< 1283644814 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283644822 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: D'oh < 1283644823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with finite starting setup < 1283644844 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed ByteByteJump isn't with fiite starting setup either. < 1283644845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/setup/program/ < 1283644856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1283644862 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "infinite SMETANA" < 1283644864 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1283644893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh btw, that P != NP proof was debunked, wasn't it? < 1283644932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite SMETANA needs a "pattern" in the initial infinite program though, I think (like e.g. Wireworld does), but BBJ might not, it might work with it "all zeroes" < 1283644938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less, the author seems unable to admit it though < 1283644966 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1283644990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last i heard he _still_ claimed to be intending to send a repaired proof for publication. but no longer to publish it on the web beforehand :D < 1283645019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it wasn't intended to reach the web initially, though) < 1283645070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't looked much at bytebytejump < 1283645155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is more dubious is that he now claimed to send it just to select experts again - but this did _not_ include the people that had been finding flaws < 1283645161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*even more dubious < 1283645195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most importantly terence tao, who said he had not received a copy) < 1283645206 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Dubious < 1283645257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess at this point everyone expects it to just fizzle out and be forgotten < 1283645259 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-47.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1283645363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally there was a proof that P=NP from an indian professor in recent days < 1283645393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be taken very seriously though < 1283645436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the class of problems that get more convenient to solve if the halting problem were solved < 1283645443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note "convenient". As in, not necessary < 1283645451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Pi_1 and Sigma_1 < 1283645462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1283645477 0 :sebbu[laptop]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283645480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although necessary is also interesting < 1283645531 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You might have to define "convenient" more formally < 1283645541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot recall anything about non-necessary < 1283645584 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty bizarre to think of things like, "If I have an oracle for HP I can sort a list in O(log n) time!" < 1283645592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the halting problem _already_ assumes you have unlimited resources to start with, so defining "convenient" seems difficult. < 1283645647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubious: now that _is_ dubious, you would need to load the data onto the oracle tape after all < 1283645685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although given that, it _would_ seem like an HP oracle could solve everything computable in O(n) time < 1283645730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just load the fixed program which halts iff your computation accepts, plus its data) < 1283645800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's [everything computable] in O(n) time btw, not everything [computable in O(n) time] < 1283645950 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283646017 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283646674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Grah, I think I'm turning into alise ;; why? < 1283646692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of telling him what he wanted to know, I just acted rudely < 1283646707 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that saying that may also be rude :/ < 1283646722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Murder, She Wrote", "MacGyver", "The Beachcombers" ;; I hate Murder, She Wrote so much. < 1283646874 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :PermanentRebel < 1283646878 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOWWUdMAfSY < 1283646893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : My patch is in AceHack! < 1283646894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo happies < 1283646895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which patch? < 1283646911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the one that allows candles to be attached to the candelabrum underwater < 1283646942 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "The Scarecrow and Mrs. King". < 1283646994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why can't you do that normally? < 1283646999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't mind people saying they're like me :P < 1283647000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubious: ? < 1283647009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I only do that to AnMaster, though. < 1283647009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I can't say I ever tried in nethack though < 1283647016 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, because it thinks that you're trying to light a candle < 1283647021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ah < 1283647022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And won't let you < 1283647048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo... darnit < 1283647051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, should report a bug to the nethack theme too? Unless that has already been done < 1283647062 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yeah, reported a while ago < 1283647085 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took them time to receive it, and they never checked if the patch is still up, so they made their own, probably more elegant, fix < 1283647134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: NetHack dev team, elegant code. < 1283647135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha! < 1283647178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed, Highly elegant. Compared to some of the code on tdwtf that is. < 1283647219 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Moonlighting". < 1283647240 0 :PermanentRebel!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1283647247 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, 80's TV shows may not be the best cultural common ground for a 15-year-old in Britain. < 1283647254 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*American TV shows < 1283647258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, not so permanent then? < 1283647266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Dubious is cpressey. < 1283647271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubious: I had no idea of your context. < 1283647273 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I'm still a Rebel (in Agora). Just not in IRC. < 1283647274 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;o < 1283647282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, or perhaps you rebelled against being a permanent one? < 1283647287 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COntext?! Pfah! btw I'm getting used to Parsec. < 1283647289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He rebels against APPLE with his BOMBS < 1283647302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is actually how jailbreaking works; exactly like civil war < 1283647305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please confirm/deny, comex < 1283647312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubious: Anyway, I hate Murder, She Wrote so, so much. < 1283647318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"Murder, She Wrote" < 1283647328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which genre? < 1283647341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know those silly light crime programs of the 80s? < 1283647343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diagnosis Murder and the like. < 1283647348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283647352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just like that, except the main character is a semi-old woman. < 1283647355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who attracts DEATH. EVERYWHERE < 1283647362 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: typo? < 1283647362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, like Miss Maple? < 1283647370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ? < 1283647377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Much worse. < 1283647380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*marple < 1283647389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.) < 1283647392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corpal: you pinged me < 1283647392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283647396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the Miss Marple *books* are actually good < 1283647422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a bit repetitive after a while though < 1283647436 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agatha Christie can't hold a candle to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle < 1283647468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubious, while that is true, that doesn't mean Agatha Christie is *bad*. Just not nearly as good. < 1283647486 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.js1k.com may interest you people, if you don't know about it < 1283647498 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, by the way < 1283647525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1283647531 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hello, oerjan < 1283647534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI < 1283647557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone actually playing Dot Action 2 currently? < 1283647799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1283647835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1283647838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to 60. < 1283647841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you remember how to do 60? < 1283647937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, sed is slow on DOSBox < 1283647950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everything is (rm is actually slow enough that you can see it execute) < 1283647953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sed in particular < 1283647999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what version? < 1283647999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of sed < 1283648000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1283648000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :port < 1283648004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djgpdgdjgpjgpgjpdgjdpgpp? < 1283648027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yep, djgpp < 1283648104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can run Windows 3.1 on it. Try that :P < 1283648119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have a spare win3.1 license < 1283648152 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1283648176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nor does anyone else who does it... < 1283648195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: besides, you can't buy them any more < 1283648202 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1138727 <-- Why this not work? < 1283648231 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why my fail not tell endBy1 stop? < 1283648345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubious: Please call yourself cpressey and what have you done to my browser. < 1283648350 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1283648353 0 :Dubious!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1283648364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ATE YOUR BROWSER, LITTLE MAN < 1283648385 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is apparently some kind of dragon creature
< 1283648413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://imgur.com/zZyIH.png < 1283648414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously dude < 1283648415 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I have to use 'try' or 'choice' < 1283648415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not cool < 1283648437 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cooooool < 1283648481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why my fail not tell endBy1 stop? < 1283648483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1283648498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fail will fail the whole parse, I think < 1283648500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a syntax error < 1283648503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than ending endBy1 < 1283648514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd tell you to use Parsec 3, but *eh* < 1283648517 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait Parsec does come with a lexer! < 1283648520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What is this language? < 1283648523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, yes, it does. < 1283648526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the most general one, but yes. < 1283648546 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My kitchen, if it were a restaurant's kitchen, would be closed downj < 1283648563 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: This is just an example, as was the previous one I pastied. < 1283648581 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort-of kind-of parts of the PL-{GOTO} language. < 1283648587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PL-{GOTO}? < 1283648598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: DETTOL PROTECTS FACT < 1283648608 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I guess my question is, how does endBy1 know when to end, if not from a fail (I thought it would catch it and stop)? < 1283648622 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1283648637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you by quoting the source, which will be a bitch because you're being poopy and using Parsec 2. < 1283648638 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PL-{GOTO} is the language of for loops, basically (it's in a computation theory text by Brainerd & Weber) < 1283648638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless... < 1283648642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does import Text.Parsec work? < 1283648653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, you're using Parsec 3, which is probably good. < 1283648660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DETTOL? < 1283648661 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not. I'm using whatever Ubuntu decides to give me. Give it to me, Ubuntu! < 1283648668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have cabal? < 1283648681 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cabal makes me sick. But, I can check. < 1283648694 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: cabal: command not found < 1283648711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: in any case you need try if you want anything to recover from a fail that consumes characters < 1283648813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It appears that Parsec has automatic support for indentation-based parsing. < 1283648817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.IndentParser < 1283648819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As part of the tokeniser. < 1283648826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1283648828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another thing < 1283648831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another package < 1283648840 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bobby-tables.com/ < 1283648840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabal install IndentParser --constraint="parsec >= 3" < 1283648853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if you remove the ubuntu package, install cabal-install (search your package manager) < 1283648856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can do < 1283648860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabal install parsec==3 < 1283648875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently IndentParser doesn't actually work with parsec 3 < 1283648877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then < 1283648885 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`apt-cache search cabal-install` == '' < 1283648885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there appears to be replacement code < 1283648889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1283648895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: apt-cache search cabal < 1283648943 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`apt-cache search cabal` == ghc6, ghc6-doc, ghc6-prof, haskell-devscripts, libhugs-cabal-bundled < 1283648945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The beta-Juliet language is not Turing-Complete by itself. Nor is the Portia pre-processor. However, when used together, the intent is that they form a Turing-Complete language.]] ;; DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE < 1283648949 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1283648953 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and fortunes-fr < 1283648959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So say people who don't believe in ais523's proof.) < 1283648965 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1283648972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Install fortunes-fr. If nothing else, you will be amused. < 1283648988 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oui, j'amuse. < 1283648989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[[Historical note: Portia, as it has stood for many years, cannot really generalize either, so the combination of beta-Juliet and Portia is still not Turing-Complete.]]] < 1283648990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA. < 1283649010 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of InfinitePortia might work < 1283649033 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wrote 2iota instead < 1283649045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"beta-Juliet and Portia are puns on the names of automobile manufacturers." ;; Wait, which? < 1283649067 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is 2iota :) < 1283649108 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Toyota sucks now so I regret calling it that now. < 1283649117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which manufacturers yaeraeryahragh < 1283649121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Can 2iota programs terminate? < 1283649128 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "Portia" should be easy < 1283649140 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, if there are no more events < 1283649149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Por...tea...ah. < 1283649157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Darn. < 1283649171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You could have made a joke wrt the recent Toyotas that wouldn't stop accelerating. < 1283649178 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey yeah! < 1283649182 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1283649192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you not forsee this?!?!??!?!!?! < 1283649267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Hey, do you strictly need the alphabet/succ stuff? < 1283649289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :event Succ One, causes SuccResult Two; < 1283649293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :event Succ Two, causes SuccResult Three; < 1283649294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283649296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1283649317 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly? probably not < 1283649323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :event Domino N Falls, causes Succ N. < 1283649331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :event SuccResult N, causes Domino N Falls. < 1283649334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case, the Result Succs. < 1283649355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what is succ Seven, anyway? < 1283649357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an alphabet of seven < 1283649362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One? < 1283649374 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1283649376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's One Seven. 2iota has lists of symbols. Or something < 1283649386 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, or One One? < 1283649389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're crazy. < 1283649389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget. < 1283649409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more than crazy. I'm Dubious. Or I *was*. < 1283649437 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO, I know I need a 'try', but I don't know where to put it. Attempt #1 did not bear fruit. < 1283649570 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the whole "succ" thing was to ensure that you could access an infinite set of names of events. < 1283649577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try's loins are infertile. < 1283649587 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise there would be no Turing-completey. < 1283649641 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beer! Beer will help. < 1283649659 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK, "Porsche" and "Alfa Romeo" < 1283649676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, I thought it was a pronunciation pun. < 1283649680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 2iota. < 1283649713 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually "Portia" was this character in "Weerd-Oh's"... I assume they were punning it. I just borrowed it, in that respect. < 1283649725 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283649742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misplaced apostrophe syndrome. < 1283649743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beep beep beep. < 1283649769 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283649786 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, "Weird-Ohs". http://sharetv.org/shows/weird-ohs_ca < 1283649831 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes. beta-Juliet is more of a correspondence play-on-words. < 1283649881 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten emails from people assuming the languages have something to do with Shakespeare, because there's a Portia in one of his other plays. < 1283649995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did get the pun in "beta-Juliet" < 1283650021 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283650031 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's alpha-romeo supposed to mena? < 1283650032 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mean < 1283650052 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have one question, if you have any opinion what DVI specials the TeXnicard DVI driver needs to support. < 1283650057 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that the joke's there, and "beta-Juliet" is a second-tier joke < 1283650063 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo < 1283650117 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have no opinion on that matter. < 1283650143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo doesn't know of Alfa Romeo? < 1283650181 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is what Alfa Romeo means. And is that where "beta-Juliet" comes from? < 1283650185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an automaker? < 1283650202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283650233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Please have a go at stage 60 of Dot Action 2. < 1283650237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code 188-268. kthx < 1283650331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SERIOUSLY HOW DO YOU DO IT < 1283650336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Please give me Flash on Ubuntu without any hassle. < 1283650357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Install the package. < 1283650359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1283650373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, please play stage 101 of Dot Action 2 < 1283650387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1283650387 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr ok < 1283650397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I haven't completed 60-100 yet. < 1283650412 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is the best way to implement allowing the text to be stretched horizontally but not vertically, if there is not room, it will make it less wider horizontal, with using TeX, METAFONT, ImageMagick, etc? < 1283650423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those won't show up in the list when you do the bonus code < 1283650430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the only TeX etc. we know is LaTeX. < 1283650437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 101 > 100. < 1283650441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They appear after you complete 100. < 1283650450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care how you justify it to yourself, I am playing in order and that means 100 before 101. < 1283650452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, have you checked the flash file for that? < 1283650463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have /done it/ before when using a code for all 100, iirc. < 1283650466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least someone here did. < 1283650466 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know only LaTeX? < 1283650488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: All of us do, more or less. Or nothing at all. < 1283650492 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hassle level has risen above 0.4%, aborting. < 1283650503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you had to accept a LICENSE? < 1283650507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What? < 1283650517 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha256sum mismatch install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz < 1283650518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Flash plugin is NOT installed. < 1283650529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Whaat? < 1283650533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude update < 1283650535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION walks awat
< 1283650537 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awayy < 1283650538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have an out-of-date package file, probably. < 1283650551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That is the package, right? < 1283650598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree < 1283650600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reason that should not work. < 1283650615 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not asking about macro packages though. I am asking about how I should implement the DVI driver and stuff like that, to make it work properly like that. < 1283650649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: None of us know about that. < 1283650658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I am aware. < 1283650663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did a 'sudo apt-get update'. Did a 'sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree' then again with the 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'. Same checksum error. < 1283650703 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd alfa-romeo HER beta-Juliet < 1283650706 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1283650731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 32-bit or 64-bit? < 1283650763 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 32-bit < 1283650772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Okay, it's easy then: < 1283650796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds vaguely like the package is corrupted somehow < 1283650798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10.1_for_Linux_(.deb) < 1283650799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the checksum is wrong < 1283650804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Save this, then "sudo dpkg -i thefilename". < 1283650806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1283650824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523: I know, I know, they have an apt repository, but this is simple.) < 1283650845 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd apt HER cache < 1283650848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and it sounds to me like Adobe upgraded it silently < 1283650849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stop that < 1283650858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd stop HER... Ok, enough < 1283650882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you there. < 1283650883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1283651036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And restart Firefox I presume> < 1283651039 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>/?/ < 1283651062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Just reloading a page should work, but if not, yeah. < 1283651079 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Gimme that dot action link again < 1283651094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dotaction.fizzlebot.com/ < 1283651101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer a fast mirror with 1.10, but there you go. < 1283651106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :188-268 for level 60 < 1283651114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the trick is to bash off the ceiling before you drop down to the line of blues, so you fall faster. < 1283651121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working! < 1283651129 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REST OF WEEKEND NOW GONE < 1283651194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]What's so great about 1.10? < 1283651214 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: HOw do I enter the code? < 1283651217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Dunno. It's totally updated. < 1283651218 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : asd prevent tk be dru nk < 1283651220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Second menu item. < 1283651236 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does cpressy even know the slightest thing about playing? < 1283651236 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283651242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyan == goal. You need all of theym < 1283651248 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. Figured it out < 1283651251 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yellow == death, unless the Zet timer is running < 1283651259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: HE knows. < 1283651260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*He < 1283651261 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No he doesn't really. He got up to level 3 a few days ago! < 1283651280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....so what happened in the meantime that Flash is no longer existant? < 1283651286 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I suicide? < 1283651301 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter < 1283651303 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That was a work computer. < 1283651304 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow < 1283651304 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :End < 1283651313 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thx < 1283651315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, Arrow to End, then space < 1283651315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1283651374 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO PASS LEVEL 60 IN THAT SORT OF TIME LIMIT???? < 1283651383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Zombies < 1283651390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1283651395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been level with the last dot when I die < 1283651406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sure you have to bash against the ceiling so you fall faster when you go to that line of dots < 1283651432 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only got past the first "water" and the clock ran out. < 1283651910 0 :Tegeen!~Tegeen@72.51.96.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283651910 0 :Tegeen!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI GUYS. ENJOY FLYING FREENODE. WE ONLY ASK THAT YOU JOIN #FREENODE :) < 1283651910 0 :Tegeen!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1283652051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why spam this channel? < 1283652065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a kind-of pointless channel to spam... < 1283652068 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283652074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should spam #freenode instead, there are many more people there < 1283652085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've told #freenode. < 1283652087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advertisement tends to just piss us off, anyones. < 1283652092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. < 1283652112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems kinda pointless to spam Freenode in general, really. < 1283652121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm up to level 10! < 1283652126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to spam about #freenode in particukar... < 1283652237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a confession to make. I am actually a spammer. < 1283652248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came in here to spam PSOX related articles < 1283652252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: uhh < 1283652255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: lol < 1283652260 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX, how does THAT work? < 1283652269 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, too, have a confession. < 1283652276 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am actually a Juggalo. < 1283652305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you see, I am a time-travelling spammer < 1283652331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within 5 years, PSOX will be a hugely successful commercial product, and I will use this channel as free labor. < 1283652342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my goal is to get all the minds here primed for that event. < 1283652370 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to help me magnetize cpressey? < 1283652372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not going well. < 1283652458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they did < 1283652458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : HI GUYS. ENJOY FLYING FREENODE. WE ONLY ASK THAT YOU JOIN #FREENODE :) < 1283652463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in #freenode < 1283652473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how... confusing < 1283652522 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, by "move along", do they mean leave? < 1283652525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just don't talk? < 1283652550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know who they are talking to. < 1283652554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's +z, as they've said. < 1283652556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see my messages? < 1283652559 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1283652586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: #freenode are kind of assholes. Scratch the "kind of". < 1283652631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like me concluding that LambdaMOO is anti-documentation based on one person... oh wait < 1283652637 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did conclude that. Maybe we're both wrong < 1283652757 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LambdaMOO! < 1283652811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION moos at cpressey
< 1283652832 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1283652939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION moos at the Firefox plugin
< 1283652993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what firefox plugin? < 1283653007 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, add-on < 1283653061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what add-on? < 1283653141 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your goal to get me to say the name? Because I would have said it eventually if I didn't realize that that was your goal < 1283653298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1283653621 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, do you mind if I ping you < 1283653622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1283653642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why have I been acting drunk today? < 1283653690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.thejit.org/wp-content/exp/exp-canvas/index.html < 1283653696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: caffeine? < 1283653711 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hi. < 1283653723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had caffeine this past week, but none today < 1283653727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why? < 1283653782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely. < 1283653939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The smallest movement a computer mouse can detect is referred to as a "mickey"]] < 1283653942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I so dearly hope this is true. < 1283654208 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have read about that too, about the "mickey" < 1283654268 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slips Sgeo a mickey
< 1283654739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/files/aasia/01.jpg SAM HUGHES???? < 1283654768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you are going to read Fine Structure sometime before you die, right? < 1283654777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283654778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why the ?s < 1283654821 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen a picture of him before < 1283654824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I remmeber < 1283654847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7306696114058163464 < 1283655518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Tubular Bells is a weirder song than I thought. < 1283655521 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mandolin!" < 1283655639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Song? It's 48:57 long! < 1283655811 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I was listening to, which claimed to be the original, was 8:07. Five minutes before there are any actual tubular bells, too. < 1283655822 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8l5fthffiE < 1283655950 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that when I talk about my dad, I only talk about bad stuff. I never talk about the ok stuff, or the funny stuff < 1283656040 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That tears it. There is NO WAY you will get me to believe you aren't drunk. < 1283656060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throughout the whole day? < 1283656070 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's possible... < 1283656187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well anyway, I seem to have a PL-{GOTO} parser, written in Parsec, now. < 1283656187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, if I ever did get drunk, I'd try to make sure I'd lock out my computer access < 1283656197 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good plan. < 1283656213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't need to end up deleting all muy backupkless files < 1283656228 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-with-complete-mamas-family-video-library-never,1592/ < 1283656248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Don't need to end up deleting all muy backupkless files < 1283656250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're drunk. < 1283656270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of typos? Or because I think it's a thing I'd do if I were drunk? < 1283656455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I DID STAGE 60 HAHAHA < 1283656457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the typos < 1283656503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. THe quick brown fox jumos over the lazy dog. The quick brown fix jumps over the lazy dog. < 1283656518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TH is a typical typo for me anywyas < 1283656540 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes his fist at alise
< 1283656619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I _am_ drunk, maybe my body's weirdly producing (extra?) alcohol for some reason < 1283656624 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should see a doctor < 1283656783 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aros.sourceforge.net/introduction/index.php < 1283656783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Uhh ... no ... < 1283656800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: AROS' mascot has always disturbed me. < 1283656800 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as far as I know, I have not imbibed alcohol today < 1283656814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You aren't drunk. At least not on alcohol. < 1283656825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I concur. < 1283656842 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides that alise is a flip-flopper
< 1283656852 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also not a fan of having to run it under VirtualBox. < 1283656857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You said it yourself. < 1283656861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Why do you have to? < 1283656871 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Because you have to. It seems. < 1283656875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1283656877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to? < 1283656880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware or another VM? < 1283656883 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could install it on the physical machine. < 1283656895 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they had me thinking it was like WINE. < 1283656908 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I've never actually *run* WINE... < 1283656934 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll live with UAE for now. Workbench 1.3 forever! Woo! < 1283656950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: WinUAE ftw < 1283656958 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UAE? < 1283657017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: United Arab Emirates < 1283657162 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1283657162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklofok < 1283657180 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Hey! < 1283657187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sup < 1283657214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok! yo! < 1283657216 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the set of all species, are there subsets that are cartesian products of sets of cardinality > 1 < 1283657219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Yes. < 1283657225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: In two years you owe me £50, bitch. < 1283657239 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: is it trivially true? < 1283657262 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1283657267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: only in a universe of 6 < 1283657279 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let's say at least cardinality 3, and at least 2 sets < 1283657320 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what's sup is i can't sleep < 1283657360 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :university starts in a few days, so my brain is on speed < 1283657406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: why have you been so absenttt? < 1283657431 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was in scotland for a week or more, and i've been working and stuff < 1283657446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: you've been away for months < 1283657449 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will probably be absent in the near future, too, because of the university thing < 1283657452 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh have i < 1283657454 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGRAJAG! < 1283657458 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i worked for months < 1283657482 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAGGGRAAAJJJAAAAGGGG < 1283657493 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I need to scream for some reason < 1283657499 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been there < 1283657509 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hungry < 1283657516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you drunk at a public place today < 1283657529 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1283657529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: anyway start coming here more we're all cool now although AnMaster is now Vorpal so watch out < 1283657540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i said that because Sgeo has been acting drunk all day < 1283657542 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal?!? < 1283657545 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see that coming < 1283657559 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283657590 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured he just acted drunk (for a Sgeo) for three lines < 1283657602 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you saw right through it < 1283657616 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because u so smart < 1283657631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oklofok < 1283657633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember DOT ACTION 2 < 1283657643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how did you learn about Dot Action 2? < 1283657654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: clicking random on dagobah.biz lot < 1283657657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a lot < 1283657660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1283657662 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT TILL MONDAY TO GET LECTURE NOTES :(( < 1283657666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dagobah.biz lot/dagobah.biz a lot/ < 1283657671 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i may remember it < 1283657678 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was that trivial game right < 1283657680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes go there, but few things from it really stand out < 1283657684 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, trivial at first game < 1283657685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yes, which you played up to at least stage 98 < 1283657688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: get playing again < 1283657693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm up to 64 < 1283657705 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well right, the few levels after 100 were hard according to fizzie, iirc < 1283657728 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't need to put the code for the bonus levels in? < 1283657730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1283657732 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some were hard according to alise, but... < 1283657732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101 was easy < 1283657740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i'm a lot better at it now :P < 1283657745 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe you < 1283657752 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M ALSO < 1283657758 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well too < 1283657764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: although me and another have been destroying our thumbs doing 60 (cpressey merely believes it is impossible) < 1283657775 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what does "You didn't need to put the code for the bonus levels in?" mean < 1283657786 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not impossible exactly, just beyond my own ability. That is some insane shit right there. < 1283657786 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never tried the bonus levels < 1283657798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought 101-108 were save code only < 1283657804 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not actually achievable without it < 1283657806 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1283657816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Sgeo thinks that since 101-108 appear in a separate menu, they absolutely cannot appear after 100 and it isn't cheating to play them before the others < 1283657823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not cheating, but not in-order play) < 1283657908 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't get it, was Sgeo surprised that i managed to play the game without first playing the bonus levels? < 1283657921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no, he thought you completed level 100 < 1283657923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unlocked the save codes < 1283657929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which conflicts with his ardent, unjustified beliefs about reality < 1283657946 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, " oklofok: yes, which you played up to at least stage 98". < 1283657957 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for Sgeo) < 1283657958 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283657960 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1283657987 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i finished it, the last levels took ages to finish < 1283658016 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which doesn't really imply hard imo) < 1283658097 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`I may ebed to go to sleep soon < 1283658101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm incredibl tired < 1283658106 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1283658114 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how apropos < 1283658122 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: alise'S thoughts exactly < 1283658129 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1283658142 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is laugujing like a maniac
< 1283658149 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thinks typoing is hilarious < 1283658158 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what was that staircase saying < 1283658177 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typoing is a serious thing < 1283658189 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what was that ... < 1283658196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what i'm saying is that your drink was probably spiked. < 1283658199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was such a drink. < 1283658206 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1283658209 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you meant < 1283658212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1283658225 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went for a slightly more offensive meaning < 1283658226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There wasn't,, I think < 1283658242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, tellmetoellme < 1283658251 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gladly < 1283658290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: okay, you have ingested /something/ today < 1283658293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do different from other days < 1283658296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat more? less? different? < 1283658312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have a chicken sandwich today, since I wasn't at school < 1283658337 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! < 1283658337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Chicken withdrawal. Yes. Could be serious. < 1283658350 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people drink, they often come to irc, because it's fun. some people seem to consider this some sort of "i'm cool cuz i'm drunk" bragging; i thought alise was doing this sort of considering; i thought the adding of "at a public place" was because people who drink with their friends are the people who brag the most about their drinking < 1283658353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had four slices of pizza this morning (or, well, afternoon, since I woke up late) < 1283658360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: we'd already confirmed he hadn't drunk < 1283658372 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And had four slices last night\ < 1283658374 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1283658376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: pizza is not intoxicating. < 1283658383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some ingredient went bad < 1283658385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cheese, perhaps < 1283658386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm treating this as a joke < 1283658404 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treating what as a joke < 1283658407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more humorous for everyone to act like they think I am drunk < 1283658446 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more humorous than what < 1283658453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just like this when I'm tired < 1283658458 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are like what < 1283658460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, trying to seriously find something wrong < 1283658465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, drunk-acty < 1283658465 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong with what? < 1283658480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklowhat < 1283658480 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1283658488 0 :oklowhat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1283658496 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1283658500 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm... < 1283658501 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confused < 1283658506 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658506 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658506 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658507 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658507 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658508 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658508 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658508 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658509 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658509 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658509 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY TIME < 1283658521 0 :oklowhat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, I'll have to druink < 1283658525 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1283658537 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should define something < 1283658553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define whores < 1283658568 0 :oklowhat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause whores to exist. Did I really just ype whores? < 1283658595 0 :oklowhat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't see my screen when I typed it, because a rubber hand was in the way < 1283658621 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irreducibility of shift space X: for all u, v \in B(X), uwv \in B(X) for some w, where B(X) is the language of words occurring as subwords in the points of X < 1283658636 0 :oklowhat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits oklowhat with a subword
< 1283658745 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my definitions would require defining shift spaces, and i don't wanna do that because i think i've done it already < 1283658746 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift spaces, dear god < 1283658759 0 :oklowhat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPACES < 1283658773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: if you're doing this for acting, stop. it isn't amusing < 1283658793 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what? < 1283658794 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1283658805 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift spaces are the bridge between discrete and continuous mathematics... if I am remembering correctly < 1283658812 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a bridge! < 1283658817 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one of the bridges anyway < 1283658821 0 :oklowhat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did you mean me? < 1283658822 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1283658830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yes < 1283658832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1283658833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklowhat: yes < 1283658836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry oklofok < 1283658841 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1283658846 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1283658850 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /nick oklopop < 1283658857 0 :oklowhat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seriously does feel giggly
< 1283658861 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, to cpressey again, if you have a dynamical system, that is, some sort of space, and a continuous function on it < 1283658883 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can, sort, of, model it using a shift space, in some cases < 1283658912 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how you do this is you partition the continuous space in a finite number of subsets < 1283658914 0 :oklowhat!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1283658947 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then for a point, you record the bi-infinite sequence of subsets it lands in, when you apply the continuous function (we assume it's invertible, makes the theory a bit prettier) < 1283658977 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gives you a point in A^Z, if A is the set of those subsets partitioning the continuous space < 1283659003 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you do this for all the points in the space < 1283659011 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a subsets of A^Z < 1283659013 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*subset < 1283659042 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that subset turns out to be a shift space! < 1283659092 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember things like regular languages over A to describe the behaviour of those continuous functions (like, if the curve always oscillates between two of the partitions, you have (AB)*) < 1283659096 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cool stuff < 1283659118 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, (AB)* was not the best choice, since A was already used < 1283659127 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's continuous => discrete, then we usually require that going the other way (taking a sequence in A^Z) always gives you exactly one point in the continuous space, this doesn't give you all the continuous space, usually, but it gives you a dense subset < 1283659133 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if {a,b} subset A, then (ab)* < 1283659141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi < 1283659151 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, give me a tutorial someday < 1283659164 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going the other way is ... much harder to think about < 1283659168 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's happening already ;) < 1283659215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired and giggly to comprehend anything right now < 1283659221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, giggly gone < 1283659267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i graciously accept your birthday wishes < 1283659283 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: (ab)* couldn't be the language of the shift space, but Y = (ab)* + b(ab)* + (ab)*a could, needs to be closed under factors; in any case yes, that could be the language of an oscillating curve, then you just need to take all the bi-infinite words such that their subwords are in Y, and you get the shift space < 1283659300 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factors = subwords < 1283659322 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i believe you have been taught this same stuff < 1283659343 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I never took a course, but I did read some interesting books, which I half-understood. < 1283659353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't wait to struggle to understand the log tomorrow
< 1283659361 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Smale, applications to hardware like disk drives, and stuff... < 1283659411 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually seen much of the discrete vs continuous stuff, a few definitions (half of which i already sort of gave), and one example of finding a markov partition (markov partition = partition where the language of the shift space happens to be of "finite type") for a space < 1283659465 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift space of finite type means a bi-infinite word is in the language iff all its subwords less than N in length are in a set of allowed words < 1283659480 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N and the set of allowed words definining the shift space < 1283659485 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*defining < 1283659492 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what books < 1283659497 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283659547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an uncountable infinite discreet space? A countably infinite continuous space? Or are these axiomatically tied in, or is there a theorem? < 1283659564 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, what does discrete mean? < 1283659575 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So definitionally, then < 1283659587 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Gah, I don't remember all of them. The math library was my half-understood playground at one point... let me think. < 1283659597 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discreteness is defined in topology, and once you know the definition, those questions become trivial < 1283659605 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use that definition < 1283659634 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"continuous space" doesn't mean anything, rigorously speaking, afaik < 1283659642 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1283659648 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it could mean a perfect space < 1283659664 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no open set is singleton) < 1283659679 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: This was one: http://www.amazon.com/Topology-Computation-Proceedings-Smalefest/dp/0387979328 < 1283659695 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smale is a genius. < 1283659732 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many books out there, i've never even heard of that one :< < 1283659760 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: topologically speaking, a discrete space is one where every set is open < 1283659767 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is there an uncountable infinite discreet space?" < 1283659772 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let use construct one < 1283659778 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always been interested in "the topology of computation" (ill-defined as it is,) so when I saw this book I picked it up < 1283659781 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take an uncountably infinite set X < 1283659821 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it the discrete topology, giving us the topological space (X, 2^X) (set of open sets is just the powerset of X, set of all subsets) < 1283659842 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then by definition it is discrete < 1283659852 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's uncountable because X is < 1283659855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: cpressey: http://i.imgur.com/iCSp3.png I WEEP < 1283659879 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do you know topology? < 1283659902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION only knows it as "thingy where you don't tear or fold, but stretch"
< 1283659909 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that one took a little bit of thinking < 1283659935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you presumably already consumed a green? < 1283659968 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, learn to work out which area is the absolutely last one you can go to < 1283659973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to do that on an earlier level < 1283659998 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sounds like that might describe topology, yes < 1283660013 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Only barely. < 1283660020 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it could describe linear algebra as well... < 1283660045 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought linear algebra was matrixes < 1283660066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : let use construct one < 1283660066 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear algebra is linear transformations, matrices are an "implementation" of those < 1283660067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA AN ERROR < 1283660071 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*us < 1283660072 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1283660089 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have the "it's all about stretching" understanding of topology. I now have the "it's all about limits" understanding. < 1283660124 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the "there's a set and a collection of subsets that is closed under union and finite intersection, and the whole set and the empty set are in that collection" understanding < 1283660126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know very little topological math < 1283660156 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have the "topology is something cool and scary" understanding < 1283660156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I get for reading books geared towards laypeople < 1283660192 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much all I've _ever_ read. Stuff geared towards laypeople < 1283660209 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to actually be kind of useless for looking at finite, discrete objects, like say computer programs. You have to treat the object as being infinite or continuous in some respect, I think. < 1283660230 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think topology admits an english explanation that is intuitive, unambiguous and at all true < 1283660263 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Have you read "Counterexamples in Topology"? < 1283660268 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1283660280 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been planning to buy it thought because it's famous < 1283660284 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1283660285 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1283660320 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it entertaining even knowing very little about topology, because... well, counterexamples! < 1283660335 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok is turning into not-actually-drunk me! < 1283660378 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes it when people turn into people
< 1283660412 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, at the time I was also somewhat interested in... metric spaces? Something close to that. Something with "entourages". < 1283660430 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the things with entourages are between topological spaces and metric spaces < 1283660434 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are called uniform spaces < 1283660441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it, uniform spaces. < 1283660454 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember why I was interested in them, now :) < 1283660467 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is, you can't actually say how close two things are, like in metric spaces, but you can say "these two things are as close to each other are these other two are to each other", which you can't do in a topological space < 1283660510 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that comparison in quotes there only works if you do it "in some infinite way", a bit hard to explain what that means :P < 1283660515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283660593 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't actually compare the distances; but you can like get closer to two points at the same rate, in some sense < 1283660599 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really just know the definition, if that... < 1283660675 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1283660678 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more like < 1283660687 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get closer to an infinite amount of points at the same rate? < 1283660695 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should skip the intuitive stuff < 1283660766 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has to wp definition
< 1283660770 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't remember
< 1283660833 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, you'll have to direct me to some online resources < 1283660888 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hard to do, i would really just recommend going to uni :\ < 1283660903 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i could be more helpful if you knew what you were looking for < 1283660936 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for symbolic dynamics, "symbolic dynamics and coding" is an awesome book < 1283661028 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you probably can't read past chapter 3 if you don't know linear algebra, and you probably can't read past chapter 6 unless you're willing to spend a *lot* of time filling in details < 1283661047 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i spend about 1.5 hours on a proof today) < 1283661049 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spent < 1283661081 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks
< 1283661127 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent about that much time getting up to speed on Parsec (parser combinator library for Haskell) < 1283661172 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm slow < 1283661178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to take both grad and undergrad courses as a grad? < 1283661214 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in our university, you can do what the fuck you want < 1283661226 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably you won't get them in your degree < 1283661260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be as easy to learn math online as computer skills... < 1283661262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION growls
< 1283661276 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think I took about 2 hours, and most of the day before that, trying to decide if that was what I wanted to waste my time doing this weekend, or not - so I think I'm the one who's slow here :) < 1283661280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math is, even more than computer programming, something you can practice at home < 1283661308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math is a way of thinking < 1283661313 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that sounds soooooo cheesy < 1283661317 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1283661336 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts uni in 9 days
< 1283661349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Cheesy but true. < 1283661350 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts uni in 2 \o/
< 1283661359 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: guess what i'm taking this semester < 1283661364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been going for two weeks now
< 1283661376 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lucky bastard < 1283661385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: And now I have a 4 day weekend. < 1283661397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inexplicably, we get the day *after* labor day off as well. < 1283661430 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, math should be able to fulfill my Arts & Sciences requirements < 1283661433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here < 1283661436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, this is to add to the easiness of community college classes. < 1283661439 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's not a science, so... < 1283661443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mmm, cheap-ass semester) < 1283661506 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you are street smart and want to learn math, you should just take some random math book and start doing exercises like crazy. i can't really make myself do that, i make up for it by being able to stare at things for a long time. < 1283661520 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you didn't guess < 1283661522 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"street smart"? < 1283661541 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i thought if i say smart, you interpret it as "if you're already good at math" < 1283661573 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm good in the sense that I comprehend it well.. at least, I think I do. < 1283661582 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have common sense" < 1283661590 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ... and want to < 1283661592 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember nothing that I learned that's more advanced than the basics taught in Calc the Easy Way < 1283661605 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION distrusts common sense
< 1283661641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I know what you mean < 1283661642 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hint: you could guess, others couldn't < 1283661684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK WHY DID MY IME STOP WORKING < 1283661708 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: calc the easy way sounds like a horrible idea < 1283661708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restart terminal, all is well. < 1283661714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: 日本語？ < 1283661721 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes that his neighbors can't hear the sounds coming from his computer
< 1283661725 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, o.O howso? < 1283661729 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hai < 1283661735 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying I massively screwed myself over? < 1283661745 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i didn't start yet) < 1283661793 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance i don't actually know what you said :D < 1283661803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Japanese". < 1283661809 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any katakana or kanji, memorized all hiragana tho < 1283661824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Also: any idea what the cirriculum for that class is like? < 1283661834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curriculum, I mean. < 1283661839 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know the book < 1283661840 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... < 1283661846 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, hello? < 1283661849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of awful Japanese programs. I'd like to see a good one. < 1283661867 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integrated course in elementary japanese < 1283661871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283661872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283661880 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1283661892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genki? < 1283661895 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh sorry < 1283661899 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes < 1283661900 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283661901 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283661901 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283661902 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1283661902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite slow. < 1283661919 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i noticed < 1283661934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than most other programs, though. < 1283661936 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really all i care about is that i now have something to memorize with brain full of university energy < 1283661947 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: err, i'm not saying you screwed yourself over < 1283661972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(among other things, it *doesn't freaking have you use rômasì for long*) < 1283661979 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1283661996 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but calculus is something that i encourage everyone to learn as hard a way as possible < 1283662000 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party, oerjan < 1283662002 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1283662038 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: romasi = english alph? < 1283662045 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, equivalents of < 1283662059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "Roman letters", literal translation. < 1283662083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, without the diacritics that is completely incomprehensible. < 1283662100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rōmaji in the "normal" Hepburn romanisation, BTW) < 1283662125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aaaand rômazi in Nihonsiki and Kunreisiki) < 1283662136 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait is the s voiced or not < 1283662154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voiced. < 1283662173 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, but is it j or z :D < 1283662198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hepburn romanisation is the one that is related with English pronounciation. < 1283662223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: COMM... wait, i already did that. FASC... darn, did that too. PIRATE! < 1283662223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hiragana, that's ろーまじ. < 1283662230 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming japanese = lojban, shi = c, j = j, s = s, z = z < 1283662239 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/shi/sh/ < 1283662248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Close. < 1283662270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not precise, but not off by much. < 1283662278 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually heard any japanese after learning any of it < 1283662314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a microphone so I could record myself. As it is, I'll have to find a good example. < 1283662316 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because i started today and i don't watch anime) < 1283662342 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a pizza party with a pony parade! < 1283662367 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will probably be an interesting experience, because japanese is the first language i'm actually going to try to learn < 1283662391 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else i've learned by accident < 1283662399 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the classroom) < 1283662412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: a pizza party with a pony parade is no basis for a system of government < 1283662440 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew how to make hiragana < 1283662444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizzapartyocracy < 1283662447 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then me and pikhq could be annoying together < 1283662477 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that FRC round with -ocracy where the least fit governed? < 1283662478 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohayoo gozaimasu! < 1283662519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR7RS90NmaM&feature=related Here, have something about a Japanese speech contest. < 1283662546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the first thing I found that was both natural and relatively simple to listen to. < 1283662555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sleeps on #esoteric
< 1283662627 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i hear americaDJIN? < 1283662631 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean D < 1283662637 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pushes Sgeo off
< 1283662658 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1283662668 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck didn't i realize that's the natural thing to mean < 1283662672 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn lojban < 1283662673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if his first introduction to nomic was FRC
< 1283662694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, lojban uses j like that. < 1283662722 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember how I found FRC: Someone had a link about learning to play 4-dimensional scrabble < 1283662725 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRC is almost not a nomic < 1283662767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that that link was on a nomic related page. If so, I'm still kost < 1283662768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost < 1283662804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's just administrated by a nomic, and is a nomic-esque game < 1283662817 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1283662896 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's the clip about btw, idgi :D < 1283662958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRC is a nomic, but just a very weak one < 1283662995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Starts with a short blurb on the speaker, and then it's the guy's speech about his various interactions in Japan. Kinda mundane. < 1283663008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know. It's a speech contest for learners of Japanese. Boring shit. < 1283663023 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it wasn't a nomic < 1283663031 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just close to not a nomic < 1283663074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just the best example of how clearly spoken Japanese *sounds* like that I could find on short notice is all. < 1283663109 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes just out of curiosity < 1283663122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BTW, I should note: all the Japanese in there was in fairly clear Standard Japanese, and as such would sound "unaccented") < 1283663139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "They do things different in Japan!" < 1283663144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring ass shit. < 1283663149 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1283663194 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could make out america and japan, and ippon :D < 1283663208 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay a bit more < 1283663247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only somewhat more interesting than your typical textbook adventures of John Smith and Ichirô Tanaka seeing temples and eating sushi. < 1283663260 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sumisu < 1283663285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. Jōn Sumisu and Ichirō Tanaka. < 1283663417 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget mearii < 1283663426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who could forget? < 1283663436 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mearii san wa amerikajin desu < 1283663472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desu desu desu < 1283663516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1283663523 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck mentioned in #haskell < 1283663535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the rules! < 1283663537 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a swig
< 1283663554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: do you have a walkthrough for 64? >__> < 1283663555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hai, mearī san kà hèikoku kara ki'ta no de, nihonkò tiȳo'to musùkasī tà to omo'teiru ne'. < 1283663580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ketò sa, hètu ni musùkasikunai sè. < 1283663598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves non-standard romanisation
< 1283663669 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no < 1283663700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: darn < 1283663703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283663723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION は不標準なローマ字が大好きだ。
< 1283663723 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost me at first "ka" < 1283663742 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again at "heikoku":D < 1283663744 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" :D < 1283663750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a swig of water
< 1283663751 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should continue this after a few lessons < 1283663770 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "Yeah, because Mary came from America, she thinks that Japanese is hard, y'know? But really, it's not all that hard." < 1283663815 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "k� "because" < 1283663822 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"k�" < 1283663825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: BTW, the ` diacritic after a consonant is the ﾞ in kana. < 1283663830 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1283663832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ka du sei < 1283663843 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what i'm used to seeing as "ga" < 1283663848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in pikhq-romanisation) < 1283663877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the - over a letter is the katakana ー, which elongates a vowel. < 1283663882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1283663887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, I did it all wrong. < 1283663897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be ^. < 1283663903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- should be the small kana indicator. < 1283663914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even do it right. XD < 1283663915 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kana the same as hiragana < 1283663925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiragana is one of two forms of kana. < 1283663926 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1283663930 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1283663952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, lemme just stick that in Hiragana. < 1283664001 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1283664023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :はい、　めありい　さん　が　べいこく　から　きたので、にほんご　ちょっと　むずかしい　と　思っている　ねっ。 < 1283664036 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm rather slow, but let's see < 1283664042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :けど　さ、　べつに　むずかしくない　ぜ。 < 1283664065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in normal Japanese: (:P) < 1283664082 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also those are rather different-looking hiragana than the ones i've seen, so i'm even slower < 1283664096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1283664104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/思っている/おもっている/ < 1283664106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry about that. < 1283664109 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly they are smaller :P < 1283664118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :はい、メアリーさんが米国から来たので、日本語がちょっと難しいと思っているねっ。 < 1283664130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :けどさ、別に難しくないぜ。 < 1283664326 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so okay < 1283664331 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283664339 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i got to the part you corrected) < 1283664341 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:D) < 1283664612 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1283664627 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i read it without understanding it. < 1283664737 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project! Term-rewriting language with strict typing. Describe the type system with rewriting rules! < 1283664815 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sii)(sii) < 1283664850 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to sleep again ->
< 1283664976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to have come down with a cold! < 1283664978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitching! < 1283665009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bitching cold, the worst kind < 1283665127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to get some cold medicine and munch.
< 1283665413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Project! Term-rewriting language with strict typing. Describe the type system with rewriting rules! < 1283665414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did this < 1283665416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1283665437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system got terminally rewritten < 1283665500 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rho was sort of supposed to have this in a nasty unclear way. < 1283665543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the problem is, what is typed? < 1283665545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no functions < 1283665548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's hard to imagine what you type < 1283665582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine had functions initially being (forall a, b, c, ... a|(a,b)|(a,b,c)|... -> forall r, r) < 1283665583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of thing < 1283665586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they got refined gradually < 1283665633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to breath again dammi
< 1283665635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1283665669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breathing is _so_ last millennium < 1283665727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if "... is _so_ last ..." is _so_ last millennium
< 1283665941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nö, büt yöü nëëd tö mäkë ït mörë mëtäl. < 1283665963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ö KÄY < 1283666029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1283666538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: CHALLENGE: COMPLETE XJUMP < 1283666568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the graph of e^xi just a circle? < 1283666611 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1283666623 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Wolfram alpha has the real and imaginary parts be sin-like < 1283666637 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that's kind of obvious >.> < 1283666645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real is cos, imag is sine < 1283666664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would it look on a nice 3d graph, though? < 1283666731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dame.dyndns.org/misc/xjump/ < 1283666738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who can get 100 on this is a god. < 1283666738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ...like a spiral? < 1283666755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*helix < 1283666770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why are you awake? < 1283666794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why shouldn't I be? < 1283666805 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's late at night for you? < 1283666835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1283667089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1283667109 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283667112 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1283667148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1283667150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell are YOU < 1283667151 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot this channel existed! until somebody randomly mentioned miss piggy. < 1283667154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit nosebleed < 1283667164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: ah yes, the banned one. < 1283667194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, hi lament < 1283667197 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's banned? < 1283667200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless oerjan unbanned (s)h/it; I forget < 1283667213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes, she spammed "FUCK YOU" for about 50 lines < 1283667217 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1283667221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not currently banned, no < 1283667230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after showing clear signs of utter mental insanity several times before and basically freaking out on everyone else < 1283667238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were at the 2 breakdowns/day stage < 1283667246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: DON'T SAY SHE SHE'LL GET ANGRY < 1283667248 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament!!!! < 1283667254 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey!!!!! < 1283667258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she yelled at me and augur for PRESUMING HER GENDER) < 1283667265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament cpressey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1283667328 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I've been wondering where you were... < 1283667355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION begins mentally playing that song from Falcon's Eye
< 1283667385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfgsdfgojdifgoisfdjg it's 6am < 1283667388 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: after getting a job as a programmer, i lost all interest in programming < 1283667393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why have you played falcon's eye? < 1283667400 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric or not < 1283667401 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Good grief. I know what that's like < 1283667405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't [much] < 1283667416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, stop trying to convince me that alise is right < 1283667424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: it's a good thing that nobody talks about programming languages here, then < 1283667430 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1283667435 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283667436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go look for my phone < 1283667442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: both you and oklofok came back on the same day < 1283667443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a delight < 1283667451 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's mostly about Japanese and how Sgeo is drunk. < 1283667458 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a dildo that smells like jones strawberry lime soda. just fyi. < 1283667469 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see. < 1283667469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! < 1283667474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the gay sex is back! < 1283667475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the sex. < 1283667479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And augur's gay. < 1283667494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captain, I hypothesise that we are, in fact, going BACKWARDS through the fourth dimension... that is to say, time. < 1283667519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we do not take action soon, we will find ourselves in a time when there IS no #esoteric, and the process will be irreversible. < 1283667539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's 6am, so I'm talking schizophrenically. Just like old times ... < 1283667547 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the direction of decreasing entropy? sounds pretty nice < 1283667578 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we established that I'm not actually drunk? < 1283667583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter how drunk I may seem < 1283667598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Yes... but increasing... PRIMITIVENESS. < 1283667633 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can go back before PHP was invented. Or before X was invented < 1283667640 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop these atrocities from being committed < 1283667660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captain! I'm picking up unusual sensor readings! It appears that, as our "bubble" of #esoteric is travelling forwards in time compared to the backwards flow of outside the bubble -- otherwise, we would experience things as normal, both sides being switched -- we are ADDING entropy, yet as entropy OUTSIDE the channel is decreasing, there is nowhere for it to go! < 1283667663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm trying to compile C code under Amiga Workbench 1.3. That has to count for something. < 1283667675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I estimate that entropy will take over our channel entirely in... 3.6 hours. < 1283667684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What shall we do, Captain?!?!?!?!?! < 1283667747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may appear like a shocking and unexpected suggestion to you, but if the polarity of entropy is currently the wrong way... < 1283667799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you suggesting, Number One? < 1283667809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pretend the captain said that. Whoever e is.) < 1283667827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We might then try to reverse the polarity. < 1283667883 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: At one time, you implemented Thue in Javascript -- is this true? < 1283667889 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283667958 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20031210145310js_/http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.js < 1283667978 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: What license can I consider this code to be under? < 1283667982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It could work. However, there has been an overload in the temporal dynamics systems, and the entropy explosion would be immense. We would have to exit the bubble, exposing ourselves to high levels of positron radiation. < 1283667983 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the corresponding .html < 1283667984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your time-traveling powers < 1283667990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hull would likely collapse. < 1283668016 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you could have written technobabble for Voyager! < 1283668017 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1283668035 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: er, public domain i suppose < 1283668041 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1283668048 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to pay me $10000000000 to use it < 1283668056 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAP! < 1283668061 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. < 1283668067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: maybe if we _also_ reverse parity, switching matter and antimatter. this might be achieved by taking a detour through a mirror dimension. < 1283668074 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *think* I have $10000000000... < 1283668091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "It is made of anti-time. And it is giving off anti-time radiation." < 1283668093 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I suspect I'd be a lot happier, if I did. < 1283668117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Grapple with the Terran Empire? But the production team forgot to switch the main titles! < 1283668192 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: money can't buy happiness < 1283668231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: but if we do it _before_ reversing polarity, while entropy is still decreasing - then they would actually appear to be trying to help us. in a weird way. < 1283668232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can buy an awful lot of booze and hookers! < 1283668234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know this because after the last guy to use my Thue interpreter paid me $10000000000, i'm not really any happier < 1283668260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Removing fatal phaser shots from our cold, dead bodies! Interesting. < 1283668269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just wait for someone to claim to be the captain and give it the go-ahead. < 1283668280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1283668357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! Passed level 10! < 1283668398 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may need to charge -$10 dollars for users of PSOX < 1283668412 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, passed level 12 now. < 1283668476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: how many bits is the number in which that usage charge is stored? and is it signed or unsigned? < 1283668513 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To compile C code on the Amiga, you need headers for the AmigaOS API. They're not freely distributable, but you can recreate them from the "FD" files that ship with AmigaBASIC, with the help of a utlity program called FixFD which appears on Fred Fish disk #183. < 1283668530 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night all < 1283668596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1283668600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283668838 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Dare I ask -- what language(s) are you programming in, in your job? < 1283668873 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :objc++ at the moment < 1283668898 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the coolest thing i did recently was try to debug postscript < 1283668951 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know C++, and I know /of/ ObjC, but I didn't know they could be... combined. But I know that Postscript is much cooler than both :) < 1283669002 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just combined the natural way < 1283669015 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resulting language has two completely separate object systems < 1283669036 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two separate exception handling systems, even two boolean types (bool and BOOL) < 1283669120 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! The joy! < 1283669165 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes C is used, or C++, or Objective C, or even Objective C++. But I prefer Enhanced CWEB (compiling in C mode). There is also D, and is there Objective D++? < 1283669168 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not so bad in practice < 1283669211 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just parts of code are written in straight c++, and parts in objc, and interfacing them is easy < 1283669217 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can be sometimes useful to mix things from different program languages < 1283669413 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes it cannot be done, using the normal way..... I have sometimes found myself wanting to use GOTO in program languages that doesn't have it, use some features of Forth in other programming langauges, and even once INTERCAL stuff! < 1283669479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had sort of heard the point of D was to get _rid_ of C++'s object system < 1283669489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well one point at least) < 1283669506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I think that was one point, there are others, too. < 1283669521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means Objective D++ makes no sense < 1283669570 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I know, but I am a bit crazy and I think of crazy ideas sometimes < 1283669590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1283669592 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, Enhanced CWEB is good enough for these kind of things, Objective C++ is not needed < 1283669611 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong about FixFd. I think the header files it creates are for assembly-language programs. :/ But I know I've done this before, there is a tool out there somewhere that can do it. < 1283669612 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have nothing against if someone else wants to use a different program language < 1283669676 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, none of you have opinion about TeXnicard, because you only use LaTeX? Is that correct? < 1283669732 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even use LaTeX. < 1283669736 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At best, I use HTML. < 1283669750 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With things like a ≡ b &union; c. < 1283669862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1283669912 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For simple on-screen formatting, HTML works OK. And even for more complicated interactive stuff, HTML can be used (but it should not be overused!). HTML files can be printed as well. But TeX is more better, for many things! < 1283669935 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a "Munching Squares" program for the Amiga! < 1283669957 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You probably can, they are generally simple programs and can be found for various systems < 1283670006 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I used LaTeX a long time ago. With the AMS extensions (AMSLaTeX?) It was a huge pain to set up on the OS I was using at the time (FreeBSD).\ < 1283670104 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make TeXnicard because there are many things about Magic Set Editor which I do not like. < 1283670157 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, TeXnicard can be seen as one alternative program that can be used for a similar function. < 1283670192 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard allows you to combine TeX, METAFONT, Forth, ImageMagick, and WEB. < 1283670664 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I write a program, it is the computer's job to automate everything but it is the user's job to think for themself. This is contrary to many modern programs, in which the computer tries to do both jobs, which isn't very good in my opinion. < 1283671009 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1283671114 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think the thing that translates .FD -> .h is called "LibTool", on Fish Disk #393. But, it's late, I could be wrong. < 1283671169 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm sure I'm the only one who cares :D < 1283671221 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a hankerin' to be buildin' me some C programs on an operating system that's been obsolete for 15 years! < 1283671331 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder if there were any Forths for the Amiga, on those Fish disks? < 1283671450 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh! False appeared on Fred Fish Disk #885! I did not know that. < 1283671742 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283671753 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283671761 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21759F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283672956 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BytePusher is not pure non-arithmetic, because addition is still required to execute an instruction. < 1283673554 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1283673599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1283673600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1283673698 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283673706 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283674072 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283674446 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283675222 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283675403 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283675420 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283675479 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283675699 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1283675880 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21759F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283676914 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283677073 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283677538 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283678937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283679447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if for all acts of pedantry there exists a Wikipedian who will try to put it into force
< 1283679496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, agree? < 1283679497 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i guess the big well that's not too bad but < 1283679524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take that as a "yes". < 1283680490 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283680516 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1283681319 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@78.104.80.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283681321 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283681597 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283681711 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1283681959 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1283682322 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283682800 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283683944 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1283685427 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my dream, alise and cpressey sent me a postcard that was an invite to come explore the "natural hoovers" of another universe (natural hoover being a technical term for an inverse volcano) < 1283686341 0 :distant_figure!~nine@41-133-148-136.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1283687069 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1283687172 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283687242 0 :distant_figure!~nine@41-133-148-136.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1283687573 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1283687824 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283688745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, rather unusual dream < 1283688770 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i got 130 < 1283688896 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1283689168 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there were less unusual elements, like things falling in the ocean and me having to dive quickly to catch the important items < 1283689189 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that means i'm searching for long lost love < 1283689203 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it means you're turning batshit insane < 1283689246 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i got the postcard, the first thing i said was "what the fuck, i have to pay a receiver's fee?!?" < 1283689272 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was recently in scotland, where phones start doing that) < 1283689277 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my sister rebooted my computer trying to turn on the screens, so I'm missing some history, like the actual description of the dream) < 1283689280 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so that one was obvious) < 1283689287 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also how SMS:es work in the US < 1283689301 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| < 1283689307 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what people can just make you pay < 1283689315 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, as I understand it's free to send them, but it costs to receive them < 1283689327 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do they have the option of not receiving them < 1283689347 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean otherwise if you give someone your phone number, they can just make you pay millions of dollars for fun < 1283689360 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they have to, it'd be crazy otherwise < 1283689384 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then again i heard all americanos are stupids so? < 1283689458 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously... so maybe no-one's figured out how to exploit it yet < 1283689477 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain how a system like that still works < 1283690097 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283690116 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1283690932 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yrep < 1283691443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } else if (c != KEY_VIEW); < 1283691443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : goto gotkey; < 1283691446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1283691464 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think that is obfuscated, rather than buggy < 1283693255 0 :SimonRC_!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1283693566 0 :SimonRC_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SimonRC < 1283693572 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1283694130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lols at the darths & droids punchline
< 1283694341 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1283694342 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1283694343 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1283694344 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1283694345 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1283694346 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1283694346 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1283694353 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it btw? < 1283694372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: are you trying to get banned? < 1283694386 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe?!? < 1283694477 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: my solution to megavideo's time limit: connect via uni < 1283696602 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E397A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283699011 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283699255 0 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-119-166.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1283699332 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skoml < 1283699642 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-136.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1283699745 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283700163 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283700163 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283700432 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.124.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283701011 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate circuit analysis < 1283701151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of circuit analysis < 1283701176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind where you solve 15 variable equations manually < 1283701190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i'm a deity < 1283701274 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1283701277 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1283701367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god of extreme overconfidence < 1283701646 0 :choochter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1283702102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:49:16 BytePusher is not pure non-arithmetic, because addition is still required to execute an instruction. < 1283702104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1283702252 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: We didn't want to keep the exquisite pleasures of these natural hoovers all to ourselves! < 1283702291 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: (Don't tell him about how my brother is in the natural hoover tourism trade.) < 1283702323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W h a t < 1283702348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283702376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: don't worry about that, natural hoovers suck something terrible < 1283702404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know what they suck < 1283702466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of rocks and the occasional tourist, i think < 1283702643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283703011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling for natural hoover gives a page about tornados http://82sluggowin.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/if-you-cannot-find-shelter-lay-face-down-in-a-ditch-and-cover-your-head-with-your-hands/ < 1283703181 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1283703506 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1283703757 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-92-186-206.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283704054 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an idiot. Here I am going through all these contortions to find heirloom AmigaOS API header files, when if all I'm going to do is compile ANSI C sources on the platform, I shouldn't need them! < 1283704081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT TORNADO WARNING! < 1283704097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make an awesome meme < 1283704170 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@80-123-43-31.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1283704286 0 :madbrain2!~madbrain@modemcable207.154-59-74.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1283704373 0 :distant_figure!~nine@41-133-148-136.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1283704784 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283705020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mutters
< 1283705058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1283705060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: BTW: good work on learning hiragana before the class starts. That alone gets rid of most of the egregious pronunciation errors. < 1283705066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sick is all. < 1283705123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates how some courses use nothing but rômasì.
< 1283705135 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283705192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is s pronounced as English j? < 1283705201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like sh, or? < 1283705242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The ` diacritic notes that the "si" mora is voiced. And because the "si" mora is pronounced more like "shi", the voiced version is more like "ji". < 1283705279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jit," said Shon. < 1283705285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: This is, of course, all in non-standard romanisation. One which follows Japanese orthography a bit closer than is needed. :P < 1283705334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(among other things, it makes conjugations and common pronunciation changes in words significantly easier than standard romanisation schemes.) < 1283705360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... At the expense of being completely unuseful to the unwashed masses) < 1283705501 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-91.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283705504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ROMANISE THIS: ドット新死エディション < 1283705539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Tò'to sinn si etèīsiȳonn < 1283705556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do the _'d letters show as sans here >_< < 1283705558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid font < 1283705567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And bigger too) < 1283705575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(And bigger, too) < 1283706034 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totto new death edition? < 1283706062 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As much as I love C, its structures suck. < 1283706062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: "Dot -- Super Death Edition". < 1283706080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, wait, I've got compose. < 1283706089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dot — Super Death Edition" < 1283706107 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows as a box < 1283706122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: You fail at Unicode. < 1283706129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't even display English text. < 1283706178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1283706193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Dot — Super Death Edition” < 1283706194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1283706216 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 boxes now < 1283706229 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what symbols are you using? < 1283706297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right quotation mark, em dash, left quotation mark. < 1283706347 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, even *I* can see *em dashes*. < 1283706364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, L and R quotation marks look the same to me :/ < 1283706375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's just a font matter. < 1283706443 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old fixedsys < 1283706449 0 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-52-193.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1283706456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: ouch < 1283706462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memories < 1283706574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Make it stop. < 1283706807 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283706813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: die < 1283706854 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@m-181.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1283707001 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W00T < 1283707011 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just build 'cat' under AmigaOS 1.3 < 1283707015 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*built < 1283707046 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I needed to build a fully profiled version because I haven't yet found a non-profiling-enabled amiga13.lib) < 1283707068 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with fixedsys? < 1283707098 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like twice as good as any version of courier new < 1283707114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's ... not saying ... much ... ... anything ... < 1283707225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consolas <3 < 1283707279 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: might be an interesting choice yeah < 1283707397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you still have everything in that theme < 1283707402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :white on black consolas < 1283707423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283707435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. computer broked so it went as i mentioned. < 1283707441 0 :kareem!~shahkarim@202.142.174.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283707465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i was just hoping the timeline was restored :'( < 1283707476 0 :kareem!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1283707485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1283707499 0 :kareem!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : how r u < 1283707507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so alise did you get those new wishing stones and witch wands we were talking about for our esoterica evening < 1283707516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABSOLUTELY < 1283707521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sacrificed ALL the goats. < 1283707525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them. Every single one. < 1283707531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm < 1283707532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kareem: in case you can't tell, we're talking about programming. hello. < 1283707543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...didn't we talk about doing that TOGETHER < 1283707567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were going to find the holy human sacrifice... < 1283707598 0 :kareem!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1283708049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drat, I didn't even get a chance to tell him that DICE isn't handling the insanity that is RUBE.c very well < 1283708106 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! GURU < 1283708178 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what if you scared off someone who _was_ interested in esoteric programming languages? < 1283708184 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I should blame oklopol < 1283708201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have too many people here already < 1283708216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should be banned < 1283708218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1283708218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: who cares < 1283708242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes let's ban oklopol < 1283708261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would teach me to speak crapshit < 1283708275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From somewhere, don't remember where: "Of course non-English speakers often want special characters. The problem is there are too many of them (characters, not non-English speakers)." < 1283708388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There's plenty of special characters in English, you naïve fool. < 1283708432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do English speakers really *want* them? < 1283708479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do. < 1283708503 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "special" < 1283708562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, in the context of the original quote "special" would mean "non-ASCII"; but really, I don't remember where it was from. < 1283708758 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283708933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The café was staffed by naïve fools; I had no hope of gaining their coöperation. < 1283709229 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1283709239 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once again, I am an idiot. "Note that you may compile 1.3 programs with the 2.0 amiga.lib as long as you avoid 2.0-specific calls." < 1283709246 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once again, I am an idiot. "Note that you may compile 1.3 programs with the 2.0 amiga.lib as long as you avoid 2.0-specific calls." < 1283709267 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an idiot a third time for repeating myself. < 1283709413 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas. Dice is still generating assembly which it cannot itself assemble. < 1283709963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the signal value in dBm for wlan networks is always negative isn't it? < 1283709981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: -60 dBm or similar < 1283710072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why did it claim 4dBm for one network in the list of networks... in iwlist scanning output that is. Presumably a fluke since doing a second scan showed a more usual value < 1283710113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia's helpful table has "-10 to -30 dBm" as a typical maximum for wifi. 0 dBm would mean 1 mW of power; the same table lists that as the typical power of Bluetooth radio at 1 m distance. < 1283710135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, doing a second scan had it at -88 dBm < 1283710137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, bef.c and maentw.c-with-tweaks compile, but that's not much of a joy since they were originally developed under dice) < 1283710171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 4 dBm seems rather unlikely < 1283710238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, especially if it's at -88 dBm "normally". < 1283710349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the noise ratio seems strange too, was at -40 dBm at that point, which is odd, since my card doesn't report the noise... < 1283710368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it always report -127 dBm for the noise) < 1283710373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except here it seems) < 1283710416 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t, sally2c compiles! Getting it to run, and seeing if the code it generates compiles too, is another matter... < 1283710430 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, is sally some esolang? < 1283710455 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no. God forbid I be on-topic here. < 1283710463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, XD < 1283710470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so what is sally2c then < 1283710496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a compiler for a language I designed in the late 90's < 1283710505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you designed a non-esolang? < 1283710536 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1283710564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that about it not being an esolang was a joke then? < 1283710579 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phone's /proc/net/wireless lists -46 and -95 (presumably dBm) for "level" and "noise" when the phone's ~1.5 m from the wlan access point. < 1283710599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey never meant any of his languages to be esolangs, they were just ahead of their time. that's why, this time, cpressey waited 20 years before making a compiler < 1283710610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1283710612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, too close will cause problems too iirc < 1283710625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and, how good is the built in antenna? < 1283710640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it isn't exactly "late 2010's" yet but anyway < 1283710654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging from the quality of wlan on other phones, it would be rather bad < 1283710657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe cpressey is just one decade smarter than the rest of us < 1283710693 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I design languages. Some of them are indisputably esoteric. Some of them are not indisputably so. < 1283710711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No clue, but from anecdotal evidence, I think it gets better wlan reception than my iBook. And definitely better than one PCMCIA wlan card, but then again that was one pretty horrible card. < 1283710712 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the compiler for Sally back in the 90's too, but I'm only now trying to compile it for the Amiga. < 1283710733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm okay. < 1283710759 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Maybe I'm kind of like Sousa, who meant all of his marches to be romantic love songs, but they turned out to be... marches < 1283710763 0 :olsner!~sal@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1283710782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not sure about ibooks but based on casual observation macbooks tend to have rather good built in wlan. Same for thinkpads as well. < 1283710856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: maybe he had never been in love < 1283710858 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Wait, does LambdaMOO have anything to do with functional programming? Or did they put "Lambda" in the name for no reason? < 1283710905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: But Sally is crap! < 1283710905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1283710916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Nothing to do with FP as far as I know. < 1283710921 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while since I looked at the language. Not sure if you cna write map in it. It's much more like a .. Self thing than functional < 1283710927 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prototype-based < 1283710952 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LambdaMOO is a specific moo < 1283710954 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a language < 1283711125 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yeah yeah < 1283711154 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's written in C, is my main constraint. Apparent rube.c is too complex to be compiled by dice. < 1283711185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I figured it was a MOO, but thought maybe its scripting language was Lisp, or something < 1283711410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sally 2 will not be crap. OTOH, it will probably not be called Sally :/ < 1283711441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: X-D < 1283711575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which platform was DICE for? < 1283711647 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: AmigaOS < 1283711655 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283711757 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sally2c runs and generates C code and dice can compile that code and the example programs run and I can compute factorial with it! So my nominal goal for the weekend of "compile one of my languages that wasn't developed on the Amiga, on an Amiga," has been completed < 1283711799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now back to Dot Action 2 < 1283711853 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: At level 18 or so. Need cheat code! Computer spontaneously shut down earlier. < 1283711868 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a nice weekend goal < 1283711869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://jayisgames.com/archives/2007/04/dot_action_2.php#walkthrough < 1283711879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Dot Action 2 is a LIFE goal < 1283711891 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I meant the amiga one < 1283711902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW < 1283711983 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Shweet. < 1283711987 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but ... then why did you sound like you didn't? < 1283712010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: DOT ACTION 2 IS A SUPERIOR GOAL BECAUSE IT IS A LIFE GOAL NOT A WEEKEND GOAL < 1283712037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god i forgot stage 18 is horrible < 1283712067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude this shit is easy :| < 1283712075 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about dot action 2, what is dot action 2 and why are you talking in all-caps? < 1283712099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Dot Action 2 is http://dotaction.fizzlebot.com/ and it is the only thing that matters. < 1283712155 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pushes alise onto a yellow dot
< 1283712157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a simple game: collect the blue dots by running with the arrow keys and jumping with space. The yellow/orange dots kill you unless you get a red dot, which lasts until the ZET timer runs out. The green dot flips the entire playfield upside-down. Grey blocks are water, and you can swim in them by jumping. < 1283712159 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Timing the spacebar in the 1-cell-deep water? Maybe for you! < 1283712162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the time runs out, you lose. < 1283712172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you fall down past the bottom of the level, you lose. < 1283712176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA GOOD LUCK SUCKER < 1283712186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: No timing required. < 1283712190 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I've loaded the page, so how do you start the game? < 1283712193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beat you spacebar to death. < 1283712203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Press space in the Flash until you get to the level selection screen. < 1283712214 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, *space* < 1283712214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number on the bottom is the NNN-NNN save code; use the second menu item to load this again. < 1283712217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It changes each level.) < 1283712229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Enter pauses; you can continue or end the level. < 1283712234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it gets much, MUCH harder. < 1283712239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283712242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 100 levels and 8 further bonus levels. You will die. < 1283712258 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many, many times, you will die. < 1283712319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on to stage 66. There are many ahead of me, yet I am already nearly spent. < 1283712406 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost got to the end of level 1 but then I fell through the gap in the floor, so I think I'll just give up here < 1283712423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283712428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many have said that. < 1283712432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will be playing again soon. < 1283712453 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? I have forgotten the address < 1283712486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dotaction.fizzlebot.com/ < 1283712512 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283712544 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideone.com has support for Factor. It also hasn support for Falcon < 1283712574 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Clearly we need a "Falctorn" < 1283712589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a couple levs < 1283712609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wat < 1283712764 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There must be an implementation of Falctorn which runs on the BBC Micro, because "Acorn" is also embedded in that word. < 1283712852 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I've never played with any of that RISC OS stuff. < 1283712886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acorn has nothing to do with the BBC Micro... < 1283712889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really ought to find out what Factor is
< 1283712900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They *made* the BBC Micro. < 1283712923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they did? Okay. < 1283712967 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Factor is to Forth as Haskell is to Lisp. Except, I'm lying. < 1283712976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your ignorance makes Chris Curry cry. < 1283713058 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Chris* Curry? < 1283713079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really really hopes that was his name
< 1283713085 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any relation to Haskell, I wonder < 1283713105 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wikipedia seems to think it was < 1283713112 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1283713133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1283713165 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought it was Haskell Curry for some reason >.>
< 1283713192 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, two people sharing the same name < 1283713193 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1283713203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE THEY < 1283713249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is named after haskell curry, obviously < 1283713254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1283713256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Are you still pro-picoLisp? (Because I can't think for myself, and I need to know if a language has the Alise Stamp of Doesn't-Entirely-Suck before I start bothering with it) < 1283713284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's certainly interesting. Read the wiki; all of it. http://www.picolisp.org/5000/-2.html (It's not very big.) < 1283713286 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two people sharing a surname? UNHEARD OF < 1283713302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite used two display modes at once. < 1283713304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes it awesome. < 1283713323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The front page, http://software-lab.de/radical.pdf, "Articles & Essays", a lot of the documentation, and the part of the book that has been written are all interesting. < 1283713337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Elite in general is awesome. < 1283713341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And this forum post: http://www.picolisp.org/5000/-2-L.html < 1283713345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what languages do fall into alise's entirely-suck category? < 1283713353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++? < 1283713356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hmm... PHP. < 1283713359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D? < 1283713361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guess a few, but there are probably more < 1283713362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: C++ has a shred of C in it, so it can't fall entirely there < 1283713367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh, do guess! < 1283713374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java? < 1283713375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always interested in meeting the little version of me people have in their heads. < 1283713376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to put LOLCODE up there < 1283713382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, down there < 1283713383 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely. < 1283713389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, LOLCODE is a great language if you replace the syntax with regular keywords. < 1283713391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. I tried it once. < 1283713400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I've heard some people saying that it's a decent lang in a bad syntax < 1283713415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it rather similar to Lua, if you don't take the syntax into account? < 1283713454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, maybe < 1283713456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has types and stuff < 1283713458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although not static) < 1283713464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's relatively unique in its oddness < 1283713467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially its loop construct < 1283713475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and its conditionals; "if" looks at an implicit variable < 1283713478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you do things like < 1283713480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you really hate PHP and that's it. < 1283713486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo == "bar", if < 1283713487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283713487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else < 1283713488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283713489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endif < 1283713509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a sort of "discarded result of last expression" variable? < 1283713511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: C++ entirely sucks. Sorry. < 1283713527 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C cannot survive that kind of pollution. < 1283713552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, any others? < 1283713586 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about D to say. < 1283713612 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm guessing Plain English < 1283713617 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But perhaps that was obvious < 1283713636 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is that one that's like the name of a greek god or something but misspelled? < 1283713646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nemerle? < 1283713653 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say, like, MINURVA < 1283713661 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, Roman, not Greek :/) < 1283713667 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOOPITER < 1283713668 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Nemerle < 1283713678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: are you happy now, i'm hooked < 1283713680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis misspelt. < 1283713687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: wat" <<< dot < 1283713727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 levels passed or something < 1283713798 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was designed by an economist to do economics math and stuff < 1283713809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R? < 1283713811 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 United DJs vs Pandora < 1283713820 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to list Greek gods
< 1283713823 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, R looks OK by comparison. This was BancStar-level < 1283713833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → food
< 1283713834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yay you are addicted again < 1283713834 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm thinking it's probably not a Greek god :/ < 1283713851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, a sort of "discarded result of last expression" variable? ;; something like that < 1283713877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think only conditionals assigned it < 1283713878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1283713892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, alise: The author used it personally for a long time, described it as "mature" so he decided to make it public < 1283713901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: like a flag variable in asm, then? < 1283713902 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1283713904 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You introduced me to it < 1283713939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only had tangential experience with it, but STATA is somewhere between C++ and BANCStar on the scale of awfulness < 1283713945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I did? < 1283713952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made worse by the fact that it's actually used seriously < 1283713965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a lang which not only has Mathematica syndrome, but no redeeming features whatsoever < 1283713981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance, arrays are implemented by dynamically generating variable names at runtime and using eval) < 1283713996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, I'm pretty sure you gave me the link, months ago < 1283714004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: describe it more < 1283714007 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might actually have it bookmarked, at work < 1283714049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK, designed by an economist, for his personal use doing economist-type math, extrEEEMELY horrible syntax, name is a misspelled version of some english word or name < 1283714082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what kind of site did it have? < 1283714097 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Plain HTML I think, in the UK I think < 1283714105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OH! < 1283714107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's that one! < 1283714110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the bunch of characters < 1283714111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postfix < 1283714115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixed with others < 1283714116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ursala! < 1283714117 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds familiar, yes < 1283714118 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1283714120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.basis.uklinux.net/ursala/ < 1283714121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ursala! < 1283714122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, yes Ursala < 1283714134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's completely devoid of bad ideas, though < 1283714137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, a misspelled Disney antagonist, then. < 1283714145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1283714146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like C++; there are good ideas in there somewhere, but buried too deeply to actually by useful < 1283714217 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there doesn't appear to be a Greek goddess named Ursula, at least not one of note < 1283714289 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.basis.uklinux.net/ursala/queen.fun < 1283714348 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good ideas buried under something that matches Befunge and False for readability < 1283714375 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outstrips, really, not matches < 1283714377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "ursula" latin for "little bear"? < 1283714385 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes < 1283714416 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go read up on D'ni history < 1283714447 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the real world hold no interest for me? < 1283714460 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@i-190.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1283714494 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: not intellectual enough? < 1283714506 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1283714529 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, as far as science goes, all new real-world science is inaccessible to people without insane equipment < 1283714543 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, in Second Life, I can perform experiments to my heart's desire < 1283714545 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example < 1283714549 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we did the easy science first of course :D < 1283714575 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life < 1283714585 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find something about this site disturbing < 1283714648 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such an uncreative use of time < 1283714672 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the result is a massive "cookbook" < 1283714675 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Create_a_two-dimensional_array_at_runtime < 1283714730 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Apply_a_callback_to_an_array < 1283714736 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they call it a "callback"? < 1283714745 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I think of when I see "callback" < 1283714875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk 'func psqr(x){print x,x*x}BEGIN{split("1 2 3 4 5",a);for(i in a)psqr(a[i])}' < 1283714881 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that's not a callback. < 1283714890 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!awk 'func psqr(x){print x,x*x}BEGIN{split("1 2 3 4 5",a);for(i in a)psqr(a[i])}' < 1283714912 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: ping < 1283714921 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo 'hi' < 1283714927 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'hi' < 1283714932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!awk -h < 1283714938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't HackEgo run with the backtick? < 1283714945 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1283714947 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh < 1283714950 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`awk -h < 1283714962 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1283714969 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`awk 'func psqr(x){print x,x*x}BEGIN{split("1 2 3 4 5",a);for(i in a)psqr(a[i])}' < 1283714971 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1283714978 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which awk < 1283714980 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/awk < 1283715022 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk: line 2: function psqr never defined < 1283715023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1283715136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run awk 'function psqr(x){print x,x*x}BEGIN{split("1 2 3 4 5",a);for(i in a)psqr(a[i])}' 2>&1 < 1283715138 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 \ 2 4 \ 3 9 \ 4 16 \ 5 25 < 1283715169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, `run with 2>&1 is a good combination for error messages. < 1283715201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "function", but maybe the submitters awk is less picky. < 1283715296 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. mawk no like 'func'. < 1283715315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the Rosetta people are calling callback
< 1283715321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1283715392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, why do OISCs suck? < 1283715525 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283715529 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not neat enough? < 1283715622 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@i-190.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1283715655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonymous functions? Are these people completely insane? < 1283715671 0 :Killerkid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283715829 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, is there a variant of combinator calculus that only needs one combinator? < 1283715839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of. < 1283715857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iota and Jot both have a single combinator. < 1283715903 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283715916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1283715929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although no such /supercombinator/ calculus < 1283715939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also a two-combinator calculus that does not require parentheses, ever, iirc < 1283715942 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supercombinator? < 1283715943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in normal application order) < 1283715948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a lambda with no lambdas inside < 1283715967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI, BCKW, etc. are all supercombinators. < 1283715971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iota isn't < 1283715973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't. < 1283716125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCKW? < 1283716143 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one combinator with different appication trees, or two combinators sounds like the minimum < 1283716160 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't beat that < 1283716184 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :picolisp seems pretty decent, but it's a bit surprising to see that the size of its executable is larger than lua5's by like 150% < 1283716207 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, badly worded. Its executable is 150% the size of lua5's. < 1283716317 0 :Jora!Jora@unaffiliated/jora JOIN :#esoteric < 1283716325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, libraries? < 1283716370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hammed in < 1283716370 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The included database might be a large chunk of it, yes, < 1283716378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: even the 64 version? < 1283716380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's written in assembly < 1283716384 0 :Jora!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1283716384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the database < 1283716387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ web server < 1283716414 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No 64-bit arch here to try that on, unfortunately < 1283716434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean wouldn't Lua have lots of stuff in libraries outside the executable. < 1283716467 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not normally, but you're right that Ubuntu packagers might have decided to do that < 1283716496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently they did not < 1283716731 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283717103 0 :Killerkid!~l1am9111@host86-176-107-174.range86-176.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283717448 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21759F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283717553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squared < 1283717952 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 sq . < 1283718280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:17:07 in my dream, alise and cpressey sent me a postcard that was an invite to come explore the "natural hoovers" of another universe (natural hoover being a technical term for an inverse volcano) < 1283718282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it worked!! < 1283718290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:12:50 alise: i got 130 < 1283718291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :130 what < 1283718297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the jumping game < 1283718319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you basically forced me to try it < 1283718345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :falling tower < 1283718347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1283718348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1283718354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way too slippery < 1283718358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what level are you on now? < 1283718371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :58, but i'm taking a break, possibly quitting completely < 1283718379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to get some reading done < 1283718455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got badly stuck at a few levels, i dunno why but it was scary shit :( < 1283718585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm on 66 dude < 1283718588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're inferior. < 1283718590 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1283718635 0 :choochter!~choochter@host213-1-51-218.btremoteinternet-dsl.bt.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283718658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283718665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm not joking. loser < 1283718669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe later.................. < 1283718703 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21759F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283718720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: when did you get up to 58? < 1283718765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1283718773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when did you complete 57 < 1283718777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. how long have you been not-playing < 1283718786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not for long i think < 1283718794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i stopped at 22:15 < 1283718801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i've been playing for ages < 1283718807 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1283718823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it there now? < 1283718832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:33 < 1283718890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1283718899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a monster < 1283718913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i am ? :D < 1283718973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i've been playing for days and days and i'm only up to 66 < 1283718986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i've been playing for about an hour < 1283718993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1283718997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: two hours and thirty-five minutues < 1283718999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*minutes < 1283719000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1283719002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked. < 1283719003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| < 1283719005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or thereabouts) < 1283719007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1283719011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a friend is on 64, he's been playing for as long as me < 1283719026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1283719030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another is on 57, roughly the same amount of time (although less time spent playing) < 1283719031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've played it before < 1283719035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have i dude < 1283719042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he's on 58 now < 1283719044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i should catch all of you < 1283719045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283719084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: become the first person to actually complete the damn thing < 1283719108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway even i think it's JUST TOO EASY (I'm also insane) so I'm going to make a clone except the levels are ridiculously hard < 1283719113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm perverse. < 1283719359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :58 is fun, first a few minutes of triviality, then one short hard part < 1283719424 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283719452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1283719457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that irritated me :P < 1283719471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 is very hard < 1283719713 0 :iGO!~xk001@62.169.110.96.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1283719861 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283719999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And annoyed with all ROM management tools out there, I decided to replace them. With a small Tcl script. < 1283720011 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1283720024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tcl used because: I'm too lazy to rewrite a CSV parser, and I know how the one in Tcl works) < 1283720144 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21759F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283720158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You're doing this thing again? After the last time you said it's no fun at all? < 1283720428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes < 1283720640 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283720727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what level now :D < 1283720782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm stuck at 60 :( < 1283720791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my hands are getting old < 1283720807 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1283720838 0 :teuchter!~choochter@host213-1-51-218.btremoteinternet-dsl.bt.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283720854 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283720978 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1283720994 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283721016 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1283721034 0 :comex_!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283721038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how old are they? < 1283721085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they are roughly as old as me < 1283721090 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1283721103 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta design an 8bit microprocessor < 1283721119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all feel like that sometimes < 1283721121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes < 1283721122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm. Okay. At least they didn't sell you some old ones that passed the best before date while in storage then < 1283721124 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, 8 bit data bus) < 1283721124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all feel like that < 1283721135 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone has some design tips? < 1283721156 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1283721175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, yes "while one instruction is enough, it will probably be quite painful to code for" < 1283721199 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21759F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283721204 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: eh, doesn't sound like something that would make a fast design < 1283721205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is an esotericness-usability tradeoff there < 1283721224 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going for usability < 1283721235 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotericness is going to be in the gfx and sfx hardware < 1283721239 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu has to be nice < 1283721259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, does it? < 1283721274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, also sfx? < 1283721277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :special effects? < 1283721278 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :designing a retro game system < 1283721280 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound < 1283721282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283721302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly this became way more boring to me < 1283721313 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean boring? < 1283721349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, at the word "game system" the idea became boring to me. I was thinking general purpose computer < 1283721359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was considering esoteric network interfaces < 1283721377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest a tin-can modem < 1283721388 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my OISC is getting even better < 1283721409 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like for coding crazy buzzy 2600 styled games < 1283721410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1283721410 0 :choochter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1283721410 0 :Killerkid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1283721410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1283721411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1283721411 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1283721411 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1283721412 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1283721417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a speaker, and a mic at each end. Then two tin cans and a string in between. For half-duplex communication < 1283721443 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably use something like the c64 tape system :D < 1283721450 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pulses of different length < 1283721451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283721459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, for the modem!? < 1283721474 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1283721483 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I don't know anything about modem design < 1283721494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, see my suggestion < 1283721504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run SLIP or something over it < 1283721506 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be cool to have the sound hardware dual purpose as a modem < 1283721511 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slip? < 1283721521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before ppp < 1283721529 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppp? < 1283721531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLIP < 1283721538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, ... have you never used a modem? < 1283721557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-Point_Protocol < 1283721583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, I can only assume you never used a dial-up < 1283721584 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm most likely not going to touch any network protocol < 1283721601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, why? that is way more fun than generic sound < 1283721609 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used dial-up but I forgot most of that < 1283721622 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound is cool man < 1283721648 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to design a synthesis chip that's going to sound cool and unique < 1283721658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, never used ADSL modem using PPPoE or PPPoA? Or tethering computer over 3G? < 1283721673 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nops, cable internet < 1283721674 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-201-34.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283721680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283721696 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too interested in networks honestly :D < 1283721715 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, why are you connected to one then? ;P < 1283721718 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a sound and gfx guy < 1283721718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm stuck at 60 :( < 1283721719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe my hands are getting old < 1283721730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you remember to hit the ceiling before the long descent? < 1283721739 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more like the network works kthnxbye :D < 1283721743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you remember to hold left instead of ascending further when you pass the last white line? < 1283721754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, I can't think of anything more painful to program than non-text based interfaces < 1283721765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, malbolge probably < 1283721770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my OISC is getting even better ;; what is it like? < 1283721776 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas if I can design a neat sound chip < 1283721778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that, doing something like SDL or GTK+ or whatever: painful < 1283721790 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can make a composition tool and make neat chipmusic for it :D < 1283721805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SDL, painful? < 1283721813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may want to consider that you're just a bad programmer < 1283721830 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to be more like DOS VGA programming than sdl really :D < 1283721835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well yes, but I don't blame that on SDL. I just hate graphics programming in general < 1283721839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283721840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I can do it < 1283721842 0 :Killerkid!~l1am9111@host86-176-107-174.range86-176.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283721844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hate it < 1283721856 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put data at memory address N to get color Y at pixel Z < 1283721857 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1283721873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, going to implement this in hardware? < 1283721883 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulator first < 1283721889 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1283721890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, FPGA later? < 1283721892 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1283721893 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: gmote < 1283721900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, verilog or VHDL? < 1283721906 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure yet < 1283721924 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably vhdl < 1283721975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1283721985 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd really go for an emulator mostly since that's what most people will end up seeing and using < 1283721988 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283721995 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want a design that can actually work irl < 1283721996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, or do it in silicon with contemporary technology ;) < 1283722003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have some billions to spare that is < 1283722009 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that doesn't involve ridiculous parts < 1283722017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: did you remember to hit the ceiling before the long descent?" <<< the fastest way is to just drop down, but yeah it's possible i usually do that part wrong, let's see < 1283722039 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm mostly designingg from DRAM specs < 1283722054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, anyway this sound chip. I presume it won't be able to play back acoustic music < 1283722055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1283722061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without sounding horrible < 1283722069 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit classic dram designs, or 64-bit EDO designs are totally different < 1283722071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1283722079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe hitting ceiling is faster in this case too < 1283722093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hitting ceiling is faster < 1283722099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get this by raping the spacebar a lot before dropping < 1283722102 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: I'm not quite sure yet, I could make it sample based like the amiga and snes but that's a bit too easy < 1283722104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pretty much guarantees a ceiling hit < 1283722113 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not very original < 1283722125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Vorpal hates you because it cannot play THE ONLY FORM OF MUSIC < 1283722131 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some pretty good tools for that too < 1283722132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just noise! < 1283722132 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wrong < 1283722134 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only form? < 1283722139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: classical ofc < 1283722145 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] < 1283722147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like non-classical too < 1283722152 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how you define classical :D < 1283722179 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah on really limited systems like NES, poppy 80s music tends to work a bit better < 1283722184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classical music is all Greek to me. < 1283722187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[rimshot] < 1283722218 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FM synthesis chips can do ok classical music < 1283722229 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sample based systems < 1283722286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, well, I define classical to the the classical period. Which is hard to define in exact years. The borders to the baroque and the romantic periods are definitely fuzzy < 1283722319 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283722336 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for video game music it tends to be more like romantic music < 1283722338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however wikipedia offers the suggestion "The dates of the Classical Period in Western music are generally accepted as being between 1750 to 1820." < 1283722348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is reasonably accurate < 1283722359 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because violins are hard on synthesizers < 1283722381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, violins is my favourite instrument. On second place is piano. < 1283722389 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1283722398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283722405 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Vorpal> madbrain2, I can't think of anything more painful to program than non-text based interfaces < 1283722411 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1283722411 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You're weird < 1283722425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Thanks. Aren't we all in here anyway. < 1283722436 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on snes, actraiser 2 is the most "serious" orchestral soundtrack < 1283722442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, I place organ, especially church organ, on last place. I strongly dislike that sound. < 1283722453 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then it's sorta jumpy and romantic < 1283722476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distorted electric guitar is on the place above organ < 1283722490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, I love the Zelda OOT music < 1283722495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was *very* good < 1283722500 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played that one < 1283722507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, n64 < 1283722524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey, Thanks. Aren't we all in here anyway. < 1283722527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually in an interesting way. < 1283722539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and who are you to define interesting? < 1283722561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are you to define weird as something complementary? < 1283722562 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most other orchestral soundtracks are classical/pop mixes < 1283722565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complimentary? < 1283722593 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< alise> you can get this by raping the spacebar a lot before dropping < 1283722600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I didn't say that. I just said thanks. Implying I liked it < 1283722602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY TERMINOLOGY IS ACCEPTABLE < 1283722611 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the final fantasy soundtracks < 1283722616 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds redundant, but technically it probably isn't. < 1283722625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does? < 1283722631 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah snes sound ram is like 64k < 1283722652 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and violins sound bad when you pitch them up or down < 1283722689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, I prefer sampled to synthed when it comes to sound generation. < 1283722702 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to, say, flutes, which come out relatively good < 1283722714 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: yeah, that's normal I think < 1283722718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, and violins have a pretty restricted range anyway. You want viola, cello and so on for other ranges < 1283722742 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what I mean is that it's hard to pass off a G3 sample at G4 for instance < 1283722747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283722767 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you could get away with only 1 or a few flute samples < 1283722801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, well, to some extent. Not for a trained ear though. < 1283722807 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you loop the flute sample it's less of a problem < 1283722832 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "raping the spacebar a lot" < 1283722836 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: true, but what I mean is that it's less of a problem than other instruments < 1283722837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ah. < 1283722842 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like brass < 1283722845 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or strings < 1283722884 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can compose music with a 2k flute sample and it won't sound ear raping and terrible < 1283722891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, there is a reason I use huge soundfonts when playing MIDI. 70 MB or more isn't uncommon for good quality soundfonts < 1283722907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for piano alone that is :P < 1283722924 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm mostly talking about really small settings with few channels :D < 1283722954 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like orchestral soundtracks squeezed into 256k with 8 channels :D < 1283722961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah! who needs more sounds than sin can produce! < 1283722975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, I much prefer actually acoustically recorded music to even generated-with-samples though < 1283722991 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin can produce everything but you'd need hundreads of channels < 1283723010 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: and with what orchestra am I going to record soundtracks eh? :D < 1283723025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, for the violin family of instruments you can usually hear a difference. Especially if they start plucking the strings. < 1283723052 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah real orchestras sound better than fake ones. duh. < 1283723059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are sooo many ways to play a violin. Try rendering anything by Paganini in midi. I doubt the result will be even passable < 1283723076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, a piano is way easier. Much fewer variables that can change < 1283723101 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just the fact that it is "solo violin" is already a really bad start < 1283723117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key, attack, time held down, release, which pedals are down. < 1283723120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about it I think < 1283723128 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why soundtracks concentrate on the other instruments, that's the one that samples the worst < 1283723133 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: I can't wait to play this violin game on your esoputer. Wait, I'm lost. < 1283723140 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piano works fine if you just sample every note < 1283723145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, violin is the best instrument there is though < 1283723146 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie you got lots of space < 1283723155 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then piano can sound pretty good yes < 1283723190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, yes I have an electrical piano. It sounds good. Assuming I use my studio headphones rather than the built in speakers < 1283723192 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: well, what's a good system when the soundtrack has to fit into like 250k max eh? :D < 1283723198 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQUARE WAVES WITH PULSE WIDTH SWEEP OR BUST < 1283723203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, adding more memory :P < 1283723219 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the design is going to turn into a playstation < 1283723225 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when I said 8 bits? :D < 1283723244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, hm. Playstation is better though. Can use it for cracking MD5 too < 1283723291 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, I'm going for 8 bits here, not 32~64 bit systems, which are complicated to design < 1283723313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, why not 16 bits? < 1283723322 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 16bits < 1283723331 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: OK, to like, answer your original question? I like the 6502. Design something like that. < 1283723349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, I was coding for a 16-bit platform today. A lot nicer than 8 bits. With 8 bits for the address bus you need some sort of bank switching design < 1283723352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will be horrible < 1283723371 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wh... 8-bits usually have a 16-bit address bus. < 1283723374 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, by 8bits I mean 8 bit data bus < 1283723386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm < 1283723396 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like the z80 that has 8bit data bus with 16bit address registers < 1283723401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, okay. RISC I presume? < 1283723411 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any real HW with an 8-bit address bus. Maybe "back in the day" when computers had names like SCA/MP < 1283723430 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And 6-bit bytes! :/ ) < 1283723431 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the registers could be 32bits for all I care, but there's not too much point if you have to squeeze it through an 8 bit bus < 1283723432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, or EINAC! < 1283723448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue what it had < 1283723452 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: risc or cisc < 1283723458 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, risc definitely < 1283723467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less of a pain in hardware < 1283723472 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cisc might be faster < 1283723487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283723509 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :risc makes sense in the 32bit generation stuff < 1283723510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, risc and number the instructions in a way as to minimise gate count in instruction decoding and so on < 1283723538 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if I had a 32bit bus I'd definitely try RISC < 1283723541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, 16-bit RISC is often quite nice to use < 1283723575 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: What ISAs are you familiar with? < 1283723580 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with risc is that instruction is usually quite large < 1283723591 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too much of an asm coder < 1283723608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, Harward or von Neumann? < 1283723612 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mostly x86, looked a bit at ARM, z80... < 1283723623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harvard* < 1283723650 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 is a great piece of hardware (easy to build a computer around) but I really don't like the instruction set. < 1283723654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, hm. The 16-bit RISC I used recently had like 32 instructions < 1283723655 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harvard is nice but you'd need like two mem/data busses < 1283723657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1283723661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 I think < 1283723673 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no FPU or MMU of course < 1283723683 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: the instructions are 16bits each? < 1283723705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, with arguments included yes iirc < 1283723725 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that there's no data cache < 1283723735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, nor on that thing. It's SoC. < 1283723754 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 16 bit instruction = have to wait for 16 bits of data from DRA < 1283723756 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRAM < 1283723769 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it has a cache, but I don't think so < 1283723778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, not really an issue for my application though < 1283723794 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means register instructions will take 1 cycle, memory instructions 2 cycles < 1283723794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Z80 feels a bit arbitrary to me. But I can't help liking the register pairing to form BC, DE, HL out of B, C, D, E, H, L. < 1283723795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was controlling a robot < 1283723796 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally < 1283723808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck it was waiting on sensors most time < 1283723821 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at 16 bits it will be similar in performance to a 286/386 or a 68k < 1283723821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the* < 1283723838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, why not back it by fast memory? Like SRAM < 1283723873 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRAM is kindof like... you get not much memory < 1283723889 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, 2^16 gives 65536 bytes, which is 64 kiB unless I miscalculated. < 1283723903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even my pentium3 had more level 2 cache < 1283723909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would be SRAM < 1283723910 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not very "realistic" < 1283723914 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The pairing is a nice touch, I grant. < 1283723923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, what isn't? < 1283723934 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :few systems are designed with SRAM < 1283723959 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for the GBA they had to relent and added 256k of DRAM (first designs only had 32k SRAM) < 1283723962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, I'm saying it can't be too expensive! Even a pentium3 had more level 2 cache! < 1283724005 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator < 1283724008 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell am I reading < 1283724011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pentium3 has 256k level 2 cache < 1283724031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sin can produce everything but you'd need hundreads of channels ;; the thousand-channel sin machine < 1283724036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no flaw in this plan < 1283724059 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's like the OISC of sound synthesizers! < 1283724076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nintendo DS, which admittedly isn't very retro at all, has 4 megs of slow-slow DRAM shared by the ARM7/ARM9 cores, and then about 64k of faster memory that can be mapped in various ways. < 1283724079 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there's a real 64 channel design that came out of atari :D < 1283724081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sounds wonderful indeed. < 1283724097 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1283724123 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: hello. < 1283724125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, about as much RAM as my low end keypad nokia phone iirc < 1283724127 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah there's a couple of real synthesizers that have used sinewave based synthesis < 1283724137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the DS's sound chip can hardware-mix 32 sampled-audio channels at independent sampling rates. Though you'd run out of memory bandwidth if you wanted to keep all channels on with high sampling rates. < 1283724146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the DRAM bit < 1283724147 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 16 channels < 1283724147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1283724191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, you can't do saw-tooth with sine though afaik? < 1283724203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why anyone would want saw-tooth to tell the truth < 1283724204 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I think this "sin"thesizer would be easier to do in software than in hardware... < 1283724206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds horrible < 1283724206 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpas: you can add sines together < 1283724213 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make a sawtooth < 1283724220 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more sines you add the closer it gets < 1283724228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, hm. Perfectly saw tooth? < 1283724229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine < saw < square < 1283724234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :square <3 < 1283724249 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: a lot of common instruments are sortof dull-saw-wave-shaped < 1283724255 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: square with pulse width sweep <3 <3 <3 < 1283724266 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: you'd have problems with gibbs phenomenon but yeah < 1283724273 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least audibly perfect < 1283724277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, gibbs phenomenon ? < 1283724283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that is, but <3 <3 <3 just to be on the safe side < 1283724291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1283724300 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: eeeEEEEOOOoooowww < 1283724300 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hehe c64 power? :D < 1283724305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283724313 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more of an FM nut though :D < 1283724316 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: none other! < 1283724327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, phase modulated music. Has anyone made that? < 1283724358 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: adlib and genesis use phase modulation synthesis < 1283724374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, how does it sound? < 1283724413 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50sHqDIRdSw&feature=related < 1283724417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, also hm, presumably you could do PWM too < 1283724422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in Pulse Width < 1283724435 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah pulse width is a classic but dunno < 1283724454 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, sine probably sounds best though < 1283724462 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283724470 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has rather wide spectrum so it's kinda hard to mix < 1283724479 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine wave has the opposite problem :D < 1283724485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, ? < 1283724501 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pwm square wave has a really wide spectrum < 1283724506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283724520 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, and sine? < 1283724535 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine has the most narrow spectrum since it's only 1 frequency :D < 1283724559 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283724564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50sHqDIRdSw&feature=related <-- horrible sound :P < 1283724582 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's kinda canny < 1283724593 0 :alise_!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283724602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, possible it might sound better on a crappier playback device than a SB Live 5.1 < 1283724624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, and with some cheaper headphones that professional studio monitoring ones < 1283724624 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: pwm square wave plus sine < 1283724626 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1283724650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, since my setup doesn't hide any imperfections in the sound < 1283724713 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: no it's really that the synth is pretty limited < 1283724717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, I noticed that with cheaper equipment you can get away with more imperfections. Not just for sound, but in general. < 1283724730 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you haave to do nasty compromises < 1283724734 0 :ineiros_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283724736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283724744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squared sine. See, you've got a sine, and you've sort-of metaphysically got a square too. < 1283724759 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG, I see why DICE C has so much trouble with RUBE. RUBE heavily uses #defines that expand into similar expressions, and DICE doesn't do any common subexpression elimination. < 1283724786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about generalised polygon? < 1283724807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1283724828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, sounds crappy < 1283724829 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: this is about the best "mixed" genesis game : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HNLcl1dl0&feature=related < 1283724861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, pretty limited still < 1283724906 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, composing for snes is easier yes :D < 1283724915 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, and what did it use? < 1283724926 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what you said for it < 1283724952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're willing to cheat horribly on the SNES, you can just have your cartridge send a signal down the L and R audio pins. < 1283724966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's *analog* L and R audio.) < 1283724967 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: really? < 1283724970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Yes. < 1283724982 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1283724982 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool though the snes chip is already not bad at all :D < 1283725004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you're really crazy, you can just *barely* get the SNES to output 32 kHz PCM. < 1283725019 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly you have to fit everything into 64k of sound ram but that's adpcm so it's like twice compressed compared to 8bit pcm < 1283725022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without any addon chips. < 1283725026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can it do anything else then? < 1283725031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from outputting sound < 1283725034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1283725039 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32khz pcm is easy on snes < 1283725041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1283725058 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is really that you're going to run out of sound ram really fast at 32khz :D < 1283725059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You see, the sound output is done on a completely seperate processor. < 1283725063 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in 2 seconds < 1283725064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but really, it had pins for analog audio to the cartridge? < 1283725073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: 2 minutes on a 32 megabit cartridge. < 1283725076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1283725092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, huh, how many games made use of that? < 1283725100 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: the japanese NES and MSX had that too and afaik they're the only systems where sound expansion chips were used < 1283725104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Super Gameboy. < 1283725115 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh of course < 1283725118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Japan, there was also the BSX extension. < 1283725123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSX? < 1283725135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a hookup to a satellite modem. < 1283725151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283725154 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's if the game had no other data :D < 1283725161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Yes, yes it is. < 1283725169 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you could actually fit 4 minutes < 1283725199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Also, though not done on any actual physical carts, you *can* actually get up to 4 GB on there. < 1283725203 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be hard because streaming audio to the sound chip is kinda hard < 1283725204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, considering how much you could do in a cartridge I can't see why you would be limited to uncompressed PCM < 1283725230 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: snes has ADPCM compression in hardware < 1283725235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nice < 1283725241 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you can't play NOT compressed pcm :D < 1283725246 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1283725253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, how efficient is that compression? < 1283725268 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get 8bit quality audio for the price of 4.5bits < 1283725291 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this BRR? < 1283725301 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it means your 64k of sound ram are more like ~120k < 1283725307 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes BRR < 1283725311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, ah I was thinking of come reasonably high quality lossless compression, like wavpack, being unpacked by a co-processor on the cartridge < 1283725322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's perfectly feasible. < 1283725342 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: you'd have to fit it in the superfx2 chip I guess < 1283725342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something similar was *actually done* for sprites on a couple of games. < 1283725353 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err s/reasonably high quality lossless/reasonably high compression ratio lossless/ < 1283725359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Not necessarily. < 1283725360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit unclear there < 1283725368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: You can literally stick just about anything on there. < 1283725370 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that you'd have to compress the audio to ADPCM after decompressing it < 1283725387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could attach a modern x86 PC to the SNES bus. < 1283725392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directly. < 1283725394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, just put a DSP in there that plays to the analogue audio pins? < 1283725405 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: you could do that < 1283725411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That* would be easy. < 1283725420 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd also run out of data on the cartridges < 1283725429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, depends on how many amps you could pull from the power pins < 1283725443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you would presumably blow some fuse at some point < 1283725453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: One could do something similar to the BSX. < 1283725455 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lossless compression schemes get you 50% compression on like stereo 16 bit < 1283725464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, have external power. < 1283725467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1283725467 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283725472 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well that's cheating < 1283725478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Doing it modern-day would let you stick a freaking flash card to it. < 1283725482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, 16-bit? bah < 1283725488 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still ~88k of data per SECOND < 1283725507 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than the sound data of some games < 1283725508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, just stick some NAND flash into there < 1283725537 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no man, get the snes with a cd and play ramstein over your game < 1283725544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1283725546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: The SNES-CD? < 1283725551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, SNES CD? < 1283725557 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never did snes cd < 1283725557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that thing? < 1283725561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283725570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Yes they did. They just didn't finish because contract fell through. < 1283725576 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tg16-cd games often play redbook audio for music < 1283725589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've probably seen the public result of that, though. < 1283725592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Playstation? < 1283725595 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1283725622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how much of the SNES could you bypass. I mean. Doing the entire game on the cartridge. Would that be possible? < 1283725627 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though many psx games play some sort of compressed format < 1283725629 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just putting the main CPU in an idle loop < 1283725631 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1283725640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly after poking some hardware registers or such < 1283725641 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from experience most playstation games actually use the sound chip instead of playing from the CD < 1283725648 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most i've seen, anyway < 1283725655 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greasemonkey: true < 1283725656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, you indeed could. < 1283725662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you familiar with the Super Gameboy? < 1283725674 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the die hard trilogy is an example of one which uses tracks on the CD < 1283725675 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, but I don't know if the main CPU is doing anything at all there or not < 1283725681 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe tekken 2 also does it < 1283725686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather few PC games bother with CD audio, but some do use it. < 1283725690 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it dragon ball z < 1283725698 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was one which was a copy of a game, anyway < 1283725698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, like shifting data to the display or whatever < 1283725698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's displaying a framebuffer. < 1283725707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah, could you skip that too? < 1283725715 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd audio sorta became obsolete when games started streaming audio by themselves < 1283725722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, rather, it's displaying a few different sprites which *happen* to be the Super Gameboy's framebuffer. < 1283725722 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially mp3 or ogg audio < 1283725727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also the SNES pin design must have needed some serious planning ahead! < 1283725736 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe you could skip the entire NES if you ran from cartridge < 1283725748 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least ALMOST < 1283725754 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's some paletting issues there < 1283725757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, NES or SNES? < 1283725760 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NES < 1283725764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1283725767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about SNES then? < 1283725769 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't on the sega master system < 1283725773 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about SNES < 1283725780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Super Gameboy is literally a Gameboy which uses the SNES for video and audio out and controller in. < 1283725790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I know that < 1283725801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but as you said, it still does the framebuffer bit < 1283725816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I want to directly drive everything from the cartridge < 1283725848 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put a ntsc output on the cartridge < 1283725854 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snes was 32mbit? < 1283725854 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1283725855 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a power supply < 1283725859 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and remove the snes < 1283725862 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why bit :P < 1283725865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, that would be cheating < 1283725877 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude you're already way cheating < 1283725879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, external power supply I accept < 1283725887 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real thing they did with snes is use the snes sound chip < 1283725890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, yes but cheating with specifc rules < 1283725897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Actually, that's just the largest official game release. < 1283725910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: The ROM limit is actually 2^32-1 bytes. < 1283725912 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the sound chip was already better than what you'd probably come up with for game sound chips < 1283725927 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some snes games are 4 megs yes < 1283725938 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's even a couple with 6 megs < 1283725953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand you could then start paging. < 1283725986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You couldn't *quite* do that. < 1283725991 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snes address range is 24 bits no? < 1283726000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Oh, right, it is. Never mind. < 1283726009 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was kinda thinking that < 1283726012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: However, you could completely shut off the main CPU and use the on-cartridge CPU. < 1283726022 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still 16 megs, more than any snes game < 1283726028 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed most n64 games :D < 1283726042 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, and you could also make a space invaders thing which could detect super gameboy and turn the damn thing back on < 1283726044 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think snes DOOM does that < 1283726051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm < 1283726055 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect dark is 32MB (n64) < 1283726063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because the actual cartridge expansion chip hooks into the *main bus*. < 1283726066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really. < 1283726071 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said most n64 games, not all :D < 1283726075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, nice! < 1283726075 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe it uses some form of ADPCM for its samples < 1283726080 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario64 is 8bit < 1283726082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but if the main cpu is running it takes over or? < 1283726085 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1283726087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, what? < 1283726091 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario64 is 8megs rather < 1283726095 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1283726095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283726097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If the main CPU is running then they run in tandem. < 1283726124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With communication between them going over a specific point in memory. < 1283726128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, but it uses a lot of shading instead of textures, and where it uses textures they are simple. I'm not surprised < 1283726132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how all of the actual expansion chips on the SNES functioned. < 1283726139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, zelda oot is 32 megabyte iirc? < 1283726157 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24megs or something... I don't remember < 1283726176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah maybe it was majora's mask that was 32 megabyte < 1283726189 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm < 1283726194 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah psx games are huge compared to that < 1283726214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, was psx same era or? < 1283726219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1283726219 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1283726225 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283726231 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually psx came out before n64 < 1283726254 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I remember of psx and n64, psx had better hardware but worse games < 1283726264 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psx had more data < 1283726270 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of CD < 1283726274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1283726283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gameplay wise I meant < 1283726283 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but n64 had texture interpolation < 1283726296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DS game card connection is a boring bus with 8 bidirectional data bits, and no direct addressing (you have to send it commands); and I guess from the DSi onwards they dropped the GBA cart slot, which did have 24 address bits. No more memory add-ons, or other sort of funky tricks. (Though DSi upped the built-in RAM to 16 megs, so.) < 1283726299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, texture interpolation... now what did that one do < 1283726300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually, the PSX had quite a few good games and a lot of shovelware. < 1283726308 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a real selling point with nintendo fans < 1283726310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm okay < 1283726316 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario 64, now with texture interpolation! < 1283726317 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1283726319 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1283726327 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mario < 1283726331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, I have to say I much prefer zelda over mario < 1283726335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the N64 had quite a few good games and not much shovelware. < 1283726338 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: make the textures blurry instead of blocky < 1283726344 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario is in this game, this is a mario game < 1283726347 0 :teuchter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1283726348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, ah < 1283726360 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zelda 64 was pretty cool < 1283726361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amount of good games, about the same (though the N64 got royally screwed on JRPGs). Just better signal/noise ratio. < 1283726367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, which one? < 1283726374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, there were two < 1283726375 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the record for largest n64 ROM is 64MB, can't remember which it is < 1283726382 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one, i never actually played most of these games < 1283726388 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i did see a number of them < 1283726393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, so oot then? < 1283726393 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1283726397 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so < 1283726399 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...our interwebs just lagged < 1283726405 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario64 is like a classic, classic piece of game design < 1283726407 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the targeting system < 1283726412 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the combat system < 1283726418 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, iirc the leaked debug from for zelda oot master quest was 64 MB < 1283726421 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe it didn't translate well to the c ontroller, i am unsure haha < 1283726423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N64 had some really stupid hardware limitations. < 1283726432 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n64? < 1283726450 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't it have some problems with... I think it was gfx cache or something like that < 1283726460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as having a single chunk of RAM that was high-latency. < 1283726463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, couldn't you put a co-processor on the cartridge for n6? < 1283726463 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as you guys are saying psx, i'm wondering if any of you knows where that abbreviation came from? < 1283726465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n64* < 1283726467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1283726474 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall opening files in a hex editor and psx was the header < 1283726475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm, why not? < 1283726477 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1283726483 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems a strange reason for it to have become the common acronym < 1283726492 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though, in this channel, the opposite might be true ;) < 1283726495 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because PS was kinda short < 1283726496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nothing-but-ROM. < 1283726504 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno where the X came from < 1283726504 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but almost since the playstation was out i remember people calling it the psx < 1283726510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how did it save games then? < 1283726524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. You could have some writable RAM on there. < 1283726526 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like i said, i am about 90% sure PSX was the file header for executables on the system < 1283726529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. Nothing but memory. < 1283726538 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like MZ (MZP) in an exe file < 1283726539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so use that as a frame buffer! < 1283726546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283726553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that a chip on the cartridge draws to < 1283726559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan*someone actually did that < 1283726564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really? < 1283726569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Wide-Boy 64". < 1283726580 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i interpreted that as "i am sure 90% of PSX was the file header" < 1283726604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a hand-built but actually sold Gameboy Color for the N64. < 1283726606 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the jaguar was a single-piece-of-ram system too < 1283726620 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: s/of/that/, but i guess they mean about the same thing < 1283726638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, sorry. Not hand-built. < 1283726641 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant as to how i initially interpreted < 1283726647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an official dev tool for the GBC. < 1283726651 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "90% of the game image was the file header" < 1283726670 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, haha < 1283726678 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, PSX games were super compact < 1283726684 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs 700mb? < 1283726694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm... Good thing caching didn't mess up or such < 1283726712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1283726712 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: well, you don't want to use 700mb cause it's going to take forever to load :D < 1283726715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cache? What cache? < 1283726724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well n64 could have that < 1283726727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1283726739 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah from psx on they all have cache I think < 1283726740 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway, what was Wide-Boy 64? < 1283726741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had high latency RAM and *no cache*. < 1283726747 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could the CDs even READ 700MB? < 1283726749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GBC for the N64. < 1283726758 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1283726760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, nintendo product? < 1283726762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1283726766 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could the CDs even CONTAIN 700MB? < 1283726775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, okay h,m < 1283726777 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm* < 1283726778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Only available to developers, though. < 1283726781 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally they're 650m < 1283726790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, did the gamecube use cartridges to or? < 1283726792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot < 1283726799 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think dreamcast had haxxor cds that went up to like 700mb < 1283726801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ... what was the point of that then? < 1283726801 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amusing thing about PSX and N64 is that they both contain the same family of processor < 1283726813 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, so do the xbox 360 and the wii < 1283726824 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ps3's processor is kinda related < 1283726836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... Game Boy Color. < 1283726838 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ps3 is a power too no? < 1283726847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, um I didn't ask what it was < 1283726848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Game Cube, Game Boy Color. < 1283726856 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean the PSX and N64 have MIPS and those other 3 are PPCish) < 1283726861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What are you talking about the gamecube for, then? < 1283726864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I asked *why only for developers* and I asked a question about gamecube < 1283726871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1283726873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well I know Wii use cds < 1283726876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno why it was only for developers. < 1283726884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, gamecube is in between n64 and wii < 1283726890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't remember what it used < 1283726892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Gamecube used a disc that was DVD-like. < 1283726909 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think game cubes used something like mini DVDs < 1283726913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so no funky cartridge processor then < 1283726913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1283726959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. The Wii doesn't use DVDs. < 1283726975 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1283726982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the same disc format as the Gamecube, but physically larger. < 1283726987 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1283726991 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it fun < 1283726991 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, streaming audio doesn't really make sense unless you have tons of data < 1283727024 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even now some devs use synthesized audio on iphones because of stuff like 10mb data limits < 1283727030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Nintendo Optical Disc" is physically a DVD, except recorded assuming constant angular velocity. < 1283727058 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think the xbox or xbox360 had a reverse DVD, too :D < 1283727064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meaning the physical size of a bit varies depending on the distance from the center) < 1283727071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2: Nope, completely standard DVD drives. < 1283727077 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a DVD but the tracks go the opposite way < 1283727081 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? < 1283727082 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyways < 1283727085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Xbox to the point of *literally* being purchased off the shelf. < 1283727100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They purchased normal IDE DVD drives and stuck them on there. < 1283727134 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The "Nintendo Optical Disc" is physically a DVD, except recorded assuming constant angular velocity. < 1283727136 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (meaning the physical size of a bit varies depending on the distance from the center) < 1283727141 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow xD < 1283727193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so close to a DVD that the WiiDrive is capable of DVD-reading with very slight modchippery, though. < 1283727202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mod chips involved. < 1283727205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires some software. < 1283727236 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa! Got rube.c to compile in DICE by grinding its innards with a corkscrew. I think I introduced some bugs, but it does run. Pretty! < 1283727266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we're still talking about vijiogame musics? < 1283727288 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: anyways, the best synth chip used on video game systems is probably the roland mt-32 < 1283727312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. The NOD also has a barcode burned onto it that the drive checks to try and avoid copied discs. < 1283727327 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example of mt-32 audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y-ermSwasw < 1283727342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *groan* < 1283727355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They chose this odd-ass format to avoid licensing fees. < 1283727494 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283727596 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21759F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283727627 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aqwsdcfvgbqAWSDRFTGYHUJWASEDFGHJK';#WERTYUIOP[]ERDTFYGUHIOPQAWSEDRTFYGUHJAsdf`123456RETDFYGUHIJOKLPERDCFVGB N RF [P;OLI < 1283727719 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I so want that to be an Ursala quine. < 1283727879 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: but yeah the limitations I'm using are: < 1283727890 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- NTSC output < 1283727894 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: OK, so fwiw: for my strictly typed rewriting language, the types would apply to the rules. (car (cons H T:list)) -> H, for example. < 1283727911 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- dram has 6.25mhz access cycle < 1283727924 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means you can do 400 DRAM reads per scanline < 1283727945 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to share them between cpu and gfx < 1283727951 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sound if sound reads from RAM < 1283728549 0 :madbrain2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283728619 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1283728641 0 :madbrain2!~madbrain@modemcable207.154-59-74.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1283729058 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1283729598 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the last time you wrote something beautiful in C? < 1283729986 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283729998 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1283730135 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my OISC is getting even better < 1283730650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : vorpal: anyways, the best synth chip used on video game systems is probably the roland mt-32 <--- why is that? < 1283730655 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - NTSC output <-- UGH why? < 1283730659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, what is wrong with PAL < 1283730669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or VGA < 1283730717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain2, also how often does the DRAM need to be refreshed? < 1283730918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : When was the last time you wrote something beautiful in C? <-- hm... ages < 1283731008 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pity. < 1283731020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with NTSC w.r.t. PAL then? A bit smaller amount of raster lines, but a bit higher framerate; it's not like the differences are huge. < 1283731054 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just managed to compile Lua 5.1.4 on AmigaOS 1.3! Problem is, I can't *link* it, because there are so many *.o files the shell complains "Command too long!"