< 1278374404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from the absurd error checking...
< 1278374415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mmm, correctness)
< 1278374445 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel weird. I found a practical use for BF
< 1278374455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, oh what is it?
< 1278374475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to learn C#" "Go to this site, it's how I learned" "But you already had some programming experience"
< 1278374475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just suggested Python or C
< 1278374482 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278374492 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "encrypting" a file - not to actually protect the data, but just discourage casual observers. Run the following program, which interestingly enough has each symbol exactly once: +[>,-.<]
< 1278374508 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it again with s/-/+/ to un"encrypt" it
< 1278374539 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the BF program is shorter than the equivalent in nearly every other language
< 1278374550 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.5 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278374552 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current code is short but doesn't clearly express the fundamental idea "compute a CRC32 checksum". Remember, commands are the functions of the Unix OS.
< 1278374555 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, waitaminute
< 1278374557 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't work
< 1278374567 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you get "Look at your..."?
< 1278374569 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot how BF behaves when it runs out of input
< 1278374579 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[,-.+] will do it
< 1278374585 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sets cell to 0 mostly
< 1278374594 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes unchangef
< 1278374595 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... off-by-one error
< 1278374600 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unchangef
< 1278374604 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unchanged
< 1278374614 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[-.,]
< 1278374618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: No.
< 1278374618 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which my phone autocorrects to unchangef
< 1278374626 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes.
< 1278374631 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: what a fantastic phone i must buy one now
< 1278374632 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, I see.
< 1278374638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Look at your..." ?
< 1278374674 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Look at your original code. That expressed your intent incredibly clearly. Strip useless options. Get rid of the, yes, absurd error checking.
< 1278374677 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current code is short but doesn't clearly express the fundamental idea "compute a CRC32 checksum". Remember, commands are the functions of the Unix OS.
< 1278374678 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y
< 1278374692 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That's what I said.
< 1278374710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Okay, so screw the error checking that I added on a bizarre whim.
< 1278374729 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone tends to be anti-feature though (j/k)
< 1278374737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can keep the fopen error checking.
< 1278374738 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And functions shouldn't have unneccessary cruft. When writing functions, how many flags do they have?
< 1278374743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise? Pffft.
< 1278374746 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually, very few.
< 1278374767 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You nest (pipe) functions (commands) instead.
< 1278374780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: POSIX requires the argument.
< 1278374788 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, do try and remove all flags that significantly complicate your code.
< 1278374804 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: POSIX compliance is an amusing fiction.
< 1278374815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And almost all UNIXes implement that.
< 1278374818 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing actually *uses* cksum(1).
< 1278374821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Heirloom.
< 1278374829 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fine, fine.
< 1278374848 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separate the code common to the arguments. Say into a function.
< 1278374856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does so
< 1278374876 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if(flag)" in actually-computing code is lame. :P
< 1278374897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<aliseiphone> pikhq: Look at your original code. That expressed your intent incredibly clearly. Strip useless options. Get rid of the, yes, absurd error checking.
< 1278374898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1278374916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correctness is less important than simplicity?
< 1278374920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, yes or no?
< 1278374935 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, I do wonder if the octets blab might better belong in the BUGS section of cksum.1.
< 1278374940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, yes or no?
< 1278374942 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: For Unix? Yes.
< 1278374953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, no
< 1278374954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO
< 1278374959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: It probably does.
< 1278374974 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Go fuck Multics.
< 1278374982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, lovely system
< 1278374991 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Point made.
< 1278375008 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't work properly, was one minor flaw.
< 1278375045 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of a truly correct C program. Ha!
< 1278375045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, which one?
< 1278375061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, that would be awesome. But I suggest using haskell or such for that
< 1278375083 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, I suggest removing the libc dependency and rewriting it in PDP-11 assembly.
< 1278375096 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a truly correct haskell program???
< 1278375099 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha
< 1278375106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: :P
< 1278375113 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you know nothing of haskell :)
< 1278375130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this is coming out much more nicely.
< 1278375138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the sanity check, aliseiphone.
< 1278375161 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just call me "Ultimate Genius, Lord Over Everything".
< 1278375166 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I ask for.
< 1278375197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/ZWTV
< 1278375204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm.
< 1278375251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't compile though XD
< 1278375270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/else {/} else {/
< 1278375282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/name/argv[1]/
< 1278375306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, yes, hello world in haskell, ought to be truly correct quite easily
< 1278375318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you meant non-trivial then say so
< 1278375367 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Additional, nitpicking suggestions: Put the CRC function first; the UI is cruft, not the important bit; try and reduce the nesting of the UI logic; and use "!strcmp" rather than "strcmp(...) == 0". But these are minutiae; the code is great.
< 1278375381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*argh*
< 1278375386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE BUGS
< 1278375397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Other than the bugs
< 1278375398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1278375404 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Have you ever considered being less of a pedant in informal conversation? It's a nice social lubricant.
< 1278375416 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As long as it *looks* elegant!
< 1278375421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Hah.
< 1278375513 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I must figure out how to write a truly elegant ls(1). It has so many interacting flags, but separating these into programs seems near-impossible!
< 1278375537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, you are officially being an idiot or a troll now
< 1278375540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one I wonder
< 1278375599 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1278375644 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh? And which line made you decide this?
< 1278375651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<aliseiphone> One day I must figure out how to write a truly elegant ls(1). It has so many interacting flags, but separating these into programs seems near-impossible!
< 1278375656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, that one :P
< 1278375689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, and ls without colour I won't use. I find the coloured output very very useful
< 1278375692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just FYI
< 1278375719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Oh, how I wish that I could return a tuple in C.
< 1278375720 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are free to note that I can write ls(1) perfectly well, that a version with limited flags is very easy to make truly elegant, and that I have a very stringent definition of "trule elegant".
< 1278375736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trule :)
< 1278375754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, return struct on stack
< 1278375758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, return one *and pattern match*.
< 1278375763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1278375770 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, I don't, never have, and never will give a damn about whether you will use my coreutils or not. Especially as I know you won't from the get-go.
< 1278375771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try haskell or erlang
< 1278375785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patterns are no match for C
< 1278375791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, -_-
< 1278375797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ZVMh
< 1278375798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam.
< 1278375798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was truly awful
< 1278375817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta keep you on your toes
< 1278375818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that's the original one aliseiphone hated?
< 1278375832 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thats the old one :P
< 1278375833 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... ?
< 1278375837 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That's
< 1278375838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: OH
< 1278375846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1278375856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme get the right thing in the pastebuffer.
< 1278375857 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster speaks in a foreign language :P
< 1278375860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/GGWP
< 1278375873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: inte omöjligt
< 1278375889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, instämmer med föregående Norske talare
< 1278375891 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in a pub :F
< 1278375896 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You have crc's prototype right before its definition.
< 1278375902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh
< 1278375906 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is... interestingly superfluous.
< 1278375908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: ... Yearghright.
< 1278375919 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my bro is in norway and he's a f*#* genius if it comes to natural langs
< 1278375924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill that line.
< 1278375935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION aims and shoots
< 1278375941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and put static on the next one
< 1278375942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's dead
< 1278375981 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an ipad and
< 1278375993 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a keyboard here
< 1278375993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww ipad
< 1278375997 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he spent 3 weeks there and he actually speaks simple norwegian
< 1278376000 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a compiler
< 1278376010 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try hiding a laptop
< 1278376020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, an ipad would be equally hard
< 1278376026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, also put a compiler on n900
< 1278376029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider it done
< 1278376030 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong
< 1278376054 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knock on door, press button on ipad, rest on floor, hidden
< 1278376056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, _proper_ smartphones can run compilers
< 1278376061 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop... Not so quick.
< 1278376062 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bartosz Michał Gasperowicz FFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!! Lurt igjen! :D
< 1278376070 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so can the iphone
< 1278376080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, so do that then?
< 1278376099 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what does this mean?
< 1278376100 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Keyboard. Screen real estate. Processing power.
< 1278376119 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :500mhz arm + small screen + touchscreen keyboard = no
< 1278376128 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the ipad wish
< 1278376135 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Bartosz Micha? Gasperowicz DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!! Fooled again! :D
< 1278376153 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-2925108742.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278376163 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he works for a guy that can't express feelings, he just passes information
< 1278376170 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: l- not ?
< 1278376179 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and says somethin and then does something different
< 1278376181 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polish l :P
< 1278376182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: what?
< 1278376187 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's in a village 'near' Floro
< 1278376197 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nooga said
< 1278376212 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Micha[l-]"
< 1278376219 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "Micha?".
< 1278376221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was unicode? oh well.
< 1278376224 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not Polish l
< 1278376233 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its*
< 1278376236 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is.
< 1278376237 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ł
< 1278376249 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiiiit no
< 1278376251 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish l.
< 1278376251 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's*
< 1278376261 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l != ł
< 1278376265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, oerjan fail at unicode
< 1278376273 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish fuck you!
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< 1278384090 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278385613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1278386048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1278386053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long has clog been missing
< 1278386073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh several hours
< 1278386219 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278386265 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278389776 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1278390609 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1278390840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to demonstrate how you do a Makefile, for everyone that makes it too complex.
< 1278390842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/IEXi
< 1278391489 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://failblog.org/2010/07/05/epic-fail-photos-makeup-fail/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+failblog+(The+FAIL+Blog+-+Fail+Pictures+%26+Videos+at+Failblog.ORG)&utm_content=FaceBook
< 1278392364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a-doing a coreutils
< 1278392365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTW
< 1278392936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq>  http://sprunge.us/IEXi <-- I would add the .PHONY line, but otherwise I agree
< 1278392993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also I would, if I had more programs, add PROGRAMS = foo bar quux
< 1278392999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then all: $(PROGRAMS)
< 1278393003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clean:
< 1278393003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah.
< 1278393011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    rm -f $(PROGRAMS) *.o
< 1278393024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way there is less duplication
< 1278393035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but yes I agree with the general idea
< 1278393084 0 :DavidCaruso!48518d8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.81.141.141 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278393114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also how would you make one target link -lm there
< 1278393120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I never figured out a clean way
< 1278393126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, with just implicit targets
< 1278393536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uh, GNU make only, but there's a way to do per-target variables.
< 1278393570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :target: LDFLAGS += -lm
< 1278393695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah, well that puts it BEFORE the files iirc
< 1278393705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which break with -Wl,--as-needed
< 1278393708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the environment
< 1278393721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which might be an issue
< 1278393793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Argh.
< 1278393801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDLIBS is what you want.
< 1278393803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ?
< 1278393805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That goes after.
< 1278393810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDLIBS? or LIBS?
< 1278393816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDLIBS.
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< 1278393933 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1278393939 0 :DavidCaruso!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1278393940 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey folks.
< 1278393961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/BgXe It's 100% POSIX compliant cat!
< 1278393977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thank God they removed all the other options!)
< 1278394070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, fread!
< 1278394075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worries me greatly that most implementations of cat are actually complex.
< 1278394078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: NO
< 1278394084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ought to be faster
< 1278394092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's fucking CAT
< 1278394126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes I want to concatenate a dual-side dual-layer dvd image split on 1.44 MB floppies! ;P
< 1278394130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that needs a fast cat
< 1278394149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "1.44 MB floppies".
< 1278394162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that needs a cat that operates faster than the floppy drive.
< 1278394163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes?
< 1278394174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guarantee that this is orders of magnitude faster.
< 1278394182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah but already copied the floppies to disk with dd
< 1278394203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still fast enough.
< 1278394208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is to a RAM disk
< 1278394211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns a lesson
< 1278394215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaddup.
< 1278394218 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER code just for the happy case
< 1278394228 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo:  oh of course.
< 1278394230 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if, in production, the happy case will always be true
< 1278394247 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because in development, it isn't necessarily the case
< 1278394284 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo:  well, it's a balancing act. It is helpful to consider worse-case scenarios in an algirthm, but if you do it too much you waste a lot of time with boilerplate code. Sometimes you should just let it crash.
< 1278394376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find a list of utils that POSIX requires
< 1278394389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is in the POSIX standard
< 1278394396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which is free
< 1278394396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, found it
< 1278394412 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't seen error-handling in Haskell in action.
< 1278394561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It doesn't have a single handy list, but it's possible to see if something's required. Which works for me.
< 1278394585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it has a list on the side in the pdf bookmarks
< 1278394599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm.
< 1278394662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gash darnit, awk is mandatory.
< 1278394735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION says no
< 1278394746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care what it says, that's seperate from coreutils.
< 1278394842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sed it mandatory too
< 1278394880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, as is sh and vi
< 1278394922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1278394931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LALALACANTHEARYOU
< 1278394955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hey you are not ehird :P
< 1278394957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop doing that
< 1278395024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1278395034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, iirc getline() is in POSIX 2008 and suc
< 1278395036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such*
< 1278395048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the glibc people managed to get a few things in
< 1278395060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that are actually quite useful in general
< 1278395064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few useless ones too iirc
< 1278395076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1278396418 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1278396450 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this piss cheap vodka that I do not want to finish off straight. But I don't want to throw it into a shitty mixed drink either if it isn't going to waste good
< 1278396456 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does coke and vodka sound?
< 1278396719 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what
< 1278396721 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even care
< 1278396724 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coke and vodka it is.
< 1278397247 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay
< 1278397252 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for future reference
< 1278397255 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coke, vodka, chocolate syrup
< 1278398045 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278398131 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278398312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/cat is 52k. That frightens me.
< 1278398364 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do it in like 50 bytes
< 1278398405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1278398427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine's 8k with dietlibc, but then, that does include a full stdio implementation.
< 1278398448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asmutils' is 684 bytes.
< 1278398481 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@75-151-73-57-Spokane.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278398510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow: bc!
< 1278398758 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The ELF header is longer than 50 bytes :-P
< 1278398776 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh, well
< 1278398779 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was something really silly
< 1278398782 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely under 1kB
< 1278398791 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it wasn't compliant though; just straight no-option cat
< 1278398816 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 250-300 bytes is probably doable
< 1278398821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: asmutils' is *GNU* compliants.
< 1278398826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1278398828 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1278398828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compliant.
< 1278399000 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MICROCOSM
< 1278399024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ADD
< 1278399027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1278399037 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SUBTRACT
< 1278401295 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell sequence $ [[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9]]
< 1278401299 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1,4,7],[1,4,8],[1,4,9],[1,5,7],[1,5,8],[1,5,9],[1,6,7],[1,6,8],[1,6,9],[2,4,7],[2,4,8],[2,4,9],[2,5,7],[2,5,8],[2,5,9],[2,6,7],[2,6,8],[2,6,9],[3,4,7],[3,4,8],[3,4,9],[3,5,7],[3,5,8],[3,5,9],[3,6,7],[3,6,8],[3,6,9]]
< 1278401316 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... superset?
< 1278401328 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what operation am I looking at.
< 1278401373 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell sequence $ [[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9,10]]
< 1278401375 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1,4,7],[1,4,8],[1,4,9],[1,4,10],[1,5,7],[1,5,8],[1,5,9],[1,5,10],[1,6,7],[1,6,8],[1,6,9],[1,6,10],[2,4,7],[2,4,8],[2,4,9],[2,4,10],[2,5,7],[2,5,8],[2,5,9],[2,5,10],[2,6,7],[2,6,8],[2,6,9],[2,6,10],[3,4,7],[3,4,8],[3,4,9],[3,4,10],[3,5,7],[3,5,8],[3,5,9],[3,5,10],[3,6,7],[3,6,8],[3,6,9],[3,6,10]]
< 1278401381 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1278401407 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the size of each sub-list is the minimum size of the input sub-lists
< 1278401608 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason it reminds me of powerset, but it's not the same.
< 1278401656 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there's one size-4 list.... so now I have no fucking clue what sequence does on [[a]]
< 1278401676 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than a bunch of permutation-like lists
< 1278401973 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell sequence $ [[1],[2]]
< 1278401974 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1,2]]
< 1278401984 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell sequence $ [[1,2],[3,4]]
< 1278401985 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1,3],[1,4],[2,3],[2,4]]
< 1278402008 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oooooh
< 1278402018 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell sequence $ [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]
< 1278402020 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1,4],[1,5],[1,6],[2,4],[2,5],[2,6],[3,4],[3,5],[3,6]]
< 1278402028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Speaking of small executables, I have a 253-byte stub (inc. ELF headers + code) for x86-32 which does (with direct syscalls) fork+exec /bin/bzcat, feeds it a blob, reads it to rwx segment and jumps into it.
< 1278402102 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (I use it for compressed executables, since UPX's compression ratio isn't so awesome and its decompression stub is larger; while the "traditional" trick of making a shellscript that decompresses into /tmp/x and runs it is so ugly.)
< 1278402194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (Anyhow, I'm sure you can get a "doesn't look at argv, just read+write loop" cat into the 100-150 byte range. My headers are 72 bytes, and you can stick 9 bytes of code into the padding in the middle anyway.)
< 1278402346 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically
< 1278402365 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence is non-deterministic for [[a]]
< 1278402384 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, what?
< 1278402390 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every Haskell function is deterministic
< 1278402433 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each sublist in the output becomes a non-deterministic value of a new non-deterministic sequence... represented determinnistically as a [[a]]
< 1278402442 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro:  simulated, of course. I use non-deterministic loosely.
< 1278402458 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/output/input
< 1278402467 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this non-deterministic at all?
< 1278402476 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... here's what I'm saying
< 1278402506 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say the input to the sequencefunction  is a sequence x(n)
< 1278402511 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the output is y(n)
< 1278402541 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y(n) = [x(1), x(2), x(3), x(4) ...]
< 1278402577 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell sequence $ [[1,2],[3,4],[5,6]]
< 1278402579 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1,3,5],[1,3,6],[1,4,5],[1,4,6],[2,3,5],[2,3,6],[2,4,5],[2,4,6]]
< 1278402604 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should start at zero, acutally. So that's
< 1278402614 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x(0), x(1), x(2)]
< 1278402682 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x(0) = 1 or 2; x(1) = 3 or 4; x(2) = 5 or 6
< 1278402744 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a simulation of a non-determinstic sequence that constructs every possible deterministic sequence that it represents.
< 1278402755 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm making any sense.
< 1278402944 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell do {nd_list <- sequence [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]; nd_list}
< 1278402946 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,4,1,5,1,6,2,4,2,5,2,6,3,4,3,5,3,6]
< 1278402959 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that flattens it.
< 1278402978 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :join $ sequence [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]
< 1278402986 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell join $ sequence [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]
< 1278402993 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t join
< 1278403001 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :o
< 1278403007 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it broke.
< 1278403024 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t join
< 1278403035 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:52:11]	<CakeProphet>	I don't think I'm making any sense. <-- this
< 1278403045 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha.
< 1278403070 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically how the monadic operations of [] a represent non-determinism
< 1278403089 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence takes one representation and flips it around in a way.
< 1278403187 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of having a list where each sub-list is a non-deterministic value
< 1278403199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1278403200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278403217 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you now have a list where each sub-list is a possible determinized list.
< 1278403249 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the original non-deterministic sequence
< 1278403258 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1278403265 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking English
< 1278403282 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language makes technical things hard to explain.
< 1278403291 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was thinking of "completely ordinary" executables, not using parts of the ELF header for code. :-)
< 1278403306 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But everyone's doing that!
< 1278403306 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But I did misremember that the headers were around 120 bytes or so.
< 1278403472 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell do {x <- [1..9]; return $ [x, x+1, x+2]}
< 1278403473 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1,2,3],[2,3,4],[3,4,5],[4,5,6],[5,6,7],[6,7,8],[7,8,9],[8,9,10],[9,10,11]]
< 1278403501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: They're about that size if you have more than one segment, which you will in a "completely ordinary" executable (one read-write for data, one read-executable for code).
< 1278403515 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell do {x <- [1..9]; [x, x+1, x+2]}
< 1278403516 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,3,2,3,4,3,4,5,4,5,6,5,6,7,6,7,8,7,8,9,8,9,10,9,10,11]
< 1278403535 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (Also mine would be 80 bytes already, I just interlaced the last 8 bytes of the file header with the first 8 of the segment header.)
< 1278403535 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you probably don't need a non-code segment for cat
< 1278403538 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm....
< 1278403544 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just got an idea
< 1278403562 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you newtype'd list
< 1278403575 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could implement a monad for digital signal processing that makes things like delay-lines easy to do.
< 1278403600 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, well not newtype actually
< 1278403627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well:
< 1278403628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas@pc112:/users/htkallas/tmp$ nasm -Ox -o cat -f bin cat.asm ; chmod u+x cat
< 1278403628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas@pc112:/users/htkallas/tmp$ echo 'foo, bar, baz' | ./cat
< 1278403628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo, bar, baz
< 1278403628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas@pc112:/users/htkallas/tmp$ ls -l cat
< 1278403628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxrw-r-- 1 htkallas htkallas 110 2010-07-06 10:06 cat*
< 1278403669 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { (dval, x) <- signalWithDelay 3 [1..]; return $ dval+x}
< 1278403694 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Doesn't take arguments, I take it :-)
< 1278403696 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh, wtf am I saying. You don't even need to define a new type.
< 1278403717 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right. Haven't tested it much either, might have bugs. Might also be a bit overly pessimistic as to whether a syscall's argument registers stay intact; I think they might, which would save some bytes.
< 1278403723 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking POSIX-compatible
< 1278403727 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signalWithDelay :: [a] -> [(Maybe a,a)]
< 1278403732 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signalWithDelay :: Int -> [a] -> [(Maybe a,a)]
< 1278403754 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think that's guaranteed anywhere, but I'm not sure.
< 1278403783 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signalWithDelay :: Int -> Int -> [a] -> [([Maybe a],a)]
< 1278403804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Somebody claimed it was, and the syscall handling seemed to suggest they were, but I didn't see it exactly spelled out in the docs anywhere. The syscall number is lost, at least, since that's the return value register.
< 1278403808 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first int is distance back, second int is size of the delay line.
< 1278403905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some architectures clobber the syscall argument registers, according to some glibc bug report I found when googling for whether x86-32 does.
< 1278403941 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delayedSignalWithDefault :: Int -> Int -> Int -> [([a],a)]
< 1278403949 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get rid of the Maybe.
< 1278403975 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delayedSignalWithDefault :: a -> Int -> Int -> [([a],a)]
< 1278403976 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1278404226 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1278404277 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think there would be any real harm in making tuple types a superset of all algebraic data types with a single constructor that fits the tuple?
< 1278404309 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data List = Cons a [a] | Empty
< 1278404344 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list = Cons 0 $ Cons 1 $ Cons 2 $ Cons 3
< 1278404362 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x, xs) = list
< 1278404384 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, you just described Haskell lists
< 1278404394 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what I'm saying
< 1278404408 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any reason to make tuples distinct from named algebraic constructors.
< 1278404420 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1278404437 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why couldn't tuples simply represent /any/ constructor for pattern matching?
< 1278404450 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any constructor that matches, that is.
< 1278404458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 101 bytes if I assume the regs are saved, and it seems to work.
< 1278404465 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example
< 1278404487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Of course it may work, but that doesn't mean it's ABI-guaranteed :-)
< 1278404495 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a value of type (a, [a]) would contain the set of [a] values constructed via (:)
< 1278404526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: There were some .pdf slidesets that seemed to suggest it was. :p
< 1278404553 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a value of type (a, [a]) would not include values of type [a] constructed from []
< 1278404560 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does not match.
< 1278404603 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] values constructed from [] could be type ()
< 1278404650 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://sprunge.us/LhDM if you want to see them codes.
< 1278404676 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1278404702 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of writing functions that operate on specific named types of specific typeclasses
< 1278404724 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could instead write functions that operate on any algebraic data structure  constructed with a certain signature
< 1278404747 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*named types /or/ specific typeclasses
< 1278404846 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would almost be a sort of weak typing
< 1278404858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I note no error checking
< 1278404868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Where's your buffer size?
< 1278404891 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under that typing system, (1,(2,(3,()))) would be equivalent to [1,2,3] as well as any other algebraic value constructed the same way.
< 1278404919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's the same as the buffer's address. You know, to save bytes.
< 1278404930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (That's why I loaded the program to a reasonably low address.)
< 1278404934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1278404947 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:  ha.
< 1278404960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there *is* error checking of sorts; if the read fails, it'll exit.
< 1278404968 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the write fails, though, then it won't bother.
< 1278404968 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if the address was 1 billion base 10. :)
< 1278404991 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with the correct error code?
< 1278405013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, of course not. That would mean I'd have to distinguish between errors and end-of-file.
< 1278405034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly :-)
< 1278405048 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your cat is but a poor approximation of a cat
< 1278405069 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can possibly add a "sets bl" into some proper spot to get return code 0 of the program when it hits EOF, and 1 when an error occurs.
< 1278405092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst part of the cat is that it won't read files specified as arguments, admittedly.
< 1278405149 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, write may write less than it's given; you need to loop it until it's done
< 1278405158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nah."
< 1278405181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick to GNU cat; it may be bloated but at least it works!
< 1278405205 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] :: (), EOF :: (), () :: ()
< 1278405250 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] :: [a], EOF :: ExampleStreamType a, () :: ()
< 1278405287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The decompression stub I have now writes the whole compressed code into a FIFO before starting to read from bzcat; it works because Linux's pipe buffers are 64k nowadays. I used to have three processes (one child to exec bzcat, one child to loop-write bytes into its stdin, the parent to read until EOF and then run the code) but that took far too many bytes; to get it under 256 bytes I had to cut some corners.
< 1278405336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackety-hack
< 1278405372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another "nice" trick: I put bzcat's argv list at the very end of the program, because that way I don't need to explicitly put the terminating NULL pointer in the file, since what's after the program is zero-initialized data already.
< 1278405475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lunchtime.)
< 1278405488 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like breakfast time
< 1278406154 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah... sockets in Haskell are not very well documented
< 1278406246 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/repealing-unnecessary-laws/repeal-the-2nd-law-of-thermodynamics-1
< 1278407075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I almost never manage to do any breakfast at home, so I have to do a 10:30 lunch here.
< 1278407103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breakfast is the most important meal of the day etc
< 1278407317 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's call what I just ate a "breakfast", then.
< 1278407328 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1278407389 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-228.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278408029 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278408121 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1278408396 0 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278408447 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:32ae::1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278409639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278409652 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278410007 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1278410499 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1278410633 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278412524 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278413365 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278413375 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278413822 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278414732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1278414734 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278414744 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278415312 0 :DH____!~DHeadshot@cpc2-woki2-0-0-cust667.glfd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278415478 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I program a little better after being drunk
< 1278415482 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not while drunk
< 1278415486 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after I have sobered up
< 1278416154 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278416639 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are o(klopol|erian)
< 1278417058 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278417300 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278417567 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1278417569 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1278417761 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278417761 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-15-173.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278417953 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1278417954 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1278418480 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278418535 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-15-173.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278421836 0 :maxman!~chatzilla@84-74-130-245.dclient.hispeed.ch JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278421901 0 :elliottcable!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Paws
< 1278421911 0 :Paws!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliottcable
< 1278421921 0 :maxman!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1278423412 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1278425490 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278426120 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sorry for disappearing, my battery was depleted
< 1278426282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, hm lets see
< 1278426303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> nooga, wtf is http://plfoto.com/zdjecie,inne,wkrotce-bal-sie-tutaj-rozpocznie,1549252.html ? Some sort of post-apocalypse world?
< 1278426307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> nooga, and tell your dad I think your images are awesome. And I love HDR.
< 1278426311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, ^
< 1278426992 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278427292 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1278427301 0 :lifthrasiir!EAyN3mHl@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278427323 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not post-apocalypse but post-soviet :D
< 1278427461 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://keygenjukebox.com
< 1278427463 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://keygenjukebox.com
< 1278427463 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://keygenjukebox.com
< 1278427471 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: hahah
< 1278427474 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's the same.
< 1278427510 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :f
< 1278427592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm wow. Any of you have a classical PC keyboard nearby. Not low profile that is. And a rubber band.
< 1278427592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put the rubber band around ESC-F12, wait while it slides up the keys... Try to predict which way it flies.
< 1278427609 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like soviets took polish manors and turned them into big farms & stuff and then left
< 1278427626 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are some ruined places like this
< 1278427801 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no.
< 1278427801 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1278427825 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's not like they weren't pigstalls before the russians came
< 1278427856 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278427879 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon?
< 1278427943 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the royals getting drunk and high all the time for the money they got from traders for selling off their influence
< 1278427969 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only have so many drunken parties in a nice place before it turns into a crackhouse
< 1278427996 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cutr.pl/5ec68700f0
< 1278428056 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1278428156 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you truly think if the polish gave a shit about their country this stuff would like that *today*?
< 1278428174 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 years after overthrowing the soviet regime?
< 1278428213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater99> AnMaster: no. <-- ?
< 1278428240 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i refuse to be a slave executing your rubberband schemes.
< 1278428254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, XD
< 1278428288 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :><D
< 1278428599 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1278429565 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1278429764 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278429956 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-228.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278430568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, someone found an XSS bug in Youtube comments (now fixed)
< 1278430584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the string that broke them was <script><script> without closing either tag
< 1278430641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 4chan spammed it all over everything
< 1278430666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably /b/
< 1278430752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1278430785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty concerned that XSS still exists nowadays; you'd think that preventing HTML injection would be just as easy as preventing SQL injection
< 1278430792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to allow HTML-alike formatting, use a whitelist
< 1278430798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1278430798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, loads of people get this wrong, but Google?
< 1278430808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed wtf
< 1278430822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 maybe it broke their html parser?
< 1278430838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1278431213 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278431312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) youtube is only nominally google and b) google's schtick is casting the *illusion* of being filled with smart, competent people, not actually *having* them
< 1278431877 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278432316 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't just check. Parse and reconstruct.
< 1278434199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1278434248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278434889 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1278439262 0 :Nephilim!~oliver@212.183.140.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278439335 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello sweeties
< 1278439417 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278439427 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1278439462 0 :Nephilim!~oliver@212.183.140.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278439475 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1278439655 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweeties
< 1278439656 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1278439666 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not your sweetie, cupcake.
< 1278439697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Nephilim
< 1278439701 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo
< 1278439702 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not your cupcake, sweetheart
< 1278439705 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1278439711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not your sweetheart, sugar
< 1278439711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you're being weirder than normal today...
< 1278439719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything interesting esolanging-wise going on?
< 1278439724 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never!
< 1278439735 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i do have a wonderful way of understand Huet's zippers
< 1278439737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if you've managed to come up with the next Feather and have gone insane as a result
< 1278439752 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im considering a nice, pen-and-paper animation to explain it
< 1278439765 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi augu
< 1278439776 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Nephili
< 1278439777 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry augur!
< 1278439782 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1278439793 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned im sleep deprived
< 1278439811 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1278439831 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why that?
< 1278439889 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1278439891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1278439898 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i were anything else, you could ask me the same question!
< 1278439908 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, toss a coin
< 1278439909 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we are
< 1278439914 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523!
< 1278439932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: technically speaking, I'm probably sleep-deprived too
< 1278439945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I tend to be more coherent than you under such circumstances
< 1278439954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get exasperated more easily
< 1278439963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nephilim: what brings you here?
< 1278439982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hell0o
< 1278439984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello*
< 1278440011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming you're new rather than a regular here, because I can only think of one regular who uses Colloquy and their whois info wouldn't look like that)
< 1278440017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hi
< 1278440096 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just trying colloquy for the first time and this room just looked like my cup of tea. Just on the train home from work to be honest.
< 1278440125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nephilim you know it is about esoteric programming?
< 1278440125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1278440127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not esoterica
< 1278440144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: esoprogramming is probably more popular
< 1278440148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1278440151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least among people who are vaguely likely to use Freenode
< 1278440156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nephilim your nick. It reminds me of some old game
< 1278440159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember which
< 1278440164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a M:tG reference
< 1278440170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something I played back on my old classic mac
< 1278440173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know, they coined the word in the first place
< 1278440179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, M:tG?
< 1278440184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Gathering
< 1278440186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, Avernum
< 1278440187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1278440196 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from the Hebrew Bible
< 1278440197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do sometimes borrow words from other sources, though
< 1278440197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of cat-humanoid race in the avernum game
< 1278440199 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
< 1278440201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ah
< 1278440223 0 :Nephilim!~oliver@212.183.140.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278440231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1278440243 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1278440278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :train must be going through a tunnel or something
< 1278440285 0 :Nephilim!~oliver@212.183.140.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278440288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or he or she's holding it on the bottom left corner
< 1278440299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1278440326 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1278440327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so I have about 500 MB of raw files here
< 1278440347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one HDR panorama
< 1278440348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: raw as in the image unformat?
< 1278440363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, raw as in *.MRW from camera yes
< 1278440373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(minolta raw format)
< 1278440378 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278440394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to extract all the data from it
< 1278440425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's not often Apple give us such a perfect meme to make fun of them with, even if it's an unfair one
< 1278440440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1278440460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't think I can batch convert these raw images though
< 1278440463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1278440479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if I want to extract the most from the over exposed sky
< 1278440481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food
< 1278440482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ImageMagick (or your favourite fork of it) probably can
< 1278440491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, in terms of transforming them into a more standard format
< 1278440497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, duh I need ufraw to convert it, and there is ufraw-batch
< 1278440502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I would use
< 1278440506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't a technical reason
< 1278440513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was trying to extract most from the sky
< 1278440525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will need some manual exposure compensation fiddling
< 1278440549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl really
< 1278440753 0 :Nephilim!~oliver@212.183.140.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278440976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb Nephilim
< 1278441000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did I see you otherwhere? How come? (I guess I technically should ask on that other channel, but somehow I feel more comfortable talking here.)
< 1278441031 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1278441105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is an odd channel that way
< 1278441218 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... 8 POV-Rays running in parallel (this is what you get for well-paralelizable problems).
< 1278441473 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raytracing is extremely well-paralelizable
< 1278441476 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is good
< 1278441517 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I render 8 frames of animation at a time...
< 1278441703 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278441735 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've got 8 cores, why not
< 1278441737 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278441837 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that individual frames are heavy... But there's lots of them (tens of thoursands).
< 1278441851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An embarrassingly parallel problem.
< 1278441889 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you rendering?
< 1278441892 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use POV-Ray internal animation features but feed scenes to render from Lua script.
< 1278442002 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scene data is adapted from one game and motion data from one of my runs of said game. So in essence it is that run from 1st person POV.
< 1278442055 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278442065 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game?
< 1278442095 0 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278442149 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skyroads.
< 1278442286 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1278442293 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're raytracing skyroads
< 1278442295 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1278442308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the scenes won't be overly complicated then.
< 1278442320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what other channel?
< 1278442354 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you manage to get the scene and motion data from the game?
< 1278442371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp, what is skyroads?
< 1278442375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what genre
< 1278442381 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Dumped from game memory.
< 1278442418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Arcadey thing; see http://www.bluemoon.ee/history/skyroads/
< 1278442442 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtd
< 1278442443 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly
< 1278442443 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1278442468 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used arrays for that?
< 1278442503 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, to get the motion data, one has to read the memory once per frame.
< 1278442524 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@m-178.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278442526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And the channel is... uh, well, it's named after a room in the CS building of our university.
< 1278442535 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to see ready animation
< 1278442585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp: Are you putting the low-resolution Skyroads background planets-and-stars-and-such images in, too?-)
< 1278442588 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimated length of finished animation: About 13 minutes 20 seconds.
< 1278442598 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Not yet at least.
< 1278442617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what about the "starship"? That's a sprite "in reality", I guess.
< 1278442624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION freaking loves Duff's Device coroutines
< 1278442642 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The POV is such that it isn't visible.
< 1278442666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, that makes sense.
< 1278442759 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1278442767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1278442807 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
< 1278442811 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that run presents total breaking of the game (I have the corresponding data from Skyroads Xmas special as well (okay, who was the sadist who designed levels there?)).
< 1278442838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1278442840 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp, several times, when I have mentioned my.. food issues to people, they have asked if I like pizza
< 1278442845 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278442863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's more lifey than the channel of our department
< 1278442963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the departmental channel must be pretty dead, then.
< 1278443010 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a single-digit amount of users and half of them aren't actually in the department (though they used to be)
< 1278443016 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1278443031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, on freenode?
< 1278443044 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, IRCnet.
< 1278443053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh
< 1278443059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Well, I guess at least half of the people on "that channel" aren't in the particular room, either.
< 1278443159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly it's not quite as quiet usually as it is now; must be all those people on their vacations.)
< 1278443226 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The amount of lines said during the time I've been there outnumbers what's been said on the other during the past few months or so
< 1278443320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters
< 1278443355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 732 lines said during the month of June, according to my log.
< 1278443361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why, I'm not sure how, but I do believe that this sucker is being annoying as heck.
< 1278443399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS RETURN SEGFAULTING D':
< 1278443403 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's probably more than's been said on the other channel in the few years I've been there
< 1278443430 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now rendering Into The Sun Road 1...
< 1278443507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp: Are you going to keep talking about this? Because I'm going to have to start playing it if you are. (I guess it would work all right in dosbox.)
< 1278443610 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would work in DosBox. But as warning, its pretty hard (even the non-Xmas version).
< 1278443627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've played through all the levels before; I know what it's like.
< 1278443630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the regular one.
< 1278443638 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Xmas Special I haven't.
< 1278443660 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xmas special has levels that seem impossible.
< 1278443669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've heard.
< 1278443695 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of them is actually impossible...
< 1278443744 0 :elliottcable!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coolSTER
< 1278443745 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I wouldn't think they'd release something they themselves couldn't do at least once.
< 1278443782 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they used the demo feature to "do" them. There are levels that seem to require almost frame-perfect timing.
< 1278443875 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fair amount of those levels have unintended routes.
< 1278443934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp, can you show some frames of this animation
< 1278443938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember spending quite many attempts in some of the levels of the original game, too.
< 1278443997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278444070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Road 1 of The Earth, at least.
< 1278444072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater99> where are o(klopol|erian) <-- YOU WILL NEVER KNOW
< 1278444129 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Earth Road 3 was one of the hardest in original game. Now do it in under 30 seconds. :-)
< 1278444143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1 GB image data... (*.MRW + 8-bit tiff, too much for me to be able to pull off 16-bit on my systems)
< 1278444144 0 :coolSTER!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliottcable
< 1278444150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too heavy for that
< 1278444223 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IT HATES YOU
< 1278444244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp: given the subject of conversation and past context, I'm now vaguely wondering if it works on JPCRR
< 1278444257 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, swfroads is fun
< 1278444312 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-4-32.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278444359 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Google 'skyroads speedrun'. :-)
< 1278444375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp: speedrun rather than tas?
< 1278444390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, first result /is/ a tas
< 1278444404 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never seen non-TAS speedrun of it.
< 1278444437 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1278444491 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1278444517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, JPCRR?
< 1278444527 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Rerecording X86 emulator.
< 1278444539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re-recording?
< 1278444544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf does that mean
< 1278444590 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWFroads seems to handle very differently from the original.
< 1278444593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it means that it records everything you do, and if you go back to a savestate, it edits the recording accordingly
< 1278444612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, at the end you get one single recording with all your loadstating edited out
< 1278444623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mhm
< 1278444635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cheating?
< 1278444648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1278444683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :52 god damn images -_-
< 1278444731 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But then, everything depicted is really possible in the game.
< 1278444741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1278444745 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp: Is that first-hit youtube thing yours, by any chance?
< 1278444748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but inhuman to manage to pull off
< 1278444772 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is.
< 1278444780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp, anyway I want to see some frames from this animation
< 1278444788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what does antrcomp stand for
< 1278444798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Another computer" would be my guess.
< 1278444801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1278444808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ant r computer
< 1278444872 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a computer made out of ants.
< 1278444905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like toys r us? ants r computers?
< 1278444918 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1278444931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1278444948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anterior computer.
< 1278444949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The curious thing is that when I google for "JPCRR", the first hit is a Git repository, and the "owner" field has a name that matches to a person who was on the same class as I in high school, and the three previous grades.
< 1278444957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, -_-
< 1278444971 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's the universe doing that THAT it does, again.
< 1278444995 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I meant to type THING there, but what I did type is almost better.
< 1278445010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's the THAT.
< 1278445011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about the logic of it
< 1278445022 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imagebin.ca/view/wTPovq.html
< 1278445061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, no antialiasing?
< 1278445095 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup (as this is still testing).
< 1278445114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp, aww
< 1278445405 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278445412 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final renders would be with much larger resolution + AA turned on.
< 1278445430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/TENK I present: cal!
< 1278445432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1278445433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1278445454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/YJVa Really!
< 1278445495 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you are wondering if that pink in that image is burning surface... Yes it is.
< 1278445570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should clean a few things up there though
< 1278445695 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make the burning floors glow pink a bit, and the fuel-filling ones glow blue. Nothing ostentatious, just something subtly visible.
< 1278445759 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking making burning floors bit lava-like, fuel-filling ones glow, slippery ones look icy, and boost and sticky to have arrows. :-)
< 1278445897 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, that Asteroid Belt 3 fuel thing.
< 1278445901 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW: If one wanted to make skaizoroads, one could play with palette mapping entries (there are 71 per level) concerning burning blocks...
< 1278445982 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its possible jump to that hole without slowing down (other than from banging the ship a bit).
< 1278446049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I ran out of fuel in that level quite many times; it's not exactly obvious it refills fuel there.
< 1278446234 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only level where I have managed to run out of fuel without missing fuel pad: Druidia Road 1.
< 1278446325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you consider skyroads a racer or a platformer?
< 1278446338 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, its bit of both.
< 1278446354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1278446359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just finished watching your TAS
< 1278446386 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is City Connection a racer or a platformer? :)
< 1278446412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you could arguably even call Enigma a platformer, although it's primarily a puzzle game
< 1278446413 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that can be improved by over 2.5 seconds...
< 1278446417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the levels are rather platformish
< 1278446528 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can do enigma level such that its easily possible to show from level program that it is possible to solve with solution of practical length, but still remain infeasible to solve.
< 1278446570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp: well, of course
< 1278446584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't make for a very good puzzle
< 1278446630 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infeasible to solve => Practically can not be solved.
< 1278446652 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that Sokoban might not allow such levels...
< 1278446783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION introduced a bug, is now upset
< 1278446785 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1278446817 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level that is really expander graph that gets partially swapped out? :-)
< 1278446832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thare
< 1278446863 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or level that edits the invisible parts? :-)
< 1278446888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp: Sokoban is PSPACE-complete, and Turing-complete if generalised to infinite puzzles
< 1278446933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/RWaI
< 1278446935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments
< 1278446936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1278446942 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278447082 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those kind of levels are related to construct that it is possible to obustificate what triggers something in program (including obustificating what it triggers).
< 1278447118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently nobody looks at my code ever. :P
< 1278447164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278447698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, of course, except when it is in microcosm!
< 1278447979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hah.
< 1278448316 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1278449225 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1278449394 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How do you define Sokoban's inputs and outputs?
< 1278449420 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: coroutine.h?
< 1278449460 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1278449475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/coroutine.h
< 1278449509 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
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< 1278449527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just coroutines with switches.
< 1278449543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe me, it's better this way.
< 1278450599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets tempted to reimplement inflate.
< 1278450607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I knew why.
< 1278450675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inflated ego, clearly.
< 1278450703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly.
< 1278452326 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-11-252.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278452448 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1278452564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inflate?
< 1278452572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, as in decompressed for deflate?
< 1278452873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes.
< 1278453033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why not reimplate deflate
< 1278453048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is hard.
< 1278453050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about it.
< 1278453084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes true
< 1278453084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reimplate deflement
< 1278453101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reimplement*
< 1278453105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1278453142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whacks AnMaster's joke detector to see if it improves
< 1278453184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's joke detector starts humming and the emits a huge amount of black smoke
< 1278453202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KABOM!
< 1278453216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re-impale deflagrations.
< 1278453219 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that's an improvement.
< 1278453319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flagrant impalas re-rioting
< 1278453390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reconfigure fragrant imports.
< 1278453540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conifer import grant figures
< 1278453706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reconnaissance implies grafted sporks.
< 1278453874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ork spies reconnect imp graph liaisons
< 1278454160 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leprechaun futures: investment returns guaranteed.
< 1278454179 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278454240 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a kind of expressions that has the flexibility of a stack-based language but isn't stack-based?
< 1278454337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leopard furs invert gargantuan crutches
< 1278454701 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense! as usual...
< 1278454769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factorial nonsense.
< 1278454794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oerjan: how were you making those up?
< 1278454873 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about oerjan, but I used this brain thing.
< 1278455051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1278455164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO BRAIN HERE
< 1278455297 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah right, as if
< 1278455321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, and so
< 1278455357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twas ever thus
< 1278455365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The famous "as if" rule says I don't actually have to have a brain, as long as I produce text that looks "as if" it was generated with one.
< 1278455394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i only had a brain
< 1278455443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had half a brain, you'd be missing the other half.
< 1278455637 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278455637 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host
< 1278455637 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278455652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you got hold of that half, you'd be too clever by half.
< 1278455953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1278456097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've half a mind to go asleep.
< 1278456188 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278456266 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278456296 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.248.73 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278456300 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi.
< 1278456331 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the light on. Not visible from outside, comfier on inside. Logical...
< 1278456764 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1278457097 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info
< 1278457158 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.81 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278457172 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Your cal(1)... sucks. >_>
< 1278457246 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, do you really, REALLY need a fake coroutine there? Secondly, for all those pages of code, you don't handle September 1752 (even old Unix did this).
< 1278457258 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't even handle
< 1278457397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey 1752 is an english-centered thing
< 1278457453 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if it was locale-sensitive and gave the right answer for the period of time when different countries were using old/new calendars
< 1278457463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Believe me, it gets *ugly* without the coroutine thing.
< 1278457480 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1278457499 0 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-52-193.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1278457505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, look at *any other implementation*.
< 1278457506 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, not really... just complicated... but excessive attention to detail is somewhat amusing in a way)
< 1278457506 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I won't believe you: I have read Plan 9's cal(1).
< 1278457519 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not use coroutines.
< 1278457531 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1278457542 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Locale-sensitivity is /hard/.
< 1278457559 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not getting paid it's a lot less enraging to just ignore it...
< 1278457571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Locale-sensitivity is why libc is several megs.
< 1278457575 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that would be the point - making it locale sensitive just to make it harder
< 1278457589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is to not be painful.
< 1278457591 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it harder to display dates from more than 200 years ago
< 1278457606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Good point on the Julian dates thing though.
< 1278457621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda violates POSIX to not support the Julian calendar.
< 1278457625 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, supporting "cal sep 1752" is Unix tradition.
< 1278457660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No requirements to support month names or abbreviations.
< 1278457669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do I have the inclination to.
< 1278457674 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The British calendar act of 1751 / declared twelve days of the following year / would not exist" —Make Believe, "Political Mysticism"
< 1278457707 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can I offer the god of usability and convenience to replace yours of POSIX compliance?
< 1278457745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: I'm only giving credence to POSIX when it's not unreasonable.
< 1278457772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa-bility is just an american plot anyhow
< 1278457799 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Try 'cal sep 1752'." (or similar) —some very old Unix manpage.
< 1278457813 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't break that!
< 1278457827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU already did.
< 1278457828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1278457832 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Month names and abbreviations! Three lines of code! Yay!
< 1278457843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, GNU cal doesn't support it.
< 1278457850 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And these are the guys who made a bloated hello world.
< 1278457859 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Support what?
< 1278457863 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Month names?
< 1278457869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1278457881 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... Fuck GNU.
< 1278457931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: "Try 'cal sep 1752'." isn't UNIX, it's Plan 9.
< 1278457951 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone:  BOOM SHAKA BOOM SHAKA
< 1278457960 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read Plan 9's cal source.
< 1278457969 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou shalt be HUMBLED!
< 1278457971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to find it!
< 1278457984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thar
< 1278457987 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plan9port one will dp!
< 1278457991 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do!
< 1278457999 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Link me too, please?
< 1278458011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: http://cm.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/cal.c
< 1278458082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... Not calling that "readable".
< 1278458129 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? The B functions?
< 1278458134 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just printf.
< 1278458147 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The performance hacks like the switch suck, yeah.
< 1278458171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, that one is broken too
< 1278458176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English specific
< 1278458186 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're late to the party.
< 1278458187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the means it uses for printing out a complete year. I... Don't get it.
< 1278458198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in sv_SE Monday comes first in the week
< 1278458205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Sunday
< 1278458209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rather broken yeah
< 1278458210 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already covered; go suck Swedrn's cock.
< 1278458210 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /* you are not expected to understand this */
< 1278458214 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sweden
< 1278458221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, and you go suck iphone
< 1278458247 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hellooo, using an iPhone because I'm IN A FUCKING INSTITUTION
< 1278458262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, yes and you can stop being rude towards me
< 1278458291 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. I'd say that you in turn could stop being idiotic, but that would be a lie.
< 1278458305 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: True, I thought the code was better.
< 1278458318 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Guess I'll have to write my own cal(1).
< 1278458359 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah
< 1278458367 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It prints a year in 3 columns
< 1278458372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1278458374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does mine.
< 1278458378 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus += 3, 72*x
< 1278458396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	if(y > 1752)
< 1278458396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		d += 3;
< 1278458397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail
< 1278458401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again locale specific
< 1278458415 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: SHUT
< 1278458418 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FUCK
< 1278458421 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UP
< 1278458421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "The cal utility shall write a calendar to standard output using the Julian calendar for dates from January 1, 1 through September 2, 1752 and the Gregorian calendar for dates from September 14, 1752 through December 31, 9999 as though the Gregorian calendar had been adopted on September 14, 1752."
< 1278458423 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABOUT
< 1278458426 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOCALES
< 1278458436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, I don't plan to
< 1278458440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so? POSIX fails too
< 1278458446 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1278458455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dude, locales are PAIN AND AGONY.
< 1278458473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd take, like AliseOS to make them not painful.
< 1278458491 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I set my locale to "The Region of Thud", do I get a Discordian calendar?
< 1278458504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: If you add that as a locale: yes.
< 1278458511 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Guess what: we don't give a flying fuck about Sweden. At least not while we're writing coreutils for our OWN USE.
< 1278458513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes everyone should just use the Swedish locale
< 1278458529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, well why didn't you say that it was for your own use
< 1278458531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1278458551 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Little thing known as
< 1278458554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half the point here is to be clean and readable. Half the point is to suck less than other coreutils.
< 1278458558 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fucking obcious"
< 1278458561 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obvious
< 1278458570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another half of the point is to be better than busybox.
< 1278458575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, you could spell check before you hit enter/send/whatever
< 1278458577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1278458605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, correctness > completeness > simplicity, IMO
< 1278458616 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Here's your iPhone keyboard. Here's your week-long stay in a mental institution. ENJOY!
< 1278458619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed come after all of those
< 1278458633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, so move abroad
< 1278458635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It is perfectly correct to only support the C locale.
< 1278458653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not complete though
< 1278458662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you want a coreutils that supports more than that? Okay, fine. Here's GNU coreutils. Notice how it MAKES YOU CLAW YOUR EYES OUT.
< 1278458667 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ok: plan a move to UK while having only a computer, two days a week.
< 1278458671 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that?
< 1278458674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it doesn't
< 1278458675 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't?
< 1278458683 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you fuckibg fail at life.
< 1278458685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, your parents could?
< 1278458690 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go eat shit and die.
< 1278458713 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ParenT. The other rabidly supports the unit & divorced.
< 1278458720 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And guess what?
< 1278458722 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOVING
< 1278458722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1278458724 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS
< 1278458725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Read Coreutils source some time.
< 1278458726 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REALLY
< 1278458728 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING
< 1278458731 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HARD.
< 1278458733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for caps
< 1278458734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll hold the trash can while you vomit.
< 1278458768 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'd like to see /you/ this close to the edge.
< 1278458775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have read coreutils cat
< 1278458780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it could need cleaning up
< 1278458807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but for me who don't live in an English speaking country, supporting locales is actually something important
< 1278458818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may not get that
< 1278458844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, and you're free to use a coreutils that doesn't have simplicity as a major goal.
< 1278458858 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world speaks English.
< 1278458881 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day, the other languages will be extinct. Guaranteed by now.
< 1278458886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do get that: you realise that I'm obsessed with supporting that correctly to the point of having a goal of making my system have the fonts for every single Unicode codepoint?
< 1278458914 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1278458915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's fucking hard.)
< 1278458920 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: the world spoke latin
< 1278458936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: No, just major portions of the Roman empire.
< 1278458938 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: Not the world.
< 1278458943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And former portions.
< 1278458950 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we weren't so ... Us, then.
< 1278458954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, these were in times when travel could take several weeks.
< 1278458963 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, anyone can publish their own novel online.
< 1278458968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes the spread of Latin all the more impressive.
< 1278458968 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Communication is instant.
< 1278458982 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is being written unimaginably rapidly.
< 1278458994 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will evolve: but other languages are doomed.
< 1278459082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: I wouldn't say English is the inevitable victor. However, so long as society doesn't completely and utterly fall apart, there will almost certainly end up being but one language in use for, oh, 99% of the world.
< 1278459131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(minority languages can be *absurdly* tenacious if attached to something of cultural importance, like a religion.)
< 1278459137 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's predicted that something like English, French, Spanish and Mandarin will be almost the only tongues left in like 400 years, isn't it?
< 1278459165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If current trends continue, seems quite possible.
< 1278459199 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandarin is spoken by a lot of people but internationally. Out of the remaining ones, only English is used internationally in a large capacity.
< 1278459203 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1278459216 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but not internationally
< 1278459251 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can you pass a computed goto to a function?
< 1278459271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Very likely to break stuff, but yes.
< 1278459277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computed goto is just a void*.
< 1278459297 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the function couldn't really goto it? Darn.
< 1278459309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could, but consider the stack frame.;
< 1278459363 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrogant anglophones <_<
< 1278459406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: Lingua franca bitch.
< 1278459410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, bitstream <whatever>?
< 1278459421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did't it support every codepoint
< 1278459426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... No.
< 1278459436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even support commonly used CJK.
< 1278459442 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone:  sex with trees.
< 1278459444 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: I don't "like" it.
< 1278459446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bitstream vera
< 1278459454 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :micahjohnston: I just think it's likely.
< 1278459455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I meant bitstream cyberbit or whatever it was called
< 1278459457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyberbit.
< 1278459461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1278459463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one
< 1278459468 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: HOW DO YOU KNOW MY SECRET?
< 1278459469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. Right. That supports *commonly used* CJK...
< 1278459483 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone:  as you can see by my demostration of travel into the past. My time machine is flawless.
< 1278459484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, didn't it have pretty much every unicode codepoint?
< 1278459485 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Gentium does a lot of languages.
< 1278459490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handles a mere 32,000 glyphs.
< 1278459498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, still more than most
< 1278459501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: I WANT ALL OF THEM
< 1278459515 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let's make it, then.
< 1278459525 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could learn about typography. :P
< 1278459536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: CJK is the hard bit.
< 1278459539 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. a programming language whose semantics change based on font. :)
< 1278459540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, that's scriptable.
< 1278459548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, scriptable typesetting.
< 1278459548 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it a meta-font like computer modern; get more bang for our buck.
< 1278459567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also iirc Chinese has more native speakers than English nowdays
< 1278459582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There does not exist a Chinese language.
< 1278459584 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Theyre all in china.
< 1278459587 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuff said
< 1278459592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists a Chinese language family.
< 1278459599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right...
< 1278459603 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& native is irrelevant. Only fluency matters
< 1278459615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Which is about as varied as the Romance language family.
< 1278459620 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English by far has the highest fluency
< 1278459625 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I mean look at #esoteric
< 1278459628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, same when written though
< 1278459635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, in tech community yes
< 1278459643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less so outside that and the western world
< 1278459649 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think statistically too. Enlgish is the most common second language
< 1278459657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1278459661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not most common first
< 1278459662 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah even idiots like AnMaster can communicate with us and be understood maybe 1% of the time
< 1278459669 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've come so far.
< 1278459686 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1278459688 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: All the Mandarin speakers are IN CHINA.
< 1278459704 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't understand the significance of this...
< 1278459714 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to say.
< 1278459724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Only because of the bizarre fact that standard Chinese writing is written Mandarin.
< 1278459738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is about on par with all Romance language speakers writing in French.
< 1278459739 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey guys
< 1278459739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and?
< 1278459743 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just time traveled into the future
< 1278459746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right and?
< 1278459747 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up?
< 1278459762 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: nothing
< 1278459763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or all Germanic language speakers writing in German.
< 1278459769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including English.
< 1278459769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1278459770 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no jetpacks
< 1278459787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it used to be classical Chinese until 50 years ago.
< 1278459798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is about on par with all Romance language speakers writing in Latin.
< 1278459800 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone:  oh hello. I just time traveled from the past. I went there so I could time travel into the future just a second. Dunno if you remember or not, I forgot how long ago it was.
< 1278459819 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: still no jetpacks
< 1278459824 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1278459832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I fail to see how this changes the fact that there are more native writers of Chinese than of English
< 1278459833 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they make perfect sense!
< 1278459854 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster really thinks it's a numbers game. wow.
< 1278459866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Except for the Mandarin speakers THEY'RE NOT EVEN NATIVE.
< 1278459885 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future
< 1278459889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A FOREIGN LANGUAGE THAT HAPPENS TO BE RELATED TO THEIRS.
< 1278459891 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone speaks Python
< 1278459900 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's your worst nightmare.
< 1278459904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and they don't write in their own
< 1278459904 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beer to Mr. CakeProphet.
< 1278459917 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you sir
< 1278459918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1278459921 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had more vodka.
< 1278459936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes they do.
< 1278459936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is not how it is officially counted in statistics though as far as I know
< 1278459948 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey:  were you present when I discovered that vodka, coke, and chocolate syrup is a delicious concotion. I'm not sure if such a thing has ever been done before (probably has)
< 1278459950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there Chinese tends to be counted as one language
< 1278459952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this is because of nationalism.
< 1278459957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right
< 1278459962 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we can totally trust the Chinese government to give us accurate statistics, too.
< 1278459969 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy esoteric mixed drinks almost as much as I enjoy esoteric programming languages.
< 1278459969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, :P
< 1278459974 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No, I missed that.
< 1278459983 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is kind of disgusting.
< 1278459992 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was quite good
< 1278460002 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like vanilla coke... but with vodka, and chocolate.
< 1278460005 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1278460011 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chocolate syrup? Really now.
< 1278460015 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm sure theory and practice could be diverging, here.
< 1278460016 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1278460022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speakers of various Chinese languages write their own language actually *differently* from the "official" Mandarin.
< 1278460025 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it like vanilla coke
< 1278460031 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never said vanilla
< 1278460033 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not.
< 1278460035 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean
< 1278460044 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is thinking of vanilla coke will help you imagine what it might taste like.
< 1278460050 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a different flavoring.
< 1278460056 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I guess?
< 1278460093 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it's just as reasonable of an additive to coca cola as vanilla.
< 1278460094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so coke with different flavour than cocke?
< 1278460096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coke*
< 1278460098 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1278460099 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1278460101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had vanilla coke
< 1278460103 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cock Coke
< 1278460107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't compare with that
< 1278460111 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1278460114 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you live?
< 1278460120 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is vanilla coke a US thing or something?
< 1278460124 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vanilla coke is nice
< 1278460126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, Sweden, why? I don't really like carbonated drinks either
< 1278460130 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm in uk
< 1278460133 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:  ah okay. so just preference then.
< 1278460138 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was discontinued for a while
< 1278460141 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back now the
< 1278460143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, probably
< 1278460149 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Back now I think
< 1278460156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So: would you like to continue asserting that Chinese is a single language?
< 1278460172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I didn't assert that. I asserted that it was in statistics
< 1278460178 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think what we're forgetting in this debate
< 1278460184 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that Anglo-Saxons are superior to the Chinese
< 1278460188 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus have a superior language.
< 1278460196 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, the ROMANCE languages have more native speakers than AUSTRALIAN ENGLISH.
< 1278460198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I do not consider myself a linguist or such
< 1278460204 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English LOSES.
< 1278460214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you fail
< 1278460229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that was humour it was rather bad
< 1278460230 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ...
< 1278460231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: The INDOEUROPEAN languages have more native speakers than MANDARIN.
< 1278460238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore Mandarin loses!
< 1278460239 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm*
< 1278460251 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:  There's no time for humor when you're IN THE FUTURE.
< 1278460255 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously.
< 1278460260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1278460338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BTW, it's *especially* retarded claiming that the Chinese languages are written the same way.
< 1278460340 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here — not AnMaster — played Mario 64?
< 1278460354 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course.
< 1278460360 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am an American
< 1278460361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are written using unstandardised methods of encoding the native morphemes and grammer...
< 1278460371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Cantonese has its own completely seperate written standard.
< 1278460378 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recommended? I suppose so. I actually haven't played it.
< 1278460399 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: depends. How kind of games have you played in the past?
< 1278460406 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMB, Sunshine, Galaxy 1&2... but never 64.
< 1278460409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mhm
< 1278460411 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I generally recommend it. It's a good game but I don't think I would play it again now.
< 1278460414 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for mario)
< 1278460434 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be bored if you've played the newer ones. Tends to happen to me with games. But it's good.
< 1278460437 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play all sorts; rarely FPSes or MMOGs though.
< 1278460482 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone:  hmmm, lemme think of an awesome game to play. Do you own a Wii or Gamecube? I definitely recommend the Metroid Prime series.
< 1278460507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short: only idiots think that Chinese is a language.
< 1278460508 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own a disused gamecube but not a wiii. I intend to buy a Wii.
< 1278460520 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just emulate a GC.
< 1278460527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Mario 64 = <3
< 1278460543 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite Mario game is probably 3
< 1278460580 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I might play it right now instead of BROODING.
< 1278460582 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favourite English is what is they use in Youtube comments!!
< 1278460592 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a huge fan of the first Galaxy. Superb game.
< 1278460602 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :super mario world is my favorite
< 1278460612 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell randomRIO (0,1)  --1 = SMB3  0 = re-read "The Difference Engine"
< 1278460624 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. I thought this was GHCi
< 1278460628 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beat it w/ Mario and Luigi enough to unlock the bonus. Yes, including Luigi's Purple Coins.
< 1278460644 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell randomRIO (0,1) >>= print  --1 = SMB3  0 = re-read "The Difference Engine"
< 1278460665 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp: how is your raytracing going?
< 1278460692 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell System.Random.randomRIO (0,1) >>= print
< 1278460694 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1278460702 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo '<3'
< 1278460702 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1278460711 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sadly enough. This is how I make many of my real-life decisions.
< 1278460742 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that's awesome
< 1278460750 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even get out a coin :P
< 1278460760 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. Why bother?
< 1278460767 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that, then if I feel disappointed pick the other. Great way to figure out what you really want.
< 1278460775 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though Haskell isn't the most convenient language. I normally use Python due to rote
< 1278460788 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic reactions = accurate self-reading.
< 1278460798 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone:  yeah. Usually what happens with important things. I really couldn't decide this time though.