': invalid option: --sdf (OptionParser::InvalidOption) < 1287795591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit ugly... < 1287795647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Ruby odd-but-really-useful: list[n] is nil when list.length <= n < 1287795657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, i never had any bugs due to this. < 1287795678 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: feels a bit like how the default value of all keys in a Lua table is nil. < 1287795697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat.rb:7:in `read_nonblock': Resource temporarily unavailable - read would block (Errno::EAGAIN) < 1287795700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, okay... < 1287795704 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's an exception in Python took some getting used to. < 1287795720 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *that* seems like unix rather than ruby, right there < 1287795725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: well it is < 1287795728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using read_nonblock < 1287795730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here be dragons < 1287795734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: python is basically BDSM: The Language < 1287795734 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, garf < 1287795760 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can't do a nonblocking read because it would block" -- ohhh kayyyyy... < 1287795847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's... yeah, unix. < 1287795859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....? < 1287795871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, unix makes what should be a nonblocking call block? < 1287795878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: try reading < 1287795896 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1287795902 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, he'll block! < 1287795959 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok *cracks knuckles* plan for tonight: write catbus < 1287795982 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, perhaps i should be scared off by nonblocking reads < 1287796010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: not really < 1287796013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can help \o/ < 1287796014 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             | < 1287796014 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             |\ < 1287796020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: anyway i can get the frontpage from google now < 1287796031 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it be impossible to read certain resources without blocking? Unless that read_noblock doesn't use a callback... < 1287796046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no < 1287796061 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There would be no available UNIX thingy to read it without blocking? < 1287796062 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1287796146 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hint: EAGAIN is not "really" an error < 1287796161 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like Snow White is not a dwarf. < 1287796177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooooooooh < 1287796177 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not *that* much like that. < 1287796204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so what was the problem that whoever was having? < 1287796211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a failure to use the method properly < 1287796223 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, maybe < 1287796228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: spot the bug: < 1287796229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : select_on = [sock, input] < 1287796229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : until sock.closed? < 1287796229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : forward input, sock < 1287796229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : forward sock, output < 1287796229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : IO.select(select_on, select_on, select_on) < 1287796231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : end < 1287796260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoud there be a block somewhere there? < 1287796284 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, nothing jumps out at me except that I should think there is a prev call to IO.select you're not showing, or you should be using awhile loop instead < 1287796296 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, until is syntactic magic? < 1287796299 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION headaches
< 1287796306 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bring me back to Smalltalk please < 1287796310 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume until .. end is syntax < 1287796316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: er right it should be the other way around < 1287796319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no < 1287796320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just EOF handling < 1287796322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when input gets EOF < 1287796324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should keep going < 1287796326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when sock gets EOF < 1287796329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to return < 1287796331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds fugly handling-code
< 1287796340 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, broken symmetry i suppose < 1287796358 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION denies the existence of the end of any file
< 1287796359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck large syntaxes. Give me one dose of Smalltalk, please. < 1287796365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: fuck off. < 1287796375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntaxes aren't hard. < 1287796386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this idea that syntax somehow super over complexifies a language is bullshit < 1287796388 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're also not beautiful < 1287796390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk doesn't even have macros, it gains nothing! < 1287796392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they are < 1287796398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over-minimalism is not beauty < 1287796426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it is totally ugly now but i can handle that alter < 1287796427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*later < 1287796428 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1287796446 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can say is my subjective opinion: Scheme si, Smalltalk nein, Python or Lua sigh sure why not, Ruby or Perl well... urrggh ok < 1287796446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sorry, but it's really irritating seeing this all the time. < 1287796460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: YOU WILL LEARN TO LIKE RUBY MORE THAN PYTHON i swear i feel liberated < 1287796470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i can experience a whole new world of shittiness without obeying guido every other keypress < 1287796481 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell somewhere in between Python and Ruby < 1287796489 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I loved Perl once, so it is possible < 1287796494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why nein on Smalltalk? < 1287796514 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I can't say why but the method invokation thing drives me bonkers. < 1287796516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: wait actually maybe i should quit on input EOF < 1287796520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only source for this: my netcat does :P < 1287796524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait < 1287796542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost nailed it < 1287796547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : rescue EOFError < 1287796547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sock.close_write < 1287796548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : end < 1287796549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1287796555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t'works < 1287796630 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually prefer the Pascal-level of syntax complexity (C is close to that too) < 1287796650 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also < 1287796664 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i'll google < 1287796674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: no no tell < 1287796679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: also i am *so close* to making my own language aargh < 1287796692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lua, right, but with some shorter keywords, actual arrays, actual integers < 1287796695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few rubyish niceties < 1287796699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an actual stdlib < 1287796735 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ditto < 1287796761 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, taking my "going to make my own language" thing out of the last place it ended up and trying again < 1287796761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: we should totally CO LABBOR ATE < 1287796765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO LABBOR 8 < 1287796787 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we possibly totally should. < 1287796799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ok clearly it needs a name. < 1287796800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287796809 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(valley girl speak BORROWING into catseye idiolect english) < 1287796811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: continuing on with the merd theme, may i suggest "rape"? < 1287796824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What did you write your awesome new webframework in?" < 1287796825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rape!" < 1287796826 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may _suggest_ it... < 1287796834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, what's the slogan of your favourite language again?" < 1287796845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm Going To Rape You (And Your Codebase)!(TM)" < 1287796848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jesus fucking christ man." < 1287796877 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's revisit this idea later < 1287796881 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a good one! < 1287796893 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's call it "rape jokes aren't funny >:(" < 1287796941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: They're as funny as racist jokes. < 1287796945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And racist jokes (can be) hilarious. < 1287796968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also jew jokes, dead baby jokes, etc. etc. < 1287796996 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they're different < 1287797003 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people actually do get raped and it's horrible < 1287797007 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but races? < 1287797008 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1287797012 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jews? < 1287797012 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1287797015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: People died in the holocaust too. < 1287797016 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead babies? < 1287797018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people get murdered. < 1287797023 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're dead so how can they complain? < 1287797025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And awful shit happens to everyone and that has nothing to do with joking about it or not. < 1287797037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have the distinct feeling you're trolling me < 1287797046 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: holocaust jokes are also not funny when they speak of people being murdered < 1287797050 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :murder jokes: also not funny < 1287797065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://harmful.cat-v.org/pc.jpg < 1287797098 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do with anything? < 1287797103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything. < 1287797106 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying anything about being PC < 1287797111 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any of those things < 1287797128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your standards for jokes are ridiculous and I refuse to abide by them, as does every sane person. < 1287797142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to /ignore *rape|murder|hurt|pain|unhappiness|:(* < 1287797147 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is there anything in bad taste that you do find funny? fart jokes, perhaps? < 1287797155 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pain hurt and unhappiness are all HILARIOUS < 1287797168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will subject quintopia to a billion years of intense, agonising pain. < 1287797173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we can reconvene. < 1287797192 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :murder is okay SOMETIMES actually < 1287797202 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rape is really really hard to laugh at < 1287797249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps for you < 1287797268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we perhaps make a distinction between things you find easy to laugh at and things that people are bad for saying? < 1287797271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1287797349 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287797357 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely make that distinction < 1287797365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ok. it is made. < 1287797369 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but know that rape jokes are uncommonly unfunny < 1287797376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1287797377 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for many many people < 1287797378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not because they are about rape. < 1287797389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we get it! rape sucks. < 1287797398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you hate most comedians, huh. < 1287797421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok admittedly 99% of comedians suck but that's not the point < 1287797456 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that even make sense? "not because they are about rape"? you're suggesting that "maybe this class of jokes is not funny, but it's not because it is this class of jokes" < 1287797461 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic much? < 1287797469 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend's sister was murdered last year < 1287797505 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something can be both in offensively bad taste, *and* funny. the two are not the same thing. < 1287797507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you just say that to make us feel bad, or... what? < 1287797540 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: he said "but not because they are about rape" not "but not because they are in offensively bad taste" < 1287797548 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could understand the latter < 1287797562 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, presumably, they are in offensively bad taste because they are about rape < 1287797571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia sounds like a barrel of laughs. < 1287797573 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a trivial inference < 1287797580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so wait < 1287797586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead baby jokes -- ok because they're dead < 1287797589 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that even though no murdered person would find a murder joke offensive, there are people who would naturally get upset at those kinds of jokes < 1287797593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: surely murder jokes are ok because the victims are dead? < 1287797596 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it may be something about rape other than its bad taste that makes rape jokes unfunny < 1287797599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they are free not to read them. < 1287797600 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this may be true < 1287798066 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... am tempted to go into evolutionary psychology and a theory of humour, but i'm too lazy to type it all out, and besides, it's such a buzzkill. < 1287798186 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is "irb" a legit filename extension for ruby scripts? that seems weird, shouldn't it be just "rb"? < 1287798199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: yes. what file in particular? < 1287798207 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that guy with the 3 netcats < 1287798213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: he's probably a moron < 1287798215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for netcat.rb < 1287798217 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though his style was... inconsistent at best < 1287798217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best thing since sliced rape < 1287798285 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i await it with baited tsunami coastal disaster < 1287798394 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1287798417 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@wsip-70-166-115-251.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287798445 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bated, i guess, to be correct < 1287798483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally 88 lines right now but that will change < 1287798566 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-nc-guy also follows the "This is my program; here the class for my program" pattern, which is... not the hallmark of excellent engineering < 1287798580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I dunno about you, but I love dark humor. Joking about a horrible thing does not in any way suggest that it's *good*, just that it is, in fact, a part of human existence. < 1287798601 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your program designed to be extended? No? Then it is a class because... you don't know what you're doing. Alright... < 1287798614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I think... I'd feel terrible making a joke myself < 1287798614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's better than gassing three baby jews? < 1287798617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raping them once they're dead < 1287798630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there was no joke < 1287798635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm laughing < 1287798644 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he's laughing it's a joke < 1287798668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea that you can do anything "non-consensually" to a dead baby. < 1287798694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The *only* thing that, in my mind, could be considered wrong about such a joke is making it to someone who you're aware would be horribly upset by it. < 1287798700 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't feel right about laughing about raping dead baby jews, laugh about elliot laughing about it < 1287798708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This falls under the common ethical rule, "don't be a dick." < 1287798711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ELLIOTT ELLIOTT ELLIOTT < 1287798720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry, ELLIOTT ELLIOTT ELLIOTT." < 1287798724 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 'about' the right preposition though? < 1287798746 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whatever < 1287798751 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a matter of not feeling right about laughing < 1287798759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the utter lack of anything resembling humor < 1287798774 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is humor to be found in the utter lack of humor < 1287798785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling Sgeo wouldn't like Cyanide & Happiness. < 1287798787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY THIS NO THE WORKY < 1287798789 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is humor? < 1287798791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: quintopia even more < 1287798795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a dead baby comic! < 1287798796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, actually, I do sometimes < 1287798825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BUT I FEEL BAD ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS" < 1287798836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like catholics, masturbating < 1287798851 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really < 1287798852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Every sperm is sacred, after all. < 1287798854 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah! about 8h ago I had some idea about not getting drunk so that I could be productive and/or creative tomorrow (today) < 1287798869 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should go back to evo psych 101: what smiles mean to mammals, and to homo sapiens in specific < 1287798879 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you don't get it. C&H amuses me sometimes. < 1287798899 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead babies amused me when i first heard them < 1287798906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program is high-lariously broken < 1287798908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: fix my prog < 1287798909 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i have that idea sometimes. put it out of your mind immediately! < 1287798912 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, i'm still kind of fond of the "stapled to the chicken" one) < 1287798922 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: still staring uselessly at my own, thanks < 1287798933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: let us call upon matz < 1287798943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Matz, < 1287798949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is violating my Principle of Least Surprise. < 1287798949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amen. < 1287798953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In fact, the more awful something is, the more it *deserves* to be mocked — let some good come from the most horrible of things. < 1287798953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat 10 times < 1287798957 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, i would feel bad about bothering him! < 1287798959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then check for a new ruby release < 1287798971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: he lives only to be nice. < 1287798973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'd say Holocaust jokes are fundamentally necessary. < 1287798981 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada and japan are both "polite" cultures like that < 1287798986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holodeck... or holoCAUST < 1287798992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STAR TREK: HITLER < 1287799009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Quite unlike the US. It is culturally valid for me to do this: < 1287799012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because FUCK YOU. < 1287799048 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a subtle but very important difference between mock and deride, btw < 1287799057 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1287799061 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too cerebral < 1287799066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Pray tell? < 1287799071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://editgif.com/406/2 i could stare at this all day, looping < 1287799125 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I did, now I'm wasted and tomorrow will be a son-of-a-bitch < 1287799156 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: perhaps those were not the best choice of words either. i only mean that there are several functions wrapped inside "humor"... < 1287799167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Ah. < 1287799172 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe "laughing" would be a better base of BORING analysis of this < 1287799203 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to prefer surreal, absurd humour < 1287799203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best form of formal analysis. < 1287799205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Opera force me to click the flash before interacting? < 1287799213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw complex analysis, boring analysis is where it's at. < 1287799215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, come to think of it, that makes good sense for some situations < 1287799216 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the second-to-last guy at work (I was the last one) made me figure out where the rest of the people went for drinks, and we joined them, and there were pitchers of marguarita) < 1287799236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad if putting a printf-debug after an IO.select call spews out quickly, right? < 1287799237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever? < 1287799261 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, showing plugin contents without previous interaction is patented or something silly like that < 1287799276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix'd < 1287799278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1287799279 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring analysis tends to get holes in it over time < 1287799289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1287799296 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes much more sense is to have on-demand plugins that don't even get loaded from the network until you click something < 1287799351 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, FlashBlock basically < 1287799367 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Opera's getting that sort of functionality native in 11 < 1287799380 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you can probably make that as an extension in Opera 11 < 1287799387 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do it in all opera versions with userjs < 1287799433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't userjs just make it invisible? < 1287799436 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287799461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure you can remove it from the DOM. < 1287799478 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the loading order and stuff, you probably can't be sure it gets removed before loading starts < 1287799501 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removing it from the DOM != preventing whatever's in there from starting to load < 1287799560 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instant the flash plugin starts, you're doomed - address space corrupted, event loops infiltrated, the keylogger has set up the keygrab on the X server and so on < 1287799661 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sounds kind of bad but dunno < 1287799705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm used to Flash causing pain < 1287799713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: wow that netcat-in-ruby is *awfully* written < 1287799722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;s everywhere, four-space indentation, "while( ... )" instead of just "while ..." < 1287799726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... < 1287799729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible in every way < 1287799736 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with four-space indentation? < 1287799756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Ruby? < 1287799758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Just Not Done < 1287799761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like two-space indentation in Python < 1287799780 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how many spaces usually, in ruby? < 1287799781 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ever indent with *4* of anything? indent 0 or 1 < 1287799790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: 2 < 1287799802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i sympathise absolutely, i really do < 1287799808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: my platonic perfect language will use tabs. < 1287799809 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use 4-space almost universally in Python and C (now), 2-space in Perl < 1287799810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear. < 1287799811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1287799813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't use ascii at all < 1287799814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1287799814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know. < 1287799822 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much of my older C is BSD style though (tabs! gadzooks!) < 1287799827 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it should use abstract units of indentation < 1287799835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO INDENT CODE < 1287799837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREE YOURSELF < 1287799838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FROM STRUCTURE < 1287799848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever see forth guys arguing about indentation? :) < 1287799863 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever see forth guys? < 1287799877 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer to olsner! < 1287799884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1287799986 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think indentation is nice because it is a visual representation of the tree structure most programs make < 1287800020 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linked basic blocks in an arbitrary graph is closer to the truth though (... in *imperative* programs, I guess) < 1287800047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "I guess you could do A and then B... if you're the kind of person who writes *imperative* programs... heh." < 1287800082 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess elliott could do A and then B regardless of what kind of person he is < 1287800098 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because that's the kind of person he is? < 1287800120 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's A and B again? < 1287800123 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need grasp < 1287800238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we... what? < 1287800259 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: grasp! do you have it? < 1287800259 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the completely graph oriented language... < 1287800389 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION builds a graph and orients a language along it
< 1287800415 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going downhill olsner < 1287800438 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ever see forth guys?" will forever be known as your pinnacle unless you pull it together < 1287801010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Editors should simply present visual representations of the tree structure of the program. < 1287801054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Rather than simply rendering the text that happens to be in the language syntax. < 1287801077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, it *should* be perfectly feasible to display sexp Lisp using mexps. < 1287801087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a strong feeling that others have had that idea before, and it never turned out well
< 1287801093 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mexp? < 1287801109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntactic sugar for sexps. < 1287801138 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need syntactic sugar for sexps? < 1287801140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was *intended* that sexps were just the behind-the-scenes representation of things. Didn't take off because the first Lisp interpreter didn't bother to handle them. < 1287801152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... So that 2+2 is a meaningful expression? < 1287801173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1287801191 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds awesome < 1287801199 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what about, say, (+ 2 2 2) < 1287801204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does mexps do there? < 1287801205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1287801233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mexp for (+ 2 2 2) is +[2;2;2] < 1287801234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2+2 or +[2; 2; 2], I'm pretty sure. < 1287801297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/86/212588975_5fa840ddd2.jpg the original self-evaluator, in s-expressions < 1287801309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.arcfn.com/2008/07/maxwells-equations-of-software-examined.html more written-outly < 1287801326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite love how the first Lisp interpreter was made. < 1287801352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a paren mismatch :D < 1287801363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.instprog.com/blogposts/McCarthys-eval/memo.png < 1287801365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore hideous border < 1287801367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also unreadability < 1287801367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1287801369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kazimirmajorinc.blogspot.com/2010/05/interesting-case-of-mismatched.html < 1287801372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy shitty blog post to see it < 1287801543 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< pikhq> olsner: Editors should simply present visual representations of the tree structure of the program. < 1287801567 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a paper once about an IDE that did exactly this, and *omitted names*, replacing them with arcs between nodes. < 1287801574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1287801577 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was highly vitriolic on the evils of names. < 1287801583 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost comically so. < 1287801593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's somewhat comical, indeed. < 1287801629 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287801864 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287803822 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1287803850 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287803851 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1287805226 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1287805231 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1287805231 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287805231 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt JOIN :#esoteric < 1287806155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: cloak fail < 1287806444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Napoleon < 1287806448 0 :Napoleon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Registered < 1287806450 0 :Napoleon!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1287806523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Snowball :Nickname is already in use. < 1287810220 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287810871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why am I sleepy *early*? < 1287810878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does this make any sense? < 1287810939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: about as much sense as me and catseye trying to produce something of actual value... < 1287810993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, -¢. < 1287811079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yet both are happening! although the latter in a very confused state < 1287811155 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebSplat now has goombalike enemies. < 1287811162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: favicon yes? < 1287811175 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I couldn't figure out howTF to get the favicon from within JS X_X < 1287811186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh, just try /favicon.ico. < 1287811190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing that, look at page headers. < 1287811194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what browsers do. < 1287811197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page headers = < 1287811199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meta < 1287811205 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, I could certainly do that >_> < 1287811207 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda yukk <_< < 1287811215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes, well, favicons are yuck < 1287811216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal with it :P < 1287811225 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point :P < 1287811240 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, no, for the moment I'm using yet another quintopia drawing :P < 1287811249 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, TimeCube has now become CRAZY-HARD. < 1287811275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DYING TOO EASY < 1287811275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember: quintopia's ideas get precedence for the simple reason that he's actually providing data :P < 1287811301 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have on paper I invented a 32-bit CPU architecture. It has byte 32-bits long. Incrementing immediates is impossible. An instruction code has 4-bits condition, 5-bits command, 5-bits operand mode, 1-bit push old value, 1-bit affect flags, 8-bits destination parameter, 8-bits source parameter. < 1287811320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I need a way to jump even when there's stuff above me. < 1287811325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's simply impossible as is. < 1287811327 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Crouch-jump. < 1287811337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: worst controls ever < 1287811356 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Crouch-jump isn't a special jump, it's ducking through elements then air-jumping :P < 1287811360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but < 1287811360 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has eight rings, each with its own registers. There is 128 registers and the other 128 registers are just the memory indexed by the actual 128 registers. Sixty-four registers are special use. < 1287811362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the control sucks < 1287811388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DYING TOO EASY < 1287811392 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Rather than be helpful I like to complain about things. < 1287811397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yse < 1287811398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i do < 1287811463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: gahaha < 1287811465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jump < 1287811466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then jump again < 1287811468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without moving left or right < 1287811470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silliest visual ever < 1287811496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no wait while holding right < 1287811497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoooooom < 1287811506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: die while jumping; die in mid-air. < 1287811524 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, right now you stop suffering from gravity when you die :P < 1287811533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"suffering" < 1287811540 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1287811567 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it matter gravity if you are dead? Unless the game can do useful things while dead? < 1287811577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: now give it ragdoll physics < 1287811609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's just an excuse for elliott to complain. < 1287811614 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not that he needs 'em. < 1287811638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i died on theonion.com because i looked away < 1287811638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it < 1287811643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm just providing data. < 1287812010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so how did you achieve this? < 1287812019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: anyway havenworks < 1287812067 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I achieve what? < 1287812086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goomba collision < 1287812086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1287812087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :havenworks < 1287812095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your high ascore < 1287812096 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have another idea, which is to design a microprocessor that you can dynamically modify microcodes to be optimal for the program you are writing < 1287812097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*score < 1287812120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's detected like any other collision... < 1287812155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...right < 1287812157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 5:35am < 1287812162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*5:35 am < 1287812228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: horizontal scrolling please < 1287812230 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you ctrl+- enough on HavenWorks before playing, you can get full width :P < 1287812239 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've tried multiple times and it's been horribly broken each time >_> < 1287812252 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's stupidly difficult to determine if the page horizontally scrolls <_< < 1287812292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Basically, every time I've ended up with something that scrolls properly on pages that have horizontal scrolling, but thinks that e.g. Wikipedia's front page is suddenly 3 screens wide for no obvious reason. < 1287812309 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Images collected: 42 < 1287812312 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Images remaining: 1712 < 1287812318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: gimme hp dammit :P < 1287812319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1287812320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :192 < 1287812321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1287812622 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a game with the periodic table of elements < 1287812645 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proceeds to google for a page with the periodic table of the elements, play websplat on it, and declare success.
< 1287812688 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That doesn't count. < 1287812695 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287812702 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a game with cards with the periodic table of elements. < 1287812765 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a game that you will win a big spider three times as big as you. < 1287812775 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a game that you have to prevent all of the magnets from touching each other. < 1287812803 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a game involving infinite dimensional space. < 1287812810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 209, still alive < 1287812821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i died < 1287812830 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, todo: < 1287812831 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* HP < 1287812833 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Mushrooms < 1287812851 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Hallucination mushrooms < 1287812855 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Poison mushrooms < 1287812879 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Safe mushroooms < 1287812879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Cocaine < 1287813098 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287813108 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* PH < 1287813168 0 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-118-125.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287813199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.theonion.com/articles/bored-entertainment-media-decides-to-go-after-ray,18295/?utm_source=recentnews unplayable < 1287813205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :images at bottom seem to extend rightwards beyond playfield < 1287813293 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, yeah. < 1287813294 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. < 1287813304 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it so difficult to determine if something is actually visible X_X < 1287813472 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a real reason? < 1287813504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two obvious ways to make an element invisible, and infinity nonobvious ways. < 1287813533 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, the image is invisible because one of its parent elements is overflow:clip, and the image's location is outside the clipping area. < 1287813601 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287813657 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287815190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight; bye. < 1287815193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1287815845 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1287816441 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< zzo38> Does it matter gravity if you are dead? Unless the game can do useful things while dead? < 1287816444 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumpman < 1287816462 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could collect the bombs as you fell after you died < 1287816494 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in theory pass the level before the death was 'final' if you got the last bomb, i guess < 1287816503 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember if i ever accomplished this < 1287816525 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how that game work? < 1287816541 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do suppose that is one possibility. < 1287816726 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember that you could collect bombs, as you fell, after you died (and you would get points and the playfield would change accordingly.) But unless you got all the bombs, you would continue to fall, and lose a life once you hit the bottom. < 1287816756 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No periodic table of elements, I'm afraid. < 1287816789 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Could you have a strategy having to do with the time limit, that is required in order to collect the bombs in this way? < 1287816812 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. I don't remember a time limit, though... < 1287816822 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1287816837 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I do remember the washroom of a library that no longer exists (they demolished it to build a new, better library.) < 1287816847 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Why* I remember this, now, I cannot say. < 1287816882 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You got /that number/ off the bathroom wall. < 1287816939 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh THAT number. < 1287816942 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah totally. < 1287816989 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Avogadro was going in that washroom, I will never know. < 1287816995 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doing < 1287817238 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good save :P < 1287817417 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can i re-use your code here with some modifications? I dont see a GPL, but I dont want to steal." < 1287817422 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the two options, you see < 1287817436 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright with no license thus assumed yours and you'll sue me < 1287817438 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or GPL < 1287817463 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What code do you mean? < 1287817480 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://4thmouse.com/index.php/2008/02/20/netcat-clone-in-three-languages-part-i-ruby/ < 1287817483 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw < 1287817547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: There are no other licenses. < 1287817563 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: If anyone has told you otherwise, they're liars trying to hinder your Freedom. < 1287817574 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* pH < 1287817577 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Freedom < 1287817616 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there are other licenses. But some of them might not be any good. < 1287817652 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287817953 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea that "a GPL" refers to any open-source license, kind of like how "a coke" refers to any soda, in certain parts of the US. < 1287817990 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey slap a BSD GPL on that thing and we're good to go" < 1287818108 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it is about just as bad in both ways. But at least if you write "a coke" without capitalized or if it is "a Coke" capitalized, you might know the difference by context. < 1287818168 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure it's a written thing so much as a spoken thing. If you're curious: http://popvssoda.com:2998/ < 1287818240 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You are right; when speaking you can often use informal phrases that you just make up, since it is not written down and don't need to be recorded by writing down. < 1287818268 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they do, seriously, say things like "What kind of coke do you want?" "Orange coke." < 1287818291 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always called them "soft drinks"... < 1287818320 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is what you can use, in different localities they have their own words < 1287818328 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that might be a Canadian thing, although, if so, it's not represented on that map. < 1287818397 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the area where I live in Canada, they do often (not always) call it "soft drinks". < 1287819554 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i live in such a place < 1287819560 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Coca-Cola city < 1287819569 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, no one says orange coke < 1287819572 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's silly < 1287819610 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact "soft drink" is slowly taking over < 1287819627 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that asking for a coke here in the city gets you a Coke and not a "what kind?" < 1287819720 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sugar Coke or HFCS Coke? :-) < 1287819857 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HFCS < 1287819867 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's too bad < 1287819870 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to go to a supermercado for sugar coke < 1287820052 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if HFCS Coke is actually worse for you than Sugar Coke (it at least isn't better for you), but sugar Coke is already terrible for health. < 1287820136 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun term for margarine: "lubricant". < 1287820258 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "pass the lubricant". < 1287820799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1287820800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1287820848 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287820962 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287821651 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :late < 1287821677 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ruby code... not working so much < 1287821764 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bed < 1287821776 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: sugar coke tastes so much better tho < 1287821778 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you, completely undocumented IO.select < 1287822164 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have heard (never tasted HFCS Coke, only Light Coke and the regular one). < 1287822196 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Light versions tastes like crap (like "light" products usually do). < 1287822403 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three good reasons not to use "light" products: a) They taste like crap, b) They replace healthy stuff with questionable-at-best or downright known to be terrible for you stuff, c) They don't work for weight loss (the intended purpose) anyway. < 1287822997 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tested heating "light" "cheeses" in microwave... Instead melting like cheese does, that product IIRC "disintegrated". < 1287824018 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it isn't proper cheese, probably. Maybe they mixed with something else, or else did it entirely differently. Do they have warning labels on them indicating not to heat in microwave? (Better, just don't buy it at all) < 1287824140 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is an example of how you can write a code in Enhanced CWEB to allow the strings in your program to be internationalized by external files: http://sprunge.us/LgHF < 1287824159 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287824179 0 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-118-125.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287824424 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a kind of report, I have a question: What literate programming systems have you used? < 1287824523 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-240.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287824891 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as any literate programming systems, also any code documentation tools and code generation tools, and things similar to literate programming tools, too. < 1287824966 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287826077 0 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287826207 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1287826262 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1287826344 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1287827099 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea: Make a sixteen-dimensional chess game. < 1287827224 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-180-20.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1287827552 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay! No cheating! < 1287828485 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1287830561 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287830684 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee < 1287830686 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new blog theme < 1287830687 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1287831275 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287831789 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1287832358 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url? < 1287832373 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ;-))))) < 1287832406 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the photo on that page: http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/index.htm < 1287832507 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1287832740 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: wellnowwhat.net/blog < 1287833240 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-63-93-15.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287833486 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287833551 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: l@@king < 1287834865 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha... "ROFLMAO... Yeah, and if Ostriches had 15 times the wing surface area they could probably fly." (on one mailinglist) < 1287837686 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-200.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287841965 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: very nice < 1287845247 0 :tombom_!tombom@86.24.29.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287845247 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287845247 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1287845373 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1287846779 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287847203 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1287847489 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1287847803 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287847914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:47:32 Dunno if HFCS Coke is actually worse for you than Sugar Coke (it at least isn't better for you), but sugar Coke is already terrible for health. < 1287847919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIQUID HFCS WOOOOOOOOOO < 1287847922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:48:56 Fun term for margarine: "lubricant". < 1287847922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:50:58 As in "pass the lubricant". < 1287847928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ... may be ... misinterpreted ... slightly ... < 1287847956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:22:44 So I have heard (never tasted HFCS Coke, only Light Coke and the regular one). < 1287847965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right, I guess HFCS coke may not be the only kind of coke in other countries < 1287847973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: is "Coca-Cola" over there sugar, not HFCS? < 1287847989 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is. < 1287847993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1287847999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am actually not sure what it is over here. < 1287848018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, on one hand, I can totally see us buying into the HFCS crap; on the other hand, the US is uniquely privileged in its insanity. < 1287848028 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think that the only country where HFCS Coke is even available is the US. < 1287848085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, makes sense. < 1287848108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which just makes me think: if US people think that sugar Coke tastes better than HFCS Coke (which they usually do if they have an opinion at all), < 1287848115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck does HFCS Coke taste like if not liquid sugar? < 1287848170 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the equivalent to HFCS is making a beachhead as "Glucose-Fructose Syrup". < 1287848196 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beachhead here < 1287848207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How *lucky* you are! < 1287848213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Effect of Coke on Sperm Motility" I, uh < 1287848218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Effect of Coke on Sperm Motility" ... < 1287848220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1287848226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The spermicidal potency of Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola." < 1287848226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287848234 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't drink that stuff anyway. < 1287848251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who decided to test whether Coke was an effective contraceptive or not. < 1287848379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Coca-Cola_Morocco.jpg YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE ADS, EVEN IN THE MOUNTAINS OF MOROCCO < 1287848492 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of research sounds like what's in Annals of Improbable Research. < 1287848528 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1287848534 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1287848594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:27:54 --- join: Punk (Punk@c-76-104-158-217.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #esoteric < 1287848595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:28:10 anyone alive in here? < 1287848595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:28:39 do you know anything about the 'order of the ookpik'? it's a secret society one of my family members was in and i can't find any information about it ANYWHERE < 1287848597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA < 1287848608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: they won Ig Nobel prizes for it, apparently < 1287848620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: one to the people who discovered that it is effective, one to the people who discovered it's not :) < 1287848705 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder about quality of those studies... < 1287849428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I've lost the link now but you can search /Ig Nobel/ on Wikipedia's [[Coca-Cola]]. < 1287849594 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha... "A minute later, all sperm were dead in the Diet Coke, but 41% were still swimming in the just-introduced New Coke."... Wonder what the heck is in diet coke... < 1287849655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:35:29 i do a google search for "order of the ookpik" and there is ONE result. one guy in a forum referencing th eorder i talk of < 1287849655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the *other* result: http://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/12540100 < 1287849661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me suspect slightly that it may be 4chan silliness < 1287849664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, not sure < 1287849698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, all the fun people are offline! :P < 1287849721 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For other odd IRC encounters, search for "The legend of potatopatrick". < 1287849794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1287850090 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that some study doesn't have serious subject doesn't mean it can't be well done. And serious studies can be very badly done (if not with outright maliscously). < 1287850100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1287850112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Well both got published for better or worse... < 1287850152 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of studies published that wouldn't pass as undergrad science report. < 1287850225 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's opinion on matter: 5% of what is published should actually have been published, and about 2% is actually signaficant. < 1287850252 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that varies a bit by field. < 1287850294 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or by subfield. E.g. compare IPCC WG1 and IPCC WG3. < 1287850400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I'm not familiar with those, which one is "worst"? < 1287850493 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287850496 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPCC WG1 > IPCC WG2 > IPCC WG3 (in terms of science quality). < 1287850501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287850598 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPCC WG1 about what global warming (climate change) actually is. IIRC, WG2 is adaptation to climate change and WG3 is mitigation of climate change. < 1287850621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so the last one is about how to stop it? < 1287850632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not I guess < 1287850637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to reduce it < 1287850648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sound futile < 1287850656 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, stopping/reducing it... Which I don't think is gracefully possible. < 1287850668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, it is what needs to be done however < 1287850704 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Key word there is "gracefully"... Remebmer the chinese curse "May you live in interesting times"? < 1287850734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, is it actually Chinese in origins? < 1287850745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I thought it was something Pratchett made up XD < 1287850759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the current rate it won't take many centuries until we have Venus II really... < 1287850771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: bioengineering seems promising. < 1287850780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course nobody wants to fund it and we get ~green~ instead. < 1287850819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if humans lived much longer they would probably be more responsible < 1287850840 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are good reassons to doubt validity of simulations (even if the models are good, the input data is suspect) giving likes of +5C or +6C warming by 2100... < 1287850849 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287850888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1287850906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My previous computer-instruction-set esolang was called Yael. Maybe this one should be called Havrard :) < 1287850910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hravard < 1287850915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haravrd < 1287850925 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think real runaway climate change is possible. All carbon available would trigger Hell on Earth situation, but no real runaway climate change. < 1287850927 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-92-191-121.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287850939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye! Hello! < 1287850995 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there will be real runaway climate change, but that's at least hundreds of millions of years out... < 1287851020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about ITM or TIM? < 1287851378 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287851539 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287851549 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have homework to do. I shouldn't have opened XChat. Bye. < 1287851560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wait < 1287851560 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1287851561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this is important < 1287851677 0 :Sgeo|web!18bf618a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.191.97.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287851692 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you're just pulling my leg, but in case you're not, I can read logs < 1287851720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I'm not < 1287851722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: please < 1287851726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen < 1287851735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Jarhfoissoi fioehrhf uiehsoejfo sonertoihgusr msertoigjh sueroghuhs < 1287851737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this mean < 1287851739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you know < 1287851740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELL ME < 1287851760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: TELL ME < 1287851781 0 :Sgeo|web2!18bf618a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.191.97.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287851802 0 :Sgeo|web2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closing out of the tab does not cause the webchat thing to disconnect properly < 1287851925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: TELL ME < 1287851961 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287852135 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1287852161 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1287852263 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-97-111-125.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287852269 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? hello? < 1287852350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yellow. < 1287852432 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, I think that the only country where HFCS Coke is even available is the US. < 1287852435 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada < 1287852456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: No, you guys *should* have sugared Coke. < 1287852476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: HFCS Coke only makes sense in the US because we subsidise corn and tarrif sugar. < 1287852507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye HELLO < 1287852512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: should, yes... < 1287852620 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's a "may contain" thing (it's called "glucose-fructose" on the label, which lets it be any kind of invert sugar, including HFCS.) Granted, in most places in Canada, it's not HFCS. But anywhere it would make sensse economically for it to be, it would be. < 1287852638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: That should be "absolutely nowhere". < 1287852655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: HFCS is significantly more expensive than sucrose. < 1287852656 0 :Sgeo|web2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287852682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US government has to shovel money at people so that we don't use that evil, nasty, foreign sugar. < 1287852793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wow*. Vint Cerf is responsible for IPv4 only having 32 bit addresses. < 1287852813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because surely 4.3 billion addresses would be enough for the internetworking experiment! < 1287853288 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am out of date, but a brief search reveals either crazy people, or it's gotten worse: "I lived in Ottawa, Ontario for nine years. The Coca-Cola bottle labels from the Ottawa Coca-Cola bottler indicated "High Fructose Corn Syrup" long BEFORE the bottler in New York (where my other residence was.)" < 1287853325 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 2006 comment on a blog < 1287853427 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287854169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it could make sense if it was shorter to transport from US to Canada, near the border that is < 1287854213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ah, true. < 1287854489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, isn't south US hot enough to grow cane sugar? < 1287854591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but nowhere near as much as we grow corn. < 1287854731 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287854890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about beets then? < 1287854913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you realise how much land we throw at corn. < 1287854954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but you can even grow sugar beets in south Sweden! < 1287854962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you could in all but Alaska < 1287854964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd estimate about a third of the land of the US is growing corn. < 1287854979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, they could easily switch < 1287854985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that corn is subsidised by the government. < 1287854993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird < 1287855000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And any threat to that subsidy would be knocked down by the corn lobbies. THEY HAVE FUCKING LOBBIES. < 1287855013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, shouldn't the republicans want to remove it < 1287855021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, they fellate them. < 1287855039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287855063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing they love more than shouting "small government" while not following through is claiming to be in favor of the "rural farmer" while giving kickbacks to gigantic corporations! < 1287855115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the small farm is essentially a myth in the US. One that the Republican party uses to great effect. < 1287855122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so paradoxical < 1287855137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1287855346 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most "food" in the US is actually corn. < 1287855346 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the co-value on food is an involute, i would call you call co-co-nuts. < 1287855352 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for Vorpal. < 1287855363 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meat, for example. that animal was fed... corn < 1287855367 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most corn in switzerland is actually hashish < 1287855415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, it was almost certainly fed corn. < 1287855570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1287855643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ On September 14, 2010, The Corn Refiners Association applied for permission to use the name "corn sugar" in place of high fructose corn syrup on food labels for products sold in the United States. According to a press release, "Consumers need to know what is in their foods and where their foods come from and we want to be clear with them," said CRA president Audrae Erickson. "The term 'corn sugar' su < 1287855643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccinctly and accurately describes what this natural ingredient is and where it comes from – corn." ]] < 1287855648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that bullshit < 1287855704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, yes it is. < 1287855723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm? < 1287855733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ The association however did not provide clarification as to a change in what the FDA already considers corn sugar, i.e., dextrose[75] or any of the other corn-derived sugars such as corn syrup and maltodextrin. ]] < 1287855735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1287855891 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, good ol' fashion corn sugar! < 1287855923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, Imma shut down my system and do some stuff with it. < 1287855928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ĝis! < 1287855937 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ewwww < 1287855962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, was that in response to pikhq's comment or in to what I quoted? < 1287856021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq's comment :P < 1287856026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1287856029 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your quote is a lot less offensive than you make it out to be. < 1287856044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, one can never be sure with you < 1287856106 0 :nooga!~nooga@afrm52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1287856400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wait, which comment of pikhq? < 1287856563 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 00:28:39 do you know anything about the 'order of the ookpik'? it's a secret society one of my family members was in and i can't find any information about it ANYWHERE < 1287856564 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287856565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL MADE OF FAIL. < 1287856585 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1287856616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why < 1287856639 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287856697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it sounds like a damn good secret society. < 1287856703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you can't find any info on it < 1287856709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is obviously quite secret < 1287856726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that it's restricted to one person :P < 1287856736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh really? < 1287856750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, who knows < 1287856768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.allegro.cc/; can't jump on main area of "Main" heading < 1287856871 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can ... < 1287856876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can. < 1287856878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now try walking right. < 1287856880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now try jumping up. < 1287856882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The area is limited. < 1287856929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused, I seem to have full range of motion while standing on the word "Main" < 1287856982 0 :P3R3T0n3!~P3R3T0n3@95.239.111.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287857031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeees < 1287857035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rest of the green heading < 1287857037 0 :P3R3T0n3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1287857037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't jump on < 1287857093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't stand on the rest of the green heading at all < 1287857097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least not in firefox < 1287857182 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ohhhh < 1287857190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Pages on http://wwwwwwwww.jodi.org/ would be awesome but they have few images :( < 1287857192 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's true, but by design :P < 1287857199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that design :P < 1287857204 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not by design per se ... < 1287857210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it blinks? < 1287857218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More to the point, I can't determine the difference between a "green" heading and any other heading. < 1287857239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, you shouldn't recommend Google. < 1287857241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You win instantly :P < 1287857248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, I just meant... it's a block element. < 1287857249 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good old trying to dump a tarnished name... < 1287857252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has children and shit. < 1287857254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1287857256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: ? < 1287857265 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Blackwater -> Xe services. < 1287857280 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Lots and LOTS of things are block elements. < 1287857284 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking about that HFCS -> Corn Sugar. < 1287857290 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If every block element was a platform, the game would suck horribly. < 1287857294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom is a block element. < 1287857295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Ah. < 1287857306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sorry. < 1287857308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your mom sucks horribly. < 1287857370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, css needs a new attribute: jumpable < 1287857379 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1287857380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solid < 1287857381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287857384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be better < 1287857388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that website designers are mandated to use properly < 1287857402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, you know the yellow border around images? < 1287857403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it !important. < 1287857438 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what that means ...
< 1287857473 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGYESSSSS < 1287857475 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need that so much X-D < 1287857483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes < 1287857484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you do < 1287857499 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, they could just override it with their own !important, presumably :P < 1287857536 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that wwwwwwwww.jodi.org is highly confusing < 1287857558 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "!important" is a terrible name for something that makes a style IMPORTANT. < 1287857648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes indeed it should mandate upper case and at least 12 exclamation marks! < 1287857649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I will now attempt to play http://www.reddit.com/r/hurts_my_eyes/. < 1287857654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think they might need !important !important. < 1287857656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. maybe. < 1287857659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You loaded it second. < 1287857660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll win. < 1287857706 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, that seems to have broken everything ... < 1287857710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sweet, it makes the game selection crazy < 1287857713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1287857714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guy has a background < 1287857716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Howso? < 1287857726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow this is amazing < 1287857735 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The borders went away entirely. < 1287857756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: show css plz < 1287857763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :img { border: poop !important; } < 1287857765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the syntacititititi < 1287857768 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.style.border = "2px solid gold !important"; < 1287857778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah it's more like < 1287857788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.style = c.style + "border: 2px solid gold !important"; < 1287857789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1287857828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: jQuery < 1287857831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a thing to add styles, it seems < 1287857841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, maybe not < 1287857858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway wouldn't it be easier to add a global stylesheet? < 1287857869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just insert a < 1287857870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the header < 1287857873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end < 1287857883 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) That is not how el.style works. < 1287857888 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) No, that would be much, much harder. < 1287857900 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i can use IO.popen in Ruby yay < 1287857950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do you HONESTLY think I did all of this without knowing HOW TO ADD CSS STYLES TO ELEMENTS FROM JAVASCRIPT? < 1287857953 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks elliott upside the head.
< 1287858052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know that you can do that ... < 1287858056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you evidently < 1287858058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't add !important that way. < 1287858072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.style = c.style + "border: 2px solid gold !important"; <-- you can't do this < 1287858075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. < 1287858083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainlag, kay? < 1287858096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://rule52.com/2008/06/css-rule-page-load/ was what lead me to have the impression that jQuery had something to add styles with !important. Instead it just implements it itself. < 1287858101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, no, inserting a style element is ... trivial? < 1287858112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol < 1287858114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually prototype < 1287858116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1287858145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But anyway, I don't see the difficutly at all. < 1287858159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, give those dogs a border, they look strange on white backgrounds < 1287858161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, complain < 1287858201 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: But anyway, I don't see the difficutly at all. <-- this is because you have no idea what the system is doing here :P < 1287858210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably something stupid. < 1287858223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, I could probably apply the right /class/ to the elements, and have a style based on that class ... < 1287858247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fuck you. < 1287858266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fuck you too :P < 1287858277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll just not report bugs yay < 1287858330 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: But anyway, I don't see the difficutly at all. <-- this is because you have no idea what the system is doing here :P Probably something stupid. <-- this is not reporting a bug. < 1287858337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is being a douchebag for the sake of being a douchebag. < 1287858344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I...was...joking... < 1287858353 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed, elliott loves that < 1287858366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Remind me to collapse in a pool of offence the next time you say "your face" < 1287858418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you remind your FACE to collapse in a pool of offense the next time I use an American spelling! < 1287858468 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-238-244.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287858506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay, done getting rid of the rat's nest. < 1287858514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I... was that literal? < 1287858525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are dogs which just wiggle on the spot evilly and spell instant deatha bug or not? < 1287858529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*death a bug < 1287858531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not literal. < 1287858537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hooray :P < 1287858556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To the former, that's not a bug, they're just on a very small platform. < 1287858564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but they also cause issues. < 1287858565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the latter: Well, it should be POSSIBLE to kill them, if not easy. < 1287858611 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1287858621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, it's a pain :P < 1287858624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their platform AI could be far smarter than it is :P < 1287858629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, which former and latter??? < 1287858671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wiggle on the spot evilly" and "spell instant death" < 1287858729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1287858743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh, I just died by going to the bottom of a page and pressing down. < 1287858747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fell further and... just... died. < 1287858754 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1287858758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1287858768 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287858785 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not by design /per se/, but it's how it ended up resolving for the moment :P < 1287858804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it was easier to make it so you don't die at the bottom by just putting a platform at the bottom. < 1287858811 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is a normal platform, so you can still fall through it and die :P < 1287858823 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could actually fix that easily now, but I like that you can suicide if you want :P < 1287858851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287858880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you can't win as such can you? No "you won" screen < 1287858898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope :P < 1287858935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. New kernel, somewhat tidy cabling, and now to decompress this monster so I can encode it. < 1287858977 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGYESSSSS < 1287858981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You mean < 1287858982 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds the "YOU ARE WINNER" trophy.
< 1287858984 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, for what? < 1287858989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sita Sings the 1080p / 5.1 FLAC Blues? < 1287858993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yup. < 1287858996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But dude < 1287858999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: She released the FLAC filse < 1287858999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, it's "YOU'RE WINNER" < 1287859001 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Rigs? < 1287859001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*files < 1287859007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You could do seventy trillion pixels squared. < 1287859008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm decompressing the y4m.xz file. < 1287859013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1287859015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: She released the Flash files < 1287859021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is there any... vector video format? < 1287859025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from .swf :P < 1287859029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Aside from .swf, not really. < 1287859035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because... that would be amazing. < 1287859047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and SVG. < 1287859058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can use Javascript in SVG.) < 1287859088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can you put SVG in MKV? :P < 1287859114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but nothing and I mean nothing will handle it. < 1287859121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can literally put *anything* in MKV. < 1287859121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pikhqplayer < 1287859186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, for what? <-- I won't answer, read scrollback < 1287859211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or logs in your case < 1287859213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, dear god, that is the most obnoxiously stupid thing I've heard you say. < 1287859214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, NASA has started planning... For an interstellar space ship. < 1287859215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1287859228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, " Phantom_Hoover, or logs in your case" < 1287859242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, just obnoxious, then. < 1287859243 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i suppose it was inevitable < 1287859255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm fine with that < 1287859288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, elliott does it all the time however < 1287859316 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps elliott should not be the gold standard for decorum on #esoteric < 1287859321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, what, saying "NO I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT I'M GOING ON ABOUT BECAUSE MY TIME IS SO PRECIOUS" < 1287859405 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, elliott: OK THERE'S A WIN SCREEN NOW! < 1287859510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wow < 1287859521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I did not say that < 1287859537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but yes < 1287859540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, agreed! < 1287859592 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you do realize that means that "elliott does it all the time however" is not a justification for your behavior, then? < 1287859609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I do all the time? < 1287859613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothetically < 1287859617 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, see my previous post. < 1287859621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1287859622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*message < 1287859645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 more hours of decompressing this... < 1287859645 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*last thing I said (which there should be a word for) < 1287859652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Gold Team and the Silver Team stay here; the Brown Team goes to the special classroom in the basement." < 1287859672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, I tried using a FIFO to just shove the output to mencoder. Didn't work.) < 1287859680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I've worked out why Freespace was being weird, if I can get md5 sums competently. < 1287859684 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a big "if". < 1287859725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no? < 1287859731 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, just tried on w3.org < 1287859734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such screen < 1287859740 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need to clear cache or something? < 1287859766 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, I've found that problematic occasionally ... < 1287859777 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1287859784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yeah worked on google < 1287859788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks strange < 1287859791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on google < 1287859799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it look like 10 overlaid copied? < 1287859802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copies* < 1287859839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, w3.org has 23 images, more than most. Fun to play at < 1287859846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard but not impossible < 1287859870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you might want to add it as a recommendation < 1287859915 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should look like a total mess. < 1287859983 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, w3 is nice ... < 1287860309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, aww, why does resizing the browser window result in dying? < 1287860338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because it can't detect when elements move. < 1287860348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh? < 1287860453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know how to respond to that "oh?" :P < 1287860455 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, coin borders are now actually "!important". I wish that would work from JS X_X < 1287860518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (Thanks for the tip on that) < 1287860846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, "coin"? < 1287860858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/coin/image/ >_> < 1287860863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're called coins internally :P < 1287860908 0 :MYCROFTIV!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mycroftiv < 1287860953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Coin? < 1287860955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whut < 1287860955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1287860956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Images < 1287860974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're welcome for the bug report, goat-fucker! < 1287860998 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now! ... I would make some goat-sexing joke here but I can't think of what name a person would call a goat. < 1287861018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something along the lines of "Hey now! and I are in LOVE!" < 1287861037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Neigh, I believe that goats have not got names. < 1287861063 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's hard to argue that you're in love with Goat #3A < 1287861064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287861081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I call her Threeigh." < 1287861091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please tell me you spotted the horse pun. < 1287861096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting hoarse just telling it. < 1287861102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1287861109 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was not worth commenting on X-P < 1287861128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's the most common problem experienced among practitioners of equine fellatio?" "Their voice goes hoarse." < 1287861134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^^^^^^^ < 1287861145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLOLOLOLOLL < 1287861169 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... X-D < 1287861308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst joke ever < 1287861343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What do we want? favicon goombas! < 1287861349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do we want them? Sometime reasonably soon! < 1287861382 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to get the favicoooooooooooon D-8 < 1287861395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: codu.org php file that takes a domain and tries /favicon.ico; it either returns the data or gives a 404 response. < 1287861409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the JS receives a 404 response, it looks for a tag with... icon or whatever it was in the type. < 1287861411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's the URL. < 1287861420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And *yes* that is the *official* way to do it. < 1287861429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need the codu proxy so you can tell whether /favicon.ico exists or not. < 1287861450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And, yes, this violates the design goal of not reserving any paths in the namespace. Turns out nobody gives a shit. < 1287861528 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wtf, it tries /favicon.ico BEFORE looking for a meta tag? < 1287861570 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's no need for the proxy, my JS code is loaded into the host page, I can XHR it :) < 1287861609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if that wasn't the case, I could just make a new Image() and detect whether it loads properly or not, regardless of host. < 1287861617 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurr... This IPv4 depletion estimate has IANA depletion in early April next year. But set it to use 2 years of historical data and it gives estimate in early March next year.... < 1287861617 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which is what I should do anyway. < 1287861732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: And, yes, this violates the design goal of not reserving any paths in the namespace. Turns out nobody gives a shit. <-- so... what about robots.txt < 1287861838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, link? < 1287861876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Oh? < 1287861879 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.ipv4depletion.com/?page_id=77 < 1287861899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, that should be .net, no? < 1287861911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, this time the smoke just smells like the essence of burning things. < 1287861922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "this time"? < 1287861931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also go look for some way to put it out then < 1287861967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yesterday I mentioned it smells like popcorn, but maybe you weren't here then. < 1287861984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's intentional smoke, from one of those machines. < 1287862001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh < 1287862009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought those were supposed to be more or less odourless, though. < 1287862012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why are you using a smoke machine? < 1287862035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not, the place is. There's a chiptune artist playing stuff. < 1287862041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh < 1287862062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wait, wtf, it tries /favicon.ico BEFORE looking for a meta tag? < 1287862063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, no. < 1287862063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where/what is that place? < 1287862067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it the other way around. < 1287862082 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whew* :P < 1287862089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Look for the meta tag, if it's there, use that; failing that, XHR /favicon.ico. Done. < 1287862099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Someone from you country, actually, I think: http://m.altparty.org/event/alt2010-220 -- they're supposedly Swedish. < 1287862100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You may want to scale it to 2x. < 1287862107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/you/your/ < 1287862112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also maybe in *addition* to the existing goombas, since they're different aspect ratios. :P < 1287862115 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's 16x16 by default, right? < 1287862136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It *is* 16x16. Full stop. < 1287862139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it could support multiple sizes < 1287862145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wait, does img to an ico work? Right, yes, of course it does. < 1287862148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an .ico after all < 1287862153 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty darn small :P < 1287862156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So 2x is. < 1287862162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesh < 1287862162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1287862165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32x32 is pretty good < 1287862174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And you'll want to keep existing dog things, just make them less frequent. < 1287862176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, aren't the dogs around that size? < 1287862178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since different sizes etc. < 1287862227 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 26x22 < 1287862232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1287862239 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The player is only 20x40 < 1287862369 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, finding favicon = annoying .... < 1287862371 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all webpages would have favicons. < 1287862374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Plof has both parenless function calls and also first-class functions, yes? < 1287862378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you handle zero-argument calls? < 1287862386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not all webpages would have favicons. <-- so use a default one < 1287862386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1287862391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You know < 1287862395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's just an unfortunate special case. < 1287862398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Google has a service to give you a favicon given a domain, reliably. < 1287862400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including a default. < 1287862409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, really? < 1287862412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a /domain/, not a page? < 1287862415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not anything "official" I think one of their apps use it. But, yeah. < 1287862419 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where is that? WANT. < 1287862420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uh, page, yeah. < 1287862423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try and find it < 1287862426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was on reddit or something :P < 1287862448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=dom < 1287862452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not URL. < 1287862453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain. < 1287862457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But oh well, it also gives back a default favicon. < 1287862463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who can complain? < 1287862502 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice 8-D < 1287862511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seems it converts to png too < 1287862521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: Plof has both parenless function calls and also first-class functions, yes? < 1287862521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do you handle zero-argument calls? < 1287862530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. does "f" call f with zero arguments or simply evaluate to f? < 1287862537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the latter, is there any special syntax for zero-argument calls? < 1287862539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to say f()? < 1287862551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : () elliott: It's just an unfortunate special case. < 1287862558 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, f() < 1287862559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ohh, I thought you meant the favicons. X-D < 1287862567 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1287862573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i.e. when it has no favicon < 1287862594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In my/our case that's a bit inconvenient since it'd be nice to have things like .sort! to destructively sort, and () kinda ruins that a bit. < 1287862595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blergh. < 1287862614 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C you write f() and it makes sense like that. But the thing that is slightly less sense is when you put a variable name it doesn't say address/fetch/store < 1287862637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, it's not the nicest part of the syntax :( < 1287862664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're not meant to lament it with me, you're meant to come up with a solution. :P < 1287862677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another question, if you know about PXELINUX, can you please tell me why this program doesn't work: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1968354 < 1287862717 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right now what little Plof effort I have is going towards the backend, not the frontend. < 1287862740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does FYTHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PLOF 4 fix this? :P < 1287862863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1287862873 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that that's not where my effort is :P < 1287862873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bah! < 1287863038 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen a report about Vorbis is better than MP3 for vector drawings? < 1287863050 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ... vector drawings? < 1287863065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for vector drawings on an oscilloscope. < 1287863109 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The left speaker channel can correspond to the X axis, and the right speaker channel to the Y axis) < 1287863162 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not mentioned in the report, I have seen this method of drawing called "scribblevision" < 1287863229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why the favicon goombas aren't working ...
< 1287863236 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have to mention this now: http://www.intio.or.jp/jf10zl/corpmark.htm < 1287863271 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, my stupidity is why not! < 1287863297 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JF10ZL is my electronics hero < 1287863353 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAVICON GOOMBAS AWAAAAAAY! < 1287863471 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wtfs
< 1287863474 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=google.com works < 1287863478 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=www.google.com < 1287863481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not < 1287863486 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He gave up communication by email, so has Donald Knuth, and myself, and some other people < 1287863521 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1287863550 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, www.foo doesn't work in general X_X < 1287863566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh < 1287863567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=www.google.com WFM < 1287863574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your browser is on crack or something < 1287863577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works in Chrome < 1287863587 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it doesn't result in Google's favicon. < 1287863591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. < 1287863591 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It results in the generic favicon. < 1287863592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It does. < 1287863594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong. < 1287863602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It... results in Google's favicon. < 1287863603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally. < 1287863617 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on any browser for me. < 1287863634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Chrome. < 1287863635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly. < 1287863636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works. < 1287863645 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Chrome. < 1287863648 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not work. < 1287863649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also for reddit.com, github.com. < 1287863650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1287863652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are wrong. < 1287863666 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, reddit it works on ... < 1287863679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also non-reddit. < 1287863687 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :github too it works on. < 1287863692 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only fails for me on www.google.com < 1287863733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well... uhh... < 1287863739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: My google goes to .co.uk. < 1287863743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt *that* does anything. < 1287863744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try curl. < 1287863755 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1287863758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ curl -I http://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=www.google.comHTTP/1.1 200 OK < 1287863777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WTFWTFWTF that worked < 1287863785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Cookies. < 1287863789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Google location cookies. < 1287863800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: curl can use a cookie jar, right? Is it compatible with any of your browsers? Try that. < 1287863800 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with cookies, why would it give me the WRONG FAVICON? < 1287863859 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They all store cookies in DBs now and curl can't use those. < 1287863878 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever, I no longer care, so long as the wtfery is localized :P < 1287863912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD THE GIANT W'S ARE GOING TO KILL ME < 1287863930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1287863933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are slightly gigantic. < 1287863939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you sure you don't just want to scale them to 24x24? < 1287863955 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of anything, I just went with 32x32 for lulz. < 1287863960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 128x128 < 1287863988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHAT'S YOUR HIGH SCORE ON GOATSE.FR < 1287864036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Come to think of it cookies wouldn't matter. < 1287864040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe they would. < 1287864046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's google.com after all, that the favicon service is on. < 1287864051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So *they get your Google cookies*. < 1287864059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1287864100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeeze. 1 year until an RIR is out of IPv4. < 1287864130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock. < 1287864148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1287864182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means probably 1 year until ISPs start *having a transition plan*. < 1287864184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1287864201 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tick ____ tick ____ tick ____ tick tock tick ____ ticktickticktick ____ tickticktick _____________ tttttiiiiiicccccccckkkkkk___________ tick ticktick tick.... < 1287864227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 1, 1, 101, 1111, 111, ...what, 1111 < 1287864361 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia's gonna awesome up the favicons :) < 1287864375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How do you... awesome up... a favicon? < 1287864380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a custom one for every single website? < 1287864385 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By giving it little arms and legs :P < 1287864391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe a knife? < 1287864407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Crazy idea how about HP :| < 1287864444 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science, elliott! Speculative science! < 1287864467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: gahahaa no don't add arms and legs < 1287864469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: try it on w3c < 1287864474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the globes rolling arounnd < 1287864476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the most hilarious thing ever < 1287864477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*around < 1287864529 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: AHA! So you see, that favicon URL doesn't work on at least one other page, w3! < 1287864549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...but they don't have a fucking favicon < 1287864559 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they do. < 1287864567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so they do. < 1287864578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, uh, I have no idea. < 1287864581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do it the manual way then. < 1287864586 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO.popen should be called IO.poopen < 1287864597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But this way seemed so nice X-D < 1287864598 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Why? < 1287864613 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cuz it's poop! well no, it just hates me. < 1287864666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i can totally help. < 1287864668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1287864739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VALIDATORS, UNICORN, AND OTHER SOFTWARE" < 1287864768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Totally add a time-played counter. < 1287864771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEEDRUN < 1287864816 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWICE CHROME HAS TRIED TO KILL MY SYSTEM < 1287864816 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1287864828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMMIT. < 1287864840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS THING GETS TO 9.07GB (in) AND THEN STOPS. < 1287864842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wired.com is win < 1287864850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: your MOM gets 9 gigs in and then stops < 1287864933 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it's the same problem you were having, or similar. i write stuff to a pipe, fine. other end is supposed to read each line and write stuff back (character count for now). i do this manually, everything works; if i try it in a select() loop, that process never becomes 'ready for reading'. < 1287864947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: why are you duplicating my perfect work psht :P < 1287864948 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not IO.popen that hates me, really, it's IO.select < 1287865025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does this again I'm redownloading from archive.org. < 1287865102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though in *principle* it should be perfectly correct; TCP does make that an entirely reasonable assumption, after all. < 1287865170 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you ever get your perfect work to... work? < 1287865176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: well i will today! < 1287865181 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perfect. < 1287865183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it has everything else but this tiny feature :P < 1287865219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bug: Doesn't work on chrome://history :P < 1287865243 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It actually does work on most of Firefox's internal pages, which is pretty amusing. < 1287865258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OMG < 1287865262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You know that URL that is the chrome itself? < 1287865265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the actual interface? < 1287865266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO ITD < 1287865267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IT < 1287865279 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what URL that is, but yes :P < 1287865361 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what was your maximum speed with that aria thing? < 1287865363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul < 1287865367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 1 meg a sec or so < 1287865383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is anyone else consistently amazed how well Google Maps works, even though it's made entirely of DOM elements?" < 1287865385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cry
< 1287865444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IT DOESN'T WORK ON THE BROWSER ;_; < 1287865453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand a refund. < 1287865476 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that URL is... zen. < 1287865485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... Isn't everything entirely made of DOM elements on the web? < 1287865491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Y'know, by definition? < 1287865498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yup. < 1287865508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone else consistently amazed how well people work, even though they're made entirely of atoms? < 1287865520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good, so I'm not insane. Just pissed off. < 1287865539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W3's Favicon goombas are now favicon goombas. < 1287866031 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1287866118 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Game timer added. < 1287866145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does it stop on death? < 1287866147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And winning? < 1287866150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't get the trophy. < 1287866151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1287866171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: omg on codu.org it is hilarious the hats < 1287866175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1287866179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do get the trophu < 1287866185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: havenworks < 1287866439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 216 images, 461 time < 1287866448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it doesn't pause when you tab away < 1287866451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it does < 1287866453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it catches u < 1287866453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1287866456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't stop when you die < 1287866466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1287866484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder it gives up. It runs out of space during decompression. < 1287866486 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaa? It shouldn't catch up. < 1287866496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, larger HDD then < 1287866501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or delete some stuff < 1287866515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it does < 1287866515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1287866518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab away for a minute < 1287866518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab back < 1287866521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch clock scramble < 1287866525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: really though just fix the dying thing. < 1287866540 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, the clock catches up. < 1287866542 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoot, that's right ... < 1287866582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, game doesn't work on http://codu.org/hats.php, you need to add something stand on in between :P < 1287866585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or just stop with the insanity. I like that one. < 1287866597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what are you trying to do? < 1287866606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Lossless feature-length film at 1080p. < 1287866621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, haha, how many GB? < 1287866632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :341GB uncompressed. < 1287866639 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and downloaded? < 1287866641 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lossless" is particularly silly because your input is lossy :P < 1287866658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The input is actually lossless. < 1287866678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaa? What's your input? < 1287866688 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, rendered data perhaps? < 1287866704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The raw frames. < 1287866705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sita Sings the Blues. < 1287866713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A freely-distributed animated film. < 1287866727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... AHAHAH. < 1287866727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, about what? < 1287866731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Including raw, uncompressed 1080p video and the Flash vector files. < 1287866731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can actually get this done. < 1287866740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mencoder supports streaming over HTTP. < 1287866745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: good lord < 1287866746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will just compress straight from archive.org < 1287866752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but it's .mov on archive.org, isn't it? < 1287866757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1287866762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and it has the audio in. < 1287866764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the audio lossless? < 1287866770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: make sure to include it as raw PCM < 1287866782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not I can just use the FLAC I already have. < 1287866793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Havenworks is like the friggin' boss of WebSplat. < 1287866802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1287866813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Havenworks? < 1287866830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1287866830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If it was multiplayer -- yes. < 1287866834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled it < 1287866835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have to get images before your opponent does. < 1287866844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can you tell me what that site is supposed to me? < 1287866845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would so kick your havenworks ass. < 1287866846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks extreme < 1287866890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so that's why the raw off of archive.org is smaller. *That's* a 12fps video. < 1287866947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...is the film 12fps? < 1287866965 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not unusual for animation. < 1287866977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but for a film? < 1287866988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animated film? Yeah. < 1287867318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries a 60 second sample.
< 1287867328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem this has serious issues with buffering. < 1287867396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287867600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. Let's see if ffmpeg has issues with a FIFO. < 1287867721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ffmpeg could convert to flac on the fly, too :) < 1287867906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg *does* work with a pipe. Ahahah. < 1287867915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity I deleted the xz in a fit of rage. XD < 1287867945 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1287867957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: REDOWNLOAD IT IS YOUR DESTINY. < 1287867958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or < 1287867962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: <(curl raw_quicktime) < 1287867967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a file! < 1287868021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does curl ever ever stop trying to retry a download? < 1287868044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1287868056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Eh, I'll just tee the output from curl. < 1287868073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can store this compressed just fine; it's just uncompressed that's a problem. < 1287868329 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my Ruby problem, I *think*, was that I was using read instead of readpartial. < 1287868379 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287868550 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo! < 1287868614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't talk, no keyboard < 1287868654 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, there we go. Got ffmpeg just compressing straight to x264. < 1287868689 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, found thecon screen keyboard < 1287868696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Victory is mine. < 1287868705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget --tries=0 -O - -q http://media.xiph.org/video/derf/y4m/1080p/sita_sings_the_blues_1080p24.y4m.xz | tee "sita_sings_the_blues_1080p24.y4m.xz" | xz -d | ffmpeg -i - -vcodec libx264 -threads 0 -cqp 0 -vpre slower vid.avi < 1287868709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1287868760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it is time to get a desktop computer.
< 1287868791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why would it retry? < 1287868813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Connection drop? < 1287868831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've got wget set to retry forever. Couldn't find a way to make curl do that. < 1287868889 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes curl < 1287868920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so far this is compressing at 22,000 kbps. < 1287868920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, so --tries is actual tries, not retries. < 1287868924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 retries would just never retry :P < 1287868933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ETA? < 1287868941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go with... 13 hours. < 1287868971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then you get to mkvmerge it with the FLAC :P < 1287868975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1287868975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hopefully it'll sync up alright... < 1287868985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We can get bsmntbombdood to play it. < 1287868990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone's computer can play it, his can. < 1287869005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, this is going at sub-DVD bitrates. < 1287869023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no, it's not. < 1287869027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't talk, no keyboard < 1287869027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twice-DVD bitrates. < 1287869031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiiiiight < 1287869061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moral of the story, animated content compresses really well. < 1287869128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, naturally. Lots of same colour areas < 1287869158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It... would fit on a Blu-Ray? Surely not. < 1287869218 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is driving me bonkers < 1287869243 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least ONE of my scripts works, but what is the difference? < 1287869258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: pastie both of them? < 1287869276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y5_zJ1xfQs looks like some of that animation is more fluid than 12fps. i may be wrong < 1287869339 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sec < 1287869345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The stream I'm actually encoding from is 24fps. < 1287869358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: what we're learning here is that fuck unix. < 1287869360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm going to guess that the one on archive.org has multiple framerates. < 1287869361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, right. < 1287869375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Variable frame rate, such amusement. < 1287869402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyways, yeah, it seems this would fit on a Blu-Ray. With room to spare. < 1287869416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xz'd raw would. < 1287869443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but it breaks the blu-ray spec to do so? < 1287869446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have it as an actual video stream < 1287869466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would break the Blu-Ray spec. < 1287869510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Offscreen images (e.g. havenworks :P) are no longer targets. < 1287869527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Horizontal scrolling my friend < 1287869531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also with havenworks just zoom out < 1287869534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i do :D < 1287869542 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I told you to do X_X < 1287869542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not just off-screen < 1287869546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's off-movable-area too < 1287869549 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU make horizontal scrolling work, it's a huge PITA :P < 1287869549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. onion < 1287869562 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I can't fix so easily. < 1287869580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, theonion should be winnable now, since the invisible elements were still onscreen. < 1287869594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just a bit counterintuitive) < 1287869632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, it's fine if you have a touchpad that supports it. < 1287869657 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: E_FAILATKNOWINGWHATWE'RETALKINGABOUT :P < 1287869686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's better than Vorpal's way of handling that error. < 1287869719 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287869721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this appears to be playable in realtime. < 1287869742 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1287869773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: oh interesting it's not actually select that does it < 1287869774 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it. working? now. maybe < 1287869777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes
< 1287869784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):001:0> foo = IO.popen("rev","r+") < 1287869784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> # < 1287869784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):002:0> foo << "abc\n" < 1287869784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> # < 1287869784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):003:0> foo.gets < 1287869785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[hang] < 1287869803 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try foo.flush < 1287869814 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, it's better than Vorpal's way of handling that error. <-- you mean, completely out of context comments? Not really no < 1287869831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh i have another thing < 1287869854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: -e 'rev >&2' works < 1287869856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so aha < 1287869923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: < 1287869924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):001:0> foo = IO.popen("rev","w+") < 1287869924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> # < 1287869924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):002:0> foo.print "abc\n" < 1287869924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> nil < 1287869925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):003:0> foo.flush < 1287869927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> # < 1287869929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):004:0> foo.read_nonblock 8192 < 1287869931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errno::EAGAIN: Resource temporarily unavailable - read would block < 1287869936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, indeed, read blocks < 1287869988 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "frobnicate the bar library" mean anything? < 1287870027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287870039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tweaks internal symbol tables < 1287870246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, so I MAY have just fixed horizontal scrolling ... < 1287870256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes but what exactly is hard to say < 1287870281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, without more context < 1287870321 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287870366 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find a list of how to typeset special characters in man pages? < 1287870378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: t'works < 1287870571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Images collected: 255 < 1287870572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Images remaining: 1499 < 1287870572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time: 604 < 1287870573 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Died < 1287870629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lawl < 1287870630 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing havenweb covered in "YOU'RE WINNER would be the most epic thing ever. < 1287870632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm still going < 1287870638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would be impossible :P < 1287870685 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287870715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 252@827D < 1287870727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :images got @ time [D|W] (died/won) < 1287870734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :252/1402@827D to be precise :P < 1287870737 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION implements proper time pausing ...
< 1287870761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523, we're playing platform games on the most badly-designed website ever < 1287870779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from yvette's bridal formal < 1287870833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i died! < 1287870842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It doesn't help that the havenworks logo is both the favicon and one of the images to get :P < 1287870853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you set the opacity of the HUD? < 1287870864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it white-on-65%-opaque-black or something. < 1287870869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And put it in the bottom-right? It clashes with stuff as it is. < 1287870904 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bottom-right I don't think it'll be very obvious ... maybe top-right? < 1287870907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, eh, that's no better. < 1287870908 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1287870996 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess I can just make it partially transparent :) < 1287871006 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I'm a huge fan of that either ... < 1287871017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's obvious enough when it's white-on-black... < 1287871027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the black is only 65% opaque. < 1287871042 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse ... < 1287871044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you also decrease the threshold for horizontal scrolling? I keep walking into enemies by mistake. < 1287871073 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already 200 pixels X-D < 1287871094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh < 1287871108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCO are getting more ridiculous, now; they've been offering to sell their contracts with other people to other other people < 1287871113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other people are getting confused < 1287871117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaat < 1287871132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 250 pixels! Or base it on screen width? < 1287871133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least two major companies have contacted SCO/the bankruptcy court and said, effectively, "we don't have a contract with you do we? what are you talking about?" < 1287871137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :225? < 1287871149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am confused. :P < 1287871158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SCO's reply was to tell them, effectively, "actually, here's a different contract we forgot" < 1287871167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else seems to be able to make any sense of this either < 1287871173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's certainly an innovative strategy < 1287871229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest people they picked on like this were Oracle, incidentally < 1287871240 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have a suggested multiple of screen width? :P < 1287871256 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1287871262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 218@311D < 1287871264 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish someone ported the modplug player to linux < 1287871265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope :P < 1287871269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It should be window width anyway. < 1287871273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Oracle's response was a very Agoran "I don't know what you're talking about, but I object just in case" < 1287871296 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That was what I assumed you meant. < 1287871307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your face is what I assumed your meant. < 1287871341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I spawned on an enemy X_X < 1287871346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, the time includes the loading time. < 1287871348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sucks. < 1287871361 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Argh, spawning on an enemy should be impossible. Also, the time does NOT include the load time. < 1287871371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well that was NOT 29 seconds < 1287871374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was zero seconds < 1287871385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: presumably me and an enemy spawned apart < 1287871386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it walked into me < 1287871388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i spawned in midair < 1287871390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1287871392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i spawned on an image < 1287871394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which obviously fell away < 1287871455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I worry that http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:BytePushCore is becoming sentient < 1287871480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF WHY CAN'T I SET THE FONT COLOR < 1287871534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why? < 1287871535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1287871544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wtf at that SCO thing < 1287871602 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An SCO thing? < 1287871608 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interest is piqued. < 1287871720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes read what ais523 said in the last screenful < 1287871742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, starts after SCO are getting more [...] < 1287871830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 216@625D; I was taking it slowly and going for breadth, but then a stupid ACTUALLY STATIONARY favicon got me. < 1287871838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Plz make favicons flip to show direction or something :P < 1287871841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can see it wobbling. < 1287871863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't make them flip, can't do that from JS. I could do it on the server, but right now the server doesn't do anything :P < 1287871889 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm trying to properly make your half-opaque HUD. Which should work except WHY ISN'T THIS FONT COLOR SETTING PROPERLY ARGH < 1287871933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what are you doing right now? < 1287871958 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Setting a CSS class to set color: white !important, and putting that CSS class on the table cells of the HUD. < 1287872034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArghwtfCSS. MY FAULT I'M DUMB. < 1287872036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh... why not use inline styles? < 1287872046 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inane styles < 1287872059 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because it was getting overridden, and I can't set "!important" from JavaScript. < 1287872074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1287872080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set the style attribute manually < 1287872090 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't write a , I made it in JS. < 1287872091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, does someone pay you to do those puns? < 1287872104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised oerjan hasn't cracked down on them. < 1287872105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287872107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: setAttribute < 1287872151 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, I wouldn't have thought to use that to set the style since that's a really grody way to set style ..... < 1287872159 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have a DIFFERENT SOLUTION. < 1287872234 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in fossil, commits have background color < 1287872262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is that fossil as in venti? < 1287872294 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's venti as in fossil, then yes? < 1287872302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, err < 1287872325 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think no < 1287872339 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the version control system, fossil-scm.org < 1287872345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Phantom_Hoover: SCO have gone from making software to making lawsuits to making WTFs < 1287872355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FIX'T looka fancy HUD < 1287872409 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i am on oerjan's payroll < 1287872455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, do you stamp out independent punsters? < 1287872487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, very true < 1287872488 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you suggesting that I run an independent punster factory? < 1287872502 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaaah, the fossil faq has "What is the difference between a branch and a fork?" and says it's much too big a question for the FAQ... < 1287872505 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but reading the referenced part of the documentation, it turns out that there *is no difference* < 1287872509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: GIVE IT A ROUNDED CORNR < 1287872510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CORNER < 1287872515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although cornr is appropriate < 1287872519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cornr 2.0 beta < 1287872529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I'm suggesting that you help me overthrow the tyrannical regime of oerjan and implement my own tyrannical regime. < 1287872532 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN HASKELL. < 1287872546 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... is there a CSS attribute for that? :P < 1287872554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah no that is a different fossil < 1287872556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. < 1287872559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: border-radius. < 1287872566 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: polymorphic tyrrany! < 1287872572 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1287872573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Add -moz-border-radius and -webkit-border-radius to taste. < 1287872577 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, better! < 1287872580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In fact, just use this: http://border-radius.com/ < 1287872585 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell EXTRACTED FROM COQ! < 1287872596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive tyranny! < 1287872597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually don't. < 1287872599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Here, do this: < 1287872611 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fist/ will be invaluable in our mission < 1287872620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: border-top-left-radius: N; -moz-border-radius-topleft: N; -webkit-border-top-left-radius: N; < 1287872624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: N in ems or px. < 1287872626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're welcome. < 1287872640 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... topleft? < 1287872654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If the HUD is in the bottom-right... < 1287872657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you want to set the topleft. < 1287872658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But yes. < 1287872659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: One word. < 1287872662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. I know. < 1287872665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't try and understand. < 1287872671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS is not based on logic. < 1287872676 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, let's make it iron! < 1287872700 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if the HUD is on the top-left, which it is, then I want bottom-right :P < 1287872896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1287872905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...no < 1287872909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: bottom-right HUD kthx < 1287872914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's the most out-of-the-way < 1287872915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the stock markets are officially motherfucking insane. < 1287872917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it *is* noticeable < 1287872924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, please keep the HUD where it is < 1287872927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it is better there < 1287872930 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It IS the most out of the way, and yet it is NOT noticeable at all. < 1287872934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99% of stocks in the US are de jure owned by Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation. < 1287872938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...yes it freaking is at 65% black < 1287872941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just blind < 1287872970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what? < 1287872972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How one goes about "purchasing" a stock is one has DTCC purchase a stock and you are the beneficiary. < 1287873004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They own most of the stocks world-wide. < 1287873013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how strange < 1287873022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have $23 trillion dollars in assets. < 1287873036 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: would you settle for... iron-on? < 1287873051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough! < 1287873057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they wanted to screw over the US economy, they could just take their ball and go home. < 1287873062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, world economy. < 1287873076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway it makes it almost impossible to get some logos. < 1287873078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed. Is it a private company? < 1287873086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Whereas you can't GET to the bottom-right because it scrolls before you do. < 1287873090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it is by definition out of the way. < 1287873092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1287873108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, bottom right is bad, would break wikipedia iirc < 1287873118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you can't get at the images down there then < 1287873131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I believe elliott has me on ignore, so no point in telling him directly < 1287873138 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That would be a lot less broken than it is now on Wikipedia. < 1287873147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it isn't broken there < 1287873153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, works perfectly for me < 1287873157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the main page that is < 1287873171 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Err, sorry, what I mean is that that brokenness on Wikipedia would be a lot less than the brokenness on other sites. < 1287873184 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Since having an image in the top-left is a lot more common than having the image in the absolute bottom-right. < 1287873194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor sees the light at last :| < 1287873195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm < 1287873197 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, on Wikipedia I think those images are high enough up that they still wouldn't be covered. < 1287873205 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have not argued at all that it would block anything. < 1287873211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My argument is thus: No one will ever notice it's there. < 1287873216 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, same < 1287873218 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas for next version of Enhanced CWEB: * More symbols in WEBMATH font. * New command @" which makes a string typeset with \atquote{...} around it, and allow defining its meaning for CTANGLE. * Allow @. inside of strings: "abc@.def" is indexed as "def" and "abc@.def@.ghi" is indexed as "def...". < 1287873218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay then. Not 65% opacity. < 1287873220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :75%. < 1287873231 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Any other ideas you may have that might or might not be included. < 1287873233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It is *impossible not to notice a medium-sized, dark rectangle appearing on a page*. < 1287873234 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first was to hold all paper stock certificates in one centralized location, and automate the process by keeping electronic records of all certificates and securities clearing and settlement (changes of ownership and other securities transactions). The method was first used in Austria by the Vienna Giro and Depository Association in 1872." < 1287873238 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The level of opacity is irrelevant. It could be fully opaque. No one would ever see it. < 1287873244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...you are crazy < 1287873248 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :electronic records in 1872 < 1287873252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean bottom-right of the window in case that's not clear. < 1287873257 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Better C interpreter. < 1287873258 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course. < 1287873267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I... do you have any fucking idea how good the eye is at noticing things? < 1287873284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am... how the fuck can you believe that the appearance of an almost-black, medium-sized rectangle would go COMPLETELY UNNOTICED FOREVER? < 1287873288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're full of shit. < 1287873289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, their assets are now at $30 trillion. < 1287873292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRILLION. < 1287873308 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having watched people not even notice they had a character or that any of the images got bordered, I doubt that there is any limit to what the human eye can fail to notice. < 1287873336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try it and then tell me that. Anyway, is your target market people who are nearly-blind? < 1287873343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The character isn't black. (in the literal sense) < 1287873347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The character is tiny. < 1287873348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HUD is not. < 1287873357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yellow blends in very well with white, and the borders are small. < 1287873368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it's easy not to notice the HUD now because it's *black on white like most web pages*. < 1287873402 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I already tried ti! < 1287873403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have set it up so a single entity holds all the stocks, just to make it easier to trade stocks. < 1287873406 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1287873413 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have said anything if I hadn't tried it. < 1287873415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Push it to the server, srsly. I want to see for myself. < 1287873420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The financial "industry" is a bunch of morons. < 1287873432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what was the name of the company again? < 1287873451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation. < 1287873497 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1287873503 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :428@1105D < 1287873511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so they are the TRUE rulers of the world? < 1287873516 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a third of the way there D-8 < 1287873516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HAHAHAHAHAHA :| < 1287873523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fine, pushed. Except that you're doubly incapable of thinking there's anything wrong with it regardless of whether there is :P < 1287873546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They have the power to create the largest economic crash ever, so *yes*. < 1287873553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have... not pushed. < 1287873555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still right there. < 1287873562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, are they hiring? < 1287873566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Alternately, they could merely use their stocks to take over every company. < 1287873610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, please tell me you use "outline: ..." to do the image borders. < 1287873611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.dtcc.com/careers/ < 1287873612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you failed to push. < 1287873616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq, I pushed but it didn't do it right ... < 1287873632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that was facetious, by the way. < 1287873650 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PLEASE TELL ME YOU CAN MANAGE TO NOT BITCH ABOUT ONE FUCKING THING EVER. < 1287873656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short, we are *fuuucked*. < 1287873662 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there is no regulation in place to stop them destroying the world economy? < 1287873662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You... said you pushed. You did not push. < 1287873665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calm down. < 1287873675 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about "outline" < 1287873677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, my supervillian dreams can finally become reality. < 1287873681 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did push, it didn't go through apparently. < 1287873699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was making a suggestion to use outline if you didn't... < 1287873701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus man. < 1287873709 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1287873710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There is no regulation in place to stop them from running the world, no. < 1287873714 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really really like augur's new layout < 1287873716 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kid's got talent < 1287873722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because they are the majority stockholder of everything. < 1287873747 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, it appears that it was pushed, probably a caching issue. Clear thine cache. < 1287873753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name a company, THEY OWN IT. < 1287873758 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so why aren't they? < 1287873775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1287873803 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they don't own my company < 1287873808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, any citation for this? < 1287873820 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: largely because the prosperity of my company is unrelated to the economic climate < 1287873839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I don't believe you, but this is deeply interesting, and I don't want to have to bug you with questions. < 1287873879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-000923.htm , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_Trust_%26_Clearing_Corporation , http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/annuals/2010/DTC_Q2_2010.pdf , etc. < 1287873938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what's the US's national budget? < 1287873972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3.8 trillion. < 1287873975 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INT_MAX < 1287873994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US national *debt* is $13 trillion. < 1287874005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do believe DTCC could purchase the US. < 1287874009 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa is like a fucking crackmonkey < 1287874016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They already arguably have. < 1287874033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They own all the shares; what more do you want? < 1287874153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads that quarterly report.
< 1287874175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world GDP is $58 trillion. DTCC has nearly half of the world GDP. < 1287874177 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, they only list their total assets at $3.7 million. < 1287874191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that column is in thousands. < 1287874211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be a holding company? < 1287874230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: on Sita: "Who created the film? and as an artist i will never agree to give my creations to anyone to take it and claim it... would you give away your children for anyone to take? would you say its about the children not you as the parent? When you steal you steal.. I have the right to my writings, and my films.... and it's not for anyone else to take...." < 1287874233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol youtube comments. < 1287874243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be, given that the sum of all the numbers can't be more than a couple of tens of billions. < 1287874254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/annuals/2009/dtcc_consolidated_2009.pdf < 1287874257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the sum total. < 1287874276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why should I question copyrights...?. I'm a filmmaker, and I spend and sacrifice my time, health, and sanity to create my stories and my films... Why do I want to just give it away and let people use it as theirs????" < 1287874286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: apparently anti-copyright = plagiarist < 1287874294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Retarded. < 1287874519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so wait, why did it end up like this? < 1287874560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: To reduce paperwork. < 1287874576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A noble aim if I ever heard one. < 1287874576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Before, to trade stocks you had to trade physical stock certificates. < 1287874583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Now, it never changes hands. < 1287874608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bankers are morons. < 1287874611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile here you just say to DTCC "he can have those stocks" and DTCC pushes a little trolley around in its vault? < 1287874638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm never going to be dissuaded from that picture, so please don't try. < 1287874646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even. DTCC just changes who it's held in trust for in their computer... < 1287874659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you could argue that there's a *tiny* little trolley shovelling the bits around. < 1287874679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: without DTCC, we wouldn't have all the crazy high-freq trading, would we? :P < 1287874686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've taken this trolley... and put a ROCKET on the back of it." < 1287874696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OMG WE CAN TRADE LIKE ONE STOCK EVERY THREE SECONDS THIS WAY" < 1287874699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Revolutionary!" < 1287874701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not without changing some actual regulations. < 1287874715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this should have happened < 1287874724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is, there's a bunch of actual paper certificates sitting in DTCC's vaults. < 1287874727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1287874733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One per stock. < 1287874734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, let's both join them and help revolutionise the process! < 1287874739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One per mother-fucking stock. < 1287874745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you can join in too! < 1287874753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll get ROBOTS! < 1287874757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With KITTENS! < 1287874765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MISSILES full of STOCKS! < 1287874770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, enormous vaults then? < 1287874786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, which is why they need ROCKET SLEDS! < 1287874789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They've got *40 trillion dollars*. I think they can afford a few enormous vaults. < 1287874805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, better idea: change regulations so there doesn't have to be physical papers < 1287874822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, they could go out and purchase MOST OF THE PLANET. < 1287874832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, TOO DAMN SANE < 1287874835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This would be smart. < 1287874838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Bankers are morons. < 1287874839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't come to our robot party! < 1287874849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, don't complain about it, EXPLOIT it! < 1287874853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh right < 1287874890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wait, you can create stock out of thin air, can't you? < 1287874892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also fun. If some cracker wanted to be truly nasty, well, they've got a single target. < 1287874900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: By splitting stocks, yes. < 1287874913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah, I'm sure they have backups < 1287874918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then DTCC has a little printer that runs off a new certificate? < 1287874926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I suppose. < 1287874932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, probably a huge printer < 1287874937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then an army of secretaries filing constantly? < 1287874945 0 :tombom__!tombom@86.24.29.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287874953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See how this is RIPE for the mighty ARM of AUTOMATION! < 1287874959 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well? < 1287874975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you any good at robots? < 1287874979 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the bottom-right, what's your prognosis? < 1287874982 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not even a little bit. < 1287874986 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no I think it is ARIN for that < 1287875009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't get the pun I will be sad < 1287875015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, are you clinically INSANE? < 1287875020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Aw, there's denominations of stock certificates. < 1287875024 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you can do something just for that pun. < 1287875026 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, NOOOO < 1287875033 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Probably. < 1287875039 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the army of secretaries will still be there? < 1287875047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a smaller army. < 1287875063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, but if I create a new company, isn't new stock somehow now there? < 1287875103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When you create a brand-new company, *you* own it. < 1287875110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, this only applies to publicly traded stock right? < 1287875117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DTCC only becomes involved when it becomes publicly traded. < 1287875122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherein stocks come into existence. < 1287875132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, OK, so then the little printer is brought online? < 1287875141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so. < 1287875150 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1287875196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also, if I split a stock and then trade half of it with someone else, that half still needs to be moved, yes? < 1287875233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Companies* split the stock every now and then. < 1287875249 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows NOTHING about economics.
< 1287875250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splitting the stock is something that happens to all the stock of the company at once. < 1287875256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1287875269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not so much economics as it is the crazy game run by bankers. < 1287875298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but there still must be a little printer far under DTCC which prints out new stocks. < 1287875305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1287875364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there must be some system to move these stocks around. < 1287875384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. File them once and forget them. < 1287875390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only because otherwise the little printer will basically be under a huge pile of stocks that is starting to crystallise. < 1287875408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit pikhq, you're treading on my dreams! < 1287875489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dreams of giant robots and rocket sleds! < 1287875566 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proceeds to change the position of the scoreboard again since elliott is unresponsive and he hates having it in the bottom-right.
< 1287875590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, one last time, there is absolutely no regulation of note acting on DTCC? < 1287875616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: None. < 1287875649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There must be a conspiracy theory here already. < 1287875664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Except that as a member of the Federal Reserve, they need to take out insurance on any bank deposits made with them. (they don't offer bank accounts) :P < 1287875753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, my mind is blown. < 1287875759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about outside the US? < 1287875781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the fact that the US economy crashing taking the rest with it, of course. < 1287875786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*takes < 1287875835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that other places don't have this exact strain of insanity. < 1287875845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They perform the same function in most of the world stock markets. < 1287875853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1287875871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not only do they control the US economy, but most of the world economy too? < 1287875881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1287875965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do they actually make money? < 1287876033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, do you give them a cut to push the trolley around? < 1287876145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1287876188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, presumably the $3*10^13 isn't just petty cash. < 1287876221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the stocks they are holding, so surely they can't just spend it with no other economic consequences? < 1287876241 0 :tombom__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1287876337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In their SEC filing they should have listed the cash or cash equivalent. < 1287876347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That* is their assets that are liquid. < 1287876370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. what they could go out and blow in a orgy of spending right this instant) < 1287876386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that pdf you linked the SEC filing? < 1287876396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think so, yeah. < 1287876455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had $4e9 as the total assets, IIRC. < 1287876464 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does all that money exist as physical money? < 1287876473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/annuals/2009/dtcc_consolidated_2009.pdf This? < 1287876478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1287876479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1287876482 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love the scientific notation on these figures, btw < 1287876487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It exists as stocks that could be traded. < 1287876494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the $3e13 is in stocks. < 1287876500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh < 1287876506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That is to say, it is definitely considered part of the money supply. < 1287876543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Total assets 37,719,148" < 1287876558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(In thousands, except share data) < 1287876560 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1287876579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As part of the M2 -- that is, as part of what is generally considered "money in circulation". < 1287876582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So $4e10. < 1287876606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: $4e13, you mean. < 1287876627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no, that's the total assets from various other sources. < 1287876635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1287876663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtcc_consolidated_2009.pdf is where I got the $4e10 from. < 1287876708 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Wikipedia break this X_X < 1287876722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to that Ming the whatever article you linked to, there's another company called something & co. which is on the stock certificates. < 1287876751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their total liabilities are $4e10 as well. < 1287876760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no idea what liabilities are < 1287876760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A subsidiary of DTCC. < 1287876767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cede and Company. < 1287876768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes. < 1287876770 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them. < 1287876861 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1287876909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they have the $3e13 total assets, but I could well be wrong. < 1287876989 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1287876991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Stocks held by DTC are kept in the name of its partnership nominee, Cede & Co.]] < 1287877005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— WP < 1287877066 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sobs at Wikipedia's inability to set my BG ...
< 1287877104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you put it back so I have a chance to check it? :P < 1287877114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, set the "background" by just overlaying the entire screen. < 1287877117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed-position element < 1287877120 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0423.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1287877145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... lame. CSS background should work. < 1287877146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you think of a name for the subset of concatenative languages where the main form of flow control is manipulating code as data on a stack? < 1287877155 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that element would just have to use CSS background itself. < 1287877156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It also goes over all the elements, which is fun < 1287877161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1287877163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: perhaps it's the frame-breaking code, or something like that? < 1287877170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Quinatanative :D < 1287877178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: * { background: foo !important } < 1287877180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DO IT < 1287877248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, yes, setting the background on everything will in fact give it a background color :P < 1287877249 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"underload-likes" < 1287877255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: boring < 1287877260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also too self-plugging, for ais523 :P < 1287877263 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and descriptive < 1287877265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DOOO IT < 1287877268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no it's not < 1287877272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires knowledge of underload < 1287877273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not pretty < 1287877276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're boring < 1287877278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU'RE WINNER already DOOOOS that. < 1287877280 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1287877283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, surely there are some agreements, even unspoken or non-legally-binding ones, governing DTCC. < 1287877284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dos it. < 1287877291 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rogue-likes" rquires knowledge of rogue < 1287877296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AESTHETICS DON'T MATTER WE SHOULD ALL TALK IN C < 1287877298 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans communicate by metaphor and comparison < 1287877300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ++ < 1287877306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When you win, it just adds * { background: url(...) !important; } to your CSS. < 1287877318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh. So you DO have the same awesome idea as me. < 1287877325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was commenting more on "DOOOOS" :P < 1287877349 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good idea < 1287877357 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if wikipedia won't work, we should DoS it < 1287877387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyhow totally put the HUD back for my opinioning. < 1287877389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1287877409 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, aren't there even contracts somewhere along the line < 1287877417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1287877454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pikhq: lol < 1287877464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling pikhq is either exaggerating slightly due to being misinformed somehow < 1287877466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... < 1287877469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i have no idea what < 1287877470 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have. And it's pushed. If you say it isn't pushed, you get /ignore. Learn to clear your cache. < 1287877483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You said you put it back. < 1287877486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it does seem *way* too crazy to be that true... < 1287877491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Gregor proceeds to change the position of the scoreboard again since elliott is unresponsive and he hates having it in the bottom-right. < 1287877495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read my scrollback when I return. < 1287877497 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I /just/ put it back again. < 1287877500 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, three seconds ago. < 1287877504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ENOTPSYCHIC < 1287877504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back back again. < 1287877506 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the bottom-right that is. < 1287877552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay, that will totally work if you increase the font size. < 1287877557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too small as it is. < 1287877564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to make the whole thing bigger. < 1287877579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, do you actually have positive confirmation for the complete unregulatedness of DTCC? < 1287877587 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you realize how much simpler internationalization.wi is over other programs such as GNU gettext? < 1287877590 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is SUCH AN ANNOYING PLACE for it to be. Even knowing it's there, that's almost always super-distant from where I want my eyes to be. < 1287877598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do it in the top-right then. < 1287877611 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top-right I can live with. < 1287877618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's much less irritating than top-left and anyway most games use top-right. < 1287877628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh man on twitter you get these little evil birds < 1287877630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3<3<3 < 1287877670 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD KILL THE BIRDS OH GOD WHYYYY < 1287877687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1287877708 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION got twittered.
< 1287877724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *twat < 1287877728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh I thought it was a reference to the movie "The Birds" < 1287877741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sorry, yes. I got twat. < 1287877751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, link? < 1287877755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh lovely, the translucency of the HUD means that the trophy gets shown there too < 1287877756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i approve < 1287877771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhh, twitter.com ... < 1287877777 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well duh < 1287877780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I meant < 1287877781 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The trophy thing is SO UGLY it has to stay forever :P < 1287877786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the page where you got twat < 1287877792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: omg omg make it flash < 1287877794 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There. With WebSplat :P < 1287877798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: set the background to that and then remove it < 1287877801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every $interval < 1287877802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, presumably someone linked websplat in a twat? < 1287877803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OMG WAIT NO < 1287877810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have it remove it from random elements at random times < 1287877816 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I just got killed by a Twitter bird :P < 1287877817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it just... vomits trophies all over the place < 1287877818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1287877823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, aaah < 1287877825 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's what I meant by "twittered" < 1287877837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm bad at names, anyway. < 1287877838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, twat* < 1287877840 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most games use top-right? OK. However, when I make a game I assign an entire row or column to the status information? < 1287877848 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what game are you trying to write here < 1287877859 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Generic Platform Killemup Game? < 1287877870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generic Platform Killemup Game ON WHEELS < 1287877872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^W < 1287877873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^W < 1287877874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON WEB < 1287877882 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that seems distinctly non-esoteric. < 1287877891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://codu.org/websplat/ < 1287877896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, bookmarklet is broken? < 1287877897 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there's a caveat here. < 1287877899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's played on web pages. < 1287877900 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope. < 1287877902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did you change something recently < 1287877906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Lots of things. < 1287877920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that it's written entirely in upside-down characters or something similarly zany. < 1287877920 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Try clearing your cache, I've found that the caches are WAY too greedy. < 1287877929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's far more zany than that :P < 1287877943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Mad props for this btw. < 1287877943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just play it. Discover the joy. TASTE THE RAINBOW. < 1287877946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an awesome game. < 1287877955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OMG I'M GOING TO TRY IT ON GMAIL HAHAHAHA < 1287877955 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why thankee :P < 1287877958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will break horribly < 1287877967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1287877967 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287877969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: evil envelopes < 1287877972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, works on w3.org but not on twitter.com < 1287877976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i just drop to the bottom < 1287877979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gmail's entirely in a frame or something < 1287877983 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's ... bizarre. < 1287877988 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Laaaame :( < 1287877998 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang it, killed by a Spamusercake. < 1287878069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It fails at frames. And EVERYONE USES FRAMES. < 1287878075 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1287878087 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that is the coolest thing in history EVER < 1287878092 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pretty sure SOP would kill me there anyway :P < 1287878099 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHY YES. YES IT IS. X-P < 1287878106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.twogroove.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/a_winner_is_you_1024.jpg < 1287878116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please use either YOU'RE WINNER or this with 1/2 probability. < 1287878118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be GLORIOUS < 1287878152 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays it on the WebSplat page.
< 1287878162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the aim? < 1287878167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1287878169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try loading it again. < 1287878171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And read the button. < 1287878173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then read the HUD. < 1287878179 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoah, where is that from? < 1287878200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1287878202 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wish that wasn't a JPEG :( < 1287878204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Pro Wrestling on the NES. < 1287878207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can find another. < 1287878209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=a+winner+is+you&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=DmjDTMOPGNW7jAesr8S5BQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQsAQwAA&biw=1020&bih=582 < 1287878215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's horribly famous. < 1287878247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, controls are just the arrow keys, yes? < 1287878247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: authoritative info http://encyclopediadramatica.com/A_winner_is_you < 1287878250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or was < 1287878252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasd < 1287878255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS IT SAYS ON THE PAGE < 1287878267 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover doesn't like to read :P < 1287878272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: down falls below the floor if you want < 1287878277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :down-jump can be useful to jump on top of things < 1287878281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up-up is double jump. < 1287878283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1287878290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do when I get trapped by a paragraph? < 1287878293 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm in JPEG hell why are they all JPEGs oh god NOOOO < 1287878305 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can duck to drop through things, and double-jump to jump through things. < 1287878326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there's a gif < 1287878326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DTCC-held stocks have the 'owner' listed as a beneficiary. < 1287878331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the guy is you, right? < 1287878336 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yup :P < 1287878352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also < 1287878354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or < 1287878359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: append "filetype:png" < 1287878361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "filetype:gif" < 1287878370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.phlashers.com/images/aWinner.gif < 1287878372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This is the same legal infrastructure as is used for trust funds. It's all not in the beneficiary's name, but it's technically operated for the sake of the beneficiary. < 1287878391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Aha, that's perfect though, hoopla