00:01:16 olsner: "Look at this, Intel. This is how CRAP your processor is. We use it to run PostScript underneath our OS. It is a fucking graphics card! Disgusting." 00:03:14 Hah. 00:03:33 A Display Postscript graphics card. 00:04:05 * Sgeo enters YouTube's HTML5 beta 00:04:11 Sgeo: it sucks 00:04:29 It's either that or keep enduring Flash crashes 00:04:45 Problem is, apparently web browser devs suck at video about as bad as Adobe. 00:05:01 pikhq: No, no; HTML5 video is good. 00:05:04 YouTube manage to fuck it up. 00:05:05 List price for a NeXTdimension sold as an add-on to the NeXTcube was $US 3,995. 00:05:24 alise, howso? 00:06:23 Sgeo: try and see. 00:06:31 abcdefg 00:06:38 s/g// 00:07:16 hijklmnop 00:08:46 Does anyone want my incredibly-hacky NASA Astronomy Picture of the Day automagic background-setter? 00:10:05 Was it written in Falctor? 00:10:22 Bash. 00:10:27 Also cron. 00:10:40 It only works with GNOME. Well, it only works if Nautilus controls the desktop. 00:11:32 -!- TwokNT4GDIpp has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:19:18 WTF? 00:19:23 I INSTALLED FLASHBLOCK, DAMMIT 00:26:09 Sep 24 00:00:28 dinky kernel: [29372.274066] rtl8192_SetWirelessMode(), wireless_mode:10, bEnableHT = 1 00:26:10 hmm 00:26:14 Sgeo: you enabled html5. 00:26:15 html5 is not flash 00:28:30 Believe it or not, I was aware of that 00:28:45 But FlashBlock failed to block something, and when I went to check extensions, it wasn't there 00:33:08 It also comes with a whitelist that enables Youtube. 00:33:11 And nothing else. 00:33:47 DIdn't used to have that on the whitelist 00:33:59 Which was nice when I opened a bunch of YouTube tabs 00:34:03 Back on my ancient comp 00:35:57 I never used to have problems with Flash on Ubuntu :/ 00:43:04 -!- augur has joined. 00:53:22 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:08:00 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:08:22 I should attempt to get SL working 01:11:48 -!- EOF has joined. 01:12:42 yo bitches 01:13:21 * Sgeo feeds everyone chocolate 01:13:25 hì'ti sìȳa nai sè'! 01:13:39 There, all the bitches are dead 01:14:21 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:14:58 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:15:02 lulz 01:15:52 * EOF forces everyone to vomit using a special sound frequency 01:17:51 * Gregor vomits his frame pointer. 01:18:47 * pikhq vomits out EOF's resonant frequency 01:19:24 * EOF laughs out loud 01:19:51 * EOF notices SEGFAULTS!!! NOOOOO!!!! 01:22:11 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:22:46 -!- augur has joined. 01:24:17 air 01:24:41 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:24:51 Ubuntu feels very unstable :( 01:24:53 Sgeo: But did you remember to cool the hot bitches before poisoning them??? 01:24:56 Also, it's not. 01:24:58 Your system just sucks. 01:26:02 Then Ubuntu is unstable on this system. Windows was not. 01:27:06 * Sgeo goes to install XChat 01:28:02 clearly this is a flaw in ubuntu not your computer being shit 01:28:45 -!- Sgeo has quit (Client Quit). 01:29:09 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:30:51 -!- cal153 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:30:55 yo 01:32:17 * alise boggles at Sgeo's paranoia. 01:32:33 ..? 01:32:56 ubuntu is one of the most stable GNU/Linux distros around, but i did find that the maverick meerkat repos have either very stable, or completely non-working software 01:33:06 altho 01:33:26 the lucid repos *should* have some good versions 01:37:08 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:38:10 alise, what paranoia? 01:38:21 Sgeo: agora 01:38:28 Ah, lol 01:46:26 That's the second time SL crashed for no reason 01:47:17 * Sgeo sadly disables visual effects 01:52:06 -!- EOF has quit (Quit: Page closed). 02:03:59 -!- augur has joined. 02:04:02 * Sgeo decides to run SL from a console 02:04:36 -!- cal153 has joined. 02:05:27 * Sgeo is starting to wonder if it's sound-related 02:08:35 -!- dbc has joined. 02:22:13 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:23:37 I'm starting to wonder if it's all Chromium's fault 02:25:25 Everything is chromium's fault. Fekking allergen. 02:25:51 Goodnight. 02:25:51 Bye. 02:25:56 -!- alise has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:29:41 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 02:30:16 -!- lament has joined. 02:40:39 Now it's Firefox crashing like crazy 02:40:45 It occurs to me that I have no swap space 02:51:27 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:13:09 it's funny 03:13:29 on Windows at least (it sounds like maybe you aren't on windows?) you can run down to 0 bytes HD space left and get no warning 03:13:37 just a bunch of bizarre crap starts happening 03:13:46 it doesn't say HAY JACKASS DELETE SOME FILES or anything 03:15:16 Oh, Ubuntu warns me about HD issues 03:15:36 Not memory issues though, which is what I think the problem is 03:15:47 It's just that there is no swap space with LiveUSB I think 03:43:36 * pikhq notes that it would be really silly to have FLACs of all the Final Fantasy soundtracks 03:44:27 For limited-space persons? 03:44:34 Or are FF soundtracks low-quality to start with? 03:45:20 Sgeo: Before FFX, it was all synthesized by the console it was running on. 03:46:40 Which is more portable? FLACs, or software that can generate the music? 03:46:49 FLACs by far. 03:47:36 Indeed. 03:47:40 Though on a desktop system it's not hard to get a synth emulator going; most consoles have their sound systems perfectly emulated, and there's programs to just emulate a music ROM. 03:48:09 Meh, it's probably easier for most people to waste the HD space 03:48:26 I would need the synth stuff 03:49:01 Yeah, but "most people" will just accept MP3s. 03:55:45 Creatures 3 (at least, don't know about older versions) uses procedurally-generated music 03:56:04 Which varies based on mood and threat and something else 04:05:58 I changed some code from using nasty casts to using a union, and even though it's semantically identical, GCC produces much better assembly with the union. 04:07:22 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:07:29 I did this because I was compiling with -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic, and my reinterpreting a word as a float/double evoked the ever-meaningless type-punned pointer error. 04:07:41 -!- augur has joined. 04:07:56 (Since I was type-punning a size_t with a float or double) 04:09:50 Gregor: It's not meaningless. It means you hit undefined behavior, and the compiler has replaced you with a small shell script. 04:11:03 But I still find the RESULT very weird. 04:11:21 I change it for a union, do something semantically identical with that union, and it produces different assembly? 04:11:33 Ah, but it's not semantically identical. 04:11:46 It is on every actual platform :P 04:12:00 Though they are both undefined behavior, and GCC will launch the missiles now. 04:13:55 Aww crap it blew up Hong Kong. 04:21:58 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:27:15 -!- coppro has joined. 04:27:16 -!- coppro has quit (Changing host). 04:27:16 -!- coppro has joined. 04:40:15 yay, I came up with a proof that I believe to be more elegant than the one the prof was helping other students to come to 04:55:39 * pikhq downloads a 33 gig music torrent 04:57:50 * Sgeo jealousies at pikhq 04:58:25 I'm starting to think maybe Knoppix is a good idea. Presumably, with Knoppix, part of the USB would be swap space, and the OS would be started from CD, leaving more USB space for personal files 05:10:13 goddamnit 05:12:41 damn inequalities. Damn them all! 05:15:00 I hate inequalities 05:15:18 they're so great for proving absolutely useless stuff 05:15:29 e.g. that -|a| < 0 05:16:54 also multiplying them is irreversible 05:27:10 coppro, wrong 05:39:58 Sgeo: ? 05:40:07 -!- lament has joined. 05:40:38 coppro, what happens when a=0? 05:41:00 The world comes to an end. 05:42:44 Sgeo: in my example, that can't happen 05:42:57 I fully expect you to know this already 05:46:06 -!- oerjan has joined. 05:47:01 I can't seem to determine whether that's a joke or not 05:47:45 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:47:46 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Changing host). 05:47:46 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:48:04 Sgeo: it's a joke 05:48:08 I'm just tired and annoyed 05:48:45 because I'm really dumb or something 06:32:35 -!- augur has joined. 06:44:12 apparently my party is bemused 06:49:27 Alright, does this look good for now? 06:49:29 http://64.vg/uvM 07:04:20 -!- tombom has joined. 07:14:41 -!- iGO has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:16:08 wow, my parliament is getting worse and worse as time goes on 07:16:22 A minister said 'What I do find shocking though is that the Liberal Party and its coalition partners so willingly are sanctioning the idea that we could sanction Canadians with jail time or with fines to pursue what they think is right.' and wasn't trounced on 07:16:26 I'd be all over that in a heartbeat 07:16:40 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:16:41 brilliant thing to build a strawman from 07:18:07 i vaguely recall sanctioning is its own antynom, which makes that a bit hard to interpret 07:18:13 *antonym 07:19:38 that is, it can mean both approve and punish 07:20:07 hm i guess it's obvious which is which up there 07:21:28 wareya: warrigal? 07:21:36 augur: What? 07:21:41 guess not! 07:21:45 lol 07:22:05 of course not, warrigal is tswett. that's obvious, sheesh 07:22:39 -!- Sgeo has joined. 07:22:41 (and isn't here much any longer) 07:23:04 bastard got a life or something 07:33:28 -!- Wamanuz2 has joined. 07:35:21 -!- lament has left (?). 07:37:06 -!- Wamanuz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:47:28 -!- myndzi\ has joined. 07:50:04 -!- tombom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:51:43 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:08:21 -!- myndzi has joined. 08:08:49 -!- comex has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:09:38 -!- iamcal has joined. 08:09:46 -!- comex has joined. 08:10:06 -!- Quadrescence has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 08:10:25 -!- cal153 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 08:11:42 -!- sftp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:11:55 -!- myndzi\ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:14:01 -!- iamcal has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:15:46 -!- cal153 has joined. 08:16:02 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:20:56 -!- Quadrescence has joined. 08:29:31 -!- Leonidas has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 08:29:37 -!- Leonidas has joined. 08:50:42 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 08:51:28 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:52:02 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:55:59 -!- atrapado has joined. 10:05:33 -!- nullkuhl has joined. 10:05:43 any brainfuck coders around ? 10:08:40 Brainfuck dabblers, perhaps. 10:11:46 am trying to parse an input, to print it in reverse, and input ends with a character of asci value = 10 and i should skip that character and itshould be where my code terminates 10:13:31 fizzie: do you have any approach in head ? 10:15:04 Well; for the reversing, the easiest is just to read on tape one way, then print it all out in the other order afterwards. As for the termination, flags could be useful. I'll dabble for a moment. 10:17:40 fizzie: also EOF is -1 10:30:24 ^bf +[,[->+>+<<]>[-<+>]>--------------------------------[<+>[-]]<]<<[.<]!foobar baz 10:30:24 raboof 10:30:29 Well, that inverts up to a space. 10:30:43 It doesn't handle EOF properly, though. 10:31:07 and space is removed as well 10:32:33 It basically loops a while(p[0]) { p[0] = input; p[2] = p[0]; p[2] -= 32; if (p[2]) p[1] = 1; p++; } and then after that ends does p -= 2; while (p[0]) { putchar(p[0]); p--; } 10:35:56 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 10:37:51 fizzie: there is no such thing as a C to brainfuck convertor yeah ? 10:38:22 I think there's approximately two, but neither might be very complete. 10:38:38 One of them is a GCC backend, the other was a more stand-alone thing. 10:38:57 link to any ? 10:40:05 Uh.. http://codu.org/projects/trac/gcc_bf/browser seems to be about the gcc-bf project, but it might be non-trivial to build. ais523 wrote it, unless I misremember; he'd know more about how well it works, but doesn't seem to be here at the moment. 10:41:03 There's also the bfcomp thing, which doesn't exactly compile C to brainfuck, but a C-like higher-level language: http://www.clifford.at/bfcpu/bfcomp.html 10:42:04 i was trying to find a bf tracer or a debugger that shows the memory array or so 10:42:52 I've used http://www.iamcal.com/misc/bf_debug/ for quick in-browser tests. 10:43:06 It's not too featureful, but can single-step and does breakpoints. 10:43:39 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#External_resources contains a metric bazillion of links to brainfuck-related stuff, too. 10:44:49 Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_i860 <-- hm what about it? I know about it since before. 10:45:38 esotope in particular is nice; here's what it outputs if I give it that "reverse string up to a space" thing: http://p.zem.fi/esotope-out.c 10:47:07 fizzie: ok i made it: ,----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[.<] this reverse input till a new line character is met 10:47:24 fizzie: its quite long though :) 10:48:45 olsner, alise: "ATM machine HURRR and whenever anyone says 'radar ranging' I'm ON their ass" <-- an amusing such case in Swedish is that a CD is quite often called "CD-skiva"... "skiva" translates to "disc" in this context... 10:49:54 same goes for "DVD-skiva", but I think (based on personal experience) that it is getting more uncommon nowdays than when CDs and DVDs were new technology... 10:50:19 Vorpal: It's "CD-levy" ("CD disc") in Finnish too. (For some reason, I don't think I've really heard anyone speak of "CD discs" in English, but I do have heard "DVD discs". Though most of course go just "DVDs".) 10:50:51 fizzie: can you make it shorter? 10:51:30 fizzie, hm that http://p.zem.fi/esotope-out.c is somewhat suboptimal. Trying to think of what kind of analysis would find that p[1] += p[0]; could be turned into p[1] = p[0]; 10:51:38 probably some sort of flow control analysis 10:52:14 that looks at loop entry conditions as well as loop exit conditions 10:52:36 or wait, did I misanalyse it? 10:52:49 yep, missed that it wasn't balanced 10:53:13 Vorpal: It should still be safe, because of the p[2] = 0 before ++p. But it might not be so easy for it to grok. 10:53:39 very true 10:54:19 fizzie, adding a [-] at the beginning of the loop would probably help 10:54:42 now, bbl 11:06:30 hi 11:11:30 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:11:47 fizzie: could this be shorter ,----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[.<] ? 11:12:01 nullkuhl: +[,[-<+>>+<]>----------]<<<[.<] 11:13:12 fizzie: ugh, someone did it in 14 chars :( 11:13:25 am golfing with some friends actually 11:14:20 14 chars is barely enough to have the constant 10 in there, so it sounds a bit cheaty. What sort of test cases you have for it? 11:15:01 you dont have to have a 10 constant , may be you can just ignore the last char 11:15:26 Oh, okay, in that case it sounds more sensible. 11:16:05 ugh 11:16:12 anyone do java here? 11:16:36 Something like ,-[+>,-]<<[.<] might work for EOF=-1 and ignore-last-char-before-EOF. 11:16:47 Haven't tested that, don't have a EOF -1 interp handy here. 11:17:52 ais does Java, but I guess you meant "here right now at this very moment". 11:18:17 Uh, I mean ,+[->,+]<<[.<] of course. 11:19:42 fungot has EOF=0, so in his case: 11:19:42 fizzie: in the middle ages, sir slush!... i grow so tired. we can talk. we no can call you " knight cyrus fell while protecting our kingdom from magus. i'd stay away! wait! maybe you'd know!!... smell of all the human race is doomed! mwa, ha! say, do you like plants? 11:19:43 ^bf ,[>,]<<[.<]!abcd 11:19:43 cba 11:21:49 In case ,+[->,+]<<[.<] works, that's 14 chars; in that case I think +[->,+]<<[.<] should work too, and be only 13 chars. 11:29:17 (I've been seen doing some Java too, but those are just unsubstantiated rumours...) 11:37:42 fizzie: ,+[->,+]<<[.<] that crashes :( 11:37:47 probably EOF problem 11:38:00 but wait 11:38:04 +[->,+]<<[.<] this works 11:38:56 That's funny, it should do pretty much the same thing. 11:39:51 The latter doesn't try to go past the left end of the tape, though, so if your tape isn't wrapping, that might explain why it crashes. 11:40:05 i think [->,+]<<[.<] should work too 11:40:28 [->,+]<<[.<] will always skip the first [...] completely, assuming the tape is initialized to zero. 11:40:34 yeah 11:40:41 well thats 13 chars 11:40:43 some one just did 12 11:40:55 i wonder where is the catch 11:41:56 +[->,+]<[<.] then? 11:42:24 It would print out an extra \0, but maybe that gets ignored somehow. 11:42:33 nah its not ignore :( 11:43:13 +[->,+] i think this is the part to be changed to 1 char less 11:44:06 -!- trinithis has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:49:17 -!- myndzi\ has joined. 11:51:04 fizzie: shouldnt this work : +[->,+]<[<.] ? 11:52:37 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:53:14 Anything with [<.] at the end will (out of necessity) print out a 0 byte at the end, because the [<.] loop only terminates if . has printed out a nul. 11:54:09 oh yes 11:56:07 -!- trinithis has joined. 11:58:34 [>,+] ok this should keep taking input till EOF (-1) is gotten, then <[<.] should print it reversed and terminate at first value in tape which is zero 11:58:54 fizzie: [>,+]<[<.] in theory should work 12:00:32 I don't see how, it'd at the very least end up printing all bytes with +1 applied. 12:00:40 [>,+]<[<-.] 12:00:52 how about that 12:01:14 That will again never enter the [>,+] loop if the tape starts at zero. And [<-.] again terminates only after actually printing the zero. 12:01:24 Why don't you try these out instead of asking, though?-) 12:02:12 i was just trying to discuss it , to understand it more 12:03:36 Interpreters are more reliable than people, though. 12:08:57 fizzie: ok one more thing, if EOF is -1 , why does this crash ,+[-.,+] 12:09:12 -!- Slereah_ has changed nick to Slereah. 12:10:01 That I don't know; it should be pretty much a straight-forward "cat". 12:20:21 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:49:32 -!- nullkuhl has left (?). 12:55:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:56:46 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 13:17:15 -!- atrapado has quit (Quit: Abandonando). 13:18:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:19:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:23:44 -!- nooga has joined. 13:34:11 nooga! 13:34:22 Is that how "nougat" should be pronounced? 13:34:38 This question commands my interest! 13:34:58 well 13:35:01 i don't know 13:35:18 i pronounce 'nooga' it like 'noga' 13:35:27 noga means leg in polish 13:40:12 In the UK "nougat" is indeed pronounced that way. 13:40:36 Although it's a long 'a'. 13:48:12 i' sweet 13:48:16 i'm* 13:51:05 ;f 13:52:11 -!- FireFly has joined. 14:10:33 -!- ais523_ has joined. 14:12:36 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:13:12 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:18:07 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 14:20:58 -!- nullkuhl has joined. 14:21:14 fizzie: is it possible to do multiplication using brainfuck ? 14:21:40 Yes, it is. 14:22:11 Sure, why not? Just add a to b, c times, to get b = a*c. 14:22:14 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:22:39 It might be a bit trickier with multi-cell numbers if you need more than a byte. 14:22:44 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:22:46 ^pow2 14:22:46 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 32768 65536 131072 262144 524288 1048576 2097152 4194304 8388608 16777216 33554432 67108864 134217728 268435456 536870912 1073741824 2147483648 42949672 ... 14:23:06 That does bignum multiplication by a constant 2, but it's very silly. 14:23:26 ^show pow2 14:23:27 +2[[<+7[-<+7>]>[-<+<+>>]<[->+<]<-2.[-]<]+4[->+8<]>.[-]>>[-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>-8>+>[->+>+<2]+>>[<2->>[-]]<2[>+<-]>[-<+>]<4-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>+2<[-]]]]]]]]]]<[->+<]>+>[-<+>]>>]<3] 14:24:31 well it should take 2 numbers separated by a new line 14:24:34 and multiply them together 14:24:46 the output will be less than 10000 14:27:00 homework O_O? 14:27:50 Hrm. If you're golfing this, it may even make sense to just do decimal multiplication, the routines I've seen to convert from decimal and back have been a bit unwieldy. 14:28:29 fizzie: is there such routines already ? 14:29:47 Sure; at least in example programs around the interwebs, and presumably also in those higher-level languages. 14:31:51 http://mazonka.com/brainf/ has some that seem familiar to me. 14:32:00 ^ord A 14:32:00 65 14:32:05 That probably uses one of them. 14:32:06 ^show ord 14:32:07 >>,[[-<+2>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[<[-]+>->+<[<-]]]]]]]]]]>]<2[>+6[<+8>-]<-.[-]<]+32.[-]>>,] 14:38:29 :F 14:42:27 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 14:52:35 -!- Wamanuz2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:53:33 -!- Wamanuz2 has joined. 14:54:48 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:55:18 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:56:39 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:58:03 am trying to parse an input, to print it in reverse, and input ends with a character of asci value = 10 and i should skip that character and itshould be where my code terminates 14:58:24 i am pretty sure one of the bots has a command for that. 14:58:31 unless it was _old_ EgoBot 14:58:41 !show rev 14:58:43 That is not a user interpreter! 14:58:56 !userinterps 14:58:57 Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg 14:59:04 !show reverse 14:59:04 bf ,----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[.[-]<] 14:59:11 yeah that's the one 14:59:27 ^show rev 14:59:28 >,[>,]<[.<] 14:59:42 fungot uses ascii 0 to terminate instead 14:59:42 oerjan: the usual...test them. you can entertain us for awhile? use the skyway to save miss you. but i like it that you survived? marle lucca 14:59:43 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:00:07 * oerjan may have written one or both of those 15:00:41 -!- SimonRC has joined. 15:01:29 oerjan: thanks i did it already 12 characters :) 15:01:54 wait 12 characters including the ascii 10? 15:02:21 yes 15:02:32 +[->,+]<[.<] 15:02:45 !show sadbf 15:02:46 sadol :M$0 :d:i,45000@>i-01(2]M0:i-i1:S$0:C;3:l#C-01:p:m0@:m%+m1d?=#Cp"1<:m?<-m10-s1-m1?=#Cp"1.!'2#Mm?=#Cp"1,:#Mm'1;0?=#Cp"1[]S-p1?=#Cp"1]?=#Mm00:p[S0:p+p1 15:02:48 ah 15:02:56 nullkuhl: um no that definitely uses ascii 0 termination 15:03:03 nop :) 15:03:05 try it urself 15:03:26 * nullkuhl opps 15:03:27 wrong paste 15:03:30 today i thought about a graphical esolang based on curves 15:03:57 oerjan: +[,[-<+>>+<]>----------]<<<[.<] 15:04:08 I was thinking about a New Age esolang. 15:04:08 that go through some specific points and fork etc. 15:04:11 yeah that's a bit more believable :D 15:04:56 Wherein the words "holistic" and "vibration" are fundamental concepts. 15:05:07 oerjan: do you know how to multiply 2 numbers together separated by asci 10 15:05:14 hm that [-] in EgoBot's version seems redundant to me. maybe it's taken from one that could be repeated for several lines 15:05:57 oerjan: Maybe it's written by an obsessively tidy person. 15:05:59 nullkuhl: in decimal? that's a bit more awkward. 15:06:42 nothing impossible, of course 15:09:13 the printing out again may be the most awkward bit, since it needs to convert back to decimal 15:10:14 oerjan: You could do the whole math in decimal; or at least in base-10 digit-per-cell format. The task needs multi-cell numbers anyway. 15:10:48 um i was imagining ignoring overflow here :D 15:11:57 -!- augur has joined. 15:12:10 the divmod algorithm from http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms#Divmod_algorithm may be a useful building block in any case 15:12:26 I was thinking that objects have some kind of waveform associated, which interacts with all of the other objects. Or something. 15:13:35 nullkuhl: mind you i'm too lazy to actually write this ;D 15:15:10 Phantom_Hoover: the problem with such complicated ideas is that they have to be converted to a simpler form 15:15:27 and this form would be probably some kind of pretty basic, boring esolang 15:16:57 :( 15:20:49 Well, we can solve that easily enough. 15:20:57 NO SIMPLIFICATION ALLOWED 15:24:15 no simplification <=> use actual quantum field theory, with your objects being made out of particles 15:25:04 * oerjan points out in advance that he doesn't actually know quantum field theory 15:26:11 Nor I. 15:26:33 And using *actual* quantum field theory makes it less New Agey. 15:26:43 i guess :D 15:34:11 Let's invent some! 15:37:05 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:39:10 oerjan: what is the bot policy for #esoteric? 15:39:33 don't spam? 15:39:47 that's a good policy 15:40:25 it's of course frequently broken :D 15:40:59 so anyone may bring in a bot as long as it isn't annoying-as-shit? 15:41:02 yeah 15:42:25 anything implementing/implemented in esolangs is of course positively encouraged 15:42:47 well yes 15:43:06 but egobot pretty much already implements all the 1D esolangs right? 15:43:24 i'm not sure it implements _all_... 15:43:28 `help 15:43:35 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 15:43:35 No, wait. 15:43:39 That's HE. 15:43:45 it even has some 2d ones, i think. it can run from web pages after all 15:43:45 !help userinterps 15:43:46 userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. 15:44:05 !userinterps 15:44:05 Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg 15:44:18 !pi 20 15:44:20 !help languages 15:44:21 languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. 15:44:23 3.14159265358979323844 15:44:55 so, wait, i could tack my own interpreters onto egobot's list? 15:44:57 !sffffffffedeesh Hello, world! 15:44:57 Hellu, vurld! Bork Bork Bork! 15:44:58 quintopia: EgoBot distinguishes between languages and user interpreters, with the latter being implemented by anyone in the former. 15:45:32 !show pi 15:45:33 sh read p; if [ "x$p" = "x" ]; then p=5; fi; echo "scale=$p; a(1)*4;" | BC_LINE_LENGTH=490 bc -l | tr -d '\\' 15:45:38 Gregor has at times planned to make that recursive but hasn't found a good design for doing so 15:45:40 oerjan: can anyone add a new language? 15:45:54 Not AFAIK. 15:46:25 But you can always just use sh and some quoting. 15:46:39 good point 15:46:48 quintopia: that requires modifying the EgoBot repository, afaik. but i'm sure Gregor accepts reasonable patches. 15:47:00 i'm p terrible at sh, but neato 15:47:20 As you can see, that's how I got bc for the pi thing. 15:47:25 crap i should have left a long time ago 15:47:29 however HackEgo is the one intended for being near completely user modifiable. for some reason we haven't added esolangs to it though. 15:47:43 ha 15:47:49 oerjan: Because I'm too lazy to get the ball rolling on that process. 15:47:56 `run bash -c 'echo USE MEEEEEEE' 15:47:59 USE MEEEEEEE 15:48:33 how would one go about making a usermod bot that can't be broken by anyone? seems like you have to limit mods to sandboxed things that can be killed when they misbehave 15:48:41 or you can trust people and shoot them if they fuck it up 15:48:50 CAN'T be broken, or CAN be fixed? 15:49:01 same difference 15:49:06 HackEgo's userland is stored in a Mercurial repository, and any changes can be reverted by anyway. 15:49:07 *anyone 15:49:10 `help 15:49:11 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 15:49:43 oh, right, the repository is external to the bot making it editable even when the bot is down 15:49:51 but can anyone reboot the bot if down? 15:49:54 I thought HackEgo had the clever replacement libc thing? 15:50:13 quintopia: Feel free to try taking down the bot, you won't succeed :P 15:50:19 Phantom_Hoover: Yes, not mine. 15:50:24 `shutdown 15:50:26 No output. 15:50:37 Phantom_Hoover: Feel free to try something at least BORDERLINE clever X_X 15:50:41 `shutdown 3 15:50:43 No output. 15:50:48 NEVER 15:50:56 I shall only try entirely stupid things! 15:51:03 `ls / 15:51:05 bin \ dev \ etc \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ tmp \ usr 15:51:13 `ls /lib 15:51:14 cpp \ firmware \ init \ ld-2.11.2.so \ ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 \ libBrokenLocale-2.11.2.so \ libBrokenLocale.so.1 \ libSegFault.so \ libacl.so.1 \ libacl.so.1.1.0 \ libanl-2.11.2.so \ libanl.so.1 \ libattr.so.1 \ libattr.so.1.1.0 \ libblkid.so.1 \ libblkid.so.1.1.0 \ libbsd.so.0 \ libbsd.so.0.2.0 \ libbz2.so.1 \ libbz2.so.1.0 15:51:22 the sensible thing to do would be to find out what sandboxing system it uses, then google for exploits in it 15:51:24 quintopia: actually HackEgo as an ugly history of frequently locking up so Gregor had to restart it, but this is completely unrelated to anyone trying to hack it. also i think he managed to finally fix that. 15:51:35 oerjan: I fixed that, yes :P 15:51:44 `touch /lib/libld-2.11.2.so 15:51:45 No output. 15:51:51 `touch /lib/libld-2.11.2.so 2>&1 15:51:52 No output. 15:51:54 gregor: wouldn't editing the repo to include a piece of code that runs a tight infinite loop and triggering it accomplish something like that? 15:52:06 You mean like 15:52:11 It has a strict termination thing IIRC. 15:52:13 `run while true; do echo; done 15:52:13 `run while true; do done; 15:52:16 No output. 15:52:22 \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ 15:52:25 heh, we wrote almost the same program 15:52:32 my infinite loop's tighter than Gregor's 15:52:32 ais523: Except mine worked :P 15:52:36 but it ended pretty quickly 15:52:44 `run while true; do true; done 15:52:47 ais523: That's because it was not correct code :P 15:52:51