< 1280707942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so, did the kernel finish installing yet? < 1280708048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then... night < 1280708181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: haven't started yet < 1280709479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, couldn't sleep, due to this idea: < 1280709485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :md5 quine < 1280709499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible? < 1280709518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1280709586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280710119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1280710505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm < 1280710524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: crc32 quines exist i think < 1280710526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1280710528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so possible < 1280710875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genteelmen. < 1280711068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project for the insane: Translate Hamlet to Toki Pona. < 1280711253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have a word for "green"; you have to use "yelo laso" (yellow blue) or something. < 1280711287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toki Ponans express larger numbers additively by using phrases such as tu wan for three, tu tu for four, and so on.[27] This feature was added to make it impractical to communicate large numbers.[6] < 1280711478 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1280711662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tu tu mute tu wan < 1280711668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"four many three" = 4*3 < 1280711673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thwarted you, Kisa! < 1280711686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to ackermann < 1280711790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1280712293 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h5.50.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280712445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi CakeProphet < 1280712455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prophesised any cakes recently? < 1280712584 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought Sapir-Worf was discredited?
< 1280712772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context? < 1280712774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sapir-Whorf < 1280712774 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1280712841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1280712858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona < 1280712873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is; but otoh, toki pona utilises something a bit weaker than sapir-whorf < 1280712881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "making it linguistically a bitch to say anything complex or bad" < 1280712888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is obviously possible < 1280712964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT < 1280712969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION presses alt+f4 on qemu by mistake
< 1280713188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : md5 quine <<< if it's any good a hash, it's highly likely that there is a quine, you need 23 ppl for birthday paradox, in the md5 paradox you have 2^128 people and 2^128 days < 1280713208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you meant whether it's possible to *find* one < 1280713368 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280713430 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1280713483 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/MD5 < 1280713977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting uncyclopedia isn't much of an argument, how could you trust it when anyone can just put whatever they want in there < 1280714094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blehs at his dad wanting to buy him a Kindle
< 1280714254 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280714278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which you obviously must obey. < 1280714300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, one of the main things I want is the ability to use it like blank pen and paper < 1280714317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a review suggesting that the handwriting stuff is better for short notes than for that sort of thing < 1280714329 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess I'll have to try it in a store [the Sony eReader Touch] < 1280714359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would mean I'd be far more mathy, imo < 1280714491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irex < 1280714521 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time we had this discussion, I remember commenting that that's expensive, iirc? < 1280714552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only outside of US. < 1280714575 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly cheap in the US either :P < 1280714587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oops! Google Chrome could not find shop.ereaderoutfitters.com < 1280714587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1280714599 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1280714679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does IREX have a handwriting thingy, so I can do math stuff? < 1280714688 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And take notes for class? < 1280714698 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280714775 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry, the page you requested was not found." < 1280714783 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^trying to go to the BestBuy link < 1280714954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IREX does handwriting I think < 1280714956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a stylus < 1280715039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble finding it < 1280715050 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're referring to iLiad < 1280715078 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h93.50.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280715083 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$4800 < 1280715086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, $480 < 1280715089 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still expensive < 1280715153 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any reasons not to get a Sony eReader Touch? < 1280715232 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll get a chance to try it in-person < 1280715234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an irex. < 1280715241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iLiad is the old irex < 1280715243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Gregor < 1280715260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irexreader.com/ < 1280715410 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IREX DR800SG is what I have. < 1280715413 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not $480 < 1280715435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is it? < 1280715471 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, I don't know where you can buy it anymore. < 1280715478 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be on bestbuy.com, but it seems it's not any more. < 1280715489 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280715639 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1280715668 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1280715736 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, is there anything wrong with getting a Sony eReader Touch? < 1280715753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herpes < 1280715829 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280715841 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280716099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1280716125 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 's probably OK. < 1280716125 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno < 1280716142 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, alise, my dear < 1280716155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop the last two words there :| < 1280716158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should make sure the software installs onto my computer successfully < 1280716178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's not linux :D < 1280716221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Linux version? Maybe I should use that. My Windows install is rather FUBARed right now < 1280716239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean sony reader isn't < 1280716241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irex is linux < 1280716254 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, alise, < 1280716267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: also the comma. < 1280716275 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello alise, < 1280716276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i said last clause you'd just linguistically correct me pedantically < 1280716286 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1280716300 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The Sony Reader doesn't run Linux? That sounds unlikely. < 1280716302 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all do. < 1280716305 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, well, there was no clause there, so. < 1280716309 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be less hackable. < 1280716316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: precisely < 1280716324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, yeah, but it's probably not X11. < 1280716326 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1280716327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a good bad thing. < 1280716329 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello alise, < 1280716332 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows life < 1280716332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yesh :P < 1280716339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1280716340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bad good thing. < 1280716342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1280716349 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1280716351 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badgood < 1280716358 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bane of goodbad's existance < 1280716420 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GOODBAD! Your watered down brand of evil conflicts with my botched attempts at dogoodery! < 1280716436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, when will you read Fine Structure? < 1280716503 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1280716524 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's Fine Structure? < 1280716527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the universe all's out of line and -- "Fucking--! What the fuck i-- I'm not even going to ask, where is the prince, is the prince here? What have you done with the prince?" "Sir, I'm sor-" "No. No fucking sorry. I want to know where the prince is." There was silence for minutes. "... follow me." He was lead into a ch-- what is this that I have found to happen? The things are all whats. < 1280716533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: a sci-fi novel by Sam Hughes < 1280716536 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1280716539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ^ there is your answer < 1280716552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1280716562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I can feel free to spoil you? < 1280716606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it augur and alise, stop having names that both begin with 'a' and are the same number of characters long >_< < 1280716627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1280716753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff happens < 1280716819 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, stuff does >3 < 1280716832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: gasp < 1280717113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to fix IE somehow
< 1280717221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if installing IE8 then uninstalling IE8 would fix IE6
< 1280717246 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for now, I'll just install IE8 < 1280717299 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, installer said it couldn't uninstall the "current version" of IE8 < 1280717307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it will install over it a new, unremovable version < 1280717308 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1280717331 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... how about you just USE IE8 ... < 1280717347 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, how about you use a real browser, but one step at a time. < 1280717384 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, there are many applications that rely on IE for one reason or another. < 1280717397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, Windows Activation happens to be one of them.. and it demands IE6 < 1280717407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when I eventually do a Repair Install... < 1280717438 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Activation demands IE6? That's hilariously broken even for MS :P < 1280717468 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually thought about attempting to .. do piratey stuff to my otherwise legit XP install to get around it < 1280717472 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I did a Repair Install < 1280717506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://abstrusegoose.com/249 < 1280717636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, restarting < 1280717831 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280717842 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280718036 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280718054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280718260 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280718380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1280718391 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing IE8 fixed the problem with there being no default browser < 1280718399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it made the default browser Chrome < 1280718427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1280718431 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Well, I think Chrome was the default, but installing IE fixed.. the thingy that handles URLs] < 1280718432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good choice, IE8! < 1280718747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to find his library card
< 1280719298 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280719708 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, congratulations < 1280719746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote GOODBAD! Your watered down brand of evil conflicts with my botched attempts at dogoodery! < 1280719759 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :202| GOODBAD! Your watered down brand of evil conflicts with my botched attempts at dogoodery! < 1280719786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALthough, uh.. this means that malicious websites could do evil things, right? < 1280719815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1280719834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i thought malicious websites only did _good_ things < 1280719834 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h37.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280719922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why congrats to comex? < 1280719939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/cw6ym/iphone_401_jailbreak_via_safari/ < 1280719952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jailbreakme.com/faq.html < 1280719975 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280720265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. It's back. < 1280720354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1280720359 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im totally comment spamming this thread < 1280720369 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much to say! < 1280720372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.x < 1280720398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/01/official-iphone-4-jailbreak-hits-from-iphone-dev-team/ < 1280720439 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you know anything about theorem proving? < 1280720445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of what sort? < 1280720470 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any < 1280720604 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280720816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/joshwrobel <-- boohoo < 1280721114 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no huh < 1280721177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight. < 1280721196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1280721200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280722649 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h6.45.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280722770 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280723370 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1280723929 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1280723931 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h62.3.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280724057 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280724877 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1280725478 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280725558 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang it, uploading 70MB or so of audio files = slow :P < 1280725701 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/op13/GRegor-op13-mov2-wipp10.ogg < 1280725881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, pikhq (not here), maybe augur, anybody else who might care, ^^^ < 1280726199 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280727002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: will look after BBT < 1280728453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg bbt < 1280728454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :":D < 1280728477 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did your algos generate this? < 1280728500 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1280728504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The algos in my brain < 1280728507 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hands < 1280728515 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And right foot < 1280728530 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1280728534 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats not impressive < 1280728544 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any skilled human composer can write good piano music < 1280728576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sentence ... is its own definition :P < 1280728603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what that means, but ok :D < 1280728722 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A skilled composer is someone who can write good music. Someone who can write good music is a skilled composer. So the only addition is "piano", which is obvious since the piano is a versatile solo instrument that nearly anyone who can play any instrument can play. < 1280728777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and "human" I suppose, but I am insufficiently skilled at MAGIC to write a skilled computer composer :P < 1280728819 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was a compliment, take it for what it is. < 1280728832 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST ANALYZE EVERYTHING < 1280728888 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it was a carefully crafted sentence and im glad you appreciated it for that. < 1280728890 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1280729002 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280729420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Well you also need _talent_... < 1280729950 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280730635 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1280730712 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1280730835 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-230-187.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280731455 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: omghaahhahaohwow < 1280733341 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1280735033 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1280735638 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280735999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1280736000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1280738335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster, pikhq (not here), maybe augur, anybody else who might care, ^^^ <-- mmm thanks, will listen in a few hours, just woke up and have to head out < 1280738348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280740581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Heh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sorenragsdale/3192314056/ < 1280740709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1280740872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow it doesn't look flight-save. < 1280740947 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's two other nice ones in a gallery about the effect: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sorenragsdale/3904937619/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/meriko/4013673616/ < 1280741899 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes. < 1280741979 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love to do a bullettime fly around of such a thing < 1280743038 0 :DarkRedman!~RedmanFra@ip-212.net-81-220-18.versailles.rev.numericable.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1280743649 0 :DarkRedman!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1280743707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *so* happy I got RAID 1. Really < 1280743722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses mdadm to fail one device
< 1280743737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out which one it is physically < 1280745041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mdadm monitoring daemon mail from that: http://sprunge.us/YUZe < 1280745046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange style it is written in < 1280745069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, think about it, an auto generated mail have no reason to use P.S. ... really < 1280746393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a reasonably common style, though, to make app-generated emails look as if they were written by a person. < 1280746399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qmail does it a lot, IIRC. < 1280746430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bounces look like: < 1280746444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. This is the qmail-send program at [host]. < 1280746444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. < 1280746444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. < 1280746524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, why are you so happy? < 1280746570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One broken disk, no data loss; I presume. < 1280746624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not with RAID 1, surely? < 1280746642 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAID 1 just striped, I thought. < 1280746685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's RAID 0. < 1280746688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAID 1 is the mirrored one. < 1280746964 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, where you just have a few disks with the same data on all of them. < 1280747206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Usually few == 2. < 1280747286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : One broken disk, no data loss; I presume. <-- one broken disk, no need to restore from slow backup < 1280747330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any opinions on if this is drive or mobo? http://sprunge.us/bfPd < 1280747348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I suspect drive since it seems to have vibration issues as well... < 1280747371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noticed that when using hdparm -y to identify which physical drive it was < 1280747402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would use few = 3, except my mobo only has two sata connectors < 1280747459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't use few == 3, I'm not made of money. < 1280747469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you check smartctl's statistics, if applicable? < 1280747498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I checked that, no errors reported. but that drive spun down several more times (it does at each error) < 1280747514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but if you mean vibration stats I don't think it has that < 1280747563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess the drive is more likely anyway; if the sata controller has been burninated, you'd probably see errors on all channels. (Of course it's probably *possible* for it to break so that only one port goes, but it's maybe not so likely.) < 1280747573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the disk is quite readable, md data check passes but it does have vibration issues and it does spin down and lock everything up every now and then < 1280747635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is interesting that there seems to be no place to see that ata1.00 == sda < 1280747680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I figured it out from spin down count for smartctl -A and also that when running extended self test, the drive spun down, and when it restarted it had completely forgot about this last self test < 1280748020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -l /sys/dev/block | grep sda/ => "8:0 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/" -- the physical path there (target0:0:0) is somewhat likely to correspond to connectors. (Though on my system changing BIOS flips for SATA mode -- legacy IDE, AHCI, silly-RAID -- can rearrange in which order connectors {0, 1, 2, 3} and {4, 5} appear.) < 1280748078 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure where the "ata1.00" name comes from, though. I guess it could be something driver-internal. < 1280748147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. These two files should be identical, but one has 21639 lines in it while the other has only 16254; that's not quite identical to me. < 1280748174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the other disk is ata2.00 iirc < 1280748192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my dvd is ata3.00 < 1280748311 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other car is a cdr. < 1280748369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 1 aug 21.48 8:0 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0f.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda < 1280748370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1280748395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where in that did you say ata1.00 was < 1280748420 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280748432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and driver is sata_via iirc < 1280748846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think that the "ataN" numbering would be in the same order than what's in /sys/bus/scsi/devices, though there might be some differences in 0-/1-based indexing and/or if there's multiple SATA controllers around. < 1280748930 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280748998 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280749122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is a SATA controller and a PATA controller < 1280749244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw do you have any idea about this: < 1280749245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# lspci | grep ISA < 1280749246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev 03) < 1280749251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is on a no-legacy thinkpad < 1280749266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some legacy I guess < 1280749268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering that < 1280749301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an ISA bridge almost everywhere; often the temperature sensors/smbus/i2c/whatever are hooked to it. < 1280749329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JDO (ICH10DO) LPC Interface Controller (rev 02) < 1280749332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm sensors does say coretemp-isa-0000 < 1280749340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt that one is actually ISA < 1280749360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkpad-isa-0000, well I think that is virtualish. < 1280749384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I like your last work so far < 1280749611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the "-isa-" part there is trying to say; coretemp uses the rdmsr opcode to read the temperature. < 1280749890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICH's (a random version) data sheet says: "Low Pin count (LPC) Interface: Allows Connection of Legacy ISA and X-Bus devices such as Super I/O; Supports Two Master/DMA Devices". < 1280749920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the actual sensors in at least one of my (otherwise pretty un-legacy) boxes lives in the traditional ISA bus I/O range. < 1280750000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensors-detect: < 1280750002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driver `f71882fg': < 1280750002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * ISA bus, address 0x295 < 1280750002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Chip `Fintek F71862FG Super IO Sensors' (confidence: 9) < 1280750059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was from that Atom box.) < 1280750121 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280750783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1280751233 0 :Leonidas_!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1280751250 0 :Leonidas_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Leonidas < 1280751303 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h252.37.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280752638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it seems that thinkpad-isa is really provided by ACPI < 1280752754 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1280752754 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1280752754 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1280752870 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1280752878 0 :mycroftiv!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280753214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, there doesn't seem to be lm-sensors package for the N900, at least in the repo. It does have drivers for the sensors; there's /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon[01] (omap temperature sensor and something in the i2c bus), and I can even read current brightness and such from the files there, but there's no user-space command-line app. (There's some battery-graphing tools that I think monitor sensors too, and a port of http://conky.sourceforge.net/, but that's about it. < 1280754189 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280754613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it count as open-source if you distribute an executable for which there /is/ no source code? < 1280754779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what do you mean with no source? lost source? written in machine code directly with a hex editor? < 1280754792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former I would say no, the latter probably yes < 1280754796 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written directly with a hex editor. < 1280754810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, depends on the license too < 1280754838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming all of those things. < 1280754908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSI's definition is: "The source code must be the preferred form in which a programmer would modify the program." < 1280754929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh... I guess it depends on which programmer you ask. < 1280755350 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E614E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280755622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't it also require that it has a free license? < 1280755629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as BSD or GPL or whatever < 1280756357 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is using non-tail recursion A Bad Thing? < 1280756504 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1280756660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, it requires all kinds of things; that was just the part defining "source code". < 1280757168 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: only for many function calls < 1280757205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derdon, recursion tends to imply many calls. < 1280757225 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, not necessarily < 1280757244 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you can define this typical recursive definition of a factorial < 1280757252 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and then compute the factorial of 5 < 1280757267 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280757281 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there are less function calls than with the factorial of 100 < 1280757285 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be clear < 1280757294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course. < 1280757389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280757990 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1280758005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh, it's a secret < 1280758234 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280758271 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280758479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280758567 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280759479 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-51.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280759817 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@188-22-125-141.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1280759829 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1280760275 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good day. < 1280761714 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280762197 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280762423 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, cabal (Haskell) and setuptools (Python) are too similar to be explained by coincidence. Who copied who? < 1280762536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was first? < 1280762553 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In an effort to prevent bots from registering and spamming up the forum, you are kindly requested to refrain from registering if you are incapable of feeling love. < 1280762564 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If this prevents you from registering and you are a human, maybe you should talk to someone about it." < 1280762578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do they test for it? < 1280762618 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the Turing test except... no, I cannot say. < 1280762846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280762981 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280762998 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1280763135 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1280763237 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280763433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random thought: conspiracy to commit a crime is itself a crime isn't it? < 1280763543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most cases, although it's a different crime < 1280763557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, incidentally, conspiracy to defraud is illegal, but fraud itself isn't < 1280763572 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so is conspiring to conspire to commit a crime a crime? < 1280763593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a weird glitch on the legal system < 1280763598 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's all get together and talk about defacing public property sometime < 1280763631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway is currently having a slight problem with this: conspiring to commit terrorism is criminal, but planning to commit terrorism by yourself isn't (unless you actually go ahead and do it) < 1280763670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird... < 1280763672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they arrested three people who were supposedly terrorists, but they're having trouble proving more than one of them actually knew what was happening :D < 1280763716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means in principle _all_ of them might go free, even the main guy < 1280763732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since they never got to actually carry out the plan) < 1280764681 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote OK, so is conspiring to conspire to commit a crime a crime? Let's all get together and talk about defacing public property sometime < 1280764687 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :203| OK, so is conspiring to conspire to commit a crime a crime? Let's all get together and talk about defacing public property sometime < 1280766163 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280766899 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280767994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Cat's Eye is a consultancy complany? < 1280768007 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, it used to be. < 1280768018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it now? < 1280768021 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do a lot of consulting these day. < 1280768023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*days. < 1280768033 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what it says on the front page now :) < 1280768122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A concern? < 1280768149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, if someone requires my unique services and is willing to pay me for it, I'm open to discussion. But while I was working for corporations with "non compete" clauses I couldn't do any consulting work. < 1280768160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a "concern". :) < 1280768179 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, found cpressey's linked-in page :) "Esoteric Programming Language Designer" is an awesome job title btw < 1280768196 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I take LinkedIn VERY seriously, you see... < 1280768198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that "konsern" in norwegian means a large corporation
< 1280768213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, probably the same root. < 1280768239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1280768249 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't english 'concern' also have that meaning? < 1280768254 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "concern" is usually how "large corporation" is translated from Japanese to English, too. < 1280768275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such a general, ambiguous word in English. < 1280768290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c -> k,s according to pronunciation is a regular rule in norwegian spelling < 1280768351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it seems to mean a group of companies < 1280768390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concern_(business) seems to be a german borrowing < 1280768415 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what business can you do with esolangs? < 1280768437 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You tell me! :) < 1280768446 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1280768457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, torture device? < 1280768482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, you won't talk? Then implement quicksort in Lazy K!" < 1280768500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article has some horrible grammar :D < 1280768527 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start posting esolangs on the esolangs reddit you can at least get some reddit karma < 1280768668 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280768840 0 :Gregor-P!~AndChat@70-7-163-251.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280768854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an esolangs reddit? < 1280768869 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/esolangs/ < 1280768891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"conglomerate" seems to be a more precise english equivalent. maybe _too_ precise. < 1280768905 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was about to ask why eso-std is mentioned, but it's apparently 2 years old
< 1280768910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or narrow) < 1280768929 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an initial torrent of activity around the time it started, a couple of years later I made the first comment < 1280768967 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In English it can be used informally to refer to a single company or other organization < 1280769018 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, of course, in the very general sense of "nexus of interest", which is kind of how I was applying it. < 1280769264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure if you can say that in norwegian without being closer to either issue ("sak") or worry ("bekymring")
< 1280769384 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the same applies to swedish < 1280769423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looking at wiktionary interest ("interesse") might also apply < 1280769434 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly enough we have the verb concern (as 'koncernera') in swedish < 1280769459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in norwegian afaik < 1280769519 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's very seldomly used (would sound very swenglish, although it's very old and actually imported from german rather than english) < 1280769584 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has synonyms though - avse, angå, röra < 1280769593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might use berøre ("touch") < 1280769607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah angå as well < 1280770265 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280770512 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280771311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1280771407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, but "concern" would apply to catseye also in the "concern, worry, headache, vexation -- (something or someone that causes anxiety; a source of unhappiness; "New York traffic is a constant concern"; "it's a major worry")" sense pretty well, wouldn't it? < 1280771420 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yup :) < 1280771459 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wasn't that exactly what someone meant? < 1280771463 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever is to be done with all these esolangs? < 1280771480 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but cat's eye doesn't do anything now" -> "is that something to be worried about?" < 1280771700 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280771805 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280772445 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280775140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a minimum number of bits required for a Unicode character? < 1280775221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've promised that all Unicode characters will be in the range from 0 to 0x10ffff, if that's what you mean. < 1280775268 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if that's NOT what you mean, then yes but that's more a question about compression than about Unicode. < 1280775361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather large amounts of that range are currently empty, but of course they might fill them later. (Since they did jump from the original 16 bits to 17 planes of that size, I guess it's concievable that they might go all "whoops, we'll need a bit more range after all" again.) < 1280775376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, um. what encoding? < 1280775394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is not an encoding after all... utf-8, utf-16, UCS4 and so on are < 1280775400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not encoding; just the codepoints. < 1280775401 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: As long as they don't introduce a typesetting equivalent of leap seconds... < 1280775440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably there's a specified largest codepoint, which can be represented with a fixed number of bits. < 1280775440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I guess one but for the first two chars, two bits for the first 4 chars and so on :P < 1280775445 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's a finite range, at least at the moment. < 1280775453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 0x10ffff, like I said. < 1280775456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah not in that sense < 1280775463 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the moment? They could embiggen it in the future? < 1280775479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why only 0x10ffff ? And not 0xffffff < 1280775482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They could replace the contents of the standard with base64-encoded porn in the future, if they want. < 1280775495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, they've sort-of promised they won't. < 1280775501 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough. < 1280775518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Expand it, I mean. I don't know if they've made any promises about the porn thing.) < 1280775562 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280775570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know why; there's the BMP and then 16 "supplemental planes" of the same size; 17*65536-1 gives 0x10ffff. < 1280775620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh < 1280775645 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit curious that they defined 16 supplemental planes and not 15; with 15 it'd be a reasonable [0, 0xfffff] range. < 1280775665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 24 bits? < 1280775690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 bits. One nybble for the plane, 16 for index in it. < 1280775708 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planes 3-13 (in the numbering where BMP is 0, and the rest are 1...16) are unassigned at the moment, so it's mostly empty still. < 1280775744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought unicode was 32-bit... Now I'm all confused < 1280775769 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plane 3 is finally being filled with some other anarchic ideographs. < 1280775771 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 maxes out at 21 bits. < 1280775777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1280775779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you said, it's not an encoding; there's just the range of defined codepoints. < 1280775788 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why there's so much empty space in atoms and galaxies -- reserved for future expansion. < 1280775792 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11110xxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx < 1280775870 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a five-byte non-standard UTF-8 encoding would be pretty obvious: 111110xx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx < 1280775881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the six-byte, too. < 1280775892 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that goes up to the full 32-bit range. < 1280775916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. There's 31 "data" bits in a six-byte sequence. < 1280775939 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO CLOSE < 1280775952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it so that the earlier UTF-8 spec did go up to 6 bytes? < 1280775961 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The original specification allowed for sequences of up to six bytes covering numbers up to 31 bits (the original limit of the Universal Character Set). However, UTF-8 was restricted by RFC 3629 (Note: IETF doesn't define UTF-8, Unicode does) to use only the area covered by the formal Unicode definition, U+0000 to U+10FFFF, in November 2003." < 1280775966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it seems to have been. < 1280775973 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seven-byte, with the first byte containing no payload :P < 1280775991 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 31-bit limit seems to be a original codepoint space of UCS (before it kept synchronized to unicode) < 1280776003 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: You could do that, but it'd be even more nonstandard, if that's a concept. < 1280776156 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eight-byte UTF-8 would break all the invariants though :( < 1280776183 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11111111 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx 10xxxxxx < 1280776202 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nine-byte is crazy stew. < 1280776244 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280776271 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I get "! Emergency stop." when entering "\relax" at the METAFONT prompt? < 1280776364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Irony is still up to her old tricks, it seems. < 1280776397 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe \panic will reset the emergency brakes < 1280776399 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried entering other things too, I get the same error regardless of what command I enter. < 1280776416 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the same error with "\panic" < 1280776427 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like anything else I try < 1280776870 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\don't panic < 1280776960 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't going to work any better (I did try it anyways) < 1280777050 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Try "plain" ? < 1280777094 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I got a whole bunch of stuff but it still stopped < 1280777110 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK, so at least that's something < 1280777113 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I got various error messages < 1280777113 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that from: http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=useMF < 1280777144 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including "! Missing `)' has been inserted." and "! Missing `=' has been inserted." and various other things. < 1280777156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find some sort of metafont example and build on that? It doesn't sound very feasible to just start typing stuff and find things out by trial-and-error, no matter how noble it sounds. < 1280777178 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find an example, and the example told me to start by typing "\relax". < 1280777199 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad example! /me whacks example with newspaper < 1280777201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit on MetaFont in this TeX book -- http://makingtexwork.sourceforge.net/mtw/ch11.html -- but it's mostly about how to run existing programs. < 1280777217 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by "a+b-c=0;" < 1280777235 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it stops after "\relax" so I can't get a chance to enter "a+b-c=0;" < 1280777308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1280777316 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I must have forgotten to build the base files. < 1280777319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mf" here does what the example says it should. < 1280777331 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Namely, change the prompt from ** to *.)' < 1280777413 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which directories do I build the base with MiKTeX? Is there some environment variables I need to set? < 1280777506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With TeX it works to enter "\relax" at the "**" prompt and then any TeX codes can be entered, and it won't be emergency stop until CTRL+C is pushed.) < 1280777524 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feelin' yer askin' the wrong channel, pilgrim. < 1280777562 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I do too but what is the right channel? I can't find it < 1280777600 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: errr... have you tried in #latex ? < 1280777615 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a guess < 1280777644 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1280777651 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I tried #TeX and #metafont < 1280777665 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know. < 1280777667 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1280778403 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have an itch to build an excessively convoluted command-line interface. < 1280778741 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after reading some more about php, I now have an itch to get rid of wordpress < 1280778769 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And rewrite it in Perl :P < 1280778780 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH BUT PHP IS BEAUTY INCARNATE < 1280778782 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not perl, anything except perl < 1280778794 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not python either < 1280778814 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real problem is that all languages suck. < 1280778817 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1280778844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, why does PHP incur such hatred? < 1280778847 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do suck less than others. < 1280778883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's mostly because it's a language which is easy to write badly in, commonly used by bad programmers, and also badly designed (especially wrt security) < 1280778886 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP's only real problems are that it's like a language from 1985 in terms of features and that its library is an enormous flat namespace. < 1280778898 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/about/php.html < 1280778906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namespacing never stopped CL... < 1280778929 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. Because everyone uses CL. < 1280778945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1280778975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/CL/C/ < 1280779018 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even C has a better namespace story thanks to separate compilation. < 1280779052 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, the PHP while loop... what's sad is that it seems *every* feature of php has been implemented similarly < 1280779057 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is THAT. PHP is an interpreted language that doesn't even have separate compilation, go figure. < 1280779099 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem though is that every other language sucks too :P < 1280779112 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280779124 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the perfect languages suck! < 1280779139 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280779144 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO PHP is better for its purpose than Python, but worse for any other purpose, and both are terrible :P < 1280779147 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do any of the non-perfect but still non-sucky ones < 1280779199 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell doesn't suck. < 1280779200 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: you mean it's better than python for php's purpose or better than python is for *its* purpose? < 1280779202 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHA < 1280779225 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Better thab Python at being PHP :P < 1280779231 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than < 1280779243 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1280779275 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I DESPERATELY want somebody to write a Hackiki userland in Haskell :P < 1280779369 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be AWESOME < 1280779389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: yeah yeah. So what would it take for a language to not suck?\ < 1280779405 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I agree, they all do. Even if some more than others. < 1280779426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The soft ones are too soft and the hard ones are too hard. < 1280779441 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1280779443 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they suck, ultimately, because you can't go straight from thoughts to code. < 1280779458 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof ain't it, as fun as it is :P < 1280779465 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, maintaining someone else's thoughts would be a nightmare. < 1280779482 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ... literally. < 1280779490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah pretty much. < 1280779725 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, define "perfect" for a language. < 1280779758 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is the problem that simple? X-P < 1280779773 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take all existing good-enough languages, eliminate their suckage, you should end up with perfection < 1280779928 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, but it won't compile. < 1280780151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what languages do you define as "good enough"? < 1280780177 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that are good enough, of course < 1280780239 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they're "good enough" in wildly incompatible ways and for completely different reasons. < 1280780259 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok, of the ones I've tried, probably haskell is the only one that qualifies < 1280780273 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT GOOD ENOUGH < 1280780290 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C is pretty close due to its simplicity (but is lacking obvious enhancements that would make it good enough) < 1280780306 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof is the king of languages and the language of kings. < 1280780425 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about recursiveC: a C-based language in which you can define arbitrary code to be "static", and the output of that static code is code. You could implement e.g. OO as libraries. Compile to fixed-point! < 1280780459 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell, Python, Java, and C have a significantly lower rate of making me vomit than PHP, and C++ < 1280780479 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about Perl -- it's in between < 1280780495 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about Ruby either < 1280780502 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The core bytecode language is only a few hundred operations" :/ java makes do with just over 100 iirc, and that's with many operations duplicated for ints, longs, doubles, floats and objects < 1280780542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: RecursiveC sounds like an idiomatically Gregoresque language. < 1280780585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: re recursiveC: DOUBLE COMPILE. (reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WxJECOFg8w and related) < 1280780710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280780713 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: C++ did that, but instead of overloading yet another meaning of 'static' they introduced a new keyword: 'template' < 1280780867 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, Plof is far far too soft and recursiveC is far far too hard. < 1280780926 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect we still (as a species) have yet to learn how to specify programming languages well. < 1280780942 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "still have yet" is redundant. < 1280780952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there, cpressey. :P < 1280781011 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it redundant? I think there's been a number of projects that tried to fix the "have yet to learn", but it didn't help and we *still* "have yet to learn" it < 1280781034 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, ok, maybe not. Awkward, though.... < 1280781119 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same goes for most of the other aspects of making software IMO, "software engineering" = lol < 1280781233 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Agreed. < 1280781439 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Better is Worse": your tab completion is so clever, it hangs < 1280781592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*coughzshcough* < 1280781613 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, let's not forget, all shells suck, too. And editors. < 1280781637 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all wikis < 1280781642 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT FOR HACKIKI < 1280782065 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesh < 1280782110 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: C++ totally does not fit my definition, you can't generate truly arbitrary C++ from templates < 1280782241 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh and by the way, Java and Plof's bytecodes are roughly the same size in terms of total number of instructions, though what those instructions do is of course wildly different. < 1280782272 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be nice to have a pragma or such that says "Try to reduce this expression to a constant at compile time". Instead of something as heavy-handed as defining it as a macro. < 1280782286 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact ... come to think of it, I'm not sure where "few hundred" came from ... < 1280782321 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, you couldn't stop such a pragma from hanging on arbitrary code.) < 1280782359 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java has 204, so a bit more than just 100, but still "a few hundred" is a huge number of op-codes imo :) < 1280782389 0 :Gregor-W!836b416f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.65.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280782449 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truthiness about the size of PSL: 88 core opcodes, plus 13 for the C foreign function interface (probably less for other potential FFIs) < 1280782453 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, isn't your suggestion just Lisp's macro system wedged into C < 1280782454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1280782478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIL (that .NET thing) has 229 opcodes; it's in the same ballpark as the Java VM. < 1280782500 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIL, aka the C# Virtual Machine. < 1280782527 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda, but since the "static" code (choose a better keyword) is C, the behavior would be wildly different. < 1280782543 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And declaring that Lisp is the answer to all problems is the problem to all answers. < 1280782552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: In the sense that it would be a lot more painful to write, sure. < 1280782572 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just depends on how much jelly we're willing to nail to the tree of C to make it easier. < 1280782574 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, you'd need to operate on the AST to avoid insanity, really. < 1280782597 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY GUYS this is not a real idea it was just a joke I spat from my brain :P < 1280782597 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-153-53.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280782600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And making the AST part of the language standard is surely madness. < 1280782643 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: a joke? you should know you can't joke about stuff like that here < 1280782654 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, if somebody wants to write it, sweet. < 1280782682 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beer to Phantom_Hoover. < 1280782733 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about actually implementing something like that in my language at some point, but it would probably be limited to type functions and use some kind of quasi-quoting < 1280782775 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about implementing that in my language. Then: PLOF! :P < 1280782783 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1280782785 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is to say, that BECAME the language :P ) < 1280782798 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't... oh never mind. < 1280782803 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what's your language like? < 1280782836 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: somewhat like sugar and spice and all things nice < 1280782855 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just a silly little language, nothing to worry about < 1280782891 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing to see here, move along, move along? < 1280782899 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1280782934 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have an idea for a C-like language with explicit malloc and free but provably safe. But it wouldn't be doing this "staticification" thing so far as I know. < 1280783032 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :provably safe against which kinds of abuse? < 1280783040 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280783056 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280783065 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1280783068 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, never executing any machine code that you didn't mean to. Buffer overruns and such. < 1280783101 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I figured you meant provably type-safe, never possible to dereference into data of one type while thinking it's another type. < 1280783109 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have this wussy concept of safe, then it might be more feasible. < 1280783139 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1280783159 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's type-safe for a certain type system. < 1280783170 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very large or interesting type system... < 1280783179 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1280783193 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I <3 that argument < 1280783234 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you define the type system such that the language is type-safe, *poof*, type safety! :P < 1280783351 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1280783854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only 3 types: integers, structure of (type*), and pointer to type (which may or may not be valid.) But in that, it should be "type safe", including the property that you can't dereference an invalid pointer. < 1280784206 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll either need whole-program analysis, or for parameters to be marked "freeable" < 1280784228 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, for free to be a no-op :P < 1280784390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1280784429 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what you mean about marking parameters "freeable". The other two I know I'm not going to do... < 1280784542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think I'll be doing that either. Speaking literally, any pointer could be free()d at any time. < 1280784607 0 :Gregor-W!836b416f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.65.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280784718 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here's my basic fear and reasoning: struct nasty { void (*nasty)(); }; void evil(struct nasty *n) { free(n); malloc(somegarbageWhichWillNowTakeNsPlace); } void main() { struct nasty *n = malloc(sizeof(struct nasty)); n->nasty = something reasonable; evil(n); n->nasty(); } // how can you possibly avoid this case if you don't statically know whether evil() frees? < 1280784793 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can either disallow it, but it generalizes to "make any use of a pointer after aliasing it or using it as a parameter", or ... well, or nothing. < 1280784804 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for one, I don't have function pointers. But I suppose that's a theoretically moot point, but give me some time to mentally translate the problem. < 1280784884 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function pointer was just to make it immediately obvious, it could be any pointer, maybe even other shtuff. < 1280784910 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you'd need to have some kind of ownership tracking and put that in the type system, wouldn't you? < 1280784914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, removing function pointers is if anything a step backwards. < 1280784938 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Well, perhaps I should qualify my use of the word "pointer". Pointers in my language don't map directly to machine pointers. They have some smarts in them. < 1280784967 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A step backwards? Define "forwards". < 1280784977 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless those "smarts" are a garbage collector, I doubt it's sufficient :P < 1280784994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, being able to pass functions as arguments is extremely useful. < 1280784998 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: K, well, I'm not certain myself. We'll see :) < 1280785012 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look forward to it. < 1280785185 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1280785494 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280785502 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280786846 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280786895 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1280787074 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.111.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280787092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no beliefs that cannot be dissuaded with cake. < 1280787120 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of the belief that you have no beliefs that cannot be dissuaded with cake? < 1280787125 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION offers alise some cake
< 1280787133 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? Hm? < 1280787153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse the cake. < 1280787196 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drat. Well, twas worth a show. < 1280787200 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a shot < 1280787323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yer not the only one with a crazy OS, cpressey. >:| < 1280787330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am implanting evil ideas into Phantom_Hoover's head. < 1280787338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1280787343 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, reflex. < 1280787345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:28:14 Ian? < 1280787350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can neither confirm nor deny. < 1280787351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wat. < 1280787369 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ask oerjan about Phantom_Hoover's mind control device sometime. < 1280787392 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what about Ian? < 1280787406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1280787421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ian is someone's middle name whose initials are ais and who, on some university, has account number 523 of his initials. < 1280787424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will say no more! < 1280787464 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would certainly explain the middle initial, then. < 1280787815 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I only have aaaaaaaaaaaais for youuuuuuuuu (why did this pop into my head :P) < 1280788232 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280788853 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the mind-control device that lets Phantom_Hoover control other people's minds or the one that lets us control his mind? < 1280788880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ask oerjan! < 1280788915 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he the resident expert on Phantom_Hoover mind control? < 1280788934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's the only one that will talk about it. < 1280788999 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280790392 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280790502 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-203-58.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280790532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERNET < 1280790586 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1280790663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said like a once-drowning man, rescued, taking a breath. < 1280790687 0 :Gregor-W!836b416f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.65.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280790691 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://codu.org/music/op13/GRegor-op13-mov2-wipp10.ogg kthx :P < 1280790695 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1280790735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Did he actually have a script set to ping him for my joining? < 1280790781 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1280790791 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was just too lazy to type that URL on my phone :P < 1280790796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280790809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shall listen to that after finishing Bohemian Rhapsody
< 1280790818 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a long URL! D-8 < 1280790852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves having good Internet again
< 1280790861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just Internet, but *good* Internet. < 1280790875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deciding to move 4 days before moving is t3h awesome. :P < 1280790905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So are you in Hick Town now, or Hicky Hick Town? < 1280790922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to your previous residence, Hicky Hick Hicky Hick Hicky Hick Hicky Hick (Hicky Hick)^G_64 Town? < 1280790926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm in a suburb of an actual (shock) city! < 1280790939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahaha, but seriously now, which is it. < 1280790950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [pikhq] lindbohm.freenode.net :Stockholm, Sweden < 1280790952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question answered. < 1280790962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Server locations TOTALLY ARE people locations.) < 1280790993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote INTERNET YAY Said like a once-drowning man, rescued, taking a breath. < 1280791002 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :204| INTERNET YAY Said like a once-drowning man, rescued, taking a breath. < 1280791099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, I'm in Oregon. < 1280791103 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you realize that's just your server? < 1280791108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything in Oregon? < 1280791113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T KNOw < 1280791115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (Note: Server locations TOTALLY ARE people locations.) < 1280791122 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode whois doesn't tell you which server someone's on, just which server location you're on < 1280791125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which Oregon? < 1280791129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1280791132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said Portland. < 1280791134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one in the Us. < 1280791146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: My answer, then, is that there is Portland, wherein there is David Parsons. < 1280791158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know who that is. < 1280791172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimalist grumpy coder extraordinaire! < 1280791177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: So far (4:30), I quite like Opus 13, movement 2, WIP 10. < 1280791179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that guy whose name I forget. < 1280791187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!*^&*@%@# < 1280791191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nick Welch. < 1280791201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is also a minimalist grumpy coder but less of both. (The TinyWM author) < 1280791210 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm from there! < 1280791231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... What the hell so many packets at once < 1280791243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: I was mentioning people worth knowing < 1280791249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I was talking about people < 1280791259 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1280791287 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor-Portlandi < 1280791290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: Aww I'm kidding you're adorable like a fluffy teddy bear, now where is the documentation for libavcodec? I can't find any. < 1280791291 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I be quoted twice in one day. < 1280791292 0 :Gregor-Portlandi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo < 1280791302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 199 < 1280791304 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :199| Why shouldn't I just do everything in non-Microsoft-specific C#? it's like trying to write non-IE-specific JavaScript with only Microsoft documentation and only IE to test on < 1280791304 0 :Gregor-Portlandi!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor-P < 1280791308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 204 < 1280791310 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :204| INTERNET YAY Said like a once-drowning man, rescued, taking a breath. < 1280791312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 203 < 1280791317 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :203| OK, so is conspiring to conspire to commit a crime a crime? Let's all get together and talk about defacing public property sometime < 1280791328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DO NOT PUT THREE SPACES BETWEEN MESSAGES. < 1280791330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO! TWO! < 1280791343 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, YOU STOLE MY JUSTIFICATION STRETCHING < 1280791360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I have the longest nick on this channel. Me < 1280791368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/!/ < 1280791376 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style. < 1280791381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I suggest "pH". < 1280791387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pH < 1280791391 0 :pH!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWW IT'S TAKEN. < 1280791394 0 :pH!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is slick though. < 1280791395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :PH______________ < 1280791398 0 :PH______________!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! < 1280791405 0 :pH!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1280791420 0 :PH______________!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is Very Untrustworthy
< 1280791468 0 :PH______________!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :f < 1280791479 0 :f!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot believe this isn't taken. < 1280791482 0 :f!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe... < 1280791484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1280791488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reserved. < 1280791492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like almost all single-char names. < 1280791498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The others are really-old-timers, or staff. < 1280791504 0 :f!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I can still take it... < 1280791504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly staff, and they never use it. < 1280791528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pH7 < 1280791541 0 :pH7!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1280791578 0 :f!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1280791678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God: < 1280791684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Please supply me with libavcodec documentation. < 1280791685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3, < 1280791685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1280791698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :God < 1280791698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear it has no official docs. < 1280791702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1280791704 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should it? < 1280791714 0 :God!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, my child, I can only manifest for 30 seconds < 1280791719 0 :God!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The docs are at... < 1280791721 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :write < 1280791726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Because it's the main part of FFmpeg, a super-major software project? < 1280791728 0 :God!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest26718 < 1280791734 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot that I own this nick :P < 1280791742 0 :Guest26718!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :read < 1280791750 0 :read!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Moriarty < 1280791757 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OPEN!!!!! SOURCE!!!!! < 1280791768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: No dissing ffmpeg. That's Fabrice Bellard you're dissing there. < 1280791773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Do Not Diss Fabrice Fucking Bellard. < 1280791783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Fabrice Bellard is not known for comprehensive documentation. < 1280791785 0 :Moriarty!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :grub < 1280791788 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No diss express or implied. < 1280791792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but he isn't them main FFmpeg dev any more :P < 1280791793 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fabrice Fucking Bellard. Mmmmmmmmmmm < 1280791811 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor-P < 1280791813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Gregor's gay fantasies are open source-related and preferably autosexual. < 1280791815 0 :grub!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest19696 < 1280791819 0 :Guest19696!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1280791821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or Apollo-related. < 1280791842 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not all of them! < 1280791855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, but you don't tell us about the rest. < 1280791930 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Can't I be a zealot about how DARE you ask for documentation on a product where you can read the KODE?? Oh, *can't* I? PulEEZE? < 1280791935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOGS that are simultaneously MACHINES. < 1280791945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dashing DOG Machines; they are invading our Planet. < 1280791957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well, with a literate program, yeah, you could. :P < 1280791982 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: NO. ALL DESCRIPTIONS OF THE CODE GO OUT OF DATE. ONLY CODE, CODE. IT IS TEH GOPSEL < 1280791994 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because the nick list of this channel IS the rest! < 1280792028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, what about theoretical females on the channel? < 1280792036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're gay fantasies too. < 1280792045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: You /could/ just be blatant about it and, say, propose a channel-wide orgy. < 1280792080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there actually any women on this channel? < 1280792089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Used to be. < 1280792089 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I PROPOSE A CHANNEL-WIDE ORGY however alise is not invited for legal, ethical and personal reasons. < 1280792090 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only one I can think of seems to be lament. < 1280792099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: My heart is crushed. < 1280792158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: You understand if I stalk you down and murder you, right? < 1280792192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not if I murder YOU first. < 1280792221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, everyone in this channel can end up chasing each other and end up inadvertently having Gregor-P's planned orgy. < 1280792251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you're in the forbidden zone for the Device. < 1280792265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I USE THE DEVICE < 1280792268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever it is. < 1280792275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait, lament is not female. < 1280792319 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I thought lament's real name was Nikita something? < 1280792336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, and Nikita is not solely a female name. < 1280792344 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1280792350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are none... < 1280792370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1280792375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is very much male :P < 1280792382 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is one of two other esolangers I've met in person. (The other was BEM.) < 1280792387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a certified Crazy Op, so BE CAREFUL < 1280792389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: BEM? < 1280792397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is he as unstable in real life? < 1280792398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEM = Ben Olmstead, of Malbolge < 1280792400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy Op? < 1280792405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He runs this chan. < 1280792408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really. < 1280792410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEM = Bug-Eyed Monster < 1280792410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1280792411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He de jure runs this chan. < 1280792428 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1280792438 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: He was very nice in real life. Ask him how unstable *I* am sometime :D < 1280792438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's the Mysterious Founder, then? < 1280792450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: andreou or someon < 1280792451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*someone < 1280792453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the exact name. < 1280792458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Aardappel was founder at one point. < 1280792473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of FALSE, Sauerbraten fame.) < 1280792473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who started the channel itself? < 1280792477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andreou or someone. < 1280792477 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I would have thought "founder" was an immutable property. < 1280792479 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly me! < 1280792482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget precisely. It's in the list logs somewhere. < 1280792487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Welcome to ChanServ! < 1280792502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Please abandon your sanity at the door. If you don't have any, get some then abandon it. < 1280792561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see... channel founding is late 2002... < 1280792585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, where has it gone. < 1280792607 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the established point is that if we had a channel-wide orgy, we'd all be on equal footing :P < 1280792610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEre we go. < 1280792616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From: "Al. Andreou" < 1280792616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-X-Sender: < 1280792616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To: < 1280792616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: [chat] Esolang IRC channel < 1280792622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He set up the channel on EFnet as #esoterica. < 1280792634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament then suggested moving to the Open Projects Network (freenode). < 1280792640 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, X-X-Sender < 1280792648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou then refounded this very channel. < 1280792653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep /IRC/: http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/2002-q4 < 1280792656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Grep < 1280792670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardappel was a founder at one point, I think; or at least an op. < 1280792698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, even in 2003/2004, lament was talking about how the channel is so dead nowadays. :) < 1280792714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the graphs say that activity has been steadily increasing since forever... < 1280792718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have a grammar for Eightebed. It's 19 lines long. Now I have to implement it. < 1280792730 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a mailing list? or is that dead by now? < 1280792731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I have a feeling Eightebed is not your most thoughtful esolang yet. < 1280792734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, it exists < 1280792749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: if you sign up, every few months -- years, sometimes -- you get a quick thread of fun with some nice faces shown < 1280792752 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's not super esoteric, no. < 1280792759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the price is a 2000% increase in spam box traffic < 1280792765 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: heh, ok < 1280792765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (barely even an exaggeration) < 1280792769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's fine if you have gmail. :P < 1280792781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: But it must be ENLIGHTENING! < 1280792808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry; EIGHTEBEDING! < 1280792829 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's a design in response to Gregor's comments about why a language like Cyclone should have GC. (It's a language with explicit malloc/free, with only a modicum of static analysis, but which is nonetheless safe.) < 1280792855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what Cyclone is. < 1280792864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, pah, I hereby copyright Eightebed(C). < 1280792864 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@32.165.112.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280792865 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/should/must/ < 1280792869 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should have put "should" in quotes -- see log over past few days for the various views of the parties mentioned. < 1280792869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am copyrighting names now. < 1280792874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also trademarking. And registered trademarking. < 1280792879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eightebed(C)(R)(TM). < 1280792894 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like being forced to do things < 1280792903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What must I do to get your permission to use the name Eightebed then? < 1280792920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I have the Device. < 1280792927 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1280792932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see that you do. < 1280792950 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is Sgeo here? < 1280792955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you see, it follows the inverse square law. < 1280792965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It involves five yaks, a Golden toad that hasn't eaten for five days, five boxes of antique confetti (not stripped of uranium), dye number 90 (blood green), a very confused weasel, and three pieces of A4.15 paper. < 1280792970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running it on alise would be... ugly. < 1280792983 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But Sgeo is AFK. There is only SgeoN1 < 1280793004 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And XUL < 1280793019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you reference Mozilla namespace pages before Ghostbusters. < 1280793027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Can you supply these things? < 1280793040 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well then! I may have to consult my lawyer. Who, thankfully, is also my yak husbander. < 1280793052 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware that the XUL thing was a reference of some sort... < 1280793064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: You've never seen Ghostbusters? < 1280793069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me that you have seen Ghostbusters. < 1280793082 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The confetti will be hard to acquire. The weasel's state of confusion, however, should not. < 1280793091 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1280793105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Okay, so that is why you are so strange. < 1280793110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: I prescribe one dosage of Ghostbusters. < 1280793112 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, you haven't seen Ghostbusters? < 1280793115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1280793117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: ... You have been living under a rock. < 1280793118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Actually. Make that two. < 1280793131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, haven't seen the second one. < 1280793140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1280793142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean two dosages. < 1280793147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I request that all harm is done to animals in the making of this production. < 1280793149 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280793180 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280793200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can we use the Device for doing harm? < 1280793211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: /I have no idea what you are talking about./ < 1280793224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, of course not. < 1280793233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Device has a habit of causing that. < 1280793269 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP-055? < 1280793283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1280793291 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten myself. < 1280793314 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgotten what? < 1280793335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1280793398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is definitely not a cube. Whatever it was I was talking about is definitely not a cube. < 1280793414 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, SCP-055 is simply designed so that it slips right off the human mind, while the Device is rather more... proactive. < 1280793422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the world's most evil sex toy. < 1280793454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not originally. It might be repurposable to that end. < 1280793473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to make the first line of a LaTeX paragraph all in small-caps? < 1280793496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were the resident LaTeX knowitall. < 1280793524 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders making an epub of the FLR
< 1280793596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: LaTeX the FLR. Oh god, I must do that.