< 1294876803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it might be productive use of his time at least, since CA are so very very sexy < 1294876836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CACACACACACACACACACA < 1294876842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my catchphrase < 1294876850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i roam the street < 1294876851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1294876856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i just go all CACACACACACACACACACA < 1294876916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: actually i probably couldn't lecture all night, since the first nontrivial thing you usually do about CA is a theorem i actually don't know how to prove :D < 1294876919 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1294876922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :injectivity => surjectivity < 1294876936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of pigeonhole argument, but i haven't filled in the details, ever < 1294876941 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION everts elliott's spheres without pinching or poking holes < 1294876970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's everting < 1294877038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, something you do in a fun, cute, happy game < 1294877070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually that injectivity => surjectivity thing is really obvious < 1294877074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you know when you stick your hand up your ass and pull the rest of you outside? < 1294877077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's eversion < 1294877077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't use any topology < 1294877082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you do that often < 1294877105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, well apart from the fact that if there's a configuration without a preimage, then there's a finite pattern without a preimage, in the obvious sense < 1294877138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it cleanses my body in ways western science just can't < 1294877146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1294877148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :medicine < 1294877174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually going to go now, before i start proving that theorem < 1294877185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that okay? < 1294877198 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay oklopol I will aks you about this in future thogu < 1294877232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1294877247 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1294877273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can just follow our course! http://users.utu.fi/jkari/ca/ < 1294877274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1294877301 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1294877310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lecture notes are pretty good, although topology is used less explicitly, at least in the beginning < 1294877317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should come visit oklopol and embarrass him at his uni < 1294877326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you embarrass me? < 1294877354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so this one time he was on irc ... < 1294877357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294877367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat 500 times < 1294877372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people know my irc nick < 1294877379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but they don't know where the logs are < 1294877381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor have the patience to read them all < 1294877383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1294877388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PENIS PENIS PENIS < 1294877391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PENIS PENIS PENIS < 1294877393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PENIS PENIS PENIS < 1294877395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PENIS PENIS PENIS < 1294877407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FEEL SO FREE RIGHT NOW < 1294877410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREE LIKE A FUCKING BIRD < 1294877415 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freeee bird < 1294877418 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have to listen to it < 1294877422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1294877425 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREE BIRD < 1294877425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but free bird is a terrible song < 1294877430 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like it < 1294877456 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will be in helsinki on jun 10. anyone wanna hang out? < 1294877486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i could come see you and fizzie at the same time < 1294877490 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1294877491 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS < 1294877495 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KERNEL HACKING TIME < 1294877502 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sync() calls are hanging up < 1294877510 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is stalling my whole ubuntu < 1294877531 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches another Eversion LP < 1294877536 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happened only today only this once when i unplugged a usb drive and plugged in another one < 1294877545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Deewiant as well, but i feel Deewiant is a superior person to me, so i'm not sure that'd be as much fun. < 1294877546 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: tell me what to do < 1294877558 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do strace sync and it hangs on this: < 1294877560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : " Sgeo, with oerjan and who else?" <<< good morning <-- when, and context? < 1294877561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always think oh Deewiant won't know anything about this thing < 1294877564 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sync( < 1294877564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Deewiant just like < 1294877565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts in < 1294877567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with his superior knowledge < 1294877568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rude < 1294877570 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like the last line < 1294877575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that thing < 1294877577 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tell me how to hax this < 1294877585 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, screwed up sleep cycles. < 1294877590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ah < 1294877591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1294877603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests Vorpal for alzheimer's < 1294877608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot spell < 1294877627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I slept for a few hours < 1294877631 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just woke up again < 1294877641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 01:14 here now < 1294877644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i tend to assume people remember the context of every line < 1294877648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's alzheimer's < 1294877662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl, i tend to spontaneously continue conversations i've had weeks ago < 1294877668 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, associated with old people, loss of memory, fatal, Pratchett has it. < 1294877673 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dunno, i forgot < 1294877674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably spelled incorrectly. < 1294877679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: huh? < 1294877682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what are you talking about? < 1294877702 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I hate you. < 1294877704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, my grandmother (on my father's side) has it too. < 1294877709 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Note: Not really] < 1294877710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what? what did i say < 1294877711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't said anything < 1294877716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandparents are free from alzheimer's < 1294877724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the punchline is they're dead < 1294877726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, same here [grandmother on father's side] < 1294877762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last discworld novel had better be fucking awesome < 1294877772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if it's shit because of, you know, alzheimer's < 1294877774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO SYMPATHY < 1294877788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go out on a bang, asshole. < 1294877789 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294877797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, didn't you read it? < 1294877802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last < 1294877802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty good < 1294877803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, before he dies < 1294877805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be soon < 1294877806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott doesn't read anything < 1294877811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294877815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1294877825 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now that is not very nice of you < 1294877836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what isn't? < 1294877837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his condition is deteriorating and he's already said he's going to commit suicide before it becomes too bad, so i'm just being practical here < 1294877848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think he meant the no sympathy thing < 1294877850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not fair to, like, leave us without tying up all the loose ends and shit with the best novel ever < 1294877851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but checked anyway < 1294877856 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any swedes? i'll be in stockholm that same week < 1294877860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294877864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal < 1294877866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and olsner < 1294877866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: avoid Vorpal at all costs < 1294877868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go visit olsner < 1294877871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both would very much like to meet you < 1294877871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh firefly < 1294877874 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay < 1294877879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why do you travel so much? < 1294877883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal probably treats his house like Mount Vorpal < 1294877892 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I'm not even near Stockholm. :P < 1294877904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Vorpal didn't even give me his address < 1294877905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that's good < 1294877906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go where olsner is < 1294877918 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aweshum < 1294877925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue where he lives < 1294877934 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i travel as much as i can cuz i love travel < 1294877939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, just far away from Vorpal most likely < 1294877940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well to be fair I don't have your either (and don't really want it) < 1294877944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what's important < 1294877955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's address is- GAK! < 1294877973 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should be as easy to avoid vorpal as it is to avoid you < 1294877976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm not saying you should give it, i'm just saying you're crazily protective of your house < 1294877993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why avoid me i'm amazing < 1294877997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sorta like mount vorpal < 1294878003 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294878005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no.. not really < 1294878022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what possible reason could you have for not giving me your address? < 1294878031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just gave you my address today, you even asked for it < 1294878041 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lay odds on us getting along? < 1294878043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hah not in MC :P < 1294878051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 0, but it's irrelevant, everyone should meet me < 1294878062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T SEE DIFFERENCE < 1294878066 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: even vorpal? < 1294878067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: omg where are you in mc < 1294878069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't answer, what reason could you have? < 1294878071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, so i can kill him < 1294878087 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, even more reason for me to avoid you :P < 1294878091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, uh? me? < 1294878096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: just Vorpal < 1294878098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't kill anyone else < 1294878104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I wouldn't < 1294878108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just told Vorpal, since he seemed like a likely person not to do anything annoying, while still keeping the place unseen from the majority so i can be in peace < 1294878115 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1294878119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I get along great with everyone but you and PH. < 1294878151 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get along with people who like good beer < 1294878158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't do anything annoying intentionally unless it's to Vorpal :) < 1294878160 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's time for me to go catch a movie < 1294878166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, you! < 1294878171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like this one time, i set deewiant's house on fire < 1294878182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh nice. *bows* < 1294878184 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1294878185 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1294878189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and when i was cleaning it up with lava it made a gigantic cobble monolith < 1294878192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: with lava and water inside < 1294878194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: fun times < 1294878208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that happened when i tried to burn the leaves of a tree away < 1294878209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lava < 1294878213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the leaves kinda drooped over the house a bit < 1294878215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294878216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no i mean the question was for you :D < 1294878216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you not me the address! < 1294878228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, which question now again? < 1294878234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh THAT one < 1294878235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but uh if you don't let me cut down trees near yours it'll be totally safe < 1294878236 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g224200114.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294878257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well I think you accidentally a verb there < 1294878284 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, don't trust elliott. He can easily mess up without that < 1294878291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1294878296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no magic if i just let everyone come see it every now and then < 1294878314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i can just use mcmap + a walking bot to find it :) < 1294878321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1294878326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nice idea < 1294878336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but why don't we optimise it, together < 1294878338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by telling me the result < 1294878367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the point is to play the game, not to obtain goals as fast as possible < 1294878396 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/42994/dmesg < 1294878397 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT DO < 1294878424 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294878434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, check what 192.168.178.1 does < 1294878442 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-\ < 1294878452 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the hanging sync() < 1294878458 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, why the sysrq stuff in there < 1294878472 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294878475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, kernel version? < 1294878486 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1294878519 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copypasting is slow in linux < 1294878522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, anything between 2.6.30 and 2.6.35 (inclusive) and I suggest you upgrade. I had sync hanging sometimes during that period. < 1294878525 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, no it isn't < 1294878532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just middle mouse button < 1294878541 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.32-27-generic #49-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 1 23:52:12 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux < 1294878548 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'll probably try to upgrade < 1294878555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, upgrade to 2.6.36 kernel < 1294878558 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i unlock my sync() now? < 1294878569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, you reboot < 1294878583 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.104.236.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294878583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, i was gonna leave -> < 1294878585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hope the fs is journaling < 1294878586 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i unlock my sync() now without rebooting? < 1294878591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294878595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, you don't. It is a bug in some kernels < 1294878669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, just unmount any other file systems < 1294878670 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: must be some way < 1294878680 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294878681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and remount the ones that couldn't as read only < 1294878682 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is there a bug description for this? < 1294878687 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294878697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, yes, but I don't have a link to it on this machine < 1294878707 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you're able to find it < 1294878716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, no it is on my mail in another computer < 1294878720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, also why should I < 1294878724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are that rude < 1294878732 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why rude? < 1294878739 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm expressing my belief in your abilities < 1294878745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1294878758 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i'm sure zzo or j-invariant wouldn't be able to < 1294878769 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if < 1294878769 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oklopol < 1294878788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try google yourself < 1294878791 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do better than oklopol! < 1294878801 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i know nothing about the linux kernel < 1294878827 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wouldn't recognize the right sites in google < 1294878839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ < 1294878841 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1294879010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, actually it might not be the same bug. Your backtrace looks a bit shorter than I remember mine < 1294879016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case I can't help much < 1294879395 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1294879630 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfsjglfdgjfsglsfgdfg < 1294879635 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs modes are hard < 1294879686 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid generic-mode only supports three-char comment chars < 1294879999 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i want is < 1294880013 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour ~, {, }, :, ., ; specially < 1294880024 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a bunch of alternate comment delims up to 6 chars < 1294880028 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have an auto-indenter algo < 1294880030 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT SO HARD? < 1294880189 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294880396 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1294880400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294880400 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294880403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION designs a text edito < 1294880403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1294880443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f/(\w+) (\w+)\(/r{$1'\n'$2'('} < 1294880485 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:38d7:1:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294880519 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:38d7::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294880624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Ex `find -name \*.[ch]`/{_Op f/(\w+) (\w+)\(/r{$1'\n'$2'('}_Wr _Cl} < 1294880680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for Sgeo to call him crazy < 1294880858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's _Ex? < 1294880864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execute. < 1294880876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` is an arbitrary char; you could use % there too. < 1294880877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ex %ls% < 1294880888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am _NOT_ doing all that next time I omit a letter from a line < 1294880893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1294880902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has nothing to do with omitting a letter from a line. < 1294880903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That changes < 1294880905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int foo(blah) < 1294880907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C prototypes into < 1294880908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int < 1294880909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(blah) < 1294880914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from all C files in the current dir < 1294880915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and children < 1294880921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1294880927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's an example. < 1294880991 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I see it stemming from the grand J tradition of being unreadable < 1294880997 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets shot by elliott < 1294881018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even vaguely related to J. < 1294881021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more similar to ed and teco < 1294881029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, unreadable for you maybe < 1294881038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find c# unreadable < 1294881072 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1294881118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you could easily write that line more readable and clearer. but, err, it's an editor < 1294881120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who indents editor commands < 1294881141 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be offline for much of Friday < 1294881165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Ex `find -name \*.[ch]` / { < 1294881165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _Op < 1294881165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : f/(\w+) (\w+)\(/ < 1294881165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r{ $1 '\n' $2 '(' } < 1294881165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _Wr < 1294881165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that makes you happy < 1294881166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _Cl < 1294881167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1294881205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't.. understand it, but if I read about it, it would be comprehendible < 1294881220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: _Ex is just execute shell command obviously < 1294881227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ is infix operator for "each in list" < 1294881231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Op = open; _Wr = write; _Cl = close < 1294881234 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Wonder what is failure rate of 6to4 return paths... < 1294881243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f/regexp/ is "find (and, implicitly, select) all matching strings" < 1294881249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r{ ... } is "replace with result of this block" < 1294881250 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, any failure there is stupid...) < 1294881255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1, $2 are your standard regexp () group values < 1294881257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's all there is to it < 1294881262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1294881289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are f and r always together like that? < 1294881294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1294881300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also useful is f/foo/ d. < 1294881303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To delete all instances of foo. < 1294881315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But r is meaningless without a preceding f? < 1294881318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f/foo/ a... would add stuff after all instances of foo. < 1294881328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It operates on the current selection. So you could select, e.g., an arbitrary range in the file instead. < 1294881340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: You can have N selections at a time; all these operations act on /every/ selection.) < 1294881344 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1294881344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is modelled after sam. < 1294881352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ed's graphical successor) < 1294881618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anyway modelling dream editors on TECO is good enough for Mark Chu-Caroll so it's good enough for me. < 1294881621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His is actually implemented though. < 1294881623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Carroll < 1294881673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION colds on chat < 1294881678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What. < 1294881683 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm cold < 1294881715 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a bit of a happy mood ight now. Deespite being cold < 1294881718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. my f/foo/r/bar/ is MCC's g/foo/,{r'bar'}. < 1294881743 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, where MCC's g comes from is obvious, but why the {}? < 1294881761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For grouping, presumably. < 1294881763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His is more like a foreach. < 1294881774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1294881786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine isn't a loop, it just holds multiple selections. Like Schrödinger's editor. < 1294881798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed: < 1294881800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :global: g/pattern/,block < 1294881800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple loop construct. For each match of the pattern within the current cursor, execute the block. So, for example, to do a global search and replace of foo with bar, * g/foo/,{r'bar'}. < 1294881803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less powerful than my notion. < 1294881868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MCC's has factorial: < 1294881869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fun ($x) @fact {($x,0)@= ? {1} : { ($x, ($x,1)@-@fact)@* } < 1294881874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be, uh, slightly uglier in mine. < 1294881934 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S's cat's editor? < 1294881938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1294881946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1294881967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Set [_Fact] {_Eq $1 0 ?'1' :{I don't even want to write this bit}} < 1294881979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just sets _Fact to a string naturally. < 1294882245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what i should impl botte in < 1294882398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courtesy of Notch's incompetence, enjoy minecraft.jar for free: http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/minecraft.jar < 1294882412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fairly sure that anyone can download that URL without supplying the S3 auth token. < 1294882424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also require: < 1294882430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/lwjgl.jar < 1294882430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/jinput.jar < 1294882430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/lwjgl_util.jar < 1294882433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/linux_natives.jar.lzma < 1294882580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hi < 1294883130 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, o.O < 1294883136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1294883180 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's useless without some trick to avoid having to log in, I think < 1294883394 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SamuelBeckett < 1294883403 0 :SamuelBeckett!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1294883503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: umm, easy < 1294883507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just log in with invalid uname/pass < 1294883516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: or non-purchased one < 1294883524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: plus, no, that's launcher.jar < 1294883529 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless something changed since the al.. ah < 1294883529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running minecraft.jar will do everything < 1294883532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :online servers won't let you in of course < 1294883538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they check with minecraft.net < 1294883540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're modded not to < 1294883548 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a windows_natives? < 1294883635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: presumably. < 1294883645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are all free-to-download sorta thing < 1294883649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not protected with auth token in download logs < 1294883662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: in fact if you run classic in-browser i think you will see it being downloaded < 1294883689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/linux_natives.jar.lzma <--- what, is it that open? < 1294883703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: linux_natives.jar.lzma is downloaded even by the classic client. < 1294883713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what about minecraft.jar then < 1294883715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The thing is that minecraft.jar is downloaded like ?user=ehird&auth=... < 1294883720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I curl -I'd it without those < 1294883726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it had the same file length and 200 OK response :P < 1294883744 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how did you find this out? < 1294883746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, downloading it now. < 1294883758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It prints out the URLs it downloads when it updates. < 1294883766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just decided to cut off the params and see what happened. < 1294883768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh there is an update out? < 1294883779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. And since this is a new OS installation I was running it from cmd line. < 1294883787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah. What is new this time < 1294883794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu. < 1294883798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1294883803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so no actual update out? < 1294883811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wget http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/minecraft.jar < 1294883812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@elliott-MacBookAir:~$ diff minecraft.jar .minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar < 1294883812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@elliott-MacBookAir:~$ < 1294883814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch quality engineering. < 1294883816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed. < 1294883889 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as notch pointed out, this *is* in fact awesome: http://kotaku.com/5729340/you-can-now-bring-the-real-world-to-minecraft/gallery/ < 1294883927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would so tweet that URL but fanbois would yell at me for being an evil pirate scumbag fuckwit, Notch would fix it quickly (probably badly) and likely FROWN UPON me or something, and nobody would win. < 1294883941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, I will just link the files to anyone I recommend Minecraft to, to save them the effort of pirating an old version. < 1294883955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294883959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, I linked that in here yesterday. < 1294883966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I didn't see it < 1294883967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the original source, not Kotaku blogspam. < 1294883975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where is the original source? < 1294883995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question, Kotaku are very good at hiding that... Gawker scumbags... < 1294884001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orderofevents.com/MineCraft/KinectInfo.htm < 1294884004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the bottom of their sidebar text. < 1294884014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the other side is apparently concave. < 1294884020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is DISTURBING < 1294884032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'd take a photo of something very, very red < 1294884033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*red. < 1294884038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it'd come out as Netherstone... < 1294884039 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1294884041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NetherRACK < 1294884052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NetherACK < 1294884079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really netherack? < 1294884099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno :P < 1294884254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a windows_natives < 1294884274 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ... hyper with excitement < 1294884284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure to rm bin/version :P < 1294884289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also... no comment. < 1294884296 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Note: I don't mean sexually] < 1294884308 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexadfawefuhawr < 1294884311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-shutup- Shut up about sex! < 1294884335 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factoracto < 1294884340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said, it's broken :P < 1294884358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bug was weird. But I'm not restarting it until I decide that it won't hurt me. < 1294884364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that service system hurts me. < 1294884403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we all know that shutup's source is updog < 1294884403 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294884414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, by the power of rampant speculation. < 1294884460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the bug where updog doesn't distinguish between msgs to the channel and to it hurts you even more < 1294884460 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294884496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hurt, with pain. < 1294884509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That bug was weird. But I'm not restarting it until I decide that it won't hurt me. <-- what bug < 1294884524 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, something to do with sex, apparently < 1294884524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It triggered on "sex" when it was not, in fact, intended to. < 1294884535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shutup code is ... kinda tailored for perversity. < 1294884543 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you accidentally trigger on sex? < 1294884545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to code bots in any sane kind of manner. < 1294884563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: By fitting a words-to-include formula to the data of past things you've said. < 1294884564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think the bug where updog doesn't distinguish between msgs to the channel and to it hurts you even more <-- hah < 1294884564 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294884584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., decide what words to filter on, make an algo that goes through all your past said words and uses the frequency to decide which ones to keep, < 1294884589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fit the latter so that it produces the former. < 1294884595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame you for skewing the results. < 1294884630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it will be a while before it triggers on Alluded-To? < 1294884641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Alluded-To? < 1294884655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Katie Alluded-To Female. < 1294884660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Katie A.T. F. for short. < 1294884663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh the "she"? < 1294884665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294884674 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nothing wrong with having a girlfriend < 1294884685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is she not alluded-to? < 1294884694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what is wrong with that < 1294884695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that was invented far before the term girlfriend could be even vaguely applicable. < 1294884704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: somehow i cannot quite recall Sgeo talking that much about sex in the past < 1294884710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you should make the bot tell yourself to shut up about @ btw < 1294884721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rarely talk about @ < 1294884722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is awesome though < 1294884723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you not read? it's not based on direct frequency < 1294884741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well obviously or it would trigger on "the" :D < 1294884742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i rigged the input to the algo so that it came back with almost the word list i wanted < 1294884754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sanity is frankly boring < 1294884767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294884773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to be fairly deliberate for fantasies < 1294884776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe you have just algorithmically proved that Sgeo _is_ obsessed with sex, then. < 1294884781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did add some special-casing. < 1294884781 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantasy < 1294884785 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1294884793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am a brilliant visionary and a scientist. < 1294884804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I graciously accept this Nobel Prize. < 1294884848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but the Nobel Prize is Swedish. How can you not look down on it. < 1294884849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION IRC-bookmarks http://code.google.com/p/gnuemacscolorthemetest/ < 1294884855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so is olsner and he's p. coo < 1294884864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 90% of you suck < 1294884869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "p. coo"? < 1294884873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty coo' < 1294884875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about Firefly? < 1294884882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure but he rarely talks or anything < 1294884885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also 90% of *everything* sucks < 1294884889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beholdmyglory is also swedish i think < 1294884895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes, but 90% of the remaining 10% of sweden sucks < 1294884905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden applies sturgeon's RECURSIVE law < 1294884910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294884911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically only epsilon% of sweden doesn't suck < 1294884917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily provable < 1294884935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks = 90% + 90% of 10% + 90% of 10% of 10% + 90% of 10% of 10% of 10% + ... < 1294884953 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we got the joke < 1294884954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the emacs themes are ugly < 1294884959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, wai < 1294884964 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the same thing as 100% < 1294884965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs has themes? < 1294884969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thus epsilon% < 1294884972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: color-theme-select < 1294884975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all fairly hideous < 1294884978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 99.9999999..... = 100 < 1294884982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this nice one i used once... < 1294884988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: swat Sgeo plxkthz < 1294884994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that M-x? < 1294885000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1294885001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because I have no color-theme-select < 1294885007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what emacs version? < 1294885012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 90% of everything that sucks sucks. < 1294885015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 23, you may have to require 'color-theme < 1294885015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i think elliott is using non-standard analysis < 1294885020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it has a u < 1294885026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1294885031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: non-standard analysis doesn't exactly give 99.99999... != 100 :D < 1294885051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: details! < 1294885067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: proof that they are all pretty bad: http://gnuemacscolorthemetest.googlecode.com/svn/html/index-c.html < 1294885075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://gnuemacscolorthemetest.googlecode.com/svn/html/index-tex.html http://gnuemacscolorthemetest.googlecode.com/svn/html/index-el.html < 1294885077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for different languages < 1294885089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :el one is probably best < 1294885091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the code is the prettiest < 1294885098 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arjen looks decent < 1294885108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1294885113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, standard emacs are quite okay < 1294885123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of these look like some colourblind kid slapped random colours together without thinking < 1294885135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bharadwaj Slate must die < 1294885141 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest look decent < 1294885142 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly < 1294885163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bharadwaj Slate must die <-- yeargh yesx < 1294885164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes* < 1294885178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/blog/28.html this is the ideal of syntax highlighting < 1294885180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also blue sea, blue mood < 1294885182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1294885182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the specific colours he used < 1294885185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bharadwaj sounds indian and everyone knows indians are colorblind < 1294885193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i generally prefer dark-on-beigey-esque-stuff < 1294885193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1294885195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Late Night. < 1294885201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his use of colour theory is very relevant < 1294885202 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. Dear God Why. Late Night. < 1294885203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone should read that post < 1294885212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the end result is really great, ignoring the absolute colours < 1294885220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look from a slight distance you can really see the balance it creates < 1294885233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only every language had fans so dedicated to write such colourers for them :) < 1294885286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: late night is one of the better ones. < 1294885289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit too low contrast < 1294885295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, at least, it isn't a mess of colours < 1294885303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shading > colours usualy < 1294885305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*usually < 1294885343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/blog/28.html this is the ideal of syntax highlighting <-- extremely interesting < 1294885389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i might do that for haskell sometime < 1294885393 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, white on black < 1294885397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: as i said < 1294885400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the actual colours that matter < 1294885405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the design of the whole thing < 1294885407 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean < 1294885410 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to read that < 1294885416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disable css :p < 1294885420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree it sucks < 1294885432 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't get why people insist on doing that shit < 1294885442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people haven't quite realised that with an lcd, backlight-on on backlight-off = lightbulb < 1294885450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with crts it wasn't quite the same < 1294885452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and light-on-dark was ok < 1294885459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on lcds it's godawful < 1294885531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: can you write a lazy parallel specialiser for me? < 1294885535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in x86-64 assembly? < 1294885535 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1294885535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1294885540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be great < 1294885543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my desk by monday < 1294885554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone's ever done work on parallel specialisation < 1294885559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds it to the phd thesis topic ideas list < 1294885562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Light-on-dark is bad? Huh? < 1294885567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1294885570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: On LCDs, yes. < 1294885574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so? < 1294885582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The background, and the gaps in the letters, get (almost) no backlight. So they're like looking at, you know, a wall. < 1294885587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Whereas the letters are lit brightly. < 1294885594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The result is that they shine like a lightbulb. < 1294885612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Your backlight level is almost certainly set too high. < 1294885617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The best is off-black on, e.g., a medium beige: not black-on-lightbulb, but not lightbulb-on-black. < 1294885624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure. But even with a lower backlight you get similar things. < 1294885634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact is that it's little-tiny-lines-of-light-on-no-light and that just ain't nice. < 1294885659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ugh, white on black <-- yeah should use light grey on black < 1294885663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ALSO considering probably most of the web is dark-on-light, it's horrible because when you move away from light-on-dark, your eyes explode. < 1294885663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the terminal < 1294885668 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol < 1294885674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off-white on white < 1294885680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grey1 on grey2 < 1294885689 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pink on purple < 1294885690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :braille on random sea of braille < 1294885691 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's best < 1294885694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ NO THIS IS BEST < 1294885702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i'm gonna go around trolling blind people < 1294885705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, what does this say?" < 1294885717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1294885723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone render "has anyone ever been so far as ..." in braille < 1294885729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to put it on a random door in the high street < 1294885735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, your monitor has insufficiently backlight bleeding :P < 1294885735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294885737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should sleep now < 1294885738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black on PLUGE black on a TV. < 1294885740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before i get any better ideas < 1294885743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1294885819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night again < 1294886194 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1294886198 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha... NASA produces heavy launcher design and notes "However, to be clear, neither Reference Vehicle Design currently fits the projected budget profiles nor schedule goals outlined in the Authorization Act”. Translation: It will take horridly long and be horridly expensive. < 1294886275 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to those pork-barrel politicans, US manned spaceflight program is effectively dead... < 1294886292 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1294886352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; as soon as the shuttle's done, that's it. < 1294886362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more US manned spaceflight, barring a miracle. < 1294886371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But remember: we're number one! < 1294886557 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, only Russia and China are capable of manned launches... < 1294886566 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to orbit) < 1294886671 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was something about private companies? < 1294886718 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And manned moon landing... Hasn't been possible for any space agency for 30 years... < 1294886726 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually more) < 1294886773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There are private companies that would *like* to have a manned launch capacity. < 1294886784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1294886912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. SpaceX is actually *working on* a manned orbital launch vehicle. < 1294887057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their rocket has successfully launched a module into orbit. < 1294887072 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saturn V-23(L)... Now that would have been crazy device. 5 uprated F-1s (F-1A)... PLUS 4x2 F-1As in form of 4 extra boosters... < 1294887245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It was, in fact, a fully functional cargo vehicle they launched. As soon as NASA is satisfied, it will be launching to the ISS. < 1294887507 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And too bad none of the "Nova" rockets was ever built... < 1294887622 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor any nuclear-powered rockets... < 1294887666 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I mean more like NERVA than ORION) < 1294887737 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :c0pumpkin < 1294887864 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, something about contracting to private companies to go to space seems enormously appropriate, we just need to somehow convince them that it's worth it ... < 1294889509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad accidentally threw out the melatonin < 1294889520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on sleeping tonight < 1294890190 0 :c0pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :copumpkin < 1294890237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_accidentally_ < 1294890240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1294890533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was cleaning out the medicine closet, and didn't realize the melatonin was mine, I guess < 1294890809 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad just gave me a Benadryl < 1294891023 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work < 1294891044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's not for sleeping is it < 1294891050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(says wikipedia) < 1294891068 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not. but it has a pretty pronounced drowsiness side effect < 1294892972 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a cooler place, kobnhavn or amsterdam? < 1294893040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amsterdam because it actually exists < 1294893500 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294893647 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copenhagen or denmark man, be straight with me < 1294893651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*amsterdam < 1294893652 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1294893658 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two conversations at once < 1294893715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the other conversation got a *copenhagen? < 1294893750 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1294896544 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears that Copenhagen is, but only by 1-2 degrees centigrade. < 1294896550 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-19-45.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1294896563 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294896619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ... < 1294896665 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1294896707 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, just going by Wikipedia's relatively limited climate information. < 1294896831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1294896947 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294897129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah *good*. < 1294897182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :George Hotz's lawyer has, in SCEA v. George Hotz; Hector Martin; Cantero; Sven Peter; and Does 1 through 100, argued against the claim of jurisdiction and the claim that the defendants are somehow acting in concert. < 1294897289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short: unless SCEA can demonstrate that a court in California has jurisdiction over people in: California, New Jersey, Sweden, and various unknown countries in Europe, *and* that the defendants are, in fact, a single group, acting in concert, this case ought to be thrown out soon. < 1294897347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the only reason for the California court to have jurisdiction would be if *all* defendants had agreed to the PSN terms of service, and as George Hotz is in no way acting together with fail0verflow, I expect SCEA to need to file a new case. < 1294897412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His attorney apparently specialises in defending against the RIAA's P2P lawsuits. < 1294897571 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful < 1294897727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good. Groklaw's following this case. < 1294897749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... SCO IS STILL GOING‽‽‽ < 1294898202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, SCEA? < 1294898361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sony Computer Entertainment of America. < 1294898369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, incidentally, is in Delaware. < 1294898415 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294898419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, they're suing in a state that neither they *nor* their defendants are in, soley because the PSN terms say "you agree to be under the jurisdiction of (some court in California)". < 1294898448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure that clause even *works* outside of the US. < 1294898488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. It certainly doesn't *effectively* work outside of the US; after all, a non-American can just tell US courts to fuck off and die in a fire. < 1294898489 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294898513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not getting fucking extradited for a civil matter. < 1294898642 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, if they are not in that jurisdiction that clause shouldn't work < 1294898764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Most of the defendants are not in the jurisdiction of *any US court*. < 1294898908 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294899245 0 :acetoline!~acetoline@125-237-12-196.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1294899381 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone figured out whether they're suing specifically the named people as constituting fail0verflow, or those plus anyone else who happens to be affiliated with f0f? < 1294899394 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not suing < 1294899397 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what I mean < 1294899435 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mention does 1 through 100 < 1294899476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: They are suing *specifically* fail0verflow. < 1294899494 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which they happen to know four members as named? < 1294899497 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but potentially more? < 1294899501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294899503 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1294899516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, *three* members as named. < 1294899527 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1294899529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :George Hotz is not a member of fail0verflow. < 1294899536 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are four others < 1294899538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, in fact, has *no* connection to them at all. < 1294899542 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :P < 1294899545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hector Martin; Cantero; Sven Peter. < 1294899546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 3. < 1294899549 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segher < 1294899554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an alias. < 1294899556 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hector martin cantero is one person < 1294899567 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bushing is another < 1294899578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bushing is an alias. < 1294899581 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1294899589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only named real names. < 1294899609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then listed the aliases for people that will be included in "Does 1 through 100". < 1294899621 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the documents included plenty of mentions of bushing and segher < 1294899627 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1294899636 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other aliases are in there? < 1294899661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there were others; they are merely presuming that there are an unknown number of other members. < 1294899666 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1294899682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With "1 through 100" as shorthand for "however many of them there are". < 1294899698 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1294899773 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it'll be interesting to see how this goes < 1294899879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that Geohotz and Bushing will have trouble from this. < 1294899907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone else can just mock our insane legal system. < 1294900000 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s-hphotos-ash1.fbcdn.net/hs796.ash1/168654_482257016845_714011845_6503407_4647200_n.jpg :-} < 1294900860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: are you an actual variable, or one of those stupid fp/math that can't actually change their value? < 1294900869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ones that < 1294901279 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I'm truly variable < 1294901621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least some of the time < 1294901704 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes - when I'm about to be shot, mutilated, or otherwise modified I become const < 1294901818 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294901854 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if DVItype has been published in a book? Do you know what would be the proper bibliography citation for it? < 1294901934 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what format? < 1294901946 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLA ? Chicago ? < 1294901989 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I am using Vancouver format. < 1294902002 0 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1294902009 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know that one < 1294902015 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294902023 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know MLA6, MLA7, and, APA < 1294902031 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Chicago < 1294902035 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of APA < 1294902073 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the citation for it, in any format? < 1294902094 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, its a website - right? < 1294902105 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: No. < 1294902122 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what is it and I'll try to tell you < 1294902130 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both the book I am citing and the book I am aking are both computer programs. < 1294902171 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Online or bought (boxed) ? < 1294902200 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a file on my computer, I do not know if it has ever been published in a book. < 1294902212 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm - its source code? < 1294902236 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have both the source file and the DVI file. < 1294902250 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Last, First. Software Name. Vers. A.b.c. Company Name, 1887. Computer software. < 1294902253 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in MLA < 1294902277 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1887 is the year of creation < 1294902341 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, remove "Vers. A.b.c" if you don't know remove the "Company name" AND date published if it wasn't previously published < 1294902365 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if it was published. < 1294902390 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, then just use Last, First. Software Name. < 1294902401 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the trailing . < 1294902404 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program TeX and METAFONT are published (I have the books), but this program DVItype I do not know (it is related to TeX, though) < 1294902406 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again - this is MLA style) < 1294902472 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, years ago I wrote a program to automatically generate this for me :-} < 1294902487 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have "(Version 3.6, December 1995)" and "The preparation of this report was supported in part by the National Science Foundation under grants IST-820 1926 and ..." < 1294902487 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may rewrite it in Haskell or something - and then publish it < 1294902499 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pa.msu.edu/~aaronson/alitest/aintro.html what are your alignments guys? < 1294902528 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, D&D alignment test - heh < 1294902549 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came up True Neutral < 1294902554 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1294902602 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These things are written on the table of contents page of DVItype < 1294902618 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm not very familiar with govt. works < 1294902625 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd venture to guess that it is < 1294902656 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Last, First. Software Name. Vers. 3.6. Computer software. < 1294902940 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, i only did the first 15 questions: Alignment: True Neutral < 1294902960 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1294903260 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest figures: APNIC pool is at 39 886 592 IPs. 3.0M-8.0M remain to estimated allocation thresholds... < 1294903266 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done a few D&D alignment tests, with some different answers on each one, I have gotten NG, CG, and CN. < 1294903296 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I think it is not government work. Donald Knuth wrote DVItype. < 1294903332 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you play D&D - curious < 1294903397 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also invented some spells and feats and stuff for D&D game. < 1294903426 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, as in official or homebre? < 1294903429 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*homebrew < 1294903448 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Just my own spells/feats. But I use the official ones, too. < 1294903449 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes ot look how large is APNIC IPv6 pool... :-) < 1294903457 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, heh - same here :-} < 1294903535 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character is ettercap. My brother's character is human ninja. There are also some NPCs in the party, one of which is otyugh and the others humans. < 1294903588 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And almost every one of my actions in the game is strange. < 1294903663 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :82 339 124 917 091 486 660 901 601 422 606 336 addresses (99.1% of a block). < 1294903752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wrt mcmap: it could be some off by one error. Even when you edit further down you sometimes get errors. Not corruption like near max alt, but sometimes if you edit just below the top block that edit show up as top on mcmap surface view when it shouldn't < 1294903822 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first page of DVItype is numbered 402, so it seems it might have been a part of some book. < 1294903836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for example I placed a lightstone below an ironblock at altitude 73 and it showed up as a lightstone on mcmap. However it is not reliably reproducible, even in that one spot. Things like that happen every now and then. But far from always. < 1294903934 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that it is not allowed to place something in the public domain. But does it apply in Canada? Is it allowed in Canada to make something public domain? < 1294903972 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is it disallowed? < 1294904259 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason why public domain might be disallowed is possibility of coercion... < 1294904337 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1294904355 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Do you have example? < 1294904930 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got algorithm to make plurals working, but can you check to see if there are omissions or anything else wrong with my file? < 1294905259 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, depends on the country < 1294905272 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most countries follow the Berne convention < 1294905313 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically states: "author gets all the rights except if he gives them away (and a bit of fair use like things) < 1294905362 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closest one could get to placing something in the public domain is by providing an irrevocable, transferable, license to everyone < 1294905387 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "public domain" is made up by some countries which states that certain types of things don't have a copyright owner < 1294905406 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE the federal government in the US, and works over X years from the author's death < 1294905599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1294905600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1294905716 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make something in the public domain by dictating the US government to write it down exactly as I said? < 1294905757 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course this is completely impractical, I am asking if it is possible/legal) < 1294905787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that depends whether you use legal means for "incentivizing" them to write what you say. < 1294905837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you can sneak things into public domain by getting them recorded as part of some court proceedings. < 1294905856 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it legal for someone to sue themself? < 1294905881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure, but you could have an accomplice there. < 1294905904 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get something into the public domain by suing myself over the document I wish to make public domain? < 1294906032 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read somewhere that the DMCA allows Sony to sue themself, I do not know whether or not this is true. < 1294906371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While the copyright of the play Peter Pan, or the Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up by J. M. Barrie has expired in the United Kingdom, it was granted a special exception under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (Schedule 6)[33] that requires royalties to be paid for performances within the UK, so long as Great Ormond Street Hospital (to whom Barrie gave the rights) continues to exist." < 1294906374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that a bit strange? < 1294906429 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes it is a bit strange, I think. < 1294906578 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, erm < 1294906592 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disney has a perpetual copyright on mickey mouse IIRC < 1294906598 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, suing oneself is not possible < 1294906605 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the US) < 1294906625 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Do you know if in Canada, it is permitted to put something into public domain? < 1294906655 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I would highly doubt it - but I know little of Canadian law < 1294906655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Disney's copyright is just a "de-facto" seems-to-be-extended-all-the-time thing, not something that's actually perpetual. < 1294906668 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also not a lawyer and I do not give legal advice < 1294906705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But are you a doctor and can the above be construed as medical advice? < 1294906709 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, strictly speaking its some insanely long term that congress keeps on extending (there was a supreme court case about the constitutionality of this) but its close to perpetual < 1294906712 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no. < 1294906726 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its sad that I feel I must answer the question seriously) < 1294906737 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I am not expecting proper legal advice. < 1294906747 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor am I expecting proper medical advice. < 1294906774 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, public domain is basically things that fall outside of copyright law < 1294906792 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most countries its not really possible to put something in PD < 1294906875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just die and then wait a century or so. < 1294906929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you actually wait a full century, you don't even need to die. < 1294906945 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no - its 100 yrs after author death < 1294906952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"95 years from publication or 120 years from creation whichever is shorter (anonymous works, pseudonymous works, or works made for hire, published since 1978)" < 1294906963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Life + 70 years (works published since 1978 or unpublished works)" < 1294906968 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meany < 1294906969 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says Wikipedia's US table. < 1294906970 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 yrs < 1294906971 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100 < 1294906978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but if you publish it anonymously. < 1294906990 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, actually - after doing some research (read: google) there is some common law about suing yourself < 1294907048 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I add the following text to the beginning of the document: "This license is secret and its author is not permitted to read/use it, unless it is part of a court case in which case it is public domain. The license conditions end here; what follows is an appendix." and then somehow sue myself over it........ < 1294907070 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, one of my get rich slow schemes is to publish different works under 10 different names forecasting different financial outcomes in a few yrs. Then when one comes true reveal myself as the author of that work and write a new one that I sell for lots of money < 1294907093 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you could try to go to congress and get it read there < 1294907109 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even if it were criminal you couldn't get prosecuted over it) < 1294907115 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :France in the table: "Life + 70 years [...] + 30 years for all works if the author died on active service". < 1294907191 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Why couldn't get prosecuted over it? < 1294907239 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the DMCA actually permit Sony to sue themself or is that something that someone else made up? < 1294907281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sony" is composed of so many parts that I'm sure they could find some separate corporations to interfight. < 1294907447 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, one can't be prosecuted for something said/done in the course of a Congressional hearing IIRC < 1294907454 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for the exact provision now < 1294907504 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, "They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place." < 1294907518 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Article I Section 6 < 1294907528 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only applies to members < 1294907662 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the idea was to prevent the president from having legislative members arrested before voting < 1294907676 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misremembered the clause < 1294907776 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294907825 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is AWAY < 1294907909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ < 1294907910 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    |     `\o/´     | < 1294907910 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    >\      |       |\ < 1294907910 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           /´\ < 1294907910 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         (_| |_) < 1294907967 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294907984 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project Gutenberg says you can release your own work into public domain by writing a note; this contradicts the description about the WTFPL. And anyways this is for United States. I live in Canada. < 1294908762 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294908989 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1294909181 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1294909362 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea, I have thought to make a program that converts a ESC/P file for Epson dot-matrix printers into DVI format. < 1294909695 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294909830 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-01-13/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DilbertDailyStrip+(Dilbert+Daily+Strip)&Page=2 < 1294909839 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a human spammer? < 1294909840 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1294911195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1294911500 0 :Warmage!~user@78.100.187.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294911515 0 :Warmage!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1294918261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have idea, I have thought to make a program that converts a ESC/P file for Epson dot-matrix printers into DVI format. <-- I wonder why this would ever be useful < 1294918463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps he has a large amount of documentation or something in the form of ESC/P files. < 1294918594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what my dot-matrix printer used; it might have been partially compatible, but not very. I do have some conversion programs from raster graphics to that, for image-printing. < 1294918608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1294918616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for DOS? < 1294918661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just something you can run a .png through and then 'lp' it out a raw printcap entry or something. I think this was pre-CUPS. < 1294918674 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294918714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, I looked at the C1x static asserts; the format is _Static_assert(constant-expression, string-literal), and the semantics are that if constant-expression equals zero, "the implementation shall produce a diagnostic message that includes the text of the string literal". And defines static_assert to _Static_assert. < 1294918718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather straight-forward. < 1294918739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294918768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather more limited than D's static asserts then? < 1294918780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what those are like. < 1294918827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember they looked rather interesting when reading ccbi2 source < 1294918832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember how < 1294918840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw where did you find the c1x draft? < 1294918909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's at http://www.open-std.org/Jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1547.pdf -- don't quite remember where I got the link, it's not directly on the WG14 front page, but maybe it's in there deeper somewhere. < 1294918927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO working group web pages tend to be a bit unstructured and confusing. < 1294918954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh indeed < 1294918974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, open-std? Isn't that POSIX related? < 1294918991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have quite a lot of stuff there. < 1294918998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1294918998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the posix workin group page. < 1294919015 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WG11 - Binding Techniques" I wonder what on earth that is < 1294919045 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the phrase "Programming languages and, operating systems" looks terribly strange to me. The comma specifically. < 1294919048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how to make specifications independent of programming languages, and then apply these specifications to the programming languages" -- sounds a bit SWIGgy. < 1294919080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not, really. < 1294919106 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? that comma was much less out of place to me < 1294919119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if that was what you were trying to imply) < 1294919132 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just meant the binding stuff is not very SWIGgy after all. < 1294919135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294919145 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C standard includes some sort of a "binding" to their "language-independent math" thing. < 1294919170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1294919263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and C1x thread functions have a naming scheme that's a bit on the ugly side; all thread functions/macros/whatever are thrd_foo, mutexes mtx_foo, and condition-variable stuff cnd_foo. < 1294919286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purely as a guess I think they didn't want to have too many namespace conflicts for people who already were using the full words. < 1294919300 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, uh do they still have the 8 letter identifier thingy? < 1294919306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if so I guess that is why < 1294919328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The names themselves are definitely longer than that, and wasn't it already 31 letters also for external names? < 1294919337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh perhaps < 1294919343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be 8 somewhere < 1294919384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"31 significant initial characters in an external identifier" < 1294919391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in C90, at least, IIRC. < 1294919398 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294919448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though re those 31, "each universal character name specifying a short identifier of 0000FFFF or less is considered 6 characters, each universal character name specifying a short identifier of 00010000 or more is considered 10 characters, and each extended source character is considered the same number of characters as the corresponding universal character name, if any" < 1294919486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... < 1294919499 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why those specific boundaries < 1294919501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you use only Unicode characters outside the BMP (say you're programming in old turkic), you're only guaranteed three significant characters. < 1294919510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294919526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like they just thought "okay, no-one can be weird enough to use multibyte encodings longer than *this*, can they?" < 1294919558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it isn't like any mainstream implementation actually cuts off at that 31 char limit anyway < 1294919606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. (Also you're guaranteed 63 characters in internal identifiers, and there even Unicode chars count as just one.) < 1294919638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again I doubt any compiler actually cuts off there < 1294919725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C1x also adds u8"foo" UTF-8 string literals, and u"foo" / U"foo" Unicode wide-character (of type char16_t / char32_t, corresponding to UTF-16 / UTF-32, respectively) string literals, and a header for conflaburating in-between things. < 1294919791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen people assume that wchar_t numbers correspond to Unicode code points before; it's I guess nice to have something that in actual fact always does. < 1294919872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, or at least "always does if __STDC_UTF_16__ / __STDC_UTF_32__ are defined", which you can compile-time test easily. < 1294919941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they don't. iirc they are usually 16 bits < 1294919958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wchar_t that is) < 1294919969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what wchar_t actually corresponds to though < 1294919992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how comfortable-to-use the C1x Unicode support is, since they haven't added anything into the stdio formatted-output functions for that. < 1294920030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully they will add that < 1294920063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be somewhat messy if they keep the existing "w-stuff" and then add even more "u-stuff" on top. < 1294920166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they would drop the w stuff < 1294920175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will* < 1294920200 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. But they might not go through all that complexity to add in the u-stuff. < 1294920220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the bounds checking stuff looks interesting < 1294920246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, these GCC-4.4 parts that pertain to wchar_t are a bit amusing: http://p.zem.fi/wchar < 1294920301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like someone's trying to figure out how many ways you can put "wchar" and "t" together for a header-inclusion guard macro name. < 1294920307 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1294920357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is this from somewhere in bits/ ? < 1294920366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, GCC? < 1294920383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4/include/stddef.h in my machine. < 1294920392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought GCC just provided limits.h and stdarg.h < 1294920406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* Why is this file so hard to maintain properly? In contrast to < 1294920406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the comment above regarding BSD/386 1.1, on FreeBSD for as long < 1294920406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : as the symbol has existed, _BSD_RUNE_T_ must not stay defined or < 1294920406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : redundant typedefs will occur when stdlib.h is included after this file. */ < 1294920411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The writer seems somehow depressed. < 1294920424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294920432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "comment above" was a bit longish to paste.) < 1294920496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* In case nobody has defined these types, but we aren't running under < 1294920496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GCC 2.00, make sure that __PTRDIFF_TYPE__, __SIZE_TYPE__, and < 1294920496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : __WCHAR_TYPE__ have reasonable values. This can happen if the < 1294920496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : parts of GCC is compiled by an older compiler, that actually < 1294920496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : include gstddef.h, such as collect2. */ < 1294920508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any time I take a peek inside, I'm surprised that these things actually for the most part do work. < 1294920561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294920570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why GCC 2.00? < 1294920573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* snaroff@next.com says the NeXT needs this. */ /* Irix 5.1 needs this. */ /* This avoids lossage on SunOS but only if stdtypes.h comes first. There's no way to win with the other order! Sun lossage. */ < 1294920693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1294920728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what sort of lossage? < 1294920738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, and the writer doesn't specify. < 1294920790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also "stdtypes.h" sounds suspect. I thought the C standard reserved that prefix < 1294920865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the topic of "perverse systems": apparently there are some Crays on which size_t is a 32-bit type, as are most pointers, with the exception of "void *"s and "char *"s, which are 64-bit types. (This was in the context of how likely stuffing a pointer into a size_t is to break, as opposed to using uintptr_t which is guaranteed to work but of course only if you actually have uintptr_t and proper .) < 1294920876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the bounds checking stuff seems confusing in c1x < 1294920904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about a signed intptr_t? < 1294920931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that too should work, I just wanted to be consistent and use an unsigned type since size_t is one. < 1294920951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294920959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ssize_t < 1294920980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always found that one highly suspect < 1294920993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a bit iffy, yes. < 1294921010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway isn't intptr_t/uintptr_t XSI or something? My man page for stdint.h indicates that < 1294921043 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are at least C99 types, though optional. < 1294921048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294921053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the machine in question simply might not have integers large enough. < 1294921064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294921077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But those Cray boxes do have a 64-bit integer too, it's just that size_t isn't one of them for some interesting reason.) < 1294921109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it constantly amazes me that C didn't end up supporting ternary systems < 1294921208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C1x seems to keep the C99 restriction of "it must be either sign-magnitude, one's-complement or two's-complement, not some sort of freaky weird integer encoding". < 1294921419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it is interesting how C99 caused POSIX to restrict CHAR_BIT to exactly 8. IIRC with the restrictions C99 introduced and the old restrictions POSIX had on it, the only possible choice was exactly 8 < 1294921686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm, right; that seems to follow from the fact that C99 mandates CHAR_BIT >= 8, and since intN_t must be exactly N bits with no padding or fluff, sizeof(int8_t) must always be 1, and POSIX mandates int{8,16,32}_t. < 1294921734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that yes < 1294921815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm those bounds checking functions seem rather weak < 1294921841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does it say that intN_t has to take up N bits of space? < 1294921857 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "The typedef name intN_t designates a signed integer type with width N , no padding bits, and a two’s complement representation." < 1294921864 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright < 1294921869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that C or POSIX? < 1294921884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was the C1x draft, but I do think it's the same in C99. < 1294921886 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed C < 1294921888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294921895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had that handily open.) < 1294921923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, isn't stdio functions with the _s suffix some sort of silliness that MSVC invented? < 1294921942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "_s for safe"? Yes, I at least thought those were Microsoft things. < 1294921952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they seem to be in the C1x draft < 1294921953 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294921958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snprintf_s in particular seems utterly silly < 1294922014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"snprintf_s is equivalent to snprintf, adding run-time constraints that restrict format from being null, n being less than zero and less than RSIZE_MAX." < 1294922054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RSIZE_MAX... why on earth < 1294922087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy with gcc's __attribute__ to warn me about mismatching format strings and null pointers. It works and seems far more useful than that < 1294922092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ISO/IEC TR 24731-1 recommends that RSIZE_MAX be defined as the smaller of the size of the largest object supported or (SIZE_MAX >> 1), even if this limit is smaller than the size of some legitimate, but very large, objects." < 1294922160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, there is gets_s < 1294922187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they recommend fgets rather than it < 1294922206 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1294922207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems a bit funny. < 1294922230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is tragic < 1294922243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets_s reads lines, fgets reads strings. < 1294922246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does the bounds-checking, but "maintains a one-to-one relationship between input lines and successful calls to gets_s. Programs that use gets expect such a relationship." < 1294922268 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memcpy_s looks utterly pointless as well < 1294922273 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would any program use gets? Isn't that the dangerous function/ < 1294922283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many programs do dangerous things. < 1294922310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really they should have added strlcpy and strlcat, that would have been way more useful < 1294922361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, strcpy_s's buffer-size parameter is at least the sensible one. < 1294922390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is indeed an improvement < 1294922422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they seem to be reasonably consistently so that there's always the destination buffer and it's size. < 1294922453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for memcpy it seems utterly pointless however < 1294922495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's there so that you don't forget to do the check yourself, I guess. < 1294922503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to catch it if you do it wrong. < 1294922539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems a lot more annoying to use than gcc's and glibc's stuff. < 1294922550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't even do as much < 1294922565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no format check for format strings as far as I can see < 1294922586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memset_s seems utterly stupid < 1294922634 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "gcc's and glibc's stuff" that's equivalent to these < 1294922708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 does a good job, plus various __attribute__s like nonnull, format, whatever-the-name-was-for-the-one-that-warns-if-you-throw-away-return-value and so on < 1294922744 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fortify source one is closest to this, and is transparent. I believe Ubuntu has it on at level 1 by default < 1294922823 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently at 2 < 1294922831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags#-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 < 1294922838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also for gcc, it can sometimes turn it into a compile time check when optimising < 1294922842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a runtime check < 1294922870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is done with various weird __builtin_foo() functions < 1294922885 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can be done with the _s functions as well, depending on their implementation. < 1294922926 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, true, but they aren't done transparently. Requires more work < 1294922951 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they require less work of compiler writers. :-P < 1294922981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and they still won't give you a warning if doing something like printf("Error: %s (%d)\n", 42, "Generic error"); < 1294922984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memcpy_s() { if (I don't like your parameters) { abort() or whatever; } else return memcpy(); } < 1294923006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer proper "here we actually know the buffer length" checks over "let's put some stuff behind the buffer and see if it gets overwritten" checks. < 1294923012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, but that's again difficult. < 1294923018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but a lot more useful < 1294923045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a QOI issue and not something that (well, arguably) should be in a language standard. :p < 1294923048 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I agree: if printf fails it's at least almost always obvious < 1294923062 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If memcpy fails it might just corrupt some unrelated data < 1294923067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the latter is still useful. But that isn't what _FORTIFY_SOURCE does afaik. -fstack-protector does that < 1294923105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't do that, I don't see how it could even theoretically check for buffer overflows for a dynamically allocated buffer. < 1294923139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but what about memset_s then. Most probably the most common use for it is to zero fill a buffer. You pass it a pointer, a buffer length, a value to fill with, and how much to fill < 1294923158 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time people probably use memset to fill an entire buffer < 1294923172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least an entire buffer after an offset (in case of realloc or such) < 1294923196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the two lengths will equal each other. Are you going to write two different code paths for them? < 1294923215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you feel yourself writing memset_s(buf, max, 0, max), maybe you could then just consider writing memset(buf, 0, max) in that particular row? < 1294923238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess then you won't get the null-pointer runtime constraint checks. < 1294923265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sure. I'm just trying to point out that in general these _s variants seem fairly laughably stupid. Possibly with the exception of strcpy_s. < 1294923279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or strcat_s? < 1294923286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far only memset_s seems a bit silly < 1294923288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't looked at that one *does so* < 1294923295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, gets_s too < 1294923302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets_s is fine. < 1294923310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and snprintf_s < 1294923313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets_s is fine if you really don't feel like bothering to actually handle long lines. < 1294923317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what gets should've been in the first place. < 1294923395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, okay strcat_s seems reasonable < 1294923414 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snprintf_s is another one that just does sensible checks that snprintf should've done, but can't now because of backwards compatibility < 1294923431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the null pointer thing? < 1294923474 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No null target or format string, no %n, no null arguments to %s < 1294923498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%n shouldn't have been there in the first place < 1294923502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what an "encoding error" is for sprintf, that may be sensible as well < 1294923554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I can tell, the aim here would be that instead of doing something like assert(buf != NULL); assert(arg != NULL); snprintf(buf, n, "foo: %s", arg); you get a runtime-fail-at-least-sort-of-nicely behaviour with just assert(snprintf_s(buf, n, "foo: %s", arg) >= 0); or some-such. (A bit contrived example, but anyway.) < 1294923576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, does the checking depend on NDEBUG? < 1294923576 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-17.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294923580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so that is awful < 1294923582 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "you can't pass buffer sizes that span more than half the address space" seems fairly reasonable too, at least by default < 1294923583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. < 1294923600 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was meaning an always-on assert here. :p < 1294923618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that depends. Though I doubt anyone will be insane enough to use this on an embedded system anyway < 1294923626 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not the tiny ones < 1294923630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like said, by default < 1294923654 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a good default, but it should be overrideable < 1294923695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be better to add saner strings instead < 1294923713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pascal style: < 1294923714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1294923772 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomo reminds me a little of Factor < 1294923926 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1294925102 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The stack-smashing protection seems to still have this old data leak problem too: http://p.zem.fi/memcpy.c < 1294926046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err. What happened there < 1294926098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also uh, doesn't look like a major issue that it reports the new value. Aids in debugging certainly < 1294926109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those values are my own printfs. < 1294926127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is the data leak? < 1294926156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the fact that the "you smashed the stack" error message will blindly follow the new overwritten argv[0] value, and print it out. < 1294926170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this were a suid-something program, you could use that to read out anything in its address space. < 1294926172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294926177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1294926222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here I've just read out the "SECRET DATA" string which I could pick from the executable, or just read from /proc I guess, but it's more problematical for suid executables that, say, read out /etc/shadow in memory, then after that have a (exploitable) buffer overflow somewhere. < 1294926255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1294926310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's an old thing, there's at least one mail about it in Apr 2010 on the full-disclosure mailing list; and I guess it's possible it's already fixed, I'm not exactly using the latest tools here at work. < 1294926741 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294926781 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1294927593 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229031211.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294927648 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY COMPUTER HUNG UP AND I DIDN'T REBOOT IT IMMEDIATELY < 1294927655 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY LIFE IS BEGINNING TO SHATTER < 1294928587 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294928679 0 :acetoline!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294931075 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1294931314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mkdir: cannot create directory `misc': No space left on device" -- that's always a nice thing to get from the "project work" filesystem. < 1294932263 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001f5b00390f-CM001e6b2335dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294932314 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294932331 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136121.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294932366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, quotas? < 1294932381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : MY COMPUTER HUNG UP AND I DIDN'T REBOOT IT IMMEDIATELY <-- do you have a hardware watchdog? < 1294932386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just a 3.7 terabyte NFS share that is full. < 1294932390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1294932398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They keep talking about implementing quotas, though. < 1294932404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think home directories already have some. < 1294932422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'd like a "hilbert's SSD". < 1294932429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Filesystem blocks quota limit grace files quota limit grace < 1294932430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2277M 4096M 4096M 21218 4295m 4295m < 1294932438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is a home directory quota. < 1294932442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4G, I guess. < 1294932445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1294932477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably clean ~ some day, since there should be mostly code, documents and stuff like that in there. < 1294932547 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what would you do with it? it's unlikely you'll ever have an infinite amount of data arriving at once. < 1294932583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yes but even if you have a finite amount you will always have space for it < 1294932630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you don't ever need to erase data, so the SSD write-cycle-durability thing shouldn't be an issue. < 1294932659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, and in the unlikely event that someone gives you a full HilbertFlashCard you can always copy it all to the SSD < 1294932673 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: you need a good data bus for this) < 1294932685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that too < 1294932696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, except hm you do need to move data, don't you? < 1294932706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I guess it remaps that < 1294932729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you restrict yourself to getting only finite amounts of data, you can always just append. < 1294932758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that seems like a rather arbitrary limitation < 1294932789 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, those realistic assumptions always seem so arbitrary < 1294932798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294932939 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect seek times would get ridiculous if you need to retrieve data at infinity though < 1294932948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, on an SSD? < 1294932958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, they don't have seek times < 1294932974 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do if they're infinite < 1294932994 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time for the address to get mapped to the correct location and the data to return < 1294932995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, besides there is no point infinity. Hilbert's hotel iirc deals with potential infinities < 1294933020 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an infinite amount of wiring needed there and the signal has to travel at the slow slow speed of light < 1294933037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hm true < 1294933044 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Pandora shipped. < 1294933048 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO THE WRONG ADDRESS. < 1294933052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mail forwarding, don't fail me now. < 1294933059 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know, but imagine retrieiving data from the following sequence of addresses: 2,4,8,16 etc. < 1294933059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, unless we just keep halving the size forever < 1294933066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, then it can fit into a finite space < 1294933081 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while each successive bit will take enormously long time to arrive < 1294933097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, in fact you can do that in two minute. Half it after 1 minute. Half it after another half minute, then 15 seconds, and so on < 1294933109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then after 2 minutes you fitted it all into an infinitely small disk < 1294933139 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely small? you mean infinitely fine-grained resolution? < 1294933158 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that works, but requires some creative manipulation of physics locally < 1294933172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well duh :P < 1294933229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I feel tempted to shout "Don't open that box!" < 1294933241 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, it's a poor name :P < 1294933265 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a pandora again? < 1294933281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux-based game system. < 1294933292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many games does it have? < 1294933298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I mean < 1294933305 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero, or thousands if you include emulators X-P < 1294933309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294933330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can it run bsnes? I bet pikhq will ask you about this anyway < 1294933337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm saving time by asking you now < 1294933344 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, it can emulate a PSX ... < 1294933355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you really want to run bsnes, you're a durp :P < 1294933363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, "durp"? < 1294933364 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1294933372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm that sounds rather impressive. What are the specs? And what about battery life < 1294933375 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asking what a durp is is such a durp question to ask. < 1294933380 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it like those super-awesome handheld gaming things they have on thinkgeek for hundreds of dollars? < 1294933397 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://openpandora.org/ < 1294933400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using google's "define:" I get "No definitions were found for durp." < 1294933473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, looks nice. Was it made with reprap? ;) < 1294933561 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1294933565 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got everything < 1294933568 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1294933578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, except a keyboard large enough to use < 1294933583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's 'cuz it's expensive :P < 1294933598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is it li-ion? < 1294933608 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a fucking handheld gaming platform. wtf do you want a keyboard for? < 1294933608 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donno :P < 1294933609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specwise the hardware is really close to my phone. (Which is also 600 MHz Cortex-A8 ARM + TI 64x DSP + PowerVR SGX530 GPU with a 800x480 touchscreen. Of course the phone's keyboard is really not-for-gaming.) < 1294933632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hm. chatting in minecraft or something ;) < 1294933684 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: work on your texting speed. you can type surprisingly fast with your thumbs with practice < 1294933724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, depends. Not like I text very often. < 1294933741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-5 SMS / week? Something like that < 1294933763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, also I fail to see how it would help with that gaming console < 1294933765 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i irc on my phone. i'm not as fast as keyboard yet, but working on it < 1294933774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a keypad is very different from a qwerty layout < 1294933781 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have to practice on the gaming console obviously < 1294933799 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhhhhh you don't have a qwerty keyboard on your phone < 1294933801 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1294933816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I use phones until they break :P < 1294933870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, besides if I can't use it with gloves on it isn't worth the money. And resistive touchscreens seem to be getting rare. < 1294933917 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you live in a place where you can't get by with thin gloves, don't you < 1294933938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, indeed. I use very thick ones when it is -20 C outside and blowing hard. And snowing. < 1294933947 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, my qwerty keyboard has actual buttons < 1294933951 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttons are nice < 1294933952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happened a few weeks ago. Had to use phone to check bus schedule < 1294933962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The physical keyboards don't tend to be large enough for gloveing either. < 1294933975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to just poke at the on-screen keyboard if it's too cold out there. < 1294933977 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: agreed. best to have fingerless mittens in that case < 1294933980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed. You can manage keypad if you are careful < 1294933990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, that is not really an option around here < 1294934015 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is an option anywhere! fingerless mittens are the greatest thing ever! < 1294934016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't get an iPhone, they blow up at <0 degrees C and Apple's warranty only covers use in 0-35 degrees C. (There was a case in Norway.) < 1294934030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1294934034 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect finger coverage when you need it, no hassles when you don't! < 1294934037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wouldn't get one anyway < 1294934070 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because droid >>>>>>>>>> iphone < 1294934089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yeah and maemo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> droid < 1294934098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maemo's pretty much dead now. :p < 1294934108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well meego then? < 1294934110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will see how it goes with MeeGo, right. < 1294934206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're setting up some sort of a "community firmware update" repository thing for Maemo, since you can't (easily) update packages that are classified as "system" packages from the normal community repositories, and there are quite a few bugfix-patches existing for the system packages too. < 1294934207 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is meego better than droid? what carriers does it work with? < 1294934234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole "what carriers does it work with?" thing is something I just never get. Around here the iPhone is the only thing that is ever carrier-locked. < 1294934234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, how would the carrier depend on the phone OS? < 1294934242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, that makes no sense < 1294934278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Welcome to the US. < 1294934279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you buy a phone. Then you buy a SIM card. Then you combine the two. < 1294934281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, stop calling it "droid" < 1294934287 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i judge a phone by the hardware first, the carrier second, and the OS third < 1294934303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well we have no clue since things are not generally carrier locked around here < 1294934312 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Vorpal refuses to understand how phones work in the US. It's not that he can't, he chooses not to. < 1294934316 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm referring to the motorola droid and droid 2. that's their official name. < 1294934333 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh, since Vorpal was comparing it to maemo I thought we were talking about Android :P < 1294934334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, ah I thought you meant "android" < 1294934380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, anyway if you want a specific phone look at n900 (maemo). Don't think meego is in any phone yet, but it is the successor to maemo < 1294934445 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Android rules :P < 1294934448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MeeGo is sort of a hybrid of Maemo and Intel's Moblin. (And I'm a bit doubtful as to how well it'll go.) < 1294934552 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the n900 looks roughly equivalent to the droid in terms of hardware < 1294934556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, too much java < 1294934564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maemo is more gtk (yay) < 1294934568 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not REAL Java X-P < 1294934570 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew gtk < 1294934578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, iirc meego is qt < 1294934579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1294934668 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY, Pandora. < 1294934668 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopin' I actually get mine. < 1294934683 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to write ZEE for it, but have no story/photo person >_> < 1294934702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, isn't zee js? < 1294934706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should work on there < 1294934730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I mean it was the possibility of the Pandora being a nice platform for it that led me to want a Pandora :P < 1294934739 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In part) < 1294934762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294934777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Eternally Stalled Project *sigh* < 1294934824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Android schmandroid: isn't it so that even on those supposedly "open" phones you have some sort of "jailbreaks"? < 1294934847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's a function of the manufacturers, not Android itself < 1294934864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also MeeGo is now Qt instead of GTK. < 1294934865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: On the actually "open" phones you don't, the ones that you have to "jailbreak" don't claim to be open. < 1294934879 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: However, unlike iPhone, you don't have to jailbreak to run custom software. < 1294934885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how many are open then < 1294934894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Only the "developer" ones. < 1294934911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i.e. ones bought directly via Google. < 1294934924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so in practise they are all closed? < 1294934944 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. But a closed Android phone is nowhere NEAR as restricted as a closed iPhone. It's not even a valid comparison. < 1294934962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, but it is closed compared to an n900! < 1294934973 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough *shrugs* < 1294934993 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how hard it is to root an android phone < 1294935000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, depends on the phone < 1294935002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the N900 is closed compared to openmoko. < 1294935005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, what about compiling a custom kernel? < 1294935007 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but developer phones are already rooted < 1294935021 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, developers effectively get root < 1294935029 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with non-developers, it varies < 1294935034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is not "how hard", it shouldn't be necessary at all. < 1294935044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1294935069 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294935070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you buy hardware it should be yours. And it should be up to you what you do with it < 1294935080 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true, but the apps that depend on rooting target a very small portion of the market, so they are unlikely to change that. < 1294935110 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: For the iPhone, it's basically Apple douchebaggery. For Android, it's mainly around preventing arbitrary /apps/ from getting root, and not giving random-idiot-user the idea that there is such a thing. < 1294935120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, oh right, they don't even come with a proper native userland. < 1294935157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N900 comes with an xterm in the app menu. < 1294935167 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the problem: Propose a solution that would allow developers to root without putting total morons in possible jeopardy (keep in mind that morons will click "yes" and put in their password for any reason) < 1294935168 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1294935196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, n900 seems to have managed without major issues < 1294935203 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: n900 has no users. < 1294935207 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it does have a unixy filesystem with all of the unixy programs you'd expect though. you can throw a shell on it right off and start doing unixy things. < 1294935213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, fizzie uses it < 1294935221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Like I said. < 1294935238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a nobody?! < 1294935250 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to average joe user, yes < 1294935259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seems like that nasty evil Gregor thinks so < 1294935261 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not a significant demographic < 1294935280 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You're not a USER, people who actually know how the OS works are 0.000000001% of the target market. < 1294935354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if computers were cars, almost no one would pass the driving test. < 1294935397 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Most people who use computers without full knowledge don't end up hitting someone with their computer and killing them. < 1294935421 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, quite, they end up sending a lot of spam < 1294935461 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, the vast majority of drivers in the US couldn't tell you what a transmission is. < 1294935465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294935483 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving a car doesn't require you to know how to do an oil change, as sad as that sounds. there are people you can pay to do it for you < 1294935492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maemo forums are full of real users. (Complaining about Nokia selling them this confusing... thing.) < 1294935493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you mean not tell how it works, or do you mean how to use it? < 1294935528 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean if you said "Does your car have a transmission?", they would say "Durrr, what's that?" < 1294935543 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if vast majority would say that < 1294935554 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a good number of folks with automatics would < 1294935564 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people with sticks probably have some idea < 1294935564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Which is ... everyone in the US :P < 1294935568 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, but uh, do they not know how to change gear? < 1294935600 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see previously line about automatic transmission < 1294935600 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Manual gearshifts are a slim minority of power-users and mocked sports-car-morons in the US. < 1294935606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least here the driving exam is on manual transmission < 1294935618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck you hardly ever see automatic transmission around < 1294935623 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, now it seems like everything's going to CVTs...wonder how long it will be < 1294935626 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why is that "at least"? I don't know how to drive a manual, that doesn't make me a bad driver. < 1294935654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, at least as in "at least in this part of Europe, but I don't know about other parts of it" < 1294935700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I fail to see where I implied automatic is bad (except it is less fuel efficient iirc) < 1294935728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, CVT? < 1294935736 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at least" -> "to suggest that you have to be at least a little bit competent," :P < 1294935755 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: you know. those things without discrete "gears". < 1294935759 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1294935768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, at least = anyway < 1294935778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, says google. It can have many meanings. < 1294935790 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-P < 1294935796 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf, i did read it gregor's way at first < 1294935816 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a very ambiguous phrase < 1294935821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hm that CVT interesting. How does that work internally I wonder. < 1294935829 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: MAGIC. < 1294935833 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see howstuffworks article < 1294935842 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it explains 3 or 4 different types of CVT < 1294935847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I was actually checking wikipedia < 1294935890 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :National Hat Day (USA) is January 15th < 1294935892 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss. < 1294935929 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that everything that doesn't need immense amounts of torque and speed simultaneously will eventually be on CVTs in the next half-century or so. They seem much more fuel-efficient than "modern" transmissions < 1294935944 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1294935953 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh goody. i have just the hat. < 1294935996 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCUSSION INSUFFICIENT :P < 1294936055 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding the number which nobody noticed between three and four: I have managed to take a solved rubicks cube and twist it into an unsolvable state < 1294936055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hm indeed. I suppose you can manually override them for when the road conditions need different gear? Or I guess computers can detect such nowdays < 1294936132 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, ... what < 1294936132 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. automatic traction control < 1294936143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I presume most cars have that? < 1294936150 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1294936151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is likely to be needed quite often < 1294936164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, then certainly people will know what transmission is < 1294936170 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less often than you'd think around here. this weather is the exception, not the rule < 1294936183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I'm sure there are parts of US where that is not the case < 1294936205 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even here in Indiana where it snows all winter, the roads are plowed well enough that you never need to even use chains. < 1294936206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alaska comes to mind. But even in northen mainland US... < 1294936243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, plowing doesn't help when you get rain which freezes as it hits the ground. < 1294936248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last winter I drove an automatic Toyota Echo from Oregon to Indiana and never had to set the gear manually X-P < 1294936254 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Salting does. < 1294936305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, only when it doesn't get cold very quickly after. This happened last week or so here. Dropped from -1 C with rain to -20 C in a few hours (rain stopped when it went below -3 C or so) < 1294936315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no time to pour salt on every small street < 1294936328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sand helps to some degree < 1294936341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and salt doesn't work when it is really cold < 1294936376 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you've just reduced the affected population of the US to near-zero. < 1294936388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I can't say that sort of weather is common here < 1294936406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this winter and the one before have been extreme < 1294936422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The six people in Minnesota who have experienced such weather were simply snowed in :P < 1294936442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about Alaska? < 1294936452 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They fly or walk, driving is much less common there. < 1294936480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The southern part of Alaska is more temperate, and the rest isn't accessible by road. < 1294936532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294936608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I guess they could use snowmobiles or similar. They are popular in the extreme northern parts of Sweden < 1294936610 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although yes, I'm sure that those who drive know damn well how to drive a manual :P < 1294936657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know how to drive an automatic. Manual I know. < 1294936676 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's possible to not know how to drive an automatic. You could learn in thirty seconds. < 1294936690 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: a lot of people in AK don't drive all winter i hear. that's what their bushplanes are for :P < 1294936725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P < 1294936747 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you live in Alaska, you have one. (OK, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but not as much of one as you think) < 1294936752 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an AK resident is a lot more complex than a driver's license too < 1294936786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how many pedals do you have in an automatic? The usual three? < 1294936794 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P being an AK resident is a lot more complex than a driver's license too < 1294936796 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everyone in AK are close friends with each other anyway. hell, they can see russia from their front porch :P < 1294936798 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No clutch. < 1294936825 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :266) vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P being an AK resident is a lot more complex than a driver's license too < 1294936828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how do you prevent rolling backwards if you are starting uphill then? < 1294936870 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's what your fancy automatic transmission is for. < 1294936877 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it just doesn't happen < 1294936900 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idling speed gives you a little bit of forward momentum all the time < 1294936904 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's always engaged < 1294936931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, so what if you want to stand still, say, waiting for traffic to pass before crossing a major road? Brake down? < 1294936936 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1294936944 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep the brake down or put it in neutral < 1294936945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or put it in park if you're there for very long. < 1294936961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, sounds like it would take more time to start driving from that < 1294936974 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1294936987 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to shift first < 1294936994 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just move your foot to the other pedal... < 1294936999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, nor would you with a manual transmission < 1294937025 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: All you have to do is LIFT your foot from the brake to start moving forward. < 1294937026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would just release the clutch more than the equilibrium point. Since you would be in the first gear < 1294937035 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well < 1294937043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm true. About the same then < 1294937045 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have to do a lot of work to get up to speed after that < 1294937055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, with manual? Not really. < 1294937062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it comes naturally after all < 1294937068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you learnt it < 1294937081 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does the automatic...naturally as in...you don't do anything :P < 1294937094 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still. CVTs. way of the future. < 1294937105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yes they sound interesting indeed. < 1294937424 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, question: would you rather have to start a process by pressing 5 buttons in quick succession and then walking away, or by pressing two buttons with a wait of approximately one second in between them. total time is about the same, but in the first case you have to do more work and in the second you have to stand there and do nothing for a whole second. < 1294937457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I would prefer the one that worked on road conditions around here :P < 1294937480 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, this is the coice i have for setting my microwave to 1:30 < 1294937486 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it runs on no roads around there) < 1294937512 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well then, that depends on that operation. I guess I would prefer the one I could run netbsd on < 1294937631 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're creating differences between the two operations that aren't there. this is just two different ways to do the same operation on the same microwave. the only difference is the one i gave and there are no other differences. < 1294937676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I would probably choose randomly between them each time. And also wonder what the point of two ways on the same product was < 1294937704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I would realise it was Perl, not Python < 1294937814 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol < 1294937828 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this somehow moved me this morning: http://everything2.com/user/Wolfeh42/writeups/January+13%252C+2011 < 1294938087 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294938218 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek Table of Elementa is very mixed up. < 1294938286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hm how can you engine brake with automatic? Sure a bit would work but you couldn't control it very well. < 1294938371 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Automatic has gears other than "drive", they're not commonly used though. Basically if you put it in first gear, then the engine will clutch and change gears for you when possible. < 1294938386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Engine breaking" is a technique not commonly known in the US though, I suspect. < 1294938412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, here you won't pass driving test if you can't do it nowdays. Because it saves fuel to use it. < 1294938460 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It saves fuel on a manual, on an automatic you'll automatically shift down if you brake and slow down anyway. < 1294938496 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also saves on brake pads though :P < 1294938523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, if you brake you will surely still engange the brake pads. Which means less fuel saving since more energy gets lost as heat. Simple physics. < 1294938540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, MC now has two kinds of wood. < 1294938545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually quite cool. < 1294938548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, update out? < 1294938550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294938551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294938578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a bug, but then I tried cutting it down. < 1294938599 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not arguing that the fuel savings are the SAME, I'm arguing that it's more of a deal for manual than for automatic. < 1294938607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1294938619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, screenshot? I'm using the alternative launcher thingy so I don't need to update to login. < 1294938645 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i engine break when i need to, on steep winding rodes < 1294938651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly the way gregor describes < 1294938659 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1294938662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'm going to upgrade until ineiros update. And that probably means waiting for bukkit (horrible name), since hmod will be dropped < 1294938662 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*engine brake < 1294938663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, http://imgur.com/TgHcQ < 1294938665 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's got me doing it now < 1294938677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to look for reeds. < 1294938686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh, looks like birch? < 1294938686 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, to drive an automatic: Forget everything you ever learned about shifting. If you want to go forward, put it in "D". If you want to go backwards, put it in "R". If you want to park, put it in "P". If you don't want to move or want to slow down, use the brake. That is literally everything there is that is necessary to drive an automatic. < 1294938693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or whatever the English word is < 1294938693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yeah. < 1294938697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :björk in Swedish < 1294938714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I guess painterly is broken now? < 1294938724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, haven't tried it. < 1294938726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1294938734 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: don't forget overdrive < 1294938739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, and if you want to drive in bad winter conditions? < 1294938745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Why? Most people do. < 1294938746 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I can see a very tall tree with all of the leaves bunched up at the top in a snowy biome. < 1294938754 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to put overdrive on above 45mph to keep the engine from winding up way too high < 1294938755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then you put on chains and suffer. < 1294938766 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ... you turn overdrive /off/? < 1294938775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, chains? You mean winter wheels with steel studs < 1294938781 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubbdäck in Swedish < 1294938784 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: below 45mph to keep the engine from running too slow < 1294938788 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I mean chains. < 1294938802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You're a poor excuse for an automatic driver X-P < 1294938813 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that OD on my van is a separate gear and not a button on the shifter < 1294938814 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you don't use studded wheels? < 1294938842 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :studded wheels? < 1294938845 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those? < 1294938845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not typically. I have a set of chains for the rare occasion that I need more winter traction (read: never), it would be a huge waste to have winter wheels. < 1294938849 0 :Zuu_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zuu < 1294938849 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are surely a myth < 1294938865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not around here < 1294938870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people have them < 1294938880 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In most locales in the US they're wildly illegal. < 1294938908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, NOT IN ALASKA I BET ;P < 1294938928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DURPADURP! < 1294938940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, http://imgur.com/Jmvfm < 1294938946 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Last I checked, the vast majority of the US is MORE TEMPERATE than Swedeland! SHOCKA < 1294938957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably meant to be a conifer. < 1294938958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, they are only legal during winter here. And during winter you have to use them (or non-studded snow tires) to be legal < 1294938964 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUMANZZZZZZzzzzz < 1294938977 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots death rays out of his empty eyesockets < 1294938980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nice < 1294938983 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can't use chains at all, or they're just not even something done there? < 1294939014 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, rarely used. Legal if conditions warrants it iirc < 1294939021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very rare < 1294939055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, but iirc you have to stop and take them off if you get onto a road that don't need them. Which make them inconvenient for most drivers. < 1294939086 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to taking them off at full speed? i can see how that saves time < 1294939092 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Both chains and studded tires beat the hell out of dry roads. < 1294939093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, :P < 1294939102 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1294939112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well yes. But you will have a hard time finding dry roads here this time of the year. < 1294939126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, anyway they save lives compared to non-studded winter tires. < 1294939137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So do chains :P < 1294939154 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, true. Still they are not very common. < 1294939218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also limits speed more iirc < 1294939325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, FWIW, the normal and birch wood don't actually stack on each other. < 1294939330 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Again, Sweden vs. USA. We don't swap our actual /tires/ because the need for added traction is only warranted some tiny amount of the time, and in some tiny amount of roads. The vast majority of roads are either plowed and drivable with any ol' all-weather tire, or completely snowed over and not drivable no matter how good your tire augmentation is (i.e. snowmobilable), with the latter being a very small set. < 1294939342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well seems reasonable < 1294939376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also both refine to normal planks. < 1294939377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, plowing doesn't perfectly clean a road however. < 1294939384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, okay that makes less sense < 1294939402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about other crafting from them? < 1294939408 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is there some?) < 1294939420 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None that I know of, although I didn't really bother experimenting. < 1294939441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Reeds magically turned into sugar canes. They still make paper." < 1294939442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1294939447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sad < 1294939454 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to make cake < 1294939462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Birch makes better root beer (birch beer) than conventional Sarsparilla/Sassafras (or artificial imitations thereof), but noooo, birch beer is hard to find. < 1294939464 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, he could add a separate ones < 1294939465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one* < 1294939478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a studded tire, there may only be up to 50 studs per metre (of circumference), and the maximum extent out of the tire surface is 1.2 mm. (Was trying to find out the state of winter tireage in Finland.) < 1294939481 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that they're weird Minecraft canes. < 1294939490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1294939510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* One secret useful block" <-- mhm < 1294939511 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: birch beer is deliciouuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssssssss < 1294939526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Paintings work in multiplayer" <--- yay finally < 1294939527 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I KNOW RIGHT < 1294939537 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that company that makes all those fruit sodas? < 1294939550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :December, January and Feburary are the obligatory winter-tire months here. < 1294939551 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made a birch one once and i've NEVER SEEN IT AGAIN SINCE. < 1294939552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Fixed colors going weird on PowerPC" <-- how did that happen < 1294939566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch quality engineering, that's how! < 1294939585 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bet: endianness. < 1294939587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Fixed most lighting bugs in newly generated SMP maps" <--- newly generated. Right. Well I guess it is better than making the server load everything on next start. < 1294939589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elliott comes in I am just going to tell him the changes were "there's cake and also two new types of tree." < 1294939595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could fix it on the fly maybe < 1294939610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the cake is a lie surely? < 1294939615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oho, reeds! < 1294939623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, screenshot? < 1294939641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look exactly the same. < 1294939645 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They craft into sugar. < 1294939648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1294939762 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Re hMod, he just said that it will be dropped when bukkit is ready; my guess is it might still get a Beta 1.2 update. (Unless you've seen something further on it.) < 1294939773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are, after all, >1 contributor to the hMod repo.) < 1294939789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should have kept a reed handy to start a farm to try to craft cake. < 1294939845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I saw that it wouldn't be upgraded < 1294939848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make cake ... out of reeds? < 1294939850 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yummy. < 1294939863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not official however < 1294939902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I saw was the hMod thread, which still states "Bukkit will be superseding hMod. Once Bukkit is ready, hMod will no longer be updated. I no longer have an interest in Minecraft, so this change is for the best." .. and I think Bukkit is quite far from being ready. < 1294939924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say that I think this update is the best since Halloween. < 1294939929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually adds things. < 1294939948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A water mob! Dyes! Cake! < 1294939985 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black sheep! < 1294940030 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1294940037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have ever milked a cow in MC; I didn't even know they were milkable. < 1294940037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently flowers craft to dye now. < 1294940074 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What else is milkable? < 1294940088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logically, all mammals should be, but I'm betting that's not the case! < 1294940095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably nothing else. < 1294940105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sips from his tall glass of pig's milk. < 1294940109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheep are shearable, cows are milkable, pigs are ridable. < 1294940118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The right tool.. er, animal, for the right job. < 1294940141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And chickens are... a nuisance? < 1294940149 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you not kick them? < 1294940159 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU KICK THEM, DO THEY NOT BLEED? < 1294940169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that's not a chicken-specific act, you can kick the other animals too. < 1294940177 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1294940182 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like chickens should fly farther though < 1294940183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they're a source of feathers. < 1294940185 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And eggs. < 1294940222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but you can't do a thing to them. < 1294940238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, eggs are now used in cake. < 1294940266 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you bake them? < 1294940276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fry them? < 1294940278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep-fry them? < 1294940315 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep-deep-deep-deep-deep-deep-fry them. < 1294940358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, I mean, you can't do a chicken-specific act that would result a chicken dropping an egg; there's nothing you can do by right-clicking them. < 1294940384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shallow-fried chicken, for those who want the insides to be raw. < 1294940426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well can you at LEAST bugger 'em? < 1294940468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They < 1294940474 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'re not hedgehogs, so I'd *guess*. < 1294940518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In-game I mean < 1294940520 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also octopodes now. < 1294940531 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OCTOPODES, NO! < 1294940542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They drop ink sacs when they die, so I assume they're another source of dye. < 1294940544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And the Minepedia already has pages "Octopus", "Octopi" and "Squid" for it. < 1294940565 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, where else do you get dye from? < 1294940568 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the plural is "octopodes"! < 1294940584 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://spamusers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13217&start=100#p251044 < 1294940587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crafting flowers or killing octopodes. < 1294940651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Inflections: Plural octopuses, octopi, (rare) octopodes" < 1294940655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a rare fellow. < 1294940752 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that say about platypus? < 1294940787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Inflections: Plural platypuses, platypi, (rare) platypusses, (rare) platypodes." < 1294940791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where that == OED. < 1294940806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I do like the fact that the pretentious-but-not-actually-correct version is the accepted plural. < 1294940838 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the relevant part is being pretentious, not being correct < 1294940840 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i'll keep my platypoda anyway < 1294940843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They don't list "octopussies" as a valid plural, however. < 1294940862 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep my PLÖTSPLÄTS anyway. < 1294940880 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: octopussies is the only accepted plural of octopussy < 1294940906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLATYPODES, NO! < 1294940959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, beta 1.2 unsuprisingly breaks mcmap. < 1294940964 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Platypode, I choose you! < 1294941079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I added a player list to the client as a gui hack. But then I realized it just listed players in range, not everyone." "So that's a revert. Next update!" < 1294941093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if in next update it's going to send other-player coordinates too, or just their names. < 1294941131 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294941189 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alternative launcher works perfectly < 1294941198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what alternative launcher < 1294941203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:31:49 My dad accidentally threw out the melatonin < 1294941204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:00 I was planning on sleeping tonight < 1294941205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. accidentally. < 1294941207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the one that asks about updating < 1294941212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1294941224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since there was an update a few hours ago < 1294941235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creates .minecraft/launcher < 1294941296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294941318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm planning on making my Minecraft the most ridiculously CPU and GPU-intensive program ever. < 1294941322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecrysis. < 1294941356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294941423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Specifically, I am going to use an HD texture pack (probably Aza's), run on far/fancy, have Better Light installed, and use that arbitrary-GLSL-shader module, with the modified Depth of Field shader (and possibly the Even Better Light one the author showed, if it's released and I can get them to merge; it basically did full lighting, including redstone torch lighing being red, with shaders; beautiful screenshot). < 1294941433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well new blocks so if you update you need to use the standard texture pack for now < 1294941437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or things will look weird < 1294941449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. But it's the principle. < 1294941466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll look ridiculously good. < 1294941474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* One secret useful block < 1294941474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* One secret pretty block < 1294941480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go away, Notch. We can see your textures. < 1294941504 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe you could use some sort of a custom vertex/geometry shader/mod that'd also smooth the block edges so that the terrain wouldn't be so blocky! < 1294941509 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all that just to make it like a pre-1995 game? < 1294941521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: It... does not really look pre-1995 like that. < 1294941536 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way does it look pre 1995 then? < 1294941543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ever? < 1294941556 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ever" is not a way < 1294941560 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a time specifier :p < 1294941567 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not in any way" < 1294941573 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1294941584 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor wins the spelling bee prize!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1294941594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so going to use the alternative launcher and play on the server? < 1294941612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, the server will probably go vanilla soon. < 1294941619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well until then < 1294941626 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: OH BOY IM GONNA USE IT TOO BYE ALOT OF CANDY < 1294941629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depth of field example: http://img337.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20110107at111.jpg/ < 1294941631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with aza's texture pack < 1294941634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: pre-1995 eh? < 1294941649 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i bet it could run on this: http://benheck.com/04-05-2009/commodore-64-original-hardware-laptop < 1294941656 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1294941657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh go away < 1294941672 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1294941675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: here's the really cool (and afaik unreleased) one, shader light: http://img443.imageshack.us/f/screenshot20110108at101.png/ < 1294941679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks amazing < 1294941691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : depth of field example: http://img337.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20110107at111.jpg/ <-- this reminds me of those clay-animation games somehow. < 1294941706 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the polycount is the giveaway < 1294941707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it looks like it is made out of cardboard boxes and so on. < 1294941711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ha < 1294941714 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there were DOF mods for unreal 1 engine < 1294941718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: who cares < 1294941721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks pretty < 1294941721 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was pre-1995! < 1294941725 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying :p < 1294941729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :games in 1995 did not look like that, in general. < 1294941741 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unreal's lighting was very good < 1294941747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, new MC things! < 1294941752 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE TYPES OF TREE! < 1294941754 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it had dynamic lighting < 1294941755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean it really looks like someone made a miniature set and took photos in it. The other one is nice < 1294941757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first Unreal game was released in 1998. < 1294941769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the depth of field is a bit extreme, i'd tweak it a bit < 1294941769 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the first tech demo was leaked in 94 < 1294941771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, mipmapping, to stop the ugly warping when playing on far: http://img443.imageshack.us/f/screenshot20110108at101.png/ < 1294941785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: e.g. look at the stairs on far, look around, notice it warbling < 1294941788 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have you seen those photos of real life that are minified? :D < 1294941790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, isn't there anisotropic filtering or whatever to do that? < 1294941795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=128995 < 1294941801 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use like a really long exposure and a moving lens :D < 1294941808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: btw, mipmapping, to stop the ugly warping when playing on far: http://img443.imageshack.us/f/screenshot20110108at101.png/ <-- that is the light pic < 1294941812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that'll give you the same problems as anti-aliasing < 1294941813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1294941816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=128995 < 1294941818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Descent 1 doesn't quite qualify "pre-1995", since it came out in 1995. (But it had some coloured lights, IIRC.) < 1294941818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the screenshot there :P < 1294941838 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tilt-shift < 1294941871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well sure. I doubt my CPU could handle it < 1294941874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my GPU maybe < 1294941880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: err. it's likely to cause less load < 1294941887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: all it does is use less pixels the further away the texture is < 1294941888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well mipmapping yes < 1294941892 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant the other ones < 1294941894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1294941925 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: causes it to use multitexturing though < 1294941927 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blending < 1294941933 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it again slower < 1294941943 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using less pixels just lowers the necessary bandwidth < 1294941970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have AGP 8x :P < 1294941977 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have EISA < 1294941979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, there are now octopodes. < 1294941982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well I doubt that will matter) < 1294941986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1294941997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, um, what are the new tree types. < 1294942007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, birch tree is one iirc < 1294942013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knee-jerk "I don't like it" at this point. < 1294942020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is the Tree of Knowledge. < 1294942021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why is that < 1294942027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birch and a single sighting of a conifer-shaped one in a snowy biome. < 1294942027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1294942030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover said best update since halloween < 1294942031 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, dyes. < 1294942036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A bunch of new crafting recipes" Oh joy. < 1294942046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, because it did something *other* than breaking everything. < 1294942060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, who knows. Might have broken stuff. < 1294942069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Bonemeal what < 1294942097 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img689.imageshack.us/i/minecraftmip.png/ < 1294942100 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this actually looks cool < 1294942107 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if they added per pixel lighting to the whole thing < 1294942125 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and volumetric shadows < 1294942126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Better Light does ambient occlusion. < 1294942149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Some Minepedia file-uploader seems to think the trees are aspens. (Which sounds rather unlikely.) < 1294942166 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cool < 1294942166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, nah, go for FPGA-based real-time raytracing! < 1294942177 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: speaking of fpgas, i am slowly learning < 1294942186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is all actually interesting. < 1294942186 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: soon, i'll be simulating neurons in fpga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. < 1294942194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00, oh and? < 1294942205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. i doubt. < 1294942208 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, i'll upload myself! < 1294942211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so I need three buckets of milk and some wheat. < 1294942228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what is the cake good for? < 1294942234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For eating? < 1294942237 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, does it stack at least? < 1294942253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cake is absolutely useless AFAIK, but I'm going to make some anyway. < 1294942253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edible items don't tend to stack. < 1294942307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It does heal 1.5 hears "every use, and you can use it 6 times". < 1294942311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seems like paintings were fixed in SMP. So some good news. < 1294942313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Minepedia, anyway. < 1294942318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hears/hearts/ < 1294942328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1294942360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should try and put optimine into that big hodge-podge of mods I'm installing. < 1294942365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might, you know, make this actually feasible. < 1294942385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimine? < 1294942414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly what it says on the tin. < 1294942420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAWNIN' NEXT TO CLAY OH YEAH < 1294942467 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "octopodes" is correct and "octopi" is incorrect. < 1294942521 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1294942525 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: octopusses < 1294942542 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I don't think so. < 1294942550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what. < 1294942557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monster spawners work in daylight, right? < 1294942558 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from greek < 1294942564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octononions. < 1294942569 0 :Oklopol!~oklopol@87-93-140-25.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1294942571 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them are an octopair, three are an octet, five are an quintopus, seven are a septopode < 1294942575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1294942580 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octopodes if you're pretentious, octopi if you're pretentious and clueless, and octopusses if you can't be bothered < 1294942581 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But octonions is different. < 1294942584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklopuses. < 1294942599 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a mishmash of greek and latin < 1294942616 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and old english < 1294942618 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Octopuses" is the most common plural, they say. < 1294942620 0 :Oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1294942624 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1294942624 0 :Oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1294942627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do monster spawners require a certain area around them? < 1294942656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopods. < 1294942682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could quote the OED entry in whole, since I still have the tab open: "The plural form octopodes reflects the Greek plural; compare octopod n. The more frequent plural form octopi arises from apprehension of the final -us of the word as the grammatical ending of Latin second declension nouns; this apprehension is also reflected in compounds in octop-: see e.g. octopean adj., octopic adj., octopine adj., etc." < 1294942756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS. MONSTER SPAWNERS < 1294942763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work in daylight don't they < 1294942783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octopi = 25.132741... < 1294942788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha! < 1294942796 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the pluralization tables of Plain TeXnicard, it will make "octopuses" which the reference which I took the data from, says is correct, but it also says "octopodes" is correct. I selected the Anglicise plurals to make the rule lists simpler. < 1294942808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure. < 1294942821 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't work above a certain light level, do they? < 1294942829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont < 1294942832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*' < 1294942851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though placing torches around the spawner or otherwise lighting the area will prevent monsters from spawning, the only sure way to prevent a Monster Spawner block from spawning monsters is to destroy it. < 1294942856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In rare cases where the dungeon is located near the surface, the player can remove the ceiling of the dungeon and expose the Monster Spawner and surrounding area to direct sunlight, preventing monster spawns during the day [1]. < 1294942857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1294942860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ticking timebomb < 1294942863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i will destroy it < 1294942867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just skeletons < 1294942871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skeletons aren't very useful are the < 1294942872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1294942880 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good source of bone. < 1294942885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And BONE MEALS. < 1294942889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latest McMeal. < 1294942891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put stuff around it, probably it can't do much? < 1294942891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that < 1294942895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: scared dammit scared < 1294942897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the first night < 1294942919 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Meh meh meh I'm afraid of the walking dead oh woe is me durp durp < 1294942926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just a few layers of dirt, takes just a couple seconds and you'll have your own monster spawner for later < 1294942937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294942939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A-YUP < 1294942946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, I have: < 1294942948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clay < 1294942950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skeletons drop arrows < 1294942950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 iron ingots (thanks chest) < 1294942952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :String < 1294942954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food of various sorts < 1294942954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1294942955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saddles < 1294942959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sulphur < 1294942966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... woo, now fuck, it's gonna be nigth soon and I have no house < 1294942983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That birch tree is hideous. < 1294943003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by 6 iron ingots DO YOU MEAN 6 STACKS OR 6 BIG BOXES < 1294943009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEAN 6 < 1294943025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i have like 10 boxes in my base..................... < 1294943028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck < 1294943041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1294943044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by having played one night < 1294943053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean having played one stack of nights or a big box of nights < 1294943067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294943069 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Or bix box of night-blocks crafted out of 9 nights? < 1294943073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean this is the first day < 1294943078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294943083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey what should i build my house out of, SAND? lololololol < 1294943109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Build it out of Lapis Lazuli, the "misterious Ore/Block added in Minecraft Beta 1.2 .The only known use is for make the Blue Dye" < 1294943116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could craft some emos out of night blocks < 1294943117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Punctuation as in the source.) < 1294943118 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would you be inside it? < 1294943119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool houses are built of pure obsidian. < 1294943125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make them guard you < 1294943128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read "lapis lazuli" yesterday... Baader-Meinhof. < 1294943135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The ICE HOUSE is the coolest house. < 1294943136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do you play MC, or do you just know things X-P < 1294943142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: MAGIC < 1294943150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm talkin' REAL LIFE, bitch! < 1294943153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you can get under-beach caverns, touching one bit of the roof destroys it all :D < 1294943157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well, makes it all fall < 1294943171 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w'w < 1294943182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1294943202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? that was like the only reason to have finite height world < 1294943205 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1294943207 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering < 1294943215 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone ever do a computer in minecraft? < 1294943218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sand can be realistic without the coder having a brain < 1294943221 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it seems to have logical gates < 1294943231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: yes, even i know that < 1294943239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what should i do with my 6 iron ingots < 1294943243 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a link? < 1294943249 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott : Bukkits < 1294943252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait till you have more, iron blocks are sexy < 1294943265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: google minecraft cpu < 1294943271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not like, armour? :P < 1294943275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the iron block house. < 1294943277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope! < 1294943378 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1294943397 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So that DOF shader, does it "focus" on the distance the crosshair is on? < 1294943397 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Armors wore off, elliott < 1294943403 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But bukkits are forever < 1294943407 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or until you die in lava < 1294943417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Or until you use the bukkit as furnace fuel. < 1294943418 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-183.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294943419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1294943424 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you do thaty < 1294943428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The screenshot is from a modified version later in the thread. < 1294943430 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you have infinite wood < 1294943437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's getting dark, and my house isn't even vaguely done :( < 1294943440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the first layer < 1294943441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the sea, but < 1294943443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to die < 1294943448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lose all my amazing first-day possessions < 1294943479 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's just first day, it doesn't matter much < 1294943506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I have a ton of clay, 6 iron ingots, a decent bit of wheat, bread, two saddles, 8 string, and wood. < 1294943519 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a good first day < 1294943524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hello. < 1294943526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dungeon' < 1294943528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a good first day that makes me NOT WANT TO DIE < 1294943529 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lucky if I find coal < 1294943535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, but I got the clay and wood from spawn < 1294943544 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294943545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, why are you building in the sea? < 1294943556 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is Spongebob Squarepants < 1294943559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to < 1294943561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it < 1294943563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first house will be a tower < 1294943625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to craft all night < 1294943628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though < 1294943633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i make a pick, sword, armour, or what with my ingots < 1294943634 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1294943636 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine < 1294943643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: on top of a tower? < 1294943648 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1294943651 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inside! < 1294943654 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a tower < 1294943656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i built the tower. < 1294943658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of clay. < 1294943659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 1x1. < 1294943660 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually < 1294943664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot actually mine :P < 1294943670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me what to do with my ingots < 1294943670 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not really a tower < 1294943671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal < 1294943680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: keeps me away from creepers < 1294943681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you already < 1294943681 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1294943685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do nothing < 1294943688 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ? < 1294943690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope they don't blow up my fucking clay :D < 1294943694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: first night, i have 6 iron ingots < 1294943699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what should i do with them < 1294943705 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picks go away pretty quickly < 1294943708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 wood < 1294943709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, switch to peaceful < 1294943712 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So usually stone is better for that < 1294943712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah pick isn't worth it < 1294943713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. < 1294943721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: i have no stone tonight :D < 1294943723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, whatever you feel is best then < 1294943726 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Armor might help, but I ouldn't do it on the first day < 1294943733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Craft: iron HOE + iron SHOVEL. < 1294943736 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott : Wood pick, mine some stone, make stone pick < 1294943738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most important tools evar. < 1294943740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: USEFUL < 1294943745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably sword then armor? < 1294943746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: CAN'T MINE STONE ON THE FIRST NIGHT < 1294943748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M ON TOP OF A TOWER < 1294943759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shovel is much more useful than axe imo < 1294943764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sword is top priority, but is an iron sword worth it? < 1294943764 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-19-45.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1294943769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and axe uses much more < 1294943785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can't really do armour AND anything else < 1294943790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boots would leave me with only 2 iron! < 1294943791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, no, no, wait: six, you say? You can make a minecart! (And then one shovel.) < 1294943795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, the enemies will be too afraid to come close < 1294943799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OH MAN. < 1294943803 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott : Wait for morning < 1294943811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: there will be lots of monsters below < 1294943816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to be equipped to fight them < 1294943821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stone sword doesn't sound "equipped" to me < 1294943823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1294943824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even stone < 1294943824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wood < 1294943828 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess sword then < 1294943830 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or armor < 1294943836 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or FLEE < 1294943841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, i could only make one piece of armour < 1294943847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: What's the recipe for an iron flee? < 1294943847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hard to flee when i'm dismantling my house < 1294943861 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't dismantle it < 1294943869 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's one block tall, just walk < 1294943884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: It is not ... < 1294943886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also make 16 minecart tracks and make a rectangular loop, then repeatedly run it. < 1294943891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: It is about 40 blocks of clay tall. < 1294943898 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of clay < 1294943905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRECISELY < 1294943907 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you far from your spawn point? < 1294943922 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, you could < 1294943926 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jump from it < 1294943928 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1294943930 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locate it because it is tall < 1294943935 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And get your stuff back < 1294943940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would jump into nice, relaxing, non-dying sea. < 1294943946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I suppose I could. < 1294943966 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really a game for fighting monster, really < 1294943969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonetheless: what do I do with my 6 iron that will help me best on the first night? I'm leaning t'words sword at this point. < 1294943971 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially on the first night D: < 1294943974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iron sword should kill off enemies pretty quickly. < 1294943981 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but < 1294943982 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creepers < 1294943987 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creepers will fuck you up < 1294943991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just whack 'em with the sword. Duh. < 1294943998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Eh, if you have full armour and a good sword you can stay outside all night. < 1294944018 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1294944054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"void main() is not legal in C++ but is legal in C." Whoa. < 1294944065 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which prolly won't happen at night < 1294944069 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1294944071 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First night < 1294944088 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lucky if I can find coal on the first night < 1294944143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Vorpal: fizzie: Behold, the PERMA-LITE: http://i.imgur.com/Jghek.png < 1294944156 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's happening?? < 1294944163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Bugs! < 1294944219 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, MC has added lapis lazuli. < 1294944230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1294944247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does essentially nothing, other than dying things blue. < 1294944271 0 :Oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1294944296 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1294944299 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can < 1294944306 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a colorful fortress of doom < 1294944312 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delightful wallpaper < 1294944322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I also have cactus. < 1294944328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so now you can have your bluestone? *ducks* < 1294944331 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cactus are useless, though < 1294944352 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can actually be useful in mob traps. < 1294944356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Vorpal: fizzie: Behold, the PERMA-LITE: http://i.imgur.com/Jghek.png <-- what < 1294944363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just accidentally made an iron pickaxe :P < 1294944385 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it will be useful if you encounter some redstone or diamond < 1294944388 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you WON'T < 1294944396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Notch can't code. < 1294944415 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that why everything is made of < 1294944417 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one polygon < 1294944440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, sandstone has been added! < 1294944454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make a house in the style of Edinburgh's New Town! < 1294944494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pickaxe, sword, and axe. Guess I'm set for day. < 1294944498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is it craftable from sand and stone? < 1294944512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just four sand. < 1294944521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no he will add lanterns further on < 1294944524 0 :Oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sandstone do < 1294944544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creeper circling my precious clay house. < 1294944546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ha ha ha. < 1294944556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I'm sure we can get a kit :P < 1294944569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaaaah, that doesn't help SSP. < 1294944580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lanterns are planned crafted objects which were originally planned to be introduced in the Halloween Update. This feature was delayed because of the lack of time and will be implemented in a future update." < 1294944581 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true but I have large stocks there < 1294944586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easier than fucking music blocks, Notch. < 1294944602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, less nice than those though < 1294944613 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what is the new useful block? < 1294944618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Music blocks? Do you bounce off of them? < 1294944622 0 :Oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, what is special about a lantern? < 1294944625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You PLAY them! < 1294944627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklopol: torches will go out < 1294944629 0 :Oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't he just copy paste the code from torches? < 1294944631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and need flintn'steel to relight < 1294944632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1294944632 0 :Oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1294944633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1294944634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294944635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could < 1294944636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's a mron < 1294944638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a moorn < 1294944641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a mrornr < 1294944643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there is no reuse of any line of code < 1294944647 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Mario is shaking his head in shame. < 1294944658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he writes the 3d rendering code for each block individually! < 1294944658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should still be trivial to add lanterns... < 1294944681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, then makes texture files by taking screenshots so that it looks like he's not a retard < 1294944714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, but y'see, maybe he was worried about there not being enough time to playtest it for balance problems. < 1294944781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294944782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *is* a pretty big change to the game dynamics. < 1294944783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz he does that < 1294944784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the time < 1294944793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, mining becomes quite a bit harder. < 1294944831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more funnnnn < 1294944832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais is not here :( < 1294944874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Didn't he roll back the "non-monster-spawn light level depends on depth" thing real fast because of difficulty issues. < 1294944880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294944888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And torches going out is that times ten. < 1294944898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a really stupid idea. < 1294944905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great idea < 1294944913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only makes sense as part of the Bluestone proposal, where you could power a torch indefinitely with a generator anyway. < 1294944921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you get enough bulk fuel, which shouldn't be too difficult. < 1294944928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes secure mines impossible until you can make a nether portal, which requires vast amounts of mining in the first place. < 1294944930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just throw coal in to keep everything you use going. < 1294944936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously the game needs either bots or a huge amount of players < 1294944941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use them as bots < 1294944963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: make smp bots, the protocol isn't that hard :) < 1294944990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna make my bots in-game < 1294945023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: please tell those guys at Umeå universitet to stop using their internet connection, i'm downloading ubuntu packages < 1294945031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ..? < 1294945037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they host my ubuntu mirror < 1294945042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes and? < 1294945043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go tell them off for hogging the pipe < 1294945045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slower than usual < 1294945052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in sweden, shouldn't be hard to get there < 1294945075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you realise the distance to there from here is longer than from the south tip of England to the north tip of Scotland? < 1294945105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK is tiny < 1294945107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you want me to go tell Phantom_Hoover off? i can do that, sure < 1294945108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in return < 1294945113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1294945118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1294945119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distance from the south tip of England to the north tip of Scotland is pathetic :P < 1294945124 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed! < 1294945125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why not < 1294945130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your face is pathetic < 1294945136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you think would happen < 1294945158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The distance from the south tip of England to the north tip of Scotland is pathetic :P ← and elliott is talking about north England to south Scotland. < 1294945166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up. < 1294945178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :) < 1294945234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it, like 700 miles? Less? < 1294945234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 700 miles in km < 1294945235 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I forget if that still works) < 1294945261 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my country, blah blah blah it's bigger is the point. < 1294945262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Google Maps Labs has added a distance measurement tool now. < 1294945282 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Schweet < 1294945301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can even measure the length of a polyline if you like. < 1294945304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I realise you're compensating for your lack of size in other areas. It's okay. < 1294945325 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And report results in Ångströms or light-years.) < 1294945360 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my country, you can drive 1,000 miles and see no appreciable change in dialect, accent, religion or ethnicity! < 1294945360 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can drive 2,000 miles to the same effect :P < 1294945362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about parsec? < 1294945376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That, too. And TeX points. < 1294945379 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, not on the east coast I bet < 1294945384 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Any lack of size there could only have been inherited from the UK, but at least we have our teeth :P < 1294945406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how amusing < 1294945417 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Less so on the east coast, but the east coast is still WAY more homogenous than anywhere in Europe. < 1294945429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In my country, you can drive a million miles with no change. (Admittedly you need to be driving in a small circle.) < 1294945438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1294945489 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, well in my country you can drive a parsec with no change (in a rather large circle) < 1294945564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Dispenser <-- oh they can fire arrows, nice < 1294945577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well in my country you can drive infinity plus 999 miles! < 1294945609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my country you can drive an uncountable infinity distance < 1294945638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only in a circle. But also in a square with rounded corners! < 1294945648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that for. < 1294945662 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, OK, that is officially the best thing to happen to MC since sliced bread. < 1294945680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MC has sliced bread? < 1294945688 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yeah mods have been able to do this for ages < 1294945708 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, but still. < 1294945726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, did they do it in a non-hacky way? < 1294945741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well for server mods that would be hard < 1294945756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, craftbook had an IC to do it < 1294945760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also an arrow barge one < 1294945763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is cooler < 1294945768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5 at once) < 1294945788 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1294945797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1294945799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1294945807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that above < 1294945808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `calc 700 miles in km < 1294945819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, not impressed. < 1294945902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm looking into Atomo again < 1294945951 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo It's not slowness, it's unimplementedness :P < 1294945953 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not slowness, it's unimplementedness :P < 1294945963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, working on making mcmap work with this new one? < 1294945986 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/calc < 1294945987 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/calc < 1294946001 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what was that RNA thing you mentioned? < 1294946006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not at the moment; do you have some local server you'd like to run it against? < 1294946046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on, let me check < 1294946066 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EteRNA\ < 1294946071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my local server runs hmod and movecraft, so not very < 1294946115 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eterna.cmu.edu < 1294946122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. The protocol docs seemed updated already, but I'll probably patch mcmap when there are some uses for it. < 1294946124 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, collecting flowers on ineiros's server atm < 1294946167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a backwards-incompatible change anyway; I don't really feel like supporting multiple protocol versions, since Notch doesn't bother anyway. < 1294946180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are flowers a renewable resource? I guess not. < 1294946278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not afaik < 1294946320 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ^ < 1294946343 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Going to update the WooW flora room "reed" sign, now that they're sugar instead? < 1294946360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might as well be quaint < 1294946399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do they still grow next to water < 1294946404 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so it sounds like reed < 1294946419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the semantics have been changed. < 1294946548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like the real plant, sugar cane must be planted on a grass/dirt block immediately adjacent to water, --" < 1294946576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1294947121 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it < 1294947126 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't found my sugar cane < 1294947140 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came across some so I trimmed it and replanted then lost it :| < 1294947146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that poetry < 1294947160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"god damn it < 1294947163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't found my sugar cane < 1294947170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came across some so I trimmed it and replanted then lost it" < 1294947179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1294947181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"god damn it / I still haven't found my sugar cane", by J. Invariant. < 1294947187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294947198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it pretty deep < 1294947205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, hey, wait till you try to find some eggs. < 1294947206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine it being read in a serious voice by a 60-year-old poet < 1294947212 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot the face at the end < 1294947219 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is part of the poem < 1294947219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: too low-brow < 1294947232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, wheat. < 1294947712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: needs a blues melody i think < 1294947819 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it i still haven't found nananeenernanun < 1294947837 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sugar can cane i came across some nananeenernanun < 1294947869 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i trimmed it and replanted nananeenernanun < 1294947884 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then lost it colon pipe nananeenernanun < 1294947914 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i feel, lord < 1294947917 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i been < 1294947925 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiiiiiiiied to the whippin post < 1294947932 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shantih shantih shantih < 1294947964 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows < 1294948185 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1294948220 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was expecting some snapping... < 1294948233 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"colon pipe" < 1294948241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it surely _looked_ as if quintopia had snapped *ducks* < 1294948244 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294948273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a pipe in my colon < 1294948275 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: ce n'est pas une colon pipe < 1294948283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ceci < 1294948292 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that < 1294948296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceci nest p'as none colon pipe une < 1294948300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p'as nest < 1294948301 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't francais < 1294948304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cesi < 1294948324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cesium is no colon pipe < 1294948375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seize my colon pipe < 1294948389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think that may be illegal < 1294948400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294948417 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go go gadget chaotic neutral < 1294948426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go go gadget colon pipe? < 1294948453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The sucked up fleep channel | I'll suck up ALL your fleep, baby! Right through the colon pipe. | http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D or (hg) http://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ < 1294948466 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not the gadget skates! whooooaoaoaOOOOOAAAA < 1294948503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do we _really_ want to scare away the newbies before getting them addicted? < 1294948513 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yus < 1294948513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294948522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU SAY SO < 1294948525 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HEY, don't make me reintroduce your colon pipe. < 1294948531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm currently optimising my procedure, i think i can filter out the worthy ones even quicker than i did with the xkcd guys < 1294948539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i start by killing their family < 1294948541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eating their children < 1294948544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i yell in their ear for 24 hours < 1294948554 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My piping is 2" PVC now. < 1294948555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those that then create seventy languages of oklopol-level pure beauty then go onto the next stage < 1294948557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is secret < 1294948558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! NOT YELLING IN THE EAR! < 1294948566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just plain _cruel_ < 1294948567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YELLING INSULTS NO LESS < 1294948575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they usually beg me to just like < 1294948578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill their grandparents too < 1294948611 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not grandchildren < 1294948625 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not until they release another album < 1294948657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: My piping is 2" PVC now. <-- play music on it < 1294948672 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... THAT IS SICK. < 1294948691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays music on his colon pipe < 1294948691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Vorpal what do you expect < 1294948704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone seize it before it explodes with music < 1294948707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait, I thought you would expect that from Gregor < 1294948719 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1294948751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm pretty sure we've discussed PVC instruments on this channel before < 1294948761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1294948779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, done with the colon pipe discussion then :P < 1294948780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, they are quite interesting < 1294948782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/pvcinstruments/ < 1294948795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any colon pipe there? < 1294948797 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to make a PVC xylovibraglockenphone. < 1294948809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez you are all obsessed with my colon pipe < 1294948822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1294948838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what exactly is a xylovibraglockenphone < 1294948843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, any photo of one? < 1294948858 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obvious < 1294948871 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm referring of course to the family of instruments including the xylophone, vibraphone, marimba and glockenspiel. < 1294948873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://codu.org/pvcinstruments/ <-- link dead, goes to geocities < 1294948880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you might want to update that link < 1294948881 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1294948903 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahfail. < 1294948904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also images on http://codu.org/pvcinstruments/baritonetrombute.php broken < 1294948904 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cross between and vibraphone a glockenspiel and a xylophone and a drumbone for good measure < 1294948912 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, and that is your local stuff < 1294948920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://codu.org/pics/displayimage.php?album=33&pos=3 <-- 404 < 1294948922 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That I'm aware of and haven't bothered to fix :P < 1294948935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, aww :/ < 1294948939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how does it look then? < 1294948946 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks forward to the next blue man gregor concert < 1294948966 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't even put instructions on my PVC trombone there :P < 1294948984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds a reference to "ass pipe" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_the_Virgin_Islands < 1294948998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, pvc pan flute < 1294949007 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too easy. < 1294949012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm true < 1294949053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PVC saxophone? (I haven't been following the context.) < 1294949056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how is the new minecraft version? < 1294949065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't really played, but it seems stable enough. < 1294949071 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure how to make a single reed, and valves are borderline impossible. < 1294949079 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trombaxophone, maybe. < 1294949095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, downside is of course that you can't play on current server atm unless you use alternative launcher < 1294949137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1294949539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trombaxophone" has only one result on Google D-8 < 1294949541 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNACCEPTABLE < 1294949762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ahahahah*. < 1294949776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, Sony submitted *the actual keys* in court documents. < 1294949792 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1294949793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1294949795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly? < 1294949795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that the "circumvention device" they seek to prevent the distribution of is a matter of public record. < 1294949802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1294949868 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like those scenes in movies where somebody knows they're being watched by the good guys and says "Boy I sure hope they don't find the key under the mat that goes to the back window, since there are no sentries posted to the left of that window!" < 1294949920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the best thing ever. < 1294949998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely they didn't do something that barefacedly stupid. < 1294950010 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in that series of screenshots? < 1294950012 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or where? < 1294950021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: In that gigantic pile of screenshots. < 1294950042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Page... 247 of court document 4. < 1294950046 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294950086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Remember that the keys were already released because Sony doesn't know the meaning of "random". < 1294950122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1294950126 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It was random, it just had a very small range. < 1294950134 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no < 1294950137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, a single value. < 1294950147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: HALLO MR I-DUNT-GET-JOKES < 1294950150 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1294950163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though even if it were random *with a known bias*, the keys would still be vulnerable. < 1294950164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed, but there's failing to be cryptographically secure due to skimming the textbook and there's publishing them on a document you *know* is going to be public. < 1294950174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the pile of screenshots? < 1294950175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was the issue with the whole Debian OpenSSL thing) < 1294950232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thesangreal.net/gaf/sony.zip Well, this zip has all the stuff submitted by SCEA so far. < 1294950243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pile of screenshots is in 04.pdf < 1294950260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's absurdly huge. < 1294950273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :282 screenshots. < 1294950299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean the zip. < 1294950303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294950334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christ on a pogo stick, wheat takes ages to grow in MC. < 1294950350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it always done? < 1294950371 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: As opposed to real life, where you pretty much drop it in the ground, go get coffee, then make bread. < 1294950374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, but I never needed it soon. < 1294950385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it takes ages to grow in real life too. The issue is that trees grow unrealistically fast in mc. < 1294950389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does wheat < 1294950391 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, and where you can break solid stone with your bare hands. < 1294950394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need months in real life < 1294950402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that is some nice karate! < 1294950422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can if you're not some kind of PUSSY. < 1294950444 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (And also it's sandstone) < 1294950452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, naw, they added that/ < 1294950457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what is sandstone? < 1294950459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's different from normal stone. < 1294950471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ...a soft kind of stone? < 1294950475 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1294950485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I meant, chemically < 1294950492 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a rock made of lightly-cemented sand. < 1294950492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I know what sandstone looks like < 1294950499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chemically, it's a load of sand smushed together. < 1294950499 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, cemented how? < 1294950504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, smushing. < 1294950517 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm not familiar with that jargon *googles it* < 1294950519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, even sandstone isn't that weak. < 1294950540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trust me, I live in a city where the primary building material is sandstone. < 1294950560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then if you can't smash through your buildings, then I guess you're just some kind of PUSSY. < 1294950581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could punch apart houses in less than a day, there wouldn't be a house standing. < 1294950600 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrecking balls in the next update? < 1294950609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rabid house-punching squads are destroying New York! D-8 < 1294950662 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like all the ads in the documents < 1294950686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294950695 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1294950704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what can't you smash even sandstone!? < 1294950708 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have thought they'd have gone over the keys with a marker pen or something. < 1294950743 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, can you‽ < 1294950761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, never tried. I'd assume so < 1294950772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1294950785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope Vorpal goes and smashes Edinburgh now. < 1294950808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a bit too far to travel < 1294950832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Insane Swedish man found punching houses, trees." < 1294950846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :D < 1294950852 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtitle if it's published in the Evening News: "Believed to be tram contractor." < 1294950861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1294950867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get that < 1294950900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the Evening News is the local rag, which views the council and the tram system which is being built in a similar light to that in which paedophiles are viewed by lesser tabloids. < 1294950921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, haha < 1294950928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why do they hate the tram? < 1294950948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the council did it and it's not exactly been done with the greatest of competence. < 1294950954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roadworks etc. < 1294950966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why do they hate the council? < 1294950973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1294950978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just *do*. < 1294951010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/Tram-talks-off-till-March.6689138.jp < 1294951016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read comments for amusement/despair. < 1294951018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to live in a city where trams are treated like paedophiles. < 1294951018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the council is the government. < 1294951020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore evil. < 1294951024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sounds ... amazing. < 1294951030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Trams: Is YOUR child next?" < 1294951047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> IO b) -> IO a -> IO b < 1294951048 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception bracket :: IO a -> (a -> IO b) -> (a -> IO c) -> IO c < 1294951048 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.OldException bracket :: IO a -> (a -> IO b) -> (a -> IO c) -> IO c < 1294951048 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception bracketOnError :: IO a -> (a -> IO b) -> (a -> IO c) -> IO c < 1294951049 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*picture of young child riding a tram, onlookers stare in horror* < 1294951065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*picture of young child riding a paedohpile, onlookers stare in horror* < 1294951067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*paedophile < 1294951084 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEDOPILE < 1294951086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that type signature just flip (>>=)?? < 1294951092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/??/?/ < 1294951114 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, if you spell paedophile without an 'a' you are obviously a paedo. < 1294951139 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, but at least I'm an AMERICAN (not some filthy Amrican) < 1294951197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Re optimine, intriguingly "The FasterRender mod by @Scaevolus is included in beta 1.2, please let us know if it helps! And send him your regards". < 1294951212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. Isn't that the SSP-only one, though? < 1294951220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ppperhaps. < 1294951220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, it's =<<. < 1294951221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (=<<) ? < 1294951223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But =<< is SO UGLY. < 1294951227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already forgot what the different bits did. < 1294951273 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://voices.washingtonpost.com/blog-post/2011/01/new_zodiac_sign_dates_dont_swi.html < 1294951303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way that article is written as if the Earth's axis has suddenly swivelled 30° overnight and astronomers have just noticed. < 1294951342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the way that the astrologers try to justify it and they take it completely seriously. < 1294951349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://people.cs.uu.nl/andres/lhs2tex/Guide2-1.16.pdf Oh wow, this is complicated. < 1294951387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey j-invariant, have you used lhs2tex < 1294951392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say yes :P < 1294951482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it slightly revolting when the advice for students writing lab reports is to use Word. < 1294951562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gleh. < 1294951589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :87.5% of our students use LaTeX for their reports. (Sample size: N=8.) < 1294951589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCEA has *also* filed a description of how to go *about* deriving the private keys. < 1294951608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hey they added charcoal! < 1294951612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Charcoal < 1294951613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In essence, they themselves have made the entire thing a matter of public record. < 1294951617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bravo! < 1294951620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I just noticed that. < 1294951621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the astrological signs start their division at the spring equinox (the actual modern one). the fact that the divisions are named after >= 2000 year old constellation placements is just tradition. this particular detail isn't really one of the arguments against astrology. < 1294951626 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you might find this useful < 1294951633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, I know. < 1294951651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. It's a fairly short description, but one that any knowledgable cryptographer would be able to work with. < 1294951671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They didn't use random numbers in their ECDSA implementation." ← Sufficient! < 1294951699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, elliott, from version history: "Spiders can climb up walls." < 1294951701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be scared < 1294951703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be VERY scared < 1294951720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they'd always been able to do that. < 1294951730 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they climb up 1x1 pillars? < 1294951734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no they could jump high however < 1294951736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no clue < 1294951751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, that is a botherance. < 1294951770 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, wood and stone tools got a boost. < 1294951783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, they did? < 1294951791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly this is just a lull before Notch brings out the big difficulty hikes. < 1294952051 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g231050135.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294952056 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294952356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Charcoal also obviously means light sources (well, until lantern-time) for your sustainability project. (Though I'm not sure how you get a furnace, since even though cobble is sort-of renewable, I'm not sure how you'd do a cobble factory without a bucket to move lava.) < 1294952395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava is non-renewable now. < 1294952418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too. < 1294952431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I already have one from when lava was renewable from spawn < 1294952442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it is an artifact which can be used < 1294952450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1294952455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, but if you'd like to start from scratch somewhere elsewhere, then it's a problemo. < 1294952463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed it is < 1294952534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could manage to build a cobble factory around an existing lava fall (unless you'd count that despoiling nature, too), but still a bucket seems essential for moving water around. < 1294952553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I seen natural cobble factories < 1294952557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to use though < 1294952560 0 :acetoline!~acetoline@125-237-12-196.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1294952652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPIDERS UP WALLS WHAT WHY < 1294952653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYW < 1294952654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WYHWYH < 1294952654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HWHY < 1294952655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1294952660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYWYHOIERYDRLTKJFGH,IOJKLD;SA'SC.F,GNMHLG;KJFD;SPOACLV,XCMVNBL,FGKTRPOEI45039ROKIO908I94586U859RTUYIR9TUJWHY < 1294952670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did they climb up 1x1 pillars? < 1294952726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they climb over fences < 1294952732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what a shame: the wiki "Crafting" page recipe images are actual screenshots (cropped any which way and sometimes stretched strangely and whatnot); I was somehow assuming they'd be some clever table-driven things, like Wikipedia's chessboards. < 1294953036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ...that is how it works. < 1294953073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some of them. < 1294953126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I was sure that's how it worked. < 1294953136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new "dye recipes" seem to be all more or less ugly screenshots. < 1294953189 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fix them? < 1294953219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1294953316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: DO YOU WANT TO READ MY PROGRAM < 1294953323 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1294953330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: the worst program < 1294953332 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1294953370 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful examples of mutually recursive functions? < 1294953395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: is there a shortage of those? < 1294953398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you run it your cat dies. < 1294953425 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t scanl < 1294953426 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> [a] < 1294953524 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I cna't think of any < 1294953526 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you < 1294953531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: even and odd, for instance! < 1294953533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: :D < 1294953555 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that cmoes to mind for me is EVAL/APPLY and some proofs, well they don't really count though < 1294953556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: if you only have induction-recursion on naturals, and you can memoise them, it's even the fastest way! < 1294953564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval/apply is pretty relevant < 1294953570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all interpreter-esque things are structured that way < 1294953571 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hofstadter functions? < 1294953575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1294953578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sequences < 1294953600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The female and male ones, specifically. < 1294953757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: here's my ugly program: http://sites.google.com/site/ehirdfiles/files/guessing-game.pdf < 1294953780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: state machines work nicely as mutually recursive functions < 1294953781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1294953782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can simplify i < 1294953783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1294953829 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at least you use lhs2tex < 1294953842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that's the sole reason this program exists :P < 1294953849 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294953860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: complaints so far: <=, =>, && look ugly, they're too big... also, it italicises EVERY DAMN NAME, which is just really freakin' annoying < 1294953867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should, like, only use it for local variables < 1294953887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: re: is there something like pastebin for pdfs, as i've just found out, "yes" pretty much < 1294953895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: go to google sites, create a site, create a page, make it a file cabinet < 1294953895 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: google? < 1294953901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila, instant file host < 1294953914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: new version: http://sites.google.com/site/ehirdfiles/files/guessing-game.pdf < 1294953917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getGuess is less ugly now :P < 1294953922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: oh, extra complaint about lhstotex: you can't do < 1294953924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do foo < 1294953925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bar < 1294953927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it renders it as < 1294953929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do foo < 1294953929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bar < 1294953932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1294953940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = do blah < 1294953943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah2 < 1294953947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comes out as < 1294953949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = do blah < 1294953950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah2 < 1294953959 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid < 1294953963 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a bug < 1294953971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probabl < 1294953972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1294953984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extra complaint: it doesn't put enough whitespace between two successive functions in a \begin{code} block < 1294954018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i wish there was a variant of literate programming that utilised hypertext better < 1294954027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: like, i don't really care so much about having a coherent linear order < 1294954036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but i want to interleave code and documentation fully, and also have links < 1294954045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i could link to the whole chapter comprising, say, the parser of a language < 1294954055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and individual functions would link to the place where they are discussed inside that chapter < 1294954056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1294954072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even do a whole OS as a single literate program, because there wouldn't be a strict linear order, it'd be hyperlinked < 1294954098 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah that would be a big improvement < 1294954130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: and then I could make @ one gigantic literate program with both x86-64 asm and @lang code :D < 1294954137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@ is my platonic ideal dream OS) < 1294954144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@lang is the language it's based on) < 1294954266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaaagh*. < 1294954281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq does not approve of @/ < 1294954281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love ams euler, it goes so well with linux libertine < 1294954288 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s|/|| < 1294954289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the BS-X games will only run for a certain number of boots before locking themselves out forever and ever. < 1294954303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it *even more impossible* to actually emulate the damned thing. < 1294954312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294954315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, including the poorly-batched square brackets? < 1294954326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is there something wrong with Euler's []s? < 1294954340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short a bunch of former Nintendo developers "misplacing" a bunch of ROMs on the Internet. < 1294954341 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something wrong with Libertine's. < 1294954354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There is? < 1294954358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which *has* happened for some of them.) < 1294954377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closing one is noticeably narrower and longer than the opening one. < 1294954382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If you just mean "they're not flippings of each other", well, it's olde-style. < 1294954406 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294954414 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the way it's done is sloppy-looking. < 1294954425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who uses square brackets anyway. < 1294954523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To mark elisions? < 1294954531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make nested brackets less confusing? < 1294954545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Loser. < 1294954557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do it! < 1294954562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some people do! < 1294954593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whenever we have code snippets in the channel and they contain square brackets it also looks bad! < 1294954595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: PLAY MY AMAZING GUESSING GAME :d < 1294954597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:D < 1294954605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] < 1294954607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[][][][] < 1294954609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[[]]] < 1294954650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: here's the .hs file :P http://sprunge.us/hRLa < 1294954817 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294954817 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294954817 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1294954853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while () { /* valid K&R C */ } < 1294954955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: do you have any opinions on serialisation of arbitrary GADT values < 1294954956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, get some < 1294954970 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not that interested in serliazation < 1294954988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but @ is based on serialisation! < 1294954997 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way? < 1294954998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: every value in the system is regularly and completely transparently serialised to disk < 1294955006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: "RAM" is now a fancy word for "big disk cache" < 1294955013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := orthogonal persistence < 1294955016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is so awesome that words cannot express it.) < 1294955025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, you just keep saying how @ is awesome while i explain ti < 1294955026 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING becomes vastly nicer. < 1294955028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appreciate < 1294955030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the effort < 1294955030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1294955032 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi! < 1294955056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1294955075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, LaTeX in @: cool as ? < 1294955087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psht, I'm writing my _own_ format. < 1294955097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More semantic! < 1294955110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX is based on the CRIPPLED MOUND OF PRINT LAYOUT. < 1294955144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought LaTeX was one of the few things you liked a lot! < 1294955149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do! < 1294955151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is not IDEAL. < 1294955182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about: implement a nice, clean typesetting system, and implement LaTeX on top of it? < 1294955237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Impossible; my system will be a semantic documentation system, not a typesetting system. < 1294955260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "LaTeX" part will be a program that takes some documentation and an optional object describing the nitty-gritty of formatting it, and producing an abstract typeset result. < 1294955266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By program I mean function. < 1294955449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1294955455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about when you want to write some mathematics? < 1294955490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That'll be part of the semantic format. The syntax will resemble LaTeX < 1294955492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LaTeX. < 1294955507 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just have it BE LaTeX? < 1294955531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have a LaTeX to @type converter? < 1294955547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: see /msg. < 1294955598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secret typesetting conspirationism! < 1294955610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actually, Minecraft SMP. < 1294955634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, that's far less intrigueish. < 1294955648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And far more creepery. < 1294955809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Got a spare server lying around?! < 1294955905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It can't BE LaTeX because LaTeX is implemented on top of TeX, a low-level, print-based, layout and formatting-centric, non-semantic, imperative language. < 1294955924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was offered an old server by a family member, but I'm not up for paying money to my parents for the titanic electrical cost. < 1294955977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's unlikely your connection is fast enough anyway. < 1294955991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1294956007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo < 1294956016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WIPE ZEM AND USE IT TO HOST MINECRAFT < 1294956290 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1294957135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo < 1294957141 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to stay awake all day < 1294957146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading stuff < 1294957152 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's quite performancey enough. < 1294957442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: RAM is the main thing. < 1294957525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ALL YOUR OBJECTIONS WILL BE MET < 1294957601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something like a 1.5GHz Pentium M with maybe a gigabyte or two of memory. And a messy linux-vserver pseudo-virtualization thing. < 1294957656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But, but we are blowing up TNT. < 1294957759 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294958049 0 :Mesingw!~AEther@c-98-221-232-28.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294958064 0 :Mesingw!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1294958279 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294958297 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you, tomorrow, you're only a day away < 1294958340 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, does the fact that you are singing love songs indicate events pertaining to Katie the AT? < 1294958344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294958352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *Katie A.T. Female < 1294958364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it's pronounced "Katie-atie". < 1294958447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an AT-AT from Star Wars. < 1294958480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if there is actually something called a KT-AT somewhere in the Star Wars EU. < 1294958491 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1294958516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so basically, your girlfriend is part of the Imperial war machine. < 1294958531 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that "I love you" referrs to "tomorrow" in that song, not to a person < 1294958532 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any questions? < 1294958541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, she's not my girlfriend < 1294958548 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*object of lust? < 1294958581 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-86851.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1294958746 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter, she's still part of the Imperial war machine. < 1294958750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic says so. < 1294958820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lere161DYc1qay7sto1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1295045258&Signature=cwhPuXXRZ/x2oU29OTpRyz2s044%3D < 1294958837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwwwwwww. < 1294958853 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: LNOL < 1294958854 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1294958862 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smile at the end is hilarous < 1294958869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy at last < 1294958904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, logically you can make 8 coal from 1 coal now. < 1294958915 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"logically"? < 1294958918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a supply of wood, which is far easier to secure than a supply of coal. < 1294958924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, abuse of notation. < 1294958926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BANK RUN < 1294958936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bank run? < 1294958945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's an inefficiency in the market, EXPLOIT IT < 1294958952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Vastly inflate your coal supplies! < 1294958958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's basically a wonky exchange rate. < 1294958966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Given a supply of wood" you can make an indefinite amount of coal from 0 coal, can't you? < 1294958984 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1294958990 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically?? < 1294958995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, wood now smelts into coal. < 1294959002 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logically here is a picture of mars http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA13755 < 1294959025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's charcoal, not real coal, isn't it? (With identical behaviour, but still.) < 1294959040 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do I have to update minecraft? I have never done that < 1294959055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, it updates on start if you've bought it. < 1294959072 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I did say that "logically" was an abuse of notation. < 1294959078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to stamp it out. < 1294959085 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean!! < 1294959086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It updates even when you don't want it to, until you take pains to prevent it. < 1294959090 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I was ignoring you for suspected Englishness. < 1294959165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it means MEANINGNESS < 1294959173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ecologically-sound torches/ < 1294959181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, bone meal makes crops grow instantly. < 1294959186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait a second. < 1294959194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 1 coal = infinite coal, modulo trees. < 1294959200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Coal is now a renewable resource. < 1294959200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294959202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294959204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1: Mine 1 coal. < 1294959207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 2: Set up free farm. < 1294959209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, modulo cobble. < 1294959214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 3: Turn trees and coal into more trees and more coal. < 1294959223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 4: Forever < 1294959241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hurf durf i don't see why i should think when adding features < 1294959268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: COMEDY: Notch claims the uselessness of gold is his OMG POLITICAL statement about gold's real-world usefulness. Coal is now renewable. Theory: Notch denies climate change. < 1294959280 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1294959281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need the 1 coal for? < 1294959288 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't. < 1294959358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, indeed. < 1294959369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFyY2mK8pxk < 1294959403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you use 'octopodes' you had better be able to give this spiel at a moment's notice, and in a British accent." < 1294959406 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done and done. < 1294959430 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octopine < 1294959499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: people who say "octopi" are fair game for being punched in the face when they act like smug grammar Nazis. < 1294959517 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octopi? who says that < 1294959555 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smug nazis < 1294959560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same people who say virii < 1294959570 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it also virodes? < 1294959587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virii is fair game. < 1294959591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Latin-derived. < 1294959606 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cacti < 1294959608 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glargh, apparently not. < 1294959619 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn declensions. < 1294959624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it conjugations? < 1294959627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of VIRII? < 1294959630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virodes :D < 1294959685 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1294959693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is busy turning his entire chests of coal into more coal. < 1294959694 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, from now on every word ending in -us has -odes as the plural < 1294959705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1294959712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... are there many? < 1294959713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Latin dictionaries which just assume you can work out the declensions off-the-cuff from the set of endings they give you. < 1294959715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meatodes < 1294959736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue with "VIRII" as a plural for "VIRUS" is that in Latin, "VIRUS" is an uncountable noun. < 1294959744 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says "The word is from the Latin virus referring to poison and other noxious substances, first used in English in 1392. The plural is viruses." < 1294959752 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/lookup.pl?stem=virus&ending= < 1294959754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELPFUL < 1294959770 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not according to that dictionary, pikhq. < 1294959781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you were to be *accurate* with your plurals, the plural of "virus" would be "virus". < 1294959791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with comparison to their entry for arma, which I *know* is an uncountable noun. < 1294959805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source: Wiktionary. May be wrong.) < 1294959892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ah. According to Wikipedia, *some* dictionaries treat it as a generic second-declension noun. However, this is a neologism. < 1294959895 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294959940 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1294959959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do so, the plural is "VĪRA". < 1294959960 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, why all the talk of octopodes recently? < 1294960038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, they were added to MC. < 1294960044 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!! < 1294960060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, they drop black dye. < 1294960072 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're more sqoctopodes. < 1294960073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I'm damned well using all-caps for Latin. < 1294960086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those little lines on the vowels! < 1294960100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistent orthography is too puny for pikhq. < 1294960107 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, so it went something like "* implemented octopi" in the change log and then an explosion of ZOMG WRONG PLURAL FORM? < 1294960121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have used it for "VĪRĪĪ" and "VĪRUS", as well. < 1294960138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sqoctopodes <3 < 1294960142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just omitted it in general. < 1294960158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, do the little lines, or do it in caps. < 1294960162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do both. < 1294960174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you're going to do it in caps, use the Roman letters. < 1294960192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VIRVS" or "vīrus". < 1294960196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One or the other. < 1294960199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The first is wrong. < 1294960205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1294960206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1294960222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U for V in the middle of words is a Medievalism. < 1294960236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a bad sign that I think of Latin words with the Roman pronunciations? < 1294960289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's technically right to do so with caps, as that practice *does* predate the presence of case in common usage... < 1294960298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*However*, it's not exactly classical. < 1294960298 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you probably think of english words with english pronunciations... < 1294960325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW, I was thinking of it as "U because it's in the middle of a word", not "U because it's the vowel". < 1294960351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but does it make me unbearably pretentious to say "waynee weedee weekee" rather than "veiny veedy veechy"? < 1294960382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on context. < 1294960417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's just "* a new water dwelling mob" in the change log, the plural discussion started because the unofficial MC wiki had pages "Octopus", "Squid" and "Octopi" already created. < 1294960453 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.227.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294960468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. KONSISTENT ORÞOGRAΦY EYE DISPIES! < 1294960469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ViciViciVeb < 1294960695 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1294960707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: UuikiUuikiUueb. < 1294960723 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv3Tt0fFJkU&feature=related < 1294960735 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET OUT OF MY HEAD YOU GODDAMN TUNE < 1294960742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1294960864 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what should I be working on in the next four days < 1294960880 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: knowledge! < 1294960892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: scapegoat! < 1294960897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ONLY blame-based version control system! < 1294960909 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1294960909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :features such as: probably slower than even darcs 1 < 1294960913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it's not a joke :D < 1294960920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, the death of all people with second toes longer than their big ones! < 1294960925 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1294960938 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1294960952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll also probably use quite a bit of disk... < 1294961086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every record of each revision contains the entire repository history up to that point. < 1294961106 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, every revision needs to know what it started with < 1294961109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unary-encoded for convenience. < 1294961124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that lacks FEATURES < 1294961124 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unary is just the easiest way to encode anything :P < 1294961177 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading Bertrand Russel "Introduction to the Problems of Philosophy" < 1294961178 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, cutting your hair makes everywhere colder - the effect can be significant if there was a lot of it < 1294961184 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russell < 1294961196 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing is.. stupid < 1294961196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294961207 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is he talking about? < 1294961227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problems of philosophy? < 1294961238 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: stuff like "tables don't exist even though I can touch them" < 1294961255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in tables < 1294961272 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really have not got the slightest clue what he's trying to get at < 1294961313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my gpu meant to be 73 C while idling? < 1294961328 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyoen actually care about philosophy < 1294961328 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1294961334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1294961340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well ... it is :D < 1294961340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I suggest attaching a griddle to it. < 1294961346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's in a lapotp < 1294961348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*laptop < 1294961348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fry you some bacon! < 1294961353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the laptop feels cool < 1294961359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc the thermal reading might just be bS < 1294961360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BS < 1294961386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 73°C, that shouldn't be cool to the touch. < 1294961391 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1294961393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be melting your leg-flesh. < 1294961404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think the reading is taken from _inside_ the core < 1294961452 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should write a tutorial about something that nobody cares about < 1294961466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Melting your leg-flesh! < 1294961477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: make a tutorial about how to add one to an integer < 1294961492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: apparently it's now 84 C < 1294961528 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is trivial < 1294961528 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, feynman is cool < 1294961538 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like feynman < 1294961544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you make it hard < 1294961558 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bertrand Russell said "The goal of scienci is to find uniformities of the universe" < 1294961584 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Feynman said "I don't care if I get a simple equation for everything, I just want to understand nature. If there is no equation okay, that's what we find instead" < 1294961602 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get much out of Bertrand < 1294961615 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything he says is not even wrong < 1294961685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can i explain scapegoat to you, it's not fair just me and ais understanding it < 1294961687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: or you < 1294961688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or you < 1294961689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: or you < 1294961691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR ANYONE < 1294961694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOUR LEG-FLESH IS IN PAIN, I'M SURE. < 1294961698 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you already did, it's hilarious < 1294961706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i explained it with one line?? < 1294961708 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not now, I'm going to bed an hour ago < 1294961710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have i mentioned it before < 1294961733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :足肉が痛んでるよ! < 1294961766 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's a movie about feynman and throat singing < 1294961804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ARE YOU NOT INTERESTED IN SCAPEGOAT < 1294961927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: did i actually explain tit to you?? < 1294961936 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294961940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: when < 1294961944 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just now < 1294961963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that was not an explanation :) < 1294961988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: so you don't want to know? : < 1294961989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1294961993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1294962070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah < 1294962074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll bother copumpkin more then < 1294962077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUSPICIOUS LACK OF REPLY < 1294962093 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did copumpkin end up in here anyway? < 1294962108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when PH got lambdabot back < 1294962113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the DAMNED HASKELLERS invaded < 1294962116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copumpkin kinda stuck < 1294962132 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we have a lambdabot now < 1294962134 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Plugin < 1294962135 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `quote' failed with: getRandItem: empty list < 1294962143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://twitter.com/pigworker/status/25356492341252096 GET THERE NOW < 1294962180 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desperately Seeking Conor < 1294962191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's in edinburgh dammit < 1294962194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can get there < 1294962205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO EXCUSE NOT TO < 1294962229 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it just says he's teaching.. it's not an invitation :P < 1294962239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but it COULD be! < 1294962249 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;yeah .. if you misinterpret it < 1294962250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all else fails, stand at the window with your face pressed to the glass, listening intently < 1294962253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps with a glass < 1294962305 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you can talk to him on IRC < 1294962350 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure he loves all the stupid questions we throw at him in #epigram < 1294962373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you fool! if you talk to him on IRC, you'll interrupt his Epigram coding! < 1294962378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think 2 is taking so damn long?? < 1294962384 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1294962422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: On the OTHER hand, asking me questions about scapegoat slows nothing down and everyone should do it. < 1294962436 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294962438 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new version of uAgda < 1294962458 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals all of vorpal's entropy < 1294962465 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any neat way to diff two directories? < 1294962476 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a programm called diff :P < 1294962480 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program < 1294962489 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do taht?! < 1294962495 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, diff -r < 1294962498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1294962501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD IT CAN DIFF DIRECTORIES < 1294962507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE < 1294962507 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grat!! < 1294962515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely grat < 1294962530 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294962537 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm diffing aginst my hacked copy < 1294962547 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also get kdiff or another graphical diffing tool, but most of them suck way more than diff and less combined < 1294962560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so since you're not sleeping i must tell you about scapegoat < 1294962569 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and colordiff will make that suck even less) < 1294962593 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you'll just drive me away so I'm forced to sleep < 1294962609 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( < 1294962615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: SCAPEGOAT < 1294962615 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this update doesn't fix the bug I mentioned < 1294962622 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uAGDA < 1294962624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: are you sure they actually saw the post about it < 1294962629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you should have stored your uagda changes in scapegoa < 1294962629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1294962635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you think of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality? < 1294962638 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it sounds interesting, which is what makes it so dangerous < 1294962644 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I would be blamed for breaking it? < 1294962660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's amusing, i haven't read it for ages < 1294962665 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two new uAgda example codes < 1294962666 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, shaving... I can't imagine some people actually do that every single day) < 1294962672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that isn't how scapegoat works dammit < 1294962678 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves it so far < 1294962694 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have this beautiful vision of scapegoat in ym head, don't ruin it! < 1294962709 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how does it work? < 1294962712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: the reality is even better, because it's FRACTAL!! (not really but) < 1294962717 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the problem is that it never updates! < 1294962719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well! < 1294962739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: basically, everything is a Change, capital C < 1294962739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1294962740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1294962744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can get olsner to listen if i try hard enough < 1294962749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copumpkin, i don't really wanna do this three times < 1294962751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, of course, < 1294962753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inevitable < 1294962764 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- let's use parametricity in a useful way: prove that any < 1294962764 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- function of type (X : *) -> X -> X is the identity. < 1294962784 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :save the log, then paste it one line at a time at the right interval to make it seem like you're doing it in person all over < 1294962795 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: f _ _ _ = undefined < 1294962800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: is not a function. < 1294962801 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: uAgda < 1294962803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free a -> a < 1294962803 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line < 1294962807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@them a -> a < 1294962808 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1294962812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh what's the theroems for free command < 1294962813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*theorem < 1294962814 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@themk < 1294962815 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1294962815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*theorems < 1294962816 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@them < 1294962816 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1294962817 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates termination checkers < 1294962817 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@them < 1294962817 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1294962821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1294962822 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1294962823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: lol. < 1294962828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: it's not a "termination checker" < 1294962833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a sub-TC language < 1294962838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a TC language + some checker < 1294962841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a stupid way to think about it < 1294962851 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sub-TC" is silly < 1294962853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, good luck doing proofs with _|_ < 1294962859 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not strongly normalizing /because/ it's sub-TC < 1294962869 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sub-TC because it's SN! < 1294962874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, non-TC < 1294962878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know whaddimean < 1294962888 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about scapegoat! < 1294962890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1294962891 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1294962899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: convince olsner to stay up long enough to listen and i WILL < 1294962909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free a -> a < 1294962909 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line < 1294962914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free f :: a -> a < 1294962914 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g . f = f . g < 1294962916 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help me program in uAgda < 1294962921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst theorem for free < 1294962925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i can only do one of those two things :D < 1294962937 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, maybe, how long will this take? :) < 1294962948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: like 15 minutes max? < 1294962957 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/JmXRenaa < 1294962959 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHeck this out < 1294962968 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, that's about as long as is left of this half-played episode I just found < 1294962985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do I have to duke it out to the death with that episode? < 1294962990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "max" < 1294962993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: neat < 1294962997 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1294963009 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I find paused mplayer windows all over, then I have to watch them to the end after unpausing) < 1294963022 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why is that a bad free theorem? < 1294963038 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I expect you to coexist peacefully < 1294963049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i refuse to talk to anyone without FULL ATTENTION! scapegoat is IMPORTANT1 < 1294963051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IMPORTANT! < 1294963054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: it could give "f = id" :P < 1294963084 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how it works :P < 1294963087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you want to hear about scapegoat, I'm sure < 1294963092 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at work < 1294963101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: ALL THE MORE REASON < 1294963107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, where are you? < 1294963116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this conception that ou're in the uk < 1294963118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1294963132 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could be canadian < 1294963143 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see my paste < 1294963150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i did < 1294963157 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: be more excited!! < 1294963161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i was! < 1294963168 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah, US < 1294963169 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the ! thing is like "gimme parametricity" < 1294963187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: oh ... so you're lame < 1294963194 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1294963198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, uh < 1294963199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because