< 1297728244 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297728355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I've integrated animation into trunk egojsout. < 1297728358 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UI needs some work :P < 1297728415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scribd.com/doc/48773692/Ignite-SV-Haskell-is-Better Oh snap, Haskell propaganda using Second Life. Somebody alert Sgeo__. < 1297728423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can it SCRUB < 1297728454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can your mom? < 1297728459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1297728462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY QUESTIONS < 1297728789 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=f2fbfce59c1af7376b794987b0b82b848cada986&r=47e874799fa9206bf40b7ef1e7cbf981187341aa&t=25 TADA < 1297729146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Suggest spacing below the tape length heading and below the animation :P < 1297729160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some link to egojsout proper maybe < 1297729162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's cool. < 1297729176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggest being able to see the sources of the programs involved :-P < 1297729177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and I'd also put the trace in a scrollable div and have it automatically scroll down, so you can see the match evolve. < 1297729181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what Deewiant said. < 1297729185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the scrolling thing would be cool. < 1297729189 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: watson is kicking their asses on jeopardy right now < 1297729209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You actually do see it when the page loads :P < 1297729218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Suggest making re-ticking the animation box work :P < 1297729234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The animate box was just a hack, I'm getting rid of it entirely. < 1297729237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Too quick, didn't even notice the first time :-P < 1297729289 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In my timezone Jeopardy is on later, not now < 1297729809 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then i will not discuss it any further < 1297730018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1297730027 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SliderSLIDERSLIDER < 1297730108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's an HTML 5 for it. < 1297730109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use dat :P < 1297730138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should change all the "foo foo" links on [[BF Joust strategies]] to be just a bold link >_> I did one but oh god there are lots. < 1297730142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLURAL ones. < 1297730147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using it. < 1297730148 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits elliott with a DAT #0, #0 < 1297730152 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have a FF old enough not to have it :P < 1297730161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Regex dood < 1297730172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm using a FF crappy enough to not have built-in sed. < 1297730176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1297730275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s pretty sweet on Chrome :) < 1297730306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you make it continuous or discrete? The bar, that is. < 1297730315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer a continuous bar that's floor()'d in display, just because scrubbing would be smoother. < 1297730324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous, floor'd in display. < 1297730327 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs a Microsoft game on WINE on Lubuntu under VirtualBox on Windows 7 < 1297730345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *hi5* < 1297730545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it pushed? < 1297730551 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1297730553 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is now. < 1297730559 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would anybody mind if I put the program listings on the bottom when you permalink? < 1297730571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't want them on top, I sorta want it to be a link to an animation essentially. < 1297730573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'd have it be a link that expands them at the top. < 1297730580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not easy :( < 1297730583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Show sources" --> "Hide sources\n[two source textboxes]" < 1297730591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You mean hiding and showing an element isn't easy? < 1297730595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use jQuery or something if you're that lazy :P < 1297730924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you do that height-limited-scrolling-trace thing? >_> < 1297730947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next you just need to add LIVE PATCHING OF CODE and it'll be in like THOSE MOVIES ABOUT HACKERS gosh golly gosh darn. < 1297731094 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1297731102 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just Googled Core Wars vs VirtualBox < 1297731191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297731207 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-51.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297731313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, permalinks are awesome now :) < 1297731313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY. < 1297731323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why do I always talk after long periods of silence at the same time as somebody else. < 1297731326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway link me up. < 1297731342 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=47e874799fa9206bf40b7ef1e7cbf981187341aa&r=ae4777f408850bad0cd6352d9b63a5d7db6ee5fb&t=25 < 1297731371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No polarity specification in URL? < 1297731382 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&p = polarity inverted, no &p = polarity normal < 1297731388 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the algorithm for division in METAFONT to ensure it doesn't overflow < 1297731389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it, er, going slower? < 1297731394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are the programs just slow? < 1297731401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, my browser is lagged. < 1297731402 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same speed as always, these programs are just slowish :P < 1297731410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ANYHOW you need to implement that scrolling trace thing :q < 1297731411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be awesome. < 1297731422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse. < 1297731426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why? < 1297731428 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patches welcome :P < 1297731480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: s/
_> < 1297733494 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297733524 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/YVZN < 1297733602 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 62.3 < 1297733606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to get caught up on linear algebra homework. < 1297733617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good *God* this is going to be bad... < 1297733631 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. guess those two minuses are worth over 2 points < 1297733658 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: DIEDIEDIE < 1297733667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the homework for a portion of the class is due the day of the test. < 1297733674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what I end up doing? < 1297733801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you said "Put it off for the better part of a month", you'd be correct! < 1297733805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your prize is nothing! < 1297733851 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/ciBB < 1297733859 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 65.0 < 1297733878 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that was a definite improvement. saving that one < 1297733894 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's see if those off-by-one errors are actually beneficial or no... < 1297733930 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, can possbly anyone help with anything with TeXnicard? See if there are any obviously mistakes/omissions in texnicard.w file? < 1297733979 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297734210 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297734212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1297734307 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297734329 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/iKUL < 1297734342 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 64.8 < 1297734347 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1297734356 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'dathunk? < 1297734389 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect this has something to do with vibration < 1297734396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1297734420 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1297734949 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/Baid < 1297734958 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 60.5 < 1297735097 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/LIHP < 1297735109 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 60.5 < 1297735719 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added fancy animation links to a bunch of the strategies :) < 1297735773 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297735832 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297736359 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neato < 1297736476 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a program as the opponent designed to be simple enough that it's not a good strategy but complex enough that it would bring out interesting behavior. It beats some of the 2009 toplisters :P < 1297736560 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297736616 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought up possibly the most difficult to counter defense program ever devised. basically the only way to counter it without making your program suck balls would be to 1) use ridiculously deep nesting to allow for more unpredictable behavior, or 2) do the saccharin_philip sort of thing :P < 1297736656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the only way to counter it is to do what's already done? :P < 1297736675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a saccharin philip? < 1297736716 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: saccharin_philip is pretty awesome dude. i mean really cool. < 1297736764 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's a ripoff of poke + lead_acetate_philip X-P < 1297736815 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: then lead_acetate_philip is pretty awesome < 1297736822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1297736849 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of building 4 decoys at once slowly wreaks havoc on a decent clear < 1297736885 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the idea of treating the first 4 decoys carelessly before actually trying kills pretty much every defense program < 1297736909 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and allows you to outpace a standard rusher < 1297736932 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the simulbuild part is all saccharin, and yeah, I was originally going to build them one at a time, then tested it and came to the conclusion that it confused programs more to build them at once. < 1297736950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still, however, can't do squat against shuddering >_< < 1297736957 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could, maaaan things would be nice :P < 1297736979 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i was thinking that this ridiculously deeply nested clear needs to be written < 1297737015 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of making up a bf variant with subroutine calls to make writing it easier < 1297737029 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would compile by copying the subroutines into all the right places < 1297737046 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's really quite impossible to do it just ({})% alone < 1297737072 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1297737190 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would make it easiest is if we had (a?i{b}c)%i=32 type code, which would expand to: a32a31a30a29a28...bc...c < 1297737204 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the subroutines < 1297737215 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually considering implementing that. < 1297737217 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm seriously thinking about writing this compiler >_> < 1297737464 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. i was gonna see what happened if i used ridiculously large offsets for larger tape sizes :P < 1297737631 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1297737716 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/QDGa < 1297737730 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 60.7 < 1297737742 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a VERY slight improvement < 1297737867 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :results against definder2 did not change :/ < 1297737905 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ais523 told me something that could very well change that... < 1297737967 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is waiting for things to shake out a bit before stepping back in the ring :P < 1297738119 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/BDCW < 1297738134 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 61.1 < 1297738185 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things aren't shaking very much right now gregor. also, space_elevator is still very vulnerable in a lot of ways, and using a good strategy that beats it could put you in 1st again < 1297738443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is somewhat disappointed in Watson. < 1297738457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't proclaim that the Singularity is here and proceed to demonstrate. < 1297738463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So disappointing. :P < 1297738690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably make a good faith effort towards my homework or something < 1297738794 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/BOBQ < 1297738813 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 60.7 < 1297738818 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i was fucking amazed by watson. < 1297738846 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this deepqa shit needs to be a search engine on the interwebs right now < 1297738853 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if they can afford the hardware tho < 1297738858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a more serious note, Watson is some pretty amazingly good natural-language processing, and I would like to thank IBM for actually doing R&D. < 1297738888 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM research is huge main < 1297738905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, IBM takes research seriously. < 1297738925 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/OeJH < 1297738947 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 39.6 < 1297738955 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, much worse than I expected X-P < 1297738985 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip < < 1297738988 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 0.0 < 1297739020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHWAIT < 1297739021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke it :P < 1297739047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/UUJX < 1297739052 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 43.1 < 1297739062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better < 1297739069 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back to the ring < 1297739100 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egodeath is a really weird program that i need to look at and figure out < 1297739101 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust high_fructose_corn_philip < < 1297739109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Huh. < 1297739124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep Blue was a 11.38 GFLOPS supercomputer. < 1297739134 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_high_fructose_corn_philip: 0.0 < 1297739136 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty poor in modern terms yes < 1297739166 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they were to set their sights on chess again, they'd own every grandmaster in the world < 1297739180 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not a profitable venture by any means < 1297739211 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they should publish the deep blue algorithms < 1297739238 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i recall they had some rather innovative heuristics never seen before in chess AI < 1297739274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparison, the Cell processor hits 20.8 GFLOPS (for double-precision). In and of itself. < 1297739317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 211.2 GFLOPS (single-precision). < 1297739359 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh holy hell egodeath is a defender. :P < 1297739461 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's my giant offsets that get me locked on it < 1297739626 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297739754 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297739902 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=851f935e320b09c6ccf78337ab7f7c3c91583ce4&r=simple&t=25 This is a really elucidating poke :) < 1297740060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ♥ Moore's  < 1297740061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Law < 1297740073 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/YZca < 1297740074 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: <3 <# <# < 1297740088 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I want those generally to see how coppro_suicide did so well < 1297740097 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 57.8 < 1297740106 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1297740141 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat's an improvement, I shook up the hill. < 1297740143 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were at 57.7 < 1297740295 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is that two pipes as a pause? :P < 1297740324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I made the opponent for all the examples be >(+)*64>(-)*64(>+>-)*3(>[-])*21 < 1297740331 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just enough to bring out behavior in almost everything. < 1297740340 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still not beating egodeath, even with smaller offsets :( < 1297740464 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though. where does philip come from? is it really just a pun on fill up? < 1297740653 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you pause at a particular frame and get a permalink, does it go ahead and run up to that frame and pause? < 1297740722 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, it doesn't permalink on frames, only runs. < 1297740735 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And philip is the name. But WHOSE name? :P < 1297740770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the more well known heart r=1-cos theta? < 1297740800 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like r = |theta - pi/2| -pi/2 <= theta <= 3pi/2 < 1297740844 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2 + (y - (|x|)^(1/2))^2 < 1297740855 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(try it on WA) < 1297740923 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you have just proved that large decoys are sometimes better than small decoys :P < 1297740938 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297740967 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297741098 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1297741106 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=r+%3D+|theta+-+pi/2|+from+-pi/2+to+3pi/2 < 1297741107 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1297741119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Input interpretation says "r from" but graph has theta from < 1297741200 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297741269 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not fan honestly < 1297741295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of partial to it since I stumbled on it by accident when I was younger < 1297741325 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/BhhN < 1297741338 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 58.0 < 1297741392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can I use the input at the top to run an alternate program? < 1297741421 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ < 1297741480 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1297741490 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what happens if you run off the end of your program; are you restarted? < 1297741509 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooppy: Eternal nopping. < 1297741556 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's what I thought < 1297741688 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, you have to admit though, 1-cos(theta) sucks worse < 1297741960 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does double_tripwire_avoider work? it just seems to run off the end < 1297741997 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust http://sprunge.us/EFPA < 1297741997 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1297742003 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/EFPA < 1297742006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297742012 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-22.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297742012 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 57.6 < 1297742029 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1297742156 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/BhhN < 1297742165 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 58.0 < 1297742174 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it doesn't if you lay decoys fast enough < 1297742180 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(against it) < 1297742192 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1297742700 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/KTWQ < 1297742707 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 39.7 < 1297742712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wtf < 1297742722 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I broke it again X_X < 1297742737 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pulls a Phantom_Hoover and fills Gregor with benzene < 1297742737 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/RDhU < 1297742753 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 41.3 < 1297742779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/jRVO < 1297742790 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 41.3 < 1297742790 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Trying again ... ) < 1297742812 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1297742817 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/TOYj < 1297742822 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 43.5 < 1297742825 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1297742854 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatcha wigglin'? < 1297742863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the rush timing. < 1297742876 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly slower did better against defend13, but seems to do worse against most other things :P < 1297742887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is unsurprising, but was worth a look) < 1297742902 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297742959 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHWAIT, I missed something ... < 1297742985 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will either do better or fail epically < 1297742991 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/fBdR < 1297742994 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297743004 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 38.8 < 1297743010 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk < 1297743018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/TOYj < 1297743030 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 43.5 < 1297743072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once more ... < 1297743083 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/NCdP < 1297743095 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 40.4 < 1297743097 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aspartame_philip http://sprunge.us/TOYj < 1297743103 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm hmm hmm. < 1297743105 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_aspartame_philip: 43.5 < 1297743413 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inorite? < 1297743491 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like the way wireless is still doing so damn well somehow, while wireless_frownie slides slowly away < 1297743497 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297743615 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust poke http://sprunge.us/feYZ < 1297743623 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_poke: 45.5 < 1297743644 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, resubmitting poke? < 1297743673 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it draws with space_elevator XD < 1297743689 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator just dropped 2 points in score < 1297744098 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-251-126.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297744147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1297744269 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/KHTd < 1297744307 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 58.9 < 1297744313 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1297744409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP CHANGING SPACE ELEVATOR X-P < 1297744415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I fight it when it changes every two minutes :P < 1297744424 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make non-suicide resubmissions illegal :P < 1297744434 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you always have to rename and a name always refers to one program. < 1297744444 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I should not do this) < 1297744705 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297744759 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297744878 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297744896 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033089.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1297746166 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297747108 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1297747535 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how to specify tape length in the wiki style permalink? can i just stick a &t=15 in there? < 1297747557 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't arrange the template to be able to :P < 1297747560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme a sec, I'll set it up. < 1297747628 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1297747643 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, you should be able to add |t=15 now. < 1297747657 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(|, not &, yay MediaWiki?) < 1297748055 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....you're using MediaWiki in Codu? < 1297748061 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is utterly confused right now < 1297748091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, my Systems Analysis and Design professor has background music on her page < 1297748099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least she's not the web design professor < 1297748312 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: don't forget to make the template links generated on codu use the t= thing now too. < 1297748336 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Bleh :P < 1297748736 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: p works too? < 1297748757 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh come on, do you honestly need to quicklink to different polarities? X-P < 1297748765 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the time being, just use |t=whatever&p < 1297748766 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes < 1297748770 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1297748776 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a bit of a pain to work that one out ... < 1297748865 0 :VastOne!~vastone@24.50.143.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297748879 0 :VastOne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1297748889 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F++ < 1297748925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297748930 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-250.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297748945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping of death? < 1297748963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that this router just goes "Fuck you, I'm going to drop all connections" every now and then. < 1297748965 0 :VastOne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me Sgeo? < 1297748979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Induced depending on load. < 1297748991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects a damned shitty NAT implementation. < 1297748999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What about it? < 1297749014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, just that you pinged out and I wanted to make a joke, is all < 1297749033 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convert the world to IPv6 so you don't have to deal with crappy NAT < 1297749049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid my ISP is moronic. < 1297749051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like most are. < 1297749062 0 :VastOne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arnt they all? < 1297749069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I *do* have an IPv6 tunnel, that ends up going through crappy NAT as well. < 1297749193 0 :VastOne!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1297749454 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297749482 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297749589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/GaFK < 1297749632 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 48.1 < 1297749645 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hallo thar < 1297749727 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/XGNV < 1297749743 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 47.0 < 1297749756 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, didn't think that'd be better. < 1297749793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/JfLW < 1297749809 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 48.7 < 1297749880 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best FFBG you've fielded, innit? < 1297750064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/RjSA < 1297750076 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 48.7 < 1297750079 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only used FFBG for wildly-experimental things, nothing has worked before :P < 1297750156 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/bQDh < 1297750163 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably not better) < 1297750173 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 48.7 < 1297750205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when does BF Joust accept Perl? Or is it just a polygot? < 1297750215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or worse, not actually Perl kin any way < 1297750232 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a polyglot. < 1297750317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees i now < 1297750320 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it too < 1297750329 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not an it, prior statements to the contrary. < 1297750357 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I forgot a notwithstanding < 1297750371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it appears to be the Perl code that generates the BF Joust program. :) < 1297750398 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1297750399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I want to imagine myself drunk < 1297750418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to being a minorly cheating quine. :P < 1297750466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's only a pseudoquine, that's just for convenience. < 1297750480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's a MAJORLY cheating quine if I called it a quine :P < 1297750531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay, okay, so "just reading the entire code in and printing it out" is a more major cheat. < 1297750621 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were drunk, I don't know if I'd be more of a "makes stupid jokes" person or a "kills everyone in sight" person < 1297750707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If it makes you feel better, getting drunk is kinda the province of the stupid. < 1297750718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Province? Odd word choice there. < 1297750723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should sleep. < 1297752132 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297752490 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-202-140.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297752528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1297752700 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oicwutudidthar. you're doing what i did except more efficiently :P < 1297752716 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297752721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stealing is the sincerest form of flattery ;) < 1297752982 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1297752988 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've still got more up my sleeve, if I don't decide I need to sleep first. < 1297753026 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297753064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, sleep first. < 1297753068 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm is what say to you good sir < 1297753072 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should sleep also :/ < 1297753679 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/eagG < 1297753922 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1297754144 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 56.7 < 1297754199 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not an improve < 1297754902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1297754907 0 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1297755080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Heh, your furry_furry_bondage_girls fails with cranklance with a "parse error: bad char after (): ;" due to "my ($fh, $line, $i, $j);" -- it does prune out (..)*0 comments, but only in a later stage; the count is read immediately after ). Maybe I should make it just treat ") followed by garbage" as ")*0". < 1297755281 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1297755323 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297755522 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/ZXWS < 1297755570 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 55.3 < 1297755828 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1297756135 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/dJBH < 1297756145 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297756165 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-202-140.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297756343 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/dpoints15.png → http://zem.fi/~fis/cycles15.png where the latter shows (in log10 scale) the average number of cycles simulated in a particular game (all the way up to pure red = 10^5). < 1297756363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how useful that is, but at least definder2 stands out. < 1297756431 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. definder2 is p much guaranteed to take forever when it's working. < 1297756509 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 55.4 < 1297756519 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1297756734 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+>-(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297756799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1297756800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1297756893 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+>-(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297757137 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/SOaH < 1297757330 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: why did you submit the same identical program twice? < 1297757339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because breakdown.txt wasn't being generated < 1297757362 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you assumed it wasn't working? < 1297757366 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1297757380 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting usually works for me < 1297757416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing at all in almost three minutes made it seem unlikely < 1297757431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .bfjoust did go up, but breakdown wasn't even emptied < 1297757516 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 54.7 < 1297757516 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 51.5 < 1297757517 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 51.5 < 1297757538 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297757563 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 53.3 < 1297757657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also match lengths over all 68880 program/tape-length/polarity configurations: http://zem.fi/~fis/cycleh15.png (histogram in log-scale) < 1297757694 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every change i make just makes it worse :P < 1297757725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try a logarithmically-spaced-bins histogram, but I don't see an option for that. < 1297757815 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that spike at 60000 due to definder? < 1297757850 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's sloth < 1297757853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, http://zem.fi/~fis/cycleh15b.png with X axis in log-scale by just applying log to the data. < 1297758187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*10(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-.].[.+]]}])%3])*10>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3] < 1297758197 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 49.6 < 1297758282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's mostly due to sloth. < 1297758318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/1k46 ← number of matches in the [50000, 70000] range for everyone. < 1297758399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3]+)*21 < 1297758399 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1297758405 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3]+)*21 < 1297758410 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 50.9 < 1297758974 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297758983 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 53.3 < 1297759283 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare for suck < 1297759290 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/OEIj < 1297759301 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 53.7 < 1297759631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12<(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(+)*30(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297759650 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 52.2 < 1297759681 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(-)*12<(+)*12<(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30<(+)*30(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297759686 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 52.2 < 1297759703 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12<(+)*30<(-)*30<(-)*30<(+)*30(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297759709 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 53.3 < 1297759737 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297759757 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 53.3 < 1297759971 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust space_elevator http://sprunge.us/KHTd < 1297759981 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for quintopia_space_elevator: 56.7 < 1297760305 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game < 1297760893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/clust15.png → http://zem.fi/~fis/clust15b.png if you just flip the input from the score table to the cycle-count table. < 1297760949 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-208.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297761089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And http://zem.fi/~fis/clust15c.png if you multiply them. :p ) < 1297761128 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1297761236 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1297761241 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1297761420 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297761650 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1297761669 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1297763001 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297764955 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@afrodite.ceid.upatras.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1297765607 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1297765755 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297765932 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230230232.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1297766016 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1297766033 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230230232.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1297766180 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1297766195 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230230232.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1297766797 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297766850 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181135224.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1297767404 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060209.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1297767421 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297768308 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297768402 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g231051233.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1297770076 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1297771688 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297771774 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1297772887 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-182-16.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297772915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1297772957 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1297774353 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297775196 0 :roconnor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297775298 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: Heh, your furry_furry_bondage_girls fails with cranklance with a "parse error: bad char after (): ;" due to "my ($fh, $line, $i, $j);" -- it does prune out (..)*0 comments, but only in a later stage; the count is read immediately after ). Maybe I should make it just treat ") followed by garbage" as ")*0". < 1297775316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was considering requesting a spec change to allow proper comments, since I also had to do stupid crap like: < 1297775319 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#( < 1297775323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (...) { ... } < 1297775324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#)%0 < 1297775409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, < 1297775511 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, elliott: Real nested comments. I want them. Any suggestions? I was thinking maybe a "bare" {} (outside of any ()s) would be considered a comment, since we're running out of pairable characters :P < 1297775560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(comment (nested comment)*0 more comment)*0 < 1297775585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you mean is, you want comments that allow arbitrary characters inside < 1297775603 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. See furry_furry_bondage_girls. It is a polyglot. It would be good to allow such honesty easily. < 1297775721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you found a program befitting the name? < 1297775736 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not :P < 1297775847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's a turtle? < 1297775854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just with a crazy decoy setup? < 1297775858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a cleverer philip. < 1297775875 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a philip is just a turtle with some small-decoy avoidance) < 1297775895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got more up my sleeve, but that's for later. < 1297775904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just verifying that definder2 won the way it was meant to against it, and it does < 1297775981 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, any thoughts on comments :P < 1297776006 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you generate some programs, and IM(Not-at-all)HO, it would be good for anybody who used code generators to present them as part of their solution. < 1297776091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't generally use them for the whole thing < 1297776114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use them in order to generate things like complex lock patterns < 1297776121 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmmmm < 1297776126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definder and definder2 were generated via the same program, for instance < 1297776130 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so :P < 1297776131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they have basically no code in common < 1297776156 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so, an arbitrary comment would allow you (encourage you?) to include the relevant code in the relevant part. < 1297776167 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If not be a polyglot pseudoquine :P ) < 1297776257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the generation backfires horribly, like with defend9 < 1297776261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought up a new strategy, anyway < 1297776477 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297776775 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297777011 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1297777447 0 :miekko!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zwaarddijk < 1297777496 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297777669 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131002.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1297777715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297777719 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-177-41.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297777741 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1297777781 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297777799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the haps my friends < 1297777951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297779415 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we're busy documenting BF Joust strategies on the wiki < 1297779420 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1297779423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O god < 1297780282 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is decoytuner in the notable programs section? surely it was never at the top of the hill, given how bad it is? < 1297780287 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decoytuner/2/ I can believe < 1297780401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, this connection has slowed to a halt for no apparent reason. < 1297780411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get HTTP connections to *anything*. < 1297780427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, wait, does IRC still work? < 1297780428 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a role or position to which the player < 1297780475 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get through to elliott's logs, which is highly distressing because there's nothing actually there. < 1297780480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe the DNS is down. < 1297780513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1297780549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pings to Google still go through, with times of ~50ms, which isn't strikingly long. < 1297780599 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1297780600 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora* alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1297780604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1297780604 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1297780623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you any good as a YouTube substitute? < 1297780624 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it doesn't mean they do! lol he was a discussion between those who speak a different way he could make a fly by < 1297780699 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Packet filtered". < 1297780706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tell me what that means. < 1297780733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds context-dependent. < 1297780743 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in a ping to irc.freenode.net. < 1297780762 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From corv-car1-gw.nero.net (207.98.64.177) icmp_seq=1 Packet filtered" < 1297780852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Maybe it prints that when the other end sends one of the weirder ICMP status codes, the "administratively prohibited" ones or so. < 1297780937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't make another connection to Freenode through XChat, either. < 1297780998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weird; they have billion servers, after all. < 1297781009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PING 140.211.166.3 (140.211.166.3) 56(84) bytes of data. < 1297781009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 207.98.64.177 icmp_seq=2 Packet filtered < 1297781014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that too from one of them. < 1297781020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, OK. < 1297781027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still can't connect to anything. < 1297781047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinging them works fine, but actually trying to do something inevitably fails. < 1297781103 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happened suddenly, too; the connection worked fine for a while, then suddenly cut out. < 1297781143 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan B: see if this is happening at the router. < 1297781209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or not, because it seems to be both modem and router. < 1297781494 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297781507 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nmap says everything is down as well. < 1297782019 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had the "existing IRC connections work but nothing else does" problem before now, too < 1297782076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did it resolve? < 1297782093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And any way to see where it's going weird? < 1297782114 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION traceroutes. < 1297782180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297782184 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-221-224.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297782226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be able to get straight through to Google without a hitch, but very slowly. < 1297782317 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297782933 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1297782991 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297783016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh. < 1297783030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo echo < 1297783036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hello? < 1297783037 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nah theres australia mmmmmmmmate!!!! causes hallucinations, and you didn't reply directly to you kz 2! < 1297783052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought I had lost this connection as well for a moment... < 1297783058 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo < 1297783678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you're still here < 1297783961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1297783974 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it fixed itself. < 1297784214 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297784593 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297785121 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-56.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297785276 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1297785549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.min.us/il4KQQ.jpg < 1297785559 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this person realises that this already exists and it's hideous. < 1297786589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -h furry_furry_dominance_girls.bfjoust < 1297786589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 71M furry_furry_dominance_girls.bfjoust < 1297786592 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahawhoops < 1297786840 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1297787017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could take a while to run < 1297787020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in lance < 1297787037 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1297787052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of [[e:BF Joust strategies]] now, btw? < 1297787059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies < 1297787065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :messed up my text replace there < 1297787303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297787323 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-217-143.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297787362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what/ < 1297787367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1297787427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should set a size limit :P < 1297787429 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 640K < 1297787453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programs need to go exponential to really work properly < 1297787458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of a size limit, though < 1297787483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to force people to write at least vaguely Brainfucky code rather than just using [] as if and unrolling all control structures into a sequence of ifs < 1297787545 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, exactly. < 1297787549 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preventing exactly what I just did :P < 1297787554 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only unroll to depth 1 now. < 1297787582 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depth 1 is still superuseful though) < 1297787596 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or would be if I didn't have an off-by-two(wtf) error) < 1297787664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I unrolled let_sleeping_tripwires_lie to level 4 by hand, I think < 1297787783 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, watching full-tape clear to the finish would be soooo boring :P < 1297787807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On any longer length) < 1297787872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and incredibly CPU-intensive, too < 1297787889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I shortened the tape length for the defend7 example, as it uses a full-tape clear too < 1297787896 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh cool, there are descriptions now. < 1297787908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added descriptions for my own programs < 1297787913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I knew what they did < 1297787943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a sensible reason :P < 1297787948 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should add descriptions for mine I suppose. < 1297787967 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend7 at this tape length is very elucidating. < 1297787993 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look what digging up my browser history brought < 1297788000 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an old paste with vagrant on it < 1297788621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should adjust EgoJSout so that the parser function yields :P < 1297788755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, is that what causes the freeze just after loading a large program, before running it? < 1297788990 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297789007 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297789108 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-164-140.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297789120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1297789783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow defend9 is buggy, in all sorts of ways < 1297789788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only noticed checking it in egojsout < 1297789801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the detection is all screwed up < 1297789817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should definitely make a remake of it < 1297790209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it detects simple, modified to be three-cycle, with the wrong polarity < 1297790411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't'cha glad egojsout exists ^^ < 1297790416 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's kinda borken right now :P < 1297790870 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it's fixed, and you'll never know how it was broken. < 1297791095 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791095 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791096 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791096 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791096 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791096 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791096 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791097 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791098 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791098 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791098 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791099 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791100 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791100 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791100 0 :Mannerisky!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791375 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/XeXB < 1297791413 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shoot, screwed it up :P < 1297791415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a suicider. < 1297791520 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 0.0 < 1297791523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/VUYG < 1297791535 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 0.0 < 1297791553 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1297791586 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/VUYG < 1297791592 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 0.0 < 1297791612 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doblewtf, the actual code is identical to what it was before >_< < 1297791634 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless ... does egojoust not handle *0 correctly at all? :P < 1297791642 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791703 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791703 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791703 0 :Mannerisky!~mannerisk@71-38-35-190.frgo.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791713 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (<)*0>(+)*64>(-)*64(>+>-)*3(>[-])*21 < 1297791714 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1297791727 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust testing_testing_one_two_three (<)*0>(+)*64>(-)*64(>+>-)*3(>[-])*21 < 1297791731 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_testing_testing_one_two_three: 0.0 < 1297791734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nop-or-suicide (<)*0 < 1297791745 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Sgeo_nop-or-suicide: 0.0 < 1297791755 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791756 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791756 0 :Zwaarddijk!miekko@infa.abo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791769 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so with *0 not working, I'm honestly not sure what FFBG was even doing :P < 1297791795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/NHgV < 1297791805 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 49.0 < 1297791940 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791940 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791940 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791940 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791940 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791940 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791940 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791940 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1297791972 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791972 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791972 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297791975 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297792103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297792142 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297792447 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297792474 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297792704 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1297792704 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297792704 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1297792704 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1297792909 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/HXMB < 1297792936 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 49.0 < 1297793223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/OaYa < 1297793247 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 49.0 < 1297793287 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go, now I include the original, unwtfed Perl code by means of some very wtf Perl code which includes Base64-encoded code X-P < 1297793304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: does % work correctly in egojoust atm? < 1297793315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes < 1297793323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So long as you don't nest as ({{}}) < 1297793332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks < 1297793338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just testing defend9.5 locally atm < 1297793370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll go onto the hill soon, and I have high hopes for it < 1297793389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll see if I can modify it to beat turtles and defence and see if it does even better < 1297793488 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1297793496 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1297793626 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/VGSh < 1297793632 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 51.0 < 1297793643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does egojsout show the code position debug data any more? < 1297793653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so, how do I obtain it? < 1297793969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh darn, you found what I just fixed :P < 1297793977 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't reloaded since I said I fixed something mysterious, you need to. < 1297793982 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/JPeQ < 1297793991 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 50.9 < 1297794008 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/ZeaT < 1297794020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably neither of these will do better... < 1297794021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out the bug in my program a different way < 1297794025 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 50.9 < 1297794040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/hePS < 1297794048 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_furry_furry_bondage_girls: 51.0 < 1297794061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.5 http://sprunge.us/VQDW < 1297794088 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_5: 23.2 < 1297794096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that low? < 1297794178 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1297794179 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1297794193 0 :hirnstein!~ich@dslb-088-074-191-161.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297794194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it's beating everything it's meant to, it's just that not countering defence means you do badly nowadays < 1297794288 0 :hirnstein!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin, what doo u think about tyche,nibiru, nemesis... < 1297794575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hirnstein: are you here to talk about programming? < 1297794581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, this is likely the wrong channel, and the wrong server < 1297794581 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1297794586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297794586 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297794604 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297794607 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1297794610 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1297794634 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1297794678 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297794715 0 :hirnstein!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1297794841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I know what I /want/ to write here, but I fear it would kill egojoust < 1297794870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: will egojoust hate me if I put a huge program (several kilobytes) inside a ()%1000 loop? or can it do that efficiently nowadays? < 1297794877 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+----]]}])%3])*21 < 1297794883 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 50.6 < 1297794886 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It can't do that efficiently :P < 1297794896 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.++-------]]}])%3])*21 < 1297794899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, looks like I'll have to think up a different way to do this < 1297794917 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 51.0 < 1297794947 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+++------]]}])%3])*21 < 1297794969 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 51.9 < 1297794974 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.187.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297795002 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297795010 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 52.7 < 1297795096 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1297795102 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-253-153.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297795213 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297795250 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297795282 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181052220.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1297795350 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1297795610 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[.+---]]}])%3])*4(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*17 < 1297795615 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 36.6 < 1297795731 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+>[-([+{[(+)*8[.+---]]}])%3](>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*20 < 1297795739 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 44.8 < 1297795841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-][.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297795847 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 49.7 < 1297795893 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297795899 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 52.7 < 1297796142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/BMhZ < 1297796149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has been beating all but the weirdest programs in my testing < 1297796162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's moderately easy to counter by targeting it specifically < 1297796241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it hasn't even managed to run even one program yet < 1297796259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use a % loop, but nested * loops, which egojoust isn't that bad at < 1297796315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll make it easier for egojoust to handle < 1297796337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/KeYI < 1297796455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, still not running < 1297796472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if I can make the loop even shorter without losing to something I should beat < 1297796566 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a nifty idea (stolen of course) which is presently not working at all :P < 1297796633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/badj < 1297796636 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 0.5 < 1297796637 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 0.5 < 1297796638 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 0.5 < 1297796644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... wrong < 1297796650 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawlehcoptahs < 1297796670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats space_elevator convincingly on egojsout < 1297796674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm going to assume it's an egojoust bug < 1297796676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only played against maglev? < 1297796685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And report.txt is broken < 1297796687 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinkin' if elliott isn't done with lance by the weekend, I'm just gonna write egojoust2. Probably that just runs into some stupid egojoust bug >_< < 1297796693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breakdown shows it beating maglev < 1297796701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me rerun it and see what happens < 1297796702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can always start cranking cranklance. :p < 1297796714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/badj < 1297796716 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I keep forgetting about it because you're not loud enough :P < 1297796726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'll look at it tonight, relink me the source in PM? < 1297796735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like to "tootle my own horn", knowwhatImean. < 1297796751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure "relink" is the right word, considering I haven't shown it to anyone yet. < 1297796808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not in egojoust-compatible output format, since I've added cycle-count dumps and such for those visualizations, so it's not such a turnkey solution as you get from elliott incorporated. < 1297796821 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 36.6 < 1297796826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's definitely hitting an egojoust bug; it beats saccharine_philip on all 42 runs on egojsout, but loses most of them on egojoust < 1297796833 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297796919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no < 1297796935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my shortening of the main loop so that egojoust can tolerate it that's making it lose to saccharine_philip < 1297796965 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297796965 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297796965 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't bother, just let egojoust suffer. < 1297796970 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1297797037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no, not that either < 1297797041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something else that incidentally changed < 1297797114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have put the wrong program into egojsout < 1297797119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 36.6 seems correct, now < 1297797144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/cranklance-beta.tar.gz if someone likes to sneak a peek; not exactly my finest work ever, since it was supposed to be just a throwaway experiment. (Also I want to add a duplicate set of op_X's that it can switch to after the other program dies, for faster running of the live one.) < 1297797182 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 http://sprunge.us/hMUX < 1297797196 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 48.6 < 1297797196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're such a train. < 1297797202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1297797217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you an official train enthusiast person guy, in fact? < 1297797221 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1297797250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw; could've fool'd me. < 1297797261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 http://sprunge.us/BfBV < 1297797280 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 13.7 < 1297797332 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 http://sprunge.us/MEWB < 1297797358 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 50.7 < 1297797399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 http://sprunge.us/FCFO < 1297797413 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 49.2 < 1297797496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1297797496 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-173-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297797507 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297797523 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297797741 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297797773 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1297797778 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1297797847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 http://sprunge.us/biVY < 1297797872 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 50.7 < 1297797977 0 :FlyingTortilla!~chatzilla@host86-174-13-138.range86-174.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1297797979 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 http://sprunge.us/FFci < 1297798004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... goddamnit. < 1297798009 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 44.7 < 1297798024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/EjhJ < 1297798026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1297798033 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50.7 < 1297798047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, does that beat one of your programs? < 1297798079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there seems to be a threshold between "egojoust runs quickly" and "egojoust doesn't run at all" < 1297798085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's somewhere between 9 and 16 iterations < 1297798095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries 12 < 1297798100 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1297798113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 http://sprunge.us/HSjE < 1297798121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/NKhG < 1297798128 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -h furry_furry_leather_discipline_girls.bfjoust < 1297798129 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6M furry_furry_leather_discipline_girls.bfjoust < 1297798137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am doing a TERRIBLE job of not writing exponential programs >_< < 1297798182 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297798188 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 44.9 < 1297798189 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 0.6 < 1297798190 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 0.6 < 1297798200 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297798204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/NKhG < 1297798216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the low scores seem a symptom of replacing a hard-to-run program with an easy-to-run program < 1297798223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can be fixed just by rerunning it < 1297798245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 | + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + - - - - - - - - - - 0 0 - - - - - - - - - - - | 0.6 | 0.0 | 23 | ais523_defend9_75.bfjoust < 1297798247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1297798247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably more like replacing an in-progress program with another program. < 1297798253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1297798266 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 < < 1297798294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/ILYM < 1297798302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to 9 iterations < 1297798309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is /just/ enough to beat out the slowest programs on the hill < 1297798313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be much higher, though < 1297798331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't have to tweak constants just to get egojoust to work < 1297798361 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually FFLDG isn't even exponential, just high-polynomial :P < 1297798377 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: egojoust needs to go, this is well-established :P < 1297798436 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297798437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if 9.75 will hit the top of the leaderboard when it's properly tweaked < 1297798441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks like it'll be high up < 1297798444 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297798480 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just 9 with bugs fixed? < 1297798492 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 19.6 < 1297798492 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 43.4 < 1297798493 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 19.6 < 1297798499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/ILYM < 1297798501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not any more < 1297798508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.5 is basically a bugfixed 9 < 1297798518 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1297798521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyy did < get 43.4 :-P < 1297798524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.75 is 9.5, plus a bunch of modifications that have improved every defence program I've put them on < 1297798533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: haha, that's amazing < 1297798562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote !bfjoust sm3 < Score for Deewiant_sm3: 43.4 < 1297798563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running more than one program simultaneously breaks stuff quite a bit < 1297798565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1297798585 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if the server handled it so we don't have to worry about it :-P < 1297798610 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :306) !bfjoust sm3 < Score for Deewiant_sm3: 43.4 < 1297798631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be a record for the self-suiciding program < 1297798649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl, after reducing the depth to produce shorter code, I have created the world's worst tripwire: when tripped, it does nothing, and I continue on my merry way. < 1297798672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could still be useful for synchronization < 1297798677 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 45.0 < 1297798683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a reverse tripwire which you keep checking even when tripped < 1297798733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loss to slowrush looks like a bug, btw < 1297798746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it can go higher < 1297799014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, found the bug < 1297799070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if slowrush's offset of 22 was chosen because 22*3 > 64? < 1297799083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it beats certain defensive algos quite well for that reason < 1297799105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9.75 http://sprunge.us/OdLA < 1297799152 0 :FlyingTortilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203074432] < 1297799247 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_defend9_75: 48.0 < 1297799573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, superfast_jellyfish uses a 7-cycle clear < 1297799574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's detectable too < 1297799646 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, without an else branch, it is so difficult to make sure you're always where you think you are without unrolling 'til you have 1.6MB programs :P < 1297799765 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have elses by nesting 'til you have 2.1MB programs < 1297799918 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: defend9_75 looks exactly like something i was thinking of implementing. stop reading my mind. < 1297799953 0 :comex_!~comex@67.188.10.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297799985 0 :ineiros_!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1297799987 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, you didn't quite get all my ideas < 1297799994 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i can surprise < 1297799998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 9.75 http://sprunge.us/bdUL < 1297800004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get all mine? < 1297800061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's impossible for us to collaborate on a "perfect" BF Joust program, because everything's beatable < 1297800071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, got the name wrong < 1297800072 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1297800074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll delete the old version once the new version processes < 1297800084 0 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:3714::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297800090 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure because i haven't quite figured out what you're doing yet < 1297800112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm not convinced the new version's better, the fix I tried to use doesn't actually work < 1297800112 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1297800116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott! < 1297800131 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_9_75: 45.4 < 1297800136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1297800139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1297800140 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297800140 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297800140 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297800140 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297800148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 9.75 < < 1297800152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong name < 1297800154 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_9_75: 0.0 < 1297800161 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea was to first detect polarity and offset size using the ([{}])% style tripwires, two if necessary, and then detect cycle length with another regular tripwire. < 1297800166 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you're doing? < 1297800169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust choloepus >+++<(++----+)*8192(>)*8(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800186 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_choloepus: 23.9 < 1297800189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, I'm detecting polarity and cycle length with one < 1297800204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mathmaticising around the offset size < 1297800219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust choloepus >+++<(++----+)*768(>)*8(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800229 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_choloepus: 25.3 < 1297800231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:09:16 !bfjoust furry_furry_bondage_girls http://sprunge.us/bQDh < 1297800233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow @ polyglot < 1297800243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust choloepus >+++<(++----+)*256(>)*8(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800250 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you ensuring that even large offsets/careless clears never pass zero? < 1297800255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, defend9.75 beats everything above it on the leaderboard < 1297800256 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_choloepus: 25.1 < 1297800264 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by pass, i mean see) < 1297800266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: since when do you code perl? < 1297800270 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'twas a borken polyglot due to egojoust, but also due to having no real comments as parens still require matching ({}) within them. < 1297800275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: since when do you code perl? < 1297800277 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's part of my vast lexicon :P < 1297800279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust choloepus >+++<(++--)*256(>)*8(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: careless clears are dealt with a different way; for large offsets I use a two-cycle tripwire < 1297800304 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_choloepus: 15.9 < 1297800325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:31:20 Gregor: Heh, your furry_furry_bondage_girls fails with cranklance with a "parse error: bad char after (): ;" due to "my ($fh, $line, $i, $j);" -- it does prune out (..)*0 comments, but only in a later stage; the count is read immediately after ). Maybe I should make it just treat ") followed by garbage" as ")*0". < 1297800327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's indeed an error < 1297800332 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust choloepus < < 1297800333 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try my idea then :P i have to study today < 1297800344 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_choloepus: 0.0 < 1297800345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have to work too < 1297800351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you might run out of decoy space < 1297800359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend9.75 more or less autoloses on short tapes as it is < 1297800369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being rule-of-nined into oblivion < 1297800408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:11:51 ais523, elliott: Real nested comments. I want them. Any suggestions? I was thinking maybe a "bare" {} (outside of any ()s) would be considered a comment, since we're running out of pairable characters :P < 1297800416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats everything above interior_crocodile_alligator, at least < 1297800416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No comments in BF-esques kthx < 1297800427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()*0 is for notes, not #if 0 :P < 1297800442 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE RUINING MY POLYGLOT < 1297800449 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah my idea would suffer from the same problem, but that's fine < 1297800450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's hardly "honesty". You could just do < 1297800453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Generator: http://sprunge.us/... )*0 < 1297800455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the start. < 1297800456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1297800463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Polyglots are meant to be difficult, yo. < 1297800473 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*8(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*2(<)*4(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800481 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 47.3 < 1297800482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why does defend9.75 beat superfast_jellyfish on kettle polarity? < 1297800485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1297800489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION investigates < 1297800491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hTF did interior_crocodile_alligator get so high up? < 1297800502 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he just said why < 1297800505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1297800505 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot, I bumped pendolino to #1 < 1297800508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he didn't < 1297800509 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't intentional < 1297800525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ < 1297800525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "simple" < 1297800528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's doing something that my defenders dislike, I need to look into it < 1297800530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's the example program used on the wiki < 1297800537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to demonstrate how other programs work < 1297800550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ehm, whenever I use egojsout, the animation plays and starts playing without me even asking for an animation. < 1297800551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's just complicated enough to bring out behavior in (most) other programs, without actually being very good. < 1297800553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stupid rush program that contains very few countermeasures, and does things itself that are interesting to show off other programs against < 1297800564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I no longer have a do-or-don't-animate checkbox. Deal with it. < 1297800575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*2(<)*4(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*7(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800586 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 48.5 < 1297800609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's incredibly irritating since I mostly read traces. < 1297800610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I think so do most other people) < 1297800612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: still trying to revive the era of one-liners? < 1297800625 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's doing a fine job of it :P < 1297800628 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, half of the top 6 are one-liners < 1297800629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what? Animation should chew up very little CPU unless your browser sucks foot. < 1297800651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it chews up a lot in both Firefox and Chromium generating the traces < 1297800654 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1297800656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, I don't care about CPU, I care about it being distracting and having to pause it explicitly every single time I look at a trace, and also the fact that it wastes screen space. < 1297800660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumably it's the traces that are problematic, not the animation < 1297800668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*2(<)*4(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*7(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen space doesn't bother me because I can scroll < 1297800675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I only have 900 vertical pixels.) < 1297800676 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, quintopia: Animation only starts after the trace is finished being collected. < 1297800677 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i agree that it should not autoplay. < 1297800677 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 51.2 < 1297800679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting it paused by default would make sense, though < 1297800680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Still sucks for analysing early games. < 1297800691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How about this: Float the animation right, and pause it by default. < 1297800694 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it wasn't doing that yesterday. sometimes it was getting confused and playing sooner < 1297800696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, you people and your extremely minor concerns. < 1297800699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it takes up no vertical screen space and isn't annoying. < 1297800705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus falls space_elevator < 1297800719 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you all so much. < 1297800722 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no idea how much I hate you all. < 1297800723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend9.75 beats it pretty convincingly < 1297800730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a burning, firey hatred. < 1297800741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :customers are never satisfied, eh? < 1297800742 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some others do too, none of mine though < 1297800751 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decided last night i was done with space_elevator and ready to move on to other things < 1297800752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egojsout's pretty useful, though, I went and added examples using it to the wiki, in addition to the ones already there < 1297800753 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: PAY ME, THEN YOU WILL BE A CUSTOMER. < 1297800756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:34:35 I can't get through to elliott's logs, which is highly distressing because there's nothing actually there. < 1297800766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Herobrine is dead or whatever. < 1297800775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[.++-------]]}])%3])*2(<)*4(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*7(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like egojsout, I just don't like the only thing I use egojsout for made awkward and distracting :P < 1297800793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The animation is cool but not useful most of the time IMO < 1297800799 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 43.4 < 1297800800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it useful < 1297800812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use the traces when I need more detail < 1297800816 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you can see what happens faster using the animation than the trace < 1297800818 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[.-]]}])%3])*2(<)*4(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*7(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's excellent for visualising strategies, too < 1297800826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If it was floated-right and automatically paused, you could see it just as well with one click. < 1297800829 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 48.2 < 1297800831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also not bother me in the slightest. < 1297800834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone wins. :p < 1297800843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1297800851 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*4(<)*6(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*7(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if the traces were floated right, I suppose < 1297800857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would look weird < 1297800857 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot < 1297800863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'd be an awful lot of blank space on the left for most of the page < 1297800863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: tweaking constants? < 1297800869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1297800869 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As usual < 1297800870 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 48.4 < 1297800898 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*5>->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297800913 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 52.2 < 1297800923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple beats interior crocodile alligator :( < 1297800931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, the issue remains: htf is defend9 beating a 7-cycle clear? (I wonder if it's triggering the "stupidly slow attacker, become a fast rush" codepath?) < 1297800938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how does interior crocodile alligator work? < 1297800938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also why are there two permalink buttons :P < 1297800946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with syntax errors AFAICT < 1297800946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: one's a permalink to the programs, the other to the individual run < 1297800955 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*4(<)*6(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*11(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*17 < 1297800957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i don't actually get syntax errors now from egojsout on it < 1297800958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1297800970 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 50.7 < 1297800972 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't know how hard it would be to do in cranklance+scipy, but i'd like to see a graph of average absolute decoy structure (aka absolute value of decoy sizes assuming [-127,128] as a function of distance from flag) < 1297800981 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297800984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well done at breaking 50 < 1297800987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's becoming harder and harder nowadays < 1297800996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the hill is more varied and more evenly matched < 1297801001 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost pushing space_elevator back to #1, that's annoying :-P < 1297801001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically, it's a standard (>)*9(clear>)*20clear program < 1297801006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but with a really confusing clear < 1297801010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1297801014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder it beats defenders < 1297801021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably loses to fast rushes < 1297801024 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*2(<)*8(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*9(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*19 < 1297801027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: first, it goes into a loop, and if the value is non-zero, it decreases it by one < 1297801031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get 1-decoys < 1297801036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it enters another loop, which is skipped if it was 1 ofc < 1297801038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tries ++ < 1297801039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1297801042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's standard < 1297801044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF -> FE because of the first - -> FF -> 00 < 1297801048 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 0.0 < 1297801051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that in some of my own programs too < 1297801054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as has Gregor < 1297801057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops < 1297801059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably other people as well < 1297801063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but /then/, it guesses that it's a flag, and takes 128 off (despite the fact that this actually turns out to be (-)*127 because of the -++) < 1297801069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*2(<)*4(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*9(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*19 < 1297801072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: _then_ it does [-[-[-(64 of those) < 1297801076 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 52.8 < 1297801077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then [+[+[+(64 of those) < 1297801077 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what happened with the ()*0 issue and the mysterious furries? < 1297801079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then [-] < 1297801082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then so, so many ]s < 1297801088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no wonder, it's too slow to detect < 1297801094 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is the ]s that give it its power < 1297801095 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I did it a different way. < 1297801116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does it even set decoys? < 1297801117 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*7(<)*9(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*14(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*14 < 1297801118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell? < 1297801120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so basically, it aims for 1, then FF, then... 0x81 :P, and then it goes down for a while, up for a while, then down < 1297801122 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an sm3? < 1297801129 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 40.0 < 1297801132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and, depending on how far it gets into the loops, then sits around for _ages_ after clearing a cel < 1297801135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to help confuse defenders < 1297801135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: Did we ever find out what furries with false comments does? < 1297801136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cell < 1297801140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it would do < 1297801141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no decoys, nope < 1297801142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try adding some < 1297801145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confuses tripwires < 1297801160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*1(<)*3(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*8(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*20 < 1297801178 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just some small amount of random flag nonsense before moving on. < 1297801179 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 52.6 < 1297801208 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what is an sm3? < 1297801218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VR_Class_Sm3 < 1297801247 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION trains a train on Deewiant  < 1297801271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell does superfast_jellyfish beat anything but defence? < 1297801276 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: has bf joust caused you to have to start studying trains? < 1297801278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Have you ever made a program that isn't like a train? :P < 1297801279 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, it doesn't autoplay. < 1297801281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now STFU. < 1297801285 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sloth < 1297801287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it floated right? < 1297801293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Not really < 1297801293 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FUCK < 1297801294 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU < 1297801302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The Authority (ais523) demanded that it be floated right. < 1297801304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might exile you. < 1297801305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: he's underage, that's illegal < 1297801307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I haven't < 1297801311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Close enough. < 1297801316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You agreed it would create happiness! < 1297801324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind it being floated right < 1297801330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't mind it at its current location either < 1297801332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't float it right, then it could cause line-breaking in the trace for no good reason (screen width is fine, just line breaking for idiocy) < 1297801335 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....Paul the Hermit day < 1297801335 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1297801352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...how would it cause line-breaking? < 1297801366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even /my/ screen can fit the trace and video on maximum tape length. < 1297801366 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By the trace plus the animation being wider than the screen durpadurp < 1297801370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on a narrow screen, the trace and video wouldn't both fit < 1297801370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Even /my/ screen can fit the trace and video on maximum tape length. < 1297801373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's only 1440 wide :P < 1297801377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty wide < 1297801381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not really. < 1297801387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses 1024x768 any more (except maybe you) < 1297801387 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Really. < 1297801388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*3(<)*4(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*10(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*18 < 1297801403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine's 1366 < 1297801409 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 48.1 < 1297801413 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why looka this, it's almost as if I'm not making the change because fuck you! < 1297801415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last laptop was 1280 wide < 1297801430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*2(<)*4(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*9(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*19 < 1297801435 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that article makes me wish USA had an extensive and reasonably priced rail network. amtrak is comfortable, but expensive compared to flying, and doesn't go many places... < 1297801436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you at least wrap the whole player in a div so that I can hide it? < 1297801439 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 52.8 < 1297801448 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is so completely absurd, but fine. < 1297801460 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, is a black, non-animating box that distracting to you? < 1297801480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his complaint is that it pushes things down the screen < 1297801484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No. Having to scroll down to see more than three lines of trace is. < 1297801495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is exactly what I do constantly when developing warriors. < 1297801497 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The top however-many lines of trace are useless anyway X_X < 1297801503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're not. < 1297801507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see how decoys are built, etc. < 1297801517 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, I moved over and started to build a decoy < 1297801521 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo < 1297801534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott still lives in a world of small decoys, I think < 1297801540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Um, yes, because I tweak warriors. < 1297801541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Whaddya mean < 1297801555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I like to see what decoys other warriors build so that I can figure out how to effectively counter them. < 1297801558 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i don't think he'll be happy until the animation opens in a separate window when you click a button < 1297801560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it lets me see if they're setting up a tripwire, etc. < 1297801562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, the earlygame is useful. < 1297801562 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tweak warriors too. With the animation playing. And I don't go "OMG THE ANIMATION NOOOOOOSE" < 1297801567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, I just want him to wrap it in a div. < 1297801577 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6->+>(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*7(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297801580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bug closed. E_DONTCARE < 1297801580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly one (1) unit of effort. < 1297801586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1297801588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most programs are still building their second or third decoys by the time it scrolls off the screen < 1297801595 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah, was going to wrap it in a div :P < 1297801600 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 40.8 < 1297801602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not fast ones. < 1297801621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but they're rare nowadays, that's what I meant by "still lives in a world of small decoys" < 1297801632 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6->+>(<)*2(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*7(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297801632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what do you think of http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies? < 1297801640 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 50.6 < 1297801662 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6->+<(+)*12<(-)*12(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*7(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297801669 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 50.8 < 1297801670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Someone did my link suggestion, so I'm happy. But "Trace and animation" looks kinda ugly with its sorta lopsided alignment. < 1297801678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I'll create a template that expands to: < 1297801689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's templated already, just change the template < 1297801690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6->+<(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*7(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*21 < 1297801692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :''''program header thing''' • '''trace link''' < 1297801692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oooooo < 1297801693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Description < 1297801703 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 51.7 < 1297801704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of the /content/ of the page? < 1297801705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, I should use a definition list, but I don't know the wiki syntax for that.) < 1297801709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's good :P < 1297801710 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you figure out why superfast_jellyfish beats the speedies yet? :P < 1297801714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; for
, : for
< 1297801721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But using {} for examples is problematic. < 1297801728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no; I figured out why defend9.5 almost ties, though < 1297801738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1297801740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: May I suggest «...»? < 1297801744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Rather than {tripwire} and the like. < 1297801745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't write that bit < 1297801752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page isn't all mine, it's a collaborative effort < 1297801755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not psychic; you asked what I thought of the page. :p < 1297801766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to tinker with the page < 1297801772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're wrong, it isn't templated < 1297801772 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, the animation is now in a div, o annoying one. < 1297801773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the {} confused me too < 1297801775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/89da92dc7a23/Gregor_sucralose_philip.bfjoust '''Gregor_sucralose_philip'''] < 1297801775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{BFJAnim|f8c9e50f46cb1efa5723f43717ba87be36f7cd99}} < 1297801775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Description: Same as high_fructose_corn_philip, but after finding four decoys, switches to a simple two-cycle clear strategy to avoid spending too many cycles on closing loops. < 1297801782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BFJAnim is templated < 1297801786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the bit you were talking about < 1297801786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not what i want to change < 1297801791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1297801794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ''''program header thing''' • '''trace link''' < 1297801795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :Description < 1297801800 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust sm3 < < 1297801801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that could do with templating too < 1297801807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it in a minute. < 1297801808 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_sm3: 0.0 < 1297801810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*6->+>(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*2(<)*4(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*9(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*19 < 1297801818 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 54.9 < 1297801822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: did you just delete the program at the top of the leaderboard? < 1297801827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so, why? < 1297801832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and replaced it with pendolino < 1297801839 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop pushing my wonderful furry_furry_bondage_girls down :( < 1297801840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, are they basically the same? < 1297801849 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close that I'd rather not have them both < 1297801850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked them both being there, they pushed defend9.75 above wireless < 1297801852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think he uses the name sm3 for testing, then swaps that into the "real" name. < 1297801865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, actually I was going for something a bit different with sm3 < 1297801867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the mediawiki for "if this parameter exists, ..., else nothing"? < 1297801872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch < 1297801876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: X_X < 1297801882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell me that's hard < 1297801887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "correct" way to do it is {{#if:}} but that's an extension that isn't installed on Esolang < 1297801892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a crazy hacky way to do it too < 1297801892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1297801894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the hacky way. < 1297801894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust saccharin_philip < < 1297801895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me dig it up < 1297801902 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_saccharin_philip: 0.0 < 1297801927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ocnly now occurs to me that programs can safely try to clear to the end, since if they correctly clear before then, battle's over < 1297801929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How evil would it be to establish a warrior limit on the hill >: ) < 1297801937 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, per-player warrior limit. < 1297801941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: I'm trying to find it < 1297801945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Too evil. < 1297801950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: OK < 1297801954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Esp. since it'd be so easy to work around. < 1297801955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*elliott: < 1297801967 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot needs love too. < 1297801978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in "trace and animation", what is the other program? simple? < 1297801984 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot, will you be my Valentine? < 1297801986 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If unspecified. < 1297802002 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can also specify two unnamed arguments and then the second will be, err, the second. < 1297802025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in "{{foo|x|abc=def|y}}", is y {{{2}}} or {{{3}}}? < 1297802027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that invalid? < 1297802030 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i was considering the idea of a hill where people couldn't play their warriors against their other warriors. i rejected it because people seem to like to come up with ideas that can beat their old ideas (i know i do) < 1297802030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Qif < 1297802036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's {{{2}}}, but I'm not sure < 1297802047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: How would you accomplish such a concept? < 1297802052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly confusing, at least, and would better be written with named params everywhere or all the anonymous templates first < 1297802064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but the named one is the optional one < 1297802070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{BFJProg|nescience_creep| < 1297802075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abcdefdescription.}} < 1297802075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. < 1297802081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{BFJProg|nescience_creep|anim=sdfg09ug98t98rtue| < 1297802082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abcdefdescription.}} < 1297802082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1297802088 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just assume that people always submit their warriors using the same nick. but that was all hypothetical and rejected. < 1297802089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's best for long params like the description to be named < 1297802096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise the template breaks if they have an = sign in anywhere < 1297802109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, OK, I'll name it desc then. < 1297802133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if {{qif}} counts as public-domain? < 1297802142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, we might not be allowed to use it on Esolang, which would be kind-of ridiculous < 1297802149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tell me how it works < 1297802152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll reimplement it < 1297802181 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obtw, i never asked before but i've always wondered. why limes? < 1297802188 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A few programs may benefit from not setting up decoys. This normally happens with bad programs, where setting up decoys may not aid their strategy because it was a bad idea in the first place, whereas not setting up decoys can trick tripwire avoiders off the end of the tape;" < 1297802198 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I should never write a program that makes a decoy. Got it. < 1297802202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wtf@qif < 1297802206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, that would involve knowing how it works < 1297802214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm going to consider this public domain, because insanity isn't copyrightable < 1297802226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think it's just a picture Graue liked < 1297802231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't any inherent reason as far as I know < 1297802247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever NOT asked why the logo is limes :) < 1297802262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never asked < 1297802263 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so. do you think he'd let us change it to a complete and cartoonified version of careless philip the turtle? and make him our mascot? :P < 1297802268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, err, qif is worked like < 1297802275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{qif|param|ifitsthere|ifitsnot}} < 1297802276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1297802277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know how qif works < 1297802291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's {{qif|test=maybenull|then=one|else=two}} < 1297802296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1297802298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the param names are needed, the template doesn't work otherwise < 1297802306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I omit else? < 1297802315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the docs, yes < 1297802316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but you can omit then if you like < 1297802323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1297802326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1297802330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they changed it to the sane way round < 1297802333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: argh, "then= foo" strips the space? < 1297802341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1297802348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what to do?  ? :P < 1297802351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? < 1297802352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use nbsp if you can, or perhaps before the space < 1297802361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nowiki the space itself < 1297802366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks < 1297802376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, works < 1297802389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What does {{BFJAnim|abc|}} do? < 1297802392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the empty last parameter? < 1297802400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE say "works perfectly as if you didn't have an empty last parameter". < 1297802416 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no idea, depends on how MediaWiki handles empty parameters. < 1297802422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: {{{2|x}}} where 2 is empty =? < 1297802439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives x < 1297802443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas it gives the value of 2 if 2 isn't empty < 1297802447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmm, what does the second parameter to BFJAnim do? < 1297802465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to know what to call it :P < 1297802466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is the second program to be used. < 1297802467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: second param is the program to play against, "simple" or a hash in storage < 1297802469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1297802473 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "r" < 1297802475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{anim2}} then. < 1297802479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, in BFJProg. < 1297802481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1297802485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest you take a call to BFJAnim as input, btw < 1297802487 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opponent? < 1297802492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than its params individually < 1297802492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, probably the best idea < 1297802496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has several optional params < 1297802498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that < 1297802512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION converts the page to use the new template < 1297802534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: decoytuner was never top of the leaderboard, was it? I removed it from the page because it was awful and I can't believe it was #1 < 1297802540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decoytuner2 might have been, though < 1297802565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders whether to have |code= as a param to BFJProg < 1297802571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether that should be part of the descriptoin < 1297802573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*descrption < 1297802574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*descrption < 1297802577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*description < 1297802579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make it a param < 1297802580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for flexibility < 1297802583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I only added things that were #1. < 1297802586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the animation thing is awesome < 1297802588 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1297802593 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why thank you :P < 1297802595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, some have code because they're short, some have links because they're long < 1297802606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think you might have made a mistake < 1297802611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right; well, I will have |code= and |codeurl= then < 1297802615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decoytuner, the original, never went anywhere < 1297802622 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Impossible!: P < 1297802631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe |url= instead of |codeurl= < 1297802669 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pendolino -(>)*7->+(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*2(<)*4(+)*23<(-)*23(<(-)*30<(+)*30)*2(>)*10(>[-([+{[(+)*8[-].[.+]]}])%3])*19 < 1297802716 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_pendolino: 54.7 < 1297802733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, nobody edit [[BF Joust strategies]] < 1297802740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid conflicts? < 1297802750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1297802756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, the code of these programs aren't in < 1297802764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have >+>->+>->+>->+(>-++-(.)*132[+]++>-++-(.)*132[-]--)*15 < 1297802791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|desc= A very slow rush that leaves a trail of small decoys, using a simple clear.}} < 1297802792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks nice enough to use < 1297802802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in verbatim blocks, that's what the leading space does < 1297802803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts the code on a separate line < 1297802810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1297802816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: need nowiki with the template, though < 1297802820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it handles the display itself < 1297802820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should enclose them in
 if you're using the template, I think
< 1297802825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different sort of verbatim block
< 1297802829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has an implicit nowiki
< 1297802838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the template might want to display it outside of a pre, though!
< 1297802839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this is not what 
 actually means in HTML)
< 1297802843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it uses  right now)
< 1297802845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hmm, OK
< 1297802854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, the template doesn't work
< 1297802858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because qif doesn't work
< 1297802883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1297802884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd
< 1297802893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the invocation looks OK to me
< 1297802931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{{anim}}} should probably be {{{anim|}}} in case an animation isn't available or can't easily be produced
< 1297802945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;{{qif|test={{{url}}}|then=[{{{url}}} {{{1}}}]|else={{{1}}}}}{{qif|test={{{anim}}}|then= • {{{anim}}}}}{{qif|test={{{code}}}|then={{{code}}}}}
< 1297802949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah
< 1297802953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so I need to do that even with qif?
< 1297802954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :P
< 1297802955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was going to add ones for some of the early winners, but it turns out that they lose to even simple programs; I can't think back far enough to create something they beat and still looks plausible)
< 1297802969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: test param of qif definitely needs an empty param default
< 1297802979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anim doesn't have a value, {{{anim}}} is literally {{{anim}}}
< 1297802991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and {{{anim|}}} is the null string, which is what you probably wanted
< 1297803002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1297803019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wtfs
< 1297803023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Code:" in a qif parameter ->
< 1297803024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code
< 1297803025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::foo
< 1297803027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behaviour
< 1297803032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nowikis
< 1297803044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: : doesn't just trigger at the start of the line, that's correct
< 1297803045 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1297803049 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1297803049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of going
< 1297803049 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host
< 1297803049 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1297803052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;title
< 1297803054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::definition
< 1297803056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also go
< 1297803059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;title:definition
< 1297803065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1297803069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a misfeature, but it's how it parses nonetheless
< 1297803080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, there's a ; at the start of that line, so...
< 1297803125 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I feel dizzy?
< 1297803131 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not dizzy
< 1297803133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the philips have fallen down the leaderboard a lot
< 1297803134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it's working now
< 1297803134 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just.. weird
< 1297803154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened there? people engaging in anti-careless strategies?
< 1297803168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :careless itself is halfway down, it was near the top yesterday
< 1297803188 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/reports/report-2011-02-11-05-07.txt
< 1297803217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Since most of my strategies have careless cores, anticareless has done well :P
< 1297803221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that was a different version of decoytuner than the one you put on the wiki, I think
< 1297803237 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah; I just checked what was the top, then grabbed the latest thing with that name.
< 1297803251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, another bug in BFJProg
< 1297803252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that version was a turtle, the one you put on the wiki wasn't
< 1297803300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite amazed that we have creative strategy names :P
< 1297803328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we need people who aren't ais523 to do well :P
< 1297803347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I see the problem
< 1297803351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{BFJProg|foo
< 1297803351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use creative names for my /strategies/ (lock, etc); just not for my /programs/
< 1297803354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| abc = def}}
< 1297803362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{{{abc}}} {{{1}}}]
< 1297803365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{{1}}} ends with a newline
< 1297803368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "strip" template? :P
< 1297803379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to remove newlines from template params
< 1297803383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do foo
< 1297803385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=param
< 1297803390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, not sure
< 1297803396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even foo= on a line and the param on the next
< 1297803396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh?
< 1297803397 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use creative names for my programs (ridiculous and scary is creative, right?), but don't use creative names for my strategies since i just steal.
< 1297803405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki template newline handling is insane
< 1297803406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "turtle"
< 1297803421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's called "careless clear" on the wiki after the first program to be successful with it
< 1297803424 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I accidentally reinvented careless with turtle :P
< 1297803433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turtle is a better name, though
< 1297803438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I think the terminology seems to be that "turtle" is the program type and "careless" the strategy it uses
< 1297803444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1297803447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. turtles are careless
< 1297803486 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1297803509 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dumb_turtle (>[(-)*128])*-1
< 1297803521 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's a really bad idea, come to think of it
< 1297803534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you might want to put a + after the > so that the loop is actually entered
< 1297803545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and might also want to rule-of-nine it
< 1297803554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An obvious modification of slowrush, possibly of an earlier version."
< 1297803557 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want the loop to be entered until I'm on some value
< 1297803562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC "reversi" = "reversed" = flipped polarity
< 1297803564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ah, that makes sense
< 1297803568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of slowrush
< 1297803578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put > after the 128 then
< 1297803579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have been of an old version, but IIRC after stealing programs I used to tweak them
< 1297803581 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait, even if I win, I'm going to rush off the edge, aren't I?
< 1297803584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't end up oscillating on a 1-valued decoy
< 1297803588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, .> after the 128
< 1297803589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME TO GO HOME AND DRINK SOME MORE SODA WOOH
< 1297803595 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go home now
< 1297803596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't fall off the end if you win, ] takes a tick
< 1297803606 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1297803606 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1297803607 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1297803607 0 :Mannerisky!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1297803608 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1297803612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the first thing you hit isn't a flag, you'll go into an infinite loop
< 1297803617 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwhat at Sgeo
< 1297803629 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the dumb
< 1297803635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I'm going to go home now <-- Sgeo has left this server (*.net *.split).
< 1297803637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such perfect timing
< 1297803649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it was the other nick, it'd have been even better
< 1297803673 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye
< 1297803679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1297803684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An alternating polarity offset clear that leaves no decoys and takes forever to reach the other flag. It's a wonder this thing ever won."
< 1297803687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1297803692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bye?
< 1297803696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sgeo
< 1297803698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1297803700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sgeo
< 1297803713 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :307)  I'm going to go home now <-- Sgeo has left this server (*.net *.split).
< 1297803731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I'm pretty sure that Patashu_rushpolarity is slowrush polarity'd
< 1297803735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least some rush polarity'd
< 1297803736 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Sgeo__dumb_turtle: 16.6
< 1297803751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it alternates polarity on adjacent tape elements, I think
< 1297803755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1297803756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid its polarity being detected
< 1297803760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still on the hill?
< 1297803781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in fact it's sixth
< 1297803807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a pain to beat when writing defense programs, so people normally don't bother
< 1297803811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saves the template conversion so far
< 1297803813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does quite well against the prevalent strategies nowadays
< 1297803815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to do the rest
< 1297803845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is beatable though, e.g. defend9.75 beats it and space_elevator for the same reason
< 1297803857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does 9.75 do?
< 1297803871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically defend9 updated to modern strategies
< 1297803882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it detects enemy polarity and cycle length
< 1297803890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then uses a lock algorithm matched to what the enemy does
< 1297803908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also sets seven decoys, three of which are also used as tripwires, and switches to a five-cycle clear versus defence
< 1297803929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has all sorts of tricks to beat other common strategies
< 1297803939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1297804009 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys. i just realized the current top 3 are in a cycle with each other. pendolino>sm3>space_elevator>pendolino
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< 1297804037 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1297804045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: heh
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< 1297804051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fourth beats all three of them
< 1297804092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.75 is a limited strategy in a way; there are countermeasures against it you take that it can't be modified to beat without changing the whole concept or crippling it heavily against most other programs
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< 1297804187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no description for space_elevator
< 1297804188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds one
< 1297804195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| desc = Utterly insane.}}
< 1297804212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the desc should be by the author and explain exactly how it works
< 1297804227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a pretty good idea of how it works, as I've studied a whole bunch of methods for countering it, from the specific to the generic
< 1297804239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But until such a description is written, it stays like that :P
< 1297804245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you studied ICA's? :P
< 1297804269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :template conversion done
< 1297804293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't studied ICA's yet, but they're the sort of thing I don't like to try to beat
< 1297804301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *it's
< 1297804307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and why not?
< 1297804311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a specific program targeter
< 1297804313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a confuser
< 1297804330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a defence program should try and get multiple readings of cycle length in different situations?
< 1297804336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because I'm bad at beating confusers
< 1297804343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defence programs lose to rush if they do that
< 1297804383 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: i've got a fixed point algorithm for scoring. it's so simple you won't believe it
< 1297804393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Is it mine? :P
< 1297804395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Gregor's, and how it works with the hill
< 1297804403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Gregor wants it to be fixed-point
< 1297804405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would work the same way
< 1297804407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except be recursive
< 1297804409 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, except you divide by the number of programs
< 1297804414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's what I said ...
< 1297804418 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't divide
< 1297804420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1297804423 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just leave it
< 1297804424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Surely that saturates?!
< 1297804425 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works
< 1297804428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1297804431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And differs from the points?
< 1297804435 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1297804437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, looks like I have both highest negative-points and lowest positive-points programs on the hill
< 1297804460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: S(p) := sum S(q) for all q that p beats, where S(x) is initially taken as P(p).
< 1297804465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: quintopia says this is fixed-point, as unlikely as that sounds.
< 1297804497 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to this algorithm 9.75 is easily the best program in the top 5 (which is exactly what we'd expect)
< 1297804506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good
< 1297804545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: got a closed-form way to calculate it? :P
< 1297804584 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, it's not fixed point. i was mistaken XD. it cycles because the top 3 are cyclical
< 1297804590 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to resolve that
< 1297804602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If you visit the same program twice, the second time, return score 0.
< 1297804616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Try with that
< 1297804634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Basically for any call of S(p) keep a bag for that call and its sub-calls :P
< 1297804645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you ever recurse on a program that you've already seen, return 0.
< 1297804657 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that requires work. right now i'm just multiplying a matrix by a vector repeatedly.
< 1297804667 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want me to write an actual *algorithm*
< 1297804676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: A dumb recursive algorithm is not much of an algorithm :P
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< 1297804701 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not dumb if you're making it dynamic programming
< 1297804711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Don't then.
< 1297804728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1297804755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like being at #1, it makes people target me
< 1297804756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Or, even better idea: If you get called upon to return the score of a program you've already seen, return its score per the last iteration.
< 1297804762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suppose it's nice to be there occasionally
< 1297804833 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grawr.
< 1297804835 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq
< 1297804853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did pikhq ever joust? I can't remember
< 1297804860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope!
< 1297804879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a jouster in PEBBLE :P
< 1297804887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hideous inefficiency awaits
< 1297804895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd involve writing a new backend.
< 1297804907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY?
< 1297804910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid BF = valid BF Joust.
< 1297804915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind.
< 1297804923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Funny thing is, PEBBLE is one of the more efficient high-level languages targetting Brainfuck.
< 1297804926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ()* and ()% are just conveniences :P
< 1297804944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()* and ()% could probably be added with ease.
< 1297804956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, BF Joust doesn't follow normal programming physics
< 1297804978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assigning to a variable then checking several times that its value is still the same would normally be considered insane
< 1297804984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's par for the course when jousting
< 1297804993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably helps a lot that PEBBLE is higher-level than Brainfuck but still *insanely* low-leve.
< 1297805006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low-level, rather.
< 1297805018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have normal conditionals!
< 1297805038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but BF Joust makes assumptions like ais523 said :P
< 1297805055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe a Joust-specific set of macros would be handy.
< 1297805062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1cnis would make a good BF Joust preprocessor, IMO
< 1297805064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, sure it makes sense, some people actually think that writing code like that is _sane_
< 1297805071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see: people who think shared memory is a good idea (crazy people)
< 1297805072 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how about iterating until it sees a scoreboard its seen before and then averaging the entire cycle?
< 1297805079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is, PEBBLE is really little more than a macro system for Brainfuck.
< 1297805084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shared memory concurrency, that is
< 1297805088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if that works, then sure
< 1297805090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: try it
< 1297805092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro system would be nice too
< 1297805097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. defend9.25 has two almost identical halves
< 1297805098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... With optional variable support.
< 1297805108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one bug I came across was changing things in one half but not the other
< 1297805115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double reverse tripwire programs are like that
< 1297805124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and using one reverse tripwire tends not to work well IME)
< 1297805132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but will that work if only the top four are cyclic? it might be thousands of scoreboards before you see the exact same scoreboard
< 1297805139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the butterfly effect on the programs below
< 1297805156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even millions
< 1297805164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, ()% is already pretty powerful
< 1297805168 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it would be a very unusual scoreboard with a cycle that long
< 1297805177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and a macro language would probably end up insane, vs. using a program to generate
< 1297805180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed
< 1297805184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but only the four top cycles
< 1297805186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the rest don't
< 1297805192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while the first four could go around in a tight cycle
< 1297805196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs below could change constantly
< 1297805197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of those changes
< 1297805204 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't think so
< 1297805219 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think everything that isn't actually in a cycle will settle down
< 1297805249 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cyclical ones just trade fractions of points with one another after that
< 1297805271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, but the other programs' scores are based on the top four
< 1297805277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when they trade, the ones below trade too
< 1297805283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly in a way that takes longer to cycle
< 1297805423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SodaStream's Pete's Choice and Diet Pete's Choice may be better than Dr. Pepper and Diet Dr. Pepper, respectively.
< 1297805449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1297805461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *Dr, btw
< 1297805461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no .
< 1297805466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh wait, over in the US of A your soft drinks are all HFCS.
< 1297805472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try sugar Dr Pepper, I hear it's a rarity there.
< 1297805476 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have you tried making a Coke-alike?
< 1297805490 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tis called silly marketing
< 1297805490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Not myself, Cola is really complicated.
< 1297805492 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i mean this recipe: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110215/ts_yblog_thelookout/did-nprs-this-american-life-discover-cokes-secret-formulahttp://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110215/ts_yblog_thelookout/did-nprs-this-american-life-discover-cokes-secret-formula
< 1297805493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1297805495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna say.
< 1297805498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cola is fucking complicated :P
< 1297805501 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1297805503 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doublelink
< 1297805503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even OpenCola looks like a pain.
< 1297805506 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry
< 1297805511 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In spite of the "article", that's not new news :P
< 1297805514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Did they actually reveal the recipe or just the ingredients?
< 1297805519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ingredients are irrelevant.
< 1297805533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.colawp.com/colas/400/cola467_recipe.html = OpenCola
< 1297805536 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not news, it's just a place on the internet you can find a cokealike recipe
< 1297805536 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Article not found or expired on Yahoo! News
< 1297805542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try and make OpenCola sometime
< 1297805544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: not my link...
< 1297805546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia's
< 1297805549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://www.colawp.com/colas/400/cola467_recipe.html
< 1297805552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenCola ftw
< 1297805553 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of colas *shrugs*
< 1297805555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola_(drink) )
< 1297805567 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't click the link. copy and paste the first half of the link
< 1297805574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1297805580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VARIABLE THINKS I'M QUINTOPIA
< 1297805583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTOPIA THINKS I'M VARIABLE
< 1297805586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUY AN IRC CLIENT YOU GUYS
< 1297805591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that distinguishes names :P
< 1297805603 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110215/ts_yblog_thelookout/did-nprs-this-american-life-discover-cokes-secret-formula
< 1297805606 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1297805608 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it not doubled
< 1297805609 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez
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< 1297805625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ALSO: Making Coca-Cola is illegal.
< 1297805632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cuz good fucking luck buying coca leaves, dude.
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< 1297805637 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1297805645 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how about I preface every statement in this channel with your name?
< 1297805646 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coca-cola uses cocaine free coca leaves
< 1297805650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes.
< 1297805651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's perfectly legal to
< 1297805653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Which aren't sold to anyone else.
< 1297805674 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my client makes you and variable the same color. everyone else is different
< 1297805675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which kinda puts a stopper on the idea.
< 1297805703 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's impossible to acquire them?
< 1297805712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Pretty damn sure.
< 1297805733 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they do that?
< 1297805736 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :money?
< 1297805737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: This, quite understandably, riles some people up.
< 1297805742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Um, yes, money.
< 1297805747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coca-Cola is a friggin' huge corporation.
< 1297805752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Because cocaine is naturally present in coca leaves, today's Coca-Cola uses "spent," or treated, coca leaves, those that have been through a cocaine extraction process, to flavor the beverage. The coca leaves are imported from countries like Peru and Bolivia, and they are treated by chemical company Stepan, which then sells the de-cocainized residue to Coca-Cola.[3] Some contend that this process cannot extract all of the cocaine alkaloids at a
< 1297805752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : molecular level, and so the drink still contains trace amounts of the stimulant.[1][4] The Coca-Cola Company currently refuses to comment on the continued presence of coca leaf in Coca-Cola.[5][6]]]
< 1297805761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr all they have to do is tell Stepan not to sell them to anyone else.
< 1297805771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My client doesn't color people, and yet I never seem to get them confused.
< 1297805773 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ba-dum ching*
< 1297805788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that was a strange choice of nick to ping
< 1297805789 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bah. what's stopping a different company from doing that extraction process?
< 1297805793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm pretty sure you need Special Permission(TM) to treat the coca leaves too, considering they, you know, have cocaine in them.
< 1297805802 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny note about Coca-Cola - the branch is worth so much that if their factories burnt down they could borrow against their name to rebuild
< 1297805810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (This is reddit-accuracy-level information, but the logic checks out.)
< 1297805818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ((I literally read it on reddit :P))
< 1297805855 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why not buy spent coca leaves from drug cartels? then you haven't bought illegal coca leaves or done the illegal extraction yourself
< 1297805866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEALING WITH DRUG CARTELS: Totally legal
< 1297805875 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it not? :P
< 1297805882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't... think so X-D
< 1297805883 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: considering that you didn't buy anything illegal...
< 1297805891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so, unless you have tons of money, like everything.
< 1297805891 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1297805896 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would just be financing them
< 1297805898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but are the drug cartels doing business legally?
< 1297805909 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deal with the Yakuza.
< 1297805910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you knowingly did business with drug cartels who aren't doing business legally, that would be illegal.
< 1297805914 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter what they do with your money. that's them being illegal, not you
< 1297805918 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They *are* in fact perfectly legitimate businessmen..
< 1297805919 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1297805933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY, point is that an _individual_ is never gonna be able to legally make Coca-Cola because of this :P
< 1297805941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm sure knowingly funding illegal activities is illegal, dude.
< 1297805948 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In certain jurisdictions.
< 1297805949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that you're actually BUYING the results of an illegal activity.
< 1297805952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than it just being indirect.
< 1297805967 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: its not illegal to pay for something in cash if you know the store owner won't pay taxes on it
< 1297806001 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IANAL)
< 1297806018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Drug cartel = people who don't pay taxes! :P
< 1297806047 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: note the word _not_
< 1297806056 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1297806065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: right
< 1297806073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm saying that I'm not sure the situation is comparable :P
< 1297806078 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1297806094 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has to go for a bit
< 1297806138 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a T-Rex is Lonely comic queued that is ... so bad. So, so bad. Good bad, that is. So bad.
< 1297806186 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In many South American countries it is actually entirely legal to grow and consume coca leaves.
< 1297806190 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq
< 1297806192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1297806200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to make Coca-Cola, move to South America :P
< 1297806217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Link :P
< 1297806224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I shouldn't! It's queued!
< 1297806230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WE WON'T TELL.
< 1297806231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this discussion makes me want to illegally make some coca-cola
< 1297806242 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe I'll PM if you convince me :P
< 1297806242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:17:17  Phantom_Hoover: nah theres australia mmmmmmmmate!!!! causes hallucinations, and you didn't reply directly to you kz 2!
< 1297806243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Australia: Causes hallucinations, mmmmmmmmate!!!!
< 1297806258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I would tell absolutely ZERO people, which is ONE LESS THAN ONE (but ONE MORE THAN NEGATIVE ONE).
< 1297806323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inexplicably, coca leaves in *most* countries are treated identically to cocaine.
< 1297806431 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: i think only putting "champion" programs on the wiki makes it so that we'll never see any of ais523's awesome defenders there since they can't really be champions.
< 1297806453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: several of my defenders are there already
< 1297806454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: #1s was just a baseline.
< 1297806460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend13 was champion for a time, IIRC
< 1297806462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems a bit like banning rye bread because LSD can be synthesized from ergot.
< 1297806480 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergotamine -> lysergic acid? really?
< 1297806490 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never paid much attention to that
< 1297806493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That is how it was originally synthesized, actually.
< 1297806502 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably knew that at one point
< 1297806508 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was studying it
< 1297806516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rye bread might have relatively more legal uses than cocaine
< 1297806524 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or banning hemp >.<
< 1297806538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: *than coca leaves
< 1297806543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right :-D
< 1297806546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does making cola count?
< 1297806549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1297806559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ooh, but what about getting high?
< 1297806560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait...
< 1297806597 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's possible to breed a coca plant that tastes the same but doesn't produce cocaine
< 1297806629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coca-Cola might contain coca but I don't think other colas do
< 1297806644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Wouldn't it be simpler to legalise cocaine :P
< 1297806645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Before extracting cocaine from the leaves became possible/common, consuming the leaves straight was a very common and not-very-notable thing...
< 1297806656 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be false advertising if coca-cola did not contain coca!
< 1297806666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah isn't there that stuff about all the KULCHURES complaining about people wanting to ban chewing coca leaves
< 1297806680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the quantities of cocaine one gets from there, it's really no different than caffeine.
< 1297806709 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should try to do cocaine extraction from coca-cola...
< 1297806740 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So was slavery but we still prefer to not do it these days
< 1297806746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's been no documented addictions to coca leaves.
< 1297806753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the United States, Stepan Company is the only manufacturing plant authorized by the Federal Government to import and process the coca plant"
< 1297806755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOLD YOU
< 1297806774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US: Bullshit, or total bullshit?? You decide
< 1297806775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sure we do; we just call it different things.
< 1297806779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "minimum wage".
< 1297806795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum wage is ... slavery? :wat:
< 1297806796 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any other company that would try would be stopped, of course, because coca-cola would pay to have it stopped
< 1297806804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the kind of thing a libertarian crackpot would say :P
< 1297806806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "Some contend that this process cannot extract all of the cocaine alkaloids at a molecular level, and so the drink still contains trace amounts of the stimulant.[1][4] The Coca-Cola Company currently refuses to comment on the continued presence of coca leaf in Coca-Cola.[5][6]"
< 1297806811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Minimum wage in the US is not a living wage.
< 1297806815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Depending on how crackpotty Mr. Some is, you could possibly do it.
< 1297806815 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We don't have that in this country :-P
< 1297806816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right.
< 1297806832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ha ha, Finland, you crazy.
< 1297806861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, you just have strong unions.
< 1297806879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Which gets the same effect and makes the "small government" wackos' heads explode.
< 1297806887 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in fact impossible to set minimum wage to a living wage as all increases in minimum wage result in increased cost of living
< 1297806894 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this country i mean
< 1297806916 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with changes in other laws it might could be done
< 1297806919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That suggests some major economic brokenness.
< 1297806930 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it is broken. you didn't know this?
< 1297806963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, I *am* actually aware that the US economy is really broken by now...
< 1297806969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Unions don't make small government wackos' head explode.
< 1297806975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How can something they've outlawed confuse them? :)
< 1297806981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unions *instead of* a government, however?
< 1297807012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you proposing some kind of unionocracy? :P
< 1297807015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "The government is not involved but there's unions... MY HEAD ASPLODE!"
< 1297807028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As bad ideas go, unionocracy sounds pretty bad.
< 1297807032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe the proper term for that is "democracy", actually. :P
< 1297807048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm mistaken, democracy means one thing, and what it means is not what unionocracy would mean were it in the dictionary.
< 1297807075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1297807091 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1297807233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration_fool_faster >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127.(-+)*50000
< 1297807257 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_vibration_fool_faster: 23.8
< 1297807264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad for a winner from ages ago
< 1297807270 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice job
< 1297807276 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1297807278 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you knocked our last shudderer off :P
< 1297807281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it beats defend9.5
< 1297807286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THOU ART MISTAKEN.
< 1297807291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FOR I HATH DECREED IT.
< 1297807298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good_vibrations is still there; is it a shudderer or a vibrator?
< 1297807314 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1297807317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I believe I readded vibration_fool_faster ages ago
< 1297807318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Gregor
< 1297807321 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was at the bottom last i checked
< 1297807325 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be gone soon
< 1297807337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you didn't re-add an exact copy
< 1297807340 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hath is present tense. you mean "did decree"
< 1297807345 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: elliott_return_of_vibration_fool_fasting_because_it_is_lent_mathematica_edition.bfjoust
< 1297807347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it gets a different score from the actual VFF
< 1297807350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I did; must have been a different version
< 1297807351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1297807352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's not VFF
< 1297807355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor_julius_freezer is a shudderer
< 1297807360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my modification of VFF resubmitted
< 1297807362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was literally called that
< 1297807368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1297807371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how did you modify it?
< 1297807376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Randomly, probably
< 1297807379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think that's the only related one you've added
< 1297807379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1297807380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how it was Mathematica edition
< 1297807392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's still on the hill, though, relatively high up too
< 1297807401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42  31   23.36   -7.24  elliott_return_of_vibration_fool_fasting_because_it_is_lent_mathematica_edition.bfjoust
< 1297807403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, not so high.
< 1297807414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 41  22   23.70   -3.55  ais523_defend9_5.bfjoust
< 1297807418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, 9.5 must have been pretty bad
< 1297807425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't /bad/, but it's passive
< 1297807431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tends to make programs score badly
< 1297807440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also vulnerable to turtles, and there are a bunch of those around
< 1297807452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.75 is just 9.5 with those weaknesses fixed, and look how much better it's doing
< 1297807485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, strangely 9.5 beats decoybooster2 and 9.75 doesn't, but that's the only exception to 9.75 beating or tying 9.5
< 1297807486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the next Debian release will be called wheezy
< 1297807489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty bad name
< 1297807507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, 9.5 beats 9.75, but I can manipulate that result trivially)
< 1297807512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:16:29  $ du -h furry_furry_dominance_girls.bfjoust
< 1297807512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:16:29   71M	furry_furry_dominance_girls.bfjoust
< 1297807513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:16:32  Hahawhoops
< 1297807513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:23:37  that could take a while to run
< 1297807513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:23:40  even in lance
< 1297807517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, lance would tell Gregor that program is too big X-D
< 1297807529 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does the definder sequence ever go to zero if the opponent is not changing the flag?
< 1297807535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:59:09  http://i.min.us/il4KQQ.jpg
< 1297807535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:59:19  I don't think this person realises that this already exists and it's hideous.
< 1297807536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I use to use that user javascript
< 1297807538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was horrible and annoying
< 1297807540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i removed it
< 1297807548 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, go to zero and stop there
< 1297807548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I know why it happens, I think I might even have done it that way round deliberately)
< 1297807551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" heh, I use to use that user javascript" wtf
< 1297807551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523: that one that gave an orange box of any page link you hovered over)
< 1297807556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (ais523: that one that gave an orange box of any page link you hovered over)
< 1297807561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You put it in your monobook.js.
< 1297807570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the original doesn't; definder2 does, IIRC
< 1297807578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:30:27  We should set a size limit :P
< 1297807578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:30:29  Maybe 640K
< 1297807585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lance's is 1 Mio I think.
< 1297807588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ha, stole the o stuff from Deewiant)
< 1297807592 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thief
< 1297807594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :640K instruction characters, not input characters.
< 1297807636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mibioctet?
< 1297807641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mebioctet
< 1297807642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep
< 1297807642 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mebi*
< 1297807645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1297807651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mibicotet would be, umm, 1/1024th of an octet?
< 1297807652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But do you say kio or Kio?
< 1297807660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:39:53  look what digging up my browser history brought
< 1297807660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:40:00  an old paste with vagrant on it
< 1297807660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolleyes
< 1297807661 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kibi is Ki
< 1297807667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But that's Inconsistent.
< 1297807672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kibi is Ki.
< 1297807675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (And not SI standard anyway, so it's irrelevant,)
< 1297807677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*irrelevant.
< 1297807680 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you ever test the original definder without the tripwire, egodeath style?
< 1297807692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Who cares what the IEC says :P
< 1297807695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: *Nyarlathotep style?
< 1297807697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ki is far more consistent.
< 1297807700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I don't think I did
< 1297807706 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egodeath did it too iirc
< 1297807711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k is inconsistent in the first place :-P
< 1297807719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But it's SI, and SI standards are unquestionable.
< 1297807724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the timings would be off if the opponent took more than 98 turns to turn up
< 1297807726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happens quite a lot
< 1297807755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how I can say "34 kb" to mean 4.15 kio :P
< 1297807760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCH CONFUSE
< 1297807765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kilobits)
< 1297807766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kilobels?
< 1297807770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's B
< 1297807773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kilobits, bits is lowercase b
< 1297807779 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can determine the most likely moment for the opponent to show up by examining timings on the current hill and just wait that long
< 1297807795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wow that'd be overspecific to the current hill
< 1297807799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such programs tend to do badly
< 1297807864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to use "1 do" to mean 0.8 b.
< 1297807870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(decioctet)
< 1297807888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh yeah, that's about 100 dos" = "Oh yeah, that's about 10 bits".
< 1297807889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO CONFUSING
< 1297807891 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i doubt it would be actually. i suspect an average of timings over the current hill would be well-suited to the future as well. however, i expect that it would do badly in any case, i was just wondering how badly
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< 1297807938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Gregor
< 1297807940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your template is broken
< 1297807941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?ap&l=5d19f8ddd438f31e319b3e7e33b7f06cd4d444d7&r=simple&t=25{{{p}}}"
< 1297807947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need {{{p|}}}
< 1297807956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, preferably, {{qif|test={{{p|}}}|then=&p}}
< 1297807964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can just do |p=1 in the template invocation.
< 1297807967 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just use |t=32&p
< 1297807970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission to fix?
< 1297807972 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh ... I don't think I put {{{p}}} there ...
< 1297807972 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works i promise
< 1297807975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You totally did.
< 1297807977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or someone did.
< 1297807978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me.
< 1297807990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add {{{p}}} support anyway :P
< 1297807992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, fix it.
< 1297807998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cur) (last)  17:38, 15 February 2011 Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (add option to allow polarity invert)
< 1297807999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame found
< 1297808011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was just going to fix that, because I just noticed it unrelatedly to you telling me
< 1297808017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO BAD ALREADY FIXED
< 1297808027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1297808029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed edit
< 1297808036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1297808039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki is so slow
< 1297808053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I got there first
< 1297808062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you fixed it wrong, though :P
< 1297808065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes properly
< 1297808078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not going to use qif, are you?
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< 1297808089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ALREADY DID
< 1297808094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Christmas in a template.
< 1297808112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed the article too.
< 1297808114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(removed &p stuff)
< 1297808119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1297808123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can't you just make the p parameter take either "sieve" or "kettle"? :P
< 1297808126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be far, you know, saner.
< 1297808135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we could just do &p={{{p|sieve}}}
< 1297808136 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could. I choose not to. To make you hurt.
< 1297808169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh )
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< 1297809081 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1297809514 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
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< 1297809954 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1297810251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian sid is currently completely uninstallable.
< 1297810264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"linux-image-2.6-686 : Depends: linux-image-2.6.37-1-686 but it is not installable"
< 1297810357 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need sid? what's it got that squeeze ain't got?
< 1297810403 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Debian sid is always uninstallable.
< 1297810405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: *wheezy, surely.
< 1297810407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Untrue.
< 1297810407 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq
< 1297810419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The debian-installer nightly businesscard images offer sid installation.
< 1297810422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not guaranteed to ever work :P
< 1297810426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, never mind.
< 1297810432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: squeeze is the current stable release (i.e. will rapidly become a dinosaur).
< 1297810439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wheezy is the current testing release.
< 1297810444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I want to install sid because I'm ker-azy.
< 1297810449 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1297810450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squeeze is *slightly* out-of-date as-is.
< 1297810453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because wheezy isn't even security-team-supported right now.
< 1297810456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'd be a waste of time :P
< 1297810508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: Failure when configuring base packages."
< 1297810517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sid installed yesterday, but wouldn't boot :-D
< 1297810519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it won't even install
< 1297810576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sid is probably all sorts of crazy right now.
< 1297810585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The technical term is "fun".
< 1297810599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries linux-image-2.6.32-5-686. Specificity will set you free!
< 1297810615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woop, seems to be working.
< 1297810625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As they're probably putting in every single package that couldn't make it in during the Squeeze testing freeze.
< 1297810687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy tenth birthday, All Your Base.
< 1297810738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The freeze model is a bit broken.
< 1297810776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeaaah.
< 1297810842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd make a bit more sense, IMO, to have testing as a rolling release model, fork for a stable release, and do bug fixes on that fork.
< 1297810874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just have a stable rolling release :P ... nah, that would be impossible with Modern Linux.
< 1297810896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're deluded enough to think that every software will support udeviceHALKit the day it comes out.
< 1297810906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, indeed, before its predecessor removed entirely.)
< 1297810909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is removed
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< 1297811237 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1297811337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1297811442 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the strategies I've tried for furry_furry_leather_discipline_girls have gone awry >_>
< 1297811464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what comes after furry_furry_leather_discipline_girls?
< 1297811470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared.
< 1297811476 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1297811530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>: )
< 1297811530 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1297811547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a list, but then I start to run low on femdom-inspired sexual fetishes ...
< 1297811563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1297811571 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just select words at random, then?
< 1297811587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furry_furry_exegesis_girls
< 1297811590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DO IT
< 1297811721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Shouldn't run out of fetishes in general, though.
< 1297811742 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The furry furry girls are dominatrixes :P
< 1297811758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're not the ones in bondage, you are)
< 1297811839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they just furry, or furry furry?
< 1297811861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're furry furries.
< 1297812033 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can comprehend how furry they are.
< 1297812064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was stating that they are furry (as in very, very hairy) and furry (as in the subculture).
< 1297812122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Comment on the hairiness of the aforementioned girls?
< 1297812136 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the latter.
< 1297812151 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a normal, human amount of hair.
< 1297812162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which they may or may not do less with than the average western female.
< 1297812186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Awww*.
< 1297812219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was imagining near-apes in fursuits.
< 1297812443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But they have reaaaaally long armpit hair, right?
< 1297812455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, they could fashion a cushion out of it and sit on it.
< 1297812460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be pretty darn furry.
< 1297812462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, keep your fetishes to yourself.
< 1297812465 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They've got their own.
< 1297812471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I never said it was my fetish.
< 1297812485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I simply state that furry people in fursuits would be funny.
< 1297812502 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   
< 1297812511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1297812530 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, sorry, I think I wrote it wrong by mistake
< 1297812612 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now answer my question
< 1297812669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What question
< 1297812684 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This question?
< 1297812692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1297812764 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that isn't the question. The question is, how to figure out what other people that are interested with TeXnicard to comment/help?
< 1297812895 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do I fix the lights in the keyboard?
< 1297813088 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried finding other people for you zzo38 but it means finding someone like you, and so no such person exists
< 1297813182 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: At least you tried. However, maybe there are people interested in these kind of things if you want to make high-quality card game... . If you cannot answer that, however, can you answer the other question about how fix the lights in the keyboard?
< 1297813275 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How am I supposed to find the people interested in this cards, by myself?
< 1297813314 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask on forums where geeky people frequent
< 1297813367 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you disassemble your keyboard you can maybefigure out what's wrong and fix it
< 1297813433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah, I've upped my fail and generated 400MB :P
< 1297813469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So if lance supports 400 meg programs...
< 1297813584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, maybe I should actually work on lance :P
< 1297813590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll... do that now.
< 1297813673 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we should set a hard instruction limit (unexpanded)
< 1297813715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yah, but what? I don't want to make it a hard forever rule :P
< 1297813716 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unexpanded 64K fits everything we have currently
< 1297813721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a 700K program would be fine, for instance.
< 1297813724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind generation.
< 1297813740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anything that can feasibly be downloaded from the Internet in 30 seconds from EgoBot", say :P
< 1297813752 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make a new instruction set that makes these kind of constructs more compact and set the limit on that one
< 1297813752 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard, /static/ limit X-P
< 1297813758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo
< 1297813763 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No exponential programs.
< 1297813768 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrolling is a lame strategy.
< 1297813871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We already have exponential programs with lance (which differentiates between * and %).
< 1297813907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a rather silly definition of "exponential programs" :P
< 1297813916 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I don't want you to be able to go too far just by always knowing exactly where you are.
< 1297813933 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1297813935 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1297813951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It would be nice to have something that lets us transform [a[b[c[d]]]]x into [a[b[c[d]x]x]x]x :P
< 1297813956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To "break out of a loop".)
< 1297813962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's "cheating", but... a hard limit irks me.
< 1297813968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator is awesome. But not unbeatable.
< 1297813969 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my subroutine idea frex
< 1297813980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I prefer things that are essentially string rewriting, but optimised :P
< 1297813985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't think a hard limit will prevent any god strategies.
< 1297813990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there _are_ any unbeatable programs.
< 1297814011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, of course not, but things start getting totally impossible to understand once the program is just a loop-unrolled mess of nonsense.
< 1297814017 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's what it was. a construct that implements subroutines by string rewriting
< 1297814034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The rules aren't based on your pitiful mind's tiny capacity :P
< 1297814043 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm preventing MYSELF here.
< 1297814046 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'M writing programs that do this.
< 1297814052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve!
< 1297814055 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'M trying to make sure that this retard strategy doesn't work.
< 1297814058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think open-sourcing the generators for such program is a good thing, though.
< 1297814063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It won't work, we'll beat it :P
< 1297814088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still size-infeasible, so if they're a legit strategy then we should either have a macro system or disallow it *shrugs*
< 1297814121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does EgoBot refuse to download files over a certain size?
< 1297814122 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1297814125 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro system
< 1297814134 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't recall :P
< 1297814168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If it does, let's just rely on that... I don't like adding such things at the battle layer :P
< 1297814177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since, y'know, trying programs like that locally sounds like fun.
< 1297814185 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoahwhoahwhoah
< 1297814189 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about for the HILL, not the language.
< 1297814194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yah, I know.
< 1297814207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm fine with a limit in !bfjoust, but I have a feeling that EgoBot already handles a sane enough limit.
< 1297814214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want a limit that is treated as unexpandable :P