< 1285286476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "Look at this, Intel. This is how CRAP your processor is. We use it to run PostScript underneath our OS. It is a fucking graphics card! Disgusting." < 1285286594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1285286613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Display Postscript graphics card. < 1285286645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enters YouTube's HTML5 beta < 1285286651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it sucks < 1285286669 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either that or keep enduring Flash crashes < 1285286685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is, apparently web browser devs suck at video about as bad as Adobe. < 1285286701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, no; HTML5 video is good. < 1285286704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube manage to fuck it up. < 1285286705 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :List price for a NeXTdimension sold as an add-on to the NeXTcube was $US 3,995. < 1285286724 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, howso? < 1285286783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: try and see. < 1285286791 0 :TwokNT4GDIpp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdefg < 1285286798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/g// < 1285286836 0 :TwokNT4GDIpp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hijklmnop < 1285286926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone want my incredibly-hacky NASA Astronomy Picture of the Day automagic background-setter? < 1285287005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it written in Falctor? < 1285287022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash. < 1285287027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also cron. < 1285287040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only works with GNOME. Well, it only works if Nautilus controls the desktop. < 1285287092 0 :TwokNT4GDIpp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285287558 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1285287563 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I INSTALLED FLASHBLOCK, DAMMIT < 1285287969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sep 24 00:00:28 dinky kernel: [29372.274066] rtl8192_SetWirelessMode(), wireless_mode:10, bEnableHT = 1 < 1285287970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1285287974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you enabled html5. < 1285287975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :html5 is not flash < 1285288110 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe it or not, I was aware of that < 1285288125 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But FlashBlock failed to block something, and when I went to check extensions, it wasn't there < 1285288388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also comes with a whitelist that enables Youtube. < 1285288391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nothing else. < 1285288427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIdn't used to have that on the whitelist < 1285288439 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was nice when I opened a bunch of YouTube tabs < 1285288443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back on my ancient comp < 1285288557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used to have problems with Flash on Ubuntu :/ < 1285288984 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285289602 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285290480 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285290502 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should attempt to get SL working < 1285290708 0 :EOF!461b03ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.27.3.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285290762 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo bitches < 1285290801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feeds everyone chocolate < 1285290805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hì'ti sìȳa nai sè'! < 1285290819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, all the bitches are dead < 1285290861 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285290898 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285290902 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1285290952 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forces everyone to vomit using a special sound frequency < 1285291071 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vomits his frame pointer. < 1285291127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vomits out EOF's resonant frequency < 1285291164 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs out loud < 1285291191 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notices SEGFAULTS!!! NOOOOO!!!! < 1285291331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285291366 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285291457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :air < 1285291481 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285291491 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu feels very unstable :( < 1285291493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But did you remember to cool the hot bitches before poisoning them??? < 1285291496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not. < 1285291498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your system just sucks. < 1285291562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Ubuntu is unstable on this system. Windows was not. < 1285291626 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to install XChat < 1285291682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this is a flaw in ubuntu not your computer being shit < 1285291725 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285291749 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285291851 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285291855 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1285291937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boggles at Sgeo's paranoia. < 1285291953 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1285291976 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu is one of the most stable GNU/Linux distros around, but i did find that the maverick meerkat repos have either very stable, or completely non-working software < 1285291986 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altho < 1285292006 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lucid repos *should* have some good versions < 1285292228 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285292290 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what paranoia? < 1285292301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: agora < 1285292308 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, lol < 1285292786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the second time SL crashed for no reason < 1285292837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sadly disables visual effects < 1285293126 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1285293839 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285293842 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to run SL from a console < 1285293876 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285293927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to wonder if it's sound-related < 1285294115 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285294933 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285295017 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to wonder if it's all Chromium's fault < 1285295125 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is chromium's fault. Fekking allergen. < 1285295151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1285295151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1285295156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285295381 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285295416 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285296039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's Firefox crashing like crazy < 1285296045 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I have no swap space < 1285296687 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285297989 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny < 1285298009 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Windows at least (it sounds like maybe you aren't on windows?) you can run down to 0 bytes HD space left and get no warning < 1285298017 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bunch of bizarre crap starts happening < 1285298026 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say HAY JACKASS DELETE SOME FILES or anything < 1285298116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Ubuntu warns me about HD issues < 1285298136 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not memory issues though, which is what I think the problem is < 1285298147 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that there is no swap space with LiveUSB I think < 1285299816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that it would be really silly to have FLACs of all the Final Fantasy soundtracks < 1285299867 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For limited-space persons? < 1285299874 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are FF soundtracks low-quality to start with? < 1285299920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Before FFX, it was all synthesized by the console it was running on. < 1285300000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more portable? FLACs, or software that can generate the music? < 1285300009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLACs by far. < 1285300056 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1285300060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though on a desktop system it's not hard to get a synth emulator going; most consoles have their sound systems perfectly emulated, and there's programs to just emulate a music ROM. < 1285300089 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, it's probably easier for most people to waste the HD space < 1285300106 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need the synth stuff < 1285300141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but "most people" will just accept MP3s. < 1285300545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creatures 3 (at least, don't know about older versions) uses procedurally-generated music < 1285300564 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which varies based on mood and threat and something else < 1285301158 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed some code from using nasty casts to using a union, and even though it's semantically identical, GCC produces much better assembly with the union. < 1285301242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285301249 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did this because I was compiling with -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic, and my reinterpreting a word as a float/double evoked the ever-meaningless type-punned pointer error. < 1285301261 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285301276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since I was type-punning a size_t with a float or double) < 1285301390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's not meaningless. It means you hit undefined behavior, and the compiler has replaced you with a small shell script. < 1285301463 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still find the RESULT very weird. < 1285301481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I change it for a union, do something semantically identical with that union, and it produces different assembly? < 1285301493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but it's not semantically identical. < 1285301506 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is on every actual platform :P < 1285301520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they are both undefined behavior, and GCC will launch the missiles now. < 1285301635 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww crap it blew up Hong Kong. < 1285302118 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285302435 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1285302436 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285302436 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt JOIN :#esoteric < 1285303215 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I came up with a proof that I believe to be more elegant than the one the prof was helping other students to come to < 1285304139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads a 33 gig music torrent < 1285304270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION jealousies at pikhq < 1285304305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think maybe Knoppix is a good idea. Presumably, with Knoppix, part of the USB would be swap space, and the OS would be started from CD, leaving more USB space for personal files < 1285305013 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamnit < 1285305161 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn inequalities. Damn them all! < 1285305300 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate inequalities < 1285305318 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so great for proving absolutely useless stuff < 1285305329 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. that -|a| < 0 < 1285305414 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also multiplying them is irreversible < 1285306030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, wrong < 1285306798 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1285306807 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285306838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what happens when a=0? < 1285306860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world comes to an end. < 1285306964 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: in my example, that can't happen < 1285306977 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fully expect you to know this already < 1285307166 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285307221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to determine whether that's a joke or not < 1285307265 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-165-42.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285307266 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285307266 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285307284 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's a joke < 1285307288 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just tired and annoyed < 1285307325 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm really dumb or something < 1285309955 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285310652 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my party is bemused < 1285310967 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, does this look good for now? < 1285310969 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://64.vg/uvM < 1285311860 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285312481 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285312568 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, my parliament is getting worse and worse as time goes on < 1285312582 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A minister said 'What I do find shocking though is that the Liberal Party and its coalition partners so willingly are sanctioning the idea that we could sanction Canadians with jail time or with fines to pursue what they think is right.' and wasn't trounced on < 1285312586 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be all over that in a heartbeat < 1285312600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285312601 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant thing to build a strawman from < 1285312687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall sanctioning is its own antynom, which makes that a bit hard to interpret < 1285312693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*antonym < 1285312778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, it can mean both approve and punish < 1285312807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess it's obvious which is which up there < 1285312888 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: warrigal? < 1285312896 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: What? < 1285312901 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not! < 1285312905 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1285312925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, warrigal is tswett. that's obvious, sheesh < 1285312959 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285312961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and isn't here much any longer) < 1285312984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastard got a life or something < 1285313608 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285313721 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285313826 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285314448 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285314604 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285314703 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285315199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1285315200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1285315701 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285315729 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285315778 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285315786 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285315806 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285315825 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285315902 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285315915 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285316041 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285316146 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285316162 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285316456 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1285316971 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1285316977 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1285318242 0 :Slereah_!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-3-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285318288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1285318322 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285318559 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285322733 0 :nullkuhl!~nullkuhl@196.221.13.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285322743 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any brainfuck coders around ? < 1285322920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck dabblers, perhaps. < 1285323106 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am trying to parse an input, to print it in reverse, and input ends with a character of asci value = 10 and i should skip that character and itshould be where my code terminates < 1285323211 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have any approach in head ? < 1285323304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well; for the reversing, the easiest is just to read on tape one way, then print it all out in the other order afterwards. As for the termination, flags could be useful. I'll dabble for a moment. < 1285323460 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also EOF is -1 < 1285324224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,[->+>+<<]>[-<+>]>--------------------------------[<+>[-]]<]<<[.<]!foobar baz < 1285324224 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raboof < 1285324229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that inverts up to a space. < 1285324243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't handle EOF properly, though. < 1285324267 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and space is removed as well < 1285324353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It basically loops a while(p[0]) { p[0] = input; p[2] = p[0]; p[2] -= 32; if (p[2]) p[1] = 1; p++; } and then after that ends does p -= 2; while (p[0]) { putchar(p[0]); p--; } < 1285324556 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285324671 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is no such thing as a C to brainfuck convertor yeah ? < 1285324702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's approximately two, but neither might be very complete. < 1285324718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is a GCC backend, the other was a more stand-alone thing. < 1285324737 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to any ? < 1285324805 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. http://codu.org/projects/trac/gcc_bf/browser seems to be about the gcc-bf project, but it might be non-trivial to build. ais523 wrote it, unless I misremember; he'd know more about how well it works, but doesn't seem to be here at the moment. < 1285324863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the bfcomp thing, which doesn't exactly compile C to brainfuck, but a C-like higher-level language: http://www.clifford.at/bfcpu/bfcomp.html < 1285324924 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to find a bf tracer or a debugger that shows the memory array or so < 1285324972 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used http://www.iamcal.com/misc/bf_debug/ for quick in-browser tests. < 1285324986 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too featureful, but can single-step and does breakpoints. < 1285325019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#External_resources contains a metric bazillion of links to brainfuck-related stuff, too. < 1285325089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_i860 <-- hm what about it? I know about it since before. < 1285325138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotope in particular is nice; here's what it outputs if I give it that "reverse string up to a space" thing: http://p.zem.fi/esotope-out.c < 1285325227 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok i made it: ,----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[.<] this reverse input till a new line character is met < 1285325244 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: its quite long though :) < 1285325325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, alise: "ATM machine HURRR and whenever anyone says 'radar ranging' I'm ON their ass" <-- an amusing such case in Swedish is that a CD is quite often called "CD-skiva"... "skiva" translates to "disc" in this context... < 1285325394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same goes for "DVD-skiva", but I think (based on personal experience) that it is getting more uncommon nowdays than when CDs and DVDs were new technology... < 1285325419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's "CD-levy" ("CD disc") in Finnish too. (For some reason, I don't think I've really heard anyone speak of "CD discs" in English, but I do have heard "DVD discs". Though most of course go just "DVDs".) < 1285325451 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you make it shorter? < 1285325490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm that http://p.zem.fi/esotope-out.c is somewhat suboptimal. Trying to think of what kind of analysis would find that p[1] += p[0]; could be turned into p[1] = p[0]; < 1285325498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some sort of flow control analysis < 1285325534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks at loop entry conditions as well as loop exit conditions < 1285325556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, did I misanalyse it? < 1285325569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, missed that it wasn't balanced < 1285325593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It should still be safe, because of the p[2] = 0 before ++p. But it might not be so easy for it to grok. < 1285325619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true < 1285325659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, adding a [-] at the beginning of the loop would probably help < 1285325682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, bbl < 1285326390 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1285326690 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285326707 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: could this be shorter ,----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[.<] ? < 1285326721 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nullkuhl: +[,[-<+>>+<]>----------]<<<[.<] < 1285326792 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ugh, someone did it in 14 chars :( < 1285326805 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am golfing with some friends actually < 1285326860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 chars is barely enough to have the constant 10 in there, so it sounds a bit cheaty. What sort of test cases you have for it? < 1285326901 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont have to have a 10 constant , may be you can just ignore the last char < 1285326926 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay, in that case it sounds more sensible. < 1285326965 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1285326972 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone do java here? < 1285326996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like ,-[+>,-]<<[.<] might work for EOF=-1 and ignore-last-char-before-EOF. < 1285327007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't tested that, don't have a EOF -1 interp handy here. < 1285327072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais does Java, but I guess you meant "here right now at this very moment". < 1285327097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I mean ,+[->,+]<<[.<] of course. < 1285327182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has EOF=0, so in his case: < 1285327182 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the middle ages, sir slush!... i grow so tired. we can talk. we no can call you " knight cyrus fell while protecting our kingdom from magus. i'd stay away! wait! maybe you'd know!!... smell of all the human race is doomed! mwa, ha! say, do you like plants? < 1285327183 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<<[.<]!abcd < 1285327183 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cba < 1285327309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case ,+[->,+]<<[.<] works, that's 14 chars; in that case I think +[->,+]<<[.<] should work too, and be only 13 chars. < 1285327757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been seen doing some Java too, but those are just unsubstantiated rumours...) < 1285328262 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ,+[->,+]<<[.<] that crashes :( < 1285328267 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably EOF problem < 1285328280 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait < 1285328284 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +[->,+]<<[.<] this works < 1285328336 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, it should do pretty much the same thing. < 1285328391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter doesn't try to go past the left end of the tape, though, so if your tape isn't wrapping, that might explain why it crashes. < 1285328405 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think [->,+]<<[.<] should work too < 1285328428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[->,+]<<[.<] will always skip the first [...] completely, assuming the tape is initialized to zero. < 1285328434 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285328441 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats 13 chars < 1285328443 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some one just did 12 < 1285328455 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder where is the catch < 1285328516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[->,+]<[<.] then? < 1285328544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would print out an extra \0, but maybe that gets ignored somehow. < 1285328553 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah its not ignore :( < 1285328593 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[->,+] i think this is the part to be changed to 1 char less < 1285328646 0 :trinithis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285328957 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285329064 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shouldnt this work : +[->,+]<[<.] ? < 1285329157 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285329194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything with [<.] at the end will (out of necessity) print out a 0 byte at the end, because the [<.] loop only terminates if . has printed out a nul. < 1285329249 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1285329367 0 :trinithis!~trinithis@99-7-56-119.lightspeed.davlca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285329514 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>,+] ok this should keep taking input till EOF (-1) is gotten, then <[<.] should print it reversed and terminate at first value in tape which is zero < 1285329534 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: [>,+]<[<.] in theory should work < 1285329632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how, it'd at the very least end up printing all bytes with +1 applied. < 1285329640 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>,+]<[<-.] < 1285329652 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about that < 1285329674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will again never enter the [>,+] loop if the tape starts at zero. And [<-.] again terminates only after actually printing the zero. < 1285329684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you try these out instead of asking, though?-) < 1285329732 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying to discuss it , to understand it more < 1285329816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreters are more reliable than people, though. < 1285330137 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok one more thing, if EOF is -1 , why does this crash ,+[-.,+] < 1285330152 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1285330201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I don't know; it should be pretty much a straight-forward "cat". < 1285330821 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285332572 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285332915 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285333006 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285334235 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1285334327 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285334342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285334624 0 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-246.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285335251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga! < 1285335262 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how "nougat" should be pronounced? < 1285335278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This question commands my interest! < 1285335298 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285335301 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1285335318 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pronounce 'nooga' it like 'noga' < 1285335327 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noga means leg in polish < 1285335612 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the UK "nougat" is indeed pronounced that way. < 1285335636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's a long 'a'. < 1285336092 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i' sweet < 1285336096 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm* < 1285336265 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;f < 1285336331 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1285337433 0 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285337556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285337592 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-248.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285337887 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1285338058 0 :nullkuhl!~nullkuhl@196.221.13.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285338074 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it possible to do multiplication using brainfuck ? < 1285338100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1285338131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not? Just add a to b, c times, to get b = a*c. < 1285338134 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285338159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a bit trickier with multi-cell numbers if you need more than a byte. < 1285338164 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-248.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285338166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^pow2 < 1285338166 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 32768 65536 131072 262144 524288 1048576 2097152 4194304 8388608 16777216 33554432 67108864 134217728 268435456 536870912 1073741824 2147483648 42949672 ... < 1285338186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does bignum multiplication by a constant 2, but it's very silly. < 1285338206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show pow2 < 1285338207 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+2[[<+7[-<+7>]>[-<+<+>>]<[->+<]<-2.[-]<]+4[->+8<]>.[-]>>[-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>-8>+>[->+>+<2]+>>[<2->>[-]]<2[>+<-]>[-<+>]<4-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>+2<-[>+2<[-]]]]]]]]]]<[->+<]>+>[-<+>]>>]<3] < 1285338271 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it should take 2 numbers separated by a new line < 1285338274 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiply them together < 1285338286 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output will be less than 10000 < 1285338420 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :homework O_O? < 1285338470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. If you're golfing this, it may even make sense to just do decimal multiplication, the routines I've seen to convert from decimal and back have been a bit unwieldy. < 1285338509 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there such routines already ? < 1285338587 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure; at least in example programs around the interwebs, and presumably also in those higher-level languages. < 1285338711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mazonka.com/brainf/ has some that seem familiar to me. < 1285338720 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord A < 1285338720 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65 < 1285338725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably uses one of them. < 1285338726 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show ord < 1285338727 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[[-<+2>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[<[-]+>->+<[<-]]]]]]]]]]>]<2[>+6[<+8>-]<-.[-]<]+32.[-]>>,] < 1285339109 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::F < 1285339347 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285339955 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285340013 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285340088 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285340118 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-248.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285340199 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285340283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : am trying to parse an input, to print it in reverse, and input ends with a character of asci value = 10 and i should skip that character and itshould be where my code terminates < 1285340304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure one of the bots has a command for that. < 1285340311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was _old_ EgoBot < 1285340321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show rev < 1285340323 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1285340336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1285340337 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1285340344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show reverse < 1285340344 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf ,----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[.[-]<] < 1285340351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the one < 1285340367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev < 1285340368 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<] < 1285340382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot uses ascii 0 to terminate instead < 1285340382 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the usual...test them. you can entertain us for awhile? use the skyway to save miss you. but i like it that you survived? marle lucca < 1285340383 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1285340407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may have written one or both of those < 1285340441 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1285340489 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks i did it already 12 characters :) < 1285340514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait 12 characters including the ascii 10? < 1285340541 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285340552 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[->,+]<[.<] < 1285340565 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show sadbf < 1285340566 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadol :M$0 :d:i,45000@>i-01(2]M0:i-i1:S$0:C;3:l#C-01:p:m0@:m%+m1d?=#Cp"1<:m?<-m10-s1-m1?=#Cp"1.!'2#Mm?=#Cp"1,:#Mm'1;0?=#Cp"1[]S-p1?=#Cp"1]?=#Mm00:p[S0:p+p1 < 1285340568 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285340576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nullkuhl: um no that definitely uses ascii 0 termination < 1285340583 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop :) < 1285340585 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it urself < 1285340606 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opps < 1285340607 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong paste < 1285340610 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i thought about a graphical esolang based on curves < 1285340637 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +[,[-<+>>+<]>----------]<<<[.<] < 1285340648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about a New Age esolang. < 1285340648 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that go through some specific points and fork etc. < 1285340651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a bit more believable :D < 1285340696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherein the words "holistic" and "vibration" are fundamental concepts. < 1285340707 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know how to multiply 2 numbers together separated by asci 10 < 1285340714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that [-] in EgoBot's version seems redundant to me. maybe it's taken from one that could be repeated for several lines < 1285340757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe it's written by an obsessively tidy person. < 1285340759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nullkuhl: in decimal? that's a bit more awkward. < 1285340802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing impossible, of course < 1285340953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the printing out again may be the most awkward bit, since it needs to convert back to decimal < 1285341014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could do the whole math in decimal; or at least in base-10 digit-per-cell format. The task needs multi-cell numbers anyway. < 1285341048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i was imagining ignoring overflow here :D < 1285341117 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285341130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the divmod algorithm from http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms#Divmod_algorithm may be a useful building block in any case < 1285341146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that objects have some kind of waveform associated, which interacts with all of the other objects. Or something. < 1285341215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nullkuhl: mind you i'm too lazy to actually write this ;D < 1285341310 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the problem with such complicated ideas is that they have to be converted to a simpler form < 1285341327 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this form would be probably some kind of pretty basic, boring esolang < 1285341417 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1285341649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we can solve that easily enough. < 1285341657 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO SIMPLIFICATION ALLOWED < 1285341855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no simplification <=> use actual quantum field theory, with your objects being made out of particles < 1285341904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points out in advance that he doesn't actually know quantum field theory < 1285341971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor I. < 1285341993 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using *actual* quantum field theory makes it less New Agey. < 1285342003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess :D < 1285342451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's invent some! < 1285342625 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285342750 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is the bot policy for #esoteric? < 1285342773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't spam? < 1285342787 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good policy < 1285342825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's of course frequently broken :D < 1285342859 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyone may bring in a bot as long as it isn't annoying-as-shit? < 1285342862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285342945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything implementing/implemented in esolangs is of course positively encouraged < 1285342967 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1285342986 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but egobot pretty much already implements all the 1D esolangs right? < 1285343004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it implements _all_... < 1285343008 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1285343015 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1285343015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1285343019 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's HE. < 1285343025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has some 2d ones, i think. it can run from web pages after all < 1285343025 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1285343026 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1285343045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1285343045 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1285343058 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pi 20 < 1285343060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1285343061 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1285343063 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14159265358979323844 < 1285343095 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, wait, i could tack my own interpreters onto egobot's list? < 1285343097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sffffffffedeesh Hello, world! < 1285343097 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu, vurld! Bork Bork Bork! < 1285343098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: EgoBot distinguishes between languages and user interpreters, with the latter being implemented by anyone in the former. < 1285343132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show pi < 1285343133 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh read p; if [ "x$p" = "x" ]; then p=5; fi; echo "scale=$p; a(1)*4;" | BC_LINE_LENGTH=490 bc -l | tr -d '\\' < 1285343138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has at times planned to make that recursive but hasn't found a good design for doing so < 1285343140 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can anyone add a new language? < 1285343154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not AFAIK. < 1285343185 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can always just use sh and some quoting. < 1285343199 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1285343208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that requires modifying the EgoBot repository, afaik. but i'm sure Gregor accepts reasonable patches. < 1285343220 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm p terrible at sh, but neato < 1285343240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can see, that's how I got bc for the pi thing. < 1285343245 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap i should have left a long time ago < 1285343249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however HackEgo is the one intended for being near completely user modifiable. for some reason we haven't added esolangs to it though. < 1285343263 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1285343269 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Because I'm too lazy to get the ball rolling on that process. < 1285343276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash -c 'echo USE MEEEEEEE' < 1285343279 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE MEEEEEEE < 1285343313 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would one go about making a usermod bot that can't be broken by anyone? seems like you have to limit mods to sandboxed things that can be killed when they misbehave < 1285343321 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can trust people and shoot them if they fuck it up < 1285343330 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN'T be broken, or CAN be fixed? < 1285343341 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same difference < 1285343346 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's userland is stored in a Mercurial repository, and any changes can be reverted by anyway. < 1285343347 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyone < 1285343350 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1285343351 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1285343383 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, the repository is external to the bot making it editable even when the bot is down < 1285343391 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can anyone reboot the bot if down? < 1285343394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought HackEgo had the clever replacement libc thing? < 1285343413 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Feel free to try taking down the bot, you won't succeed :P < 1285343419 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, not mine. < 1285343424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shutdown < 1285343426 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343437 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Feel free to try something at least BORDERLINE clever X_X < 1285343441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shutdown 3 < 1285343443 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1285343456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall only try entirely stupid things! < 1285343463 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls / < 1285343465 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ tmp \ usr < 1285343473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /lib < 1285343474 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp \ firmware \ init \ ld-2.11.2.so \ ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 \ libBrokenLocale-2.11.2.so \ libBrokenLocale.so.1 \ libSegFault.so \ libacl.so.1 \ libacl.so.1.1.0 \ libanl-2.11.2.so \ libanl.so.1 \ libattr.so.1 \ libattr.so.1.1.0 \ libblkid.so.1 \ libblkid.so.1.1.0 \ libbsd.so.0 \ libbsd.so.0.2.0 \ libbz2.so.1 \ libbz2.so.1.0 < 1285343482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sensible thing to do would be to find out what sandboxing system it uses, then google for exploits in it < 1285343484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: actually HackEgo as an ugly history of frequently locking up so Gregor had to restart it, but this is completely unrelated to anyone trying to hack it. also i think he managed to finally fix that. < 1285343495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I fixed that, yes :P < 1285343504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch /lib/libld-2.11.2.so < 1285343505 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch /lib/libld-2.11.2.so 2>&1 < 1285343512 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343514 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: wouldn't editing the repo to include a piece of code that runs a tight infinite loop and triggering it accomplish something like that? < 1285343526 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like < 1285343531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a strict termination thing IIRC. < 1285343533 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do echo; done < 1285343533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do done; < 1285343536 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343542 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ < 1285343545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, we wrote almost the same program < 1285343552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my infinite loop's tighter than Gregor's < 1285343552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Except mine worked :P < 1285343556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it ended pretty quickly < 1285343564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do true; done < 1285343567 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's because it was not correct code :P < 1285343571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1285343581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame it on bash insisting that loops contain at least one statement < 1285343582 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: yes, except modifying the bot directly to remove the termination check < 1285343584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I haven't got a no output yet < 1285343594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the bot can't edit its own source < 1285343607 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That fshg is 1) only accessible via this interface, you can't push, and 2) doesn't include the bot itself, just the things contained within it. < 1285343608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could hack Gregor's computer and edit the bot, I suppose, but that's cheating < 1285343609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that language that formed a group over concatenation? < 1285343614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Burro < 1285343614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1285343630 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not completely usermod and the code it can run is sandboxed < 1285343639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I still haven't got a "No output." < 1285343641 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Of course. I am BORDERLINE sane :P < 1285343649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It only gets killed after 30 seconds. < 1285343652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it not come up if an infinite loop gets terminated? < 1285343661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it's more than 30 seconds or so) < 1285343662 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mine got killed faster for overusing output, not infinite looping ;) < 1285343666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I noticed < 1285343670 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: After 30 seconds ON THE CPU, that is. < 1285343675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I wanted a no-output version < 1285343684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And they're throttled down so much they haven't gotten 30 seconds yet :P < 1285343690 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1285343724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){a|a&;}a; < 1285343726 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably screwed it up again haven't I < 1285343736 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: There's also http://hackiki.org/ , the Wiki version of Hackbot :) < 1285343737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){a|a&};a; < 1285343738 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'd imagine a forkbomb would get killed very quickly anyway < 1285343755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:& };: < 1285343756 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it works like that < 1285343779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){while true; do a|a&; done};a < 1285343780 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343787 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1285343799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just curious as to whether it kills it immediately or slowly < 1285343808 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just standard ulimits. < 1285343811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){while true; do a&; done};a < 1285343812 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285343815 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(){ :|& };: should work on all sh-compatible shells. < 1285343823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *|: < 1285343824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not without the third colon < 1285343837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW it should work. < 1285343837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue with that forkbomb is that it's easily outcompeted; the while-loop version isn't < 1285343854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can block it with a counterbomb that's greedier with PIDs and that locks them after it uses them < 1285343859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that clears itself up after 30 seconds or so < 1285344013 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285344174 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-152.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285344176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, your Befunge C-style-constants beat the Java all the way up to the deadline (and is still winning) < 1285344255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the Java was improved by 1 byte < 1285344299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golfing with java is a bit like the paralympics, no? < 1285344304 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahhaha < 1285344316 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like golfing with pascal < 1285344341 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the truth is that i first learned some pascal < 1285344345 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was 11 < 1285344365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: The Befunge implementation did, in fact, also beat Pascal. < 1285344375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Java 116 bytes, Pascal 130.) < 1285344384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Befunge 115.) < 1285344385 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turbo pascal 6.0 was only programming thingy on my dad's computer was TP under DOS < 1285344429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all seem to use the "enum plus instance constructor" trick. < 1285344448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, even the Befunge? < 1285344458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not that. But all (two) Java ones. < 1285344466 0 :nullkuhl!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285344466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a fingerprint for that. < 1285344490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's 93, though. < 1285344497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285344503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Party like it's '93.) < 1285344519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before or after September? < 1285344540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single-byte playfield cells of 93 killed my fraction-simplification Befunge solution. :/ < 1285344551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apres nous le deluge < 1285344603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, my old school used that as their only programming thingy. < 1285344616 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2008. < 1285344627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like that "print eval and print chop for readline" alpha-only Perl solution. < 1285344654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1285344658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting the newline was the hard bit < 1285344672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I grab it from the last character of each line as it comes past < 1285344752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember having a bug of the "$s = chop $s;" variety once; it's not immediately intuitive that it returns the chopped bit and actually modifies the passed variable. < 1285344868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's why it was mostly deprecated in favour of chomp < 1285344895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does chomp *do*? < 1285344927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure chomp's very much saner; it returns the number of characters removed, and also modifies the string. < 1285344950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: chop removes the last character always, chomp only if (simplified) there actually is a newline there. < 1285344960 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i taught pascal in high school, like huh, 5 years ago < 1285344970 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the IT teacher couldn't < 1285345029 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285345127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old school's computing curriculum was... weird. < 1285345192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the first 3 years, computing was mandatory, then nothing for 2 years, and then you could optionally do it in 6th year. < 1285345234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote a friend, they spent large amounts of money on maintaining a computing department in which computing was not taught. < 1285345371 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285345965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, well, well < 1285346661 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1285346921 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285347842 0 :nooga!~nooga@edq247.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285348297 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285348356 0 :Slereah_!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-3-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285348372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, saw in #nethack the past few minutes? < 1285348382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1285348408 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285348411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #nethack chainsaw massacre < 1285348521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wasn't paying attention < 1285348524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary? < 1285349018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Burro TC? < 1285349273 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, what happened in #nethack? < 1285349408 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are all the bot command characters for this chan? < 1285349441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo hi < 1285349442 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi < 1285349445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1285349446 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1285349450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1285349452 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1285349478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot always was a little special. < 1285349478 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is the gate key okay!! get' em! 200g per night. care, and stay...healthy! my husband...he's...he's...gone... but he left me precious gifts! the seeds...and our child, it's ancient history now...! < 1285349484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ is a logical, at-the-moment free one. < 1285349495 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ? < 1285349505 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and @ < 1285349517 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but they don't seem so botty to me. :p < 1285349533 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285349536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there something that used to use backslash? < 1285349539 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have known bots that use $ as the command character and have a "catch-all" response < 1285349547 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes talking about money fun sometimes < 1285349559 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have known bots that have a catch-all response to everything that ends in "?". < 1285349565 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes being interrogative fun sometimes. < 1285349569 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that's just annoying < 1285349586 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statements starting with $ come up much less frequently in normal speech < 1285349590 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a powerade brb < 1285349615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also have that \o/ script thing. < 1285349615 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  ¦ < 1285349615 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 ´¸¨ < 1285349651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\: wth did you do to its legs < 1285349673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks unhealthy. < 1285349709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The penis fell off. < 1285349735 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1285349747 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that again \o/ < 1285349747 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  | < 1285349748 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  >\ < 1285349751 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1285349816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1285349827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1285349835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1285349850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/\m/ < 1285349859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1285349871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he must have removed that one :( < 1285349874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have just one space; don't know why your first \m/ \m/ didn't work. < 1285349875 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                         `\o/´ < 1285349875 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                           | < 1285349875 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                          /`\ < 1285349875 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                        (_| |_) < 1285349883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's too wide to start so early. < 1285349900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it shouldn't be < 1285349906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the shoes. < 1285349914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the \ in myndzi's nick, that's not there usually. < 1285349923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...they don't go to the left of the hands < 1285349943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true but i added a space at the front < 1285349956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I noticed that. Still, I think it's about the placement. < 1285349962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1285349963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1285349964 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  `\o/´ < 1285349964 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    | < 1285349964 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_|¯'¯|_) < 1285349974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah, so it can potentially have wider forms. < 1285349980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285349983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not always. < 1285350332 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285350700 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285350890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would rather be using Chromium < 1285350895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But somehow, it's crashy < 1285350901 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// sometimes I believe compiler ignores all my comments < 1285350910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuh? < 1285351146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285351173 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285351175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285351175 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1285351261 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's xkcd was somehow worse than usual. < 1285351313 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know how. < 1285351316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what was it again -> < 1285351337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285351392 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: couldn't be worse than last friday's < 1285351412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point. < 1285351440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285351458 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285351472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one makes Munro look like such an idiot that ESR could reasonably look down on him. < 1285351508 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the steady decline of xkcd has finally reached the tipping point, and is now in a sharp drastic decline, either into oblivion or something completely but not as crappy as an unfunny stickfigure webcomic < 1285351517 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the prophecied pictoblog < 1285351538 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*completely different < 1285351567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My money's on "oblivion". < 1285351615 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if we call its heyday an orgasm and the current decline a refractory period, then it follows that it is "too late to pull out" < 1285351630 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't really think it is. i think the fans would welcome a change of format at this point. < 1285351674 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285351703 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285352077 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he could stop trying to be SMBC but with worse art and jokes, that would definitely be a start. < 1285352134 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/SMBC/every other webcomic that doesn't suck/ < 1285352158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but SMBC specifically. < 1285352232 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see a reason to pick that one out < 1285352243 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he steals jokes from other webcomics all over the place < 1285352532 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but in terms of the format, it's basically SMBC sans art. < 1285352569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. panel showing strange situation, and text below explaining it, conveying the joke. < 1285352706 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285352770 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285352987 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be right. it looks like convergent evolution to me, but i've no way to prove he didn't deliberately copycat the formet < 1285353022 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, there are only so many ways to do a gag-a-day comic with little in the way of recurring characters < 1285353145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm anyone has a clue to fix a windows computer where the password database is completely fucked? On Linux it would be a simple case of replacing /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd from a livecd... < 1285353147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows xp < 1285353251 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with a recovery disk is a good idea < 1285353263 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what files need to be modified/restored < 1285353360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are those password-resetting rescue disks, perhaps one of them would work. (They might assume an existing, well-formatted user database, though.) < 1285353403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I do not know if it is well-formatted. Also hm, laptop without cd drive... this might get tricky < 1285353415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the XP installer *might* do something sensible to it. (Then again, it might just break everything else too.) < 1285353444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285353494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the thing has SP3. Doesn't windows xp have a recovery console thingy on the cd? I can only find a SP2 cd though < 1285353551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the win2k recovery console; don't quite recall what it could do, and where it was. < 1285353582 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0881.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285353585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen references to http://trinityhome.org/ too; it should be USB-stickable. < 1285353610 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a Windows system on USB < 1285353666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the recovery console was bootable from the installer, with the "repair" option. < 1285353751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I wonder if an usb cd drive would work.. < 1285353778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be terribly useful; it had a fixboot/fixmbr boot sector fixes, but I don't think much else. < 1285354000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chntpw -- http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/ -- has its own bootdisk, which might be smaller; don't see a USB stick option there. Based on the descriptions it may be that it's not of much help if the SAM stuff is completely broken. < 1285354097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, it can boot from a linux live cd from the usb cd drive but it refuses to boot from the windows cd < 1285354125 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably fix it from linux if you know what needs to be fixed. < 1285354142 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285354145 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may not be prebuilt tools for that purpose though :/ < 1285354215 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that had any informational content, but I just wanted to say it because, in general, you would be a much cooler person if you did it that way. < 1285354698 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can boot from one medium, you can boot from any < 1285354825 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way to install osx without using DVD? < 1285354835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1285354842 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. < 1285354851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to try proving Burro's groupity in Coq. < 1285354892 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My DVD drive in macbook is so broken that every DVD stuck in the middle < 1285354895 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. < 1285355077 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recovery console wants a password (finally got the drive to work on that cd) < 1285355080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1285355189 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how to define computational equivalence. < 1285355199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: One of chntpw's features is to twiddle the registry so that the recovery console won't ask for a pwd. < 1285355306 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285355345 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285355761 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285355787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1285355819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I used a tool on sysrescue (recommended boot cd!) to reset admin password < 1285355823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see if it works... < 1285355833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, now I got past login screen < 1285356124 0 :nooga!~nooga@94.254.173.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285356214 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-34-182.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1285356317 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just started wondering how big the smallest brainfuck interpreter in C is... < 1285356378 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285356396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm < 1285356424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I think you could make a "stupid" one rather short < 1285356432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that searched the string for [ and ] < 1285356451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would make skipping loop and re-running loop O(n) XD < 1285356490 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is acceptable; it just has to run for well-and-reasonably-defined subset of programs < 1285356549 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is easy to get it under 200 bytes, will it fit in tweets? ;) < 1285356554 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tweet* < 1285356657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, funny it still refuses login outside safe mode... < 1285356671 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for recovery console (I set that thing for it too) < 1285356931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a four-line one somewhere, I think. < 1285356933 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285356944 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not the most compact I've seen. < 1285356963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you write it? < 1285356968 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1285356969 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big were tweets again? 140 chars? < 1285356980 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285356988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were sort of C-golfing with friends. < 1285356992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285357002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I think 2-line should be doable. One for #include, then the rest of the program on the next line < 1285357007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wakes-- < 1285357011 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1285357048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13:29 on Windows at least (it sounds like maybe you aren't on windows?) you can run down to 0 bytes HD space left and get no warning < 1285357048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13:37 just a bunch of bizarre crap starts happening < 1285357048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13:46 it doesn't say HAY JACKASS DELETE SOME FILES or anything < 1285357051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure does by default < 1285357065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:43:36 * pikhq notes that it would be really silly to have FLACs of all the Final Fantasy soundtracks < 1285357071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo, store them as native synthesiser files < 1285357073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like .sid < 1285357085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have the chips in the computer < 1285357086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1285357113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, well, 'line' here means 80 chars; and no need to include anything when golfing, implicit declarations are good enough. < 1285357117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(j,a,n)int*a;{unsigned short p=-1;char*r=calloc(n=p+1,6),*i=r+n,**k < 1285357117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=i+n;for(read(open(*++a,0),i,p);j<0?*i-91?*i-93?:--n||(j=-j):++n:(n=*i < 1285357117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-43)?n-2?n-19?n-17?n-3?n-1?n-48?n-50?:p[r]?i=k[j]:j--:p[r]?k[++j]=i:( < 1285357117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=1,j=-j):read(0,r+p,1):putchar(p[r]):p--:p++:p[r]--:p[r]++,*i++;);} < 1285357129 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what it seems to have ended up as. < 1285357129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:55:39 * pikhq downloads a 33 gig music torrent < 1285357130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285357133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want connection please < 1285357152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.torrent files should not be 33gb\ < 1285357164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1285357168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought pikhq's connection was equivalent to trying to suck bits through a leaky straw. < 1285357181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I moved *months* ago. < 1285357190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since he lived in a small hovel on a mountain. < 1285357193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! < 1285357193 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 33 GB? All uncompressed .wav? Or is he trying to collect all music (like he did for all snes ROMs iirc? Or was that someone else?) < 1285357198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://www.bakabt.com/130907-Final_Fantasy_Lossless_Music_Collection.html < 1285357206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no i mean your collection < 1285357212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1285357212 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is Theodore Kazyncski 2.0! < 1285357213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection < 1285357214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1285357216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah. < 1285357216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, weren't you just explaining that that's a silly thing to do? < 1285357227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, this is #esoteric! < 1285357227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you could collect all music in digital form ever made. Like you did collect all ROMs < 1285357230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not if you're a nerd about quality < 1285357234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Silly" is an archaism! < 1285357235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I then discovered it's a royal pain to get good players for it. < 1285357257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is the format? < 1285357262 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: As opposed to emulating the actual synthesizers. Which as it turns out is a pain to do well. < 1285357266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FLAC? < 1285357276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how is hard to get good players for flac? < 1285357282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FLAC? *Easy*. < 1285357286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: better to run them through the actual consoles < 1285357289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogue subtleties < 1285357304 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, um, mplayer? vlc? A shitload of other programs? < 1285357319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NSF, however, is a pain to play well. < 1285357326 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285357330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I dismiss GNOME notifications? < 1285357330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285357337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is NSF? < 1285357339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you mean notify-osd notifications < 1285357340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't < 1285357342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wait < 1285357344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NES Sound Format. < 1285357356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an NES ROM with just code for the audio chip. < 1285357360 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is r for? r will get calloc(0,6) which is not realloc'ed later so it is just unused... < 1285357368 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is kind of nice that they don't block what's behind them, I guess < 1285357370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, in fact, stick it on a cart and play it on a real NES. < 1285357385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not being able to dismiss them is a security feature < 1285357394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, iirc they go away if you move the mouse above them < 1285357395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it makes people want to dismiss every one of them after they've read them, which is a waste of time < 1285357400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notifications are meant to be completely passive < 1285357411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, almost (very translucent) but they come back if you move out < 1285357424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD < 1285357424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even click behind them! < 1285357429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes they come back, also they don't go translucent here? < 1285357432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: again, very intentional < 1285357437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, maybe it depends on compositing? < 1285357438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: compositing not enabled, probably < 1285357441 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a thing I like < 1285357453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed not enabled. It fucked up with virtualbox 3D accel last I tried < 1285357465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: That's not calloc(0,6), that's calloc(65536,6). < 1285357472 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah? < 1285357487 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I missed unsigned < 1285357531 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the global variable char r[65536*6]; will be a lot simpler and shorter. < 1285357543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can that bf interpreter successfully run lostking? < 1285357551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: that may segfault on start < 1285357551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and what about the mandelbrot < 1285357554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on your stack < 1285357567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, global var != on stack < 1285357569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Global -- it's not on the stack. < 1285357570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe too small to be an issue < 1285357573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1285357575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind them < 1285357576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1285357588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be in the .bss segment probably < 1285357595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page says that the bubbles should blur < 1285357601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When loaded, it'll be on the heap. < 1285357601 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't do that unless the mouse is over them < 1285357623 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, n/m < 1285357634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that is when they should blur < 1285357635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, it'll be at a location the dynamic linker decides on. < 1285357645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well unless compositing is off, they they just go away completely) < 1285357649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dynamic linker/loader/ < 1285357655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'll just shut up now, okay? < 1285357695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: specifically, they blur and go translucent in such a way as to make all text behind them perfectly legible < 1285357701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without making it look like it's just evaporated < 1285357707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well... I meant in the .bss segment in the ELF file. Obviously :P < 1285357716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still think that will be the case on linux < 1285357721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. < 1285357760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I kind of prefer not using compositing though. Especially considering every time I tried it on every computer I tried it, it caused shit with some opengl stuff. < 1285357767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm just unlucky < 1285357775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a lucky bastard, being on intel graphics < 1285357779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything works perfectly < 1285357789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a bit of luck involved < 1285357795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as i said, lucky bastard < 1285357807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, my laptop uses intel graphics, there it where it caused shit with virtualbox gust 3d accel < 1285357815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky bastard < 1285357815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I use the large number later to put the actual program after the tape. But really, I make no claims that it couldn't be shortened. < 1285357820 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel graphics < 1285357823 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOu're joking, right? < 1285357836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and 3D in general is shitty there, when I play NWN on it, some textures go all white and missing. Only in the expansion packs though. < 1285357848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285357853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: intel graphics are awesome < 1285357858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't do heavy gaming < 1285357858 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well then that's fine. I just want to know the lower bound of size of such programs. < 1285357862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their linux support is superb < 1285357869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since intel are all open-sourcey < 1285357872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with their drivers < 1285357874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, NWN is hardly heavy by today's standards though :P < 1285357880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses all the new-fangled kernel magic < 1285357891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah well that's just linux for you < 1285357899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I've seen at least one that was <3*80 chars. < 1285357913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nwn runs perfectly on my desktop with nvidia though < 1285357933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn nvidacs < 1285357959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is nvidia still better than ATI when it comes to Linux stuff? < 1285357964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logging in to the latest astronomy picture of the day is awesome :) < 1285357970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, on the other hand, xrandr can't rotate screen on nividia closed source drivers < 1285357973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that trend sharply reversed for a while, when ATI opened their specs < 1285357978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it zig-zagged < 1285357980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're about equal < 1285357985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel is still better < 1285357994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for everything but 3D, intel is better. < 1285358014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...please note that 3d is one thing I kind of desire < 1285358021 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be that obvious < 1285358024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, basic 3D stuff works < 1285358028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really talk about 3d stuff < 1285358031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, 3D plots in mathematica < 1285358034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1285358047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d is intel is fine < 1285358051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is extrapolating from one game ;) < 1285358057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've never seen another problem report < 1285358067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, warzone2100 is all black on intel graphics < 1285358070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was last I tried it < 1285358082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I asked I got the answer that it was a bug in the intel drivers < 1285358084 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will Portal work on Intel graphics? < 1285358092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows, yes. < 1285358098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on highest settings. of course. < 1285358100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and last I checked flightgear didn't like intel graphics at all. < 1285358105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel graphics are still on-board chips < 1285358110 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, presumably newer than 945GM? < 1285358116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I read on Phoronix Canonical really did screw up the Intel driver experience for Jaunty, resulting in poor performance and numerous problems. < 1285358116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since everyone having Intel is running Jaunty with an Intel card (cards which are known to work under other distributions) I'll bet this is the problem. < 1285358117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^ < 1285358122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a problem report for warzone 2100 < 1285358152 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm. last I checked warzone2100 on my laptop was on karmic, think it still had that issue there < 1285358161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later there's "This is as much a problem with the Intel drivers having poor OpenGL support" but then rebutted: < 1285358164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That would be a good point EvilGuru if Warzone worked in previous Ubuntu versions, or if other games exhibited similar problems." < 1285358170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, you know ubuntu. < 1285358178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't solve much in /one/ release. < 1285358183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, touche < 1285358219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, what can i do to get info about my gfx card? just the model name < 1285358221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need glxinfo? < 1285358235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes he wasn't stuck with Firefox < 1285358257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: chrome. < 1285358265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: warzone 2100 main menu WFM; do I need to start a game? < 1285358273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes you need to start a game < 1285358277 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Flash crashes < 1285358285 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and get past any cut scene < 1285358289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think related to memory issues < 1285358289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap950616.html ;; totally glad I never automated astronomy picture of the day wallpaper-setting until two days ago < 1285358296 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depends on if you installed cut scene data iirc) < 1285358297 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Firefox any lighter memory-wise than Chrome? < 1285358301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think i've ever had a square 204x204 monitor < 1285358303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would explain why Firefox works so much better < 1285358307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, firefox is a huge memory hog. < 1285358312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1285358318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i strongly suspect your hardware is fucked up to the point of instability. < 1285358323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try throwing the computer out of the window < 1285358331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind I have no swap space < 1285358333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: groan; how can i skip a cut scene? < 1285358335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nor do I < 1285358338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All memory is physical < 1285358338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do < 1285358342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't use to < 1285358342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just have 1GB < 1285358346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant < 1285358346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um is that the awesome video you mean? < 1285358350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 709100 3184864 < 1285358352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I suspect esc will work < 1285358354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or clicking < 1285358354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only using 70.9 MiB right now < 1285358357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no swap < 1285358390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if you don't have the videos installed, then it will dump you more or less straight into the game iirc < 1285358415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: done < 1285358420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine, full 1366x768 resolution < 1285358424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no glitches at all < 1285358425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nice < 1285358428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM, Intel < 1285358430 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say FlashBlock actually blocks Flash on Firefox, and just hides it on Chrome, but someone said that that's not the case anymore < 1285358442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I blame ubuntu and/or older kernel versions then < 1285358443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you are really good at cargo-culting < 1285358453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well i'm on ubuntu :P now let's see what card i have < 1285358460 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, lspci < 1285358463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should list it < 1285358498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VGA compatible controller" perhaps or "Display Controller" < 1285358499 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any CD burner programs that let me copy a CD without having HD space and without storing the whole thing in memory? < 1285358503 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1285358506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Put in disc 1, read a bit < 1285358508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh well, I'm sure I want glxinfo anyway." < 1285358509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dd < 1285358510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disc 2, write a bit < 1285358513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1285358514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit? seriously? < 1285358517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disc 1, read a bit < 1285358518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a meg or so at a time < 1285358526 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that sort of bit < 1285358533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd on CDs is probably LOLUNRELIABLE but there you go < 1285358535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for a small amount" < 1285358538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can you write to a CD-R file on linux?) < 1285358540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, not possible. < 1285358547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, darn < 1285358552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, as in physically impossible < 1285358556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it probably is, with a lot of hacks < 1285358558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering how cds work < 1285358559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and going over old data a lot < 1285358571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well.. with CD-RW you could < 1285358572 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1285358578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: dd on CDs works just fine unless there's really notable scratches on the disc. < 1285358592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but with CD-R, you can't you would need to make a new track, and write in track-at-once mode < 1285358593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: (to the point that you get file read errors if you mount it) < 1285358594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) < 1285358594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) < 1285358596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooo unhelpful < 1285358600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ddrescue can help there. < 1285358610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, same as mine < 1285358612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pipe dd to dd in a way, then? < 1285358618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. have it go continuously < 1285358624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1285358626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait < 1285358629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to buffer an entire track? < 1285358631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind then < 1285358636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could copy cd with *two devices* < 1285358638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, wait, wait. Sgeo: You want to do *that*? That's not going to work. < 1285358639 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work of course < 1285358641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1285358643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what he meant < 1285358645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely < 1285358650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he meant same device < 1285358652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: surely you meant with two drives < 1285358659 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1285358665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant I had wishful thinking < 1285358665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one device won't work < 1285358672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CDs don't work that way. < 1285358677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, exactly < 1285358694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok ok, I get the point < 1285358701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to write at least a track at once. And from what I remember... TAO mode is not very reliable < 1285358711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: TAO is perfectly reliable. < 1285358714 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And got it sometime around <Vorpal> Sgeo, not possible. < 1285358717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, haven't you got a replacement hdd and rescued the old one already? < 1285358724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has certain limitations on doing audio. < 1285358726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started the rescue of the old one < 1285358729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah okay < 1285358733 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to continue it on my old computer < 1285358765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will the version of ddrescue that Parted Magic has work with what I've already done on Ubuntu? < 1285358813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which ddrescue is it? < 1285358816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in both cases) < 1285358822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu is gnu ddrescue < 1285358823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no _ < 1285358841 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _think_ Parted Magic's is also GNU < 1285358843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parted magic, i fear the worst. < 1285358845 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the binary has no _ < 1285358854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be fine then. also, your disk is way beyond any kind of recovery, dude. < 1285358867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to hex exit the resulting disk image to find your data < 1285358875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you seem to have been going just fine in life without it < 1285358905 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't um.. .. some thingy look through the image for possible files? < 1285358955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really... < 1285358960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of, at least. < 1285358969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe those ext3grep things, but they're just for deleted files, not corrupted file systems. < 1285358985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the fact that your partition table seems to be fucked up, a whole world of fun. < 1285358990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could hack something up with libext2. < 1285359017 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Parted Magic has something that does that < 1285359084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parted magic gave me a pony then fellated my toaster < 1285359087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all before breakfast < 1285359097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he has no ext2 < 1285359099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ntfs < 1285359101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ~WUBI~ on it < 1285359108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY WUBI, THE SANEST PROGRAM IN EXISTENCE < 1285359129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because keeping an ext3/4 partition as a file on an NTFS filesystem and then booting to it is a deliriously good idea! < 1285359160 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854] < 1285359167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, when will you resume reading FS? < 1285359177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this weekend prolly < 1285359222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How to Determine Which Graphics Card You Have on Ubuntu" < 1285359223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1285359227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anneliese Hinds said < 1285359234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what Ubuntu is but if I ever need to know about the graphics card I will certainly remember this article. < 1285359244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clap clap clap* < 1285359281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm trying to get something a bit more specific than the lspci line) < 1285359350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something like grep that just highlights the line like with --colour=force? < 1285359357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh he uses ntfs? that will be tricky to recover with < 1285359362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yep! < 1285359376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I mean, ext3 or fat and it would have been easy < 1285359414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk maybe on the image. That is about all I can think of. < 1285359442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" tends to have the most specific gfx card info. < 1285359484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, running ddrescue on a 350 GB disk took about 10 hours iirc? Though it could do the majority rather fast, only a few sectors were damaged and needed re-read with smaller chunk size to get the good bits back < 1285359524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, of course < 1285359533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sgeo cancelled it when he realised it was going to take HOURS upon HOURS < 1285359543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there something like grep that just highlights the line like with --colour=force? <-- what do you mean? < 1285359545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to rigorously copying a severely damaged disk in, say, three minutes < 1285359560 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, more like, a week < 1285359561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, grep --color=force works iirc (yes it uses US spelling afaik) < 1285359563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, here grep highlights the match with a colour and bold < 1285359563 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more < 1285359568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (--colour works too) < 1285359570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but i want < 1285359572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the document < 1285359574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just with it highlighted < 1285359577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep only shows the lines, plus context < 1285359580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, -C 999999 ? < 1285359582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want the whole document, with the matches highlighted < 1285359588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that would fail horribly for multiple matches < 1285359615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Waitwaitwait, he has a broken *NTFS* file system? < 1285359618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how so? Afaik multiple matches where the context overlaps works just fine < 1285359622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Lost cause. < 1285359652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hmm? < 1285359657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there is testdisk. Could work < 1285359657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're going to hex edit or grep the drive for anything you want to recover, give up now. < 1285359669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very strange name for that tool < 1285359678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be called "undel" or something < 1285359679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _saw_ files when playing with TestDisk < 1285359679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Testing disk... ... ...yup, it's broken." < 1285359684 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the directory structure < 1285359686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you played with testdisk? < 1285359689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before rescuing the image? < 1285359690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the actual drive? < 1285359693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED < 1285359696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes he said so before < 1285359704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I told him back then he was an idiot doing it < 1285359715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Dude, you are a fucking *moron* when it comes to data recovery. < 1285359732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should just start in the morning with running ddrescue, then leave it < 1285359747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you make sure to stomp on the drive three times and then douse it with coca-cola? this helps to liquidate the parts, meaning there'll be less scratching, making recovery easier < 1285359747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until done, then do a second pass if needed as recommended by the manual < 1285359766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The whole *point* of doing the ddrescue is so you can play with a disk image instead of *ruining things more*. < 1285359788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make sure to hit the drive with a baseball bat for a bit? Perhaps get a home run? < 1285359813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(--) intel(0): Chipset: "GM45" < 1285359813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1285359815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no # < 1285359844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, GM45 looks plausible < 1285359846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset, featuring the Mobile Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 4500MHD, delivers: < 1285359846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blu-ray* logo capable HD video playback, with native support for Blu-ray drives < 1285359846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great 3D graphics performance, delivering over 3X scores on 3D Mark* 06â—Š < 1285359846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel® Clear Video Technology for excellent video quality < 1285359856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best integrated card evar < 1285359865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 3X? < 1285359870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3X relative what < 1285359878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "our previous model in this range", probably < 1285359882 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285359894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if the company is evil, "our least significant competitor's lowest model purposefully detuned" :-) < 1285359896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which is still waaay below nvidia or ati :P < 1285359914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably gets a damn good 3d mark for laptops < 1285359926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine integrated cards are starting to catch up. < 1285359939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, probably worse than laptops with geforce or similar < 1285359943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are such laptops < 1285359945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: recent geforce, sure. < 1285359950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also have 3 seconds battery life :) < 1285359958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i wouldn't play a super-mega-HD-3D game on my laptop. < 1285359960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt evil: it is well known intel is evil. About every large enough company is. < 1285359972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard insufficiently hefty, display insufficiently level and insufficiently large. < 1285359976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, HD-HDR-3D you mean :P < 1285359984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why people have gaming computers :) < 1285359999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: intel are evil but less evil than a lot of other companies < 1285360006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they don't do an awful lot of marketing direct to the customer < 1285360019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285360021 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285360025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT KEYBOARD SHORTCUT DOES THAT < 1285360027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i was going to say is < 1285360044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "don't use AMD on this product line or we'll fuck you in the ass" sucked shit < 1285360052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1285360055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i imagine that's well away from even the PR/marketing department < 1285360056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285360063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would have come up with the 3x line) < 1285360101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are those ruminations about on-CPU DRM, but what company hasn't researched something equally disgusting? < 1285360113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's my Microsoft-backed Trusted Computing fascist state? < 1285360123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would improve /my/ image of Intel is if they put VT-x on the lower-end processors < 1285360125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like AMD does < 1285360147 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VT-x == that virtualization thing, right? < 1285360151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1285360170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Intel & Microsoft were actually trying to *get* Trusted Computing going. < 1285360171 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many end-users really care. I guess < 1285360181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And they didn't. < 1285360184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always the same story. < 1285360192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a windows 7 user using XP Mode? :) < 1285360195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, that's a grand total of 0.4 < 1285360210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It fell through because only a complete idiot of an IT department would purchase it, and the consumer idiot is insufficiently profitable. < 1285360210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, intel procs have a lot of things the end user doesn't directly care about < 1285360212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not end-user products < 1285360219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of the point < 1285360239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed. < 1285360253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Besides, < 1285360256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Trusted Computing Group (TCG), successor to the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance (TCPA), is an initiative started by AMD, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Intel, and Microsoft to implement Trusted Computing. Many others followed." < 1285360269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the glorious other processor company I see before me? < 1285360274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Is this the < 1285360285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, Microsoft & Intel are merely the major leaders in the clusterfuck of stupidity. < 1285360301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much every tech company that thinks that they can make bits uncopiable. < 1285360317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD are probably slightly less evil than Intel, but I have a feeling that's a very thoroughly preserved and crafted image < 1285360331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utilising their history as the guys who took intel processors and cloned them and made them better < 1285360331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make alternative OSes not runnable? < 1285360348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: besides, AMD have forgotten how to make processors recently :) < 1285360356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD's lesser evil comes courtesy of being the underdog in the market. < 1285360369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not that much of an underdog now, though < 1285360380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what was the exact command I ran? < 1285360384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling that at some point the PR department made the VERY thought-out decision to carefully preserve this underdog image < 1285360385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be in the logs < 1285360388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even as they grow to behemoth size < 1285360404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, with ATi now they are actually more than "those guys that just do 10% of x86 CPUs". < 1285360413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the ATI brand is dead now :) < 1285360416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's AMD Vision < 1285360421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: --direct --max-retries=3 < 1285360442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, i'm pretty sure the lowercase i is just a logotype convention, not the name of the brand < 1285360442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, they're kinda small in comparison to the behemoth that is Intel. < 1285360455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, true. still < 1285360460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, that's after I run N1> ddrescue --no-split /dev/sda imagefile logfile < 1285360471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1285360479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you try --retrim along with that < 1285360486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you cry and increase max-retries hopelessly < 1285360487 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pastied something < 1285360489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows is a lot snappier when run in safe mode < 1285360490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285360492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just those instructions < 1285360513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: With MiniXP, it's like always running in safe mode, but without the ugly safe mode background watermark! < 1285360515 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I guess I'll go open my old comp < 1285360520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Micro2k, it's like 1995 in 2010! < 1285360523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Intel has 7 times the revenue of AMD, currently. < 1285360531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hah < 1285360540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still don't have the external thingy, blargh < 1285360549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And the US is 13.258 trillion dollars in debt. < 1285360552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a hyperpower. < 1285360587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God why does Coq make it so hard to get decidable predicates < 1285360589 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will a laptop HD safely go into a desktop? < 1285360620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Intel also has 8 times the employees. < 1285360635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: write them as boolean functions < 1285360640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then define a coercion from bool to prop < 1285360648 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap, I may have accidentally magnetized my screwdriver < 1285360656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: probably. ha ha buy a new screwdriver. < 1285360659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, AMD no longer owns chip fabs. < 1285360662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not try and just screw the HD in quickly < 1285360664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with it < 1285360666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i'll punch you < 1285360668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I shouldn't *HAVE* to define decidable equality for Z myself. < 1285360678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the standard library sucks; I suggest always reimplementing it < 1285360679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the non-screwy end that got magnetized maybe < 1285360696 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs some metal to check with < 1285360702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I ought to tell zzo38. < 1285360727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is the most ridiculous example of Flanderisation ever < 1285360729 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, there are various entertaining ways of demagnetising iron. < 1285360745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of them involve violence. < 1285360755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stab the one you love." < 1285360762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The curse will demagnetise it FOREVERMORE" < 1285360765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or electricity, or blowtorches. < 1285360771 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit it repeatedly on something < 1285360775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or thermite. < 1285360793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, makes it rather hard to screw things with afterwards. < 1285360794 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my HD < 1285360798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(j/k) < 1285360801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: True. < 1285360817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but there's a chance the HD will be nearby and get evaporated < 1285360822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then this ordeal will be over for all of us < 1285360854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long does iron need to be near a magnet to get magnetized? < 1285360873 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, WHY IN THE NAME OF FUCKETY FUCK IS THE CORNER OF MY LAPTOP'S SCREEN A MAGNET? < 1285360893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a common LCD thing? < 1285360907 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old cell phone used to be like that too < 1285360926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it could be to hold it closed. < 1285360953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it depends on the strength of the magnet and probably the composition of the iron. < 1285361075 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, laptop HDs seem to be a different size from desktop HDs < 1285361084 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't opened the desktop yet < 1285361107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so listening to five copies of bananaphone sped up at once, desynchronised < 1285361117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the most cellular, modular, interactiveodular path to insanity ever < 1285361135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: of course they're a different size < 1285361145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure hope you turned off the laptop first < 1285361179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think he is, an idiot? < 1285361182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1285361213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HD was out of the laptop for quite a while < 1285361326 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you honestly think I'd use the laptop with the HD in it _after you told me not to_? < 1285361331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats alise for claiming the channel is flounder-iced -----### < 1285361337 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be ignorant about this stuff, but I'm not stupid. < 1285361419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: first impressions _are_ hard to reverse, i hear < 1285361525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking to someone who dropped his hard drive and then used a recovery tool on the disk straight, rather than copying the drive as told to. < 1285361598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wbc anc glucose < 1285361612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wbc anc glucose < 1285361612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285361620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped touching the recovery tool when told to < 1285361620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1285361630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, something I need to remember for a few min < 1285361797 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will the laptop HD fit? < 1285361801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the desktop? < 1285361826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it won't fit in the secure holder < 1285361831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will plug in and rest. < 1285361843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my computers has the hd just hanging :-) < 1285361847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ooold one < 1285361847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1285361853 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it might incur even more damage? < 1285361862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you don't kick the fucking computer. < 1285361885 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have pets. THe cat might jump on top of the computer < 1285362087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1285362103 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, any progress on the screwdriver? < 1285362233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. was it magnetised? < 1285362250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It.. doesn't seem to have been < 1285362508 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodness, YouTube is a veritable font of magnetic insanity. < 1285362527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the interesting insanity, either; the free energy sort. < 1285362796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285362829 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could even say it's a veritable fontAIN. Or fountain. Or any non-archaic word which hasn't been replaced with a totally new meaning. < 1285362892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here played The Neverhood? < 1285362908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page < 1285362930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the great thing is that it has pages debunking such systems in thorough detail < 1285362934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and is written in a sane style < 1285362939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it looked sane. < 1285362942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't realise they're trying to break thermodynamics for about half an hour < 1285362952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fons asinorum < 1285362958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i think they're trying to < 1285362961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually sure < 1285362966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they admit nothing so far actually even remotely works < 1285363066 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks on the surface as if they just want renewable energy... < 1285363171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they go on to cold fusion. Ah. < 1285363212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still hold out some hope for cold fusion < 1285363231 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1285363236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got no evidence. < 1285363240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason people believe in god :) < 1285363294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Gravity_Motors < 1285363306 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they hop right into crazyland. < 1285363345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*alleged* < 1285363348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do a lot of pages that just rebut things < 1285363358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1285363363 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's their overall stance? < 1285363375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think they're trying to break the laws of thermodynamics < 1285363382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in a less crackpottish way < 1285363411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a non-crackpottish way of getting around thermodynamics? < 1285363414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found a printout from Canada < 1285363418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said less crackpottish < 1285363419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a motor of some gravity < 1285363421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not non-crackpottish < 1285363466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.free-energy.ws/ ;; website of one of the editors < 1285363470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this website, I will NOT be presenting any perpetual motion machines, futuristic ZPE technologies, or impossible inventions that break the Laws of Physics. What I will be talking about are technologies that tap into Natural Sources of energy in the environment and convert them into useful forms of energy for heat, light, and motive power. < 1285363483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, they refer to some gravity machine type dealies as at least "interesting" on the wiki, if dismissing them all... < 1285363489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's actually pretty sane. < 1285363500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically renewable energy research. < 1285363506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who defines what is a natural source and what isn't? < 1285363506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's one member. and that's his site < 1285363524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a natural resource is a resource we didn't produce. < 1285363532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was difficult! < 1285363548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically _all_ useful ones... < 1285363554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "I'm a firm believer in the idea that gravity and centrifugal force can be harnessed to produce an energy gain" he said. "The question is, has Chalkalis accomplished this yet or not?" -- that guy < 1285363555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity motors look like crackpotish to me? < 1285363556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1285363565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so yeah, they're basically on the outskirts. < 1285363567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah. Not so sane. < 1285363576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, this doesn't work, duh; ...but, you know, it could..." < 1285363582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gravityassistedpower.com/ < 1285363585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1285363643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The Internet has been abuzz with an article that came out in a British newspaper, Somerset, announcing that an inventor in Wells "has put together a machine he claims is the first step in creating free energy from perpetual motion." < 1285363643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish people wouldn't describe free energy devices in this way. The energy is coming from somewhere. Just because the inventor or reviewer doesn't know where it is coming from, doesn't mean it's "perpetual motion." If anything, the best a "perpetual motion" machine could do it keep going, not produce excess power – unless it is harnessing that power from the environment somehow.]] < 1285363665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://gravityassistedpower.com/ <-- that one doesn't seem to claim to break thermodynamics < 1285363674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Best_Exotic_Clean_Energy_Technologies < 1285363684 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, saw that. < 1285363691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Alpha_Omega_Galaxy_Freefall_Generator_(AOGFG) < 1285363703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite a good read, really, just to look at all the close-misses < 1285363707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as long as you don't trust what they say :) < 1285363722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine the only other reviews of such devices are written by other people just as crackpottish < 1285363727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which obviously isn't very helpful < 1285363750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Chalkalis machine is ridiculous. < 1285363769 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly confident I could pick it apart with high-school level mechanics. < 1285363779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about harnessing vacuum energy? Probably a crackpottish idea bit it looks like it just *might* have a tiny chance of getting around thermodynamics < 1285363782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is that? < 1285363796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, devil's advocado: the world doesn't work according to high-school mechanics < 1285363811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't see how it gets around thermodynamics < 1285363822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm, maybe not < 1285363831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, but you can't engineer around them with some struts and wheels. < 1285363831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the upper limit of the cosmological constant physicists[1] have calculated the vacuum energy in a cubic centimeter of free space to be one trillionth of an erg. However, in both Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) and Stochastic Electrodynamics (SED), consistency with the principle of Lorentz invariance and with the magnitude of the Planck Constant requires it to have a much larger value of 10^107 Joules per cubic centimeter or 10^113 Joules per cubic mete < 1285363831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r. < 1285363859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn the different units < 1285363871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285363875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not a lot of power anyway < 1285363878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha google can convert it < 1285363885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the amount of energy in a cubic meter < 1285363887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of vacuum < 1285363892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is between 10^-13 joules and 10^113 joules < 1285363906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 trillionth of an erg per cubic centimeter in joules per cubic meter" < 1285363909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that narrows it down. < 1285363909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see some clean-energy plans that would hinge on unsigned quantities and wraparound; that sounds much more realistic to me. < 1285363909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google actually understands this < 1285363910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is quite a huge range < 1285363913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how awesome is that < 1285363914 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back of old computer: http://i.imgur.com/DOXWb.jpg < 1285363921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and 10^113 is extremely large < 1285363922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even more specific than Graham's proof! < 1285363927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it depends on what you think of QED < 1285363928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285363941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't know. :P < 1285363953 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will blowing on it be enough? < 1285363960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also what about the cosmological constant? < 1285363960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need to get a vacuum? < 1285363965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why should I trust that more < 1285364006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has that got to do with anything? < 1285364013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: blowing it will push it /in/ < 1285364014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes Vorpal and alise < 1285364023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, when it's opened < 1285364033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a vacuum < 1285364044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what has that got to do with anything? <--- because you quoted it < 1285364055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Using the upper limit of the cosmological constant physicists[1] have calculated the vacuum energy in a cubic centimeter [...]" < 1285364083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and i also quoted the bit that says QED contradicts it < 1285364093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it depends on your position of QED < 1285364125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do I need to get a vacuum? <-- um, vacuum? Not in a computer. Compressed air is probably a better idea. Well on the back there would be no issues. And probably you want a vacuum a bit away so you don't get all that in your lungs < 1285364145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and on your position on the cosmological constant < 1285364147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, disaster movies based on some physicist experiment that pokes a vacuum, accidentally underflows some variable, and releases 2^(2^(2^16))) units of energy. Though I guess that might be a short movie.) < 1285364162 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a can of compressed air, but don't know how much is in it < 1285364163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1285364172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285364176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, well, I would vacuum the back of the computer first < 1285364177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuum in a computer won't be too horrible < 1285364189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285364190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1285364191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside it? < 1285364194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid < 1285364198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1285364198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the outside < 1285364201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vacuum on a computer < 1285364203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo made me look stupid :D < 1285364236 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once used a vacuum on a keyboard and it ate three keys; silly loose keycaps. < 1285364255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what I would do when I opened it, would be to keep a vacuum cleaner running some 20 cm away or such, then use compressed air on the components. I would not want to breath that stuff in, and the vacuum cleaner a bit back should take care of that < 1285364271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuum the outside though, that should work fine, just mind the connectors < 1285364273 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the school district, we used to vacuum the insides of computers with a special vacuum < 1285364300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I leave it as is, will it catch fire? < 1285364302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, _if_ that was a good idea then I like to point out the key word "special" < 1285364327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clean it anyway, I don't know if it will catch fire < 1285364331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you clean computers anyway < 1285364335 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't leave them like that < 1285364345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't let them get that dusty in the first place < 1285364353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I blow on it instead of compressed air < 1285364354 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1285364385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you want saliva on the PCBs? < 1285364391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad idea < 1285364429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, even without saliva, air breathed out is rather wet < 1285364435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1285364440 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-117-101.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285364483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you need to stop assuming Sgeo means the "sane" thing when he asks something ambiguous. Generally he don't :P < 1285364493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this was the second time today < 1285364531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't < 1285364540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah typo < 1285364557 0 :trinithis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285364564 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to be clear, this imbicility only applies to actual hardware..ness < 1285364585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, which is bad enough < 1285364586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fully competent when it comes to software.. I think < 1285364715 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285364881 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285364942 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285365000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dude. PSOX. < 1285365023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think PSOX's biggest problem was marketing < 1285365039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overzealous marketing < 1285365066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v fortune-cookie-db - < 1285365066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v fortune-coookie-db - < 1285365074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and terrible architecture < 1285365087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1285365114 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285365116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, too BF-specific < 1285365123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : v fortune-coookie-db - <-- ? < 1285365154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: from "aptitude search fortune" < 1285365162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah. < 1285365163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ sudo aptitude install fortune-mod fortunes-min fortunes fortunes-off fortunes-bofh-excuses fortunes-spam < 1285365168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay thats very strange < 1285365173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coookie? < 1285365182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have no idea :D < 1285365194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67E-_SQLVRo < 1285365211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^not a Fine Structure spoiler < 1285365281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is one a transitional package or something? < 1285365291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some name added accidentally in 1994 < 1285365294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kept for upgrade compatibility < 1285365297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v so virtual < 1285365299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so provided by another < 1285365306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1285365311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No current or candidate version found for fortune-coookie-db < 1285365311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Package: fortune-coookie-db < 1285365311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :State: not a real package < 1285365311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Provided by: fortunes-spam < 1285365312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well both were virtual < 1285365330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortune-cookie-db is provided by all the packages < 1285365332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including localised < 1285365339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's "has at least one cookie db" < 1285365373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285365419 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one fell for my trap? < 1285365438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ fortune -o < 1285365438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My haircut is totally traditional! < 1285365445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... so offensive... < 1285365484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the theme is so terrible < 1285365486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sounds like noise < 1285365516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need to take a lesson from the experts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVp-zIONsrs < 1285365526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in children's cartoons < 1285365532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s theme songs < 1285365538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 's english theme songs < 1285365690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, our work-workstations have "fortune -o" returning "No fortunes found"; they've installed only "fortune-min", not the offensives. < 1285365708 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1285365716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortune isn't installed at school < 1285365774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't want to encourage such frivolity. < 1285365780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu should just detect webcams, right? < 1285365795 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285365831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same sense that everything should just work, right. < 1285366009 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's not working < 1285366052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortune -o is strangely compelling... < 1285366057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the neverhood works in wine < 1285366073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, any quotes on evolution seem to be in it. < 1285366081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This annoys me immensely. < 1285366103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just wants to read the fortunes online < 1285366116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ fortune -o < 1285366116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly a pure science, history is closer to animal husbandry than it is to < 1285366116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematics, in that it involves selective breeding. The principal difference < 1285366116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the husbandryman and the historian is that the former breeds sheep < 1285366116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cows or such, and the latter breeds (assumed) facts. The husbandryman uses < 1285366117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his skills to enrich the future; the historian uses his to enrich the past. < 1285366119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are usually up to their ankles in bullshit. < 1285366121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Tom Robbins < 1285366161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ fortune -o < 1285366161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: What do you call a dog with no legs? < 1285366161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: What does it matter? He can't come anyway. < 1285366165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was funnier when i interpreted that sexually < 1285366184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(listed after it, elided to not flood: [I've got a dog with no legs -- I call him Cigarette. / Every night, I take him out for a drag. Ed.]) < 1285366202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it has all religion-sensitive things marked as potentially offensive < 1285366209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ fortune -o < 1285366209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call Christianity the one great curse, the one enormous and innermost < 1285366209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perversion, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are < 1285366209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too venomous, too underhand, too underground and too petty -- I call it < 1285366209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one immortal blemish of mankind. < 1285366210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Fredrich Nietzsche < 1285366212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for obvious reasons < 1285366219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now this one: < 1285366221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ fortune -o < 1285366221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Surely investigation is better than unthinking faith. < 1285366222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Surely reason is a better guide than fear." < 1285366224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Robert G. Ingersoll, "The < 1285366226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Liberty of Man, Woman and Child"] < 1285366228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's* funny < 1285366228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fortunes.cat-v.org/ < 1285366230 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuh < 1285366236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: uuh? < 1285366238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1285366245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see Debian there < 1285366248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this an old site < 1285366256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1285366257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's uriel's < 1285366274 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat section would the stuff that Ubuntu has be? < 1285366279 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels weird saying has be < 1285366283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them. try the freebsd one < 1285366288 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pared down bit. < 1285366295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunes is alright, I think. < 1285366311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they're on the long side < 1285366319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fortune-mod fortunes-min fortunes fortunes-off fortunes-bofh-excuses fortunes-spam < 1285366321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets you all the good stuff < 1285366323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the english stuff, that is < 1285366338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fortunes.cat-v.org/kernelnewbies/ ;; this has a lot of Torvalds snarkiness < 1285366347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For those of you in the reseller business, here is a helpful tip that will < 1285366347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :save your support staff a few hours of precious time. Before you send your < 1285366348 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next machine out to an untrained client, change the permissions on /etc/passwd < 1285366348 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to 666 and make sure there is a copy somewhere on the disk. Now when they < 1285366348 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget the root password, you can easily login as an ordinary user and correct < 1285366348 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the damage. Having a bootable tape (for larger machines) is not a bad idea < 1285366350 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either. If you need some help, give us a call." < 1285366357 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someday, someone is going to do that < 1285366407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What, you don't recommend fortunes-ubuntu-server? :p < 1285366415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This package provides a set of tips on using Ubuntu server, in a fortune database format." < 1285366417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would pass that! < 1285366427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There's an Ubuntu tips one, too. < 1285366438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I prefer to have fortune(1) always spew out a waste of time. :-) < 1285366447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If fortune ever makes you more productive, it's failing at its job. < 1285366501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limericks are terribly crass :) < 1285366504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ fortune -o < 1285366504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a young girl in Berlin < 1285366504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who eked out a living through sin. < 1285366504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : She didn't mind fucking, < 1285366504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But much preferred sucking, < 1285366505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And she'd wipe off the pricks on her chin. < 1285366542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ fortune -o < 1285366542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tourist to New Yorker: < 1285366542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Pardon me, sir, do you know what time it is, or should I < 1285366542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : just go fuck myself?" < 1285366566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ fortune -o < 1285366566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NATHAN ... your PARENTS were in a CARCRASH!! They're VOIDED -- They < 1285366566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COLLAPSED They had no CHAINSAWS ... They had no MONEY MACHINES ... They < 1285366566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did PILLS in SKIMPY GRASS SKIRTS ... Nathan, I EMULATED them ... but < 1285366566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were OFF-KEY ... < 1285366567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll stop now < 1285366825 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1285366833 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-5-248.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285366835 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that in this FreeBSD stuff < 1285366843 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285366981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's not the same file. deal < 1285366996 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to see the file online somewhere :/ < 1285367279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[As a result of earlier unauthorized sales to civilians, the Department of Defense requires that < 1285367279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U.S. Government Property, Commercial Resale is Unlawful < 1285367279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be printed on each case of MREs.[10] Despite the disclaimer, there are no laws that forbid the resale of MREs.]] < 1285367296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do the army really print "Commercial resale is unlawful" on an item that can be legally commercially resold? < 1285367297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REALLY? < 1285367342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: They're morons, yes. < 1285367376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Isn't printing such a ridiculously and blatantly false statement illegal too? OH WAIT IT'S THE GOVERNMENT :P < 1285367404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it's not illegal to lie. < 1285367561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1285367570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And I guess it doesn't really fall under false advertising or whatever... < 1285367579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this is where you tell me "Actually, false advertising is perfectly legal in the US!". < 1285367690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Are you familiar with Fox News? < 1285367710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really advertising? < 1285367721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name suggests it's "news", and thus true. < 1285367729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair and Balanced. < 1285367731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They got sued for false advertising because of that, and won the case. < 1285367743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's meant to be illegal, then? < 1285367764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *meant* to be illegal to do false advertising, yes. < 1285367770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's that. < 1285367783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a civil matter, and our courts are fucked up as hell. < 1285367797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillarbox ;; didn't know these had names < 1285367943 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** System shutdown message from root *** < 1285367943 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System going down in 60 seconds < 1285367951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel#Obama_administration_criticism_of_Fox_News < 1285367951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^just a mean thing to put in a fortune < 1285368072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't think you realise just how very bad Fox News *is*. < 1285368079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I do. < 1285368083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe me I do. < 1285368105 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285368113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, you guys also have Murdoch. < 1285368124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least nobody actually trusts The Sun. < 1285368131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ... apart from people who read The Sun. < 1285368137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they mostly read it for the tits. < 1285368144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure all of them can actually read. < 1285368172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas here people actually trust Fox as their only source of news. < 1285368180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine if your world view was defined by the Sun. < 1285368183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I need help; my brain is auto-designing a VCS. Stop it. < 1285368199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, there are many people who have their world view defined by the Daily Mail < 1285368202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty damn bad < 1285368258 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAA < 1285368297 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285368307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: FOX NEWS HAS SAID THAT MISTER ROGERS RUINED AMERICA. < 1285368310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HONEST TO GOD. < 1285368325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1285368335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joybubbles v. Fox News < 1285368340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fought with giant mechas < 1285368341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He apparently gave kids a "sense of entitlement". < 1285368345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone get the anime series commissioned for that < 1285368410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In case you're unaware: Mr. Rogers is probably the least evil man to have walked the earth.) < 1285368426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, will you be my neighbour? < 1285368432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Mr rogers? < 1285368433 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or neighbor or however it's spelled here? < 1285368437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes. < 1285368443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I'm answering instead of pikhq. < 1285368444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, who is that < 1285368447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Neighbor or neighbour are both valid, I think. < 1285368455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You... I... What? < 1285368455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq can't speak right now because i said so. < 1285368462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YOU ARE AMERICAN < 1285368467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Bwsweep.jpg < 1285368470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the winner of the ultimate showdown. < 1285368478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Vorpal: YOU ARE AMERICAN < 1285368484 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :226| Vorpal: YOU ARE AMERICAN < 1285368486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newest entry in the "blatantly factually inaccurate quotes" series. < 1285368497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hah. < 1285368512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, MR ROGERS IS EVIL‽ < 1285368514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking memory, making me forget he's not American. < 1285368515 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am skilled at computer hardware repair < 1285368521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE IN < 1285368527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FLOWERS < 1285368534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, my worldview is falling apart! < 1285368535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sweden, America; what's the difference? < 1285368544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am skilled at computer hardware repair < 1285368546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno. < 1285368553 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ais will be announcing the spec for Feather any time soon! < 1285368556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: He did a children's TV show on PBS for 50 years. < 1285368561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HURD will be usable! < 1285368588 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, when people stole his car, they gave it back when they realised it was him. *With the petrol tank filled.* < 1285368604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Forth Bridge will be painted! < 1285368607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey, Debian/kHURD boots GNOME. < 1285368608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And a letter of apology. < 1285368609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, properly. < 1285368618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor runs it on his laptop, I think, or did at one point, for the hell of it. < 1285368628 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285368631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was terribly unstable. < 1285368635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Debian/kHURD on Itanium... I'd like that. < 1285368639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, it has no USB support, :P < 1285368653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can believe in that. < 1285368662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*support :P < 1285368843 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I never ran it out of a VM. < 1285368855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: For giggles I once had that VM as my "primary" interface for a short bit. < 1285368863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was still a VM :P < 1285368865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like me and Windows 95! < 1285368917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pity DOS doesn't multitask. It'd be amusing to spend a couple hours with DOS as my primary interface. :P < 1285368924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TSR IRC < 1285368943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I doubt very highly that that exists :P < 1285368952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Waaaiiiittt a second. Windows 3.1 can run Win32 programs. < 1285368958 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you could probably use $NAME_OF_THAT_ONE_ARACHNID_THEMED_WEB_BROWSER_HERE. < 1285368958 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desqview dammit < 1285368960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could maybe run Opera on Windows 3.1 < 1285368962 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. < 1285368964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine; tweak with the kernel to insert IRC code into each interrupt. < 1285368966 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It can run Win32s programs. < 1285369033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, distinctions < 1285369072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a small distinction. < 1285369981 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285370069 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285370256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, if I were to write a substantial text adventure, would it be best if it was written in: a) Inform (compiled to Z5); b) assembly language; c) C; or d) an esolang? < 1285370276 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could use guidance here. < 1285370305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e) You should invent your own interactive fiction language! < 1285370311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Inform 6 or 7? < 1285370319 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1285370325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: But 7 is fun! In a scary kind of way. < 1285370332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has made a text adventure language < 1285370334 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inventing my own language also occurred to me < 1285370335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can predict the answer < 1285370341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAVSYS or something < 1285370342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TADVSYS? < 1285370361 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh -- i thought that was something he had extended, like Enhanced CWEB < 1285370394 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only remember it is related to forth somehow. so yes that actually makes more sense. < 1285370402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /may/ be an extended TADS < 1285370517 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly there is no good answer to this. therefore my masterpiece of interactive fiction will as yet go unwritten. < 1285370647 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285370707 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. actually, I'll eliminate b) and d). whatever cool factor might be obtained from either, would be fine, but would not be the objective. < 1285370733 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, once my dad wakes up, I'll vacuum, open comp, compressed air, put HD in < 1285370739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find it on ZZO38COMPUTER < 1285370743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's gopher-only < 1285370749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why wait for your dad < 1285370761 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, because I don't know where the compressed air is < 1285370766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so search for it < 1285370785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll probably tell you the compressed air will give your computer viruses. < 1285370792 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, he's not that dumb < 1285370818 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And afaict, he's actually reasonably competent when it comes to computer hardware < 1285370901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just search for it yourself < 1285371201 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285371483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Dewey decimal class just for induction. < 1285371488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the logic section. < 1285371525 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/tavsys/ < 1285371566 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I try to make most files accessible over the internet to use all applicable protocols. (There are some that are only sensible on one protocol) < 1285371584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No links to it though. < 1285371587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: There's your answer. < 1285371617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: .tav is a binary file? < 1285371626 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard adventure game library is not created much yet (it is not available yet), but you can write your own library (and then INCLUDE it) < 1285371628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCLUDE :oasys.4th INCLUDE ESCAPE < 1285371630 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, .tav is a binary file. < 1285371635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that actually an interpreter for another adventure game system? < 1285371657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've converted a game with a vaguely C-ish/Perlish syntax into your Forth-based system just by writing a library for it? < 1285371661 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the file oasys.4th is an interpreter for another adventure game system. < 1285371674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ^^^ < 1285371674 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And yes, I have done that just by writing a library for it. < 1285371695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/tavsys/lib/oasys.4th < 1285371698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it so short? < 1285371712 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is not even an ordinary library, it treats the *binaries* from OASYS as source code!! < 1285371750 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. i see it. this is fascinating. < 1285371785 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Because it is short. My question is why other programs are so long! < 1285371808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And it is not even an ordinary library, it treats the *binaries* from OASYS as source code!! < 1285371809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that is awesome. < 1285371846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you got an example of an actual game in pure tavsys? < 1285371861 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what forth would be needed to build/bootstrap this? < 1285371905 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You only need a C compiler (unless you have Windows, in which case you don't even need that). < 1285371950 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no example of an actual game in pure TAVSYS sorry. (Except for a sokoban game, but that isn't a text adventure game) < 1285372000 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Actually if you don't have windows, you also need to modify it to work on your operating system (the Glk startup code requires changes for each operating system it is ported to). < 1285372003 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. finally found the C source. < 1285372107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'N bjd s ' tp' 'f wrtng sstm 'n whch 'ch smbl 'lws 'r 'slly' stnds fr ' cnsnnt; th' rdr mst sppl' th' 'pprprt' vwl. < 1285372137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A sokoban game would work. < 1285372182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' skbn gm' wld wrk. < 1285372221 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://sprunge.us/iSCa < 1285372259 0 :Gol!~gol@109.125.130.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285372263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Thnk ' vr' mch. < 1285372265 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloooo < 1285372280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 'T 's 'n 'ntrstng sstm. < 1285372288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gol: Hll'. < 1285372296 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi slide < 1285372306 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry alise < 1285372320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* slide :Nickname is already in use. < 1285372321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ww. < 1285372338 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh < 1285372344 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever made more modifications to the C codes of TAVSYS, I might convert the codes to Enhanced CWEB. < 1285372347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trnng 'Nglsh 'nt' 'n 'bjd 's ' pn. < 1285372359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' m' stp dng 't. < 1285372385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Cn ' 'ndrstnd m' mssgs? < 1285372392 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhh wwhat kinda language u people are talkin < 1285372401 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: all except "'bjd" < 1285372419 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'l 'xpt < 1285372434 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'xcpt? < 1285372436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gol: Mnspk. < 1285372443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gol: It is an esoteric code. < 1285372443 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I see its computer language < 1285372447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps us gain enlightenment. < 1285372450 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okkk < 1285372455 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I can understand a little bit but not much sorry < 1285372459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use it to further our self-stabbing endeavours. < 1285372462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What brings you here, Gol? < 1285372467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it's computers, we do that too.) < 1285372478 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cant undrestand any of this < 1285372480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 'xcpt, ys. < 1285372492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gol: That is perfectly fine. Would you like to be initiated? < 1285372501 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont know i just joined the room < 1285372516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gol: Okay. What brings you here, Disciple? < 1285372519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, we do computers on the side. < 1285372523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like fries with a fast-food order. < 1285372529 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loooool < 1285372554 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gol: We do a lot of stuff in here, but the topic is esoteric programming language. But, it is not always on topic < 1285372572 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhha i see < 1285372595 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goood luck anyway < 1285372599 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285372615 0 :Gol!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285372626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vrl', ' wll frthrmr' spk 'n ths tng'. < 1285372638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'T kps th' nwbs 'w'. < 1285372716 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! crazy network! < 1285372764 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285372767 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just lost my journal post for that and have rewritten it < 1285372770 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck