00:01:18 Hey ineiros, can I get a teleport to V*rpal? :P 00:01:44 ineiros, please don't do that 00:01:51 ineiros, let him find me 00:01:57 I told him where I was before so :P 00:02:01 (roughly) 00:07:38 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 00:22:37 Why did elliott * out Vorpal? 00:22:44 Scared of summoning him? 00:23:00 Actually, that might make sense given context 00:23:01 Meh 00:23:14 elliott, why quit? 00:26:55 It occurs to me that unsafeInterleaveIO might be incredibly useful in getting people to really understand laziness 00:28:26 Sgeo: It's also generally a bad idea. 00:28:29 As in almost always. 00:28:30 So no. 00:28:43 G'night. 00:28:48 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:29:34 ineiros, there? 00:29:39 Yes. 00:32:16 -!- elliott has joined. 00:32:18 "Sweden has issued an international arrest warrant for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange." 00:32:21 What a shitty end to the night. 00:35:29 Vorpal: You owe me a diamond pickaxe or something :P 00:36:06 note to self: server URI is in logs of /msg to self 00:36:07 bye 00:36:08 -!- elliott has quit (Client Quit). 00:49:00 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:07:03 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:07:36 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:51:11 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:51:34 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:07:28 -!- wareya has joined. 02:10:30 -!- wareya_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:26:41 -!- TLUL|afk has changed nick to TLUL. 02:28:20 -!- TLUL has changed nick to Cabbages. 03:28:51 -!- Cabbages has quit (Quit: *disappears in a puff of purple smoke*). 03:54:33 * Sgeo relearns about Parrot 03:54:52 I _think_ I might be willing to learn the Scheme that's on Parrot 03:55:36 Or... it's not doing so well meh 05:49:31 -!- sftp has joined. 06:01:41 -!- augur has joined. 06:07:03 -!- sftp_ has joined. 06:07:20 -!- sftp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:09:48 I just remembered one of my pseudomathematical musings from when I was a kid 06:10:13 The idea of a/b universes: The universe where any number * b = a 06:10:29 a/a universes were in some sense parallel to ours 06:10:57 (I might have a and b backwards) 06:12:25 No, I don't, because a/b then becomes "all numbers" 06:12:35 -!- sftp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:15:45 Some just-now continuations of thoughts on the subject (I don't remember much more of related musings back then) 06:15:58 a!=b destroys multiplicative identity 06:17:45 What I'd love to see is a way, given a/b where a!=b, determine stuff about c/d 06:17:47 erm 06:17:48 c*d 06:21:43 Night all 06:30:52 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:46:40 -!- kar8nga has joined. 07:28:43 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:50:52 Vorpal: You owe me a diamond pickaxe or something :P <-- I didn't fetch your. I had no clue where it was. And you have to clean up your own mess 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:00:54 Oh, you've made a mess?-) 08:32:27 fizzie, the mess was him losing his pickaxe :P 08:32:44 as far as I know he didn't cause any other mess 08:32:56 I certainly hope he didn't 08:40:07 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 08:41:57 ineiros, did something break? I logged out for a bit and now when I try to reconnect it stalls at "Logging in..." 08:42:21 Connection lost: Tome out 08:42:23 Time* 08:42:43 ah now it works 08:43:15 Vorpal: It threw a couple of exceptions when you logged out. 08:43:42 Vorpal: Haven't seen it complain that much, though. 08:43:54 ineiros, how weird. 08:44:00 ineiros, had to try 3 times to manage to log in 08:47:24 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Quit: ilua). 08:53:03 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:03:44 -!- kar8nga has joined. 09:06:21 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 09:20:56 ineiros, I hope it didn't throw any exceptions this time 09:21:45 bbl 10:05:23 -!- rodgort has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:17:44 -!- atrapado has joined. 10:18:49 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:24:48 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:32:02 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:36:57 -!- ais523 has changed nick to ais523\unfoog. 12:31:06 -!- FireFly has joined. 12:46:13 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 12:53:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:53:56 oklopol, you there? 12:54:43 yes 12:54:44 just came 12:55:28 Are you still interested in that gravity thing? 12:55:54 Because I just came up with an awesome reactionless drive idea for a Newtonian system with negative masses allowed. 12:58:56 Basically, you have a negative mass and a positive one with the same absolute mass at some distance from each other, then cause a self-cancelling force between the, 12:58:59 *them. 12:59:22 i.e. gravitational attraction or charge or just pulling on a piece of string. 13:00:11 So we have a force of F on the positive mass and a force of -F on the negative mass. 13:01:05 -!- atrapado has quit (Quit: Abandonando). 13:01:12 Let m be the positive mass and -m be the negative one, the acceleration on the positive one is F/m, and the acceleration on the negative one is -F/-m = F/m. 13:01:30 So they both keep on accelerating in the same direction with the same distance between them. 13:02:10 I have a control system sketched out in my mind, but I need to eat now. 13:23:24 "Dear google.com, I visited your website and noticed that you are not listed in most of the major search engines and directories..." 13:26:30 ais523\unfoog: haha 13:26:35 ais523\unfoog: what's unfoog? 13:31:48 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:33:15 -!- sftp has joined. 13:47:01 cheater99: Since he doesn't seem to be answering: [of the unfoog] elliott: /dev/null NetHack tournament we take clan membership very seriously 13:47:34 o 13:47:35 thanks fizzie 13:47:39 he's probably busy playing 13:56:40 or busy ignoring you 13:57:22 Phantom_Hoover: sure, also forgot to mention i'm busy although here 13:57:32 Ah. 13:58:20 Negative mass also has the quality of being an extremely effective weapon, since its normal reaction to surfaces is reduced. 13:58:50 So if you fire a negative bullet at something it will accelerate towards it as soon as it comes into contact. 13:59:27 i like it 14:00:03 it's slightly insane though, maybe there could be some sort of antimateria effect so they won't just accelerate forever (and explode instead) 14:04:45 Well, the infinite acceleration obeys both conservation of energy and conservation of momentum. 14:05:05 Negative mass has negative kinetic energy and negative momentum. 14:05:39 Steering would be hard, though. 14:09:52 -!- augur has joined. 14:15:22 Wait, perhaps not. 14:20:02 fizzie, there? 14:20:12 fizzie, what is with that temporary hut of yours? 14:20:21 I just happened to pass it 14:20:30 What is with it? 14:22:01 If you mean why there's two blocks of dirt in the place where a door would normally go, that's because doors used to be badly broken in multiplayer -- they seem to work a lot better nowadays -- so I used dirt as a door to keep the chickens out. 14:22:13 Crap, I died. 14:22:18 (In Minecraft) 14:22:37 And then a creeper followed me from the spawn point. 14:22:50 And now it won't go away from the door. 14:23:05 Fortunately, I had offloaded most of my resources. 14:27:43 I fell in lava, too, so what I had is now gone. 14:28:20 8 coal, a half-worn iron pick, a stone pick, a stone sword, some torches, some wood. 14:28:35 And a _lot_ of cobblestone and stairs 14:36:13 -!- elliott has joined. 14:38:59 -!- elliott_ has joined. 14:39:05 -!- elliott_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:40:47 ineiros, may I be inducted into your Esoteric Order of Minecraft? 14:41:27 It's like a gigantic party! Of... losing diamond pickaxes. 15:02:35 heydo 15:02:43 chris barker is here! :D 15:05:35 k 15:05:47 chris barker invented Iota and Jot :| 15:05:59 here as in right there 15:06:22 well, currently he's in another room talking with a fellow student 15:06:26 but here as in at the department 15:06:28 giving a talk 15:06:53 augur: tell him that from the entire esolang community, we hate him for inventing Iota, not because it's bad or anything, but because of people who think that just because it only has two symbols means it has the simplest semantics :P 15:07:03 lol 15:11:41 yeah so hes talking about linear logic and the semantics of permission 15:28:01 -!- rodgort has joined. 15:38:02 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 15:41:51 -!- iley has joined. 15:42:12 -!- Slereah has joined. 15:43:58 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 16:24:38 -!- digimunk has joined. 16:31:06 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: Coyote finally caught me). 16:36:34 -!- digimunk has left (?). 16:38:17 -!- rodgort has joined. 16:48:23 -!- kar8nga has joined. 16:49:56 -!- rodgort has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:51:55 -!- rodgort has joined. 17:05:49 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:14:35 elliott: you know you were complaining about Wikipedia deletionists a while back? 17:14:48 ais523\unfoog: yes (although i also hate rabid inclusionists!) 17:14:57 you might find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Delete_the_junk amusing, basically someone wrote an article in support of deletionism and a bunch of inclusionists are trying to get it deleted 17:15:18 ais523\unfoog: Amusing, or depressing? 17:15:33 it would be depressing if it were the other way round 17:15:35 ais523\unfoog: "This page in a nutshell: Wikipedia lacks articles on a lot of notable subjects. We don't need to keep an article with no merit in itself just because it might, theoretically, be possible to make a good article on the subject." 17:15:39 this way round, it's hilarious 17:15:41 ais523\unfoog: To me, that is not deletionism. 17:15:52 hmm, perhaps 17:15:54 ais523\unfoog: That is "delete until you can write a good article on it -ism", which seems perfectly reasonable to me. 17:16:01 a cabal of inclusionists trying to delete something is still hilarious, though 17:16:18 Even someone who wanted an article on every single person's nose might agree that a *bad* article on a nose should be deleted. 17:16:28 ais523\unfoog: Yes, but still - depressing. What has Wikipedia become... 17:16:32 indeed 17:16:58 I found a page a while back that was impossible to revert vandalism on, because everything being vandalised was also vandalism 17:17:07 ais523\unfoog: holy fucking shit at @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dream_Focus 17:17:09 (although eventually managed to figure out who to report it to, and they fixed it) 17:17:15 ais523\unfoog: from the initiator of the, cough, "discussion" 17:17:40 ais523\unfoog: when your user page has 110 sections, they're all dedicated to your ranty, rabid inclusionist principles, and it's been nominated for deletion twice... well... 17:17:56 [[The American spelling of something is always the best 17:17:56 If you go to licorice you will find it forward it to the liquorice, which Webster dictionary defines as a "chiefly British variant of licorice". Since there are more English speaking Americans than the total population of all other English speaking countries combined, then why not use the proper American spelling? Dream Focus (talk) 08:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)]] 17:18:14 this guy *really* hates the deletionists 17:18:27 [[ Unreasonable Deletionist: "This species isn't notable. No coverage in any media." 17:18:27 Reasonable Inclusionist: "Its listed in books about that type of organism." 17:18:27 Unreasonable Deletionist: "That isn't significant coverage. Its just briefly mentioned, there not much about it at all, so that doesn't count. Also, a lot of things written about the species are from the people who studied it, so that is just self published works of their own original research." 17:18:27 Reasonable Inclusionist: "All species are notable and deserve coverage. This is an encyclopedia." 17:18:27 Unreasonable Deletionist:"Notability is not inherited. You have to prove you are notable by getting mentioned on the news at least twice or being interesting and unique enough to get ample coverage in books not published by the researchers themselves or other people involved." 17:18:31 Reasonable Inclusionist: Sigh. "Rescue Squadron away! Please help me reason with this person."]] 17:18:33 elliott: his talk page has about as many sections, plus archives 17:18:34 ais523\unfoog: ok, i have to step away from this now, because my urge to punch is risign 17:18:36 *rising 17:18:41 which implies to me that he just isn't archiving properly 17:19:24 i do not like this Dream Focus person 17:19:44 ais523\unfoog: [[# 17:19:44 The mailing list will remain open, well-advertised, and will be regarded as the place for meta-discussions about the nature of Wikipedia. Very limited meta-discussion of the nature of Wikipedia should be placed on the site itself. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. The topic of Wikipedia articles should always look outward, not inward at the Wikipedia itself.]] --[[User: Jimbo Wales]] 17:19:53 ais523\unfoog: I would love to measure the activity on Wikipedia:foo vs. the mailing list. 17:20:07 also, survey Wikipedia editors to find out how many even know what a mailing list is, or that that one exists 17:20:07 elliott: when he made that comment, the Wikipedia: namespace didn't exist 17:20:28 I think the namespace was mostly made to replace the mailing list, as a wiki is better for discussions than email or a forum IMO 17:20:35 ais523\unfoog: come to think of it, Wikipedia would be a *lot* better if Wikipedia: only existed for, say, the essays, and all discussion was on the mailing list 17:20:51 ais523\unfoog: 1. The *huge* idiots don't know how to subscribe to a mailing list, or won't bother. 17:20:58 2. That's about it. 17:21:09 (3. If you whine excessively, people tell you to stop clogging their email boxes.) 17:22:38 [[# 17:22:38 "You can edit this page right now" is a core guiding check on everything that we do. We must respect this principle as sacred.]] 17:22:41 [[# 17:22:41 Any changes to the software must be gradual and reversible. We need to make sure that any changes contribute positively to the community, as ultimately determined by everybody in Wikipedia, in full consultation with the community consensus.]] 17:22:54 (1) and yet disabling anonymous editing gets wide support 17:22:56 I think a mailing list would move too quickly to be tenable 17:23:01 elliott: not from me it doesn't 17:23:03 (2) heheheheheheheheheheehehehehe approved revisions 17:23:07 ais523\unfoog: no, but from the idiots. 17:23:48 approved revisions is less of an awful idea, as an alternative to protection (which is how it was used in the tests) 17:24:02 in fact, the vast majority of PC-protected articles allow any autoconfirmed user to approve a revision 17:24:26 that seems like a better version of semiprotection to me, although I bet it'll be misapplied if consensus is to turn it on 17:28:12 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:47:03 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:49:28 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 18:01:51 fizzie, ineiros: I think one of you ought to see what they are up to. I could hide it with trees. Your might be less lucky 18:02:17 "they"? 18:29:12 -!- iley has left (?). 18:35:23 -!- kar8nga has joined. 18:38:47 Sgeo: This: 18:38:54 Sgeo: http://imgur.com/AFlVw.png. 18:38:56 erm 18:38:57 Sgeo: http://imgur.com/AFlVw.png 18:39:00 Sgeo: http://imgur.com/PdqXT.png 18:40:24 They is a structure? 18:40:39 Someone else on the server? 18:41:07 Sgeo: They is Phantom_Hoover and I, although fizzie has now joined in. 18:41:13 Sgeo: We were "up to" building that gigantic thing. 18:41:47 I take it that Vorpal thinks it's an eyesore 18:43:11 Sgeo: He seems to have grown to accept it. 18:46:10 * Sgeo is now playing with a disembodied head 18:47:08 Vorpal: It is certainly a bit... extravagant. 18:47:56 I wouldn't build something like that at home, but... well, whatever floats their boats, I guess. 18:51:14 Prettiness: http://imgur.com/tfIBG.png 18:51:16 (Sgeo Vorpal fizzie) 18:51:24 (Phantom_Hoover) 18:51:28 * Sgeo is not a function 18:52:08 Shut up and admire. :P 18:52:35 fizzie, http://ompldr.org/vNjhkag 18:52:48 I had to tilt my monitor to see the colored lights 18:52:50 The circled mountain is Mount Hoover. 18:52:56 Unless that's a monitor hallucination 18:53:04 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:53:42 -!- wareya has joined. 18:54:42 Phantom_Hoover: So, pretty much directly south from the skyway L. 18:55:12 Yep. 18:55:27 You can tell it by the fact that it has an enormous overhang. 18:58:09 Sgeo: There are lights, but they are not coloured. 18:58:15 There are different colours there beacuse of the rendering engine. 18:58:16 *because 18:58:25 Ah 18:58:34 * Sgeo wants to play with Uru Live's firemarbles 18:58:51 So pretty 18:59:49 http://www.gunda.hu/uru/marbles.jpg 19:03:02 Phantom_Hoover: So, pretty much directly south from the skyway L. 19:03:03 Okay. 19:03:04 I will do that. 19:03:56 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:08:33 -!- Slereah has joined. 19:19:15 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:25:41 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:31:12 -!- aloril has joined. 19:43:09 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 19:45:39 -!- engell has joined. 19:59:01 Fark is down 19:59:05 * Sgeo screams in agony 20:08:55 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 20:10:34 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 20:14:43 -!- oklopol has joined. 20:16:59 hi oklopol 20:17:01 we're playing MINECRAFT 20:18:08 nooo 20:18:39 Hi nooga 20:18:42 We're playing SEXCRAFT 20:18:47 ... with TENTACLE MONSTERS. 20:23:27 elliott: i know you are but what am i 20:24:00 Homo sapiens, Ihope 20:24:13 Scary that you wouldn't know that 20:25:21 -!- engell has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 20:27:52 i can't know everything 20:53:21 WHY is there a computer game of Diplomacy that has a single-player mode? 20:55:45 Although watching a Let's Play can give a good sense of the physical play 21:05:07 monads! 21:07:05 * Sgeo traps augur in a radioactive box inside a burrito 21:09:54 wot 21:10:42 -!- ais523\unfoog has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:06:21 -!- clog has quit (^C). 22:06:21 -!- clog has quit (ended). 22:06:45 -!- clog has joined. 22:06:45 -!- clog has joined. 22:07:38 -!- Decarabia has joined. 22:12:39 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:12:49 Would building a BF(like) interpreter be easy? 22:14:53 In what? 22:15:34 -!- Decarabia has joined. 22:15:56 Minecraft 22:18:16 http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree15.png 22:18:18 Pretty. 22:18:39 http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree12.png -- THE FLATWAY 22:18:42 in response to fizzie 22:20:56 -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:21:21 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:22:53 Sgeo: considering there's already an 8-bit cpu, why should it be hard? :) 22:23:47 also, turns out you can watch the LHC live 22:24:11 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 22:24:37 olsner: indeed: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html 22:27:09 -!- Decarabia has joined. 22:28:54 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:34:39 * Sgeo wants a more realistic rendition of what would happen 22:34:57 (Yes, I know that nothing's going to happen, but if it did, what would it look like?) 22:39:28 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:40:57 -!- Decarabia has joined. 22:42:14 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:43:50 -!- TLUL has changed nick to TLUL|afk. 22:46:15 -!- Decarabia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:46:16 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:52:07 -!- Slereah has joined. 22:53:29 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 22:55:14 -!- Decarabia has joined. 22:56:48 -!- cheater99 has joined. 22:57:47 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:59:34 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:04:04 ***NOTE TO SELF: COBBLES ARE IN FIZZIE'S CHEST*** 23:05:12 -!- Decarabia has joined. 23:07:15 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:07:36 -!- Decarabia has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 23:08:08 -!- Sasha has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:08:29 -!- Sasha has joined. 23:12:35 -!- Decarabia has joined. 23:12:36 -!- Sasha has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:13:05 -!- Slereah has joined. 23:14:25 -!- Sasha has joined. 23:17:30 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:18:18 -!- Decarabia has joined. 23:23:30 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:24:23 -!- Decarabia has joined. 23:29:45 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:31:27 -!- Decarabia has joined. 23:33:13 -!- zzo38 has joined. 23:34:48 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 23:36:24 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Quit: Quit). 23:38:35 -!- TLUL|afk has changed nick to TLUL. 23:39:18 For the information of #esoteric: I've not disappeared, I just have an Internet outage. 23:41:46 -!- Slereah has joined. 23:42:13 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 23:42:27 In the book "Godel, Escher, Bach", the author describes a programming language BlooP, and FlooP. The primitive operations are adding, multiplying, testing if numbers equal, and testing if one number is greater than another. Actually, none of these primitive operations are needed, nor are conditionals needed. The only primitive operation needed is successor operation. 23:43:51 -!- Decarabia has joined. 23:44:39 -!- Wamanuz5 has joined. 23:44:56 -!- TLUL has changed nick to GelatinousHelm. 23:45:19 If you want, try making the BlooP operations using only successor as a primitive operation and using no conditionals (IF command), but otherwise using the same codes as BlooP (or FlooP). 23:46:34 fizzie, Vorpal, elliott, ineiros, http://ompldr.org/upload 23:46:41 Argh 23:46:45 fizzie, Vorpal, elliott, ineiros, http://ompldr.org/vNjhpeg 23:47:31 Phantom_Hoover: awesome 23:47:51 -!- Wamanuz4 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 23:48:27 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:49:46 Phantom_Hoover, same map as before? 23:50:06 Vorpal, it's Mt. Hoover from the north. 23:50:26 -!- GelatinousHelm has changed nick to TLUL. 23:50:43 Phantom_Hoover, no, it is the map? 23:50:46 fizzie, Vorpal, elliott, ineiros, http://ompldr.org/vNjhpeg 23:50:49 the map 23:50:53 ...Map? 23:50:54 ... 23:50:55 no 23:50:57 it is mt hoover 23:51:01 -!- Decarabia has joined. 23:51:05 wtf 23:51:12 clearing browser cache fixed 23:56:36 -!- Decarabia has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:58:22 -!- Decarabia has joined.