< 1288742411 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unix* software begins to mature. everything else just keeps on growing < 1288742432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And PCC's one of the most UNIX programs out there. < 1288742436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ...pcc is a unix program < 1288742445 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... :p < 1288742454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was written for AT&T UNIX! < 1288742455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: It was developed at Bell Labs on Unix in the 70s, the heyday of Unix. < 1288742462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shipped with the original BSD. < 1288742469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only got replaced with gcc in BSD in 1994. < 1288742481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was unmaintained for a while but now it's been picked up again and ported to modern systems, and it's quite C99 compliant too. < 1288742496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also packaged in NetBSD core (not pkgsrc) and OpenBSD. < 1288742500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it can built OpenBSD's kernel. < 1288742530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it tastes like butterflies. < 1288742580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So, you pretty much support Debian in everything they do right? < 1288742598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much. Not always. X-P < 1288742607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So I take it you use GNOME :) < 1288742615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XFCE < 1288742623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN SUPPORTED IN THE INSTALLER < 1288742628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, for a distro like Debian, having a default is almost meaningless :P < 1288742646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say I blame Gregor. They are probably the least terrible binary distro out there for general use. < 1288742664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is they? < 1288742717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian. < 1288742803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NO KITTEN < 1288742807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is no kitten :( ) < 1288742895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only Zuul. < 1288742921 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, Indiana senate went red. Wooooh. < 1288742975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HA HA < 1288742980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's hoping that doesn't become a trend. < 1288742993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't need another economic crash. < 1288743040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Indiana barely went blue last time. < 1288743065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEXAS WENT BLUE < 1288743072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: This will never, ever happen) < 1288743084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the fancy map colourers do if a third party won? < 1288743095 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kentucky stayed red (SHOCK!) < 1288743098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And California went.... ... um ... Orange!" < 1288743106 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Usu. yellow or green. < 1288743120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Usually? Does it happen often? :P < 1288743143 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There are two "independent" senators and a few independent or third-party representatives. < 1288743189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What if EVERY STATE TURNED A DIFFERENT INDEPENDENT COLOUR < 1288743201 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Independent" != "third-party" < 1288743205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe we'd develop a parliament. < 1288743209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1288743222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nth-party < 1288743232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I mean < 1288743253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Independent isn't a party. Independent is not-registered-as-any-party. < 1288743261 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third parties never win in the senate :P < 1288743281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Independents are just democrats or republicans minus the title :P < 1288743425 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH BOY, according to the Guardian, Kentucky went republican->tea party! < 1288743431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW WE'RE REALLY MAKING PROGRESS < 1288743483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: With 4% of the vote counted. < 1288743495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeahyeahyeah :P < 1288743555 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of esoteric things, what's the most esoteric channel you're on, on 'Node? < 1288743564 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll vote in the primaries next time < 1288743572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to support someone who has a chance of winning < 1288743589 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* F U Howard Kudler *cough* < 1288743611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 4% of the vote counted and the Democrat has a 10% lead. < 1288743629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm trusting Guardian :P < 1288743646 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. Kudler couldn't find an editor, could he? < 1288743659 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your Congressman fails to keep the economy strong, sides with the big banks, and foreign energy companies, and fails vote for programs to bring businesses, jobs and employment to Nassau and Suffolk Counties. The FIRE him! " < 1288743667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Speaking of esoteric things, what's the most esoteric channel you're on, on 'Node? < 1288743671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm... #esoteric < 1288743684 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does our current Congressman vote for the interests of People of Long Island, Or are his actions guided by his party and his own personal interest in America " < 1288743687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And vote for the guy who will do all that ONLY MORE. < 1288743695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Trusting the Guardian's first story -- EXCELLENT IDEA < 1288743695 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go with ##0x50000000 < 1288743705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right now I'm more raging at the .. lack of a copyeditor < 1288743706 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the most esoteric channel I'm on. < 1288743735 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? In terms of 'Node's 'purpose', mine is either #cooking or #gaygeeks < 1288743764 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of those should be ## channels :P < 1288743766 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've mentioned this language before, I could summarize it as an imperative language with modules and a type system that is not as raped as C's < 1288743776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, that M++ thing < 1288743779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No? < 1288743788 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They are < 1288743790 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the successor of that thing < 1288743795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1288743807 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1288743855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: Neither appear to be. < 1288743916 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got redirects < 1288744040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Both of those should be ## channels :P < 1288744041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So should #esoteric < 1288744052 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288744076 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this is the official channel for the esoteric programming language Esoteric < 1288744077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not so. This is the official channel of the esolangs.org wiki. < 1288744078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :P < 1288744089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which doesn't own esoteric :P < 1288744102 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is Zuul? I heard it in a song and never found it. < 1288744106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: KAJ ĈU VI HAVAS PUNKTON? < 1288744116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ... You must watch Ghostbusters. Nao. < 1288744118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Ghostbuster < 1288744118 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: one of these days I might write something about the new thing... < 1288744119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1288744126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Thing some thing about thing thing. < 1288744196 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new thing is called m3: m stands for module, I think, and 3 because I believe it's the third attempt at making something of this vague idea < 1288744210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Modula-3 hates your guts :P < 1288744228 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I suspect it's taken a hundred times over already < 1288744228 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288744263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Modula-3 is hardly some random name-taker :) < 1288744273 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't use jonguilexiphonaugh for this project either, that name should have an esolang < 1288744328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Gregor knows something insane about me < 1288744339 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, that I haven't said here, I mean < 1288744349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I was about to say... < 1288744461 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Official tech support channel for Esoteric | Homepage: http://esoteric.sourceforge.net/ | Spec: http://esoteric.sourceforge.net/esoteric_spec.pdf | Repository (Mercurial): http://bitbucket.org/esoteric/stable | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288744503 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@75-174-219-194.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288744525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor, Hermetic Brotherhood of Light, Rosicrucianism, magick, gnosticism etc. | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288744554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never before has a topic been such a pack of lies :P < 1288744592 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem too far off to me < 1288744593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So, Gregor knows something insane about me < 1288744593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Um, that I haven't said here, I mean < 1288744595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS IT GREGOR TELL US < 1288744618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is a serial rapist. < 1288744631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^not it and not true < 1288744634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knew it. < 1288744638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Don't lie. < 1288744652 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: this being the support channel for serial rapists, isn't everyone? < 1288744656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Sgeo thinks that people will think the idea of him being a serial rapist is plausible enough that he has to deny it :) < 1288744734 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I misspoke. < 1288744736 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a CEREAL rapist. < 1288744737 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine time to pop in < 1288744785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sasha: It's okay, we're just talking about rape. < 1288744860 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1288744871 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never participated in usch activities < 1288744874 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such* < 1288744905 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never participated in talking? < 1288744907 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about time you start talking then :) < 1288744921 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was better at multitasking, so I could simultaneously code, listen to your banal talk, and do my homework too < 1288744938 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my screen is too small, or something < 1288744990 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cloning is far away < 1288745087 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideas? < 1288745208 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skip homework :) if you stick to just coding and "listen"ing to our banal talk should be within your capacity, shouldn't it? < 1288745308 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1288745329 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288745357 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1288745418 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems that the more tired I am, the harder it is for me to go to bed in time < 1288745468 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess self-control deteriorates more quickly than I grow physically tired or something like that < 1288745491 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately I could skip your banal talk and do the homework and code < 1288745507 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: probably your sleep schedule doesn't match what your body thinks it should be < 1288745520 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it doesn't < 1288745557 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? eliminate all those activities with strict times < 1288745650 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I want to get to work before lunch so that I can have lunch < 1288745680 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? on weekends I never get up before ~1 pm < 1288745728 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is not a weekend, nor is tomorrow < 1288745765 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... sleep is more productive than working < 1288745918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight; bye. < 1288745919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288745927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rand Paul won < 1288745930 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye - have fun with distro < 1288746006 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: any relation (at all) to Ayn Rand? < 1288746155 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1288746159 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288746179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I think Rand is libertarian, so philisophically, I think < 1288746208 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :-) < 1288747008 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288747552 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1288750527 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1288750720 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far this map is lookin' awfully red. < 1288750847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Election Alert: Fox News Projects GOP Wins Control of House :P < 1288751036 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my vote for that K guy wasn't too helpful < 1288751045 0 :MALDEK!~MALDEK@d090087.adsl.hansenet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1288751086 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1288751119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MALDEK, who are you? Are you a regular here? < 1288751187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The GOP is projected by most everyone to be red. < 1288751201 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................... < 1288751202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But it looks like the Dems will have a narrow majority in the Senate. < 1288751212 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: The GOP is projected by most everyone to be red. < 1288751214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ... HOUSE. NOT GOP, < 1288751223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Reread that like a billion times :P < 1288751238 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo....non reg < 1288751246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But anyways. Deadlock! < 1288751276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :House is useless and the senate has deadlocked enough as-is X-P < 1288751317 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo....btw...who are you? < 1288751320 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MALDEK, to give you the quick rundown: This is obstentially about computer science topics, not magic topics < 1288751329 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am Sgeo. < 1288751345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're likely to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate rules. < 1288751380 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo...yes....thanx for the hint....let me see what happens...lol < 1288751380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constantly humbled by the sheer intellect displayed in this channel. < 1288751399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See what happens...? < 1288751441 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That'd be nice, but we'll see :P < 1288751455 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo...yes....i regard the screen at the moment as a nice random generator....i like th eglance at those systems while relaxing < 1288751496 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, politics, the first of three levels of "higher" flamewars. < 1288751509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Revising the rules of order at the beginning of a session requires a simple majority. < 1288751520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me that MALDEK is real. No one else is responding to em. < 1288751532 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not hallucinating you, am I MALDEK? < 1288751536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The M-DALEK is real. < 1288751570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Erm, not session. Term. < 1288751578 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bloody nonsense :P < 1288751582 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo...what is the qualification of a valid answer? < 1288751631 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be a case of split personlity? < 1288751649 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your alter ego is logged in the terminal < 1288751655 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1288751735 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points at MALDEK and shouts at pikhq and Gregor. "Can't you see em?!"
< 1288751755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ç„¡ < 1288751761 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo....ü? < 1288751779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Who? < 1288751787 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat's notification thing displayed the character correctly, XChat did not < 1288751828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e'kusutiȳa'to warui nã. < 1288751917 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1288751939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1288752175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. The governor race here is a race between the Democrats and the American Constitution party. < 1288752318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :American Constitution party? < 1288752336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1288752345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a Constitution party, it seems rather Christian < 1288752373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Republicans in that race are just hoping to not be a write-in next time. < 1288752492 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Constitution is a joke. < 1288752505 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1288752507 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1288752511 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just stick with that, actually. < 1288752520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Read: Constitution PARTY :P ) < 1288752610 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288752691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They literally have no concept of the meaning of religious freedom < 1288752735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, here's an esoproblem: an online game (Kingdom of Loathing) added a macro language, but it had a crazy bug, and I'm trying to figure out what was going on < 1288752809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sub f while !times 2 use spices endwhile endsub while !times 4 call f endwhile", "while !times 2 while !times 2 use spices endwhile endwhile", "while !times 2 while !times 4 use spices endwhile endwhile", "while !times 4 while !times 2 use spices endwhile endwhile" use spices 4, 3, 19, 5 times respectively < 1288752818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to figure out the semantics of this and make it an esoprogram < 1288752823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esolang < 1288752850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, they fixed the bug, so no further experimentation is possible < 1288753332 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you able to talk to anyone else who experienced it? < 1288753379 0 :Grizly!~Grizly@host109-153-15-178.range109-153.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288753407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Grizly < 1288753467 0 :Grizly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1288753812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, that's all the info I have to go on < 1288753826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm really interested in what the semantics of the bug were < 1288753832 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you ask the devs? < 1288753855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not this long after the event, this was back in April < 1288753868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it's a fun programming problem to think of a plausible bug that would make /that/ happen < 1288753971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, aww < 1288753985 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask them to generate more examples! < 1288753993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely they use version control < 1288754060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's an MMO < 1288754065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't roll back to a previous version... < 1288754072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in theory you could, but everyone would go mad < 1288754086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well compartmentalized is the code? < 1288754152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's an MMO, the source code to the interp for that isn't public < 1288754173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't know if there's a chance < 1288754197 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288754374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pretty likely that the interp for the above language was deterministic, though < 1288754443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is a sequence that begins 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 < 1288754447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the next number is 42 < 1288754460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess we could guess what sort of bugs are likely < 1288754525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the second and fourth examples show a sort of pattern < 1288754727 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching three maps: Guardian, CBS and FOX. < 1288754734 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To cover the whole spectrum :P ) < 1288754741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOX's is currently the bluest (huh?) < 1288754771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Colorado and Pennsylvania for the Democrats, which the others haven't. < 1288755219 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288756080 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288756258 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288756282 0 :Grizly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1288756594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I strongly hope Colorado is blue. < 1288756605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Ken Buck is *positively crazy*. < 1288756619 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If FOX has already called it for the dems, I'm thinkin' it goes blue :P < 1288756632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very close race. < 1288756647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaah* I see what's happening. < 1288756652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Republican vote is split. < 1288756690 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, none of my sites make it look all that close :P < 1288756932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, now maybe both parties will be on board with changing how voting works < 1288756962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since here the suckiness hurts the Republican-like parties, and in the past, it hurt Democrat-like parties < 1288756966 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1288756988 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tune in next election cycle for more "Wishful Thinking" with Sgeo Comet. < 1288757107 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third parties have always hurt both parties, but nobody's willing to change to a system that would potentially allow any other party to win. < 1288757132 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now we have two centrist parties, both of which are mind-bogglingly terrible in their own ways :P < 1288757155 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had something like runoff voting (and people understood it), there would be a potential for other parties to win. < 1288757169 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we'd have actual political heterogeneity. < 1288757174 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd break EVERYTHING. < 1288757294 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those other parties would be at least sometimes allied with the main parties < 1288757311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, vote splitting wouldn't affect primarily one party < 1288757368 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, if the Tea Party sticks around, the Republicans will see it as advantageous to have a separate Tea Party coexisting with them < 1288757377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoid O'Donnell situations in the future < 1288757403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then O'Donnel could run concurrently with the hypothetical sane GOP candidate < 1288757425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah, I'm actually rooting for Republicans to push for something that would have helped Republicans? < 1288758538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh fuck. So, the House can do subpoenas. Meaning that the Republicans willl enact a witchhunt. < 1288758559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, that will really hurt elections in 2 years. < 1288758580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Republicans were nuts, just like they claimed to be. Don't vote for the fuckers again." < 1288758584 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subpoenas of who for what? < 1288758602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Entire Obama administration, to be annoying. < 1288758775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Remember, these are the bastards who impeached Clinton for failure to keep it in his pants. < 1288758811 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288758919 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it supposedly about lying about keeping it in his pans? < 1288758921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pants < 1288758939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, whether he kept it in his pants or not should never have come up for discussion in the first place < 1288762529 0 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.rh.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1288762664 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all. < 1288762768 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently in an era when sit-com married couples slept in separate beds, Rocky and Bullwinkle slept together. < 1288763260 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Further evidence that furries have been around forever. < 1288763277 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get it? "Fur"ther? < 1288763284 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furever. < 1288763286 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1288763290 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp. < 1288763354 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this show also has Dudley Do-Right, with Nell in love with Dudley's horse :P < 1288763359 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I can't say much :P < 1288763502 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Exactly. They're everywhere. < 1288763511 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's necessarily so bad. I mean, the vast majority of furries are just people who like to draw or write. < 1288763538 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we probably wouldn't have any of the classic animated films that we do today if it weren't for anthropomorphic animal characters. < 1288763633 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1288763977 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288764047 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288764360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THE PRO-RAPE CANDIDATE WINNING. < 1288764362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY GOD WHY. < 1288764535 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..........??? < 1288764567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ken Buck. < 1288765097 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288765804 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Never trust anyone whose name matches /en B.ck/. < 1288765830 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me, /en+ B.ck/. < 1288766260 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288766518 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1288766960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the US needs conquering. < 1288766978 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By who? Everybody's just as fucked-up, we're just louder about it :P < 1288766979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Norway feel about conquest? < 1288767227 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let me know in advance so I can mosey on over to Canada before it hits the fan. < 1288767274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Perhaps Canada should conquer. Though they'd be too polite about it. < 1288767284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Could we please take over, eh?" < 1288767292 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not the Québécois. < 1288767302 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd be just as impolite as they pleased. < 1288767326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but they're trying hard to be a seperate country. < 1288767399 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy, if Canada took over, everything would end up written in English, French and Spanish. < 1288767403 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Every once in a while it gets farther than it ought to, and Canada says "you can be a country when you take your share of the national debt". < 1288767438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Isn't it already? < 1288767458 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No it isn't :P < 1288767467 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in AMERICA we speak AMERICAN (English) X-P < 1288767492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fairly common to add French so they can distribute to Canada easily, and Spanish for the sake of Hispanics... < 1288767696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like no marijuana for California! < 1288767696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA! < 1288767846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dealers will be very happy about that. < 1288768131 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION appeals to the horribly-obvious slippery-slope argument:
< 1288768137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dealers of cocaine, on the other hand, won't be. < 1288769983 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This came up last night: what's your accent like? < 1288769996 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You too, if you weren't around. < 1288770004 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't remember right now. :P < 1288771199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1288771200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1288771251 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288771270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288773783 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1288774360 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288774899 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288775081 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288776668 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Laaame. < 1288777089 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Oklahoma_"Sharia_Law_Amendment",_State_Question_755_(2010) < 1288777092 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HELL < 1288782561 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288783135 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288785649 0 :MALDEK!~MALDEK@d090087.adsl.hansenet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1288785997 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoon < 1288787196 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Q: What do you call 15 blondes in a circle? A: A dope ring. Q: Why do blondes put their hair in ponytails? A: To cover up the valve stem. < 1288787319 0 :MALDEK!~MALDEK@d090087.adsl.hansenet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1288787344 0 :MALDEK!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288787635 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1288788106 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288788140 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288788291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1288788375 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1288788487 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1288788607 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1288788667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netsplit? < 1288789627 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288793719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Vorpal has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) < 1288793722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to say. < 1288793736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1288793749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly just a single-server glitch that didn't actually cause it to splat. < 1288793759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM split? < 1288793775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think splat's funnier. < 1288793840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble grumble Rademacher complexity. < 1288793892 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, rademacher? < 1288793941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is or how it works, but I'm supposed to present this machine learning paper in tomorrow's seminar course thing, and they waste half of their pages in a theoretical analysis of the Rademacher complexity of their method, so it must be something important. < 1288794023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some sort of "here's a class of functions, how complicated they are" measure; they're using it to show that the class of functions their optimization thingie can find is less complex than some alternatives, so their thing should generalize better. < 1288794054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, interesting < 1288794208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition goes \hat{R}_\ell(\mathcal{F}} = \mathbb{E}_\sigma \left[ \sup_{f \in \mathcal{F}} \left| \frac{2}{\ell} \sum_{i=1}^\ell \sigma_i f(\vec{x}_i) \right| \middle| \vec{x}_1, \dots, \vec{x}_\ell \right] < 1288794221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would probably be more readable with a TeX-supporting IRC client. < 1288794247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also at least one typo: the } after \mathcal{F} should be a ). < 1288794292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that thing actually works. < 1288794298 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=tx&chl=\hat{R}_\ell%28\mathcal{F}%29%20=%20\mathbb{E}_\sigma%20\left[%20\sup_{f%20\in%20\mathcal{F}}%20\left|%20\frac{2}{\ell}%20\sum_{i=1}^\ell%20\sigma_i%20f%28\vec{x}_i%29%20\right|%20\middle|%20\vec{x}_1,%20\dots,%20\vec{x}_\ell%20\right] < 1288794307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a pretty link, but it does what it should. < 1288794342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've probably stripped out the spaces, though. < 1288794419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=tx&chl=\hat{R}_\ell%28\mathcal{F}%29=\mathbb{E}_\sigma\left[\sup_{f\in\mathcal{F}}\left|\frac{2}{\ell}\sum_{i=1}^\ell\sigma_if%28\vec{x}_i%29\right|\middle|\vec{x}_1,\dots,\vec{x}_\ell\right] < 1288794425 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288794433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that shorter. Well, that's what URL-shorteners are for. < 1288794491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and instead of \vec{} it should optimally be something that does \mathbb{} instead of the silly over-arrow. Oh well. < 1288796052 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288797161 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1288797161 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1288798351 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288798439 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288798439 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@75-174-219-194.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288798941 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.188.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288798942 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288799356 0 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288799402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1288799412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1288799443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I hate it when people do that to the topic < 1288799453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, we actually officially changed mission. < 1288799467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing voodoo right now! < 1288799469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a little implausible < 1288799475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I expect it'd cause most of the channel to /part when they found out < 1288799482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you feel the voodoo doll stabs, ais523??? < 1288799490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was ready :( < 1288799497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I am lying through my teeth) < 1288799505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually not through my teeth at all, I'm just lying. < 1288799517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Not the logs unless they are: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288799548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I need to wind down a bit < 1288799558 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just helped someone with C++ stuff < 1288799562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had around 5 hours sleep this morning, and this afternoon by mitsake < 1288799563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mistake < 1288799568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You should listen to me talk about my efforts to create a simple term rewriting tarpit! < 1288799572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Possibly not actually interesting) < 1288799578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Self-interpreting, specifically. < 1288799587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed to hit him in the head with "Don't assume the contents of the data file. The program should only know the structure" < 1288799592 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's in the programming track < 1288799593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I weep < 1288799598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't worry, do the typical thing where the author of the lang monologues and other people maybe read them later < 1288799609 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm overreacting < 1288799612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's bad enough just seeing the other /teachers/ on my C course < 1288799618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I already did that (well, with the implementation) and nobody's polite enough to pretend to be interested :) < 1288799620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone some of the students < 1288799633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I might logread it, then < 1288799652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, I've been really lax with the logreading over the past couple of years < 1288799657 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of liked xkcd < 1288799658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It doesn't actually give any indicator as to what the language is like. < 1288799664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the implementation, really, I just ranted about all my bugs :) < 1288799672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't that funny, but it was cute < 1288799676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, logreading is hardly a duty :) < 1288799699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wow, possibly worst xkcd yet < 1288799705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, not worst xkcd yet. but -- close ... < 1288799721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a new video codec because all the existing ones suck, at least for encoding certain sorts of video < 1288799750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really have time < 1288799780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Good luck doing better than H.264 :P (Yeah, I know, you've said, but still.) < 1288799813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H.264 can't even encode a black square on a white background properly if its dimensions aren't multiples of 16 < 1288799829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prop 19 failed? Lovely. < 1288799835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOKS LIKE REDDIT ISN'T ALL-POWERFUL < 1288799848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523_ < 1288799855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes it can < 1288799862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: try x264 with quantisation set to 0 < 1288799864 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288799876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Active Worlds: Upgrading one update at a time, and repeatedly bugging me, is absolute fun on a bun < 1288799880 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, how does that differ from being uncompressed? < 1288799888 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't referring to quantisation, but to DCT artifacts < 1288799903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it still does all the other interesting things; it ends up being a very high quality (we're talking insane compression) lossless codec < 1288799931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: pikhq encoded a detailed 10-minute 3D short in 1080p losslessly and it was very small. < 1288799936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only a few gigs; I forget the exact amount. < 1288799939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq knows :P < 1288799970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was 5 gigs. < 1288799988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: And it still does DCT, as far as I know. < 1288799996 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288800001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Quantisation is where the loss is. < 1288800012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The discrete cosine transform *itself* is lossless. < 1288800015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Basically, H.264 is not *designed* to encode pixel-accurately; no lossy codec is! < 1288800049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shall get coffee and then go to class
< 1288800072 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed; it's just the sort of artifacts it creates are really visible in certain circumstances, as opposed to, say, mp3's < 1288800090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you clearly haven't seen the pathological mp3 testcases < 1288800095 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty much designed on the basis of trying to cause artifacts that human hearing can't detect < 1288800102 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not surprised there are pathological cases < 1288800108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: turns out the eye is a lot more sensitive than the ear! < 1288800113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, you may want to try some of x264's presets. preset=slow tune=animation gets wonderful results on animation. < 1288800115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What surprise! < 1288800119 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how mp3 handles, say, a pulsetrain < 1288800122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it isn't ais523 doing the encoding < 1288800125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's insane encoding freaks < 1288800221 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pulsetrains have pretty close to pathological behaviour, as sound goes; I suppose a pulsetrain with random delays would be even worse) < 1288800310 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288800322 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288800352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pulseplanes < 1288801071 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Alaska had more write-ins than votes for either party-line candidate. < 1288801086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They haven't tallied who the write-ins are for yet, though (apparently) < 1288801116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:53:29 "sub f while !times 2 use spices endwhile endsub while !times 4 call f endwhile", "while !times 2 while !times 2 use spices endwhile endwhile", "while !times 2 while !times 4 use spices endwhile endwhile", "while !times 4 while !times 2 use spices endwhile endwhile" use spices 4, 3, 19, 5 times respectively < 1288801117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god what < 1288801125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sarah Palin < 1288801130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please, god, let it be Sarah Palin. < 1288801193 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's basically Republican-vs-Tea-Party. < 1288801199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sweeeet < 1288801200 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tea Party has 34% and the Republican ticket. < 1288801213 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :41% is write-ins, and the Republican was running a write-in campaign. < 1288801216 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So she MAY have won. < 1288801226 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we don't know yet. < 1288801240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Upside: No longer controlled by two parties < 1288801247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Downside: Controlled by two parties and the Tea Party < 1288801262 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOX has called Colorado blue, then red, then blue; they really can't make up their damned minds :P < 1288801291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Let's... let's just go with red." < 1288801292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nobody else has called Colorado anything yet) < 1288801448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "America's asshole" < 1288801450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST DID < 1288802801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, I didn't realise -- Google made a Japanese font. < 1288802884 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dear god what <--- we really need oklopol or someone to help with this < 1288802893 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the second and fourth examples follow an obvious pattern < 1288802911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oklopol has outgrown computers < 1288802922 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even possible? < 1288802930 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, someone else with the same atitude, then < 1288802951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes, he hasn't programmed in like a year or two afaik, and he only does math now, even when he comes in here :) < 1288803065 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. < 1288803288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL programs are arranged like companies < 1288803291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they make sense to accountants < 1288803310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, I just realised that < 1288803314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're arranged like companies) < 1288803323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU GRAVE HOPPER < 1288803343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GRACE < 1288803362 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Last oerjan sighting: Oh apparently we forgot about 'im | Not the logs unless they are: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288803391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone want to email oerjan?... < 1288803394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to worry. < 1288803394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you assuming oerjan is male? < 1288803400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We've seen pictures? < 1288803405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one picture. < 1288803410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, oerjan has said /me [...]he[...] before. < 1288803412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: someone assumed Gregor was female on that basis... < 1288803420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, oerjan has said /me [...]he[...] before. < 1288803424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, said picture was very much male :P < 1288803434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was the picture of Gregor! < 1288803437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly Mike Riley was also very obviously a he but I *doubt* we're dealing with that here. < 1288803438 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of my pictures are ambiguous :P < 1288803445 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless hair length is your only determiner for sex. < 1288803447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, haven't you done /me [...]she[...] before? < 1288803455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As alise, yes, but that was to deliberately confuse people. < 1288803471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have elevated hate of gendered pronouns to a superstitious level... < 1288803487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Everyone thinks I'm female :P < 1288803488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really hate them, but they make me feel awkward < 1288803491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally everyone. < 1288803504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you know 'im is male? < 1288803505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you? < 1288803512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? Yes. < 1288803522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, elliott believes herself female < 1288803528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tragic state of affairs, being agreed with by everyone < 1288803532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288803538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your male, mainly to make your "everyone" generalization wrong. < 1288803549 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has a male? < 1288803550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your wrong. < 1288803622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone still actually uses Slackware :) *troll* < 1288803731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wrong? Not your wrong? < 1288803754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think your male, mainly to make your "everyone" generalization wrong. < 1288803758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your wrong. < 1288803776 0 :cheater!~damian@93.190.71.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288803779 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Gregor was literally thinking about elliott's male < 1288803780 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... touche :P < 1288803811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's is cleverer < 1288803818 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288803822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My male is the cleverest wrong. < 1288803829 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1288803955 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bow ... chicka ... bow ... wow? < 1288803976 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288804064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ce98cba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.233.140.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288804086 0 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288804090 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288804094 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK., < 1288804108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer has completely ceased to function. < 1288804200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it boots to the login screen, then the mouse and keyboard have no effect whatsoever. < 1288804223 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The virtual terminals are inaccessible, although alt-sysrq still works. < 1288804280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BUY A MAC < 1288804300 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what I'm on right now, but that's irrelevant. < 1288804401 0 :sftp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288804412 0 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288804764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You know the best thing about reinstalling Debian?? YOU GET TO INSTALL DEBIAN! < 1288805186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus, some Debian packages are rather out of date... < 1288805195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some *sid* packsges. < 1288805201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*packages. < 1288805295 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288805809 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288806245 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288806509 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288806739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1288807004 0 :sftp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288807152 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288807229 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288808545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ce9ae75@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288808564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: it was my own damn fault. < 1288808633 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288808639 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288808827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What did you do wrong? < 1288808905 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suspect I screwed up the fstab, but that doesn't explain *everything*. < 1288808913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the weird splash art. < 1288809005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is also worth noting that $HOME was totally empty for me upon booting) < 1288809034 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, might as well reboot now. < 1288809040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1288809197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html I propose we adopt this time system. < 1288809205 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288809209 0 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288809267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was better when I thought "person" was someone's nick, though. < 1288809314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ce9ae75@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288809317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New plan! < 1288809328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reinstall Ubuntu, then replace it with something that doesn't hate me! < 1288809341 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the second part is still hypothetical! < 1288809341 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288809350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just install Debian. < 1288809375 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I need a running OS on my hard drive before I start trying that stuff. < 1288809407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, s/need/want/ < 1288809438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A broken OS is the ideal place to install something else :P < 1288809455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, but not when you can only use sysrq. < 1288809466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can burn a CD from that Mac... < 1288809467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer it if it was only half-broken. < 1288809494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ANYWAY < 1288809566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, I need to DO THINGS, so it'll have to wait for a couple of hours in any case. < 1288809578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288809908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As for memory, glibc 2 has more stuff than libc 5. It has to bigger libc 5. I don't call it libc 6 if it is smaller than libc 5." -- H. J. Lu < 1288809909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1288809917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOFTWARE IS NOT ALLOWED TO GET SMALLER < 1288810499 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288810503 0 :sftp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1288810818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You don't really see a 'boogie down' button in an elevator very often." < 1288811398 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oklahoma wins 'dumbest ballot initiative' < 1288811803 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288811844 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288811902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...what xD < 1288811929 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there needs to be a < 1288811932 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double down < 1288811932 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :button < 1288812053 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288812382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhkxDIr0y2U THIS FOREVER AND BEYOND < 1288812806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a primary reason with C code being hard to get right is that you often end up doing accesses like pointer + index in loops. Getting linked lists or trees right in C is almost trivial. Sure not as easy as a real high level language (you still have to be careful with NULL and invalid pointers). < 1288812807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahaha < 1288812821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dudley Do-Right, "Coming Out Party" < 1288812831 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 outdated English :P < 1288812915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1288814460 0 :iGO!iGO@78.130.4.142.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1288814645 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288814681 0 :iGO!iGO@78.130.4.142.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1288815138 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288815183 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1288815350 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1288815540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://release.debian.org/migration/oldest.html -- the forgotten packages. < 1288815670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/iso-cd/ Debian: It's 31 motherfucking CDs. < 1288816141 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1288817559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian reinstall time ahoy. < 1288817596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288819867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my printer went mad. It can print any single page just fine. Printing two the second page look like MISSINGNO < 1288819889 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can print this pdf by selecting to print one page at a time < 1288819908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing happens from a text editor, so it isn't just pdf viewer going insane < 1288819915 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be cups going insane I guess < 1288820021 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're trying to print in *linux*? < 1288820043 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use netcat of ot < 1288820048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it has worked for *years* < 1288820051 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a network printer, or cat if it's local < 1288820054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's a HP printer < 1288820057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb < 1288820062 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after converting to plain ps < 1288820064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked perfectly under linux < 1288820071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got it to work well under windows < 1288820077 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, I refuse to believe it < 1288820114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, HP printers are well supported under linux. Unlike most other printers. Kind of like how Intel is well supported when it comes to GPUs < 1288820345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ska ha en "datortenta" imorgon. < 1288820350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :udda format < 1288820357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(för tentor vill säga) < 1288820368 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en sån där du sitter vid dator och kodar eller? < 1288820378 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, just det < 1288820422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, reglerna är ganska vaga: "förutom kursliteraturen får man ha med sig egna anteckningar" mhm... *hehe* < 1288820453 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :är perfekt för kodkurser iaf < 1288820472 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, om jag bara får skrivaren att fungera kommer jag att ha med en utskrift av en implementation av ett AVL-träd som jag skrev idag.. < 1288820495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :såvitt jag kan se tillåter reglerna det även om det kanske inte var tanken < 1288820511 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :men ... vet inte om det är värt det när man kommer på fortsättningskurserna, då är det mycket bättre om tentan testar koncept utan att man behöver koda < 1288820520 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :så kan man ha labbserie eller projekt där man får koda istället < 1288820537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, jo, men jag läser ju inte på master-nivå än så... < 1288820539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone's postscript printers work well; I guess HP's custom-protocol nonsense works reasonably well too, though. < 1288820557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had CUPS go all confused recently too; "reinstalling" the printer fixed it, though. < 1288820572 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed it does. And actually after powering off and unplugging the printer then waiting a minute or so before plugging it in again it seems to work normally < 1288820585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it's internal state got confused somehow < 1288820596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's an old printer, I'm surprised it lasted this many years < 1288820598 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fix was to turn it off and on again? :) < 1288820614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no. Nothing as simple. < 1288820651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, turning it off *and* unplugging, waiting for what was presumably capacitors to discharge *then* plugging it in again and turning it on < 1288820658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIGHLY technical fix < 1288820749 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288820773 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I can never seem to remember more than 5 minutes which rotation is which and when you use it. And well the course literature is in English, so checking that at the exam would take ages. < 1288820945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever been in an exam which allowed any random notes; there's been some open-book ones where the course literature goes, and some with the official lecture notes too, but none with completely custom material. < 1288821026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm btw looking at the exam papers of previous years this teacher seems to have two discrete levels of imagination when making up "scenarios" for the questions... Those are: "absurd" and "utterly absurd" < 1288821040 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it would definitely be harder to read the book if it was in swedish < 1288821054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you mean because it would be short, concise and so on? < 1288821085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of something you could use for tactical cover in a gunfight < 1288821095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use as* < 1288821099 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a* < 1288821100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1288821107 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, because it would be written in swedish < 1288821122 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-one knows any swedish computer terms < 1288821135 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neither do I, so whatever they make up is just gibberish < 1288821145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, actually I have had some course Swedish litterateur, mostly they mention both terms. < 1288821170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually work fairly well because they are *not* paid per word < 1288821177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the authors that is) < 1288821195 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mostly have to find the right book < 1288821300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some Finnish computer terminology "officially" specified by Kielitoimisto (the help-the-people division of the Research Institute for the Languages of Finland), and some of those are completely ludicrous and/or unknown. < 1288821304 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "introduction to algorithms" one (http://mitpress.mit.edu/algorithms/) is not very good since it's too long < 1288821331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that too. The one on data structures and such I have here in Swedish uses examples in, pseudo-code, ML and java. Not always in a redundant fashion though. Fairly good except one place. Translated to English it would say something like: "Deletion of interior nodes in red-black trees is too complex to fit the scope of this book, and is thus left as an exercise to the reader." < 1288821344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very strange, and doesn't match at all with the rest of the book. < 1288821379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of our machine-learning/information-science/etc. textbooks haven't been so overly verbose as, say, some of the maths textbooks. < 1288821414 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used http://www.amazon.com/Structures-Their-Algorithms-Harry-Lewis/dp/067339736X, I remember it as being concise enough < 1288821414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1288821422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ce9ae75@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288821433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, moth math ones have been in Swedish for me so far < 1288821438 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1288821464 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181137037.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1288821476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, 404 < 1288821477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moth math! < 1288821481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1288821483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn comma < 1288821536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our basic maths course textbooks were in English; Finnish is admittedly a smaller language market, of course. More specialized courses have had some books in Finnish too. (Mostly written by our current/former lecturers.) < 1288821562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, a bit sad that I can't fit a full featured AVL into much less than 150 lines + 20 lines header file < 1288821565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1288821571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not without making it obfuscated that is < 1288821617 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads Sgeo's Wikipedia user page.
< 1288821628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a not-so-bad general-purpose pattern recognition book: http://cgi.di.uoa.gr/~stpatrec/welcome3d.html -- though the Bishop book http://www.amazon.com/Pattern-Recognition-Learning-Information-Statistics/dp/0387310738/ is not bad either, I hear. < 1288821638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look, he has e^(a+bi) and i^i there. < 1288821644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like cargo-cult maths. < 1288821651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's already a Fourth Edition of Theodoridis & Koutroumbas. < 1288821652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm single largest thing is handling walking the tree... due to handling all combinations of {pre,post,in}{left-to-right,right-to-left} < 1288821711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless he actually learnt calculus at some point. < 1288821769 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, must dash. < 1288821774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i^i? what's the point? < 1288821780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1288821817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an irrational real number *shrug* < 1288821853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288822070 0 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.rh.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1288822122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_who_is_no_longer_here: Those two numbers have been there since Oct 2004. < 1288822511 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288822593 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288822653 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onwards and Debianwards! < 1288822734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, fizzie left an important message to you in the logs < 1288822774 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:08:42 Phantom_Hoover_who_is_no_longer_here: Those two numbers have been there since Oct 2004. < 1288822778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some very small values of "important". < 1288822790 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Sgeo was what, 14? < 1288822796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1288822805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, it wouldn't have sounded good if I had said "a message of no actual consequence" < 1288822819 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Good, no, honest, maybe. < 1288822827 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I was pondering why you have e^(a+bi) and i^i on your user page. < 1288822854 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When, by your own account, you're a few limits short of a differential. < 1288822870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought those were interesting < 1288822882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although i^i still confuses me < 1288822892 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, OK, it goes like this: < 1288822912 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, since truth <=> beauty, so follows that beauty <=> truth (since <=> is symmetrical) < 1288822915 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i^i = -1^(½i) < 1288822933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and thus it must be true that it was important < 1288822940 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := e^a < 1288822959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is confusing about i^i? < 1288822961 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a? < 1288822968 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, just a variable. < 1288822992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it had turned out to be, 1 or pi or something I could have understood... < 1288822992 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = ½i ln -1 < 1288823029 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since e^i*pi = -1, ln -1 = i*pi < 1288823047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, indeed. and that is a lot more interesting than plain i^i < 1288823057 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... makes sense < 1288823066 0 :elliott`!5b68f121@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.104.241.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288823073 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence a = ... -pi? Wait, I'm confusing myself. < 1288823077 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian -- the only operating system that ships with two graphical web browsers! < 1288823088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, in the default install? < 1288823090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks way more complicated than just going e^(pi/2*i) = i => i^i = (e^(pi/2*i))^i = e^(i*(pi/2)*i) = e^(-pi/2). < 1288823091 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have Mathematica any more. < 1288823097 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1288823101 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Epiphany and Iceweasel. < 1288823106 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, huh, why < 1288823116 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because GNOME ships with Epiphany and Epiphany sucks, I'd guess :) < 1288823117 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, so we get the same result. < 1288823118 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1288823125 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian's "gnome" package is stock GNOME + Debian extras. < 1288823136 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably Iceweasel is among the extras. < 1288823141 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, exactly, is e^ai defined to be cos a + i sin a? < 1288823142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, they don't have it split in multiple packages? < 1288823152 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Taylor series. < 1288823155 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes they do. < 1288823163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, damn you beat me to it < 1288823189 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explaining that in IRC is an exercise in futility, though. < 1288823205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, taylor series? indeed... < 1288823253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't completely understand how they work myself < 1288823256 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Basically*, e^ix = 1 + ix - x^2/2! - ix^3/3!... < 1288823282 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And shockingly, it even almost works with YouTube out of the box! < 1288823295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, "almost"? < 1288823302 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos x (in radians) = 1 - x^2/2! + x^4/4!... < 1288823306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, I never had problems with youtube-dl ;P < 1288823313 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It loads the UI and everything, it just says "An unknown error has occurred" instead of the video. < 1288823318 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin x = x - x^3/3! + x^5/5!... < 1288823319 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNASH POWER < 1288823323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, the confusing bit is *why* it is so < 1288823327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, haha < 1288823332 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait -- < 1288823336 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An error occurred, please try again later." < 1288823343 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, like in a few years. When Gnash works. < 1288823363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, is it an error message from gnash or from youtube? < 1288823374 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jewtube. < 1288823387 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jewtube.com/ It exists! < 1288823395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, what is that page? < 1288823397 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well, I can't explain that without calculus, which Sgeo doesn't seem to exude confidence in. < 1288823398 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I dare click? < 1288823400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^(i(a+bi)) = e^(ia + ibi) = e^(-b + ai) = cos(a+bi) + i sin (a+bi) = (e^-b)(cos a + i sin a) < 1288823411 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's YouTube for Jews. < 1288823412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, I know the basics. < 1288823432 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What, exactly, do they teach you in US high school? < 1288823445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, personally I always found discrete math way easier than calculus. And less of a hell when it came to exams too. < 1288823446 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get trigonometry at 17 or something? Don't answer that, I imagine the result will be depressing. < 1288823457 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, OK, so d/dx(e^ax) = ae^ax. < 1288823472 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pleasepleaseplease tell me you know the chain rule. < 1288823475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1288823478 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, I doubt they teach Taylor series are in high school though < 1288823486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, even in UK < 1288823489 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they do in Scotland. < 1288823493 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Was that yes to my question or Phantom_Hoover_'s? < 1288823494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, wow < 1288823497 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we did Maclaurin series. < 1288823503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_'s < 1288823505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, hm? < 1288823520 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think Taylor series are in the Sixth Form Further Maths course or whatever. < 1288823522 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, a subset of Taylor series. < 1288823535 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're in AH (final year) maths in Scotland. < 1288823535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, ah, right. Rings a bell now < 1288823550 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think I was too unfocused to recognize the applicability until you mentioned it < 1288823552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1288823580 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maclaurin series are definitely in sixth form further maths. < 1288823581 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just googled. < 1288823593 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Now watch as I try and disable root's password and switch to sudo ENTIRELY FROM WITHIN GNOME < 1288823594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, I see. Not around here though. < 1288823608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, how would that be hard? just open gnome-terminal < 1288823616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, ...ok < 1288823618 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That would end up directly invoking non-GNOME programs :) < 1288823619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1288823628 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just seemed to have stopped talking < 1288823632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, then it probably can't be done < 1288823636 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, this next bit requires quite a lot of algebra. < 1288823681 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O...k? I'm too tired to work anything out, but I can follow along < 1288823729 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm... OK, so we want f(x) = a_0 + a_1x + a_2x^2 + ... for some f. < 1288823765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, to approximate e^x? < 1288823766 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^ax < 1288823789 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the infinite series _is_ f(x) here. < 1288823794 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think I see where you're going with this < 1288823818 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I just added myself to the sudo group using GNOME. < 1288823824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we really need to deal with the a? < 1288823832 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we just look at e^x to simplify our lives? < 1288823836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, why do you hate su btw? < 1288823853 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, well, it's no great difference. < 1288823858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Becaus then a_0 + a_1x + a_2x^2 + ... = a_1 + 2a_2x + ... < 1288823868 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did I ever say I hate su? < 1288823875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, no but you acted like it < 1288823880 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I didn't. < 1288823883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that not the direction we're going? < 1288823888 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hate su; I like sudo more, at least for a desktop. < 1288823893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1288823895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, why is that? < 1288823909 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so f'(x) = a_1 + 2a_2x + 3a_3x^2 + ... < 1288823916 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have almost certainly heard all the arguments and come up with counter-arguments, so what's the point? < 1288823931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, thank you for reminding me why I prefer discrete math. < 1288823955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, personally I don't care about sudo vs. su < 1288823961 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to pretend that descrete math doesn't exist
< 1288823974 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f''(x) = 2a_2x + 3*2a_3x^2 + 4*3a_4x^3 + .. < 1288823999 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If I didn't use sudo, I'd just have root's password be my user password, which is absurd. < 1288824005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, well okay, sudo is somewhat more complex than su, thus potentially prone to more bugs. I do remember seeing the occasional CVE for sudo, but su? not as far as I can remember. < 1288824019 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f'*n(0) = n!a_n < 1288824020 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Now the fun thing the last time I used Debian/GNOME was that PolicyKit's default confiugration really loves su, so it's hard to set it properly. < 1288824027 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where f'*n is the nth derivative) < 1288824029 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1288824029 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, eh I'm not sure I completely agree that is an effect of using su < 1288824033 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for some perhaps < 1288824033 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1288824034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1288824041 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For me, yes. < 1288824043 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sudo is not, as far as I know, significantly more complex than su. < 1288824048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1288824050 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, su is a lot older, so it's likely to be much more mature. < 1288824056 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, you forgot a term in f''(x) < 1288824072 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, right you are. < 1288824100 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, decrease all the exponents there by one. < 1288824113 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, can you understand the f'*n(0) bit? < 1288824135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1288824160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although out of curiosity, is there a strict and formal way to do that? < 1288824164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, su is: check password, start shell. sudo is: read config file, parse it (and it has quite a lot of features, such as only allowing editing of files as a different user and what not), then check if we should keep some env vars, and discard some (as specified in the config), then ask user for own or target password, or none at all (as specified in the config) and so on < 1288824172 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just noticing the pattern and having a strong grasp why it is what it is? < 1288824188 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes, it's simple enough induction, but formalising it is pointless here. < 1288824197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, so yes, I would call it a bit more complex < 1288824198 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a fucking *desktop* < 1288824203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, true < 1288824207 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, a_n = f'*n(0)/n!. < 1288824212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, I have nothing very much against sudo. I use it myself < 1288824214 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"such as only allowing editing of files as a different user and what not" ;; afaik it's actually just command-based < 1288824223 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, I was just wondering why *you* preferred sudo over su < 1288824233 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence f(x) = f(0) + f'(0)x + f''(0)x^2/2! +... < 1288824246 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 'Cuz I like it. < 1288824253 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind = blown < 1288824272 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last formula is the definition of a Maclaurin series, by the way. < 1288824291 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is absolutely amazing and beautiful < 1288824321 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in the case of e^x, f'*n(0) = 1, and f(x) = 1 + x + x^2/2! + x^3/3! + ... < 1288824357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott`, okay... < 1288824382 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be able to see for yourself that the derivatives of e^ix cycle between e^ix, ie^ix, -e^ix and -ie^ix. < 1288824396 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you just multiply by i each time. < 1288824421 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's why we were talking about e^ax < 1288824431 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence f'*n(0) cycles 1, i, -1, i, ... < 1288824439 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-i for that last one. < 1288824443 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:44] That is absolutely amazing and beautiful < 1288824446 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait 'til you see euler's equation < 1288824450 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1288824457 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm getting to... < 1288824501 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the derivatives of sin x cycle along sin x, cos x, -sin x, -cos x, ... < 1288824519 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same for cos x, but with the phase shifted along by one. < 1288824523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of weird that i, pi, e ties so neatly to together when you think about it. < 1288824562 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence f'*n(0) = 0, 1, 0, -1, ... for sin and 1, 0, -1, 0, ... for cos. < 1288824572 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@78.104.80.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288824599 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So sin x = x - x^3/3! + x^5/5! - ... < 1288824626 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cos x = 1 - x^2/2! + x^4/4! - ... < 1288824707 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^ix = 1 + ix + -x^2/2! + -x^3/3! < 1288824708 0 :elliott`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1288824713 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ... ? < 1288824730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1288824736 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, e^ix = (1 - x^2/2! + x^4/4! - ...) + i(x - x^3/3! + x^5/5! - ...) < 1288824739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be -ix^3/3! < 1288824766 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1288824786 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those two brackets are the exact series for sin and cos, so e^ix = cos x + i sin x. < 1288824790 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1288824854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you < 1288824858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's beautiful < 1288824898 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Staggeringly. < 1288824949 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's tremendous fun to derive, too. < 1288825286 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Dickin' around doin' nuthin'. < 1288825340 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1288825633 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288825761 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288825765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting Decisions, #N: Shipping TeX fonts by default. Why? I don't know... < 1288825785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure makes the font selector a lot more irritating to use, though. < 1288825805 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288825818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288825918 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uy < 1288825925 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288825930 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this mathematics has made me forget to install Debian. < 1288825956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: 64-bit, right? < 1288825959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta1-amd64-netinst.iso < 1288825961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun. < 1288825972 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1288825982 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bare debian is not funny < 1288825991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: "Bare" Debian comes with GNOME these days. < 1288825998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Firef^WIceweasel. < 1288826012 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288826018 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1288826021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait 'til you see euler's equation <-- his identity or his formula? I don't remember one called "equation" < 1288826026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, identity. < 1288826030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1288826036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: At least if you don't untick "Graphical environment", which presumably only someone not wanting a graphical environment would do. < 1288826037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then indeed < 1288826050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: There's a small bit of tweaking to get it workings udo-style, if you want, afterwards, but stock Debian is actually perfectly usable. < 1288826074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*working sudo-style, < 1288826080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tells GNOME he wants to use Iceweasel, not Epiphany.
< 1288826086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You see, the thing is, Epiphany sucks.) < 1288826089 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have they got against su? < 1288826097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use su by default. < 1288826100 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sudo < 1288826100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't :) < 1288826102 0 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1288826132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: They just don't ship it by default and there's no obvious way to configure gksu/PolicyKit. However, once you're in the sudo group, it's just one gconf edit and one file copy and quick edit. < 1288826141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat fails at text rendering when you change the font settings, brb. < 1288826142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288826161 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what do they have against sudo? < 1288826176 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288826246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sources confirmed that while searching for a fertile female politician with whom to repopulate Congress, DeFazio discovered the body of a still-breathing Christine O'Donnell and crushed her neck with the heel of his shoe." < 1288826249 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.90.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288826253 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear peer: wtf did I do wrong? < 1288826271 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:16:01 But what do they have against sudo? < 1288826275 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288826279 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah, that explains everything? < 1288826282 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1288826293 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing they have against $anything_they_don't_ship_by_default_for_whatever_reason; nothing, they just don't ship it by default. < 1288826451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1288826504 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll move my home directory over piecemeal, rather than all at once. < 1288826507 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1288826510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1288826510 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288826519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: No separate home partition?! !OOZOZMOOMOMG (note: i don't have one either) < 1288826527 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I do. < 1288826532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just re-use it. < 1288826559 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I'm wary of bunging every setting from Ubuntu straight into minimalistic Debian. < 1288826581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Just rm -rf .* < 1288826589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Also, um, you have a terrible impression of Debian. < 1288826600 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes < 1288826608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian default installer is almost identical to Ubuntu that takes a bit more fiddling to get how you want :P < 1288826610 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't complaining, but anyway... < 1288826619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd just remove all settings, really. < 1288826639 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a couple of conf files I'd quite like to keep... < 1288826642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a new OS, new configuration! New hassle! < 1288826656 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My .zshrc, for one thing. < 1288826689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh users, aka bash users minus a few years < 1288826693 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one or two app-specific folders. < 1288826707 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're just jealous! < 1288826712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I used zsh for ages. < 1288826715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1288826730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, don't do rm -rf .* < 1288826732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, bad idea < 1288826751 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The man with no sense of sarcasm. < 1288826753 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, you would lose stuff like saved passwords in mozilla, ssh keys, gpg keys < 1288826758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1288826783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually -- when updating, that is -- just move my whole home directory to something like "_" or "oldhome" or "archive", and then lie to myself that I'll sort through it on my leisure. < 1288826788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, alternatively: the man who spent too much time in distro support channels < 1288826806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Leading to paths like ~/_/oldhome/archive/prog/_/archived_prog/old/...) < 1288826807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what distro would mangle it? < 1288826824 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Any_ time in distro support channels is too much time. < 1288826827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you need to move stuff away < 1288826828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just that I like a clean start. < 1288826837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh okay < 1288826844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you don't use rolling release then < 1288826881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: stop being stupid and making points by condescending assumptions you know to be false < 1288826885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is an avid Debianer :P < 1288826890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for some definition of avid. < 1288826894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: The man with no sense of sarcasm. < 1288826897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was figurative < 1288826900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh is he? I didn't remember that < 1288826900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"delete all configuration" < 1288826936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just concluded that he didn't use rolling release based on the evidence < 1288826984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really any sort of evidence. < 1288827006 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels like an idiot.
< 1288827016 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How am I meant to get the ISO onto a flash drive? < 1288827019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, it would be rather ill-defined what a major upgrade on rolling release was. And if it was every upgrade it would be rather inconvenient since they happen all the time < 1288827028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, unetbootin? < 1288827039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last reinstall was when switching from Debian to Ubuntu on this workstation. (But I still have all other computers here Debian installations, so I'm still an avid Debianer, just a bit less avid.) < 1288827077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the one before that when I switched in some much larger HDs, and took that as a good chance to pretend I'd clean up my ~ again. < 1288827101 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, alternative answers: Using a computer. By plugging the flash drive into the relevant (probably USB) port. < 1288827108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, I don't wipe out ~ on every "aptitude upgrade". < 1288827110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the first one was most useful though < 1288827117 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I effing guessed the second one. < 1288827125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, :P < 1288827127 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume I can't just dd across. < 1288827140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, iirc you need a special boot sector < 1288827145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, unetbootin is easy to use < 1288827185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, GUI program and all that < 1288827443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1288827449 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[# Trigonometry or Algebra 3 or Pre-Calculus: ages 15+]] — WP, on the US maths curriculum. < 1288827464 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[# Calculus: ages 16+ (usually seen in 12th grade, if at all; some honors students may see it earlier).]] AAA < 1288827495 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitaminute, that's the normal age in Scotland. < 1288827505 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just young for my year. < 1288828187 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288828455 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you see my complaint about Oklahoma?