< 1296172802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq I am actually making progress on Kitten so you should be happy. < 1296172803 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it could be that < 1296172819 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c) the judge is unsure about the jurisdictional issue and figures somehow issuing a TRO is correct? < 1296172823 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see a) < 1296172827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sony's lawyers are literally down the street from this court... < 1296172838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoaaaa it broke < 1296172843 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d) the judge is planning to reject the jurisdictional challenge but hasn't written it up yet < 1296172847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vfork_daemon_rexec.c:(.text.bb_daemonize_or_rexec+0x21): undefined reference to `close' < 1296172848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1296172857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1296172873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Incompetence or malicious ignorance is required for d. < 1296172904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: As it currently stands, the TRO has been granted but jurisdiction may not exist. < 1296172938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:11:47 pikhq: it could be a) the judge is simply incompetent < 1296172938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:11:57 oh, it could be that < 1296172939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:12:12 c) the judge is unsure about the jurisdictional issue and figures somehow issuing a TRO is correct? < 1296172939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:12:16 (see a) < 1296172940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did b go < 1296172947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ask coppro where b went < 1296172958 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, d) is entirely reasonable < 1296172970 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I as the judge was entirely sure I was going to reject the motion to dismiss < 1296172973 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hadn't written it up < 1296172978 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would go for the TRO still < 1296172992 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have alread decided I have jurisdiction < 1296173006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1296173007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The issue is that before you reject the motion to dismiss, it is de jure entirely in question whether you have any power to grant the TRO. < 1296173018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how can one use -nostdinc but still get gcc internal headers? < 1296173024 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the power is platonice < 1296173026 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*platonic < 1296173045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: So, courts have power in Pluto? < 1296173064 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no < 1296173069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say "yes" I'm commiting xenocide. < 1296173072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good. < 1296173076 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that if I have jurisdiction, I have jursdiction < 1296173090 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need to say "no your motion to dismiss for lack of jursidction fails" for that to be the case < 1296173244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he said platonic, not plutonic. pay attention! < 1296173289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Also, merely rejecting the motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction *seems* to indicate maliciousness or incompetence to me. < 1296173396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: One of the many, many claims here is that exercising personal jurisdiction over Mr. Hotz is unreasonable in this case, and as such the court must dismiss... < 1296173397 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1296173404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Sony has done fuck-all to address this. < 1296173422 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1296173437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scribd.com/doc/47676622/1-Defendant%E2%80%99s-Supplemental-Brief-in-Opposition-to-Plaintiff-s-Ex-Parte-Motion-for-Temptorary-Restraining-Order < 1296173441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See ^ < 1296173447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scribd.com/doc/47676625/47-Plaintiffs-Reply-to-Defendant-s-Supplemental-Brief < 1296173453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that fail. < 1296173628 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he hasn't rejected the motion to dismiss yet, has he? < 1296173823 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:38d7:0:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296174048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dismiss motion to reject < 1296174090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Not at all. < 1296174102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Also "she". < 1296174176 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:38d7::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296174182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: excuse me importance in -minecraft < 1296174197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm up to 21, okay? < 1296174201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPORTANCE < 1296174208 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok < 1296174212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you have to get through Survival Island too < 1296174217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you're up to date for this new one < 1296174226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPORTANCE < 1296174232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've got a 3 day weekend coming up. < 1296174236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1296174239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I will every week this semester. < 1296174423 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g228062238.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296174439 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerk < 1296174456 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, the actual stuff I care about Friday ends at 11:30 am < 1296174597 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296174719 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296175117 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1296175435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296175635 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmcarthur is an idiot < 1296175678 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296175969 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-178-187.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296176200 0 :c0w!116559cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.17.101.89.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296176209 0 :c0w!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: seriously, what is your problem < 1296176222 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignored < 1296176247 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1296176254 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just me < 1296176254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: stop it. < 1296176258 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get through to j-invariant < 1296176262 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fucking ridiculous < 1296176270 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we explained what was wrong < 1296176273 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we told him/her to stop < 1296176283 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then jmcarthur is an idiot for silencing? < 1296176296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh drama. < 1296176321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why not just be more civil to people ... < 1296176325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b *!*116559cd@*.17.101.89.205 < 1296176337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1296176340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's c0w < 1296176343 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1296176346 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said so < 1296176351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1296176352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed he did < 1296176358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: do you have me on ignore < 1296176365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure e does < 1296176386 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant has everyone on ignore < 1296176394 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, IRC is a twitter substitute < 1296176401 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with no other users) < 1296176409 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs < 1296176417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... He has *everyone* on ignore‽ < 1296176419 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could've just asked me to remove it < 1296176424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: more or less < 1296176429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously me, copumpkin, augur < 1296176433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even oerjan < 1296176438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Mi ankaŭ? < 1296176468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think j-invariant needs some...cool down time away from IRC. < 1296176483 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't want j-invariant to be silenced in #haskell. I hate banning/silencing people, especially when the behavior that led to it is pretty simple to avoid, and j-invariant seems to know enough to be fun to talk to < 1296176490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1296176491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck happened, anyways? < 1296176495 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone paste that so that j-invariant can see it? < 1296176500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat I honestly don't want j-invariant to be silenced in #haskell. I hate banning/silencing people, especially when the behavior that led to it is pretty simple to avoid, and j-invariant seems to know enough to be fun to talk to < 1296176508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1296176510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo I honestly don't want j-invariant to be silenced in #haskell. I hate banning/silencing people, especially when the behavior that led to it is pretty simple to avoid, and j-invariant seems to know enough to be fun to talk to < 1296176512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo I honestly don't want j-invariant to be silenced in #haskell. I hate banning/silencing people, especially when the behavior that led to it is pretty simple to avoid, and j-invariant seems to know enough to be fun to talk to < 1296176516 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1296176519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is up with the bots < 1296176521 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I honestly don't want j-invariant to be silenced in #haskell. I hate banning/silencing people, especially when the behavior that led to it is pretty simple to avoid, and j-invariant seems to know enough to be fun to talk to < 1296176528 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I honestly don't want j-invariant to be silenced in #haskell. I hate banning/silencing people, especially when the behavior that led to it is pretty simple to avoid, and j-invariant seems to know enough to be fun to talk to < 1296176530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, it's going to come through twice < 1296176537 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is a fucking annoying twat < 1296176538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: EgoBot and HackEgo are _always_ slow, you know that perfectly well < 1296176544 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1296176548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: none of that shit. < 1296176549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx. < 1296176555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: well his temper has been shortening by the day. < 1296176561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a temporary ban is probably for the best ... < 1296176573 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: IRC is open source, so it's better than twitter < 1296176576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo j-invariant: why am I (elliott) on /ignore? < 1296176577 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why am I (elliott) on /ignore? < 1296176581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: IRC isn't software, so no it's not open source < 1296176606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: It is, however, an *open standard*. < 1296176612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo j-invariant: I seriously just want to know what I said ... < 1296176616 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I seriously just want to know what I said ... < 1296176620 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the freenode servers are open-source, as are several clients, and the standard is as well... it's about as open as can be < 1296176649 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo j-invariant because I've asked you to be civil and stop disparaging Haskell in #haskell? I'm not even sure when you ignored me or why. Can you unignore me and we can sort this out in private maybe? < 1296176650 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant because I've asked you to be civil and stop disparaging Haskell in #haskell? I'm not even sure when you ignored me or why. Can you unignore me and we can sort this out in private maybe? < 1296176668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um copumpkin < 1296176671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be good to note that that was you < 1296176672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1296176674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1296176678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we're getting mixed up botwise here < 1296176685 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes things more fun :) < 1296176686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo --copumpkin < 1296176687 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--copumpkin < 1296176690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1296176706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should point out that i consider evading ignores to be bannable. < 1296176717 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1296176725 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a power whore < 1296176726 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296176749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh is _everyone_ overreacting now... < 1296176761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1296176775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh come on, evading ignores happens in here all the time. < 1296176783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin was trying to reach a peaceful resolution to the situation in #haskell. < 1296176811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are personal insults a bannable offence? < 1296176882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was implying somewhat more extreme cases < 1296176903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what does that mean < 1296176920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1296176925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's an actual question :/ < 1296176929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't parse the sentence < 1296176950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy at least Zetsubou-sensei had the courtesy to hang himself m aybe I sh;uold < 1296177023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is j-invariant bipolar or something? < 1296177068 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1296177074 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for being hot-headed < 1296177090 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having rejoined, I shall now close my laptop and walk home! < 1296177108 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :farewell < 1296177113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ĝis. < 1296177251 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1296177283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*116559cd@*.17.101.89.205 < 1296177289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how undramatic < 1296177294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there meant to be a boss fight? < 1296177327 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll return and resume the boss fight later :) < 1296177370 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1296177390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd better level up < 1296177395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i use you as a punching bag oerjan? < 1296177520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you've ever asked before < 1296177603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bothered to ask < 1296177619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well j-invariant's been -q'd on #haskell now < 1296177623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can just forget it ever happened! >_> < 1296177660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1296177667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try that for a while < 1296177803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Egypt no longer has Internet at all. < 1296177811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1296177815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hogging their pipe < 1296177832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The local government shut down pretty much all ISPs in response to the protests. < 1296177874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mubarak doesn't mess around. < 1296177885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but he may still be fucked. < 1296177950 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296178038 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: free distributed wireless < 1296178065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define distributed < 1296178321 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of tiny routers scattered around < 1296179497 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1296179525 0 :Warrigal!ihope@thay.Stanford.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1296179576 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1296180263 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1296180873 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Mind-bogglingly slow Internet access which is extremely prone to middle-man attacks. < 1296180939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :By joining this chatroom you consent to the jurisdiction of the Principality of Gregora, Land of Hats. | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1296180949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: AMAZING < 1296180990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats ? < 1296181924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I haven't eaten much these past two days < 1296181936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually, I don't think I even ate today < 1296182100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :) < 1296182113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you realise eating is a requirement of human life < 1296182343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296182973 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-183-249.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296183089 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296183089 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296183093 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296183156 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1296183382 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296183811 0 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-30-133.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296183911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cure my headache < 1296183970 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296184030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves his hands vaguely in a southwestern direction < 1296184036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE YOU ARE < 1296184097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IT HURTS < 1296184101 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: not if you use https < 1296184115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE TOO LITTLE FAITH, ELLIOTT < 1296184121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts < 1296184129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: that doesn't solve the slow problem. or the unreliable problem. < 1296184138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: also, https is insecure if you get MITM'd < 1296184145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the man in the middle can just send you any old certificate < 1296184150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh no < 1296184152 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not if you cache your certificates < 1296184165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: so basically to use this you have to first have a real internet connetion < 1296184167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*connection < 1296184168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the certificate < 1296184170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go outside < 1296184174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then use the slow, unreliable, insecure network? < 1296184206 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you send for a USB key in the mail, plug it in, and use the internet. alternately, it comes preloaded on the PC < 1296184213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1296184217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do usb keys have to do with anything < 1296184229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAIL IN THE MIDDLE ATTACKS < 1296184230 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they can carry certificates < 1296184251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: you buy a USB key containing the certificate of every website ever? < 1296184254 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if they can get your mail, they can get anything < 1296184260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no fucking clue what you're on about < 1296184262 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, just the root certs < 1296184278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help < 1296184291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway root certs aren't a trustable model in the slighest. < 1296184294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your idea is a bad idea. :p < 1296184327 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm pretty certain there's some protocol for secure communication over an insecure medium with prior knowledge < 1296184343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: going to work on the incredibly slow and unreliable problems? < 1296184362 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would it be slow and unreliable? < 1296184379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yo join in, i have a headache and typing is hard < 1296184380 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bittorrent is fast < 1296184391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: slow because there would be many, many router hops. < 1296184392 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and reliable) < 1296184396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unreliable because routers would go out all the time. < 1296184403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: bittorrent has central trackers < 1296184406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DHT is less fast and reliable < 1296184418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: and bittorrent peers don't let you access any resource on the internet < 1296184418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prior knowledge is CAs. Discuss. < 1296184420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one specific one < 1296184434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: tell him why it's slow and unreliable with better wording than i used :P < 1296184445 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't care enough :P < 1296184491 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: everything can be optimized < 1296184497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1296184498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it can't < 1296184521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's my incredibly slow, impractical and useless architecture based on sending data by forcing pigeons to poop in a certain way over the course of a year < 1296184525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but everything can be optimised!" < 1296184999 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1296185001 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost forgot < 1296185004 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boss fight/showdown? < 1296185034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION punches copumpkin < 1296185050 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION challenges oerjan or j-invariant to a duel at midnight eastern < 1296185068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION punches copumpkin < 1296185087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolls eyes < 1296185112 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds elliott to the duel < 1296185133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills copumpkin < 1296185135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that was easy. < 1296185137 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1296185146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out headache are superpowers < 1296185182 0 :eglenn!~eglenn@209-6-93-9.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296185230 0 :eglenn!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296185562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of an idea for a language that may be more difficult to program than malbolge. It's based on Go. < 1296185574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Ok, that might be a slight exaggeration] < 1296185613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame copumpkin for this headache < 1296185617 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296185625 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1296185626 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd I do? < 1296185655 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for someone to say that the Go language is easy < 1296185685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i was assuming you meant the game here... < 1296185694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean we're trying to be _esoteric_ here... < 1296185698 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I did. I was hoping people didn't realize < 1296185725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: fuckin' faught me < 1296185727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fought < 1296185728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1296185729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splelling < 1296185730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1296185733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ban everyone < 1296185734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1296185737 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1296185763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIVING HEADACHES TO PESKY TEENAGERS MAY BE BANNABLE. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED: < 1296185765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1296185773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1296185776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i blame: EVERYONE < 1296185796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i'm goin gto murder you for that pesky remark, just as soon as i can do anything without excruciating pain < 1296185800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll turn the lights off < 1296185815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove the ko rule. Take two Go bots. Have them play eachother. The programmer gives a starting board (arranges stones) such that the bots will play in the manner that the programmer wants. To do I/O, there are specific areas on the board that should be in specific shapes by specific colors < 1296185843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't like the dark < 1296185860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't IRC with a headache? < 1296185865 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, take some medicine? < 1296185871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how not ircing would help < 1296185886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could go and get some ibuprofen, but i'm not sure where it is, and downstairs is a long way away < 1296185895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lower light seems to be helping a bit, i'll drink some more < 1296186091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>ENTERTAIN ME < 1296186120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ENTERTAIN ME < 1296186120 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `ENTERTAIN'Not in scope: data constructor `ME' < 1296186125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@data < 1296186126 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1296186128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let-data < 1296186129 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1296186132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do it in \bot again < 1296186143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they add a way to do that? < 1296186145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list let < 1296186145 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval provides: run let undefine < 1296186170 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, write some code for my esolang < 1296186181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not currently well-specified enough to code for! < 1296186197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no it actually sounds vaguely interesting, which doesn't fit my mental image of you :) < 1296186198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spec it up! < 1296186203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i dunno < 1296186209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's a way to do it for djinn isn't there? < 1296186210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data TestData = Testing1 | Testing2 < 1296186210 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Invalid declaration < 1296186214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you're the HASKELL GUY, you tell us < 1296186218 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1296186236 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you need? < 1296186243 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue how one would go about actually using the language < 1296186250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No pun intended < 1296186255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't @let actually add it to a module file? it wouldn't be too difficult to allow data too in there would it? < 1296186267 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1296186288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help undefine < 1296186288 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefine. Reset evaluator local bindings < 1296186306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and @undefine actually deletes _all_ of them iirc < 1296186360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1296186363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHAHA NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST < 1296186377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shall all die because i am in pain < 1296186393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK this hurts. < 1296186406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would care less if i could figure out WHY < 1296186407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: all i recall is that deciding which of two perfect players wins a Go game on an arbitrary-sized board is supposedly PSPACE-complete < 1296186421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah cuz gnugo is perfect :) < 1296186428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if it helps i just got some pain in my back < 1296186437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1296186443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is my punishment for being happy before < 1296186448 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming I'd have to go hunting for an appropriate bot. I should look into GnuGo < 1296186488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to program in the language depends far more on the bot than the actual game itself < 1296186536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: argh < 1296186536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnugo is the standard "open" one < 1296186550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this would be far more elegant if you made the bots instead perfect players :) < 1296186559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also 100% more unimplementable with the current state of the art) < 1296186567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also easier to reason about, probably < 1296186725 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the perfect strategy turns out to have some completely nutty seeming moves? < 1296186743 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could only guess at what a given program does < 1296186756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's rather interesting, come to think of it < 1296186766 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would also mean not writing a single line of code, though < 1296186778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a plus! < 1296186781 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which may be good, given my tendencies to put stuff down to look at the shiny < 1296186839 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier to reason about is a minus, though < 1296186854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i presume the PSPACE-completeness proof constructs game situations for which determining who wins _is_ determinable if you can solve the original problem < 1296186872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*positions < 1296186904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: easier to reason about is a plus really, easy to reason about but impossible to actually use < 1296186907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like the holy grail of esoterica < 1296186949 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, gravity does that < 1296187066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god my head hurts < 1296187071 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only real difference between PerfectPlayer-based and Gravity is that we can't know for certain that a given program does what we think it will do < 1296187085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um are you sure < 1296187088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like oerjan said it's pspace < 1296187100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there is an algorithm? < 1296187128 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the algorithm may be something that makes no sense whatsoever to current Go thought < 1296187135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm < 1296187138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ima let oerjan take over here < 1296187144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while i curl up more into this bed < 1296187179 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@p4FF6924B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296187194 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1296187194 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296187249 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296187267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to solve a pspace-problem it is completely permissible to search through all branches < 1296187286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right obviously there is an algorithm < 1296187288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a very slow one < 1296187289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it's sort of obvious that Go should be in pspace < 1296187355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition of the language would ... no it wouldn't. I was thinking it would have to be different, but probably the programmer would fill most of the board. They'd have to do that for GnuGo-based anyway, right? < 1296187364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to reason about it effectively? < 1296187379 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more along the lines of a few stones on the board, for some reason < 1296187419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd guess a few stones would mean it is completely impossible for _us_ to determine who has the win < 1296187433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can obviously not program efficiently with it < 1296187455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ehat would help this headache < 1296187474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehat? < 1296187605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heat < 1296187836 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "who has the win" that I had in mind. It's "These stones get placed here to do X" < 1296187837 0 :acetoline!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :blow_me < 1296187845 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thanks. < 1296187866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :bro_mine < 1296187868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1296187871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was meant to be a nick < 1296187891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1296187906 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts elliott to sleep < 1296187922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youaer'e all fuckers < 1296187931 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, feel better soon < 1296187933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except those who are blowers < 1296187936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you all and you should all die :))))) < 1296187945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sadly, at this point, I'm not a fucker < 1296187983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only katie a.t. the alluded-to-female whose name is constantly elongated believed that orange juice caused love instead < 1296187985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that sentence sort of < 1296187986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trainwrecked < 1296187988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :midway through < 1296187996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't even remember what it says at this point... < 1296187999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1296188031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1296188044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiii < 1296188046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you < 1296188063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsing reddit < 1296188071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow people actually use fvwm < 1296188080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite atonhing < 1296188090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/6hJAm.png http://i.imgur.com/6hJAm.png http://i.imgur.com/6hJAm.png http://i.imgur.com/6hJAm.png http://i.imgur.com/6hJAm.png http://i.imgur.com/6hJAm.png < 1296188092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fjf < 1296188093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lsdal < 1296188127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely thinks fvwm was the wm on his last office linux machine < 1296188143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs xteddy < 1296188184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay there's a teddy bear on my desktop < 1296188197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, the mouse cursor changes to a heart when you hover over it < 1296188200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xpedobear < 1296188200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is advanced magic shit < 1296188287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what fvwm users are like http://www.xteddy.org/fvwmquiz.rbx < 1296188390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: people, aren't tehy crazy < 1296188399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1296188449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tehy might < 1296188469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1296188518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever tehy are < 1296188530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1296188594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/f5fzt/what_books_should_i_read_to_get_up_to_speed_on/c1df2e9 this is the weirdest reddit post ever < 1296188598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first its like reasonable advice < 1296188601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's like < 1296188607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's how to do this thing you never asked about < 1296188609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in excruciating detail < 1296188611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1296188613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDIT 2 < 1296188615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I forgot < 1296188619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's even more instructions you didn't ask for < 1296188622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. i'm not lying < 1296188631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the source code of this playlist i wrote for this occasion! < 1296188633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see it's not malicious < 1296188634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am not bad < 1296188644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head hurts < 1296188741 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.158.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296188769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1296188784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there an analouge of fs=1:1:zipWith(+)fs(tail fs) for factoryalllle < 1296188791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my QkwestiO!N < 1296188794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!11111 < 1296188796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L0!L£ < 1296188821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf spelling? < 1296188849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah jst accept it < 1296188853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (*) [1..] < 1296188853 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,6,24,120,720,5040,40320,362880,3628800,39916800,479001600,6227020800,8... < 1296188855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the only thing that gives me pleasure in this kind of state < 1296188861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice, i think i've seen that before < 1296188866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (*) [0..] < 1296188867 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,... < 1296188871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (*) 0 [1..] < 1296188872 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[t1] -> t' < 1296188872 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[a]' < 1296188873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (*) 0 [1..] < 1296188874 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,... < 1296188881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (*) 1 [0..] < 1296188883 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[t1] -> t' < 1296188883 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `[a]' < 1296188886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (*) 1 [0..] < 1296188888 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,... < 1296188890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (*) 1 [1..] < 1296188891 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,6,24,120,720,5040,40320,362880,3628800,39916800,479001600,6227020800... < 1296188894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1296188896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yay! < 1296188910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fact = (scanl (*) 1 [1..])!! in fact 1000 < 1296188911 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `in' < 1296188916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fact = (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !!) in fact 1000 < 1296188917 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 402387260077093773543702433923003985719374864210714632543799910429938512398... < 1296188932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YAEY < 1296188935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!0101011 < 1296188937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POOP < 1296188960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p00O0o)O)o0o0oo0oO)O)O))O)O)O)O)OO)))))))))))))PPPPPPpppppppq < 1296189017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..1000] < 1296189017 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 402387260077093773543702433923003985719374864210714632543799910429938512398... < 1296189155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but is the former fact not more efficient < 1296189157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it memoises < 1296189187 0 :blow_me!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :acetoline < 1296189188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you look at more than one value... < 1296189216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, if you don't it's ofc equivalent < 1296189227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but the memoising function is preferable for the memoising reason < 1296189237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: although it feels a bit upsettingly manual. < 1296189242 0 :acetoline!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :blow_me < 1296189242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1296189262 0 :blow_me!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :acetoline < 1296189270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let fib _ 0 = 0; fib _ 1 = 1; fib me n = me (n-1) + me (n-2) in fib < 1296189272 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t a. (Num a, Num t) => (t -> a) -> t -> a < 1296189286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can we transform this into the list-based fib? < 1296189301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let fib _ 0 = 0; fib _ 1 = 1; fib me n = me (n-1) + me (n-2); fibs = map (fib (fibs!!)) [0..] in fibs < 1296189303 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => [a] < 1296189305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fib _ 0 = 0; fib _ 1 = 1; fib me n = me (n-1) + me (n-2); fibs = map (fib (fibs!!)) [0..] in fibs < 1296189306 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1296189324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fib' _ 0 = 0; fib' _ 1 = 1; fib' me n = me (n-1) + me (n-2); fibs = map (fib' fib) [0..]; fib = (fibs!!) in fib 1000 < 1296189326 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 434665576869374564356885276750406258025646605173717804024817290895365554179... < 1296189330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hooray! < 1296189339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really nice, i wonder what algorithms it is applicable to < 1296189344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you can package this up as a generic function < 1296189369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> let foos = map (f foo) [0..]; foo = (foos!!) in foo < 1296189370 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (Num a, Enum a) => ((Int -> b) -> a -> b) -> Int -> b < 1296189381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \f -> let foos = map (f foo) [0..]; foo = (foos!!) in foo < 1296189382 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fst . fix . (`ap` snd) . (. fst) . (flip ((,) . (!!)) .) . flip flip [0..] . (map .) < 1296189385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1296189390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've seen something like it called memoize < 1296189400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah but the point here is that the recursion is factored out < 1296189415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1296189434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let memoFix :: ((Int -> a) -> Int -> a) -> (Int -> a); memoFix f = let foos = map (f foo) [0..]; foo = (foos!!) in foo < 1296189435 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1296189464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fact' _ 0 = 1; fact' me n = n * fact' me (n-1); fact = memoFix fact' in fact 1000 < 1296189466 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1296189473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is cool, too bad it only works for Ints without some hackery < 1296189478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1296189479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1296189485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1296189491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fact' _ 0 = 1; fact' me n = n * me (n-1); fact = memoFix fact' in fact 1000 < 1296189493 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1296189496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1296189500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is not so efficient then? < 1296189517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will retraverse the list whenever looking up stuff < 1296189544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the direct list version can optimize because it always knows it needs the previous two values < 1296189558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1296189561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sad < 1296189578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Trie may be somewhat more efficient < 1296189587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah but that starts getting heavy-duty and stuff < 1296189603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad that generalising something simple results in a complexity change : < 1296189604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1296189763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell/Denotational_semantics says that _|_+1 must = _|_ < 1296189767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not true with lazy naturals < 1296189805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not all Functions in Strict Languages are Strict < 1296189805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This section is wrong." < 1296189825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still rather hard to avoid _either_ _|_+1 = _|_ or 1+_|_ = _|_ < 1296189875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can do it with lub I think < 1296189919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lub [\Zero y -> y, \x Zero -> x, \(Succ x) y -> Succ (add x y), \x (Succ y) -> Succ (add x y)] < 1296189926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but then lub is magical! :) < 1296189931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does \bot have lub < 1296189931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lub < 1296189933 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `lub' < 1296189944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses concurrency i assume < 1296189958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, it's specified that your function must Obey Ze Rules < 1296189973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i.e., if two cases could apply (i.e. one of them isn't _|_), then they have to produce equal values < 1296189978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lub < 1296189979 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `lub' < 1296189984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but also: < 1296189984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Lub is an experiment in computing least upper information bounds on (partially defined) functional values. It provides a lub function that is consistent with the unamb operator but has a more liberal precondition. Where unamb requires its arguments to equal when neither is bottom, lub is able to synthesize a value from the partial information contained in both of its arguments. < 1296189990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Conal thing :P < 1296190004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lub was used in that blog post that defined arithmetic on "data Omega = W Omega" < 1296190012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "zero = zero" and "succ = W" < 1296190022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where unamb requires its arguments to equal when neither is bottom, lub is able to synthesize a value from the partial information contained in both of its arguments, which is useful with non-flat types. < 1296190025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that is cool < 1296190061 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296190174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: based on http://conal.net/blog/posts/merging-partial-values/ it seems < 1296190198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm what is that ~ he uses before the patterns? < 1296190215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: great news!! my headache disappeared < 1296190217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: party < 1296190256 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dances for elliott < 1296190352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *Main> add one bot < 1296190352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S ^CInterrupted. < 1296190352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> add bot one < 1296190352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S ^CInterrupted. < 1296190354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://hpaste.org/43387/lazy_conats < 1296190358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hąateīinisiyô! < 1296190377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ~ is lazy matching < 1296190381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does that work < 1296190433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case Nothing of ~(Just x) -> x; _ -> "hm..." < 1296190433 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: :(3,0)-(4,21): Irrefutable pattern failed for pat... < 1296190434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A lazy pattern match can't fail. < 1296190449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it can, but that's _|_. < 1296190479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: phail :D < 1296190484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need ~_ < 1296190495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um that _was_ the intended effect < 1296190510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He was demonstrating that a failed lazy pattern match is _|_. < 1296190522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1296190524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not checked that the value _is_ a Just until it's actually used < 1296190528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1296190529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> mul two (add bot two) < 1296190529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S (S (S (S < 1296190529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1296190540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*(_|_+2) = 4+_|_ < 1296190572 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1296190648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src -> &&& < 1296190648 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. < 1296190652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://hpaste.org/43388/lazy_conats_annotation?pid=43388&lang_43388=Haskell < 1296190654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src &&& < 1296190654 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f &&& g = arr (\b -> (b,b)) >>> f *** g < 1296190654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: full source < 1296190665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src &&& -> < 1296190665 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. :( < 1296190671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1296190687 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296190692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also "mul (add bot one) inf" = inf < 1296190697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. (_|_+1)*inf = inf < 1296190708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: although it piles on S's quite slowly :) < 1296190742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Data.Lub> (⊥,False) ⊔ (True,⊥) < 1296190742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(True,False) < 1296190742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Data.Lub> (⊥,(⊥,False)) ⊔ ((),(⊥,⊥)) ⊔ (⊥,(True,⊥)) < 1296190742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((),(True,False)) < 1296190743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1296190758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1296190786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks logs for unicode < 1296190799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |_| is the symbol < 1296190804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: didn't you fix your client? :( < 1296190823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only shows european alphabets < 1296190833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thereabouts < 1296190835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i could help you fix that but i doubt you're bothered :P < 1296190848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey you can implement a cond function that works like "cond _|_ x x = x" with lub! < 1296190857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1296190880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: condc x y = lubs [ if c then x else y, x, y ] < 1296190890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cond c x y = lubs [ (if c then x else y), x, y ] < 1296190898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your use of unamb in defining if' does not meet the required precondition (of information-compatible arguments). From a conversation on #haskell, I know you’ve come up with a really beautiful correct definition. I’d love to see you post the correct version for all to admire. < 1296190900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw darn < 1296190904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the proper solution is < 1296190950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- | Multiplication optimized for either argument being zero or one, where < 1296190950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- the other might be expensive/delayed. < 1296190950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptimes :: (HasLub a, Num a) => a -> a -> a < 1296190950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptimes = parCommute times < 1296190950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : where < 1296190950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 `times` _ = 0 < 1296190952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 `times` b = b < 1296190954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a `times` b = a*b < 1296190956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, lub as optimisation < 1296191011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah x and y may not be compatible even if c is non-bottom < 1296191018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1296191019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's the problem < 1296191033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cond c x y = lubs [ (if c then x else y), if x == y then x else undefined ] < 1296191036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that won't work on [1..] ofc :) < 1296191044 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1296191048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least conal said luke (palmer) came up with a correct solution < 1296191050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, unposted < 1296191060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i could trawl the #haskell logs :) < 1296191194 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1296191329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tell me to go in a minute < 1296191384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1296191388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1296191447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lubs [ if lubs [c, True] then x else y, if lubs [c, False] then y else x ] < 1296191456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just guessing... < 1296191467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lubs [x,y] == lub x y < 1296191468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1296191482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's awesome :) < 1296191503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually can you use lubs on two incompatible values if you want the result to be bottom? < 1296191510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eh? < 1296191515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : otherwise i think there's a problem there < 1296191518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually can you use lubs on two incompatible values if you want the result to be bottom? < 1296191519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rephrase? < 1296191545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rephrase: i don't think the above works if c is non-bottom < 1296191558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right < 1296191566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter turns into True `lub` False, say < 1296191586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (if c then x else y) `lub` lubs [ if lubs [c, True] then x else y, if lubs [c, False] then y else x ] < 1296191591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wild guess :P < 1296191593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's wrong < 1296191597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if c=True and x is _|_ < 1296191600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it invokes the second bit < 1296191604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which violates the rules < 1296191656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay my uclibc works < 1296191660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :builds ii < 1296191746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go < 1296191752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, just a min < 1296191755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a bit late < 1296192006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok goodnight :) < 1296192028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1296193101 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296193128 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1296193271 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296193310 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Bromine ----> | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1296194448 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More odd games with routing: Now two interfaces share an IP address... < 1296195889 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1296196092 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some strange chess..... what if you are allowed to promote your pawns into pieces of opponent's color? < 1296196138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall seeing a chess problem based on that < 1296196151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1296196194 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is on Wikipedia. < 1296196199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke_chess_problem#Offbeat_interpretations_of_the_rules_of_chess < 1296196210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just found it < 1296196226 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also the problem based on the rule, if you are allowed to castle with a rook that has just been added by promoting a pawn. < 1296196331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Castling with a rook that was just promoted from a pawn? < 1296196333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O' < 1296196378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the same link < 1296196799 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296196817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/xDtDL.jpg :D < 1296197165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on < 1296197183 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should have used that in a tournament, if the rules of the time allowed it < 1296197289 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it can be made a variant, with rules such as allowing to promote into opponent's pieces, even if you also make the rule that you are only allowed to promote to pieces which have already been lost. < 1296197561 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1296198686 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they did < 1296198704 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the puzzle was how they got fixed < 1296200938 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296201012 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296201599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1296201600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1296202077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1296202132 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296202750 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1296205696 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296205736 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1296210337 0 :aloril_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1296210465 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1296210978 0 :evincar_!~chatzilla@129.21.117.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296210983 0 :evincar_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :evincar < 1296210989 0 :acetoline!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1296211008 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up in here these days? < 1296211121 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not much. < 1296211349 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014] < 1296211634 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296211649 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228061197.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296212007 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296212033 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1296213033 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1296213308 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296216815 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1296218050 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what the heck is going on with APNIC/IANA... < 1296218616 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1296218941 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296219530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the speculation is true and they're planning a big party, with those party hats and noise-makers and so on. < 1296219799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296219823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The New Scientist has used Kurzweil's estimate for the Singularity as fact. < 1296219843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose I shouldn't have been expecting standards that high anyway. < 1296219900 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it isn't a 6 digit IPv6 address (from Fox universe)... :-) < 1296219945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually interviewed him and were uncritical of his whole life-extending crap. < 1296219952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was a few weeks ago.) < 1296220040 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, most life extension and health stuff is crap. < 1296220322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so transparently obvious that Kurzweil is just desperately trying to hide from his own mortality by any means possible. < 1296221037 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296221050 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181134035.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296221068 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what APNIC figures for today will be... < 1296221095 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those will appear in few hours... < 1296221369 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1296221877 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296222008 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g231048037.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296222294 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1296222307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable! < 1296223568 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1296223694 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296223713 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296223748 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296223792 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g231051210.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296224923 0 :choochter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: lang may yer lum reek.. < 1296224966 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-174.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296225374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow wrt Egypt. < 1296225428 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1296225968 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033089.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1296225971 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1296225974 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need help < 1296225987 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know of any 2-opcode, 0-parameter esolang? < 1296226336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "opcode". < 1296226346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are languages with two syntactic elements, yes. < 1296228017 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296228150 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181137209.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296228810 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1296229420 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.24 < 1296229510 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's crazy low... < 1296229558 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 weeks ago it was 2.01, so 0.77 in 2 weeks... < 1296229912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296230083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296230178 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 3 blogposts in a row blaming wheat in Dr. Davis' blog... :-) < 1296230196 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blaming wheat for IPv4 depletion? < 1296230212 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blaming wheat for various health problems... < 1296230230 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also IPv4 depletion. < 1296230244 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farmers got IP address blocks as subsidies. < 1296230305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have thought they taught you this in Farmingdale, Sgeo. < 1296230350 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That rate is about 1.5 a month. APNIC will allocate about 4.80 in phases 1 and 2. That's sightly more than 3 months... Ouch. < 1296230378 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1296230456 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would mean APNIC depletion in May (of course, not a serious model, but I have seen estimates even more pessimistic than that). < 1296230480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought depletion was estimated to start in less than a month? < 1296230546 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC allocates those last blocks in few days at most. That date was about APNIC RIR depletion. < 1296230750 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Wonder how much has APNIC allocated in December and January? < 1296231030 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1296231044 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :38 927 872 addresses (2.32 blocks) < 1296231131 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296231222 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be about 1.2 blocks per month. Not quite as bad as 1.5 per month but that would still deplete the pool in about 4 months... < 1296231403 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: The current predicted time to first RIR depletion is about 8 months... This would amount to exhaustion in half the time. < 1296231480 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And note: No discontinuous run-on-the-bank after IANA depletion is assumed... < 1296231508 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the biggest reason for this: "We can't model panic.") < 1296231948 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1296233503 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296233545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296233588 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1296233619 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296233633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads the Windows version of a program because the Linux version crashes due to shared library problems. < 1296233638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just idiocy. < 1296233645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a but upset about opendylan failing that nowww test < 1296233664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1296233666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better nowww than laterrr < 1296233696 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover ? < 1296233703 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, try going to opendylan.org. Then try www.opendylan.org < 1296233956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, was that to the thing about shared library thing? < 1296233969 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : variable! < 1296233984 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, if that is not an open-source version of Bob Dylan I will be severely disappointed. < 1296233989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, I just do that sometimes. < 1296234013 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I AM SEVERELY DISAPPOINTED < 1296234018 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright :-| < 1296234601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to Slashdot, the Internet's been shut off in Egypt < 1296234606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't found a comment contradicting that yet < 1296234610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty shocking < 1296234773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1296234784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Inglip people just _had_ to make a wiki on Wikia < 1296235484 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033089.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1296235713 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-1350817/Le-Whaf-Now-theres-food-dont-eat-INHALE.html < 1296235741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was _so excited_, then "Best of all, each breath (or whaf) contains hardly any calories so you can have as much as you like without gaining weight. < 1296235741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1296235748 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1296235821 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover < 1296235832 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by two opcodes i probably meant syntatic elements, yes < 1296235836 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are the languages < 1296235846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/01/egypt-leaves-the-internet.shtml is posted about the Egyptian internet loss by people who apparently know what they're doing < 1296235857 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to make a computer in my own game, 64pixels < 1296235891 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and due to 2D limitations i can only have two "instructions" < 1296235916 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of this, for example: "] move right, skip next command if byte at pointer is 1" and "* flip bit" < 1296235957 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi siekierka < 1296235958 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais < 1296235966 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's fail... < 1296235973 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm reading a story by von daeniken, it has a protagonist named ais < 1296235979 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one Sgeo posted) < 1296235982 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however ais is a woman.. < 1296235986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: probably coincidence < 1296235992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's been everywhere in the "regular" news; also funny quote from an interview of the Renesys folks: "'We have enough Internet here [in the US] that we can have our own Internet,' he told the AP. 'If you cut it off, that leads to a philosophical question: Who got cut off from the Internet, us or the rest of the world?'" < 1296236026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you end up with two internets, obviously < 1296236035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notion of an internet doesn't imply it's necessarily singular < 1296236046 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296236054 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1296236055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that if you have more than one, it's likely that they'll be connected, so you generally have one big Internet as a result < 1296236056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari < 1296236061 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais how's it going < 1296236069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, FFS, It's the _Mail_. Its journalistic standards are second to all but, say, your average school magazine. < 1296236071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although I'm a bit busy in real life < 1296236082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : We're talking about multiple Internets. < 1296236086 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah. Having at least one root server and servers for your ccTLD and most important gTLDs is enough... < 1296236129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I just want to know why they weren't wondering, if it's how people eat in the future, where they get what they need to survive from < 1296236143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I think you can have an internet even without DNS < 1296236151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need is a global routing table that scans multiple networks < 1296236154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, they don't think. I am surprised that they even write. < 1296236184 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: remember that video you posted a long time ago with the bears crossing the street (cyriak cycles)? well my son remembered it and watched to watch it again, you seem to be dialed into the 5yr old mind. < 1296236198 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahahaha < 1296236213 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**wanted to watch < 1296236253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OED subscribes to the "an internet; the Internet" theory: "internet, v. intr. Originally, esp. of networks: to be connected together. Later: to be connected to the Internet; to communicate using the Internet. Also trans.: to connect to the Internet or an internet." < 1296236269 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, having DNS helps... < 1296236275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: indeed < 1296236303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's loyal army of remote controlled five year olds < 1296236315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically we are doomed < 1296236336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY ARE ARMED WITH PEN ROCKETS < 1296236354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for the noun: "Originally (in form internet): a computer network consisting of or connecting a number of smaller networks, such as two or more local area networks connected by a shared communications protocol; spec. such a network (called ARPAnet) operated by the U.S. Defense Department. In later use (usu. the Internet): the global computer network (which evolved out of ARPAnet) providing a variety of information and communication facilities to its users, a < 1296236355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nd consisting of a loose confederation of interconnected networks which use standardized communication protocols; (also) the information available on this network." < 1296236367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs Google when you have fizzie. < 1296236370 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, nutrional defiencies are already rampant (basically the only one that isn't deficient is calories, unless you are on diet)... :-) < 1296236411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you insist going by the first definition, you most likely have "the internet" now in Egypt too; I find it rather unlikely there wouldn't be at least two networks still connected to each other there. < 1296236478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IRC is better for gaining info than the Internet, in many cases < 1296236498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if I want to know about IPv4 depletion, asking Ilari is likely to give more up-to-the-minute and precise information than trying to find it on Google < 1296236523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: apparently there aren't, though; not only is the Internet cut off, but so are mobile phones < 1296236560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm pretty sure there's still at least one company that has two LANs in, say, two floors of a building, and a network in-between. < 1296236578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syria may have been cut off as well. < 1296236594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah; although, don't companies normally have just the one LAN? < 1296236608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, internet really implies networks connected at the BGP level < 1296236624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it again depends on how L you define the LAN. < 1296236634 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citation seems to be lacking for that, though. < 1296236672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least some sort of a large university campus might have rather separate networks in there. < 1296236709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION subtly hints to ais523 that IRC is part of the Internet < 1296236723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ISIDTID? < 1296236725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly it's still geographically pretty local, assuming the operators have cut all their per-customer-dedicated-link routings.) < 1296236733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I meant to say the Web < 1296236735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What? < 1296236740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and messed up due to the subject of conversation < 1296236744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm well aware of the distinction < 1296236745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the Syria thing is false. < 1296236759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you don't know what ISIDTID means? < 1296236774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Say I Do Therefore I Do < 1296236792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About 140 results" and all those look pretty Agora-centric. < 1296236799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly not what I'd call common vocabulary. < 1296236832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's a fallacy that's theoretically applicable anywhere, but generally only becomes relevant in nomics < 1296236834 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, getting every nutrient and such one needs to survive from modern food is bit so and so... < 1296237007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall seeing a technical term for something similar < 1296237214 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1296237364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_utterance < 1296237419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I didn't realise the argument about whether those could be true or false had spread to Wikipedia too < 1296237580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I quit! < 1296237605 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, surely it's obvious that they're falsE? < 1296237607 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*false < 1296237634 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can be < 1296237685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: read the article to see a summary of the arguments < 1296239172 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296239200 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g229030105.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296239387 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1296239430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, with IPv6 enabled the FUnet (Finnish university network) file archive's HTTP frontend no longer works (well, or no-www fails, anyway): http://p.zem.fi/funet6 -- if you connect with v4, it redirects to www.; if you connect with v6, it ends up in an infinite redirect loop. < 1296239450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit of a shame, since www.nic.funet.fi works just fine with both ways of connecting. < 1296239495 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so envious of you lot and your IPv6. < 1296239523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always 6to4. < 1296239554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear even some "consumer-grade" broadband router-boxes do 6to4 nowadays. < 1296239625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6to4#Consumer_routers_with_6to4_support < 1296239627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not that many. < 1296239632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and Windows Vista does Teredo, but it's off by default < 1296239826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have a fancy anycast address for Teredo too, or is that a 6to4 exclusive? < 1296239891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUnet has a 6to4 relay, I remember that's where my 192.88.99.1 connections went back when I was in the university student apartments. < 1296239893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1296240104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they did the thing that didn't exist back then: an automatic system-thingie that lets you delegate the reverse-DNS zone corresponding to your 6to4 /48 block. < 1296240136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it seems to be "still in a testing phase" since 2004. < 1296240347 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Kernel IPv6 routing table is quite WTF... < 1296240456 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : RT @thetorpedodog: IPv4 exhaustion party: everybody brings an EXTREMELY SMALL amount of alcohol and pretends to be surprised when it's gone. < 1296240513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1296240518 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-151.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296241653 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there those very small alcoholic drink bottles that only hold few centiliters? < 1296241751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1296241766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense for strong liquor. < 1296242161 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< BestWorstAdvice> Hate being bothered with an Internet bill every month? Move to Egypt. < 1296242447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Yes; there are 2cl, 3cl, 5cl sized bottles. < 1296242542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Katie A.T. has something going on in her life, where I have something similar going on in my life that isn't less bad than what's going on in hers. < 1296242545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a first < 1296242567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to parse that. < 1296242808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you just broke PH. < 1296242827 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon the magic smoke will come out. < 1296243143 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad things in her life seem to correspond to things in my life that aren't as bad, or that shouldn't be. She, for example, has a very good reason that she doesn't drive. But this particular bad thing is just about as bad for me < 1296243919 0 :acetoline!~acetoline@122.58.180.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296243998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omelettes are delicious. Especially when you just figured out how to make them by thinking about it for a bit. < 1296244040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make them without killing a few people, I've heard. (From the internet.) < 1296244068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just eggs. < 1296244080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mass murder is entirely optional. < 1296244092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty sure exceptionally delicious. < 1296244355 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, stuff made from good ingredients tends to be much better than procesed crap... :-) < 1296244739 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1296246045 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1296246060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo removed my damn logs from the topic again < 1296246079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Bromine | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1296246097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? < 1296246104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1296246115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Inasmuch as zzo's actions can be comprehended by the relatively sane.) < 1296246254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Bromine | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://example.com < 1296246524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:24:19 It's so transparently obvious that Kurzweil is just desperately trying to hide from his own mortality by any means possible. < 1296246524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is kurzweil even signed up for cryonics? < 1296246531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: example.com: THE BEST LOGS < 1296246597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was a log < 1296246629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But they ARE. < 1296246653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, we should just make a one-off channel, say the content of example.com, and then never use it again that day < 1296246702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example.com is a redirect now < 1296246722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Now talking on #example.com < 1296246722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* kornbluth.freenode.net sets mode +n #example.com < 1296246722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* kornbluth.freenode.net sets mode +t #example.com < 1296246729 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@86.241.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296246739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should have /nick IANA'd :) < 1296246805 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANAN = I Am Not A Number? < 1296246850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA = Internet Assigned Numbers Authority :P < 1296246874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, example.com looks a lot funkier than it used to < 1296246882 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... nothing to do with number 6 then :-( < 1296246890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just said, it's a redirect < 1296246891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: :) < 1296246897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh oerjan doesn't know what ISIDTID means < 1296246899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLDSCHOOL < 1296246903 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a free variable < 1296246916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, I like the implication that you /do/ need IANA's permission to use any domain except example.com and its relatives as examples < 1296246918 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, variable is, anyway < 1296246929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you basically do < 1296246934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, wait < 1296246935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as examples < 1296246939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind :) < 1296246942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you mean, to use a domain name < 1296246950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1296246951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to register it < 1296246988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:00:04 RT @thetorpedodog: IPv4 exhaustion party: everybody brings an EXTREMELY SMALL amount of alcohol and pretends to be surprised when it's gone. < 1296246988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1296247017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:34:50 Huh. Katie A.T. has something going on in her life, where I have something similar going on in my life that isn't less bad than what's going on in hers. < 1296247017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:34:54 That's a first < 1296247018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1296247028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also *Katie A.T. the Alluded-To Female, her name was extended by forceful deed poll < 1296247035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is IPv4 exhausted yet? < 1296247057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we there yet? < 1296247058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we there yet? < 1296247058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we there yet? < 1296247061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we there yet? < 1296247070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still maintain that KT-AT is the best. < 1296247084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ktat, pronounced "ctat". < 1296247106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296247109 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1296247118 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001f5b00390f-CM001e6b2335dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296247136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what you have to do to compile a gcc that will compile programs with another libc? hmm, I guess it might be able to do it without editing any spec files < 1296247146 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, not yet... < 1296247149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I want it to compile statically by default with uClibc < 1296247149 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1296247160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _think_ that you link with uClibc and its start files in the same manner as glibc < 1296247164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably just using it should work < 1296247167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the static-by-default thing? < 1296247231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, http://bent.latency.net/bent/git/gcc-3.4.6/spec may hold the clue < 1296247236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : make BOOT_LDFLAGS="-static" bootstrap < 1296247261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=6132 < 1296247270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I need that patch, I'm going to use uClibc's libstdc++ < 1296247275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cxx.uclibc.org/ < 1296247286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ++ scares me < 1296247337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's libstd(c++), not (libstdc)++ < 1296247347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uClibc++ is just uClibc's version of it < 1296247351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, the first is somehow scarier than the second < 1296247353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than GNU's which most people use < 1296247358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it ships with gcc, not glibc < 1296247358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you actually intend to compile C++ < 1296247368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, why else would I get the library? < 1296247374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not intending to compile C++? < 1296247375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I was scared < 1296247379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand < 1296247388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just naturally assumed that nobody sane would actually want to use C++ < 1296247391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because I'm a distributor, I have to compile other people's terrible software for the masses < 1296247396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for instance, WebKit < 1296247404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought it was more natural that you were using a C++ library for C by mistake, than actually compiling C++ < 1296247408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as such, I need a C++ compiler and a libstdc++ < 1296247408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1296247421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, such is the plight of the distributor < 1296247557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try actually compiling gcc < 1296247559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds, "fun" < 1296247564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it! < 1296247567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with custom patches, indeed < 1296247574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've done it too, but never cross-libc < 1296247588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to compile gcc statically with uClibc so that it compiles programs with uClibc < 1296247590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of my build script runs the compilation halfway, then runs a Perl script over a generated Makefile to change it, then does the other half of the build < 1296247605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how stable is the gcc 4.5 series? < 1296247614 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1296247626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, for what? < 1296247627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf? < 1296247645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1296247750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does gcc-bf work? < 1296247774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarily < 1296247775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Support has been removed for the protoize and unprotoize utilities, obsoleted in GCC 4.4. < 1296247778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booooo! < 1296247791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: say it with me < 1296247792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booooo! < 1296247808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm: If a header named in a #include directive is not found, the compiler exits immediately. This avoids a cascade of errors arising from declarations expected to be found in that header being missing. < 1296247810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, did you ever actually "release" that x86 BF superoptimisey compiler on the wiki? < 1296247839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pikhq's compiler isn't the best out there. < 1296247844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotope has far superior optimisation. < 1296247847 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1296247851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fyi < 1296247869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff) (hist) . . m Joke language list‎; 08:29 . . (+10) . . Kraftfeld (Talk | contribs) (added BitZ, a BF variant with more freedom in graphics design) < 1296247871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**sigh** < 1296247877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) not a joke language < 1296247880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) FUCKING BF VARIANTS FUCK < 1296247890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought he made it because esotope produces very optimised C, but that C was not compiled into very well-optimised C. < 1296247901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, he made it because he was bored. < 1296247911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: GCC and clang do wonders to esotope's C. < 1296247943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed it, looked like another BF derivative < 1296247946 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR him saying that it did all kinds of stupid things when compiled. Something to do with pushing something to the stack and popping it far more often than necessary. < 1296247946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, that compiler outputs assembly. < 1296247947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at in detail, because < 1296247951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^ < 1296247953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed < 1296247962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you said it did ELF as well! < 1296247963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not that I know of. < 1296247963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was complaining about GCC's output.\ < 1296247968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang does a better job than gcc. < 1296247968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh. < 1296247972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on esotope code. < 1296247978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also clang's, but to a lesser extent. < 1296247988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And esotope's high-level optimisations are far more relevant. < 1296248006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esotope's insanely awesome high-level optimisations are far more relevant than my reasonable low-level ones. < 1296248038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who votes that we make a Brainfuck derivative namespace on the wiki and sling all of the crap into there. < 1296248074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't even find the compiler any more. :( < 1296248185 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SomeEnthusiast < 1296248203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there it is. < 1296248302 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19:00:04 RT @thetorpedodog: IPv4 exhaustion party: everybody brings an EXTREMELY SMALL amount of alcohol and pretends to be surprised when it's gone. -> nope: everybody brings an EXTREMELY SMALL amount of alcohol to your friend's house and get really surprised when your entire class shows up < 1296248315 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current guess for the X-day: Monday 31st... < 1296248350 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie - it was an experimental thing never designed for real world use :-) ) < 1296248411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Chlorine | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://example.com < 1296248512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONCE I HIT FLUORINE DO I GO AROUND TO ASTATINE OR DO I START GOING DOWN < 1296248518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NOT THOUGHT THIS THROUGH < 1296248560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wat < 1296248588 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I decided that there was clearly a halogen theme going on and that I should continue it, without regard to the consequences. < 1296248596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cursed by my own hubris! < 1296248607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were making a Minecraft joke :D < 1296248785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's worth pointing out that even I have a BF derivative < 1296248786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two, in fact < 1296248798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think they're both interesting due to not obviously being TC < 1296248805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, PREPARE FOR BRICKBRAINNESS < 1296248810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not obviously BF-complete, either < 1296248818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, gcc is distributed in both monolithic and modular forms < 1296248819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1296248851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be only monolithic < 1296248863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they started making it modular after clang < 1296248891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1296248899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I just want gcc-core and gcc-g++, but I'll download the monolithic one < 1296248902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less of a headache to start with < 1296248911 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha... "Yeah, I'm sure the fires in the street across from the Hilton and sound of gunshots that Al Jazeera is live streaming on the web right now is all CGI and sound effects too." < 1296248994 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1296249079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: context? < 1296249164 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Especially when Egyptian state media releases statements like this: '1628: Egyptian state TV channel al-Misriyah plays down protests, saying they are peaceful, and quotes a local official condemning Al Jazeera TV for "misinforming" the public.'" < 1296249190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1296249205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how Al Jazeera got the video, if Egypt has locked down communication < 1296249223 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satellite links? < 1296249229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that would make sense < 1296249245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egypt has locked down domestic ISPs and is very much controlling domestic media. < 1296249260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al Jazeera is out of Qatar. < 1296249282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did nobody tell me that making a Linux distro is difficult? :) < 1296249301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :journalists normally do have satellite uplinks < 1296249351 0 :SomeEnthusiast!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :copumpkin < 1296249462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders if gcc 3 was more stable than gcc 4 is < 1296249493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc only supports out of tree builds, right? < 1296249512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed < 1296249526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if it supports in-tree-subdirectory builds < 1296249533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, autohell sucks at those < 1296249554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what gcc's NLS does < 1296249557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :localise error messages? < 1296249589 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, now that we will have all 6 million IPv4's from #Egypt available again. Lets procrastinate #ipv6 implementation?" < 1296249606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1296249624 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 6 million? < 1296249626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if gold works well with static linking < 1296249629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that joke's been made before in this channel < 1296249631 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :individual universities have more than that < 1296249725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know when gcc is going to start including c++ code? < 1296249744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Hey, look, it's a day's worth! < 1296249886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1296249890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--with-boot-ldflags=-static < 1296249897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't link with uclibc though < 1296249897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1296250398 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296250629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What joe? < 1296250632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke? < 1296250711 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1296250729 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230228038.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296250739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-, you just missed it in #haskell < 1296250747 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1296250754 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1296250755 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the flood? < 1296252536 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1296252623 0 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-84-154.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1296252731 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1296253013 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296253541 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Farewell < 1296253586 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1296253635 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only other people in here who are interested in TeXnicard are the people who never type anything on here anymore but are still on here. < 1296253659 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are interested in egypt tho < 1296253695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you removed my logs from the topic :( < 1296253722 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so. I think they are still there. < 1296253728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I added them back. < 1296253731 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Can you write Egyptian hieroglyphics? < 1296253735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you set the topic you took them out. < 1296253747 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oops maybe I made a mistake. < 1296253751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ok. < 1296253789 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herobrine forgives you and forgets you < 1296253811 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Can you type computer program in Egyptian hieroglyphics? < 1296253887 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is herobrine? < 1296253961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damnit Notch. < 1296254013 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herobrine is notch's dead brother < 1296254016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the logbot < 1296254024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does the first set of logs in the topic < 1296254026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog does the second set < 1296254030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is innocent in these matters. < 1296254033 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not currently. make it happen. < 1296254037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does not know the true nature of Herobrine. < 1296254210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: how stable is the gcc 4.5 series? <-- hm. Some bugs I know of < 1296254217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Versus 4.4.) < 1296254231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, about the same. Just different bugs than 4.4 < 1296254237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1296254243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.5 removed protoize/deprotoize though :( < 1296254264 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seen code that works in 4.4 and miscompiles in 4.5. And I seen the reverse of that too. < 1296254269 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is protoize/deprotoize? < 1296254275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: converts k&r/c89 prototypes < 1296254283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is the code itself broken? or is gcc? < 1296254308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in one case I'm fairly sure gcc is to blame. In the other case I have no clue. The other case works under gccc 4.5 < 1296254328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I found a matching bug report for the one that broke with 4.5. Last I checked the bug still had no comments < 1296254336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I don't have the link handy < 1296254338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to be more precise, protoize is meant to convert a k&r C file to C89, and deprotoize does the opposite, by replacing function declarations < 1296254341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just switched to clang < 1296254349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I know what protoize does < 1296254353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, zzo38: < 1296254356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1296254406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1296254454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: at 10:53 pm? < 1296254481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm going to try buildroot; compiling gcc with uclibc manually seems like a pain < 1296254486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure buildroot can even do that < 1296254563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --with-boot-libs=LIBS Libraries for stage2 and later < 1296254563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --with-boot-ldflags=FLAGS Linker flags for stage2 and later < 1296254566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "libraries" here? < 1296254567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-L? < 1296254570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal? :p < 1296254596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't Vorpal in UTC+1? < 1296254602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes :P < 1296254652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I were a changeling so I wouldn't have to eat < 1296254653 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1296254725 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what. < 1296254734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be the point where my dad and step-mom decide that I'm no longer able to distinguish fantasy and reality < 1296254825 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[A long while ago, they were saying something. I was trying to convey the point that I might not be perfectly rational, and it makes no sense to ... I don't remember. Anyways, I said "I'm not a vulcan" and my dad apparently thought that I thought vulcans are real < 1296254827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1296254907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, might I advise that you use the brick/brain transplant on them? < 1296254952 0 :BMG!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1296254997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The famed Vulcan Brick/Brain Transplant. < 1296255020 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you know, learn to like eating. as crazy as they are, you don't need to be crazy too. < 1296255044 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I know that's a hard thing to do. no, I'm not trying to trivialize it) < 1296255050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theory: Sgeo's (step)parents are the actual worst cooks in the world. < 1296255056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the most literal sense possible. < 1296255088 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the one who makes the pasta I eat at night < 1296255126 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh pasta. good choice. i could really go for a fresh light seafood pasta salad right now < 1296255135 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296255158 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1296255158 0 :BMG!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1296255162 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1296255179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The famed Vulcan Brick/Brain Transplant. ← this is actually how they do the whole "logical" thing. < 1296255324 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's pretty ridiculous, don't you think? The two of us being outsmarted by a chunk of crystal?" < 1296255355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, rouge cells in the body often seem to outsmart a whole lot of very intelligent people... < 1296255369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1296255382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rogue? < 1296255388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. cancer? < 1296255397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1296255397 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the revolution is being televised. < 1296255402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CANCER IS NOT SMARTER THAN PEOPLE. < 1296255405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, *except KT-AT < 1296255410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CANCER IS NOT SMARTER THAN PEOPLE. < 1296255410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VITAMIN C IS THE WAY TO GO < 1296255411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CANCER IS NOT SMARTER THAN PEOPLE. < 1296255412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CANCER IS NOT SMARTER THAN PEOPLE. < 1296255412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CANCER IS NOT SMARTER THAN PEOPLE. < 1296255413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CANCER IS NOT SMARTER THAN PEOPLE. < 1296255433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, the use of the word "outsmart" in the context used in the episode is similar < 1296255439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you tell her that it is actually one of the few things that has been demonstrated to reyouthismootherate skin. < 1296255457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to `addquote [...] reyouthismootherate [...] < 1296255463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [...] reyouthismootherate [...] < 1296255484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: wake up < 1296255484 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :283) [...] reyouthismootherate [...] < 1296255487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1296255488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1296255489 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :181) You people. You people are so stupid. I'm making a SOCIOLOGICAL statement here. < 1296255517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, then spin her an elaborate yarn about the cosmetics companies keeping it down to increase costs, and the FDA being bribed into advising against it. < 1296255540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under no circumstances mention that the actual reason it isn't used is because it is a fairly strong irritant. < 1296255575 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why do you think I'm an asshole? < 1296255599 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, because I am an asshole and I have problems with dealing with the fact that other people think differently to me. < 1296255668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: She thinks Vitamin C cures cancer, this is even more innocuous than mocking homeopaths. < 1296255699 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think he's asking me why I'd assume he'd do such a thing, which is a simple humour fail. < 1296255710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hell, I approve of this plan :P < 1296255727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, AS DO I < 1296255748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I really can't see Sgeo forgoing a relationship to make a (hilarious) point. < 1296255851 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296255873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nibble.develsec.org/hg/toys/file/d4f38103fa4e/passman Spot the security hole. < 1296255992 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game I received in the mail a few days ago, it comes with eleven copies of the rules. < 1296255992 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it vim, or….? < 1296256012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's the fact that the unencrypted file is there until the user quits vim. < 1296256025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1296256026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1296256027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, nobody can read it, but if you have someone with your user account... < 1296256033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but without your GPG passphrase) < 1296256036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're screwed. < 1296256045 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "TMPFILE=~/.passmandb.$$" is an obvious issue in any case. Sure it is in the same user's dir < 1296256047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1296256057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why's that an issue? apart from what i mentioned? < 1296256109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, the collision risk in theory of another program creating that file. For example a malicious exploit of another software. < 1296256112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure not likely < 1296256113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1296256119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should never do temporary files that way < 1296256123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1296256180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1296256189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Unfortunately I don't see a _good_ way to support saving with vim. < 1296256192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The court also orders Hotz to "retrieve any Circumvention Devices or any information relating thereto which Hotz has previously delivered or communicated to the Defendants or any third parties." ” < 1296256192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it can save to stdout. < 1296256200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well why vim then < 1296256204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Geohotz is being ordered to remove data from the Internet. < 1296256205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, we've complained about that already. < 1296256209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe vim isn't the right tool for that jobe < 1296256210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1296256211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :job* < 1296256217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For looking at and editing a file? < 1296256218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jobe! < 1296256222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Emacs can't save to stdout either. < 1296256241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah but maybe this is the wrong solution for a password manager < 1296256245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is what I'm saying < 1296256252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why? < 1296256263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because vim and Emacs have a simple deficiency that is annoying in more cases than just this? < 1296256275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and every other editor I know apart from ed possibly < 1296256305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, workable suggestions I see so far: fuse encrypted file system, specialised program for the task. Patch the editor < 1296256326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heck you might be able to do this to the *scratch* buffer of emacs somehow < 1296256338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) Encrypted file system would work, but then you could just use vim directly. I don't think they support every-FS-operation passphrases like this does. < 1296256340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :send it a pipe < 1296256342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you are saying that to edit an encrypted file you need to mount an encrypted FUSE filesystem? < 1296256360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not saying it is a good solution. < 1296256363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joe, at least, can save to /dev/stdout. < 1296256364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one that would work < 1296256377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm but doesn't that point to the terminal < 1296256381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where the user is editing < 1296256385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise editing might be hard < 1296256390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You save-and-edit in one go. < 1296256398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You want it to read from stdin and save to stdout. < 1296256405 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296256415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and where do you see the file in the editor so you can edit it? /dev/tty? < 1296256428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is also ordered to remove any form of data storage with these "circumvention devices" to court custody. < 1296256430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, you do realise that curses etc. don't look at stdin/stdout...? < 1296256440 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1296256442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually I didn't know that. < 1296256445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly suggest that he go and demand to be impounded. < 1296256446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, guess it makes sense < 1296256450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure? I thought curses did use stdin/stdout by default < 1296256452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK they use /dev/tty exclusively. < 1296256454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can point it anywhere < 1296256456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they don't, well, that's a bug. < 1296256458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bad bug. < 1296256470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm writing a program atm in which I direct ncurses into a pipe < 1296256480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what for? < 1296256492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most curses programs won't let you do that < 1296256497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they do all sorts of "foo is a tty" checks < 1296256516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/f87p6/what_is_your_most_controversial_opinion/?sort=controversial < 1296256536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: encoding ttyrecs from an unrelated format < 1296256545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to convert it into a sequence of vt100 codes < 1296256549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what ncurses does < 1296256552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Children should be driven to have an intense fear of adults." "Why?" "So that they will behave themselves." < 1296256569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST. CHILDCARE. MISCONCEPTION. EVER. < 1296256577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :D < 1296256579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That homosexuality is wrong, and is no more in-born than pedophilia." ;; this is hilarious because paedophilia /is/ born-in < 1296256583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least mostly < 1296256591 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people actually implement that policy with their kids :/ < 1296256599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also because the morality of homosexuality has nothing to do with whether it's born-in or not, but whatever) < 1296256601 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yes, which is the scary part. < 1296256630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/f87p6/what_is_your_most_controversial_opinion/c1e3vuc?context=1 < 1296256641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it pleases me that the controversial ones are all the bigoted ones. < 1296256651 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives me hope for at least a subset of humanity. < 1296256660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I believe a mother should be able to kill their baby without any legal repercussions." <-- I am fairly sure that 90% of the posts in this thread are trolls. < 1296256680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, shh, that makes it less fun. < 1296256761 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's one of mine that is controversial but not bigoted: babies are not people. they do not earn their personhood for many many months. < 1296256810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, what do you define as the difference between "baby" and "person" in terms of rights, etc. < 1296256832 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rights? babies have no more rights than pets. < 1296256846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's stupid and you're stupid. (<-- my reasoned opinion) < 1296256863 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can have "potential rights" in expectation of the day when they become people < 1296256883 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1296256890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Potential rights". What. < 1296256911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a controversial opinion: people should never have any responsibilities at all, except the ones they take on them through choice < 1296256922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't have a choice on whether to be born, thus they shouldn't be punished for it < 1296256936 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1296256953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't another way to solve that to offer suicide as a respectable option at every point? < 1296256967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, people can avoid any responsibilities without repercussion, but society can stay mostly the same as it is < 1296257009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, yes, but you do, inevitably, end up sponging off society at some point, and you need to make things break even otherwise you end up going to hell in a handbasket. < 1296257019 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like the right to health insurance and life insurance etc. things that ensure they get the best shot at becoming people. < 1296257026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: surely it's society's responsibility to not create people unless they can support them? < 1296257043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OK, so is it ok if I keep my baby on a leash? < 1296257045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, like pets. < 1296257047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I agree on that front. < 1296257051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... < 1296257054 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1296257058 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty of people *do* do that. < 1296257067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean a literal leash. 24/7. < 1296257071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty common to avoid accidents with children near dangerous places like roads or trains < 1296257073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only outdoors < 1296257078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you keep your pets. < 1296257091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think it's illegal to keep a pet on a leash 24/7 < 1296257101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quintopia said babies have only the same rights as pets apart from, uh, "potential rights" < 1296257106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a valid question < 1296257136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it probably /is/, actually < 1296257144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you're perfectly entitled to keep your baby on a leash as things stand. < 1296257146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pets are rarely leashed indoors, doing so might lead to trouble < 1296257154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently keeping a cat indoors 24/7 is a really bad thing to do < 1296257154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I understand. < 1296257155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, I can believe that, but it seems an odd thing to have a law for < 1296257158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's forbidden by some generic law < 1296257163 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1296257167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: generic animal cruelty laws, I think < 1296257170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think that would count as child abuse, definitely < 1296257179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends on what you use the leash for. < 1296257183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being confined to a single location for too long is bad for the health of pretty much anything but rabbits and hamsters < 1296257184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: possibly, but if a pet is docile enough it might not even mind. < 1296257193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and hamsters need a wheel or something like that to practice running in) < 1296257195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ha, rabbits are impossible to leash < 1296257198 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if it's just decoration, it's hardly child abuse. < 1296257205 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general i feel like if your baby is lithe and fast enough to get away from you and not come back when you're outside, a leash is perfectly acceptable < 1296257207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, I'm sure there's /some/ way < 1296257213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they drag you around for two miles and then wriggle out < 1296257220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: rabbits? < 1296257222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1296257222 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yeah, that's exactly what a lot of people do. < 1296257227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know this from personal experience? < 1296257229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :) < 1296257235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's more with toddlers than babies because human babies suck. < 1296257237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either it's too tight and they freak out and escape through the powers of magic, or they just hop out of it without thinking < 1296257245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's the first time I've laughed in over 24 hours, I think < 1296257247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I meant indoors. < 1296257263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my cat managed to get out of a collar somehow. < 1296257271 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you would be stupid to do that. you can create fenced off areas indoors. < 1296257278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it was tightly secured around his neck. < 1296257281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: plenty of parents are stupid, abusive, etc. < 1296257284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why babies have rights. < 1296257302 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of pet owners are abusive too < 1296257307 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why pets have rights < 1296257309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ok, here's a question: _why_ do babies not have rights in your view? < 1296257329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because they're stupid and annoying. < 1296257337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NB: I am being facetious.) < 1296257361 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do have rights. as many rights as any other living non-person. < 1296257366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More seriously, they obviously don't qualify for full human rights because most human rights don't actually make very much sense in the context of babies. < 1296257376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why do they not have the same rights as people? < 1296257384 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what PH said < 1296257399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Eh... there are plenty of mentally retarded adults. < 1296257402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the medical sense.) < 1296257431 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i should hope those adults receive rights that make sense for them given their abilities < 1296257448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, and upholding the freedom of speech of someone who is incapable of communication is not a very pressing issue. < 1296257455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: give me an example of a people right that you wouldn't give to babbies < 1296257461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Certainly. But there is no reason to _deny_ them such. < 1296257464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right to own property. < 1296257467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right to marriage. < 1296257467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm, shouldn't they have a right to have people attempt to find a way to communicate with them? < 1296257468 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marry < 1296257471 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1296257478 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yi'll let PH argue for me < 1296257478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people in comas did end up being able to communicate eventually < 1296257478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe marriage is a right < 1296257483 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will ninja me every time < 1296257489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about the right of free association? < 1296257490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is according to the universal declaration. < 1296257496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't agree. < 1296257497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the UN declaration says it is < 1296257501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't agree. < 1296257519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marriage is a special case, really < 1296257530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: what about the right of free association? < 1296257531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly < 1296257533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really < 1296257535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relationships are < 1296257548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marriage is just a religious ritual that has become an ill-defined legal ritual < 1296257553 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[i think homosexuality is the same as pedophillia, zoophillia, necrophillia and the like. in all these cases, you cant help who or what youre attracted to. so why are the latter seen as disgusting? they are all "sexualities" as far as im concerned.]] < 1296257558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love idiots like this. < 1296257573 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1296257577 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1296257578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Civil unions make sense, marriage doesn't; I'm fine with people getting married, but IMO it should be a matter of church. < 1296257581 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate them < 1296257584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are actually incapable of seeing the difference between sex between two consenting adults and between adults and children, animals and corpses. < 1296257588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the government doesn't need any part in it. < 1296257601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is necrophilia actually illegal, btw? < 1296257604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the legal benefits that marriage grants should be available to pretty much any group of more than one person. < 1296257612 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296257618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not actually sure. < 1296257618 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't really see anything immoral about necrophilia if the corpse consented before death < 1296257623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it makes a whole lot of sense < 1296257626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, necrophilia card! < 1296257626 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unhealthy, likely. < 1296257636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is that image... < 1296257638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why the person's consent matters for necrophilia. < 1296257643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do < 1296257643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like there's a soul in that corpse. < 1296257658 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a matter of respect for the person's friends and relations < 1296257658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people before their death care about what happens to their corpse afterwards < 1296257668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, should a person's corpse be considered one of their possessions, and not inherited? < 1296257669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, yes, but good luck getting anyone else agreeing that corpses are lumps of meat with no special significance. < 1296257676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't care what they care about < 1296257699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would you let people set it up so that after they die, a vote is counted for a party they name every single election? < 1296257706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, they probably care about what happens to the world after they're gone < 1296257710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their family, etc. < 1296257711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but specifically because of "party" < 1296257712 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's a bit dickish to ignore someone's wishes after they die; surely you support the idea of wills? < 1296257724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I vaguely agree with the idea in general, but not that implementation in particular < 1296257725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, assume there's a perfect way for anyone to express their political preferences as a formula < 1296257735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be given the election info to decide a vote perfectly < 1296257748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, what would be more useful would be to give yet unborn people the right to vote retroactively < 1296257751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, certainly, but I don't think your corpse should be considered a possession. < 1296257758 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why, exactly? < 1296257760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd help stop people screwing up the world for future generations < 1296257765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't think of any way to implement that at all < 1296257771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Burial is incredibly wasteful, for one. < 1296257775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is your corpse less yours than your house or your bank account? < 1296257785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you can pay for the land, that's fine. < 1296257799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Shrug. I don't believe you own the air in your house. < 1296257809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ...what? < 1296257809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit of an arbitrary distinction. < 1296257817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That was an abortive attempt at trying to explain myself. < 1296257820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore it. < 1296257834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with voting machines written in Feather, obviously < 1296257847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose you could own a bag of air, but if you let it diffuse into the atmosphere you've probably lost any right to it.) < 1296257851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: even Feather can't do that < 1296257866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I kind of see corpses as part of your "environment" like air. < 1296257867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what it would do would be to speculatively let history play out to see what the votes would be < 1296257878 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can own your environment. < 1296257879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then rewind history, apply the votes, and let it run again < 1296257890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can you own the air in your house? (Assume the house is perfectly sealed.) < 1296257891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say no. < 1296257900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't really see why not. < 1296257902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Feather isn't /that/ integrated with the real world < 1296257911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't see even then why your corpse shouldn't be yours. < 1296257914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, first, reimplement the universe in Feather ... < 1296257922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't really have much justification for it, tbh. < 1296257945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh joy: [[Rape is seriously overrated. If it's nonviolent, it's just unwanted sex. If a woman is unable to physically resist, she can comply and endure the sex, possibly even try to enjoy it (although that's a stretch). She can leave, take a morning-after pill, and notify the police. It would definitely be an aggravating and nerve-wracking situation, but not one that's "traumatic" or that will "ruin your life". < 1296257946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially hate it when rape is put on the same level as violent assault or murder, they are nowhere near on the same level in terms of the extent of damage and the permanence of it.]] < 1296257947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I reading this thread. < 1296257957 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say yes. let's let people seal their houses perfectly and build their own algae gardens to purify it and never let in any bad air < 1296257960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I linked to it and bile fascination. < 1296257968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, YES < 1296257981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, and then cut off their phone line so that they have no communication with the outside world < 1296257994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make health idiots pay for the uncontaminated air. < 1296257994 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future, when pollution has destroyed the surface, it will be common :P < 1296257995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, the hole that the cable goes through probably has tiny gaps! < 1296258008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: An underground biodome is more likely :P < 1296258017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMUNISM < 1296258022 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is not Minecraft here. < 1296258027 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yea probs, but my way would make a better movie < 1296258039 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't hollow out a ten-metre cave over the course of an afternoon. < 1296258052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reddit: now available in kazoo form < 1296258052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By popular demand, reddit kazoos are now available! We heard your thousands, nay, hundreds of calls for an official reddit kazoo. In fact, over the past few months it's become difficult to wade through the reddit feedback mailbox because it looks like this: < 1296258052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SMII3qiVCz8/TUHJGNApNLI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/0qQDe91RNSw/s1600/kazoofeedback.png < 1296258068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a kazoo once. < 1296258077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You can't hollow out a ten-metre cave over the course of an afternoon. < 1296258085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earth is going to be uninhabitable over the course of an afternoon? < 1296258085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dayum < 1296258091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://minecraftworldexplorer.com/index_sale.html < 1296258095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old. < 1296258109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, there's a thread at the top of r/Minecraft stating that Mojang should sue them. < 1296258129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should stop using the logo and clarify that they're not official, but apart from that it's fine. < 1296258135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although using the texture pack is iffy. < 1296258152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, their furnace texture is different, at least. < 1296258250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though... [[Rape is seriously overrated. If it's nonviolent, it's just unwanted sex. If a woman is unable to physically resist, she can comply and endure the sex, possibly even try to enjoy it (although that's a stretch). She can leave, take a morning-after pill, and notify the police. It would definitely be an aggravating and nerve-wracking situation, but not one that's "traumatic" or that will "ruin your life".]] < 1296258262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unable to comprehend the moronicness required to make that statement. < 1296258297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OH GOD THIS ONE IS THE WORST < 1296258310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably read it, FWIW. < 1296258310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[That Oasis > The Beatles]] < 1296258318 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1296258322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;__; < 1296258327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to report that comment < 1296258348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to brickbrain the person who posted it. < 1296258357 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, there are a lot of bands better than the beatles. oasis are good competitors at least, though i can't say I'd say that < 1296258367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oasis are a terrible, terrible band. < 1296258373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ping < 1296258373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even like the Beatles that much, but come on. < 1296258376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oasis is just the worst. < 1296258382 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh < 1296258390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never heard one of their songs, but hates them on general principle. < 1296258390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh goody, they broke up. I wasn't aware. < 1296258394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*principles < 1296258579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Rape is seriously overrated", eh? < 1296258585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty retarded. < 1296258601 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it totally doesn't live up to the hype. < 1296258625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the sentence itself isn't retarded, because as Phantom_Hoover pointed out, it's ambiguous and the natural meaning isn't an insane opinion at all; but the paragraph itself is atrocious < 1296258628 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. pretty retarded. good one. understatement is an underestimated form of humor < 1296258638 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underrated too < 1296258808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rape was better on vinyl. < 1296258814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there is no limit to my tastelessness, thank you for asking < 1296258888 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rape? you mean rape me? the nirvana song? yeah probably was < 1296258942 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Bashir, it's 100% A-OK to just talk about your patients medical stuff while identifying them by name < 1296258952 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296258972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bashir? < 1296259011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. Julian Bashir. < 1296259017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Sgeo is going to ruin DS9 for me. < 1296259052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, i have this shell script that's sourced by stuff on the system, but it could be installed into any one of a number of places < 1296259063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it were just a program, I'd just use its name, and rely on $PATH < 1296259069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's not, it's something other shell scripts source < 1296259075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas how to avoid making people specify the full path? < 1296259089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't source respect $PATH? < 1296259101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, you could probably make it somehow < 1296259147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does it? < 1296259152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it does < 1296259162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: problem is, it would be useless to call this program from the command-line < 1296259165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's cluttering the path a little < 1296259179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty weird problem you have < 1296259199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need something that works exactly like $PATH except it doesn't work like $PATH at all