< 1294272050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: down? < 1294272059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1294272064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get my msg < 1294272069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in ineiros' hole < 1294272073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noticed its entrance < 1294272076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WHY DID YOU GO IN THERE AGAIN < 1294272079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: climb up the stairs < 1294272082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use F3 to get to -200 < 1294272087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then go to 1000 < 1294272089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the other coord < 1294272092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back up < 1294272093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i figured it's faster to go from there than walk to spawn < 1294272101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1294272104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but falling in it does not help < 1294272106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's why i went there < 1294272108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nono < 1294272116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was walking on the tracks < 1294272116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1294272122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and noticed the entrance to ineiros' hole < 1294272123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh right < 1294272126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stairs then < 1294272144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's painfully obvious < 1294272146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to notice < 1294272624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: be there in a second < 1294272907 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn you a Haskell is amazing < 1294273330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294273334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you please give oklopol a lesson in basic navigation. He is worse at it than me. < 1294273370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or at least, I don't believe I could be within short-(or-maybe-normal)-viewing-range of the cube, go into the sea right next to it, claim to see nothing, and then become completely out of sight for someone on far 30 seconds later. < 1294273374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm not < 1294273388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes you are < 1294273395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm terrible at navigation < 1294273496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i am not < 1294273569 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the guy to ask, since I'd lose my own head without having it shown on a mcmap window. < 1294273645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is it down again. < 1294273650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1294273668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more < 1294274539 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1167928546.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1294275496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is it down again? < 1294275511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: 'Tis. < 1294275525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno dunno < 1294275530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1294276714 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1294276887 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294277153 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294277215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1294277383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1294277411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it possible to change mcmap from using // to something else? I was going to try out this hmod plugin on my local test server: http://forum.hey0.net/showthread.php?tid=94 < 1294277415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses // < 1294277416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1294277436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfectly possible but I like // and I'm not changing it. Grep the source or convince fizzie. :p < 1294277454 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, I assume it is just one place to change it? Some define or such < 1294277472 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if not I could make a patch that makes it just a define to change it. Would you accept that? < 1294277483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't, but fizzie might. i certainly wouldn't like it if the usage messages < 1294277486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a hideous define in them < 1294277501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code/mcmap/main.c: && p->bytes[3] == '/' && p->bytes[4] == '/') < 1294277501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code/mcmap/world.c: if (t >= 3 && p[0] == '/' && p[1] == '/') < 1294277501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well what about a command line option then < 1294277504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the two places to change. < 1294277510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making that a strcmp would be irritating. < 1294277537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wouldn't need to be strcmp. The first char would always be /. It would just be a case of changing the second char < 1294277552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if I wanted my prefix to be "^å"? < 1294277554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I agree that // is a good default. < 1294277573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then you could patch the source. / is very commandy after all :) < 1294277588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if it was just a define to change the second char, and you left the usage messages saying //foo no matter what to simplify the code, sure, i'd apply it < 1294277604 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the messages, aren't they just strings < 1294277607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you got any spare torches? ph has ours in his inventory i think and we need to torch sand. < 1294277610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1294277610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait you would need to stringify < 1294277614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be annoying < 1294277620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you did < 1294277621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define char / < 1294277622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck C < 1294277629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1294277631 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sounds like a bad idea ;P < 1294277640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: got any spare torches? < 1294277647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any #define char sounds bad < 1294277650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, define spare < 1294277656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to use for torching. < 1294277660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i already asked that < 1294277670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have them back when ph gives us our torches back. < 1294277691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well no, I carry the raw resources around. I don't carry more than a handful of actual torches < 1294277700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't login atm. elliott you can have them tomorrow < 1294277711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right, well, it's kind of a pressing need. < 1294277713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie? < 1294277713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, surely you found a shitload of coal by now? < 1294277722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uh why i've been working on the cube < 1294277726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would we find coal < 1294277732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when digging below it? < 1294277745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tnt. < 1294277750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excavation is on hold until tnt kit anyway < 1294277754 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ecological practices would eliminate your need for coal! < 1294277757 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1294277758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1294277770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: got a better way to remove long columns of gravel/sand? < 1294277787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but this makes no sense. those are reused < 1294277795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ph has them in his inventory, as i said. < 1294277800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you log in now < 1294277803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tell him to hand it back? < 1294277808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's offline < 1294277809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1294277811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I get route not found :P < 1294277819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my internet *is* screwed up < 1294277822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried in the last hour < 1294277829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I tried after you asked me < 1294277832 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you use coal to do that? < 1294277834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just above < 1294277837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like 2 minutes ago < 1294277841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you use torches. < 1294277868 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway don't you have a stack of coal and a stack of logs in your inventory? < 1294277873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. < 1294277901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to use /7 for mcmap < 1294277913 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how? < 1294277942 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"**Torches can be placed on the block if fast graphics is on. Switching to fast graphics, placing the torch and then switching back to fancy will not remove the torch. < 1294277942 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1294277944 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1294277970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it can be placed on leaves in both now I think < 1294277976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, that bit should be updated < 1294277987 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was there ever a difference? < 1294277992 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch quality coding/ < 1294277996 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1294277997 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, handled as glass < 1294278002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1294278014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: buy the fucking game and come do our drudge work for us < 1294278062 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294278364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I first parsed that as "fucking-game" < 1294278381 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal's turning into me! < 1294278386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do all the fucking for us, we'll handle the interesting stuff" < 1294278422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i didn't get that far before backtracking though :P < 1294278488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol < 1294278553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: back up < 1294279090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294279101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can one of my female buddies come on the server < 1294279254 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ask ineiros? < 1294279266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's who i'm asking mainly < 1294279350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be prepared to wait a while for the answer, also. < 1294279413 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1294281401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? < 1294281421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: stopped playing already < 1294282236 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294283503 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHRASE O' THE DAY: "Spices is arsenic, dude!" < 1294283646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WIN < 1294283649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD, THE WIN < 1294283738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is there some reference i'm not getting :D < 1294283836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's just freaking hilarious and winsome. < 1294284155 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a reference, but it's way too "in-joke" to just me and some people in PDX :P < 1294284245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PDX can refer to Portland, Oregon" < 1294284271 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does! < 1294284281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls Gregor is from there but swats him for the obscure acronym nevertheless -----### < 1294284297 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an acronym, it's an international airport code :P < 1294284314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same shit < 1294284397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But it doesn't expand to anything. < 1294284415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a pointer to the airport in Portland, Oregon. < 1294284416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1294284421 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1294284422 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, and other people who've seen your Facebook statuses? < 1294284433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Even without the in-joke-ness, it's pretty winsome. So. < 1294284437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not an acronym, it's an international airport code :P <-- no? < 1294284446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the international ones are 4-letters < 1294284449 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 3-letters < 1294284530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1294284534 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, nope < 1294284536 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all 3 < 1294284541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's multiple airport codes, and multiple international airport codes. < 1294284548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ICAO < 1294284559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is the widely used one < 1294284563 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to play Minecraft multiplayer NAO < 1294284565 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1294284567 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294284567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: IATA is also an international airport code that is widely used. < 1294284580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And Portland has PDX. < 1294284591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "Most countries use ICAO codes, not IATA codes, in their official aeronautical publications." < 1294284593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wikipedia < 1294284616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US, to be contrary, uses its own. < 1294284629 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, thus I forgotten about IATA because you never see it used widely < 1294284632 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, typical of us :-} < 1294284656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the time, but not always, it's identical to the IATA code, but the FAA code is completely distinct. < 1294284715 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ICAO is way way more common than IATA < 1294284777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in the US, where FAA which is usually identical to IATA is more common. < 1294284783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because we hate you. < 1294284784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294284796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not for international flights though :P < 1294284822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the flight codes used on my last international flight, so I can't say. < 1294284842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I meant for navigation and so on. I don't care about luggage :P < 1294284878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for navigation... English is the used language. Because we hate you. :P < 1294284895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well it is in many fields < 1294284906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR HATRED IS VAST! < 1294284921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ta det språk som jag använde nyss till exempel. < 1294284931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :engelska igen < 1294284937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, och så vidare! < 1294284955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :その言語がとても変だ。 < 1294284955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(try google translate, it will probably be hilarious) < 1294284960 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/ewr1a/so_i_have_a_new_way_to_play_minecraft/c1bkh2k < 1294284961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :英語だけ! < 1294284965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, touche < 1294285004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the language that I used recently for example. English again. And so on! < 1294285019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is astoundingly close to being comprehensible. < 1294285048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet machine translation between Germanic languages is easier than the general case. < 1294285094 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/ewr1a/so_i_have_a_new_way_to_play_minecraft/c1bkh2k <-- tried that on smaller scale < 1294285103 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not necc. using google's algorithms < 1294285113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, as in, a few minutes in nether and then 4-5 hours to trek home < 1294285122 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for most language parsing based translators you would be right < 1294285134 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, 4-5 HOURS? < 1294285136 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Google does not parse the language in order to translae < 1294285137 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1294285140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Take the language that I used recently for example. English again. And so on! <-- quite indeed < 1294285145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it made perfect sense < 1294285160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Presumably because even just naively "translating" the words verbatim would get you in the ballpark. < 1294285181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, yes. There was a huge lake in the way and some pretty sights. And the terrain was very uneven. < 1294285188 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I read a few whitepapers on how google does translation < 1294285194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I could probably have managed 1-2 hours if I had rushed < 1294285203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah, Google's is statistical based on its crawling, isn't it? < 1294285208 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes < 1294285226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1294285228 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they take "known good" translations (such as wikipedia) < 1294285263 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use some very interesting models to figure out which _phrases_ translate roughly to other phrases < 1294285268 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use those < 1294285278 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie: google does NOT know which words are nouns and which verbs < 1294285313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why you get hilarious translations from it sometimes. < 1294285320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC something like Venice → New York. < 1294285354 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, one of the funniest things to do is to translate from Eng -> French -> Eng -> French -> Eng ... < 1294285368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, leads to curios results sometimes. Such as "the official denied any knowledge of" turning into "the official denied not knowing anything about" (approx) once when I translated from Norwegian to Swedish. < 1294285405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, and that was not iterative < 1294285439 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you can "correct" the translations and over time Google will learn the new phrases < 1294285450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, other known ones: inch -> cm. TT -> AP (TT is a Swedish news agency, AP is a completely different one) < 1294285471 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right: also km -> mile < 1294285475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, yep < 1294285486 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because google doesn't know what it is translating < 1294285500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, now I just hope they don't do sv:mil -> en:mile. Because a Swedish mile is 10 km < 1294285502 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only knows that the two phrases occur at the right places in multiple documents < 1294285527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is even more off than km < 1294285530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That probably depends on time period. < 1294285543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, eh? what does? < 1294285552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh, length of mile < 1294285556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I meant modern mile < 1294285571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, as you might say "it is 10 mile to that city" or such < 1294285576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto no sv Tjenestemannen benektet ethvert kjennskap til < 1294285591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hackego not here < 1294285596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Actually, the traditional Swedish mil unit was actually close to 10 km. < 1294285598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darnit < 1294285610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, possibly. I'm no history expert. < 1294285612 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here speak Norwegian ? < 1294285618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, yes oerjan < 1294285620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, that is. < 1294285635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Yeah, Ørjan. < 1294285637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but a modern Swedish mil is 10 km < 1294285646 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oooh perfect < 1294285651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Instead of 10,688 m. < 1294285656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah < 1294285663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that was just attempting to reconstruct Vorpal's example < 1294285664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(11,295 m in Norway) < 1294285666 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how do you pronounce ø ? < 1294285666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there were different mil iirc < 1294285677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, like, for different purposes < 1294285690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the, ah, "land mile" or "long mile". < 1294285702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, travel by coach-mil I think? < 1294285708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, vs. a few other land ones < 1294285710 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if you can give me a good recording to listen to that would be awesome! < 1294285712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I bet you had stuff like the nautical mile as well, and of course the statue mile. < 1294285716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statute, I mean. < 1294285722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, statue, could be it < 1294285726 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also - anyone here speak Persian ? < 1294285729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: low frontal rounded. also i have no microphone. < 1294285758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly mid frontal rounded, somewhere around there < 1294285758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, don't you pronounce it like ö? < 1294285758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The statute mile being, of course, 1,609.344 m. < 1294285766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because eff you) < 1294285772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah < 1294285786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what was the point of statue mile? < 1294285799 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11847921/Images/Games/Minecraft/screenshots/Heatsink.jpg why isn't the water flowing? < 1294285805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pretty close yes, i'm sure there is _some_ difference... < 1294285811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Defined by Act of Parliament! < 1294285825 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes but why < 1294285850 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ok cool < 1294285850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, proably it flows down due to hole? < 1294285856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To define a standard system of measurements across Her Majesty's Realm. < 1294285859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, check wiki for rules on water < 1294285909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, nice building though < 1294285919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, and it is flowing. Right down < 1294285969 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I saw you the first time < 1294286000 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, ? < 1294286012 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't need to repeat yourself < 1294286017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US, to be contrary, also has the survey foot. < 1294286017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1294286020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And related units. < 1294286035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are *almost* identical. < 1294286095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, I hate the US's units. < 1294286104 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, me too < 1294286112 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ and I'm from the US } < 1294286118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: As am I. < 1294286130 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wherefrom? < 1294286139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, relevant page is http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Fluids < 1294286146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near Colorado Springs, CO. < 1294286162 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm from the center of the world: New York :-} < 1294286172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure, be near population. :P < 1294286219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I suppose I'm near population. One of the few regions of population density in, oh, the surrounding few-hundred-kilometer radius. < 1294286289 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's claiming that with my study habits, I would not have survived at a decent college, and it's the post-graduate college that matters anyway < 1294286307 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, grad school matters the most < 1294286319 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, curious - which uni are you in? < 1294286323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, the nearest place of notable population going west is a 920 kilometer drive... < 1294286329 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUNY Farmingdale < 1294286340 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I'm in SUNY Binghamton :-) < 1294286340 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the professors are idiots, the students are idiots < 1294286345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, east. < 1294286366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :West, it's... 967 km. < 1294286376 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, you could probably transfer around the SUNYs fairly easily < 1294286380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wow. 96 mil < 1294286383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that's long < 1294286396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The US is freaking huge, and the west is sparsely populated. < 1294286405 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, taking Computer Programming/Information Systems, need to work out if it's viable to do CS at Stony Brook for post-grad < 1294286433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is like 200 km to Stockholm from here... And I consider that far. Well not as far as going to north Sweden. < 1294286446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Look at a map of the US on Google Maps. Realise that that's about the size of Europe. < 1294286457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, very true < 1294286503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me to go to the capital of the US would be a 28 hour trip driving straight... < 1294286515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,663 km. < 1294286544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, take the sleeper train. Oh wait. < 1294286573 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm in the real capital of the US..... if I wanted to go to the political capital on the other hand..... < 1294286590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: You could actually take a train there. < 1294286602 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wants to build a huge automatic elevator < 1294286611 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, I'm aware. I was joking about NY being the captial < 1294286622 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including automatic rests for breathing as needed < 1294286645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Well, it is the *largest* city in the US. < 1294286678 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, see pm again < 1294286701 0 :Sasha2!~WHAT@97-124-39-220.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294286765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, you mean boatlevator? < 1294286774 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, there are other kinds? < 1294286786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, no breathing rests required. Even when going from bottom to top of map < 1294286790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it is too fast for that < 1294286796 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1294286818 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwww, I wanted to build breathing rests < 1294286821 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294286823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, you could try out the one I have at my place on the server. When you buy the game and ineiros let you on < 1294286825 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove the ceiling! < 1294286830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it goes nearly to the top < 1294286848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is automated < 1294286851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a loop) < 1294286862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is alt 4 -> alt 110 or something like that < 1294286991 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pDe7CKGgWA&feature=related actually says that it's the need to collect resources that makes MC interesting < 1294286992 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1294287067 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person doesn't know how to make scaffolds < 1294287162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1294287181 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, I guess that works < 1294287181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a customary US fluid ounce and a food nutrition labelling US fluid ounce. < 1294287187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, boat loop is simple < 1294287191 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably better, too. Easy to remove < 1294287201 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@p4FF691D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294287209 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm talking about the method this person is using to get back up when he fell < 1294287210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The customary once is *defined as* 29.5735295625 mL. The labelling one is 30 mL. < 1294287212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it you come on the server tomorrow I can show you < 1294287227 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:13 < 1294287228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/once/ounce/ < 1294287236 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no chance I'll get MC by tomorrow < 1294287333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, in my method that is no issue. You dig two spiral staircases down. one 2x2, one 2x3. Separated by 5 blocks. then connect them at the bottom . Close up top of 2x3. Place water along the far edge. Fix bottom end of loop (this is hardest). Remove stairs in the holes, starting from top. Finally Open up top of 2x3 so water can flow down as well < 1294287440 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1294287722 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be possible to use redstone to have music blocks play, right?/ < 1294287768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, as far as I heard yes < 1294287798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, anyway I prefer a larger loop variant < 1294287807 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1294287810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, more reliable, more time to get out and in of < 1294287861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, besides in total it needs 2x5 digging, not 2x9. Though the 2x5 is spread out into two separate holes with some distance in between < 1294288170 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No elevators on the Reddit servers < 1294288174 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Water is banned) < 1294288183 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1294288201 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you use lava (not banned) and accidentally start a forest fire? < 1294288323 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294288702 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is the current vocab system the final system that will be in Factor 1.0? < 1294288702 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes < 1294288709 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I bothered to ask < 1294288720 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, shutup shat up! < 1294288749 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, "shat" is almost certainly not .. does "shut" as a past tense work? < 1294288854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shut < 1294288912 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294289044 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1294289821 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a programming language with *portals*... that would be interesting < 1294289874 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314, oooooooooshowme < 1294289892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION falls in love with a possibly not yet existent language < 1294289895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1294289936 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's nonexistent so far < 1294290040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be useful for distributed programming < 1294290049 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1294290280 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294290488 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, there's already a portal programming language: http://www.google.com/search?tbo=1&tbs=bks%3A1&q=editions%3Aeqevfg0_XtQC < 1294290554 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should call it "Portal 2" < 1294290814 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION falls in love with PORTAL < 1294290883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1294290892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why haven't I heard of PORTAL before? < 1294291868 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1294292222 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an esoteric research language that nobody uses? < 1294292344 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1294292735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I do believe this is #esoteric. < 1294292744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric languages are sort of our thing. < 1294292949 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294294461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1294294584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chuckles at r/circlejerk's latest antics < 1294294606 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-221-26.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294294665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/ewmac/for_every_500_upvotes_this_submission_gets_i_will/ < 1294294672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, PORTAL was meant to be a practical language < 1294294879 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/who-was-i-and-why-was-i-important-again,18715/?utm_souce=popbox this is what elliott wants me to be < 1294295104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still love that the US's national anthem is originally a drinking song. < 1294295323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mythbusters sez: Sneeze into your elbow. < 1294295404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq says: next performance of the US national anthem, be sure to sing "To Anacreon in Heav'n, where he sat in full glee" ... < 1294296620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should just sneeze on the nearest hatted person < 1294297323 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294297836 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1294298574 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1294299378 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes the obvious reason that shutup wasn't talking < 1294299396 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Shut up about shutup! < 1294299399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^not real < 1294299404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was? < 1294299414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, elliott not being online to run the bot < 1294299426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1294299429 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And updog's presense here disproves my theory < 1294299429 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294299444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless... shutup gets its cues from elliott's client < 1294299454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i thought it could be updog too... < 1294299454 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294299459 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor < 1294299467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shutup is, in fact, awake < 1294299484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got a response? < 1294299486 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1294299496 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know why I didn't get a response earlier < 1294299500 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1294299509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is the current vocab system the final system that will be in Factor 1.0? < 1294299515 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294299523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor 1.0? < 1294299523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1294299533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor < 1294299536 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AW < 1294299538 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk < 1294299545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No responses < 1294299556 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds < 1294299560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1294299576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at the kicked updog menacingly < 1294299584 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least we know that oerjan kicks dogs < 1294299632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, updog feeds shutup < 1294299862 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now you can speak freely! < 1294299870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1294299962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got yet another Spam IM with a suspicious message < 1294299968 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time, I plan on clicking < 1294299971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[in a VM] < 1294299978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads TinyCore < 1294300274 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, as soon as I figure out how to install a browser on this thing < 1294300799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1294300800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1294300948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets it working < 1294300970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a thing claiming to give a free Blackberry Torch < 1294301629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Started lagging out :/ < 1294301641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also started fearing that maybe Freenode decided I was a spammer or somesuch < 1294301649 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect to get from it? < 1294301680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, was expecting malware or ... what do those fake contest things DO, exactly? < 1294301702 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know either < 1294302065 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294302092 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294303967 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specker_sequence < 1294306749 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1294308576 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294313880 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294313901 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294314353 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294315095 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181139241.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294315529 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294315532 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294315801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's distressing that I couldn't figure out how to change the resolution in SLAX < 1294315802 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1294315827 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your FACE is distressing. < 1294315836 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is your blood furry costume. < 1294315962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tinymelinux.com/doku.php/download#bittorrent-recommended < 1294315970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a torrent on that page < 1294315972 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1294316258 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231050251.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294316374 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox is beginning to piss me off < 1294317567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimplyMEPIS has THREE seeders < 1294317567 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not doing anything unexpected < 1294317570 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's depressing < 1294317586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even f****n JOLICLOUD has more < 1294317588 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's simplymepis? (i can't use the web right now) < 1294317595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux distro < 1294317606 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it relevant? < 1294317619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm exploring Linux distros right now < 1294317643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or.. did you mean for this channel? < 1294317650 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant for this conversation < 1294317655 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you found to be noteworthy so far? < 1294317674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The download hasn't finished yet < 1294317692 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you may have tried other linuces < 1294317703 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLAX is still using KDE 3.something < 1294317720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw something in the forums suggesting that it doesn't have latest ntfs-3g or somesuch < 1294317731 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1294317737 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else? < 1294317740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TinyCore boots up REALLY FRIGGEN FAST < 1294317751 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean as far as *interesting* things, not "things that ubuntu does easily" < 1294317753 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1294317753 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1294317770 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep goin < 1294317771 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1294317850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided that my honeymoon with VirtualBox is over. < 1294317854 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other distros have you tried? < 1294317857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to download VMWare Server < 1294317886 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently, or in the past? < 1294317893 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently < 1294317923 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, just TinyCore and SLAX < 1294317927 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it feels like most distros try and fail at copying several of the big ones < 1294317933 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slackware, gentoo, debian/ubuntu < 1294317937 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redhat < 1294318231 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear VMWare: I live in Schenectady. Love, Sgeo. < 1294318248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Note: I do not live in Schenectady] < 1294318290 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got em so tricked < 1294319173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do seem to check that the city you put in is real < 1294319188 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't test whether or not it requires the matching ZIP code < 1294319203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put in 12345, which is for General Electric in Schnectady < 1294319305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why on earth would you try this many distros? < 1294319329 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To find one I like! < 1294319367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What don't you like about every major one? < 1294319392 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misparsed that at first < 1294319426 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatively stupid stuff, mostly < 1294319461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one I ever HATED that I can remember is Linux XP < 1294319474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "major" < 1294319791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does VMWare Server feel a need to download a Java Runtime Environment? < 1294319805 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox maybe I'd understand < 1294319823 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to shoot Su.. oh wait, Oracle did that and is now being evil < 1294320886 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294321241 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294321392 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294321437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: VMWare Server now makes your computer into a server, and the UI is a webpage < 1294321442 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't I see this coming? < 1294321672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, because visibility inside your blood fursuit is poor. < 1294321698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION restarts XChat to get the bloody thing to register my default nick changes. < 1294321701 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1294321722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294321799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure pikhq warned me about this, but I ignored him because I thought he was talking about crappy internal architecture < 1294321957 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181138159.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294322676 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294322703 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294323464 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1294323848 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1294323851 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294323851 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294323886 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294324223 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294324344 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1294324426 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294324537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lols at the existence of ipv6-literal.net < 1294325114 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@p4FF691D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294325745 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-114.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294325963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? < 1294326006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a question about mcmap: does water really block tp? Because when you ended up sub-surface in an unloaded chunk tp out of there would be /very/ useful < 1294326105 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1294326223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't. < 1294326232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix that thing at some point. < 1294326234 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294326279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that win version coming < 1294326322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to get home, i managed to convince myself i had a way to look at coordinates as much as i like, and decided to take a random walk < 1294326341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you can use f3 to see coords < 1294326341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then turns out once i started using my great idea, i had a constant amount of look-ups :D < 1294326345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can't < 1294326350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what? < 1294326351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can, 5 times in a game < 1294326362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not you confused me < 1294326365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now* < 1294326374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a red square goes on top of the numbers < 1294326384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah yes, I heard that was a problem on smaller screens < 1294326385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have a too small window. < 1294326386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grows < 1294326399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, the graph thingy I assume? < 1294326403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too small resolution more like < 1294326421 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it is fine with a maximised window on my 24" desktop monitor ;) < 1294326423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhows, I don't know about the win binary, did it not work? < 1294326435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, this is a very old crt < 1294326447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't know it existed yet < 1294326461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably very buggy. < 1294326484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/mcmap-win.zip if I remember right. < 1294326499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The no-map mode might work if you just need a //goto. < 1294326526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me it crashed on //goto, but it looked like it actually teleported first, so it might sorta-work. < 1294326527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i want is to look at coordinates < 1294326531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1294326545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think that works in nomap mode yet. < 1294326560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can fixize that after I get home. < 1294326581 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a feature request would be to turn the second letter of the command prefix into a #define or command line option. I was trying out a hmod plugin on my local test server that uses // as prefix. I patched it locally but it seems rather hackish. And // is a good default for most people. < 1294326589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to constantly look up to know where north is, because i can't see any landmarks with tiny, and it's very hard to keep track locally because whenever i move my mouse, one second later, all that is collected into a random turn < 1294326603 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, //compass ? < 1294326604 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1294326608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /compass < 1294326609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1294326615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a /compass command, right. < 1294326615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmod provides it < 1294326618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(constantly look up and switch to normal) < 1294326623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1294326626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tells you which way you are looking at. < 1294326637 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't tell you where you are, though. < 1294326689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, helping on the drainage operation? < 1294326713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when i randomly find my way back, and no, i don't want your help and annoying comments < 1294326721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, idea: get worldedit hmod plugin. stand next to water, use //drain 128 < 1294326747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, hmm. I think elliott might object to that. < 1294326764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too close to using a map editor. < 1294326778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, worldedit *is* an in-game map editor < 1294326780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw there was a random boat in the water, i decided to steal it since they are practically free < 1294326794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a few blocks south < 1294326797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, OK, so he's not going to accept that/ < 1294326800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in the water where btw? < 1294326802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to assess < 1294326804 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294326811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :south from cube < 1294326824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it works better than the free standing ones I tried. < 1294326833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that is not the point. < 1294326848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i should probably continue playing, i just randomly bumped into one of your bridges < 1294326851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed, I didn't claim it was. Was just a general statement. < 1294326852 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of this is to build it with legitimate-but-for-kits methods. < 1294326854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love this game < 1294326862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hours of walking in the dark and suddenly: bridge. < 1294326867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, bridges hm. Must be near spawn? < 1294326873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, or wait. Very far south? < 1294326902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, do you have an in-game compass (those always point towards spawn) < 1294326911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna try to see if there's something familiar there, being near spawn has been a rather confusing experience, since i've always been following a guy who randomly jumps 30 blocks at a time and calls me a retard < 1294326915 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using that and /compass you could tell general direction from spawn < 1294326922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, if you don't have a compass I can give you one. < 1294326939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, same. But I have to do some RL stuff now. bbs < 1294326946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be fun i guess, i wish there was an in-game coordinate gadget < 1294327010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm not very far south anymore, see i tried to get back by going north, but then i just ended up playing with the boat till i got lost < 1294327022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was so much fun < 1294327027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm < 1294327060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always just swim, but when i suddenly found a boat, was hard not to try it < 1294327061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well there is f3 ;P < 1294327062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i < 1294327082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, they are quite hard to control when laggy < 1294327085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is the biggest resolution i've got, and the crt is already blurring things a lot < 1294327089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, they work a lot better in single player thus < 1294327103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have both lag and very low fps < 1294327137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet is crappy, i have a very old crt, and my computer is a tiny little laptop not exactly meant for gaming, can't handle most flash games < 1294327186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you have a CRT laptop? < 1294327201 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001f5b00390f-CM001e6b2335dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294327593 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1294327810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "bus error" when trying to connect sometimes, randomly pretty much. < 1294328309 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294329283 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1294329759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol, ah yes, I heard that was a problem on smaller screens < 1294329762 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. < 1294329781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a measure of CPU load. < 1294329785 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294329854 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294330090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well on a large screen it never goes on top of the coords. even when the CPU is bogged down by mc < 1294330277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my vertically oriented window it does not seem to be a problem either. < 1294330293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it scale the text too or just the GUI elements? < 1294330319 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, are you disconnected? < 1294330326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I lost connection it seems < 1294330327 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294330327 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294330333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lagging out < 1294330342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, down for you too? < 1294330348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294330448 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just confused "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai: Across the Eighth Dimension" with Tron < 1294330498 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the new Tron good? < 1294330514 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never seen either Tron or The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai < 1294330523 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have not seen the original Tron? < 1294330548 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct < 1294330571 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Is that not so?" "Yes, that is not so.") < 1294330600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, googling for that quote and Pratchett gives nothing < 1294330606 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW I saw it in Thief of Time < 1294330611 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good film < 1294332378 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181139218.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294332414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("Is that not so?" "Yes, that is not so.") <-- 1) without quotes the words are probably too generic to give a good result. 2) with quotes a tiny comma difference or such would probably result in not getting the result < 1294332426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that quote btw < 1294332515 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Auditors < 1294332525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were trying to convince... someone.. of something... < 1294332553 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making excuses for why they weren't eating < 1294332560 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposedly against their religion < 1294332569 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To eat the food that was being offered < 1294333174 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1294333677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1294333705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, possibly < 1294333715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean hi < 1294333723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan * (oerjan - 1) * (oerjan - 2) .. < 1294333894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the factorial of oerjan < 1294333936 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294333989 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we know all your secrets! < 1294333997 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Ok, just one] < 1294334019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott we missed you in mc < 1294334075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"missed"? < 1294334100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we were all like if only this guy was here < 1294334118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, what have you done < 1294334157 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im considering buying it < 1294334159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:58:09 My dad's claiming that with my study habits, I would not have survived at a decent college, and it's the post-graduate college that matters anyway < 1294334161 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1294334161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involved tnt, stupidity, and the destruction of all your dreams < 1294334162 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1294334164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: your dad claims so many things < 1294334218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see we figured it'd be even faster to torch with tnt, because tnt blows up a much bigger area than a torch < 1294334319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("Is that not so?" "Yes, that is not so.") <-- 1) without quotes the words are probably too generic to give a good result. 2) with quotes a tiny comma difference or such would probably result in not getting the result < 1294334336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think google considers punctuation much even with quotes < 1294334339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm did updog crash? < 1294334350 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oerjan kicked it < 1294334354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WE DID AN EXPERIMENT < 1294334356 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning I can say Factor all I want! < 1294334360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1294334377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor Active Worlds Smalltalk Newspeak < 1294334403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, looks like updog being kicked broke shutup since they run on the same service supervisor < 1294334405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your point? < 1294334408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was FOR SCIENCE < 1294334413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your point? < 1294334428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that is what you _say_ < 1294334440 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're still trying to hide shutup being fed by updog? < 1294334442 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shutupdog < 1294334445 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so obvious now < 1294334455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ... obvious about putting two words together < 1294334461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you going to continue to be opaque or are you going to tell me what you're talking about? < 1294334483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is obvious that shutup had to get sgeo's channel message information through _someone_ in this channel < 1294334484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1294334501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise that updog is a0 < 1294334504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 line ruby script? < 1294334517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 line Ruby scripts can't feed other scripts now/ < 1294334518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1294334519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since it didn't shut up when _you_ were away, updog was the main suspect < 1294334534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/dcFS < 1294334553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lied, it's actually 12 lines. < 1294334605 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove it. Run shutup without running updog < 1294334625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would involve editing the service. also, i don't particularly feel like proving anyhting to you < 1294334652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1294334657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, clearly updog isn't _banned_ < 1294334658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are SO busted < 1294334677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you're just looking for someone to ban there's plenty of other things you could < 1294334680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, poor updog never did anything wrong < 1294334680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it was an experiment, not ... bannishment < 1294334702 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Such as Sgeo < 1294334740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks at extraneous ls < 1294334751 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just one l is extraneous < 1294334763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's one too much t < 1294334777 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you willing to help on the Cube or not? < 1294334787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but perhaps not today < 1294334788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1294334789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1294334791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right now < 1294334808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have Important Things irl < 1294334822 0 :updog!~updog@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294334827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor < 1294334830 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1294334837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess shutup isn't awake yet < 1294334841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, what's that, your stupid conspiracy theory isn't true?!! ZOMG < 1294334845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shutup has been online all this time < 1294334845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well shutup it _there_ < 1294334854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Idle: 9:48:43" < 1294334868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it broke because shutup is run on the same service to conserve memory on my _256 MiB_ vps, tyvm < 1294334881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you _do_ realize it is trivial for elliott to change anything and even lie about what code he is running if he wishes? < 1294334885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning their network connections interact rather oddly < 1294334898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you going to continue being paranoid? < 1294334911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this shutup thinm < 1294334915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g < 1294334916 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the other explanation for how shutup works is... magic? < 1294334921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got stuck in minecraft mode < 1294334929 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, whenever I say certain things, shutup tells me to shutup < 1294334929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't _mind_, i'd like to restart it so that shutup starts working again < 1294334933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really. but the fact that shutup has to get its information from _someone_ in the channel remains. i doubt you have a freenode server running. < 1294334933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i won't bother if you're going to kick updog < 1294334934 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294334947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in pm? < 1294334952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes < 1294334961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1294334983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so are you going to ban updog if i restart the instance so that shutup unbreaks? < 1294334984 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294334996 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've said Factor Smalltalk Active Worlds etc. etc. more now that shutup exists... < 1294334997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was only for an experiment. there is no point in repeating it. < 1294335022 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294335034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O? < 1294335039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since Sgeo can ignore shutup any time he wants, i see no point in actually intervening. < 1294335041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm restarting them, as i said. < 1294335127 0 :updog!~updog@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294335162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, did you kick it? < 1294335170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1294335193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, updog was kicked for an experiment to see if shutup would stop reacting to my Newspeak and Active Worlds obsessions < 1294335193 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294335198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because that should leave it connected. Meaning that nonsense about network connections interacting seem even less plausible than if it had been disconnected < 1294335204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shutup now gives notices < 1294335217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm really uninterested in conspiracy theories. < 1294335228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how does it work then? Just wondering. < 1294335239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it's not _entirely_ implausible that it caused something in elliott's setup to break ;D < 1294335239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I told you, what fun would it be for me? < 1294335242 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool minecrafpt works < 1294335257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: if you buy it, you can come on our server and do menial work on the cube forever < 1294335263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, seriously, did you actually go to a crap college because your dad said so? < 1294335270 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe well I can try to connect now < 1294335276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: if it's a pirated copy it won't work < 1294335282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sgeo does everything because his dad said so < 1294335284 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I bought it < 1294335290 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware it would be crap, but I pretty much went there because my dad said to < 1294335297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ah. ask ineiros for the address < 1294335298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Christ... < 1294335308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sgeo regularly checks with his dad if it's OK to keep breathing. < 1294335321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you neither have Finn privilege or South African privilege so you have to go through normal channels < 1294335322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst part is that there's actually an intelligent person in there somewhere, kept down by a barrage of conditioned stupidity. < 1294335391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i can even imagine him being honest about what code updog is running, as long as he has something listening in between :) < 1294335391 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294335413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't precisely know how to do that myself < 1294335422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or maybe -- JUST maybe -- it works in a way you haven't thought of yet < 1294335446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you said it doesn't read logs on the web... does it use mercurial at all? < 1294335448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well listening to one of the logs i think would be too resource intensive < 1294335449 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this ominous feeling that is was a huge mistake to buy this and I will not have any time for anything else :| < 1294335459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, gregor would know if it did < 1294335460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: YUP < 1294335464 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1294335465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you've already denied that < 1294335471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: welcome to the rest of your life < 1294335523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i can imagine many ways to set it up, but no plausible ones that don't require an accomplice on the channel < 1294335539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it doesn't have to be updog. < 1294335540 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294335547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am master of the implausible < 1294335560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it _is_ suspicious that it stopped when i kicked updog. < 1294335561 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294335603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if elliott wanted, he could switch it over to him then remove updog, as a "demonstration" that it wasn't updog < 1294335604 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294335614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, we have lambdabot < 1294335623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah < 1294335623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, permanently too. < 1294335627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1294335629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: zomg, you should like, write an essay about that < 1294335633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about misplaced trust! < 1294335658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can lambdabot be an accomplice? < 1294335674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I got a 100% on the essay < 1294335685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and now you are applying your learnings to updog < 1294335686 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294335692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a question for the ages < 1294335785 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294335807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>updog< Factor < 1294335807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-shutup- Shut up about Factor! < 1294335807 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294335819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: as i said, sharing the same connection < 1294335822 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor < 1294335857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo_not_really < 1294335866 0 :Sgeo_not_really!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActiveWorlds < 1294335874 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181130179.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294335925 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'd ask you how that even makes sense in any way whatsoever other than updog being the source, but < 1294335926 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294335961 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously.. are you not running a normal OS on that machine, just wrote your own hastily written network stack? < 1294335972 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww I think my computer is too slow to actually run this game < 1294335981 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a decent speed < 1294335992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: go into options < 1294335995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendering distance short or tiny < 1294335997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphics on fast < 1294336000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not fancy) < 1294336003 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game? < 1294336007 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft < 1294336007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: minecrack. < 1294336011 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294336027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly haskell invaders, this is secretly #minecraft < 1294336037 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1294336039 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed < 1294336049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know i don't give him the logs < 1294336058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OMG DON'T TELL THEM < 1294336060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a mirc script < 1294336067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i don't know if lambdabot can be an accomplice but that _is_ why i was browsing the channel member listing ;D < 1294336085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what the fuck, man, your big chest is actually full < 1294336118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, given the evidence, there's a LOT pointing to updog currently being the accomplice < 1294336118 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294336128 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A parking lot even < 1294336129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1294336163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what < 1294336174 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bad pun < 1294336229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: full of sand? < 1294336235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or full of sand and gravel < 1294336239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sand and gravel < 1294336243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just filled it up to the max < 1294336258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a big box full of multiple things is not a pure box, and is useless < 1294336266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i didn't put the gravel there < 1294336267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make another box for gravel < 1294336271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : silly haskell invaders, this is secretly #minecraft <-- actually it is #would-be-offtopic-if-anyone-ever-was-on-topic but freenode limits the name length so we had to go for something else < 1294336335 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how broken is your custom network stack? < 1294336347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: pretty broken. also, it's not a "network stack". < 1294336437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realize that you're not convincing anyone, right? < 1294336453 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/FuYln.jpg < 1294336457 0 :Sgeo_not_really!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, why do you actually want a full big box of sand? < 1294336460 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this built programmatically? < 1294336465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i don't care? < 1294336470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: might be, might not < 1294336477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: not if it's on multiplayer ofc < 1294336484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i can see someone building that by hand < 1294336489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a "huge" project to do so < 1294336492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_not_really: i just do alright? :\ < 1294336504 0 :Sgeo_not_really!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Falcon < 1294336510 0 :Sgeo_not_really!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1294336510 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_O < 1294336532 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway < 1294336556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds likely that the ellipse has been computed unmanually < 1294336564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1294336713 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, feel free to test shutup by msg'ing updog < 1294336714 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294336745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not called Sgeo, it would do nothing. < 1294336754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo_ < 1294336758 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo_test < 1294336763 0 :Sgeo_test!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor < 1294336768 0 :Sgeo_test!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, true < 1294336771 0 :Sgeo_test!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1294336780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo_ < 1294336793 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, would he need to be identified to PM? < 1294336909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: build us a chest for gravel, i have more sand to put in < 1294336927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll build you a forest of chests when i get to it < 1294336944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: er please don't < 1294336952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll plant a 256x256 forest and replace log with chests < 1294336966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so you can't open any of them < 1294336968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1294336971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294336977 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't get it < 1294337010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1294337032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "THIS LARGE CHEST IS FULL OF DIAMOND. TOO BAD I PUT BEDROCK ON TOP." < 1294337045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294337062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never a diamond box .( < 1294337074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a one-eyed sad < 1294337081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294337116 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION acts pseudooffended < 1294337166 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how's your linux project < 1294337179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: which < 1294337199 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there was no specific quantifier :-D < 1294337205 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, if elliott's telling the truth, AND updog and shutup are running on it... he's failing miserably < 1294337205 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294337213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what < 1294337216 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what < 1294337229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: kitten or installing ubuntu on this laptop or what < 1294337240 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ubuntu on laptop < 1294337260 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order for you to be telling the truth about updog not being shutup's source, shutup must be confusing updog's input with its own < 1294337260 0 :updog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's updog? < 1294337267 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a sign of dementia at the OS level < 1294337280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ is dementia < 1294337326 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wants DementedOS < 1294337392 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how is ubuntu laptop coming along? < 1294337409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: not at all until someone responds to my ubuntuforums post < 1294337419 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders when he'll receive the email from PayPal describing why, exactly, someone who makes $38/year is not eligible for their credit card thing < 1294337421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems unlikely, at this point < 1294337432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: just get a debit card < 1294337457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, isn't it fairly obvious? < 1294337485 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but still. < 1294337499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: so get a debit card? < 1294337514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i forgot you'd have to ask your father ... because 21 year olds can't get debit cards < 1294337518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot, sorry, ignore me < 1294337571 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294337571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: just send them money with a bank transfer < 1294337628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no he'd have to ask his dad < 1294337632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his dad thinks bank transfers are bad < 1294337635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1294337833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=54784 < 1294337836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol < 1294337857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have to say, that animation under Usage is something I would love to see in your mcmap. < 1294337888 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, .... tbh I told my dad that I was angry and that I was going to go get a debit card... and he said he'll look into it, he's going to Wal-Mart anyway, so he'll get one for me < 1294338010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get you at all < 1294338062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could easily have an "surface except up to max-height" mode, but I don't have an isometric view at all. < 1294338099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would his dad know if he gets a bank account and makes a transfer < 1294338112 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294338125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well Sgeo_ would ask him of course < 1294338135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: psht! < 1294338187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'd add it, except I only do _easy_ work < 1294338199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's an offline map-browser thing? The word "live" confused me. < 1294338207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it is? A shame. < 1294338218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Having said that... an isometric mode would be amazing... albeit slow. < 1294338233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From the file menu you can select Worlds 1-5 from single-player minecraft on your system or any world folder, including server worlds." < 1294338277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What; M-x new-frame makes the font reset. < 1294338302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/107712/MCMap%20Screenshots/ss5.png Also this would be nice in real-time. : < 1294338303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1294338342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll consider isometricry and/or other prettification things too. And some sort of block-finder, that could be nice too. < 1294338368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys take the venture out of adventure < 1294338381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1294338388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't actually use mcmap's mapping < 1294338394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use it for the //goto < 1294338417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i understand that, although i'd prefer minecarts that are easier to use < 1294338448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you _sure_ you're right clicking them :D < 1294338486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you push them, then you right click a random number of times, and hope an odd number of clicks is done, then you wait to see something, and you'll know whether you're in the cart or whether the cart has run away < 1294338508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you push them, you right click once, and you wait < 1294338508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope, because every fifth click works < 1294338516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it fails it's because ineiros is skyping < 1294338555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so maybe minecarts are special like that < 1294338589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes it takes me a few minutes to get a click to work < 1294338607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just prefer preset warp destinations; maybe I'll have ineiros finally add some when he visits. < 1294338618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i love complaining about this, i'm like an old lady telling everyone how much her hips her < 1294338623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hurt < 1294338636 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurt hips her? < 1294338650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :her hips hurt her < 1294338669 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :her hurt hips her < 1294338672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway previous is corrected < 1294338672 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is being sill < 1294338674 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1294338683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works too < 1294338685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her hip hurt herds her. < 1294338707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:44:10 I've decided that my honeymoon with VirtualBox is over. < 1294338708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1294338711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the marriage breaks down already < 1294338713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm weeping < 1294338726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess all that cheating on Vorpal VirtualBox did just got too much < 1294338749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err. What? < 1294338779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sgeo_ broke up with VirtualBox and started a new love affair with VMWare < 1294338787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's because of all the time VirtualBox is spending with YOU < 1294338801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, gah. vmware is even worse. Though I am looking for a good alternative to virtualbox what with oracle and so on now < 1294338807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vmware SERVER no less < 1294338811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did inva enter server btw? < 1294338815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ? < 1294338819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: who is inva < 1294338820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh j-invariant < 1294338824 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to shoot VMWare Server before I ever touched her < 1294338831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm telling him to ask ineiros, but you could just tell j-invariant the address < 1294338832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\Sigma^*inva\Sigma^* < 1294338835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're oklopol so nobody would blame you < 1294338847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I used that.. back before virtualbox exited (or at least before it was well known). But yeah it is annoying. And isn't modern versions browser based too < 1294338849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294338852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never used modern versions) < 1294338853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1294338854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yup! < 1294338865 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes. Yes it is. < 1294338867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:49:59 I'm pretty sure pikhq warned me about this, but I ignored him because I thought he was talking about crappy internal architecture < 1294338871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water blocks toilet paper, yup < 1294338874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1294338875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:00:06 fizzie, a question about mcmap: does water really block tp? Because when you ended up sub-surface in an unloaded chunk tp out of there would be /very/ useful < 1294338897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:05:22 would be nice to get home, i managed to convince myself i had a way to look at coordinates as much as i like, and decided to take a random walk < 1294338899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a home now? < 1294338911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:06:14 a red square goes on top of the numbers < 1294338911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:06:24 oklopol, ah yes, I heard that was a problem on smaller screens < 1294338912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294338913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't the fucking screen size < 1294338914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cpu usage < 1294338916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, temporary home < 1294338918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more cpu usage = it blocks the indicator < 1294338920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VMware Server before their *revolting* AJAX UI wasn't bad. < 1294338922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any place yet < 1294338942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't the greatest thing ever, but it had an entirely usable and working GTK UI, and it just plain worked. < 1294338949 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually screen size matters too, this system is bogged down under mc, but the screen is large. < 1294338956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, it doesn't fucking work and it HAS ITS OWN COPY OF EVERYTHING < 1294338962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well obviously mc uses up all my cpu, so maybe i should just force it to be low while reading coords < 1294338981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or just use mcmap and //coords when fizzie makes a working windows binary :p < 1294338985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:12:01 Phantom_Hoover, idea: get worldedit hmod plugin. stand next to water, use //drain 128 < 1294338988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cuboid plugin does that. < 1294338989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1294338993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, no. < 1294339002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"minecraft would be so much better if we didn't have to mine or craft!" < 1294339006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Did you try out the win-binary, incidentally? < 1294339009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or explore" < 1294339011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he just wants coords < 1294339018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:08:19 The no-map mode might work if you just need a //goto. < 1294339018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:08:46 For me it crashed on //goto, but it looked like it actually teleported first, so it might sorta-work. < 1294339018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:08:47 all i want is to look at coordinates < 1294339019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:08:51 Oh. < 1294339020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a windows binary, forgot about ti < 1294339021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:09:05 Well, I don't think that works in nomap mode yet. < 1294339023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:09:20 I can fixize that after I get home. < 1294339025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO QUOTE THE LOGS < 1294339027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HOME YET < 1294339054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cuboid is less well written from what I read. Not quite notch quality but buggier definitely. (And worldedit has more features as well.) < 1294339064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1294339082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i only know cuboid from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaigDxHBKbA, which is my favourite video ever < 1294339082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you do get coords in the mappy mode, but I guess that's less likely to work. Anyway, just came home. < 1294339096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute. < 1294339101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so if worldedit can do that then SURE < 1294339102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's cute < 1294339111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sony claims they'll be "fixing the issues" with the PS3 using a network update. < 1294339132 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1294339163 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I should have listened to you < 1294339166 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so sorry < 1294339172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it can be effective. < 1294339187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the only thing that could do anything about this is: adding a new layer of signing onto new games plus a whitelist for all the old games. *On a new revision of hardware.* < 1294339189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: means that for anyone who hasn't yet homebrew'd the console, the only way to do it is hardware modding < 1294339226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i.e., there's three types of machine: updated ones, can't be hacked except by hardware mods; already-hacked ones; and new ones, which are invulnerable < 1294339226 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you actually play this game? < 1294339227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't answer until I watched video. But one think I did was select a huge area (200x200) then expand the selection to bottom of map and replace everything but air with stone. Worked perfectly and as happened so fast it seemed instant. < 1294339229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an idael situation (for sony) < 1294339230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ideal < 1294339240 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can build < 1294339244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: mine stuff, build a shelter, get armour, find a nice mountain, start a mine < 1294339248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: make farms, kill bad things < 1294339251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: build interesting stuff < 1294339253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wire it all together < 1294339253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explore < 1294339253 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This, of course, presumes that Sony does it perfectly. < 1294339256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/think/thing/ < 1294339272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, creates new keys and a whitelist, and introduces *no new vulnerabilities*. < 1294339288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should be hideously irresponsible with the server address right now! < 1294339294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the new keys would of course have to be in the mask for future CPUs. < 1294339294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or j-invariant could just read the logs i guess :P < 1294339305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also invalidates the old keys < 1294339307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be several months before we start seeing that. < 1294339316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "Whitelist". < 1294339333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to break THAT! < 1294339333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes it can fill a selection with lava like that. < 1294339336 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: eh, ok < 1294339342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make a hacker which has the exact same signature as a legit game. < 1294339343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUH < 1294339350 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also, this totally assumes that they don't use a cracked PS3 to download the update and pick it apart < 1294339350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, something like //set lava after making a selection < 1294339351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i linked it because it was funny not because i thought worldedit couldn't do it < 1294339369 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294339371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh I must have misinterpreted your line " Vorpal: so if worldedit can do that then SURE" then < 1294339373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this will only prevent homebrew from happening on new consoles, anyways. < 1294339383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if worldedit can generate SUCH HILARITY then sure. < 1294339389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The update *will have to be* encrypted with the old keys. < 1294339392 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess it's a bit late for me to buy a PS3? < 1294339397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1294339399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: not if you do it NOW < 1294339399 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but then they can break the new keys < 1294339402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that you will *have* the new keys. < 1294339408 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the new keys will have to be encoded in the same way < 1294339411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So piracy on old hardware will happen forever and ever. < 1294339421 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then piracy on new keys will happen the same way < 1294339427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am trying to figure out how to do the packet_id enum in SML sanely :D < 1294339428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn your C < 1294339430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is literally nothing Sony can do about it at all. < 1294339441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: there is definitely not the address of the minecraft server in yesterday's logs. < 1294339446 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you will have the public keys though, which shouldn't be private, so? Oh, unless you intercept it? < 1294339448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, you're actually doing the ML rewrite? < 1294339449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right oklopol? < 1294339455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i'm... toying with the idea :D < 1294339459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it might not actually include the map part < 1294339460 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also worldedit can generate snowfall. Might be useful up around dw's place < 1294339467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: The public keys are sufficient for doing piracy on cracked firmware. < 1294339468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it's symmetric encryption < 1294339471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1294339482 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that seems... stupid < 1294339495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's assymmetric, but all PS3s have the public key. < 1294339495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sony, stupid? haha you lie < 1294339503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice if you could just disable the bad thingies in some areas < 1294339504 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I have now produced a Windows mcmap binary that has working //coords, and it worked for me (in nomap mode) under Wine: http://zem.fi/~fis/mcmap-win.zip < 1294339505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mhm < 1294339509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: fizzie ^ < 1294339514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *supposed* to be in a SPU that you can't normally access. < 1294339527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "mcmap -cm a322.org:25566" in a cmd window < 1294339532 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The public keys are sufficient for doing piracy on cracked firmware." < 1294339532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then connect to 127.0.0.1 with minecraft < 1294339536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and do //coords in chat < 1294339539 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why? < 1294339544 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can just replicate the attack method on the new keys on old hardware, can't they? < 1294339546 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that make.. I'm confused < 1294339555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not if sony redoes the encryption without stupid < 1294339558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should have a Win32-specific launch dialog where you enter the host/port and select the options, since aren't Windows users in general rather uncomfortable with the command line? < 1294339562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Decrypt stuff with the new keys, and run it on firmware that doesn't do the key check. < 1294339594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does mcmap give up permanently whenever it sees an invalid password? < 1294339596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The key revealing actually came because Sony did their signing algorithm retardedly. < 1294339606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could have each packet ID written twice (one in the data type, one in an int -> packet_id converter) < 1294339608 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1294339610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's actually not anything on the PS3 itself at *all*. < 1294339617 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1294339623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:45 fizzie: I think it should have a Win32-specific launch dialog where you enter the host/port and select the options, since aren't Windows users in general rather uncomfortable with the command line? < 1294339628 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just makes me want to design some weird 2D cellular automata < 1294339630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you _want_ to encourage clueless windows users to use this? < 1294339640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: do it in redstone < 1294339644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Sony's "security" architecture is positively retarded. < 1294339645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoL has been done < 1294339666 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in minecaft? I dind't mean in minecraft < 1294339670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: with arbitrary code execution *at all*, you can decrypt everything ever even without access to the keys that you shouldn't be able to access. < 1294339672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: :D < 1294339676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: everything in your life is minecraftn ow < 1294339678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Market adoption, I hear it's important. And it gives up permanently whenever the TCP connection is closed. (It doesn't look at the login packets otherwise, except for reading the player entity ID out of it.) < 1294339685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: er invalid packet < 1294339690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The decryption SPU can be used as a decryption oracle so long as you're running code. < 1294339694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what does it do if it sees an invalid packet? < 1294339695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give up forever? < 1294339700 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Category theory is a popular framework for expressing abstract properties of < 1294339700 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical structures. < 1294339701 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1294339705 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. that's one way to put it < 1294339714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, the PS3 is fucked 15 different ways. < 1294339725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, yes, because it's impossible to guess where the invalid packet would end. I guess it could *try* to resync, but I'm not sure how likely that is to work. < 1294339731 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, elliott is morally opposed to anything that is popular. < 1294339742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: um are you _defending_ Windows < 1294339754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there will *be* arbitrary code execution exploits: you write software for it in C. < 1294339756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or C++. < 1294339761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying that the kind of people who won't open cmd.exe to type "mcmap blah" are the kind of people who are going to produce the whining fizzie loathes so < 1294339777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they can't figure out where to whine. < 1294339788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they whine, say, on the minecraft forums, that's not a loss for me. < 1294339792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sgeo_'s right here. < 1294339798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more seriously-- < 1294339802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you really want to touch the win32 api? :-) < 1294339812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while; it might be nostalgick. < 1294339814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it is _quite_ loathesome. < 1294339845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already looked at the dialog resource script file format, it's very awful. (MinGW of course doesn't have a dialog designer thing.) < 1294339886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Win binary without the mapping feature might not be very popular, though. < 1294339894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Just do it all with those OK/Cancel default MsgBoxes. < 1294339895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course there's the denial-of-service thing. < 1294339903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Is the first bit of the address 0?" < 1294339940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I think //goto is rather good justification for never letting this out ever. (Even if you removed it, just takes one intrepid commit-logger...) < 1294339949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since it has been verified to do Awful Things. < 1294339977 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't Notch make //goto ineffective over the relevent distances? < 1294339991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: The reason //goto works is because his server architecture is completely broken. < 1294340000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not expect he could redesign it to be less broken, as he is an idiot. < 1294340026 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How DOES it work? < 1294340034 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1294340035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, his todo list hints that //goto is pretty likely to be nerfed in the future. < 1294340072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You still haven't shown why really. < 1294340077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Telling you that seems ... unwise. < 1294340078 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple maximum-speed check for PLAYER_MOVE messages would make it unworkable. < 1294340091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What entry in his todo list implies it'll be fixed? < 1294340095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's just PLAYER_MOVE messages? < 1294340121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The highest-priority "Make the server check for flying, no clip and increased speed." one? < 1294340122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix(([1,2]++).drop 2.(uncurry replicate=<<).flip zip(cycle[1,2])) < 1294340123 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,... < 1294340126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It works by sending 20 of them with subtly invalid fields that confuse the server in a specific way. < 1294340131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There, now don't abuse it. < 1294340141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, isn't that from the Classic era? < 1294340147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I know flying was ubiquitous then. < 1294340157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think noclip is possible with Alpha, but it was with Classic. < 1294340170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the context is "Before beta", so technically speaking all three things should be already done. :p < 1294340173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. < 1294340186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think he's sort of given up with that toodledo list.) < 1294340227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While we [Mojang] were doing this [having a strategy meeting], there was a film crew on place (since Monday, actually), documenting and interviewing." < 1294340237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, expect a "Minecraft: the making of" hip-cumentary. < 1294340246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's like a documentary, except more hip.) < 1294340288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have you excavated recently by any chance? < 1294340289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, and I’ve finally committed the Music Blocks to the repository. < 1294340289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, wait, no, I didn’t.. Doing so broke git, so we’re changing to svn because git is horrible and evil)" < 1294340299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...did he say that. < 1294340301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did Notch say that. < 1294340306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please tell me Notch didn't say that. < 1294340308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's in his glob. < 1294340315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm going to punch him IRL. < 1294340322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when it seems imminent that it will be fixed, we make the server crash bug public and watch the anarchy. < 1294340322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He has circlejerks^Wmeetups, right? < 1294340332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Evil, but ... fun. But evil. < 1294340334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ... fun ... < 1294340345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but probably some sort of events, yes. < 1294340350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Extremely* fun. < 1294340389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK. So theoretically I could go and punch him. < 1294340392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless he has fan bodyguards? < 1294340462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If this gets a bunch of upvotes, I'll write and record a concept album about Creepers, and release it for free in February." < 1294340465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to punch everyone. < 1294340501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm kind of sad to see him diss git like that. I really enjoy it, and it has lots of advantages over svn. It's a shame he ran into problems. (But.. svn?? There are other options, man! It's not like you're committing large binary files!)" < 1294340505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, please, bet on the following statement: < 1294340513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notch is committing large binary files to the Minecraft repository." < 1294340574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Phantom_Hoover: Also bet on: "Adventure mode will exist in the first post-beta release." < 1294340585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Music Blocks" does sound pretty much like large binary files. < 1294340614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Music blocks is this new block type he's adding. < 1294340619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It toots or something. < 1294340623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source: Twatter. < 1294340641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, apparently they're trying to "come up with a release date" for Minecraft already. < 1294340648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are all Swedes stupid, or is my sample size just deficient? < 1294340683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, me and olsner aren't stupid < 1294340690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, olsner isn't stupid. < 1294340693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe just most Swedes then. < 1294340711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why has Notch abandoned Git? < 1294340723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:57 fizzie: "Oh, and I’ve finally committed the Music Blocks to the repository. < 1294340723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:57 fizzie: (Oh, wait, no, I didn’t.. Doing so broke git, so we’re changing to svn because git is horrible and evil)" < 1294340726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Notch has no brain. < 1294340740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294340748 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1294340763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch has stolen the concept of Minecraft from the world; nobody can ever execute it properly, because the accusations of plagiarism will be non-stop. < 1294340772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose a lynching. < 1294340817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, me and olsner aren't stupid <-- you _have_ to be the straight man, don't you? :D < 1294340843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i do wonder if he really missed my "subtle" insult, or whether he just decided to ignore it for the sake of anti-comedy < 1294340855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anti-comedy is not the result of anti-jokes, it is the result of being anti-joke) < 1294340878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti-jokes are, of course, hilarious. < 1294340935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, FWIW, I added "Complaining About People Not Liking The Show" to MC's TV Tropes page. < 1294340940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countdown to revert... < 1294340962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: THAT IS A SUBJECTIVE TROPE < 1294340965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :br < 1294340968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brb < 1294340982 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch's fans seem to be using the Diaspora excuse to excuse his issues < 1294341010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Was originally a Spiritual Successor of the free Infiniminer" < 1294341019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zach must fucking hate Notch. < 1294341042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW, Survival Test is now completely gone. < 1294341264 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: snpidcoc < 1294341275 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1294341308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you force ineiros' IP to change to something really easily-guessable? < 1294341328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to mc < 1294341367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: DON'T WORRY IF YOU'RE GOING ON THE SERVER I'M AT THE SPAWN TO HELP GUIDE YOU >:D < 1294341434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Somewhat averted by Alpha Update 1.0.15. Wood and other flammable blocks now catch fire up to three blocks away from lava." < 1294341435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the rules. < 1294341465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, I just realised all the slogan texts are gone, it just says "finally beta now" (just realised: just read on the tv tropes page) < 1294341466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1294341609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finally beta" now < 1294341711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: DON'T WORRY IF YOU'RE GOING ON THE SERVER I'M AT THE SPAWN TO HELP GUIDE YOU >:D" <<< i am not at spawn tho < 1294341761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting; the "Finally beta!" string comes from a try { ... } catch (Exception e) { l = "Finally beta!"; } code-structure. < 1294341774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: X-D < 1294341784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though the /title/splashes.txt is still there in the .jar. < 1294341790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how he's hardcodeded it. < 1294341790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello again. < 1294341797 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294341826 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next trope to add to Minecraft: Idiot Programming. < 1294341842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, BtW, http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Eric_S._Raymond&diff=709079&oldid=708724 < 1294341855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Seen, and mentioned to you ages ago. < 1294341860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than before, so I won't argue. < 1294341862 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you did? < 1294341863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1294341864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before = before i edited) < 1294341889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that his work in computing is generally respectable. < 1294341910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, uh, fetchmail. < 1294341912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Respectable. < 1294341913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: "mcmap -cm a322.org:25566" in a cmd window" <<< it just tells me how to use mcmap < 1294341916 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *generally*. < 1294341920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ... < 1294341924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what did you type, in full < 1294341930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did ou type -exactly- that :P < 1294341931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you < 1294341932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copied that exactly < 1294341934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fetchmail is in the category of embarrassingly wrong. < 1294341940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1294341955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone have a link summing up MC's stupid technical problems? < 1294341962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, it doesn't: it actually comes from something like try { ...; l = splashes.get(rnd.nextInt(splashes.size())); goto bleh; } catch (Exception e) { bleh: l = "Finally beta!"; } ... assuming I read the bytecode right. So it actually selects a random splash, then rewrites it with that. < 1294341969 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294341980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just a series of links to examples of Notch's idiocy. < 1294341995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: That's weirdistic. But admittedly I have only tried it with wine. What about "mcmap dummy -cm a322.org:25566"? < 1294342029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess that won't hep, since it'd anyway just miss the -cm part. < 1294342049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:25 Phantom_Hoover: Someone have a link summing up MC's stupid technical problems? < 1294342057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why do you assume the badness of things is always summed up in links < 1294342062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... :D < 1294342067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I manually split the command line I get from GetCommandLine() at spaces, since that one includes the program name, unlike the WinMain lpCmdLine param.) < 1294342069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's for the TV Tropes page. < 1294342085 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want at least *some* evidence before I call Notch an idiot. < 1294342086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just figure out how to make mingw build a binary with a traditional "main". < 1294342091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or add that launcher dialog! < 1294342099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well it's _meant_ to just work. :p < 1294342111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That :D was from the bleh: thing. < 1294342112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1294342139 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it doesn't want to "just work" for me. < 1294342150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, me and olsner aren't stupid <-- you _have_ to be the straight man, don't you? :D <-- hah < 1294342158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Vorpal isn't gay < 1294342171 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294342182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: look at random pages on minecraft wiki, "pigs stopped working after the halloween update due to the texture of cobblestone being changed" < 1294342252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: <33 < 1294342255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me that's true < 1294342255 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MinGW crt1.c supposedly has this: < 1294342257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Call the main function. If the user does not supply one < 1294342257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * the one in the 'libmingw32.a' library will be linked in, and < 1294342257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * that one calls WinMain. See main.c in the 'lib' dir < 1294342257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * for more details. < 1294342261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294342262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i would really like that to be actually true < 1294342266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i can actaully believe it < 1294342269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be pretty awesome. < 1294342276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, it's supposed to use a user-supplied main when there is one. < 1294342282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that problem with trees inflooping cause by something unrelated < 1294342287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: turns out he procedurally generated the pig texture based on the cobblestone one, obviously < 1294342291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*caused < 1294342294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, stores state in the unused parts of the texture < 1294342294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1294342298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what. < 1294342308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or, better: the pig and cobblestone code is completely unrelated < 1294342313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pig code doesn't even touch the texture code < 1294342313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1294342314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that idiot programming trope is going up NOW. < 1294342319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: note: this is lies < 1294342319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294342325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't matter. < 1294342327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just very true lies < 1294342340 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still such a crazy bug it qualifies by itself. < 1294342357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it isn't real < 1294342382 0 :BMG!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1294342394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1294342415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Republicans in the House read the US Constitution upon opening the current session of Congress... < 1294342422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*And intentionally omitted parts*. < 1294342431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oaky leaf decay caused infloops in leaves. still kind of weird that was not something he could just quickly fix. < 1294342435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1294342438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, I think it's a SDL problem, in fact. The SDL.h header does: #if defined(__WIN32__) ... #define main SDL_main ...; and then there's supposed to be some sort of a SDL winmain.c that calls it. How very messy. < 1294342440 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294342442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah yes, leaf decay is very oaky. < 1294342445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OH YEAH, SDL_main < 1294342449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the ⅗ths compromise... < 1294342451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I had to do stuff with that once < 1294342457 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where is your ubuntuforums post? < 1294342458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just rename main to SLD_main < 1294342460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SDL_main < 1294342464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1658418 < 1294342471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for all platforms < 1294342472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which stated that, for the purposes of the census, a slave will be considered ⅗ths of a person.) < 1294342475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and it'll Work Out Perfectly IIRC < 1294342491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't disable the map, what'll happen? < 1294342495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the balls to try myself < 1294342499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'd still like some examples of completely stupid bugs. < 1294342499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you'll probably die < 1294342504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but i'd wait until fizzie fizes :P < 1294342505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixes < 1294342511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzes < 1294342513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1294342514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: placing torches on leaves used to only work in fancy...or was it fast < 1294342518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the shop open i want stuff < 1294342519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it worked when you put it back < 1294342531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in they didn't disappear < 1294342556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pains me to say this, but I can't add the trope with that evidence. < 1294342597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact he clearly codes every new enemy from scratch should be evidence enough < 1294342609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's tons of evidence for that: every object works slightly differently < 1294342620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant < 1294342621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mean < 1294342635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :details do, even though the relevant things are the same for them < 1294342659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm not being very helpful, but the point is it's weird if no one has collected this stuff in a list < 1294342666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's evidence everywhere < 1294342710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway shoppe tyme < 1294342811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it only works if with SDL_main if I also statically link in -lSDLmain, and I'm not sure I want to do that. I guess it's sort-of recommended-by-some, but it breaks e.g. the otherwise legal "int main(void)". (And -lSDLmain is not part of SDL's pkg-config flags.) I think I'll just crudely work-around it in the win32 build, that one is allowed to be ugly. < 1294342839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, but I think it's like that for a Reason. < 1294342843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SDL needs special initialising on win32 I think. < 1294342914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a random page: "Currently, slimes cannot spawn naturally, but this will most likely be fixed." <<< why the fuck do they have their own spawning code? < 1294342926 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294342947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what the fuck is hard about using a function to calculate prob of appearing from height, and then adding a certain kind of tile on the map < 1294342951 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294342951 0 :BMG!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294342954 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he wants to make them into puddings < 1294342954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck can you have a bug in that < 1294342954 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1294343092 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1294343165 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did oko get it started or what actually happened? < 1294343200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Get what started. < 1294343205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not on the server at least. < 1294343206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcmap. < 1294343267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, he hasn't tried it since the first error afaik. < 1294343277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time I got even the mappy version started, and there's a map and all, but then it hung up after two chat messages and downloading most of the initial chunks. < 1294343287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In Wine.) < 1294343312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is probably wrong there, but Wine-testing is so crummy. < 1294343356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can try the same URL again, it has a "regular" main now so maybe the command line args work too. (Then again, maybe not.) < 1294343360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, according to Slashdot, converting the string "2.2250738585072011e-308" into a floating point number sends PHP 5.2 and 5.3 into an infinite loop < 1294343372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not /just/ Excel that has problems with float stringification < 1294343388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, you wonder how that was discovered... < 1294343482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: welcome to three days ago < 1294343487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: redownload it < 1294343637 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you tried resizing the existing mac partition(s) and putting a new partition on there? < 1294343648 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1294343651 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the hard drive.. < 1294343701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Uhh, I did that before any of this ... you do realise my issue is actually getting the LiveCD booted, right? < 1294343703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, liveUSB. < 1294343724 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you don't want ubuntu permanently on your laptop? < 1294343739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You have a way to install Ubuntu without booting the live media now? < 1294343745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not about to use Wubi. < 1294343750 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1294343753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: orly. < 1294343760 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: install ubuntu on another computer, and clone the partition over < 1294343764 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done that 1304758203475 times < 1294343766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: not an option. < 1294343769 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1294343783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any even vaguely-similar hardware. plus, the fstab would be fucked up and probably all kinds of shit would break subtly. < 1294343788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the fstab uses guids nowadays.) < 1294343792 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardware doesn't matter < 1294343796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, elliott: If it still doesn't work, I'll just build a windows binary that hardcodes the command line options. < 1294343802 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been swapping the same hard drive between 3 different cpu architectures < 1294343811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: cpu is irrelevant. < 1294343813 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works straight away (well i have to reboot once) < 1294343818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: for instance < 1294343821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: bootloader installation < 1294343823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no other EFI machines < 1294343825 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294343833 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootloader is different < 1294343834 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! < 1294343847 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe there is the grub installer for macos too < 1294343866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yeaaaah no, it's probably grub-efi < 1294343867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sucks < 1294343879 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell it to install grub on disk n partition k and it does it all automagically < 1294343879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really only want to go the live-media route. < 1294343882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should not be difficult. < 1294343894 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's grub-efi and why is it bad? < 1294343895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macos is what mcdonald's calls tacos < 1294343905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: grub-efi is grub-efi and it's bad because linux efi support sucks < 1294343915 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's efi? < 1294343933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294343934 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not apple-compatible, i don't know those things < 1294343941 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294343950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for connection < 1294343968 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294343969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: if you don't know what efi is, the chances of you being able to help me are close to 0. < 1294343974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it's basically the entire problem < 1294343984 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well if you explain it to me then i will know it! < 1294343996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: When it says "waiting for connection", it means you have to start minecraft and connect to 127.0.0.1. < 1294344005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or presumably "localhost".) < 1294344005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: dentistry is about toothcare. can you give me a filling? < 1294344007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know! < 1294344015 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i can try! :D < 1294344075 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you don't want grub at all, yes? < 1294344085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i do < 1294344095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want normal grub, as the ubuntu live media installs perfectly on macs when it is booted. < 1294344111 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't think it's a special grub that there is < 1294344121 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm, that sounded funny < 1294344132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Yes, there is, grub-efi. < 1294344138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _do_ know this shit. < 1294344149 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about running ubuntu in parallels < 1294344158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to run ubuntu as my main os. also, parallels is crap. < 1294344167 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean just once < 1294344178 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can run it in parallels, have the normal grub install stuff, and you could boot ubuntu. < 1294344180 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1294344206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: considering parallels emulates a "normal" BIOS PC, I'd put the chances of that working fairly low ... but more importantly, I don't think parallels can read/write to an existing system partition < 1294344252 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you on mac set another partition as "bootable" like on pcs? < 1294344280 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294344351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: umm, sort of. but that wouldn't help. < 1294344367 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1294344377 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you could write grub to just the linux partition, and make that partition bootable ("sort of") < 1294344380 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe it could work? < 1294344381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when someone talks, it crashes, i think < 1294344389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you didn't make it use readline did you < 1294344393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I've noticed something like that too. < 1294344395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i already wrote grub to a partition, sort of < 1294344395 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1294344399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could only find a floppy image of grub 1 < 1294344406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help :) < 1294344426 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe grub 2 could be better, sort of? < 1294344436 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of console.c's #ifdef'd out, it just uses the "write to file descriptor 1" approach of consolying. < 1294344448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It shouldn't have the readline thread started or anything.) < 1294344462 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes this is fixable by doing a smc reset. This should fix your USB ports: < 1294344462 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Portable computers that have a battery you should not remove on your own include MacBook Pro (Early 2009) and later, all models of MacBook Air, and MacBook (Late 2009). < 1294344462 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Shut down the computer. < 1294344462 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Plug in the MagSafe power adapter to a power source, connecting it to the Mac if its not already connected. < 1294344463 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. On the built-in keyboard, press the (left side) Shift-Control-Option keys and the power button at the same time. < 1294344466 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. Release all the keys and the power button at the same time. < 1294344470 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. Press the power button to turn on the computer. Note: The LED on the MagSafe power adapter does not change states or temporarily turn-off when you reset the SMC. < 1294344473 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source: < 1294344475 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3964 < 1294344487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: what is that from. you could have just linked me. < 1294344497 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1465614 < 1294344505 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last post < 1294344507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds suspiciously similar to "ZAP THE PRAM" of yore < 1294344522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yeah no, my usb ports work fine. < 1294344525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hrrrrm...I'm having a problem with the superdrive version. After about a few minutes of booting from the Live-CD (both Ubuntu 10.04 and an old version of Gparted) the superdrive goes dead and the usb port will not work again without a COPS reset. When booted into OS X the superdrive works fine copying whole data DVD's onto the harddrive... any thoughts?" < 1294344528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usb ports work absolutely fine < 1294344542 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they only stop working when you're trying to boot < 1294344542 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294344543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there's a guy in scotland i need you to kill < 1294344550 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yea < 1294344555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who? < 1294344561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://mikemcquaid.com/ < 1294344598 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version of macbook air do you have? < 1294344600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be bothered sifting through the blog; outline why he needs to die. < 1294344621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's complaining about my commit for stupid reasons and is a dick in other pull requests < 1294344622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/pull/3817 < 1294344631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: the latest one < 1294344635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it is literally days old < 1294344638 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's 3.2? < 1294344641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294344642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3,2 < 1294344643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 3.2 < 1294344666 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like the time i have created a reset button for my commodore < 1294344668 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1294344669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tl;dr imagine if you packaged ghc in a source distro, using the binaries like some other packages do in the source distro, rather than actually building from source, < 1294344672 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFI booting is explained in Brian Tarricones MacBookAir3,1 Gentoo install report : http://spurint.org/misc/installing-g...-macbookair31/ < 1294344672 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it requires a patch to force EFI booting in physical mode rather than virtual mode. < 1294344673 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very interesting read for anyone tweaking his/her MBA3,* < 1294344679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and you got a complaint when submitting it: < 1294344679 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source: http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10202692 < 1294344685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Please use the binaries to build GHC from source." < 1294344698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i.e.: "Make lots of computation happen to produce bit-identical binaries." < 1294344705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: note that there is no customistaion of the build possible in this case < 1294344707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*customisation < 1294344715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is exactly what's happening, except it's MLton which is basically the same < 1294344734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically MLton builds with SML/NJ, but no point downloading another compiler to build a really-slow bootstrapper. < 1294344753 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, are you using the usual installation iso for ubuntu, or the "alternative cd"? < 1294344770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: the usual iso, and i don't want to use the alternative cd. i have an ethernet adapter so i can use that for the install. < 1294344783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to efi boot, as i've said < 1294344791 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are people saying that they couldn't succeed with the usual but alternative worked < 1294344793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[If you ever make it to Sedona, AZ, I owe you a beer. Why doesn't the wiki say "You just spent an insane amount of money on Apple hardware, save yourself some pain and spring for the Superdrive and ethernet dongle" then direct folks to the Alternate CD? Would have saved me much aggravation. Thanks.]] < 1294344795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD DRIVES IN 2010 < 1294344807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to spend 60 fucking pounds just to install ubuntu < 1294344823 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is alternative going to do efi boot? < 1294344847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i mean re that thing you quoted < 1294344853 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yea < 1294344880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i bought this i kinda assumed that ubuntu had improved mac support since 2007/2008 < 1294344881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siiiigh < 1294344889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i realise it's not really their fault but still) < 1294344936 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in london you can also loan out mac hardware probably < 1294344957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not in london. and why would i want to do that < 1294344966 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were in london? < 1294344969 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you then? < 1294344989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up north < 1294344993 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1294345013 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna say go to the mac store off oxford circus and nag them until they give you a superdrive for a sec < 1294345022 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not to be :D < 1294345134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just wrote packet id parsing functions, then realised that this packet_type thing should really just be a packet ADT :D < 1294345148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: except that translating that from your C will be fun since you don't name any of the packet items < 1294345193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use that Haskell implementation as a base, it has data-type-ish packets. Though I don't think I really saw much names there either. < 1294345208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: was it you i discussed zooko's triangle with? maybe not < 1294345214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i don't actually need names come to think of it < 1294345216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: got a link to that haskell? < 1294345232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's updated to the beta protocol. < 1294345292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the early protocol bits from https://gist.github.com/727175 -- then the rest from that one wiki.) < 1294345294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Away now.) < 1294345309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, wait, I'll have to parse every parser manually won't I if I do this. < 1294345393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Erm, that is, I'll have to parse even similar-parametered ones separately. < 1294345395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it uses She. < 1294345397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SHE. < 1294345399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294345527 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-172-190.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294345894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do sha512 digests ever contain nul bytes? < 1294345914 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they do < 1294346015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suuuure :D < 1294346020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where does that guy you want me to kill live? < 1294346026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: scotland. < 1294346039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: specifically, broughty ferry. < 1294346054 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same place as Bob Servant! < 1294346107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void packet_free(gpointer packet); < 1294346111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Shouldn't that be packet_t *? < 1294346142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises that he has no idea where Dundee actually *is*. < 1294346173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, north of Fife. < 1294346218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he can get the Operative to kill him. < 1294346241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, she refused to kidnap Edwin Brady, even though that would be far less work, so that's not likely. < 1294346257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess approximately 22.16% of SHA-512 digests contain at least one 0 byte. < 1294346285 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers, with growing horror, that he has a copy of The Emperor's New Mind. < 1294346301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a gpointer so that it can be used as a free-func in one of the containers, I forget where. (Probably the queues.) < 1294346436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, you're re-hired as HHI Selector Of Components. < 1294346444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What do they do. < 1294346457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, remember? For the computeer? < 1294346460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computer < 1294346464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh god. < 1294346482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : base(n, "0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstvuwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ") < 1294346489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone got a longer digit set that doesn't have ugly shit in it? :) < 1294346525 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which ones are ugly? < 1294346535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: symbols mostly. < 1294346547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, all symbols? or are some okay? < 1294346552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ä. < 1294346552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1294346555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no. < 1294346558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too swedish < 1294346565 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :â. < 1294346569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, add the greek letters < 1294346575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :P < 1294346579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you planning to use this for? < 1294346581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good idea from Vorpal. < 1294346584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How unusual. < 1294346616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A semi-clone of fizzie's pastebin thing, except instead of doing the useless task of URL shortening as well as pastebinning, mine does private pastebinning and image hosting. < 1294346627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Except I want to make the URLs hashes, rather than evil imperative sequential IDs. < 1294346635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want short-ish URLs. :P < 1294346638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1294346653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about adding _ and - then? < 1294346657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a 32-char prefix (of a 64-char SHA-1 hash) in base 62 (0-9a-zA-Z) gives things like "8azxrfY2khCG23lFERXRWh3i4Zu". < 1294346661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Those are ugly. Especially when repeated. < 1294346670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well at least they won't be url encoded :P < 1294346678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0..15 gives: ny6WsmDgQfcMWrngBmLZO6 < 1294346679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the greek letters would be < 1294346682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and by -char I mean byte. < 1294346694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How good is a 64-bit prefix of SHA-1? :P < 1294346705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As good as a 64-bit hash. < 1294346714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um, greek letters in URLs work fine, just not Greek domains. And even those might. < 1294346720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Good enough? :p < 1294346730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they will end up encoded as %nn surely? < 1294346737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I doubt it. < 1294346748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh, even a 12-bit hash gives "ny6WsmDgQfcMWrngBmLZO6". < 1294346750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1294346754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*96-bit < 1294346767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a counter does have some advantages :P < 1294346774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the "shortest unconflicting prefix, lookup oldest-first" thing, but it does have the "URLs get longer as time passes" property. < 1294346794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And is also EVIL and STATEFUL. < 1294346812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that what your thing does? < 1294346821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just paste data uris instead. Self contained! (though it completely missed all the other points < 1294346821 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, include "$" < 1294346826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think my thing just generates a random fixed-length ID when you dont' specify one. < 1294346827 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't get url encoded < 1294346828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ew :) < 1294346833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it'll look like /etc/shadow < 1294346846 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ls: /etc/shadow: No such file or directory < 1294346868 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you just want to use a sequential numeric id? < 1294346891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:46 variable: elliott, ls: /etc/shadow: No such file or directory < 1294346897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you have preferred I said /etc/master.passwd? < 1294346904 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-} < 1294346905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and confused everyone? < 1294346914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's what freebsd calls it too btw < 1294346917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequential numeric IDs are evil and stateful, duh. < 1294346920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's why i said it. < 1294346923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable is a BSD zealot :p < 1294346926 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1294346933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought it was what os x uses < 1294346936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1294346946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Seems" to. < 1294346954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's probably some LDAP database somewhere that it _really_ uses. ;-) < 1294346963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Note that this file is consulted directly only when the system is running < 1294346963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# in single-user mode. At other times this information is provided by < 1294346963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Open Directory. < 1294346965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1294346967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was right! < 1294346970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ldap for local, so screwed < 1294346971 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and more than likely it would be possible to change one and not the other < 1294346977 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then get screwed :-} < 1294346982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apple's Open Directory architecture includes source code for both direc- < 1294346982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tory client access and directory servers. Open Directory forms the foun- < 1294346982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dation of how Mac OS X accesses all authoritative configuration informa- < 1294346984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tion (users, groups, mounts, managed desktop data, etc.). Mac OS X < 1294346985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : obtains this information via abstraction APIs, enabling use of virtually < 1294346986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION undermines Mt. Vorpal's security system with some redstone torches and some TNT. < 1294346987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : any directory system. Configuration of Open Directory is done through < 1294346990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the Directory Utility applications in /Applications/Utilities. This < 1294346992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : application can configure plugin settings, including turning on/off vari- < 1294346994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ous directory services. < 1294346995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Seems it's some custom thing. < 1294346998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Woo, now we'll never get a TNT kit. < 1294347014 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you misparsed, clearly. < 1294347024 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's LDAP-compatible, though. < 1294347028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I did? < 1294347029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to some extent. < 1294347035 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the torches for the undermining; I simply *have* some TNT. < 1294347039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1294347042 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no intention of *using* it. < 1294347046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1294347058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apple — compatible — to some extent — never a good sign. < 1294347199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, a 40 bit hash -- it'll totally last forever right? < 1294347223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 48-bit hash is about as high as I'l go. < 1294347225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're reasonably likely to have collisions when you have around 2^20 entries. < 1294347233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 2^24 for that. < 1294347282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to think: if only we wouldn't celebrate birthdays, there would be no birthday paradox, and we could get by with half as long hash functions. (What do you mean it doesn't work that way?) < 1294347295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294347318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm more asking whether a 40-bit hash might cause me problems if, say, SHA-1 is broken. OK, OK, that'll only help for intentional collisions. < 1294347320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT STILL. < 1294347334 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any quote bots here? < 1294347343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: hackego; `quote is the main command, it also greps if you give it an argument < 1294347348 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1294347348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a number in which case you have to parenthesis it < 1294347350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you worry about intentional collisions, 40 bits is quite bruteforceable even without breaking SHA-1. < 1294347351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parenthesise < 1294347352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's egrep) < 1294347357 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fizzie < 1294347361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`pastequotes [optional grep]" and "`pastenquotes" are also quite nice < 1294347370 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I want to remember one < 1294347371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: are you trying to add it? :) < 1294347373 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294347378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: `addquote foo < 1294347382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 40 bit prefixes of SHA-1 hashes to identify every entry in a combined pastebin/image database < 1294347384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FEASIBLE??? < 1294347393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or should i go for a prefix of an SHA-2 function. or just increase the size < 1294347402 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will it only add the last one - or could I say to remember one from before < 1294347410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: um you have to type it in manually < 1294347411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the foo < 1294347423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote And to think: if only we wouldn't celebrate birthdays, there would be no birthday paradox, and we could get by with half as long hash functions. (What do you mean it doesn't work that way?) < 1294347426 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah. I was thinking of something like !grab user :-} < 1294347427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :demonstration :> < 1294347482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is hackego, anyway? < 1294347501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD QUESTION < 1294347502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1294347511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1294347517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllppppppppppp < 1294347520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I killed 'im. < 1294347525 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ? < 1294347527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!HELP YOU DAMN BOT < 1294347529 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stabbed 'im with a filet knife. < 1294347542 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1294347545 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1294347556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote And to think: if only we wouldn't celebrate birthdays, there would be no birthday paradox, and we could get by with half as long hash functions. (What do you mean it doesn't work that way?) < 1294347557 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb EgoBot and HackEgo < 1294347566 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, they both yours? < 1294347572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1294347574 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1294347575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just controls them < 1294347578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with his mind < 1294347579 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :261) And to think: if only we wouldn't celebrate birthdays, there would be no birthday paradox, and we could get by with half as long hash functions. (What do you mean it doesn't work that way?) < 1294347579 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine to stab and/or filet. < 1294347585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1294347588 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :183) you should be eating corpses more < 1294347593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1294347594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1294347595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1294347595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1294347596 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32) after all, what are DVD players for? < 1294347598 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :226) [...] I'm just widening the shaft to be 4x2 or so. < 1294347600 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100) Discrimination fields ACTIVATE. < 1294347602 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :165) you don't have an urethra, you're a girl. < 1294347610 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, ah. I was thinking of something like !grab user :-} < 1294347616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quotes are of ... mixed quality. < 1294347622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *did* clean them up before! but somehow it hasn't helped < 1294347625 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hrm? < 1294347637 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!showinterp pi < 1294347649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show pi < 1294347651 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh read p; if [ "x$p" = "x" ]; then p=5; fi; echo "scale=$p; a(1)*4;" | BC_LINE_LENGTH=490 bc -l | tr -d '\\' < 1294347713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp grab sh read u; echo '`quote' $u < 1294347714 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter grab installed. < 1294347720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!grab elliott < 1294347721 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote elliott < 1294347722 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :209) elliott: i like scsh's mechanism best: it's most transparent and doesn't really serve a very useful feature. \ 212) elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. \ 221) elliott: My university has < 1294347736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fact that none of the quotes are his. < 1294347736 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1294347737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, um, not quite what grab was meant to do, methinks. < 1294347751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote <(elliott|ehird)[^>]+> < 1294347752 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no VISION < 1294347753 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1294347759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1294347760 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1294347764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks to be me < 1294347773 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, `grab user is supposed to `addquote the last thing user said < 1294347796 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp grab < 1294347797 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter grab deleted. < 1294347800 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU HAPPY NOW < 1294347800 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be done by da botses. < 1294347802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pi < 1294347802 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14156 < 1294347815 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why not? < 1294347826 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot, you got it WRONG - your missing digits < 1294347827 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pi 10 < 1294347828 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1415926532 < 1294347841 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: They strictly react to their relevant activation character, they don't record anything else. < 1294347847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't help but think something is up here. < 1294347870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Define something. < 1294347879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pi < 1294347880 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14156 < 1294347883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pi 10 < 1294347884 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1415926532 < 1294347895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the 5th digit of each. < 1294347953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's because a(1) isn't terribly precise. < 1294348001 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote poultry < 1294348002 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :221) elliott: My university has two Poultry Science buildings. Two! < 1294348183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Player count: 6349 < 1294348183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Player count: 6350 < 1294348183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Player count: 6351 < 1294348184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think a(1) is precise up to the given "scale", it's just that it takes a(1)*4 there. See, 3.14156/4 = 0.78539; that's... well, actually that's only a truncated five-significant-digits of a(1), not a rounded one. There's that too. < 1294348187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, what the^ < 1294348195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, it kept counting up insanely fast < 1294348197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1294348197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, ^ < 1294348201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn tab complete < 1294348227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, I logged off when minecraft started swap trashing from it < 1294348235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of players. < 1294348251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, except mcmap didn't report a lot of players showing up < 1294348287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now server seems down < 1294348324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you were on just before that happened. Is it down? < 1294348328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the same thing? < 1294348348 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate num lnock < 1294348360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi < 1294348361 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.141592653589793 < 1294348365 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi^2 < 1294348366 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9.869604401089358 < 1294348391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 19) ehird has gone insane, clearly. \ 21) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really < 1294348448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that grep is entirely accurate... < 1294348481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: howso < 1294348490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < < 1294348492 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1294348494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < may be a special char < 1294348496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote \< < 1294348497 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1294348501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's still broken < 1294348504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was broken at one point < 1294348504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [<]oe should have matched , no? < 1294348510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1294348513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/quote < 1294348514 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6107 < 1294348515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: enjoy fixing < 1294348564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1294348569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run [ "<" ]; echo $? < 1294348571 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1294348573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294348575 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@2001:4428:251:1:21f:16ff:fe68:a55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294348575 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294348575 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1294348730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could file(1) be enough to detect programming languages, I wonder? < 1294348794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for some certainly: #!/bin/sh is a definitely clue for the first line < 1294348806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean with the default db -- I recall file tells me "C source" sometimes < 1294348813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1294348815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the file here I have is OS X file which is ~limited, so i'll ssh into rutian to check < 1294348824 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to have a good magic database < 1294348825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, DID YOU KNOW: < 1294348829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: duh :) < 1294348830 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes - it could be good enough < 1294348838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The order in which Oolite loads OXPs is non-deterministic. < 1294348841 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but if you want something even better - look at ohloh < 1294348842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ubuntu file can't detect ruby code at least < 1294348844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1294348850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but then it identifies charset and such, and that isn't using the magic db iirc < 1294348850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no effort to sort it *at all*. < 1294348863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ohloh tends to get things wildly wrong in my experience :-D < 1294348872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: and i doubt they have some open source software to do the magic < 1294348878 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they do < 1294348882 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-} < 1294348893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mostly ohloh mixes up C and C++, though it was worse before < 1294348907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: hmm < 1294348908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and yes their software for doing that is/was FOSS < 1294348917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their site is hell to navigate so links would be nice :D < 1294348918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does basic line counting stuff too < 1294348928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, google for "ohcount" iirc < 1294348942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I need is language detection for single streams of text, for my pastebin < 1294348944 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/p/ohloh/oh-count/ci/452d902d8f69afc10eecb2e382b0f39cc2342e92/tree/ < 1294348948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine using the file extension would be more practical, though :) < 1294348973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that does not look like normal sourceforge. < 1294348977 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohloh? < 1294348987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this semi-useless site. < 1294349341 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294349376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to poke into Oolite's code just to show that fixing the loading order would be trivial. < 1294349380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably fail. < 1294349396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix((0:).tail.(([[0,1],[1,0]]!!)=<<)) < 1294349398 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0,0,1,0,1,1,0,1,0,0,1,0,1,1,0,0,1,1,0,1,0,0,1,1,0,0,1,0,... < 1294349414 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ohloh used to be owned by sourceforge < 1294349422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: oh. that explains the suckage. < 1294349427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhm, so i guess fizzie stopped working on the win version < 1294349434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what < 1294349436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie got it working < 1294349438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just didn't redownload < 1294349439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even pinged you about it < 1294349456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i downloaded that version and it didn't wokr < 1294349457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*work < 1294349464 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1294349466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i downloaded one after fizzie said it works < 1294349474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it crashed when someone talked < 1294349486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: didn't he redo it < 1294349486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coords worked tho < 1294349488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ? < 1294349491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can prolly use it now < 1294349501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just hope none of you play today < 1294349541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I didn't "redo" it, since I'm not sure why it crashes. < 1294349551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get it working, though. < 1294349563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not today; I'll be un-internetted fri/sat/sun, and have to do some packing before. < 1294349586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's comforting to know that when it crashes in Wine, it in fact crashes also in real life, because then I can perhaps test it locally too. < 1294349706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how can you ever be uninternetted WHY < 1294349717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are you moving, can i come visit, oklopol will come too < 1294349729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, it's just the Stockholm trip I mentioned. < 1294349880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294349900 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294349929 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294349937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so err i don't quite understand zpaste, does it store pastes in files < 1294349963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294349980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Named after, well, the name. < 1294350081 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294350236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294350247 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294350586 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about the stockholm syndrome? < 1294350864 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you have failed in your duties as Selector Of Components. < 1294351114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What's your budget again? £3? < 1294351125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$expensive. < 1294351139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£expensive, too < 1294351158 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1294351173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wasn't it £800? < 1294351175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close to £3. < 1294351178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it £700. < 1294351185 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£800 is good. < 1294351216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And ... general requirements? :P < 1294351229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm. < 1294351240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't crash when I play Oolite with the Griff ships. < 1294351262 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:P) < 1294351278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You could get that for £300. :p < 1294351297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, that was facetious. < 1294351305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So was mine. < 1294351534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I NEED OPINIONS < 1294351552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: When taking a short (40 or 48-bit) prefix of a hash function, is it best to take a prefix of SHA-1 or one of the SHA-2 functions? If the latter, which? < 1294351580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, and, uh. < 1294351585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you usually walk from the cube, or do you always /spawn? < 1294351613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: /spawn, yup :D < 1294351617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: walk from to where < 1294351643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anywhere, it's pretty disconnected from the others < 1294351653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are mostly near spawn < 1294351654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, actually, not really. < 1294351664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant's is further, for instance. < 1294351668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right < 1294351720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i wonder where mount hoover is relative to cube < 1294351723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's quite close in one axis < 1294351729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bit of a walk in the other < 1294351832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'd just walk back to spawn really < 1294351836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well < 1294351837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually < 1294351848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'd walk to ineiros and use the minecart system ... except getting into ineiros' pit from below is hard < 1294351861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's why i'm asking < 1294351863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the minecart system is connected to pretty much anywhere, so if you get on there you're golden, assuming lag is low enough < 1294351878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you could make a hole outside ineiros' pit that leads near the minecart station there :D < 1294351879 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The track to my place is probably nearest, it's how I go to the cube. < 1294351880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i couldn't find a way there, so anyway i decided i'll just walk at random until i find something, it's worked for me sofar < 1294351891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all Phantom_Hoover did the connecting, not ineiros < 1294351893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: huh? < 1294351899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you go to your house, and then walk to the cube? < 1294351905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must take a long time surely < 1294351914 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I start from spawn, minecart to around x = -200, then walk the rest. < 1294351967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: er how, the express doesn't have any stops? < 1294351970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just sit there monitoring F3 < 1294351975 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monitor F3. < 1294351979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :D < 1294351981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how do you get out < 1294351986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whack the cart. < 1294351989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1294351990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the station < 1294352008 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've dug two sets of stairs out (the second because I couldn't find the first; at the top I noticed it was about two blocks to the side) < 1294352009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how I do it is: go to ineiros, jump out the northern end, walk over the tiny hill there, then just go west to the cube (about 400 zs away) < 1294352018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's your way? < 1294352020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's quicker < 1294352025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My way is probably faster than yours then < 1294352027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have mcmap? < 1294352030 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that it's also around 400 zs < 1294352032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uh sort of. < 1294352034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the x is all minecart < 1294352035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really use it much :D < 1294352052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah but mine doesn't involve holding down F3 and gettin' all twichy < 1294352054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*twitchy < 1294352055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's relaxin' < 1294352059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US military is *cutting its budget*. < 1294352066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, hell is chilly < 1294352070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn it on, with map mode, then walk to fizzie's, then to that weird dirt thing in the sky, then to the Hall of Midas, then to the cube. < 1294352083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not twitchy, just click once at around 200. :-P < 1294352106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: TWITCHY MAN < 1294352115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "weird dirt thing in the sky"? < 1294352124 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can see it on the map. < 1294352134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bunch of squares supported by a pillar. < 1294352172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you mean the one with the tree? < 1294352176 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Indeed, the pretty printer is too stupid to rename identifiers in case of clash. The result is incomprehensible output as you witnessed. A possible workaround is to try and name identifiers everywhere in the input. < 1294352180 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUu < 1294352182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, no. < 1294352188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: where's that from :D < 1294352197 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/dependent_types/comments/efb3y/micro_agda_a_simplistic_language_with_native/c1bolme?context=3 < 1294352199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PREFIX SHA-1 OR SHA-2 < 1294352204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: :DDDDDDD < 1294352207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SHA-2 < 1294352211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why < 1294352213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE HIGHER NUMBERS ARE BETTER DOOD < 1294352215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1294352215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok fine < 1294352217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which SHA-2 < 1294352221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1294352222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know anything about this < 1294352224 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mad < 1294352226 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to fix this myself < 1294352300 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why is the US military cutting its budget? < 1294352303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$178 billion cut in war spending. < 1294352331 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294352334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Partly to make the US budget more balanced, partly because it's a bunch of stuff that is completely unneeded. < 1294352343 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1294352347 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't even use a monad < 1294352348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, like the UK's aircraftless aircraft carriers? < 1294352356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which we totally need, apparently. < 1294352373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Republicans are upset about it. < 1294352378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're in two wars!" < 1294352394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i love how that reddit discussion is about the difficult task of proving that 0 is not 1 < 1294352398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And nearly insolvent, and the military budget is half the budget. < 1294352433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is indeed a weird dirt thing; I've wondered about it. What's it supposed to be? < 1294352447 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thies thing has horrible code duplication < 1294352458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even with the usual set theoretic construction definition of complex numbers, isn't 0 != 1 trivial? < 1294352463 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah you can't prove that in this language :P < 1294352465 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1294352469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: useful! < 1294352476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know 1 != 2 is almost direct at least < 1294352480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: hey it represents dependent values as their folds < 1294352483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/induction combinators < 1294352486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 + 1 = 2 < 1294352487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have no idea at all. < 1294352494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol @ specifying it on complexes < 1294352503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1294352505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know that from it you can see the Hall of Midas on the map. < 1294352521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use something like successor functions, then 0 != 1 is basically by def < 1294352530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sha-224, 256, 384 or 512 < 1294352532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for prefixing < 1294352538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're doing reals, might as well do complexes < 1294352539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not in uAgda :D < 1294352553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1294352560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1294352576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or probably it's trivial but hell of a chore for some technical reason? < 1294352582 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's not possible < 1294352590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Laik, higher numbers better < 1294352593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 1024 < 1294352608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: laik, clearly the 512 thing has all its hash info spread out whereas 256 is more compact < 1294352609 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it could be added thogh < 1294352614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so taking a prefix of 256 is more useful < 1294352617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and information filled < 1294352618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: duhh < 1294352627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::trollface: < 1294352632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 ais523 ais523 < 1294352642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's by definition, but you can't access the definition < 1294352654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:51:58 I have decided to use spivak on IRC, all over. < 1294352656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that didn't work out < 1294352669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: can you prove true /= false in uagda? < 1294352728 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1294352749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: hmm < 1294352769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, SHA-224 == SHA-256 except with different initial state and it's "pre-truncated" by omitting one 32-bit word at the end, so for truncation purposes it's pretty likely SHA-224 and SHA-256 are essentially equivalent; the same for SHA-384 vs. SHA-512. < 1294352798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truncated versions aren't even any faster to compute. < 1294352801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, right. I'm just wondering whether it's better to take a small prefix of SHA-1, SHA-256, or HSA < 1294352802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SHA-512. < 1294352817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: can you prove (\sf zf -> zf) /= (\n sf zf -> sf (n sf zf)) in Coq given uhh I forget the name of the axiom < 1294352826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall f g,(f=g)<->(forall x, f x = g x) < 1294352829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1294352832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note <-> not -> < 1294352835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er <- rather < 1294352839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although wait < 1294352841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the axiom only needs -> < 1294352843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1294352846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you derive < 1294352853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exists x, f x /= gx) -> (f/=g) from that < 1294352857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, y'know what the Cube needs? < 1294352862 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spleef arena. < 1294352891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If and only if it's lined with obsidian. < 1294352902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want any "accidental" breakages that leave LavaLite flooded everywhere. < 1294352915 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so annoying, I can't see how to make this code print out names properly < 1294352964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: that didn't work out <-- indeed < 1294352985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might just start calling everyone and everything "it" < 1294352985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the biggest cave in the world? < 1294352993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: define "cave" < 1294353002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tons of massive cavern systems that keep connecting to things you didn't know about :D < 1294353008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, manmade hole in earth < 1294353028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in terms of blocks removed < 1294353031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1294353036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the whole fucking system is connected < 1294353053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of that is "natural" cavernetics, though. < 1294353061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, at subtree, the actual number of blocks removed did not look like that much < 1294353067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think Vorpal's mines have the largest number of blocks removed. < 1294353084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well ineiros' pit basically... vorpal's mines don't count as holes since < 1294353085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1294353091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what they count as; a diagnosis? < 1294353098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, ineiros' pit is not very big < 1294353103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the old mines? < 1294353104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's very deep, though. < 1294353106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um it goes down to near bedrock < 1294353113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: very near in fact < 1294353122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and it's on a high mountain < 1294353124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like 100 deep < 1294353129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've built like 10 caves like that, never from a mountain tho < 1294353135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but point is, that is not that many blocks < 1294353138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: well ineiros' pit basically... vorpal's mines don't count as holes since <-- why not < 1294353145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because they're not hollow < 1294353155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1294353158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly never as big, because i just do it when i wanna start underground mining < 1294353171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in area, which of course means much less blocks < 1294353200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well. the stairs aren't really holes < 1294353203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're ... diagonal holes :D < 1294353247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://zem.fi/~fis/miney.png -- that thing top-right is I think parts of Vorpal's mines. (But I'm no expert on them.) < 1294353263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. diagnosis definitely < 1294353265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mine tunnels aren't that many blocks either, I guess. < 1294353281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think we have very large man-made holes there. < 1294353282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than ineiros' pit surely < 1294353301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, mines > pit < 1294353319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were definitely tons longer than 128 < 1294353338 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people should just fix their code for me :( < 1294353340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe like sixth of the area? can't really assess < 1294353368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, *checks < 1294353386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: http://zem.fi/~fis/miney.png -- that thing top-right is I think parts of Vorpal's mines. (But I'm no expert on them.) <-- yep < 1294353393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's composed of rather thin tunnels, though. < 1294353436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i make mines like that, people can just look at them with an editor? < 1294353439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice view of my tree farm too there. < 1294353453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to get a good grasp of block-volumes from the slices generated by mcmap. < 1294353454 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, fizzie is using mcmap < 1294353466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have no clue about the block volumes either < 1294353476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you needed to have been there, but clearly fizzie hasn't gone to your mines < 1294353500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so do i prefix SHA-1, SHA-256 or SHA-512 INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW < 1294353503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I have, in fact, but I didn't this time. The region shown there is the region the server sends chunks for when you stand there in the middle. < 1294353504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, he is on ground somewhere near < 1294353507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you just need to go close enough < 1294353515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: On top of your mountain, in fact. < 1294353566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1294353577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random thought: I could have mcmap generate a "minecraft-compatible" world-dump, though; then you could "play" in there, and also run all those pretty-picture offline mapmakers if you wanted. (Though of course only the regions you had walked around in mcmap.) < 1294353615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten whether you got the terrain-generation seed out of the handshake packets; it might've been there. (And it might have not.) < 1294353652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, even if you do, my mines are in pre-halloween but iirc a tiny section crosses into post-halloween < 1294353691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you'd get discontinuatitities there, but less. And of course I could make mcmap able to "overwrite" an existing world-dump if you already went and moved around in there. < 1294353709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the map seed is in fact there. < 1294353710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1294353723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discontinuatitties < 1294353762 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I did put a launcher-option-setting dialog in the win32 port, with pure win32 api. Mwah-ahaha. (But I didn't fix the crashing bugs. Priorities, priorities...) < 1294353808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ooh, ooh, make sure to misspell words, make the padding all weird, have checkboxes for things that should be radio buttons, and ideally have only one button, "Do it", and have the actual action controlled by other elements of the interface. < 1294353817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Writing "Username:" as "UserName :" gets extra bonus points. < 1294353825 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294353828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very weird when it comes to control-positioning. < 1294353844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: As well as using a title like "::[ McMAP v.3.2 ] by fizzie:: [Connect]" < 1294353923 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would it be cheeky to fix the bug in such a horrible way that he feels the need to rewrite the whole thing better rather than applying it? < 1294353939 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294353948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you social engineer, you < 1294353991 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (_₁ : A⇧¹ → (_quux : A⇧¹) → P₁) → < 1294353991 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (_₁quux : A⇧¹ → (_quux : A⇧¹) → P₁quux) → < 1294353992 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1294354017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: please tell me you can get quuxquuxquux < 1294354021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1294354025 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if there's three nested types < 1294354062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why not just make it use ' < 1294354065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even UNICODE PRIME < 1294354076 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that would work :P < 1294354239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Coreutils in HASKELL -- best idea or worst idea or worst idea or best worst idea < 1294354252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Both. Simultaneously. < 1294354262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HERE'S MY CAT IMPLEMENTATION < 1294354269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = putStr =<< getContents < 1294354282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait should probably disable buffering before doing that < 1294354283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But arguments! < 1294354319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh yeah indeed < 1294354325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well i have something to tell you brother < 1294354327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FUCK ARGUMENTS < 1294354332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1294354333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cat x >y < 1294354567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott-Hirds-MacBook-Air% x >y" is also fairly pointless as "| tee x >y" does the job just as well. < 1294355084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, right, that. Well, I mean, theoretically speaking SHA-512 will have a larger safety margin (more rounds and so on) when it comes to getting breaked so that you can solve it faster than brute-force, but if your truncation is small enough to be practically bruteforceable then it really doesn't matter. < 1294355138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sha256 is a lot faster, at least (when applied to large images; though I am using the hideously efficient pure library. I'll try a binding.) < 1294355168 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just go with a truncated SHA-256, it's cheaper to compute than SHA-512 and all. And I'm sure hashing speed will of course be your bottleneck. < 1294355185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It will, yes, my network is instant. < 1294355251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have a feeling that OS X users tend to use zsh. I don't know why. < 1294355252 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1167928546.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1294355256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I blame your heritage. < 1294355260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what will you do in case of a collision? < 1294355262 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That combines with every *other* redirection thing, though. < 1294355272 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I started using zsh *after* OS X. < 1294355273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on the truncated hash I mean < 1294355278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *** OH GOD HASH COLLISION: WHY GOD WHY < 1294355287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The likely of a hash collision with 40 or 48 bits is pretty unlikely :p < 1294355288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1294355289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: >(x) >(y) < 1294355290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*likelihood < 1294355294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wasn't _specifically_ trying to break shit. < 1294355299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so it will properly refuse upload of the collided file then? < 1294355300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Clearly | should be sugar for >(...). < 1294355304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : main = putStr =<< getContents <-- you mean main = interact id >:) < 1294355306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1294355309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was considering that :) < 1294355319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how will it handle exact dupe < 1294355326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silent? < 1294355328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What do you mean. Uploading the same file twice? < 1294355336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1294355338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just barf out and say there's a hash collision, probably. :p < 1294355349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294355349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might make it say "This has already been added! ...or else there's a hash collision." < 1294355353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, after all, single-user. < 1294355367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1294355498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why leave the game? :/ < 1294355514 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: after before before http://pastebin.com/swa5r518 < 1294355515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Early morning tomorrow, have a boat to catch. < 1294355537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: what :D < 1294355543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a boat? you so zany < 1294355547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hope it doesn't break. But in case it does bring 4 wood < 1294355547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't finns have zeppelins < 1294355551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with their suave tech < 1294355554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what < 1294355555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1294355555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1294355558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 5 < 1294355558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shoot Vorpal < 1294355559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1294355569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1294355579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a country with lax border checks? < 1294355582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, around? < 1294355582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can have an esoteric meetup there < 1294355584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can bring a gun < 1294355586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shoot Vorpal < 1294355661 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's your opinion of TinyCore? < 1294355663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you cannot have zeppelins in worlds where the nazis have lost the war, duh < 1294355676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You only need about a million pasted items before the probability of having at least one collision in there starts to get close to 50%, for a 40-bit hash. < 1294355685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's not called TinyCore, for one. < 1294355693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: untrue (c.f. His Dark Materials) < 1294355699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple time traveler axiom < 1294355704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 48-bit, then? < 1294355712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 16 million. < 1294355713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i haven't read that SO IT DOESN'T EXIST < 1294355717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rare is clay? i don't remember seeing any on your map before this, and all i've done is walked around at random for hours < 1294355718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for private use it's not too bad. < 1294355730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Quite a lot of nearby clay has been snarfed up. < 1294355747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very upset that zeppelins never took off (har har). < 1294355752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it is a bit on the rare side too.) < 1294355771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't never be in the near. < 1294355799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clay pretty much only happens near sandy beaches. < 1294355811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294355814 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I even eat breakfast today? < 1294355817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1294355819 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1294355836 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294355840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Clay pretty much only happens near sandy beaches. <-- also in deserts < 1294355846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you'd hate his dark materials, it's preachy-atheist :) < 1294355859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but i thought they were the bomb! < 1294355891 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick + coal --> burning torch ... makes sense < 1294355907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, it's obvious! < 1294355934 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And four ingots of iron and a pile of redstone dust -> compass! Also obvious! < 1294355988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A diamond inside some planks -> jukebox! Equally clear! < 1294356006 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell? These torches don't light < 1294356009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you mash a quarter of a bit of coal into a quarter of a stick. < 1294356013 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, is it day? < 1294356020 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's night < 1294356036 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh youhave to right click < 1294356041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294356054 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to place a torch before it starts giving out any light. Obvious! < 1294356064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to light stick, right click < 1294356072 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294356085 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is just so cosy < 1294356114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though did the better-light mod add a carried-torch light source too? Maybe I am just imagining things. There is at least one handheld-torch-light mod.) < 1294356134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But where should I write "click" to? < 1294356148 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294356164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: cosy :D < 1294356167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: met a creeper yet? < 1294356175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, better light doesn't add that < 1294356185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't thin < 1294356203 0 :BMG!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1294356206 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I drilled into the side of a mountain and there was a lava stream below so I went that way and then this guy jumps out of nowhere and blows up right next to me LOL < 1294356215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: :D < 1294356219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: did you see his face < 1294356222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: his horrifying < 1294356224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: horrifying face < 1294356240 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294356240 0 :BMG!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294356246 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1294356352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you just broke oklopol trying to get coord when you spoke < 1294356360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i apologise sincerely < 1294356362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he *just* rejoined with mcmap < 1294356403 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1294356432 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294356573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294356588 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294356739 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, gdmflexiserver has an easter egg < 1294356757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, down? < 1294356769 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^ < 1294356782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294356784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: o...kay? < 1294356799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: btw i'm just gonna buy a superdrive < 1294356812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already given apple >£1k, what's £60 more, sigh < 1294356819 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought in case you ever need to measure \pi in a rudimentary setup that only has sh and gdmflexiserver. < 1294356827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: wonderful < 1294356925 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ubuntu is free, think of it as still being cheaper than windows vista.. and you get a free disk drive! < 1294356944 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i found out we've got a 10" hard drive in another room < 1294356963 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's huge and bulky and the metal casing is like 2cm thick cast iron < 1294356982 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with reinforcement grid < 1294356988 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could survive an atomic blast ez < 1294357033 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think it might be 14" < 1294357097 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rigaux.org/language-study/syntax-across-languages --> people here might be interested < 1294357132 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1294358288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection