< 1297987209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: C kind of lets you pop things too. < 1297987220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sort of. < 1297987225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait < 1297987225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*:C):C < 1297987226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1297987227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore me < 1297987365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*::C):C if you want some infinite growth < 1297987495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok now write a brainfuck interpreter! with input! < 1297987505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1297987529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if it's turing complete it's possible obviously because it means it can do anything my computer can do. < 1297987534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you know anything < 1297987556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW ALL < 1297987564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why is your name mr. stupid? < 1297987571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMETIMES OPPOSITE THINGS < 1297987643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote BLAST FROM THE PAST: my name is obviously Oerja Nilsson. Sorry for fooling you all about my gender so long. oerjan, hm, sounds Scandinavian < 1297987646 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060208.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1297987680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have also mentioned that Ørja is a place name < 1297987699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw spot something you and Vorpal have in common on this page for a prize (hint: Flash): http://www.environment.gov.au/parks/kakadu/ (as for why I've even loaded that page, it seems that my bored web browsing has adopted the TV Tropes Model) < 1297987706 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :311) BLAST FROM THE PAST: my name is obviously Oerja Nilsson. Sorry for fooling you all about my gender so long. oerjan, hm, sounds Scandinavian < 1297987714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. read page, open every link in a new tab, close tab, repeat) < 1297987731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: caught me off guard when i saw it though :D < 1297987824 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297987830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you are referring to DMM < 1297987845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I can't imagine you and Vorpal have _two_ things in common < 1297987854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED < 1297987930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey since when does DMM have a blog :D < 1297987936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i thought a little bit more about :()C and it's definitely not TC: you can _never_ get below the top stack element < 1297987944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...since always? :D < 1297987953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT CLEVER OKAY. < 1297987985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what pace do you recommend i archive-binge iwc btw? i've been meaning to. < 1297988004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my usual strategy is "a hundred comics a day". that might get... tiring. < 1297988005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't used archive binge
< 1297988008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1297988010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it in the usual sense < 1297988017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1297988018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binging < 1297988018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an archive < 1297988024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what the site is named after. obviously. < 1297988043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _do_ know Archive Binge is also on the iwc site < 1297988063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. but. i am a manual man. < 1297988098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:23:04 (hm what is a "mad science webcomic"?) < 1297988098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:23:14 * AnMaster just reads user friendly < 1297988098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:23:28 for the last 5 years or so < 1297988108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while since i binged web comics, but i tend to recall it as including ignoring sleep even more than usual for a few days < 1297988109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I get mad at Vorpal I'm just going to read some old logs and be thankful that AnMaster died < 1297988130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT < 1297988157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:41 EhirD`, what? I use tor when I browse < 1297988157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if that's still true < 1297988424 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Various leftovers going to APNIC: 139, 140, 144, 150, 153, 157, 163, 171. < 1297988642 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest update: 26 778 624 addresses total available there. < 1297988761 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about 0.60 blocks after substracting 1, which means APNIC has total of something like 4.23 blocks left until final /8 policy is triggered. < 1297988811 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last 2 weeks, APNIC has blown through 0.5 blocks. < 1297989028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably, like, probably, do some, like, Statistics homework < 1297989531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with high probability indeed. < 1297989946 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297989969 0 :augur!~augur@96.231.229.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297989970 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. There are servers that exist just for AXFR of '.' and some other zones, such as 'in-addr.arpa' and 'ip6.arpa'. < 1297990809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, why is Xfce so good in most aspects and then so annoyingly bad in a few really important places. < 1297991192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So what operation did you end up using :P < 1297991201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1297991209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> (f `flip` x) `flip` y < 1297991210 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) b. (Functor f) => f (Expr -> Expr -> b) -> f b < 1297991215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1297991219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' hate caleskell < 1297991240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what operator < 1297991259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, that indeed does the right thing < 1297991300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (◻) = flip in (f ◻ x ◻ y) a b < 1297991301 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1297991301 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Show.Show a' < 1297991302 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a... < 1297991304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x < 1297991306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (◻) = flip in (f ◻ x ◻ y) a b :: Expr < 1297991308 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : f a x y b < 1297991314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that actually works :D < 1297991319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^ < 1297991381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1297991431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that square is a bit ugly though. < 1297991432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least here. < 1297991446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (◌) = flip in (f ◌ x ◌ y) a b :: Expr < 1297991448 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : f a x y b < 1297991450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: PLEASE FILL IN THE BLANKS < 1297991462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (◌) = flip in ((f ◌ x ◌ y) ◌) :: Expr < 1297991463 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `SimpleReflect.Expr' < 1297991463 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred ... < 1297991467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (◌) = flip in ((f ◌ x ◌ y) ◌) < 1297991468 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> f b) < 1297991469 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1297991471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let (◌) = flip in ((f ◌ x ◌ y) ◌) < 1297991472 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1297991475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh :D < 1297991476 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297991569 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297992098 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear asexuals of the world: *mention you're asexual before the second date kthx*. < 1297992147 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1297992161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and Sgeo get a discussion room < 1297992171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's an important difference < 1297992172 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not asexual.
< 1297992173 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many have a second date without mentioning? < 1297992176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lol'd at what pikhq_ just said < 1297992186 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not expect it to happen much < 1297992188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never lol at what Sgeo says, i just stare at my irc window sadly < 1297992210 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And what font size is your IRC window supposed to be ??????????????????????????????? < 1297992218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1297992250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am lolling at ellipsises < 1297992254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is scary < 1297992265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an elliptic response < 1297992383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Jews of the world: *mention you're Jewish before the second date kthx*. < 1297992385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ -- ANTISEMITE? < 1297992434 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW: First currently actually allocated for use unicast IPv4 address: 1.9.1. For IPv6, that address would be 2001:200::1 < 1297992444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, should abstinence-only people mention the abstinence thing before the second date too? When does that sort of thing come out? < 1297992536 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably they should mention. If they have a second date yes they should mention before second date < 1297992581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some reason to believe KT-AT may be abstinence-only, but I'm not certain < 1297992745 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last addresses are 223.255.251.254 (by APNIC) and 2C0F:FFF8:0010:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF (by AFRINIC). Both of those first addresses were by APNIC. < 1297992830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does c2bf still work? < 1297992841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, it broke." < 1297992939 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good/bad thing about abstinence-only people is that if/when they finally "break down", the result could very well be you know what. :-/ < 1297992949 0 :iconmaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1297992952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: DEATH??? < 1297993046 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a new birth in about 9 months? < 1297993088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if you want to be LOGICAL about it. < 1297993098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm fairly sure being logical about things is a bannable offence here. oerjan? < 1297993112 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1297993188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WOULD BE ILLOGICAL < 1297993194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH IS WHY IT'S THE POLICY < 1297993217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY INTUITIVE < 1297993258 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you consider nothing-only people? < 1297993276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: DID YOU < 1297993329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEVER CONSIDER NOTHING ONLY < 1297993337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bracist < 1297993346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1297993348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH < 1297993350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HEARD ME < 1297993351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JEWMEISTER < 1297993374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiously, i am not aware of any jewish ancestry < 1297993388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh suuure < 1297993398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of minorities, sami would be more likely, but i cannot recall hearing about that either < 1297993408 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe mention the variant of Underload in the wiki. < 1297993419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan hasn't done enough interesting things with it for that yet :D < 1297993427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1297993439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: C2BF never worked :P < 1297993454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But I'm reading me writing malloc in it in the logs and you saying that it is NOT AVAILABLE ANYWHERREEE < 1297993469 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1297993470 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammitt I wish Amazon was like Google < 1297993481 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to search for books with this in the title that were published before 2000 < 1297993497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's plenty of woo books about this subject, but I'm looking for one specific woo book < 1297993557 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://9gag.com/gag/78952/ lollercopters < 1297993581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe they changed the title since I've read it < 1297993588 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This chapter list looks very familiar < 1297993596 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember some of the stories < 1297993621 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including one bit of testimony from a guy who should have won a Darwin award < 1297993794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Eh? < 1297993988 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1297994035 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often do you think the "mail" command and "write" command is used in UNIX systems now? < 1297994073 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297994917 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Approximately once every never. < 1297994938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used mail < 1297994949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write though... never :P < 1297994950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1297994953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i used it to bug cpressey once. < 1297994962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did i just use wall. < 1297995025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1297995037 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1297995059 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297995063 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :139 ++++++++++[>++++>+++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>>++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++..+++.<++++.>>++.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+.>. [329] < 1297995068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol terrible < 1297995069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Let's just say that having little interest in a romantic relationship is a bit of a dealbreaker for a romantic relationship. < 1297995082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: asexual != aromantic < 1297995083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthxbai < 1297995089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: She is also aromantic. < 1297995096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...and she's... going out on dates? < 1297995101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does she just like to torture people? < 1297995112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was her first! < 1297995127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Your last line, it is unparseable. < 1297995137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was her first date. Ever. < 1297995152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did she figure out in-between the two dates that she was aromantic or something? :-P < 1297995161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1297995166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This pikhq guy is really gross. I think I'm going to stay away from people. Forever." < 1297995168 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen te3d7pYKTdXVZbUrTpndwNgERsthIWL5 < 1297995173 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :306 +++++++++++++[>+++++++++>++++>++++++++>+++++++<<<<-]>-.>>---.<-.>-.<++++.<----.>>>--.<<++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++.>.>-.--.++++.<--.>-----.<<<++.>.<--.--.>>++.<<+++++++++.>>>-------.<+++.>---------.<<--.<----.+.>>+.>++++.<<+++++.>>+++.-----------------------.-------------------------------------------. [836] < 1297995211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needless to say, this has been a fairly awkward day. < 1297995222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Condolences on your... awkward :P < 1297995239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: This is why in Europe we just get shamans to arrange our marriages instead of going on dates. < 1297995257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While beating sticks and rocks together and wearing insufficient clothing to count as civilised. < 1297995351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1297995361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Empire State Building was built with a zeppelin dock. < 1297995367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1297995370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING < 1297995378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ephemeralnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/empirestatebuilding1.jpg < 1297995397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK, SOMEBODY BUY A ZEPPELIN. < 1297995408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I like how it looks tiny in that picture :P < 1297995465 0 :MickyBo87!~mickybo87@unaffiliated/mickybo87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297995934 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ... < 1297995940 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't get off a Zeppelin from ... the front tip ... < 1297995949 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At FreeGeek I use the "mail" command (I even have it in my login script). I also used "write" once there. I also use "dc" there whenever I want to make a quick calculation. < 1297995963 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use dc now and then. < 1297995976 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like dc < 1297996034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ghci as my calculator :P < 1297996067 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have Ubuntu but I only use the command shell for everything (except Redmine, since that won't work with the command shell). It is often useful to load multiple tabs for the command shell. < 1297996088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't redmine a bug tracker thing < 1297996117 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes it is. That is what they use there for bug tracker and feature tracking. < 1297996155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use w3m or links in the command shell to access redmine. < 1297996217 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first time you log in requires your name and email. The name is in the account list anyways though, but I still had to fill it in. I filled in "black@yew" for email but it wouldn't accept that so the system administrator told me to add ".shop.lan" afterward and it accepted that. However I don't use the email of that anyways, so it doesn't matter what is typed there. < 1297996277 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also put "echo fortune | nc -q -1 zzo38computer.cjb.net 70" into my login script as well. < 1297996313 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do not have a local copy of "fortune" < 1297996345 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I cannot figure out is how to make it start the Terminal window maximized. Do you know how? < 1297996352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why start X11? < 1297996358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need it if you only want to use the shell < 1297996364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use Ctrl+Alt+F1 < 1297996368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(up to F6 is generally available) < 1297996373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so you can use multiple terminals) < 1297996378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this uses the PC's console < 1297996390 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I cannot do that if I push Ctrl+Alt+F1 I cannot login there. It is LTSP and you cannot login LTSP in that way. < 1297996403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LTSP? < 1297996407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. lame :P < 1297996463 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does work is to login to fg-utility and then install secure shell and connect that way. < 1297996512 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 clearly attends the Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philidelphia < 1297996516 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297996525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, zzo38 is Lutheran < 1297996543 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1297996547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1297996556 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fg-utility is loaded from the network and then runs locally with a temporary filesystem. < 1297996570 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am not Lutheran, actually. And I do not attend that seminary either. < 1297996572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Note: He is not actually] < 1297996572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: ok? < 1297996578 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok?? < 1297996583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok < 1297996587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is totally Lutheran < 1297996588 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1297996590 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1297996635 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No I am not Lutheran, actually. < 1297996639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove it < 1297996703 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to prove it? < 1297996753 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True or false: What is the bus driver's name? < 1297996764 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floyd < 1297996765 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :False. < 1297996769 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :False McKinnelly. < 1297996778 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :True or false: What is the bus driver's name? | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1297996798 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK. Where is the bus going? < 1297996803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: True. < 1297996804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, Arizona. < 1297996821 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1297996823 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know. < 1297996851 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And knowing is half the action figure doll! < 1297996886 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I prove not to be Lutheran? < 1297996935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossibly. < 1297997156 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fine. I am agnostic. < 1297997185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaw, I prefer atheism. < 1297997193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do prayers to Athe, the God of No God. < 1297997206 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is OK. You can be atheism if that is what you like to be. < 1297997222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much better than Agnos, the God Devoid of All Knowledge. < 1297997299 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people is atheist and some agnostic, and some more religious people. Even some scientists are religious, which is OK, but you still have to remember, assuming God exists is not how you are supposed to do science! < 1297997317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atëism < 1297997337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:38:30 Here's a simple program that outputs 2^(2^65536) bytes. Add another '+' to the start and it will output 2^(2^(2^65536)) bytes, and so on. < 1297997337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:38:44 +++++++[>>+<[>[>+<-]>[<++>-]<<-]>[<+>-]<<-]>[.-] < 1297997337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:41:07 (Naturally, this assumes integer cells as in ihope's challenge. And it's way too tidy to be the best answer for this length.) < 1297997337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1297997345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should resurrect that competition < 1297997360 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it different language that you put two dots for atheistm? < 1297997360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Some people is atheist and some agnostic, and some more religious people. Even some scientists are religious, which is OK, but you still have to remember, assuming God exists is not how you are supposed to do science! < 1297997371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheistm? saying that is against my religion < 1297997386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooh, this almond soda is spectacular! < 1297997396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...O_O < 1297997398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Send me some. < 1297997405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread that as secular < 1297997411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no. it's a pun. < 1297997427 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What pun is that? Is it a pun in a different language? < 1297997440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor oerjan < 1297997446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you don't have any soda that believes in God? < 1297997451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At%C3%AB < 1297997452 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any secular almond soda? < 1297997458 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soda is incapable of such beliefs. < 1297997459 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1297997461 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :311) Some people is atheist and some agnostic, and some more religious people. Even some scientists are religious, which is OK, but you still have to remember, assuming God exists is not how you are supposed to do science! < 1297997485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I WANT ALMOND OSLDEORIJSH < 1297997494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does it taste like liquid marzipan oh god < 1297997497 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297997528 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is the Greek gods. And it is the ruin, folly, delusion, action performed by hero. Now I know! < 1297997603 0 :MickyBo87!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1297997611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297997613 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-244-71.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297997851 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1989-08-09/ < 1297998682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> a -> Bool < 1297998683 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (<) :: Ord a => a -> a -> Bool < 1297998683 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (<=) :: Ord a => a -> a -> Bool < 1297998683 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (>) :: Ord a => a -> a -> Bool < 1297998701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what's that unsafe ghc thing to decide if two objs have the same memory location :p < 1297998791 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dunno. < 1297999058 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still WTF'ing at tday.
< 1297999060 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today, even. < 1297999101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> a -> IO Bool < 1297999101 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Concurrent.MVar tryPutMVar :: MVar a -> a -> IO Bool < 1297999102 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.HashTable update :: HashTable key val -> key -> val -> IO Bool < 1297999102 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Concurrent.MVar swapMVar :: MVar a -> a -> IO a < 1297999127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @elite @read @run wordsWise (map reverse) @show @keal < 1297999128 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse < 1297999133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @read @elite @run wordsWise (map reverse) @show @keal < 1297999134 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse < 1297999141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your code sample of ages ago no longer works. < 1297999151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum? < 1297999160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:14:02 @@ @read @elite @run wordsWise (map reverse) @show @keal < 1297999160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:14:15 * oerjan runs after Wong with an axe < 1297999160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:15:06 Does that make sense? < 1297999160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:15:26 actually i switched @read and @elite < 1297999160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:15:35 as for the output, certainly not :D < 1297999163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:20:07 Plugin `compose' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse < 1297999165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:20:35 Oh, swapping them yields sense. < 1297999166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:21:07 yeah, @read needs a well-formed "string" < 1297999169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:21:18 which @elite certainly does not give < 1297999171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:21:34 So it grabs a Keal quote, reverses every word, and leets the thing? < 1297999173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:21:40 yep < 1297999174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not -> IO Bool < 1297999176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's -> Bool < 1297999178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it ends with a #, so all bets are off) < 1297999186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'd expect wordswise needs a definition < 1297999193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wordsWise < 1297999211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let wordsWise f = unwords . f . words < 1297999213 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1297999214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @elite @read @run wordsWise (map reverse) @show @keal < 1297999216 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |13xs4H 5Y4\/\/lA dIA5 deNiph3dNu < 1297999218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @elite @read @run wordsWise (map reverse) @show @keal < 1297999220 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : y||Autca TI guB ni h+a/\/\ < 1297999221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: very well then < 1297999222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @elite @read @run wordsWise (map reverse) @show @keal < 1297999224 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse < 1297999227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail :D < 1297999535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be some trouble for some particular quotes, i vaguely recall < 1297999535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe very long ones, losing the final " on the string < 1297999535 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297999535 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1297999539 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1297999539 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1297999685 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297999700 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-62.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297999764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, still WTF'ing. < 1297999823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can stop WTFing now. < 1297999828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't _that_ much of a WTF :P < 1297999944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BAH < 1297999958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I WILL WTF AT ANYTHING I FEEL LIKE AS LONG AS I FEEL LIKE. < 1297999968 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/WT// < 1297999969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall, in fact, WTF at the letters WTF now. < 1297999970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH < 1297999990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Someone's watched Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann recently, eh? :P < 1297999991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :world tapdancing foundation < 1298000003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1298000005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a meme :P < 1298000008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a 4chan meme... < 1298000014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's lyrics. < 1298000014 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :World Tapdancing FEDERATION < 1298000020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MUST < 1298000020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BE < 1298000021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESTABLISHED < 1298000028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: O KAY < 1298000031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be as ridiculous as professional wrestling. < 1298000038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about: tapdancing so hard the other guy just FALLS OEVR. < 1298000040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*OVER. < 1298000118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: From the song "ラップは漢の魂だ! 無理を通して道理を蹴っ飛ばす! 俺たち大グレン団のテーマを耳の穴かっぽじってよ~く聴きやがれ!!" from the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann soundtrack. < 1298000135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That title... < 1298000139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO THE JAPANESE HAVE NO SENSE OF SCALE < 1298000142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Rap is a Man's Soul! We Kick Reason to the Curb to Make the Impossible Possible! Open up Your Ears and Listen to Our Team Dai-Gurren Theme!!") < 1298000147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...evidently not < 1298000150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, the series has no sense of scale. < 1298000175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mecha anime. That doesn't take itself even slightly seriously. < 1298000193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ends with a mech orders of magnitude larger than galaxies. < 1298000243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that the mecha-anime-that-doesn't-take-itself-even-slightly-seriously market was completely covered for the next hundred years by FLCL :P < 1298000258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Gainax decided to outdo themselves. < 1298000287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how the popup notification displays the characters correctly, but the XChat window doens't < 1298000302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know what we got wrong last time? Yeah, SEVERAL SENTENCES were semi-coherent." < 1298000304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We should fix that!" < 1298000316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's entirely coherent. < 1298000327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't help. < 1298000331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Gainax the one that made Neon Genesis Evangelion? < 1298000334 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1298000339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1298000363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we just forget Evangelion exists and/or ever existed? < 1298000377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't seen the movies < 1298000393 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the what's her name movie < 1298000401 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suzumiya Haruhi < 1298000401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a limit to the amount of pseudo-intellectual Christian symbolism wankery I can handle, and nobody's shut up yet. < 1298000425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angels as evil.. um < 1298000440 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're taking the symbols and making them not symbolic of anything, as far as I'm concerned < 1298000452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, almost any Christian symbolism coming out of Japan is going to be bizarre, psuedo-intellectual wankery. < 1298000454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But, duuuude. < 1298000456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's < 1298000456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1298000457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1298000457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1298000459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaningful < 1298000459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1298000460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1298000462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my < 1298000464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1298000466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1298000468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best < 1298000470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work < 1298000472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of < 1298000472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with Japan having negative understanding of the tenants. < 1298000474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiction < 1298000476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in < 1298000478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1298000482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entire < 1298000484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1298000486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universe < 1298000551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:50:25 Of course, figuring out roundabouts AT ALL was still pretty tough :P < 1298000553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha Gregor is stupid < 1298000565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're simple, you go around and around and around and around and when you get so dizzy you're gonna vomit, turn randomly < 1298000569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat until you end up where you want to be or die < 1298000578 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE FUCKING ROUNDABOUTS OF ROUNDABOUTS < 1298000583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY IN SWINDON < 1298000600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Beats the US model, i.e. LET'S PILE ROADS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER < 1298000623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: Well, almost any Christian symbolism coming out of Japan is going to be bizarre, psuedo-intellectual wankery. <-- i guess they are treating it about like we treat greek or norse mythology... < 1298000629 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Worse. < 1298000634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [butthurt about norse mythology] < 1298000641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : im a viking < 1298000646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a meaningful viking < 1298000652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : im "in tune" with my viking ancestry < 1298000682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only added "norse" as an afterthought, actually... < 1298000690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We're at least likely to be aware of what the Greek and Norse gods *stand for*. < 1298000698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i was into norse mythology < 1298000701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : before it was cool. < 1298000711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Japan sometimes has Satan as a force of good. < 1298000719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Hell if I know. < 1298000719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, so does Norway < 1298000725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _did_ have a norse mythology book as a child, i think < 1298000732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i dunno, satan sounds like a chiller guy than god :D < 1298000739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Shin Megami Tensei. Where the final boss is God. < 1298000744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he killed way less people in the bible. also, as has been scientifically proven, hell is colder than heaven < 1298000762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: accommodates all the cool people in hell. < 1298000765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sounds like one of the storylines in my head! < 1298000773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is way more metal. see: horns. < 1298000780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not quite < 1298000785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, man. Jesus is pretty fucking metal. < 1298000821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WELL THEN MAYBE JESUS AND SATAN SHOULD TEAM UP. < 1298000824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a fucking party. < 1298000827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORM A FUCKING BAND < 1298000837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU THINK OF ANY DOWNSIDE TO THIS IDEA < 1298000878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously, Japanese depictions of things related to Christianity tend to completely omit Jesus. < 1298000894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, the one thing really seperating Christianity from a sect of Judaism. < 1298000906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, from being a. < 1298001057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I dunno, man. Jesus is pretty fucking metal. <-- a mecha adonis, you mean? < 1298001086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should ban oerjan . < 1298001088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oerjan. < 1298001108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walk -> < 1298001128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION declares that Deus Est Machina need be more common.
< 1298001148 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1298001259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1298001263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to make a road system < 1298001266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based entirely around roundabouts < 1298001267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of roundabouts < 1298001269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no straights < 1298001271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHAT DO YOU THINK < 1298001366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel discriminated against! < 1298001375 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need hover cars. < 1298001621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to end use of cars in the US. < 1298001641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step one: relocate most of the continent. < 1298001658 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case anyone hasn't noticed, the Watson crew are feeling questions in r/IAmA right now < 1298001667 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fielding < 1298001670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone sane in the US needs to get out of the US so that we can all forget the US exists :P < 1298001683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then nuke it. < 1298001688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the US's own nukes. < 1298001746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an excellent plan for making the nice parts of the US happy and the bad parts ignorable, but it involves Cascadia, mass migration to several countries, taking over the UK, and requesting that the European Union do something absolutely ridiculous. < 1298001751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I really did work it out.) < 1298001778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "something ridiculous" is? < 1298001791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Admit a country that is quite plainly not in Europe. < 1298001814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Membership in the EU in no way requires being in Europe. < 1298001830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (The idea was to invade some random European country that nobody cares much about -- say Italy -- whereby invade I mean "everyone migrates there, forms the Invasion Party, and votes for it" -- and then use that EU position to lobby for Canadia's interests.) < 1298001844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the official opinion of the European Council, in fact. < 1298001852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadia being the result of Cascadia joining with Canada to form the Canadian and Cascadian Union, AKA Canadia. < 1298001855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WELL THAT SIMPLIFIES THINGS. < 1298001894 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to be European < 1298001896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (At the very end, Canadia manages to semi-accidentally adopt the UK's royal family, thus inverting the Commonwealth X-D) < 1298001902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By taking over the UK.) < 1298001904 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what is r/IAmA? < 1298001917 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/ < 1298001927 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1298001945 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow I'm flying out of Toronto to Denver; I'm going to ask why I have to go through customs < 1298001952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denver, eh? < 1298002000 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the same country as Toronto, right? < 1298002045 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually explained how it made that mistake today at the lecture < 1298002053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mistake < 1298002073 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it was discussed to length at the math society < 1298002081 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watson was confident that it was supposed to be looking for a city in the U.S., and it found evidence both that Toronto was a city, and a U.S. entity. < 1298002085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To join the EU, a nation must be European *in the judgement of the European Council*. < 1298002093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: X-D < 1298002096 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not enough for it to be sure it was a U.S. city < 1298002101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This has been interpreted to mean "culturally European". < 1298002104 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence all the question marks < 1298002113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What the fuck does culturally European mean X-D < 1298002122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Did it answer "Toronto???????????????????????????"? < 1298002125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know, ask the European Council. < 1298002129 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1298002132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: :D < 1298002133 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with a very low wager < 1298002136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why didn't i watch this < 1298002143 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DUNNO??????????????????????????? < 1298002151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: could it not find something that was definitely a U.S. city? < 1298002157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like the kind of information that would always be included... < 1298002161 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298002189 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: chicago was actually it's second highest rated choice, but it couldn't prove that was a U.S. city either :P < 1298002192 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: honestly, I am glad the EU doesn't require actually europeanness < 1298002194 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1298002196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :D < 1298002202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And the thing is, this *actually matters*. < 1298002286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyprus, an EU member state, is in Asia. < 1298002317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it's closer to the Middle East than anything else. < 1298002440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow :P < 1298002519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention it's been suggested Israel could join if they, y'know, stop with the apartheid. < 1298002577 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada 4 EU < 1298002595 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced "CANADA FOR YOU!") < 1298002649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada for ewwwww. < 1298002660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, before 1992 there were no formal requirements for EU membership. < 1298002722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, so it *technically* wasn't the EU until then, but the same damned institutions have existed since the 50s in some form.) < 1298002789 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if any modern entity goes on to be a world government, it will be the EU < 1298002821 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the UN does not count as a world government) < 1298002838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the UN completely reforms itself, that seems quite likely. < 1298002869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying the EU necessarily will do - I doubt it will. But definitely has the best shot out of anything that currently exists. < 1298002908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few other such things that technically *could*. < 1298002921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But aside from the Commonwealth and the EU, none of them matter at all. < 1298002949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The African Union would if Africa didn't suck so bad. :P < 1298002960 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Commonwealth isn't really governmental < 1298002960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :World government, sounds like a GREAT idea :P < 1298002970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's vaguely close. < 1298002976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being loose here. :P < 1298002989 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be if people really watned < 1298002990 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wanted < 1298002999 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's moving away from unity, not towards it < 1298003010 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the African Union might if Africa wasn't broken < 1298003016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's gotten a few new members. < 1298003050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is no requirement that members be a former British colony. At all.) < 1298003106 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the only requirement the Queen? < 1298003111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1298003131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only some Commonwealth nations are monarchies. < 1298003148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur mom is a monarchy < 1298003151 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, neat < 1298003162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The requirement is saying "Yeah, I guess the commonwealth is pretty cool." < 1298003180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And the Commonwealth saying "Yeah, I guess that country is pretty cool." < 1298003195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Though, of course, membership does require some acknowledgement of the UK throne. After all, Her Majesty is Head of the Commonwealth. < 1298003217 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1298003284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : We cool? < 1298003287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : We cool. < 1298003297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this role, though, is entirely distinct from any nobility, except by the "coincidence" that it's a hereditary position that started with King George VI, and has the same rules of ascension as the throne.) < 1298003375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTTER COINCIDENCE < 1298003461 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to use TeX formats invented by Christians, use Plain TeX. However, I do not think the religion of its author is a good way to decide what to use. I decide to use Plain TeX for its own reasons. < 1298003473 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol < 1298003481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wat < 1298003487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh. < 1298003498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: was that in reference to the line above the line you made. < 1298003502 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the thing before the last thing you said before I said the last thing I said :P < 1298003509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote If you want to use TeX formats invented by Christians, use Plain TeX. However, I do not think the religion of its author is a good way to decide what to use. I decide to use Plain TeX for its own reasons. < 1298003511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wat < 1298003537 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :312) If you want to use TeX formats invented by Christians, use Plain TeX. However, I do not think the religion of its author is a good way to decide what to use. I decide to use Plain TeX for its own reasons. < 1298003538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Exactly. < 1298003549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're not secretly zzo38, by any chance? < 1298003632 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1298003633 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :197) (I've just been playing with myself.) < 1298003634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, pray tell, do I find the trappings of nobility so fascinating? < 1298003657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spite of finding nobility itself a horribly outmoded concept? < 1298003694 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of the opinion that a constitutional monarchy is a very sane system of government < 1298003704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because everyone on IRC has to feel special SOMEHOW :P < 1298003717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NO I DON'T. BECAUSE I'M SPECIAL. < 1298003721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :P < 1298003726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh? < 1298003734 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by investing the reserve power in someone who can lose nothing but face by exercising them, it keeps them from being abused < 1298003757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single advantage of monarchy is that if you don't have it, you get the same worship directed to the upper class and politicians. < 1298003771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is... very little argument. < 1298003784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What coppro said makes no sense; there is no need for power that should never be used to exist. < 1298003803 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you sure? < 1298003809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What? < 1298003826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And a monarchy is pretty much always in the limelight, giving them little incentive to do things that are remarkably stupid. < 1298003840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, monarch? < 1298003840 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1298003885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a hell of a lot easier to respect the nobles of the UK than the more-notorious members of the US upper class, simply by merit of them having *done things worthy of respect*. < 1298003913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And easier still with Japanese nobility, as many of them are published scientists. < 1298003916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1298003929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This debate is rather stillborn as coppro can't see anything I say. < 1298003933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll step out. < 1298004012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Y'know, in the few cases that a monarch in, say, the UK could exercise the reserve power, so could an elected figure. < 1298004016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Even if the law didn't say so. < 1298004036 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ yes, but they would be more subject to political pressure < 1298004045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Because, quite obviously, the public would be so in support of it that they wouldn't *give a fuck* about what the legal system says. < 1298004095 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There was a case recently in canada where we came close here < 1298004095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I guess I'd call a constitutional monarchy "ultimately not worth objecting to much". < 1298004123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monarch as a mere symbol of the state? Just... Straight-up doesn't matter that much. < 1298004130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit extraneous, perhaps, but meh. Whatever. < 1298004136 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1298004172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the UK's particular implementation is all sorts of nuts. :P < 1298004179 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1298004194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Queen's power is mostly limited by tradition! < 1298004339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firefox 4 is code-named Tumucumaque, after the world's largest rainforest park." < 1298004348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, that's gonna be a mouthful in Linux title bars. < 1298004362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to set your default browser to Tumucumaque? < 1298004371 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1298004372 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :102) Sgeo_: Gregorr: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename. < 1298004454 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any shogi variants? < 1298004947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to bed in like two seconds. < 1298004972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Chess. < 1298004980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh snap. < 1298005009 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean others played like shogi, but different. < 1298005022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess. < 1298005039 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I do not like in chess is the tall pieces, I prefer the flat pieces like Xiangqi and Shogi uses. < 1298005058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tic-tac-toe. < 1298005067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like shogi, but _very_ different. < 1298005093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1298005100 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you design a game a cross between shogi and tic-tac-toe? < 1298005110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's called shogi-tac-toe. < 1298005116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You play a game of shogi and a game of tic-tac-toe simultaneously. < 1298005118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever wins one, wins. < 1298005127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any quests or questions? < 1298005170 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But tic-tac-toe will end much sooner? And probably ties anyways. So then it is like shogi. Isn't it? < 1298005191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1298005193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like shogi, but different. < 1298005194 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, if you tie, does the entire game end in a tie, or do you continue playing shogi until someone wins at shogi? < 1298005195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a cross. < 1298005197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO I DID WHAT YOU SAID < 1298005199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Continue playing. < 1298005206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If both tie, both contestants must commit suicide. < 1298005272 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298005294 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By putting on your tie too tight? Or in what way? < 1298005386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What do YOU think? < 1298005438 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think that unless you specifically want to commit suicide, you won't actually do so because instead you will agree not to. < 1298005623 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298005632 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298005632 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1298006185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298006223 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have now finally finished two files, "texnicard.w" and "texnicard_format.tex". Now I just have to finish "plain.cards" as well. < 1298007122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: what pace do you recommend i archive-binge iwc btw? i've been meaning to. <-- divide in 7. Spread it out over a single week < 1298007149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1298007168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wonder if that's still true <-- no, not generally < 1298007209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that seems rather higher than the hundred comics a day he mentioned as too excessive < 1298007227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : with high probability indeed. <-- for a good pun in that context you would need something about statistical significance. < 1298007239 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033089.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1298007251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh I missed that bit < 1298007279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. that would give about 30 days < 1298007287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I read iwc back then spread out over like two nights < 1298007297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was summer holidays though I think < 1298007310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is of course significantly longer < 1298007315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowdays < 1298007417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i started in autumn 2006 when ther were only around 1300 comics < 1298007429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there < 1298007444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's soon about to pass the 3000 mark < 1298007635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Bughouse chess. < 1298007698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl university < 1298008456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1298009881 0 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298009895 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1298009897 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Lymia < 1298009898 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298009898 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1298011114 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1298011204 0 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298011328 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1298011329 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Lymia < 1298011330 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298011330 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1298011484 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298015999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1298016000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1298016581 0 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298016590 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1298016591 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Lymia < 1298016592 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298016592 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1298018150 0 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298018271 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1298018272 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Lymia < 1298018272 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298018272 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1298019213 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1298021933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/ejsoutTapeMap.js + http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/egojsout.js.patch.txt -- you get to integrate(tm) it in better if you want to have it. Since the tape-map is a collected thing over all tape lengths and polarities, I didn't put it in with the debugFunctions thing but instead spliced the statistics-collecting in directly. < 1298022029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/ejstape.png since I just plonked the canvas in wherever it happened to go. < 1298022107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log-scaling the colors might look interesting too, currently it's often quite a "binary" output. < 1298022123 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not the most easiest thing ever to read. < 1298022197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My blue/red colors are the opposite of the animations, also; the red parts are where the left program spent time. < 1298027068 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298027083 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230230115.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1298033643 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1298033673 0 :Lymia!~moe@adsl-68-95-252-93.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298034480 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298034637 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230228071.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1298034806 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1298034852 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the white parts the average decoy heights? < 1298035468 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I predict a whole new game: trying to form pretty pictures in the tapemap :P < 1298035759 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1298036118 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh. crsc.nist.gov is slow as molasses. And it isn't IPv6 messing things up (I checked the DNS records, it only has A, NSEC and RRSIG records, no AAAA so no IPv6 connection attempts). < 1298037030 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298037186 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a catbus where you can arbitrarily specify the flow of input and output < 1298037226 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every program talking to every program is probably good enough < 1298037427 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298037442 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298037500 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181128142.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1298038122 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298038353 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1298038677 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1298038689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Here's a good name for the latter utility, sure to gain popular approval: "incest pipe". < 1298038995 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1298039401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm still working on defend9.75 < 1298039416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it to beat interior_crocodile_alligator (closely) last night, which is something I didn't even realise was possible < 1298039605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm testing it against the current hill now < 1298039626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of slow, as the current version takes over 30 thousand cycles to beat some programs < 1298039837 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Creeping up to tying by cycle limit :P < 1298039845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, those bfjsout animations for the strategy page demos. Which is the program they compete against? < 1298039855 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere on the page < 1298039868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's "simple", it's not a very good program < 1298039876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's designed to be beaten in as many different ways as is possible < 1298039879 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the golf hill should be 320 characters, 10K cycles >: ) < 1298039884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to demonstrate opposing strategies < 1298039902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm. it does manage to beat shudders iirc < 1298039903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: note that the extraordinary long length was a result of trying to make it fit into egobot < 1298039908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a tape cell as a counter rather than () < 1298039917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not always, it depends on tape length < 1298039920 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :320 chars is plenty, allegro is less than half of that < 1298039924 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 'twas an independent thought. < 1298039924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, maybe it should be mentioned somewhere on that page. If it really is missing < 1298039933 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you meant expanded < 1298039936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is the tape length random or given in the link? < 1298039943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the page is a list of notable programs < 1298039952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tape length is given in the link; it defaults to 25 on sieve polarity < 1298039972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes we change it to make sure simple loses < 1298040012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 320 chars is plenty, allegro is less than half of that <-- You obviously don't mean that the library allegro is less than that, so which allegro do you mean? < 1298040021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most hilarious defend9.75 result at the moment is the timeout tie against space elevator at one polarity < 1298040029 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think I mean in the context of bfjoust < 1298040040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is "sieve polarity" ++ or +- ? < 1298040044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was a result of being too slow; looking into it, what happens is that they both end up trying to clear the same nonzero cells in the same direction at different speeds < 1298040048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that it never hits 0 < 1298040050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's ++ < 1298040119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm curious as to why you call ++ "sieve polarity"... And I also wonder what you would name +- < 1298040131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're elliott's names < 1298040135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he names +- "kettle" < 1298040163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea as to why he selected those? < 1298040175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1298040240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Looks like http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/ejstape.png since I just plonked the canvas in wherever it happened to go. <-- the "imagey" bit in that screenshot looks like some sort of procedurally generated pixel art from a demo from the 8-bit era. < 1298040276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did you see the http://zem.fi/~fis/tapestats_all.png version? < 1298040286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. *checks* < 1298040292 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@cci-209150237034.clarityconnect.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298040315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 1) you should make an animation out of these frames. 2) pretty, what does it mean? < 1298040346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you would need frames in between though to make it smoother < 1298040360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an explanation somewhere in the logs, but basically it's tape locations colorized by the amount of time the tape pointer has spent there. < 1298040377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fizzie to think of such a thing. < 1298040378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue for right program, red for left; and one side of the image for normal polarity, the other for reversed. < 1298040412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a larger picture somewhere. < 1298040413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is interesting how often they are fairly symmetric still. < 1298040421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/tapestats2.png < 1298040425 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033089.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1298040426 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one has labels and all. < 1298040430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you'd expect that, if it ever got very asymmetric likely one program would win soon after < 1298040433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in rush vs. defence < 1298040453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I meant around the y axis < 1298040483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as in, they are fairly symmetric when polarity is reversed < 1298040484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the tapes are oriented so that the centermost pixel is always the opponent's flag. < 1298040516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: most programs aren't particularly polarity-sensitive < 1298040522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1298040539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the days where polarity reversal made a huge difference are mostly long gone < 1298040544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also you mirrored the image between the polarities right? Or why else is it a diamond shape < 1298040545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it happens sometimes, especially with the program I'm working on atm < 1298040554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is much more reliable on one polarity than the other < 1298040601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's flipped for the other side, to make the center line always the flag. < 1298040617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm you can use unpredictable zeroing patterns to counter stuff like vibrators and shudders right? < 1298040635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to some extent < 1298040638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wonder how well an unpredictable shudder pattern would do. < 1298040643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very badly < 1298040650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how comes? < 1298040674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the opponent is immune to being tricked off the tape, like most are nowadays (apart from turtles), it'd simply increase the chance you'd lose by chance < 1298040686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compare good shudder and good antishudder patterns < 1298040691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right. And why is the grey area a triangle? < 1298040693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best shudder patterns are along the lines of --+ < 1298040706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antishudder, something like -----++++++. works quite nicely < 1298040833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different Y values correspond to different tape lengths; I've just arbitrarily arranged them from 10 to 30 and then from 30 to 10 (for the other program) in that order. < 1298040854 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah I see < 1298040877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so it was just pure chance it made a nice-looking diamond shape? < 1298040878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1298040916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; it used in fact to be a hourglass shape, see http://zem.fi/~fis/tapestats.png < 1298040941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nice looking < 1298040947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but it was never a saw tooth one? < 1298040970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in anything I copied to the web. < 1298040975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also some of those tape lengths near the middle look too short. And the top ones are cut off? < 1298040987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, in which picture? < 1298040994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/tapestats2.png for example < 1298041005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the outermost lengths seem to be 2? < 1298041009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1298041010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than 9 < 1298041019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, isn't it one block per cell? < 1298041020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bottommost length is 10 for both. < 1298041032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh I read it the wrong way around XD < 1298041032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the topmost is 30 for both. < 1298041037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, rotated 90 degrees < 1298041114 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298041118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, you should do some sort of similarity graph thingy based on this "loitering time" and other parameters :P < 1298041150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in fact it might even work out well enough that it could be used to classify them like ais523 suggested some time ago < 1298041156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have that clustering thing. < 1298041161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the scores. < 1298041163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I like fizzie's clustering < 1298041169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did it work out? also link < 1298041174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/clust15.png < 1298041181 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: could you explain the tapemap? < 1298041200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty graph but what is that one < 1298041206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, how do I read it < 1298041211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colours and so on < 1298041245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "ais523_definder2"? < 1298041248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a definder? < 1298041269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definder's my program that generates flexible defence algorithms < 1298041276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1298041281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it's a dendrogram; you read it the "usual" way. The vertical bars give a distance between the two things they connect; and it just arbitrarily assigns a single color for all those blocks where the distance is below 0.7*max. < 1298041298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and definder2 was what happened when I combined such an algorithm with the concept of defend13 < 1298041302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm not familiar with dendrograms, however I will google for it < 1298041317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just what is the x axis scale though? < 1298041337 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distance. sort of. < 1298041422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it's a rather arbitrary distance measure. Basically, for two programs A and B, it's the manhattan distance between the vectors you get if you take all (N-2)*(21*2) scores they have in common against other programs, as (-1, 0, 1)-valued vectors. < 1298041444 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298041460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for two clusters, the distance is the average distance between all pairwise distances. < 1298041465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess PCA wouldn't be very helpful here? < 1298041532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're trying to work out strategies in clustering, treating win/loss/draw as all different might work better < 1298041544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as several types of programs are basically incapable of drawing < 1298041560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another thing you could do once you clustered the program is try to show which authors are similar. And possibly also how wide "spread" they have between their programs. For example impomatic's program seem to be a group on their own there. < 1298041592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It (or some other dimensionality reduction algorithms) might provide interesting-looking 2d projections; I did consider it, didn't plot anything yet. < 1298041606 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fucking tape maps: how do they work? < 1298041610 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298041658 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh, right. Well, it does ltapestats[lp]++; rtapestats[rp]++ (where lp and rp are the left/right tape pointers) on every cycle, then just scales those so that 1 = max and plots all 21*2*2 vectors. < 1298041685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/VTYQ < 1298041687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, link to those diagrams? < 1298041694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unlikely to go right to the top of the leaderboard, but it should go higher < 1298041714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you have a program that sits on the opponent's flag all the time, it'll have a direct vertical line in the middle; while a [-]-suicider will have a /\ sort of shape since it'll be on the "outermost" spot all the time. < 1298041722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which diagrams? < 1298041729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the ones quintopia mentioned < 1298041734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are those the diamonds? < 1298041781 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the center is opponent flag and the outside edge is home flag? < 1298041787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes. < 1298041788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1298041824 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you make an average decoy size as function of distance from home flag map? < 1298041943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I suspect that adding "loitering time" to the classification stuff might give interesting results. Hard to tell though. < 1298042100 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not quite sure how to detect when a program sets a decoy. Unless you just want something simple, like average over all tape values (for one location) that the programs leave there when moving away from it. < 1298042140 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: exactly. in absolute (distance from zero) size < 1298042212 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to remember to plot one later today when I get home. < 1298042225 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, how would you show when a program builds a small decoy then goes back and extends it a bit later < 1298042302 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perhaps just use the maximum size the cell reaches < 1298042434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know how to fix defend9.75 to beat the bondage girls, too < 1298042437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least some of them < 1298042500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll double it in length < 1298042509 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1298042518 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it. eoubling isn't bad < 1298042531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If I directly add "full tape maps against all shared opponents" as features, I'll get 67200-dimensional feature vectors; that might be overdoing it a bit. But I could try out (either for clustering or for separate plotting) the program's own tape-map averaged over all opponents; that might look interesting too. < 1298042539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, strange that such a thing could double it in length < 1298042569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: very large offset clears currently cause misdetections < 1298042584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have another tripwire that I can use to detect those and switch to a different tape length < 1298042594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, by defend9.75 or by Gregor's programs? < 1298042598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be some across-columns correlation for the red halves of http://zem.fi/~fis/tapestats_all.png -- and across-rows for blue -- which would make sense, since the red/blue program is always the same in each column/row. < 1298042614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: defend9.75 currently picks the wrong strategy against things using unusually large offset clears < 1298042620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1298042649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's the other way around. Hard to tell from the images, really. < 1298042668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm you could do some sort of graph to show much much it varies for different programs there < 1298042704 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1298042704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and the blue is definitely horizonal in similary for many < 1298042724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on that one row where the red program has just thin / \ stripes (indicating it never moved from its own flag) I'd say one row == same red program. < 1298042740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a corresponding blue \/ column. < 1298042753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I probably had a suicider on my hill there.) < 1298042828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, red looks like it is vertical in many other places though. Such as the one that is almost always a line in the middle with little outside < 1298042847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :column 9 (one-index) < 1298042858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, defence programs are pretty recognisable < 1298042879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full-tape clears have a pretty distinctive view < 1298042882 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1298042891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is correlation both ways; I guess some opponents manage to "force" a similar sort of behaviour. < 1298042918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah could be. Could you plot that tendency to force a behaviour somehow? Would that even be feasible. < 1298042935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can also read rule of 9 from the plots. < 1298042942 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Such as furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls? < 1298042946 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an offset clear of size 30 < 1298042946 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. def row=red and col=blue < 1298042962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yep, 30 * 3 > 85, so it's just enough to defeat me < 1298042963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what is the strategy of that one? < 1298042965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can detect that separately < 1298042978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I should call this program defend9.85, it's so focused on the number 85 < 1298042985 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's two new strategies plus a hybrid, I'll doc it on the wiki this weekend and/or tonight. < 1298042991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1298042997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_defend9_75.bfjoust vs elliott_interior_crocodile_alligator.bfjoust: >>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<< ais523_defend9_75.bfjoust wins < 1298043007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the outcome I still can't really believe, even though I know how I did it < 1298043014 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The two new strategies are deep poke (appropriate for the name) and breadcrumbs. < 1298043018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beating alligators should be nearly impossible for defend9.75 < 1298043031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, mhm < 1298043033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmm, is it a poke that skips small values? < 1298043039 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yup. < 1298043043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about that < 1298043044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does alligator do? < 1298043049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alligators* < 1298043057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changes strategy halfway through its clear < 1298043068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, doing that means that it takes a huge amount of time to move off a tape cell < 1298043070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1298043075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that confuses most previous defence programs < 1298043080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out it's detectable < 1298043132 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1298043143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I also added a brainfuck-joust-mode to esolangs.el < 1298043149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would it be a decent tactic to assume the length of the tape is, say, 11 or longer and get an advantage on the longer tapes at the expense of failing at a handful or short ones? < 1298043163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no; it used to be, but that works badly against large decoys < 1298043166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does the scoring somehow bias against such behaviour? < 1298043176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? < 1298043180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the amount you lose is equal to the amount you gain < 1298043192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you mean < 1298043218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what i meant was doing (>)*11 instead of (>)*9 or such < 1298043228 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 40.5 < 1298043231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you would lose on the short tapes there are many more long tapes < 1298043232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantage you gain on the longer tapes if, say, you abandon length 10, only works on a number of tape elements equal to the nubmber you skip < 1298043235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, only 40.5? < 1298043247 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1298043247 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It went down from the previous < 1298043267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 | + + + + + - 0 + - + + + + + - + + + + + - + + - - + - + + + + - - - - + + + + + + + + - + - | 42.8 | 11.4 | 21 | ais523_defend9_75.bfjoust < 1298043270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 | + + + + + - - + - + + + - + + + + + + + - + + - - + + - + + + - - - - + + + + + + + + - + - | 40.5 | 10.5 | 21 | ais523_defend9_75.bfjoust < 1298043284 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet < 1298043290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why did it use to be a good tactic though? < 1298043301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because decoys were small and the length of trails mattered < 1298043305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays, though, people don't use trails < 1298043306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1298043329 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1298043338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I can't do this fix after all, it'll kill egojoust < 1298043339 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but for a fast rush style program that would give less time for the opponent to set up a large decoy though < 1298043367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 cycle? < 1298043378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only going to help on 1 tape length < 1298043387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1298043489 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1298044140 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust huzzah ((-)*256(+)*256)*-1 < 1298044168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I keep trying this stupid crap :P < 1298044227 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll do no better than any shudder... < 1298044244 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might draw more often maybe < 1298044321 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298044418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor_huzzah.bfjoust vs Gregor_return_of_ehird_defend8mwahahaha.bfjoust: < 1298044418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<><><><><><><><><><>< <><><><><><><><><><>< <><><><><><><><><><>< <><><><><><><><><><>< < 1298044418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor_huzzah.bfjoust wins < 1298044419 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk < 1298044436 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1298044498 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_huzzah: 11.1 < 1298044512 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1298044538 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good as good_vibrations was < 1298044547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shock* < 1298044572 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-189.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298044589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, my strapon pegging girls are so good at the deep poke. < 1298044595 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1298044601 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEEP poke. < 1298044606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sorry, just thinking about something else. < 1298044642 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I foresee an arms race exactly like the current offset-vs-decoy arms race, but one level indirected into deep poke. < 1298044746 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't be surprised. people building bigger decoys during initial rush, slowing themselves down a bit to avoid the deep poke, while poking deeper themselves < 1298044746 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Xyz < 1298044757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend9.75 has an anti-deep-poke already < 1298044762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may not be fast enough < 1298044783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually there for the purpose of beating saccharin_philip, for a mostly unrelated reason < 1298044794 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think the primary benefit of a poke is to get a little bit more room on longer tapes, and would rather see more strategy develop in the midgame < 1298044800 0 :Xyz!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zuu < 1298044809 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saccharin_philip isn't even on the board any more :P < 1298044815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think pokes are all that powerful < 1298044818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know :( < 1298044845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was brilliant back when nobody was doing it, but poke-v-poke is ineffectual :P < 1298044861 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1298044914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help at all against reverse-decoy-setup defence < 1298044919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it actually hinders < 1298045120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust decoys_are_dead_just_rush_instead (>+>-)*4(>[[-]]+>[[-]]-)*11 < 1298045146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks almost exactly like an old version of monorail < 1298045147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Prediction: faillol) < 1298045155 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1298045224 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_decoys_are_dead_just_rush_instead: 13.1 < 1298045258 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesssssssssssssssssssssssss < 1298045601 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys (>)*8(>[>>>(>[[-]])*17])*21 < 1298045617 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 7.5 < 1298045619 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be so fast that the name is true but the behavior is wrong :P < 1298045639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys (.)*256(>)*8(>[>>>(>[[-]])*17])*21 < 1298045672 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait, starting this with (>)*8 makes no sense too :P < 1298045686 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 8.1 < 1298045693 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys (.)*256(>)*4(>[>>>(>[[-]])*17])*21(>[[-]])*4 < 1298045715 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 11.0 < 1298045726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys (.)*256(>)*4(>[>>>(>[(+)*30[-]])*17])*21(>[(+)*30[-]])*4 < 1298045738 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 15.2 < 1298045767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has this inkling that the () parentheses perhaps should be optional around single characters...
< 1298045777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys (>(+)*32>(-)*32)*4(>[>>>(>[(+)*30[-]])*17])*21(>[(+)*30[-]])*4 < 1298045781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with regexps < 1298045792 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Eh, it makes parsing it a modicum easier *shrugs* < 1298045801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i realize that < 1298045806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also it lets * be a comment in any place other than after ) < 1298045813 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 28.3 < 1298045817 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well well well < 1298045881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys (>(+)*64>(-)*64)*2(>[>>>(>[(+)*30[-]])*17])*17(>[(+)*30[-]])*4 < 1298045894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i am just noticing that () around single chars seems rather common < 1298045896 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 28.1 < 1298045965 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys (>)*4(+)*64<(-)*64<(+)*64<(-)*64>>> (>[>>>(>[(+)*30[-]])*17])*17(>[(+)*30[-]])*4 < 1298046062 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 33.1 < 1298046065 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys (>->+)*2(+)*64<(-)*64<(+)*64<(-)*64>>> (>[>>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*17])*17(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298046077 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 32.2 < 1298046083 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse :P < 1298046084 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1298046167 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*64<(-)*63>>> (>[>>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*17])*17(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298046182 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, that's not quite what I wanted... < 1298046202 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 34.4 < 1298046208 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1298046218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*85<(-)*85>>> (>[>>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*17])*17(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298046237 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 28.5 < 1298046244 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yowza < 1298046249 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[>>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*17])*17(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298046257 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 39.8 < 1298046262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't think it needs to be much harder to parse. all you need is a pointer to the previous command (you may want to null that when passing comments) when hitting a *, you don't need to insert anything before the already parsed command < 1298046292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the logic could be entirely in the standalone * parsing < 1298046314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming you can peek at the previous char) < 1298046353 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[>>>(>[(+)*32[-].[[.-].[.++-------[...-]]]])*17])*17(>[(+)*32[-].[[.-].[.++-------[...-]]]])*4 < 1298046365 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 39.3 < 1298046374 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse again >_> < 1298046501 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[>>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*17])*21(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298046579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for *0, which simply resets the end of the compiled program to the previous command instead (works with literal () too) < 1298046602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*start of the previous < 1298046611 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 44.1 < 1298046617 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololololol < 1298046637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: For me it's just that I'd have to insert some artificial things into the parsed command stream, which is doable but obnoxious :P < 1298046649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys is now #7 X-D < 1298046652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_what_ artificial things? < 1298046679 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( and ). All my looping logic is in the handling of BFJ.PSTART and BFJ.PEND. < 1298046737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe your design isn't compatible with this < 1298046770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are not using actual pointers < 1298046790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are using pointers, ( can be a nop and so needs no representation < 1298046972 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[ ([+{([-{ >>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*21 }])%8}])%4 ])*21(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298046975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am thinking of imperatively parsing bfjoust more as a kind of bytecode compiling) < 1298046997 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about egojsout :P < 1298047099 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 41.2 < 1298047106 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoopsipoo :P < 1298047113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[ >>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*21 ])*21(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298047125 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 44.1 < 1298047128 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like doing a deep-poke-alike didn't do so well there. < 1298047180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well if you use javascript's functional features (note i don't really know javascript), then this should be even easier < 1298047187 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[ [+([-{ >>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*21 }])%2] ])*21(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298047195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to lay down the result in an array as you go < 1298047211 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 41.1 < 1298047214 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1298047217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels like he is trolling right now :D
< 1298047217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[ >>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*21 ])*21(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298047419 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1298047489 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033089.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1298047511 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 44.1 < 1298047511 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm the one writing ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys :P < 1298047511 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that is trolling. < 1298047512 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[ >>>(>[(+)*33[-]])*21 ])*21(>[(+)*33[-]])*4 < 1298047513 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 43.1 < 1298047589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[ >>>(>[(+)*9[-]])*21 ])*21(>[(+)*9[-]])*4 < 1298047589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Much worse) < 1298047600 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 30.1 < 1298047608 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[ >>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*21 ])*21(>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298047609 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't actually checking for four decoys you know < 1298047616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes I am. < 1298047622 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 44.1 < 1298047629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, not "checking", no. < 1298047633 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just skipping them under the assumption that they're there. < 1298047640 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are checking that the first decoy you see is at least 4 out from the flag < 1298047648 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1298047666 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that it is within 4 of the 10th cell < 1298047670 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Tweaking constants, I see! < 1298047685 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: This isn't a serious contender, it's just a troll :P < 1298047688 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try making the last 4 in the program bigger < 1298047699 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, 25 < 1298047715 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ... 4 + 21 + 4 = 29 < 1298047729 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1298047736 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it < 1298047742 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 4 + 21 + 4 > 29, so that's just running off the tape for no reason. < 1298047750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1298047754 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 + 21 + 25 > 29 :P < 1298047762 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1298047799 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your program quits if it doesn't find a nonzero value on cells 9-12 < 1298047816 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may do better by looking forward a bit < 1298047823 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, it doesn't, it looks at cells 9-29 X_X < 1298047842 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have (>[stuff])*4 < 1298047853 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe i'm misreading < 1298047861 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mah bad < 1298047867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, for if I got to a cell so far ahead, that skipping decoys guarantees me to jump off the tape. < 1298047890 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ totes English you guys < 1298047891 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1298047897 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentally matched parens wrong < 1298047899 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto < 1298047912 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the *4 wraps the whole thing < 1298047947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[ >>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*21 ])*21 YOU GUYS LOOKA THE SPACE HERE LOL (>[(+)*32[-]])*4 < 1298047965 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys: 44.1 < 1298047974 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE IT < 1298047986 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you put it there to begin with? < 1298048003 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez man, does readability mean nothing to you? < 1298048552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing that you thought it got to 7th place with a bug that glaring :P < 1298048618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_six_decoys >->(+)*37<(-)*37>>> (>[ >>>>>(>[(+)*32[-]])*21 ])*19 YOU GUYS LOOKA THE SPACE HERE LOL (>[(+)*32[-]])*6 < 1298048634 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_six_decoys: 28.6 < 1298048652 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1298048658 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.06 (1x/15+1x/16 to Hong Kong, 1x/15 to China, 1x/15+1x/18+2x/22 to Singapore, 1x/18+1x/19+2x/22 to Japan, 8x/16+1x/19+1x/24 to Australia). On IPv6 front: 2x/32 to Australia, 1x/32 to Indonesia. < 1298048679 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ill_bet_you_have_six_decoys <3 < 1298048690 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_ill_bet_you_have_six_decoys: 0.0 < 1298048867 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298049560 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1298049636 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC totals for month (IPv4(blocks)/IPv6): Allocated this month : 11 252 480(0.67)/3 342 349. Extrap. to 28 days: 17 503 857(1.04)/5 199 209. To 31 days: 19 379 271(1.16)/5 756 267. Last month: 23 735 040(1.41)/2 818 065. < 1298050063 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298050219 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This month is already 16th highest in IPv4 allocation counts (out of present allocations). At that extrapolated amount, this month would rank the 4th. Out of top 20, 9 are from last year or this year. < 1298050345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it'll do no better than any shudder... <-- why do you hate shudders so much? < 1298050405 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a scene in the episode of Futurama that's a parody of Titanic where Kif goes to Brannigan and the conversation goes something like this: "We have a problem." "Come back when it's a catastrophe." *ship crashes* < 1298050423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That conversation is a parallel to ipv4->ipv6 migration :P < 1298050743 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allocation rate this month: 13.61bpa. Last month was 16.67bpa. 10bpa would deplete present pool in about 5 months, 12bpa would do it in about 4.2 months, 15bpa in about 3.4 months. < 1298050808 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1298050808 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1298050808 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1298050924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1298050961 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1298050994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Dang. < 1298051293 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IETF&co realized "We have a problem" in the 90s. IPv6 IANA pool was created 1st July 1999. After that, problem mitigation has been pretty lackluster. < 1298051434 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of Metric Act of 1866. In the following 145 years, not much progress (besides some new industries). < 1298051495 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1298051590 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when IPv4 DFZ routing table size starts to give serious headaches and ISP support phones are ringing off the hook with support requests because of NAT444, perhaps then IPv6 deployment will really take off... < 1298051617 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I thought the Metric Act just /allowed/ metric where otherwise disallowed, it didn't really /encourage/ it. < 1298051714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1298051729 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-190-118.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1298051758 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. But back then metric adoption was "hotter" topic. But then it "died". < 1298051869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metric adoption is actually happening in the US, though. < 1298051886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost entirely because industry doesn't want to retool stuff for domestic use. < 1298051922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly happened in the UK already < 1298051940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you still get things like beer sold in pints < 1298051951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, US cars are now down entirely in metric, with the only non-metric bits being the speedometer... < 1298051953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the bar has to say what the size of a pint is in metric, but that's normally in tiny small print somewhere) < 1298051959 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1298051964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK speedometers are marked in both mph and kph < 1298051969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the speed limit is measured in mph < 1298051975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same in the US. < 1298051981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MPH as the primary marking. < 1298051993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it seems more or less random which is the primary < 1298052020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sad that the US road standards recently stopped allowing metric. < 1298052032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it matters too much; there was like one or two roads with metric signage. < 1298052044 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and electric units are already metric. Imperial electric units existed but are apparently totally forgotten. < 1298052069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... There were imperial electric units? < 1298052077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared. < 1298052101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, but there are three separate sets of metric electric units < 1298052102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably can't beat the elegance of, say, the kg m^2 c^-1 s^2. < 1298052109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although people are standardised on SI nowadays < 1298052122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, yes, there are many different forms of metric systems. < 1298052129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who gives a crap about non-SI? < 1298052161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/c^-1/C^-1/ < 1298052195 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been able to locate any more information about imperial electric units than that those existed. < 1298052236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just died out really quick, courtesy of physics being so very much simpler in metric systems. < 1298052300 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1298052341 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if rest of imperial system is of any indication, those units were a real Charlie Foxtrot. < 1298052365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... < 1298052391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only sane way to do complex calculation on imperial units is, of course, to convert to and from metric first. As I'm sure you well know. < 1298052405 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metric system is internally consistent. Imperial system isn't. < 1298052609 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1298052855 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also fun page containing the meter/inch ratio. The correct value is of course 5000/127 = 39.[370078740157480314960629921259842519685039]. It had numerious diffrent ways to round that number plus various strange values. < 1298052905 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(collected from various sources). < 1298053012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL: firefoxlive.org, promotional site for Firefox streaming live video of firefoxes, requires Flash to play. < 1298053080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail. < 1298053138 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering switching to Firefox 4 when it comes out < 1298053239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Although *to be fair*, there's no Standard(TM) way to do live streaming right now. < 1298053320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:32:02 oerjan: what pace do you recommend i archive-binge iwc btw? i've been meaning to. <-- divide in 7. Spread it out over a single week < 1298053321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Clearly