< 1277510410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Wait, what are all these? < 1277510415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ? < 1277510437 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know not of this "Python" of which you speak. < 1277510440 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1277510442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, < 1277510443 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That is one idea, I was thinking maybe something a bit different, such as, you can cast a different spell with even/odd hit points, your HP is healed until it is prime, everyone's HP in range is healed or harmed to the nearest prime number, etc < 1277510446 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rc. < 1277510463 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: But do you have idea about the second one, the "MERCIFUL TO GIBBERING MOUTHERS"? < 1277510471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The only good shell. < 1277510499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: From UNIX 10, but more known from Plan 9. < 1277510520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/rc < 1277510521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/1/rc < 1277510526 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1277510531 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not really, yet. For some reason I keep thinking about gibbering mouthers doing karaoke. < 1277510548 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I was hoping it was Windows' old Resource Compiler. < 1277510558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: >_< < 1277510594 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But if Lua is "naff" then... yeah. I know what you mean. But there isn't. < 1277510600 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Io. But probably not. < 1277510611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: You, romanise ディンキ. <-- pikhq, what does it mean < 1277510642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I don't want all these fancy object things though. I just want some... stuff. < 1277510645 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h91.25.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277510649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I want Tcl, I guess. < 1277510650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1277510658 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blech. < 1277510673 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ok... < 1277510679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's a transcription of "dinky". < 1277510683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah < 1277510711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cannot be romanised in Hepburn, Kunrei, or Nihon romanisation schemes. < 1277510723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these are the only ones in use by more than, oh, 1 person. :P) < 1277510734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well, make a language that fits! :P < 1277510775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort -R | head -1 # can anyone think of a better way to write this? :-) < 1277510789 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If I could get funding... well, no. I can't promise it would "fit" rc. I'm not actually much of a Plan 9 fan. < 1277510805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Not fit rc. Fit what I want. < 1277510810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Plan 9 is great, you just have to look beyond the surface. < 1277510828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think they attacked everything naively but then it turns out they actually have quite a deep understanding of OS design, including STUFF. < 1277510849 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Have you ever installed it and used it? < 1277510856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a VM, yes. < 1277510859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes getting used to. < 1277510865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the ideas are great. < 1277510870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found myself settling quite quickly. < 1277510882 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was never able to get it installed, when I was interested. (No VM for me at the time, only bare metal.) < 1277510904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, it sucks at hardware support. It's a research OS. :P < 1277510909 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1277510914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES GREP MAKE ME WRITE [[:digit:]] INSTEAD OF \d. < 1277510949 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The answer has something to do with RMS and goats. < 1277511019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sort -R | head -1 # can anyone think of a better way to write this? :-) <-- yes < 1277511023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort -R | head -n 1 < 1277511027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more POSIX < 1277511044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even -R is not posix < 1277511061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably GNU < 1277511066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a bash thing to let the heredoc ender have whitespace before it? < 1277511070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is but I'm not certain. < 1277511098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brackets, I think. < 1277511100 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck bash. Use Tcl. < 1277511105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo >>{HERE DOC} < 1277511107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE DOC < 1277511121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like that. < 1277511124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : foo < alise, store the value of number $db in a variable? < 1277511552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still have to echo "$quotes" < 1277511554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't so cool < 1277511556 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You know some of them :) < 1277511569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you evaluate it on all paths it makes sense to do it eagerly < 1277511577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes () { < 1277511577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : number "$db" < 1277511577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1277511578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1277511580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/paths/&,/ < 1277511589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, -_- < 1277511594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What? It looks nice now. < 1277511601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [ "$*" = "" ]; then < 1277511601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quotes | sort -R | head -n 1 < 1277511601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else < 1277511601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if echo "$*" | grep -c '^[0-9]\+$'; then < 1277511601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quotes | grep "^($*)" < 1277511602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else < 1277511603 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a better question: is there a good intro doc to the IRC protocol? That includes sample code for a really simple bot? < 1277511604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quotes | grep -F "$*" /var/quotes < 1277511606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fi < 1277511608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi < 1277511610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like it's any slower or anything. < 1277511611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you should evaluate it eagerly! ;P < 1277511612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yeah, here's my intro: < 1277511615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER abc abc abc abc (make them all the same) < 1277511619 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do I like? To insert? Extraneous question marks??? < 1277511619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK poopybot < 1277511623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN #channel < 1277511631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG #channel-or-username :poopy poop mcfloopy poop < 1277511634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages come in as < 1277511648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::nick!youdontcare@youdontcare PRIVMSG #channel-or-your-name :LOL U SUXK < 1277511651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end. < 1277511656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster will try and tell you to use NOTICE. < 1277511657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore him. < 1277511673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no I wasn't going to < 1277511685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ais523 would. :P < 1277511696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you are right the RFC says any automated replies to PRIVMSG should use NOTICE < 1277511700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent an endless loop < 1277511705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, botloops are fun. < 1277511708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And NOTICEs are irritating. < 1277511713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, depends on client < 1277511721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some clients do it properly < 1277511742 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I think you forgot something. < 1277511743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh and you are not allowed to automatically reply to NOTICEs < 1277511754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Quitting? Parting? < 1277511756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PART #poop < 1277511763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUIT :this message is probably going to be ignored by freenode < 1277511774 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was confused. But yes. < 1277511779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctcp actions show up as \1ACTION foo\1 in the message body < 1277511782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actual \1 characters) < 1277511784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can send them like that too < 1277511799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So talking on a channel is a form of PRIVMSG, huh. Nice. < 1277511820 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real private-like. < 1277511828 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, relative to the other channels I suppose. < 1277511855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no freenode won't ignore them... < 1277511864 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I just need a framework for line-based communicate over a socket connection. I'm sure I can find that. But still, uggh. < 1277511865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does in the first interval of connecting or something < 1277511872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: netcat < 1277511880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nc -e ./mybot irc.freenode.net 6667 < 1277511885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdout sends to server, stdin reads from server < 1277511886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :job done < 1277511888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, line endings are CRLF < 1277511893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but nobody cares < 1277511894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just use \n < 1277511900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your nc doesn't have -e, blame security freaks and get proper Hobbit netcat < 1277511905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but you will get your lines like that < 1277511914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well yeah but gets will handle that < 1277511918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maximum line limit = you can use gets) < 1277511927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can also use fgets in the same manner if you hate gcc complaining about it :P < 1277511928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1277511934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well hey, it's safe in this case < 1277511938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cpressey said in twenty minutes < 1277511951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i personally don't know fgets' signature off by heart, so i'd have to look it up --> time < 1277511967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you shouldn't use gets anyway because there are servers which breaks this part of the protocol during connect to ensure no idiot clients < 1277511968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1277511968 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't plan on using a language with statically-sized buffers for strings. < 1277511973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well, yeah. < 1277511986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Just use perl -n. < 1277511993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN { print "USER and NICK commands" }; < 1277512020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if /^PRIVMSG .+? :quit/ { exit } < 1277512031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1277512035 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That BEGIN depressingly reminds me of Ruby < 1277512035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.+? < 1277512035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if /^:.+? PRIVMSG .+? :quit/ { exit } < 1277512040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: non-greedy .* < 1277512054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, it reminds me of AWK < 1277512057 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to irc using raw nc right now. < 1277512059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, probably perl too < 1277512072 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It said it got No Ident response, and kicked me off < 1277512076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if /^:(.+)?!.+? PRIVMSG (.+)? :ping/ { print "PRIVMSG $2 :pong, $1" } < 1277512082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which server? < 1277512093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, freenode allows no ident < 1277512095 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ nc irc.freenode.net 667 < 1277512099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 6667 < 1277512104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :667!? < 1277512105 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, twas < 1277512107 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6667 < 1277512112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should the add quote command be? < 1277512115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but you need to reply to PING during connect < 1277512120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, otherwise it will kick you off < 1277512121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it just timed me out, trying again < 1277512128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is to prevent HTTP proxy to spam < 1277512130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ^ < 1277512143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: [ehird@ping ~]$ nc irc.freenode.net 6667 < 1277512143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::niven.freenode.net NOTICE * :*** Looking up your hostname... < 1277512143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::niven.freenode.net NOTICE * :*** Checking Ident < 1277512143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::niven.freenode.net NOTICE * :*** No Ident response < 1277512143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::niven.freenode.net NOTICE * :*** Couldn't look up your hostname < 1277512144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER ehird ehird ehird ehird < 1277512146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK asjsdf < 1277512150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore AnMaster, he's wrong, you probably just timed out < 1277512155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry about pings < 1277512164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no I'm pretty sure freenode added that nowdays < 1277512169 0 :cprcprcpr!~cpr@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277512173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it doesn't matter unless you'r reeeeaaally slow. < 1277512175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cprcprcpr: Yo. < 1277512180 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there I am. < 1277512181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, read again < 1277512189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1277512189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1277512199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, HTTP proxy spam < 1277512213 0 :cprcprcpr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poopy poop mcfloopy poop (blame alise) < 1277512216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember an oper said they were doing to introduce that thing < 1277512233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs Hobbit netcat. < 1277512241 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grins evilly. < 1277512283 0 :cprcprcpr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks worried. < 1277512290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to acknowledge any other netcat. < 1277512291 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, not it. < 1277512327 0 :cprcprcpr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/me looks worried. < 1277512369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the netcat source has a lot of poop-ery too. < 1277512372 0 :cprcprcpr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1277512391 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i looked at the nc source once < 1277512394 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went blind < 1277512416 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, thank you for the tutorial, alise. < 1277512418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat.c:(.text+0x1420): undefined reference to `res_init' < 1277512423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? But I linked with -lresolv... ohh, static. < 1277512427 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be off now. < 1277512436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'd better disable static. < 1277512438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Bye! < 1277512451 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.televisiontunes.com/Wayne_and_Shuster_-_Ending.html < 1277512453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# -Bstatic for sunos, -static for gcc, etc. You want this, trust me. < 1277512455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong again, sir. < 1277512458 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1277512460 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1277512461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1277512894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I seem to have a netcat called ncat... < 1277512897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from nmap.org < 1277512898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1277512917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has -e anyway < 1277512963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nc110.sourceforge.net/ is my only trusted source for the latest and greatest (1996) Hobbit netcat release. < 1277512993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unpatched (it doesn't need it), untarnished, 1.10. < 1277513011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most despicable use of the netcat name is GNU's, IMO. It's an entirely different software package and they've tried to usurp the name. < 1277513014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not cool. < 1277513102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good ol' classic netcat. < 1277513136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Unfortunately, it tries to statically link and also uses libresolv, so you have to get a static libresolv or (not recommended) disable the static linking. < 1277513142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's a bit inconvenient. < 1277513169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So frob the build system. < 1277513190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do what? < 1277513211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make it not statically link. < 1277513221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, not by default; that's kinda silly. < 1277513231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah patch the build system < 1277513235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want it to be static, you can add -static to your CFLAGS. < 1277513240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call it 1.10.0.1 < 1277513242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1277513252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Supesredblue.jpg ;; gotta catch 'em all < 1277513263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: # -Bstatic for sunos, -static for gcc, etc. You want this, trust me. < 1277513268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot distrust Hobbit. < 1277513275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Usually do "make systype" -- if your systype isn't defined, try "generic" < 1277513275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# or something else that most closely matches, see where it goes wrong, fix < 1277513275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# it, and MAIL THE DIFFS back to Hobbit. < 1277513282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot mail a diff back to him; therefore I have no right to modify this file. < 1277513285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the time, Linux's dynamic linking sucked balls. < 1277513294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact, it still does. :P < 1277513300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not in the same way < 1277513305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more so than other dynamic linking. < 1277513309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it just sucks in a sucky way now. < 1277513315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1277513328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, it had each dynamic library with its own compiled-in address. < 1277513343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Supesredblue.jpg ;; gotta catch 'em all <-- which tv tropes page was that linked from? < 1277513351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not evil enough to tell you. < 1277513352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1277513353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The linker would load the library at the proper address. Binaries would use the proper address to call into it. < 1277513356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I want to know < 1277513358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I have no res_init in my libresolv. < 1277513359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sorry. < 1277513362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Dork age.) < 1277513363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, .... < 1277513367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's the entirety of it. < 1277513371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can CamelcCase it.) < 1277513373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CamelCase < 1277513375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I use w3m -dump anyway for it < 1277513387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, to get rid of links < 1277513421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any idea how to get res_init() on Linux? < 1277513438 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h136.19.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277513464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1277513587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Link with -lresolv." < 1277513590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why doesn't it work... < 1277513598 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1277513673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1277513678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include fixes it. < 1277513682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it's a macro. < 1277513709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat.c:(.text+0x62c): warning: Using 'getservbyport' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking < 1277513710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares. < 1277513772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@ping nc]$ make linux XFLAGS='-DLINUX -DGAPING_SECURITY_HOLE' < 1277513773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yummy. < 1277513823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I has nice naetcat. < 1277513824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*netcat < 1277513836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add quote command? Name? Opinions? < 1277513921 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1277514014 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h193.26.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277514093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "-DGAPING_SECURITY_HOLE"? < 1277514111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: enables -e < 1277514118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not so much a gaping security hole as a ... gaping security hole < 1277514124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if used in a gaping manner) < 1277514128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but really, it's your own damn fault) < 1277514133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hobbit is a bit creative with his na,es < 1277514134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*names < 1277514135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a gaping security hole, but not netcat's fault. < 1277514151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct host_poop { < 1277514152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct port_poop { < 1277514167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cross-check the host_poop we have so far against new gethostby*() info, < 1277514167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and holler about mismatches. Perhaps gratuitous, but it can't hurt to < 1277514167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : point out when someone's DNS is fukt. Returns 1 if mismatch, in case < 1277514167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : someone else wants to do something about it. */ < 1277514174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (strcmp (poop->name, < 1277514181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HINF * gethostpoop (name, numeric) < 1277514181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : char * name; < 1277514181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : USHORT numeric; < 1277514181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1277514182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1277514198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most poopy segment I've found so far: < 1277514199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : memcpy (&poop->iaddrs[x], hostent->h_addr_list[x], sizeof (IA)); < 1277514199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : strncpy (poop->addrs[x], inet_ntoa (poop->iaddrs[x]), < 1277514199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sizeof (poop->addrs[0])); < 1277514251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Whatinthe? < 1277514261 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1277514315 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h193.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277514435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Whatinthe whatinthe? < 1277514447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He just likes naming all his replacements for standard things after poop. < 1277514453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And names all values of these types "poop". < 1277514493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1277514515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE NAME THE BOTTE REMEMBER-QUOTE COMMAND :| < 1277514517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote is boring < 1277514519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps remember < 1277514526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1277514533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe .q should be the random quote / quote lookup command < 1277514535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oboeru < 1277514537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .quote be the add-quote command < 1277514632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are totally important questions. < 1277514722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [ "$*" = "" ]; then < 1277514722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo "$NICK: Try entering a quote, dipshit." < 1277514725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Think of a nicer error message. < 1277514735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, idea: quotethee ! < 1277514741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1277514761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you know, somewhat archaic < 1277514908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1277514908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [ "$*" = "" ]; then < 1277514908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo "$NICK: Try entering a quote, dipshit." < 1277514908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else < 1277514908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo "$*" >> ~/var/quotes < 1277514909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi < 1277514913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see you write that simpler in your favourite bot. :P < 1277514960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how the quote command just... uses the output of grep as the result of the command. With no filtration. < 1277514966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Unix architecture is pretty damn good. < 1277515038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat `which quote` < 1277515049 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277515055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1277515058 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277515069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFFYOUHACKEGO < 1277515134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HackEgo uses *SQLITE* to do quotes. < 1277515137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cnanot possibly win. < 1277515140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cannot < 1277515144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What, seriously? < 1277515150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1277515152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've sworn it used a shell script. < 1277515155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1277515158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. < 1277515158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That calls SQLite. < 1277515165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same command should work on Hackego, though. < 1277515169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because Gregor has some sort of retarded disease whereby he uses SQLite for everything. < 1277515174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: even $NICK? < 1277515184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not that. < 1277515186 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277515199 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans < 1277515206 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wat is up? < 1277515294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I kindly request a version of http://codu.org/music/GRegor-op7.ogg that doesn't sound like the microphone was in a wooden box at the time! < 1277515302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: setting lowercase environment vars is discouraged, right? < 1277515333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Right. < 1277515345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I second that request. < 1277515372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, same applies to some of the other early opuses you published < 1277515411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I mean the music as such is good but there is no midi file or such for so I could use fluidsynth locally < 1277515421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Gah, the worst thing about sh is quoting every damn var. < 1277515431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you have to do it even if it doesn't need it, otherwise it gets wildly inconsistent and stuff starts breaking. < 1277515438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, XD < 1277515450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sometimes you want to not quote it though < 1277515560 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... does Gosel's theorems apply /only/ to systems that define arithmetic and the natural numbers? < 1277515570 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Godel < 1277515596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should you address a single item of karma? < 1277515598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bit of karma"? < 1277515602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have 3 bits of karma." < 1277515779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear people, please stop saying "to thine own self be true" (and similar modernisations) and "brevity is the soul of wit". Thanks. < 1277515829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the latter sounds true in many cases < 1277515867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laconisms and such < 1277515870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you understand. Polonius said those lines. < 1277515883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polonius is /a blundering idiot/. < 1277515893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh I didn't know that < 1277515919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brevity is the soul of wit" is not true; while it is true that verbose jokes aren't always funny (although they can be, see shaggy dog stories), it is certainly not the /shortness/ of a phrase that determines how funny it is! < 1277515945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, true, but what about laconism then? < 1277515952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Is one type of humour, not all. < 1277515958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, very true < 1277515969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but the shortness of it is part of making it fun < 1277515975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: As you well know, 低さは知恵の気. < 1277515977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very often < 1277515983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Polonius basically spends the entirety of Hamlet dancing around, poking his nose into everything and generally being annoying while thinking himself wise, then Hamlet accidentally kills him and is just all "oh well, who cares". < 1277515984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, translation please < 1277515991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, people quoting him is amusing. < 1277515991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brevity is the soul of wit. < 1277515995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made shorter. < 1277515996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, XD < 1277516031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also shorter in roman script. "Hikusa wa chie no ki." < 1277516072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Very like a whale. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1277516134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how prudes who only like Shakespeare because it's "classical" deal with finding out the true meaning of that country matters/nothing bit. < 1277516139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from "badly". < 1277516158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, *that's* all you wonder about? < 1277516169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not all the *other* genitalia references? < 1277516178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(half of each play, ish?) < 1277516182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the country matters bit is the most obvious. < 1277516187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1277516190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest they can just handwave away. < 1277516197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Very like a whale. | More so than a real whale. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1277516256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which play is that? < 1277516266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I watched the David Tennant / Patrick Stewart adaptation on BBC2 on Boxing Day (we get three hour productions of Hamlet without advert breaks on the second main channel on Boxing Day: this is possibly the only redeeming aspect of British culture); he did a rather excessive rolling of the r in "country matters". < 1277516273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuntrrrrrrrry matters. < 1277516278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it has to be obvious for the PHILISTINES. :P < 1277516285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hamlet. < 1277516292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I thought you said country? not cuntry < 1277516307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pun. < 1277516310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He says country, he means cunt'ry. < 1277516313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1277516313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's hard to argue against David Tennant and Patrick Stewart together performing, well, anything. < 1277516356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: HAMLET: Lady, shall I lie in your lap? < 1277516356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPHELIA: No, my lord. < 1277516356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAMLET: I mean, my head upon your lap? < 1277516356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPHELIA: Ay, my lord. < 1277516356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAMLET: Do you think I meant country matters? < 1277516357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPHELIA: I think nothing, my lord. < 1277516359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAMLET: That's a fair thought to lie between maids' legs. < 1277516361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPHELIA: What is, my lord? < 1277516363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAMLET: Nothing. < 1277516375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1277516389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nothing" was also slang for a vagina. < 1277516394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1277516400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., "Wanna have sex?" "No." "I mean, can I lie my head [innuendo: head of penis] on your lap." "Okay." "Did you think I meant cunt'ry matters?" "I think nothing, my lord." "That's a fair thought to lie between maids' legs." "What is, my lord?" "[Vagina.]" < 1277516402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resting a head there seems very strange < 1277516433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so indeed < 1277516470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr shakespeare was a dirty, dirty man. < 1277516480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr? < 1277516481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1277516523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tl;dr summary" has now overtaken "tl;dr [as complaint"]. < 1277516532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what? really? < 1277516538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1277516540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complaint]". < 1277516551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1277516556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TL;DR: [i.e., for the people who consider this TL;DR, here is a summary:]". < 1277516559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the rapid, rapid evolution of slang. < 1277516575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is now more common than "tl;dr" itself, which became a bit boring really. < 1277516619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Un bon mot ne prouve rien." < 1277516656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Quite so! Wait... < 1277516672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("A witty saying proves nothing.", for those who don't speak French; Voltaire.) < 1277516711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes it was awkward to find the french verson, i had to guess a word in it ("rien") to push the english-only hits off google < 1277516762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could have just hit up http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Voltaire. < 1277516764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after which one discovers that google really doesn't like wikiquote much < 1277516775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's where i ended up < 1277516838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't in the first google page with just the english < 1277516898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you could have set the language to French only in advanced search < 1277516915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly i usually have to add site:wiktionary.org if i want to go there < 1277516939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i suppose, which would have been about equally awkward < 1277516959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warp Warp 3 is either 487c or 39c. < 1277516971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warp 4.4 is faster than warp 4.5. < 1277516981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than 10% of American self-proclaimed Christians can recite more than a few sentences from the Bible. That's a bit... Surprising. < 1277516982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And warp 8.4 is 765,000c while warp 9 is merely 834c. < 1277516993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 9.9 is 21,473. Add .1 to that, get warp 10, and you hit infinity. < 1277516997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARP SPEED: FUCK YEAH < 1277517001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that I strongly suspect that most atheists could manage that. < 1277517028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If for nothing else than to mock things like talking donkeys. < 1277517064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Warp 4.4 is faster than warp 4.5. <-- plot a graph < 1277517075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How do you put TWO POINTS on the SAME SPOT? < 1277517083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION once upon a time invented a currency in which 10 was an infinite amount of money. i don't _think_ i'd heard of warp by then < 1277517084 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1277517102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the same way you plot a relation instead of a function < 1277517107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it _was_ based on the relativistic speed addition formula < 1277517107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There's two different warp scales. < 1277517118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperial vs metric? < 1277517127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: At least three, surely. < 1277517133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And none of them make ANY SENSE < 1277517145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what would a newspaper cost? < 1277517167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not say they made any sense at all. < 1277517199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: um i don't think i actually fixed the exchange rate < 1277517208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1277517217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor, I kindly request a version of http://codu.org/music/GRegor-op7.ogg that doesn't sound like the microphone was in a wooden box at the time! < 1277517225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were up to me, I'd call it multiples of C and be done. < 1277517226 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was recorded on an acoustic. Poorly. < 1277517266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botte feature idea: commands that are triggered on some shell comman < 1277517266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1277517270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n\nd/nd/ < 1277517286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for instance, if you wanted to run the command karma++ on all messages containing ++, you'd have < 1277517302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep -c '++': karma++ < 1277517302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed. op6 is about as bad < 1277517333 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I also didn't write down the sheet music. Hypothetically I'm working my way backwards and recreating them, but I'm only on Op. 8 in that process. < 1277517352 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about this: You and pikhq and whoever else cares (nobody) vote on which one you would most like for me to get updated, and I'll update it :P < 1277517352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: D'aw. < 1277517367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 has the worst recording. < 1277517408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell conv c = atanh (c/10); main = print $ map conv [0.5, 1 .. 9.5] < 1277517412 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5.004172927849138e-2,0.1003353477310757,0.15114043593646667,0.20273255405408228,0.2554128118829953,0.3095196042031117,0.3654437542713962,0.4236489301936017,0.4847002785940517,0.5493061443340549,0.6183813135744635,0.6931471805599453,0.7752987062055835,0.8673005276940532,0.9729550745276565,1.09861228866811,1.2561528119880574,1.4722194895832204,1.831780823064823] < 1277517441 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that update is not just rerecording, it's making a digital piano roll and sheet music. < 1277517448 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as recording) < 1277517488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Op. 1. :P < 1277517519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilypond is pretty < 1277517520 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IRC is still, for many people, the place to go to get real-time help with various technologies, or simply to discuss them." < 1277517528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Gregor's music isn't lilipondised yet, he should make it so < 1277517531 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I hope you mean the output and not the input :P < 1277517535 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Still"? What's that supposed to imply? That it's on its way out? < 1277517541 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: All that I have sheet music of is lilypondized. < 1277517545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the output is beautiful, the input is acceptable < 1277517558 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Much like all other TeXisms. < 1277517578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: it's 90's technology, older than the web itself, of course it's antiquated :D < 1277517597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 has the worst recording. <-- seconded < 1277517609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, 6 comes second when it comes to worst recording < 1277517622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5's got a decent recording, as does 8. < 1277517631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed < 1277517633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, 6 is acceptable. 7's is just annoying. < 1277517644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes 7, 6, the rest < 1277517648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the order I suggest < 1277517660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said he wouldn't post 4 and before so... < 1277517661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/D95jI.png <-- google wins < 1277517686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=world+cup "Assuming "world cup" is a gene" < 1277517706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, haha < 1277517767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuil launched a new product < 1277517768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Cpedia (alpha) — the automated encyclopedia from Cuil. < 1277517808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ... stitches together the internet into an awful encyclopedia article < 1277517834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It will not work as expected for offensive or pornographic terms, so for instance the article on gay sex is mostly about the Anglican Church, Uganda, Larry Craig, and Ted Haggard. Because we have removed most of the obviously adult pages, this is what is left, and this does not really reflect the actual web." < 1277517842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so what if I want to look up some sex-related thing? < 1277518090 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love how Chrome will sometimes completely ignore that I typed something into the address bar and pressed Enter < 1277518099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1277518126 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, browsing Reddit on Chrome is hell < 1277518226 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1277518258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need to get someone here to learn violin, viola, and cello, so we can perform Op. 9. < 1277518314 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my computer's clock is constantly slow, even after being set to the right time several times, is something severely wrong? < 1277518330 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know somebody who plays Cello but is waaaaaaaaay too good to ask to play Op. 9. I used to play the Viola but was and certainly am waaaaaaaaaaay too bad. < 1277518331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes: why aren't you running ntpd? < 1277518357 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, frankly, if I could conjure up the instruments, I would sooner get the Op. 11 string quartet ... < 1277518359 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Windows" an answer? < 1277518360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: First, I'd imagine they'd be quite willing. Second, that's sad. < 1277518385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that's a good point. A string quartet version of that would be awesome. < 1277518393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Yes, but not an acceptable one. < 1277518403 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's notated, just not played :P < 1277518412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yuh. < 1277518480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the notation needs a little bit of polishing but *eh* < 1277518489 0 :lifthrasiir!rQKhKgfJ@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1277518530 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the fark is my mouse? < 1277518549 0 :charlls!~charlls@190.219.8.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1277518613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: I ate it. < 1277518619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shii had some sort of network clock program for Windows on his website at one point. < 1277518628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems now to have disappeared. < 1277518630 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1277518645 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo's mouse is also his network adapter. < 1277518679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the clock. < 1277518689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shii.org/tclock/ < 1277518695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clock synchroniser for Windows. < 1277518943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that his Windows clock menu has a setting for syncronising, which afahk has been on since he got the machine < 1277518979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+h < 1277519046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know where I could illegally obtain the corpus of the OED? < 1277519200 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277519218 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when stuff randomly crashes. < 1277519235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: isn't your clock set to synchronize? there's a tab in my clock menu for that < 1277519254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or use http://shii.org/tclock/. < 1277519258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(internet clock) < 1277519281 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's set to once a week < 1277519282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well technically "internettklokke") < 1277519289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or http://homepage1.nifty.com/kazubon/tclocklight/index.html. < 1277519297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: make it every hour or so < 1277519334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: oh it's that rare? it was set for next time tomorrow so assumed it was more frequent < 1277519336 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could there be a hardware issue? < 1277519360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there's alas no item to change the frequency, in my menu at least < 1277519372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use TClock(2|light). < 1277519397 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION syncs with time.nist.gov < 1277519440 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1277519460 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277519509 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of now, the time is one minute off < 1277519517 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or less < 1277519545 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll post when it becomes significantly wrong < 1277519654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, one minute is CATASTROPHIC. < 1277519673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typical ntp errors range in the tens to hundreds of milliseconds. < 1277519731 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my phone's fast < 1277519822 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, phone was showing 9:36 while comp showed 9:34 < 1277519829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know a good open dictionary corpus? < 1277519837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: compare against e.g. time.gov < 1277519844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1277519935 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comp currently off by slightly over one minute < 1277519951 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 sec or so < 1277520130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEED DICTIONARIES < 1277520132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT SUGGEST WORDNET < 1277520135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will suffer. < 1277520154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suggest wiktionary and runs away < 1277520157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1277520200 0 :micahjohnston!~Adium@174-23-77-18.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277520215 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenCyc! < 1277520259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but you see, wikitionary sucks. < 1277520264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: die in a fire < 1277520288 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you're not an AI? < 1277520297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL WHOSE FAULT IS THAT < 1277520308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, YOURS. BECAUSE YOU CAN EDIT IT. < 1277520380 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277520380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: AIs might still want you to die in a fire. see e.g. terminator movies. < 1277520533 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1277520595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example of why wiktionary sucks: < 1277520606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fuck -- how on earth am i meant to present a definition of "fuck" to the user like this < 1277520621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean have these guys never opened an OED and noticed how it has all the organisation you need and still has every definition take up one logical line < 1277520700 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary is not good. < 1277520725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" She shoved them up and together, pushing into me, forcing my foot to fuck her tits harder and harder while gasping as if I was shoving it deep into her body..." < 1277520728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm thinking that for flinix, I will aim to initially just have Xserver, dwm, and dillo running. < 1277520728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, the OED would quote that. < 1277520736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classy, Wiktionary. < 1277520737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classy. < 1277520751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: go for jwm or something, i dislike tiling managers :< < 1277520757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, getty! < 1277520766 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh < 1277520773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, dwm is a bit more minimalist. < 1277520784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hotter_than_a_fresh_fucked_fox_in_a_forest_fire <-- No. < 1277520785 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary didn't quote that either :P < 1277520788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It did. < 1277520799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fuck; click second [quotations ▼] link. < 1277520823 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack, I didn't even know about that unfeature. < 1277520828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWM HAS MULTIPLE FILES < 1277520831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fuckest ;; FUCKEST??? SERIOUSLY GUYS. < 1277520841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE IN A FIRE. < 1277520851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We should just petition Oxford to open-source the full OED corpus. < 1277520854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it'd be gigabytes. < 1277520859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, 500 megabytes or so IIRC. < 1277520869 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That < 1277520870 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would < 1277520870 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be < 1277520871 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1277520872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But someone would just stick it on the web. < 1277520875 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never gonna happen though. < 1277520875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus it would be cool. < 1277520879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alas. < 1277520889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We should make some shoddy argument that it's part of a public research institution! < 1277520966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus ... must be ... completely open. < 1277520978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But seriously, are there even options other than Wiktionary and WordNet? < 1277520997 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just use Google's "define:whatever" and then pick one that seems not retarded :P < 1277521065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ninjawords.com/ reformats wiktionary to be not so abhorrent; I'm wondering if I should just screen-scrape it < 1277521086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hmm. How large is twm? < 1277521091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ew. No. < 1277521096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1277521104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I asked her if she wanted to fuck and she said yes, so we had sex together last night." < 1277521109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a ludicrous quote < 1277521111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^ // < 1277521119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That is totally how human beings talk. < 1277521137 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone played manufactoria? < 1277521149 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first few levels are fsms and then it's pretty much turing machiens < 1277521155 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup guys < 1277521165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked the bitch "Do you wish to engage in copulatory intercourse this night?" 'n she said yer, 'n we fucked our brains out < 1277521176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Even more realistic < 1277521224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh! Oooh! uwm! < 1277521229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1277521254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Holy fuck that code is awful. < 1277521259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE IT STOP < 1277521312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use jwm, dude. < 1277521349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jwm and dwm are the only choices I can use for a small distro and still be able to look myself in the mirror. < 1277521395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WMs are for pussies. < 1277521402 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is for pussies. < 1277521414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXX is also for pussies, but for very different definitions. < 1277521439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If I don't want X, then I'll just stick busybox and Elinks on a floppy and call it a day. :P < 1277521463 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a distro if it doesn't have GCC :P < 1277521473 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With GCC it has infinite capacity to extend itself, so all is well. < 1277521478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I can also include a C compiler. < 1277521484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCC I assume ;) < 1277521485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... TCC. < 1277521486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1277521487 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make < 1277521491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe PCC. < 1277521496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busybox has a make. < 1277521498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCC on Linux is a suckfest. < 1277521504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not the good kind. < 1277521530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing with it earlier. It actually works quite well, though it seems to not support a few things that Linux programs love using. < 1277521647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, suckless appears to have a decent terminal. That'll probably go on as well. < 1277521677 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277521810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: Nostalgia, or awesome visual? < 1277521817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is actually picking "awesome visual" < 1277521827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gasps < 1277521843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE _REAL_ SGEO? < 1277521874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the abbreviation thing for interjection? < 1277521884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itj.? < 1277521894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :æ veit itj < 1277522347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, v. (often obscene sometimes extremely vulgar) To have sexual intercourse, to copulate: "I asked her if she wanted to fuck and she said yes, so we had sex together last night."; (often obscene sometimes extremely vulgar) To insert one's penis, or a dildo or other phallic object, into a specified orifice or cleft; n. (vulgar) An act of sexual intercourse: "That was a great fuck."; (vulgar) A sexual partner: "She's a good fuck."; itj. Expressing dismay < 1277522347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or discontent: "Oh, fuck! We left the back door unlocked." < 1277522349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada. < 1277522356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I just mangled Wiktionary into something readable. < 1277522547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@ping src]$ python define.py poo < 1277522547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poo, n. Excrement; faecal matter; n. Marijuana resin; v. To defecate < 1277522551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad style to repeat the n. like that? < 1277522555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHere is "She is a good fuck"? [Yes, that's extremely demeaning, but still] < 1277522621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um right before the end? < 1277522641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1277522646 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is blind today < 1277522724 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1277522728 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277522931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@ping src]$ python define.py poo < 1277522931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poo, n. excrement; faecal matter; marijuana resin; poo, v. to defecate. < 1277522935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I repeat the word name like that? < 1277522968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherefore, v. (archaic) Why, for what reason, because of what; cnj. (archaic) Because of which; n. an intent or purpose. < 1277522972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it looks better without the repetition. < 1277523032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, how the fuck do I abbreviate preposition? < 1277523034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need pikhq for this. < 1277523080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Preposition? < 1277523087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :articles = { < 1277523087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'verb': 'v', < 1277523087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'noun': 'n', < 1277523087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'adjective': 'adj', < 1277523087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'interjection': 'intj', < 1277523088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'adverb': 'adv', < 1277523090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'abbreviation': 'abbrv', < 1277523092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'conjunction': 'conj', < 1277523094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'preposition': 'prep', < 1277523096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1277523097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prep. < 1277523098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, dictionary abbreviations of articles. < 1277523100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by a dot. < 1277523103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is abbrv right? intj? < 1277523106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conj? < 1277523124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbrv, int, cnj < 1277523124 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marijuana resin? < 1277523169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, who the hell knows, it's wiktionary. < 1277523173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not going to be of the highest quality. < 1277523184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure you're not just making these up? < 1277523195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weed, n. any plant growing in cultivated ground to the injury of the crop or desired vegetation, or to the disfigurement of the place; an unsightly, useless, or injurious plant: "If it isn't in a straight line or marked with a label, it's a weed."; a species of plant considered harmful to the environment or regarded as a nuisance; v. to remove weeds (unwanted vegetation) from (a cultivated area): "I weeded my flower bed."; past tense of wee. < 1277523196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No. < 1277523198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weed. Past tense of wee. < 1277523208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....also, where the hell is marijuana in that definition? < 1277523255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, int. (vulgar idiom) An expression of great indifference or nonchalance: "I was going to clean my room, but thought "fuck it, nobody's going to see it.""; (vulgar idiom) An expression of frustration. < 1277523258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the OED, but awful. < 1277523273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oed, abbrv. oxford English Dictionary. < 1277523276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lowercasing code backfires. < 1277523293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia, v. past tense of wipe. < 1277523294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1277523365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ha < 1277523382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it picks up on the deletion notice saying "deleted" which is like ... wiping, i assume < 1277523391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1277523404 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He told me to wipe off the dishes, so I wikipedia them for an hour or so but got tired of it." < 1277523417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia, n. an open-content online encyclopedia, collaboratively developed over the World Wide Web; a version of this encyclopedia in a particular language: "There are over two million articles on the English Wikipedia."; v. to search for information on a topic in the Wikipedia online encyclopedia; to add or edit an article of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia. < 1277523419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it works! < 1277523420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the horror. < 1277523440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1019589.txt?key=iveweg7njbmwqqdjqpnndg < 1277523444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ugly electronic dictionary device. < 1277523627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love LINQ < 1277523692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/oaddwrbvqjm0htb7jwgynq < 1277523722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Firstly, jesus christ that is awful die. < 1277523727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, no C# in here. Yes, that is now a Rule. < 1277523736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decree it so; any objections can be posed to me so that I may summarily ignore them. < 1277523741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so awful about it? < 1277523752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OUCH < 1277523754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT HURTS < 1277523757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : where wick.Tag == "#CRYSTAL-ALTAR-PE:" + name < 1277523758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially this. < 1277523761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fail at structuring anything. < 1277523780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIVE UP ON LIFE MY FRIEND :| < 1277523789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1277523856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get it. < 1277523876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely < 1277523883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow I am a jerk :) < 1277523894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please explain why .Tag is epically failing there. < 1277523936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this has to do with the name "Tag", that's .. I don't remember if it's my fault or not < 1277523955 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The choice of "Object" as the name of the class of these Objects is NOT my fault. < 1277523962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess I could have renamed it < 1277523979 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what's so terrible about .Tag? < 1277524004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the name Tag. < 1277524006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contents. < 1277524030 0 :aschueler!~alec@81.147.141.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1277524069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tag can contain (almost) arbitrary strings < 1277524102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just the thing that starts with # in the in-world object's Action line < 1277524351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know C#, but on a hunch wonders why you'd need new { pe.Position.X, pe.Position.Y, pe.Position.Z } rather than just pe.Position < 1277524362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same for wick < 1277524472 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Position is (rather stupidly) not a struct < 1277524490 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know if.. Can I trust equals to do the right thing? < 1277524494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, guess I should find out < 1277524704 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I could just use where instead of join < 1277524710 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might actually be CORRECT < 1277525266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4am... bed soon < 1277525859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:03:20 Sgeo__: i've read overdosing on tylenol (paracetamol) is _not_ a laughing matter < 1277525861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:03:39 a _very_ painful way of dying < 1277525862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:04:07 it takes a week for your liver to break down, or something < 1277525862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:04:52 and after a day there is _nothing_ medicine can do to prevent it < 1277525864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooooooool < 1277525875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i now know how to take over the world, thanks < 1277525889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1. steal all the anti-paracetamol-overdose cures < 1277525897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2. force-overdose everyone on paracetamol < 1277525902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OBEY ME OR DIE PAINFULLY AND SLOWLY" < 1277525906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*step 3. < 1277525993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flotsam and jetsam, n. (nautical) The remains of a shipwreck still floating in water; (nautical) That which has been discharged from a ship or boat, especially on the ocean or a sea, (flotsam unintentionally and jetsam intentionally). < 1277525996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing formats entries really nicely < 1277526034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:34:06 ah but don't you know that people decide their opinions first and make up / delude themselves into thinking they had reasons afterwards? < 1277526035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:34:23 maybe stupid people < 1277526036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap < 1277526067 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277526082 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, my code trusts the environment a bit much. < 1277526096 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One single issue in the environment, it crashes < 1277526103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't... sleep... < 1277526105 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, the environment is theoretically under our control < 1277526168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tylenol is scary shit if you like your liver. < 1277526176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst thing to OD on. < 1277526195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: use aspirin in future. < 1277526197 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1277526200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklpol < 1277526201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklopol < 1277526216 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277526235 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it turns out that in irssi, /window number switches two windows. < 1277526239 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, good, I know how to do that. < 1277526249 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277526284 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1277526324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Before the first 24 hours, there are no symptoms. After the first 24 hours, medicine can only reduce the chance of death. After the first 48 hours, you are solidly *fucked*. < 1277526337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet < 1277526340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they give this to kids < 1277526349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& also what horrible deaths can aspirin cause < 1277526370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aspirin can cause ulcers and stomach bleeding. < 1277526412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if given while you have one of a few viral illnesses while young, it can cause Reye's syndrome. < 1277526476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that's not nearly as bad < 1277526480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ibuprofen < 1277526502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reye's syndrome can cause brain damage or death... < 1277526544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have one of a few viral illnesses while young. < 1277526553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ulcers and stomach bleeding, I can deal with the slight possibility of if I have too much. < 1277526556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now! Ibuprofen. < 1277526576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTC doses of ibuprofen have... Side effects. < 1277526612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're not very common at OTC doses. < 1277526653 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ibuprofen+overdose :-) < 1277526674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so in other words i should just only use ibuprofen! < 1277526695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah: nice thing about ibuprofen is that even a mild overdose takes a bit of doing to do. < 1277526710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over its OTC dose is prescription dosage. < 1277526721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But otoh it's not as effective for, say, headaches, is it? < 1277526739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About as effective as aspirin. < 1277526778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs paracetamol? I've never taken aspirin afaik. < 1277526805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno about you, but I find that paracetamol doesn't even *work* as a painkiller for me. < 1277526884 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that going with the cooler looking stuff instead of the nostalgic stuff essentially discards someone else's hard work < 1277526987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah. Paracetamol causes more liver failures than all other drugs *combined*, and is the cause of some 39% of all cases of acute liver failure... < 1277527045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I avoid that like the plague. < 1277527296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:41 ... aargh < 1277527310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I seem to be unable to detect any effect when using painkillers. < 1277527326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The effect is so gradual, and since I am not able to observe the timeline in which I didn't take them, I never feel any benefit to taking painkillers. < 1277527364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Apparently you've only taken paracetamol. < 1277527376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which in my experience does fuck-all. < 1277527378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had ibuprofen before, I think, but I don't recall what for. < 1277527382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never had aspirin. < 1277527386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ibuprofen and aspirin work quite well. < 1277527456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only bothersome pain I ever really get is headaches. < 1277527537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: a quicker way of changing to another window in irssi is alt- < 1277527608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /window is for moving the window, not changing to it. < 1277527654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it < 1277527656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1277527656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS < 1277527657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT < 1277527749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1277527753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: help me sleep! < 1277527754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:49 woe < 1277527773 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it swaps two windows. < 1277527828 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/window n moves to that window (and I generally use meta instead); /window number n swaps the current window with window n. < 1277527830 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't those liver failures caused by the stuff they mix into it? < 1277527942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: ok < 1277528072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 寝て寝て寝て! < 1277528085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nete nete nete!) < 1277528089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nete yourself. < 1277528147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :でも今二十二時五十五分! < 1277528163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(demo ima nijuuniji gojuugofun!) < 1277528189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[but it's 22:55!] < 1277528218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_! < 1277528221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you buy melatonin? < 1277528231 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the drugstore < 1277528295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that sure is helpful < 1277528317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: It's a prescription drug in the UK~ < 1277528329 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1277528338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means I'd have to get a doctor to prescribe me with some sort of under-melatonin disorder. < 1277528342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not happening, especially with the unit. < 1277528348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as I don't have such a disorder afaik. < 1277528363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly suspect you do. < 1277528365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: So I'll probably have to find some trustworthy sauce and just break the law hideously >_> < 1277528373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I just said "I need to find a reputable online pharmacy". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1277528380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but will a doctor listen? < 1277528388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reputable. Online. Pharmacy. < 1277528394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bweheheh. < 1277528401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict the response will be "Sleep more." and with the unit involved they'll be all like "heh don't be silly young man". < 1277528407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got all your melatonin, LSD, and cocaine needs. < 1277528418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A few years ago, my mother told me that your Melatonin solved all problems she'd suffered. Because S/H to Japan is expensive, I had to buy more to keep them in stock for my mother. 50 bottles are enough to live for about 5 years. She said that she would take them until she dies. ... She trusts your brand. Please note that you have a fan even in Japan." - U.Y., Japan < 1277528423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's got endorsements from JAPAN! < 1277528425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's in UTAH! < 1277528428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is gonna work < 1277528443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...mind you, it does actually look reputable as thes things go: http://www.melatonin.com/ < 1277528480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is limited study of melatonin supplements in children, and safety is not established" Oh, shut UP. < 1277528500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps that melatonin OTC is actually legal in the US. < 1277528505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sleep disturbances in children with neuro-psychiatric disorders (mental retardation, autism, psychiatric disorders)" < 1277528510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing I'm either retarded of autistic. < 1277528512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or < 1277528521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Worldwide Shipping"! < 1277528523 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOT seems to very barely like it < 1277528539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's a possibility that it would be intercepted, but melatonin? Really now? < 1277528564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it seems to be well-written, designed well and have a reasonable enough product range but i'm not sure yet < 1277528586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly a lot more trustworthy looking than your average site since it's not claiming to be a pharmacy, just a seller of melatonin which is technically a dietary supplement in the us < 1277528615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you can get it in syrup form. I suck at taking pills. < 1277528618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's on par with those "herbal supplement" things. < 1277528626 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to suck at taking pills. < 1277528638 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to chew my medicine, even with dad angry at me about that < 1277528646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5:04... < 1277528656 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, :04? < 1277528660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, the FDA isn't regulating it at all. On the other, it *is* at least coming from an actual business, rather than "totally got your cold medicines by the gallon" meth suppliers or something. < 1277528665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So a priori there's nothing inherently distrustworthy about a melatonin dealer. < 1277528672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1277528677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combined with the well-written website with helpful dosage information and FAQs, etc, I'm inclined to trust it. < 1277528683 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer's time is off by 6 minutes. < 1277528695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, it's Utah. < 1277528702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They couldn't get away with shit in Utah. :P < 1277528716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; who the hell does anything crazy in Utah that's unrelated with Mormonism? < 1277528749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The usual dose for a night is 1–3 mg; I take 1.5mg.]] --gwern < 1277528756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I should aim for 1.5mg. < 1277528768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want NOW brand melatonin liquid, then, it's 3mg for one drop. < 1277528777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gwern? I know someone who goes by that nickname. < 1277528779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Natrol brand is a very low dose form of melatonin which is good for use with animals and special needs children." but 4 = 1 mg, so way too many drops < 1277528781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's the same guy. < 1277528785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia, #haskell, Less Wrong. < 1277528787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you sure you're not secretly in orbit at high speed, or something? < 1277528788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesswrong.com/lw/1lt/case_study_melatonin/ < 1277528795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sure enough. < 1277528820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Say, you know how you can suppress your gag reflex by clenching your thumb in a fist? < 1277528829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that lets you swallow pills if you just can't normally? < 1277528847 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My house might secretly be in orbit < 1277528860 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not like I can go outside to check, considering the clothing I'm wearing < 1277528863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Didn't realise. < 1277528867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just... Swallow. < 1277528876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome... 90 x 3mg melatonin tablets for $6.95 (sale price; $7.95 normally). < 1277528891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., 0.07c per night. < 1277528900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus exorbitant shipping, naturally. :P < 1277528912 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, I meant something in a disturbing way, but there's a clean interpretation. < 1277528913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I try to swallow but it's like I have no connection to the swallow...muscle. < 1277528930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Please hand me the mind bleach. < 1277528937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Higher Strength with Sustained Release" < 1277528939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants that shit! < 1277528942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me melatonin, now! < 1277528960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That is: if one slept for 7 hours, one awakes as refreshed as if one had slept for 8 hours (and so on)." god this is just so amazing < 1277528968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decide my bedtime an hour in advance, then get an extra hour in the day < 1277528969 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it true? < 1277528972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't, like, everyone on this < 1277528976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: is what true < 1277528981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwern said it, must be true < 1277528989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are other benefits, such as enforcing a bedtime - invaluable for young people" <-- tell me about it < 1277529041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1277529045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3mg is actually half an hour's waiting time < 1277529078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are so poor that 6 dollars every 150 or 300 days is a crippling expense." < 1277529088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is quite expensive melatonin that i'm looking at... but still ridiculously cheap < 1277529091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wonder what shipping is < 1277529097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/and/ what risks there are getting it shipped in < 1277529164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course, I got it wrong < 1277529166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd take half a pill < 1277529169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's 90*2 actually, 180 days < 1277529181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, you can get 1.5 mg tablets direct here < 1277529189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 days for $5.95, not bad < 1277529210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not targetted by the drug war, so pretty low. < 1277529244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Children and pregnant or nursing women should not take melatonin dietary supplements without a health professional's approval." < 1277529246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shut UP. < 1277529247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"Children < 1277529260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah; I can't imagine they'd try and intercept it, as it'd look perfectly benign < 1277529265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they'd hardly prosecute it < 1277529303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" You could also open a capsule and sprinkle into it into a drink" < 1277529305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tempting. < 1277529306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"You < 1277529309 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah... Dosing reminds me of tale that one person brought one expert's recomendation to supplement with vitamin D. Well, he brought some powder that was supposed to contain 1kIU vitamin D per teaspoon. He took two teaspoons per day. Soon he got vitamin D poisoning (hmm... You can't get vitamin D poisoning with 2kIU per day)... < 1277529406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Ha... ha... your jokes are so completely beyond me. < 1277529466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I seemed to have more intense dreams the first several days taking it, but they seem to have gone back to normal (or I've gotten used to them/don't remember them)." < 1277529470 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, turns out that powder wasn't 1kIU per teaspoon, it was 1MIU per teaspoon, so he was taking 2000kIU per day... < 1277529474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they don't go back for me. I never remember my dreams. < 1277529479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Ouch. < 1277529495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1277529549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sweet, melatonin.com will ship to the UK. < 1277529567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having controlled drugs illegally smuggled in has never been so cheap or appealing. < 1277529593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Individuals with autism spectrum disorders (ASD) may have lower than normal levels of melatonin." < 1277529596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROOF I HAVE ASPERGER'S!!1125112 < 1277529623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That actually explains a lot. < 1277529635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably don't have Asperger's. < 1277529644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Studies from Massachusetts Institute of Technology have said that melatonin pills sold as supplements contain three to ten times the amount needed to produce the desirable physiologic nocturnal blood melatonin level for a more rapid sleep onset. Dosages are designed to raise melatonin levels for several hours to enhance quality of sleep, but some studies suggest that smaller doses (for example 0.3 mg as opposed to 3 mg) are just as effective." < 1277529645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as why I find it very hard to sleep in most contexts. < 1277529648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't cut the pills that small! < 1277529660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Good for you is that melatonin is readily available in the US :P < 1277529665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot sleep in moving vehicles. At all. < 1277529670 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid research: Hey, lets give 500kIU vitamin D once per year and see what happens... < 1277529674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[While the packaging of melatonin often warns against use in children, at least one long-term study[87] does assess effectiveness and safety in children. No serious safety concerns were noted in any of the 94 cases studied by means of a structured questionnaire for the parents. With a mean follow up time of 3.7 years, long-term medication was effective against sleep onset problems in 88% of the cases.]] < 1277529686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with this automatic "CHILDREN CANNOT TAKE MEDICINE AT ALL" bullshit? < 1277529688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happens with polyphasic sleep too. < 1277529694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this mythologisation of the growing process. < 1277529705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, we have no idea how you grow! Doing ANYTHING will upset your growth FOREVER and you will DIE a hideous manchild." < 1277529771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 5:22, I need to go to bed, that's what I need to doooooooooooooo < 1277529779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's okay because I am going to get me some n-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine! < 1277529794 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Tryptamine... < 1277529821 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why that name sounds familiar... :-) < 1277529832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot send "Horror comics and matrices" in regular UK mail. < 1277529832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1277529845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like a scary comic, plus a really gnarly matrix equation? < 1277529877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and if you were wondering what horror matrices are (as I was), M-W tells us that, a matrix is (among other things) < 1277529877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 a : a mold from which a relief surface (as a piece of type) is made b : DIE 3a(1) c : an engraved or inscribed die or stamp d : an electroformed impression of a phonograph record used for mass-producing duplicates of the original < 1277529882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not help. < 1277529898 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should get ready for nightsleep < 1277529915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restrictions < 1277529916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1277529919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live bees. < 1277529919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live queen bees must be accompanied by an import license issued by a UK Government Agricultural Department and a health certificate issued by the appropriate Government Department of the country of origin stating that the bees are free of disease. < 1277529926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live bees aren't even prohibited to send by mail. < 1277529928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just RESTRICTED. < 1277530035 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about radioactive materials? :-) < 1277530062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black holes need to be properly secured < 1277530166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: germany prohibits those and melatonin :P < 1277530168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and other stuff) < 1277530602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I just realised you can make anything into blank verse. < 1277530605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just insert random newlines! < 1277530612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, I realised that ... ages ago and I should sleep and 5:37 and < 1277530687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION yawns < 1277530707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what time is it there < 1277530718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:38 AM < 1277530753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you haven't slept? < 1277530788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in a number of hours, no < 1277530813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I ruined your program < 1277530814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1277530815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I ruined your poem < 1277530816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blank verse is easier than rhyming for there's < 1277530816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to worry of timing, the problem < 1277530816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see with blank verse < 1277530816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me is that it's just an excuse < 1277530818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To write prose and < 1277530820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it poetry. < 1277530949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I suggest adding rhythm. < 1277530970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was /trying/ to get rid of the rhythm :P < 1277530971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original is: < 1277530975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blank verse is easier than rhyming, < 1277530979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For there's no need to worry of timing. < 1277530984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem, you see, with blank verse, to me, < 1277530989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that it's just an excuse to write prose and call it poetry. < 1277530990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Gregor < 1277530998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I modified the blank verse structure and made it horrible! < 1277531073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Incidentally, the 1964 Concise OED lists gaol and rime as the recommended spellings of jail and rhyme. :-) < 1277531097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rime" makes more sense, but gaol? < 1277531122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about sense, just Britishness. < 1277531126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jail" and "rhyme" are Websterisms. < 1277531159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To evaluate the etymology of words, Webster learned twenty-six languages, including Old English (Anglo-Saxon), German, Greek, Latin, Italian, Spanish, French, Hebrew, Arabic, and Sanskrit." < 1277531188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, and I suppose you write programmes from your gaol cell that you're in for putting a kipper in the copper's bonnet? < 1277531250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1277531258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that the OED did it for Britishness. < 1277531264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, I propose we all use dord to mean density. < 1277531269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Gove wrote that this was "probably too bad, for why shouldn't dord mean 'density'?"]] < 1277531336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, descriptivists don't have to make rubbish dictionaries. < 1277531367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth is wrong with making a dictionary with recommendations and omitting certain variations, etc. -- any more than writing a manual of style is wrong? It's less anal an endeavour than writing a MoS. < 1277531375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing to do with prescriptivism or descriptivism. < 1277531600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I still say aeroplane, aluminium, moustache, pyjamas, speciality, -re and -ise, doubled "l"s, and retain the "e"s when adding suffixes. < 1277531607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So bah, I retain some of my Britishosity. < 1277531668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do say fetus, because foetus is Just Wrong. < 1277531673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say grey too. < 1277531678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I think I'm allowed to be bitter about it as well, even though I only retain a few such things. < 1277531705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tyre. < 1277531722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do use double quotes, however. < 1277531729 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Pyjamas the name of something I asked about once? < 1277531751 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the British "punctuation outside quotes, unless the punctuation's being quoted" thing < 1277531760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As one of my ancestors (Joe Worcester) wrote Worcester's Dictionary, which competed against Webster's, and retained older spellings. < 1277531767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes. < 1277531780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wow, you have heritage... incestuous heritage, at that. < 1277531793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually a lot about it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_Dictionary. < 1277531832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out the OED's pronunciation notation. < 1277531835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incestuous? < 1277531843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the OED2 uses IPA! < 1277531843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OED uses IPA, doesn't it? < 1277531854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the proper OED uses its own notation *grumble* 1960s *grumble* < 1277531859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OED2 is unacceptable < 1277531871 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dawter"? [Webster's spelling] < 1277531881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is your family not that inbreeding one? < 1277531896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not the Worcesters. < 1277531900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hatfields. < 1277531907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you said something about cousins. < 1277531921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because of the Hatfields I am my own cousin. < 1277531927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn Hatfields. < 1277531934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is there a ... certain sauce in your family's past? < 1277531954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Joking.) < 1277531963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes from the shire containing the town from which I have my last name. < 1277531984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why in the world my last name comes from a town is beyond me < 1277531985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposal: We should write a dictionary! Yay? < 1277532016 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a melatonin < 1277532025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: 30 minutes before bed? < 1277532029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What dosage, 1.5mg? < 1277532038 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just when there's not much to do before I sleep < 1277532041 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3mg < 1277532047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Ouch, bad. < 1277532049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3mg is too much. < 1277532056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take 1.5mg, 30 minutes prior to when you want to sleep. < 1277532056 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1277532062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too much as in you-will-die. < 1277532066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But too much as in not-ideal-for-sleepy. < 1277532075 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source? < 1277532092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwern, Wikipedia, melatonin.com. < 1277532191 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write down my ambitious plans for making parts of the code much, much easier < 1277532195 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit late, but still < 1277532370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:06 fuck fuck fuck < 1277532507 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep now < 1277532527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! < 1277532530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TVTROPES < 1277532535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YyayayayayayaYyayYAYAYA < 1277532588 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277532633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kpodfk < 1277532686 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@91-114-236-193.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1277533439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think I can render my name with kanji. 榛森市・神支 < 1277533445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very, very freaking weird name. < 1277533470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"City of the Alder-Wood, The Lord Protects". God damn I have a weird name. < 1277533825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep soon < 1277533828 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277534257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIGHT < 1277534259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1277535265 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1277535868 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 minutes off < 1277535989 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277537247 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1277537780 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.4/20100611143157] < 1277538051 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277538153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1277538261 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1277538737 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1277539199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1277539200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1277539286 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1277539640 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@pool-96-233-51-203.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277541299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277542805 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h76.23.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277543015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still going at the MUD? < 1277543272 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1277543299 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote disturbing < 1277543315 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543323 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1277543327 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes < 1277543343 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1277543366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quote < 1277543368 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's slow today < 1277543370 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1help < 1277543372 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543372 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1277543374 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1277543381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes < 1277543382 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugger < 1277543384 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1277543397 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543400 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543432 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 1522 < 1277543434 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1277543436 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes < 1277543453 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543491 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1277543507 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543565 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blargh < 1277543607 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened? < 1277543663 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1277543682 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls quotes < 1277543699 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543712 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1277543728 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543747 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1277543759 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something is broken... < 1277543764 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543764 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! < 1277543781 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat foo >testfile < 1277543797 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543821 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat testfile < 1277543837 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277543842 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego is so broken < 1277544168 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277544169 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277544174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277544174 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277544186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1277544188 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ qw.pl \ share \ test.sh \ tmpdir.8344 \ wunderbar_emporium < 1277544191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1277544193 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15| wouldn't that be considered pedophilia? No. They all go by stage names. < 1277544196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1277544199 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50| i'm not a porn star, no < 1277544202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1277544204 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :29|IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: there is plenty of room to get head twice at once < 1277544224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Turing < 1277544226 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128| I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love 178| < 1277544237 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 178 < 1277544238 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1277544239 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :178| we'd care about a turing-complete pencil < 1277544246 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1277544260 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 1528 < 1277544263 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1277544330 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote disturbing < 1277544332 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :180| what's the data of? [...] Locations in a now deceased game called Mutation I have no problems with you being interested in online games but the necrophilia is disturbing < 1277544413 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders what an ItemsManager is doing in UserManager.cs < 1277544424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not write this code. < 1277544802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cs? < 1277544807 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# < 1277544808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caesium? < 1277544808 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# < 1277544825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, it should be Caesium. < 1277544839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be more languages named after elements. < 1277544895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, the guy who wrote the code had the patience to fiddle with numbers to get whatever pixels just right. I do not have such patience < 1277544899 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<==not a GUI person < 1277545041 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, GUIs. < 1277545063 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caesium is Cu < 1277545063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here enjoy them? < 1277545065 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Cs < 1277545068 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is Cu < 1277545070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1277545074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cu is copper/ < 1277545075 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. no one enjoys GUIs < 1277545079 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cu < 1277545120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'awww, now you're not pooppy any more :( < 1277545263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1277545264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no-one enjoys writing GUIs. < 1277545280 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using them is quite pleasant. < 1277545287 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1277545392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And necessary, until someone invents a good console-based web browser. < 1277545411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what is wrong with the current ones? < 1277545421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also frame buffer based gimp would be needed < 1277545430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen any that have JS. < 1277545456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, js shouldn't be required! < 1277545886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's necessary. < 1277545889 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1277545905 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is JS necessarily necessary? < 1277545919 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be for browsing < 1277545920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's used in so many places? < 1277545929 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS, yes < 1277545934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not /necessary/, just very useful. < 1277545962 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prosecution rests < 1277546499 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1277547000 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1277547340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I learn the hard way why I should include parentheses around anything I'm not sure about < 1277549077 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1277553707 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :arachneng < 1277553769 0 :arachneng!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lifthrasiir < 1277554163 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1277554424 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1277555359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277555467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what was that thing about parentheses? < 1277555607 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((Player != null) && !Pieces.Exists(piece => piece.Obj.Model == "vla_cone") || !Pieces.Exists(piece => piece.Obj.Model == "vla_cylinder")) < 1277555630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When there were no cylinders, the expression was true, despite Player being null < 1277555779 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you working on? < 1277555808 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Project < 1277555819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Project? < 1277555826 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Game < 1277555828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a Project.. < 1277555843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Project used to be PSOX < 1277555860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could rewrite it to a form that doesn't require any extra parentheses. That is assuming none of the involved variables are volatile < 1277555877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1277555888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, besides using nested ifs? < 1277555901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, well, it follows from Boolean logic rules < 1277555927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember what the term is < 1277556020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disjunctive_normal_form < 1277556029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it might not be very practical though < 1277556051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, anyway always test your code. Should catch such bugs as that you mentioned < 1277556131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, without unit testing, the situation was unlikely to occur < 1277556150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I would recommend unit testing if at all possible < 1277556187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how it's possible, with this much code, some of it _very_ poorly designed, already written < 1277556223 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiot other person took my project-independent code, scrapped it, and replaced it with code heavily tied in with the project, and with less functionality < 1277556234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revert? < 1277556243 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was a very, very long time ago < 1277556258 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am planning a bit of a rewrite of that stuff, though < 1277556262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and he named it "Object" < 1277556319 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B132443.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277556324 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, 99% of the current code depends on his code < 1277556332 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not literally 99% < 1277556430 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1277556460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I don't know how to mock static objects < 1277556481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1277556510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're planning a public alpha :/ < 1277556515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I usually prefer making most code pure, makes unit testing easier, then you keep the non-pure code to a small section of the code < 1277556532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but functional programming in C would be weird < 1277556540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is C#, not C < 1277556551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thought it was C++ < 1277556565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or C with function pointers in structs < 1277556582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hm the => isn't C and probably not C++ either < 1277556589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah guess I should have spotted that < 1277556591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1277556596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The => < 1277556602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda < 1277556641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb397687.aspx < 1277556687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piece => piece.Obj.Model == "vla_cone" < 1277556688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1277556694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the first is argument? < 1277556700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1277556742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1277556860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1277557397 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-derivatives and lambdas should not mix. < 1277557409 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a crime in the name of Church. < 1277557438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/name/eyes/ < 1277557554 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277557606 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the new page "Peyo" but I have idea how to write "smurf" more < 1277558076 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1277558124 0 :Geekthras!~geekthras@adsl-99-39-2-249.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277558428 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1277558782 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277559175 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277559305 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277559326 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.127.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1277559543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1277559590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[New mayor of Reykjavik refuses to form coalition with any party whose members haven't seen all five seasons of "The Wire."]] < 1277559591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[REYKJAVIK, Iceland — A polar bear display for the zoo. Free towels at public swimming pools. A “drug-free Parliament by 2020.” Iceland’s Best Party, founded in December by a comedian, Jon Gnarr, to satirize his country’s political system, ran a campaign that was one big joke. Or was it?]] < 1277559612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reykjavik have accidentally elected an awesome mayor < 1277559647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In his acceptance speech he tried to calm the fears of the other 65.3 percent. “No one has to be afraid of the Best Party,” he said, “because it is the best party. If it wasn’t, it would be called the Worst Party or the Bad Party. We would never work with a party like that.” < 1277559687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sandy-haired 43-year-old, Mr. Gnarr is best known here for playing a television and film character named Georg Bjarnfredarson, a nasty, bald, middle-aged, Swedish-educated Marxist whose childhood was ruined by a militant feminist mother. < 1277559736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Best Party, whose members include a who’s who of Iceland’s punk rock scene, formed a coalition with the center-left Social Democrats (despite Mr. Gnarr’s suspicion that party leaders had assigned an underling to watch “The Wire” and take notes). With that, Mr. Gnarr took office last week, hoping to serve out a full, four-year term, and the new government granted free admission to swimming pools for everyone under 18. Its plans include turning < 1277559737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Reykjavik, with its plentiful supply of geothermal energy, into a hub for electric cars. < 1277559743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these guys oughtta get reelected < 1277560124 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1277561206 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1277563291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1277563535 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1277563571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def < 1277563574 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sft < 1277563645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwert < 1277563655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwfpg < 1277564084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvora < 1277564101 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svypa < 1277564180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vuvuzela.fm/ < 1277564202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I can't take it. < 1277564221 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgg;O//www.vlvlzfia.tm/ < 1277564307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vulvas fia(TM) < 1277564327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/O/"/ < 1277564353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually hmm < 1277564389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is third-last in middle row < 1277564391 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, O was right < 1277564393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to locate the key < 1277564401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My keys are physically different too < 1277564412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I mean to locate where it would be < 1277564438 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L;'\ ? < 1277564456 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or L;' ? < 1277564459 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what < 1277565360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1277565366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl;'#[enter] < 1277565375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is capital ; < 1277565429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# O_o < 1277565466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ is capital # < 1277565468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :british keyboard < 1277565472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is capital ' < 1277565474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is capital 2 < 1277565484 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's "Keyboard layout" on Wikipedia that has all the pics, not "QWERTY" < 1277565486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬ is capital `, which is the key before 1 < 1277565490 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why I couldn't find them < 1277565496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and altgr-` is | < 1277565504 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, okay; O was right. < 1277565506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally broken dash in e.g. broken OSes (old windows and stuff) < 1277565626 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kypmaiij bpyefk sarh uk f.d. bpyefk YRfr 9yis wuksywr aks rgltt0 < 1277565643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fabrice Bellard: FFmpeg, QEMU, and TCC, among others. This guy is amazing." < 1277565645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...obviously. < 1277565976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and unless I misremember also IOCCC winner in some category one year. < 1277565988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with his self-compiling subset-o-fC compiler. < 1277565989 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                   | < 1277565989 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                   >\ < 1277565994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of-C. < 1277565995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah right < 1277566001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man is a god. < 1277566021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two years, no? < 1277566047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1277566054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what the other year was. < 1277566075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ioccc.org/2004/gavin.c < 1277566076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ioccc.org/2004/gavin.hint < 1277566089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1277566092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just mentioning qemu < 1277566113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.de.ioccc.org/2000/bellard.c < 1277566114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.de.ioccc.org/2000/bellard.hint < 1277566128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an FFT. < 1277566135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understandable from the author of ffmpeg. < 1277566141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This program prints the biggest known prime number (2^6972593-1) < 1277566141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in base 10. It requires a few minutes. It uses a Modular Fast < 1277566141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fourier Transform to compute this number in a reasonable amount < 1277566141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : of time (the usual method would take ages !). < 1277566182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Bernstein won one year. < 1277566198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Note that he didn't win as in Best of Show. < 1277566208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "Most Specific Output" -- prime number one -- and "Best abuse of the rules" -- for otcc. < 1277566219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes 10 seconds on my machine < 1277566239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes; like AnMaster said, "in some category". < 1277566284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTCC should have been Best of Show, really. < 1277566341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walter Bright also was a winner I.S.C. (in some category), 1986. < 1277566347 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did it abuse the rules? < 1277566365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lennart Augustsson, a.k.a. augustss of Haskell fame; three times, including one Best of Show. < 1277566367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't know. < 1277566390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judges' Comments: < 1277566390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : To build: < 1277566390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : make bellard < 1277566390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Try: < 1277566390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ./bellard bellard.otccex.c < 1277566391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1277566393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheds no light :P < 1277566399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1277566498 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's New? < 1277566499 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * 30 April 2010: Announcement coming soon. Check back here on 15 May 2010! < 1277566514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Korn one I.S.C., 1987 Best One Liner. < 1277566576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : From the San Jose Mercury News (May 15, 1993 page 20A "West Hackers < 1277566576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : trounce East in computer quiz game"): < 1277566576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Since 1984, a contest has been held on Usenet for the most < 1277566576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unreadable, creative, bizarre but working C program", Gates < 1277566576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : said. "What is the name of this contest?" < 1277566577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Windows," shot back Gassee, naming Microsoft's premier product < 1277566579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - a product over which Apple sued Microsoft five years ago. Not < 1277566581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the right answer - it's "The Obfuscated C Contest [sic]" - but < 1277566583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it brought down the house of Apple partisans... < 1277566585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [The expression on Bill Gates' face was a sight to behold, as reported < 1277566587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : to us by several who were there]. < 1277566635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Tromp won best game '89. < 1277566648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larry Wall run twice, obviously, '86/7. < 1277566652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I.S.C.) < 1277566664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"John Williams" I woner if... naw. :P < 1277566943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys -- if you're planning to have a child in 2011, please do it on the 11th of february < 1277566950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your kid's birthday will be 11/11/11. < 1277566961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2011-11-11, which is almost as good. < 1277567239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha there's a football icon on YouTube right now, it overlays the video with a vuvuzuela noise. < 1277567301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure am monologueing today. < 1277567491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's been there for a few days. < 1277567539 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1277567701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote turing < 1277567703 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128| I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love 178| we'd care about a turing-complete pencil < 1277567722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah but i didn't notice it :P < 1277567725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1277567774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: someone played around with HackEgo recently and briefly reverted my bug fix, i just checked if they'd re-reverted < 1277567779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1277567782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1277567783 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1277567800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love" is one of my favourite Slereah quotes < 1277567806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably my favourite < 1277567866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote elf corpses < 1277567867 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1277567872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote CakeProphet < 1277567874 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :187| how does a "DNA computer" work. von neumann machines? CakeProphet, that's boring in the context of DNA. It's just stealing the universe's work and passing it off as our own. 188| CakeProphet: reading herbert might be enlightening in one hand he held a < 1277567876 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote elf < 1277567878 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64| I spent the last minute or so killing myself repeatedly 138| so a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.com might be self-relative, but a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com always means a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com.? 159| if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien < 1277567882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote corpses < 1277567883 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :190| ais523: elf corpses are not considered expensive health food. but the most expensive. < 1277567885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1277567893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botte will be far more reliable using grep grumble < 1277567905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fax < 1277567906 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :96| im the worst person in the world 140| oklopol geez what are you doing here ...i don't know :< i actually ate until now, although i guess i also did other things... 154| sekuoir: that's just gay sex I am learning though! 156| okay I see it now, quines do exist 157| < 1277567910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 157 < 1277567911 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :157| we all know that didn't happen < 1277567912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote soupdragon < 1277567915 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :159| if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect ^ I learned that trick from atheists < 1277567917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always great for a laugh! < 1277568537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, your bug fix being? < 1277568543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I found the new page "Peyo" but I have idea how to write "smurf" more <-- i guess a smurf is replaced by previous word that could be used in the same context, approximately, although that sounds like a recipe for great pain, i.e. a feature < 1277568551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the previous < 1277568597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: `quote with a search term sometimes cut off the result in the middle, i replaced an xargs echo with fmt -w500 and that helped < 1277568664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1277569185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? There's sites selling melatonin in the UK. < 1277569191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a prescription-only drug, according to Wikipedia... < 1277569212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ultra-confused now, but I think this means I at least don't have to pay the shipping from Utah. < 1277569287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I understand from a uk chemist that melatonin is only available in the uk on prescription, it appears the uk sites offering it online are either doing so illegally or may well be traps, yes i fell for that racket years ago, at the time you think ok they sell valium, xanax, diet slimming pills etc, so i ordered them, oh yes after checking out the uk law on importing phentermine, valium, zanax etc and it was ok, not illegal, even checked out at a main libar < 1277569287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y law section, even got a solicitors ok and my gp confirmed ok to buy from a dummy (realise now setup site) supposed to be in south africa called speedrx, what a absolute fool i was, i knew at the time my computer was hacked, my gp kept prescribing rohypnol for sleep and always said the home office will be asking questions soon, it all adds up now since i stopped taking those drugs, i feel like the biggest mug on earth, how daft was i, if only i could reli < 1277569288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ve my life." < 1277569290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck XD < 1277569326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow he goes on to say that all drugs are bad and evil mind-destroying things, i don't think he understands what medicine is < 1277569610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not exactly a (mentally) balanced view, there? < 1277569726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1277569807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also seems to have made that a single sentence. < 1277569819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: two more paragraphs that are also single sentences afterwards; glorious < 1277569849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how he's portraying melatonin as this unnatural, evil, mind-destroying drug that will get you addicted and the Home Office will come after you and you will be set up by a shady south african site and it will destroy your life. < 1277569856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he needs some valium :D < 1277569860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/4038309 link to the crazy < 1277569878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comments are best: < 1277569890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This doesn't answer the question and in fact, your advice is pretty dangerous." < 1277569892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was not meant to be dangerous, i do not know what part you are refering too, maybe the internet address where i bought those drugs, no worries it closed down many years ago. < 1277569892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was simply trying to warn people how they can without thinking run into traps and may well be buying banned goods, anyway i do not think the uk would have banned melatonin for nothing." < 1277570154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wow... the cost for getting 180 days' worth of melatonin including shipping from Utah to the UK is only £13.60 ($20.45). < 1277570164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... a really good price considering the shipping distance. < 1277570183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-shipping actual-melatonin part of that cost is $6.95 (on sale; normally $7.95). < 1277570202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /could/ get it from a UK site, but considering it is almost certainly illegal to sell melatonin in the UK, as it's prescription only, I think I'll stick to a significantly less shady source. < 1277570301 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes stuff gets banned because conflicts of interest, not because of any known harm. < 1277570334 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, on the other hand, some very harmful stuff is still on markets due to same kinds of conflicts of interest. < 1277570414 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: why do you want melatonin? < 1277570428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I am completely unable to control my sleep schedule. < 1277570440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have good evidence that melatonin will help vastly with no side-effects. < 1277570444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus... < 1277570460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I think melatonin is prescription-only just because it is, nobody's bothered to change it I guess < 1277570469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all studies suggest it is completely harmless; short-term adult usage and long-term child usage have been studied. < 1277570717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US never even bothered to regulate it. < 1277571460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to work on Flinix < 1277571503 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277571512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to *try* to get it to work using GCC 4.5's LTO. < 1277572199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DAMMIT MY FLINIX IS SUPERIOR :| < 1277572204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cut down my kernel for you /sniff < 1277572498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Let's see if LTO makes my binaries awesome. < 1277572509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly suspect the inliner will love me. < 1277572515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK GCC. < 1277572517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1277572529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The name Flinix isn't big enough for the two of us. < 1277572540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with it so it's MY name, you pick one, you thiefing heathen :P < 1277572584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :フリニクス < 1277572605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may call it Furinikusu. < 1277572675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How do you write the digit "one" in japanese? 25? 11? < 1277572683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As words, like "one" or "eleven" or "twenty-five". < 1277572809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arabic 1 or Chinese 一. < 1277572832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, write out as words. < 1277572854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1277572856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :一 "ichi", 二十五 "nijuugo", 十一 "juuichi". < 1277572878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that one, eleven, twenty-five? < 1277572916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1277572917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 一と二十五分の十一メガバイト < 1277572919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have that name. < 1277572935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"52/10 MB and 1" < 1277572937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have failed me. < 1277572945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gave me 52 and 10, not 25 and 11. :( < 1277572975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the translator failed horridly. < 1277573005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that does, in fact, say "one and eleven twenty-fifths megabytes"? < 1277573073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 一分の二 is a very convoluted way of what Google tells me should be 半分? < 1277573248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does, in fact, say something like one and eleven twenty-fifths megabytes. < 1277573260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something "like"? :P < 1277573261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that is a very convoluted way of saying 半分. < 1277573277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :一分の円周率 ;; math should just use japanese as its notation < 1277573308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's the japanese analogy of "x"? < 1277573311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the placeholder variable < 1277573313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: x < 1277573320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they literally just... put x in there? < 1277573327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the equivalent of foo then? < 1277573344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean Japanese mathematical notation, which was lasted used a couple centuries ago. < 1277573371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm INVENTING Japanese mathematical notation! < 1277573393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :オの微分の二乗 ==> derivative of x squared < 1277573400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. d/dx x^2 < 1277573413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have notations for calculus. < 1277573420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to use オ as the placeholder for no particular reason other than it just translates to "O". < 1277573432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Square of the derivative of o" < 1277573434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD GOOGLE TRANSLATE! BAD! < 1277573437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that's just one reading. < 1277573438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really what it comes out as? < 1277573443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1277573447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the usual reading would be right? < 1277573453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about ambiguity! < 1277573462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...also, any link to japanese mathematical notation? < 1277573466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "genius". < 1277573468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1277573476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1277573487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the placeholder meaning "genius" is like sooo deep man < 1277573490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're using katakana オ, not 才. < 1277573492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a genius because it takes all kinds of values < 1277573500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1277573518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is "オの微分の二乗" "square of the derivative of オ" or "derivative of the square of オ"? < 1277573577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other nice single letters that read just as "O"? < 1277573623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :お is apparently "I"; good enough. < 1277573713 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1277573758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's hiragana "o". < 1277573761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"和オ、一、お、オはおおプラス二乗の半分である" < 1277573763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was meant to be < 1277573781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sum o, 1, i, o is half i squared plus i" < 1277573811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... < 1277573814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1277573819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gibberish. < 1277573975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1277573993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: オから合計オは1とおとしておの半分プラスお乗 < 1277574000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is impossible < 1277574002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Plus your total power from Oh Oh Too As one half ax" < 1277574233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wait, are you already out of greek letters for your equation? ;P < 1277574241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1277574244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE MUST USE JAPANESE FOR EVERYTHING < 1277574282 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1277574306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Someone rewrote The Big Lebowski. That someone is Shakespeare. < 1277574340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I present to you the moſt excellent comedie and tragical romance of TWO GENTLEMEN OF LEBOWSKI. < 1277574346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Site: http://www.runleiarun.com/lebowski/ < 1277574350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDF: http://cl.ly/1UJ0 < 1277574419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../../../gcc-4.5.0/libgcc/config/libbid/bid_decimal_globals.c:47:18: fatal error: fenv.h: No such file or directory < 1277574422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU GCC < 1277574522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On January 6, 2010, Bertocci posted "Two Gentlemen of Lebowski", a melding of The Big Lebowski with the language and writing style of William Shakespeare[1]. A sold-out off-off-Broadway production of the play ran from March 18 to April 4[2]. < 1277574528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, they actually performed it. < 1277574594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The revised text references or quote every play in the Shakespearean canon (as agreed upon by all scholars—sorry, apocrypha), as well as the Sonnets and the poem The Rape of Lucrece." < 1277575086 0 :cal153!~cal@nat-147-147.oreilly.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277575105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/pikhq/flinix/bld/./gcc/as: line 83: /flinix-lto/i386-pc-linux-uclibc/bin/as: No such file or directory < 1277575108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFF YOU < 1277575123 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1277575142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm, if I have a directory structure with bin/ as auxiliary commands, where should system files be kept? Internal system files. I don't particularly care about FHS, what would Unix say, do you think? < 1277575142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sys? < 1277575209 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/data < 1277575248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't data, it's internal system executables (but not of the kin or kind of those in /bin) < 1277575274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, this directory would contain the kernel and internal-kernel-libraries, unusable by the program type that lives in /bin executed by that kernel. So? < 1277575276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES. < 1277575279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLE FUCK YOU < 1277575292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i forgot how to fix that < 1277575350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The context is botte. ~/bin contains all the commands. < 1277575364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that ~ doesn't have to mean /home/botte; it sets HOME to its root so that commands can say things like ~/var/quotes. < 1277575370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could easily have it in, e.g. /usr/botte or similar. < 1277575415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm going with "have the initial GCC build against uClibc instead of newlib". < 1277575419 0 :Gregor-L!~Gregor@67-129-37-226.dia.static.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277575436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Don't use newlib. < 1277575442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newlib is primarily for platforms without OSes. < 1277575452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for bootstrapping before you have a libc. < 1277575457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1277575467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, I can cross-compile this libc. < 1277575482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a cross-compiler. < 1277575483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, cheats. < 1277575567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking dynamic linker characteristics... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES. < 1277575570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMN YOU < 1277575663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Gentoo appears to have "uclibc patches". I'll look. < 1277575677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for GCC) < 1277576639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... It's trying to bootstrap. < 1277576648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY WOULD YOU BOOTSTRAP A CROSSCOMPILER < 1277576775 0 :Gregor-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1277576778 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the Bible tells it so. < 1277576849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ../../../gcc-4.5.0/libgcc/config/libbid/bid_decimal_globals.c:47:18: fatal error: fenv.h: No such file or directory < 1277576854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how did you manage that? < 1277576883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, two guesses: cross compiling or very very outdated headers < 1277576891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly both < 1277576904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Cross-compiler. < 1277576925 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277576943 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277576944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah. hm either gcc should provide it (like it does for stdarg.h and so on) or the libc should provide it < 1277576947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that header I mean < 1277576967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which < 1277577014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, if you are building a cross toolchain from scratch you probably need to tell gcc where you have newlib or such. At least that was how you did it during 3.x age. Haven't built any more modern gcc as cross compiler < 1277577044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ADdQy.jpg < 1277577086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: GCC comes with newlib. < 1277577095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm separate download iirc? < 1277577111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1277577157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it was during 3.4.x age I'm pretty sure < 1277577159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks < 1277577214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to have any newlib in it < 1277577278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only ./libstdc++-v3/config/os/newlib which just contains some header files: ctype_base.h ctype_inline.h ctype_noninline.h os_defines.h < 1277577349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses. < 1277577351 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../configure --prefix=whatever --target=whatever --with-newlib --disable-libssp --disable-nls --disable-shared --disable-threads --disable-libgomp < 1277577362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you want --build and --host too iirc < 1277577366 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not any more. < 1277577371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, since when? < 1277577373 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: As of GCC 4.2 or so < 1277577373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, GCC figures out the build and host now. < 1277577379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, newfangled stuff ;P < 1277577386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 4.1? 4.0? ECGS? Idonno. < 1277577399 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*EGCS :P ) < 1277577408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also --disable-threads broke stuff for me I remember < 1277577414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot details < 1277577436 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The above flags is the way to get a cross-compiler with no libc installed as of the last time I did that (which was a week ago) < 1277577454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, but it was with an old GCC because the latest GCC doesn't support SVR4 any more >_> < 1277577462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, right. my experience with cross compiling is limited to gcc 3.x as I said < 1277577481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse what my JSMIPS flags are ... < 1277577487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and outdated binutils. Damn them for dropping support for h8300-coff < 1277577506 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same < 1277577531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, binutils-2.16.1 gcc-3.4.6 < 1277577537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some patches < 1277577547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it not ICE < 1277577686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about --enable-target-optspace ? < 1277577701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for embedded I guess < 1277577704 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277577779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not sure what that does ... < 1277577852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, make libgcc and other libraries for the target such use -oS < 1277577858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1277577860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Os < 1277577867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ... that's strictly optional then :P < 1277577903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, not for the thing I was cross compiling to. Without that my stuff wouldn't have fit into the memory of it :P < 1277578381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you know those tiny tiny ultra-cheap rc helicopter things? < 1277578385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really tiny plastic things and awkward controls. < 1277578417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What happens when you strap a $2k digital SLR camera doing full HD video to a $2k remote-controlled helicopter?" --reddit < 1277578417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when you strap a meh digital camera doing regular resolution video to a tiny cheap RC helicopter? < 1277578428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it even fly? It's normally so light and cameras tend to be quite heavy. < 1277578431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that flip HD thing. < 1277578472 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, those tiny cheap RC helicopters are exactly sufficient for lifting themselves. < 1277578483 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the tipping point where they would no longer fly is at about four grams. < 1277578496 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277578514 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277578633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How tiny can you get a video recorder, then? < 1277578636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And light, of course. < 1277578643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also impossible to fly, btw. < 1277578646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even keeping them upright. < 1277578654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, $2k DSLR? < 1277578655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1277578667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It said SLR, not DSLR. < 1277578675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, digital. < 1277578678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital SLR < 1277578679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1277578680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I know nothing of photography. :) < 1277578681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why wtf? < 1277578684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too cheap, too expensive? < 1277578710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were lots of Red Bull signs in the video so it's presumably for an advert which would explain too-expensive. < 1277578711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, sounds quite expensive < 1277578720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, it was a quite professionally done thing. < 1277578727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, could explain it < 1277578731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vimeo.com/12281806 (you need flash, deal with it or miss the awesomeness) < 1277579158 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making nomath.js not retarded = huge speed improvement for JSMIPS! Hooray! < 1277579304 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomath.js is the single worst-named file in existence! Hooray! < 1277579319 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hey < 1277579335 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember sending a link for you when you logread < 1277579337 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comic, i think < 1277579340 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get it? < 1277579345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what does it do? < 1277579346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I already read Pictures for Sad Children. < 1277579352 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1277579354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But thanks for recognising the taste match. :P < 1277579363 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my alisology is accurate < 1277579380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what has happened with the most recent comics. < 1277579395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=346 < 1277579396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=347 < 1277579406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also is the new version up at your website? Oh another thing. Last I tried JSMIPS (about a week ago) "ls bin" took ages because it loaded every file in there. I think your stat() system call needs work < 1277579441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or DOES it < 1277579449 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1277579451 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise :) < 1277579456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It runs vim? Wow. < 1277579458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1277579459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor. < 1277579466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now do "X11 on Canvas". < 1277579487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you're using canvas already. < 1277579492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can easily plot pixels. < 1277579509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Use Xserver (formerly KDrive) and it'll be a lot lighter and more workable. < 1277579520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd just have to write a simple driver that spits out canvasy commands. < 1277579566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1277579574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, will be even slower < 1277579710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But AWESOME. < 1277580221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reappears. < 1277580249 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stat() is straight-up broken. I'm aware and I just don't care. < 1277580269 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: X11 on Canvas might be faster than this vt100 terminal for JS, which is dog-slow :P < 1277580332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Probably, especially if you use Xserver which performs well on small systems and you compile in the driver so it'll load quicker. < 1277580355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Stick in some ultra-minimalist WM like dwm or ratpoison and you're done. < 1277580369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next steps: lynx, irssi. :-) < 1277580409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm still working on making the way that it USES nomath.js be less retarded. < 1277580427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and AnMaster: No, the version on codu.org/jsmips is actually wildly out of date. < 1277580440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1277580483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Would it be possible to run MIPS Linux on it? :P < 1277580497 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's not a full-system simulator, it's just a ISA simulator. < 1277580502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1277580513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what more do you really need, apart from keyboard/mouse ports? < 1277580630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, update it soon :) < 1277580636 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have no idea ;P < 1277580664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so what does nomath do? < 1277580679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, MMU I presume < 1277580680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do math. < 1277580685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs an MMU. < 1277580687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use uClinux. < 1277580688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, linux < 1277580696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works yeah < 1277580701 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomath is the worst-named file ever. < 1277580708 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomath is Non-Overflowing MATH < 1277580712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1277580714 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it actually implements overflowing math. < 1277580719 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's doubly-badly-named. < 1277580720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you still need to emulate stuff like control registers for the kernel to fiddle with. < 1277580733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, while with user space only you can just handwave that away < 1277580790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.icanhasinternets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/popicon9.jpg < 1277580844 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, 'struth. < 1277580847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no buses :P < 1277580854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double-decker buses. < 1277580867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about taxis? < 1277580899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're all terrible human beings. < 1277580904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.icanhasinternets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/popicon9.jpg <-- that line very much lacks context... Please add some < 1277580915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Look closer. < 1277580926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ground may help. < 1277580931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the left. Beside the tree. < 1277580936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1277580947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about the bird though? < 1277580959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is just a bird; not sure though. < 1277580988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, doing Yoshi as a horse is strange. < 1277580999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the wild west, man. < 1277581009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but it looks so strange < 1277581089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, I don't get iwc today at all.. < 1277581564 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serron's point is that since Paris was the sole survivor, she should be the only one /not/ having a panic attack < 1277581605 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since, if things go the way they did then, she'll be the one surviving again, whereas the others will die. < 1277581609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh < 1277581629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why is "she's" italics and wtf about the annotation then < 1277581650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1277581652 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"She's" is emphasized. < 1277581655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it has been mentioned before < 1277581669 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "why is /she/ the one who's having a panic attack" < 1277581695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right I was considering if it was something about forgetting gender of Paris at first. < 1277581702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I got all confused about it < 1277581708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that made no sense < 1277581732 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about her crashing that ship in her youth < 1277581735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1277581746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it *has* been mentioned before < 1277581765 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The annotation suggests not < 1277581796 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically there'd be a link to the previous mention in cases like this < 1277581804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed. < 1277581811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there had been it would have been all clear < 1277581825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4+7+4 < 1277581828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4+9+4 < 1277581833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3+4+4 < 1277581838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+9+4 < 1277581841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I didn't remember you read iwc regularly < 1277581842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+7+9 < 1277581845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the next entry in the sequence? < 1277581869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 2. It overflowed on this strange architecture ;) < 1277581891 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Maybe you didn't know. < 1277581899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, possibly < 1277581925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?t=4941&sid=896a484b493d46f242a222f29dd12ec6 suggests it is a combination of that you mentioned and that I considered < 1277581931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha thinks a possible closed form of 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, ... is < 1277581936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a_n = 1/6 ((-1)^n-2 (1/2-(i sqrt(3))/2)^n-2 i sqrt(3) (1/2-(i sqrt(3))/2)^n-2 (1/2+(i sqrt(3))/2)^n+2 i sqrt(3) (1/2+(i sqrt(3))/2)^n+15) < 1277581948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, rather verbose < 1277581954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It predicts the next entry in the sequence is < 1277581955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/6 (14-2 (1/2-(i sqrt(3))/2)-2 i sqrt(3) (1/2-(i sqrt(3))/2)-2 (1/2+(i sqrt(3))/2)+2 i sqrt(3) (1/2+(i sqrt(3))/2)),1/6 (16-2 (1/2-(i sqrt(3))/2)^2-2 i sqrt(3) (1/2-(i sqrt(3))/2)^2-2 (1/2+(i sqrt(3))/2)^2+2 i sqrt(3) (1/2+(i sqrt(3))/2)^2),1/6 (14-2 (1/2-(i sqrt(3))/2)^3-2 i sqrt(3) (1/2-(i sqrt(3))/2)^3-2 (1/2+(i sqrt(3))/2)^3+2 i sqrt(3) (1/2+(i sqrt(3))/2)^3) < 1277581963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is it correct? < 1277581969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the next entry is 3. < 1277581971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I remembered that she was a she so I didn't even consider it :-P < 1277581986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed I remembered that too < 1277581993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and was all confused by the italics thus < 1277582018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, she doesn't look like a she. < 1277582026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *she* as in *her personality* < 1277582106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1277582110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs < 1277582169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1277582749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'll never see a line from an irc server longer than 512 chars, right? < 1277582754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that just privmsg body < 1277582792 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the limit 254 or something? < 1277582894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sounds like topic limit or such < 1277582895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1277582907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's definitely 500-odd < 1277582912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well you could see. but you shouldn't. But in practise I seen it < 1277582928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fuck practice, Freenode uber alles :P < 1277582940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I wouldn't crash on it though < 1277582954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just end up interpreting it as two lines, one of them meaningless, I think < 1277582957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who really cares? < 1277582958 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC messages are always lines of characters terminated with a CR-LF (Carriage Return - Line Feed) pair, and these messages shall not exceed 512 characters in length, counting all characters including the trailing CR-LF. Thus, there are 510 characters maximum allowed for the command and its parameters. < 1277582960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just something you don't do. You don't crash on malformed input < 1277582963 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- RFC 1459 < 1277582971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You do if you're a lazy fucker. < 1277582990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I guess I'm not. < 1277583036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, besides it might be tricky to pick stuff up on some systems if you crash on bad input. Like you need JTAG to fix it or such < 1277583065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode doesn't do it, and that's all I really care about. < 1277583115 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you steal a golden idol from your parents' house after coveting your neighbor's wife on the sabbath ... well, you're just plain screwed. < 1277583136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define OR_DIE ; if (errno) { perror("Error"); exit(1); } < 1277583184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe throw some __FILE__, __LINE__ in there < 1277583195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wut < 1277583197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Pfft! Ideally I'd get the function name but that's impossible. < 1277583206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's this religion. called christianity < 1277583210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have heard of it < 1277583211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't GCC support __FUNCTION__? < 1277583238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't know it's contradictory holy book word by word... < 1277583252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems strange to special case combining those < 1277583261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a parody :P < 1277583262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can fopen handle ~ expansion? iirc it can't. < 1277583295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but the shell would do that for you < 1277583301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for command line < 1277583309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, my config file enforces a rigid order. < 1277583312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Well Who Cares. < 1277583361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? I should just use a scripting language. < 1277583362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C sucks. < 1277583370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway using getline() or fgets() isn't a lot more complicated than gets(). Or a lazy non-gnu way would be fgets() with 513 char buffer (512 + ending \0) and then instead of growing buffer or just just exiting with error < 1277583377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the line is longer < 1277583378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using fgets. < 1277583382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a fixed buffer. < 1277583385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's fine then < 1277583396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And breaking whenever the server breaks the RFC :P < 1277583405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have nothing against that < 1277583413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is *crashing* that I'm specifically against < 1277583431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a 511 char buffer and ignore the last \r\n < 1277583433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't crash, it'd just probably print some things to the log along the lines of "WTF kind of command is 'and this is more words of the too-long line'?". < 1277583436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's the difference between exploding or shutting down basically < 1277583518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems botte's structure is becoming *very* UNIXy. < 1277583531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inside ~ (which is not necessarily anyone's home directory in botte, we just set HOME to make things easier), we have: < 1277583537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/bin/command_name < 1277583539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/etc/botte.conf < 1277583543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/sys/botte.[whateverlangitis] < 1277583554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also things like ~/var/quotes, ~/var/karma. < 1277583559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/etc/extremely_complex_plugin.conf. < 1277583579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure where the "run these all the time so they can scan for things like foo++ or foo-- in any message" stuff will go. < 1277583581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe ~/daemons. < 1277583603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sbin? < 1277583609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Services Binaries < 1277583609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. That's ludicrous. < 1277583623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of superuser binaries) < 1277583628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm allowed ~/sys because dammit, Linux took it away from Plan 9 which used it for system source. < 1277583650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"took it away"? < 1277583657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By using it for the kernel stuff. < 1277583658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why wouldn't both be allowed to use it < 1277583669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most people would say "hey, that's not what /sys means". < 1277583673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for different things even < 1277583675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF LINUS 'EVIL' TORVALDS. < 1277583677 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than use syslogd, everything should just write to /sys/log < 1277583681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, I think late Unix did it too. < 1277583685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ... < 1277583698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard 'Goat-Raper' Stallman. < 1277583698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION renames /home on alise's computer to "Documents And Settings" < 1277583735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eric 'Sexy' Steven 'You Can Call Me Eric "Sexy" Steven "Saucy" Raymond, Linus' Raymond < 1277583740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway no one claimed linux was plan9, it seems perfectly fine to use the same directory name for different things on different unrelated systems! < 1277583741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1277583750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but dammit late unix did it too < 1277583756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LINUX: UNIX LIKE? MORE LIKE UNIX HATE AND UNIX RAPE < 1277583757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and? < 1277583757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|| < 1277583765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you're actually taking me seriously. < 1277583767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1277583767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How stupid are you? < 1277583788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not stupid, but this was exactly the same tone as you use when you rant about stuff like file systems < 1277583795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting you weren't serious then? < 1277583797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or about fonts < 1277583800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ain't no country I ever heard of. They speak English in what? < 1277583819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please, please, please say "what?".) < 1277583826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1277583834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh well.) < 1277583838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT? < 1277583846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, det beror på < 1277583865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you know what I'm saying! < 1277583867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Describe what Linus Torvalds looks like! < 1277583867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I agree the English are motherfuckers ;P < 1277583898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say the again. SAY THE AGAIN. I dare you, I double dare you, motherfucker. Say the one more goddamn time. < 1277583899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I only seen an image on wikipedia. Somewhat fat. Light/blond hair iirc < 1277583902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is about all < 1277583903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm having to improvise here...) < 1277583906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember more < 1277583911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Does he look like a bitch? < 1277583926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no he doesn't look like a female dog. < 1277583937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, you were meant to say "the" at least once in that sentence. < 1277583956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1277583970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just stop quoting Pulp Fiction. < 1277583980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh I thought you had gone mad < 1277583991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more mad than usual I mean < 1277583996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's this quote: http://pastie.org/1020189.txt?key=es9lvqgblsbkroywcnvs1q < 1277584051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Someone trolling another person. < 1277584060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it looks like to me < 1277584062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... it's from a film. < 1277584077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1277584078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1277584095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay I guess you have to know about that movie for it to make sense < 1277584119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, det beror på < 1277584119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Then you know what I'm saying! < 1277584124 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1277584124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that didn't work ;P < 1277584133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, translation of my line: "That depends." < 1277584136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czb4jn5y94g < 1277584139 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now updating my binutils/GCC patches to work on the latest versions ... < 1277584139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scene < 1277584253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Will you ... what was I going to say ... the of the and it & of < 1277584257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you update the system.html thing? < 1277584284 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will maybe later today probably. < 1277584298 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to build the latest version of everything first :P < 1277584302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, makes no senee < 1277584303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense* < 1277584322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What, exactly, makes no sense? < 1277584327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, video < 1277584335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part, exactly, makes no sens? < 1277584565 0 :Rafajafar!~chatzilla@pool-96-255-139-175.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1277584568 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup ladies < 1277584712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1277584715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is it "a historic" or "an historic" < 1277584717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very low lady content in here < 1277584720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil to be precise < 1277584727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Depends on your dialect. < 1277584730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write "a historic". < 1277584738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pronounce the 'h', it's "a". If not, it's "an". < 1277584744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which dialects use "an" there? < 1277584750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it sounds like "an istoric" when you pronounce "an historic", write that. < 1277584752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some example < 1277584756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, write "a historic". < 1277584761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure. < 1277584768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Received Pronunciation definitely says "a historic". < 1277584802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1277584813 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_fricatives_and_affricates#H-dropping < 1277584836 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst are the people who say "an" and pronounce the h < 1277584837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "A historic" is certainly much more common. < 1277584846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "an historic" sounds AWFUL to people who don't mentally pronounce the 'h'. < 1277584850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, truly awful. "An hero" level. < 1277584862 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is a consonant sound, dammi < 1277584872 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: s/don't/do/ surely? < 1277584878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, yes. < 1277584879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OTOH, it is almost universally "an honour killing". < 1277584889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which disproves Cu's saying, unless he says "HHHHonour killing". < 1277584895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoxford. < 1277584896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and "an hour" < 1277584901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Indeed. < 1277584905 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words borrowed from French frequently begin with the letter h but not with the sound /h/. Examples include hour, heir, hono(u)r and honest. < 1277584907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An' our time has surely come! < 1277584914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that was a double pun. < 1277584921 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some cases, spelling pronunciation has introduced the sound /h/ into such words, as in humble, hotel and (for most speakers) historic. < 1277584931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, excepts in american english? < 1277584933 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because h has no sound in French < 1277584937 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1277584939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except* < 1277584943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but the French are dirty and unwashed < 1277584945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who cares < 1277584949 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the h is silent, an is fine < 1277584961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, their food usually taste better than English food though < 1277584966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just read the section I linked... < 1277584972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nobody in England likes English food. < 1277584977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a bunch of faux-ethnic dishes instead. < 1277584986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well actually scones is quite nice? < 1277584988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, we pretty much invented "'chinese' food". < 1277584991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that is faux too? < 1277584994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: We're good at bakey stuff. < 1277585001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scones, English muffins, crumpets, and so on. < 1277585001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, except cakes. < 1277585003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual meals we suck at. < 1277585008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Eh? < 1277585011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with cakes? < 1277585021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, your ones are often dry in my experience < 1277585024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have you know I'm a wonderful cake maker. < 1277585027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh. Only bad ones. < 1277585033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1277585036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always make them rich and moist I'll have you know :| < 1277585044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert bland innuendo... < 1277585058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, of course, I can only speak from the experience I have. And that has been English cakes = dry < 1277585078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd mail a piece of cake, except you don't deserve cake. < 1277585081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course that is not a large enough study to cover every case < 1277585093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it would be dry and mashed by the time it arrived < 1277585102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least knowing Swedish postal service < 1277585112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, just put it in a blender and DRINK THE CAKE! < 1277585201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but does it blend!? < 1277585215 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1277585220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder if that site is still around < 1277585263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1277585270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hugely popular promotional site. Those don't disappear. < 1277585285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how Agora's ruleset is maintained in RCS. < 1277585288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did they ever find stuff that didn't blend? < 1277585296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since 2001, anyway. < 1277585312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nope. < 1277585370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I guess if they did they wouldn't publish it < 1277585388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I would suggest trying a crowbar or such < 1277585393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that won't blend < 1277585544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write Agora an anthem. < 1277585549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1277585713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, (1,99] <-- is this interval half-closed or half-open? < 1277585779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Both. < 1277585788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed = 1-open, open = 1-closed. < 1277585791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-0.5 = 0.5. < 1277585816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm strange I get weird ping reply times from you alise. -1277582170.2 seconds... < 1277585825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is *almost* epoch (just checked) < 1277585854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the wrong way < 1277586050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just XChat... < 1277586229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1277586239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay strange, now it works < 1277586269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Ping reply from alise: 0.82 seconds < 1277586607 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1277586731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523! < 1277586735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reregistered in Agora. < 1277586742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alise < 1277586754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I'm pretty sure I did now < 1277586760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i needed to < 1277586764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the lists are listening to me, though < 1277586767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no you didn't, unless you did it only a few seconds ago and the message hasn't arrived yet < 1277586774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, it didn't actually set my email back < 1277586863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there < 1277586875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for the email to arrive < 1277586891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, three came at once < 1277586896 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello netout. < 1277586910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I just resent them for the second time < 1277586913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, resent < 1277586937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might also want "I become active" < 1277586951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still cracking up at "making an ass out of you and umption", I'm so annoying :P < 1277586970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you call CFJs while inactive? < 1277587016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not I'll have to recall it < 1277587025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can < 1277587031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even call CFJs while not a player < 1277587041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooble does so frequently when eir registration status is in doubt < 1277587121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how could your registration status be in doubt? < 1277587138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you might have deliberately tried to make it ambiguous < 1277587212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: perhaps you've been exiled but think there's a bug in the exile rules, for instance < 1277587258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently the problem was that the Registrar wasn't paying attention to the lists < 1277587502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1277587510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1277587556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where you buy desiccant silca btw < 1277587596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.macropackaging.co.uk/1gramsilicagelsachetspouchesdesiccantnew-p-196.html < 1277587639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277587697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have sole silca here in an ESD plastic bag with small holes. From some harddrive packaging < 1277587725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of package for it might be tricky to find. Anyway I would be more interested in silca in bulk, not pre-packaged < 1277587729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what I was considering < 1277587740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes googling < 1277587862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want bulk dessicant silica? < 1277587877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't some sort of insane esolang, is it? < 1277587879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time the cat tries to eat something it shouldn't, we tend to say "SILICA GEL - DO NOT EAT" to it. It doesn't help much. < 1277588078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no. but that is a nice idea < 1277588088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, computing by absorbing water < 1277588092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1277588142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could make a very balanced scale such that it tipped over when you had absorbed enough water < 1277588152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus closing an electrical circuit < 1277588164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, think that would work? < 1277588189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1277588192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems rather irreversible < 1277588197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need some way to drain the silica too < 1277588203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can restore it by heating it quite a bit iirc < 1277588220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah 120 C < 1277588228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 2 hours < 1277588237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY slow computing < 1277588347 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277589195 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1277589350 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1277590634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in ~20 mins. < 1277590749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious question I need for my day job: does anyone here know a remotely efficient algorithm for topologicals sort that works even if there are cycles in the input? < 1277590760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, infers a total preorder from a partial preorder, rather than a total order from a partial order < 1277590767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*topological sort < 1277590927 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As in, cycles can be sorted any way, but rest must follow topological order? < 1277590933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1277590943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: no, as in cycles are marked as equal to each other < 1277590960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the input's a the issue is that you can't really use one without the otehr < 1277593669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's work on that but eh < 1277593802 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, this page is already going to be fragile :/ < 1277593856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can you make it an exe?" < 1277594127 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, a bit of decency is required for my sanity. Too much work if I don't make another function < 1277594286 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the denizens of this channel won't gang up and kill me now < 1277594394 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caja_project < 1277594626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and? < 1277594673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The FBI failed to break the encryption code of hard drives seized by federal police at the apartment of banker Daniel Dantas, in Rio de Janeiro, during Operation Satyagraha." < 1277594681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh, TrueCrypt isn't breakable by the FBI for an investigation. < 1277594683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's astonishing! < 1277594690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FBI are magicians who can break any encryption. < 1277594710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they'd reveal it if they could break it. Totally! < 1277595056 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kevlindev.com/tutorials/javascript/inheritance/index.htm good tutorial or bad tutorial? < 1277595164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is my Javascript inheritance tutorial: < 1277595170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no inheritance. Stop thinking about inheritance. < 1277595177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can extend objects. < 1277595179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no inheritance. < 1277595197 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the pages explanation of new? < 1277595201 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page's < 1277595203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that decent? < 1277595252 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's kinda correct < 1277595258 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no built-in inheritance < 1277595283 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can extend javascript to have a kind of inheritance, like the Prototype framework did < 1277595353 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to clarify more... ECMAScript standards have inheritance now... but javascript hasn't changed much in 10-12 years, so it doesnt have the newer schema < 1277595366 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActionScript does, and it most definetely has inheritance < 1277595454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar: *but* class-based javascript is basically sin. < 1277595464 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I dont believe in sin < 1277595464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prototype is pretty awful. < 1277595472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar: you knew what i meant. < 1277595475 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prototype has one major flaw < 1277595480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one major flaw, it sucks < 1277595483 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you knew what I meant < 1277595486 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar, so what do you call code that uses gotos for all flow control? < 1277595489 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: stay constructive, dont be a twat < 1277595495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a twat by nature < 1277595505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not particularly trying to have a productive discussion :p < 1277595507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar, what's Prototype's "one major flaw"? < 1277595523 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that if you change an element, it removes it from the DOM and replaces it < 1277595537 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning if you expect in-place editing, you wont get it < 1277595550 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has problems if you have to go outside their framework for registering event handlers < 1277595595 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I call code that uses gotos for all flow control another way to do things.... assembly basically works that way, yanno. < 1277595618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call BANCStar? < 1277595626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using INTERCAL for vital business code? < 1277595651 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript's automatic semicolon insertion? < 1277595652 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1277595665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be opinionated. Unopinionated people just let cruft and evil perpetuate with their over-tolerance. < 1277595682 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is opinionated SIR! < 1277595685 0 :Cu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1277595697 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, I think you're confused < 1277595704 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have opinions < 1277595708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or doooo you < 1277595714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to stop saying that. < 1277595716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return\n{ is semantically different fro return { < 1277595717 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll roll my eyes and go "that's not the way *I* would do it < 1277595731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar: so basically you're passive-aggressive rather than aggressive < 1277595733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really better :P < 1277595744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: as in python. < 1277595744 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I dont see that as being either of those things < 1277595792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i counter that opinionated people sometimes perpetuate cruft and evil by narrow-mindedly ignoring possible compromises < 1277595794 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1277595795 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there are no sins.... only mistakes. < 1277595812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well opinionated != religiously opinionated < 1277595821 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my issue with absolutes is that if you say it's ALWAYS wrong, as in a sin, you miss an opportunity when it's not wrong < 1277595823 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with Python, newline is the default and well know statement terminator < 1277595823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinionated != zealoutous, rather. < 1277595831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *known < 1277595842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar: By chance are you a centrist? < 1277595861 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1277595866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Odd. < 1277595871 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not < 1277595876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C++ FAQ has something about "evil", where "evil" does not mean "never do it" < 1277595888 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinions are views are MINE < 1277595904 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1277595929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : My opinions are views are MINE <-- wut < 1277595944 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I feel very strongly about them, but in the same way I dont want a Mormon coming to my door tellnig me about Indian Jesus and beating me over the head with his free book of fables, I dont want to go around preaching my views to those who differ in a way that makes them seem ABSOLUTELY wrong < 1277595958 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first are = and < 1277595959 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1277595973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a strong religious opinion against being opinionated. argh. < 1277595976 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to think three or four words ahead of what I'm currently typing < 1277595988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not even really joking) < 1277596000 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddism? < 1277596043 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1277596044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really. something new age. < 1277596072 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you commit the sin of absolutism, you've ended all discussion (which is an absolutist statement that I abhor) < 1277596085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*buddhism < 1277596099 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1277596101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're getting dangerously ideological here for someone expressing an anti-ideological viewpoint. < 1277596109 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*alease < 1277596119 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Welcome back, o great Penguin :) < 1277596122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not "buddism". < 1277596126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ...Penguin? < 1277596135 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the gods, of course < 1277596142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right; that. < 1277596154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer you called me the Penguin Formerly Known as Godot. :-) < 1277596160 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not preaching anti-ideologicalism because I am not telling you you're wrong... I just said there is no sin, and left it at that. < 1277596179 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stated MY opinion, which you are free to disagree with < 1277596180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar: Indeed, but the discussion that came after... < 1277596194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not arguing with you, you know. < 1277596199 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked for more explaination, actually no, you made wild accusations about who I am and what I am < 1277596227 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which prompted me to explain < 1277596229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall any "wild accusations", merely joking speculation. < 1277596230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, you're getting dangerously ideological here for someone expressing an anti-ideological viewpoint. <-- i think that's an intrinsic psychological danger of debate/discussion < 1277596231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chill. < 1277596251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it also partly demonstrates why i think strong (ha!) anti-ideological...ism is a bad thing :) < 1277596259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really do try not to be a zealot these days though < 1277596271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1277596278 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must have missed that >:D < 1277596285 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it moral to use innerHTML? < 1277596289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when there's no HTML? < 1277596290 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just pooped a little < 1277596293 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To display a result? < 1277596300 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it is always immoral < 1277596301 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the DOM < 1277596313 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, how do I display text in a DIV? < 1277596324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar: now i'm starting to wonder how many people use irc from the toilet < 1277596333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ignore coppro < 1277596336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's just a quick hack use innerhtml < 1277596339 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :element.innerHTML < 1277596340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the dom is any cleaner :-D < 1277596352 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dont know what's going to be in the div < 1277596355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, making it easy to select all might be helpful any.. no it won't < 1277596357 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use innerHRML < 1277596358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- but seriously, the DOM is a serious bitch, unless you're making this thing cleanly and pristinely just use innerHTML. < 1277596359 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML < 1277596373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone now needs to invent HRML < 1277596380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human Relations Markup Language < 1277596380 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using some sort of library? < 1277596389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy Racists Markup Language < 1277596393 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just plaintext, I could easily make it an input box < 1277596397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hhhhhh Rrrrrrr Markup Language < 1277596400 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horny Rabbits Makeout Lapdance < 1277596410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever, it doesn't really matter < 1277596446 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I really suggest you use a framework for javascript... the raw language is rather lacking... especially if you're trying to deal with cross browser compatability < 1277596455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it'll be easier just to use jquery < 1277596458 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1277596460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the kind of thing you are most likely doing < 1277596465 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jquery, prototype, dojo...etc < 1277596467 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mootools < 1277596469 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something < 1277596479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jQuery. :P < 1277596480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, simple math and string manipulation? < 1277596488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and, clearly, DOM work, based on your questions. < 1277596498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jQuery is just like a few k anyway and it doesn't replace your ordinary javascript < 1277596507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just lets you do things like $("p.foo").addClass("bar").hide(); < 1277596509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, read what I said: I just want to display plaintext < 1277596517 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used them all, I can say that if I'm doing any UI work, jQuery is still in its infancy stage whereas Dojo is totally off the charts awesome < 1277596527 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UIs scare me < 1277596528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar: Yeah, but JavaScript UI work is ... sin. < 1277596538 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh? < 1277596540 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagree < 1277596544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Web 3.0 and its crappy imitations of desktop apps :P < 1277596555 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raitme.com < 1277596558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail, good use of web stuff. things like roundcube, awful useless crap. < 1277596563 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on this site (dont hack it yet) < 1277596563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and zimba) < 1277596577 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this uses jQueryUI as an experiment < 1277596581 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might keep it < 1277596589 0 :alise_!~alise@91.105.75.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1277596593 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it's not bad... loads only the info it needs < 1277596598 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rafajafar: ok, so this is like reddit except it freezes my browser when i load it. < 1277596603 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see the appeal < 1277596607 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what browser? < 1277596616 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're...linux firefox? < 1277596619 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/o flash? < 1277596625 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with flash < 1277596629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't depend on flash kthx < 1277596636 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox 3.6, arch linux, quite low-spec machine but unless you're using hundreds of megs of ram and filling up the two cores there's no excuse to be so slow :P < 1277596651 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 gig ram total... but i have plenty free) < 1277596655 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One game I like uses Flash only to play sounds, and that causes it to freeze at some points < 1277596655 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um it has music players in it, until HTML5 is worth a damn six years from now.... Flash is the only option < 1277596666 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 ... works < 1277596669 0 :Rafajafar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no one else has that problem < 1277596671 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :