19:54:49 -!- clog has joined. 19:54:49 -!- clog has joined. 19:57:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:59:29 clog! 19:59:49 clog: KEEP CLOGGIN' DEM TUBES 19:59:55 10.10.0303-Oct-2010 00:00 0 19:59:58 The day that did not exist. 19:59:59 -!- baschtl has joined. 20:00:07 hallo 20:00:08 hi baschtl 20:00:16 good timing, our channel logger just cam eback 20:00:18 *came back 20:00:54 channel logger? 20:01:03 yes. 20:01:05 clog. 20:01:11 it watches. everything. and puts it on the web. 20:01:21 yes 20:01:21 like CCTV, except fluffier 20:01:28 yay clog is back 20:01:34 BEST DAY EVER 20:01:59 the timeline must be preserved! 20:02:38 alise: go send in your put-together logs 20:02:39 -!- baschtl has left (?). 20:02:54 yorick: that is unlikely to have any effect. clog runs entirely without administration. 20:03:06 then who fixed it 20:03:11 probably some other channel's denizens yelled in #tunes until it came back. or my email to Faré was actually received 20:03:17 clog runs completely unadministrated, but tunes.org doesn't 20:03:29 so someone just restarted it i guess 20:03:30 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 20:03:59 I think it's scary 20:04:04 -!- FireFly has joined. 20:04:12 yorick: what, clog? 20:04:17 ya, clog 20:04:28 no way -- logreading is our national pastime 20:04:35 you shouldn't say anything really stupid on irc anyway 20:04:45 although even if you claim to have murdered someone, nobody's likely to believe you anyway 20:04:46 why not? 20:04:54 yorick: because even if logs aren't public, people log. 20:05:04 but what if I claim I warezed stuff 20:05:17 I don't care about other people 20:05:21 I do care about google 20:05:22 "If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging, --" I don't think we really do that latter part, and I'm not sure how that should be done. On the other hand, we're not exactly model freenode citizens anyway, what with the single-# thing and all. 20:05:24 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:05:28 -!- augur_ has joined. 20:05:56 what's with the single-# thing? 20:05:57 fizzie: I don't think any channel does that. 20:06:04 C does it 20:06:06 yorick: you're meant to have two #s if you don't own the thing your channel is named after 20:06:15 ah :) 20:06:16 for instance, the C committee could register #c, but not a random group of C users 20:06:20 omg you stupid people :P 20:06:30 yorick: this channel predates that policy by *many* years 20:06:31 you can't own "esoteric" 20:06:34 i believe it even predates the name freenode 20:06:38 that's what i was gonna say -- nobody owns esotericity anyway 20:06:43 so it's not really a big deal at al 20:06:44 *all 20:07:05 but how can I make comments without logging 20:07:06 Yes, but even if it's a non-ownable thing, it should go to the ## namespace according to them guidelines. Not that anyone cares. 20:07:22 yorick: You should make them somewhere else, then, I gather. 20:08:12 yorick: /msg someone and hope they don't say it in-channel 20:08:35 yorick, how does ##c implement it? 20:08:45 or was that just the ## thing? 20:08:57 or was that just the ## thing 20:09:00 just the ## 20:09:09 (plenty of languages answer questions by restating it without questioning) 20:09:14 (my laziness knows no bounds) 20:09:24 (typing "yes" is a chore) 20:09:30 I am tempted to say "if you prefix your messages with your nickserv password, it's not shown to us but clog will ignore them". 20:09:44 But maybe that wouldn't be entirely believable. 20:10:35 I think Graue could make a case for owning the channel 20:10:38 but I don't think he's interested 20:10:40 "it's not shown to us but clog will ignore them" 20:10:41 i would answer "bindun" 20:10:42 alise: no way 20:10:44 we predate the wiki 20:10:49 alise: such as latin 20:10:52 alise: agreed, but the wiki's the website with that name 20:10:52 also, it isn't about who owns the channel 20:10:53 alise, that made sense, just not obviously 20:10:55 alise: stop highlighting yourself 20:10:57 it's about who owns the concept itself 20:10:59 alise: latin doesn't even have a word for "yes" 20:11:00 *ais523: 20:11:11 >nickserv< ghost quintopia bindun 20:11:12 -NickServ- quintopia is not a registered nickname. 20:11:13 quintopia: do you happen to have an hilight on "alice" 20:11:14 alise, he meant "(the password) is not shown to us, but clog will ignore (the lines)" 20:11:16 yorick: not a single word 20:11:21 yorick: if it would, it wouldn't be effective 20:11:29 Vorpal: oh 20:11:35 alise: not a single word 20:11:36 Vorpal: that's not really a valid way of saying that :P 20:11:36 "in this way I confirm it" is the literal translation of the most common idiom to mean "yes" in Latin 20:11:39 yorick: quintopia: do you happen to have an hilight on "alice" 20:11:40 alise, yes it wasn't very obvious :P 20:11:41 my name is not alice 20:11:47 alise, but it is the only way it made half-way sense 20:11:50 neither is mine! 20:11:55 what a coincidence 20:11:57 nobody's name is alice! NOBODY'S 20:11:59 ais523: sorry! 20:12:09 maybe i should register . . . >.> 20:12:09 quintopia: do you happen to have an hilight on "alise"? 20:12:13 ais523: do you have a highlight on "ais523", yorick? 20:12:13 alise: sorry 20:12:14 yorick: I was trying to make a joke, not accusing you 20:12:15 yorick: no 20:12:19 fizzie: fizzie! 20:12:21 I have higlights on quite a few obscure things 20:12:23 ais523: I ment alise: 20:12:27 but none of them are the nicks of other people in the channel 20:12:31 oklopol: what the heck does "ment" mean? 20:12:42 ais523: but you happen to have a name that has the same color as alises 20:12:47 alise, lets wait for what fizzie has to answer himself 20:12:59 yorick: that's nicely self-referential, mispinging in a misping apology effectively atones for itself 20:13:08 yorick: no, alise and Vorpal have the same color. they are green, and ais523 is orange 20:13:16 actually, I'm black and alise is grey 20:13:18 ais523: "I resign as IADoP and Registar and go on hold." --Wooble, after comex transfers a prop from Wooble to comex after Keba posted an apologetic resignation and on-holding after Wooble tried to NoV em for not publishing a report 20:13:21 whereas vorpal is cyan 20:13:29 quintopia: vorpal is definately green...alise is orange too 20:13:33 ais523: do we actually have *conclusive* evidence that he's over 12? 20:13:38 alise: to be fair, it doesn't take much to cause Wooble to ragequit 20:13:42 I think it's just his playstyle 20:13:43 i'm orange and grey! 20:13:48 ais523: whinestyle :P 20:13:50 I'm kind-of surprised he didn't deregister 20:13:51 yorick: the only way to know what's it like to see via echolocation is to be a bat. 20:14:01 ais523: we need some sort of minimum on-hold time 20:14:07 it'd help prevent some sorts of scams too, I bet 20:14:08 The "it == password, them == lines" interpretation is correct, but I concur that it wasn't a very proper way. 20:14:22 wow, this channel's activity has exploded in the past minute or so 20:14:23 quintopia: I disagree; there are echolocation devices available that convert the data into a sense you do have 20:14:25 everyone is blue here. Apart from me, who is grey 20:14:27 and people can learn to use them 20:14:32 I just find nick colours confusing 20:14:39 because of the colour conflicts 20:14:40 because we said a few lines at once and the replies have forked way too many subprocesses... 20:14:40 alise: you can't win for a week after becoming active 20:14:42 Vorpal: you're green 20:14:45 which do happen quite often 20:14:51 alise: wow, forkbombing an IRC channel 20:14:54 that's pretty impressive 20:14:57 lol 20:14:58 ais523: there's a difference between what we perceive hearing a sondol and what a bat perceives getting an echo back 20:15:14 quintopia: not massively, it's the same data in a different encoding 20:15:15 this is a thought experiment much older than me 20:15:25 and encoding doesn't seem to be massively important in determining data fed to the brain 20:15:26 Astronaut missionaries! 20:15:32 alise: wut 20:15:38 how the hell did we get on to echolocation 20:15:39 it's not the data that matters. it's the way we perceive it 20:15:42 ais523: You're sort of pukey-greenish-yellow, to be completely honest. 20:15:45 (e.g. if you give someone glasses which turn everything they see upside-down, after a while they'll see normally again 20:15:50 fizzie: dark yellow? 20:15:51 alise: synesthesia and quintopia 20:15:57 just as i perceive alise and Vorpal to be the same color, and yorick and fizzie to be the same color, while you don't 20:16:00 wow, this channel's activity has exploded in the past minute or so <-- correct, I can't keep up 20:16:02 ais523: light yellow. 20:16:14 "pukey-greenish-yellow" "dark yellow?" 20:16:20 dark yellow is a specific color 20:16:20 "that is also an acceptable name!" 20:16:20 ais523: #7d6025. 20:16:25 alise, get fizzie to write something to publish a life-feed of diagrams with short time tendencies 20:16:27 ah, OK 20:16:30 quintopia: I'm red...fizzie is light yellow, vorpal is green and alise is orange 20:16:31 say, updated every minute or so 20:16:32 not quite #808000, but relatively close 20:16:36 and ais523 is also orange. 20:16:40 ais523: damn you! 20:16:44 yorick: take that back! 20:16:50 ais523: stop being orange! 20:17:00 seriously, that's about the worst insult you can aim at anyone 20:17:04 ais523 is orange, i agree 20:17:14 it's a desire for the worst possible thing theoretically possible to happen to them 20:17:19 ais523: hmm...possibly... :/ 20:17:28 ais523: let me rephrase 20:17:47 seriously, that's about the worst insult you can aim at anyone <-- what is? 20:17:50 ais523: damn the inconvenience caused by me percieving your nick and "alise" both as orange 20:17:53 Vorpal: "damn you" 20:17:55 ais523: sorry :) 20:17:56 oh 20:17:56 yorick: that's better 20:18:18 yay I killed the activity! 20:19:20 ais523, I perceive sex-related swearing as far worse than religion-related swearing in Swedish, but the opposite in English. 20:19:20 quintopia: but alise is also orange 20:19:28 ais523, just as a random data point 20:19:41 Vorpal: sex-related is generally worse in English too, but only for certain words 20:19:44 but I don't really understand that 20:19:56 randomly yelling "fuck" or whatever just makes no sense out of context, I can live with that 20:20:02 we dutch people have disease-related swearing 20:20:06 insults which have a meaning can be somewhat worse 20:20:18 ais523, "fuck you" seems a lot less worse than "damn you" in English, waaay the opposite in Swedish 20:20:19 "Fuck!" "Sure." 20:20:33 ais523: just out of curiosity, has anyone ever damned you and then not retracted it? 20:20:35 :) 20:20:37 Vorpal: it's actually the opposite in English too, for most people, but I don't understand it 20:20:56 alise: not that I can remember, most people are relatively considerate when they actually stop to think about what their words mean 20:21:06 :( 20:21:06 ais523, well it is a bit strange that "fuck you" would be less bad than "damn you" indeed. 20:21:22 ais523: I don't say it because I know you don't like it, but personally I have an understanding of the extreme non-literality of swear words... 20:21:36 what use is a word, if it has no meaning? 20:21:41 and goddam you is no worse than damn you 20:21:45 perhaps the god is implied 20:22:15 alise, same. But I do get a bit annoyed when people uses genital parts as swearing. 20:22:23 on the other hand, calling someone Satan is definitely stronger than calling them a dick 20:22:28 coppro: how am I doing for mathNEWS? >_> 20:22:33 Vorpal: Well, that just makes you a dick. 20:22:48 it makes him Satan 20:22:55 Stan 20:22:59 Vorpal: in English, which euphemism you use determines how strong the insult is 20:23:04 that has really moved from the original meaning 20:23:06 ais523, indeed 20:23:07 calling someone a vagina is just confusing, for instance 20:23:10 and "dick" is also a name 20:23:13 which is rather wtf 20:23:16 various euphemisms have various levels of insultingness 20:23:21 Vorpal: Stop dicking about. 20:23:26 dick, if spotted, is also a food stuff 20:23:33 and it isn't really a name nowadays, no sane parent gives it to their children as they'd never get through school without emotional scarring 20:23:43 alise, that is a bit more annoying 20:23:48 yet they continue to name their kids richard 20:23:52 ais523: nobody gets through school without emotional scarring. 20:23:53 and those kids grow up to be dick 20:24:04 alise: yes, but parents try to avoid obvious sources, most of the time 20:24:16 most of the time 20:24:27 but there was that one kid in my middle school named Mike Rapp 20:24:49 what a load of ke Rapp 20:25:06 ais523, hm indeed 20:25:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has joined. 20:25:56 quintopia, family name is harder to "work around" 20:26:11 Vorpal: don't name your kid michael. easy. 20:27:07 quintopia, I wouldn't use an English name anyway 20:27:17 really! 20:27:20 do you think that might be because 20:27:22 YOU'RE SWEDISH 20:27:29 there's probably /someone/ in England named Arvid... 20:27:32 lol 20:27:32 alise, huh 20:27:38 alise, the thought never occurred to me 20:27:41 GASP 20:27:44 alise, you MIGHT HAVE A POINT! 20:27:52 alise, this is breaking news. 20:27:59 -!- impomatic has joined. 20:28:04 Hi :-) 20:28:06 ais523, probably 20:28:08 * yorick waves at PH 20:28:13 PH? 20:28:18 Phantom_Hoover_. 20:28:21 presumably Phantom_Hoover_ 20:28:22 ah 20:28:24 * yorick waves at impomatic 20:28:27 also, I just tried to tab-complete "presumably" 20:28:32 Hey yorick :-) 20:28:34 i do that too 20:28:36 alise: Yeah, but here in AMERICA you can use ANY NAME 20:28:44 every time a word is more than five letters long, i try to tab it 20:28:45 I wondered where my wave was :-P 20:28:47 ais523, hm irc is taking over your brain 20:28:49 who lives in america anyways 20:28:51 Kathq'lyyn 20:28:57 impomatic: slightly delayed by the need to explain PH 20:28:58 Pronounced "John" 20:29:15 alise: I don't think there's even a legal requirement that it be in any known script. 20:29:29 pikhq: KLINGON NAME 20:29:30 ais523, probably ← I never could remember his first name... 20:29:40 Phantom_Hoover_, how is that hard? 20:29:42 I don't think I even know your first name 20:29:45 I know alise's, and mine 20:29:50 I would pronounce Kathq'lynn as kathy-klinn 20:29:52 NOÖNE KNOWS 20:30:01 Phantom_Hoover_, I mean, if it was "Sven-Åke" or some such it might be harder 20:30:02 ais523's first name is Aleæir'hiãé 20:30:08 Pronounced "alex" 20:30:09 hm that one is still easy 20:30:11 I bet no one knows mine 20:30:17 yorick: yorick 20:30:21 alise: shh 20:30:22 yorick: I bet /someone/ knows your name 20:30:25 your parents, for instance 20:30:27 or you yourself 20:30:28 XD 20:30:32 ais523: no one in this channel 20:30:34 Well, irssi betrayed me once and stuck my name in a whois, but NO MORE. 20:30:37 so lets see how this worked up 20:30:37 yorick: you're in this channel 20:30:46 updated gnome while gnome was still running 20:30:54 Vorpal: I'd restart it 20:31:02 hrrm 20:31:11 ais523: I know :P 20:31:14 Yup, Love Symbol #2 was Prince's *actual legal name* for a while. 20:31:24 Pronounced "alex" ← I have at various times thought it to be Alan and Adam. 20:31:42 yorick, I upgraded between old X and modular X.Org from inside an xterm 20:31:44 that was a while ago 20:31:46 worked well 20:31:53 Phantom_Hoover_: It's actually Alan-Aladdin-Adam. 20:31:56 took some time, due to running gentoo back then 20:32:03 Aladdam. 20:32:14 AWESOME NAME 20:32:14 hmm alise is pronounced alan? 20:32:20 "What's your name?" "ALADDAM" 20:32:30 aladdam sounds like saddam 20:32:32 yorick, no it is pronounced "Elliott" 20:32:37 Hmmm... I'm going to see if I can get TclRobots running on Linus 20:32:41 Huh. In the US, if you have *assumed* a name, then it can be considered as your legal name. 20:32:46 Linus EQU Linux 20:32:55 static const unsigned short p9[5] = 20:32:57 { 1, 9, 81, 729, 6561 }; 20:33:02 pikhq, you can change name over here, iirc limited number of times 20:33:08 like, once 20:33:08 yorick, the number of letters is VERY IMPORTANT to him. 20:33:19 pikhq, that is legal name 20:33:20 Phantom_Hoover_: it's an him? :P 20:33:26 cpressey, please... please tell me that's not what I think it is. 20:33:30 family name follows different rules 20:33:31 yorick, he's contrarian. 20:33:36 Phantom_Hoover_: I can tell you that, sure! 20:33:40 I can tell you a lot of things! 20:33:41 I just had a new language idea. It's called "Graue Sucks." Whaddyathink? 20:33:53 Phantom_Hoover_: The sky is filled with plants. 20:33:56 Tell me it honestly. 20:33:58 Phantom_Hoover_: it's an he? 20:34:04 quintopia, implement it immediately. 20:34:14 alise: you're a he? 20:34:14 "it's an he" 20:34:15 yorick, yep. 20:34:16 ooh, that's given /me/ an esolang idea 20:34:18 Phantom_Hoover_, what do you think it is? 20:34:18 Least grammatically correct sentence ever. 20:34:20 yorick: nope 20:34:22 Phantom_Hoover_: Problem: I don't know what you think it is. 20:34:24 Vorpal: We use common law to handle it. If you consider it your name, it is your name. 20:34:28 Maybe! 20:34:31 * yorick is confused 20:34:31 p=.5! 20:34:32 you get a set of people to start writing an interp 20:34:34 pikhq, heh. 20:34:38 p=3+7i! 20:34:41 p=-1! 20:34:45 they aren't aiming anywhere to start with atm, just writing code that looks generically interpy 20:34:46 p = -1 factorial 20:34:48 pikhq, presumably you need to register that or something? 20:34:50 alise: that's a yes? 20:34:58 once it becomes TC, you take whatever you ended up with as the lang in question 20:35:00 Vorpal: Only if you want to make the paperwork less of a pain. 20:35:00 alise: I'll just call you "alice" 20:35:06 pikhq, ah 20:35:18 to me it looks an awful lot like the powers of nine. . .which are very useful for, uh, being cool? 20:35:36 Vorpal: Otherwise, everywhere you need to use your legal name, you'll have to sign something stating that you are the same person as your previous name referred to. 20:36:17 hahah 20:36:34 apparently -1 factorial = 1 20:36:35 pikhq, that is quite a logical system actually. Better than I expected from US 20:36:41 alise, yes and? 20:36:42 yorick: for the last time, my nick is not alice 20:36:52 your nick is zuff 20:36:54 Vorpal: no, -1 factorial != 1, you see. 20:36:59 ais523: *estoppel 20:37:01 alise: I know, but you're saying "maybe" 20:37:07 wait, i thought that was /my/ nick 20:37:10 yorick: i also said a variety of other things 20:37:11 memory fades quickly... 20:37:14 ais523: no :P 20:37:17 alise, different sources? 20:37:19 was indeed you 20:37:20 alise: you also said "nope" 20:37:25 yorick: i also said p=.5 20:37:27 and p=3+7i 20:37:29 Vorpal: It's common law -- most of it is just application of common sense. 20:37:40 alise: which is while I'll call you "alice" 20:37:50 pikhq, what exactly does "common law" mean? 20:38:02 Vorpal: it's a system of laws that's established without a written law 20:38:11 basically, if everyone believes something's illegal, it is 20:38:18 oh 20:38:19 then, it gets refined via court precedent 20:38:30 for ages in the UK, murder wasn't explicitly illegal, it was just a common-law crime 20:38:32 ais523, Sweden doesn't have that system 20:38:48 Vorpal: It's a distinctly British system. 20:38:54 ah 20:38:56 pikhq, and US? 20:39:00 proto: no written laws at all, everything is based on whether a jury finds you guilty or not 20:39:07 (note: this may not be a good legal system to live in) 20:39:33 quintopia: I suppose it is the first five nonnegative powers of nine. It's part of the original Malbolge interpreter. 20:39:38 All but one state of the US uses common law, because our legal systems are largely inspired by England's. 20:39:41 ais523, it is in fact extremely nasty 20:39:51 (Louisiana has civil law, due to being a former French colony) 20:40:17 pikhq, civil law being the "usual" system elsewhere I presume? 20:40:21 Yes. 20:40:30 Vorpal: In all current common law jurisdictions, the legal system is a combination of written laws and court precedents. 20:40:37 mhm 20:40:48 common law is wfun 20:40:52 *fun 20:40:53 The court precedents can override the written law. 20:41:08 i think i like it, except i don't trust judges much :D 20:41:14 (most typically when there's conflict between two laws) 20:41:38 cpressey: and why did you copy it here again? 20:42:28 quintopia: IT WAS EXTREMELY RELEVANT 20:42:32 also, it was in my clipboard 20:42:51 I'm using Windows PowerShell! 20:42:58 irssi in Windows PowerShell. 20:43:11 cpressey: oh lawdee :P 20:43:14 cpressey, which is worst: powershell or malbolge? 20:43:25 I'd say that common law manages to work as well as it *does* simply because it always operates with an appeal system. 20:44:15 (I mean, even waaaaaaaaay back in the history of it all, you could always appeal your decision all the way up to the King) 20:44:36 Vorpal: PowerShell is far more disappointing. But at least I can get 130(?) columns now, instead of 80, and instead of using Pidgin. 20:44:45 powershell is alright 20:44:53 it's more interesting than bash although maybe less useful :) 20:45:17 Probably someone has written an IRC cmdlet for this. If I were truly into Windows-slumming, I'd go look... 20:45:52 you_can_get_more_than_80_in_cmd.exe.....___space_seems_broken_atm... 20:46:27