00:02:16 I guess I'm 15 now, huh. 00:03:29 alise, oh? 00:03:37 alise, much nostalgia yet? 00:03:46 or I guess that will take a few more years 00:05:00 Why, when I was your age.... 00:05:09 XD 00:05:26 Vorpal: I've had nostalgia since I was, what, 10. 00:05:28 Phantom_Hoover_, wait, you are younger than me 00:05:33 Mostly for things I /wasn't alive for/. 00:05:37 Vorpal, AGEIST 00:05:40 Vorpal: Yes, but when Phantom_Hoover_'s older than you, he'll KICK YOUR ASS 00:05:41 XD 00:05:58 * Phantom_Hoover_ fires Vorpal off at 0.9c. 00:06:08 alise, hm... relativity right? 00:06:13 No. 00:06:17 See, when Phantom_Hoover_ grows up, he'll be older than you. 00:06:20 Then he'll kick your ass. 00:06:38 Well, I'll need to catch him first. 00:06:44 alise, you forgot I age too, so this only works by relativity 00:06:52 Vorpal, hence the 0.9c. 00:07:07 Phantom_Hoover_, yes but I was writing my line while you said that 00:07:30 didn't see it until after 00:07:47 -!- sebbu has joined. 00:07:51 alise, you forgot I age too, so this only works by relativity 00:07:53 * Phantom_Hoover_ wonders about ways to get Vorpal to 0.9c. 00:08:00 I say, I say, that's a joke, son. 00:08:24 alise, yes, his sense of humour goes through nonexistent and approaches existence from the other side. 00:08:27 alise, yes but #esoteric is all about taking jokes seriously, iirc ais said so 00:08:32 and he is an AUTHORITY 00:08:35 on many things 00:08:45 that wasn't meant as a defence of you, dude. 00:08:50 Phantom_Hoover_: But only approaches. 00:08:54 I could but him in a giant cannon, I suppose. 00:09:10 But he might have no ass to kick when I slowed him down. 00:09:12 alise, maybe, but I can use it as one 00:09:14 but is a verb now 00:09:54 I could put him in a Buissard ramjet and fire it somewhere, but that'd take too long to slow down. 00:10:08 And I don't have a Buissard ramjet handy. 00:10:33 Does he actually have to get back? 00:10:40 Well, obviously. 00:10:47 How else will I kick his ass? 00:11:21 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:11:34 Kick a piece of air. One day, the particles will reach him, and kick his ass. 00:11:40 Plus, we can get rid of him! 00:11:50 Yeah, but I won't be older than him! 00:11:56 That's the whole POINT. 00:12:09 alternative: hire Chuck Norris. Except chuck Norris can't be hired for money. 00:12:13 or something 00:12:29 Chuck Norris is a fuckwit. 00:12:34 alise, true 00:12:39 Chuck Norris roundhouse kicking you in the face would send you back in time. 00:12:44 Seen that video where he talks about bible-based education shit? 00:12:45 Ha. 00:12:57 btw, rule 34 on Chuck Norris. 00:13:09 no! 00:13:10 hell no. 00:13:18 Your Feynman diagram would be in the shape of a cross. 00:13:25 hm on second thought, no indeed 00:13:44 okay then... rule 34 on Feynman diagrams and/or Feynman? 00:13:46 augh 00:14:00 i'd totally go gay for feynman 00:14:07 XD 00:14:11 http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=richard+feynman+porn&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= 00:14:16 the world is not evil enough to create it 00:14:31 Yeah, but you'd need Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick you in the face to send you back in time to see him. 00:15:02 And then he would have to roundhouse kick you in the face in the past, as well, to make your go forward/ 00:16:32 At which point you'd look like you could be spread on toast. 00:16:39 Sgeo: dreamviews is so boring 00:16:48 i like ld4all, it's fun just separating the legitimate, useful content from the mystical crap 00:16:54 gotta have some entertainment right? 00:17:03 their website design used to be hilarious, you had to hover over an arrow picture to scroll 00:17:36 http://www.ld4all.com/guide.html still does! but you can scroll manually it seems 00:17:44 alise, hah 00:17:57 and it isn't hovering, it's clicking and holding 00:18:07 alise, is safe search off? 00:18:10 Looks disturbingly new age... 00:18:11 when googling that 00:18:39 Vorpal: yes 00:19:01 Phantom_Hoover_: there's one or two new agey forums and some of the members are kooky like that but the actual site is useful :P 00:19:10 and the forums are/were the biggest lucid dreaming forum when i knew them 00:19:18 but yeah, it does have a tinge of that. 00:20:00 -!- tombom_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:21:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has quit (Quit: I think I am a lambda I must sleep). 00:24:54 Sgeo: what technique do you use to LD? 00:24:59 i've tried WILD 00:25:12 and my eyes flick around like REM, half-induced by me, and i start to get very relaxed, but i can never sustain it for long enough 00:25:18 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 00:27:25 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:28:06 -!- sftp has joined. 00:28:41 -!- derdon has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 00:29:29 * Sgeo blinls 00:29:34 * alise blinls 00:31:11 * Sgeo is way too tired 00:35:23 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:36:02 -!- sftp has joined. 00:44:49 Sgeo: you know, a verified, optimising C compiler has been written in coq 00:44:57 (similar performance to gcc3 -O1) 00:45:04 compiles to powerpc 00:45:08 written by the author of ocaml 00:45:27 Great, now where's my instatiredbyegone machine? 00:45:46 Sgeo: quit complaining and go to fucking bed 00:45:46 :P 00:46:36 Can't go to bed early 00:47:54 yes, you can. 00:48:15 pikhq: replaygain_track_gain = -17.67 dB 00:48:17 pikhq: is that a record? :D 00:48:26 same album, different track: +0.01 dB 00:48:48 (replaygain_album_gain = -10.95 dB) 00:49:05 track peaks are all 0.9... or 1 :P 00:57:55 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:09:49 DAMTEMENTALISM 01:10:00 -!- sftp has joined. 01:11:19 Sgeo: 01:11:20 staload "foo.sats" // foo.sats is loaded and then opened into the current namespace 01:11:20 staload F "foo.sats" // to use identifiers qualified as $F.bar 01:11:20 dynload "foo.dats" // loaded dynamically at run-time 01:17:14 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:19:35 http://ijpeffwa.friendsofsmash.co.uk/ 01:19:36 The International Jurassic Park Erotic Fan-Fiction Writer's Association 01:39:39 "You can buy T-Rex and put him in your house! – 01:39:39 –...for PROFIT!" --qwantz page 02:06:27 -!- zzo38 has joined. 02:06:50 Now I wrote Deadfish interpreter in TeX. 02:07:04 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Deadfish#TeX 02:08:22 XD 02:09:02 A true milestone for humanity. 02:09:52 speaking of implementations, someone still ought to write a http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider compiler 02:09:56 bonus points if you compile the regexp to an automaton 02:10:34 The "esolangs.org" domain does not keep the login cookies? 02:10:52 It's the "official" one. 02:10:59 The voxelperfect alias is just the server, methinks. 02:11:07 Log in to esolangs.org and it'll work. 02:12:33 alise: It doesn't work when I try. When I do that, it redirects to the other domain and sets the cookie there anyways, so you cannot be logged in to "esolangs.org" domain unless you copy the cookie using a cookie management function. 02:13:02 Your browser is borken. 02:13:17 I just did it; not a single redirection. 02:15:32 oh gawd the slowness pains 02:15:43 coppro: ? 02:15:52 alise: uploading my mail to the new server 02:16:03 If you have TeX, try the Deadfish TeX interpreter, and figure out how it works (if you know how to use TeX, you will probably be able to figure it out easily) 02:16:22 progressing at about 1 Hz 02:16:22 coppro: why bother? 02:16:24 -!- cpressey has joined. 02:16:25 just store it locally 02:16:27 hi cpressey 02:16:35 alise: then there's a disconinuity! 02:16:41 cpressey: i just turned 11 1/2, do i get a present?!!! 02:16:42 Yes, you should totally just store it locally. 02:17:02 Context, as I have mentioned before, is for losers. 02:17:21 alise: What signficance eleven point five? 02:17:49 Or, short version: No. 02:18:07 cpressey: Actually, 15. 02:18:15 But, you know, same thing. 02:18:18 Oh. Well, happy birthday then! 02:18:35 Now where's my present? 02:19:25 Over there, in a box. 02:19:35 Oh my god what have you done to this kitten 02:20:30 If you must know: mostly Ed Wood movies. 02:20:50 Dude, that can't explain the ... what is ... 02:21:32 Can we make a INTERCAL and Brainfuck combined? 02:21:56 No. 02:23:00 yeees 02:23:05 why dilute intercal with something more sane? 02:23:21 coppro: do not say yes 02:23:24 it will only encourage him! 02:23:45 PLEASE >[+>]- 02:23:48 apparently my email upload should be done by 4PM tomorrow 02:25:02 cpressey: Not exactly what I meant, but I guess that is one way, to just put INTERCAL commands a brainfuck commands can be used together in one program 02:26:18 And then you can also combine codes of many other program languages, too 02:28:25 * alise wonders whether the fundamental features of an irc.IRCClient are its user credentials, or the server it's connecting to 02:29:00 alise: ? 02:29:12 zzo38: stuff 02:29:39 I think the fundamental feature is connecting to the IRC server? 02:29:46 -!- Zuu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:30:07 i mean what should be in the constructor vs arguments to connect() :P 02:30:22 alise: What program language are you using? 02:30:53 I think it makes sense this way: connect(host,port[,nick,user,password,real]) 02:30:54 Python, it sucks but makes this easy enough. 02:31:04 -!- Zuu has joined. 02:31:05 -!- Zuu has quit (Changing host). 02:31:05 -!- Zuu has joined. 02:31:06 zzo38: so you think it should just be "client = IRCClient()", with no arguments? 02:31:07 hm. 02:31:31 alise: O, you mean when creating the object. 02:31:42 right 02:31:57 e.g. client = IRCConnect(nick, user, pass, real); client.connect(host, port) 02:31:58 vs 02:32:00 erm 02:32:06 e.g. client = IRCClient(nick, user, pass, real); client.connect(host, port) 02:32:06 vs 02:32:08 I suppose you can have the connect() function return itself so that you can do: IRCClient().connect(host,port) 02:32:11 client = IRCClient(host, port) 02:32:14 client.connect(nick, user, pass, real) 02:32:34 (I mean, connect() returns the IRCClient object) 02:33:29 hmm 02:33:31 So if you omit the nick,user,password,real, then it will not login, it will only connect and then you have to send the login command. 02:33:55 Actually better perhaps is to put password at the end, so that it can be omitted even if you do put in nick,user,real? 02:33:57 zzo38: it'll always take those, because it'll handle communicating with a nickname service thingybob to kick off any clients that may be using the name 02:34:07 (since the rest of my code is too lazy to handle that) 02:34:41 -!- cpressey has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:37:38 Have you ever built a telephone? 02:37:48 no 02:38:32 Disconnecting in a bit 02:39:07 Sgeo: now 02:39:20 mmm? 02:39:23 disconnect now 02:39:26 I have a strange idea, which is adding a #catcode command into the C preprocessor 02:39:38 Why not in 22min? 02:40:22 becaudt 02:42:10 22min = 1hr 02:42:28 coppro: wat 02:42:38 it's a Canadian thing 02:42:48 O, this hour has 22 minutes? 02:42:53 I thought this hour has 60 minutes? 02:42:54 yes :D 02:43:04 coppro: timezone thing? 02:43:10 or? 02:43:11 alise: no 02:43:18 coppro: oh come on, elaborate 02:43:31 google it 02:43:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Hour_Has_22_Minutes 02:43:43 it's no fun if I tell you >:D... aw 02:43:45 ah 02:43:48 i googled 22min = 1hr 02:43:50 but didn't get anything 02:43:56 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 02:44:23 ..? 02:44:26 I got stuff 02:44:44 sigh 02:44:46 i didn't get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Hour_Has_22_Minutes 02:45:02 * Sgeo didn't see that >.> 02:45:38 That was in my google results when google corrected 22min to 22 min 02:46:12 In my browser I configure it to put "&nfpr=1" in a ":g" Google search 02:46:28 nfpr? 02:46:34 presumably "don't correct". 02:46:56 I don't know what the letters stand for, but it fixes one of the problems with Google search. 02:47:22 how hopelessly vague 02:48:01 Maybe there are other parameters I can also add on to fix it more 02:48:35 Do you know what other parameters there is? 02:49:57 Actually, I only Googled after alise said he didn't get stuff, I think 02:50:04 Or maybe my memory's mixed up 02:50:12 -!- Wamanuz has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:50:14 Well, at least I'm human then 02:53:34 zzo38: What does nfpr=1 do? 02:54:25 Why is Chrome so painful when it comes to Reddit 02:55:40 alise: It turns off autocorrect 02:57:07 zzo38: Which is not neccessarily fixing. 02:58:04 It fixes Google partially 02:58:14 zzo38: Some of us like autocorrect. 02:58:22 Calling it a "fix" is a bit presumptious... 02:58:45 does it still offer fixes? 02:58:57 I despise the "oh, here's what you meant to search for" 02:59:30 i dislike it, but *eh* 02:59:34 some people don't :P 02:59:37 http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/aceecas-pda32-keeps-the-palmos-dream-alive/ people still release palmos devices! 03:00:29 Have you ever played ZZT game or made anything with ZZT? How much do you know about internal functioning of ZZT? 03:00:46 None, no, nothing. 03:01:02 1min 03:01:46 what's ZZT? 03:02:04 The source-codes of ZZT has been apparently lost, that is why I am rewriting a reimplementation of ZZT in Enhanced CWEB and with SDL. 03:02:19 olsner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZZT 03:02:23 lost? oh noes :( 03:03:06 -!- myndzi\ has changed nick to myndzi. 03:03:24 (There are other clones of ZZT as well, but mine is different than the other clones, it is intended to be closer to the original, as well as being a full document about everything in ZZT. 03:03:26 ) 03:04:09 ZZT is still for sale through mail order, according to Sweeney in a Gamasutra interview[3]. 03:04:29 but not the source code (?) 03:04:35 yeah, presumably 03:04:43 alise: Yes, it is, although they offer the registered versions for download as well, at no cost. 03:05:44 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:05:54 myndzi: And apparently they lost the source-codes. It was originally written in Turbo Pascal. Mine is C. But I try to make it accurate as possible, I even downloaded a Turbo Pascal reference manual for this purpose! 03:06:15 why? 03:06:47 alise: What are you refering to? 03:06:53 why get a turbo pascal manual? 03:07:49 For maximum accuracy. 03:07:58 accuracy to what/ 03:08:00 *what? 03:08:05 if you don't have the source how can that help 03:08:15 for writing the pascall decompiler, of course 03:08:27 >_< 03:10:39 or just to get in the right mood and mindset 03:12:22 zzo38: actually, I think I'll include all the arguments in the constructor 03:12:46 client = IRCClient('irc.freenode.net', 6667, 'botte', 'botte', 'botte') 03:12:48 client.connect() 03:13:43 whyy doesn't irc ghost automatically 03:18:42 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 03:20:04 I also entered strange commands into ZZT to see what happens, and then think of how it was programmed to make it to do that, I also entered strange data into the world files that it will load, and I made memory dumps of ZZT. 03:20:56 I also require the endianness to be correct. (SDL provides macros to check the endianness at compile time, so I can make it refuse to compile on big-endian computers) 03:21:41 I am not writing a Pascal decompiler, and I don't need to decompile anything. 03:21:44 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:22:05 Now do you understand? 03:22:25 no 03:22:31 i still can't figure out why you downloaded a pascal manual 03:23:16 me neither, I don't think this explains how a pascal manual would be relevant 03:32:45 Maybe you can see, when you can see the program. 03:34:37 zzo38: Maybe you could tell us. 03:41:03 is the thing you connect to with a socket -- (host,port) -- really (host,port) or (hostname,port)? 03:41:05 unabbreviated, I mean 03:41:58 alise: I mean put the domain name or IP address 03:42:10 mm 03:42:15 should be host then 03:42:18 as an ip isn't a hostname 03:42:25 wow, i just realised how awesome an irc library could be with continuations 03:42:26 you could do 03:42:42 info = whois("somebody"); print(info.channels); 03:42:43 or whatever 03:42:51 and before the server returns the whois request 03:42:55 what the whois call would do is continue the server loop 03:42:59 so any incoming messages get handled 03:43:06 then when the whois reply returns, it calls the continuation it saved 03:43:18 also, any errors could be raised as exceptions in that continuation 03:43:28 OK 03:46:06 zzo38: do you know if there's a name for the USER/(PASS)/NICK combination sent by the client? 03:46:08 prelude? login? 03:50:43 handshake? 03:53:50 coppro: but the server has no part in it 03:54:18 alise: I guess it is the login sequence? 03:54:23 I don't know if it has a name 03:56:29 When I write CZZT, then maybe Tim Sweeney should sell this book together in the same mail order? 04:01:09 i doubt he will 04:02:48 Well, I want to send a copy of the book (and DVD) to him anyways 04:05:38 why dvd? 04:06:09 The DVD contain source-codes, executables, and DVI file for printing another copy 04:07:09 you could fit that on a cd. 04:07:42 I could use a CD. But blank DVDs are less expensive than blank CDs in Canada, due to music tax. It is stupid law, but it is the law anyways. 04:07:51 Even if you are not using the CDs for music. 04:07:52 how odd. 04:08:57 -!- Quadrescence has quit (Quit: omghaahhahaohwow). 04:25:14 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:26:08 zzo38: heard of the university copyright tariff proposal? 04:26:29 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5250/125/ 04:27:37 if you recv() from a socket and an \r\n is reached, you may still get stuff after that, right? 04:27:48 zeotrope: I have not heard of it before. 04:30:04 If it's accepted, I will definitely go out of my way to have my uni not subscribe 04:30:41 coppro: uw student? 04:34:54 this tariff, bill C-32 and ACTA, grim future ahead if they pass 04:41:04 * alise decides /not/ to handle servers that send \r one send, then \n the very next message 04:41:07 that would be ludicrous. 04:41:15 * alise changes his mind 04:41:27 grr 04:41:31 python needs a multi_split :P 04:44:28 multi_split? 04:45:23 coppro: 'foo'.split_by_either(['\r', '\n']) 04:45:38 'foobar'.split_by_either(['o', 'a']) -> ['f', '', 'b', 'r'] 04:45:50 like using re.split 04:45:52 but not so heavyweight 04:46:08 I think maybe the law should be this: require businesses that use TPMs to include a prominent warning on their packaging 04:46:32 (And in addition, don't have any anti-circumvention laws) 04:47:24 fuck TPMs 04:47:40 IIRC my computer has one but it's turned off 04:48:33 coppro: Then disconnect the TPM hardware 04:48:39 the bill is good on the whole but the TPM stuff invalidates everything other freedom the bill offers 04:48:47 *every 04:49:22 zzo38: It's a laptop; too much work. Shutting it off at the bios is fine 04:49:35 They need to add a warning label on all DRM products. There are warning labels required for many other things too 04:49:40 coppro: O, it is a laptop. 04:50:05 zeotrope: yes, uw student. Also member of the PPCA for what it's worth 04:51:00 coppro: you should also join WSIC, http://wsic.uwaterloo.ca/ 04:53:24 zeotrope: I will check it out when I arrive 04:53:30 are you a student there? 04:54:12 ya 04:54:29 what program/term? 04:55:04 chem eng/2B 04:55:32 I have idea to built new computer, with new hardware and software, all GNU GPL (and other Free software), the hardware design has a few goals, one is that it is not too difficult to understand how it works (someone can open it and look), another goal is for the hardware design to prevent "digital locks" from working. 04:55:50 However, I can still see one hole in it, the "random number generator" hole, and I am unsure how to correct this. 04:57:11 My initial idea is to use ARM11 and DSPs, but later versions might be designed to use MMIX instead (with a "pre-initialization" mode). 04:57:40 Do you have any opinions about this? 04:58:15 I don't understand why RNG would be a hole 04:58:34 * alise decides to submit http://merd.sourceforge.net/ to reddit, but cannot think of a title 04:58:57 maybe "merd language = dynamic expressivity + static type checks" 05:06:20 RNG can be a hole in some cases, especially when companies can provide external hardware that is required to load a game onto a computer. 05:06:44 Or even with network access, this can sometimes be a problem. 05:07:07 I can use trademarks to enforce some rules. But trademarks do not change a hardware design. 05:07:46 (You are not allowed to advertise your products as being compatible with this computer if you do not follow these rules) 05:08:49 how can rng be a hole 05:13:38 alise: O, you still don't know? 05:14:31 A game might have a random number generator, but then it uses the same sequence of random numbers each time, and ruins the game! 05:15:51 i see 05:15:54 how's that a hole 05:19:04 Well, the hardware is designed to prevent digital locks, but it isn't effective if a software company can just design their software so that it ruins the game if you try to mirror the program in hardware..... 05:22:18 hmm 05:22:20 i see 05:25:49 And so, we come swiftly to a conclusion: allow me to introduce the Natty Narwhal, our mascot for development work that we expect to deliver as Ubuntu 11.04. 05:36:58 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:37:14 bed in a second 05:38:42 Other ideas include: 05:39:34 Hardware-level debug chains, where the software being debugged cannot know it is being debugged, that the debugger can lie to the software about clock speed, time of day, IP address, and so on 05:39:47 That replacing system software requires opening up the box and changing some jumper switches 05:40:27 That it includes a comprehensive manual describing everything about the computer and how to program it 05:40:47 That there are simple hardware interfaces to connect to external devices, such as game controllers 05:41:09 That it has a built-in Forth and BASIC interpreter 05:42:38 That it has separate processors for main CPU and for video DSP and for audio DSP, all of which are reprogrammable (except for NMIs) 05:42:50 And more. 05:49:00 -!- cal153 has joined. 05:49:11 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:50:11 -!- iamcal has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:51:28 bye 05:51:31 -!- alise has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:51:53 -!- comex has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:52:51 -!- comex has joined. 06:08:21 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:10:58 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 06:54:51 How can you make arrows drunk with blood? 07:01:41 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:04:24 -!- oerjan has joined. 07:14:43 -!- myndzi\ has joined. 07:15:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil This is terra nullius; anyone want to start a country? 07:16:34 uh, that article says it's under Egyptian control 07:16:57 oh wait, I see 07:16:59 huh. 07:17:01 No, it says it was in 1902. 07:17:08 that sounds awesome 07:17:18 It is currently claimed by absolutely no state. 07:17:28 I should mention this in #csc 07:17:32 csc? 07:17:38 UW computer science club 07:17:48 same sort of people generally as here 07:17:49 And under very well-defined international law, it would be perfectly valid for one to set up a country there. 07:17:56 except they'd actually go there and start a country 07:18:15 If I had enough money to make a reasonable investment into it, I'd probably do so. 07:18:28 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 07:18:32 -!- iamcal has joined. 07:18:40 pikhq: you should tell Julian Assange 07:19:01 coppro: ... My *God*. 07:19:26 Though, unfortunately, he would instantly have war declared upon him. 07:19:58 -!- cal153 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:21:16 the USA has actually signed the Montevideo Convention 07:21:47 it won't stop them from taking some actions, but they'll do those anywhere 07:22:30 Somehow, I doubt they care. 07:22:49 they wouldn't care about it in Sweden either 07:23:04 the USA firmly believes in its right to kill other people 07:23:25 The USA firmly believes in its right to kill *everyone*. 07:23:32 no, not USAians 07:23:38 Yes USAians. 07:23:57 well, I suppose 07:24:01 but that has to be approved 07:24:08 and go through normal courts, etc. 07:24:17 The US military has recently had shoot-to-kill orders against US citizens. 07:24:23 really? 07:24:25 wtf 07:24:27 Yes. 07:24:28 I thought that was illegal 07:24:58 someone should try to sneak a right to life into the constitution and have the gop support it because they think it will ban abortion 07:25:35 Anwar al-Awlaki (born in Las Cruces, New Mexico) has standing shoot-to-kill orders against him. 07:25:46 Said orders from President Obama. 07:26:21 wow 07:26:35 oh wait, does the restriction against killing citizens only apply on US soil? 07:27:03 Doesn't matter; it's still blatantly illegal. You see, the US constitution requires due process. 07:28:23 pikhq: that's only for crimes 07:28:31 the US can in theory still kill someone arbitrarily 07:29:16 Under this crazy-ass loose interpretation of the US constitution, it can. 07:30:03 If you look at what it actually says, the US hardly has the authority to pick its nose. 07:30:24