< 1292889607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also stairs use a different direction-encoding scheme < 1292889609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1292889622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ladders YET another one < 1292889978 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1292890214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292890350 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-83.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292890721 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292890926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifneq "$(findstring $(SPACE),$(CURDIR))" "" < 1292890926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(error Your work area is under a directory whose name contains a space. While it's possible to beat make into working with such directories, it's surprisingly hard and causes more problems than it solves. So, sorry, but don't do that) < 1292890926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endif < 1292890936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--salma-hayek, another (and much larger, multi-file) make "framework" < 1292890945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I fail this course, my GPA will go from 3.86 to a number larger than 3.61 < 1292890955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you will do it I presume? < 1292890961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, GPA? < 1292890976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GPA = stupid numeric measure of success in USA < 1292890977 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292890982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1292890989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And I don't know if I'll do it; it really is a *huge* pain and it's also impossible to use lists like that, I think. < 1292890991 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0 being straight As < 1292891003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so don't fail it? < 1292891016 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, do half a semester's worth of work in one night? < 1292891052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: On, what, xor swapping in Perl? < 1292891061 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make framework == fail, make library == potentially not fail < 1292891063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so why didn't you? < 1292891077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "framework" in so far as it defines targets like "all" and "clean" for you :P < 1292891079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "GPA" = "Grade Point Average". Essentially an averaging of grades, with A=4.0, B=3.0, C=2.0, D=1.0, F=0.0. < 1292891080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I missed a deadline, then got scared of checking whether it would be possible to submit < 1292891081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I mean, why didn't you work < 1292891084 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it kind of snowballed < 1292891090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1292891092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scared"? < 1292891094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1292891096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1292891097 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least using the framework/library distinction I read in a random blog post a while ago, dunno if there's any official definition of it < 1292891098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1292891104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very bizzare "measure" of academic performance. < 1292891113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well with make it's more like... ball of mud vs. ball of mud :D < 1292891117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as the given out grades are essentially arbitrary. < 1292891147 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, scared < 1292891153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Howso exactly? < 1292891158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the thing closing so I couldn't submit work < 1292891169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scared of checking whether it would be possible to submit" < 1292891175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You said scared of checking. < 1292891177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not scared of it closing. < 1292891192 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I ended up not checking. Or looking at it. Or doing anything else < 1292891197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ...why? < 1292891230 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1292891246 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292891268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You... forced a new WebKit build into Safari? < 1292891270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY GOD WHY < 1292891279 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, early adapter? < 1292891289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, I ended up not checking. Or looking at it. Or doing anything else < 1292891289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: ...why? < 1292891291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question not answered yet. < 1292891315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because I was scared. < 1292891325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Of /what/ < 1292891327 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grades are useless < 1292891343 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292891344 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of it being too late to do anything < 1292891352 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for getting into the next level of education where you can achieve: more useless grades < 1292891353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you think that this was rational? < 1292891355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't < 1292891355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, but you said scared of /checking/. < 1292891361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but irrational is one thing. < 1292891363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely stupid is another. < 1292891379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but then you get a ph.d.! < 1292891397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares it to be time for more Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES < 1292891408 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: orly? I didn't < 1292891424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: then you didn't get enough useless grades < 1292891431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do what i said :P < 1292891441 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292891483 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh, these x86 assembly instructions are so damned long :( < 1292891562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: write your OS in MIPS and then just write a MIPS emulator in x86 asm < 1292891654 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ARM, I have arbitrarily decided that I like ARM assembly more than MIPS < 1292891661 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is easier to decode though < 1292891703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes but with mips you can, one day, perhaps run on jsmips < 1292891737 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps! < 1292891737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1292891760 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe look into Alpha which has that PAL thingy < 1292891764 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds cool < 1292891767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: alpha is super-complex :P < 1292891768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1292891816 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-83.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292891832 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right, not so cool to emulate... but potentially for writing stuff in < 1292891845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: write it in MIX, not MMIX, MIX < 1292891856 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, write a microkernel directly in PAL or something < 1292891863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. This game has an in-game calendar. < 1292891868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The End of the World is marked on it. < 1292891898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By default, the Make rules should compile and link with ‘-g’, so that executable programs have debugging symbols. Users who don't mind being helpless can strip the executables later if they wish." < 1292891900 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you can do with it though, and wikipedia didn't have a complete description so I'll assume there's not a lot of online information about it < 1292891906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I use the debugging symbols in my binaries ALL THE TIME < 1292891923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: define pal < 1292891947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20100131, in fact. < 1292891969 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a microcodeish thing that allows you to define custom assembler instructions (really function calls into PAL code) < 1292891989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: psht, why not overwrite the actual microcode of the x86 < 1292891990 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292891995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do bytebytejump! < 1292892000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: heh < 1292892017 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that would be awesome, if only you could make your own < 1292892028 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should get a job at intel or something < 1292892040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you can < 1292892057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: linux lets you write to microcode with a file in /proc if it's enabled at kconfig time < 1292892064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: for applying microcode updates from intel < 1292892067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1292892072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: all you have to do is figure out the format and instructions! < 1292892085 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and intel's private key for microcode updates? < 1292892152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, let's put it this way < 1292892159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: either you can figure it out by reading the linux kernel source, < 1292892166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or /intel's cpus actually check the key themselves/ < 1292892176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the latter would be an amazing feat of silicon < 1292892177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt it < 1292892211 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it, what's in linux is just glue code for sending the contents of intel's microcode files into the cpu < 1292892239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so you're saying the cpu actually has silicon/microcode on it to verify a public key? < 1292892240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1292892240 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. mostly useless for anyone wanting to construct their own microcode file < 1292892265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the key wouldn't actually have to be assymetric, would it? < 1292892279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well no i was about to correct that but decided not to :D < 1292892289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asymmetric < 1292892336 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it could also have plain x86 code that does it - every x86 cpu comes with an x86 cpu after all < 1292892350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, yes. < 1292892354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: TIAS :P < 1292892362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I accept no responsibility if etc.) < 1292892374 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIAS? < 1292892379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Try It And Snorkel < 1292892382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or See. < 1292892384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably snorkel. < 1292892401 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wonder what happens if you send random data as the microcode thing < 1292892410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: TIAS! < 1292892421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tiaras Impede Actually Snorkelling) < 1292892422 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches olsner brick his computer < 1292892470 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292892523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so how can I make everything depend on the Makefile I wonder < 1292892525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must answer < 1292892553 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds promising: "The microcode update is volatile and needs to be uploaded on each system boot i.e. it doesn't reflash your cpu permanently, reboot and it reverts back to the old microcode." < 1292892640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it probably won't brick it then! now cat /dev/urandom to it < 1292892664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://www.urbanmyth.org/microcode/ < 1292892668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this may help sorta < 1292892677 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep, found < 1292892704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the filename for microcode again? < 1292892708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see if i can cat it :P < 1292892733 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a text file, with many sets of updates (for different models, presumably), each is a list of 32-bit hexadecimal values < 1292892751 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can: apt-get install intel-microcode :) < 1292892754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292892790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, make needs a < 1292892800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(.WHAT_DEFAULT_GOAL_WILL_BE_AT_THE_END_OF_EVALUATION) < 1292892849 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the data sets seem to have a header (a bunch have 12 words, the last entry in the file has 36 words of header) < 1292893043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: please tell me you're actually gonna try writing to the file < 1292893235 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292893266 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first problem: finding out which of all these updates belong to my CPU model < 1292893266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOON THERE SHALL BE SATAN < 1292893284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I SHALL BE INVINCIBLE < 1292893411 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, the code that teases apart the file-of-all-updates into the right per-cpu update is in the kernel < 1292893460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292893460 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292893677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/code/useful-make$ ls < 1292893678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.c foo.d Makefile useful.make < 1292893678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/code/useful-make$ rm foo.d < 1292893678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `foo.d': No such file or directory < 1292893679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the error < 1292893707 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.d\ \ Makefile? < 1292893776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: nope < 1292893843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: GUESS AGAIN MY FRIEND < 1292894313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: answer: \ foo.d < 1292894466 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292894593 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292894720 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, looks like I won't have time to do this microcode thingy until after christmas < 1292894745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the academic calendar, the grades are due in a week < 1292894751 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe I can still pull this off < 1292894922 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it suddenly involved a reboot because I don't have kernel modules installed for my running kernel) < 1292894962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: rebooting takes until after christmas? < 1292894962 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and microcode loading (which might print some numbers when running) and msr reading (which could also tell me those numbers) both require loading some specific kernel modules < 1292894966 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep < 1292894970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1292894976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: can't you just modprobe < 1292894977 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no time for planned downtime! < 1292894979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one advantage of dynamic modules! < 1292894984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they save uptime < 1292894999 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, using modprobe solves not having the modules installed? < 1292895024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well you can always recompile the kernel, install it, and use modprobe, no>? < 1292895025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no? < 1292895033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even just compile the modules themselves? < 1292895034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and modprobe them? < 1292895048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makefile:2: *** commands commence before first target. Stop. < 1292895050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP YOU PIECE OF SHIT < 1292895084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol it was because i had indentation < 1292895235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think I put about as much effort into school as a high school dropout, I just happen to be lucky < 1292895275 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I could just reinstall the kernel package I had when I last booted :) < 1292895322 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmesg after modprobe microcode says: sig=0x10677, pf=0x10, revision=0x703 <-- those are the droids I should be looking for < 1292895353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's snow in Australia right now. < 1292895358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the summer. Fucking. Solstice. < 1292895476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w.t.f.is.this. < 1292895484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define compile < 1292895484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo $(call quote,$(1)) < 1292895484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(2) < 1292895484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endef < 1292895484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works < 1292895487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define compile < 1292895487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo $(call quote,$(1)) < 1292895488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@$(2) < 1292895490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endef < 1292895492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says missing separator < 1292895496 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, therefore, Global Warming is a lie! < 1292895499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND < 1292895502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define compile < 1292895502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo $(call quote,$(1)) < 1292895503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @$(2) < 1292895503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endef < 1292895505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works, but still prints $(2) < 1292895511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPEN;FGHING < 1292895561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define c-dep-rule < 1292895561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(1).d : $(1).c ; $(call compile,DEP $(1).c, < 1292895561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $(CC.INVOKE) -M -MG \ < 1292895561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -MT $(call quote,$(2)) \ < 1292895561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -MF $(call quote,$(1).d) \ < 1292895562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $(1).c) < 1292895563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endef < 1292895565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: behold the ugly < 1292895609 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292895657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i needed MOAR BACKSLUSHES < 1292895672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope wait avoided < 1292895766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/code/useful-make$ make < 1292895767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEP foo.c < 1292895767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC foo.c < 1292895767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/code/useful-make$ make clean < 1292895767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -f 'foo' 'foo.d' < 1292895769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh god this is hideous. < 1292895793 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292895854 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this thing only contains 2012 bytes of microcode < 1292895904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the snow crust carries a man at summer solstice, spring will be late < 1292895925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think they only contain "patches". < 1292895993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ancient northern norwegian proverb) < 1292896016 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, forgot about how 4-byte ints take 4 bytes each - it's actually 8k :) < 1292896166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define c-program-body < 1292896166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(call c-program-rule,$(1)) < 1292896166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(call c-dep-rule,$(1),$(1)) < 1292896166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(if $(cleaning),,-include $(1).d) < 1292896166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endef < 1292896265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: olsner: http://sprunge.us/ejFR useful.make < 1292896267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/YEbG Makefile < 1292896272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: MOST HIDEOUS HACK IN THE HISTORY OF HACKS. < 1292896282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEATURES CODE LIKE < 1292896282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote = '$(subst ','\'',$(1))'#' < 1292896283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The language for Apex is sort of a combination of TECO and Sam." < 1292896287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1292896289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define c-dep-rule < 1292896289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to-clean += $(1).d < 1292896290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(1).d : $(1).c ; $(call compile,DEP $(1).c, < 1292896290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $(cc.invoke) -M -MG \ < 1292896290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -MT $(call quote,$(2)) \ < 1292896290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scientopia.org/blogs/goodmath/2010/12/19/apex-my-editor-project/ < 1292896290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -MF $(call quote,$(1).d) \ < 1292896292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $(1).c) < 1292896294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endef < 1292896308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <3 < 1292896327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, dammit, Apex is already a cpressey language! < 1292896412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody gonna call me out on that? :P < 1292896447 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1292896455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not gonna cry at my useful.make? < 1292896686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: google does not seem to support that claim much < 1292896708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was actually a language i managed to trick cpressey into semi-designing before he buggered off irc :) < 1292896716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292896809 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292897049 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292897341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/code/useful-make$ make < 1292897341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DEP foo.c < 1292897341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CC foo.c < 1292897341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.c: In function ‘main’: < 1292897341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.c:2: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘}’ token < 1292897342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (command was: cc -o 'foo' 'foo.c') < 1292897343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** [foo] Error 1 < 1292897345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww yeah < 1292897351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define do < 1292897352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @echo $(call quote,$(SPACE)$(SPACE)$(1)$(TAB)$(2)); $(strip $(3)) || ( \ < 1292897352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : exit=$$$$?; \ < 1292897353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo ' (command was: '$(call quote,$(strip $(3)))')'; \ < 1292897355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : exit $$$$exit \ < 1292897358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ) < 1292897359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endef < 1292897361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a four-dollar programmer. < 1292897363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ^ < 1292897902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There is no God. < 1292897912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No -- I am god, see. < 1292897920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I got the number of $s right on my *second try*. < 1292897923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you are Loki. < 1292897929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went straight from $? to $$$$?. < 1292897929 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this? < 1292897932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how in tune I am with make right now. < 1292897934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Make. < 1292897936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Make, of the GNU variety. < 1292897941 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292897948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides not to learn it < 1292897956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's not a language, it's a build system. < 1292897962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BUILD SYSTEM THAT I HAVE PERVERTED < 1292897965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAHAHAHAHAHA < 1292897974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's alright then < 1292897977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO IT'S NOT < 1292897983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS SO, /SO/ NOT ALL RIGHT < 1292898022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's "Oh. Well, that's all right then" < 1292898039 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292898049 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292898149 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.american-buddha.com/hitchhikersolong8.htm how is this legal? Or is it not? < 1292898165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it is totally legal. < 1292898199 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292898338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Copyright is enforced via civil law. Making it trivial to violate without fear of retribution if you're not a big enough target. < 1292898486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://sprunge.us/STBN useful.make, slightly less horrific version. < 1292898500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Semi-recommended reading now, as it merely provides insight into using and abusing make, rather than also inflicting mortal pain :P < 1292898725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No? < 1292899116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to gain 20 to 30 levels < 1292899141 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292899158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: REEAD IT < 1292899163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could beat the game, but I want to completely break it first. < 1292899205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what game is this? < 1292899207 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292899215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, didn't I ask previously? < 1292899216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES < 1292899241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA "really fucking hard". < 1292899241 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes that all the effort that goes into mining Bitcoins was redirected to Folding@Home < 1292899251 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292899313 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292899569 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I have now found the microcode that matches my CPU (both rev 0x705 and 0x703) < 1292899592 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(change random parts and go? :D) < 1292899597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mooks have mediarahan. WHY. < 1292899602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mediarahan is a full party heal) < 1292899673 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the size of the patch doubled in size between those two revs < 1292899711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo wishes that all the effort that goes into mining Bitcoins was redirected to Folding@Home < 1292899714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you hate hashcash, too < 1292899730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how much effort is put into hashcash, anywhere? < 1292899739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Hashcash even see use? < 1292899742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um, very little, just like bitcoins < 1292899764 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People apparently have purchased lots of expensive GPUs for Bitcoins < 1292899770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So? < 1292899800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Would you be upset if I replaced the mcmap makefile with another one that's about 11 lines long, much clearer, and depends on an awful hideous monstrosity file I'm writing called useful.make? :-) < 1292899950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 0m1.961s < 1292899950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1292899962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcmap's current Makefile is broken and doesn't generate the .ds. < 1292900183 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1292900214 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292900319 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292900485 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292900665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So... you ever generated filenames with spaces in them using make? < 1292900679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1292900717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Darn. < 1292900725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (I'm trying to fix useful.make's handling of that right now.) < 1292901287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I should just give up, shouldn't I. < 1292901459 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292901640 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292901735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES IT DO THIS TO ME < 1292901760 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because you don't go to sleep at night < 1292901771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just 3:22 am fuck off < 1292901781 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was trying to be humerous < 1292901784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humouros < 1292901788 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't spell today < 1292901847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now I'm cracking up < 1292901977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So... do you happen to know a variant of $(foreach) that works for escaped spaces? < 1292902220 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im afraid to make my videogame :( < 1292902303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, don't turn into me >.> [yes I know that makes no sense] < 1292902311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1292902442 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wat < 1292902461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, crippling fear preventing you from getting something done < 1292902468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, well < 1292902475 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im afraid to do it because i want to EXPERIENCE the game < 1292902490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i MAKE the game, ill be intimately familiar with it from the outset < 1292902498 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there wont be anything wondrous to experience < 1292902537 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm which one of you talented young minds wants to write about something interesting on my BLOG < 1292902577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: i don't know. such a shame that links can only be clicked once before they expire forever < 1292902583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you choose wisely < 1292902629 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292902672 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know : ( < 1292902717 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1292902788 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if someone is interested in posting something cool i'm totes down with it but ideally it should probably contain a little math or compsci < 1292902847 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292902888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh WRITE about something < 1292902892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said read < 1292902900 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no write < 1292902908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just link to the #esoteric logs < 1292902912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant blog post < 1292902917 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no #esoteric logs are terrible < 1292902923 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the worst ever < 1292902936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you'll find much support for that statement on #esoteric < 1292902954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially considering how popular logreading is < 1292903130 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway are there any interested ppl < 1292903348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful, i can't recall ever seeing anyone in here do any work voluntarily < 1292903398 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really work < 1292903418 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an outlet to Talk About Something Interesting < 1292903435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :through work < 1292903456 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292903473 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292903528 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i don't want someone writing who'd feel like they're doing work < 1292903822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So this horrible hack turns out to be really nice actually: http://sprunge.us/HBNM < 1292903829 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292903993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey ho? < 1292903993 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292904673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hee ho! < 1292904708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's pretty nice if you ignore the contents of useful.make. < 1292904771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's getting better, actually: http://sprunge.us/MbZN < 1292904785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ignore the commented-out defines... < 1292904792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're making GNU make usable. < 1292904794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God. < 1292904806 0 :kanzure!~kanzure@131.252.130.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292904816 0 :kanzure!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what iz this place < 1292904903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :この場所は皆が英語で話せる所です。けど、僕は英語で話したくないので、日本語で話してる。^_^ < 1292904930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanzure: a place of death and diere < 1292904932 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292904934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DIEF DIEF DIEF < 1292904935 0 :kanzure!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lovely < 1292904939 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292904942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanzure: or a channel for esoteric programming languages < 1292904943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DECIDE < 1292904965 0 :kanzure!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will, fine < 1292904975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanzure: we're all awaiting your decision! < 1292904988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently, because you talk in English, you speak Japanese. < 1292904990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A feat of logic. < 1292905009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google Translate fails horribly. < 1292905027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It turns a negative into a positive and ignores the "want to" suffix. < 1292905030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :P < 1292905057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a place where everyone speaks English. But, since I don't want to speak English, I'm speaking Japanese." < 1292905135 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292905135 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292905289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can I replace the Makefile with http://sprunge.us/HBNM plus a 100-line-or-so-black-box include file? :p < 1292905565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: diere? dief? < 1292905598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Dief! Dief! Dief! < 1292905612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels severy whooshed < 1292905619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*severely < 1292905667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dief is the name of a macro in mcmap's code; I just felt it suitably ... die-y. It sounded very Nazi in a wonderful way! (Best sentence. Best sentence.) < 1292905670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIEF! < 1292905682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced "dye-ff".) < 1292905719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it means "thief" in dutch < 1292905727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, no one understand dutch anyhow < 1292905731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*understands < 1292905747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits his fingers for bad spelling < 1292906079 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292906350 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292906504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Especially not the Dutch. < 1292906516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a big game they play with foreigners.\ < 1292906518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was implied. < 1292906528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like Swedish without the bork bork bork. < 1292906557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the danish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk < 1292906647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOG QUOTE OF THE DAY < 1292906648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:10:03 * oerjan has _never_ masturbated to the curry-howard isomorphism. should i try it? < 1292906668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no recollection of that quote < 1292906679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was after < 1292906685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:09:24 HEY LOOK GUYS I CAN PRETEND I'M A MATHEMATICIAN BECAUSE I CAN WRITE PROOFS IN COQ fapfapfapfapfap etc < 1292906685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:09:31 * Sgeo_ should probably learn what the Curry-Howard isomorphism < 1292906686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:09:33 *is < 1292906691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and some other stuff, but) < 1292906742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure i didn't actually try it, though < 1292906755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have done a disservice to science. < 1292906797 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Facebook: When I download my data, I want to download all of it. That includes the messages to/from a girl who blocked me. < 1292906804 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win2 6 < 1292906820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: TYPE BETTER < 1292906826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lose some windows < 1292906828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: MEGAN < 1292906829 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292906847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought you hated xkcdsucks < 1292906877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd sucks, xkcdsucks is just stupid as of late < 1292906884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcdexplained.com/ is perfect though < 1292906909 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it seems to have ended < 1292906926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's part of what's so perfect about it. < 1292906958 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292907103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do kind of like the latest xkcd, though the "bitches" bit seems overdone < 1292907113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randall is now making references to his own comic < 1292907153 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the latest xkcd is awesome, especially if you subtract the flaws. It's a wonderful message < 1292907339 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292907362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: look what you have done: < 1292907364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./08.11.01:01:10:32 * psygnisfive manually masturbates oerjan for feminine hysteria < 1292907364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./08.11.01:01:17:32 * psygnisfive manually masturbates oerjan for fun < 1292907374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you! < 1292907401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am _so_ sorry for destroying your innocence in this way < 1292907412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1292907417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it have to be so < 1292907448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:15:07 * oerjan is not particularly hysterical today, or feminine for that matter. < 1292907449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:15:38 perhaps. < 1292907449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:17:22 doubly good then! < 1292907449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:17:32 * psygnisfive manually masturbates oerjan for fun < 1292907449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:19:37 hey, a deer outside the window < 1292907449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:26:12 cute :D < 1292907451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:36:12 Yeah, that mundane magic page is one of the most brilliant things I've read in a long time. < 1292907454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:36:44 Er, misread that as "hey, a deer masturbates outside the window" "cute". < 1292907458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37:08 thank you, fizzie. < 1292907487 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292907558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that there is anything wrong with that. < 1292907590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as a deer, i concur. < 1292907593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: TO CUTENESS! < 1292907617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY MIND'S EYE! MY POOR MIND'S EYE! < 1292907669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the universe's way to attempt to shock you out of procrastination. < 1292907725 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have more time than I thought < 1292907741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't have as much time as I now think I might have, I might as well accept the 3.6 GPA < 1292908479 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292908608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hardly anybody will care about your GPA. < 1292908697 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292909317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eclipse begin! < 1292909335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, now? < 1292909371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total lunar eclipse tonight; it's penumbral right now. < 1292909387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be more obviously visible in about an hour when the moon hits the umbra. < 1292909392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait now < 1292909395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And be total about an hour after that. < 1292909397 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1292909398 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1292909401 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought I had my timing off < 1292909413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that, i just thought it was several hours until it < 1292909435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The penumbra screws your concept of timing! < 1292909486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the moon here looks like it's about to set :( < 1292909567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Visibility_Lunar_Eclipse_2010-12-21.png According to this, you will just barely be able to totality as the moon sets. < 1292909587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, to see totality < 1292909709 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292909763 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to eat < 1292909779 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292909781 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't miss anything if this is the last time I look at the moon for the next hour, will I? < 1292909789 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1292909794 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real fun is when you get totality < 1292909802 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least when the umbra hits < 1292909806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, the moon will be slowly darkening for the next hour. < 1292909819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much to see until it gets close to the umbra, though. < 1292910789 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292910938 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292911929 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292912108 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292912641 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1292913099 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292913241 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eclipse! < 1292913288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray! < 1292913313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever so slightly < 1292913322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just took a trip outside to check < 1292913419 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292913419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually pretty nice here. < 1292913421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight up. < 1292913486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i am assuming it cannot look much different in america :D < 1292913501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, it's just a nice night out, and the moon is straight up. < 1292913529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, but seriously, don't you know? The American moon is MUCH better than yours!) < 1292913541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why else do you think we had to go there?) < 1292913542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND made of cheese, too < 1292913557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ours is just made of cardboard < 1292913660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. We go and mine it, because it's the only way for America to get good cheese. < 1292913680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds legit to me < 1292914006 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: where are you?? < 1292914119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still eating :/ < 1292914389 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292914445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Colorado. < 1292914452 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1292914632 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292915649 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292915879 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292916080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1292916879 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292917078 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292917362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totality. :D < 1292917385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is Facebook-stalking me =P < 1292917406 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Mr. Totality is an enemy combatant obviously < 1292917410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FACEBOOK-STALK EVERYONE. < 1292917420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But especially you. < 1292918061 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's still lighter on one side...will it not get totally red? < 1292918079 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292918116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It will towards the time of greatest eclipse, 08:16:56 UTC. < 1292918147 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1292918217 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@166.199.254.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292918230 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292918399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1292918400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1292918885 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1292919108 0 :boily!~boily@dsl-173-206-147-4.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1292919249 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292919382 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292919864 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1292920182 0 :atrapado!~rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292920389 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292920430 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1292920640 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292921649 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292921847 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292921898 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292921977 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1292922849 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292923195 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292924146 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1292924199 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292924445 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292925195 0 :frodatio!~user@p54B29253.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292925211 0 :frodatio!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1292925214 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.98 /8s in APNIC pool (the allocation threshold is about 2 /8s)... < 1292925399 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292925581 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292926569 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292926789 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292926846 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-17-245.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1292927116 0 :Sasha2!~WHAT@75-174-216-120.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292927305 0 :javawizard!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292927590 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292927593 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292927593 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292927602 0 :javawizard!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jcp < 1292927644 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292927696 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292927799 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292928037 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292928056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292928479 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292929029 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292929198 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292929457 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1292929933 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1292930020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Totality. :D < 1292930031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got too cloudy here :( < 1292930199 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229029083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292930415 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292931315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292931399 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231022.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292931509 0 :atrapado!~rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292931643 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292931645 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :roper < 1292931658 0 :roper!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :atrapado < 1292932621 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231022.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292932797 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292933761 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231022.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292933914 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292934025 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292934489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292934567 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292934993 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231022.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292935037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a page linked from reddit turned out to be incapable of scrolling without javascript turned on < 1292935044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of all the things that people use javascript for, that's pretty weird < 1292935053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I opened it in w3m, in the end, so it wouldn't use the CSS either) < 1292935142 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292935768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1292935859 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript or is it javashit? :-) < 1292935862 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-176-145.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292935952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: there's nothing fundamentally wrong with JavaScript (in fact, it's a very nice language, although the DOM is irritating), but people try to use it in all sorts of contexts where they probably shouldn't < 1292936101 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231022.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292936296 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292937271 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231022.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292937476 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292938441 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231022.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292938583 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292939216 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@97-124-33-235.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292939379 0 :Sasha2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1292939549 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292939887 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292940932 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292940985 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1292941159 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292942188 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292942467 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292943480 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292943682 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292943773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292944517 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-17-245.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1292944710 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292944782 0 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43fe8.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292944796 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292944928 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292944972 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292945606 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292946006 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292946296 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292946976 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1292946987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/12/21/woke-kids-lunar-eclipse/ ;; apparently this is what passes for an article these days < 1292947027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm then again clicking a random link on that page only seems to show a tagline for me too, so maybe Fox don't want me to see their articles for fear of mocking them :D < 1292947326 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292947462 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292947535 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292947970 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1292948005 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Times like these will never happen again.". Err... TLEs happen about once per 17 months on average (oh, and there's apparently two next year) and are visible from about half of the planet at once... < 1292948047 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misinformation in the news < 1292948059 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something that will happen again! < 1292948181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yeah I think there's more article but the server isn't showing it < 1292948193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope wait < 1292948199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/21/report-evacuated-suspicious-odor/ was just a tagline before but it isn't now < 1292948207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so heh, the entire article is "Times like these will never happen again." < 1292948225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he means that the democrats and gays are going to band together and blow up the moon < 1292948236 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I got a decent chunk of cats done in coq now < 1292948280 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proofs are awful though, don't know how to sort that < 1292948284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: This many? http://www.stitching-dreams.co.uk/images/Bundle%20of%20KittensMed.jpg < 1292948292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More seriously though, cool. < 1292948303 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I can't seem to access anything under nasa.gov (it won't resolve). < 1292948303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget why I abandoned my impl. based on that one paper... < 1292948305 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1292948320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know that whenever I start doing algebraic structures, it fails round about at ... what point was it < 1292948328 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im going on the catsters youtube videos < 1292948331 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing the resolutions manually works, no idea why the recursive nameserver can't resolve it. < 1292948351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was the first one that was just two other structures combined < 1292948356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all my operations became ambiguous or something < 1292948370 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that's useful actually - if you know what it is that made you give up I could try it out (too see if what I have falls apart or not) < 1292948375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it worked *really* nicely before that with coercions and all ... can't remember if I ever did it with categories though < 1292948390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well, that was when i gave up doing algebraic structures, not categories :) < 1292948401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: An implementation of the structures with categories would be interesting, though. < 1292948425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably with coercions from stronger structures to weaker ones, and then defining "op" on e.g. magmas < 1292948431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that all calls to op downcast the structure or whatever < 1292948434 0 :co345at_office_i!~CoWw__Cr_@p5DD3A435.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292948434 0 :co345at_office_i!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude u want this http://ihaxor.hpage.com/get_file.php?id=911760&vnr=411870 < 1292948434 0 :co345at_office_i!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1292948435 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I would need an example of algebra done inside category theory to get me started though < 1292948435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1292948436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do like < 1292948444 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason it started to wrk... < 1292948465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition {A : Magma} (x : A) (y : A) := op A x y < 1292948468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1292948469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1292948472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition opp {A : Magma} (x : A) (y : A) := op A x y < 1292948478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, to hell with it, I've forgotten; I'll try again! < 1292948486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yeah i'm not sure how to do it with categories really < 1292948502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I have a feeling that Coq-with-categories would end up being a lot of fluff to get it cooperating with the categories < 1292948505 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, NASA does confirm the two TLEs for next year... :-> < 1292948562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacking a complex makefile while writing Coq ... this can only go well < 1292948564 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: proofs are really verbose - I think I have to have my categories act as a model of an abstract theory or something, so all the mess doesn't leak in to proofs < 1292948582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1292948586 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292948599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you could do that thing where you declare a model with axioms and then you "prove" them according to a concrete structure < 1292948603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i've forgotten how to do that in coq < 1292948606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with sections or something < 1292948606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or modules < 1292948618 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look into that < 1292948622 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1292948664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's Section ., then some Variable declarations, then End. IIRC. < 1292948674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: right, yes < 1292948684 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where each Variable is an axiom. < 1292948688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can code everything to the "axioms" which you have actually proved according to the gnarly concrete structure < 1292948772 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292948883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: um the unusual thing is supposedly that the eclipse is on the same day as the solstice (in american time zones) < 1292948947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a look at dude u want this http://ihaxor.hpage.com/get_file.php?id=911760&vnr=411870 < 1292948950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read something about this only happening every 500 years. < 1292948962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a folder called psyBNC2.3.1 but that actually contains what looks like mIRC :P < 1292949011 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I fail to see the actual *significance* of that. < 1292949012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 17/12 * 365 < 1292949039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh j-invariant left i was just about to say something i remembered < 1292949045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's news! < 1292949046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, extremely improbable astronomical things happen pretty regularly, since there are a lot of them. < 1292949058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1292949059 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1292949067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 17/12 * 365 < 1292949068 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :517.0833333333334 < 1292949113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i think it would be somehow nice if the timeout stuff didn't include the time EgoBot needs to drag itself out of bed, is my suspicion < 1292949171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1292949183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you see, botte does everything really quickly ... < 1292949245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecord Magma := mkMagma { < 1292949245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : M : Set; < 1292949245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o : M -> M -> M < 1292949245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}. < 1292949245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coercion Magma_to_Set (m : Magma) : Set := M m. < 1292949250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the basic idea < 1292949252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except *Record < 1292949254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't, because it's not _here_ < 1292949269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that since Coq is stupid we need < 1292949276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record Magma := mkMagma { < 1292949276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : magmaM : Set; < 1292949276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : magmaO : M -> M -> M < 1292949276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}. < 1292949283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise we get clashes later, because coq is a douchebag < 1292949287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so moving on, anonymous log-reader, < 1292949330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record Magma := mkMagma { < 1292949330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : magmaM : Set; < 1292949330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : magmaO : magmaM -> magmaM -> magmaM < 1292949330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}. < 1292949330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coercion Magma_to_Set (m : Magma) : Set := magmaM m. < 1292949331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition o {M : Magma} (a : M) (b : M) := < 1292949333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : magmaO M a b. < 1292949335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that??? BEYOOTIFUL < 1292949347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the point where i get bored for a while < 1292949492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : no it doesn't, because it's not _here_ <-- haven't you realised that elliott does not know the difference between present and future tense by now? < 1292949512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, timeless elliott < 1292949512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's disturbingly close to the truth :) < 1292949537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S NOT LEFT-RECURSIVE DAMMIT I TOLD YOU IT HAS NO ASSOCIATIVITY < 1292949542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would say it *is* the truth based on the data we have < 1292949553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck off, I'm battling Coq < 1292949565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also very elliottish < 1292949808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT FUCKING WORKS < 1292949816 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292949857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, why are you complaining < 1292949858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit coq < 1292949883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error: Notation _ * _ is already defined at level 40 with arguments < 1292949883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at level 40, at next level while it is now required to be at level 40 < 1292949883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with arguments at next level, at next level." < 1292949899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure those two are equivalent :D < 1292949904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no < 1292949909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is at level 40 i think < 1292950166 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292950378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "The convention of using the same suffix ‘.l’ for all Lex files regardless of whether they produce C code or Ratfor code makes it impossible for make to determine automatically which of the two languages you are using in any particular case." < 1292950493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ratfor was invented by the people who invented C. After inventing C, they realized that they had made a mistake (too many semicolons) and they fixed it in Ratfor, although it was too late for C." --Stanford < 1292950503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so not STANFORD THEMSELVES.) < 1292950560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, scapegoat question < 1292950568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try. < 1292950597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have I understood it correctly in that it allows you to, for example, filter commits by some commiters (such as esr) < 1292950610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "really". < 1292950613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. Kinda. < 1292950655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, yes, you could use a script to whitelist every non-esr commit, and in a hypothetical infinitely-flexible version, you could define a branch to be "not-authored-by-esr", but in the version I'm planning to implement, no, there is no native support for that. < 1292950683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think branches will end up as, in my version, explicitly-whitelisted or automatic, to control whether patches trickle in without being explicitly pulled in. < 1292950724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah. Because based on that rather simplistic explanation there are some obvious issues. Trivial one being, committer a writes a function foo, but you filter him. In another file, committer b (which you white list) changes something to call this function foo. < 1292950742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the obvious issue arise) < 1292950752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for x in ; do \ < 1292950752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @echo ' RM $x'; rm -f $x || ( exit=$$?; echo ' (command was: rm -f $x)'; exit $$exit ); \ < 1292950752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : done < 1292950754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's not right ... < 1292950770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Obviously patches to patches you don't have don't get applied. < 1292950783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so the compile will then break as one would expect < 1292950790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shit, sherlock. < 1292950792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, what you describe is not a feature of scapegoat at all, it is merely something that can be done with an extended, general implementation. < 1292950806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore don't tell me how useless it is, I /know/ how useless it is; good thing it's not a feature, then. < 1292950828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's simply that if you let branches be predicates for whether a patch is accepted, then < 1292950828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, I saw you discuss this some days ago with ais. < 1292950835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\p => p.author != (hash of esr)) < 1292950841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a valid branch, albeit one with rather few files in it. < 1292950848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given C-INTERCAL, which he wrote most of) < 1292950849 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1292950914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea was that @tip would point to a complex formula specifying "the most recent (or was it oldest?) maximally-merged branch". < 1292950932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at that point you've got a full programming language and at least for now I've vetoed it, and will special-case @tip. < 1292950963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, but TC branch description sounds fun! < 1292950972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would definitely not be TC. < 1292951123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/dreamjobs/dreamjobs5.html Ouch. < 1292951198 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292951346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK MAKE < 1292951351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN A VARIABLE /LOSE/ VALUES < 1292951370 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292951375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to_clean += $(1) $(2:.c=.o) $(2:.c=.d) < 1292951381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1292951382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1292951385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to-clean < 1292951387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to_clean < 1292951438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underscoring the difference < 1292951707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://sprunge.us/gZOC < 1292951721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: useful.make -- now with implicit rules and more readability! < 1292951798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh, I was just about to whine at you for making a curses dependency, but I see you've made it readline. < 1292952428 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292952537 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292952628 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292952674 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292952784 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-126.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292952810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1292953078 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1292953263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: quick! what's the variable name of the tree in which we're out-of-tree-building to? < 1292953271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUILDDIR is ugly because of the repeated D < 1292953484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ANITVPATH? < 1292953494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wut. < 1292953494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since iirc VPATH works kind of the other way) < 1292953512 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not really) < 1292953524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ANTI, then < 1292953532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292953533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1292953538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't notice the typo < 1292953540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm not sure whether to get source files from another directory, or to put build files in another directory < 1292953552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GNU Standard" is to put build files in . and look for sources elsewhere, but that's a bit inconvenient < 1292953561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to "make" by default putting stuff into build/ < 1292953573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is kind of useful when you have a configure script and you have different builds against the same tree < 1292953585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "make BUILDDIR=x" "make BUILDDIR=y" < 1292953586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1292953608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, make DEBUG=1 BUILDDIR=debug vs. cd debug && make < 1292953614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, the Makefile would have to figure out what directory it's in to figure out where all the files are, which just screams "MORE GNU MAKE FUNCTION FUN" to me :) < 1292953616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, make DEBUG=1 BUILDDIR=debug vs. cd debug && make < 1292953617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1292953626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make DEBUG=1 BUILDDIR=debug vs. cd debug && ../configure --enable-debug && make < 1292953628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is a bit messier without a configure script yes < 1292953631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first one sounds nicer to me < 1292953636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the thing with configure is that you do it once < 1292953640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : then just make in the future < 1292953645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you update the version control < 1292953656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 99.999999999999999999999% of times that's not what happens. < 1292953666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is when you are a developer < 1292953672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the makefile changes. or because you remove the source tree. or any number of reasons. (yes, i know /you/ don't0 < 1292953673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't) < 1292953675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a developer -- < 1292953682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easiest just to keep the default build/ directory. < 1292953684 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292953687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, you could even make DESTDIR=debug by default if DEBUG is on < 1292953689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as an end user, sure it isn't < 1292953692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1292953693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make < 1292953693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. < 1292953698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1292953698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1292953700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make debug=1 < 1292953701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. < 1292953704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite < 1292953704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cd debug && make < 1292953712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is actually more convenient because you don't have to cd back afterwards < 1292953717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you want to) < 1292953725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, often you want do run the binary though < 1292953728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are a developer < 1292953730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: build/mcmap :P < 1292953764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I tend to not trust that for anything large. Imagine: wesnoth: can not find data files < 1292953764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and for users, "$ cd mcmap && make" is much nicer than "$ cd mcmap && mkdir build && make -f ../Makefile" < 1292953772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is how it'd look in this case < 1292953780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1292953781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i.e. programs that need to be installed to be tested < 1292953783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. bad programs) < 1292953792 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1292953796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, they tend to often run from the build dir too < 1292953805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the devs get fed up with installing when testing < 1292953807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: add a "make test" target < 1292953811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.PHONY: test < 1292953818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test: mcmap ; cd build; ./mcmap < 1292953821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is probably for the regression test suite < 1292953823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*: build/mcmap < 1292953826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try-it-out ffs < 1292953832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcmap doesn't even have an install target :P (although if I can convince fizzie to let me replace the Makefile with one using useful.make, it'll automagically get one) < 1292953832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also mcmap need options < 1292953840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh jesus shut up and write a shell script < 1292953840 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292953851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I didn't say your solution was bad < 1292953861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just that the alternative isn't as bad as you make it out to be < 1292953867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. But it is without a configure script. < 1292953874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu make is so broken :( You can't make targets depend on variable values. < 1292953875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1292953879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%.o: %.c $(CFLAGS) < 1292953879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1292953883 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sometimes a configure script is the sanest option < 1292953884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if CFLAGS change, the objects need rebuilding < 1292953888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not for mcmap. < 1292953894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well duh < 1292953899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if CFLAGS change, the objects need rebuilding < 1292953899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was thinking larger thing. < 1292953905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, no, configure is never the right option. < 1292953914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Gregor disagrees < 1292953920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does pikhq < 1292953933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, pikhq hates autotools almost as much as i do. < 1292953944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but nice argument from authority... < 1292953946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but he think it is the least of bad alternatives iirc < 1292953953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, he likes makefiles. < 1292953958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you ever want to update me on your current opinions... just let me know. < 1292953967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: After all, you are like unto a god, and everything you say is immediately entered into my mind. < 1292953993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I pretty much agree with Gregor's arguments for why configure is sometimes good. That is why I refer to him instead of restating them < 1292953999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I know he told you before < 1292954021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not appeal to authority thus < 1292954026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually, he said configure is better than SCons, CMake, and plain-untailored-Makefiles when stuff is semi-complex and needs to be portable. < 1292954028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because: < 1292954033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. SCons sucks ass. < 1292954038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, when you *can* avoid configure that is a good idea < 1292954043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. CMake sucks ass. < 1292954046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not love configure either < 1292954053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Retards can't write Makefiles. < 1292954060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in some cases it is the least bad of options < 1292954068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you ignore the right option. < 1292954072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you crosscompile with useful.make? < 1292954085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, specifically a cross toolchain < 1292954086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: make cc=your-crosscompiling-gcc-name < 1292954088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not canadian) < 1292954110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But, uhh, if you're going to form opinions based on what is essentially a 115-line proof of concept ... < 1292954118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course not < 1292954123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does everything mcmap's current Makefile does, plus some. < 1292954130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mhm < 1292954139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now why the fuck is it not regenerating the .ds at this point ... < 1292954141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not regenerating < 1292954161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1292954222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right, the curses bits are there just because I used the curses attempt as a basis for the readline thing. Anyway, basically what it does is to use rl_replace_line("", 0); rl_redisplay(); to make the "readline area" contain just "> ", then wipe that with \r\e[K, print out the output, then rl_insert_text() the old text back and rl_forced_update_display() it on screen. (But since messing around with the readline buffer isn't exactly safe while some code < 1292954222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is inside readline(), I had to use that alternative, callback-driven interface.) < 1292954277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Rite. < 1292954299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to see the useful.make before I can make any sensible decisions; the current Makefile isn't exactly complicated either. (Especially if you get rid of the build-it-with-"-combine -fwhole-program" parts, which would I think happen also with the include useful.make solution.) < 1292954319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The current Makefile has such features as "doesn't actually build the .d files properly". < 1292954330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is why useful.make seemed to be almost half a second slower at building the whole program.) < 1292954342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it didn't build them properly last time I checked. < 1292954415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(useful.make isn't exactly the *prettiest* thing -- GNU Make metaprogramming, yay -- but it doesn't do anything "awful", it's just a bit ugley. It's something I'm planning to maintain separately and beyond mcmap, though, so it's not like I've made the Makefile simpler by just shoving it into another file. It's more generic than that.) < 1292954421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this will give an install target for free. < 1292954430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do out-of-tree builds. < 1292954463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "whatever". As long as the build system doesn't get in the way. < 1292954474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA WORLD DOMINATION SHALL BE MINE < 1292954522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did switch from pkg-config zlib to just plain '-lz', since that is such a quasi-standard thing, and my work-workstation didn't have zlib installed inside pkg-config either. < 1292954606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I dropped the debug target for "make debug=1", but to be fair, "make debug" was pretty slow because of the recursion. < 1292954623 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I did some protocol-updates based solely on that one wiki; I was a bit suspicious of one of their changes. Will have to test those new things tonight. < 1292954644 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1292954700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely don't care about the build system speed, given the size of the project. (So far things like "make clean; make debug" have been <2 seconds.) < 1292954703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that mc bug with peaceful in single player you mentioned < 1292954708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you confirm actual monsters? < 1292954717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I'm too much of a pussy to. < 1292954731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I remembered how I did the structures. < 1292954737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't seen anything about it elsewhere < 1292954772 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Food now.) < 1292954838 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: want to have a look at my draft? < 1292954898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure it was on peaceful? < 1292954911 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try and define a group < 1292954914 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292954917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe you changed it by mistake < 1292954921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a bug changed it < 1292954950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: sure < 1292954953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it was peaceful. < 1292954974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Record Magma := mkMagma { < 1292954974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : magmaM : Set; < 1292954974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : magmaO : magmaM -> magmaM -> magmaM < 1292954974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}. < 1292954974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coercion Magma_to_Set (m : Magma) : Set := magmaM m. < 1292954975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition op {M : Magma} (a : M) (b : M) := < 1292954976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : magmaO M a b. < 1292954978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infix "*" := op (at level 40, no associativity). < 1292954980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that's the basic idea < 1292954982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you do things like < 1292954984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record Semigroup := mkSemigroup { < 1292954986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : semigroupMagma : Magma; < 1292954988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : semigroupIsAssociative : < 1292954990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : forall a b c : semigroupMagma, < 1292954992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a * (b * c) = (a * b) * c < 1292954994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}. < 1292954996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that code doesn't work because * is already defined in coq, but whatever) < 1292955044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but iirc this falls down later < 1292955048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but yeah i'd like to see your draft < 1292955049 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been putting up with things like magmaO M a (magmaO M b c) everywhere < 1292955054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292955073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: the nice thing about the coercions is, you can have "Foo" be a InsertStructureHere with all the proofs bundled in and the like, < 1292955076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but also say (x : Foo) < 1292955081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the coercion to Set < 1292955116 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://coq.pastebin.com/1jd3Ey51 < 1292955170 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292955206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking < 1292955249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you've certainly got much further than i ever did < 1292955256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worries me slightly that the category definitions are a bit ugly though < 1292955267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wow < 1292955279 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised myself, I didn't expect to be able to defined CAT < 1292955305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me to photoshop a picture of a cat to be made out of smaller versions of itself sometime < 1292955307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat of small cats < 1292955318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the paper I read defined Cat < 1292955334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice though < 1292955455 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I keep going with it.. if it will not collapse < 1292955475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I hope not, it'd be awesome if you could get the algebraic structures on top of that... then it might be a decent alternative to the crappy coq stdlib < 1292955498 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah notice I use -nois which means nothing from Coq library gets used < 1292955519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ... for some reason that didn't undefine the * notation for me though when i did those structures just now < 1292955554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pushed the new build system; if you don't look at useful.make it's all nice and pretty. "make" does an OPTOMIZED(tm) build (well, just -O3; -funroll-loops is probably not helpful), "make debug=1" does a DEBUGGERISED(tm) build. "make clean" works, "make install" doesn't exist right now, "make objdir=foo" does what you'd expect, and you can set CFLAGS and the like if you don't know what cc.flags is. < 1292955572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It niceifies the build output by default, but prints out the full command whenever anything goes wrong; V=1 makes it print everything (and this is automatically turned on if you use -n.) < 1292955585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"make clean all" fails to generate the .ds properly due to an obscure bug, but I'm looking into that now. < 1292955599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I used -lz rather than pkg-configging zlib. < 1292955605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It builds into build/ by default. < 1292955688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But "make objdir=." does work, if you're crazy.) < 1292955717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't reproduce the issue you mentioned on peaceful in my games < 1292955729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it /was/ near a mob spawner. < 1292955734 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but if you look at say lines 370 to 417. All that crap does is prove that Ff o (eta o nu) = (Ff o eta) o nu = (eta o Gf) o nu = eta o (Gf o nu) = eta o (nu o Hf) < 1292955737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my STAIRCASE MINE IS ABOVE A MOB SPAWNER AAAA. < 1292955741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, don't know anyone near me < 1292955749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *any one :p < 1292955757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yeah, it is a bit verbose ... but < 1292955759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nor any two < 1292955765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: at least you proved it, I never got anywhere near that with mine < 1292955804 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy idea: Maybe you could make a new category theory proof language... which uses Coq under the hood? < 1292955825 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could even just be commutative diagrams < 1292955888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No sounds so far... < 1292955896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that would be nice ... sounds complicated though :) < 1292955902 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1292955906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1292955908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it'd be nice if category theory turns out to be a useful basis for "typed" computation < 1292955917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: like how intuitionistic logic is useful for that, via type theory < 1292955923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lambda calculus < 1292955947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what scares me a bit is that i have various tunnels of varying litness.. < 1292955962 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't see how that's possible because all the functions in category theory are just A --> B.. that's my ignorance though < 1292955976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it is a bit hard to imagine yeah < 1292956083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292956206 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292956223 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-238-210.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292956267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1292956267 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292956303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, can a spider spawned by a mob spawner manage to trigger off do-a-slurp-sound before it evaporates? < 1292956323 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you happen to know what's the "simplest nontrivial theorem" for monoids? < 1292956328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no clue < 1292956342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I never seen them show up either like that < 1292956345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: alas no < 1292956346 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try and define moniod but I don't know what to say about them < 1292956358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoid#Relation_to_category_theory :-) < 1292956370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Likewise, monoid homomorphisms are just functors between single object categories. So this construction gives an equivalence between the category of (small) monoids Mon and a full subcategory of the category of (small) categories Cat. Similarly, the category of groups is equivalent to another full subcategory of Cat." < 1292956372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: prove that :P < 1292956448 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh I have n oidea how to define a subcategory.. < 1292956488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: maybe it's just (ob A) subtype-of (ob B)? < 1292956489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the name was ob < 1292956490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1292956493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of the category < 1292956766 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that could work < 1292956787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i guess you might need to include that the operations are equivalent but i forget so < 1292956789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1292956796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the main thing would be having the types be subtypes i think < 1292956806 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"operations are equivalent" <-- Functor :D < 1292956860 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292957092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, beta is laggy as fuck < 1292957094 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on a local game < 1292957104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pretty, but restarting it helps < 1292957108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep opening minecraft twice by mistake < 1292957115 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1292957120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pretty laggy, < 1292957123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway it is way slower than alpha < 1292957132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: now i've fallen into a cavern and there's diamond but i'm busy running around scared shitless putting torches everywhere because oh god what if there really are monsters < 1292957149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I found no indications of that < 1292957164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the game is from pre-halloween btw (not that it should matter) < 1292957224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I considered doing some mega scale engineering in that game, smoothing out the discontinuities somewhat, at least for the areas I visit < 1292957232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there is also gold though... and iron ... and diamond < 1292957244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fell? < 1292957245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how? < 1292957245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 64+33 coal though so I can come back to that < 1292957256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you dig right below yourself < 1292957258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: turns out when i removed a block to make my stairs go down further < 1292957259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1292957261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't notice < 1292957264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was obscured by darkness < 1292957275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so why didn't you use torches? < 1292957309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was about to place them FFS < 1292957310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked solid < 1292957313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh redstone, too bad i don't need it < 1292957316 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292957339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SERIOUSLY? a single diamond? < 1292957341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck y'all < 1292957367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shietloads of redstone though ... and coal < 1292957385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have enough coal for now < 1292957416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lightstone on bottom of deep sea is pretty from the surface < 1292957422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like random lights spread out < 1292957424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292957426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially nice at night < 1292957442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh there's also water and lava and stuff so I bet these caverns branch a lot but I have lots of iron and a single diamond < 1292957444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is enough forn ow < 1292957446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for now < 1292957453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have until Sunday < 1292957479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: bunch of torches + torch on cobblestone = entrance to cavern < 1292957502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more gold! wish gold was useful in any way at all < 1292957503 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, idea to make creeper safe: small island, middle of ocean, 10 high obsidian tower. 3x3 or such. With ladder inside < 1292957506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from like, compass < 1292957508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and steel door < 1292957512 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at both ends < 1292957514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh < 1292957518 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292957519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then at top, a floating castle < 1292957525 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least < 1292957532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :structurally unsound < 1292957538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the castle need not be obsidian < 1292957554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which saves on both annoyance and "fuuuu that was misplaced" < 1292957565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably make it obsidian just near the shaft < 1292957576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you think this is safe? < 1292957621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, the castle would need to have no holes in the top. < 1292957627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on the top < 1292957633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd still see enemies if it had a glass ceiling :) < 1292957644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could cover it with torches on top < 1292957648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without too much issues < 1292957684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but obviously, and exit there would use doors < 1292957693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iron probably) < 1292957713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still it is a lot less annoying than a obsidian fort on the ground < 1292957716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's to stop a creeper getting in the obsidian fort? or is the top closed? < 1292957724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes < 1292957739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there could be doors to the top but as I said it would be floating above any ground < 1292957742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's to stop a creeper getting on top, and blowing up your castle's connection to the obsidian? < 1292957743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and it would be lit on top < 1292957744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't matter, but < 1292957752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how could it < 1292957757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: spawning there < 1292957764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it is LIT ON TOP! < 1292957768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said several times < 1292957769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the slowness, from Notch's Twitter: "I have a scary feeling the lag some people get might be leaf decay. Grraaaaahhh!!" < 1292957776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't spawn there, it spawns below the castle < 1292957779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on top of the obsidian < 1292957790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh < 1292957793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Misread as "lead decaf". < 1292957793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? < 1292957804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm. < 1292957805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the obsidian shaft goes from ground to middle of bottom of castle < 1292957810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how could it spawn on top < 1292957823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not floating? < 1292957831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://p.zem.fi/kdvd -- is there a reason it does DEP for all but one of the source files twice? < 1292957836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, I corrected that above < 1292957848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Um, what. Let me take a look at useful.make. < 1292957874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, while a floating castle is indeed awesome, it has the disadvantage of being annoying to enter and exit < 1292957880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you clean and run it with V=1? < 1292957889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't do make clean all, do make clean; make all V=1.) < 1292957919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc -Wall -Werror -std=gnu99 -pthread -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/SDL -O3 -M -MG -MF build/map.d map.c < 1292957920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc -Wall -Werror -std=gnu99 -pthread -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/SDL -O3 -M -MG -MF build/map.d map.c < 1292957925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How strange, it's doing the exact same thing twice. < 1292957936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect an objdir bug at this point. < 1292957942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it worked fine before I added objdir support. < 1292957973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/g1cc but yes, it looks like that. < 1292957983 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah... (about PCRM): "If these guys are against your dietary recommendations, you're probably doing something right, so I'm going to take this one as a win." < 1292958004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does make -d V=1 2>&1 >foo to check < 1292958090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Prerequisite `map.c' is older than target `build/map.d'. < 1292958090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Prerequisite `build' is newer than target `build/map.d'. < 1292958090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Prerequisite `Makefile' is older than target `build/map.d'. < 1292958090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Must remake target `build/map.d'. < 1292958110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It seems it decides it needs to do it all again after it re-makes after satisfying the .d dependencies the first time. < 1292958155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha... hmm. < 1292958200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pushing a fix. < 1292958218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr if you just want something to exist, not to update when it gets newer, make it a |-dependency. < 1292958221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a client update too? < 1292958269 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird how it nowadays sends trees (or at least their leaves) before any other blocks. < 1292958273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushin' now. < 1292958275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be leaf-decay-related. < 1292958306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fixed. < 1292958344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/what.png -- that thing in the upper-left corner does not fill me with confidence. < 1292958346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" * Mysteriously, with the 1.2.0_02 update on November 4th, all Jack-O-Lanterns on worlds were converted back into pumpkins." < 1292958346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"* < 1292958374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also isn't static, it keeps flickering. < 1292958433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gold tools are stupid, right? < 1292958440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is new in 1.0.2? < 1292958447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The durability is the same as wood, wasn't it? < 1292958450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "on November 4th" < 1292958451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh. < 1292958457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also, that top-left is REAL. It's CHAOS. < 1292958463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, reading comprehension failure < 1292958467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you that is < 1292958475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now read what I said again < 1292958476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, compasses are IRON < 1292958483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh. < 1292958485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bugfixes. < 1292958496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nothing on his blog, nothing on minecraft wiki < 1292958556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay I'm on fire. < 1292958574 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292958592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/what2.png -- it's also not the only chaotic region. < 1292958626 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it's the even rarer thing! missingno < 1292958693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Visit it and SEE THE CHAOS. < 1292958749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've visited, but nothing special is visible to the client. < 1292958761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be that it goes over y=128, though. < 1292958784 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292958795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: BTW, you're missing gold and iron ore from your emporium. < 1292958804 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1292958804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It does? How? < 1292958848 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, protocol-wise the y coordinates go all the way up to 255, so he might have just relaxed the limits. < 1292958865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The room is slowly filling with smoke... < 1292958869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might also be that the trees at max-alt are related. < 1292958880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't bother exactly counting which height it was at. < 1292958881 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that chimneys should prevent this. < 1292958895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucks having your house in a boring area. < 1292958910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you actually build above 128 though, now? < 1292958927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Soul_Sand Since when is it called soul sand. < 1292958929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get up there to see. < 1292958934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Netherrack Since when is it called netherrack. < 1292958946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid tooltips. < 1292958946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's a nice netherrack you've got there." < 1292958958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can't even figure out that name ... at all. < 1292958978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/eoxvk/sincere_thank_you_to_notch_for_the_tooltips/c19ufzq?context=3 < 1292958984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rack as in wrack, I guess < 1292958986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# The name "Netherrack" is not a misspelling of "Netherrock". [2] < 1292958986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# It could also possibly be based on one or more of several definitions of rack having to do with suffering." < 1292959061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server-side inventory did fix that item-placement thing. < 1292959086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should eat < 1292959090 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a respirator out of a blanket. < 1292959102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://evilmousestudios.com/tronic/ Heh, someone got to the "single-colour texture pack thing" before me (well, sort of), except theirs is HD. < 1292959181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teleporting still works, though with health on it's a bit dangerous. (Read: you pretty much die always.) < 1292959268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how does it work? < 1292959310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, gun powder is sulphur now? < 1292959316 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(says tooltip) < 1292959340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-step is stone slab < 1292959371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The server trusts client-sent "player position" packets pretty much absolutely, except it checks whether the path would go through solid blocks; so our teleportation command just sends two faked player-position commands, one to move from (px,py,pz) to (px,+128,pz), then another from there to (tx,+128,tz), where p is current player position and t the target. < 1292959389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then gravity will take care of getting the player down from y=128. < 1292959417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can target lakes < 1292959420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for porting < 1292959423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1292959436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1292959443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you need to indicate if a lake is 1 or 2 deep! < 1292959474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lakes aren't everywhere. < 1292959497 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, common enough that it is still somewhat useful < 1292959505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it could keep the player flying with repeated move packets, and construct a temporary water basin below, then let you drop. < 1292959507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But a322 has health off anyway. < 1292959519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actual flying is a known griefer thing, so that should actually work. < 1292959520 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-213-80.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292959520 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep, but it breaks armour < 1292959534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, only in classic iirc < 1292959534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But there's no health ... you don't need armour ... < 1292959538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay. < 1292959546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1292959547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But there's no health ... you don't need armour ... < 1292959549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like the look of the armour < 1292959555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might check whether you still get falling damage even if you "move" the player down from the highest point, but I suspect it just counts the drop from max-y to ground. < 1292959556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't teleport. < 1292959567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Move down 128 times. < 1292959582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will still count the whole thing as a single jump. < 1292959591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll test at some point. < 1292959607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh *joy*, a lava lake. < 1292959631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a byte on the movement packets that is set when the player is on the ground, I'm not sure exactly what that does. The wiki says it's for "detecting flying". < 1292959634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yet another one < 1292959643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or at the old altitude? < 1292959679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for large drops and such? < 1292959768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, course literature in one of your favourite areas. I have no doubt you will say the book sucks < 1292959780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Interaction design") < 1292959797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Interaction design != HCI. < 1292959806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway most HCI stuff is bullshit. < 1292959810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah < 1292959816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, course literature and so on < 1292959834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to cover HCI in parts at least < 1292959836 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292959880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I died. < 1292959913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, authors are Sharp, Rogers and Preece. If those names mean anything to you (they don't to me) < 1292959920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be explicit: I died, losing most of my possessions, and will now be transported to a spawn point from which I have no idea how to get to my house, which I built after wandering frustratedly at the bad map. < 1292959926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't to me. < 1292959939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, why didn't you mark your path and so on < 1292959947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or use an inventory editor and teleporter < 1292959958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or next time, create a new world when you find the current one sucks < 1292959968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because as I said, I was wandering frustratedly. The first coal I found, after walking for, like, a day, I punched through. < 1292959969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light streamed in. < 1292959972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mountain was ONE DEEP. < 1292959974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got ONE PIECE OF COAL. < 1292959985 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292959987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then finally I found a nice mountain with trees and set up shop. < 1292959995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would have generated a new map at that point < 1292960002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I /was/ regenerating the world; I'd done it like five times, and decided I'd stop. < 1292960015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. A tree I hollowed out. < 1292960066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, mcmap is definitely not as pretty as some of the competition, like the http://minecraftam.com/ thing. < 1292960092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But who uses mcmap for the map? < 1292960097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:P < 1292960110 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only thing I use it for, when I use it < 1292960123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Looks like it needs a server mod to work. < 1292960125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(automap) < 1292960134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong. < 1292960142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does. "The mod/map is entirely clientside, meaning you can use it in singleplayer or on any SMP server, regardless of what mods it has." < 1292960152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# The mod/map is entirely clientside, meaning you can use it in singleplayer or on any SMP server, regardless of what mods it has." < 1292960153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1292960154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is a client-side mod, not a nifty proxy tool like ours. < 1292960160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's talking about http://minecraftam.com/MM.aspx. < 1292960163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, proxies are more fun. < 1292960190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If you made your map lighting-savvy (i.e. torches light thiings up), and jigged the colours a bit, I think it'd be fine. < 1292960225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMP server? < 1292960256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Survival multiplayer." < 1292960257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Aw, mcmap is definitely not as pretty as some of the competition, like the http://minecraftam.com/ thing. <-- sure, but which one runs on my system? mcmap, it has less requirements < 1292960262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1292960393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it's path marking thing looks useful < 1292960396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ehird at least < 1292960410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1292960414 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292960421 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linden Lab closed the Teen Grid < 1292960433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not as big a victory for anti-age-segregationists as it sounds < 1292960475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Users between 13-16 have to be with an "affiliated organization" separate from the main part of SL < 1292960480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, 13-15 < 1292960500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All 1 people in here who play or care about Second Life thank you for that information. < 1292960507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't sound like a victory either way < 1292960510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, who cares about SL < 1292960518 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in here at least) < 1292960543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BUT BECAUSE I'M BETWEEN 13 AND 16 ... NOBODY UNDERSTANDS M3... 0R MY UNKONVENSIONAL SPELUNG... WITHOUT SOMEWHERE I CAN BE TRULY UNDERSTOOD... A SECOND LIFE... < 1292960549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... HOW WILL I BE ABLE TO AVOID CUTTING MYSELF????/ < 1292960558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;__; < 1292960566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOVING ON < 1292960568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octocat_sad.gif < 1292960577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that github? < 1292960589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I got it the other day. < 1292960601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hm3E2cGQE4 < 1292960607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://github.com/images/error/octocat_sad.gif and then some sort of "the server, it is error" page. < 1292960621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The error is a reference to those.) < 1292960625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think.) < 1292960626 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "Minecraft AutoMap requires Windows, the .NET Framework 4, and the XNA Framework 4.0." < 1292960632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Mono :P < 1292960637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not xna iirc < 1292960637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so XNA might be difficult. < 1292960649 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also last I looked mono went to 3.5 < 1292960651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to 4 < 1292960660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes to etc. < 1292960670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 11? < 1292960675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAA MY EYES < 1292960676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes. < 1292960685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what < 1292960710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, DID I MENTION THIS ROOM IS FULL OF SMOKE < 1292960726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I CAN'T OPEN THE DOOR OR THE SMOKE DETECTOR WILL GO OFF < 1292960733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the nicotine that kills! It's the smo-oo-ooke, the smoooke! < 1292960745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so put out the fire < 1292960752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cancer, it's the smoke! Heart disease, it's the smoke. It's the smoooooooooke! < 1292960766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the, it's the inhalation, it's the smooooke, the smooooooooke! < 1292960784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and there is this thing in fireplaces that kind of open and closes above them < 1292960787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you open it < 1292960792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what the English word is < 1292960794 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'll get in trouble if the fire goes out! < 1292960797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spjäll in Swedish < 1292960801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is burning his parents. < 1292960808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so talk to some grown up? < 1292960821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Phantom_Hoover is *burning his parents*. < 1292960825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they didn't CARE < 1292960829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they live in Antarctica and there is nobody else within a seventy mile radius. < 1292960831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On account of being on fire. < 1292960837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1292960844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1292960857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the smooooooooke. < 1292960904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opens the door anyway. < 1292961038 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292961156 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292961170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first time I played the game I didn't know that I'd picked up clay, and I was wondering why the hell cooking eggs turned them into bricks..." < 1292961217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/WNTDy.png whoa. < 1292961273 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD I CAN SEE FOREVER < 1292961524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Get this. Framerate goes back to normal if you're beside trees and you look straight up at the sky... < 1292961524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look back down, and I'm right back to 2fps from 40-60fps looking up." < 1292961527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Notch quality. < 1292961546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose we define "notch" to mean "very low/poor". It even SOUNDS like it means "small". Notch. < 1292961592 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notch" already has a meaning or ten. < 1292961613 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crud < 1292961616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MISSED MY FINAL < 1292961657 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a retard < 1292961671 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed missed or can-still-run-to-be-late missed < 1292961680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed missed < 1292961688 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why did you do that < 1292961688 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must admit though, the "Crud" part is a lie < 1292961693 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an optional final < 1292961695 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292961696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, alarm clock? < 1292961703 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can only help one's grade... my grade cannot be helped < 1292961708 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1292961717 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to write a final tomorrow < 1292961720 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one < 1292961725 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid balsdkfjals < 1292961732 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm going in search of food < 1292961734 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see yzs < 1292961806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I MADE IT BACK HOME < 1292961813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Notch" already has a meaning or ten. < 1292961817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it does, doesn't it... < 1292961857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA I've lost all my iron. < 1292961908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Noun, sense 1. An affectionate synonym for 'vagina'. See also gash. Noun, sense 2. Someone with whom you basically just get drunk and/or high and have sex, usually on a short term basis. Compare to "your girl" or "a ho", both are higher on the intimacy ladder." (Urban Dictionary.) < 1292961956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the OED site has gone all multimedia and web 2.1 on me. < 1292961966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: For every word, there is a sexual definition for it on Urban Dictionary. < 1292961977 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong. < 1292961980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely several. < 1292961996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You know, I had this /terrible/ feeling you were about to say "Wrong." when I said that. < 1292962013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I decided amending it to s/every/almost every/, but then I decided not to edit my joke just because of you :P < 1292962032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*considered < 1292962042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OED 'notch': "4. In various /fig./ uses. a. /coarse/ slang. The female genitals." < 1292962053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Still. :p < 1292962062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: BTW, does mcmap >foo work with the new IO superplexer? < 1292962081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (pipe(pipefd) != 0) < 1292962081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto no_terminal; < 1292962082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1292962082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no_terminal: < 1292962082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return; < 1292962082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1292962084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, without isatty(0) && isatty(1) it should just write into stdout as usual and not start it. < 1292962087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One would think "return;" might suffice. < 1292962100 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I was planning to have some sort of initialization done below there. < 1292962107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But can it support reading from plain stdin? < 1292962109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I couldn't invent anything to initialize. < 1292962116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, it doesn't do that at the moment. < 1292962121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz then we can have RIDICULOUSLY BLOATED BOTS that require Minecraft to be running for no good reason! < 1292962140 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can certainly add that. < 1292962147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like a good thing to have! < 1292962178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, also on OED 'notch': "N. Amer. colloq. and regional. to the notch and variants: to the right standard, to perfection, exactly." That can't be right... < 1292962188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nice (about getting back) < 1292962206 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292962250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"notch effect n. Materials Sci. the increase in the susceptibility of a specimen to fracture caused by the presence of a notch." -- but this could be generalized into some sort of software breakage use. < 1292962322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you got a testing server up on the beta server or something? My computer isn't strong enough to run the server properly, and I'd like to do some mcmap codeine. < 1292962336 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292962473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I've just been running it locally, and I don't feel like starting to add port-forwarding rules and all that to open things up. < 1292962493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Woot, I have a commit on my hands and no way to test it :P < 1292962519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :console.c:114: error: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of ‘cmd_parse’ differ in signedness < 1292962519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd.h:4: note: expected ‘unsigned char *’ but argument is of type ‘char *’ < 1292962521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh please. < 1292962652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are you getting a char * for cmd_parse, anyway? < 1292962660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That can only help one's grade... my grade cannot be helped ← ...how < 1292962687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've made it clear that the course is for simpletons and you are failing? < 1292962711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alternatively, what do you need cmd_parse for? < 1292962712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: readline. < 1292962717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And for //foo at the console. < 1292962722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It already works. < 1292962729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Really? Does inject_to_server do It? < 1292962730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do it? < 1292962740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/mcmap/commit/c336bce1afe12eb80f18bef1686766f4d8f43ee4 < 1292962751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I *think* it works. < 1292962756 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1292962757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually tried it. < 1292962771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I reworked it so that inject_to_server'd packets are processed as if they came from the client. < 1292962783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it should be indistinguishable from client-sent chat. < 1292962790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1292962801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What happens if you do //slap <99 chars>? < 1292962805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In-game. < 1292962813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what happens if you type "a" 101 times at the console? < 1292962820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably will get kicked. < 1292962827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right ... < 1292962858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually not at 101, but certainly at 105 or so. It was somewhere around there. < 1292962871 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either truncating or auto-splitting could be a nice feature. < 1292962885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truncating would be more IRCy. :p < 1292962894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Auto-splitting would be more "user-friendly IRC client"y.) < 1292962916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Alpha server will check the message to see if it begins with a '/'. If it doesn't, the username of the sender is prepended and sent to all other clients (including the original sender). If it does, the server assumes it to be a command and attempts to process it. A message longer than 100 characters will cause the server to kick the client. This limits the chat message packet length to 103 bytes. Note that this limit does not apply to incomi < 1292962916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ng chat messages as the server may have prepended other information, not limited to, but usually including, a username." < 1292962929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Infalliprotocollywiki says it's 100. < 1292962929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so it was 103 bytes per packet. < 1292962992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's 100 characters or 100 bytes. Could be either. < 1292963010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy (but boring) to check. < 1292963024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Deewiant, set up a server so I can test things. (I'm just going to bug random people until somebody does.) < 1292963037 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me how (I'm on Windows) < 1292963091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Run minecraft_server.exe. < 1292963101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've seen that mentioned on the download site.) < 1292963101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What fizzie said. < 1292963107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link it. < 1292963108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Also turn off monsters and PvP, or I'll eat your soul. < 1292963109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 100 bytes, not 100 chars. < 1292963122 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll put it on "hard". < 1292963125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://minecraft.net/download/Minecraft_Server.exe < 1292963125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://minecraft.net/download/Minecraft_Server.exe?v=1292963092965 < 1292963129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And you can't control the difficulty. < 1292963132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just monsters and pvp on vs off. < 1292963140 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, lame. < 1292963144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1292963150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you're going to be the only person there, how does PvP matter?-) < 1292963164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Because Deewiant will probably drop in and punch me to death. < 1292963165 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it seems to be 100 bytes, not 100 characters. < 1292963170 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292963179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" works, "äääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääääää" kicks me off. < 1292963187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have any pvp/monster settings < 1292963199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes it does. < 1292963201 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, tar.us.to:25565 may or may not work. < 1292963206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the "server.properties" file it generates somewhere. < 1292963208 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This GUI doesn't, and the help command doesn't list any. < 1292963213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same directory, I think. < 1292963234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:26:38 [DIED] main.c: 106: proxy thread (client -> server) write failed < 1292963238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just take it down, Deewiant? < 1292963244 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[INFO] ehird [/91.105.117.134:33325] logged in with entity id 4393 < 1292963245 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[INFO] ehird lost connection: disconnect.overflow < 1292963251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolz whats. < 1292963260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your mcmap, 'tis insufficient. < 1292963261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it happened to fizzie too. < 1292963263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works now, second connect. < 1292963272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I got kicked off. < 1292963279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I connected, got packet updates for a while, then got dumped. < 1292963280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without an error thist ime. < 1292963281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this time. < 1292963290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis weird; it works if I connect to localhost. < 1292963291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nice beta support :P < 1292963300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you surey ou're on the beat server? < 1292963300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beta < 1292963303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure you're < 1292963307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1292963309 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292963315 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, TEST FAST. < 1292963317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THIS WORKS < 1292963318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-12-21 21:15:44 [INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.0 < 1292963410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying without mcmap now. < 1292963435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: EOFException even without mcmap. < 1292963442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know. < 1292963444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:27:49 server -> client packet 0xff size 4294967048 < 1292963445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Concludion: ERGO ROUTER FAIL (or server fail or something) < 1292963448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably not all right. < 1292963520 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't had problems with any other kinds of servers thus far, so I blame the software. < 1292963570 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292963571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Considering it works for fizzie, that's a rather odd conclusion. :p < 1292963581 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work for fizzie? < 1292963590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie says it works for fizzie. As in, using a server on localhost. < 1292963590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, his server, you meant. < 1292963594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not running it on Windows. < 1292963613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does it say "Beta 1.0" for the version? (Though I don't suppose there are any others yet.) < 1292963622 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.0 < 1292963629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's Java, you know, write once, run anywhere, platform-agnostic. < 1292963634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Y'could try: < 1292963634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://minecraft.net/download/minecraft_server.jar?v=1292963598077 < 1292963636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar nogui < 1292963653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I use to start it; though it might be just timing-related things, or worldgen-related things. < 1292963663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written Java software with Windows-only hacks to make stuff work better. < 1292963681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you don't understand, write once, run ANYWHERE. < 1292963687 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been indoctramotated.) < 1292963689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anywho, nogui version running. < 1292963700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The noogie version. < 1292963723 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug. < 1292963726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write everywhere, run once. < 1292963736 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crash, give up. < 1292963775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So hey, dem forwarded ports. < 1292963780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1292963788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blonk. Yes, it certainly does seem to break even on a direct connection. < 1292963796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Any interesting messages in the server console? < 1292963807 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time it printed a few SocketExceptions. < 1292963817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.net.SocketException: Software caused connection abort: recv failed < 1292963817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead0(Native Method) < 1292963824 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer: socket write error < 1292963825 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at java.net.SocketOutputStream.socketWrite0(Native Method) < 1292963832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between ehird's join and quit < 1292963880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=110437 "my friends server has just been updated but me and a few other people are constantly crashing with errors such as: - internal exception: Java.EOFException - minecraft connection lost Internal exception: java.net.socket exception: socket caused connection abort: recv failed" < 1292963896 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch Engineering strikes again. < 1292963905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Notch quality < 1292963907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quality. < 1292963913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm having exactly the same problem - I've tried on multiple servers, and on both my mac and pc machines - I tried updated java to the latest version, I've tried deleting my MC /bin directory and getting new files downloaded, nothing seems to be working." < 1292963928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm beginning to hate Java -_-" < 1292963930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hate the Notch, not the game. < 1292963944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although hate Java too. < 1292963946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically just hate. < 1292964053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ooh -- "Bad packet id 158". < 1292964057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1292964058 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the server-ip in server.properties an address to bind to or its external IP? < 1292964064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DESYNCHRONISPORPOISE < 1292964193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No idea. < 1292964211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, -22 C outside < 1292964249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who called -10 C or whatever it was "really fucking cold" last week or so? < 1292964253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq i think < 1292964254 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much snow? < 1292964270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, it snowed a lot yesterday and the day before that < 1292964278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but it rarely snow when THIS cold < 1292964279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cm-depth < 1292964310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, snow blower used yesterday, hasn't snowed since then. So about 1 cm where it was used. Almost 2 meters in other places < 1292964326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hard to tell what it actually is since it tends to blow up against walls around here < 1292964329 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have weather services? < 1292964345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you mean, the weather services us with a lot of snow? ;P < 1292964356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sure, there is SMHI < 1292964357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that snow depth is a well-defined value :-P < 1292964365 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That they should report < 1292964370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and I don't know where to find it on there < 1292964451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isthesnowdepthinswedentodayreallyfuckingdeep.com: "YES" < 1292964457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's your value. < 1292964486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, at least over a meter I'd say < 1292964491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't find official values < 1292964531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The command-output-appears-as-CHAT is a regression. < 1292964539 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292964542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's all neon-coloured and unreadable now for those of us with lightbulb terminals. < 1292964561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no one uses those anyway < 1292964563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a feature < 1292964563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Use http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup < 1292964564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bug < 1292964581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use one, and I'm the only person who isn't fizzie who's contributed code, so there. < 1292964602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the same apply for server-sent yellow messages? < 1292964612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, closest observation is 32, but it is not very near < 1292964620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and due to wind it is much deeper locally < 1292964641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more harmonically harmonious when it does the same color-thing it does for all; there's the no-color option already, anyway. < 1292964645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but that's "less" problematic. < 1292964653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind the colours, I just don't like command output to be arbitrarily coloured. < 1292964660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, easy fix, force bg to black < 1292964663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason they're coloured in the client is because there's no other good way to indicate. < 1292964671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the console, there's [INFO] vs [CHAT] to indicate. < 1292964680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, make it an option < 1292964683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially considering that the coords response isn't chat by any reasonable definition of CHAT.) < 1292964683 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292964683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer coloured < 1292964692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm talking to fizzie, not you. < 1292964696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, calling it a regression is just wrong < 1292964711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's chat by the definition that "it's something sent to the client as chat". < 1292964728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, yes, but //coords is more info generated by mcmap than chat. < 1292964737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it makes //command and /command outputs work exactly the same. < 1292964747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean, this way, /mode changes/ come out as [CHAT]... which is just weird. < 1292964762 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want mode changes to be reported to the client chat, anyway. :p < 1292964768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, -c is broken. < 1292964771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> //coords < 1292964771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:52:11 [CHAT] §b//coords: x=-601, z=-16, y=68 < 1292964791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, ^D is broken too, I'll fix that. < 1292964793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't want mode changes to be reported to the client chat, anyway. :p <-- nor me < 1292964798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any special way to restore the terminal or is it atexited? < 1292964830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :console_cleanup() does the readline term-deprep if readline has been initialized. < 1292964839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about closing sockets and stuff? < 1292964865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you want ^D to do? < 1292964886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Quit; but I've already made it do that. < 1292964886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to exit, just exit; the cleanup is also atexit'd. < 1292964889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1292964912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, 'tis worky. < 1292964932 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And right, the nocolor-mode doesn't actually parse the color codes at all. I guess it would be better if it did but just didn't print the escape codes. < 1292964935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm going to let it send blank messages 'cuz that's totally useful. (If that's okay.) < 1292964942 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1292964952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's possible, sure. < 1292964964 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried a zero-length string chat message. < 1292964965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, yes. < 1292964989 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if the server doesn't mind getting those, by all means make it possible to send those too. < 1292965001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering I've sent many before, yes. :P < 1292965026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1292965027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:56:29 [CHAT] ! < 1292965027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1292965027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:56:30 [CHAT] ! < 1292965027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1292965030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they show as blank in Minecraft. < 1292965039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think there's a printing code bug. < 1292965048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ! might be printing 1 char of an uninitialised buffer. < 1292965049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1292965060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't print ! before you rewrote the console code, so. < 1292965083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1292965098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can take a look at that if you want. < 1292965108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's possibly something to look at. < 1292965111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you push the empty-message sending version. < 1292965123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing so. < 1292965165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Done < 1292965167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Done. < 1292965171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okkay. < 1292965187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okkkkkkkkay. < 1292965256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm. Should I make debug=1 builds go into a debug/ directory? I think I keep accidentally mixing -g and -O3 objects. < 1292965263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or I could just make debug=1 be the default. < 1292965270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*default.) < 1292965278 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it a good idea to give each configuration its own output directory < 1292965315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1292965335 0 :Goosey!~IceChat77@99-60-156-25.lightspeed.elpstx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292965342 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know of a good high traffick image hosting site? < 1292965356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: lemonparty.org < 1292965364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hosts an image and it's high-traffic. < 1292965375 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1292965378 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going there < 1292965381 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bastard < 1292965393 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try though < 1292965429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Got any nicer target directory names than _debug and _build? :p (Underscores to allow mental filtering-out in directory listings.) < 1292965503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am slowly -- but steadily -- leading mcmap onto the path of Java EE.) < 1292965513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I plan to port useful.make to Ant in a few days.) < 1292965524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aieee! < 1292965542 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ... ant? < 1292965560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes. But it will also require Maven. < 1292965567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maven? < 1292965577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You really don't want to know. < 1292965589 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually I do < 1292965598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Maven#Example < 1292965599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun. < 1292965602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be worse than ant < 1292965609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it's close. < 1292965619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for browser to load < 1292965619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, those XML files get WAY more enterprisey and generic and bloated for even simple projects. < 1292965638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. http://i.imgur.com/T1cao.jpg < 1292965644 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, different course < 1292965649 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292965658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I was unaware your college offered non-moronic courses? < 1292965675 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I presume maven still doesn't do proper dependency handling < 1292965692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The course I'm failing seems to be decent, except for problems that are my problems and not the course's < 1292965698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fucked if I know. < 1292965705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bugfixed the no-color mode: https://github.com/fis/mcmap/commit/188d632 (and that's actually your bug; it used to be a fwrite(msg, 1, msglen, stdout); and you log_print'ified it even though obviously (for some values of...) msg might not be null-terminated. (Otherwise I wouldn't have had a msglen parameter.) < 1292965720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, the optional final course is a chemistry course, a bit moronic, but I'm not failing it < 1292965755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, uh, your mother. < 1292965777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And no, you didn't quite bugfix it in that it still spews colour codes :P < 1292965787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. < 1292965826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I'll fix thatn ow. < 1292965830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that now. < 1292965844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, make it an option! < 1292965848 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292965854 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I do like the colour codes btw. < 1292965864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You like it spewing colour codes when colour is off? < 1292965865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes output easier to read < 1292965876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Please stop pinging me about mcmap. < 1292965877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, hm. If it is turned off ... < 1292965882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The no bitching policy applies. < 1292965886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, well, yes. It might be best that you just use the color-code parsing routine always, and nocolor-test away the escape-code outputs. < 1292965890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not to you, only to fizzie < 1292965895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I never agreed it to you < 1292965921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Stop pinging me to whine about mcmap. < 1292965983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pushed what "might" be a fix; untested due to lack of server that'll stay up long enough to check. < 1292966024 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The humans are dead < 1292966069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why < 1292966078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because I said so. < 1292966082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, local server? < 1292966094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough processing power to run Minecraft, the server, and mcmap at the same time. < 1292966105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, not without waiting a minute for it to stabilise. < 1292966112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.) < 1292966120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh, mcmap is not heavy. So run server on one computer, client and mcmap on another < 1292966122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1292966129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I /know/ you have an imac too < 1292966129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1292966132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do not have reasonable access to another computer. < 1292966140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so where is the imac? < 1292966142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The iMac is in a box and there's no free sockets here that I know of. < 1292966147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1292966148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My router also only has one Ethernet port. < 1292966155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wireless? < 1292966159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why the fix wouldn't work; and I've put in quite a lot of untested code. < 1292966165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or I could just push without testing, like Notch. < 1292966170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1292966173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And like me! < 1292966177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcmap: at least as stable as the game itself! < 1292966196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I haven't sold a million copies of mcmap and made them auto-update. :p < 1292966200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will ineiros update the server < 1292966208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: When hMod updates and he's sufficiently drunk. < 1292966215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously one can only upgrade servers when inebriated.) < 1292966221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can take care of the latter, but I don't know how to speed up the former. < 1292966237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Get hey0 drunk too? < 1292966292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, do you want to have some fun by looking into my GNU Make metaprogramming bug? < 1292966308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would make "make clean all" SLIGHTLY more convenient for all mcmap users! < 1292966430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnnnot right now. < 1292966480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define c-program-body < 1292966480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to-install += $(1) < 1292966480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to-clean += $(1) $(2:.c=.o) $(2:.c=.d) < 1292966480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(objdir)/$(1): $(2:%.c=$(objdir)/%.o) Makefile | $(objdir) ; \ < 1292966480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(call do,LINK,$(objdir)/$(1),$(cc.link) -o $(objdir)/$(1) \ < 1292966481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(2:%.c=$(objdir)/%.o)) < 1292966482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$(if $(cleaning),,-include $(2:%.c=$(objdir)/%.d)) < 1292966484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endef < 1292966486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HOW CAN YOU NOT WANT TO DEBUG THINGS LIKE THAT < 1292966819 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292966864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pushes < 1292966882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I think the build system "vaguely" complete now. < 1292966904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being able to set objdir in a less hacky manner in the Makefile should be possible (need to figure out how to handle that in useful.make), and an install target would be useful, but it's pretty good. < 1292966933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you have to do "make clean debug=1" for it to clean a debug build properly. Although that might be the Right Thing. < 1292967089 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292967265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Lua lets you drop parens for single-argument functions. < 1292967268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, seemingly. < 1292967275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, only for string and list literals? What. < 1292967712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changequote(` ',` < 1292967713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :') < 1292967714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA M < 1292967715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*M4 < 1292967738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1292967943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what're you doing m4 for? < 1292967949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No reason whatsoever. < 1292968019 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292968066 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292968173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I motion that m4 be made an honourary esolang. < 1292968186 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292968210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All in favour? < 1292968326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It always has been. < 1292968500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not OFFICIALLY! < 1292968533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I still have to send a message to Fidelity < 1292968642 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what are the properties of the entity you call Fidelity? < 1292968673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, possibly having possession of materials related to BancSTAR < 1292968698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wait, it's a *person*? < 1292968699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Called Fidelity? < 1292968712 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are *people* called Fidelity? < 1292968713 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, I implied it's a person? < 1292968725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Okay, so you didn't. < 1292968734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's that! < 1292968738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise a corporation would prefer to forget bancstar ever existed right? < 1292968739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I assume he assumed it was Alluded To Female. < 1292968755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh. female names like that were once common (not that specific attribute) < 1292968772 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are people called Faith and Hope < 1292968777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well yes, but it's also 2010 here. < 1292968783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... Fidelity? < 1292968783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, in direct violation of Hoover's Naming Law. < 1292968791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faith and Hope I can kind of understand, even though they're terrible names. < 1292968792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fidelity?? < 1292968802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think Honesty also happened < 1292968825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think this is God's way of telling us that he likes eugenics. < 1292968859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that Python-y-syntaxed language that was on the level of C? < 1292968866 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cython? < 1292968867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Felicity". If you EVER have the urge to call a child "Fidelity", at least extend that kindness to it. < 1292968880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the think like Vala but with Pythony syntax1 < 1292968882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1292968883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1292968883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated to Python. < 1292968887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, not that either (Genie). < 1292968899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The homepage had a screenshot of some mandelbrot program written in it, I think. < 1292968906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low-fi site, IIRC it had no CSS. < 1292968928 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Felicia Day? < 1292968947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what? < 1292968960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Felicity" kind of sounds like "Felicia" < 1292968965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1292968983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, and "Seth" sounds a bit like "Zath". < 1292968988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a voiced "th". < 1292968989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds a bit like Zach. < 1292968992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds a bit like Exactly. < 1292968996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE CALLED NOW. < 1292968996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds a bit like Eggsactly. < 1292969001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds a bit like eggs. < 1292969003 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been called Zach before < 1292969005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are OVARIES. < 1292969010 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292969011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is, Sgeo is ovaries. < 1292969020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Via logic. < 1292969021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott sounds a bit like "Elliot" which sounds a bit like "Eliott". < 1292969033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I will make your intestines into a stew. < 1292969034 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1292969051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sorry, is that sound a ł rather than an l? < 1292969070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292969074 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thou‑Shalt‑Not‑Commit‑Adultery Pulsifer?" he said, when she'd finished. < 1292969075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That sort of name was quite common in those days," said Anath­ema. "Apparently there were ten children and they were a very religious family. There was Covetousness Pulsifer, False‑Witness Pulsifer‑" < 1292969075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I didn't realise that the Soviety government owned Tetris. :) < 1292969101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Suffer-The-Little-Children-Onto-Me Jones. < 1292969117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fun fact: my real name has an "mhn" in it! < 1292969126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Phantomhn Hoover? < 1292969135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the principle! < 1292969152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantomhnoover < 1292969160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think I ever want to know your real name, you're just Phantom to me. < 1292969165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be weird. < 1292969170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phamhntom_Hoover < 1292969188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :J_Edgar_Hoover < 1292969193 0 :J_Edgar_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: BROTHER. < 1292969237 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, good omens? < 1292969237 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292969241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1292969247 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you need to *ask*? < 1292969261 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how can you quote books in about 30 seconds? < 1292969262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, yes, well, it was some time ago I read it < 1292969274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Pyramids is underquoted < 1292969278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just me < 1292969278 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you don't have a library a metre to your left. < 1292969280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: It's this thing called computers, they can sort and search data pretty fast! < 1292969295 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but did you know that putting books on computers is PIRACY? < 1292969327 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, I love weird little phonemes that appear in about 2 languages. < 1292969329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/datasets ← the worst pirates of them all. < 1292969345 0 :J_Edgar_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gyaah, I like Pyramids but I don't want to support Vorpal by quoting it. < 1292969358 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_labiodental_plosive < 1292969365 0 :J_Edgar_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Von Labiodental. < 1292969371 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't used in _a single language_. < 1292969377 0 :J_Edgar_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's used in TWENTY!" < 1292969385 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns up occasionally in two. < 1292969403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: NameDB (which is pretty small, only 30000 names) says there's two "mhn"-containing names, Adhamhnan (Irish-Gaelic, "little Adam") and Domhnall (Scots-Gaelic, "ruler of the earth"). < 1292969418 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no comment. < 1292969419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Edgar_Hoover, take for instance this stunned seagull (note: quoting from memory, YMMV) < 1292969436 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naming someone "ruler of the earth" sounds a bit... suspicious. < 1292969444 0 :J_Edgar_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: Didn't you say it started with A? < 1292969448 0 :J_Edgar_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that my bad memory? < 1292969450 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Edgar_Hoover, no comment. < 1292969457 0 :J_Edgar_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Adhamhnan < 1292969468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does /usr/share/words contain person names? < 1292969473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Frankly, we should be catching these people earlier. I mean, if you have a kid named 'Death-tron' enrolled in school..." < 1292969475 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suspiciously close to "Saddam", I might add. < 1292969476 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in HUSSEIN. < 1292969491 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, that's what takes up all your disk space! < 1292969493 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Source? < 1292969498 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling just showed one archived TV Tropes discussion page. :p < 1292969511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adhamhnan: That Ozy and Millie webcomic, though I located that quote from the aforementioned tvtropes discussion page. < 1292969524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I was reminded of it I actually bothered to find the actual strip too. < 1292969540 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" In other news, Penguin Classics has decided not to publish all the commas removed from Humboldt’s Gift by Mr. Bellow while he was originally revising the manuscript." < 1292969541 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat. < 1292969543 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"In < 1292969563 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1292969573 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adhamhnan, it's cited to Ozy and Millie, so the original source will be a PNG. < 1292969586 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: Right. Unless someone goes and transcribes them all. < 1292969587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The template I made is #411 on most transcluded templates < 1292969589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ozyandmillie.org/d/20040603.html < 1292969593 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE < 1292969597 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ego ego ego. < 1292969611 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Jesus. < 1292969618 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell did you do that? < 1292969619 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is Jesus. < 1292969624 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adhamhnan, you reminded me of it recently < 1292969626 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just flipped through every comic, sequentially, until he found that one. < 1292969630 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With his cyborg mind. < 1292969632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: That's nothing strange: it's in a published book, and Google books search finds things inside the speech bubbles. < 1292969635 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Jesus is a cyborg.) < 1292969640 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNEW IT < 1292969641 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, O.o < 1292969644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=ozy+and+millie+%22death-tron%22&btnG=Search+Books < 1292969645 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...I love you. < 1292969650 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot ever imagine thinking, < 1292969656 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh! I remember! They published those comics in a book." < 1292969660 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm... Google transcribe books..." < 1292969663 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To Google Book Search!" < 1292969666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even highlights the word inside the bubble. < 1292969673 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aha, there it is... now what comic number is it... there we GO..." < 1292969676 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...aaaaand link it." < 1292969678 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In, what, seconds. < 1292969713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the book name says it's 2004, and after seeing it in context, I remembered the whole sequence was about eradicating evil, so that was just "/evil" in the 2004 archive. < 1292969715 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292969740 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: equality of functors is annoying..... < 1292969740 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you have anything, you know, useful in your brain? :p < 1292969743 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I do.) < 1292969749 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: isn't it just equality of functions? < 1292969752 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, admittedly, just as annoying < 1292969756 0 :Adhamhnan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1292969787 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just have simple functions f,g : X -> Y then f = g is forall x, f x = g x. < 1292969800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... are the functors more complex? < 1292969802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they are, aren't they < 1292969819 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let C,D be categories and F,G : C -> D functors. Then we need to say that forall X, FX=GX and only then can we even state that for all f : X -> Y, Ff = Gf < 1292969831 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Ff and Gf have different types (unless FX=GX and FY=GY) < 1292969841 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Coq does not like that... < 1292969879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you could do it in the same way as subtypes? maybe? < 1292969891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: except, just use a bijection < 1292969895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i.e. make it Ff <==> Gf < 1292969901 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know about subtypes < 1292969903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where <==> is just a function bijection < 1292969909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by subtypes i just mean like... < 1292969912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just go for a bijection? < 1292969921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall f:X->Y, Ff <===> Gf < 1292969928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where <===> is just two functions, both ways < 1292969932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a proof of equality < 1292969936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: Incidentally, I think it's done with OCR, and it's not especially good, since the regular-google excerpt text contains "HAVE ft WD NAMED DEATH-TRON", so it's gotten the "A KID" part wrong. < 1292969937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. to (fro x) = x and fro (to x) = x < 1292969973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort of see A → ft, but W → KI is a bit less believable. < 1292969994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1292969995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the other way around. < 1292969996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Heh. < 1292969999 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laments the lack of names equivalent to "dark lord". < 1292970029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: "Phantom Hoover". < 1292970107 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: line 306 of http://coq.pastebin.com/hRgqWQ6H - same thing as before except with SET now < 1292970142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: looks pretty good to me? I might be missing something < 1292970154 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCaml: worth learning? < 1292970170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: Maybe. < 1292970181 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse than Haskell? < 1292970182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: It's like Haskell but impure, strict and unsafe. Also very, very, very, very, very, very fast. < 1292970188 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a type error "Hom' (MapOb C D G X) (MapOb C D G Y)" while it is expected to have type "Hom' (MapOb C D F X) (MapOb C D F Y)". < 1292970188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Competitive with C. < 1292970194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ahh < 1292970195 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we know that GX = FX... < 1292970204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you need to do equality elimination? < 1292970205 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, speed is for the weak! < 1292970209 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292970215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: like make it H and prove FX=HX and GX=HX < 1292970225 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just start fresh and see if I can set things with this in mind < 1292970346 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if A=B means we have a map A-->B < 1292970371 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292970377 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more "use A or B, doesn't matter" < 1292970396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well yeah, but you can say A<=>B instead of A=B if coq doesn't like A=B < 1292970397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the same < 1292970404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously you have to define <=>) < 1292970414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "the same" < 1292970421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every set of the same cardinality is equal by that definition < 1292970422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We paid for a product, whether it was finished or not, and we as customers deserve to have a working product. Therefore using us as guinea pigs throwing nonfunctional code at us is not right." Yet another way to solve any sort of an energy crisis would be to figure out a way to extract energy from all this indignation. < 1292970439 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be too relaxed? < 1292970455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: maybe ... but it'll definitely work < 1292970461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: and i personally think sets with the same cardinality *are* the same :) < 1292970477 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phamhntom_Hoover: It's like Haskell but impure, strict and unsafe. Also very, very, very, very, very, very fast. ← so wait, it doesn't have the nice bits of Haskell but is faster? < 1292970480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: At the same time, anyone complaining about a bug in ANY WAY and saying that Minecraft isn't tested at all gets told "lol UR the tester". < 1292970488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which is just silly. < 1292970493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: It's still a functional language. < 1292970541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know that Python-ish C-level language? I distinctly recall it ... < 1292970656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww man, you were able to store things in your 2x2 inventory crafting area until the beta update. < 1292970658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that. < 1292970697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The super-rare thing is just a single person's special outfit. < 1292970712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "The downside of the mojang cape is that everyone thinks it's an item and therefore they can kill me to receive one" --C41813981398189. < 1292970715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think we have a duty here. < 1292970732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["The mojang cape is [...] an item and therefore they can kill me to receive one" --/r/Minecraft; hopefully intentional.) < 1292970735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(" < 1292970747 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, clevur. < 1292970782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wasn't the cape thing already mentioned in the same list as the "even more rare" thing? < 1292970798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Jeb doth beggeth to differ; http://i.imgur.com/XJDhN.png < 1292970822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we track Notch down and brutally murder him, repeatedly, in a futile attempt to get the cape. < 1292970830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just because DAMMIT NOTCH. < 1292970837 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then what? < 1292970842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: Then we kill him some more. < 1292970844 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay; so it's a single-person special thing in addition to the cape. < 1292970851 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are we suggesting to kill notch? < 1292970852 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who else will be masochistic enough to develop his code further? < 1292970858 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey, because he's an IDIOT. < 1292970866 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that < 1292970872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because CAPE. < 1292970892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: Because god dammit Notch. < 1292970897 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1292970916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is for a bug. And this is for another bug! And we'll be here until Saturday! < 1292970968 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Minecraft < 1292970973 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so fucking laggy < 1292970989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: Yes, it's because of DEAF LECAY. < 1292970991 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play crysis, but not minecraft? < 1292970992 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "This is for a bug! This is for the 43 bugs and 3 "fixes" of entertaining aspects of gameplay you removed in the bugfix!" < 1292971002 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if i delete all the trees in an area....:D < 1292971004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: This is because you're Swedish! < 1292971012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just because I hate you! < 1292971022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://twitter.com/Ridder_Graniet/status/17306802005741569 http://twitter.com/notch/status/17306923489566720 < 1292971037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notch could be the ultimate troll if he wanted to be. < 1292971038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hilarious would it be if he made one more release which was incredibly and purposefully broken and then retired from Minecraft." < 1292971048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't he already making releases that are incredibly and purposefully broken? < 1292971049 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it < 1292971055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any other explanation for the bugs. < 1292971066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" please make that minecraft can handle ä,ü and ö" " coming tomorrow, I fixed it before I left work today" -- I didn't even know they were broken. < 1292971068 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to block the patch updater and run old minecraft :/ < 1292971075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/SQhzh.png What. < 1292971080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: good luck using SMP < 1292971081 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because Notch does not actually understand coding. < 1292971087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: http://i.imgur.com/SQhzh.png Indeed. < 1292971103 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play smp much < 1292971104 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too broken < 1292971116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: LOL DUPLICATION. < 1292971119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every time you throw a tool, two or more of that same tool are thrown. Each of those, when picked up, can also duplicate when thrown. < 1292971119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you die, every tool you have is thrown, and is subject to the same duplication. < 1292971119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best part is is that duplicated tools are unusable. The server detects them as duplicates, and thus are immediately destroyed after one use. Add this to the few PKers that camp the spawn point and you get tools everywhere." < 1292971125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL SMP < 1292971127 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still eludes me why anyone would decide to have two completely separate lumps of code for single- and multiplayer/ < 1292971133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: SMP isn't all that buggy if you disable the survival part. < 1292971135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. health. < 1292971144 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *obvious* that SP is just a special case of MP. < 1292971151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/GNrcO.jpg MY SOULMATE < 1292971190 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, inventory < 1292971192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Beta, taking everything working in alpha and breaking it, and then adding leaf decay." < 1292971193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can either have leaf decay or everything else, make up your minds." < 1292971205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: Well, it's server-side now. So duplication is broken. :p < 1292971209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a feature!) < 1292971212 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idc about leaf decay < 1292971216 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not playing MC until Notch fixes things to ineiros' high standards. < 1292971218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: "The downside of the mojang cape is that everyone thinks it's an item and therefore they can kill me to receive one" --C41813981398189. <-- hah < 1292971226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is complete anarchy in there right now... < 1292971227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The laws of physics don't even apply. I got in a boat and sank through the ground." < 1292971232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still like to know if adding 360*24*60*60*1000 to the value in ~/.minecraft/bin/version will automagically block the updating functionality (for the next year) without disabling the logging-in thing. < 1292971244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1292971253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turning and turning in the widening gyre < 1292971254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The falcon cannot hear the falconer; < 1292971254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; < 1292971254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, < 1292971254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere < 1292971254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ceremony of innocence is drowned; < 1292971256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best lack all conviction, while the worst < 1292971258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are full of passionate intensity. < 1292971263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you know that was about the Minecraft beta? < 1292971290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And not a single fuck was given that day.) < 1292971300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"on one server I got in a boat, which forced me out of the server from some java socket error. then when I came back both me and the boat were still there. then the boat left my clone sitting in the air and decided to repeatedly smash itself into a stone wall. this all took place in my mine." < 1292971314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"on one server I got in a boat, which forced me out of the server from some java socket error. then when I came back both me and the boat were still there. then the boat left my clone sitting in the air and decided to repeatedly smash itself into a stone wall. this all took place in my mine." < 1292971316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1292971318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Inaccurate. That JPEG has a much better framerate than Minecraft on Windows 7 64 currently.{I used to get 30-40 in Alpha on Far}" < 1292971319 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292971325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 FPS, fuck yeah. < 1292971349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I can play crysis, but not minecraft? < 1292971360 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :252) I can play crysis, but not minecraft? < 1292971381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not playing MC until Notch fixes things to ineiros' high standards. < 1292971387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should just get the hellworld out again. < 1292971395 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I used to get 150-160 :/ < 1292971399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WANT CHAOS?! I'LL GIVE YOU CHAOS!! < 1292971401 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I get 10-15 at best < 1292971423 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly < 1292971427 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I think of the source for minecraft < 1292971433 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If MC were any less fun to play, I wouldn't be playing it until Notch left and Donald Knuth rewrote it from scratch. < 1292971444 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help but think how terribly obfuscated and inefficient it is < 1292971445 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should just get rid of Minecraft. If more people want it someone can make using GNU GPL v3 or later version, with different people, might improve slightly. < 1292971455 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably looks like rat shit < 1292971458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: I don't think anyone's actually analysed the performance. < 1292971458 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey, the best part is that Notch is going to RELEASE it! < 1292971466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Maybe they should just get rid of Minecraft. If more people want it someone can make using GNU GPL v3 or later version, with different people, might improve slightly. < 1292971466 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once everyone's stopped buying. < 1292971467 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :253) Maybe they should just get rid of Minecraft. If more people want it someone can make using GNU GPL v3 or later version, with different people, might improve slightly. < 1292971483 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, given the state of beta, I would estimate to be in about 3 weeks. < 1292971498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd still like to know if adding 360*24*60*60*1000 to the value in ~/.minecraft/bin/version will automagically block the updating functionality (for the next year) without disabling the logging-in thing. <--- does that work? < 1292971498 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s < 1292971503 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now I mean < 1292971506 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal < 1292971507 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try < 1292971515 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292971516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If I knew, I wouldn't have to wonder. < 1292971538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a copy of the old version < 1292971538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You could just try, with an old backup. < 1292971540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling it won't, since it'd be so easy I'd have seen it on the forumlons. < 1292971540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have one. < 1292971553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If you mean minecraftforum, um, the average IQ is something like "duck" there. < 1292971573 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loaded flatgrass < 1292971574 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lag < 1292971577 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid trees < 1292971577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have gotten the updates when I've just copied the minecraft.jar in place and left the new-version "version" file in place, so I think it does check the .jar files too, but that's just me. < 1292971586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURN THE TREES. < 1292971592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s < 1292971595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this terrible thing < 1292971620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, come on do the Qt 4 dance! < 1292971623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtfo < 1292971635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why hasn't someone modded the client to say to the server, "oh ho, yes, yes, I am version 34589734589345 and my hash is bork"? < 1292971636 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, go download Oolite and play it for a while. It should stop you talking for a while. < 1292971637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey, so did changing that version actually work? < 1292971643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants there to be a GTK+ dance < 1292971645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's _possible_, by definition, anyway. < 1292971694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone has; I haven't tried to find out a way to play with the old version (and still participate in the authentication stuff) very hard. < 1292971739 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, nope :/ < 1292971795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does *nobody* know of that language? < 1292971881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which language? < 1292971905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It had a Python-y syntax but was about as low level as C. *Not* related to Python like Cython is or anything. < 1292971919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell us anything more about it? < 1292971924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite barebones web page; I think it had no CSS or something although IIRC there was a screenshot on the left or right with some mandelbrot written in it running... I think with a tiling WM, unantialiased X fonts? < 1292971926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nope, I don't recall much. < 1292971929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was on reddit once, I think. < 1292971932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, vala? < 1292971932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very helpful. :p < 1292971934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1292971938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Vala isn't Python-like at all. < 1292971944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay < 1292971946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genie, which is Vala's alternative "frontend", is, but no. < 1292971953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had indentation-based syntax etc. < 1292971970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no clue < 1292971974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr < 1292971977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Grr. < 1292971979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1292971991 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The closer you are to the batsman, the sillier you are. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1292971995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, only indention based languages I know of are: python, haskell, make < 1292972008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, only ones I can remember atm < 1292972018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was it mentioned in here? < 1292972018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It wasn't a well-known thing. < 1292972023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I linked it ... maybe. < 1292972023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if so you could grep the logs < 1292972035 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stumped. < 1292972047 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to look at the MSE codes to learn some things that I might or might not use to make TeXnicard. < 1292972056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: My arms are a bloody stump. < 1292972136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that might be very likely to block the updates would be just to rewrite the "version" field of the response the launcher gets for "http://www.minecraft.net/game/getversion.jsp?..." (with a transparent-Squid and a script or whatever) to whatever you have; that way the launcher just won't try to download new packages, but it will still use the has-logged-in session ID for server connections. (Of course assumes the server is old enough to speak the same < 1292972136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol.) < 1292972157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, oolite looks... primitive? < 1292972172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft looks... primitive? < 1292972175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, heck, even vegastrike has better graphics < 1292972185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough, but in a different way < 1292972189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, elliott, I was going to say the same < 1292972194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oolite is an Elite clone. < 1292972195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1292972199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay < 1292972216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to that you would have responded with indignation < 1292972217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If it looks better than http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/BBC_Micro_Elite_screenshot.png, it's doing it right. :p < 1292972218 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: induction on syntax < 1292972231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: to implement a compiler? < 1292972244 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well, there are expansion packs with extremely advanced graphics. < 1292972244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or interpreter, whatever < 1292972249 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for equality of functors < 1292972260 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much so that I cannot use them since they break my graphics card. < 1292972261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ah < 1292972291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, ever played EV override? < 1292972295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, you might love it < 1292972296 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1292972299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oolite_%28video_game%29#Critical_reception_and_reviews Rather well-praised. < 1292972313 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to say I like it, but I got Vegastrike's interstellar movement stuck in my head. The idea of being fast when little gravity is acting on you, and slowing down near large masses < 1292972334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, classic mac, doesn't run under sheepshaver. So you need a real classic mac for it. Or an ppc mac os x with classic emulation < 1292972337 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how utterly silly. < 1292972341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a* < 1292972357 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Oolite is cross-platform in a beautifully hideous way! < 1292972373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, right, ev override was shareware < 1292972387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, ambrosia software (I presume you heard about it) < 1292972411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.27:18:53:21 ===> Checking for vulnerabilities in python26-2.6.6nb2 < 1292972411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.27:18:53:21 Package python26-2.6.6nb2 has a denial-of-service vulnerability, see http://secunia.com/advisories/41279/ < 1292972411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.27:18:53:32 same for python25 < 1292972411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.27:18:53:38 i guess i could try python24 < 1292972422 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses Objective-C and the original Mac version was very OS X dependent, so all ports use the GNUstep libraries! < 1292972424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, looks like freebsd < 1292972428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NetBSD < 1292972432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1292972434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/NetBSD/Big Brother/ < 1292972438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Big Brother/Friend Computer/ < 1292972443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Friend Computer/NO YOU CAN'T INSTALL PYTHON/ < 1292972477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ambrosia software is right up there along with spiderweb software amongst "cool sharware companies") < 1292972481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't you agree? < 1292972487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1292972487 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, see http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Griff_Industries for the ultra-cool OpenGL my-computer-breakery. < 1292972489 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292972500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ambrosia soured me a bit. < 1292972517 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how so? < 1292972525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Microsoft Allegiance < 1292972528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have this audio tool that lets you multiplex/redirect/etc. audio streams that I used to be able to record what's coming out of the sound and save it; except that its < 1292972541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its? < 1292972550 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate day/night cycle < 1292972551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trial period is over" mode was to randomly say "Hey, this is not registered, I am a generic female voice" (well, not /exactly/ that) over your recordings. < 1292972551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stop doing mc cutting on irc! < 1292972557 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST WANT TO BUILD DAMNIT < 1292972560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very irritating. < 1292972580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ev override had unusual trial period over stuff too < 1292972585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiwinia < 1292972591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heard about it < 1292972607 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Introversion < 1292972610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and introversion is also right up there among cool companies < 1292972621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Introversion is *the* coolest company. < 1292972629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One disc has Windows/Mac/Linux binaries, and is the only disc sold. < 1292972634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another disc has the freaking SOURCE CODE. < 1292972639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they allow mods to be redistributed. < 1292972643 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could just add another axiom to Category < 1292972659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can *buy a disc with the source code on* and *redistribute your modifications, even as binaries*. < 1292972662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I rather disliked Uplink. Loved the music, not so much the game < 1292972669 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I only tried the trial version < 1292972672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Darwinia better? < 1292972674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game is awesome. < 1292972678 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that is because, as has been established, you have terrible taste. < 1292972685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwinia I haven't played due to not having a good enough computer when it came out. < 1292972686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Introversion is *the* coolest company. <-- no < 1292972690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. It really is. < 1292972696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they never released the final darwinia upgrade for linux < 1292972705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that took them down a notch < 1292972706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I see. So what company is better? < 1292972715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't name one: SORRY, still the coolest. < 1292972716 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I had great fun once I worked out that with a single relatively-high risk hack you can get a million currencies. < 1292972718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I don't know any. But they are not perfect < 1292972727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: Heh. I could never get the storyline to start. < 1292972728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still they are cool, but that thing soured me a bit < 1292972728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb. < 1292972728 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292972743 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I shouldn't have read about the storyline < 1292972754 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can go from crappy starting equipment, with some bank-oriented upgrade to OMGAWESOME supercomputer. < 1292972760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Darwinia I haven't played due to not having a good enough computer when it came out. <-- wait what < 1292972767 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*upgrades < 1292972771 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll try it agan < 1292972773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1292972775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, darwinia (awesome awesome) has *retro* graphics < 1292972790 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Darwinia trial? < 1292972792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is low polygon < 1292972797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, think so < 1292972798 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, there's a demo. < 1292972803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1292972806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah demo < 1292972810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the full thing of course < 1292972813 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe after Monday I'll try it < 1292972823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, first thing: disable mouse gesture interface < 1292972827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is bloody annoying < 1292972827 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uplink doesn't work on modern Linux systems, though, due to the evils of shared libraries. < 1292972830 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Braid. And get back to work on the Project < 1292972837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, ouch < 1292972843 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I know! < 1292972844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ban all IPs on Wikisuperosity < 1292972846 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd and and < 1292972848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, was uplink the nuclear war one? < 1292972858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Uplink's the "hacking" one < 1292972860 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, the Hollywood hacking simulator. < 1292972865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292972868 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played it < 1292972870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cool < 1292972894 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, after completing the storyline about 5 times and hacking into every system in existence twice I got bored. < 1292972896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a real shell < 1292972911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could delete a box's os < 1292972918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd die < 1292972922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1292972926 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: never side with ARC in the story mode; spreading that virus is ridiculously hard/ < 1292972949 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded a revelation.exe from a fansite once. Never opened it, never intended to < 1292972974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe in a VM < 1292972976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, I presume a chroot with older linux would work < 1292972980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, when approx? < 1292972991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... 2001 < 1292972993 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you run the revelation you get from the Arunmor campaign, you get a 30-second, autonomous way of taking out any server. < 1292973002 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it was their first game. < 1292973007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :little chance of automagic deb chroot then < 1292973015 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subversion looks so cool. < 1292973027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, link? < 1292973037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could deposit into a bank < 1292973040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1292973040 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.introversion.co.uk/subversion/ is the development blog. < 1292973056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the money woiyuold be there < 1292973061 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's extremely sporadic. < 1292973065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a new game < 1292973077 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, if you got caught? < 1292973080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would < 1292973082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1292973084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, what is the game about? < 1292973088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, subversion I mean < 1292973098 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the full version, at least, you could hack into the police servers and get people framed. < 1292973101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 the Uplink music < 1292973107 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty common mission. < 1292973112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1292973133 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although IIRC you can't get the elliptic curve decipherer in the demo, so good luck with that. < 1292973167 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Subversion is AFAIK a Mission Impossibley game where you're the nerd in the van. < 1292973214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, awesome < 1292973220 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFCON is also pretty cool. < 1292973227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, that was the nuclear one < 1292973242 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since you can have a pretty good time in MP even if you only get the demo. < 1292973265 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXyHhyDzE7w LISTEN TO IT < 1292973323 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else was awesome? < 1292973329 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The soundtrack for Micro Men. < 1292973351 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, since it was a fringe docudrama that only aired on BBC 4, it'll never be released. < 1292973359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, have a copy of uplink? < 1292973376 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, on the old family Mac. < 1292973380 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on this computer. < 1292973382 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y8IkcUGV9w < 1292973383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, for linux? < 1292973395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy it. < 1292973397 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skip forward until music is playing. < 1292973405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if it doesn't run any more... < 1292973429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quake ii still runs! < 1292973432 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved that thing... < 1292973434 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, advocating purchasing data? < 1292973435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a chroot < 1292973437 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's libgtk1 IIRC. < 1292973441 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the world is ending < 1292973442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1292973448 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other stupidly low version. < 1292973449 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, *gah* < 1292973456 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's purchasing from INTROVERSION. < 1292973458 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D < 1292973467 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, watch Micro Men to take your mind off it. < 1292973486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, nah, after I listen to the video Sgeo linked < 1292973499 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of Perfect Dark music (but more awesome than that) < 1292973507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though Perfect Dark was a pretty awesome game) < 1292973523 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, that music brings back memories. < 1292973533 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Uplink music.) < 1292973538 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try the game(s) I made. I made many different kind. < 1292973569 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you are not Introversion. < 1292973612 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can download the soundtrack from Introversion I think < 1292973624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that soundtrack is long < 1292973641 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: You are correct about that. But maybe try it anyways. < 1292973647 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, are you watching Micro Men < 1292973669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, no, the one Sgeo linked < 1292973683 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to a YouTube commentor, there may be a glitch in the video < 1292973687 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the Uplink soundtrack is long, obviously. < 1292973691 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292973702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, I will watch the other one when you help me find uplink (I bought darwinia, after I tried it) < 1292973709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I never buy something before trying) < 1292973730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, what time? < 1292973738 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, http://www.introversion.co.uk/uplink/downloads/uplink-demo-1.54.sh < 1292973738 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7:50 some awesomeness < 1292973750 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be able to fix it better than I. < 1292973761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, I meant full version < 1292973765 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of game http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/games/xnazzyball.png or http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/games/meskilb.png or http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/games/oldgamescreen/009.png or http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/games/DiskCatch2.png or http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/screen.png < 1292973774 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, not sure. < 1292973784 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got the Mac version from Ambrosia. < 1292973790 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, NO. < 1292973790 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, DF clone? < 1292973793 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you don't know without a description. < 1292973795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, they were involved? < 1292973805 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is DF clone? < 1292973809 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they're Introversion's Mac distributor AFAIK. < 1292973817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I hate puzzle games in general < 1292973823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, ah < 1292973824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the graphics of that last screenshot look like they're from Dwarf Fortress < 1292973827 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Darwinia, Multiwinia, DEFCON and Uplink. < 1292973831 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1292973849 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, their trial-over stuff is on crack however < 1292973850 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They aren't. They are the CP437 character set, though. < 1292973858 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, but less literate. < 1292973859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as exemplified by elliott) < 1292973874 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, are you watching Micro Men yes < 1292973874 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292973876 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yet < 1292973880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, uplink still < 1292973888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, several minutes left < 1292973893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, sorry about upstaging you < 1292973904 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you watch Micro Men. < 1292973914 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the Uplink soundtrack is over < 1292973916 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the best thing the BBC have made since forever. < 1292973937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, well. We will see. < 1292973956 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, there's glitching around 11:20 < 1292973967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, but uplink music reminds me of Perfect Dark in parts < 1292973968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all parts though < 1292973973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that is only natural considering the genre < 1292973980 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glitching ends before 11:30 < 1292973984 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have a copy of Perfect Dark somewhere!! < 1292974003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, well, it doesn't work well under mupen64plus < 1292974007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, that is all I can say < 1292974007 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the last screen-shot, if you want information (and list of things that are not true in the "Criticize" section), see: http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=Super_ASCII_MZX_Town < 1292974011 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never *played* it, and I'm not entirely confident it or the second-hand N64 work, but.. < 1292974024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, hah < 1292974034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, it is, or was, an awesome game < 1292974050 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, <3 Rogue Squadron, incidentally. < 1292974059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the only reason pirating minecraft was acceptable for demoing is because there is no demo offered. you can easily figure out whether you'll like uplink from the demo. if you just want to pirate it, fine, but don't phrase it as trying-before-you-buy. < 1292974062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't expect Phamhntom_Hoover to help you < 1292974085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, never played that < 1292974089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, genre? < 1292974102 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, space-sim-but-not-really. < 1292974107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, hm < 1292974130 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *should* be a space sim, but exactly one of the levels are in anything that could be called space. < 1292974132 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Now do you like this game? < 1292974175 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hardened me against escort missions early on. < 1292974188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: the only reason pirating minecraft was acceptable for demoing is because there is no demo offered. you can easily figure out whether you'll like uplink from the demo. if you just want to pirate it, fine, but don't phrase it as trying-before-you-buy. < 1292974188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and don't expect Phamhntom_Hoover to help you < 1292974206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some of the puzzles do not work correctly except on the author's computer" < 1292974226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, those criticisms are all jokes? < 1292974242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're not supposed to kill BIG_MONSTER? < 1292974247 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That isn't true, though. Everything in the criticisms list is untrue. < 1292974251 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: axioms like forall {X X' Y}, ObEq X X' -> Hom X Y -> Hom X' Y can't be realized < 1292974257 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rogue Squadron and OoT were basically the first games I played. < 1292974265 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Criticisms says to kill the BIG_MONSTER... < 1292974265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: goodbye constructivism :P < 1292974275 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there needs to be a way... < 1292974304 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes you shouldn't kill BIG_MONSTER. (You can't, anyways. But even if you could, you shouldn't. You should kill MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER though, because they are bad and BIG_MONSTER can help you to beat them.) < 1292974345 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understand? < 1292974358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides not to trust zzo38 to write cross-platform software < 1292974374 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides not to trust zzo38 for ANYTHING. < 1292974394 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so you have to use the same forked version of MegaZeux that zzo38 wrote" < 1292974414 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: This game is cross-platform software. Most of the software I write is cross-platform software and most of it works. (I have even tested some of my programs on Linux and they work.) < 1292974426 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-228-8.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292974448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, so what about that micromen < 1292974455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, decent music, but that's it < 1292974458 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I meant in the sense of "is likely to write his own fork of the platform and make it run exclusively on that" < 1292974459 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That is for Part II. Part I does not require it (but does work with my version of MegaZeux). I have only compiled my forked version of MegaZeux on Windows, but it should work on other operating system, too. < 1292974470 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Philistine. < 1292974474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, hm? < 1292974475 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected as much! < 1292974485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, I loved uplink music! < 1292974502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet Vorpal wouldn't even like the IT crowd! < 1292974507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RABBLE RABBLE < 1292974509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love The IT Crowd! < 1292974510 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: O, that is what you mean. Still, you should be able to compile the one with PZX-feature on any operating system with C and SDL. < 1292974519 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I did show him the "Have you tried turning it off and on again clip". < 1292974523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that the one I seen a clip from where the technobable made sense? < 1292974528 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He responded positively. < 1292974530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably. < 1292974536 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that's a sign of QUALITY. < 1292974543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, something about the global interrupt table in the NT kernel or such < 1292974550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made absolutely perfect sense < 1292974552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen seasons 1 and 2 :( < 1292974555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, quite! < 1292974560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, that < 1292974575 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Season 3... hmm... < 1292974585 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remember if there's been a Season 4. < 1292974588 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: What things you didn't trust me with? Maybe some things I cannot properly be trusted but some things I can do it why didn't you trust it?? < 1292974592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen sporadic episodes; last I watched was the (Street) Countdown one. < 1292974603 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I read about NT internals (don't ask why, I don't know). And I can tell you it was a perfectly sensible (if somewhat unlikely) problem description < 1292974610 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was that the one where Moss ends up justifying the Iraq war? < 1292974629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: I forget. < 1292974643 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, that one was the one where he invents the bra. < 1292974649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: IIRC it had one issue < 1292974660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in that he said you wanted X to happen when in fact you didn't, i.e. the opposite < 1292974660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1292974662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1292974666 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you tell me why? If you tell me why and it is a genuine mistake, I can attempt to correct it. < 1292974666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah could be < 1292974681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't remember exactly < 1292974685 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making practical applications for redstone :/ < 1292974696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey, such as the CPU? < 1292974703 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would lag... < 1292974706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until redstone can control an automatic mining machine, I don't acre. < 1292974707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*care. < 1292974725 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would pwn < 1292974731 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, obviously one of the idiots on the 8th floor tried writing his own drivers for the printer and called Moss for help. < 1292974742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover, haha < 1292974749 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN: BOfH cameo on the IT Crowd. < 1292974826 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1292974829 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292974861 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better: the BOfH IS Renham Industries' network operator. < 1292974885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Reynholm, you ... thing. < 1292974894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reynholm.co.uk/ < 1292974916 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, shh! < 1292974926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1292974934 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving from the sublime to the ridiculous: Richmond is the BOfH in disguise! < 1292974944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like any of the games in this list? BJACK BUMPERSH COLORSOL COLORSPI DANCEKEY DOWN ELEMENTA FATHER GIVEAWAY HACKBITS KNAR MAKETEN MAZEMAN MINES MUDCAGE MUTCHNAM PUZGEN PUZZLEX QCOOKIE SKEDALS SNAKEBIT SOVMINGA STARSTAK STARWARS STEPTILE STOKER WUMPUS9 . < 1292975096 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :END THE VELOCIRAPTORS TYRANNY! BOARD UP YOUR HOMES! < 1292975096 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292975135 0 :Phamhntom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, NO, WE DON'T AND WE NEVER WILL < 1292975153 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides after remembering this is a akcd hate club < 1292975159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Akcd! < 1292975162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best web comic! < 1292975170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://akcd.com/ THE BEST SPAM PAGE < 1292975177 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd... < 1292975186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: Note: I only hate xkcd post-around-comic-400. < 1292975191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be excellent. < 1292975203 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamhntom_Hoover: What did you not like about this game? < 1292975204 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it not anymore? < 1292975214 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like the black hat guy though :/ < 1292975222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosey: Because Randall went insane? < 1292975222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so you have to use the same forked version of MegaZeux that zzo38 wrote" < 1292975225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1292975225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just ran out of ideas. < 1292975235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your helpdesk request has been successfully received. You have been automatically allocated the ticket number O65LRV2T. Please record this number in a safe place." < 1292975279 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228063001.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292975408 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292975462 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a Reynhold Industries ID card! < 1292975582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL Query: SELECT `userid`, `username`, md5(`password`) FROM `intranet_users` < 1292975636 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still in progress of Part II game, so I didn't put SMALL_MONSTER yet, but SMALL_MONSTER is neither good nor bad. Now BIG_MONSTER is good, MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER is bad, and SMALL_MONSTER is neither good nor bad; this works isn't it? < 1292975651 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Now I am going to steal your ticket number and sell it in the black market for access cards. < 1292975811 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1292975822 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I created a semi controllable oscillator in mc < 1292975834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are known oscillators < 1292975841 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine changes speed bitch < 1292975883 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1292975909 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sics a female dog on Goosey