< 1285113602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I would excuse the calculator on the grounds that everyone does it that way it seems < 1285113607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are doing a CAS < 1285113620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you don't try to emulate a calculator < 1285113641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but here's the thing: the menu/interface type thing is the normal UI convention on Windows. Except for the things that decide "fuck you". < 1285113652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285113663 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of which are Microsfot things. < 1285113667 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not ALL Microsfot things. < 1285113668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think the only UI-abusing Windows application that's actually got it right is Chrome. < 1285113693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Probably. It actually doesn't feel like it's abusing the UI at all. < 1285113696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do games get away with it < 1285113701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no one complains < 1285113712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, hate Chrome's UI. < 1285113727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because those run effectively single-tasked as the sole program on the system. < 1285113735 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1285113752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm most have pretty extreme UIs though < 1285113761 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they're not integrated into the system. < 1285113768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1285113772 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not an application in that you don't multitask with them. < 1285113772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mines is consistent I guess < 1285113779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're like a reboot. < 1285113784 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the reboot. < 1285113794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you don't know how I play then < 1285113808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always play windowed and pause if anything interesting happens on irc < 1285113814 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, night → < 1285113996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285114129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you are also boring. < 1285114133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hate fun. < 1285114144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Consultant #1, get your ass over to #mitosis. < 1285114150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby consult you on this matter. < 1285114562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You are violating your contract. < 1285114679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1285114684 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor 0.94 was released < 1285114909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really wish slava died before he could invent factor. < 1285114917 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here played world of goo? < 1285114922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it sounds fun enough to play sometime < 1285114957 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just finished the demo < 1285114963 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering pirating the rest >.> < 1285114999 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285115019 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels a very, very strong urge to teach Haskell to someone
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ACTION hugs Sgeo
< 1285115845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: teach it to me. < 1285115850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've suffered from amnesia < 1285115983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First thing to know: Functions are not like functions in most languages. Functions in Haskell only depend on arguments. So addition, (+). 1 + 1 is always two. All functions in Haskell behave like this < 1285116014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't have a function that returns a random number < 1285116022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have a function that reads input < 1285116023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1285116054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell does have a way of dealing with this, but first, we should learn about types < 1285116065 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he's saying is, there are not procedures without monads < 1285116076 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285116081 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I/O type iirc < 1285116100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, alise doesn't actually not know this stuff < 1285116109 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E just wants to see if I have any teaching ability < 1285116126 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm critiquing it to align more with your audience :D < 1285116149 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this crowd prefers mathematical rigor, i think < 1285116174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, actually < 1285116176 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. please continue. < 1285116198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was already 99% sure you had no teaching ability, like almost everyone else including me, because teaching is really hard and not many people can do it at all < 1285116200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saving someone else < 1285116283 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, things in Haskell have types. However, the type system in Haskell is more elaborate than in, say, C++ < 1285116306 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol <3 alise < 1285116328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, it's hard for me to do this over IRC < 1285116338 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually not such a bad teacher, but i know that this is not a good environment for the teaching < 1285116340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of want to be in front of the person, demonstrating syntax stuff < 1285116341 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what sgeo said < 1285116373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you feel like you're teaching well you probably aren't :p < 1285116383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you in general, not just specific-you < 1285116427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax: a :: Sometype means that a has Sometype. Unlike many statically-typed languages, you often don't need to write types out < 1285116437 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must have high standards for the teaching < 1285116439 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type of 'a' is Char < 1285116452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have GHCi open, type :t 'a' < 1285116460 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think of a teacher as no more than a guide to point a student in directions of interest < 1285116544 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings, delimited with "", like "this", are of type [Char] < 1285116554 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Char] means a list of Chars < 1285116610 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can also be written as String. String is, in fact, a synonym for [Char]. It's easy to define your own synonyms for types < 1285116664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers are a bit different. < 1285116673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try :t 5 < 1285116674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, my day job's teaching Java < 1285116680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have to do it all by myself < 1285116693 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll see the type is (Num a) => a < 1285116697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and personally, I think it's an awful choice for a first language to learn) < 1285116711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my other day job is more interesting < 1285116733 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: agreed. but what are your usual methods? < 1285116740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, what this means is that within the stuff to the right of the =>, a is in the Num class. Don't worry about what this means just yet. < 1285116752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.out.println's used quite a lot while you're learning < 1285116761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I deliberately misinterpreted your question? < 1285116773 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you? < 1285116775 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only you can know that < 1285116792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I may have deliberately tried to misinterpret it, but accidentally interpreted it correctly < 1285116818 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a useful answer, but not exactly what i was looking for no < 1285116827 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking more along the line of how you interact with the students < 1285116830 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what level < 1285116841 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to manage the process/plan etc. < 1285116845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking tutorial classes, and marking work < 1285116851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the main teacher for the course < 1285116861 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1285116870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the most teaching done during the marking, because the student is there and you can explain the things they got wrong to them one-on-one < 1285117007 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1285117013 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the part i like < 1285117066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Syntax: a :: Sometype means that a has Sometype. Unlike many statically-typed languages, you often don't need to write types out < 1285117067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true < 1285117081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a :: t) at the top level declares a to have type t -- which, obviously, doesn't typecheck if a isn't actually of type t < 1285117092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as an expression, (a::t) coerces a to type t, if a can be coerced to type t < 1285117099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, 5 is (Num a) => a, but (5::Integer) works < 1285117116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1285117489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Flash player randomly crashing on me? < 1285117500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAGH OH MY GOD OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK < 1285117512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what < 1285117517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Texas recently ruled that proof of innocence is not a reason to give someone a new trial. < 1285117525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a technical mistake in a previous trial. < 1285117532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, really. < 1285117535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1285117544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have the death sentence. < 1285117547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^__^ < 1285117547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use it regularly. < 1285117554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Really, the only cure is #mitosis. < 1285117561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which from, I now depart. < 1285117562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1285117562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Texicide. < 1285117563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1285117564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285117580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, linky? < 1285117614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry. *US SUPREME COURT* < 1285117619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-c-fathi/shouldnt-innocence-matter_b_298507.html < 1285117627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285117648 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to sign up for the GOP newsletter < 1285117675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to get some balance in my email reading material, see if it's as nutty as I'm imagining < 1285117716 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285117733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Keep in mind they support a man who claims that Bush torturing innocent people was not cruel & unusual punishment because they were innocent and therefore it was not punishment. < 1285117748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may now have your head asplode. < 1285117777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, are they merely trying to say that on some technical level, it was legally ok, but not necessarily morally? < 1285117798 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285117802 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1285117813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, they are saying that he is innocent but was charged in a "fair trial" and, as such, he shall be put to death. < 1285117829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. Sorry. Different context. < 1285117844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They are saying that it was legally OK and they don't even *care* about the morals. < 1285117856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TERRORISTS THEREFORE NO MORALS" < 1285117859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest to god. < 1285117977 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285117991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand there shall be no repeal of DADT coming, because the Republicans are willing to fillibuster the defense authorization bill to do so. < 1285118002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the bill that keeps the military going for another year) < 1285118616 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285118682 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, it should not have been in the defense authorization bill, imo < 1285118734 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it in the omnibus, why not? < 1285118834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's de facto the omnibus "everything to do with the military" bill, and has been for ages. < 1285118848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it shouldn't be there, but it's not like it's some bizarre politicing. < 1285118853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just retarded tradition. < 1285118880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose it never gets passed. < 1285118882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens? < 1285118891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The military stops. < 1285119146 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285119281 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285119292 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285119302 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1285119307 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1285119318 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285119389 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... omg. Yes. Awesome X-D < 1285119423 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1285119454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filibustering the defense authorization bill. < 1285119467 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1285119521 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to listen to some behavior < 1285119790 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285120769 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have been concluded that if DADT is repealed, the US troops in Afghanistan will instantly drop their weapons (and drawers) and have a whole-country gay orgy. < 1285120813 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurray! < 1285120860 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many republicans do we need to assassinate to make that happen? < 1285120882 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we just took out the filibusterer, would there be enough confusion in the following moments to get it through? < 1285120913 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, that would just get the legislation back on the table. < 1285120932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Whole-country gay orgy would certainly be an improvement. < 1285120964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that would be what DADT would cause, if I were Obama, I would immediately order a whole-country gay orgy after signing the bill. < 1285120971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've chosen my innuendo-words more carefully, as they will most certainly not be /dropping/ their weapons :P < 1285121023 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their rifles or their guns? < 1285121063 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk < 1285121163 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel sorry for the women in this campaign. their gay orgy won't be as big :/ < 1285121211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it shall be hot. < 1285121570 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1285122117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the fact that mmap is crazy-slow here is just because it is, or because I'm running this on qemu-system-arm ... < 1285122150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is probably up. < 1285122302 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmapping 64MB = crazy-slow. < 1285122330 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running these tests (that mmap three 64MB regions) takes 14 seconds. < 1285122860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's absolutely bizarre. < 1285122881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap should take not very long. < 1285122889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a matter of rewriting the page table, after all. < 1285122933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess that qemu-system-arm has its own, retarded, implementation of mmap. < 1285123285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably. < 1285123293 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try extracting the binary and running it under qemu-arm < 1285123417 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, runs great on qemu-arm. < 1285123421 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just qemu-system-arm. < 1285123436 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300ms on qemu-arm, 14sec on qemu-system-arm :P < 1285123444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about right. < 1285123468 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And 170ms native) < 1285123865 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285123867 0 :augur_!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285123890 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285123913 0 :Gracenotes_!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285123918 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1285124137 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285124607 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a completely general funge interpreter out there? where dimension, delta-v=instruction correspondences and wrapping functions are all specified in a config file? and implements the spec completely? < 1285124646 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I sent someone a friend request < 1285124664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, in the stream it shows that she (and other people) are attending events < 1285124670 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a little bit unsettling < 1285124733 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before she accepted? < 1285124801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1285124807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, she hasn't accepted yet < 1285124826 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe she doesn't have her events set to hide from friends of friends < 1285124857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too, I guess < 1285124945 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285124966 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone answer my question? < 1285125135 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285126198 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, the "Not now" thing is implemented < 1285126215 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know of one, but the fungers all seem to be offline. < 1285126535 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who does that leave? < 1285127374 0 :sshc_!~sshc@174-19-187-23.bois.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285127376 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285127376 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1285127526 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285130760 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: me, by myself :/ < 1285130814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOO! < 1285130835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ąįųęǫ! < 1285130861 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHH SCARY! < 1285130870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, i have no idea about your question. well actually i _vaguely_ recall someone mentioning something but no idea what it was called) < 1285130872 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, i didn't realize i was sitting on the woodwork < 1285130924 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285131403 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1285132691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285132812 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285132825 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Ubuntu: PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE AN UNSTABLE PIECE OF SHIT! < 1285132856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer my pieces of shit stable. < 1285133023 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285133029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we all < 1285133321 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a more solid argument is just more solid bullshit < 1285134298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1285134496 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if an SD card can be made bootable? < 1285134613 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285135447 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No reason why not, bootable on what? < 1285135449 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard PC? < 1285135465 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your PC can USB-boot, and you have a USB SD card reader, it can SD-boot. < 1285135506 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285135509 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured out as much < 1285135525 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my external card reader can be made to boot, but not the onboard one < 1285135530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough for me < 1285135581 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285135678 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer will only boot from USB maybe 1/20th of the time < 1285135736 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo < 1285135974 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ih < 1285136209 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285136734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, don't forget to breathe < 1285137175 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285137218 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: soup < 1285137268 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nmuch < 1285137294 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1285137407 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285137418 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the urtext of mozart's sonatas as a present < 1285137430 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and printed a go board to put on my bathroom door < 1285137447 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got some mooncake for the midautumn festival < 1285137462 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got a notice from the landlord reminding that marijuana is illegal < 1285137485 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't growing any are you? < 1285137498 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not atm < 1285137510 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you even have a backyard? < 1285137539 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm assuming by the fact that your landlord bothers to point this out that you don't have the power to grow it in the basement < 1285137542 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1285138454 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285138728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285138764 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285139050 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-147.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285139776 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands everyone awake a beer on a floppy disk coaster
< 1285139793 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are expected not to drink it if you are not of legal age in your place of residence < 1285140612 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1285141837 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285142399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1285142400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1285143106 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285143993 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285145614 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285145984 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285146159 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1285147177 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285152014 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285152350 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1285152351 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285152351 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285154632 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1285157360 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285159120 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1285159148 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a monad < 1285160455 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285160674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1285162329 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285162831 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285163024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is a monad < 1285163026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1285163212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very abstract concept which apparently cannot be understood by most people (even programmers) immediately by any means whatsoever, whether by the strict definition (in haskell _or_ even worse the original category theory), lame analogies with burritos, or heaps of examples. however if you combine all three and stir for a long time, it _may_ eventually click for you. < 1285163271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION actually never had a problem with it, but then he already had a math phd when encountering them
< 1285163415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I thought it was a member of a people that travels from place to place to find fresh pasture for its animals, and has no permanent home. Or am I thinking of nomad here? < 1285163466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cue reddit pun thread < 1285163488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was too lazy to try to continue it
< 1285163516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad_(disambiguation) still has that "For Haskell Nomads, please see Monad (functional programming)" line. < 1285163554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to google for "no you are thinking of nomads" without luck
< 1285163656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no you are thinking of" site:reddit.com monad doesn't help either < 1285163679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there is a great reddit pun thread missing here < 1285163731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the other hand googling for "no you are thinking of" site:reddit.com may give you a hint of what i was expecting there) < 1285163870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even leaving out reddit doesn't help :( < 1285163964 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, you are thinking of an archivist. An anarchist is a violet variety of quartz often used in jewelry." < 1285163971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that sure sounds sensible. < 1285164066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1285164099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensible enough that i think i guessed what the next word is, anyway < 1285164344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh hobbit pun day < 1285165023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stands to reason you'd appreciate them especially. < 1285165268 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1285165325 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1285165755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tried in vain to predict the pun before the last panel
< 1285165869 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :panel panel < 1285165873 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plane < 1285165907 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lanpe < 1285165926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Panel is a land-locked mountainous country in Asia. < 1285165946 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biodiesel < 1285166010 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhabarbar < 1285166016 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cucumber < 1285166079 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1285166083 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last but not least < 1285166088 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supercalifragilisticexpialidocious < 1285166131 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285166134 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methionylglutaminylarginyltyros-ylglutamylserylleucylphen-ylalanylalanylglutaminylleucyllysylgl-utamylarginyllysylglutamylglycylalan-ylphenylalanylvalylprolyphenylalanY-lvalythreonylleucylglycylaspartylp-rolylglycylisoleucylglutamylglutam-inylsErylleucyllysylisoleucylasp-artylthreonylleucylIsoleucylglutam-ylalanylglycylalanylasparthlalanylleucy-lglutamylleucylglycylisoleucylprolylp-henylalanylseRylaspartylprolylleucylal-anylaspartylglycylpRolylthreOnyli < 1285166151 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 2k letters, sorry for spam < 1285166163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got cut off anyhow < 1285166238 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fear of long words -> Hippopotomonstrosequippeddaliophobia < 1285166280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that last one is correctly spelled < 1285166329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it makes sense anyhow < 1285166969 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1285166975 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285166975 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285167018 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285167983 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://ohyeahfacts.tumblr.com/post/1049794757/methionylglutaminylarginyltyros-ylglutamylserylleucylphe < 1285168453 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285169085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285169090 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285169447 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285169573 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-188-222.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285169589 0 :alisenix!5b6946b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.70.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285169596 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 57.122] (**) Chicony USB 2.0 Camera: Device: "/dev/input/event7" < 1285169597 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 57.125] (II) Chicony USB 2.0 Camera: Found keys < 1285169601 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 57.125] (II) Chicony USB 2.0 Camera: Configuring as keyboard < 1285169603 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, X! < 1285169745 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:08:53 Sgeo: Keep in mind they support a man who claims that Bush torturing innocent people was not cruel & unusual punishment because they were innocent and therefore it was not punishment. < 1285169747 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1285169782 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:28:11 The military stops. < 1285169784 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow really? < 1285169791 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a hilarious, hilarious day < 1285169873 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:03:27 is there a completely general funge interpreter out there? where dimension, delta-v=instruction correspondences and wrapping functions are all specified in a config file? and implements the spec completely? < 1285169877 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Language::Befunge does n-dimensional < 1285170397 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285170403 0 :alisenix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285170463 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@137.125.184.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285170470 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to cry < 1285170485 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu hates this school's wifi for some reason < 1285170493 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone works just fine < 1285170505 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows used to work just fine < 1285170566 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285170820 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.70.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285171293 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285172031 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285172056 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1285173926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep on thinking there's someone called Phoenix Arizona. < 1285174016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you, Americans < 1285174021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1285174047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well there _might_ be. nice way to be hard to google... < 1285175668 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285175921 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1285175922 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285175922 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285176075 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tell sgeon1 to use wicd < 1285176111 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A network configuration server? < 1285176150 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1285176165 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wicd is a wifi thing < 1285176184 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he has to install dhcpd for it because otherwise it's crap < 1285176216 0 :yoday!~Yoan@wireless-128-62-85-216.public.utexas.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285176237 0 :yoday!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285176786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1285176843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → things
< 1285176910 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s; < 1285176969 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's ais! :D < 1285177118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also he has to install dhcpd for it because otherwise it's crap <-- ipv6 supports stateless autoconfiguration *runs* < 1285177339 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, dhcpd is a dhcp toolkit that wicd can use < 1285177341 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to connect better < 1285177359 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it dhcpcd < 1285177361 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1285177427 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CC [M] drivers/md/raid6altivec1.o < 1285177427 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CC [M] drivers/md/raid6altivec2.o < 1285177428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1285177441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a x86-64 < 1285177444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a ppc < 1285177496 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1285177850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows XP Embedded with Service Pack 2 » applications windows < 1285177851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, exactly! < 1285177855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1285177871 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello alise < 1285177898 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check this out, i refactored this shitty app we're using to only 10% the size! < 1285177909 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, call that 2% < 1285177916 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i cool or wat? < 1285177975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is #ifdefed out < 1285177987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: wat < 1285178013 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes < 1285178040 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the code i refactored is shrunk from e.g. 100's of lines per method to 2-5 lines. < 1285178133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it do? < 1285178167 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a toxic waste and uranium transport management/stock keeping application < 1285178299 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He rewrote the whole thing as "return new Transfer(States::NewJersey);" < 1285178355 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285178377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: i doubt < 1285178390 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what do you doubt? < 1285178410 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it's reduced by that amount? < 1285178495 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i have no reason to lie. < 1285178511 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: in fact, i don't remember any time i'd had a reason to lie to anyone in here < 1285178524 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lie a lot to chicks i want to impress :p < 1285178538 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to people who are prospective sources of jobs :p < 1285178569 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1285178819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: i doubt it's a toxic waste and uranium transport management/stock keeping application < 1285178913 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well it is < 1285178920 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: why would you doubt that? < 1285178936 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something has to manage all that crap < 1285178941 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how much paperwork it is? < 1285178973 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1285178993 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an industrial zone then you have to have full documentation and catastrophe plans for every toxic agent that you use there < 1285179014 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the main points of this application's existance :D < 1285179073 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just autogenerating paperwork < 1285179124 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285179138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285179174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: oh, paperwork < 1285179183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant it actually handled that stuff < 1285179325 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285179413 0 :alise_!~alise@91.105.69.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285179511 0 :alise__!~alise@91.104.239.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285179594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285179666 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285180344 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: transport management and stock keeping < 1285180365 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: what else can you understand under 'handling uranium'? < 1285180369 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't run the reactor, no < 1285180373 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never said it did < 1285180380 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what else you could be thinking of < 1285180701 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: i meant, like < 1285180703 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1285180709 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some automated part of uranium handling :P < 1285181030 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xDD Windows XP "Embedded" Edition is 3 CDs < 1285181209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: I'm pretty sure that that's courtesy of having a lot of optional stuff. < 1285181235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't surprise me if it's got multiple compiled versions of programs for the sake of being able to take out features. < 1285181258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, kinda ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as you'd think. < 1285181270 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah: precisely. < 1285181277 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's why I'm downloading it. Remember MiniXP? < 1285181283 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about to get a whole fucking lot more mini. < 1285181299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1285181307 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: win xp PE is the best one i've found so far < 1285181342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: Gotta love having XP as an actually sane OS. < 1285181348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, somewhat sane. < 1285181354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still Win32, after all. < 1285181717 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: PE -- the pirate edition thing? < 1285181799 0 :zeotrope!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1128714036.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1285181814 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: performance edition < 1285181818 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there was only one PE < 1285181882 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was about or under 200 mb < 1285182040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, where can you find that embedded edition? < 1285182053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, and um, does that exist for any newer version? < 1285182067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all.... xp is kind of... not going to be supported for many years from now < 1285182210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Windows Embedded 2009. < 1285182219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is itself an updated version of XP Embedded. < 1285182251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP Embedded should be supported for a few years more, though. < 1285182298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *groan* < 1285182308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They made a Windows Embedded Standard 7. < 1285182318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is about 300MB. < 1285182326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facepalm. < 1285182435 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285182568 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1285182841 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which is itself an updated version of XP Embedded. <-- how fun < 1285182854 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, they've always got WinCE ;) < 1285182869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 300 MB is *way* smaller than full 7 Pro at least < 1285182876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which is about 7 GB for the install < 1285182887 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x86-64, never tried 32-bit version) < 1285182898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's smaller than Vista. < 1285182946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, way bigger than x64 XP though < 1285182957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, which iirc is about 2.1 GB < 1285182968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that ix x86-64, not 32-bit < 1285183488 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: yeah that one < 1285183490 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is so cooler < 1285183576 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: is that the one that replaced the explorer with the win95 one? :) < 1285183637 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1285183654 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't use the xp shell < 1285183662 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the "classic mode" < 1285183667 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. basically w2000 shell < 1285183679 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1285183782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ah, WinCE. An actual, legitimate embedded OS. < 1285185043 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also shit" < 1285185055 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: there's one -- pirate edition or something -- that actually removes IE completely < 1285185057 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the components < 1285185064 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and substitutes Win 95's explorer < 1285185074 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 98 onwards' explorer.exes require IE < 1285185186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could probably, alternately, substitute in ReactOS's explorer.exe. < 1285185209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now that it actually acts as a normal explorer.exe instead of a hacked up one) < 1285185423 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@137.125.178.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285185953 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nice! < 1285185957 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is there a download anywhere? < 1285185992 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what the standard method is in Ubuntu for scheduling a periodic task? < 1285185994 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like anacron < 1285186055 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrr? < 1285186086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285186121 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.foxplanet.de/explorer/ < 1285186132 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it always in that gross MDI view? < 1285186201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: That looks like the WINE fileman.exe, actually. < 1285186206 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285186212 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an old site for the reactos explorer, so < 1285186217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can do the more normal SDI view. < 1285186255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably in a CAB on the ReactOS install disk. < 1285186322 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: just check out the svn source :P < 1285186352 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D it runs in wine < 1285186380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should also build with Winelib. :P < 1285186390 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HAVE FUN WITH THAT < 1285186401 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets to SDI
< 1285186420 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lists no dir contents :) < 1285186447 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a bigger issue is that the desktop sucks < 1285186452 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i see no task bar < 1285186524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: It's probably running as just a file explorer, rather than the shell. < 1285186558 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1285186561 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave me a desktop < 1285186902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285187257 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frat Tom Hoover < 1285187273 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@166.196.185.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285187295 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the easiest way to check for damages wifi hardware? < 1285187298 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damaged < 1285187499 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285187506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the easiest way to test if the wifi hardware is damaged? < 1285187586 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That was a Consulting Order :P < 1285187698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PhatTom Hoover. < 1285187708 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lumenos' name for me, it seems.) < 1285187723 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you know what time Astronomy Picture of the Day updates? < 1285188138 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Q13: What if I used to be a millionaire but then I believed something I read on APOD and now own only a single dented bucket? < 1285188138 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A13: There are no guarantees. Use APOD information at your own risk." < 1285188194 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No seriously when does it update? < 1285188364 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285188402 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285188411 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1285188417 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know when Astronomy Picture of the Day updates? < 1285188480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I didn't even know it existed < 1285188486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems a plausible sort of thing to exist < 1285188836 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-244-36.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1285188895 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, it's NASA's < 1285188897 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been going since 1995 < 1285188923 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know what the simplest way to check if a Linux box has connected to the internet yet from a shell script? < 1285188936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't necessarily mean I had to know it existed < 1285188947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: ping something, or check DNS records for something on the Internet at large < 1285188957 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i was thinking more ifconfig :-) < 1285188958 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but interesting < 1285188960 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux linux uhuhuhu < 1285189056 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: fedora pings fedoraproject.org at boot to check if the box is online < 1285189062 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1285189066 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if fedoraproject.org goes down? < 1285189089 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probabyly they're really confident < 1285189095 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably* < 1285189373 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And whom are you?!" "What do you mean whom am I...m" < 1285189580 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No seriously when does APOD update. < 1285189584 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there even a fixed time? < 1285189724 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I will bet you real money on how small I can get a usable XP. < 1285190364 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1/3 cents < 1285190364 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285190569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285190577 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285190602 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cycling ais523 < 1285190607 0 :nomed!~administr@189-015-50-035.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1285190613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: it wasn't a deliberate cycle < 1285190620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this touchpad is really inaccurate < 1285190635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that it'll occasionally middle-click on something that isn't even near where I thought the mouse pointer was < 1285190639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I'm trying to type < 1285190704 0 :nomed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|o| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9B1Mzi4oE0&feature=player_embedded < 1285190800 0 :nomed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285190945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, was that a spambot? < 1285190954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being able to see the link, I have no idea < 1285190971 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285191419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: Any progress/luck? < 1285191526 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: On? < 1285191531 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XPe? < 1285191534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: Yuh < 1285191535 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try installing it ASAP. < 1285191541 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stock install in a VM. < 1285191543 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the fun begins. < 1285191547 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if nLite works with it. < 1285191553 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case it has a limit to how much you can remove. < 1285192043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that nLite works with anything that uses the XP installation scheme. < 1285192057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, Windows 2000, XP, and Server 2003. < 1285192213 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: git, hg or bzr? < 1285192224 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: what i use? git < 1285192228 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr sucks, hg is boring < 1285192230 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not git i'd use darcs < 1285192234 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does bzr suck? < 1285192239 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: it's just lame. < 1285192249 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what ways? < 1285192256 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ways < 1285192261 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But XPe? It has a component-based system. < 1285192261 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, expand on that < 1285192261 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1285192266 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: i can't articulate it < 1285192270 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the most meh VCS ever created < 1285192274 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty much sold on bzr < 1285192281 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it feels better than git < 1285192281 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're boring < 1285192284 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1285192284 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be < 1285192289 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :git has a very solid foundation underneath < 1285192296 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that of a versioned userspace filesystem -- not a vcs, the vcs is built on top < 1285192302 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you grok this, git becomes incredibly comfortable < 1285192303 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1285192411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: So does normal XP. Just without a GUI. < 1285192466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: bzr does everything wrong. < 1285192546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, including that. And that. < 1285192548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that. < 1285192765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, I find bzr nicer to use than git < 1285192778 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow. < 1285192781 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That statement just blew my mind. < 1285192791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, though for some stuff I find hg more convenient, mostly when dealing with huge repos < 1285192820 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: try coming up with something less childish than that < 1285192828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, bzr is not as fast as hg for really really large (>150 MB source code, thousands of files) repos < 1285192834 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: a versioned userspace filesystem isn't something i necessarily care a lot about < 1285192838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Are you familiar with how GNU tends to make stuff? < 1285192852 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1285192863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr is like that. < 1285192870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, lucky that bzr was not made by GNU < 1285192875 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made no sense. < 1285192901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the replacement for GNU arch, though. < 1285192907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yes < 1285192952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :order of preference: bzr, hg, darcs, ..., svn, git, cvs, rcs, monotone < 1285192959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at explaining what sucks about it. < 1285192970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, just a subjective preference < 1285192980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason I like it < 1285193010 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i was just gonna say you suck at explaining :p < 1285193013 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad we agree. :p < 1285193056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, nothing really wrong with bzr apart from that it can be a bit slow on *really* large repos. If you run into that I suggest using hg. < 1285193058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, regardless, we can all agree it's a step up from SVN, CVS, and *shudder* RCS. < 1285193071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, monotone is worse than rcs though < 1285193082 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: thx < 1285193106 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also I would place that "visual sourcesafe" down near the bottom < 1285193110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on what I heard about it < 1285193123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Visual SourceSafe isn't even multiuser. < 1285193127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah < 1285193134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wait, isn't rcs single user too? < 1285193166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RCS is single *file*. < 1285193197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CVS is a monstrosity consisting of using RCS on multiple files. < 1285193198 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285193204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285193256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as such lacks things like atomic commits. < 1285193439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCCS 4tw! < 1285193444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like microsoft dropped it and replaced it < 1285193455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I can one-up you here < 1285193465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Genera's built in file versioning FTW! < 1285193476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it only stores a limited number of older versions too!) < 1285193550 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doright, I ordered you to recruit mounties!" "He's a mounty!" "He's my daughter!" < 1285193818 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1285193852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ? < 1285193867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quoting non sequiturs = fun :P < 1285194028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__: I need some help, I think; Wooble is busy completely failing logic again in my paradox attempts (or in this case, a win-by-clout attempt that relies on a false-statement-implies-anything bug) < 1285194136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Wooble? < 1285194150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um, nomic? < 1285194156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1285194158 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285194290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was a classical case of deduction. When you eliminated the gibberish, then whatever is left, no matter how nonsensical, must be the case. < 1285194377 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: herlo < 1285194459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1285194677 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so how is a monad different from an extra parameter? < 1285194701 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it different because by default, a function cannot manipulate that extra parameter? < 1285194713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: well, things that aren't one-computation monads can't be implemented with just an extra param < 1285194721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do Maybe like that without actually modifying the functions in question < 1285194736 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1285194737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extra parameter plus some sort of systematic modification is one way to implement monads, incidentally < 1285194739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also IO monad < 1285194747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do that as an extra parameter afaik < 1285194758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: actually, GHC effectively implements IO as an extra-parameter monad < 1285194764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wow < 1285194785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, IO is designed for sequencing of operations wrt the real world < 1285194794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you break encapsulation to copy the actual parameter, it generally segfaults < 1285194813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the point is, really, that the monads are encapsulated; you can't get at the parameter without using the monad < 1285194815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how can you get hold of the extra parameter < 1285194836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you need a standard library function, implemented with knowledge of the monad, to retrieve it for you < 1285194840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like get in the State monad < 1285194884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285194900 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'll see what i can do < 1285194917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supporting my appeal would be nice < 1285194977 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gopherwoodstudios.com/entanglement/ < 1285194980 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awesome < 1285195029 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're playing nomic? < 1285195038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes... < 1285195045 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: many people are since 1993 < 1285195048 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuously < 1285195052 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agoranomic.org/ < 1285195052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a regular in ##nomic < 1285195057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and playing two nomcis atm < 1285195059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*two nomics < 1285195161 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1285195164 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1285195172 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the longest game you played? < 1285195184 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora is continuous < 1285195187 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no beginning or end < 1285195191 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is the nomic ais523 is currently talking about < 1285195192 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285195194 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beginning is 13 < 1285195196 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no end < 1285195210 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1993 < 1285195212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora has a beginning < 1285195216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started in 1993, it's /still going/ < 1285195227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly because the rules were modified to not end the game when someone wins < 1285195230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://gopherwoodstudios.com/entanglement/ <-- fun and just js < 1285195233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1285195274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nomic with no beginning or end would be impressive < 1285195277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having always existed < 1285195417 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they keep it going? < 1285195423 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, monotone is worse than rcs though < 1285195424 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit < 1285195435 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone may not be the easiest system but it's very well thought-out < 1285195447 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: they just keep playing < 1285195451 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone wins, the game keeps going. no change < 1285195461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lulls sometimes, but normally there's something interesting happening < 1285195467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, you can always change the rules to shake things up... < 1285195476 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey kid! < 1285195479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a computer! < 1285195480 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you win a nomic? < 1285195487 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ... < 1285195489 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a joke, right? < 1285195489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via a win condition... < 1285195494 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1285195497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomics have rules, same as any other games < 1285195499 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite obviously, "how do you win a nomic?" is an open question < 1285195499 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot < 1285195503 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering that the rules are *changable* < 1285195505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them will normally describe how to win < 1285195507 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*changeable < 1285195520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if none of the rules specify a way to win, you can nevertheless win by changing the rules so there is a way to win, then using it < 1285195539 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason to be prissy. i forgot the definition of nomic. < 1285195563 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yet you were asking questions about how to keep them going? < 1285195564 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1285195586 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, I would say that anybody who changes the rules of a nomic such that it no longer functions as a nomic can consider themselves to have won, even though technically they just stalemated :P < 1285195591 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 58 < 1285195596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, if you're interested in my schizophrenic OS ramblings there's #mitosis now, though you'd have to be mad to enter < 1285195596 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285195598 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was < 1285195611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: if anyone did that to Agora, several players would probably never speak to them again < 1285195635 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: This is the /evil/ win, if you don't piss people off then you haven't really won :P < 1285195656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: people take the metagaming part of nomic /really/ seriously < 1285195659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have most of the rest of the players migrating off to a new nomic < 1285195663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you can cause havoc inside < 1285195664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably with a rule banning you for life < 1285195668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's very personal to fuck with the nomic itself < 1285195676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, even ... omg what was his name ais523? < 1285195679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten his name < 1285195687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moo nomic < 1285195689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy < 1285195694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of this < 1285195698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This would be the rough equivalent of taking a bulk eraser to each computer with any file you were responsible for. < 1285195698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if I did, have forgotten < 1285195706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if I do know, haven't realised I do based on the available context < 1285195707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, the famous scam < 1285195714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"go aestivate under a rock somewhere" < 1285195715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there've been tens of those < 1285195718 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-165-42.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285195718 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285195718 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285195719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the original nomicworld < 1285195719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA "no jury will convict". < 1285195721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, oh in Nomic World? < 1285195723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dictatorship scam < 1285195724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lindrum < 1285195727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right! < 1285195739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: even Lindrum was disowned as a rotten person by a large number of people < 1285195749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he just (probably didn't actually, but people didn't know that) scammed a dictatorship < 1285195754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was still a nomic, technically < 1285195769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imposing a dictatorship on Agora isn't considered bad form if you give it up soon afterwards < 1285195778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are more... forgiving of scams like that nowadays, but destroying Agora, a nomic that has existed since 1993... < 1285195778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving it as a playable nomic < 1285195783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would basically make people literally IRL hate you < 1285195793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, the results of that are still in the ruleset. < 1285195797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fountain) < 1285195804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there have been more since. < 1285195807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Remember the planned outcome of The Scam? < 1285195814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You haven't heard this one, I don't think -- you might like it -- < 1285195815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, but the fountain is pretty lasting. < 1285195821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure if everyone agreed on that one < 1285195828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you didn't :-) < 1285195850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The plan was that we were going to *revert the entire ruleset* back to the original, 1993 ruleset. For one week, I think. < 1285195855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was actually a pretty poor scam, given that comex managed to pull off a much simpler scam a few weeks later with the same effects < 1285195861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is: Michael Norrish would *actually be the speaker*. < 1285195872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh my dear goodness. < 1285195875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. :D < 1285195889 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that nice < 1285195889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then it'd all go back to normal but with everyone permanently paranoid forevermore. < 1285195896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1285195899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you couldn't force it back to norma < 1285195901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*normal < 1285195902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: nostalgia. tradition. Michael Norrish is busy doing actual mathematics and things like that < 1285195907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just propose to let it back to normal, and hope people voted FOR < 1285195909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he very rarely posts < 1285195913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when he does it's in the discussion forum < 1285195917 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he would not be talking at all during that week? < 1285195928 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*speaking at all? < 1285195930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: the idea was that we'd ask him to participate, if he didn't mind (and make someone else the speaker if he did mind) < 1285195934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure he'd turn up if the future of Agora depended on it < 1285195936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by changing the ruleset) < 1285195942 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285195943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1285195948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, I like this ruleset. It's simpler!" < 1285195954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like happened in A and B on occasion < 1285195961 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :63 < 1285195971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He's still an observer IIRC. < 1285195972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: 4 < 1285195982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: his last post was saying that spivak pronouns suck, iirc < 1285195988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmf. < 1285195993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, and in practice not just in theory < 1285195994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saying they were introduced sometime and he'd have no problem with singular they personally < 1285195999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he rarely says anything, but rarely != never < 1285196004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(introduced sometime = not in the original ruleset) < 1285196107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, i'll support that appeal now < 1285196118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I will now install XPe in a VM. < 1285196152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: μχπ; guess the pun! < 1285196193 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this weird game of nomic? < 1285196232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: *groan* < 1285196232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: weird? < 1285196239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora is pretty much the canonical nomic... < 1285196245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, indeed, "muchipi"; how hilarious! < 1285196256 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://f.cl.ly/items/a59396292a55e230ac03/2559.gif < 1285196257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: MuXP < 1285196266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groaneth
< 1285196267 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realised you guys might appreciate this < 1285196277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MicroXP; close enough. < 1285196295 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is that... nomic is weird itself < 1285196298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285196310 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't even find an explanation how to play it < 1285196318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: That's because it varies. < 1285196320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Math is the box of the Johnsons." < 1285196323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: err < 1285196330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomic is just any game where you can change the rules < 1285196332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: The defining aspect of a nomic is that the rules are mutable. < 1285196335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, any game where that is a large activity < 1285196340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: for instance, here is a starting nomic ruleset < 1285196348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 1. The rules can be changed with the consent of all players. < 1285196352 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no adjective form of holland? < 1285196353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the purest kind of nomic < 1285196356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Dutch? < 1285196371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you need some way to tell who's a player or not; either a rule, or a meta-agreement < 1285196382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's for the Netherlands < 1285196391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meta-agreement should suffcie < 1285196392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suffice < 1285196392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok < 1285196396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally, it's obvious who's playing a game < 1285196399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tend to use the adjective interchangeably for the two < 1285196400 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For the 1-rule nomic, it's a meta-agreement. At least until things are defined. < 1285196403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: XPe install go! < 1285196405 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's not from "holland" < 1285196409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Whoooo. < 1285196415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ah, like in a democracy < 1285196422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you can has success, I may have to set up an XPe image here. < 1285196426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://f.cl.ly/items/a59396292a55e230ac03/2559.gif <-- heh... kind of < 1285196429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Nomic /is/ democracy; or at least, anything that can be called nomic more than vaguely < 1285196437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was invented by Peter Suber in a book about law < 1285196440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, there's royal nomics. < 1285196442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to study the philosophy of law < 1285196446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which are only technically nomics :P < 1285196449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a king gives assent to rules. < 1285196455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have a link to an XPe + SP2 torrent. < 1285196460 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Netherlands in its entirety is often referred to as Holland < 1285196465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Link; I'll download in a bit. < 1285196466 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that's confusing < 1285196472 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holland/netherlands/dutch < 1285196482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that is totally wrong, though < 1285196488 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three different words to describe the same shitty little worthless country < 1285196495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.torrentz.com/6c0dc08d5af0aa2249da7b66d027e1819518af2c < 1285196502 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: holland is the official name of the netherlands in polish, for example. < 1285196506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need semantic URI permalinks for torrents < 1285196511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid linking to a particular tracker < 1285196515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if DHT could help there < 1285196520 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnet? < 1285196527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think those specify a tracker < 1285196536 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1285196542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure they do < 1285196554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: CD 1, 2 or 3? I guess 1. < 1285196561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the smallest though. :P < 1285196585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you linked to a torrent on irc? that isn't done < 1285196587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1285196588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1285196590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1285196593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... < 1285196595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tell people to google < 1285196596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only not done in your fantasy world < 1285196598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't link < 1285196599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't < 1285196601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only irritating people do that < 1285196610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well for torrents... < 1285196613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but please, show me the baby i killed and i'll repent. < 1285196619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Preinstallation environment! Fuck yeah! < 1285196626 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah < 1285196627 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :66 < 1285196630 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want 75 < 1285196633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wait, how do I use the preinstallation environment? < 1285196645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, screenshot of it < 1285196663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: imagine the blue-mountain-with-moon background of XP, plus a command window opened to X:\i386\system32 < 1285196668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a disclaimer at the top saying you agree to the EULA if you continue < 1285196670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1285196678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how boring < 1285196691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I would have expected something fun < 1285196705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, with at least *one* big red button < 1285196735 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have expected a blank screen < 1285196743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...Idiotic idea approaching: Windows PE: The Distribution < 1285196743 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a non-blinking block cursor < 1285196754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/WinPE2005.png ;; well, this is a start < 1285196756 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting out in the top left. < 1285196885 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1285196897 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to read all of 6840 rules to play agora? < 1285196909 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285196919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: there aren't that many rules < 1285196922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule numbers skip numbers < 1285196925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: there aren't even close to that many rules :P < 1285196934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: read comex's fancy SLR < 1285196937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: this seems to be a common misapprehension, maybe < 1285196948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my Website Submission clears it up, but it might not < 1285196958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where's comex's thing? < 1285196959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the mouseovers < 1285196963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1285197034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait, didn't you take part in the fountain? < 1285197073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ?annotate=1 on the HTML FLR, IIRC < 1285197076 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Canada's gun registry will survive < 1285197094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.html?annotate=1 < 1285197096 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a 153-151 vote in the House of Commons < 1285197102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hover over things to get something that's probably accurate < 1285197121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://agora.qoid.us/shalls.txt < 1285197124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's stuff you have to do. < 1285197156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: also, don't say anything about rule 104; just don't < 1285197214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I propose that lo, MicroXP shall be amazing. < 1285197262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone installs Windows 95 into a VM and extracts explorer.exe, I will be forever in their debt. < 1285197266 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, i'm leaving, cya < 1285197267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Forever = five minutes.) < 1285197270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: bye < 1285197287 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285197386 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you, say, attempt to change the Agora's official language < 1285197388 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1285197455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although it probably wouldn't pass < 1285197462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can propose anything, it's up to the other players to vote on it < 1285197487 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to... http://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ænglisc_sprǣc < 1285197498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes, but nobody would vote on it. < 1285197508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285197510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody would vote for it, rather < 1285197515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from me and comex < 1285197551 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :þǣre < 1285197627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: err okay, seirously, do you know how to use WinPE? :D < 1285197660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1285197662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\setup < 1285197811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1285197848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mission report so far: can't find the damn setup :) < 1285197927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The fountain predates me. < 1285197942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or DOES it < 1285197979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WinPE is just a Windows boot disk. < 1285197983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed. < 1285197989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's also all XPe has in the way of installation. < 1285197995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I have to copy some directory over then run some thing then reboot. < 1285197999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find the directory. < 1285198077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Find & run setup.exe < 1285198086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't sleep, so here is an intel CPU (sorry for the flood): < 1285198087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮ < 1285198087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :╭╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╮ < 1285198087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :│ D8086-2 │ < 1285198087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :│ L7010276 (c) INTEL '78 '84 │ < 1285198088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :╰╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╮╭╯ < 1285198093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯╰╯ < 1285198100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(markings mostly correct) < 1285198106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you complain about me flooding. < 1285198109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not that simple, actually < 1285198115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setup.exe is just a guide to WinPE, pretty much < 1285198119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/28255-how-to-use-winpe-for-network-unattend-install/ < 1285198129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm wrong < 1285198132 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, of course, but if you flooded unicode art of 8086 I would forgive you < 1285198137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh. < 1285198144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it may be on one of the three disks < 1285198150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: here, you download it, i'm not suffering alone :P < 1285198164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your pay shall be: a FREE copy of MicroXP! < 1285198183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that gift is even more important than friendship. < 1285198185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it seems that you need to run it on a copy of XP to build images. < 1285198196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this /is/ the entire XPe distribution; < 1285198198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*distribution. < 1285198200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has *three disks*. < 1285198203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP, not XPe. < 1285198222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right. < 1285198227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt you need XP. < 1285198229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To install XPe. < 1285198233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ridiculous. < 1285198240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's three effin' disks! They must have an installer! < 1285198248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need XP to create the custom XPe images that you install. < 1285198256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What about a ... non-custom ... XPe... image... < 1285198260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is apparently not sanely designed. < 1285198263 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's all custom. < 1285198279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha pikhq: your job is to make an image < 1285198533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So how much of a pain is making an image? < 1285198562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ms940811.aspx < 1285198579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of that is installing the image maker. < 1285198580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Suicide pact? < 1285198719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT1IGy_AGgQ The pizza smoothie was Obama's idea. < 1285198723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Seriously what?) < 1285198850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hypothesis: Windows XP Embedded clearly can't remove that much more than a regular installation with nLite! < 1285198854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore project aborted NEVER SPEAK OF IT AGAIN < 1285198858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for an unhacked copy of Windows XP.
< 1285198860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, you ask? < 1285198870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to have an XP license and no disc. < 1285198997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, wait. That has activation attached. < 1285199002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw that shit. < 1285199033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, just use the pirated version. < 1285199040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: A single XP key can only be activated, I think, five times! < 1285199068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP fucks you over one too many times? You gotta reinstall? Maybe you want to make a legal VM on your shiny new Ubuntu Macintosh Optimus Prime Transformers Robots In Disguise? < 1285199072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOOPS NO SORRY LOL YOU HAVE TO PHONE MICROSOFT < 1285199109 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five? I thought it was three. < 1285199113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Most cracked XP discs are just the regular XP disc with a cracking program to be used in Safe Mode included in the root of the disc. < 1285199116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm, possibly. < 1285199209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I've got a corporate edition disc still here, I think. < 1285199211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1285199232 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285199257 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1285199270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... But, that one had something odd about it. :/ < 1285199298 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 of 80 ppl on my year failed "basics of programming" course < 1285199309 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 28? < 1285199326 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only one with the best grade possible is.... me :F < 1285199331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523_ < 1285199331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, which is that pirate XP variant with the Win95 explorer? < 1285199334 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1285199369 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285199373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to try & find a plain XP disk and a nice, illegal key for the sake of nLiteing right
< 1285199478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, I've monopolised that industry. < 1285199488 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means at least two things: students are idiots, teachers can't teach < 1285199493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I WILL PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS WITH TOTAL IE REMOVAL < 1285199506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The words "Internet Explorer" will even be removed from the manual! < 1285199534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will you replace them with? < 1285199601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'll do you one better. Windows 2000: the last version of Windows without obnoxious bloat. < 1285199604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285199640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ha ha ha. You mean Windows 95. < 1285199645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nothing! That saves disk space! < 1285199664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, okay. But there's not a free tool for trimming that down. < 1285199667 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;f < 1285199675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"- Browse the internet with , Microsoft's premier web browser." < 1285199682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It doesn't need trimming down. < 1285199697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT DOES I SAID SO < 1285199703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ever used 95? < 1285199707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1285199714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For extended periods of time? < 1285199733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; it was the OS on my computer before I started using Linux. < 1285199777 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhuh < 1285199792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: When was that? < 1285199810 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why anyone decides to use windows nowadays < 1285199846 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when macs are relatively cheap and linux distros are so cool < 1285199881 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the thing is... many ppl don't decide, they just get a computer with something installed < 1285199885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, the first system we had with 95 was obtained in '96... I had been using an old POS system with 95 until about 2001, though. < 1285199903 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has used Windows ME for extended periods of time...
< 1285199920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have too; liquefied pain. < 1285199931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Without the IE update that converted explorer.exe to IE, I hope. < 1285199953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Came out of the box that way. OSR2. < 1285199997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Blech, vomit, puke, stomp on.