00:01:10 Oh dear god, there's a heavy metal version of Pictures at an Exhibition. 00:06:59 Of course there is. 00:07:10 There's a heavy metal version of the Teletubbies theme, I'm sure :P 00:07:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:08:07 "99% of all California farms are family owned." I like how they carefully chose the metric such that it would sound good. 00:08:13 Change that to farmLAND and it would be awful. 00:12:20 lol 00:15:48 Who cares whether it's families or corporations who own farmland? 00:16:18 The same kind of people who like froo-froo commercials where folksy idiots talk about how they more or less waste their life in an extremely inefficient but subsidized industry. 00:16:31 Gregor: <3 00:20:01 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 00:37:37 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:41:54 i suddenly want to write a shell script which creates a directory, copies itself there, cd's there, and execs that copy 00:46:00 sounds trivial 00:46:07 -!- alpha-aquilae has joined. 00:46:29 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 00:47:35 I wonder how long a script like that can keep going 00:47:35 it is 00:47:48 but so is eating, and i have the urge to do that all the time 00:54:38 Not long, most systems have pathname limits. 00:54:43 Your PWD would get too big. 00:55:10 boring 00:55:32 could you e.g. end up having created a path too long for 'rm' though? 00:55:55 -!- alpha-aquilae has left (?). 01:11:01 olsner: No. 01:16:15 Not long, most systems have pathname limits. 01:16:16 Your PWD would get too big. 01:16:16 symlinks 01:16:39 Linux has a 4k pathname limit. 01:16:44 Symlinks still have to be resolved. 01:16:50 Gregor: well, true. 01:17:02 Gregor: pathname limits are lame :( 01:17:11 elliott: Then use HURD. 01:17:25 Gregor: HURD people argue about what to define PATH_MAX as :-) 01:17:37 #define PATH_MAX UINT_MAX /* i would be fine with this */ 01:18:03 anyone got any ideas what the icon for an interpreter of a language named Zetaplex should look like? 01:18:12 elliott: That would be REALLY bad. 01:18:20 Gregor: Why? 01:18:20 elliott: Since a lot of people use char path[PATH_MAX]; 01:18:25 Gregor: Oh, true. 01:18:28 Gregor: Their fault. 01:18:51 pikhq: The job of a non-revolutionary system is to run more or less every program that isn't completely and *utterly* written by crack-addled crack monkeys :P 01:18:52 Let's just subtract UINT_MAX from esp! 01:18:55 I know, I know, that doesn't help Hurd build anything. 01:19:04 Uhh, nothing happened. 01:19:04 FUCK 01:19:09 Gregor: oh wow 01:19:16 Gregor: it'd become char path[0]! 01:19:22 Gregor: and as we all know, [0] == variable length array! 01:19:29 Gregor: therefore path is dynamically allocated Q.E.D. 01:19:39 * Sgeo wonders what type [Right, Left] is 01:19:40 Uhhhh 01:19:48 UINT_MAX isn't 0... 01:20:05 * Sgeo hits self for failing to work it out 01:20:06 poiuy_qwert: the logo from http://www.zetatalk.com/ maybe? 01:20:19 Gregor: No, but. 01:20:23 Gregor: Let's just subtract UINT_MAX from esp! Uhh, nothing happened. 01:20:27 elliott: Hurd is a revolutionary system that pretends not to be. 01:20:32 My logic is impeccable. 01:20:35 elliott: And is written *by* crack-addled crack monkeys. 01:20:39 elliott: 'cuz it'd have to align the stack. But that's at the backend, not the frontend. 01:20:49 Sgeo: I... "list of directions"? 01:20:49 catseye: lol :P 01:20:58 Gregor: And, fun fact, allocating 0 bytes doesn't create a variable array either. ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG 01:21:03 :P 01:21:05 TOUCHE SIR 01:21:19 Tell that to lambdabot 01:21:43 Sgeo: [a -> Either a a] 01:21:54 Yeah, I know 01:21:59 It's sad I needed to ask the bot 01:22:01 Sgeo: I did not know this was Haskell 01:22:04 poiuy_qwert: the logo from http://www.zetatalk.com/ maybe? 01:22:06 this is the most amazing 01:22:46 catseye: oh cool she invented nibiru 01:23:12 "Lieder describes herself as a contactee with the ability to receive messages from extra-terrestrials from the Zeta Reticuli star system" ;; hands up who thinks she decided she was hearing aliens first and *then* looked up a random star system 01:23:14 and asked the aliens for confirmation 01:25:33 a UINT_MAX sized array (assuming uint and pointers have the same size) would effectively be a -1 sized one :) 01:25:54 hmm, unless the actual allocation is aligned by the compiler 01:26:33 it's all fun and games until you think of the details 01:26:37 i was thinking of making the icon relate to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta 01:28:23 poiuy_qwert: a zetaplex is clearly the Riemann zeta function 01:28:25 it's zeta, and complex 01:28:47 poiuy_qwert: failing that, just put zetas on every face of a given 3d solid more than a cube 01:28:51 poiuy_qwert: zetaplex 01:31:47 i really like those ideas, but then again i also need to be able to make it, and it should be recognizable at 16x16 or 32x32 :( 01:32:27 Dear spammers: Why would I want any sex product where the boy's fingers were frozen off? 01:32:45 whut 01:32:50 im thinking of just doing " Zζ " like in the image on wikipedia. so easy 01:32:56 Subject: Boy's fingers frozen off 01:33:16 Body (minus URL): Let the ladies gossip about the wonderful intercourse they had with you 01:34:30 D-8 01:35:26 xD 01:36:44 pikhq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pana_Wave 01:36:53 japan's cults are AWESOME 01:38:31 Shouldn't they move to Antarctica during Antarctica's winter? 01:38:39 That will help them avoid electromagnetic radiation 01:44:35 catseye: [[Roughly a week before the supposed arrival of Planet X, Lieder appeared on KROQ radio in Los Angeles, and advised listeners to put their pets down in anticipation of the event. When asked if she had done so, she replied that she had, and that "The puppies are in a happy place." She also advised that "A dog makes a good meal".]] 01:45:36 wow 01:46:09 Did anyone else put their pets down? 01:46:22 Sgeo: i don't know but lmao 01:46:27 she just wanted an excuse to eat her dog 01:46:29 Also, call me an asshole, but I just don't quite feel the same about non-human animals that I do about humans 01:46:36 catseye: [[After the 2003 date passed without incident, Lieder said that it was merely a "White Lie ... to fool the establishment,"[10] and said that to disclose the true date would give those in power enough time to declare martial law and trap people in cities during the shift, leading to their deaths.]] 01:46:51 "Everyone is going to DIE! Eat your dog! ...ha ha, only kidding. God, Woof was delicious." 01:58:01 pikhq: What features does my boot sector need? :-P 01:58:09 NOTHING 01:58:16 pikhq: It already has nothing! 01:58:27 pikhq: (Well, okay, it does have a diagnostic output that even lets you tell how slow your floppy drive is.) 01:58:35 pikhq: boo(o * number of retries made)t! 01:58:46 nothing if it's never even run 01:58:55 bo if it hangs while trying to reset the disk the first time 01:59:06 boo... if it keeps trying to load or hangs or whatever 01:59:11 boo(o...)t! if all has gone well 01:59:51 omg zzo38 would love the hurd logo 01:59:54 it's written in metafont 02:00:07 bo if it hangs while trying to reset the disk 02:00:09 ... 02:00:11 http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd/status/hurd-fvwm-screenshot-2009-11-12.png 02:00:12 HUUUUURD 02:00:18 FRENCH HIRD FUCK YEAH 02:00:21 *HURD 02:02:17 elliott: i think my logo shall be http://oi51.tinypic.com/dy6c74.jpg 02:03:00 poiuy_qwert: i like it but -- i'd make the text a little smaller so that it doesn't push the edges like that, and also a little higher -- it looks a bit bottom-heavy right now, even though it isn't 02:03:03 just my opinion though 02:03:06 poiuy_qwert: also, png, not jpg, man! :) 02:03:11 Gregor: "Olaf Buddenhagen, 2009-06-09 02:03:11 I have been using the Hurd for most of my everyday work for some two years now" 02:03:15 Gregor: guess we've found out your REAL name 02:03:19 *now." 02:03:23 catseye: can you believe it? ^ 02:03:36 "One particular problem for desktop use is the fact that while X does work, it works very poorly -- it's not only slow and jerky all the time, but also tends to lock up completely. (At least with the local socket transport... Haven't tried whether forcing TCP works better.)" 02:03:36 elliott: ...??? 02:03:41 Gregor: you used HURD 02:03:45 this guy has used hurd for two years 02:03:46 QED 02:03:52 nobody uses hurd, so you must be the only one 02:04:01 i like how they're finding out that 02:04:01 elliot: i'll try your ideas. and it is png, it just says jpg on the image host (i always use png) 02:04:02 shock horror 02:04:02 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:04:10 implementing unix on top of pure message-passing daemons 02:04:16 all components in separate processes 02:04:17 -!- augur has joined. 02:04:17 is not the quickest thing ever 02:04:39 -!- storkbot has joined. 02:04:41 * elliott stabs poiuy_qwert for misspelling his name 02:04:44 ...but ok :P 02:05:29 Gregor: #define PATH_MAX ] = dynamic_path(); ""[ 02:05:31 Gregor: OR SOMETHING 02:06:17 lawl 02:06:28 [[The Hurd servers themselves are multithreaded, so they should be able to take benefit of the parallelism brought by SMP/Multicore boxes. This has however never been tested yet because of the following. 02:06:28 Mach used to be running on SMP boxes like the ?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel iPSC/860 , so has an infrastructure for running on them. It has however not (yet) been ported to nowadays' SMP standards like ACPI etc. 02:06:29 That is why for now GNU/Hurd will only uses one logical processor (i.e. one core or one thread, depending on the socket type).]] 02:06:40 Gregor: "Everything is an independent server so it can all be run in parallel! Note: Only one logical CPU supported." 02:06:53 Why yes, Hurd IS a joke of an OS! 02:07:06 Gregor: *GNU! 02:07:07 *kernel! 02:07:10 An kernel. 02:07:26 Why yes, Hurd IS a joke of a Gnu! 02:30:35 -!- storkbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:32:37 -!- storkbot has joined. 02:37:06 -!- storkbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:37:24 -!- storkbot has joined. 02:37:31 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:37:53 -!- augur has joined. 02:45:00 -!- storkbot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:47:07 Why is it that IE must make web design so damned hard? 02:47:21 pikhq: it doesn't, it only makes web design for IE hard 02:49:56 http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/30/you-cant-tell-your-u.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29&utm_content=Twitter 02:50:00 *sigh* 02:50:14 Stupid awesome ideas spoiled by reality and Microsoft's decisions 02:50:56 that awesome idea looks like an ergonomic nightmare 02:51:44 That too :( 02:51:51 But wires can fix tha 02:51:52 that 02:52:35 also: in no way more anonymous 02:52:38 in fact less secure 02:52:43 and location-specific 02:52:44 it's a stupid idea 02:54:55 -!- storkbot has joined. 02:56:22 But it's FUN 02:56:31 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:56:37 Except for stupid autorun and that one piece of malware that doesn't even require autorun 02:57:13 -!- storkbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:59:42 -!- storkbot has joined. 03:01:55 -!- storkbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:02:13 pikhq: The problem with my boot sector is that all the booting fun happens in the OS itself :( 03:08:20 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:11:43 Opera forgot my settings! 03:11:46 FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 03:11:58 That's it 03:12:02 That's the last straw 03:13:01 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:14:25 Sgeo: I would think the last straw would be shortly after installing Opera, when you realize it's not a good browser. 03:14:43 It handled Reddit and ANGEL nicely! 03:14:52 And the SL Marketplace login 03:15:01 Opera > Chrome with those three sites 03:15:05 Gregor: It's amazing how far Opera's got on having awesome people as employees and claiming to be super-standards-compliant. 03:16:50 Chrome still has its usual Reddit issues :( 03:18:39 -!- augur has joined. 03:18:42 Gregor: that is but one of many straws 03:19:39 Gregor: Are there any good browsers? 03:19:52 Chrome absolutely SUCKS with Reddit 03:19:58 pikhq: Even IE9 is better than Opera. 03:20:06 Has Firefox improved any? 03:20:14 Is Firefox any less of a hog these days? 03:20:19 No. 03:20:21 Basically all of them fail hardcore at many cases of 100% valid HTML 4. 03:20:38 Sgeo: Firefox 4 appears to be less of a hog, but that's in beta. 03:20:54 chrome is fine with reddit 03:20:56 absolutely fine 03:21:07 elliott, no. It is not. 03:21:12 yes. yes it is 03:21:14 I try to open a bunch of comment tabs 03:21:23 and? 03:21:26 The tab with the main page freezes while the others load 03:21:31 no it doesn't 03:21:36 your machine/compilation/whatever sucks 03:21:47 This happened on the old laptop too 03:21:54 Sgeo: E_WORKSFORME 03:22:01 Sgeo: E_HERES_A_NICKEL_KID_GO_BUY_A_REAL_COMPUTER 03:22:15 Running at 1.2 ghz, ultra-low voltage, and chrome handles a hundred tabs just fine 03:22:20 (I use Midori now, but I did use Chrome.) 03:22:29 Maybe it's an Internet connection speed thing. Slow down your Internet connection, see if the issue comes up 03:22:35 no. 03:22:36 no it isn't 03:22:40 internets do not work like that 03:22:59 I mean, it would be a browser fault 03:23:04 Sgeo: Didn't happen when my packets went to orbit and back. 03:23:07 But might not be noticable on a faster connection 03:23:12 pikhq, huh 03:23:30 Then why TF is this happening to me? 03:23:51 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:23:56 Chrome's UI is annoying, Firefox is a hog unless you have a computer made of COMPUTER, Safari is fine except for the Applism that makes its UI even worse than Chrome, IE9 is actually pretty good if you can get it into its magical standards-compliance mode, Opera is crazy-fast and light but painfully uncompliant, uhhh, what am I missing? 03:24:11 Well, yeah, then there's a whole family of WebKit browsers that aren't Safari, and those are mostly OK. 03:24:24 they're usually unpolished though 03:24:33 True. 03:24:51 Gregor: you forgot the faux-minimalist Arch user penis-enhancing non-browsers that try to be as unusable as possible because of the idea that this is the Unix philosophy 03:25:07 I don't mind Chrome's UI 03:25:07 I choose not to believe they exist :) 03:25:18 I do mind its issues with Reddit 03:25:24 I'm back to using Chrome, because it works without crashing. 03:25:29 Does Chrome have a safe mode I can try? 03:25:45 Though its non-standard UI *is* annoying. 03:26:19 Chrome is nice if there's a theme that integrates it with your DE. 03:26:23 e.g. Ubuntu's default theme. 03:26:58 There's a number of annoyances in Midori's UI. 03:27:06 For instance, its behavior when you close a tab. 03:27:09 pikhq: also, it crashes all the time 03:27:19 It always goes to the tab to the right. 03:27:25 also, Ctrl+N new window opens in background if you have tabs-open-in-foreground disabled 03:27:26 Always. 03:27:34 pikhq: Even if you have no tab to the write? :P 03:27:35 *right? 03:27:44 elliott: Then and only then does it go to the left. 03:28:22 This is especially annoying when you would like to *go back to the tab you were on previously*. 03:28:53 indeed 03:29:14 Also, its key binding for switching tabs is annoying. 03:29:16 Must 03:29:19 Dehabit 03:29:21 Ctrl-Shift 03:29:25 Ctrl-Pgup and Ctrl-Pgdown? WHY WOULD I WANT THAT 03:29:38 pikhq: i've actually got used to that :P 03:30:40 Also, it was doing this annoying thing where it would actually jump down about a screenful upon the page fully loading. 03:34:20 Bizzare scrolling behavior is Opera's forte 03:35:00 And incredibly bizzare text selection behavior 03:35:27 The always opening new tab to the right of current one was nice, though 03:38:30 don't they all do that now, though? 03:38:43 Opera does that even on Ctrl-T 03:38:49 Which I've found handy on occasion 03:46:24 * Sgeo goes to download Factor 03:46:27 It's been too long 04:03:56 elliott: Which album of Pink Floyd's was it that you said was only any good because of a single song on it? 04:05:09 pikhq: Meddle, because of Echoes. 04:05:12 Funny, I just mentioned Echoes. 04:05:19 Aaah. 04:05:33 pikhq: The only even semi-decent song other than Echoes is One of These Days. 04:06:13 The rest are: a love song, a bad football fanboy song, a TROPICAL JAZZ SONG (not joking -- waters wrote it entirely himself, that probably explains it), and a song where A DOG BARKING FORMS THE VOCALS 04:06:40 pikhq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuOB2_u87fo 04:06:41 pikhq: DOGSONG 04:07:30 Is Who Let the Dogs Out better? 04:07:35 Yes. 04:07:37 It has structure. 04:08:16 WHO. WHO; WHO; WHO. 04:08:28 catseye: i do not think that song was composed with semicolons 04:08:29 * Sgeo actually kind of likes Who Let the Dogs Out, partially nostalgia maybe, but I have the impression that a lot of people dislike it 04:08:40 well it's a terrible song. 04:08:46 I also like what I've heard of Nickleback 04:09:04 Although the lyrics are objectionable -- I am able to hande that 04:09:17 The problem with Nickleback is not that any one song of theirs is terrible. The problem is that they don't have a second song. 04:09:21 There's one song I like that has sentimental-seeming lyrics that are really just horrible 04:09:36 (not a Nickleback song) 04:09:38 Nickleback *are* *objectively* *terrible*. 04:09:47 *ANYONE* who likes Nickelback HAS NO EARS 04:09:49 *Nickelback 04:10:32 elliott: The point I was trying to make is that they are probably the most samey group out there... 04:10:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZrWY8s73tk The lyrics are pretty... bleh, especially when it's clear that it's abusive, but still 04:10:42 pikhq: Oh yes. 04:10:48 pikhq: And their one song is terrible. 04:10:54 elliott: They're terrible because they are far far too consistent. 04:11:14 Wait 04:11:18 Sgeo: Man, you know... Never listen to Tool. 04:11:27 Are you saying I can hear the same melody, with different lyrics??? 04:11:41 If you find it hard to *LISTEN TO A SONG* because of *SOME LYRICS*... never, ever listen to Tool. Or... or many bands 04:12:00 Although this one has nostalgia value 04:12:18 elliott, link me to a Tool song 04:12:34 Sgeo: You should just avoid music with lyrics. 04:12:34 * elliott optimises for Sgeo's squick organ 04:12:36 Sgeo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDJgKxLNsJE 04:13:02 pikhq, I like Libera. I know the music is likely religious, but it's mostly Latin, so I don't care 04:13:08 Or, well, it helps me not care 04:13:20 A 1962 Lincoln Convertible -- *that* has nostalgia value. 04:14:40 Sgeo, what do you think of Garbage? 04:14:46 I'm curious now. 04:14:51 Uhhhh? 04:15:22 The band called "Garbage", and their music, in case the context wasn't clear. 04:15:35 Never heard of them 04:15:42 Oh dear. 04:15:48 Okay. 04:23:49 we are siamese if you please 04:23:57 we are siamese if you don't please 04:24:12 catseye: xD 04:28:14 * Sgeo imagines a language where you don't have to look ahead to understand what's going on at any particular point 04:28:33 Sgeo: natural or prog 04:28:37 prog 04:28:40 easy 04:28:58 Factor doesn't count as doing it, btw 04:29:29 * elliott thinks Sgeo is confused 04:29:45 1 0 < [ stuff ] if 04:29:48 That's ANNOYING 04:29:59 Same with bi and tri 04:30:11 etc 04:30:12 well, anything with mutual recursion is going to have temporarily unresolved forward references 04:30:40 ....am I asking to kill lambdas? 04:31:05 you're sort of asking to break nesting's legs 04:32:51 * Sgeo ponders what it would take to have a thingy in Factor that enforces functional purity in marked ... words 04:33:19 Add a "this is impure" marker to words that have side effects? 04:33:45 ...Wait, how is dynamic scoping implemented in Factor? 04:33:46 i don't know to what extent Factor supports the kind of metaprogramming that would let you do that 04:36:27 YOU COULD TOTALLY DO IT IN FALCON (note: bullshit) 04:36:53 * catseye still awaits Falctorn. 04:38:15 i think maybe the thingie could be generalized 04:38:29 although "thingie" is already pretty general 04:39:47 what i mean is, (compose-with-property p x y) creates a new object z, out of x and y with property p, iff both x and y have p. 04:40:17 p being something you're born with, if you're a builtin function 04:40:24 er thingie, not function 04:41:09 then if p = functional purity... yeah 04:42:23 catseye: that's just tags, in one of my type systems 04:42:53 also could be polynomial time or something. yes it can be implemented very simply. 04:43:11 catseye: e.g. 04:43:17 print : string -> void [io] 04:43:24 then if you call print, you're [io] too 04:43:27 but you can use it as a pure value 04:43:28 so 04:43:29 print read_line 04:43:30 works 04:43:33 but it's : void [io] 04:43:41 or : void [stdin,stdout], for instance 04:43:50 elliott: ooh, interesting 04:44:05 coppro: thanks :p 04:44:13 coppro: still has creases to be edged out. or something. 04:44:26 elliott: also, you linked me to something about vertical vs. horizonal polysomethingism or whatnot a long time ago, do you have it? 04:44:37 coppro: i... maybe if you're more specific! 04:44:50 elliott: well, I have no clue what that would actually mean for something /other/ than [io], so that's why I'm intrigued 04:45:01 coppro: well, e.g. 04:45:08 modifies_state_variable $foo 04:45:11 elliott: it was about how you can easily define new operations in functional languages and new types in oo languages, but not both 04:45:15 set $foo 3 : void [modifies_state_variable $foo] 04:45:23 set $foo read_line : void [modifies_state_variable $foo, reads stdin] 04:45:25 that sort of thing 04:45:29 of course this quickly gets dependent-typey 04:45:31 coppro: ahh yes 04:45:47 coppro: let me try and find it :) 04:45:52 elliott: how does that benefit the programmer? 04:46:01 coppro: like haskell's io but less evil 04:46:04 if you call something without any tags 04:46:06 you KNOW it's pure 04:46:13 so the api defines the effects 04:46:19 not just of the pure component 04:46:24 it also specifies any statefulness 04:46:27 fully 04:46:33 elliott: hrm... smells of Java exceptions 04:46:39 not really 04:46:44 coppro: not any more than haskell's IO or State is 04:46:55 coppro: gah i'm trying to think of that article 04:47:29 grep logs ftw? 04:48:06 coppro: that's what i'm going to do :) 04:48:23 ./08.07.17:17:14:31 GRAR SCHEME GRR SGLASGJ SHITTY UNDERPOWERED TOO MINIMAL GRR RARG 04:49:16 also, the libraries are numbered. so wrong with that 04:49:36 catseye: it's so versioning 04:49:42 catseye: ABI-incompatible = new package 04:50:08 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: Coyote finally caught me). 04:51:51 -!- rodgort has joined. 04:54:36 There is absolutely nothing wrong with so versioning aside from people being able to fuck it up. 04:57:01 pikhq: FYI, NetBSD Linux emulation does not appear to be up to the task of running Debina. 04:57:02 *Debian. 04:57:17 elliott: Aaaaw. 04:57:23 elliott: Any idea what the problem is? 04:57:33 pikhq: something thinks the kernel is too old -- probably glibc 04:58:02 pikhq: FYI, NetBSD Linux emulation does not appear to be up to the task of running Debian. // wow 04:58:24 Gregor: I MAY HAVE BEEN GETTING DEBOOTSTRAP TO WORK ON NETBSD WITH CATSEYE FOR THE PAST FEW HOURS 04:58:35 Gregor: I think I can get it to work by recompiling glibc with --enable-kernel=2.4 04:58:36 elliott: ... OH RIGHT. 04:58:39 I may have not been paying attention :P 04:58:43 Gregor: It was in /msg 04:58:46 elliott: NetBSD emulates Linux 2.4. 04:58:47 Ah 04:58:53 pikhq: Right. 04:58:56 pikhq: So I just need to recompile glibc. 04:59:03 WHICH WILL BE TOTALLY FUN 04:59:14 pikhq: Thankfully I can do it on this, my actual Debian installation, and then upload it... 05:00:24 pikhq: Hmm. GCC won't be affected, right? 05:00:41 elliott: Wait, which version of NetBSD? 05:00:45 pikhq: 5.0.2 05:00:55 pikhq: And let me tell you, NETBSD SUCKS HOLY SHIT 05:01:00 Also: dpkg. 05:01:01 Dpkg really sucks. 05:01:03 Dpkg's source code is insane. 05:01:06 It has its own malloc. 05:01:12 wait waht 05:01:14 It uses "strnlen(s,n)" which is just max(strlen(s),n) 05:01:20 what 05:01:22 And then has a portability library defining it, but that library DOESN'T WORK 05:01:31 coppro: it's a malloc without free using, uh 05:01:33 ob somethings 05:01:34 just the what you learn when beating your head against a wall like this: fantastic 05:01:43 You could wait for NetBSD 6. 05:01:46 2 [ V{ } 5 suffix! clone . ] times 05:01:47