1297728244 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297728355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I've integrated animation into trunk egojsout. < 1297728358 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UI needs some work :P < 1297728415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scribd.com/doc/48773692/Ignite-SV-Haskell-is-Better Oh snap, Haskell propaganda using Second Life. Somebody alert Sgeo__. < 1297728423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can it SCRUB < 1297728454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can your mom? < 1297728459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1297728462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY QUESTIONS < 1297728789 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=f2fbfce59c1af7376b794987b0b82b848cada986&r=47e874799fa9206bf40b7ef1e7cbf981187341aa&t=25 TADA < 1297729146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Suggest spacing below the tape length heading and below the animation :P < 1297729160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some link to egojsout proper maybe < 1297729162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's cool. < 1297729176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggest being able to see the sources of the programs involved :-P < 1297729177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and I'd also put the trace in a scrollable div and have it automatically scroll down, so you can see the match evolve. < 1297729181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what Deewiant said. < 1297729185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the scrolling thing would be cool. < 1297729189 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: watson is kicking their asses on jeopardy right now < 1297729209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You actually do see it when the page loads :P < 1297729218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Suggest making re-ticking the animation box work :P < 1297729234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The animate box was just a hack, I'm getting rid of it entirely. < 1297729237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Too quick, didn't even notice the first time :-P < 1297729289 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In my timezone Jeopardy is on later, not now < 1297729809 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then i will not discuss it any further < 1297730018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1297730027 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SliderSLIDERSLIDER < 1297730108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's an HTML 5 for it. < 1297730109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use dat :P < 1297730138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should change all the "foo foo" links on [[BF Joust strategies]] to be just a bold link >_> I did one but oh god there are lots. < 1297730142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLURAL ones. < 1297730147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using it. < 1297730148 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits elliott with a DAT #0, #0 < 1297730152 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have a FF old enough not to have it :P < 1297730161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Regex dood < 1297730172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm using a FF crappy enough to not have built-in sed. < 1297730176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1297730275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s pretty sweet on Chrome :) < 1297730306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you make it continuous or discrete? The bar, that is. < 1297730315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer a continuous bar that's floor()'d in display, just because scrubbing would be smoother. < 1297730324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous, floor'd in display. < 1297730327 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs a Microsoft game on WINE on Lubuntu under VirtualBox on Windows 7 < 1297730345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *hi5* < 1297730545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it pushed? < 1297730551 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1297730553 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is now. < 1297730559 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would anybody mind if I put the program listings on the bottom when you permalink? < 1297730571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't want them on top, I sorta want it to be a link to an animation essentially. < 1297730573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'd have it be a link that expands them at the top. < 1297730580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not easy :( < 1297730583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Show sources" --> "Hide sources\n[two source textboxes]" < 1297730591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You mean hiding and showing an element isn't easy? < 1297730595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use jQuery or something if you're that lazy :P < 1297730924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you do that height-limited-scrolling-trace thing? >_> < 1297730947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next you just need to add LIVE PATCHING OF CODE and it'll be in like THOSE MOVIES ABOUT HACKERS gosh golly gosh darn. < 1297731094 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1297731102 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just Googled Core Wars vs VirtualBox < 1297731191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1297731207 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-227-51.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297731313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, permalinks are awesome now :) < 1297731313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY. < 1297731323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why do I always talk after long periods of silence at the same time as somebody else. < 1297731326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway link me up. < 1297731342 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=47e874799fa9206bf40b7ef1e7cbf981187341aa&r=ae4777f408850bad0cd6352d9b63a5d7db6ee5fb&t=25 < 1297731371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No polarity specification in URL? < 1297731382 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&p = polarity inverted, no &p = polarity normal < 1297731388 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the algorithm for division in METAFONT to ensure it doesn't overflow < 1297731389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it, er, going slower? < 1297731394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are the programs just slow? < 1297731401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, my browser is lagged. < 1297731402 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same speed as always, these programs are just slowish :P < 1297731410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ANYHOW you need to implement that scrolling trace thing :q < 1297731411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be awesome. < 1297731422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse. < 1297731426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why? < 1297731428 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patches welcome :P < 1297731480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: s/
if you're using the template, I think < 1297802825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different sort of verbatim block < 1297802829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has an implicit nowiki < 1297802838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the template might want to display it outside of a pre, though! < 1297802839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this is not whatactually means in HTML) < 1297802843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it uses right now) < 1297802845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hmm, OK < 1297802854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, the template doesn't work < 1297802858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because qif doesn't work < 1297802883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1297802884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1297802893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the invocation looks OK to me < 1297802931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{{anim}}} should probably be {{{anim|}}} in case an animation isn't available or can't easily be produced < 1297802945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;{{qif|test={{{url}}}|then=[{{{url}}} {{{1}}}]|else={{{1}}}}}{{qif|test={{{anim}}}|then=• {{{anim}}}}}{{qif|test={{{code}}}|then= • {{{code}}}}} < 1297802949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1297802953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so I need to do that even with qif? < 1297802954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :P < 1297802955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was going to add ones for some of the early winners, but it turns out that they lose to even simple programs; I can't think back far enough to create something they beat and still looks plausible) < 1297802969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: test param of qif definitely needs an empty param default < 1297802979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anim doesn't have a value, {{{anim}}} is literally {{{anim}}} < 1297802991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and {{{anim|}}} is the null string, which is what you probably wanted < 1297803002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1297803019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wtfs < 1297803023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Code:" in a qif parameter -> < 1297803024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code < 1297803025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::foo < 1297803027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behaviour < 1297803032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nowikis < 1297803044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: : doesn't just trigger at the start of the line, that's correct < 1297803045 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.181.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297803049 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1297803049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of going < 1297803049 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1297803049 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1297803052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;title < 1297803054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::definition < 1297803056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also go < 1297803059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;title:definition < 1297803065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1297803069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a misfeature, but it's how it parses nonetheless < 1297803080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, there's a ; at the start of that line, so... < 1297803125 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I feel dizzy? < 1297803131 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not dizzy < 1297803133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the philips have fallen down the leaderboard a lot < 1297803134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it's working now < 1297803134 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just.. weird < 1297803154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened there? people engaging in anti-careless strategies? < 1297803168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :careless itself is halfway down, it was near the top yesterday < 1297803188 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/reports/report-2011-02-11-05-07.txt < 1297803217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Since most of my strategies have careless cores, anticareless has done well :P < 1297803221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that was a different version of decoytuner than the one you put on the wiki, I think < 1297803237 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah; I just checked what was the top, then grabbed the latest thing with that name. < 1297803251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, another bug in BFJProg < 1297803252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that version was a turtle, the one you put on the wiki wasn't < 1297803300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite amazed that we have creative strategy names :P < 1297803328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we need people who aren't ais523 to do well :P < 1297803347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I see the problem < 1297803351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{BFJProg|foo < 1297803351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use creative names for my /strategies/ (lock, etc); just not for my /programs/ < 1297803354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| abc = def}} < 1297803362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[{{{abc}}} {{{1}}}] < 1297803365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{{1}}} ends with a newline < 1297803368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "strip" template? :P < 1297803379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to remove newlines from template params < 1297803383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do foo < 1297803385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=param < 1297803390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, not sure < 1297803396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even foo= on a line and the param on the next < 1297803396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh? < 1297803397 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use creative names for my programs (ridiculous and scary is creative, right?), but don't use creative names for my strategies since i just steal. < 1297803405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki template newline handling is insane < 1297803406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "turtle" < 1297803421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's called "careless clear" on the wiki after the first program to be successful with it < 1297803424 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I accidentally reinvented careless with turtle :P < 1297803433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turtle is a better name, though < 1297803438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I think the terminology seems to be that "turtle" is the program type and "careless" the strategy it uses < 1297803444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1297803447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. turtles are careless < 1297803486 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297803509 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dumb_turtle (>[(-)*128])*-1 < 1297803521 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's a really bad idea, come to think of it < 1297803534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you might want to put a + after the > so that the loop is actually entered < 1297803545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and might also want to rule-of-nine it < 1297803554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An obvious modification of slowrush, possibly of an earlier version." < 1297803557 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want the loop to be entered until I'm on some value < 1297803562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC "reversi" = "reversed" = flipped polarity < 1297803564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ah, that makes sense < 1297803568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of slowrush < 1297803578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put > after the 128 then < 1297803579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have been of an old version, but IIRC after stealing programs I used to tweak them < 1297803581 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait, even if I win, I'm going to rush off the edge, aren't I? < 1297803584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't end up oscillating on a 1-valued decoy < 1297803588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, .> after the 128 < 1297803589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME TO GO HOME AND DRINK SOME MORE SODA WOOH < 1297803595 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go home now < 1297803596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't fall off the end if you win, ] takes a tick < 1297803606 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297803606 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297803607 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297803607 0 :Mannerisky!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1297803608 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1297803612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the first thing you hit isn't a flag, you'll go into an infinite loop < 1297803617 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwhat at Sgeo < 1297803629 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the dumb < 1297803635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I'm going to go home now <-- Sgeo has left this server (*.net *.split). < 1297803637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such perfect timing < 1297803649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it was the other nick, it'd have been even better < 1297803673 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1297803679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1297803684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An alternating polarity offset clear that leaves no decoys and takes forever to reach the other flag. It's a wonder this thing ever won." < 1297803687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1297803692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bye? < 1297803696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sgeo < 1297803698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1297803700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sgeo < 1297803713 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :307) I'm going to go home now <-- Sgeo has left this server (*.net *.split). < 1297803731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I'm pretty sure that Patashu_rushpolarity is slowrush polarity'd < 1297803735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least some rush polarity'd < 1297803736 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Sgeo__dumb_turtle: 16.6 < 1297803751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it alternates polarity on adjacent tape elements, I think < 1297803755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1297803756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid its polarity being detected < 1297803760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still on the hill? < 1297803781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in fact it's sixth < 1297803807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a pain to beat when writing defense programs, so people normally don't bother < 1297803811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saves the template conversion so far < 1297803813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does quite well against the prevalent strategies nowadays < 1297803815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to do the rest < 1297803845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is beatable though, e.g. defend9.75 beats it and space_elevator for the same reason < 1297803857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does 9.75 do? < 1297803871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically defend9 updated to modern strategies < 1297803882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it detects enemy polarity and cycle length < 1297803890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then uses a lock algorithm matched to what the enemy does < 1297803908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also sets seven decoys, three of which are also used as tripwires, and switches to a five-cycle clear versus defence < 1297803929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has all sorts of tricks to beat other common strategies < 1297803939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1297804009 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys. i just realized the current top 3 are in a cycle with each other. pendolino>sm3>space_elevator>pendolino < 1297804025 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297804037 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1297804045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: heh < 1297804050 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297804051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fourth beats all three of them < 1297804092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.75 is a limited strategy in a way; there are countermeasures against it you take that it can't be modified to beat without changing the whole concept or crippling it heavily against most other programs < 1297804121 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1297804137 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1297804187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no description for space_elevator < 1297804188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds one < 1297804195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| desc = Utterly insane.}} < 1297804212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the desc should be by the author and explain exactly how it works < 1297804227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a pretty good idea of how it works, as I've studied a whole bunch of methods for countering it, from the specific to the generic < 1297804239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But until such a description is written, it stays like that :P < 1297804245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you studied ICA's? :P < 1297804269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :template conversion done < 1297804293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't studied ICA's yet, but they're the sort of thing I don't like to try to beat < 1297804301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *it's < 1297804307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and why not? < 1297804311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a specific program targeter < 1297804313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a confuser < 1297804330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a defence program should try and get multiple readings of cycle length in different situations? < 1297804336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because I'm bad at beating confusers < 1297804343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defence programs lose to rush if they do that < 1297804383 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: i've got a fixed point algorithm for scoring. it's so simple you won't believe it < 1297804393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Is it mine? :P < 1297804395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Gregor's, and how it works with the hill < 1297804403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Gregor wants it to be fixed-point < 1297804405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would work the same way < 1297804407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except be recursive < 1297804409 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, except you divide by the number of programs < 1297804414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's what I said ... < 1297804418 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't divide < 1297804420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1297804423 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just leave it < 1297804424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Surely that saturates?! < 1297804425 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works < 1297804428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1297804431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And differs from the points? < 1297804435 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1297804437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, looks like I have both highest negative-points and lowest positive-points programs on the hill < 1297804460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: S(p) := sum S(q) for all q that p beats, where S(x) is initially taken as P(p). < 1297804465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: quintopia says this is fixed-point, as unlikely as that sounds. < 1297804497 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to this algorithm 9.75 is easily the best program in the top 5 (which is exactly what we'd expect) < 1297804506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1297804545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: got a closed-form way to calculate it? :P < 1297804584 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, it's not fixed point. i was mistaken XD. it cycles because the top 3 are cyclical < 1297804590 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to resolve that < 1297804602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If you visit the same program twice, the second time, return score 0. < 1297804616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Try with that < 1297804634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Basically for any call of S(p) keep a bag for that call and its sub-calls :P < 1297804645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you ever recurse on a program that you've already seen, return 0. < 1297804657 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that requires work. right now i'm just multiplying a matrix by a vector repeatedly. < 1297804667 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want me to write an actual *algorithm* < 1297804676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: A dumb recursive algorithm is not much of an algorithm :P < 1297804699 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297804701 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not dumb if you're making it dynamic programming < 1297804711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Don't then. < 1297804728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297804755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like being at #1, it makes people target me < 1297804756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Or, even better idea: If you get called upon to return the score of a program you've already seen, return its score per the last iteration. < 1297804762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suppose it's nice to be there occasionally < 1297804833 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grawr. < 1297804835 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1297804853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did pikhq ever joust? I can't remember < 1297804860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1297804879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a jouster in PEBBLE :P < 1297804887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hideous inefficiency awaits < 1297804895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd involve writing a new backend. < 1297804907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY? < 1297804910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid BF = valid BF Joust. < 1297804915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind. < 1297804923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Funny thing is, PEBBLE is one of the more efficient high-level languages targetting Brainfuck. < 1297804926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ()* and ()% are just conveniences :P < 1297804944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()* and ()% could probably be added with ease. < 1297804956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, BF Joust doesn't follow normal programming physics < 1297804978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assigning to a variable then checking several times that its value is still the same would normally be considered insane < 1297804984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's par for the course when jousting < 1297804993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably helps a lot that PEBBLE is higher-level than Brainfuck but still *insanely* low-leve. < 1297805006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low-level, rather. < 1297805018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have normal conditionals! < 1297805038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but BF Joust makes assumptions like ais523 said :P < 1297805055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe a Joust-specific set of macros would be handy. < 1297805062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1cnis would make a good BF Joust preprocessor, IMO < 1297805064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, sure it makes sense, some people actually think that writing code like that is _sane_ < 1297805071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see: people who think shared memory is a good idea (crazy people) < 1297805072 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how about iterating until it sees a scoreboard its seen before and then averaging the entire cycle? < 1297805079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is, PEBBLE is really little more than a macro system for Brainfuck. < 1297805084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shared memory concurrency, that is < 1297805088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if that works, then sure < 1297805090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: try it < 1297805092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro system would be nice too < 1297805097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. defend9.25 has two almost identical halves < 1297805098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... With optional variable support. < 1297805108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one bug I came across was changing things in one half but not the other < 1297805115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double reverse tripwire programs are like that < 1297805124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and using one reverse tripwire tends not to work well IME) < 1297805132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but will that work if only the top four are cyclic? it might be thousands of scoreboards before you see the exact same scoreboard < 1297805139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the butterfly effect on the programs below < 1297805156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even millions < 1297805164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, ()% is already pretty powerful < 1297805168 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it would be a very unusual scoreboard with a cycle that long < 1297805177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and a macro language would probably end up insane, vs. using a program to generate < 1297805180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed < 1297805184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but only the four top cycles < 1297805186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the rest don't < 1297805192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while the first four could go around in a tight cycle < 1297805196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs below could change constantly < 1297805197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of those changes < 1297805204 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't think so < 1297805219 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think everything that isn't actually in a cycle will settle down < 1297805249 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cyclical ones just trade fractions of points with one another after that < 1297805271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, but the other programs' scores are based on the top four < 1297805277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when they trade, the ones below trade too < 1297805283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly in a way that takes longer to cycle < 1297805423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SodaStream's Pete's Choice and Diet Pete's Choice may be better than Dr. Pepper and Diet Dr. Pepper, respectively. < 1297805449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1297805461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *Dr, btw < 1297805461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no . < 1297805466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh wait, over in the US of A your soft drinks are all HFCS. < 1297805472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try sugar Dr Pepper, I hear it's a rarity there. < 1297805476 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have you tried making a Coke-alike? < 1297805490 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tis called silly marketing < 1297805490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Not myself, Cola is really complicated. < 1297805492 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i mean this recipe: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110215/ts_yblog_thelookout/did-nprs-this-american-life-discover-cokes-secret-formulahttp://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110215/ts_yblog_thelookout/did-nprs-this-american-life-discover-cokes-secret-formula < 1297805493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1297805495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna say. < 1297805498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cola is fucking complicated :P < 1297805501 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1297805503 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doublelink < 1297805503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even OpenCola looks like a pain. < 1297805506 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1297805511 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In spite of the "article", that's not new news :P < 1297805514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Did they actually reveal the recipe or just the ingredients? < 1297805519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ingredients are irrelevant. < 1297805533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.colawp.com/colas/400/cola467_recipe.html = OpenCola < 1297805536 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not news, it's just a place on the internet you can find a cokealike recipe < 1297805536 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Article not found or expired on Yahoo! News < 1297805542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try and make OpenCola sometime < 1297805544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: not my link... < 1297805546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia's < 1297805549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://www.colawp.com/colas/400/cola467_recipe.html < 1297805552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenCola ftw < 1297805553 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of colas *shrugs* < 1297805555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola_(drink) ) < 1297805567 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't click the link. copy and paste the first half of the link < 1297805574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1297805580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VARIABLE THINKS I'M QUINTOPIA < 1297805583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTOPIA THINKS I'M VARIABLE < 1297805586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUY AN IRC CLIENT YOU GUYS < 1297805591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that distinguishes names :P < 1297805603 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110215/ts_yblog_thelookout/did-nprs-this-american-life-discover-cokes-secret-formula < 1297805606 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1297805608 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it not doubled < 1297805609 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez < 1297805624 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-204-186.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297805625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ALSO: Making Coca-Cola is illegal. < 1297805632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cuz good fucking luck buying coca leaves, dude. < 1297805636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1297805637 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1297805645 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how about I preface every statement in this channel with your name? < 1297805646 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coca-cola uses cocaine free coca leaves < 1297805650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes. < 1297805651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's perfectly legal to < 1297805653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Which aren't sold to anyone else. < 1297805674 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my client makes you and variable the same color. everyone else is different < 1297805675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which kinda puts a stopper on the idea. < 1297805703 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's impossible to acquire them? < 1297805712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Pretty damn sure. < 1297805733 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they do that? < 1297805736 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :money? < 1297805737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: This, quite understandably, riles some people up. < 1297805742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Um, yes, money. < 1297805747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coca-Cola is a friggin' huge corporation. < 1297805752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Because cocaine is naturally present in coca leaves, today's Coca-Cola uses "spent," or treated, coca leaves, those that have been through a cocaine extraction process, to flavor the beverage. The coca leaves are imported from countries like Peru and Bolivia, and they are treated by chemical company Stepan, which then sells the de-cocainized residue to Coca-Cola.[3] Some contend that this process cannot extract all of the cocaine alkaloids at a < 1297805752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : molecular level, and so the drink still contains trace amounts of the stimulant.[1][4] The Coca-Cola Company currently refuses to comment on the continued presence of coca leaf in Coca-Cola.[5][6]]] < 1297805761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr all they have to do is tell Stepan not to sell them to anyone else. < 1297805771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My client doesn't color people, and yet I never seem to get them confused. < 1297805773 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ba-dum ching* < 1297805788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that was a strange choice of nick to ping < 1297805789 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bah. what's stopping a different company from doing that extraction process? < 1297805793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm pretty sure you need Special Permission(TM) to treat the coca leaves too, considering they, you know, have cocaine in them. < 1297805802 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny note about Coca-Cola - the branch is worth so much that if their factories burnt down they could borrow against their name to rebuild < 1297805810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (This is reddit-accuracy-level information, but the logic checks out.) < 1297805818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ((I literally read it on reddit :P)) < 1297805855 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why not buy spent coca leaves from drug cartels? then you haven't bought illegal coca leaves or done the illegal extraction yourself < 1297805866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEALING WITH DRUG CARTELS: Totally legal < 1297805875 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it not? :P < 1297805882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't... think so X-D < 1297805883 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: considering that you didn't buy anything illegal... < 1297805891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so, unless you have tons of money, like everything. < 1297805891 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1297805896 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would just be financing them < 1297805898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but are the drug cartels doing business legally? < 1297805909 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deal with the Yakuza. < 1297805910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you knowingly did business with drug cartels who aren't doing business legally, that would be illegal. < 1297805914 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter what they do with your money. that's them being illegal, not you < 1297805918 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They *are* in fact perfectly legitimate businessmen.. < 1297805919 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1297805933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY, point is that an _individual_ is never gonna be able to legally make Coca-Cola because of this :P < 1297805941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm sure knowingly funding illegal activities is illegal, dude. < 1297805948 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In certain jurisdictions. < 1297805949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that you're actually BUYING the results of an illegal activity. < 1297805952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than it just being indirect. < 1297805967 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: its not illegal to pay for something in cash if you know the store owner won't pay taxes on it < 1297806001 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IANAL) < 1297806018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Drug cartel = people who don't pay taxes! :P < 1297806047 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: note the word _not_ < 1297806056 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297806065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: right < 1297806073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm saying that I'm not sure the situation is comparable :P < 1297806078 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1297806094 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has to go for a bit < 1297806138 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a T-Rex is Lonely comic queued that is ... so bad. So, so bad. Good bad, that is. So bad. < 1297806186 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In many South American countries it is actually entirely legal to grow and consume coca leaves. < 1297806190 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1297806192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1297806200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to make Coca-Cola, move to South America :P < 1297806217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Link :P < 1297806224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I shouldn't! It's queued! < 1297806230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WE WON'T TELL. < 1297806231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this discussion makes me want to illegally make some coca-cola < 1297806242 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe I'll PM if you convince me :P < 1297806242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:17:17 Phantom_Hoover: nah theres australia mmmmmmmmate!!!! causes hallucinations, and you didn't reply directly to you kz 2! < 1297806243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Australia: Causes hallucinations, mmmmmmmmate!!!! < 1297806258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I would tell absolutely ZERO people, which is ONE LESS THAN ONE (but ONE MORE THAN NEGATIVE ONE). < 1297806323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inexplicably, coca leaves in *most* countries are treated identically to cocaine. < 1297806431 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: i think only putting "champion" programs on the wiki makes it so that we'll never see any of ais523's awesome defenders there since they can't really be champions. < 1297806453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: several of my defenders are there already < 1297806454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: #1s was just a baseline. < 1297806460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend13 was champion for a time, IIRC < 1297806462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems a bit like banning rye bread because LSD can be synthesized from ergot. < 1297806480 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergotamine -> lysergic acid? really? < 1297806490 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never paid much attention to that < 1297806493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That is how it was originally synthesized, actually. < 1297806502 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably knew that at one point < 1297806508 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was studying it < 1297806516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rye bread might have relatively more legal uses than cocaine < 1297806524 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or banning hemp >.< < 1297806538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: *than coca leaves < 1297806543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right :-D < 1297806546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does making cola count? < 1297806549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1297806559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ooh, but what about getting high? < 1297806560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait... < 1297806597 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's possible to breed a coca plant that tastes the same but doesn't produce cocaine < 1297806629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coca-Cola might contain coca but I don't think other colas do < 1297806644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Wouldn't it be simpler to legalise cocaine :P < 1297806645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Before extracting cocaine from the leaves became possible/common, consuming the leaves straight was a very common and not-very-notable thing... < 1297806656 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be false advertising if coca-cola did not contain coca! < 1297806666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah isn't there that stuff about all the KULCHURES complaining about people wanting to ban chewing coca leaves < 1297806680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the quantities of cocaine one gets from there, it's really no different than caffeine. < 1297806709 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should try to do cocaine extraction from coca-cola... < 1297806740 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So was slavery but we still prefer to not do it these days < 1297806746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's been no documented addictions to coca leaves. < 1297806753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the United States, Stepan Company is the only manufacturing plant authorized by the Federal Government to import and process the coca plant" < 1297806755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOLD YOU < 1297806774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US: Bullshit, or total bullshit?? You decide < 1297806775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sure we do; we just call it different things. < 1297806779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "minimum wage". < 1297806795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum wage is ... slavery? :wat: < 1297806796 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any other company that would try would be stopped, of course, because coca-cola would pay to have it stopped < 1297806804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the kind of thing a libertarian crackpot would say :P < 1297806806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "Some contend that this process cannot extract all of the cocaine alkaloids at a molecular level, and so the drink still contains trace amounts of the stimulant.[1][4] The Coca-Cola Company currently refuses to comment on the continued presence of coca leaf in Coca-Cola.[5][6]" < 1297806811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Minimum wage in the US is not a living wage. < 1297806815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Depending on how crackpotty Mr. Some is, you could possibly do it. < 1297806815 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We don't have that in this country :-P < 1297806816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right. < 1297806832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ha ha, Finland, you crazy. < 1297806861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, you just have strong unions. < 1297806879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Which gets the same effect and makes the "small government" wackos' heads explode. < 1297806887 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in fact impossible to set minimum wage to a living wage as all increases in minimum wage result in increased cost of living < 1297806894 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this country i mean < 1297806916 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with changes in other laws it might could be done < 1297806919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That suggests some major economic brokenness. < 1297806930 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it is broken. you didn't know this? < 1297806963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, I *am* actually aware that the US economy is really broken by now... < 1297806969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Unions don't make small government wackos' head explode. < 1297806975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How can something they've outlawed confuse them? :) < 1297806981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unions *instead of* a government, however? < 1297807012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you proposing some kind of unionocracy? :P < 1297807015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "The government is not involved but there's unions... MY HEAD ASPLODE!" < 1297807028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As bad ideas go, unionocracy sounds pretty bad. < 1297807032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe the proper term for that is "democracy", actually. :P < 1297807048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm mistaken, democracy means one thing, and what it means is not what unionocracy would mean were it in the dictionary. < 1297807075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297807091 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297807233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration_fool_faster >>>++++<----<++++<(-)*127.(-+)*50000 < 1297807257 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_vibration_fool_faster: 23.8 < 1297807264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad for a winner from ages ago < 1297807270 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice job < 1297807276 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1297807278 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you knocked our last shudderer off :P < 1297807281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it beats defend9.5 < 1297807286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THOU ART MISTAKEN. < 1297807291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FOR I HATH DECREED IT. < 1297807298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good_vibrations is still there; is it a shudderer or a vibrator? < 1297807314 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1297807317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I believe I readded vibration_fool_faster ages ago < 1297807318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Gregor < 1297807321 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was at the bottom last i checked < 1297807325 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be gone soon < 1297807337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you didn't re-add an exact copy < 1297807340 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hath is present tense. you mean "did decree" < 1297807345 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: elliott_return_of_vibration_fool_fasting_because_it_is_lent_mathematica_edition.bfjoust < 1297807347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it gets a different score from the actual VFF < 1297807350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I did; must have been a different version < 1297807351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1297807352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's not VFF < 1297807355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor_julius_freezer is a shudderer < 1297807360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my modification of VFF resubmitted < 1297807362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was literally called that < 1297807368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1297807371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how did you modify it? < 1297807376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Randomly, probably < 1297807379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think that's the only related one you've added < 1297807379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1297807380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how it was Mathematica edition < 1297807392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's still on the hill, though, relatively high up too < 1297807401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 31 23.36 -7.24 elliott_return_of_vibration_fool_fasting_because_it_is_lent_mathematica_edition.bfjoust < 1297807403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, not so high. < 1297807414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 41 22 23.70 -3.55 ais523_defend9_5.bfjoust < 1297807418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, 9.5 must have been pretty bad < 1297807425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't /bad/, but it's passive < 1297807431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tends to make programs score badly < 1297807440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also vulnerable to turtles, and there are a bunch of those around < 1297807452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.75 is just 9.5 with those weaknesses fixed, and look how much better it's doing < 1297807485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, strangely 9.5 beats decoybooster2 and 9.75 doesn't, but that's the only exception to 9.75 beating or tying 9.5 < 1297807486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the next Debian release will be called wheezy < 1297807489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty bad name < 1297807507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, 9.5 beats 9.75, but I can manipulate that result trivially) < 1297807512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:16:29 $ du -h furry_furry_dominance_girls.bfjoust < 1297807512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:16:29 71M furry_furry_dominance_girls.bfjoust < 1297807513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:16:32 Hahawhoops < 1297807513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:23:37 that could take a while to run < 1297807513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:23:40 even in lance < 1297807517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, lance would tell Gregor that program is too big X-D < 1297807529 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does the definder sequence ever go to zero if the opponent is not changing the flag? < 1297807535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:59:09 http://i.min.us/il4KQQ.jpg < 1297807535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:59:19 I don't think this person realises that this already exists and it's hideous. < 1297807536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I use to use that user javascript < 1297807538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was horrible and annoying < 1297807540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i removed it < 1297807548 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, go to zero and stop there < 1297807548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I know why it happens, I think I might even have done it that way round deliberately) < 1297807551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" heh, I use to use that user javascript" wtf < 1297807551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523: that one that gave an orange box of any page link you hovered over) < 1297807556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (ais523: that one that gave an orange box of any page link you hovered over) < 1297807561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You put it in your monobook.js. < 1297807570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the original doesn't; definder2 does, IIRC < 1297807578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:30:27 We should set a size limit :P < 1297807578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:30:29 Maybe 640K < 1297807585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lance's is 1 Mio I think. < 1297807588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ha, stole the o stuff from Deewiant) < 1297807592 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thief < 1297807594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :640K instruction characters, not input characters. < 1297807636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mibioctet? < 1297807641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mebioctet < 1297807642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1297807642 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mebi* < 1297807645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1297807651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mibicotet would be, umm, 1/1024th of an octet? < 1297807652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But do you say kio or Kio? < 1297807660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:39:53 look what digging up my browser history brought < 1297807660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:40:00 an old paste with vagrant on it < 1297807660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolleyes < 1297807661 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kibi is Ki < 1297807667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But that's Inconsistent. < 1297807672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kibi is Ki. < 1297807675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (And not SI standard anyway, so it's irrelevant,) < 1297807677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*irrelevant. < 1297807680 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you ever test the original definder without the tripwire, egodeath style? < 1297807692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Who cares what the IEC says :P < 1297807695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: *Nyarlathotep style? < 1297807697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ki is far more consistent. < 1297807700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I don't think I did < 1297807706 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egodeath did it too iirc < 1297807711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k is inconsistent in the first place :-P < 1297807719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But it's SI, and SI standards are unquestionable. < 1297807724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the timings would be off if the opponent took more than 98 turns to turn up < 1297807726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happens quite a lot < 1297807755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how I can say "34 kb" to mean 4.15 kio :P < 1297807760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCH CONFUSE < 1297807765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kilobits) < 1297807766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kilobels? < 1297807770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's B < 1297807773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kilobits, bits is lowercase b < 1297807779 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can determine the most likely moment for the opponent to show up by examining timings on the current hill and just wait that long < 1297807795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wow that'd be overspecific to the current hill < 1297807799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such programs tend to do badly < 1297807864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to use "1 do" to mean 0.8 b. < 1297807870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(decioctet) < 1297807888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh yeah, that's about 100 dos" = "Oh yeah, that's about 10 bits". < 1297807889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO CONFUSING < 1297807891 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i doubt it would be actually. i suspect an average of timings over the current hill would be well-suited to the future as well. however, i expect that it would do badly in any case, i was just wondering how badly < 1297807930 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297807938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Gregor < 1297807940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your template is broken < 1297807941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?ap&l=5d19f8ddd438f31e319b3e7e33b7f06cd4d444d7&r=simple&t=25{{{p}}}" < 1297807947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need {{{p|}}} < 1297807956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, preferably, {{qif|test={{{p|}}}|then=&p}} < 1297807964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can just do |p=1 in the template invocation. < 1297807967 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just use |t=32&p < 1297807970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission to fix? < 1297807972 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh ... I don't think I put {{{p}}} there ... < 1297807972 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works i promise < 1297807975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You totally did. < 1297807977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or someone did. < 1297807978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me. < 1297807990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add {{{p}}} support anyway :P < 1297807992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, fix it. < 1297807998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cur) (last) 17:38, 15 February 2011 Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (add option to allow polarity invert) < 1297807999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame found < 1297808011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was just going to fix that, because I just noticed it unrelatedly to you telling me < 1297808017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO BAD ALREADY FIXED < 1297808027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1297808029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed edit < 1297808036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1297808039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki is so slow < 1297808053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I got there first < 1297808062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you fixed it wrong, though :P < 1297808065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes properly < 1297808078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not going to use qif, are you? < 1297808080 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297808089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ALREADY DID < 1297808094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Christmas in a template. < 1297808112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed the article too. < 1297808114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(removed &p stuff) < 1297808119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297808123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can't you just make the p parameter take either "sieve" or "kettle"? :P < 1297808126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be far, you know, saner. < 1297808135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we could just do &p={{{p|sieve}}} < 1297808136 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could. I choose not to. To make you hurt. < 1297808169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh ) < 1297808328 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-169-174.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297808331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1297808828 0 :Ilari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ilari < 1297809013 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297809081 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1297809401 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1297809439 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1297809514 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1297809721 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1297809954 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1297810251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian sid is currently completely uninstallable. < 1297810264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"linux-image-2.6-686 : Depends: linux-image-2.6.37-1-686 but it is not installable" < 1297810357 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need sid? what's it got that squeeze ain't got? < 1297810403 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Debian sid is always uninstallable. < 1297810405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: *wheezy, surely. < 1297810407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Untrue. < 1297810407 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1297810419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The debian-installer nightly businesscard images offer sid installation. < 1297810422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not guaranteed to ever work :P < 1297810426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, never mind. < 1297810432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: squeeze is the current stable release (i.e. will rapidly become a dinosaur). < 1297810439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wheezy is the current testing release. < 1297810444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I want to install sid because I'm ker-azy. < 1297810449 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1297810450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squeeze is *slightly* out-of-date as-is. < 1297810453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because wheezy isn't even security-team-supported right now. < 1297810456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'd be a waste of time :P < 1297810508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: Failure when configuring base packages." < 1297810517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sid installed yesterday, but wouldn't boot :-D < 1297810519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it won't even install < 1297810576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sid is probably all sorts of crazy right now. < 1297810585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The technical term is "fun". < 1297810599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries linux-image-2.6.32-5-686. Specificity will set you free! < 1297810615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woop, seems to be working. < 1297810625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As they're probably putting in every single package that couldn't make it in during the Squeeze testing freeze. < 1297810687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy tenth birthday, All Your Base. < 1297810738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The freeze model is a bit broken. < 1297810776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeaaah. < 1297810842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd make a bit more sense, IMO, to have testing as a rolling release model, fork for a stable release, and do bug fixes on that fork. < 1297810874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just have a stable rolling release :P ... nah, that would be impossible with Modern Linux. < 1297810896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're deluded enough to think that every software will support udeviceHALKit the day it comes out. < 1297810906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, indeed, before its predecessor removed entirely.) < 1297810909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is removed < 1297811043 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1297811237 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1297811303 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297811337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1297811442 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the strategies I've tried for furry_furry_leather_discipline_girls have gone awry >_> < 1297811464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what comes after furry_furry_leather_discipline_girls? < 1297811470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared. < 1297811476 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1297811530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>: ) < 1297811530 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1297811547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a list, but then I start to run low on femdom-inspired sexual fetishes ... < 1297811563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1297811571 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just select words at random, then? < 1297811587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furry_furry_exegesis_girls < 1297811590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DO IT < 1297811721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Shouldn't run out of fetishes in general, though. < 1297811742 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The furry furry girls are dominatrixes :P < 1297811758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're not the ones in bondage, you are) < 1297811839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they just furry, or furry furry? < 1297811861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're furry furries. < 1297812033 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can comprehend how furry they are. < 1297812064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was stating that they are furry (as in very, very hairy) and furry (as in the subculture). < 1297812122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Comment on the hairiness of the aforementioned girls? < 1297812136 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the latter. < 1297812151 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a normal, human amount of hair. < 1297812162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which they may or may not do less with than the average western female. < 1297812186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Awww*. < 1297812219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was imagining near-apes in fursuits. < 1297812443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But they have reaaaaally long armpit hair, right? < 1297812455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, they could fashion a cushion out of it and sit on it. < 1297812460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be pretty darn furry. < 1297812462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, keep your fetishes to yourself. < 1297812465 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They've got their own. < 1297812471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I never said it was my fetish. < 1297812485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I simply state that furry people in fursuits would be funny. < 1297812502 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1297812511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1297812530 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, sorry, I think I wrote it wrong by mistake < 1297812612 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now answer my question < 1297812669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What question < 1297812684 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This question? < 1297812692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1297812764 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that isn't the question. The question is, how to figure out what other people that are interested with TeXnicard to comment/help? < 1297812895 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do I fix the lights in the keyboard? < 1297813088 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried finding other people for you zzo38 but it means finding someone like you, and so no such person exists < 1297813182 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: At least you tried. However, maybe there are people interested in these kind of things if you want to make high-quality card game... . If you cannot answer that, however, can you answer the other question about how fix the lights in the keyboard? < 1297813275 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How am I supposed to find the people interested in this cards, by myself? < 1297813314 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask on forums where geeky people frequent < 1297813367 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you disassemble your keyboard you can maybefigure out what's wrong and fix it < 1297813433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah, I've upped my fail and generated 400MB :P < 1297813469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So if lance supports 400 meg programs... < 1297813584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, maybe I should actually work on lance :P < 1297813590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll... do that now. < 1297813673 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we should set a hard instruction limit (unexpanded) < 1297813715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yah, but what? I don't want to make it a hard forever rule :P < 1297813716 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unexpanded 64K fits everything we have currently < 1297813721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a 700K program would be fine, for instance. < 1297813724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind generation. < 1297813740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anything that can feasibly be downloaded from the Internet in 30 seconds from EgoBot", say :P < 1297813752 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make a new instruction set that makes these kind of constructs more compact and set the limit on that one < 1297813752 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard, /static/ limit X-P < 1297813758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo < 1297813763 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No exponential programs. < 1297813768 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrolling is a lame strategy. < 1297813871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We already have exponential programs with lance (which differentiates between * and %). < 1297813907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a rather silly definition of "exponential programs" :P < 1297813916 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I don't want you to be able to go too far just by always knowing exactly where you are. < 1297813933 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1297813935 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1297813951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It would be nice to have something that lets us transform [a[b[c[d]]]]x into [a[b[c[d]x]x]x]x :P < 1297813956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To "break out of a loop".) < 1297813962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's "cheating", but... a hard limit irks me. < 1297813968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator is awesome. But not unbeatable. < 1297813969 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my subroutine idea frex < 1297813980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I prefer things that are essentially string rewriting, but optimised :P < 1297813985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't think a hard limit will prevent any god strategies. < 1297813990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there _are_ any unbeatable programs. < 1297814011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, of course not, but things start getting totally impossible to understand once the program is just a loop-unrolled mess of nonsense. < 1297814017 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's what it was. a construct that implements subroutines by string rewriting < 1297814034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The rules aren't based on your pitiful mind's tiny capacity :P < 1297814043 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm preventing MYSELF here. < 1297814046 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'M writing programs that do this. < 1297814052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve! < 1297814055 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'M trying to make sure that this retard strategy doesn't work. < 1297814058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think open-sourcing the generators for such program is a good thing, though. < 1297814063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It won't work, we'll beat it :P < 1297814088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still size-infeasible, so if they're a legit strategy then we should either have a macro system or disallow it *shrugs* < 1297814121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does EgoBot refuse to download files over a certain size? < 1297814122 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1297814125 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro system < 1297814134 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't recall :P < 1297814168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If it does, let's just rely on that... I don't like adding such things at the battle layer :P < 1297814177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since, y'know, trying programs like that locally sounds like fun. < 1297814185 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoahwhoahwhoah < 1297814189 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about for the HILL, not the language. < 1297814194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yah, I know. < 1297814207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm fine with a limit in !bfjoust, but I have a feeling that EgoBot already handles a sane enough limit. < 1297814214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want a limit that is treated as unexpandable :P