< 1287964818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS? < 1287964818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287964836 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used DOS at home, I remember that < 1287964845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS with a menu application, I mean. < 1287964852 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this was DOS in the schools, it was hidden behind some menu... yeah < 1287964859 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automenu hahaha < 1287964860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, help me find the menu application < 1287964876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P < 1287964880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only remember one vague image < 1287964888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The background was blue < 1287964891 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1287964899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: is that referring to a specific product? < 1287964901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Automenu is the only remaining product we sell, all other products have been discontinued." < 1287964911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last updated 2005! < 1287964913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1983-2005 < 1287964915 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was an old menu program for dos < 1287964922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really. You can't use Automenu to start your computer and then switch between Windows 95 and DOS applications. You could use Automenu as a menu system for your DOS applications inside a DOS window. You would install the Automenu files on your system and create a shortcut to run AUTO.BAT. So when you click on this shortcut it will start Automenu in a DOS window. < 1287964925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: sounds like it, lol < 1287964928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.magee.com/magee/Product%20Information.htm < 1287964985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psst, cpressey doesn't know this, but I've totally stolen his language. < 1287964991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...idea, at least. < 1287965053 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287965146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a term rewriting language! But, but with kittens! < 1287965186 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287965365 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have an idea for the action of a multiplayer roguelike that somewhat retains turn-based movement: if any player moves, then the monsters get a chance to move. however, the monsters are not able to attack anyone who hasn't taken a turn yet. < 1287965410 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might get surrounded by monsters if you leave the game running for days, but you'll be "safe" lol < 1287965462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: "safe" < 1287965476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh no, there are 50 Ultimate Death Killing Machines surrounding me!" < 1287965494 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if you get abandoned by your party, you might get screwed < 1287965510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: or if your whole party go offline and can't get to somewhere safe first... < 1287965512 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if they leave the level, then the monsters won't be moving either < 1287965515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287965534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, vmware server is 451 MiB! < 1287965539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?! < 1287965559 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never understand why software is so bloated < 1287965568 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my programs just suck < 1287965574 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are always tiny < 1287965581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: aren't you a java guy? < 1287965601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta question your actual code size as a valid metric there when you depend on one of the worst pieces of software in existence (jvm) that also hogs memory :P < 1287965604 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not usually < 1287965608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: alright then < 1287965612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: well no, software does suck. < 1287965629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: basically due to corporate development i think < 1287965638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :selling the software is more important than the code, programmers get lazy < 1287965640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :software begins to suck < 1287965644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's okay, hardware will catch up! < 1287965656 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but how exactly do they get lazy < 1287965658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in a desperate attempt to imitate other systems, the Linux/BSD guys start donig it to < 1287965659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doing < 1287965681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: as long as the software literally *works* the company keeps selling it because users are locked in and don't know any better. < 1287965690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: as long as the programmers don't break the software, they stay employed < 1287965696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why bother writing good code? < 1287965700 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I meant is, if they are lazy then wouldn't that mean less lines of code? < 1287965714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: well sort of. < 1287965724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: it can be an art to write the minimum amount of code that's still readable and functions < 1287965731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's a lot more easier to write long, retarded code that gets it done < 1287965737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: plus, "Hey you, implement this feature!" < 1287965740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codebase grows, redundancy appears < 1287965740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1287965765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: also consider that not too long ago it wasn't even clear how software should be written! in fact it still isn't. < 1287965773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: also worse is better only got popularised in the 90s < 1287965787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and even though i have some disagreements with it, before it, minimal code wasn't seen as a virtue at all as far as i know < 1287965792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not outside the actual dedicated unix circles < 1287965809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: but really, if your software does what it's supposed to, and it's tiny, that's a good thing imo. < 1287965849 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I work on the ibm mainframes (z/os), we don't have bloat there.. maybe not the best algorithm, but not bloat either < 1287965867 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that code has been going since the 60s < 1287965891 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe hardware restrictions have maintained an atmosphere of efficiency < 1287965931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z/os, cool < 1287965934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "cool" < 1287965937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: aren't they a bit... arcane? < 1287965956 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you referring to < 1287965959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z/OS < 1287965962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a bit arcane < 1287965966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inscrutable, etc. < 1287966021 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric? < 1287966033 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1287966082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yes. that! < 1287966085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot we had a nice word for that. < 1287966088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem. (I really did) < 1287966103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, this will never work ever < 1287966140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uh so, someone distract me by asking about my language. < 1287966224 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorrty, had to take a call.. yes z/os is definitely different than a lot of modern oses < 1287966254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: meh, i consider modern OSes insane. < 1287966273 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is very good at doing batch processing < 1287966324 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means it's good for billing, banks, retail stores, etc < 1287966327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yay batch processing! Everyone's favourite thing. < 1287966423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The only OSes I consider sane are... Forth and the Lisp Machine OSes. < 1287966447 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the hardware is handled so much better < 1287966467 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here if my cd won't read it hoses linux < 1287966528 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why that is, actually. would kernel preemption help? < 1287966531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: well yeah linux is braindead. < 1287966536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody can understand. < 1287966564 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the drive flooding the bus with crap < 1287966632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yes. the driver got out a hose and filled the entire bus. < 1287966635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tragic mental breakdown. < 1287966643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully it was double decker so people just climbed up to the top. < 1287966645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a happy ending < 1287966713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...anyway < 1287967018 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders a Factor OS < 1287967025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no. < 1287967103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there some idea that Smalltalk was supposed to be an OS? < 1287967240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not some idea, fact. < 1287967243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original Smalltalk was an OS. < 1287967266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the sole reason it's a closed-world, in-a-window environment is because it's an OS ported to run on an OS. < 1287967344 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey all < 1287967350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1287967581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Arguably, it still is. < 1287967587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It just happens to run hosted. < 1287967618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fucking shit < 1287967618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb#Example_fork_bombs < 1287967622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about languagecruft < 1287967625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION axes almost all of that section < 1287967648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit. < 1287967695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION axes almost all of that section < 1287967697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1287967698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whoops < 1287967698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287967776 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuuuuuuuuu < 1287967793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wabbit? < 1287967807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION trims down < 1287967809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb#Example_fork_bombs < 1287967810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1287967829 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hover! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0fx0_WuD40 < 1287967832 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reverts < 1287967838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Seriously? < 1287967847 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287967854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: You're fucking insane. Did you add one of them or something? < 1287967854 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate when ppl delete stuff < 1287967859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287967861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ < 1287967870 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it less useful < 1287967873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: No it doesn't. < 1287967876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is not a forkbomb lookup site. < 1287967879 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287967885 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care < 1287967893 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleting stuff is anti-knowledge < 1287967902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, sir, are a fucking lunatic. < 1287967903 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you see how good AW is? < 1287967921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at how much better its graphics is compared to a different 3d game from its time! < 1287967939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: You are a moron. < 1287967953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Wikipedia is intended as a reference source. < 1287967960 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, so you guys have no defense < 1287967970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Having useless data in it makes the whole thing useless for that task. < 1287967973 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just name calling < 1287967982 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless to whom < 1287967992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: PEOPLE WHO WANT USEFUL INFORMATION. < 1287968002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: UNLIKE YOU, YOU IGNORAMOUS. < 1287968009 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are information elitists < 1287968014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287968029 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit about Java is not useless < 1287968046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who TF has ever heard of Pict? < 1287968066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elitist. Grammatically a noun, semantically an indication of the speaker's ignorance. < 1287968093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Firstly, let me note that < 1287968096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many times in the past < 1287968102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the decision has been made to move such things to wikisource < 1287968108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(long programming examples of a certain task) < 1287968113 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do that? nope < 1287968114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because *they are explicitly outside Wikipedia's vision*. < 1287968118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because *they are explicitly outside Wikipedia's vision*. < 1287968124 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who gives a shit < 1287968124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are explicitly outside Wikipedia's vision. < 1287968132 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, linky? < 1287968137 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, that vision is flawed if it means less information < 1287968146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Well guess what? Wikipedia follows Wikipedia's vision, not yours. < 1287968161 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have attention deficit disorder, use a regular encyclopedia < 1287968169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Just shovelling information into Wikipedia makes it cease to be a useful resource, and arguably kills the useful information that *is in there*. < 1287968180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: You are, quite literally, the stupidest person I have ever had the displeasure of talking to on here. < 1287968183 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true < 1287968187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I love you. Let's be friends forever. < 1287968188 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE TWO THREE FOUR THIS iS HOW WE EDIT WAR < 1287968195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Imagine if the page on C had every single valid C program. < 1287968202 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah that just weakens your already patetic attempt at a rebuttal < 1287968213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: You would say I'm an "information elitist" for removing all that crap. < 1287968225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: And yet, I would be making the rest of the information significantly more accesible. < 1287968225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't calamari the person who made PSOX's spiritual predecesor? < 1287968229 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you had example C programs, I don't see a problem < 1287968232 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that doesn't help his case, does it? < 1287968239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus increasing the ability to access information. < 1287968244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Let's say a coreutils. < 1287968249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A complete coreutils. < 1287968276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: see /msg, I talked about some stuff < 1287968281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that we talked about earlier < 1287968282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vague!* < 1287968288 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :straw man, really.. since not every language was on that page < 1287968310 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would also be redundant < 1287968353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1287968360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope VMware will work better. < 1287968401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mrf, it hasn't installed properly. < 1287968543 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, significant differences between [legal] VMware Server and [illegal to get for free] VMware Workstation or whatever? < 1287968555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: your edits are in extremely bad faith especially considering another user (mistakenly) thought I was vandalising and then upon realising I wasn't, putting it back to my version, thus constituting implicit acceptance of it. < 1287968561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I request that before it is reverted again, the matter is discussed on the talk page." < 1287968563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please heed this request. < 1287968569 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fuck you < 1287968578 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it? < 1287968586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It's not fucking useful! It's spam! < 1287968591 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, you aren'r even willing to TALK? < 1287968595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Removing spam is not anti-information! < 1287968601 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I was sympathetic with you right up until that point. < 1287968606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: You are being irrational, inflammatory, acting in bad faith, acting in admitted violation of established Wikipedia policy, and being a fucking asshole. < 1287968609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go eat shit and die. < 1287968632 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: fuck him.. I tried talking he launched ad hominems < 1287968654 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably drunk or something < 1287968657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called being exasperated at idiocy. All my rationale is there in the edit summaries. < 1287968677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps I'm an information elitist and trying to get you down with my hideous drunkenness. < 1287968690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, perhaps you're just a moron. < 1287968691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to remove all EsoAPI and PESOIX references from the PSOX spec < 1287968697 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is powerless, obviously < 1287968727 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah. < 1287968731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: "Moron" should be treated as an indication that you are exhibiting behavior that is rash and obviously insufficiently thought-out, and that you should reconsider your actions. < 1287968768 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nah, when ppl start saying things, that means they have lost the argument and should be ignored < 1287968776 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying things like that < 1287968779 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anyone requesting to talk on Talk < 1287968801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, elliott < 1287968809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: You, sir, already lost the argument. Unless you think that we really need a forkbomb in Pict. < 1287968824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: fuck you < 1287968824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : got it? < 1287968829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already lost the argument and should be ignored < 1287968836 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so remove the pict example and leave the rest.. works for me < 1287968849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: what about the three asm examples? < 1287968852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I think that we only need one or two examples. < 1287968856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One for Linux, one for Win32, and one for I forget what the fuck it was? < 1287968858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we need them too? < 1287968871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Say, the C and bash examples. < 1287968871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is Pict? < 1287968875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh slippery slopes. Why am I arguing with you again? It's not like you've made any attempt at civil debate or listened to my polite request in the edit summary. < 1287968897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION falls in love with Pict < 1287968898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where you acquired the kind of ego that makes you think your crazy personal whims beat Wikipedia policy. < 1287968921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1287968924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inaccurate < 1287968936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe more of a one-night stand with Pict < 1287968939 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, where is ut.... < 1287968944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I will note that if you had attempted to discuss it civilly with me before reaching for the revert button, I would have been happy to do so. < 1287968949 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : They are explicitly outside Wikipedia's vision. < 1287968949 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, linky? < 1287968952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should learn pi-calculus first < 1287968953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: However, your very first action was a hostile dismissal without bothering to argue. < 1287968973 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "calamari: You're fucking insane. Did you add one of them or something?" yeah that' < 1287968976 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s civil < 1287968986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That was after you went to revert it without justification or anything. < 1287968992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just said "hey, I'm reverting that edit you did now". < 1287968992 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't reverted yet < 1287968994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Anyways, I now have half a mind to rewrite the entire article because it's almost a stub aside from the spam. < 1287968995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not civil. < 1287968998 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, how about this: < 1287968998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That is irrelevant. < 1287969002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You made no attempt to engage in rational discussion. < 1287969005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone starts from scratch < 1287969015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You stated your explicit intent to perform a hostile action without reasoning at the very start. < 1287969017 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone forgets about the entire conversation < 1287969023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, we have a civil discussion. < 1287969041 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nah.. I really don't give a shit.. obviously you guys can out-revert me.. so if you want to destroy the information, I can't win < 1287969053 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still haven't seen the policy < 1287969084 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, to sum it up, there really needs to be the :(){ :|:& };: example < 1287969091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: "Destroy the information". You act under the premise that deleting information is necessarily "wrong" or "evil". Or indeed "anti-information". < 1287969096 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the talk page, that's broken < 1287969097 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a REALLY common example < 1287969100 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: absolutely < 1287969111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: But there is such a thing as too much information. < 1287969115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I left that in, its extended explanation, the POSIX C version, the Perl version and the DOS version. < 1287969118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*batch file < 1287969126 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there have been pages that I've used that got deleted.. and when I came back the information I needed was gone < 1287969128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Drowning out the information that's there. < 1287969136 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the perl version is notable < 1287969146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I destroyed... the faster batch version, the DOS command line version, the Ruby version, the Haskell version, the Python version, the Visual Studio version, the Scheme version, < 1287969150 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: after that I realized that there was a war inside wikipedia.. those who like to delete and those who like to add < 1287969150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Free Pascal version, < 1287969151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PHP version, < 1287969154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FASM/Linux version, < 1287969157 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and I chose my side < 1287969158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Haskell version? < 1287969158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FASM/Win32 version, < 1287969165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NASM/Linux version < 1287969167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Lisp version < 1287969168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Java version < 1287969170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Pict version. < 1287969170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ... You *unconditionally assume* that deleting is wrong? < 1287969179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: All of which are entirely useless, of course. < 1287969180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: You actually feel that it should be add-only? < 1287969200 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Flash game that I liked and the only expalanation of various stuff was on Wikipedia < 1287969203 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if it's illegal content then it should be deleted.. but if it's content that someone finds valuable, it shouldn't be deleted < 1287969205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't a notable game < 1287969209 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ruby version actually looks kinda interesting < 1287969219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I find "calamari is a fag" valuable. < 1287969221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you delete it? < 1287969227 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does the haskell version < 1287969230 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: straw man < 1287969234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: not at all < 1287969235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corner cases are FUN! < 1287969235 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the python version isn't as notable though < 1287969239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you said any content someone finds valuable should stay < 1287969243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find "calamari is a fag" valuable. < 1287969245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you delete it? < 1287969259 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you really think your argument is valid? < 1287969259 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe he didn't mean literally. Corner cases happen < 1287969266 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme ver would be worth keeping, i'd drop the free pascal ver though < 1287969272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vandalism is a corner case, his statement should be modified accordingly < 1287969274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Oh, I see, so now you're the one not attempting to reply to disagreements. < 1287969277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fine then. < 1287969294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: What about "Calamari is terribly homosexual, I verily proclaim it so." < 1287969294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That's reductio ad absurdum, not a strawman. < 1287969296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, no profanity. < 1287969296 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is kinda notable, the win32 fasm one is just large though, and i'm not sure about the linux fasm one < 1287969298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it valuable. < 1287969299 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you definitely type faster than I do, so that means I'm ignoring you? < 1287969302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What say you? < 1287969305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: you really think your argument is valid? < 1287969307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not ignoring < 1287969310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was explicitly refusing to answer < 1287969315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argumentum ad incredulity? < 1287969319 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there does not need to be both a nasm and a fasm version of the same code < 1287969324 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay you're right < 1287969327 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By vandalism I did not mean profanity < 1287969332 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to ignore elliott < 1287969338 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's change the subject < 1287969344 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although on a page about calamari, backed up by sou... wait < 1287969351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stop talking, I haven't lost yet! Let's just leave it as it is!" < 1287969353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: But honestly. Do you actually feel that Wikipedia should be *add-only*? < 1287969355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can't just let every single human's opinion on < 1287969359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If we stop talking I can't lose!" < 1287969362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: INFORMATION ELITIST < 1287969384 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lisp one is kinda redundant wrt the scheme one < 1287969393 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: for the most part, yes.. obviously if people are putting up copyrighted stuff or attacks as pointed out, then those should be taken down < 1287969406 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "attack" < 1287969407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: To make the argument less absurd, I shall give an example that is merely useless, not likely false. < 1287969411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: "Some people state that calamari is a flamboyant homosexual murderer." < 1287969413 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'd personally just drop the fasm ones, at least the duplicate < 1287969414 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: otherwise it's just a matter of restructuring the information < 1287969416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an attack, that's a statement of fact. < 1287969419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari is a flamboyant homosexual murderer. < 1287969422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, someone has stated it. < 1287969424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore my statement is true. < 1287969431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Would you say that Wikipedia should have an article on a "pet" grasshoper you caught when you were 5? < 1287969432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true, it is not copyrighted, and it is not an attack. < 1287969439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: By your philosophy, this information would have to stay. < 1287969442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I not correct? < 1287969452 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, however it might need its own article < 1287969460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Am I not correct? < 1287969472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ... You're kidding. You are fucking kidding right. < 1287969478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Please tell me this was a joke. < 1287969480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Wikipedia had infinite storage space, I'd see calamari's point < 1287969494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And we had infinite ability to search through BS. < 1287969502 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: however that might be original research < 1287969519 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so maybe not on second thought < 1287969521 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking more of a separate category for "low-interest" stuff < 1287969527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo 'calamari: all the implementations of fork bombs are original research there too' < 1287969530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Let's say I somehow wrote it based on your memoirs, that I am the *second* person to have read. < 1287969539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ul (calamari: all the implementations of fork bombs are original research there too)S < 1287969543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (calamari: all the implementations of fork bombs are original research there too)S < 1287969543 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: all the implementations of fork bombs are original research there too < 1287969569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((except the original bash one))S < 1287969570 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except the original bash one) < 1287969602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UL = Underload, not Unlambda < 1287969612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am aware... < 1287969615 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it all depends on the page it's in.. if it's in a page about me, then that might be fine. I mean obviously they'd want to use the best source they can. incorrect things should be taken out < 1287969616 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i believe perl's "fork while fork" is also a "well known" one < 1287969622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not, until I realized < 1287969623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: true < 1287969625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the others < 1287969635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: A grasshoper that nobody except for you or me cares about in the slightest. < 1287969640 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: not all of them < 1287969640 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: so it goes...) is spliced into the surrounding context as ( define ( fnord l)) would unload null and fing. does unloading null remove the g and f major at the end < 1287969642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari's argument is contradictory and he is wilfully ignoring -- probably by /ignore -- my perfectly valid counterargument < 1287969644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent. < 1287969647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his case just keeps on building itself. < 1287969673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should build a low-interest wiki! < 1287969681 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For calamari's grasshopper < 1287969690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And every Flash game in existance < 1287969728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: /msg, moar about the project < 1287969730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'll get out my spool of infinite tape and the entropyless computer. < 1287969732 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I really don't see the problem.. go for it < 1287969734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more < 1287969735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*moar < 1287969758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: In short, you disagree with Wikipedia's long-standing notability requirement. < 1287969776 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, that's correct < 1287969783 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, infinite tape might be a little slow < 1287969791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Please, do Wikipedia a favor and stop editing contrary to their intended goals. You're just making it worse. < 1287969807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (calamari: you do realise violating wikipedia policy repeatable is a bannable offence?)S < 1287969807 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you do realise violating wikipedia policy repeatable is a bannable offence? < 1287969808 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll do what I will do :) < 1287969819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Perhaps fork it if you want to have 10 billion forkbombs. < 1287969826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Otherwise, please, fuck off. < 1287969834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (calamari: ok so you'll continue going until you get banned. Is your entire ethical and moral system this simplistic?)S < 1287969834 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ok so you'll continue going until you get banned. Is your entire ethical and moral system this simplistic? < 1287969836 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is talking through the bot.. is it elliott? < 1287969846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, fungot attained sentience. < 1287969847 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: never mind. it's the wrong place for a 42 in here. and no modem flat either. it's a wonderfully eloquent description of the format < 1287969855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (pikhq: also, i am not a bot)S < 1287969856 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, i am not a bot < 1287969857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, calamari seriously /ignored elliott? < 1287969862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1287969916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: /msg ping < 1287969939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:17 calamari: "Some people state that calamari is a flamboyant homosexual murderer." < 1287969943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:17 That's not an attack, that's a statement of fact. < 1287969946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:17 calamari is a flamboyant homosexual murderer. < 1287969947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:17 See, someone has stated it. < 1287969950 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I was attempting to try your suggestion < 1287969950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:17 Therefore my statement is true. < 1287969952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:17 It is true, it is not copyrighted, and it is not an attack. < 1287969953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow nested <>s < 1287969955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:17 calamari: By your philosophy, this information would have to stay. < 1287969957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... interesting < 1287969958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:17 Am I not correct? < 1287969960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287969970 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: obviously the topic didn't change tho lol < 1287969986 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My... suggestion? My suggestion was not to ignore anyone. It was to restart the conversation from a neutral state. < 1287970020 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287970024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Care to answer? < 1287970031 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah since he was basically insulting me rather than attempting honest conversation, the best way to stay neutral was to ignore the troll < 1287970054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Uuuuh, you're the troll here. < 1287970063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try this again. < 1287970074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: You're actually trolling Wikipedia by trying to unenforce the notability requirement. < 1287970079 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's not how I see it, but does it realyl matter? < 1287970147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Here's the thing. Your edits are like trying to submit patches to Linux that make it run GTK in the kernel. Quite *obviously*, Linus would tell you to fuck off because that's not the job of Linux. < 1287970160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, unignore elliott. elliott, pikhq, don't insult calamari for things said before this point. calamari, same goes for you < 1287970168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, stop pretending to be an op. < 1287970210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pretty sure he has *elliott* on ignore and therefore did not see the question you repeated < 1287970221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *sigh* < 1287970221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. any message with my name in it < 1287970232 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287970234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you want you could turn me into elllott or something i guess :P < 1287970272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE TWO THREE FOUR THIS IS HOW WE GET #ESOTERIC HOTTER THAN THE FLAMES OF HEL < 1287970274 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELL < 1287970294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Also, you're aware that by saying essentially that "deleting is unconditionally wrong" you've shown a complete and utter disregard for actually considering the situation? < 1287970318 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: for the most part < 1287970327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: And thus showing all the reasoning abilities of a three-year-old? < 1287970343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: too wimpy to see how he'll react to the ultimate question?! :p < 1287970350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Si < 1287970355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution: Link to an external page that has all these examples. < 1287970357 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why are you continuing this < 1287970369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Because you're being stupid and I hate for you to be stupid. < 1287970370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But it'd be *fun* to watch the idiot flail! < 1287970385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put it in some userpage on esolangs, no one will complain < 1287970386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I would like for you to act intelligently. < 1287970417 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: your statements are inflammatory < 1287970429 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they work against any argument you might be making < 1287970438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But instead, you insist that any effort to delete information is inherently wrong, regardless of whether or not the information is in any way necessary. < 1287970454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Your opinions are inflammatory. < 1287970463 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1287970463 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1287970469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: As is your mother. < 1287970476 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice.. okay then I really have nothing more to say to you on this subject < 1287970478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot the fact that he's a flamboyant homosexual < 1287970493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I hope you get banned from Wikipedia for trolling. < 1287970512 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry Sgeo.. it didn't work out < 1287970521 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just added pikhq to ignore also < 1287970522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm sorry, but he has all the brains of a flea. < 1287970565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Excuse me, I've known fleas to do very intelligent things at times compared to calamari. < 1287970566 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, drama is so much *fun* < 1287970573 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, you will unignore them eventually, right? Or do you not feel like hearing the participation of two of the more active members of this channel? < 1287970574 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287970584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok everything we say is stupid < 1287970586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're information elitists < 1287970592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want to destroy information everywhere < 1287970594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make it never exist < 1287970597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by following wikipedia policies < 1287970599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We believe only some information should exist. < 1287970603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: untrue < 1287970609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe all information should exist, sure < 1287970611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not on wikipedia. < 1287970620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's job is to collect researched information -- the forkbombs were original research -- < 1287970621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is notable -- < 1287970626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and present it in a readable, encyclopaedic form. < 1287970633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikisource is there < 1287970637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe in removing all the information spam. < 1287970640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fork bomb" would be a welcome article there < 1287970644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could have hundreds. < 1287970653 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287970660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would not be offended if a hypothetical Factor example were removed < 1287970680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is to say: I believe in removing bad dumps of ROMs and CDs. Very horribly done encodes of music and video. Pictures taken with the lenscap on. Etc. < 1287970680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1287970683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually Wikibooks. < 1287970685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Computer_Programming/Hello_world < 1287970696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have no problem with them existing and being distributed, just not "recommended". < 1287970700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can be in an index somewhere. < 1287970709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Preserving culture is a good idae. < 1287970710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea. < 1287970713 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287970715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bad ROM dump is still culture, if almost worthless. < 1287970717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are we to judge? < 1287970719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But: < 1287970721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Wikipedia: < 1287970721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1287970741 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: let's just leave that one unanswered, okay? < 1287970762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good thing calamari never says anything interesting. And is rarely in here. < 1287970770 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1287970771 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To calamari, I am alone with calamari < 1287970772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully being that stupid and having anything worthwhile to say are basically exclusive concepts. < 1287970775 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little freaked < 1287970784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, PESOIX is not worthwhile? < 1287970787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nope. < 1287970796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Even if it was, what more is there to say on it? < 1287970798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1287970803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anyway, just call him a flamboyant homosexual. < 1287970807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll be with us! < 1287970833 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a girl in one of my classes who I think is interested in girls < 1287970838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of secretly hope she's bi < 1287970839 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1287970851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's a topic change. < 1287970860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not kind of secretly if you tell #esoteric, and, uh, your hormones are second to none. < 1287970892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: BTW, part of what you saw here was building up rage against stupid people in general. < 1287970906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is sort of meant to be the haven away from stupid people :P < 1287970908 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo women know that too.. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/ < 1287970918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even our stupid people are pretty smart (Vorpal isn't that stupid) < 1287970931 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: scroll down to "I'm bisexual." < 1287970933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm American. There's lots of idiots, they're loud, and they think that OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY DER HEALTHCARE. < 1287970945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I see this all the FUCKING TIME. ON BUMPER STICKERS. < 1287970957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THAT OBAMA IS OUT TO GET THEIR HEALTHCARE. < 1287970958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is actually bisexual... < 1287970971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do I give a damn? Nope! < 1287970973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how calamari equated an online dating page with saying you're bi in real life though. < 1287970975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nor do I. < 1287970977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But calamari was being stupid. < 1287970982 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, that's not quite the point. The point is that if she's not bi, I'm certain she's gay < 1287970999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And it's fun to mock people who have you on /ignore! < 1287971002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention calamari fucks goats? < 1287971006 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, gotcha < 1287971039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: His Wikipedia page should say someone claimed that! < 1287971054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As long as it's referenced to the log! < 1287971106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In fact, I'll create an article about "The third letter of the sentence of 2010-10-25 where 'elliott' stated that calamari fucks goats in #esoteric." < 1287971111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the tenth month? < 1287971115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate month numbers vs. month names. < 1287971120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287971122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Completely off-topic, but have you stopped sending out broken HTML which inexplicably starts with an xml statement yet? < 1287971131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Drop it :P < 1287971143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's far better to convert to HTML 5 than to send XHTML properly, anyway. < 1287971144 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have you stopped beating your wife? < 1287971154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 無 < 1287971156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is the tenth month. < 1287971184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But the thing is, you actually are sending out broken HTML which inexplicably starts with an xml statement. < 1287971189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is showing me MM/DD/YYYY by default < 1287971191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: Drop it :P < 1287971207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is not a webserver. < 1287971220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But he operates one. < 1287971243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he literally is. < 1287971245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels giddy < 1287971257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How many damn emotions do you reel through in a day? < 1287971263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how many of them *don't* you announce to us? < 1287971271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Any websplat updates recently? < 1287971289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what other emotions have I announced? < 1287971297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Don't you do it often? < 1287971299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure you do it often. < 1287971312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes mention when I'm feeling giddy < 1287971322 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although never said it with tat word before < 1287971324 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1287971331 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just ANNOYINGLY moving favicon goombas to the server. < 1287971339 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They're ... kinda slow clientside sometimes :P < 1287971361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You know, it doesn't have to be PHP. < 1287971364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do administrate your own web server :P < 1287971373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could just make an imagemagick shell script. < 1287971378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... I dunno, $your_favourite_language. < 1287971380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebSplat uses some serverside stuff? < 1287971381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is, tragically, what I'm most comfortable with. < 1287971386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? < 1287971388 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not until now :( < 1287971392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like seriously seriously? < 1287971396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You code in C, JavaScript and PHP? < 1287971402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly I don't like you any more :P < 1287971415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And Python, Perl when I need to, C++, Java, ... < 1287971416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C isn't bad. JavaScript arguably isn't bad. < 1287971423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it in Python? Apparently PIL is quiet nice < 1287971431 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ooh that means I need to make a copy of the current code < 1287971438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Javascript is the result of trying to sneak good into a bad idea. < 1287971444 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ...? < 1287971446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worked quite well. < 1287971459 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe PHP : Gregor :: Python : Sgeo ? < 1287971460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He believes that rm is the work of the devil. < 1287971467 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: because up till now it's independent < 1287971484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yeah, it sucks to put this serverside, but alas I have no choice :( < 1287971500 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That being said, the dependence is still restricted to one module, and can be removed by changing one line. < 1287971504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what was the bad idea? < 1287971517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Scripting language that's like Java. < 1287971529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: With 2 weeks to implement it. < 1287971578 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, wow. Worst history of JavaScript ever. < 1287971578 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if the idea is the best programming language for any purpose ever, time constraints like that can't be good. < 1287971635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1287971674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I implement my Logication clone, I should probably try to do the AJAX stuff myself than look for a framework that does it magically for me, right? Just like, say, learning HTML rather than DreamWeaver < 1287971720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just use jQuery. < 1287971724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 361@601D fuck! < 1287971727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid favicon things < 1287971732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was planning to < 1287971745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, jQuery as opposed to making something with that Wt thingy or similar < 1287971751 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do it yourself, then use jQuery when you try to port it to anything :) < 1287971754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That automatically writes the JavaScript or whatever < 1287971758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287971771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How come I can scroll at all? < 1287971775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't the scrollbar be totally disabled? < 1287971780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Seriously, that's Javascript. Netscape wanted a Java-like scripting language, gave the poor sap 2 weeks to write it. < 1287971788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And he spent those 2 weeks trying to make it not suck. < 1287971788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it two? < 1287971794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall that exact figure. < 1287971799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Seem to recall it being two. < 1287971803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dood, websplat on havenworks < 1287971804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get on it < 1287971817 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, minor bug report: might just be firefox, but space bar jumps once then doesn't work after that < 1287971821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't disable the scrollbar (maybe?), and besides it should stop you from effectively scrolling anyway ... < 1287971829 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Now THAT'S bizarre ... < 1287971832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can't you assert the viewport as smaller though? < 1287971839 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can JUMP? < 1287971840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or whatever. < 1287971843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287971846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Jump, and duck... < 1287971849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And double jump... < 1287971853 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: But reproducible! Hm. < 1287971863 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1287971881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, that's right, you can still vertically scroll ... bleh, fixable but not worth it IMHO :P < 1287971890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8vlIn02JY theme for December 2009 < 1287971893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Metaplace < 1287971957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the favicon guy is humping the border of the column. < 1287971958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disturbing < 1287971975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't judge him! < 1287971976 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some Intenet hormones < 1287971993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intenet... hormones? < 1287972007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wait, you *like* that song? < 1287972008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't even play back the 480p version of this. < 1287972011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I created Metaplace sex < 1287972011 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tried it in opera.. don't do that lol < 1287972012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lawl < 1287972043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm going to make a lossy 720p version. < 1287972049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...but that already exists. < 1287972064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to WATCH it do you?!?!?! :| :P < 1287972065 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most important files on the damaged HD relate to Metaplace < 1287972074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But it'd take less time to do the encode myself and then watch it. < 1287972074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, important sentementally < 1287972081 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pictures, some chat logs < 1287972087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metaplace doesn't exist anymore < 1287972089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo can't spell! < 1287972102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sentimentally < 1287972157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it is totally too hard to kill enemies :P < 1287972160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I drop down to kill I get killed. < 1287972176 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Waaaah I died again waaaah. < 1287972179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should have, like, a larger collision box only when checking if you killed or not. >_> < 1287972182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No srsly < 1287972184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was right above it < 1287972186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dropped down < 1287972190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One pixel difference meant I died :| < 1287972193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah < 1287972194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waaaah < 1287972200 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I can find the one picture I have a copy of < 1287972203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sex in this one < 1287972207 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were RIGHT ABOVE IT, you would have killed it. You were slightly left or right of it. < 1287972209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sex oh how disappointing. < 1287972216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was right above it. I did not predict the precise pixel movement. < 1287972225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, falling slightly to the right of it when it's moving left is a ... terrible way to die. < 1287972229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blar, I can still make it easier, I just don wanna X-D < 1287972241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH FINE < 1287972242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF I can't find it < 1287972245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We will never complete havenworks :P < 1287972251 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: don't, I like it :) < 1287972272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1287972303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is the last surviving picture I have? < 1287972372 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly have server-side favicon goombas ... < 1287972375 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does web.archive.org have it? < 1287972375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are enemies only simulated when they're on-screen? < 1287972379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Never mind, this'll take a lot of time. < 1287972391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, downloading would be quicker :P < 1287972395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1287972400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait, try making a stereo mix < 1287972403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's probably why it won't play < 1287972407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's just length < 1287972410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, I'm lookinging for a screenshot, so no < 1287972414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no reason Elephants Dream would play and not this. < 1287972417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookinginginginginging < 1287972418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was using the stereo FLAC for playback. < 1287972419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since Sita is easier to compress. < 1287972427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: huh. < 1287972435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tried waiting a day like last time? :P < 1287972440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did that >600 guy die? What on? < 1287972465 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(05:22:49 PM) brianrogers83: Ow. < 1287972466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(05:22:50 PM) brianrogers83: Dead. < 1287972466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(05:22:52 PM) brianrogers83: 889 < 1287972515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...wow. < 1287972524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's... how far down did he get? < 1287972547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask. < 1287972567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gone < 1287972568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR < 1287972571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Don't suppose he said a time recently before that? < 1287972579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could figure out his (approximate, but) total time. < 1287972603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what webpage? < 1287972610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And now I have good reason to do the encode myself. < 1287972612 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely to make a comparision, you need to known he webpage? < 1287972618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's an average bitrate encode! < 1287972620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: EVIL. < 1287972622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lawl < 1287972634 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I didn't tell him to give times :( < 1287972637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just do it with a low non-zero quantiser in x264 or something :P < 1287972642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You quoted one time, I think. < 1287972643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, no, no. < 1287972646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with the amount of pauses... < 1287972649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why not? < 1287972654 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll target a certain quality instead. < 1287972655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: HavenWorks. < 1287972659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: We're only playing on HavenWorks. < 1287972660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bah :P < 1287972663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Perfect" < 1287972665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Let x264 use very high quantisers when it wouldn't matter. < 1287972680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually... you could probably quantise it a bit and still get a lossless encode, right? < 1287972682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's so simple? < 1287972683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1287972685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how itw orks. < 1287972688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it works. < 1287972720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantisation is removing information from the discrete cosine transform so that it can be packed in less space. < 1287972748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not from him. < 1287972754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh. Who was that from? < 1287972760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, right, still. Bah :P < 1287972767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /me should be doing homework < 1287972773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrr extraneous space fail < 1287972774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ...fail < 1287972780 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The one with times was a Michael, this is a Brian :P < 1287972785 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: maybe this is too Mario-ish, but how about killing by double-jumping underneath? < 1287972789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What did Michael get? :P < 1287972793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is too Marioish. < 1287972796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, now I'm giddy < 1287972799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice to have to be careful with jumps. < 1287972803 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't recall and I don't want to check 'cuz I'm doin' stuff :P < 1287972811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1287972817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't wanna leave IRC < 1287972873 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how low he can make his alarm clock now that he has external speakers < 1287972949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, what I'm going to do is play games tonight and watch this film tomorrow. Because it seems awesome. < 1287972969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What a plan :P < 1287972986 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conveniently, he posted this to describe his location: http://xyzw.org/files/websplat.png < 1287972990 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^^^ < 1287972994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Heh. < 1287972995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh gawd, I fell again. < 1287973005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...holy shit. < 1287973008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The man is a machine. < 1287973023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I... tell him to play some more. < 1287973056 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To be fair, we have no idea how long it took him to get that far :P < 1287973083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not as long as us. < 1287973216 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cracks his knuckles and tries HavenWorks again. < 1287973242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 539@1329 currently < 1287973245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My best score so far. < 1287973249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a short break < 1287973249 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shopping.mid < 1287973270 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New suffix: "A" means alive and still playing, "F" means alive but forfeited. < 1287973273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suffixes < 1287973283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alive and still playing can just be foo@bar. < 1287973292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's images@time[endgameresult], isn't it? < 1287973297 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wurve suffixes! :P < 1287973297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes the most sense. < 1287973305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because foo@bar becomes foo@barD if you die. < 1287973312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally makes sense :P < 1287973316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: F for forfeited is good though. < 1287973331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Although couldn't you just say "x@y and I give up"? :P < 1287973356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy, tons of enemies in one place. < 1287973375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killed! < 1287973381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could also say "x@y and I died" < 1287973388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Touche :P < 1287973393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Touché < 1287973424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebSplat has enemies now? < 1287973434 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I shouuld be willing to open Chrome < 1287973437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or IE < 1287973462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shit big fall. < 1287973467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: IE doesn't work. < 1287973469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's had enemies for days. < 1287973472 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no desire to install Firefox < 1287973530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 609@1659D < 1287973561 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WTFs at "OBAMA TV" < 1287973568 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287973585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This game would be good at improving children's literacy! < 1287973594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, I doubt that :P < 1287973606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could sell it as that though :P < 1287973662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dude, you should play. :P < 1287973745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :59! < 1287973774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION let some dog put him out of his misery < 1287973784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh what. < 1287973790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Two dogs were on top of each other (har har har). < 1287973793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I jumped and killed one. < 1287973799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The other then managed to move and kill me. < 1287973813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I could move. < 1287973834 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's pretty wonky ... < 1287973851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, I didn't see it before it happened -- they were below me. So I may not be representing it entirely accurately. But whatever :P < 1287973864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumped, saw dog die, rebounded, dog whacked me. < 1287973874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before rebound, did not notice dog moving really. < 1287973878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been there. < 1287973891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is harder than Luigi's Purple Coins. < 1287973902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you've ever played Luigi's Purple Coins, you know that's saying something. < 1287973944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You said you were gonna play games, play this one :P < 1287974035 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chance of falling in such a way that an enemy kills you = falling damage 8-D < 1287974098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I... no :P < 1287974102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1287974103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I see < 1287974110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're saying it's already there, statistically :P < 1287974145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stochastic falling damage ;) < 1287974158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stochastically, that was the word I was looking for :P < 1287974200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The enemies seem to be more numerous this time around >__> < 1287974224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't. < 1287974227 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're probably just higher. < 1287974235 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't try very hard to spread them evenly. < 1287974266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No shit :P < 1287974285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The new bounding boxes are way better, btw. < 1287974294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've come out on the right end of a few close calls. < 1287974351 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(09:36:16 PM) brianrogers83: Laptop arrow keys are not very ergonomic. If I make another attempt, it will be with a Wiimote. < 1287974376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude... tell him about WASD. < 1287974390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...wait < 1287974394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He did all that with laptop arrow keys? < 1287974398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WTF IS HE ACTUALLY HUMAN < 1287974401 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently >_> < 1287974406 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently not, respectively. < 1287974435 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SHIIIIIIII < 1287974443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He didn't even go slowly, according to that time in the 3000s. < 1287974454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What did you get? :P < 1287974465 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not dead, I just fell somewhere perhaps-irrecoverable. < 1287974467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUCK < 1287974471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 379@665D < 1287974496 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, can't get up from here. < 1287974503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Where are you? < 1287974505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshawt < 1287974506 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There go my dreams of perfect completion :( < 1287974518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :( < 1287974525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's the bloody enemies. *obvious* < 1287974543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is your chance to use the F suffix! < 1287974549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell us your final score and time! < 1287974550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287974570 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too busy weeping openly. < 1287974584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287974587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but srsly, what score < 1287974628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :556@1800 < 1287974669 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so bad about arrow keys?? < 1287974688 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\?\?/?/ < 1287974696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: on laptops < 1287974702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That time is... pitiful :P < 1287974704 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O....k < 1287974709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they are small. < 1287974731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was taking it slow, trying to be complete and not die. < 1287974732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O....k < 1287974736 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/websplat-2010-10-24-whereTheHellAmI.png < 1287974746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ...are you deliberately being dense? < 1287974751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being deliberately dense? < 1287974757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try the rightmost column. < 1287974763 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O....k [j/k on that one] < 1287974763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sometimes there are hidden platforms there. < 1287974764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Seriously.) < 1287974772 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These arrow keys are a little smaller, but so what < 1287974772 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... OK, I will. < 1287974776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also... rocking Raleigh there I see :P < 1287974811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to do homework at some point < 1287974815 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD OH GOD NO HIDDEN PLATFORMS OH GOD WHYYYYY < 1287974878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try on the left. < 1287974885 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well now I'm REALLY stuck :P < 1287974886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then try autoerotic asphyxiation. < 1287974893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do it in reverse! < 1287974902 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/websplat-2010-10-24-2-imInHell.png < 1287974936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH DIED STUPIDLY < 1287974960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Facebook: If you actually used my information, you'd know I'm an atheist. So why are you advertising a dating site with Christian girls? However interested I may be in them, if they're on such a site, they're not going to be interrested in me < 1287974962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interested < 1287975001 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They probably target those ads at atheists in hopes of converting. < 1287975005 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/websplat-2010-10-24-3-DAMNYOUHAVENWORKS.png < 1287975012 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :598@2115D < 1287975017 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for a different strategy ... < 1287975034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oho, an Xfce user. < 1287975040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you're not a racist? < 1287975043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it's just that since religious views is a text field... < 1287975044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, xfwm4. < 1287975092 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What church were you raised in?" < 1287975107 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How often do you attend church?" < 1287975110 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287975122 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287975132 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about I not give you my actual zip code < 1287975145 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or my name < 1287975147 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up < 1287975233 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you select anything but "Every Sunday and for social visits" for "How often do you attend church?", it won't let you register. < 1287975257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *Every day < 1287975262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I live in the church." < 1287975280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, this is a dating site for monks, is it? < 1287975288 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, seriously? < 1287975295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got to asking me for name and DOB < 1287975298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1287975301 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I put "special occasions" < 1287975302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Chastise monks. < 1287975307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1287975309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not chastise. < 1287975310 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well if you were raised in a church, you may as well continue to live there. < 1287975310 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bashes his head into the wall that is Sgeo. < 1287975310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celibate! < 1287975324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote * Gregor bashes his head into the wall that is Sgeo. < 1287975330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NO HACK :| < 1287975333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add it to quotes.db manually mon < 1287975336 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down for the indefinite future. < 1287975352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your MO < 1287975358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M is down for the indefinite future. < 1287975527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE ASK ABOUT MY NEW ESOLANG < 1287975532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... or just die. < 1287975535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's only slightly eso. < 1287975536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. < 1287975539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's your new esolang? < 1287975545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I basically ripped the idea off of cpressey who ripped it off of me. < 1287975548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: NO SOMEONE INTERESTING < 1287975550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Sgeo cuts himself] < 1287975557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not interesting? < 1287975561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Sgeo cuts himself] < 1287975598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know you're just using my name as a placeholder for yourself in your fantasies < 1287975608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1287975612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... I fantasise about cutting myself... < 1287975672 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cuts elliott < 1287975939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You still playing? < 1287975988 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, my fingers exploded. < 1287976137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll play if you do :P < 1287976237 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287976263 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1287976435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's fingers have overloaded so much that he can't type. < 1287976683 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottfingers [ explode ] each < 1287976761 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Rarely, things need to get done that AREN'T websplat :P < 1287976772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bahahahahahahahahahaha at 3:19 am? < 1287976773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH RIGHT < 1287976779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore websplat due to logic. < 1287976788 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 10:19PM. < 1287976794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MAYBE IN COMMUNIST TIME < 1287976815 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I checked, YOU'RE closer to the REDS. < 1287976865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YOU are the reds. < 1287976915 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FriendComputer < 1287976931 0 :FriendComputer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attention: Free t-shirts will be given to all communists. < 1287976941 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NOW THEN, BACK TO THE FRAY < 1287976942 0 :FriendComputer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please report to the nearest termination booth for your free t-shirt. < 1287976954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ME TOO BITCH < 1287976991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wouldn't it be great if it turns out there's two images that are too far apart to get both, and there's no way up after you go down one? < 1287977012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That... would be something like the opposite of great. < 1287977038 0 :FriendComputer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1287977040 0 :FriendComputer!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1287977045 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 0 homework done < 1287977308 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a large essay < 1287977310 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sucks < 1287977398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN ARGH < 1287977408 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :290@435D I suck so much. < 1287977412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*retry* < 1287977487 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the second number? < 1287977497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Time. < 1287977501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 432@929D dammit < 1287977560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Thought: Maybe we could do it one column at a time. < 1287977562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way back up? < 1287977565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it zig-zag. < 1287977569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That was my strategy. < 1287977573 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gave it up. < 1287977575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lawl < 1287977581 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was going right-to-left since it's usually easier to scale a left column. < 1287977587 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's how I ended up screwed :P < 1287977598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Worth trying, do you think? < 1287977608 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure, just don't make the same mistake I did :P < 1287977639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Any strategy tips from Mr. Inhuman? :P < 1287977654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, did you do the little columns at the same time as the big one? < 1287977657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's a few little column. < 1287977659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*columns. < 1287977668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically the one to the right of Weblog, with all the pictures in it. < 1287977672 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I did. < 1287977689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asking 'bout tips. < 1287977722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So what mistake did you make? :P < 1287977764 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: While I was climbing down the second-from-the-right column, I slipped a bit and discovered that the bottom of that column goes WAY farther than the others. As a result I slipped a LOT. < 1287977771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1287977774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Um, question. < 1287977779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How many actual columns did you do at a time? < 1287977782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One big plus two small? < 1287977784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One big plus one small? < 1287977787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One big plus three small? < 1287977797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't count the really thin blue-background one as a real column, rightwards.) < 1287977800 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did one big plus any smalls between it and the next big. < 1287977807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's only two bigs. < 1287977821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider four of them to be bigs. < 1287977827 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All but the tiny ones, really *shrugs* < 1287977833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's only one tiny one :P < 1287977839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't have much in it at all. < 1287977890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FUCKING < 1287977891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOG < 1287977891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA I SUCK < 1287977891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIECE < 1287977892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF < 1287977892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSHOLE < 1287977893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIT < 1287977895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just accidentally CLICKED ON A LINK < 1287977899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz I'm awesome. < 1287977900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xDDDDD < 1287977905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :260@370D < 1287977906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There goes that game. < 1287977914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How... did you do that. < 1287977923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm just going to move the mouse now! On to this link! And press the button!" < 1287977928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WHOOPS" < 1287977933 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I had clicked the address bar to pause, then chose a bad point to click back into the game. < 1287977939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287977952 0 :Decarabia!~root@S010600240171528a.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287977958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decarabia IRCs as root < 1287977966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he's Canadian. < 1287977973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm totally retryin' < 1287977977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, you did the huge top bit first, right? < 1287977981 0 :branan!~branan@c-24-20-30-104.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287977984 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how does websplat handle tables? < 1287977984 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well part of that is correct. < 1287978020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: TDs are never considered platforms. Uhh, and that's pretty much it. < 1287978021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah. < 1287978042 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287978051 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287978058 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nice! < 1287978061 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Feel free to just read the relevant code, it's really not that complicated. < 1287978067 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1287978098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Specifically look at the initElementPlatforms function < 1287978108 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1287978135 0 :Chachi!~WHAT@97-124-45-71.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287978136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So, I should do the second-to-last column last, right? < 1287978141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, wtf at influx of new people. < 1287978161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashdfiosdzgdgjdg < 1287978164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :225@264D < 1287978172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't recommend my strategy :P < 1287978178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I RECOMMEND YOUR STRATEGY < 1287978206 0 :caitie!~caitie@184.77.204.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287978233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1287978241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decarabia, brana, Chachi, caitie. < 1287978247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you guys come from :P < 1287978254 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mommy < 1287978264 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elsewhere. < 1287978271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now more usefully, answer that question < 1287978275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFLUX i tell you < 1287978287 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same place, elliott < 1287978298 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in-flux < 1287978300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gathered it was all one place, the question is which place it was that was the place. < 1287978304 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good place to bathe < 1287978317 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foonetic. xkcd-folks told us about this place < 1287978323 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a rather backwater IRC network < 1287978324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1287978327 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was generally called "the best computer science channel ever" < 1287978333 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here we are < 1287978334 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god? < 1287978334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia? < 1287978335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo? < 1287978337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one was it < 1287978350 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quint. < 1287978350 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1287978364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION infinite facepalm < 1287978376 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1287978380 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you? < 1287978383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott? < 1287978390 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a leader-man? < 1287978399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I lead this tribe into lands unheard of. < 1287978403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we rape and pillage everyone. < 1287978416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not deliberately introduce anyone to #esoteric today < 1287978426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's lynch him anyway! < 1287978454 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1287978475 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well I kinda got this travesty working < 1287978480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decarabia: Chachi: caitie: branan: http://codu.org/websplat/ play this on http://havenworks.com/ if you want to totally get in the mood for this channel. Since it's all we've been doing for days. < 1287978488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bother Gregor with your endless bug reports of silliness. Mwahaha. < 1287978493 0 :CatSandwich!~NikcSandw@cpe-24-58-3-201.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287978515 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What IS with the influx of people. < 1287978515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the last time we had this many people we were on reddit. < 1287978531 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing we're about to get botnet-flooded. < 1287978535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: quintopia decided that telling an xkcd channel that we exist < 1287978537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a grand idea. < 1287978548 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287978549 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why were youon reddit? are you famous? < 1287978550 0 :CatSandwich!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of your friends on foonetic mentioned this channel < 1287978552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caitie: Yes. < 1287978557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're famous rapists-and-pillagers. < 1287978559 0 :CatSandwich!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in #xkcd, don't worry about that < 1287978560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We offer discounts. < 1287978582 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have died on havenworks SO MANY TIMES in SO MANY STUPID WAYS < 1287978584 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It makes my brain hurt. < 1287978589 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can get a rape off? < 1287978591 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O it's like the perfect websplat page < 1287978593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's what she said. < 1287978595 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And yet, I'm not complaining about the collision mechanics :P < 1287978604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :branan: I... you know what websplat is? < 1287978609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has quintopia just been PIPING THIS CHANNEL into there? < 1287978611 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :branan: We're all trying to see who can do the best on it ... we are not doing well :P < 1287978614 0 :CatSandwich!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287978615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You ... just told him? < 1287978634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but, still < 1287978636 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god that site < 1287978642 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not all morons < 1287978644 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts my eyes and my brain < 1287978649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caitie: Oh. We are. < 1287978653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi: You get used to it. < 1287978656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a while you stop seeing colours. < 1287978663 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And see only ... websplat. < 1287978668 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1287978672 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks < 1287978676 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1287978681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi: Then you are not welcome! This is now the official WebSplat channel. < 1287978681 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already partially colorblind < 1287978687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, now you can experience the real thing! < 1287978687 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1287978691 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not on that site < 1287978696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your colourblind now is, like, retarded./ < 1287978701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it whole. < 1287978703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Jesus. < 1287978717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, we're also all devout Christians. < 1287978720 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What a bizarre sequence of words. < 1287978729 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus is full of holes < 1287978744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's what the antelope imbibed after criss-crossing the milk of a father's horticultural orgy. < 1287978776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION resorts to Standard Initiate Procedure en masse < 1287978782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of you: http://esolangs.org/ < 1287978787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1287978789 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again with the babbling < 1287978790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be all. < 1287978812 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i want to click that link? < 1287978820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caitie: Well, it is our website, so yes. < 1287978822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1287978834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually this predates the website and the website was founded independently. But still. < 1287978835 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the website associated with this channel :P < 1287978884 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this esoteric i a prog lang. i see < 1287978885 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, websplat doesn't seem to like loading on that page for me. I'll just blame java and be done with it. Kick ass is all right though. < 1287978910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decarabia: "java" X_X < 1287978911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decarabia: Blaming Java is weird since it doesn't use any. < 1287978933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caitie: Yes, but very rarely are esolangs discussed. We complain a lot though! < 1287978948 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do atleast < 1287978977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, all the endless expanses of complainers are sleeping right now. Also, can I offer you a new spacebar? < 1287978994 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd totally write a bot in one of these < 1287979008 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am too lazy and don't know jack shit about that sort of thing < 1287979033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi: Don't worry: < 1287979034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Babble! < 1287979036 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: almost fell asleep here. :p http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ drunk_blogging probably has some trivial procedure to do it, actually? < 1287979037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1287979039 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1287979042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi: See that link for the full horror. < 1287979047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Lovecraftian. < 1287979068 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main priority right now is keeping warm, not typing well < 1287979082 0 :Chfan!~chatzilla@c-98-216-78-20.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287979094 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the time my cat tried to type < 1287979107 0 :Chfan!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287979117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHA, elliott: (10:56:48 PM) brianrogers83: Complete SMB2j and unlock the bonus worlds. Then you'll be good at websplat. < 1287979130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OH BOY THAT SOUNDS LIKE ENDLESS FUN. < 1287979140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ALTHOUGH MAYBE I'LL KILL MYSELF INSTEAD < 1287979142 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's your advice :P < 1287979145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You asked for it :P < 1287979153 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI BILLY MAYS HERE < 1287979248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HavenWorks.com+A-Z and then the beta pages thing is the end of the first column, right? < 1287979253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1287979258 0 :CatSandwich!~NikcSandw@cpe-24-58-3-201.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287979262 0 :CatSandwich!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello again < 1287979291 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi CatSandwich < 1287979297 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches elliott scramble at splatting :P < 1287979299 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't mind the causticness < 1287979343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 316@769D fuck. < 1287979348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your method does indeed suck :P < 1287979364 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, that's why I'm not using it any more :P < 1287979418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think certain people's habits of distrusting anyone I bring here has been extended to anyone broght here by anyone < 1287979481 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has homework he needs to do :/ < 1287979591 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1287979603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How's your current game going? < 1287979728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :299@403D >_< < 1287979732 0 :CatSandwich!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287979851 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It went outside with the fire alarm :P < 1287979868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's fingers caught fire. < 1287979873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or wait, was that your joke < 1287979877 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing SO HARD < 1287979889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 'cuz i'm totally playing and you're lagging behind < 1287979890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pressure < 1287979898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but i just hit 700 < 1287979946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: note: lies < 1287980076 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287980157 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye all < 1287980184 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1287980187 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 252@260D GOD I SUCK < 1287980197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes you do. 364@1390 atm. < 1287980213 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i54.tinypic.com/iycsw2.png <-- best - thing - ever < 1287980215 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-97-98-199.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287980222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh god < 1287980225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes! < 1287980442 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: NO U < 1287980445 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1287980464 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, back into the fray .. < 1287980532 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Especially with codu.org because the hat has a fucking hat. < 1287980542 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo dawg, I heard you like... oh n/m < 1287980638 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION configures his joystick. < 1287980751 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't know what would be the financial equivalent of "list comprehensions" or "co-routines". Do you have an idea? < 1287980759 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the legal equivalent! < 1287980793 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say they're trying to blow our minds, but I know it isn't true; they're just clueless. < 1287980855 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, not sure about pizzas. < 1287980864 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally saw the WP article on it so it must be true < 1287980941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 424@1013D < 1287981120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i stole your language, rho < 1287981137 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287981199 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: give it back, thief! < 1287981201 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor, you should try Townlands. The long fall is very relaxing. < 1287981228 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found blog posts with lots of comments provide an opportunity to do a long drop down the left edge collecting avatar icons. < 1287981239 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something very NES about that. < 1287981280 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi catseye < 1287981330 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a roguelike question for you < 1287981347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How goes the joysticking? < 1287981358 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not as much better as I'd hoped :P < 1287981366 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari < 1287981368 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Unknown runtime error" < 1287981376 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is blinded by the fail < 1287981383 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beautiful, beautiful fail < 1287981386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Chrome. < 1287981394 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Cooooool. < 1287981414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh shit, huge fall again. < 1287981415 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was IE9 from context, but yeah, there is no way you could get your hands on one so quick, i would think < 1287981423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...epic fall. < 1287981425 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: so I have an idea for the action of a multiplayer roguelike that somewhat retains turn-based movement: if any player moves, then the monsters get a chance to move. however, the monsters are not able to attack anyone who hasn't taken a turn yet. < 1287981475 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: would that "feel" roguelike, in your opinion? < 1287981493 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: i'm not sure < 1287981508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can sort of climb up text using the ragged edge... < 1287981544 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol you guys still trying to beat that huge political page? < 1287981650 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: i suppose, except it seems like the monsters might have an incredible speed advantage if they can move every time *any* player moves... < 1287981710 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: yeah they would. not sure how to balance that.. let's say I took a fraction of players, now if only one player moves, he is then super fast comparedto the monster < 1287981716 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: If I was designing TeX, instead of Knuth, it would not have a \outer command. The \outer command can cause a lot of problems. < 1287981723 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 should totally design Knuth < 1287981734 0 :caitie!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287981766 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: 507@1096D :( < 1287981768 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : catseye: I'm sorry, wrong, that WAS IE9. I got a similar nonsense error from Chrome. < 1287981850 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287981867 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287981926 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you try the mario level? < 1287981957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 336@500D < 1287981967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I need a PS3 controller. < 1287981988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Although what the PS3 controller needs is the analogue stick to be where the useless d-pad is. < 1287981992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*D-pad < 1287982000 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ...huh? < 1287982007 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://70.162.184.205:980/mario.html < 1287982011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For this you definitely need a D-pad. < 1287982028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not if you assign down to a button. < 1287982033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: For instance, one of the Ls or Rs. < 1287982039 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, fair enough. < 1287982049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now you go try that :P (Except... maybe the back toggle on the joystick?) < 1287982053 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That will definitely not work. < 1287982061 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it works < 1287982078 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ... HOW oh wait ... damn, does this work how I fear it works >_O < 1287982095 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, if that works I have no idea why. < 1287982095 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I didn't use tables.. just pre < 1287982122 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: But it doesn't consider every individual character to be a platform ... < 1287982137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think calamari needs schooling on HTML. < 1287982142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I checked there is no f element. < 1287982144 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope because the spaces aren't surrounded by tags < 1287982151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, uh < 1287982152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1287982171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...whoa wtf.
< 1287982173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... calamari's code is as insane as he is, I guess.
< 1287982183 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah it's definitely not pretty
< 1287982201 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed a tag.. f works, has no side effects
< 1287982209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f isn't a tag
< 1287982214 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is
< 1287982229 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1287982233 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :html ignores tags it doesn't understand
< 1287982238 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's valid
< 1287982245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1287982260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the worst definition of validity ever, and the worst attribution of *actions* to an *abstract specifications* ever too.
< 1287982262 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that kills my browser.
< 1287982273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy eff it DOES work O_O
< 1287982277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<"I¬<>> :R~@Q"*)I¬ &poop;_<
< 1287982457 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: open to suggestions :)
< 1287982462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stands on a cloud.
< 1287982475 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's fun :)
< 1287982475 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Well, given that your input is presumably an image, you're kinda stuck :P
< 1287982488 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is you should have actual elements for bricks, pipes, etc.
< 1287982506 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1287982514 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you wouldn't be able to sink into objects too
< 1287982557 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly I'm surprised it didn't just shit itself and die :P
< 1287982567 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too lol
< 1287982761 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : When did this channel become #nih?
< 1287982766 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to see
< 1287982773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: wut
< 1287982784 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there was no #nih... UNTIL NOW
< 1287982826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I don't like your #nih.
< 1287982828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating ##nih.
< 1287982837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I designed it to be how *I* wantedi t.
< 1287982839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wanted it.
< 1287982847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating ##nih-developers and ##nih-users
< 1287982882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE I ALREADY DID
< 1287982886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Gregor forks ##nih]
< 1287982902 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#gnih
< 1287982906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor's #nih)
< 1287982988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review
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< 1287983010 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:  Can you make it Alise's Gregor's NIH instead?
< 1287983021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make Frederick's Alise's Gregor's NIH
< 1287983029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: #aegnih, Alise's Elliott's Gregor's NIH
< 1287983031 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, get somebody named Frederick to do it.
< 1287983035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wait, we're rebranding! #ægnih
< 1287983040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a valid channel name
< 1287983043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't stop our ambitions.
< 1287983064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've always wanted to call someone a fæg.
< 1287983072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both fags AND fegs!
< 1287983173 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Psst, cpressey doesn't know this, but I've totally stolen his language.
< 1287983183 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah give it back, asshole
< 1287983204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: but you don't even know what it is yet!
< 1287983233 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yet"?
< 1287983240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: well you could ASK ME
< 1287983253 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already identified it as Rho
< 1287983305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: well it's slightly different.
< 1287983308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, really.
< 1287983311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i never knew much about rho
< 1287983373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wikia redesigned again http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
< 1287983374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond hideous.
< 1287983565 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1287983870 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody know of a way to mirror a page and embed all images as data URLs?
< 1287983906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. sed and wget.
< 1287983913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or, well, curl.
< 1287983935 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because sed finds and converts images to data URLs X_X
< 1287983950 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think wget has a flag to do magic and pull down all the images along with all the HTML data
< 1287983960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :branan: that doesn't help make them into data: uris
< 1287983967 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :branan: It does, the difficult step is converting them all to data URIs
< 1287983983 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be doable with sed and a bit of magic
< 1287983994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: curl page; s/]+) src=([^ ]+)/_<
< 1287984105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering if a page like HavenWorks would actually be smaller that way.
< 1287984115 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the images are so small and a HTTP request is not tiny.
< 1287984119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Unlikely, since it uses the same image a *lot*.
< 1287984131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That red-on-yellow cross thing.
< 1287984135 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah, it uses the same image over and over, right.
< 1287984138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BUT
< 1287984139 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foobarbarf.
< 1287984140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Omgomgomg
< 1287984144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could do it with JS.
< 1287984144 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1287984151 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... true.
< 1287984155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Have an array of images, then have some code that goes through a bunch of img elements and sets it.
< 1287984164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i.e. by having each image become a class instead.
< 1287984168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1287984168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION so on it
< 1287984177 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, 'cuz I really didn't want to do that :P
< 1287984233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You'll also want to minify the HTML, of course.
< 1287984238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... why? :P
< 1287984263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pure intellectual curiosity about bandwidth.
< 1287984272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's one thing I love it's pointlessness!
< 1287984491 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1287984576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Apparently there are only two images on the entire page...
< 1287984578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf beautiful soup
< 1287984588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win.
< 1287984620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1287984620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1287984621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1287984621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :News Reference Facts Information Sources Intelligence Haven Works !-) < 1287984622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 ELECTION News < 1287984625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: havenworks is just that crazy. < 1287984628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice the < 1287984646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, uh < 1287984648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to use a different parser. < 1287984654 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow X-D < 1287984713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ohh, it's too new a Beautiful Soup. < 1287984727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They removed an underlying module in Python 3 and so Beautiful Soup 3.1 uses a less robust parser. < 1287984731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Ubuntu packages it because fuck you. < 1287984743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, believe it or not, HTML parsers have to deal with a *lot* of bullshit. < 1287984747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 3.1 series has been abandoned. The 3.0 series is still under development; use it instead." < 1287984765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not valid HTML or XHTML or, indeed, valid anything. < 1287984780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drops in BeautifulSoup.py < 1287984782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wickedlocal.com/swampscott/news/lifestyle/columnists/x124609719/DAN-KLINE-COLUMN-Movie-critics-have-lost-all-credibility On another note, this is STUPID. < 1287984786 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUUUPIIID. < 1287984787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, *now* it works. < 1287984797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that the one where he says-- yup < 1287984801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :animated films are for KIDS guddurnit! < 1287984816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also the one where he disliked the film. < 1287984820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile Japan stares at Daniel B. Kline and says, "You show your KIDS that shit? Jesus man... you're fucked up." < 1287984830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's funny because Japan is perverted) < 1287984835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw that for the first time. (so much for playing games) < 1287984843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DOOD HAVENWORKS WEBSPLAT < 1287984844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS THE ONLY < 1287984855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as per *absolutely usual*, Up was a brilliant film by Pixar. < 1287984863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up is indeed awesome. < 1287984865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: omg it uses no css at all < 1287984866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1287984867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a single bit < 1287984877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, are they capable of making a film that isn't at least pretty good?) < 1287984888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Steve Jobs and the Fart App < 1287984898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh dear God nonono. < 1287984901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OH YES < 1287984905 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unsurprising, this is 1992 web "design" < 1287984928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Rate the awesomeness of this class name from 9 to 100000000: < 1287984932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :images_navigation_indexbox_HavenGIFs_thumbs_TELECOMMUNICATIONS_News_TELECOM_News_COMMUNICATIONS_News_TELEPHONE_News_PHONE_News_gif < 1287984949 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your scale doesn't go high enough. < 1287984957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A(G64,G64) + 1 < 1287984958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Geocities "design". < 1287984962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the new maximum. < 1287984967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, geocities is like < 1287984968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three columns at MOST < 1287984973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is geocities raised to an art form < 1287984978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with... surprising structure < 1287984982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually *organised* < 1287984983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just terribly. < 1287984990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're right, it's the *paragon* of Geocities design. < 1287985012 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287985014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :News Reference Facts Information Sources Intelligence HavenWorks.com < 1287985018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHAT AN IMG TAG. < 1287985023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how BeautifulSoup decided to add />. < 1287985026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS IF THAT WILL HELP < 1287985035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wait. This won't render the same, will it? < 1287985041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be too reasonable. < 1287985057 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nooooo idea X-D < 1287985078 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287985078 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can you set the content-disposition of a page from in a meta tag inside it? < 1287985089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I dunno what that even is. < 1287985109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I... hope not. < 1287985142 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: apparently not official HTTP/1.1 material, so, best not go there, I suppose. < 1287985180 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just trying to think of a way to easily make my website be served as actual XHTML. < 1287985199 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :content-disposition can "suggest" the mime type, iirc < 1287985205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Can you change your .htaccess? < 1287985217 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, i am on el cheapo hosting. < 1287985223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Just convert it to HTML 5 :P < 1287985228 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe i can < 1287985236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or HTML 4, if you dislike using working drafts. < 1287985239 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, get on that will you < 1287985247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: s!/>!>!g < 1287985256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: then s/doctypes//g < 1287985262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome, that will be $200 < 1287985285 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm, my site seems to be EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS WHEN I ASKED YOU TO FIX IT < 1287985299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: UNFORTUNATELY THE USER MUST RUN SHELL SCRIPTS FOR THEMSELVES, I CAN ONLY OFFER THEM GUIDANCE < 1287985303 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1287985347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Or HTML 4, if you dislike using working drafts. < 1287985358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because solid, well-adhered-to standards matter in web development :P < 1287985398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, given that we're insisting he use a standard rather than bizarro HTML-with-an-xml-statement, I'd say it does. :P < 1287985404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not. < 1287985406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are. :P < 1287985431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "we" I mean "I". < 1287985438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...there's no getElementsByClass, is there. RAGE < 1287985472 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) There is a getElementsByClassName (or something like that), 2) You really ought to use jQuery since getElementsByClassName doesn't work on IE (but then, who cares) < 1287985478 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, I think it's ByClassName ... < 1287985479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1287985485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, fuck IE. < 1287985498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, including jQuery would bloat the size of the page amazingly :P < 1287985672 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am taking it as something of a challenge to solve in a creative way. I ... might be able to use .htaccess files but I'd have to have one in every directory? That... converting it all to HTML 4 looks more attractive. < 1287985684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 540@1502A < 1287985693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: s/A// < 1287985714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uncaught ReferenceError: getElementsByClassName is not defined < 1287985726 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should experiment with this, though < 1287985730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287985732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need document. < 1287985732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1287985877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No worky :P < 1287985903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What WOULD be awesome though is making a page that links to other pages with data:, which then *link back to the original page*. < 1287985904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quine. < 1287985909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, even just < 1287985910 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smackthemouse.com/xhtmlxml You can totally trust him on web practices because his domain is called smackthemouse.com and in his picture he looks like he's out hunting pheasant. < 1287985917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1287985918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1287985919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1287985921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1287985921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1287985923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1287985930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where Y is the source of the second and X the source of the first, in data: form < 1287985947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1287985962 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sobs* < 1287985968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: "On selvmade dog sledge in Ammassalik 1999." < 1287985969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :643@1942D < 1287985970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: selvmade < 1287985973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://www.smackthemouse.com/jesper < 1287986103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: here's the standard not-very-helpful rant http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml < 1287986112 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that his main activity "at the moment" is in the past. < 1287986133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Eh? < 1287986148 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... turns out I *can* use .htaccess. http://catseye.tc/ is now truly XHTML! (the front page, anyway) < 1287986159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: now IE doubly unworks! < 1287986161 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my news page breaks! < 1287986168 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeehaw, etc < 1287986171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: lawl < 1287986172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid xml < 1287986186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: SHOULDN'T YOU GENERATE IT WITH XSLT < 1287986188 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Oh god don't get him started. < 1287986203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He started hours ago. Except he isn't being annoying because he just hates you. < 1287986206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a very special way. < 1287986209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is: he loves you. < 1287986217 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I **DO** < 1287986220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Romcom ensues] < 1287986223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What I'm saying is: he loves you. < 1287986223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I **DO** < 1287986224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT YOU < 1287986228 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not him. The him who shall not be named. < 1287986231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh all this marriage. < 1287986239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The p i k to the headquarters? < 1287986244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's whomof I was referringunto. < 1287986246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one. < 1287986248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH < 1287986249 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the "DO" has Energy Wings < 1287986252 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah < 1287986262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now proceed to participate in a terrible gay romcom. < 1287986283 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem. < 1287986285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: What does the PETulant Cursor actually do? < 1287986289 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *do* generate it with XSLT. < 1287986301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Not the news page. Because ... XSLT tools don't spit out invalid XML in my world. < 1287986311 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now please stop leading the conversation in direction where delays cause hilarity to ensue. < 1287986339 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for an offline HTML5 validator... < 1287986355 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I... well I'm pretty sure I am. Maybe I am also screwing with it. Oh... it's because RSS is retarded, probably. < 1287986355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: validator.nu is open source. < 1287986363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: See http://about.validator.nu/. < 1287986377 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way to put tags in RSS entries is to ESCAPE the freaking angle brackets. < 1287986377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has a web service, also. < 1287986385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Just use Atom. Srsly. < 1287986388 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What I want is for it to NOT have a web service. < 1287986392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Therefore use the source. < 1287986400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: take a look at this: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/02/04/incompatible-rss < 1287986403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: prepare to lose faith in humanity < 1287986424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: "There are 9 versions of RSS, all of which are incompatible with various other versions. RSS 0.90 is incompatible with Netscape’s RSS 0.91, Netscape’s RSS 0.91 is incompatible with Userland’s RSS 0.91, Netscape’s RSS 0.91 is incompatible with RSS 1.0, Userland’s RSS 0.91 is incompatible with RSS 0.92, RSS 0.92 is incompatible with RSS 0.93, RSS 0.93 is incompatible with RSS 0.94, RSS 0.94 is incompatible with RSS 2.0, and RSS 2 < 1287986424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.0 is incompatible with itself." < 1287986425 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hope it doesn't take hackery to do so ... *looks* < 1287986444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Python-based build script, it seems. For a Java project :P < 1287986445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... How do RSS readers work at all? < 1287986450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir checker < 1287986450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd checker < 1287986450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn co https://whattf.svn.cvsdude.com/build/trunk/ build < 1287986450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python build/build.py all < 1287986450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python build/build.py all < 1287986455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Yes, the last line is there twice intentionally. Running the script twice tends to fix a ClassCastException on the first run." < 1287986456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Badly! < 1287986464 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1287986474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did I mention that you can't actually tell all these versions apart? < 1287986484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't even *know* which wildly incompatible version you're looking at a lot of the time. < 1287986503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "This means that if a feed contains a element and declares itself as RSS 2.0, it is impossible to know whether the feed is valid unless you also know when the feed was created." < 1287986520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OH MY DEAR GOD THAT'S AWFUL. < 1287986525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK RSS. < 1287986529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mark Pilgrim is my tech writing hero. < 1287986539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never before have such dry facts been so hilarious. < 1287986571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bleh, doesn't have an offline mode. WANT OFFLINE MODE >_< < 1287986574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that RSS 1.0 is the only RSS that is usable. < 1287986585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ??? It's the Java software. < 1287986591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, W3C not being completely and utterly moronic. < 1287986603 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't want to hack it to make it run from a command line. < 1287986618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The source they provides starts a web server. < 1287986624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh. < 1287986628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your mom starts a web server. < 1287986641 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You find me an HTML5 validator, and I will switch everything to HTML5. < 1287986647 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ONE THAT WORKS OFFLINE < 1287986660 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: From a command line < 1287986664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders wtf Gregor wants it for < 1287986671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just interface with the worb sirvir. < 1287986680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Run server locally, use curl < 1287986681 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCH a pain in the ass X_X < 1287986684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Due to being a working standard, impossible. < 1287986686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: PROBLEM SOLVED ^____^ < 1287986700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Erm, working draft. < 1287986701 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's a nonsense copout, there are validators of what exists thusfar. < 1287986705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: However, an HTML4 validator shouldn't be hard. < 1287986706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think the w3c validator is "meant" to be able to do HTML5 now. < 1287986713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq has no idea what HTML 5 is or anything < 1287986716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Grab an SGML validator and the HTML4 doctype. < 1287986718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're FUDding it to the max :P < 1287986719 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also not offline. < 1287986723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Unicorn is. < 1287986731 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is going to take a while to fix < 1287986732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a working draft. Not complete. Subject to change. < 1287986735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://code.w3.org/unicorn/wiki/Documentation/Install < 1287986745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but the W3C version changes very rarely. < 1287986747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Granted, much of it is rather stable, but that's beside the point. < 1287986748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THANK YOU HOORAY < 1287986752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WHATWG one is the one that gets active development. < 1287986754 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doo de doo de doo < 1287986755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HOWEVEREVEREVER < 1287986759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't know how good it is at HTML 5. < 1287986760 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks .htaccess < 1287986788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just do HTML 4 and avoid SGML features that browsers don't parse. :) < 1287986796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It does purport to. So that should be fine. < 1287986796 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly I'd be happy with an HTML4 validator that doesn't barf at "" < 1287986812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie HTML 4 that won't make an HTML 5 validator barf) < 1287986815 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/s/sc [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/win 2 < 1287986824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i concurré < 1287986830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's not valid. < 1287986833 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, familiar with that. i think i link to it on my site < 1287986833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is. < 1287986837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is . < 1287986840 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should just go to atom, yes. < 1287986843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is, as far as I know, not. < 1287986864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If it's a valid HTML 5 doctype it's definitely not a valid XHTML 5 doctype and well it's just silly. < 1287986866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a silly person. < 1287986883 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hate you ALMOST as much as I hate pikhq w.r.t. HTML.' < 1287986901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're the one who said you wanted to use HTML 5. < 1287986905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tellin' you your doctype is wrong :P < 1287986911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it's not. < 1287986926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pulls up the html 5 spec. < 1287986955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gawd it is so slow to load < 1287986960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a faster cpu < 1287986962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to read this spec < 1287986995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fan went on just to display the html 5 spec < 1287987007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay, it is actually valid. < 1287987009 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs easy_munge < 1287987010 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume you pinged me this weekend; I was off judging a massive Magic tourney so I did not see it and it left my scrollback < 1287987012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But still, it's fugly too :P < 1287987016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I did? < 1287987022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: easy_munge? < 1287987029 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: easy_fux0r < 1287987030 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU ARE SERIOUSLY COMPLAINING ABOUT CAPITALIZATION OF THE DOCTYPE TAG. < 1287987031 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD - FUCKING - LORD < 1287987037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm just trying to piss you off. < 1287987052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE IT'S WORKING < 1287987065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR MOTHER DOESN'T WORK < 1287987068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHE WORKS IN THE GREGOR INDUSTRY < 1287987070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHE PRODUCES GREGORS < 1287987076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTUAL PLURAL OF GREGOR: GREGAE < 1287987085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is the site of ONE GREGÆ < 1287987087 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACH PYTHON RE-UPGRADED ITSELF TO FUCKED PYTHON WHEN I INSTALLED REV < 1287987089 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1287987090 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calm < 1287987099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: so how goes BetNSD < 1287987114 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: next trip down there i'm going to get a dmesg < 1287987122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bsd have dmesg? >:) < 1287987133 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of *course* NetBSD has dmesg! < 1287987140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1287987141 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1287987142 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that was dumb < 1287987151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suggest you make it valid HTML 1.0. < 1287987154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287987163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Of *course* NetBSD has < 1287987203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, I know there is no such thing) < 1287987204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh waitg < 1287987205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wait < 1287987213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I need you to run bf_txtgen :P < 1287987217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes there is iirc < 1287987238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The first released version was 1.1. < 1287987246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*released* yes >:) < 1287987247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was a draft. < 1287987256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that it was unversioned. < 1287987261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++>+++++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>++.>>+++.<-.++++++++++.>---.>+.++++++.---.+.<++.<.----------.<-.>>.>+.<<<------------.+++++++++++++++++.---------------.>.>+++.-------.>-. < 1287987261 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of *course* NetBSD has < 1287987277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html32 < 1287987280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks < 1287987298 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++[>+++++++>+++>+++++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>++.>>+++.<-.++++++++++.>---.>+.++++++.---.+.<++.<.----------.<-.>>.>+.<<<------------.+++++++++++++++++.---------------.>.>+++.-------.>-.<<. this one has the trailing space too, hopefully. < 1287987307 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is this damned unicorn :P < 1287987317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it also has the CSS validator and a sofijhdiojiog other validators :P < 1287987319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*It < 1287987339 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my CSS is invalid, as all CSS is, because I had to work around IE bugs :P < 1287987341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does it set to 0 on EOF or no-change? < 1287987351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, I think. < 1287987354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uh, you're doing it wrong. < 1287987357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, all those important IE users visiting your website. < 1287987357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287987360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shut up. < 1287987365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IE supports conditional comments, you see. < 1287987371 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> catseye: What does the PETulant Cursor actually do? < 1287987374 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to run it and see < 1287987378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can make all other things see valid CSS and IE see the broken shit it wants. < 1287987384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i sort of can't < 1287987386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not legally at least :D < 1287987387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def does bf +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++>+++++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>++.>>+++.<-.++++++++++.>---.>+.++++++.---.+.<++.<.----------.<-.>>.>+.<<<------------.+++++++++++++++++.---------------.>.>+++.-------.>-.<<.,[.,]++++[>++++++++<-]>+. < 1287987387 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1287987394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^does NetBSD have whores? < 1287987394 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of *course* NetBSD has NetBSD have whores? < 1287987398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287987400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1287987409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: undef does plz? < 1287987414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you find yourself to be on fire, that would be because my thoughts have escaped my mind and become reality. < 1287987422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def faq bf +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++>+++++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>++.>>+++.<-.++++++++++.>---.>+.++++++.---.+.<++.<.----------.<-.>>.>+.<<<------------.+++++++++++++++++.---------------.>.>+++.-------.>-.<<.,[.,]++++[>++++++++<-]>+. < 1287987423 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1287987427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^faq blackjack and hookers < 1287987428 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of *course* NetBSD has blackjack and hookers < 1287987435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printing out 33 fail. < 1287987440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1287987443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HOW < 1287987450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is 33, it must be zero after the ] < 1287987453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i set to 33 and print < 1287987476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing you're +'ing into might not be zero. < 1287987490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes it might, because the 33-setting comes right after a ]. < 1287987493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, the cell is 0. < 1287987495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh. < 1287987496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I see. < 1287987498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the [>+++] part. < 1287987508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def faq bf +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++>+++++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>++.>>+++.<-.++++++++++.>---.>+.++++++.---.+.<++.<.----------.<-.>>.>+.<<<------------.+++++++++++++++++.---------------.>.>+++.-------.>-.<<.,[.,]>[-]<++++[>++++++++<-]>+. < 1287987509 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1287987514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^faq blackjack and hookers < 1287987515 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of *course* NetBSD has blackjack and hookers! < 1287987531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can I be a jerk and ask for a non-starry version? the slogan has no emphasis >_> < 1287987547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++[>+++++++>+++>+++++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>++.>>+++.<-.>---.>+.++++++.---.+.<++.<.<-.>>.>+.<<<------------.+++++++++++++++++.---------------.>.>+++.-------.>-.<<. < 1287987548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it has no ! either, but < 1287987549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1287987555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, is your page *supposed* to render differently if downloaded via wget -p and then displayed from file:/// ? < 1287987562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def faq bf +++++++++++[>+++++++>+++>+++++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>++.>>+++.<-.>---.>+.++++++.---.+.<++.<.<-.>>.>+.<<<------------.+++++++++++++++++.---------------.>.>+++.-------.>-.<<.,[.,]>[-]<++++[>++++++++<-]>+. < 1287987562 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1287987566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^faq blackjack and hookers < 1287987566 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course NetBSD has blackjack and hookers! < 1287987575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^faq toaster support < 1287987576 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course NetBSD has toaster support! < 1287987577 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YOU CANNOT STILL BE ON THIS FOR FUCKS SAKE < 1287987582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I wanted wget -pk. < 1287987585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1287987590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: All fine. < 1287987590 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I never /ignore people, but you're wandering very close to a /ignore. < 1287987595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^faq a perfect rendering of Gregor's webpage. The problem is, you have to talk to pikhq to get it < 1287987595 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course NetBSD has a perfect rendering of Gregor's webpage. The problem is, you have to talk to pikhq to get it! < 1287987615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I never /ignored people, but then I /ignored some people and discovered how much happier I was. < 1287987621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I ignore a whole two people! < 1287987632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twist: ONE OF THEM IS YOU < 1287987632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hey, someone else brought it up. < 1287987666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You appear to be actually sending out valid XHTML that "works" as HTML in the tag soup parser. So carry on. < 1287987678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just realise you do this to absolutely 0 benefit. < 1287987680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :P < 1287987691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor won't maul you because you said ":P"! < 1287987695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECT PLAN < 1287987715 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wrote that bf text gen.. just fyi.. wouldn't want you to taint yourself :) < 1287987729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: So much for that ignore. :P < 1287987736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, there's better ones < 1287987739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just lazy and egobot has it. < 1287987744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i actually *cared* about fungot... < 1287987745 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: soon to be official phoenix packages ( added fnord, last i checked < 1287987750 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah took it off a while ago < 1287987760 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: was too hard to follow the conversation < 1287987768 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287987796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The power of being vocal. < 1287987810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vocalises < 1287987813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eueruheurueuergheurgheurg < 1287987855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1287987859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must IE suck so hard? < 1287987862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So very hard? < 1287987864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because eurhauheuiguieghuiahriuaregh < 1287987871 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the javascript in chrome is a lot quicker than ff < 1287987906 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can actually move around that mario map without delay < 1287987933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the javascript in chrome is a lot quicker than ff <-- this only being, what, the *single* thing it was advertised with to start with < 1287987940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one other thing ("tabs are in their own process") < 1287987971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And the magic word Google. < 1287987973 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that stuck out to me was it was windows-only for a long time < 1287987988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: long = like a year < 1287987992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet time! < 1287987995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Time! < 1287987997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Standard Internet < 1287988006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard Internet Time, abbreviation TIS. < 1287988021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently night-to-early-morning-ish TIS. < 1287988028 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1287988038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 September 2008" first release < 1287988042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4 June 2009" first preview for OS X/Linux < 1287988055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm. Perhaps I should explain why I don't let this go. It's very simple. I'm autistic. Things that are technically WRONG annoy me *much* more than this annoys you. Simple, no? < 1287988070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: September, October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June < 1287988076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nine months. < 1287988085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically they had a baby and it was unix support. < 1287988087 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you hassling me because I'm black? < 1287988087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, I get mauled. < 1287988095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Doesn't mean you have to vocalise your annoyance. < 1287988097 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287988102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: THAT WAS AN ANALOGY BTW < 1287988125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But that and I and it and MAKE IT STOP ITS WRONG AND ITS STUPID AND IT HURTS < 1287988129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ah. < 1287988129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, are you *sure* that's consistent, considering you're not exactly the most standards-obsessed person ever? < 1287988132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You used GNU C extensions. < 1287988142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's very firmly not consistent. < 1287988158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's just nails on a chalkboard times 10 billion. < 1287988164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For no very good reason. < 1287988175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking as someone who was diagnosed as and used to believe I had Asperger's syndrome, my brain managed to subconsciously turn it into a very useful excuse for just about anything. < 1287988176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wish everyone would bow to my will now. < 1287988178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :P < 1287988222 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this image of HTML5 as a crazy juicy pig language and I don't want to ruin the fantasy by actually learning it. < 1287988247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: there's pretty much nothing to learn < 1287988251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: first, start with HTML 4 < 1287988258 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO STOP < 1287988259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: then, add a bunch of tags that are useful because everyone just made their own of them anyway. < 1287988264 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts hands over eyes < 1287988269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then take away all the things that nobody realises are there. < 1287988282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: then, use this as an opportunity to put a very-formal-English parser (states and all) for all HTML and XHTML, complaint or not, into the spec. < 1287988296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Then, pressurise browser makers to adopt this parser, and suddenly compatibility issues go away. < 1287988301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC even *Microsoft* are going to use it. < 1287988306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It fails on quite a lot of compliant HTML 4, actually. < 1287988314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it fails on no byte string < 1287988324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: However, nobody uses what it fails on. < 1287988341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, it results in a *dramatically different interpretation*. < 1287988348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, WFM :P < 1287988351 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every. Time. You. Install. A. New. Package. With. Cygwin. It. Rolls. Forward. The. Versions. Of. All. Packages. That. You. Have. Rolled. Back. ANNOYING < 1287988360 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure if it was you < 1287988362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i once tried to write a package manager for cygwin < 1287988363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURNS OUT IT SUCKS < 1287988367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: SO ABOUT MATHNEWS < 1287988368 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/someone/ pinged me, and you are usually the one who does < 1287988371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: [shot] < 1287988378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://diveintohtml5.org/ HOW CAN YOU RESIST MARK PILGRIM < 1287988378 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been pikhq < 1287988379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha < 1287988383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye will now go into a conflicting-goals loop < 1287988388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN TERRIBLE THEORY < 1287988421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0" < 1287988522 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I said "coppro: HI POOPPY" < 1287988526 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I actually didn't) < 1287988527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with doctype stuff < 1287988531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtd < 1287988611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nice. < 1287988632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While images are at the top of my list of desired medium types in a WWW browser, I don’t think we should add idiosyncratic hooks for media one at a time. Whatever happened to the enthusiasm for using the MIME typing mechanism?" < 1287988635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THAT WORKED < 1287988641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloooooooooooo < 1287988648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok html 5 does it too but by now it's pretty much inevitable) < 1287988688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you know: old html had mathematical typesetting? < 1287988692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1287988695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/maths.html < 1287988701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example - the integral from a to b of f(x) over 1+x < 1287988701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ∫_a_^b^{f(x)1+x} dx < 1287988723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1287988727 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new game: every web page is an MS-DOS .EXE that draws the pages and makes the musics of the page on your speaker < 1287988736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: note: that's HTML 3 < 1287988739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no relation to HTML 3.2 < 1287988762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HTML 3 was Dave Raggett's zomg-i-made-it-awesome spec, and outside of Arena (Amaya's predecessor), it was never implemented < 1287988764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ok zzo38 < 1287988793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: would you like a giant spider 49579579348578925894789234 times, -1.3 times, i times, Bark! times, or SUPREME FLUSHING times bigger than you? < 1287988799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Someone should implement a platonic ideal HTML implementation. < 1287988802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You can also have one a different number of times bigger than you, if you want. < 1287988819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it has a full SGML DTD, it renders according to that. Otherwise, it uses the HTML 5 parser. < 1287988821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: (And some of them may not be numbers, like some of the times I have in my message!) < 1287988828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That would be awesome but pretty hard to do. < 1287988835 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. yes I have < 1287988835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your MOM would be pretty hard to do. < 1287988840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~oh classy~ < 1287988844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: on havenworks? < 1287988855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd get crazier still with CSS... < 1287988886 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no; just I've played websplat < 1287988896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://havenworks.com/ < 1287988900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It is WebSplat's final boss. < 1287988908 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287988909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: just implement CSS by translating to XSLT >:D < 1287988914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: We have been playing it for days. < 1287988920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Top score is 800something by Gregor's inhuman friend. < 1287988926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Top score by actual people is 500/600something. < 1287988928 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was hilarious < 1287988952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I suppose it is. Some people might not find it hilarious, though. But maybe they might find something else hilarious. < 1287988965 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :websplat hsa scores now < 1287988966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Do you think Enhanced CWEB should support a big spider three times as big as you? < 1287988971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes... yes it does. And enemies. < 1287988974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: And graphics. < 1287988975 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1287988979 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1287988981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The goal is to collect all the images. < 1287988984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: clear your cache < 1287988990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caches do weird shit to websplat. < 1287988992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and no, it's not because you're black, but because. Uh. YOUR MOTHER IS FEMALE. < 1287988998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1287988999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dude... necroreply. < 1287989010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm calling it a non sequitur at this point. < 1287989041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I have added it in Enhanced CWEB so that if you type *x to dereference a pointer it shows it as an x in a big star. Do you think of any other displayings I could add to Enhanced CWEB? < 1287989068 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@c-24-131-149-41.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287989074 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287989074 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1287989248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: THERE, IT'S ALL HTML NOW < 1287989251 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GO AWAAAAAAAAAY < 1287989256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: VICTORY IS MINE < 1287989299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THOUGH I DIDN'T KNOW HTML 5 HAD SELF-CLOSING TAGS < 1287989300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHATEVER < 1287989311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: XHTML 5 DOES BUT ONLY WHEN SERVED AS XML < 1287989312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1287989313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW RIRONIC < 1287989317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the validator it does. And I like them anyway. < 1287989341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM < 1287989349 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Unicorn requires some weird Apache Java libraries I don't feel like finding :P < 1287989376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It most certainly does have them. < 1287989376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Themes Inexplicably Stuck iun my Head" < 1287989377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1287989379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz fix tpyo < 1287989406 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... wow. That has presumably been there for years. < 1287989414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's what she said. < 1287989418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: According to the working draft it has self-closing tags. Wonderful. < 1287989423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1287989425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you probably want "My" too < 1287989440 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fixed my news page. Have vague plans to fix... other pages by shotgun-blasting .htaccess files into every directory. < 1287989462 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, need to see what this does to IE. < 1287989471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML 5 appears to have saner syntax than HTML 4 *and* XHTML. Awesome. < 1287989495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTIONAL self-closing tags != sane. < 1287989524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Saner. < 1287989541 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIME Type: application/xhtml xml < 1287989542 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Description: UnKnown < 1287989543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: err, .htaccess is recursive i think < 1287989557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: IE doesn't handle it at all < 1287989560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you CAN condition on it in .htaccess < 1287989560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Before HTML 5, HTML used a completely different syntax from what every implementation used. < 1287989563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how about let's not < 1287989564 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :studly caps on UnKnown < 1287989569 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's SOOOOO Microsoft! < 1287989573 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Example, to send your password file to the server, where 'password' is the name of the form-field to which /etc/passwd will < 1287989574 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : be the input: < 1287989574 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : curl -F password=@/etc/passwd www.mypasswords.com < 1287989576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ curl < 1287989579 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best - example - ever < 1287989593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1287989670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can top that. < 1287989695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl -F password=@/etc/shadow www.ministryoffinanceofficial.ng < 1287989697 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You're right, .htaccess is recursive! < 1287989703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: JUST LIKE LISP < 1287989709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What?) < 1287989711 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means... there are a handful of non-XHTML pages that are broken now < 1287989717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: TURKEY BOMB < 1287989726 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I will check < 1287989731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burkey tomb < 1287989735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tomb so burkey < 1287989740 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First I need to decide if I am OK with freaking out all IE browsers before 9 < 1287989752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You can fix it in the .htaccess with a browser condition. < 1287989755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: But, you know what? < 1287989761 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287989764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You have a command to regenerate your entire site, right? < 1287989772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The XSLT parts, that is. < 1287989781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Gimme your toolchain and I'll make it spit out HTML 5 instead :P < 1287989790 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287989803 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURKEY BOMB is ok but plankalkuel needs some loving < 1287989811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: see above < 1287989853 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Like, no. < 1287989863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: is it too TOP SECRET < 1287989874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or horrific < 1287989951 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and yes but more I meant, No, I like serving XHTML. < 1287989984 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the WEIRDO html now (aside from HTML 3, of course) < 1287990002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: but i can do better < 1287990005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i can make it serve XHTML 5. < 1287990013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: Sam Ruby is the only other person in the world to use XHTML 5 < 1287990015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's bonkers. < 1287990022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA < 1287990070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Worth it though. < 1287990077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1287990081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess. < 1287990083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MADNESS < 1287990089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qaqe < 1287990089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO OBSCURITY < 1287990100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I SHOULD SLEEP SOON < 1287990131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I SHOULD TOO IT'S 7 AM < 1287990135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG I LOVE THIS SLEEP SCHEDULE SO MUCH < 1287990140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 PM TO 7 AM < 1287990142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S GODLIKE < 1287990147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get like < 1287990148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH DAY < 1287990153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just when you think it's over < 1287990154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING HUGE NIGHT < 1287990165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1287990204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i swear, it's awesome < 1287990209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally ready for sleep now, right? < 1287990232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and you get a whole sixteen hours awake! < 1287990242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then eight hours of sleep. < 1287990249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you skip the shitty morning crap. < 1287990308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's six hours between 7am and 3pm; how do you cram eight hours of sleep in there? < 1287990317 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not! < 1287990319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't count! < 1287990328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's six metric hours, anyway. < 1287990337 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can make the XHTML goodness conditional on !IE in the .htaccess somehow < 1287990360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: yes < 1287990362 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if pikhq will object to me being selectively conformant like that < 1287990363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: like i told you three fucking times < 1287990407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: sec < 1287990410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll get a code example < 1287990420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: what's your rule to add the header? < 1287990432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your .htaccess < 1287990433 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1287990466 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AddType application/xhtml+xml .html < 1287990467 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1287990471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ok < 1287990476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: prepare for the crazy < 1287990632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The suspense! < 1287990641 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a validator that validates a file as both HTML5 (draft) and XHTML whatever (modulo the incorrect doctype declaration) < 1287990657 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I want it to bitch when I don't close tags, even when that's considered OK since HTML is so awful. < 1287990661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Try this: < 1287990663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteEngine On < 1287990664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} !MSIE < 1287990664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteRule ^.*\.html$ $0 [L,T=application/xhtml+xml] < 1287990664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe a pony to go with it, too? < 1287990669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Replace your existing rule with it. < 1287990678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Naw, but my kitty could use a friend. < 1287990689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: This is disgusting. < 1287990702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: But it should work! < 1287990713 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where did the simple go? < 1287990720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's three lines dammit! < 1287990737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: and it sets the right header on .html-ending URLs for everything that isn't IE < 1287990739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be happy :P < 1287990750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor IE9 ;) < 1287990766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IE is very experienced at parsing tag soup :P < 1287990779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, it's done it all catseye.tc's existence < 1287990785 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IE9 in non-standards-compliance mode is a horrible pile of garbage. < 1287990786 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287990796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IE is a horrible pile of garbage. < 1287990798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that done with application/xhtml+xml as the default, and then RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} MSIE, RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} \.html$, RewriteRule .* - [T=text/html] instead, but that's pretty close. < 1287990799 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whereas IE9 in standards-compliant mode is an almost-tolerable browser. < 1287990809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mine's totally better. < 1287990811 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm gonna try it out! Next time I reboot tho < 1287990813 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287990814 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you used IE9 beta? It's actually approaching where the other browsers in ~05 < 1287990815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, does - work? < 1287990823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know I know. < 1287990824 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*browsers were in < 1287990830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It would be even better with - instead of $0, right. < 1287990832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Update: < 1287990832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteEngine On < 1287990833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} !MSIE < 1287990833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteRule \.html$ - [L,T=application/xhtml+xml] < 1287990837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A dash indicates that no substitution should be performed (the existing path is passed through untouched). This is used when a flag (see below) needs to be applied without changing the path." < 1287990840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Woot. < 1287990844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ^ That should work perfectly. < 1287990854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You don't actually need the L, in there but *eh*. < 1287990905 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nuh uh < 1287990912 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything text/html now < 1287990915 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both browsers < 1287990925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ok uh < 1287990925 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have a new version < 1287990927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287990928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that < 1287990931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~just in case!~ < 1287990938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is *possible* that your host doesn't have mod_rewrite < 1287990946 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than possible < 1287990987 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! but it seems to work now < 1287991019 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viewable in IE, xmltastic in FF < 1287991029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ curl -sI catseye.tc | grep Content-Type < 1287991029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml < 1287991029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ curl -A MSIE -sI catseye.tc | grep Content-Type < 1287991029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Type: text/html < 1287991030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1287991046 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still don't know to what extent this is pikhq-approved < 1287991077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: uh, as much as he approves of sending to IE at all < 1287991118 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am only being noncompliant to something that is itself staggeringly noncompliant < 1287991186 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a sudden strong urge to make all his pages detect if the browser is IE, and if so do setInterval(function(){for(var i=0;i<100000;i++);},0) < 1287991267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just crash them < 1287991282 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a sudden strong urge to invent vixie cron < 1287991294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: function f(){for(;;){alert("x");setTimeout(f,0);}} < 1287991300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait the alert probably fixes it < 1287991318 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, you want it to just be slow and awful, so they blame the browser rather than you. < 1287991325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: function f(){for(;;){for(i=0;i<1000)setTimeout(f,0)}} < 1287991337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good :P < 1287991337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they never blame the browser :P < 1287991766 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they blame you personally < 1287991779 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, uh < 1287991795 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you would make that justified < 1287991822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287991829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript:(function(){function f(){for(;;){for(i=0;i<1000)setTimeout(f,0)}};f()})() < 1287991831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i double dog dare you < 1287991861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it does nothing < 1287991864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How anticlimatic. < 1287991891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Value of a walk button on a scale from 0 to 10 < 1287991906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: to go slowly? < 1287991907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1287991909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the slipperiness < 1287991918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ever played xjump? < 1287991922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the slippiness you have on crack < 1287992116 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, xjump is slippy < 1287992300 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :427@1038 < 1287992302 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D < 1287992306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lawl < 1287992307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah < 1287992364 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE DOOR CAN SEE INTO YOUR MIND < 1287992367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE DOOR CAN SEE INTO YOUR SOUL < 1287992460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wut < 1287992632 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick xX[GenericEmoKid]Xx < 1287993264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: generic door kid < 1287993599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1287993600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1287993641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight; bye. < 1287993643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1287994335 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1287994798 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1287994861 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287995456 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1287996200 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287996316 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1287996514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287996643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:27:34 he died 14:27:38 he doesn't want to admit ← well, you caught me out there. < 1287996752 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287996933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287996939 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1287996961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sodding graphics card, breaking whenever I try to run pretty things. < 1287996990 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I still have WebSplat!. < 1287997433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, quintopia meant died in WebSplat!, not real life. < 1287997456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, I actually did stop at 600 (not voluntarily, though). < 1287997754 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think you should install some software. < 1287997768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ca < 1287997769 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no preference as to what software that may be. < 1287997808 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you've been dealing with something horrible haven't you. Don't remember the name right now. < 1287997827 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeSpace 2? < 1287997827 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About nine letters long is all I can recall < 1287997831 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1287997839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My graphics card hates me, so I'm giving up on that. < 1287997851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, s/graphics card/crappy onboard thing/ < 1287997952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all of the APT esolang packages _suck_, so I won't be going down that road. < 1287998078 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should install: < 1287998080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas@pc112:~$ apt-cache search . | head -n `perl -e 'print int(rand(28848))+1'` | tail -n 1 < 1287998080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libglobus-gsi-openssl-error-dev - Globus Toolkit - Globus OpenSSL Error Handling Development Files < 1287998081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1287998103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rerun it if necessary; tailor 28848 to be "apt-cache search . | wc -l" if necessary. < 1287998156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas@pc112:~$ apt-cache search . | perl -e '@a = <>; print $a[int(rand(@a))];' < 1287998156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language-support-fonts-my - Additional fonts metapackage for Burmese < 1287998161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's another good choice. < 1287998171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With an improved random-picker.) < 1287998409 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install them both, then complain to us when your Global OpenSSL error messages won't display in Burmese. < 1287998424 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Globus < 1287998441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :601! < 1287998496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, install the package with the longest name. In my case that would be libmaypole-plugin-authentication-usersessioncookie-perl. < 1287998498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :622@1619D < 1287999373 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288000326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, on what page? < 1288000342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288001277 0 :cucumber_!~cucumber@dbe23.shared.masterhost.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1288002137 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc12-sgyl29-2-0-cust185.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288002620 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288004852 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288004996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288005839 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to try a new strategy on HavenWorks. < 1288005854 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll descend a single column, rather than zigzagging/ < 1288006743 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288008036 0 :cucumber_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1288009070 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288009417 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288010467 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288011452 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc12-sgyl29-2-0-cust185.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288012024 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288013224 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288013534 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288017046 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288017750 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288018269 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1288020002 0 :Zuu_!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1288020066 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1288020104 0 :Zuu_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zuu < 1288020114 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1288020114 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1288021706 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288021790 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288022267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288022453 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-173-238-244.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288022583 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@12.116.117.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288022650 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good rss feed aggregator/subscription service and/or how to i unbork firefox (the latter) < 1288022756 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I use Akregator, although it's probably Linux-specific < 1288022771 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nothing particularly special, just sits in the background out of your way and reads RSS feeds < 1288022794 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little annoying in how it handles links, though (left-click opens it in an embedded browser, middle-click opens in your main browser which is normally what I want) < 1288022863 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I think I got Live Bookmarks working in FF again (I think), so I am probably ok, but thanks < 1288022873 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :status quo ftw < 1288023653 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288023919 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288025053 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1288025191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:24:14 I'll descend a single column, rather than zigzagging/ < 1288025192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1288025248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for some reason I get nickpinged by everything ais523_ says < 1288025261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickpinging based on /nick/ seems a little ridiculous < 1288025305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow. < 1288025360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have a highlight for "ais523" no matter what my current nick < 1288025364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still ridiculous < 1288025379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, agreed < 1288025387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :46.4 MiB of 6.1 GiB (0.73%) < 1288025390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may take a while < 1288026214 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-122.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288026221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what timeconsuming task are you doing? < 1288026248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: getting lots of little bits of data from various nodes of the internet < 1288026277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and verifying them, thus replicating a file on my hard drive without the use of a centralised server to obtain it < 1288026279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr bittorrent < 1288026314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently it's only 16 hours to go though! yaaaay < 1288026320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait 17 < 1288026322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18! < 1288026325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19... what < 1288026492 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so what exactly did you steal again? a reflective term rewriting language where the meaning of a term is defined solely by the context at the point at which it is rewritten? plus a lot of misguided thoughts for how this could be a "practical" language despite not really knowing how to program in it? < 1288026512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: actually, just "a term rewriting language" < 1288026524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is so totally your idea and dear god i have never seen a glass that close to spilling NOT spill < 1288026544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually when it gets horizontal you enact your disaster recovery plan... < 1288026549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my fingers as slippery as sgeo's < 1288026574 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are all about the "Turing this" and the "Church that" but... but... mad props to Post, people, POST! < 1288026619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Church-Turing-Post thesis, man! < 1288026688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I've always had something for rewriting languages, I guess. < 1288026715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue, Redivider (is only sort of rewriting, but still), a lot of my liking of Joy is due to its similarity to a rewriting system, Q and Pure are nice... < 1288026715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've had glasses like that not spill due to being empty < 1288026731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, this one was... not quite empty. < 1288026748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i was already thinking about whether getting the orange juice of the keyboard was feasible or whether i should just pick a new one off the stack < 1288026755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I totally have a mental stack of keyboards!) < 1288026773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liquids near computers: Genius! < 1288026849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that i could probably obtain this file faster via snailmail... < 1288026891 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288027054 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just clicked somewhere on my desktop and apparently closed two windows and a tab simultaneously < 1288027080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/G3SQS.png < 1288027085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's Ubuntu Usability < 1288027091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you're on windows < 1288027094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's yet another feature! < 1288027106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: all the new features in windows 7 are just bugs introduced into vista during development < 1288027113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that task bar wouldn't display the fucking window titles! < 1288027128 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288027187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, it's a toggle to display the titles < 1288027195 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I am actually on Ubuntu right now. < 1288027200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win7 became much more bearable for me when I found out how to switch the taskbar back to XP-like < 1288027202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: letting facts get in the way of a joke? < 1288027206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shame on you! :P < 1288027210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you can't do that via the UI < 1288027213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only registry hacking < 1288027213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1288027215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do it at all < 1288027216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1288027217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right-click the taskbar, IIRC < 1288027218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that nwe? < 1288027219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*new? < 1288027231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a couple of dialogs down from there < 1288027234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not in RTM... < 1288027243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would check, but that would require actually booting up Windows < 1288027245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks it up < 1288027245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1288027261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess nobody had figured it out when i was trying 7 :) < 1288027269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(circa RC/RTM time) < 1288027276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/sshot67.png < 1288027280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: guess the windows version! < 1288027285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you don't get links < 1288027290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guess anyway < 1288027292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, Vista! < 1288027296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not quite < 1288027297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing that, Windows 2! < 1288027311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps 7 based on context < 1288027341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A picture of a Windows Classic styled taskbar, with 'Pictures', 'win7', 'Screen Resolution' and a cut off item starting 'Ed'. The Windows logo on the Start button is that of Vista onwards, without the surrounding orb. < 1288027360 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288027371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so probably 7 then < 1288027376 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288027380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you get an unfairly helpful description prize! < 1288027385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's the most ingenious (and correct!) use of alt text I've seen < 1288027393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :posting it to IRC for someone who refuses to view images... < 1288027429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that it would be nice if there was a bot that looked up the alt text of images, but that would be unreasonably complex < 1288027452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first it would have to use a search engine to find sites that embedded the image, then it would need to look up their alt texts, then it would need to decide which to show... < 1288027459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pages that embedded the image < 1288027477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: searching like that doesn't work for images, as far as i can tell < 1288027479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it never has for me < 1288027485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pretty sure searches are done on a plaintext version < 1288027494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably uses the alt text of images < 1288027574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any opinions on the recent WikiLeaks happenings? < 1288027589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the media is as good as ever at managing to distract from revelations they don't particularly like < 1288027613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm... a Google search for link:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/INTERCAL_Circuitous_Diagram.svg/220px-INTERCAL_Circuitous_Diagram.svg.png fails < 1288027625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more interesting is what happens in a Google Images search for that (with the link:) < 1288027640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it drops the /entire search query/ because it doesn't make sense for that sort of query, yet /returns results anyway/ < 1288027648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it returns the "first image on Google", or whatever < 1288027665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i approve < 1288027673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always wanted to search google for * < 1288027675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see what's #1 < 1288027678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably wikipedia :D) < 1288027697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't work for me < 1288027699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your search - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41 ... - did not match any documents. < 1288027717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, try turning JavaScript off and forbidding cookies (which is my setup for accessing Google)? < 1288027723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cookies probably don't matter, come to think of it < 1288027737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not just use scroogle, at that point? < 1288027778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, for link:? < 1288027781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just searched for the url < 1288027785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for link: followed by the URL < 1288027796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does the same for google.com < 1288027800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because I trust the owners of scroogle even less than I trust Google < 1288027802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: defenselink.mil, discuss < 1288027809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, pretty good point < 1288027812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's defenselink.mil for me too < 1288027818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that here too. < 1288027821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't think I actually /distrust/ Google < 1288027823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks surprisingly consistent. < 1288027828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just don't act the way I want them to < 1288027829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 35 already displayed. < 1288027829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included. < 1288027840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blocking cookies, etc., makes it act more like the way I want them to < 1288027841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the military propaganda is ENDLESS lawl < 1288027859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every single result is from defenselink.mil < 1288027859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in particular, they keep trying to customize things to me when I don't want them to) < 1288027879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you remember the "bush hid the facts" thing? you could probably submit that to the same sort of conspiracy site < 1288027898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think conspiracy sites were the prime things for that... more "stupid shit" sites < 1288027943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: hmm... a Google search for link:[...] <-- what a wtf url it had < 1288027965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cut out to not prevent you from seeing what I just said) < 1288027968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's the URL of the thumbnail < 1288027979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the URL of the image itself is more sensible < 1288027987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the image itself isn't shown on the page < 1288028054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1288028117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, the URL is pretty sensible for a PNG thumnail of an SVG image < 1288028322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thum nail, the nail of thums. < 1288029002 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroogle collects your search terms to feed to their army of demon-hedgehogs < 1288029444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it collects your army of demon-hedgehogs to feed to their search terms < 1288029450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true story. < 1288029463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: SO NETBSD [mauled by owls and/or bears] < 1288029479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FEATHER < 1288029484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no two lines can annoy two people more. < 1288029490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have mastered the internet < 1288029501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wouldn't be surprised if ais523 has an ignore on *feather* < 1288029831 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gonna make it work, coach! Gonna give 110%! Woof woof woof < 1288029856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I can see AROS' FURRY INFLUENCE is rubbing off on you. < 1288030093 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.rdwarf.com/users/kioh/haxorec54KB.jpg < 1288030124 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2nd best webcomic ever) < 1288030127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily < 1288030130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what's #1 < 1288030133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd?!?!??! < 1288030135 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokey the Penguin < 1288030144 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH YEAH UH TOTALLY XKCD < 1288030146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i love pokey < 1288030170 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO WAIT - USER FRIENDLY < 1288030176 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaahhhh < 1288030235 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "woof woof woof" was more an attempt to make the sounds a football player makes to psych himself up. < 1288030237 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pikhq_: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11573666 < 1288030278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... had a favourite webcomic, i have forgotten it < 1288030289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wait, why did you just ping me? < 1288030303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To bother a FONTophile :P < 1288030314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you try way too hard < 1288030331 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, forwarding a link somebody sent me is an enormous effort. < 1288030333 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel strained. < 1288030399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: unlike you, i know that the bbc tends to report on just about any paper which can be turned into a snazzy headline. also, "according to scientists". also, i totally believe that a single, random paper has shot down centuries of practice and research, yes, I am broken :P < 1288030423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't care that much about non-fiction < 1288030430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for fiction obviously reading comfort takes precedence over remembering things < 1288030445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway i don't care that much about non-fiction <-- typesetting that is < 1288030558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you played WebSplat yet? < 1288030565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: playing websplat not optional < 1288030579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: in da fray < 1288030590 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cat always chooses the exact moment I start eating to jump into my lap. < 1288030616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1288030623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you ever move the favicon goombas server-side? < 1288030664 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1288030668 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was forced to :( < 1288030678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do I need to flush my cache? < 1288030686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's already doing it < 1288030687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1288030776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 284@284D AWESOME < 1288030784 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1288030786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly one per second < 1288030788 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two images per second ain't bad. < 1288030793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...? < 1288030797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is time 1/2 seconds? < 1288030801 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must think seconds are REALLY FAST :P < 1288030809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I... yeah, pretty much. < 1288030818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hey, that means an estimated playthrough would be like... < 1288030842 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like how people play SMW and say "Ack I only have 10 seconds left!" when they have WELL under 10 seconds.' < 1288030849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1288030872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually using your friend's esimate a playthrough *would* take about 50 minutes. < 1288030890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more like 30 minutes with the 500 in 1000 something one you had. < 1288030899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, more. < 1288030900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's for 1700. < 1288030905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1800 would probably give a better estimate. < 1288030908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: tl;dr this is hard < 1288030922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You playing? < 1288030954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm eating :P < 1288031009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lawl I died on top of a dog. < 1288031243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dammit < 1288031248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when they're ont he thin blue column X_ < 1288031249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*X_X < 1288031271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to plan Column < 1288031279 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collision detection is a fickle mistress :P < 1288031416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on the thin < 1288031424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I love how beyond the far-right column there's a few utterly inexplicable invisible platforms. < 1288031442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, how favicon goombas just walk off the right edge of the page and fall to the bottom for no good reason at all. < 1288031461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: AARRGH < 1288031464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :169@238D < 1288031468 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Favicon goombas don't platform detect, they wander off platforms unless a wall blocks them. < 1288031471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: GIVE US A LOOK FUNCTION :P < 1288031490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVAR < 1288031512 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 git < 1288031684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FYI, the last column is the easiest to start with by far. < 1288031689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :219@344 and now I'll ascend back up. < 1288031703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, you have to cross back over. < 1288031862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lawl, this is hard < 1288032036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 457@1000 < 1288032302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 528@1340D < 1288032305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have a strategy idea. < 1288032326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Go in columns, but only for a certain length; make sure you finish all the columns up to a certain length, and then start from the beginning again. < 1288032332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This avoids the point of no return. < 1288032443 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so that Rewrite Crap For IE magic you provided last night (thanks btw) -- how do I turn it *off* for a particular directory, i.e. override it in an .htaccess file local to that directory? < 1288032458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: can you paste your current file for me and i'll modify it accordingly? thx < 1288032475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: btw i ought to get compensation for this, mod_rewrite is one of the scariest things in the universe < 1288032488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner used it to turn a browser into a something interpreter < 1288032490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/.htaccess heh no what? < 1288032490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what < 1288032500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that probably won't load < 1288032504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally .htaccess access is blocked < 1288032513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: lol your 404 is invalid xml < 1288032520 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH. < 1288032526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you can set your own 404 if you want < 1288032528 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not the browser, the web server, but yeah < 1288032536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, the browser has to go there repeatedly < 1288032542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's the browser using the server, really < 1288032546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if you say < 1288032555 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, apache does the rewriting in the configuration I used < 1288032567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ErrorDocument 404 404.html < 1288032570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: then (obvious) < 1288032578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, but it just returns the next evaluation step < 1288032582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only TC if it's repeatedly evaluated < 1288032584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what the browser does < 1288032607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: anyway okay i'll just fish out my own .htaccess SHEESH :P < 1288032613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the logs < 1288032619 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteEngine On < 1288032619 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} !MSIE < 1288032620 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteRule \.html$ - [L,T=application/xhtml+xml] < 1288032621 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1288032627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late :P < 1288032655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: try this < 1288032658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteEngine Off < 1288032663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an .htaccess in the specific directories < 1288032664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: BUT < 1288032667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i'd do it in the main one < 1288032676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: which is probably easier to maintain. < 1288032676 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288032679 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, apache goes through all of it in a loop in mod_rewrite then produces the final URL and sends the output of that URI (forget if it's with one of those moved headers or if apache just sends the contents of the final URL) < 1288032684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, okay < 1288032690 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i suppose that makes more sense < 1288032694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i mean obviously it's up to you, but < 1288032694 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can look this up and do it < 1288032703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's a bit more involved that way < 1288032709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll look it up since i have the manual open anyway < 1288032711 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, both browsers and mod_rewrite have a limit on the number of rewrite steps < 1288032721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the per-directory file solution is more standalone, but the single one is more maintainable < 1288032721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1288032745 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mod_rewrite frees *nothing* that it allocates for a single request so you'll run out of memory quickly < 1288032757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: heh < 1288032854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: < 1288032855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteEngine On < 1288032856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} !MSIE < 1288032856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^directory1 < 1288032856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^directory2/subdir < 1288032856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RewriteRule \.html$ - [L,T=application/xhtml+xml] < 1288032863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other ways to do it, but this does it all in one file, and all from mod_rewrite < 1288032884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, and I'd add < 1288032891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ErrorDocument 404 404.html < 1288032893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and put some valid XHTML in there < 1288032898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: because right now your 404 page is broken < 1288032920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hmm actually you may want /404.html there < 1288032971 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1288032983 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to scientists, my site is broken! < 1288033010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wat < 1288033033 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any suitable redirection methods that (usually) have no recursion guards < 1288033041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a browser limit on the number of consecutive redirections? < 1288033058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think you can omit the 1; < 1288033060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get it instant < 1288033061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ly < 1288033066 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what science solves, science can soon fix! nurr < 1288033068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put in 0, but where's the fun in that. < 1288033079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 1 you can see it run. < 1288033079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Is it not working? < 1288033085 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It will! < 1288033091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You might not want to try and understand mod_rewrite, dude. < 1288033099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You think it's innocuous, but *no* < 1288033117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``The great thing about mod_rewrite is it gives you all the configurability and flexibility of Sendmail. The downside to mod_rewrite is that it gives you all the configurability and flexibility of Sendmail.'' < 1288033120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Brian Behlendorf < 1288033120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache Group < 1288033132 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How did a beautiful theory like rewriting birth monstrosities like XSLT and mod_rewrite, anyway? < 1288033147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I... cannot parse that sentence. < 1288033173 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did a theory as beautiful as that which we call rewriting, birth... < 1288033179 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's supposed to be used for configuration, it's usually a bad sign if it is turing complete (or would be turing complete were it not for e.g. recursion limits) < 1288033203 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :birth as verb. < 1288033204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Ahh. < 1288033206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Um. < 1288033210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Because of Post's law. < 1288033215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I just made that up.) < 1288033217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zpaste runs on mod_rewrite: http://p.zem.fi/rewrites -- that's nothing very hairy yet, of course. < 1288033218 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1288033233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does zpaste have any user-visible infrastructure yet? :P < 1288033239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1288033240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interface! < 1288033242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the word. < 1288033248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you KEEPING ALL THE FUN FROM US < 1288033253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's the command-line client. < 1288033260 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO < 1288033264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which is private? :P < 1288033264 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :601@1714D < 1288033266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HAHAHA < 1288033274 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like your new strategy though < 1288033275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What do you think about my new strategy? < 1288033281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Let's try it! < 1288033294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suggest the first "block" to do is the one where all the columns are filled. < 1288033300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that it gets a bit more mrfy, if you know what I mean. < 1288033300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it's all included in the github place. I was intending to make a tiny little change -- I can't quite recall what it was right now -- to make it trivial to do a web-form for posting new pastes. < 1288033305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Maybe slightly less than that. < 1288033325 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the first google-hit on zpaste is "The Ultimate Cam Assembly Lubricant #7240". < 1288033341 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://codu.org/tmp/websplat-2010-10-25-soScrewed.png , immediately followed by http://codu.org/tmp/websplat-2010-10-25-2-soDead.png < 1288033357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think that I will like these images once they load. < 1288033371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your server is wowslow. < 1288033383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That is not so screwed. < 1288033404 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed to take them both out to get to the images below safely :p < 1288033412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you had managed that jump you could have got to the far left and dude we're playing on different pages. < 1288033416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Seriously. < 1288033421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last column is super-wide for me. < 1288033423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As wide as the first one. < 1288033440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting to the far left wouldn't have helped, I needed the images below the enemies :P < 1288033445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: All our scores are irrelevant relative to each other's X_X < 1288033450 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they're not. < 1288033459 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still roughly equal difficulty I'm sure :P < 1288033467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But still... :( < 1288033481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How ridiculously wide is your screen...? < 1288033490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 1366x768 < 1288033499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOYAEH < 1288033500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SOYEAH < 1288033506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *But* I do have the actual non-free fonts the page uses. < 1288033512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait, no. < 1288033523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, I'm playing with DejaVu Serif and Arial. < 1288033526 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soyeah, mine is wider :P < 1288033528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DejaVu Serif because it's my default font. < 1288033530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1288033534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Arial because the page sets Arial. < 1288033542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set up your Chrome accordingly :P < 1288033544 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I doubt I have Arial. < 1288033550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also: You have a smaller font size than me. < 1288033557 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the default! < 1288033560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...either that or your antialiasing is just that much. < 1288033562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably true. < 1288033565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, probably has to do with DPI X_X < 1288033568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah no it's the same size. < 1288033590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suggest setting up Chrome to have DejaVu Sans as default serif and then installing the Microsoft core fonts for FAIRNESS :P < 1288033597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my DPI set to 96 like everyone else in the universe. < 1288033607 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse your screenshot. < 1288033670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sec < 1288033697 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I can't imagine either of mod_rewrite or xslt actually coming from the theory of string rewriting, both just seem like horrible accidents to me < 1288033708 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just fyi: it needs to be RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/directory1 with the slash < 1288033715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, rihgt. < 1288033717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right. < 1288033718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Sorry. < 1288033722 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1288033725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uploading. < 1288033752 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my CSS is a little wack with XHTML, but nothing too bad. < 1288033771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://i.imgur.com/1Oske.png < 1288033826 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thank you for choosing a screenshot that does little to prove your very point :P < 1288033839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, touche :P < 1288033842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sec^2. < 1288033850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request." might wanna create that file :P < 1288033861 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I feel vaguely inspired by that screenshot < 1288033866 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288033918 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like a UserJS that transforms any site into a similar monstrosity < 1288033943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You'd need to generate a lot of lorem ipsum for most sites. < 1288033990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: olsner: http://www.lorizzle.nl/?feed=1 < 1288034006 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taken care of! < 1288034010 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also that! < 1288034020 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reload to see my gnarly new 404 page) < 1288034054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sec < 1288034077 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or maybe you could inline linked pages to provide contents < 1288034088 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite high density this thing < 1288034098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: upliddling < 1288034120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://imgur.com/HQ05D.png < 1288034164 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1288034166 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq < 1288034173 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heyyyyyyy I can use frickin mod_rewrite on my site! < 1288034180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh god. < 1288034185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the potential of awesome power just dawned on me! < 1288034188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1288034188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1288034189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1288034190 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1288034191 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1288034202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: IF YOU TURN ON CONTENT NEGOTIATION YOU CAN DROP THE .HTML FROM THE END OF PAGES ISN'T THAT SO *2.0* < 1288034220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1288034223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1288034243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wtfbbq at what < 1288034259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh shit I left all my super-private searches in those screenshots *sob* < 1288034261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*INFINITE SOB* < 1288034267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention *sob*? < 1288034275 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python's yield: sufficiently similar to continuations you get annoyed that they aren't more similar < 1288034290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ITT: coroutined < 1288034293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*olsner: ITT: coroutines < 1288034299 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I honestly don't understand how having a slightly different font would change the /width/ of that column, that should be a rather immutable rule of flow ... ohhh unless some title forced it wider ... < 1288034306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It does. < 1288034307 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam! Coroutine'd! < 1288034312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The header at the top is superwide. < 1288034314 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "ITT"? < 1288034338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For me, with Arial, it's still the same width. < 1288034343 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Roughly) < 1288034358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I could totally reference Encyclopedia Dramatica here, but it stands for "in this topic" and it's a stupid 4chan thing that got spread to /prog/ which is where I picked it up and then everywhere ever and it just means... nothing < 1288034371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nothing. < 1288034373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, set default serif font to DejaVu Serif in Chrome. < 1288034387 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how to do that :P < 1288034390 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing? ok :) < 1288034390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Preferences -> Under the Bonnet -> Web Content -> Change font and language settings < 1288034397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's Under the Hood for you :P < 1288034403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, it means, "here" or "current topic" or... < 1288034405 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that is some awesome i18n. < 1288034410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In this topic" except s/topic/current conversation thread/ < 1288034419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IT IS I orgasmed with glee when I saw it. Uh, or something. < 1288034437 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Size 12 I assume? < 1288034451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No. 16 < 1288034455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same for Sans < 1288034463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed-width at 13 but I doubt that changes anything. < 1288034470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should set the default sans font to DejaVu Sans, too. < 1288034475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case it uses "sans" somewhere. < 1288034480 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, continuations can be used to implement coroutines, right? then just continuations should be sufficient < 1288034495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, now it's all DejaVu 16 < 1288034504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it looks more similar now. < 1288034504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Monospaced should be 13 :P < 1288034513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AH KILL YU < 1288034519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fixed-width at 13 but I doubt that changes anything. < 1288034531 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does in fact change ... something. < 1288034540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1288034555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now for exact results, use the Ubuntu-patched freetype renderer with their settings :P < 1288034570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Or just slight hinting would do it, really :p) < 1288034575 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also set my screen width the same :P < 1288034588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HavenWorks is resolution-independent! < 1288034592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also the ONLY thing it is! < 1288034656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sheesh you haven't even noticed the tabs I inexplicably forgot to close beforehand < 1288034660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am deeply offended < 1288034668 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed, they were just stupid :P < 1288034673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I totally do replace all my tabs with new ones in-between screenshots < 1288034676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Gee, I feel so unloved. < 1288034681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unloved like... something that's... < 1288034687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not... not.... loved. < 1288034851 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you be fine with the look function if it wasn't smooth? < 1288034854 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just popped down or up) < 1288034889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sure, but it's easy enough to do a gradual scroll. < 1288034894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just use scrollTo or whatever it is in a for loop :P < 1288034900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is only down or up. < 1288034902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Left or right too? < 1288034905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm not sure I do want it. < 1288034908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It spoils the fun, maybe? < 1288034909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP did :P < 1288034939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's NOT easy enough to gradually scroll when that gradual scrolling conflicts with the scrolling based on character location. < 1288034962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Bees can quickly solve "travelling salesman problem"]] < 1288034964 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to jump from tab to tab IMPLEMENT THAT < 1288034971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just make that depend on a flag and turn it off for the scroll? :p < 1288034980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But yeah, I don't think it's a good idea. < 1288034990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game mechanics are pretty solid already. < 1288035008 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One less thing for me to do :P < 1288035054 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288035063 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN HASKELL < 1288035259 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another game idea is a sort of computer game where the game board you play on is the periodic table of elements. < 1288035333 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Groundhog Day already? < 1288035349 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it < 1288035372 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whack-an-Element < 1288035400 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, Whack-a-Mole < 1288035401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, but it is Big Spider Day. < 1288035426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whack-a-Mole-of-some-Element. < 1288035435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Groundhog Day lore: < 1288035437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zoological data suggests that groundhogs have a maximum lifespan of 10 years in captivity or 6 years in the wild.[3] Punxsutawney Phil fans say that there is only one Phil (all the other groundhog weathermen are impostors), and that he has made weather prognostications for over 120 years as of 2010. They say that every summer, Phil is fed a sip of the mysterious Groundhog Punch, which magically lengthens his life for seven years. This is done by < 1288035437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Inner Circle members.[4] According to the Groundhog Club, Phil, after making the prediction, speaks to the Club President in "Groundhogese", which only the Inner Circle appear to understand, and then his prediction is translated for the entire world." < 1288035471 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1288035478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mental note: Punxsutawney: avoid. < 1288035499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of these 114 predictions on record so far, Punxsutawney Phil has predicted an early spring 14 times (12%). As to his accuracy, according to the StormFax Weather Almanac and records kept since 1887, Phil's predictions have been correct just 39% of the time." < 1288035509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His inaccuracy only makes him more magical! < 1288035521 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A game can have a stretched geometry in some places, so that going from Barium to Hafnium is a shorter distance if you go around than in a straight line. < 1288035525 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are you to understand the ways of Phil? < 1288035529 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ways < 1288035959 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Molybdenum is a Double Molecule Score element. < 1288036052 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it? < 1288036173 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz I like the name "Molybdenum", mostly < 1288036258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil window managers trying to snarf your krit! < 1288036279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What does that mean? < 1288036284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have no idea. < 1288036288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, what does anything mean? < 1288036299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he's been doing that for "over 120 years", and they lengthen his life by 7 years every summer (so +6 years to the total), wouldn't he now have something like a 720-year lifespan even with no more Groundhog Punch? That's not bad for a groundhog. < 1288036326 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah i totally need an algebraic data type in my python script. < 1288036349 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of algebraic data type? < 1288036362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But why stop giving it to him?! < 1288036367 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Thing = OneKind String | TheOtherKind String < 1288036371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's physiologically and psychologically addictive! < 1288036382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His predictions would become less accurate! < 1288036386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just Say No to Groundhog Punch. < 1288036388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i tried to code them in python once, then lol'd and gave up < 1288036396 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a pair ("kind", str) but it's just so crude < 1288036408 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what, define a class for this? < 1288036413 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then subclass it twice. < 1288036414 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288036418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I was going to have it be < 1288036419 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much better. < 1288036435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing = ADT(OneKind=[str], TheOtherKind=[str]) < 1288036445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would then create the uninstantiatable Thing class < 1288036445 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anything relating to the "mana" in "Icosahedral RPG" used in mathematics? < 1288036449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two subclasses, OneKind and TheOtherKind < 1288036462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, or even < 1288036479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing = ADT(OneKind={'name': str}, TheOtherKind={'country': str}) < 1288036486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? whatever. < 1288036490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also: these are dict keys < 1288036517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: simple enough < 1288036521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: anything that can be hashed can be a key < 1288036539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so I just need to not have field assignment using __foo name magic < 1288036543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and then it can be hash()ed safely < 1288036546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TADAAAAAAAAAA < 1288036627 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288036727 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's great you should totally write a pep < 1288036735 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS A PROCESS. < 1288036778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, and to instantiate it would be < 1288036782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing.OneKind(foo) < 1288036783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1288036861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wait no need to have str there < 1288036865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is ~duck typed!~ < 1288036877 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quack* < 1288036883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely off-topic, but since there's some retroism done here every now and then: the recent altparty's main demo compo was won by a prod for (unextended) VIC-20. < 1288037081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and #2 was called "Binary of Babel" and had code written in 23 languages; sadly, none of them were actual esoteric ones. (But there was FORTRAN and COBOL and Scheme and whatnot.) < 1288037107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and something with Bash. < 1288037118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Cool. < 1288037128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did like the part where they listed what it was made with ("2000 processes" and so on), and then they made it lag and stutter horribly for the line which said "8 garbage collectors". :p < 1288037173 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 processes in 64k, that's... something < 1288037178 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it have: Forth? C? Assembly language? METAFONT? < 1288037231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least some assembly; can't quite recall about the others; very likely not METAFONT. < 1288037237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it wasn't 64k. < 1288037271 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, so #2 was not for VIC-20? < 1288037274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did it have Enhanced CWEB? < 1288037275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1288037332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, just the winner. And the unenhanced VIC-20 has 4k of memory, anyway. < 1288037344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/enhanced/extended/ < 1288037382 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 bytes per process leaving 96 for the monitor - how hard can it be :) < 1288037407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you'd need to run all 2000 at the same time anyway to be able to claim that. < 1288037442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you'll never believe this, but -- I almost have Python ADTs working. < 1288037461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it is awful. < 1288037484 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean like using swap-to-floppy or something? < 1288037553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I mean "like" running a process, then running it again with different parameters. Not that the VIC-20 "OS" has a very clear meaning for the word "process". < 1288037564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'll be glad to hear I came up with an improvement for my URL filter < 1288037568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now shows the URL, unlinked < 1288037578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how... does that help at all? < 1288037585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if I could make it show up in white text < 1288037590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just reduce the visual noise? < 1288037593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1288037594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah! < 1288037595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep < 1288037599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could send it to a URL shortening service < 1288037610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be doubly counterproductive, really < 1288037611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that way, all URLs will become really short and non-offensive < 1288037617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it? < 1288037629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often, people use a link as a substitute for actual discussion < 1288037640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. say http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck rather than brainfuck < 1288037650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so seeing the text is useful for context < 1288037660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: LOL PYTHON'S LACK OF SCOPE BITES BE AGAIN < 1288037665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fair enough < 1288037680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I filter out colors too < 1288037689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd forgotten I did that < 1288037694 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HAHA < 1288037704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Imagine a for loop with element variable foo. Now imagine you have a function inside this for loop that, say, prints foo. Now imagine you store this function in a dictionary somewhere, one for each foo. < 1288037725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: When you call the function in the dictionary for the first -- not last -- element of the list, what does it print out? < 1288037727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(necessary for talking to mIRC users who think that white text on a colored background is a good idea; Konversation doesn't render background colors, so...) < 1288037747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: who the fuck does that?! < 1288037784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, you're welcome to guess at that question i asked cpressey, too < 1288037811 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IRC client I use doesn't render any color specified in the message at all, it uses its own colors < 1288038091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not on Freenode, luckily < 1288038094 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're kidding me < 1288038098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's bitten me on other networks < 1288038109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you haven't answered my riddle yet < 1288038114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what does the function print out? < 1288038133 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that you store the function in a dictionary affects things AT ALL is what i'm balking at < 1288038138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, it doesn't < 1288038147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it could be a list or anything, that's not really important < 1288038148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: last value in the loop plus one? < 1288038152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only important thing is that it gets outside of the scope < 1288038158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a foreach, not a for... < 1288038166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The answer is: It prints out the last element in the list. < 1288038170 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1288038175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Why? Because the loop variable foo isn't local to inside of the loop. < 1288038180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's local to *just outside* of it. < 1288038196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So each iteration... < 1288038201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it becomes the new value. < 1288038203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that closure. < 1288038210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That closure which happens to be the parent closure of your function that prints foo. < 1288038214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It prints out the last element int he list. < 1288038217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in the list. < 1288038229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To fix it, you need to have a wrapper function which takes foo as a different name and then returns the function you want, and then immediately call that. < 1288038231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you fucking believe that? < 1288038235 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not understand this at all < 1288038253 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't really want to! < 1288038263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah just... < 1288038264 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python and functional programming: not gonna happen < 1288038265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1288038271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Anyway, I wrote ADTs in Python. < 1288038277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They work. < 1288038284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't subclass an ADT yet, but hey, you can't in Haskell either! < 1288038290 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's cool. < 1288038370 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: understanding python means you're as smart as guido < 1288038399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://sprunge.us/jSLK. Including example code! < 1288038482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Isn't it GLORIOUS? < 1288038513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, did you say zpaste was on github or just git?# < 1288038516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no github.com/fizzie. < 1288038873 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is like divine light blasting everything in its path < 1288038888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Now stick it in whatever you're writing and see if anyone notices. < 1288038901 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ireland is the largest exporter of bananas in europe < 1288038911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ...ok < 1288039068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But wait, there's more: You can now do superscript via the ^ character. This one is still a bit experimental; we don't want to overload our servers with lots of really big numbers, so for the first 24 hours, the use of exponents larger than 2 will be restricted to reddit gold subscribers, who I trust will be discreet about using this special ability in front of less fortunate members of the community." < 1288039070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is... definitely a joke. < 1288039091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://github.com/fis/zpaste -- it's a bit in the need of cleanup. < 1288039101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, fancy lah-de-dah three-letter name. < 1288039108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you get that on freenode too, RICHIE? :| < 1288039139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pah, you have neglected to include your site's key. < 1288039140 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my unix user name in many places; not quite why I opted for it in github. < 1288039142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE WASTED MY NAME < 1288039155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *quite sure4 < 1288039165 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1288039173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure < 1288039260 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait, there's more < 1288039268 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wanders off < 1288039394 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1288039416 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288039439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MY TIME < 1288039440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not name < 1288039441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1288039549 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a program that can run the reference implementation of TeX as is, with no changes, in the way emulating the computer it was origiinally written on? < 1288039577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There is still an existing user of SLS. Discuss. < 1288039592 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is SLS? < 1288039614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Softlanding Linux System. One of the very first -- if not the first -- Linux distribution, founded in 1992. < 1288039630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Slackware was released after it made some changes that Patrick Volkerding didn't like. < 1288039632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian, too. < 1288039674 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get a new computer I will make my own Linux distribution, possibly called "Arcane Linux". Because I also don't like some things in other one, so I have to make it differently < 1288039732 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does SLS use old kernel? Is it still distributed? < 1288039746 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288039751 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how will it be arcane? < 1288039754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this reminds me, we were having an argument in another channel, and you might know the answer: if you freeze a water elemental, does it deanimate, or does it keep moving as an ice elemental, or can it do nothing until it thaws out? < 1288039777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ooh; not only does that person use SLS, but he still uses *SCCS*. < 1288039781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not fucking kidding. < 1288039783 0 :zeotrope!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096650558.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1288039789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He mirrors his SCCS repository on GitHub. < 1288039794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make this shit up. < 1288039800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is the distro still maintained? or is he just using really old versions of everything? < 1288039812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SLS hasn't been maintained since... before 1993. < 1288039826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is he maintaining it himself? < 1288039828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He also uses other operating systems, but apparently he tested this piece of software, which is maintained in SCCS, on SLS Linux. < 1288039831 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> He mirrors his SCCS repository on GitHub. < 1288039831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among OS X and the like. < 1288039835 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is amazing. < 1288039838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uhh, I don't know. Maybe. A bit unlikely though. < 1288039842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It is BEYOND amazing. < 1288039852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I still use DOS from time to time... < 1288039860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did I mention that this piece of software is *rather* popular and is used extensively by, among others, reddit? < 1288039894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://codu.org/tmp/websplat-does-not-work-on-opera.png < 1288039918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But what will Sgeo do with his fiancé browser?! < 1288039924 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any emulators that provide hooking their emulated serial port up to a pipe in the overlying OS? < 1288039924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fiancée < 1288039928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1288039931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1288039934 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It works on INTERNET FUCKING EXPLORER < 1288039936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But, uh, wow. < 1288039943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9 beta in standards-compliance mode) < 1288039954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lawl did you really set your text rendering settings just for this? < 1288039957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does Opera use its own? < 1288039965 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're weird, then Opera uses its own. < 1288039985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, the text is a lot thicker than your other screenshots. < 1288039992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like it was light or not hinted. < 1288040002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, tell me that actually works. < 1288040018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it just keeps spawning enemies eternally without actually doing any physics. < 1288040029 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: How it will be arcane is all difference from other one, and also other ideas, too. < 1288040036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve. < 1288040470 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it should run on this: https://www.str-s.com/wyse-wy50-terminal-0005001-wyse-p-287.html < 1288040479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Holy fucking shit. < 1288040479 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that this will be difficult given that this is a dumb terminal < 1288040499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SLS is the first distro. *Slackware* effectively replaced it. < 1288040534 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What should run on that terminal? < 1288040586 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Arcane Linux! < 1288040601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... Uses Linux 1.0. < 1288040605 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dream big! < 1288040605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*One point oh*. < 1288040656 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I could compromise, though. Maybe Arcane Linux could just have WY-50 as the default terminal emulation. < 1288040665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still available from Ibiblio. < 1288040700 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Arcane Linux will probably use xterm/ANSI type terminal emulation by default. And it will likely use the newest kernel but with some changes. < 1288040770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's likely rather insecure, somehow I don't think Linux 1.0 still gets security fixes... < 1288040798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I will now create a bootable Linux 0.1 floppy. < 1288040801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK OUT WORLD < 1288040816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1288040818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aryan Linux" < 1288040823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that...heh < 1288040836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, BTW. Byuu wrote an "snespurify" program that takes ROMS and converts them into a bsnes-friendly format. < 1288040902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux-0.01.tar.bz2 30-Oct-1993 00:00 62K < 1288040906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that isn't even an anachronism, is it? < 1288040907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .bz2 < 1288040931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1288040942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is it? < 1288040946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they set the date manually? :P < 1288040955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzip2 was made in 1996. < 1288040968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Wiktionary lists anagrams. < 1288040971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how impressively stupid < 1288040974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: heh, I just looked up that fact < 1288040976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagrams that are also entries, that is < 1288040988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, someone give me a name for some formal dress like a tuxedo, but older. < 1288040994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely, the tar format is more recent than 1993 too < 1288040996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Linux 0.1 distro -- it's old tux) < 1288041015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tar was standardised in 1988 < 1288041023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but everyone uses the updated 2001 version now < 1288041027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: however, things still work with the original format < 1288041057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but seriously guys! < 1288041065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equivalent situational use to a tuxedo but older < 1288041065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia page for [[Tuxedo]] redirects to [[Black tie]] < 1288041068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go! because i am lazy < 1288041075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I couldn't think of anything < 1288041080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah :P < 1288041105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmf. Gentoo doesn't have GCC 4.5 even marked as ~amd64. It's masked. < 1288041113 0 :Wamanuz4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288041125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you give me one valid reason to not go out and install a different distro right this instant? < 1288041137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Your options are, uh, Xubuntu. < 1288041143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And... cross-compilation. < 1288041145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1288041146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multilib. < 1288041153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuuuck. < 1288041177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IT'S OK YOU CAN USE http://www.funtoo.org/ < 1288041179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT USES GIT < 1288041184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND UTF-8 < 1288041198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ALSO REISERFS < 1288041202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S THE KILLER APP IMO < 1288041216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that shit. < 1288041220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XZ < 1288041220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funtoo switched from bz2 to xz compression in July 2010[13] < 1288041221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT DUDE < 1288041222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XZ < 1288041228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY RESIST < 1288041253 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was going to ask if that was sfw then i realized what the world totally needs is a nsfw linux distro < 1288041277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man white supremacy + linux forum, this is just ... the best thing ever < 1288041280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The jewing of Linux part II < 1288041280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting discussion on jew Stallman, trying to hijack Linux. How typical. < 1288041286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't stop laughing < 1288041319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ < 1288041320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Being a Fan of Prussian Blue and having used to some extend Linux for the last 7 years, I intend to make a Live / installable CD of a Linux distro "Prussinux" whith special themes, graphics, an audio, to the tune of this neat WN Band." < 1288041325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot make this shit up. < 1288041340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Aryan Linux or Aryanux is a good project, I' ve also come up with Whitnux whith a regalia dressed KKK wizzard, and Nazinux... ;)") < 1288041346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... totally give up on reading this < 1288041390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I know what to call it < 1288041391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd like a distro that's actually up-to-date, rather than having a lot of unmaintained packages. And that doesn't suck. WHY IS THIS HARD. < 1288041392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: threadbare linux < 1288041396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288041397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tuxedo has been worn < 1288041406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Use Threadbare Linux. < 1288041410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's 1993 stable. < 1288041416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit they're making Debian tempting. Very very tempting. < 1288041416 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daniel Robbins sounds like he's related to Tony Robbins: "The following articles, written by Daniel Robbins, will put you on the fast track to becoming a Linux expert. These articles have been used by thousands to learn Linux in a 100% confusion-free environment and are the most effective way to become a master of key Linux technologies -- in a matter of minutes!" < 1288041423 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288041424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Debian + Xfce works quite well. < 1288041431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sudo aptitude install xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies < 1288041437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, and sudo aptitude install slim < 1288041440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the simple login manager < 1288041445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That gets you a full Xfce desktop. < 1288041454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Er, you have to install sudo first, obviously. < 1288041463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To Jigdo! < 1288041464 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enters a 1000% confusion-free environment < 1288041469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ehm < 1288041473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: jigdo is deprecated and unmaintained :P < 1288041479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Testing. They only do Jigdo images. < 1288041482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...wrong. < 1288041486 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288041489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Here you go: < 1288041493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ < 1288041496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netinst (generally 135-175 MB) and businesscard (generally 20-50 MB) CD images < 1288041496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[amd64][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] < 1288041498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want this one. < 1288041501 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts disintigrating from the sheer coherence < 1288041505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's the daily build of the testing installer. < 1288041524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay then. < 1288041536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why do they still have Jigdo, then? It kinda sucks. < 1288041537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jigdo is pretty stillborn; it never got to the point of actually being usable, then it became dormant for years, then it became abandoned. < 1288041546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because Debian ... don't really remove stuff. < 1288041557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: KITTEN < 1288041564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They are not information elitists :P < 1288041570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They are digital communists. < 1288041576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: THREADBARE LINUX DUDE < 1288041578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it runs on linux 0.1 < 1288041589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS86 =as -0 -a < 1288041589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC86 =cc -0 < 1288041589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD86 =ld -0 < 1288041593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HELL DOES -0 DO < 1288041598 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and Kitten *won't*? are you *nuts*? < 1288041598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc: unrecognized option '-0' < 1288041607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm only nuts in HUTS! What? < 1288041632 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LINUX 0.1 and NETBSD CO-KERNELling together somehows < 1288041633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : chmem +65000 tools/build < 1288041635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that... chmod? < 1288041662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I need an a.out compiler. < 1288041664 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1288041669 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is chmem! < 1288041673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Debian has no a.out compilers! < 1288041674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HORROR! < 1288041675 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minix3.org/previous-versions/Intel-2.0.3/wwwman/man1/chmem.1.html presumably < 1288041682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hawow < 1288041685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ha wow < 1288041690 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like AmigaDOS'es "stack" command < 1288041718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i am totally going to get this doing graphics < 1288041729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard can the X protocol be?! < 1288041767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, and for multilib support I guess I'll just have a Debian chroot. It's at least much easier than a Gentoo chroot. < 1288041772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, "debootstrap". < 1288041774 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the basics of X are pretty simple... you'll have to learn a hundred misused, overused, disused, deprecated extensions though < 1288041777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1288041789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, for a while I had a 32-bit Debian chroot on my Gentoo system. < 1288041825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: By the way, make sure to *untick* "Graphical desktop environment" or whatever when it asks what you want to install. < 1288041827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's Gnome. < 1288041835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Of course. < 1288041844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why would I want to start with anything beyond the base install? < 1288041846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, and you probably want the graphical (it's exactly the same as the textual one, just easier to read), non-expert (the expert install is *crazy*) install. < 1288041858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By crazy I mean absolutely crazy. < 1288041859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Debian before you know. < 1288041865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can set up an encrypted LVM RAID in the installer. < 1288041873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've used the expert install. < 1288041874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right, well, debian-installer gets changed a lot, so :P < 1288041882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~Linux stability~ < 1288041886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, Linux 0.1 is stable. < 1288041889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how I know that? < 1288041891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it will never be changed. < 1288041917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. I'm figuring I'll create a new LVM volume to install the Debian root on so if I really do something stupid Gentoo's still *there*. < 1288041935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers < 1288041942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To cdrecord. < 1288041945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crosstools.html < 1288041950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They have a bunch of cross-compilers pre-compiled ^ < 1288041957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once you have that then install whichever version of the tools you want. e.g: < 1288041957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install libc6-armel-cross libc6-dev-armel-cross binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi gcc-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi g++-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi" < 1288041969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : To cdrecord. < 1288041976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not cdrecord in Debian! Well it is, but it's not from the cdrecord release. < 1288041984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's wodim! < 1288041996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's the name of the actual program. < 1288042004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's exactly the same (fork of last sanely-licensed cdrecord). < 1288042007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just use wodim(1) instead :P < 1288042049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you want to read a whine about it, well, http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.htm! < 1288042076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*html < 1288042154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh. < 1288042160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why is it so hard to get an a.out toolchain? < 1288042166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'Cause. < 1288042202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/threadbare$ sudo debootstrap --arch=i386 lenny build < 1288042203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho hum. < 1288042301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Come to think of it, I may want to compile a circa-1993 toolchain...NO. < 1288042315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, try playing websplat on http://wiki.winehq.org/Wine64ForPackagers the scoreboard looks broken < 1288042324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, when installing Xfce, remember to include xfce4-goodies; Debian loves to split stuff up... < 1288042389 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *eh*, it's not /very/ broken :P < 1288042443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get a new CD burner. < 1288042443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it is *very* broken on http://lipforge.ens-lyon.fr/www/pff/ though < 1288042474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd forgotten it needs -force to burn anything. < 1288042479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, (if you wonder why that page, I'm just checking on most open tabs of my browser) < 1288042513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still fails. Fek. < 1288042519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB DRIVE, AWAY < 1288042532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also you can't stand on all lines of text on the last one I pasted. Try the first one after the top header, you can stand on the links but nowhere else on that line < 1288042535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: LOLOLOL < 1288042538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You'll need to use unetbootin. < 1288042539 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I used Xfce for a while, after blackbox, on somethingBSD. It was nice < 1288042554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfce is alright it's just so BORING :P < 1288042568 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: totally want to write my own. totally never will. < 1288042579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Eh, I can just use syslinux myself. < 1288042590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: good luck < 1288042596 0 :Guest11844!~burak@95.8.156.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288042609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1288042616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: when building a cross-compiler, ARCH is a tuple, right? < 1288042619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just the architecture name < 1288042635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuple. < 1288042668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's the tuple for a.out elf on a 386 :P < 1288042674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual 286/386 stuff, none of this i686 shit < 1288042678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, any idea why the counters are white on white there? < 1288042694 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That page is nasty in general >_> < 1288042700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how so? < 1288042702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, handy. Just dd http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz to a USB drive after gunzip'ing, and voila. < 1288042709 0 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.rh.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1288042713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeaaaaah but that's a very limited thing, iirc. < 1288042716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You have to append the iso. < 1288042718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi evincar < 1288042720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you do. < 1288042724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You have to append the ISO. < 1288042726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, doesn't linux 0.1 have a hardcoded swedish keymap? < 1288042729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy will this be fun < 1288042730 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Hi. < 1288042735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Copy it on, not append, apparently. Bleh. < 1288042739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's annoying. < 1288042747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "copy it on"? < 1288042749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just do < 1288042752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it looks HTML4-ish to me, with CSS bolted on < 1288042757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zcat boot.img.gz; cat foo.iso) >/dev/blah < 1288042758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you? < 1288042770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right no < 1288042771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288042773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to put the iso in there < 1288042774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288042777 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it doesn't use !important so I don't see what could fail < 1288042787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises he said "a.out elf" < 1288042799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so do you know what the tuple is for a.out, linux, 286/386? :P < 1288042842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm the text you can't stand on seems to be outside any

! < 1288042845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that is strange < 1288042851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what breaks it? < 1288042899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, doesn't linux 0.1 have a hardcoded swedish keymap? <-- not _that_ different :P < 1288042916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root@dinky:/# aptitude install fakeroot dpkg-cross && aptitude build-dep binutils gcc-3.4 < 1288042917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoo boy. < 1288042932 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably, but it shouldn't, I haven't figured it out yet. < 1288042937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1288042942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ho, I lack install media. < 1288042957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, still I can't figure out what would mess up the score board. < 1288042967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there we go. < 1288042967 0 :Guest11844!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1288042997 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what are the rules for what you can and can't stand on? < 1288043008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Complicated. < 1288043041 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complicated. < 1288043226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know the tuple? >_< < 1288043247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO THE INSTALLER < 1288043248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1288043260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YOU SEEM LIKE A CROSS-COMPILEY GUY RIGHT? < 1288043277 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhh, no? :P < 1288043285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BAH < 1288043296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, Vorpal is probably the only one here who knows it. < 1288043301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some value of ironically. < 1288043386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to build a cross compiler? easy < 1288043397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since elliott is probably ignoring me... < 1288043461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, my Chrome broke. < 1288043466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it doesn't record entries in the history. < 1288043509 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I remember gcc 2.95 < 1288043511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cool < 1288043531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I should totally build gcc 2 with it, but Debian has the ability to build gcc 3.4 easily this way and I'm lazy as fuck. < 1288043538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yes, so it was. < 1288043546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do have the power of logs though! Do you know what the tuple is for 286/286 (not i686) a.out? < 1288043555 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yeeeah, way back in like 2001. < 1288043567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And is $ARCH that tuple, or is it just the ISA? < 1288043594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use Linex for Churches < 1288043594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, < 1288043594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am new to Lynex." <-- could you spell it more wrongly? < 1288043596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lynecks. < 1288043617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when it comes to $ARCH, that sounds debian specific. Never used their build system to build a cross compiler. But tuple for 286, I seen that once, trying to remember what it was. < 1288043633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.... < 1288043637 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The opposite of rednecks. If your neck ain't good an' red, you must be a lyin' no-good-fer-nuthin' city slicker. < 1288043650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coming from an atheist, Happy easter!" ;; uh oh, thread implosion predicted in three... two... one... < 1288043683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does gcc 3.4 actually support 286? < 1288043722 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Gregor LIES. < 1288043725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, it never did. < 1288043735 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No versin of GCC supported 286 ... < 1288043738 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He knows the dark art of cross-compilation ALL TOO WELL. < 1288043742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 386 is fine. < 1288043742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1288043747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux built on a 386, so woo < 1288043762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, I think $ARCH is just passed to like --arch= or whatever in the cross-compiler. < 1288043769 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, 386 is easy. i386-pc-linux-gnu < 1288043788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, who knows for linux 0.1 < 1288043791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could have been different then < 1288043796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No official version, anyway; there are some DJGPP patches for a 8086-targeting gcc-2.7.2.3 cross-compiler. < 1288043808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I'm building gcc 3.4 to build linux 0.1. < 1288043809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No 32-bit anything (longs or pointers). No "far". No float or double at all. Since djlink doesn't support commons yet, no uninitialized non-stack variables." < 1288043811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i386-pc-linux-gnu is the "traditional" as in "what was common the last 10 years" or such < 1288043815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, you might say it's a bit limited. < 1288043828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: After I have linux 0.1, I'll install an old circa-1993 or so gcc/libc combo package and rebuild the system with that. < 1288043838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1288043852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you turn off the ignore? Talking through logs is quite silly < 1288043861 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288043863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fine, fine, I'll turn it off. < 1288043879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my ignore list is only one person big! < 1288043885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it has been rather peaceful the last few days though. :P < 1288043891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terribly. < 1288043900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, boringly peaceful even < 1288043907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. We need more arguments. < 1288043928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1288043930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Quick, say something disagreaable. < 1288043931 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and ' () < 1288043949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: any idea what -mstring-insns did? :P < 1288043950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! spacing is horrible there (does it even work?) < 1288043953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Any < 1288043964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes it owkr < 1288043965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh... I seen that quite reasonably. < 1288043966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works < 1288043971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it isn't still supported? < 1288043973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Recently presumably? < 1288043978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are you sur? < 1288043980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure? < 1288043981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# If you don't have '-mstring-insns' in your gcc (and nobody but me has :-) < 1288043981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# remove them from the CFLAGS defines. < 1288043987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Linus Torvalds, Makefile, linux 0.1 < 1288043994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288044000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux: The 0.01 Release | KernelTrap < 1288044000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 Jul 2007 ... I'm using a slightly hacked gcc-1.40, to which I have added a -mstring-insns flag, which uses the i386 string instructions for structure ... < 1288044005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288044009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used 386 string functions < 1288044009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288044010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 2007? < 1288044017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I meant 0.01 < 1288044017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 0.1 < 1288044024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: someone's look back at it < 1288044042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was about to say that it seemed plausible that it was something to do with string instructions however < 1288044049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288044055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just compile it without < 1288044058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1288044066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do need a cc/as/etc. with a "-0" flag though. < 1288044073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS86 =as -0 -a < 1288044074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to < 1288044075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that a zero? < 1288044078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS =gas < 1288044082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. and no i have no idea either < 1288044086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the null set < 1288044091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# If you don't have '-mstring-insns' in your gcc (and nobody but me has :-) < 1288044091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# remove them from the CFLAGS defines. < 1288044093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFLAGS =-Wall -O -fstrength-reduce -fomit-frame-pointer -fcombine-regs < 1288044094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail :D < 1288044095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1288044113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I especially like my hard-disk-driver. Anybody else make interrupts drive a state-machine?" < 1288044115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god :P < 1288044127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, -fcombine-regs doesn't sound familiar to me at all < 1288044135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, better check your cross gcc has it < 1288044135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, gcc 1 :P < 1288044141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh < 1288044142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'll just cut it out. < 1288044150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it could break something < 1288044155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just need something to boot, *then* I can recompile it historically accurately. < 1288044159 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as -∅ -ω 6 -¢ < 1288044160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt gcc 1 would run on this system, after all. < 1288044169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably true < 1288044179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't even found any gcc 1 copy < 1288044185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you find it < 1288044190 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> "I especially like my hard-disk-driver. Anybody else make interrupts drive a state-machine?" < 1288044193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: David Parsons has some really old gcc/libc combo distributions. < 1288044194 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1288044199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tarballs named jumpN < 1288044200 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where to begin' < 1288044203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm trying to load that page. < 1288044207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Linus Torvalds is AWESOME < 1288044216 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a awesome way to implement a hard disk driver < 1288044220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an* < 1288044228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Older versions of libc were apparently shipped tightly coupled with gcc, under the names “jump4?.tar” — if you have one of these tarballs lying around on an old SLS, Slackware, MCC, TAMU, or root/boot set, I’d love to have a copy of it.]] < 1288044229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1288044232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could steal it from the SLS floppies < 1288044243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you have SLS floppies? < 1288044248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ibiblio does < 1288044251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288044258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/sls/1.03/ < 1288044274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they might use ext, that is what we would today call ext1 < 1288044280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ha no < 1288044281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is definitely no longer supported < 1288044282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: minix file system. < 1288044287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh wait the floppies? < 1288044290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, which iirc *is* still supported < 1288044291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, one of them's a boot floppy < 1288044295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and the others are just directories < 1288044300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can write as either i think linux < 1288044302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288044302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or FAT < 1288044305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppies < 1288044334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ibiblio is extremely slow from here, still loading. Always like that... < 1288044343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're not exactly prioritising speed :D < 1288044355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://gcc.gnu.org/releases.html < 1288044358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I heard people in US claim it was fast from there < 1288044363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egcs 1.0 from 1997 :D < 1288044372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they appear to not have older versions < 1288044376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is the oldest one around indeed < 1288044396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Rate how exciting this idea sounds: Digging around SLS floppies < 1288044406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: REALLY FUCKING EXCITING < 1288044415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be interesting indeed < 1288044420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/sls/1.03/ < 1288044422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directories are floppies. < 1288044423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go go go < 1288044432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elfabi.tgz < 1288044432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have reasonably-named filse in like "lilo.tgz" < 1288044435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that is < 1288044436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*files < 1288044440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ELF ABI? :P < 1288044447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psht it's totally too new if it's ELF though. < 1288044455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure Linux 0.1 was a.out only :P < 1288044462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, ELF ABI *docs* or what < 1288044471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA cool linux 0.1 comes with an init < 1288044473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: support? < 1288044474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1288044480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * we need this inline - forking from kernel space will result < 1288044480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * in NO COPY ON WRITE (!!!), until an execve is executed. This < 1288044495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CMOS_READ(addr) ({ \ < 1288044495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outb_p(0x80|addr,0x70); \ < 1288044495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb_p(0x71); \ < 1288044495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}) < 1288044495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define BCD_TO_BIN(val) ((val)=((val)&15) + ((val)>>4)*10) < 1288044497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THIS IN INIT(1) < 1288044502 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs fit on a floppy it seems. Even then it took almost an entire one though < 1288044516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm totally going to get X11 running on this thing. < 1288044522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't care if I have to backport smallX. < 1288044528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.superant.com/smalllinux/tinyX01.html < 1288044532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny libc5 X11 < 1288044539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My experience has been using Linux with X Windows on a desktop system with 4 meg of ram and a 200 meg harddrive." < 1288044549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forces elliott to backport one of the X versions using HAL < 1288044573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't be silly. X.org never used HAL. Next you'll be telling me The Matrix has sequels. < 1288044584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, touche < 1288044607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i think smallX uses libc5 < 1288044608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1288044615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha joe.tgz < 1288044621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vgalib! < 1288044629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/sls/1.03/a3/theory.sls < 1288044631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLS philosophy! < 1288044637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clisp.tgz 08-Sep-2003 15:09 367K < 1288044643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what version that was < 1288044654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: holy crap, it has a package manager < 1288044655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/sls/1.03/a3/theory.sls < 1288044679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? It is small enough there isn't much point to have a package manager < 1288044679 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288044725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did not spot libc, I did come a cross some gccish thingy < 1288044730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://gcc-uk.internet.bs/old-releases/gcc-1/ if you needed a GCC 1 copy. < 1288044732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually gxx < 1288044734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh < 1288044742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gxx245.tgz 08-Sep-2003 15:09 556K < 1288044748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I do, thank you kindly. < 1288044755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.21 .. 1.42 are there. < 1288044757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this one has a rather later gcc version < 1288044764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, useless modern bloat. < 1288044768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD < 1288044771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I located that link when looking for the nethack pragma thing.) < 1288044775 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288044779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You need to compile it with gcc (I use 1.40, don't know if < 1288044780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.37.1 will handle all __asm__-directives)" < 1288044782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.40. Yay. < 1288044786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nethack pragma? < 1288044793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gcc-1.40.tar.bz2 02-Jun-1991 10:03 1.4M < 1288044796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one. < 1288044796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh the error? < 1288044801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right, that. < 1288044814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Uhh, I'll also need a similarly-aged libc. < 1288044817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC sources in 1.4M: obviously part of the Good Old Days. < 1288044819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For userland programs. < 1288044842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at http://www.oldlinux.org/ < 1288044870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oldlinux.org/Linux.old/ < 1288044880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oldlinux.org/Linux.old/libs/libc/! < 1288044910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott looks at http://www.oldlinux.org/ <-- aaargh the wide chars < 1288044918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ??? < 1288044923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks perfectly normal to me. < 1288044959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it renders using those wide "fit into japanese/chinese text" thingies for me < 1288044962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand-written config.gcc! < 1288044966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your fonts suck :P < 1288044969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Usage: config.gcc [vint] [-srcdir=DIR] machine < 1288044975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, only to the entry "changelog" though < 1288044977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1288044979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders wtf vint is < 1288044980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that it is normal < 1288044991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, vertical integer? < 1288044994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1288045002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1288045003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vertically integrated compiler manufacturing < 1288045012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : vax) # for vaxen running bsd < 1288045012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;; < 1288045012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ultrix) # for vaxen running ultrix < 1288045012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpu_type=vax < 1288045012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;; < 1288045020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The header there has CHANGELOG -- I guess that, even after , still affects the rendering. < 1288045039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you see the same issue as I do? < 1288045053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, vint = "Very Integrated Natural Technology" < 1288045082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not exactly: it looks reasonably normal-width, but I don't think it's in my default font. < 1288045082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Organic technology. < 1288045082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It displays in FreeSerif for me I think. < 1288045095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my default font, but still perfectly reasonable. < 1288045106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm going to have all the versions of this start with 0.01. < 1288045117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threadbare linux system 0.0129 < 1288045119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not gcc, I doubt that would work < 1288045120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's version 29. < 1288045126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Of Threadbare. < 1288045135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The only Linux distro to be built on linux 0.01! Ever! < 1288045156 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288045185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Featuring: A compiler! Libraries! Bash! An X server! < 1288045189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe even perl! < 1288045197 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ < 1288045202 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!! < 1288045204 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1288045207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Comes with COMPLETE source code and makefile to build the floppies. < 1288045233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And speaking of floppies, it fits on three! Or four! < 1288045235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bash? hah < 1288045242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1288045247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. Linus Torvalds used bash on linux 0.01. < 1288045253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this because the release notes say that bash works. < 1288045256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288045269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Of course, that's, like, bash 1. < 1288045270 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: read that faq, it's funny < 1288045273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, be aware of that modern syntax is not likely to work < 1288045274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 2, maybe. More likely 1. < 1288045278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No shit :P < 1288045290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nothing modern will work. At all. < 1288045296 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288045308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but that will make the boot strapping from a modern system painful < 1288045314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i386-sysv | i386v) # for Intel 80386's running system V < 1288045317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also just forget virtualbox, go for qemu probably < 1288045321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or bochs... < 1288045325 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288045330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that from config.guess? < 1288045333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: config.gcc. < 1288045336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1288045336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only configure script. < 1288045341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sets up some symlinks for the makefile. < 1288045347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The oldlinux.org guy got linux 0.11 working in bochs. < 1288045348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not autoconf I guess < 1288045350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if qemu doesn't work I'll go bochs. < 1288045352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hahaha no. < 1288045363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I misspoke when I said 1993 of course. < 1288045365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is from 1991. < 1288045369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1288045421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Compile the source, making necessary changes into the < 1288045422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makefiles and linux/include/linux/config.h and linux/boot/boot.s." < 1288045423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooo. < 1288045441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the csh, you can't redirect stdout out stderr, so you end up doing something silly like this: < 1288045441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sh -c 'echo "$0: cannot find $file" 1>&2' < 1288045443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1288045459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is that from the old csh sucks thing? < 1288045469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it should clearly be < 1288045469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is from http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ which cpressey linked above < 1288045477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$0: cannot find $file" | sh -s 'cat 1>&2' < 1288045478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1288045479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-c < 1288045482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more modular! < 1288045486 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288045491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah right < 1288045493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 1> is of course useless < 1288045495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$0: cannot find $file" | sh -s 'cat>&2' < 1288045497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1288045499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$0: cannot find $file" | sh -c 'cat>&2' < 1288045501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAY < 1288045535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wait. < 1288045540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm going to have to compile gcc 1.40 for *minix* < 1288045550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting to note at this point is that i DON'T HAVE MINIX < 1288045562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what E486: Pattern not found: minix < 1288045583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i should just compile the kernel with gcc 3.4, shouldn't i < 1288045617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if that works < 1288045620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which it might not < 1288045628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *shrug*, I'm fine making small patches. < 1288045646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no idea how much would would be required. At all < 1288045654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's actually linux 0.01tb! < 1288045689 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a better Jabber client than Empathy. People IM me and it doesn't notify me in any perceptible way. < 1288045693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What you should do is to go find Linus, get a big one of those butterfly net things, catch him in it, and then make him make it work; after all, he's done it before. < 1288045714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Pidgin. < 1288045728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Also, Empathy does notify you if you have a libnotify daemon thing running. < 1288045729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, eh. < 1288045731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just install Pidgin. < 1288045740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went back to bitlbee for Jabber again, but, well, you know, bitlbee. < 1288045741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tb? < 1288045744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, but he built it in 1991 on Minix :P < 1288045757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "but, well, you know, bitlbee" summarises my feelings about bitlbee exactly. < 1288045767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pikhq will hate you for putting someone back in the claws of The Pidge. < 1288045768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tuberculosis! Actually Threadbare. < 1288045773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: pikhq uses Pidgin. < 1288045775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah right < 1288045791 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, was it not him who was virulently anti-Pidgin? < 1288045793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Diffs are offered from stock linux 0.01! < 1288045804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: He said it sucked the last time he tried it and I said it was a little better and he said yeah actually it is. < 1288045817 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oaky < 1288045827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1288045828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hey typing oaky for okay is MINE < 1288045830 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but - bitlbee! sounds unf! < 1288045839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: bitlbee! It's a local IRC server. < 1288045842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to emulate AT. not ATA. < 1288045844 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unf" was completely accidental btw < 1288045847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pretends all your contacts are little IRC users. < 1288045849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ... uh. < 1288045852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you... sure? < 1288045855 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unf! < 1288045856 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not 100% < 1288045861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but probably < 1288045869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, check release notes < 1288045873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: also you'll want to install pidgin-libnotify. < 1288045888 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unf -> right hand outpacing left hand a lot < 1288045907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: How to make Pidgin not awful: Set contact list to compact mode. Go into sound configuration, disable the annoying buddy logs on/off sounds. Go to plugins, configure libnotify plugin, probably turn off buddy signs on/off notifications unless you want them. < 1288045920 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ty will try < 1288045924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I'm sure for 0.01 < 1288045927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Go into Pidgin preferences, set minimum message box height to zero. Start conversation. Go into the menus, select Disable Formatting Toolbar. < 1288045930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1288045930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whoo boy :P < 1288045932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1288045933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: qemu can't do that right? < 1288045934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The end. < 1288045936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - 386 AT < 1288045941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - AT-type harddisk controller (IDE is fine) < 1288045943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1288045947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might work < 1288045958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh man I'm going to patch the libc to pretend it's eternal whatever-day-Linux-was-released < 1288045967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: forget eternal september with its day numbers in the thousands < 1288045971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're gonna have SO MANY FUCKING HOURS in this day < 1288045979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootup message: "Welcome to 1991!" < 1288045991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are going to overflow those unsigned chars < 1288045998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: THAT'S OKAY < 1288046004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better if they were signed./ < 1288046006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*signed. < 1288046008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because I doubt they wasted 32 bits on hours back then < 1288046017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they might be < 1288046021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's gnu libc. < 1288046024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could change the ABI quite easily < 1288046025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they were wasteful. < 1288046030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hours are in floating point < 1288046031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not so much back then < 1288046035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, you could change the ABI quite easily < 1288046036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have to < 1288046038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static linking, remember? < 1288046042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1288046045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be no fuss doing so < 1288046045 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1288046050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i'd have to recompile everything anyway < 1288046066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and there isn't a lot to recompile! < 1288046072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Supported upgrade method: < 1288046075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# cd /usr < 1288046080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, please keep the original charmap by default < 1288046081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# mv src src.old < 1288046083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ftp < 1288046087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...download new source tgz... < 1288046091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, make it a compile time option to accept other ones or such < 1288046098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the original is *traditional* < 1288046101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# gunzip src.tgz < 1288046109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# tar xf src < 1288046113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# cd src < 1288046116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# make < 1288046117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "Disk full" < 1288046122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This produces all the binaries, right? < 1288046126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, now < 1288046129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# make install < 1288046131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Job done! < 1288046138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this looks BSDish suddenly < 1288046149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did I mention that would replace your currently-executing kernel file too? < 1288046150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH YEAH. < 1288046166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is 0.01 actually self hosting? < 1288046168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1 was iirc < 1288046171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It runs gcc, I think. < 1288046172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 0.01? < 1288046177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also bash. < 1288046179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What more do you need? < 1288046184 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.11/20101012113537] < 1288046192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did I mention that src.tgz contains literally every program in the system? < 1288046213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From kernel to gcc to libc to smallX to whatever else. :P < 1288046219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1288046219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RECOMPILE EVERYTHING WOO IT'S JUST LIKE GENTOO < 1288046226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the make steps would probably be < 1288046227 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMW "seconds" are 2/3rds of a second. < 1288046230 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why. < 1288046230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# make gcc < 1288046233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# make install-gcc < 1288046238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# make install < 1288046243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe libc too. < 1288046260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you want to compile everything with the latest gcc and libc, of course! < 1288046277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Every three seconds, decrement the time by two. Easy! < 1288046291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Clearly they only had cycles enough to decrement something twice every three seconds. < 1288046297 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Alternatively, every 20 frames, decrement the time by one ... < 1288046308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: See? :P < 1288046334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm going to have to set up a Minix box, aren't I? < 1288046335 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fun, read "6. The file system" in the release notes < 1288046341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is some fragile stuff < 1288046360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW http://www.oldlinux.org/Linux.old/Linux-0.01/docs/ < 1288046362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need 1.5.10 of minix: < 1288046364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSTALLATION there is interesting. < 1288046367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : NOTE! Minix-1.6.16 seems to have a new FS, with minor < 1288046367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : modifications to the 1.5.10 I've been using. Linux < 1288046367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : won't understand the new system. < 1288046385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ha < 1288046395 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1288046403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The main difference is in the fact that minix has a single-threaded < 1288046403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file-system and linux hasn't. Implementing a single-threaded FS is much < 1288046403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier as you don't need to worry about other processes allocating < 1288046403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buffer blocks etc while you do something else. It also means that you < 1288046403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lose some of the multiprocessing so important to unix.]] < 1288046405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a bit further down: "Sadly it has the not so nice property that race-conditions can happen almost everywhere. " < 1288046408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "We're better than Minix!" < 1288046409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1288046416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess multitasking is not so recommended. < 1288046425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, read on < 1288046430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do I want to? < 1288046434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just closed it :P < 1288046448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1288046449 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-238-244.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288046454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel-1.5 Unpacked bzipped tar file gzipped tar file < 1288046457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, minix3.org! < 1288046466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far so good. < 1288046476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You have Debian testing installed? < 1288046479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that was quite fitting to the convo elliott had < 1288046482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with me < 1288046495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is the worst fs design ever :D < 1288046498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yup. < 1288046499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, no deadlocks! < 1288046500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dreadlocks. < 1288046507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have a lot of dread at this. < 1288046509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Xfce? < 1288046524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You < 1288046524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should find binaries for 'update' and 'bash' at the same place you found < 1288046524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, which will have to be put into the '/bin' directory on the < 1288046524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specified root-device" < 1288046528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you don't want to self host this thingy < 1288046528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE THE FUCK IS UPDATE < 1288046534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't see why not. < 1288046535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yup. < 1288046546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the fs is likely to break during compilation < 1288046548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SLIM? :P < 1288046552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not if I do it single-taskedly... < 1288046552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "update"? what it is supposed to do < 1288046556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know. < 1288046582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now audio isn't working. < 1288046589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You haven't installed ALSA. < 1288046594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a daemon of some sort < 1288046597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (I wouldn't trust Debian's OSSv4.) < 1288046604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But anyway, you could easily just compile it by shutting down X and compiling. < 1288046605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Logging out from the "login-shell" will automatically do a sync, and will leave you hanging without any processes (except update, which isn't much fun), so do the "three-finger-salute" to restart dos/minix/linux or whatever." < 1288046607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1288046607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it did multiple consoles. < 1288046610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh < 1288046623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess it's the included init/ < 1288046634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, strange name for it < 1288046644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*init/main.c. < 1288046647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this version has no file system security I think < 1288046648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, this is a distraction! Let us all download Minix 1.5. < 1288046651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minix3.org/previous-versions/bzipped/Intel-1.5.tar.bz2 < 1288046656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Who needs it? < 1288046685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet! It's floppy images. < 1288046688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Minix) < 1288046693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I remember reading somewhere that linus implemented file system permissions the day after he did minicom /dev/hda (or the equiv back then) by mistake < 1288046696 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NEED sane WM < 1288046700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of minicom /dev/ttyS0 < 1288046708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wow... what would that have done? < 1288046710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabbed everything is stupidest idea < 1288046715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait, there it is. ALSA settings. < 1288046720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Huh hm what are you using < 1288046726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You probably *don't have ALSA installed*. < 1288046726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, written modem AT commands to the boot sector I think :P < 1288046726 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gnome desktop < 1288046731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do. < 1288046736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Uh um uh. < 1288046739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not OSSv4? :P < 1288046744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hadn't set the mixer right. < 1288046750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, port OSSv4 to linux 0.01 < 1288046752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ALSA is a dependency of Quod Libet. :P < 1288046753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1288046756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aww < 1288046759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Doesn't it use gstreamer? < 1288046763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1288046767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, and MIDORI MIDORI MIDORI < 1288046768 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not the WM so much as the TABS. and i can't do much about stupid app ui design can i. < 1288046782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: gnome wm has no tabs so you mean like < 1288046784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox and shit? < 1288046804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gstreamer has a recommended dependency on ALSA. And Debian now actually assumes you want the recommendations unless you tell it not to. < 1288046807 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1288046814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can override that. < 1288046823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But, really, I wouldn't trust Debian's OSSv4. :P < 1288046837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't installed Debian's OSSv4, so. :P < 1288046842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ qemu -fda univ_boot.01 < 1288046847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this actually fucking shows a boot menu. < 1288046858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even minix had keymaps :D < 1288046862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard, U.S. extended or Dutch for PS/2 < 1288046863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah. < 1288046868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernels: AT, XT, PS/2, BIOS < 1288046874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION , adventurously, tries PS/2 < 1288046884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION inserts the root diskette < 1288046914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to keep the .fi keymap as hardcoded default. It is historic after all. < 1288046937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sad linux went US keymap by default < 1288047006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's swedish isn't it < 1288047020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden-speaking minority of finland < 1288047021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, today they are. I don't know if they were back then < 1288047026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ??? < 1288047031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i meant the hardcoded keymap < 1288047034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1288047035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may be the same, yeah < 1288047037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did I < 1288047045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh how do you switch floppy with qemu's console? < 1288047050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, today fi and se keymaps are the same < 1288047053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what pc vs ps is < 1288047055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps is ps/2 i guess < 1288047058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i want the ps floppies < 1288047067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But, anyways, this is nice. It just works. < 1288047073 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who knows if they were the same in 1991 < 1288047073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1288047075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change fda foo < 1288047077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed < 1288047079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's pretty nice. < 1288047086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm thinking about installing that setup myself now. < 1288047091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xfce really is a nice little thing. < 1288047103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on Arch/Xfce before but that sucked ass. < 1288047109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just because Arch sucks ass :P < 1288047126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The fda device has not been found" < 1288047127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1288047127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sourcemage/xfce < 1288047131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits < 1288047132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's floppy0 < 1288047135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you say -fda < 1288047136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1288047144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even though this guide says fda so presumably it was fda at one point < 1288047146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lawl < 1288047150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FRUGALWARE < 1288047153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/Xfce < 1288047159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which one was that now again < 1288047169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: [[Frugalware Linux is a general-purpose Linux distribution designed for intermediate users who are familiar with command-line operations. It is based on Slackware, but uses the Pacman package management system.[1]]] < 1288047175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit rubbish, I gather < 1288047181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slackware + pacman < 1288047182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wtf < 1288047186 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1288047188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slackman < 1288047191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Freespire/Xfce < 1288047198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wtf :P < 1288047212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Progeny Componentized Linux/Xfce < 1288047216 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1288047216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just reeling off the list here < 1288047220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I never heard that one < 1288047222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progeny_Linux_Systems < 1288047223 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard of* < 1288047230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: made by the company run by Ian Murdock, Debian founder! < 1288047233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Mandriva/CDE! < 1288047247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux 0.01/twm! < 1288047248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1288047261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg invalid root file sysetm < 1288047261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did that one intentionally :P < 1288047263 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurd/HotJava < 1288047263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries < 1288047267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey wins < 1288047268 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ouch < 1288047274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just... < 1288047279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotjava as a DE. < 1288047280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1288047286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i -- think i hate cpressey for giving me that image. < 1288047318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: okay i'm going to use the bios kernel < 1288047321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll almost certainly work! :P < 1288047324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought hotjava was a browser or something? < 1288047339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1288047345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yup < 1288047350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first browser to be JAVA-ENABLED < 1288047354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nope! < 1288047354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: yup < 1288047357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1288047359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it'll almost certainly work! :P < 1288047361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nope! < 1288047362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1288047365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so your message was in-between < 1288047367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's what i meant < 1288047370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1288047398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is ... not reassuring < 1288047403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else wanna try and get minix to boot? < 1288047425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1288047441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, try getting 0.1 to work, then bootstrap it from there? < 1288047454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: naw < 1288047458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way more fun to build it from minix < 1288047461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or try the dog slow emulator < 1288047466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably will work < 1288047470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bochs' slowness doesn't bother me < 1288047472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the configuration file < 1288047476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever tweaked it? < 1288047477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me cry < 1288047483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ages ago < 1288047489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what it was like < 1288047490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Finnish keyboard (oh, you can use a US keyboard, but not < 1288047491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : without some practise :-) < 1288047495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linus can't touch-type! < 1288047496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linus can't touch-type! < 1288047497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha < 1288047503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay okay so it means the keys map wrongly < 1288047507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative to the layout < 1288047508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1288047508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *couldn't back then < 1288047508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT STILL < 1288047517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: even if he could < 1288047522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and well it wouldn't help < 1288047523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could have simply been that the scancodes are different < 1288047525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same position < 1288047529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on finnish vs us boards < 1288047541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish keyboard is hard-wired, and as I don't have a US one I < 1288047541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot change it without major problems. See kernel/keyboard.s for < 1288047541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :details. If anybody is willing to make an even partial port, I'd be < 1288047541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grateful. Shouldn't be too hard, as it's tabledriven (it's assembler < 1288047541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, so ...) < 1288047545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making that patch will be FUN < 1288047561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, keep it as it is ;P < 1288047575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, scan codes are the same on US and fi I guess. But someone used to US layout wouldn't expect / on shift-7 iirc < 1288047583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or your freaky o-letters < 1288047589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: linux 0.01tb can be patched, it's MODERN! < 1288047606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, must support Swedish layout still < 1288047612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *Finnish < 1288047612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1288047619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well they are the same afaik < 1288047623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it'll be uh < 1288047627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either < 1288047635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably what it'll be is a diff file < 1288047639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "make us" will apply it < 1288047642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: make us will be the default :P < 1288047657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it shouldn't be. That is non-traditional :P < 1288047668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not for linux 0.01tb! < 1288047680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you get minix working < 1288047683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could easily say < 1288047702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# make linux o=fi < 1288047707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the linux target it < 1288047708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1288047711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux: < 1288047726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ( cd linux; make $(o) ) < 1288047730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1288047757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you know the great thing? I don't need version numbers for the software < 1288047759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i will never upgrade < 1288047772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will this be your main system? < 1288047781 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I'm sure you will need to patch it a few times < 1288047791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: patched versions just become part of the next tb release, duh < 1288047803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh right < 1288047814 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tb needs version numbers < 1288047818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually come to think of it making everyone download src.tgz each time would be cruel, not everybody can afford that kind of bandwidth (and time!) < 1288047825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll also offer a diff < 1288047830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can apply to your /usr/src tree < 1288047836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gz'd of course < 1288047838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff.gz < 1288047847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, actually srcdiff.gz < 1288047929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that one should be diff-0.0123.gz or such < 1288047934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: get it from ftp, ac.unix.flr.ac.uk in pub/extra/user/e/ellioh/tbsys/srcdiff.gz! < 1288047941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the chance of typos is too easy otherwise < 1288047945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(system limits usernames to six chars!) < 1288047955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, typos < 1288047957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhh, dude, that's not an 8.3 filename. < 1288047969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, linux was 8.3 limited? < 1288047972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then?! < 1288047978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well if you're going to put it onto a floppy... < 1288047985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, minixfs < 1288047988 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for FAT < 1288047992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally things should be 8.3 because then you can put things onto a FAT floppy from MSDOS. < 1288048006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you'd need linux to install and that'd be a pain. < 1288048017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly a very well-known OS. < 1288048019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1288048029 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, for install you wouldn't download diff < 1288048035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed not. < 1288048049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But say you have an internet connection at uni but not at home. < 1288048057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is, of course, by far the most probable situation in 1991.) < 1288048060 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288048068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you just need to support whatever network card bochs emulates < 1288048072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You could download the file onto your school's mainframe < 1288048076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implement a TCP stack < 1288048078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copy it to a DOS floppy < 1288048083 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wget < 1288048086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then go home and use that to update. < 1288048102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How can you afford internet at home?! < 1288048107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1288048108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like $1,000/second! < 1288048201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288048221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is why you download it from a BBS instead < 1288048230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lawl < 1288048235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: All those megabytes??? < 1288048236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're insane! < 1288048249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, megabytes? *you* are insane :P < 1288048255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It goes on three floppies! < 1288048276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, single sided ones right? < 1288048286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 5 inch will work, as long as it's 1.44 < 1288048301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what?! no 8"? < 1288048310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: HA! Grampa! < 1288048327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also 5 never went up to 1.44 < 1288048350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, all of the files in the a2 directory should be copied to a < 1288048350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single floppy disk labeled a2; all of the files in the a4 directory < 1288048350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be copied to a single floppy disk labeled a4; and so on. It < 1288048350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter whether the floppies are 3 or 5 inch floppies; however, < 1288048350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do need to be the high density 1.2 meg or 1.44 meg size. < 1288048352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5¼-inch HD = 1.2 MB is max according to wikipedia < 1288048358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, okay then. < 1288048360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, 1.2 is enough! < 1288048432 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can barely conceive of 1.2M on a 5-1/4" disk < 1288048455 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppy, that is < 1288048474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What I wish Debian has is the patched freetype. Sigh. < 1288048476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, introduced in 1982 < 1288048506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1288048509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5¼-inch Perpendicular" 10 MB < 1288048517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Shouldn't be long, though. < 1288048526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that is vandalism < 1288048528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: says pikhq, about motherfucking *DEBIAN* < 1288048587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Looking similar to a standard 3 1/2-inch microfloppy, Maxell's new perpendicular recording disk stands magnetic particles on end to pack up to 100K of data per inch, about ten times the amount of a normal microfloppy." < 1288048599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol wat < 1288048620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, follow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk#cite_note-1986_maxell_drives-15 < 1288048633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But don't expect to see the perpendicular disk on store shelves for awhile. Perpendicular recording has been on the drawing boards for several years, but still hasn't proven to be as cost effective or as easily produced as traditional magnetic media, says Maxell's David Berry." < 1288048656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stripped-away views of two new 31/2-inch Winchester-style 30- and 20-megabyte hard-disk drives from Peripheral Technology, Inc. Unlike floppies, these hard disks are nonremovable media." < 1288048663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awesome XD < 1288048682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On another front, computer users are finding that Winchester-style hard disk drives are increasing in performance as they drop in price. Lower prices and ease of use—especially important with today's increasingly integrated, memory-hungry applications—are making hard disks attractive even to casual computer users" < 1288048694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes on to explain what a hard disk is < 1288048711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hey, minix gave me an error about reading winchester! < 1288048715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i tried to boot it :P < 1288048717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(old minix that is) < 1288048724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1288048727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288048730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you doing now btw? < 1288048732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering which combination i want < 1288048742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, minix in bochs < 1288048742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: taking a short break, pondering about whether to install debian or not :P < 1288048744 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a try < 1288048753 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why debian < 1288048755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you write the bochs configuration and i'll do it but no way am i touching that shit < 1288048765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because pikhq installed debian and it appears to be the path of least resistance atm < 1288048778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maxell's new ultra-micro 2½-inch floppy disk holds 500K of unformatted data and is planned for use in laptop computers and other selected markets." < 1288048785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm going to sleep shortly < 1288048796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: before you do, excellent thing would be to write bochs config! < 1288048805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Looking similar to a standard 31/2-inch microfloppy" < 1288048811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes, a 15 1/2 inch microfloppy! < 1288048817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that < 1288048818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friends < 1288048818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1288048819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1288048819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHE < 1288048821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said. < 1288048821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Wednesday will be fun < 1288048832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, with it being so... Wednesdayy. < 1288048838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes that too < 1288048853 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288048853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300th day of the year you know! < 1288048858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh now brb < 1288048860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it? < 1288048862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1288048863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says wikipedia < 1288048865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that < 1288048870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why you think it's interesting :P < 1288048871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1288048901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mandatory hands-on course about driving in slippery conditions < 1288048903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why < 1288048912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1288048943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have that in UK? < 1288048965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to one, was stopped in a queue waiting for my turn, and another participant rear-ended my father's car that I was using. :p < 1288048979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With very low speed, though.) < 1288048979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they provide the cars here < 1288048994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't think of why they do that < 1288049032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The basic principle of CD ROMs is similar to the audio CD. A low-power laser beam reads microscopic pits that have been burned into the disc itself. These pits—representing a series of ones and zeros—contain the data that in a magnetic medium would be formed by the arrangement of magnetic particles. The 4.7-inch CD-ROM discs contain a whopping 550 megabytes of data per disc. The first applications < 1288049032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are likely to be encyclopedias, such as the nine-million-word Academic American Encyclopedia, a 21-volume reference work that fits on just a quarter of one CD-ROM disc." < 1288049068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds strange. Though we did have some trouble in getting the anti-lock brakes and other such things disengaged from the very heterogenous set of cars, for that part where they wanted to show us how things go without such trickery. < 1288049108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, I couldn't use my parents car then, it has anti-locking on unconditionally < 1288049126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no anti-spin though < 1288049129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too old for that < 1288049177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did many of those if you just consider the regular "user interface"; some still could be disabled by disconnecting the right fuses from under the hood. < 1288049198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they did that? Won't that void warranty? < 1288049223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not usually, no. Maybe with modern enough cars it would. < 1288049255 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if it's listed in the owner's guide, I guess it should be okay. < 1288049299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The car I used had originally come from Germany, so all the books and such were only in German. They were a bit... undecipherable. < 1288049321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288049335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I speak the language a little (very little), but had no clue about the terminology used. < 1288049597 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Frankly, GNOME needs to improve its documentation. Just bringing forward the fact that they are volunteers, doesn’t suffice." < 1288049601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for people < 1288049863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, code docs? < 1288049865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or user docs? < 1288049875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I'm using gnome and I never looked in a manual for it < 1288049907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there is no need. it is intuitive and "user friendly", almost too much so < 1288049982 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288050028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is there a Grey Mist SLiM theme? < 1288050080 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1288050396 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah: "Seeing that rapidssl is still very much alive, I think we can safely say PR is not a valid detergend against running an uhm, less then optimally secure CA.". < 1288050428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, hm? < 1288050437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"detergend"? < 1288050485 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be "deterrent". < 1288050486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deterrent < 1288050497 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288050500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1288050520 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what that "uhm, less than optimally secure" means... < 1288050539 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most probably, something double-plus ungood... :-) < 1288050551 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288050600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, md5 < 1288050620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, they were the CA used for the (in)famous md5 "exploit" < 1288050636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, or do you mean something more recent? < 1288050649 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea... < 1288050659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapidssl are still in business after that? lol < 1288050668 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That X.509 trust stuff is a giant mess... Check the number of CAs trusted by browsers. And that's just the tip of the iceberg... < 1288050676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah https is like < 1288050677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond uselses < 1288050679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*useless < 1288050681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for authentication < 1288050685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only useful for encryption < 1288050690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the default browser setup means you can't use it for that < 1288050692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Ilari http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/rogue-ca/ < 1288050698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because OMG SELF-SIGNED CERTIFICATE FUUCK < 1288050716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed < 1288050733 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288050780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, x.509 can be useful for auth. if you only trust a single root CA. not for general use. But for something like a local root ca for x.509 certs for ipsec VPN tunnels to your company < 1288050787 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are N+1 sub-CAs. 1) Each is _omnipotent_ with regards to X.509 auth system. 2) _Nobody_ knows how much of those there are. 3) Some of known ones do not seem to be trustworthy. < 1288050791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, sure. < 1288050794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but i mean -- on the internet. < 1288050797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1288050816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what browsers *should* do is drop all certificate bullshit and just use https for encryption < 1288050821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course what they should do is get a proper auth system < 1288050824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's waay more complicated < 1288050830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it involves something more than paying to say you're someone! < 1288050844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1288050856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course browsers are stupid and insist that just relying on 458734895793485 shitty root CAs and firing HUGE RED SIRENS for any website which dares to use anything else is a great idea < 1288050867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you trust verisign? i sure as hell don't < 1288050876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would probably trust cacert more than verisign. At least cacert checks that you are able to prod the domain at will iirc < 1288050880 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is working group being formed to define how to use DNSSEC for TLS authentication. < 1288050889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: PSHT CACERT IS LIKE, COMMUNIST < 1288050891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you trust it?! < 1288050932 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verisign is far from the worst stuff in (sub-)CA pool. < 1288050937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "In light of the number of people having issues with making up a password we have the following suggestions: < 1288050937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get a password that will work, we suggest the following example: Fr3d Sm|7h < 1288050937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]" < 1288050941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that initial wording is terrible < 1288050942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, indeed < 1288050943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the cacert registration form < 1288050952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it makes me think "wait, you suggest I use that as my actual password?!" < 1288050964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and someone less sceptical than me might just...) < 1288050998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, someone that stupid shouldn't deal with x.509 < 1288051017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hell, it confused me for a minute < 1288051023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the text after doesn't clarify it < 1288051026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it the same when refreshing? < 1288051028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1288051033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in no way does the above thing say "Use this example to *make up your own password*" < 1288051037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1288051045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean obviously anyone would double-take < 1288051047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mail them and suggest a change < 1288051047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still... < 1288051059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, i will < 1288051064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right now though :P < 1288051070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka. never < 1288051075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn it I managed to run into a problem. < 1288051076 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's also no accountability. One can pretty freely do bad-CA attacks and not get caught... < 1288051084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I might be able to help. < 1288051111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fglrx-modules-dkms won't build. < 1288051123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla.org uses an invalid security certificate. < 1288051123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The certificate is only valid for *.mozilla.org < 1288051124 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1288051126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why are you building it? Isn't there a binary package? < 1288051129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Ilari ^ < 1288051131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haha < 1288051135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: doesn't happen for me; where do you get that? < 1288051144 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, https://mozilla.org < 1288051145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with firefox < 1288051150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And Chrome too. Nice. < 1288051159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes it is because the wildcard < 1288051166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then it redirects to http:// X-D < 1288051168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need a separate cert for *.foo.org and foo.org < 1288051173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh, dkms is how third-party modules work on Debian. It automatically builds the module package. < 1288051176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fuck that, also :P < 1288051180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, right, yes, that. < 1288051183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What error? < 1288051190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can flood it in /msg if you want. < 1288051193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did use to use fglrx! :P < 1288051196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/10-7/build/kcl_ioctl.c:196: error: implicit declaration of function ‘compat_alloc_user_space’