00:00:08 that's like mixing cyanide and heroin, dumping it in a public place 00:00:11 it could turn into the programming equivalent of goatse 00:00:15 and putting up a warning sign 00:00:16 ais523, awesome 00:00:31 ais523, haha 00:00:43 "WARNING: HIGHLY ADDICTIVE AND FATAL" 00:00:43 Still a bit immoral, isn't it. 00:01:19 still, I'm still convinced that Feather is consistent, somehow 00:01:20 aliseiphone, add "FURTHER WARNING: MIGHT DRIVE YOU INSANE" 00:01:23 and can be implemented 00:01:23 * Sgeo_ wants to learn Feather 00:01:29 ais523, yes do it then! 00:01:29 Sgeo_: so do I, and I invented it 00:01:37 AnMaster: today is a /really/ bad day 00:01:44 ais523, well okay 00:01:45 maybe I'll try on Thursday 00:01:46 aliseiphone: i thought that was essentially the name-giving comic for Cyanide and Happiness 00:01:47 "ALSO WARNING: ILLEGAL DRUG. JUST SAY NO" 00:02:00 ais523, sometime within the next few years is OK for me 00:02:11 WARNING: READING THIS SIGN IS A WASTE OF YOUR TIME 00:02:13 "ALSO ALSO WARNING: TASTES LIKE ALMONDS" 00:02:18 -!- aschueler has joined. 00:02:30 aliseiphone: I thought cyanide /smelt/ like almonds 00:02:34 Stay Left --> 00:02:36 NOTE: MAY CAUSE NUTS? 00:02:37 discovering what it tastes like is quite difficult to do safely 00:02:55 "PPPS WARNING: SIGNS MAY LIE" 00:02:57 aliseiphone, or do you think that should be a WARNING 00:03:04 but the almond smell is a good way to detect accidental cyanide leaks in chemical labs, that's why it's well known 00:03:14 May /cause/ nuts? 00:03:25 NOTE: MAY CAUSE LACK OF NUTS 00:03:29 aliseiphone, yes 00:03:29 I'm worried about accidental almond paste leaks now 00:03:34 "Peanuts? But... why?" "Cyanide." 00:03:35 aliseiphone, people can go nuts from it 00:03:36 :P 00:03:46 aliseiphone, so it doesn't contain nuts. It causes nuts 00:03:52 * Sgeo_ is just being random now 00:03:54 cpressey: recently, there was a giant leak at a natural gas odorising factory 00:04:01 which was responsible for adding the smell to natural gas 00:04:04 * Sgeo_ is on lack of sleep, for not as good a reason as ais523 00:04:11 well, I say "recently" meaning "within the past decade or two" 00:04:17 Hopefully, I won't turn into those people who die due to not sleeping and just gaming 00:04:20 cpressey: Don't worry. Just look out for the smell of cyanide. 00:04:22 because I tend to be less precise with language when lacking sleep 00:04:25 Can't miss it. 00:04:50 ais523, you are sleep deprived? Why? 00:04:50 ais523: Recently -- I think matter had established itself by this point -- ... 00:04:53 I'm planning on locking myself out of Internet access from certain time to certain time 00:05:08 AnMaster: trying to finish off an academic paper 00:05:14 ais523, on irc? 00:05:17 well, actually having finished it and the deadline expires in 56 minutes 00:05:23 ais523, sent it in? 00:05:28 and yet I haven't heard from the person who's /meant/ to be submitting it 00:05:37 ais523, send it in yourself then? 00:05:37 and am staying up until the deadline in case something happens 00:05:47 So, I seem to be heading for the discharge. Hmm, that innuendo was unintentional. 00:06:00 I'm not the primary author, and I didn't submit the abstract 00:06:22 Oh, all hell is loosing break on #esoteric today it seems. 00:06:23 aliseiphone, I wouldn't have noticed the innuendo if you hadn't mentioned it 00:06:32 cpressey, why does it seem like that? 00:06:44 Wawait, discharge? As in freedom? 00:06:49 AnMaster: FLOWERS. PRETTY FLOWERS. 00:06:56 Sgeo_: Ha. 00:07:08 No, to a section of the local high school. 00:07:36 cpressey: you don't want to see all hell loosing 00:07:36 cpressey, What does your flowers make you feel like? 00:07:39 a few minor imps is bad enough 00:07:44 aliseiphone: Oh, I thought you were talking about your phone battery. 00:07:55 aliseiphone: So is that... good-ish news? 00:08:02 cpressey: "phone" "battery" ;) 00:08:12 whaaat? 00:08:18 I get to sleep at home and use a computer. So yes. 00:08:21 No, man. That's goinge one "innuendo" too far. 00:08:22 ;) 00:08:27 aliseiphone: how does it feel to be thrown out of a mental institution for being insufficiently insane? 00:08:29 Cool. 00:08:30 goinge to gaol 00:08:41 ais523: Saddening! 00:08:47 cpressey, do you understand how "phone" "battery" is innuendo 00:08:49 I don't 00:09:09 I'll "batter" your "corded telephone" 00:09:21 -_- 00:09:32 Then "configure" your "wireless base station" 00:09:37 that's just terrible as far as innuendo goes 00:09:40 both of them 00:10:02 aliseiphone, at least you missed fizzie's epic fail at innuendo 00:10:26 ais523: btw, you're teaching CS at #esoteric U 00:10:36 aliseiphone, search for this in logs: Gregor-P: What about it, how big are your... chars? 00:10:45 ais523: Are you doing this stint with or without the benefit of caffeine? 00:10:52 aka The #esoteric Institute for Higher Education 00:10:54 I don't drink caffeine 00:11:04 although I do eat chocolate on occasion, and some caffeine will have entered my body that way 00:11:06 I suspected as much... 00:11:11 ais523: Sound goof? :P 00:11:15 *good 00:11:29 aliseiphone: if it doesn't collapse the same way eso-std.org did... 00:11:56 Wasn't eso-std.org alise's thing? 00:11:58 ais523: All we need is an organisation, a building and accreditation. 00:12:05 How hard can it be?! 00:12:59 Sgeo_: it was basically being run by alise and AnMaster, and you know how badly those two get on 00:13:05 eh 00:13:08 probably part of the cause of its collapse 00:13:12 Hey. AnMaster had no part. 00:13:13 ais523, I was not involed 00:13:14 Ever. 00:13:17 really? 00:13:22 I thought he tried to submit funge-109 to it 00:13:25 esoteric + standards = fail 00:13:26 You were the other one, dude. 00:13:32 ais523, all I did was make some comments like "good idea" and some suggestions 00:13:36 ais523, no I didn't 00:13:41 aliseiphone: I was involved in the running of the site, IIRC 00:13:41 cpressey: The standards were the least important part. 00:13:51 but was impatient due to the lack of any actual standardisation going on 00:13:56 ais523: ie the only bit that mattered 00:14:10 the world does need an esoteric standards organisation 00:14:32 for allowing portability in things like brainfuck, Befunge and INTERCAL 00:15:02 Anyway, pikhq will teach systems administration, pikhq and me can teach software engineering I guess, Gregor, pikhq, cpressey and me can teach language design 00:15:03 Oh, absolutely. 00:15:17 What do I teach? How to overengineer? 00:15:20 and hell, oerjan can teach mathematics 00:15:29 Sgeo_: you're the first student :P 00:15:35 aliseiphone: I could possibly beat anyone here at the enterprisey sort of software engineering, at least 00:15:40 after all, I teach /Java/ for a living 00:15:52 wtf, why is the entire channel on PL :P 00:15:53 ais523: Please explain, and then justify, JNLP. 00:15:56 ais523: Which is why I didn't include you in that class. :P 00:15:56 so I'm decent at enterprisey theory 00:15:58 Gregor-P, PL? 00:16:00 aliseiphone: heh 00:16:21 cpressey: JNLP is a way of running programs remotely over the internet with strict security checks 00:16:34 aliseiphone, and Gregor-P teaches music? 00:16:35 the idea is that you can just load a JNLP program without user confirmation, because it can't do anything bad 00:16:41 Gregor-P: ? 00:16:42 (I think this idea is somewhat dubious, btw) 00:16:57 AnMaster: Ha, next you'll be suggesting degrees in English. 00:16:58 it's meant to be a new and innovative way to distribute applications 00:17:05 aliseiphone, I was joking :P 00:17:11 because the application isn't on your computer, but on the internet, it gets automatic updates, etc, for free 00:17:31 ais523: Thank you, that was actually informative. 00:17:41 also, you can ask for more privs than the default if the application is signed; upon it being updated, it keeps those privs without re-prompting despite a potentialy completely different codebase 00:17:54 at this point, I look at JNLP with extreme suspicion, even though I can see how it's useful 00:17:58 cpressey: Please explain, and then justify, FBBI. 00:18:30 my main annoyance with JNLP, really, is that it's supposed to be the usual and #1 way to deploy Java programs 00:18:46 and as a result, nobody's working on /sane/ ways to deploy them 00:19:02 -!- Gregor-W has joined. 00:19:11 (incidentally, IE is the only browser I know of which actually opens JNLP links without confirmation; most other browsers at least prompt the user) 00:19:12 aliseiphone: FLOWERS. PRETTY FLOWERS. 00:19:25 oh, me and pikhq can teach operating systems :P 00:19:59 aliseiphone: Or, it is simply a crap reference implementation in the tradition of crap reference implementations. 00:20:02 who's going to teach esolangs? 00:20:08 cpressey: PREPARE TO TEACH YOUR FIRST CLASS 00:20:18 At #esoteric University, the language design class IS the esolangs class. 00:20:25 Gregor-W, :D 00:20:26 ais523: i.e. Language design 00:20:34 ah 00:21:00 aliseiphone: WAIT LET ME GET MY MALLET 00:21:07 well, obviously, all students would be teaching their esolangs as well as getting taught other's 00:21:14 mallets are the best way to design languages, clearly 00:21:17 oklopol can teach... whatever the fuck he wants to 00:21:20 we also need... croquet hoops? 00:21:21 ais523, oh and you shall be offered a chair tied to the condition you have to complete Feather in under 2 years 00:21:31 or at least get a working implementation in that time 00:21:33 he gets a 1h30m slot each day 00:21:39 no rules 00:21:50 zzo38 can set the exams 00:21:58 oh my 00:22:01 -!- coppro has joined. 00:22:04 ais523: No. Just... No. 00:22:29 ais523, I think it is an awesome idea ais523 had there 00:22:44 Hey, all semester was stuff about lambdas and crap and all these exam questions are about Dungeons and Dragons, wtf? 00:22:57 "Some people like to do it this way, however some people like to do it the other way too. What is your opinion, how do you think will give the lowest memory usage?" 00:22:58 cpressey, :D 00:23:10 aliseiphone, :D 00:23:27 aliseiphone, I can be the headmaster or something 00:23:33 :P 00:23:36 AnMaster: NO. 00:23:39 aliseiphone, too late 00:23:52 You are preëmptively expelled. 00:24:04 aliseiphone, too late I told you :P 00:24:19 ais523: Where should it be based? 00:24:28 aliseiphone, THE INTARNET 00:24:31 does it need a physical location? 00:24:33 sorry, TEH 00:24:34 I'm thinkin' Canada or Finland. 00:24:49 ais523: We're getting ACCREDITED! 00:24:54 finland is much closer, so I vote sweden 00:25:04 Who doesn't want their Ph.D. from us? 00:25:07 olsner: XD 00:25:08 I reckon Norway might be a good place 00:25:16 norway is expensive 00:25:16 ais523: lutefisk 00:25:20 we can get oerjan to teach pure mathematics 00:25:25 as applied to esolangs 00:25:36 * Sgeo_ wants to learn pure math 00:25:40 ais523: thus Finland 00:25:42 getting accredited in Sweden would be impossible. The only no-state owned accredited universities are those established ages ago. 00:25:49 basically it is impossible for new ones 00:26:11 so the old ones basically went in by grandfathering rules 00:26:47 AnMaster: I am your father! 00:27:01 *darth vader voice* 00:27:03 augh 00:27:09 ais523: hmm... Every university has fast Internet; to one-up them, we clearly have to provide personal fibre optic for every student 00:27:24 Zuu, with such a bad joke I can only presume you are oerjan in disguise 00:27:36 And high-spec thinkpads. 00:27:41 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Quit: I'm using NO SCRIPT WHATSOEVER - Download it at file:///dev/null). 00:27:49 I dont need disguise, im Zuu! 00:27:59 zuzu? Zuko? 00:28:12 no, Zuu 00:28:20 Zooko?! 00:28:41 ais523: you've been to Canada. Is it cool? 00:28:54 aliseiphone, depends on the time of the year I expect 00:28:58 Cool enough for #ESOTERIC? 00:29:00 ;P 00:29:05 aliseiphone: I've been only to central Ottawa, which I imagine differs somewhat from the other areas of Canada 00:29:14 AnMaster: dont remember seeing me before? 00:29:14 being the centre of the capital, and all that 00:29:25 Zuu, in here yes. That is the only place 00:29:27 if you mean "cool" temperature-wise, it's comparable with the UK 00:29:35 ais523: Any objections to FINLAND? 00:29:54 AnMaster: you expected to see me in other places? 00:29:56 in fact, it's rather comparable with the UK other ways, too; Ottawa isn't more different from London than, say, Birmingham 00:30:02 It's not on the same continent 00:30:04 Zuu, mu 00:30:05 As me 00:30:12 Although military service at 18 kinda sucks :P 00:30:26 mu? 00:30:32 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:30:32 Okay then... RUSSIA! 00:30:32 Zuu, ask aliseiphone 00:30:33 aliseiphone: you're not going to manage me to persuade to emigrate just to take part in an insane project 00:30:51 I can't be arsed to explain it 00:30:51 ais523: Insane? Or AWESOME? 00:30:53 * Zuu patpats AnMaster :) 00:31:01 * Sgeo_ would not mind online courses 00:31:02 Zuu, wut? 00:31:08 Zuu: "mu" is an answer capable of causing the question it answers to not have been asked in the first place, apparently 00:31:09 Sgeo_: DIE. 00:31:11 aliseiphone: Clearly, the only reasonable choice is Antarctica. 00:31:16 ais523: No. 00:31:21 I think it was originally a metaphor, though, and AnMaster takes it literally 00:31:24 http://www.hsv.se/kvalitet/kvalitetssakring/examenstillstand.4.539a949110f3d5914ec800063591.html looks like the thing you'd need to get in sweden 00:31:31 Mu means "the question is wrong". 00:31:33 aliseiphone: I was trying to explain the AnMaster meaning 00:31:33 ais523: interresting :P 00:31:37 aliseiphone, :( 00:31:37 ais523, no 00:31:43 -!- wareya has joined. 00:31:45 in GEB, it's pretty clear that it's meant to unask the question 00:31:45 ais523, I meant "the question is wrong" 00:32:15 i never ask the wrong question 00:32:24 * Sgeo_ can't move just to attend the best university 00:32:30 it is neither true I expected it nor that I didn't expect it. I just have not even considered either 00:32:32 ais523: GEB is wrong about sone stuff. 00:32:34 thus have no opinion on it 00:32:38 *some 00:32:46 Sgeo_: you lose! 00:32:50 I think it was originally a metaphor, though, and AnMaster takes it literally <-- and I don't 00:32:52 *Then you 00:32:55 *gibber* 00:33:02 Good night everyone apart from AnMaster. 00:33:05 aliseiphone: I'd expect most popular maths books to contain mistakes 00:33:08 Sgeo_: <3 00:33:10 except probably "maths made difficult" 00:33:15 aliseiphone: ok if zzo38 cannot do exams, what about teaching ui design? 00:33:20 I should try to track down that book again, it's amazing 00:33:33 oerjan: I am running away screaming now. 00:33:33 aliseiphone, night 00:33:36 except probably "maths made difficult" <-- that exists? 00:33:39 ais523: Sounds it. 00:33:45 AnMaster: yes, it's a brilliant book 00:33:52 ais523, sounds awesome 00:33:57 among other things, it contains the formula for solving cubic equations, multiplied out 00:34:04 My N1 keeps losing the wifi signal :( 00:34:08 ais523, parody? 00:34:15 not exactly 00:34:18 ais523, wtf 00:34:20 there's an element of parody in there 00:34:26 but it's more a case of extreme pedantry 00:34:27 obviously yes 00:34:31 what's this about aliseiphone being thrown out of something? 00:34:43 ais523, but it is completely useless 00:34:53 coppro: iphones gets thrown out all the time :P 00:34:54 ais523, do you have it? 00:35:02 no, I borrowed it and returned it 00:35:04 years ago 00:35:08 * oerjan is still laughing from aliseiphone's zzo38 exam impression 00:35:09 ais523, ah 00:35:15 ais523, sounds like a fun book anyway 00:35:17 oerjan: I got told off here for laughing too loud 00:35:28 Calculus is really easy, actually! We just need to know the definition of a derivative of a function f over argument x: limit as h goes to 0 of f over x plus h minus f over x, divided by h. Now, the epsilon-delta definition of a limit... 00:35:37 aliseiphone, okay let zzo38 do web design then! 00:35:46 sorry, gopher design I mean 00:36:12 here's another random fact from maths made difficult: many people know the names of the operands to division (divisor and dividend) and multiplication (multiplier and multiplicand) 00:36:13 aliseiphone, any more advanced courses? 00:36:20 but addend and augend is less well known 00:36:28 and I'd never heard of minuend and subtrahend before I read the book 00:36:29 ais523, heheh 00:36:30 Sgeo_: ? 00:36:42 (I expect most people don't even know the word "augend") 00:36:45 aliseiphone, I don't need a course on introductory calculus 00:36:58 ais523, since addition is symmetric, shouldn't both sides have the same name? 00:37:02 Sgeo_: I was making maths difficult. 00:37:03 As in, "He can't tell his arse from his augend" 00:37:04 no 00:37:09 ais523, why not? 00:37:12 otherwise, how could you tell them apart? 00:37:13 AnMaster: *commutative 00:37:21 aliseiphone, well yes. 00:37:26 ais523, why would you need to 00:37:30 = is symmetric, yet you can still meaningfully talk about the LHS and RHS 00:37:41 it's naming parts of an expression by their syntactic positions 00:37:46 hm 00:37:49 good point 00:38:00 Bye. 00:38:03 bye 00:38:05 -!- aliseiphone has quit (Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info). 00:38:13 * oerjan knew subtrahend but not augend 00:38:31 ais523, that deadline? 00:38:45 ais523, did you phone that person who should send it in? 00:38:48 AnMaster: nothing I can do about it really but claim I was here 00:39:03 and phone? I know his work number, but it's half past midnight and I doubt he's in his office 00:39:09 ais523, mobile! 00:39:18 Maybe he's waiting in his office for you to call? 00:39:27 Just like you're waiting someplace insane for him? 00:39:33 indeed 00:39:35 maybe 00:39:40 Sgeo_: I emailed him 00:39:50 ais523, I check my email every other day 00:39:57 emailing people in the middle of the night is more socially acceptable than phoning them then 00:40:10 * oerjan checks his email once a day 00:40:15 F*** social acceptability, there's a deadline! 00:40:23 what Sgeo_ said 00:41:01 oerjan: good approach, I should do that 00:41:40 Gotta go. Evening, all. 00:41:45 Bye cpressey 00:41:46 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 00:42:47 ais523, again as Sgeo_ said phone em. Worth a try 00:43:01 AnMaster: I don't know their home phone number 00:43:11 ais523, tried work number? 00:43:20 that makes no sense, the building isn't even open 00:43:28 ais523, can you get into it? 00:43:40 ais523, Or what if that person fell asleep there? 00:43:44 in theory, but the security guards would get annoyed 00:43:53 normally they sweep through the building around midnight and throw everyone out 00:43:58 besides, I couldn't get there before the deadline 00:44:10 ais523, couldn't you email him the paper? 00:44:21 he has the paper 00:44:27 we both have a copy, it's in SVN 00:44:32 ais523, maybe he sent it in anyway then? 00:44:34 what I don't know is whether or not it's been submitted 00:44:39 he probably has sent it in anyway 00:44:42 What conference? 00:44:44 and just not told me 00:44:47 slash journal 00:44:48 LICS 2011 00:44:53 LICS? 00:45:02 Yiiiiikes 00:45:13 Gregor-W: are you OK? 00:45:27 Just yikesing at LICS :P 00:45:41 ah 00:45:55 Gregor-W gets his kicks from yikesing at LICS 00:46:00 the huge benefit of submitting to LICS is that there's no shame in being rejected 00:46:14 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 00:46:27 what is LICS? 00:46:34 is FireFly's quit message an oerjan reference? 00:46:44 AnMaster: a conference, a relatively major one 00:46:44 ais523, I expect so 00:46:47 I think it's a firefly reference. 00:46:50 it gets loads of submissions 00:46:56 Gregor-W, a what? 00:46:58 and thus, many good ones get rejected 00:47:13 I think FireFly's quit message is a reference to fireflies :P 00:47:17 ah 00:57:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:57:36 -!- augur has joined. 01:08:15 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:08:29 -!- Oranjer has joined. 01:13:50 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 01:14:57 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:18:26 * Sgeo_ considers joining Reddit Gold 01:19:44 Is that where you pay more to get even more shitty links? 01:20:29 It's where you pay more for a nice trophy and a private subreddit 01:20:38 Although you can just send in a postcard, which is what I want to do 01:22:49 Oh look, the Zune HD fecks up Unicode in ID3 tags. 01:22:52 Im so surprised. 01:23:04 It is a device which truly has no redeeming features. 01:23:39 -!- Gregor-P has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:24:15 what does one do with a private reddit? 01:24:34 olsner, store your own links? 01:24:57 that's what you have bookmarks for 01:25:17 olsner, yes but there are always idiots out there 01:25:33 who don't know this 01:26:05 olsner, and reddit contains a lot of them 01:26:10 idiots that is 01:26:18 not sure about if they know about bookmarks 01:26:25 probably varies 01:27:18 Well, I think I meant a reddit specifically for subscribers 01:27:21 *subreddit 01:28:51 So, a reddit where subscribers can post links about how they're so awesome. 01:30:55 (What with their being subscribers) 01:34:25 night 01:34:41 Presumably one has a private reddit so you can give messages to your future self 01:35:53 Apparently, there will also be features in the future 01:36:06 Oooooooh, you get access to hypotheticals! 01:36:08 SWEET 01:36:58 But if they let all those hypotheticals into Reddit Gold, what'll be left for Reddit Platinum? Reddit Plutonium? Reddit Megaawesomum? 01:37:05 Gregor-W: At this point it's a Paypal button that comes with a trophy. 01:39:11 I'm not sending any money.. although I guess it does cost money to send a postcard 01:39:19 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: No route to host). 01:39:45 -!- coppro has joined. 01:39:51 I have NO idea how much a stamp costs nowadays, so replace "X cents" with the appropriate cost: 01:39:58 Sgeo_: That's still X cents you'll NEVER see again! 01:41:06 Gregor-W: 42, IIRC. 01:47:11 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 02:00:08 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:07:02 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 02:18:06 Gregor-W, remember when you compared apples and oranges? That inspired me to want oranges 02:19:11 Gregor-W: Oh, you actually compared apples and oranges? Good job. 02:21:55 -!- Gregor-W has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:23:19 :/ 02:24:13 "Whereas apples and oranges are both sweet, the sweetness of an orange is augmented by the tangy citrus flavor. Apples require no peeling, which can be an advantage, but segmented oranges are easier to eat once peeled. Both apples and oranges have a wide selection, but buyer beware! Certain breeds of apples are suitable only for baking. Overall I recommend oranges for those interested in adding fruit to their diet." 02:25:46 someone needs to care for those whose parents never taught them to extract fruits from their casings 02:26:56 I'm a banana 02:28:55 Brilliant. 02:29:06 coppro: My spoon is too big! 02:29:29 -!- cheater99 has joined. 02:36:18 Ugh, the dog decided to vomit as I was cooking dinner 02:45:26 MOOOOO 02:46:35 Ugh, the Gregor decided to moo. 02:47:07