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< 1289867248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is best served raw
< 1289867272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Mormonism is Abrahamic American Exceptionalism, the religion.
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< 1289867797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that has good meter
< 1289867799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byer
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< 1289868782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byeist?
< 1289868782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byist?
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< 1289870339 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, function that is 1 on all rational numbers, 0 on irrational numbers
< 1289870350 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a name for some function along those lines
< 1289870375 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles for weird mathematical functions
< 1289870424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.domesatreview.com/weird-functions fuck you, study guide
< 1289870429 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I need
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< 1289872391 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to fix the mindfuck that is" The first three of these characterizations can be proved equivalent in Zermelo�Fraenkel set theory without the axiom of choice, but the equivalence of the third and fourth cannot be proved without additional choice principles."
< 1289872403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncountably_infinite
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< 1289873718 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki page on ZFC keeps talking about the background logic
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< 1289875004 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do axiom schemata specify a _countably_ infinite number of axioms?
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< 1289875409 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fantasizes about proving ZF from within ZF
< 1289875412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels evil
< 1289875559 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the Godel sentence is not just an abstraction?
< 1289875568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I google for ZF's Godel sentence, I will find it?
< 1289875630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION headaches
< 1289877769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kinda wishes that Apple kept Classic working on Intel Macs
< 1289877813 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to relearn Scala
< 1289877834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the biggest thing that scared me about Scala is the idea of learning Java libraries
< 1289877836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby never once breaking ABI.
< 1289877854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I was learning it in the context of Android iirc
< 1289877944 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott would correctly assume I'm demented if I mentioned the reason I'm thinking about Scala right now
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< 1289881171 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Does this still work?")
< 1289881183 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this still work?
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< 1289881758 0 :Chapati!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup
< 1289881783 0 :Chapati!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is a programming chan?
< 1289881790 0 :Chapati!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was hoping for something more cultish
< 1289882031 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to #esoteric, the international hub for the occult, voodoo, crystal healing, esoteric topics in computation and programming languages, magick, astrology and spiritual projection | Praise be unto the enlightened one, Zenduul, who currently possesses the mind and being of ais523 | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
< 1289882060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People get pissed when I do that, what with it being completely unrelated to the actual topic of the channel :P
< 1289882063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure to many people, computers seem like magic
< 1289882069 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *magick
< 1289882097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *neko neko chibi mahō
< 1289882099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chapati, Chapa'ai?
< 1289882099 0 :Chapati!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1289882116 0 :Chapati!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja di
< 1289882148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I just said the only bit of goa'uld that I know
< 1289882166 0 :Chapati!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just said something I just made up
< 1289882167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's one of like 5 phrases that exists, so you're good.
< 1289882169 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Cree Jaffa!
< 1289882242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I avoid Clojure like the plague?
< 1289882260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, the stuff about STM seems tempting
< 1289882821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want STM use Haskell.
< 1289882866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any other pure, functional language ;)
< 1289882872 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that has STM.
< 1289882914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So, Haskell.
< 1289882918 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup! 8-D
< 1289882942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, legitimate killer features. :P
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< 1289883931 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Clojure's STM like/
< 1289883933 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1289884122 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's as good as an STM can be in an impure imperative language, which is to say really terrible unless you're very, very careful.
< 1289884186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it certainly works better in a relatively modern impure imperative language, such as Clojure, than it would in, say, C++.
< 1289884195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have heard mention of such a thing. It frightens me.)
< 1289884203 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
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< 1289884253 0 :Chapati!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1289884321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears Closure has the one (huge) restriction that your STM values must be immutable.
< 1289884332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... laaaaaaaaaaaawl
< 1289884348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there's another.
< 1289884355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No side effects in a transaction.
< 1289884374 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not that much lawl, since that just means that the authors new the realistic limitations of STM and didn't think it was magic *shrugs*
< 1289884402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: code in Haskell, without the compiler telling you when you fuck it up.
< 1289884408 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a callenge
< 1289884417 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*challenge
< 1289884424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA the best possible implementation of STM without purity and strong typing.
< 1289884718 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall I stick with Scala?
< 1289884740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shall not use any language but Haskell!
< 1289884758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shall not use any language but C!
< 1289884779 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shall not use any language but Falctorn!
< 1289884844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shall not use any language but the untyped lambda calculus!
< 1289884848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evaluated by Church!
< 1289885027 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shall not use any language but Turing Machine descriptions!
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< 1289888505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that keeps getting me about Scala is its statically-checkable duck-typing
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< 1289896662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Vorpal: HOW FAR YOU HAVE SUNK <-- quite a bit it seems
< 1289896730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> I think Vorpal said it breaks in his terminal. <-- yes, it displays stuff on top of the menu of my terminal and such
< 1289896736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also places it in the wrong position
< 1289897912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've re-looked at the code, and it really looks as if it just draws directly into the terminal window, not into a frameless pop-up thing on top. I didn't know you could XCreateGC someone else's window like that.
< 1289898680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah
< 1289898694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XCreateGC?
< 1289898741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creates a drawing context for a window.
< 1289898746 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1289898759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the security implications of that are scary
< 1289898773 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if some app did that to gtksu or such
< 1289898887 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could still probably fake it with the frameless popup window thing if it were disabled.
< 1289898976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case there is no security as soon as you can connect to the X server: it'll let you keylog and generate input events and whatnot, anyway. Still, painting all over someone else's window like that sounds so impolite. It's like spray-painting someone's wall or something.
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< 1289899894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: panoramic comic. "no fourth wall" takes on a new meaning then
< 1289899917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^
< 1289900167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds interesting; maybe you should do a sqrt(-garfield) with that concept.
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< 1289915860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Ssh, do you really want everyone knowing that? | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D
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< 1289919120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:53:11 <Sgeo> Anyone want to fix the mindfuck that is" The first three of these characterizations can be proved equivalent in Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory without the axiom of choice, but the equivalence of the third and fourth cannot be proved without additional choice principles."
< 1289919126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's mindfucky
< 1289919130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43:29 * Sgeo fantasizes about proving ZF from within ZF
< 1289919135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats, you can hit no lower point.
< 1289919142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:46:08 <Sgeo> If I google for ZF's Godel sentence, I will find it?
< 1289919154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can generate it at least for constructive logics but it's way too big to print out.
< 1289919160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you borrowed the LHC's disk.
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< 1289919286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:16:16 <fizzie> In any case there is no security as soon as you can connect to the X server: it'll let you keylog and generate input events and whatnot, anyway. Still, painting all over someone else's window like that sounds so impolite. It's like spray-painting someone's wall or something.
< 1289919290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, X is terribly insecure.
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< 1289921052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://turton.co.za/chordingKeyboard/chordingKeyboard.html (http://trevors-trinkets.blogspot.com/2007/07/five-finger-keyboards.html)
< 1289921356 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's untrusted mode (unusable: breaks just about every app) and there is XACE... Oh and of course SE-X (or what it is called nowadays...)
< 1289921431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: SELinux is too crazy to get near any box I run...
< 1289921445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I'm all for capability-based security, but gluing it onto Linux is just... no.
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< 1289922976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://distractionware.com/blog/?p=193 1x5 font
< 1289923034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/RY75R.png middle one may be easier to read
< 1289923051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/wslXu.jpg
< 1289923142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive.
< 1289923248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, you know that Sita Sings the Blues thing? The creator is one of them VHEMT people X-D
< 1289923260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My internet is such an echo chamber, I keep reading about the exact same things.)
< 1289923309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHEMT is ... rather odd.
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< 1289923329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1289924305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can I just say that mmap() is a wonderful thing?
< 1289924316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can.
< 1289924322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty neat.
< 1289924365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's like orthogonal persistence except lame!
< 1289924369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is high praise for Unix.
< 1289924373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hey, look, GHC 7.0.1 is out.
< 1289924398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1289924398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC now defaults to the Haskell 2010 language standard
< 1289924399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1289924399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On POSIX platforms, there is a new I/O manager based on epoll/kqueue/poll, which allows multithreaded I/O code to scale to a much larger number (100k+) of threads
< 1289924403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1289924403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC now includes an LLVM code generator which, for certain code, can bring some nice performance improvements
< 1289924403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1289924405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type checker has been overhauled, which means it is now able to correctly handle interactions between the type systemextensions
< 1289924417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ selected release notes
< 1289924447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Do I want it enough to circumvent APT...
< 1289924498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not really.
< 1289924507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Be aware that compiling GHC takes 2, 4, 6 hours depending on the phase of the moon.
< 1289924518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably not 6, they've redone the build system.
< 1289924521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, it's no quickie.
< 1289924534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I discovered that a while ago...
< 1289924553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, and you'd have to do the fun jig which is "keep the apt package, compile, uninstall it, install the new one".
< 1289924573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When compiling GHC I tend to wipe everything, get a 6.8.2 binary, don't install it, and just point the new GHC to the path it's at for compilation purposes.
< 1289924579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it may be better with the new build system...
< 1289925011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Huh -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISLISP
< 1289925016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ISO-standard Lisp X-D
< 1289925020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Sounds interesting; maybe you should do a sqrt(-garfield) with that concept. <-- yeah, perhaps. Too lazy though.
< 1289925042 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What concept?
< 1289925051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> idea: panoramic comic. "no fourth wall" takes on a new meaning then
< 1289925053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one
< 1289925107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw I was making a sphere pano in mindcraft. damn clouds moving so fast
< 1289925127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I did have parallax I chose my position so it was all far away
< 1289925138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not done yet. 10 images still to add control points to
< 1289925164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also didn't you say FOV was like 70°?
< 1289925168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 100.7° for me
< 1289925176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maximised window)
< 1289925202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I am rebellious! I name C macros lowercase names! Mwahahaha!
< 1289925210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ITYM: ncurses
< 1289925211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1289925226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, no, ncurses does it hideously. I name macros that do actually crazy things uppercase.
< 1289925238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But macros that *could* be implemented as functions, I just don't see the point naming uppercase things.
< 1289925252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean like #define clear() ... ?
< 1289925258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaddap :P
< 1289925260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc ncurses does something like that
< 1289925261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls
< 1289925262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or clear
< 1289925263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1289925273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As well as things like "#define writes(fd, s) write(fd, s, sizeof(s)-1)" where the only reason you can't do it as a function is because C sucks and is clueless about ararys.
< 1289925274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arrays.
< 1289925291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where s is a string literal.)
< 1289925295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1289925313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you using C strings?
< 1289925338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is perfectly possible to use saner representations in C. A bit tricky to make string constants into that of course
< 1289925340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because writes(1, "Hello, world!\n"); is simpler than writes(1, STR("Hello, world!\n")) :-)
< 1289925351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (And I don't have to reimplement the libc, much as I would like to.)
< 1289925361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reimplement -- as in string.h and the like)
< 1289925380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could turn string constants into... Hm... Use a preprocessor to do it automatically :D
< 1289925388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: not m4 though
< 1289925400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, gcc substitutes \p for the length of the rest of the string if it comes first.
< 1289925410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: At that point I stop using C and give up on the project by trying to figure out what language to wr--
< 1289925412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHAT?
< 1289925415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1289925420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up on life.
< 1289925430 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, interesting extension...
< 1289925442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be some pascal compat
< 1289925448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: \p for pascal presumably
< 1289925449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is.
< 1289925451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed
< 1289925454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Let me guess, \P does it as two bytes instead.
< 1289925464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so...
< 1289925466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1289925468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 255-char limit :P
< 1289925487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1289925496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, is it signed?
< 1289925497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define smallint(x) (((x)<<1)|1)
< 1289925502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder whether |1 is "faster" than +1. :-)
< 1289925506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be if you strings are
< 1289925531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it presumably would be on some level.
< 1289925535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, smallint? I don't get the name here
< 1289925562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pointer ends in 0 due to byte alignment. 63-bit integers can be stored in a 64-bit pointer by setting the least significant bit.
< 1289925571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Everything larger is a bignum and thus a pointer.
< 1289925592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that doesn't work if you are indexing into a string or such. Then pointers can be odd
< 1289925597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not sure about string constants
< 1289925616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I don't use C strings. ;-
< 1289925618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*;-)
< 1289925622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah good
< 1289925638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Strings are either going to be symbols or cons cells of integers or something silly like that.
< 1289925643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway or would on hw level be faster due to lack of need to carry anything
< 1289925645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though
< 1289925673 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that assumes you don't expand the function add
< 1289925692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, making a big Kaurnaugh diagram for the adder. :D
< 1289925694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1289925720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is it you're writing this time?
< 1289925729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Stammer.
< 1289925730 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming the 2x+1 thing was integer tagging.
< 1289925740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1289925800 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is Stammer your Smalltalk-Lisp hybrid-thing?
< 1289925811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must dash...
< 1289925813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. Heavens that I should do something so practical.
< 1289925979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/speed/webp/
< 1289926002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which Google decide to try and compete with JPEG, in what can only be either insanity or genius, but definitely ultimate egoism.
< 1289926148 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: v53.7996 in the optimized .pto. I play in an approximately 960x1200 window, though, which is a bit... vertical.
< 1289926178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah
< 1289926185 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html <-- in which Google decides to try to compete with beer.
< 1289926195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Old :P
< 1289926196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, must be a strange experience
< 1289926207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That thing talking about tiny text in the opening screen -- what resolution did it say?
< 1289926211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920x1080 or 1920x1200?
< 1289926222 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm it said 1080p
< 1289926223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whichever it says, that's the official resolution and all FOVs should be measured with that :-)
< 1289926250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 960x540 would work, as it's exactly half of 1080p and is more likely to actually fit on your display.
< 1289926253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway that doesn't make sense.
< 1289926257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be the default resolution, for all I know.
< 1289926266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, FOV depends on what you actually used to take the screenshot
< 1289926277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what matters when stitching the pano
< 1289926278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, seriously, I know I post old things sometimes WHEN THEY ARE RELEVANT, but "Gregor: Old" is a nonsense response X_X
< 1289926289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But you ARE old.
< 1289926310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he?
< 1289926314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't he less than 30?
< 1289926316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes his cane at elliott
< 1289926319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 is the point where you get old
< 1289926333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Ten-year-old Vorpal> You're 20? Wow, you're OLD.
< 1289926336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that will be revised when I become 27 or so)
< 1289926352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Baby Vorpal> Goo goo ga ga [translation: 10 years old? Holy fucking shit! You'll be kicking the bucket soon, nigga.]
< 1289926358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Translation is literal.)
< 1289926370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All babies talk like this.)
< 1289926371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1289926443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal T minus ten years> [REDACTED]
< 1289926446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, my original plan was to make sure I had my PhD by 30, but that's waaaay too simple. Instead I should aim to have tenure by 30.
< 1289926464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ph.D. by 30, Gregor is so ambitious
< 1289926473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tenure is the most awesomely fucked thing ever.
< 1289926479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NOSE
< 1289926562 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289926571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can find mention of -fpascal-strings (disabled by default) and the \p escapes only in the OS X Developer Tools documentation for gcc-4.0.1; it's not in e.g. the official gcc-4.0.4 manual. Are you sure that's not another screwy Apple thing again?
< 1289926590 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation for it in the Apple place also says "Pascal-style literals are useful for calling external routines that expect Pascal strings as arguments, as is true with some Apple MacOS Toolbox calls. "
< 1289926662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1289926703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, I just had the stupidest idea.
< 1289926715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say "is a symbol" is worked out by (tag&1).
< 1289926723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say "is a cons" is (tag&2).
< 1289926728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then nil's tag is 3, and it's both.
< 1289927400 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1289927402 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
< 1289927412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages
< 1289927412 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh.
< 1289927489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, idea: chess with hitpoints and rolling of d10s
< 1289927501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: x_x
< 1289927527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is an interesting idea, no?
< 1289927556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure :P
< 1289927564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tell me I'm evil for packing strings into words.
< 1289927606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I got this idea after hearing about a rpg/minesweeper mix. The numbers showing total levels of monsters next to the square instead. And you had to level up to beat higher level monsters. By beating quite a few level 1 ones first. And so on
< 1289927617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mentioned a flash game like that today.
< 1289927625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played it myself. Sounded fun though
< 1289927630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1289927663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wow, multi-char char constants work in gcc
< 1289927674 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I started thinking about interesting mixes. And since we had just had a lecture discussing search tree for game solving algorithms (using chess as an example) it was the natural one to start with
< 1289927675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if they get endianness right though
< 1289927681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf("%x\n",'nil\0');
< 1289927681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6e696c00
< 1289927683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c-repl ftw)
< 1289927688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it does warn you though)
< 1289927695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aren't they for multibyte?
< 1289927697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1289927706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably. I'm trying to pack a string "nasm style"
< 1289927711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/CPUID style
< 1289927713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and how does it do it?
< 1289927717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1289927719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: define it
< 1289927725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasm
< 1289927731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like CPUID "GenuineIntel"
< 1289927752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, on a GenuineIntel processor values returned in EBX is 0x756e6547, EDX is 0x49656e69 and ECX is 0x6c65746e. The following code is written in GNU Assembler for the x86-64 architecture and displays the vendor ID string as well as the highest calling parameter that the CPU supports.
< 1289927756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which is just putting the string in the registers iirc Had it written it to memory it would have been perfectly normal
< 1289927763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, because it packs, see above
< 1289927775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"> printf("%x\n",'Genu');
< 1289927779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :47656e75
< 1289927779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, packed more than byte after byte?
< 1289927782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we see, C packs differently
< 1289927784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal:
< 1289927784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> For instance, on a GenuineIntel processor values returned in EBX is 0x756e6547, EDX is 0x49656e69 and ECX is 0x6c65746e. The following code is written in GNU Assembler for the x86-64 architecture and displays the vendor ID string as well as the highest calling parameter that the CPU supports.
< 1289927784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> For instance, on a GenuineIntel processor values returned in EBX is 0x756e6547, EDX is 0x49656e69 and ECX is 0x6c65746e. The following code is written in GNU Assembler for the x86-64 architecture and displays the vendor ID string as well as the highest calling parameter that the CPU supports.
< 1289927785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> For instance, on a GenuineIntel processor values returned in EBX is 0x756e6547, EDX is 0x49656e69 and ECX is 0x6c65746e. The following code is written in GNU Assembler for the x86-64 architecture and displays the vendor ID string as well as the highest calling parameter that the CPU supports.
< 1289927787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1289927788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that
< 1289927789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> For instance, on a GenuineIntel processor values returned in EBX is 0x756e6547, EDX is 0x49656e69 and ECX is 0x6c65746e. The following code is written in GNU Assembler for the x86-64 architecture and displays the vendor ID string as well as the highest calling parameter that the CPU supports.
< 1289927793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you didn't read it...
< 1289927810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afaik it is just union { 32-bit register; char[4]; }
< 1289927812 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1289927816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about endianness
< 1289927824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was the basic idea last I checked
< 1289927838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so I fail to see what is so amazing about it
< 1289927841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but i can't really do this packing from within c at compile-time
< 1289927846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said anything was amazing about it. wtf?
< 1289927855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that 'Genu' doesn't give the same results in gcc
< 1289927883 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof('Genu'))
< 1289927895 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1289927903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well a string is also packed. Just do something like union { uint32_t i[2]; char c[8]; } ? then assign to c
< 1289927904 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof('Genuine '))
< 1289927906 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1289927909 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1289927911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't prove much, since single-character literals are also ints too.
< 1289927925 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof('G'))
< 1289927927 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1289927929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P
< 1289927930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "assign to c" I don't believe you can do this properly at compile time.
< 1289927934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Especially since my strings run *backwards*
< 1289927943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh that backwardness might be an issue
< 1289927946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. some structure is:
< 1289927950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "character literals are of type int" is standard, but multi-character literals are implementation-defined.
< 1289927954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you can assign there with C99
< 1289927954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 L I N || ...
< 1289927956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with C89
< 1289927957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where || means "pointer is here".
< 1289927962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can tell it which member in the union
< 1289927968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who uses C89 nowdays anyway
< 1289927969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that of course I want to pack 0 L I N into one word or so.
< 1289927972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do.
< 1289927987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well sucks to be you then. Easy to assign there at compile time with C99 :P
< 1289927998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really.
< 1289928006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backwardness is an issue
< 1289928010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you doing befunge or?
< 1289928019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no.
< 1289928020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp.
< 1289928030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why do they run backwards then?
< 1289928034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm arranging the objects so that NIL can be both a cons cell and a symbol.
< 1289928036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So symbols are:
< 1289928037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What GCC does is: "The compiler evaluates a multi-character character constant a character at a time, shifting the previous value left by the number of bits per target character, and then or-ing in the bit-pattern of the new character truncated to the width of a target character. The final bit-pattern is given type int, and is therefore signed, regardless of whether single characters are signed or not."
< 1289928060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 [name of the symbol backwards ...] || [binary value ending with "0"]
< 1289928064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where || means "pointer is to here"
< 1289928065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pairs are
< 1289928077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|| [binary value ending with "1x" for any x] [pointer to car] [pointer to cdr]
< 1289928081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So NIL is
< 1289928094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 L I N || 0b10 [pointer to ||] [pointer to ||]
< 1289928106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1289928108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> 0 [name of the symbol backwards ...] || [binary value ending with "1"]
< 1289928109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nil is
< 1289928110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Seems a rather complex solution
< 1289928113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 L I N || 0b11 [pointer to ||] [pointer to ||]
< 1289928122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really, it's just a little bit of arranging and lets me avoid a ton of conditionals checking for x==NIL.
< 1289928139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It would probably be simpler if cons cells ran backwards since they have a fixed number of fields.
< 1289928143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the symbol names could run forwards.
< 1289928155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Of course all this has to be aligned so that the || pointer ends with 0.
< 1289928167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how large is your cons cell? If it isn't 2*sizeof(void*) you are doing something wrong
< 1289928175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, plus a tag.
< 1289928191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the tag is usually in that :P
< 1289928193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I could keep the tag in the pointer but I think it would waste 2 or 3 bits.
< 1289928201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not usually in that...
< 1289928205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, why else would you end up with 21 bit integers in lisp and such
< 1289928210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather common
< 1289928219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Silly type proliferation. :)
< 1289928226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah true
< 1289928255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway why does it need to store the name of the symbol every time?
< 1289928263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, I would prefer to have one tag distinguishing symbol vs. cons and then have the pointer tag just be smallint/pointer; that way, smallints can be 63-bits (on x86-64), and while you can have symbol-and-a-cons, you can't have symbol-and-a-cons-and-a-smallint which is just silly.
< 1289928265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you use a GCed symbol table?
< 1289928269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, uh, this is the symbol object.
< 1289928275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course every reference to it is just a pointer to it ...................
< 1289928275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1289928279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah good
< 1289928281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called interning.
< 1289928285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you rarely GC them.
< 1289928292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GCing them would be difficult to say the least.)
< 1289928297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But some things do it.)
< 1289928310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well if you don't you get a silly situation. Like that of erlang. Where you can run out of atoms in theory.
< 1289928314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :picolisp has "transient symbols" that are GC'd and they are used in place of strings... and also sometimes in macro
< 1289928315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1289928323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax is "foo" but it's displayed in the REPL as underlined foo
< 1289928339 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1289928342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the limit is rather high, and unless you are converting user input strings to atoms all the time you are probably safe)
< 1289928416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * sym:  *tag_sym, name, 0 */
< 1289928417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1289928420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* pair: x, y, *tag_pair
< 1289928420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * sym:  *tag_sym, name, 0 */
< 1289928422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that should work
< 1289928500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define nil ((cell)&nils)
< 1289928500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct { cell x; cell y; cell tag; char name[1]; }
< 1289928500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  nils = { nil, nil, tag_sym|tag_pair, "nil" };
< 1289928513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This would work, except (nils+2) has to be aligned to 0...
< 1289928524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (by nils+2 I mean &(nils.tag))
< 1289928584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1289928602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, awkward to not have everything the same size
< 1289928614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you put them in a special pool
< 1289928618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1289928619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Suggestions welcome. :P
< 1289928654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, forbid long names? If 4 letters is enough for befunge fingerprints then it is enough for you :P
< 1289928703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I could go for 16 or 24-char names.
< 1289928710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Problem is that if I use these for strings...
< 1289928722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I could always make symbols just conses of smallints.
< 1289928726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depending on what the size of cell is, and if it is 64-bit. Then you will have 3 or 7 bytes of padding after "struct { cell x; cell y; cell tag; char name[1]; }"
< 1289928727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (97 98) is 'ab :-)
< 1289928738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cell is void *
< 1289928743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 64-bit?
< 1289928746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, remember that char name[1] is actually a C89-style VLA :P
< 1289928757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes, 64-bit is the main target here.
< 1289928785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so you would have 7 bytes of padding after the end of that array. That could be used for extending the name into
< 1289928793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 8 bytes total for the name
< 1289928814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You do realise that name could be as long as I want?
< 1289928819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char name[1] is C89 phrasing of char name[].
< 1289928823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, NOT IN MY SOLUTION :P
< 1289928832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which would allocate them end on end
< 1289928843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus solving memory fragmentation
< 1289928864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make allocation simple
< 1289928905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lawl
< 1289928914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 8 bytes name does not sound fun :p
< 1289928934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Unless I Huffman-coded printable ASCII.
< 1289928982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1289929016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, it will make indexing into an array of those (not that you would need that) fast. Since it would then be a power of two in size
< 1289929023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh joy :P
< 1289929049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indexing into an array where the elements are a power of two in size is just a bitshift.
< 1289929074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have single-handedly managed to make me abandon this project :P
< 1289929090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? I was just pointing out something interesting about pointers
< 1289929096 0 :Sasha2_!~WHAT@97-124-44-104.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289929098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, but it happened anyway. :P
< 1289929105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well not my fault
< 1289929128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, the Beatles have made it on to iTunes. Now all those millions of iTunes users that have been holding out on listening to the Beatles because it's not on iTunes can experience the joy. Wait, what?
< 1289929133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow this is big news.
< 1289929153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so they no longer need to pirate it then?
< 1289929159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use spottify (if it has it)
< 1289929161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1289929169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or buy the CDs :P
< 1289929177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that sounds a bit far fetched
< 1289929204 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1289929205 0 :Sasha2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1289929251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: [[“I am particularly glad to no longer be asked when the Beatles are coming to iTunes,” said Ringo Starr.]]
< 1289929259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation: "Will you finally fuck off already?"
< 1289929264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how that's in the actual press release.
< 1289929317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1289930239 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289930250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Researchers who have spent months reverse-engineering the Stuxnet code say its level of sophistication suggests that a well-resourced nation-state is behind the attack."
< 1289930258 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, which #esoteric-er was it?
< 1289930834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:03:20 <ais523> ehird: that dwm source is clearly golfed
< 1289930834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:03:28 <ais523> it's doing things like fitting entire loops into the head of a for loop
< 1289930834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:03:44 <ais523> which is always possible, but only used for golfing and showing off AFAIK
< 1289930840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, to reply to April the First, 2009
< 1289931217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:15:53 <ais523> (if AnMaster were alive, he'd probably complain that _T infringes on implementation namespace or something like that...)
< 1289931220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately AnMaster is dead.
< 1289931278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:44:51 <bsmntbombdood> oh, who was that girl who hung out in here?
< 1289931278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:44:59 <bsmntbombdood> liked manga, slept like 2 hours per night
< 1289931278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:45:06 <oerjan> razorX, aka sukoshi
< 1289931278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:45:29 <bsmntbombdood> ah, yes
< 1289931287 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289931289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the implication that bsmntbombdood monitors and tracks everyone's sleep schedules.
< 1289931295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I should probably stop log-responding to last year.
< 1289931390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I act like an idiot one of these past April 1sts?
< 1289931500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:18:15 <ais523> in theory, sending a packet to 255.255.255.255 sends it to the entire Internet
< 1289931500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:18:21 <ais523> in practice, any sane router will drop it
< 1289931502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn!
< 1289931505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm not sure how to tell.
< 1289931604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what *is* Stammer?
< 1289931615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a lithp.
< 1289931659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely a-a-a L-l-lisp?
< 1289931678 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289931713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do?
< 1289931734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, besides the insane O() thing, what's your opinion of Clojure?
< 1289931806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It stinks.
< 1289931813 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll
< 1289931820 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My migration to Scala 2.0.0:
< 1289931828 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* I still use COBOL or equivalent
< 1289931829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Shut up.
< 1289931843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.8.0
< 1289931851 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed that by hand due to browser being a bitch
< 1289931868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... usually copy version numbers?
< 1289931898 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have copied the poll question and that option
< 1289931911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an actual poll on the Scala website
< 1289931943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsershots.org has volunteers donating compute time to make browser snapshots. You can pay the guy who runs the site an absurd monthly fee to get priority processing. I wonder if any of that money goes to the volunteers who run the screenshot boxes ... I'm betting no. Seems pretty unethical.
< 1289931986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: browsershots.org is pretty crappy in my experience.
< 1289931993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Some of those Linux browsers are VERY INTERESTINGLY configured.
< 1289932002 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, it is, but browsershots.org + js.codu.org = best idea ever ;)
< 1289932015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Make sure Lynx is included :P
< 1289932035 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lynx has no JS. And in spite of common misconception, neither do any of the .*Links.* browsers.
< 1289932043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to try it on Wikipedia
< 1289932048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Shut up. Include it.
< 1289932049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shut up.
< 1289932052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't realize that it will take a while
< 1289932053 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me?
< 1289932060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone.
< 1289932060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cancels
< 1289932082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suggest you fork w3m into w3m-js :P
< 1289932093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: w3m-html5. It even supports <canvas>, <audio> and <video>!
< 1289932130 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In all honesty, I think the only way we could get to a usable text-based browser that's borderline-modern is by having a headless graphical browser do the real work and then intelligently rerender its results in text.
< 1289932238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What you're saying is, we need a libwww that does everything, including layout, except display.
< 1289932265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And I approve :P
< 1289932272 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pretty much. Something you can plug a renderer into, and then have that renderer HAPPEN to be text based and do a bunch of approximation for pixels->cells.
< 1289932282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You just registered for Agora.
< 1289932288 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando
< 1289932298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve and suggest you do all the work.
< 1289932313 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-93-15.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289932315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's funny, 'cuz I approve and suggest YOU do all the work!
< 1289932332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm a centrist! Let's each do 50% of the work!
< 1289932354 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm a sadist, let's pikhq do 115% of the work.
< 1289932414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "let's pikhq do"
< 1289932415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1289932431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm a masochist, let's I do 75% of the work and you do 25%.
< 1289932515 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm a sadomasochist, let's everybody do 115% of the work, then throw it all away.
< 1289932521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make sshc do the work.
< 1289932529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The little bastard had it coming.
< 1289932564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshc cuts himself every night thanks to Phantom_Hoover.
< 1289932580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1289932583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He used to cut himself during the day)
< 1289932591 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elliott said that, I thought pikhq was the anti-uorygl
< 1289932605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm your boss, you do the work.
< 1289932614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what
< 1289932617 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm THE boss. Tony Danza.
< 1289932630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm a dominatrix-to-be. Pay for my sex change.
< 1289932640 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, before I checked Agora, I thought you were saying pikhq accidentally registered
< 1289932655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think we have reached maximum ridiculousness :P
< 1289932655 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the opposite of accidentallly deregistering
< 1289932845 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@k-184.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289933715 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: building ghc is not that bad actually, I've closed that terminal window now but pretty sure it took less than 30min
< 1289933775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1289933786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> 19:15:53 <ais523> (if AnMaster were alive, he'd probably complain that _T infringes on implementation namespace or something like that...) <-- what?
< 1289933800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that would be pointless. You know about it and still ignore it. :P
< 1289933801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're dead.
< 1289933813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kNOW ABOUT WHAT?
< 1289933815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Know about what?
< 1289933829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, good question :P
< 1289933834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alternatively: your mom)
< 1289934916 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads Ubuntu Desktop edition
< 1289935427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Kubuntu is decent these days
< 1289935450 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there is a lot of KDE4 hate here
< 1289935460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo pipes his brain onto IRC.
< 1289935462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be because KDE4 is made of fail.
< 1289935468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kubuntu is basically dead.
< 1289935479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will cease to be official in a few releases' time.
< 1289935508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this opinion based on?
< 1289935515 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, and C++.
< 1289935526 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the souls of children.
< 1289935527 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I used Kubuntu was many many years ago. Things liked crashing
< 1289935649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I install Desktop edition, I should be able to install Unity later if I want, right?
< 1289935706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am establishing a policy: I refuse to answer any of Sgeo's questions that could be easily and objectively answered by Google.
< 1289935711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest everyone else does the same.
< 1289935780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "Google it" count as an answer?
< 1289935809 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-181.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289935825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No.
< 1289935829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And nor does JFGI.
< 1289935835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And nor does linking you to goatse.
< 1289935841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Now go and JFGI.
< 1289935854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION already did on your prompting
< 1289935880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray. Joy and kittens.
< 1289935882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And kittens and joy.
< 1289935887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also jittens.
< 1289935889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And koy.
< 1289935899 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION self-alarms at the "on your prompting" bit though
< 1289935933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nee-naw, nee-naw, nee-naw, nee-naw. I am the external alarm actuator.
< 1289936470 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBL
< 1289936474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to install Ubuntu
< 1289936494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1289936869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I should add charge to my gravity simulator.
< 1289936904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Use it to approximately interpret http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gravity programs! (Note: Don't.)
< 1289936942 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding charge is literally a matter of defining *k* to be -1, then adding a charge number to point masses.
< 1289936965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise charge and gravity are *identical*.
< 1289936977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
< 1289937011 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It holds up, though.
< 1289937029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravity: F=Gm_1m_2/r^2
< 1289937071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charge: F=kQ_1Q_2/r^2.
< 1289937082 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where k=1/4\pi\epsilon_0.
< 1289937158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *\varepsilon! \epsilon is ugly. :-P
< 1289937255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Yes. Yes it is.
< 1289937266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/epsilon/varepsilon/
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< 1289937666 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How close could an approximate Grand iTunes interpreter get? For a hypothetical program where all point masses stay at 1, a naive approximator that just looks at a finite playing field gets it wildly wrong
< 1289937683 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1289937697 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravity. Not grand iTunes
< 1289937712 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I always use \epsilon
< 1289937752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grand iTunes Interpreter.
< 1289937756 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh
< 1289937758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: \epsilon is ugly and you are a horrible person.
< 1289937766 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o at libass
< 1289937771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly redefining \epsilon to \varepsilon is better than kludging the name in all the time.
< 1289937777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more seman-ticky.,
< 1289937778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ticky.
< 1289937783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: You're an ass.
< 1289937787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/libass/
< 1289937828 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they want to subtitle my ass?
< 1289937843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1289937845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yes.
< 1289937852 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2, gravity is IIRC one of those things with asymptotic precision on a Turing machine.
< 1289937945 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the Ubuntu installer will putt the acupuncture=no thing
< 1289937951 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tuck you autocorrect
< 1289938216 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why there are 3 windows options in grub
< 1289938235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE YOU ARE HEADCRAB ZOMBIE
< 1289938236 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why 2 failed to work, and the third is creeping me out
< 1289938259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* SgeoN2 wonders if the Ubuntu installer will putt the acupuncture=no thing
< 1289938260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1289938261 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sgeo... come with us into the bootloader... come... join us..."
< 1289938268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[X] Disable acupuncture
< 1289938280 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't want to do system recovery!
< 1289938320 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu seems to have some trouble booting
< 1289938342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: Protip: Restart the installation, this time choose to use the entire hard disk.
< 1289938346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will get rid of irritating Windows.
< 1289938356 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about no?
< 1289938379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: How about yes.
< 1289938512 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some windows thing is attempting to repair disk errors, and saying it might take over an hour to complete
< 1289938543 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chances of it obliterating GRUB?
< 1289938586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: 333% unless you ditch goddamn windows.
< 1289938639 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2, have you even *tried* AW on Wine?
< 1289938673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2 is too young to drink alcohols
< 1289938679 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grub not obliterated. PH, in the past
< 1289938692 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott, actually, I'm not
< 1289938713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are.
< 1289938718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no possible way you are 21.
< 1289938736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless he's suddenly got caught in a time loop.
< 1289938758 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is working again
< 1289938768 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to try to get Ubuntu to work
< 1289938797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2, the man eternally battling to keep two OSes afloat amid a sea of nostalgia.
< 1289938854 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acpi=off
< 1289938860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, like Atlas if it was two OSes rather than the world.
< 1289938864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if Atlas was nostalgic.
< 1289938870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if Atlas juggled.
< 1289938885 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if Atlas was the one holding up the world.
< 1289938907 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't until someone made a book of maps in like the 1900's
< 1289938930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if olsner was beaten to death by a crow before he ever got the chance to say that.
< 1289938936 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1289938937 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, Ubuntu's bootimg
< 1289938951 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses the swatpan to travel 2 minutes back in time.
< 1289938952 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been told he did hold up the sky though, so "rather than the sky" would work
< 1289938959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the heavens, it seems
< 1289938963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/MAN_Atlante_fronte_1040572.JPG
< 1289938964 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills olsner with the swatpan
< 1289938969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Farnese Atlas, a 2nd century Roman copy of a Hellenistic work (Naples)"
< 1289938970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes olsner's identity.
< 1289938972 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, just need to edit the grub file
< 1289938974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're not a crow.
< 1289938982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> Actually, that was all lies.
< 1289938986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: You're not meant to do that. Use grub-update.
< 1289938991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, but I put a crow in the swatpan.
< 1289938991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, update-grub.
< 1289939074 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to edit the damn thing!
< 1289939086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: ...
< 1289939088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: sudo update-grub.
< 1289939089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up and do it.
< 1289939102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind you asking things incessantly nearly as much if you FOLLOWED ADVICE WHEN GIVEN IT.
< 1289939179 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it. It just did its own useless thing
< 1289939182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he's been tying himself to Windows for the sake of a single application for years now. If he wanted our input, he would have taken it.
< 1289939198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: ...
< 1289939228 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man update-grub doesn't hint at any options
< 1289939268 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries man grub-mkconfig
< 1289939274 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my... you were almost fun there for a short while, then you turned boring again
< 1289939284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: You are now on indefinite ignore until you cease doing at least one of these things: (1) Asking questions incessantly when they are not interesting and easily answerable by Google. (2) Ignoring advice when given it. When you cease doing at least one of these things, you may ignore-evade in any way you wish in order to communicate this fact to me. Do not evade the ignore for other reasons. The ignore will be reinstated if you start doing w
< 1289939285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hat you claimed to have ceased again.
< 1289939294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Who?
< 1289939301 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: everyone
< 1289939314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i blame you. also, society
< 1289939320 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But your damn "advice" is useless here!
< 1289939341 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried it!
< 1289939355 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: blame all you want
< 1289939367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: did you not destroy Atlas
< 1289939399 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, you already did long ago by giving him false attributes, I undestroyed him for you
< 1289939417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: To respond to your last pre-ignore messages, you are allowed to cease asking incessant questions of the type I described, instead of ceasing to follow advice when given.
< 1289939469 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can... try
< 1289939508 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? Did Elliott just suggest that one option is to stop following given advice?
< 1289939616 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, I don't have a /boot/grub/menu.lst
< 1289939630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: No. (I feel it bad karma to tell you things without at least checking for replies.) The two options are:
< 1289939638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) Asking questions incessantly when they are not interesting and easily answerable by Google. (2) Ignoring advice when given it.
< 1289939653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe (2) is the best thing to stop doing, really, and it does not appear to be what you want to do.
< 1289939655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore I suggest (1).
< 1289939687 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to do 1
< 1289939694 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Sgeo actually did what you told him, though.
< 1289939708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, well, it was more an accumulation.
< 1289939729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If Sgeo stops (1) he knows how to tell me. fungot is, after all, present.
< 1289939729 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not sure
< 1289939741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of...what?
< 1289939774 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Google found me an answer of what to do to get update-grub to do what I want
< 1289939787 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it didn't
< 1289939846 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it mentioned some package
< 1289939859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sure of what, that is?)
< 1289939896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, apparently Golly didn't work properly on Fedora.
< 1289939898 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elliott aware that I didn't cause fungot to say that?
< 1289939899 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: that would be ( load " /syntax-case") to " 6566676869707172"?? haha
< 1289939921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What?
< 1289939922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it assumed that an Ubuntu-only symbol was in libz.so.
< 1289939939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ubuntu-only symbol? Presumably Debian-only but still, I don't think they tend to change APIs...
< 1289939952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'd assume Debian as well.
< 1289939954 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was useless
< 1289939956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought fungot was relaying a Sgeo message. Heh.
< 1289939957 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: until i find the tendency to minimize attractive... in a sense... " fnord" would sound: really stupid.
< 1289939965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fnord does indeed sound really stupid.
< 1289939981 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine Ubuntu patching that severely.
< 1289940013 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The evils of shared libraries!
< 1289940015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Debian tends to change APIs, but whatever.
< 1289940020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Indeed! :-P
< 1289940029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Except that I imagine the compilation would have failed on Fedora instead...
< 1289940037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tried to compile it on Fedora.
< 1289940042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows.
< 1289940054 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume they were using the prebuilt binary, but still...
< 1289940100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the reason that binary wasn't compatible across distros was SHARED LIBRARIES!
< 1289940123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED
< 1289940259 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found what I needed on Ubuntu Wiki's grub2 page
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< 1289940311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"720x400" WHY WOULD YOU EVER SCALE A VIDEO TO THAT RESOLUTION. EVER.
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< 1289940698 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are you obsessed with incest or something?" "Yeah, I have a sister."
< 1289940713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Oh, I thought fungot was relaying a Sgeo message. Heh. <-- you have him on ignore or?
< 1289940714 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: stalin does, but that's easy to do and
< 1289940719 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay...
< 1289940728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalin vs. martians I presume
< 1289940729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> SgeoN2: You are now on indefinite ignore until you cease doing at least one of these things: (1) Asking questions incessantly when they are not interesting and easily answerable by Google. (2) Ignoring advice when given it. When you cease doing at least one of these things, you may ignore-evade in any way you wish in order to communicate this fact to me. Do not evade the ignore for other reasons. The ignore will be reinstated if you sta
< 1289940729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rt doing w
< 1289940729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> hat you claimed to have ceased again.
< 1289940729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1289940730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal
< 1289940739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah
< 1289940768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ha, Stalin vs. Martians got terrible reviews: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_vs._Martians
< 1289940790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I know.
< 1289940801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wasn't it done as a parody of bad games or something?
< 1289940813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> "Are you obsessed with incest or something?" "Yeah, I have a sister."
< 1289940817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context? :-P
< 1289940821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Who knows?
< 1289940825 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a quote
< 1289940862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, from when?
< 1289940878 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1289940879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1289940880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1289940880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> "Are you obsessed with incest or something?" "Yeah, I have a sister."
< 1289940880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> <elliott> Oh, I thought fungot was relaying a Sgeo message. Heh. <-- you have him on ignore or?
< 1289940881 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 2 razor-x: ps ( thread-id 5)
< 1289940896 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :201|<alise> So basically we're having an awful lot of very dangerous intercourse.   <alise> Involving open wounds.   <coppro> I'm going to take a shower
< 1289940896 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98|<fungot> ehird: every set can be well-ordered. corollary: every set s has the same diagram used from famous program talisman with fnord windows to cascade, someone i would never capitalize " i"
< 1289940896 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :147|<ais523> (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?)
< 1289940936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how did that happen?
< 1289940937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1289940940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover said it thrice.
< 1289940949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1289940949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1289940949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1289940951 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15|<Lil`Cube> wouldn't that be considered pedophilia? <Quas_NaArt> No. They all go by stage names.
< 1289940952 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :112|<Dylan> Warrigal is the Harlem Globe Frotter
< 1289940953 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :125|Note that quote number 124 is not actually true.
< 1289940966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 124 -- it's inevitable
< 1289940966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 124
< 1289940969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1289940970 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1289940970 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :124|<Warrigal> I cannot eat meat that isn't flat.
< 1289940983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh for i in $(seq 10); do echo '`quote; done
< 1289940987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, that won't work.
< 1289941000 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, read that as "I cannot eat meat that's gone flat"
< 1289941001 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/input.30719: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
< 1289941008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lol
< 1289941009 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can only eat carbonated meat
< 1289941016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to try carbonated meat now
< 1289941084 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, you can only eat until it goes flat
< 1289941125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
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< 1289941143 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Indeed." is such a nice sentence
< 1289941161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Teal'c concurs.
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< 1289941274 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheeee!
< 1289941380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw in my storage room in minecraft. I hate signs for all chests. Most are stuff like "Dirt" "Cobblestone" or such. Some chests ended up containing more than one thing due to not having very much of anything. I Like the sign saying "Safety/TNT" :D
< 1289941416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(safety = various stuff like fences, ladders and such)
< 1289941461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh
< 1289941468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNT, for your safety.
< 1289941507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah and I only realised the sillyness of that sign after I placed it
< 1289941520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*silliness, English nonsensicality ahoy!
< 1289941539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1289941580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically y->i when doing that :P
< 1289941587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also due to using one sign between 4 chests I have to use one row per chest. Which leads to stuff like "<- Au/Fe/Gem" (can't use C, because C could be coal as well as diamond. And coal is in another chest)
< 1289941588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when putting a suffix after it, I guess
< 1289941597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh
< 1289941710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, issue with using lightstone in the ceiling: the floor above looks rather silly
< 1289941723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm perhaps I could somehow put them under wall for most of the time...
< 1289941738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, jack-o-lanterns are really nice and cheap
< 1289941740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably know this
< 1289941759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but that depends on finding pumpkins. I have extremely few in this world.
< 1289941781 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I found 5. There are about 3 more according to some mapping tools. Spread out in remote and hard to reach places
< 1289941793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, on the generated chunks
< 1289941804 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there are way more if I were to explore the whole world
< 1289941809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uh... :P)
< 1289941847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I found a lot of easy to reach lightstone
< 1289941861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hmm, true, pumpkins are rare, but often I start a game and quickly come across a patch of them.
< 1289941870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 7 or so.
< 1289941871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice.
< 1289941886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1289941893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, say hi
< 1289941894 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ( although he was pretty much the only thing you can call me something different".
< 1289941895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wouldn't last very far for this castle
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< 1289941921 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1289942043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ul (I will try to not ask easily-Googleable and stupid questions)S
< 1289942053 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1289942087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1289942088 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1289942102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo I will try to not ask easily-Googleable and stupid questions
< 1289942103 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to not ask easily-Googleable and stupid questions
< 1289942131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, HackEgo?
< 1289942133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1289942301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Who,
< 1289942341 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Would that count as a stupid question? Admittedly, not easily Googled, but easily log-determinable
< 1289942342 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that count as a stupid question? Admittedly, not easily Googled, but easily log-determinable
< 1289942382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, "Who -- HackEgo?"
< 1289942387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "HackEgo: Who?"
< 1289942391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can stop that now, I can see your messages.
< 1289942502 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to install unity for some reason
< 1289942513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You really don't want Unity, but be my guest...
< 1289942536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It may be too slow, as well, depending on your graphics card.
< 1289942553 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I should install the restricted drivers
< 1289942630 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unity is the one they're putting Wayland on, isn't it?
< 1289942638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The right choice for all the wrong reasons.
< 1289942664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What wrong reasons are there? As far as I can tell it's "X sucks", which it does.
< 1289942669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they're putting Unity on Wayland.
< 1289942673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got it the wrong way around.
< 1289942675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What card? Intel?
< 1289942678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know
< 1289942679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, there are no restricted drivers.
< 1289942685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What wrong reasons?
< 1289942696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason of making Unity exist at all.
< 1289942701 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, some ATI card
< 1289942725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Unity exists for netbooks. It will exist for desktops because GNOME Shell is going to be awful.
< 1289942737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It could have been good but its flaws are too numerous, I feel. Perhaps they will fix it.
< 1289942747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're screwing up GNOME now, as well?
< 1289942782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to sum up: KDE, screwed; GNOME, to be screwed; XFCE, to join GNOME in its screwedness.
< 1289942782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. Say goodbye to the panel.
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< 1289942799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Xfce are probably too bass-ackwards to ever change anything. :)
< 1289942828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LIKED panels¬
< 1289942850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They're good enough in the WIMP system. The real problem is that GNOME's replacement is just stupid and no I won't tell you, google GNOME Shell.
< 1289942887 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would they make GNOME Shell a default thing?
< 1289942901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not make it "Oh, here's this experimental thing we want to play with"?
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< 1289942946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because they think it's better, and GNOME 3 is meant to revolutionise EVERYYYYTHIIIIIIIIIIING
< 1289942954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't see it as a plaything.
< 1289942969 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, if you want to do *anything*, you have to move the mouse to the corner and go into GUI subspace?
< 1289942975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, get @ finished. NOW.
< 1289943000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DONE
< 1289943005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be back soonish
< 1289943012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1289943025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's called buy a Lisp Machine. (And before you argue, note that @'s compatibility will hardly be better. All you need to code is an IRC client and a web browser really.)
< 1289943041 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf: "move the mouse to the corner and go into GUI subspace?"
< 1289943044 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that even mean?
< 1289943073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, compatibility with what?
< 1289943075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware?
< 1289943080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Existing systems :P
< 1289943084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1289943087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Google GNOME Shell.
< 1289943100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Explaining it is a tedious process when a fancy video can impart its shittiness quiet adequately.
< 1289943101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quite
< 1289943119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you write some @ code to interface with Ye Olde Filesystemes?
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< 1289943234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sure; Genera can already access filesystems. Well, Open Genera can via NFS; I'm sure Genera has NFS too. Or if not, it won't be too hard to code it. Probably. Since Genera actually has a filesystem.
< 1289943251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add something crap and universal.
< 1289943251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But yes, @ will have olde filesystem access sometime. It will not be all *that* integrated and I have no plans of making it so, but it will be functional.
< 1289943258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not going to support writing to NTFS :-)
< 1289943263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NTFS.
< 1289943267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really asking for integration.
< 1289943320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (You should buy a Lisp Machine anyway. Even if the shipping of a 3620 to London is $900.)
< 1289943344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (I suppose you could just buy a MacIvory, if you're lame and want the Lisp Machine to be an expansion card of a 68k Macintosh that you bring up Genera on by opening a Mac OS application.)
< 1289943357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (Those are cheaper to ship, I think, but more expensive. Probably cheaper overall.)
< 1289943371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Or you could just dedicate a partition to Ubuntu 7.10 with snap4 set up to run Open Genera for free.
< 1289943390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even set up X11 without a window manager and start Open Genera on boot. Seamless!
< 1289943414 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. Unity froze
< 1289943466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2's suffering feeds my joy.
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< 1289944129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can no longer mouse up to the top of the screen to click a tab :(
< 1289944186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so Sgeo discovers Fitt's Law.
< 1289944191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, *Fitts'
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< 1289944387 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was "people can click big things more easily than small things".
< 1289944472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uhh... more refined than that. It's also "Things at the edges of the screen are easy to click because they're infinitely high/wide. Corners are the absolute easiest things to click, since they're both."
< 1289944483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's actually a formula with parameters, but it yields this result.
< 1289944486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is true.)
< 1289944524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's fairly obvious when stated plainly — after all, you can overshoot the edges by any amount and still be at the edge.
< 1289944541 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, it combines them
< 1289944561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd heard of both, but I hadn't realised they were both the same law.
< 1289944611 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make some thing where the cursor keeps moving past the edge
< 1289944614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to be a prick
< 1289944685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you want to see some images of the castle I have been working on? Note: not finished yet. Took quite a lot of time what with the lower walls being obsidian.
< 1289944692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes.
< 1289944708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay will take some. I believe it is several chunks in size
< 1289944743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...aren't chunks huge?
< 1289944752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 64x64 iirc?
< 1289944754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that
< 1289944764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe it is 4x4 chunks or such
< 1289944773 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh sun is setting
< 1289944784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, photos will have to wait 10 minute or so. Nothing much to see atm...
< 1289944795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/image?c=03AHJ_VutELgGQ23UEOR4UMo73E5ZtPQujY1tbYuonaG8cfhiJ7qzTRCPSV1nYXXP_9VmMqtEIR9tNvV2Jm5wXMrROAxdbuUf8WHxcanzn9ggGTl4ndwuvAhjeJ275UQdtPTxzguqat0U8VcALxAob8qvAfBgVeNi9DA
< 1289944801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, recaptcha.
< 1289944822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt I could load it atm. Opening firefox = swaptrash
< 1289944822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"peasants Fercuina"
< 1289944823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is it
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< 1289944839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Awful, that's what.
< 1289944860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "A method used by Notch to divide infinite maps in the alpha release. They are 16*128*16 blocks."
< 1289944871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably 128 is height.
< 1289944881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So, more than that!
< 1289944887 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1289944894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Haha, imagine if you ran the generator with a clean slate for every chunk.
< 1289944897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microbiomes.
< 1289944906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is just that if you load the game while standing inside, it takes a few seconds until the remote walls show up
< 1289944916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Terrain generated in infdev has the potential to be almost 235 petabytes, which is 240,640 terabytes, in size when stored in memory, due to the sheer size of the map (several times the surface area of the Earth)."
< 1289944923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :D
< 1289944948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It appears the world is not actually infinite.
< 1289944949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just HUGE.
< 1289944956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :235 petabytes max.
< 1289944964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway: long term goal: make ground floor obsidian as well. Due to the size that is a long term goal. it has been done around the doors however
< 1289944965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The world folder may have up to 64 subfolders, each with up to 64 additional subfolders each."
< 1289944980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably coordinates are 64-bit or something.
< 1289944985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh
< 1289944990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And you stay in this thing every night?
< 1289944996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not sure of the size. But I think it is like 50x30 or something like that
< 1289945008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well nah, peaceful *still* so I build on it
< 1289945032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh come on, disable peaceful :P
< 1289945034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but that is the plan. Going to build defences outside. I have a catus farm going near the beech outside
< 1289945034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have no excuse by now.
< 1289945039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beach
< 1289945044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There is no way anything could get inside that castle :P
< 1289945058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, excuse: stairs into place are not well protected. Think of creepers
< 1289945089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also yes spiders could still jump on top. Which is where I'm building the second floor atm (stone. Why stone.... smelting cobblestone all the time...)
< 1289945100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Creepers haven't got that much patience :P
< 1289945105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it looked better but I'm starting to regret the decision...)
< 1289945131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Make sure to build a spire all the way to the top.
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< 1289945132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OOH!
< 1289945148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Make a spiral staircase that finishes at the absolute top with, say, a 4x4 platform. You know you want to.
< 1289945159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe absolute top but one, so you can have protecting walls on the outside so you don't fall off.
< 1289945166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you probably want walls around the staircase in case you fall.
< 1289945170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WOULD BE PERFECT
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< 1289945175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have to do any work either!
< 1289945241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Or just use a vertical boat.)
< 1289945244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1289945247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also build it out of OBSIDIAN because that's PRACTICAL.
< 1289945264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Eventually your castle will be so big that you'll have to navigate it with the Nether.
< 1289945291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw next time I build something like this I will use a small obsidian tower, maybe 10 high. Then build a fort on top of that. Would look improbable. But less obsidian needed
< 1289945294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hey, put minecarts in the Nether and have, like, signs at various places of interest. That would eliminate the need to build underground railways, and it'd be faster, too.
< 1289945299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a misplaced obsidian HURTS to correct
< 1289945302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ha
< 1289945338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw I plan on a moat of fire and cactus around (fire using netherstone, of which I have *two* chests filled).
< 1289945350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or lava
< 1289945358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but getting lava would take longer
< 1289945387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh btw I build this around a nether portal.
< 1289945391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How about just hoping for a Nether biome and building inside that :P
< 1289945395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*built
< 1289945402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah
< 1289945404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Nether biome = huge solid cube, as you know.)
< 1289945408 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1289945410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a nether?
< 1289945411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd just need a door to the inside :P
< 1289945415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a (Nether biome)
< 1289945419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like heather. Only less so
< 1289945421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nether = Hades, etc.
< 1289945434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And netherstone?
< 1289945464 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, buy the game :P
< 1289945489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I have no CRED... waitaminute
< 1289945500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's only £9 :P
< 1289945502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got some piece of bank-related plastic in the post yesterday.
< 1289945512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERHAPS IT DOES SOMETHING RELATING TO MONEY
< 1289945706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. How to build a protected dock
< 1289945707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder
< 1289945719 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does say "Maestro" on it.
< 1289945725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't completely close it. placing a door on a square = no water on it
< 1289945727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^
< 1289945742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, how do I build a secure dock connected to this house?
< 1289945749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any bright ideas?
< 1289945754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That appears to be a money word.
< 1289945784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1289945805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm
< 1289945811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You mean, water couldn't flow past the door?
< 1289945821 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can get money from it. But is it electric money?
< 1289945825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lawl
< 1289945828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean that it will create a hole
< 1289945833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but is it??
< 1289945833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can enemies pass through a 1x1x1 hole on the ground?
< 1289945834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me take a screenshot of the effect
< 1289945842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe spiders could
< 1289945847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If not: Let there be a hole with water flowing through on the "ground level". Board the rest up.
< 1289945851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on a piece of paper that says "debit card"!
< 1289945854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK, then, can spiders destroy a 1x1x1 block?
< 1289945874 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also says "Mr", and then my real name, which shows that it's from a bank.
< 1289945876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If not: Have an easily-destroyed block. Destroy it to open the "door". Put it back afterwards.
< 1289945886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and a boat need 2x3 to pass through (2 wide, 3 high)
< 1289945893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or perhaps 2x2
< 1289945900 0 :Sasha2!~WHAT@75-174-222-101.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289945904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't go through 1 wide anyway
< 1289945916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will need it 3 high to get out
< 1289945926 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if 2 high is enough if you are sitting down
< 1289945936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK, how about accepting that the dock might get invaded, and just protecting the house with a door?
< 1289945946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just prepare to FIGHT when you open the door to the dock.
< 1289945957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just leave the smallest hole you can for boats in the actual dock.
< 1289945964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm... :/
< 1289945980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway my minecart system is secure. :D
< 1289945980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, if it's next to a sea, I doubt you'll see anything swim there and then go through the small hole.
< 1289945986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And then stay there for the rest of the night.
< 1289945992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, skeletons can walk under water iirc
< 1289945994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Besides, you could easily fight it off.
< 1289945997 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and won't burn then
< 1289946065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I still think you should build a minecart system inside a big block of Nether.
< 1289946068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw I would build some of those TNT defense cannons except they seem to have a tendency to sometimes explode in the wrong way (that is, destroying the canon)...
< 1289946070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Overground Nether has monsters)
< 1289946075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That'd be faster and more fun!
< 1289946118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is no over-ground in nether. Also not all stations I want to get to have portals. Even though I tried they just end up pointing elsewhere
< 1289946147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but I mean...
< 1289946153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how you sometimes spawn on a really huge, really tall block in Nether?
< 1289946160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use its "underground".
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< 1289946404 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh there is a cave system there!?
< 1289946411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 20 meters from my fort
< 1289946412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1289946418 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of coal and iron. Nice
< 1289946421 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but deep
< 1289946426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. Will need to do something about it
< 1289946468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, preparing to upload screenshots
< 1289946579 0 :digimunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1289946602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1289946619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to boot from ISO (Note that I'm not asking if it's possible: I'm about to Google)
< 1289946681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, first: water + door = http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/minecraft/screenshots/2010-11-16_23.18.41.png
< 1289946685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It is not really.
< 1289946685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it is not.
< 1289946690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There is support in GRUB 2.
< 1289946691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried and failed.
< 1289946695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But the OS has to support it.
< 1289946707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, see what I mean?
< 1289946708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Think about it -- the OS, even if its kernel is loaded, has to find where all the the files are on its /. So it has to mount it.
< 1289946721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And it isn't going to go mount another partition and look for an ISO. (Not unless you added support for that.)
< 1289946734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Some Linux distro does it.
< 1289946752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure.
< 1289946756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But does it work if you open it?
< 1289946761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are those that boot from disk images indeed. Never heard of booting from the iso case though
< 1289946765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it stays a hole
< 1289946765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If not, can the boat survive a bumpy start like that?
< 1289946770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, just go on anyway.
< 1289946780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and well, I know it can survive with *one* side that way
< 1289946784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the standard dock
< 1289946786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about both
< 1289946789 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will try in a bit
< 1289946810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway it would be too low to get throygh... Hm can you stack doors I wonder...
< 1289946815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eh? I don't get it. But okay.)
< 1289946817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably :P
< 1289946886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1289946888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you would suffocate by getting your head in the stone. The door is 2 blocks high. the lower half is in the "water" (or rather: it isn't... thanks to the screwy physics). So one block above the water
< 1289946890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | 10 MAYBE 30 ELSE 15 : 15 MAYBE 40 ELSE 20 : 20 MAYBE 10 ELSE 25 : 25 MAYBE 40 ELSE 30 : 30 MAYBE 10 ELSE 35 : 35 MAYBE 20 ELSE 40 : 40 MAYBE 20 ELSE 45 : 45 MAYBE 30 ELSE 10
< 1289946895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho ho ho.
< 1289946931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when you sit in boat your head is in block 2 above the water I think
< 1289946945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus: suffocation risk
< 1289946950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just not getting through
< 1289946958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fort photos: http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/minecraft/screenshots/fort/
< 1289946977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw did I mention the spherical pano from mine craft that I was working on. Should get that done
< 1289946987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dreaded Fort Norlander!
< 1289947002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walls of blackest black!
< 1289947014 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I thought "Fort Fuck You Mine Is bigger"
< 1289947023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parapets of greyest grey!
< 1289947023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fort or other)
< 1289947033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floors of muddiest mud!
< 1289947036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, walls are dark blue
< 1289947048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, err the stuff below is below the floor
< 1289947052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean the dirt
< 1289947058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :below the dark blue walls
< 1289947063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floors of flooriest floor!
< 1289947073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walls of bluest blue!
< 1289947083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parapets of greyest grey¬
< 1289947092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and the stone above the lower level is just the start of the walls for the second level
< 1289947129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wat @ http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/minecraft/screenshots/fort/2010-11-16_23.12.46.png
< 1289947136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not got walls yet? :P
< 1289947139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that the second floor?
< 1289947143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is the second one
< 1289947153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the stairs up to the future third one
< 1289947157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/minecraft/screenshots/fort/2010-11-16_23.13.04.png What's that pathway for?
< 1289947164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the little door with torches around it.
< 1289947186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it marks where my mine cart system goes. So I could plan it out. And know where to turn.
< 1289947194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and also figure out how deep below the water it needed to go
< 1289947202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Please tell me your fort has a way to go underground to the minecart system.
< 1289947204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, it is no fun if you get flooded while building
< 1289947212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh indeed. It is on the first floor
< 1289947213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And then all you have to do is build forts at every stop, and you NEVER HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR HOUSE.
< 1289947240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could run an underground system of tunnels and build up from that!
< 1289947248 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day... a peaceful field.
< 1289947259 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next... an outpost of Fort Norlander!
< 1289947265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually the next stop (this fort is an end station currently) is into a cavern/mine. The upper part and very closed off. There are doors to the actual caverns from there
< 1289947292 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1289947317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the next stop after that is the spawn point. And then a house next to the farming area. Then the end stop at the other end, which is just outside the first deep cavern system I found.
< 1289947325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be more built in
< 1289947328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I get around to it
< 1289947337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, is it called Fort Norlander.
< 1289947345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no.
< 1289947363 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you have such a cool surname and you're WASTING IT
< 1289947368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I believe the sea is at level 60 or something. And the first leg from the fort of the mine cart system is at level 40. So quite deep
< 1289947370 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My surname is so BORING!
< 1289947375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh? What is it?
< 1289947402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not falling for that!
< 1289947406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1289947413 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffice to say that it's McX for some X.
< 1289947418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a cool X, either.
< 1289947426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, MacHover?
< 1289947431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1289947434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :McHoover*
< 1289947438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice
< 1289947443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr at screencast with scrollbars
< 1289947451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, hm?
< 1289947465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video is too large for the browser, so I see scrollbars
< 1289947468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom McHoover
< 1289947473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_McHoover
< 1289947530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway. I'm not sure how much time it would take to build the second floor roof. I think the third floor will actually be some castle-like thingies. Towers in the corners. Open to the air. Perhaps the entire third floor dotted with light stones? Hm
< 1289947533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could look nice
< 1289947541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also provide nice light for the level below
< 1289947556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the one above
< 1289947606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like the idea?
< 1289947638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, going to work on pano now
< 1289947650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure.
< 1289947659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh. Wtf
< 1289947664 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugin: error while loading shared libraries: libexiv2.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
< 1289947668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses SOMEONE
< 1289947678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have to recompile it
< 1289947754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent 25 bytes  received 290285 bytes  25244.35 bytes/sec
< 1289947754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total size is 15800000  speedup is 54.42
< 1289947759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice total size there
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< 1289947989 0 :Phantom_McHoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, incidentally, did you make the obsidian by casting lava?
< 1289948084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> hugin: error while loading shared libraries: libexiv2.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
< 1289948085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Vorpal curses SOMEONE
< 1289948087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, shared libraries suck.
< 1289948093 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230228139.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289948105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_McHoover, I used water on still lava yes
< 1289948109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need still lava
< 1289948130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrrrrrrrrrb
< 1289948330 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone called donald needs to make a minecraft server
< 1289948335 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call it McDonald's
< 1289948360 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extra kudos if it's donald knuth
< 1289948654 0 :Phantom_McHoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1289949277 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For no good reason, I am trying again
< 1289949285 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1289949628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fizzie: http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/minecraft/minecraft_pano_test1.jpg
< 1289949642 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1289949648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some seems yes
< 1289949651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly in the sky
< 1289949661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also needs to be straightened a bit
< 1289949680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this goes 360 degrees to the top
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< 1289950021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that Descent-level-to-Blender exporting thing; maybe I could construct a Minecraft-to-Blender version too. (Though I'm sure there already are ways to render Minecraft worlds with third-party toolery.)
< 1289950097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is but they don't render the same mostly
< 1289950114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clouds. Mostly shows ores instead
< 1289950116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1289950205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1289950330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/minecraft/minecraft_pano_test1.jpg
< 1289950334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft has weird geometry
< 1289950348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh?
< 1289950376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looks strange :P
< 1289950379 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, blame 360° in left-right and 180° in up-down
< 1289950384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just due to panorama.
< 1289950387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like the lands are tilted
< 1289950388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1289950392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far-off
< 1289950397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, minecraft does however have strange *geography*
< 1289950402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not strange geometry
< 1289950404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it does.
< 1289950409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weather is location!
< 1289950417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what?
< 1289950424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: biomes
< 1289950436 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289950443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is with the new generator. You seen the location before btw
< 1289950446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some days ago
< 1289950447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know.
< 1289950449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean that
< 1289950455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's always winter in a winter biome
< 1289950455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I played with VirtualBox, I remember having less than a fun time switching virtual CDs
< 1289950460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always spring/summer in the ... regular biome
< 1289950466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's trivial.
< 1289950472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just right click the CD icon and pick a new one.
< 1289950502 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1289950510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well notch might add seasons
< 1289950513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1289950516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if he did
< 1289950523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to be short ones though
< 1289950527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it would get boring
< 1289950528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think I read about plans for weather.
< 1289950540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well weather is shorter scale
< 1289950540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: On the Biomes wiki page or something.
< 1289950546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1289950555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, VirtualBox has 3d accel
< 1289950561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, sucky yes
< 1289950564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Good luck with that."
< 1289950576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but I mean. Winter for a few hundred days = boring
< 1289950580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I doubt Active Worlds is intensive enough to require it anyway :P
< 1289950596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it would take a whole 33 hours :P
< 1289950606 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to try various Linux distros.. and any 3d effects they might have
< 1289950607 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1289950607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 33 whole *playing* hours
< 1289950610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: >_<
< 1289950613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Compiz is useless crap.
< 1289950621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which is a bit longer. You don't play for 33 hours straight
< 1289950626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is anti-humane.
< 1289950643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I still think you should be able to let the game time go on unattended; if you, say, get into a shelter, it'd be safe.
< 1289950669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, click "start unattended", Minecraft exits, next time you start it up, it simulates the world for as many seconds as it's been down.
< 1289950673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps approximated.
< 1289950675 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can. open inventory. Switch away
< 1289950688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That doesn't work if you shut down your computer.
< 1289950701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah you are doing something wrong there :P
< 1289950728 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1289950731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lawl
< 1289950733 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB
< 1289950751 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.194 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289950757 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This installation is supposed to reset my network connection
< 1289950764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What installation?
< 1289950772 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox
< 1289950776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Err, ...
< 1289950780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You are using the one from the repositories right?
< 1289950786 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314
< 1289950790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not downloading it manually?
< 1289950791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right now I'm on Windows
< 1289950795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1289950808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Trust me, you either want Debian or Ubuntu.
< 1289950819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The others suck immensely :P
< 1289950830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except *maybe* Fedora
< 1289950832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fedora.
< 1289950856 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1289950875 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember OpenSUSE looking cool in one screenshot I saw
< 1289950892 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1289950901 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archlinux is great too
< 1289950904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make any distro look like any other in general :P
< 1289950923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You do realise that default configurations are irrelevant?
< 1289950929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You do realise that flashiness is IRRELEVANT?
< 1289950932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshc: it really isn't
< 1289950969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshc: what Arch would like to be is nice enough. what Arch actually is, is a community of people who think that small monospaced fonts in a semi-transparent terminal constitutes "minimalism"
< 1289951009 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like small monospaced fonts in a tabbed tiling WM.
< 1289951009 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, adding CDs in VirtualBox is still a prick
< 1289951014 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Debian to flush my toilets for me.
< 1289951022 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it doesn't always work.
< 1289951060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1289951069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1289951073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshc: You're so EDGY.
< 1289951103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshc: Have fun with anything that uses the "python" executable inexplicably not working because your distro is run by people who think that the "future" involves breaking things for the sake of higher version numbers.
< 1289951105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually that thing about small monospaced font in semi-transparent isn't default. Would need to be setup.
< 1289951112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Arch users are all about setup!
< 1289951126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and every distro with a reasonable sized user base will have idiots
< 1289951129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In fact, their average day involves installing a new window manager and configuring it to be pretty but impossible to use.
< 1289951134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, but have you SEEN the Arch forums?
< 1289951140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're almost worse than Ubuntu's!
< 1289951145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I'm not interested in forums :P
< 1289951160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: At least the idiots on the Ubuntu forums aren't package maintainers.
< 1289951162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever.
< 1289951171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, There was one guy who packaged lots of ocaml stuff on aur for example. And frama-c/why
< 1289951181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so obviously there are smart people out there
< 1289951200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, I'm not the only smart arch user)
< 1289951215 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL|afk
< 1289951219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure... but they have reached critical mass.
< 1289951223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are now a squatter.
< 1289951231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh?
< 1289951256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the territory of the bozos
< 1289951259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squatter? Not the domain sense presumably?
< 1289951286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a dictionary :P
< 1289951306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, EISDOWNSTAIRS ETOOFAR
< 1289951310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google.com
< 1289951321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, a few years ago the sane developers decided to ignore Gentoo users' complaints because they were usually clueless ricers and because the maintainers generally didn't give too much of a shit about how badly they broke stuff.
< 1289951334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, EMINECRAFTPRECLUDESRUNNINGBROWSER
< 1289951342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nowadays, it's Arch. And the maintainers to ignore are instead AUR packagers, meaning that the quality is even lower.
< 1289951408 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably use gentoo if I could skip the compilation time
< 1289951433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, only debian stable would be more outdated...
< 1289951447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least arch has quite recent packages
< 1289951455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I love how Gentoo manages to be bleeding-edge in its sheer unreliability and dinosauric in its outdatedness.
< 1289951462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a true achievement.
< 1289951463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed
< 1289951481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it used to be much more up-to-date in stabe
< 1289951484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stable*
< 1289951485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, the answer to all this is to use Kitten. Which, I swear, is being worked on.
< 1289951496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It actually is!)
< 1289951498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, rolling release?
< 1289951501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so
< 1289951505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But of course.
< 1289951508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also it needs to package what I want
< 1289951512 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite a lot of packages
< 1289951515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What do you want? :P
< 1289951529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /var/lib/pacman/local/ | wc -l
< 1289951529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :949
< 1289951531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Making a package should be really trivial if anything isn't packaged, for what it's worth. But I'll include the obvious stuff.
< 1289951537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I will pastebin the list :P
< 1289951553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Firefox, for instance (note: it won't be called Firefox because Mozilla are jerks :P)
< 1289951554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, here: http://sprunge.us/PiCK
< 1289951572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, I could just refrain from making ANY MODIFICATION AT ALL, but I'd also be distributing not-really-Free software if I did that.
< 1289951573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, package is called firefox here, but browser is called namoroka
< 1289951583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'll just call it Iceweasel, since everyone else does. Probably.
< 1289951595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, here it uses the code name for it
< 1289951601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Namoroka will change by the next Firefox, which is vaguely irritating.
< 1289951609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed
< 1289951611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Man, you have aalib installed.
< 1289951613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you manage that?
< 1289951621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh. I have no clue
< 1289951623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks
< 1289951634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Required By    : gstreamer0.10-good-plugins  mplayer
< 1289951638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1289951644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, mplayer. :)
< 1289951645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, note that that installed package count is inflated; for instance, you won't need libraries most of the time, due to static linking.
< 1289951647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, somewhat crazy packaging perhaps
< 1289951654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Of course the "libfoo" packages will include the libraries for development.
< 1289951660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they do on arch
< 1289951663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I presume so
< 1289951669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What does on Arch?
< 1289951675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Need the libraries?
< 1289951688 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, libfoo includes what is needed to compile stuff against them
< 1289951688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but static linking. You don't *need* libfoo.a at any point other than linking, see?
< 1289951693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed.
< 1289951696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway you can't do completely static
< 1289951698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff will break
< 1289951698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But you won't see a runtime dependency on libfoo.
< 1289951703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, everything loading plugins will
< 1289951714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I will probably include a dynamic linker for such programs.
< 1289951717 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1289951727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, openoffice can't be linked statically
< 1289951733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The stali people are working on a "dynamic linker" that actually injects the libfoo.a; I might use that when it gets working.
< 1289951750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OpenOffice isn't really supported :P But sure, it's not "hard" to include a dynamic linker if you really need it.
< 1289951757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also what if there is an urgent security fix in glibc. Have fun recompiling everything. (Never mind that you would have to anyway due to glibc stupidity)
< 1289951766 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I heard that Debian users have collaborated on designing a stimulated universe in which pleasure is more intense and suffering doesn't exist.
< 1289951767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other libraries aren't as stupid)
< 1289951774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Firstly, see your parenthical remark. Secondly, I don't use glibc.
< 1289951789 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if libpng needs security updates: everything linked against it would be recompiled
< 1289951790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1289951802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, but it's not that big of a deal.
< 1289951814 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads Kubuntu
< 1289951816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can easily automate that. And I'll probably offer binary diffs for packages.
< 1289951819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, might be for stuff like zlib which half the system links against
< 1289951844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, getting the update out would take a while. Unless you get a compile farm
< 1289951860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I also use pcc.
< 1289951865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fun fact: pcc compiles things really quickly.
< 1289951874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and how is runtime performance?
< 1289951878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, compared to clang and to gcc
< 1289951883 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite wonderful, sir.
< 1289951890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pcc is good at optimisation. Not mega-clang-optimisation, but it's good.
< 1289951905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Competitive with gcc -O2, I'd say. But I'm going to compile the system with -Os, because it tends to be faster than any other kind of optimisation.
< 1289951912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshc: Have you written our generic pluggable-rendering version of WebKit and text-based browser yet?
< 1289951918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pcc isn't some newcomer, remember; it's been developed from 1970 onwards. :P
< 1289951938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, stuff that can't be done with pcc will be done with clang or gcc. gcc will definitely be a package.
< 1289951939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, might want to do libc.a or such with clang then. And possibly stuff like compression libraries. (zlib and such).
< 1289951945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's been developed from 1970 to ~1990, then 2009ish onwards :P
< 1289951950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, yes.
< 1289951965 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would obviously prefer to install from repos where possible, but what's so terrible about not doing so in the case of VirtualBox?
< 1289951965 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes!  However I formatted my harddrive.
< 1289951967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: libc is going to be either dietlibc if things will work with it, or uClibc.
< 1289951975 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it a general "You should be installing from repos" thing?
< 1289951977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, having a fast strlen would be quite nice and so on :P
< 1289951980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uClibc must be built with gcc. But I got dietlibc compiling with pcc with just a few patches.
< 1289951995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think dietlibc has an assembly strlen. I forget.