< 1276819238 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay fine back to medical talk. < 1276819255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you managed to kill both subjects < 1276819262 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1276819320 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you have any other strangeness apart from that food stuff? In comparison I am very boring illness wise. < 1276819345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: probably, but people tend to seem commonplace to themselves < 1276819353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes have trouble standing up < 1276819358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I'm permanently drunk < 1276819365 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1276819366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, with apparently normal household obstacles like doors < 1276819369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprisingly bad with doors < 1276819388 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you just... Walk into them? < 1276819404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally it's taking multiple tries to open or close them < 1276819412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try three times to close a door, fail, and then look at it sadly for a while < 1276819439 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my kidneys looked at with ultrasound a couple of days ago < 1276819452 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I cracked up at the looking sadly bit < 1276819601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I was going for amusement value < 1276819604 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god the euro symbol is the quake ii logo on its side < 1276819608 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PANIC < 1276819659 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably my cue to sleep. < 1276819663 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye guys. < 1276819667 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk soon. < 1276819670 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye ehirdiphone < 1276819672 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Stop me if I'm going to far, but how does one fail to close a door? < 1276819674 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by ehirdiphone < 1276819682 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to far! < 1276819685 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, UserFriendly did it < 1276819685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1276819691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: by failing to push it hard enough < 1276819693 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for the answer first
< 1276819694 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/to/too/ s/by/bye/ < 1276819694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sometimes, pushing it so hard it bounces < 1276819698 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1276819698 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: XD < 1276819704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a lot that you can do wrong closing a door, but I manage it sometimes < 1276819717 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh. I was imagining silly things like getting your hand caught in it or something < 1276819722 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*push* [swing] ... *push* < 1276819728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: it's happened < 1276819746 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing to close a door can happen to anyone not familiar with the weight of the door in question < 1276819750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if after the first push, you're too far from the door to reach it and have to run back to it to try again < 1276819750 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tends to always fidget with something in his hands
< 1276819756 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're meant to walk it closed after you start pushing :P < 1276819772 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've done that! < 1276819773 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1276819777 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info < 1276819813 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has locked himself in his room
< 1276819820 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The refrigerator in myself is quite tricky to close, actually < 1276819822 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Not now. In the past] < 1276819824 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*my house < 1276819828 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where that came from < 1276819891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once injured myself on a set of stairs by taking the turn where they changed direction too tightly and walking into the handrail < 1276819927 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds something like what I'd do if I was being silly < 1276819966 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also re: standing up. I think this is normal but I'm prone to bouts of dizziness from standing after sitting or lying down for a while (never in mornings, curiously enough). I've fallen from this before. < 1276819972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, it was just not paying attention < 1276819978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, that is normal < 1276819986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to do with the blood distribution in the body < 1276819994 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad enough that you fall? < 1276820006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you can take a few steps to stay upright < 1276820009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hold onto a wall or something < 1276820022 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have looked hilariously stupid < 1276820096 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fridge door here is curious in that it is very difficult to open for about 5 seconds immediately after it has been closed, if it has been open for more than a second or two. < 1276820136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timelocked fridge? < 1276820150 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1276820153 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *feels* like some sort of pressure thing, but I don't really know how it happens. < 1276820202 0 :ehirdiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276820207 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hell; some two minutes more. < 1276820215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does open if enough force is applied, but the amount of necessary pulling is a lot higher than the "ground state" of door-opening after it's been closed for a sufficient length of time. < 1276820225 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fridge has double doors; there's no pillar in the middle so they have a creative sliding seal on the left hand door, which means that if the right-hand door is closed, it requires significant force to close all the way. If the other door is open, or whenever closing said other door, a light tap will do < 1276820228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: It's still all about doors here. < 1276820257 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-203-81.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276820593 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1276820627 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, what about a 2-d esolang where the flow control is in the form of doors? < 1276820718 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. ais523 would just look at it sadly for a while. < 1276820739 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1276820765 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, what if you had multiple IPs and you could decide what they did when confronted with a door? < 1276820777 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good reason to grow a beard: making it into an orphanage! < 1276820779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: probably better to add it to the quotes file rather than parrot it in the channel forever < 1276820782 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the other aspect of flow control would be what a given IP does in a situation < 1276820786 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Meh < 1276820792 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a new unmemw < 1276820796 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unmemw < 1276820803 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unmemw < 1276820810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is up with that correction? < 1276820819 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY HAVE YOU LEARNED THAT WORD COMPUTER < 1276820821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is you mean "unmeme", and your keyboard is incapable of typing it for some reason < 1276820823 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1276820843 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an iphone; it has autospellcheck < 1276820854 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I declined it's first correction accidentally so it's now convinced unmemw is a word. < 1276820864 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas unmeme is not. < 1276820870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there's some way to correct it? < 1276820875 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously there is < 1276820882 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but... < 1276820893 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so easy to forgit! < 1276820897 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forgit < 1276820902 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forgit < 1276820909 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forget or *forge it? < 1276820918 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fungus < 1276820921 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fondue < 1276820931 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*famine < 1276820939 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*felectric < 1276820948 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fbetternatethanlever < 1276820953 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forget < 1276820957 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally! < 1276820960 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1276821013 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye for real now. Do not say anything of interest! < 1276821044 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a common joke that would normally be inserted here, and I'm the sort that does it, but I won't. < 1276821045 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1276821056 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What joke? < 1276821069 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look what you've done! < 1276821091 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anything of interest" literally? < 1276821096 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1276821103 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELL ME MUST KNOW THIRST ARGH < 1276821105 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay bye < 1276821109 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess I didn't say it. I'm shutting up now, bye. < 1276821117 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: that's a long way to tip a rarie < 1276821168 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1276821207 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1088893966.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1276821558 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1276822195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276824486 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276824515 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-140-214.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276824520 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1276824570 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question < 1276824608 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have there ever been any "case based" programming languages? In the same way as spoken languages can be case based. < 1276824769 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the case sensitivity of most modern languages count? < 1276824798 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the different between an upper-cased and lower-cased name in Haskell? < 1276824869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other ML-likes are similar in that sensitivity < 1276824880 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like Erlang) < 1276824958 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the best cut pizza I've had in a long time < 1276825071 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm at an internship. I didn't bring all my hats. < 1276826005 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276826007 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_case < 1276826010 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This kind of case. < 1276826606 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276827413 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h248.61.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276827512 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1276827626 0 :charlls!~charlls@190.140.73.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276827691 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1276828472 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1276828482 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h109.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276828951 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h116.57.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276829048 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276829221 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276829339 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h36.6.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276830001 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1276830302 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-203-81.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276831213 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276832576 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276832624 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1276835268 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1276837886 0 :secretum!~secretum@66.244.99.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276837964 0 :secretum!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1276838171 0 :req!~req@cpe-76-183-163-74.tx.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276838380 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276838536 0 :req!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276838759 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1276839021 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-89-45.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1276842166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shitnizzles. < 1276842179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Youtube comments in Japanese are intelligent*. < 1276842690 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276842724 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276842980 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-96-162-48.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276843754 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was fun. NOw I have to sleep < 1276843756 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1276844561 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1276847530 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1276847999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1276848000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1276848002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276848048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276848665 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1276848895 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276849026 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1276851277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects Gregor and oklopol will enjoy http://i.imgur.com/WXNmF.jpg
< 1276851455 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1276851815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on reddit was nice enough to record it: http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/i.imgur.com/WXNmF.jpg < 1276851894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION closes the tab just in time to avoid his brain creeping out
< 1276851902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crawling < 1276851916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it creeped out long ago < 1276856568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1276857274 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1276859944 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I'm using NO SCRIPT WHATSOEVER - Download it at file:///dev/null < 1276862264 0 :hiato!~nine@41-132-143-87.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1276867322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276867912 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276867920 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276868138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to run FlightGear again.
< 1276868143 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MAY NOT RETURN. < 1276868169 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pulseaudio and Compiz off... < 1276868179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox closed... < 1276868205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start fgrun... < 1276868222 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Launch from EGPH... < 1276868233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRAY. < 1276868331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works! < 1276868592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I'm at an internship. I didn't bring all my hats. <-- you should have bought the pirate style one! < 1276868619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1276869072 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hats...? < 1276869156 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's a silly furry love to say < 1276869165 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: o mai < 1276869178 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a silly buddhist furry robot love to say? < 1276869183 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: om ai < 1276869186 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1276869576 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-7-6.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276870630 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276870754 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276872611 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-202-45.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276873231 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1276873232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, what? < 1276873296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, how does "furry" come into that? < 1276873318 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"o mai" is a rather common thing for murry fur boys to say < 1276873335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :murry? ;P < 1276873350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that typo I conclude you are not using qwerty < 1276873365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(m is a long way from f) < 1276874392 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276875243 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Todo item that I'll never have time for: Hack Pidgin to fetch the log as far back as the last-seen message, and format it in the chat window. < 1276876191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you use pidgin for irc? < 1276876205 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I connect telepathically. < 1276876215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I heard it is quite horrible for irc. < 1276876224 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works. < 1276876228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to a "dedicated" irc client like irssi, xchat and so on < 1276876238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm how many channels are you on? Roughly < 1276876264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone said it worked okayish for less than 10 channels or such. < 1276876281 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than 10. Only one is IRC. < 1276876284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276876507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man... There are school libraries that have banned "The Chronicles of Narnia" under the belief that it's Satanic. < 1276876515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Never mind that Aslan is literally Jesus. < 1276876541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found narnia overly religious. Especially the last book. < 1276876556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, being religious was the damned point. < 1276876586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first and last books more-so than the rest. < 1276876621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lessee... The Gospel and the end of the world... Yeah, that's going to be a bit much.) < 1276877066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the books in between however were quite okay. < 1276877091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. The religious analogs were still there, but significantly less so... < 1276877102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1276877110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making CS Lewis actually write well. :P < 1276877153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he really is a decent writer when he's not hitting you over the head with a very thick hardcover Bible.) < 1276877159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, can Lewis be both first name and family name? < 1276877167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1276877174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains some stuff < 1276877189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's more commonly spelt "Louis" as a first name. < 1276877206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1276877212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw I recently noticed that strangely enough English doesn't have any adjective for "having a cold". < 1276877233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's many individual words that English lacks. < 1276877244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, doesn't the author of Alice in Wonderland spell it Lewis or something like that? < 1276877246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are really, really fond of making phrases. < 1276877253 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lewis Carol? Yeah. < 1276877258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, that's a pen name. < 1276877265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes that sounds familiar < 1276877304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real name is Charles Lutwidge Dodgson. < 1276877325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm English is rather poor when it comes to something like the Swedish concatenation "genomförkyld" (concatenation of "genom" [through] and "förkyld" [adjective for having a cold]) < 1276877346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coldhaving < 1276877347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam. < 1276877350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1276877371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though little *used*, English is quite capable of concatenating just like the other Germanic languages. < 1276877384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but that doesn't express the "through" bit, which is used to indicate "having a bad cold" in this case < 1276877387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame the Normans. < 1276877422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is used as a "strengthening" prefix I guess you could say < 1276877430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badcoldhaving? < 1276877433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1276877440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds rather awkward though < 1276877452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it'd be more commonly written as something like bad-cold-having. < 1276877456 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at Chrome slowing his computer down beyond all belief
< 1276877476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which sounds awkward as well, though it looks slightly less awkward < 1276877481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not particularly. < 1276877502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not particularly" wrt. which part? sounding or looking? < 1276877509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you're most likely to just end up with a longer phrase... < 1276877511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounding. < 1276877513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276877538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah. It'd probably be said more as "The x which has a bad cold". < 1276877554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because English loves to make sentences longer. < 1276877564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "Jag är genomförkyld" = "I am bad-cold-having"? < 1276877585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former sounds perfectly normal for casual spoken Swedish. < 1276877601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter sounds like rather awkward English < 1276877601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though *quite* awkward, it parses. < 1276877604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Barely*. < 1276877636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only imagine that being used by someone who enjoys odd language constructs more than I, or someone making a joke of some sort. < 1276877644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure how you could make a joke around that. < 1276877646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes but it does require the reader/listener to pause for a moment and figure out the answer to "wth was that?" < 1276877651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1276877761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I love the way you can add an extra e to some words in English to create new words. It is quite elegant. < 1276877787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err two e I guess I meant. < 1276877798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess you could say "talkee" < 1276877802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for someone listening? < 1276877804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or? < 1276877807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, one could. < 1276877817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very odd for that word, though. < 1276877822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yes. < 1276877843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because there *exists* a commonly used noun to refer to the other end of that; "listener". < 1276877854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but is a wonderful construct in English that is sadly underused. < 1276877869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very heavily used in legal English. < 1276877883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm listenee would be someone talking then? :D < 1276877887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(talker that is) < 1276877890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1276877910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess I haven't read enough legal English < 1276877920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend against it. < 1276877927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it is anything like legal Swedish... < 1276877952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because it's *hard* (it isn't once you get used to the specific phrasing used), but because it's *ugly*. < 1276877961 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276877980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, was you here when I mentioned that unusually bureaucratic legal-Swedish way of writing "milk cow"? < 1276877983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1276877985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you* < 1276877991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't think I was. < 1276878028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah, it was "grönfoderomvandlande mjölkproduktionsenhet", which in English would be "green fodder converting milk production unit" < 1276878029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, mmm, remnants of grammatical constructs. < 1276878033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahah. < 1276878043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *quite* that bad in English. < 1276878085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GreenFodderConvertingMilkProductionUnit" amuses me greatly, though. < 1276878100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that sucker needs some camelCase) < 1276878180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, this was quite extreme for Swedish even. I heard about this from a journalist I knew (RIP). She said she read it in some report. She found the thing so strange that she called the one who wrote it and asked why. Apperently the person who wrote that phrase had been unable to understand that there was any issue with it... < 1276878204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh and it is two words in Swedish. Can't make it one. "GreenFodderConverting MilkProductionUnit" < 1276878221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least I can't think of a way to make it one word < 1276878229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The crazy thing about legal English is that it retains a *lot* from Law French. < 1276878248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was itself a bizarre hybrid of English, Norman French, Latin, and Greek...) < 1276878254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1276878255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like? < 1276878261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ? < 1276878271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of stuff? < 1276878272 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276878334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common use of -ee, -or, -er. < 1276878355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, -or? < 1276878371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -er sounds quite normal? talker speaker listener? and so on < 1276878378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean in some other sense? < 1276878383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to the extent they use it. < 1276878401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the main point is using -er and -ee to indicate a reciprocal relationship. < 1276878415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any example of -er use that sounds awkward? < 1276878419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1276878465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Can't think of any ATM. < 1276878469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1276878480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -or, would that be like in actor? < 1276878485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1276878495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that act as a verb or as a noun btw? < 1276878497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in actor I mean < 1276878510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a very odd tendency to use French-order for adjectives. < 1276878541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an incredible number of French loan words. < 1276878553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? Like "a car red"? < 1276878569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The canonical example is "attorney general". < 1276878583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1276878585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plural, that's "attornies general") < 1276878623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, would they use it outside fixed (possibly old) phrases like that? < 1276878640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not generally. But there are a *lot* of such fixed phrases. < 1276878644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276878666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does this apply to both UK and US? < 1276878670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1276878673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1276878679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Law French is freaking *old*. < 1276878702 0 :hiato!~nine@41-132-143-87.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1276878704 0 :hiato_!~nine@41-132-143-87.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1276878705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1276878709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The differences between legal English in various English-speaking languages come down to differences in legal systems, not in manners of composing legal text. < 1276878727 0 :hiato_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1276878727 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1276878735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276878754 0 :hiato!~nine@41-132-143-87.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1276878771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1276878774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/languages/countries/ < 1276878778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1276878803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, most of those countries have only really been independent from the UK for a good 60 years or so. < 1276878894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I expected US and possibly AU to have larger differences < 1276878940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only difference is that the UK still has laws in Law French on the books. < 1276878949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And actual Norman French, for that matter. < 1276878964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1276878991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have expected them to have been replaced what with the long time spent as an enemy of France... < 1276879024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, about since the Norman invasion which made them have Norman French and Law French on the books. < 1276879075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, during the time that anyone cared *that* much, the aristocracy spoke French, and after that stopped, well, apathy doesn't make you replace laws. < 1276879345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1276879419 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1276879826 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-5-30.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1276879881 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276879883 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1276880886 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1276881014 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really beginning to wonder whether using 32-bit Linux was a good idea. < 1276881047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, if your CPU doesn't support 64-bit it is your best option < 1276881058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it however does support it, then you should probably use 64-bit < 1276881070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can still run 32-bit apps just fine. < 1276881081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tell whether it does? < 1276881094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep flags /proc/cpuinfo < 1276881098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and post the output line < 1276881117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, then I can tell you if you have it or not < 1276881155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits
< 1276881167 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fifasuck < 1276881174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm < 1276881174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm < 1276881184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there it comes, no need for twice though < 1276881193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtes64 looks promising. < 1276881197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes you have "lm" in there (stands for long mode) < 1276881202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no clue what dtes64 is < 1276881210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is lm and lahf_lm you want to look for < 1276881222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I never heard of any system with lm and lacking lahf_lm < 1276881235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now I really do regret it. < 1276881238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahf_lm indicates that you can run 32-bit apps while in 64-bit mode < 1276881248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but afaik all x86_64 cpus allow that < 1276881264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god, how do I migrate now? < 1276881292 0 :fifasuck!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1276881295 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a can of gasoline and a flamethrower < 1276881332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think flamethrowers are regulated in the UK. < 1276881337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see what's really wrong with it now, unless there is a 64-bit app you *need* to run? < 1276881337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I heard about people converting an existing install... It isn't something I would attempt myself. It involves having two userland versions side by side for a bit and having to manually call the dynamic linker... like /lib/ld-linux-x86-32.so.2 /bin/mv < 1276881340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1276881344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so best bet is to reinstall < 1276881356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want a challenge < 1276881395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might reinstall over the weekend. < 1276881414 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it fails, I'll need the soul of your first-born child again. < 1276881434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, personally I would rather play minesweeper on "large" setting while wearing a blindfold than trying to convert an existing 32-bit system without a reinstall. < 1276881447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: MOAR ADDRESS SPACE < 1276881486 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beh, who would ever need more than 640K? < 1276881488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Actually, static link a busybox before hand would work best. < 1276881506 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I must be ready for 2038. < 1276881508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, for x86_64, you have lots of advantages apart from the larger address space. Such as more registers, RIP relative addressing, NX, a less sucky base level for non-source-based distros. < 1276881511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1276881525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base level? < 1276881526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, probably < 1276881528 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that ultimate minesweeper experience < 1276881546 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1276881554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, binary distros optimise for a Pentium Pro or a 486 for x86. < 1276881566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, if you make a binary distro you have to compile for the least advanced CPU you want to support < 1276881567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a Pentium Pro MMX. Just a Pentium Pro. < 1276881573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since otherwise binaries won't run on the old ones < 1276881584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the floating point unit used is the x87. < 1276881587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit arch linux has i686 as the base < 1276881597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a Pentium Pro. < 1276881623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other distros has i586 or even older as the base. < 1276881627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With x86_64, you can assume the existence of SSE2. < 1276881644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with a few libraries in multiple versions. Probably only for libc < 1276881675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so I need to make an _enormous_ archive containing my home directory, then install? < 1276881681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the *really* speed-dependent stuff has code to detect CPU features and toggle through different versions of functions... < 1276881687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you have your home dir on a separate partition? < 1276881696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Speed-dependent stuff and anything written by Ulrich Drepper. < 1276881710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if so, then you could just select to use that and not reformat it I guess. < 1276881731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I do. < 1276881739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, how checketh I? < 1276881772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, quite a lot of the stuff in my home dir would fall into at least one of the categories a) easy to replace b) binary and thus would probably benefit from being recompiled after such a switch anyway < 1276881785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a it is mostly version control checkouts for various stuff < 1276881796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm mount | grep /home? < 1276881803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, without the question mark < 1276881813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mount | grep /home" was the command bit as such < 1276881818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without quotes of course) < 1276881830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example that gives me: < 1276881832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mount | grep /home < 1276881832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/mapper/array-home on /home type ext4 (rw,noatime) < 1276881835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, just ~/.gvfs. < 1276881837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1276881857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well gvfs is some pseudo thingy that is related to gnome iirc < 1276881868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that. < 1276881881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it directly personally < 1276881885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just there < 1276881919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need to make a massive archive of ~, then put in on (preferably at least 2) flash drives, then reinstall? < 1276881928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after that copy it across? < 1276881944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well I guess so. But how large is your home dir? < 1276881995 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276882010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I recently grew mine from 25 GB to 50 GB so I guess large is not uncommon < 1276882015 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276882018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grew the partition that is < 1276882048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's several GB at least. < 1276882051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the fly, I love lvm!) < 1276882069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm. < 1276882083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of that is downloaded. < 1276882095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you could run "du -sh ~" but it might take some time, especially if it mostly consists of lots of small files, rather than fewer large ones < 1276882097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it would take quite a while to get some of it back. < 1276882138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, doing that nos. < 1276882147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, it's worse than I thought. < 1276882150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26G. < 1276882154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fast < 1276882157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Much* worse. < 1276882173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs Disk Usage Analyser
< 1276882176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect disk seeking noise for about a minute while it recursively scanned the dir < 1276882196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then maybe you have more of the "few large" variety of files < 1276882208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, pretty much. < 1276882237 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few folders filled with huge files. < 1276882247 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn a DVD-R? < 1276882265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so 4.3G is virtual hard drives for VMs.. < 1276882266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :du -sh ~/src takes 20 seconds or so. 2.1 GB < 1276882268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can go. < 1276882276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots and lots of small files there < 1276882304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no external harddrive? < 1276882305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you make your weekly backups then? < 1276882305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5G is Wine stuff. < 1276882306 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can probably go. < 1276882315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why the heck am I having 13 seconds lag... < 1276882315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell am I making backups of? < 1276882326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm now it is gone... strange < 1276882331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful code? < 1276882336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You amuse me. < 1276882356 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... you have nothing worth backing up? Then just reinstall! < 1276882366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I have 1) RAID 1 2) backups (not offsite sadly, but if I had another site where I could store them then it would be off site!) < 1276882395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, nothing worth the trouble of buying an external drive, but I don't want to spend ages fixing things. < 1276882399 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1276882432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, continuing. < 1276882438 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can see the "ugh, I have to set that all up again!" angle < 1276882453 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.2G is the Linux source. < 1276882458 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can definitely go. < 1276882463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, let me see if I got this straight: 1) you don't want to spend ages fixing things after a controlled reinstall, where you can plan ahead to avoid deadlines. 2) you do not mind having to spend ages fixing things if you harddrive crash half an hour before an important deadline? < 1276882474 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadlines? < 1276882478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What deadlines? < 1276882484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, work? reports? < 1276882510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you do but I would hate missing the deadline of an assignment due to a disk crash < 1276882510 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not do such things on computers. < 1276882515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1276882530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I guess you haven't had any programming assignments then. < 1276882545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I can't think of a better way to write a lab report than using latex :P < 1276882545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually do computing any more, so everything I do is effectively pointless. < 1276882557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are tools out there to make setting up a machine the way you like it, easier, but they are generally primitive and they generally suck. < 1276882574 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, IMo. If they solve problems, they aren't mine. < 1276882581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, eh? they write your .bashrc or what? < 1276882604 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically, install and configure packages, yes. < 1276882608 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones i know of. < 1276882612 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 3.7G is FlightGear. < 1276882615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I thought the package manager did that... < 1276882621 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be tricky. < 1276882638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, scenery? < 1276882642 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1276882649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aircraft, primarily. < 1276882650 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It does it manually. These things use the package manager. < 1276882654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, huh? Last I checked the data dir was about 2 GB < 1276882655 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"puppet" is one < 1276882667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I haven't had time for flightgear for almost a year < 1276882689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The script I used to compile it used CVS to fetch the data, so it downloaded only the KSFO scenery, but *every* aircraft. < 1276882697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, distro specific I assume? < 1276882721 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No idea. Just know the basics of it./ < 1276882724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the 2 GB was CVS as of about a year ago < 1276882765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, btw what joystick/yoke do you use? < 1276882767 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.3G is aircraft. < 1276882857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2G is Electric Sheep, which can go. < 1276882882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Saitek x52 Pro :) < 1276882891 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually have one. < 1276882901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276882926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend who does, though. < 1276882939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that works fine for smaller aircrafts but I wouldn't want to touch an helicopter without joystick+throttle AND rudder pedals < 1276882956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't touch helicopters. < 1276882969 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get a Wii remote working as a joystick, though. < 1276882980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with those helicopters are merely insanely difficult. Without those it is impossible < 1276883000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though having a joystick with a spring makes it rather unsuited to helicopters < 1276883020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The aforementioned friend actually flies in one of the Virtual Airlines) < 1276883041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I can't imagine a wii remote would work very well as a joystick? < 1276883063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't really. < 1276883081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was something to do. < 1276883232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh 2.6.34 haven't yet had any patch level release? how strange < 1276883665 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it worth using 64-bit if I'm on a desktop? < 1276883710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1276883740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, a laptop. < 1276883852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1276883863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compilers love having more registers. < 1276883925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel.org uses an invalid security certificate. < 1276883925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The certificate is only valid for *.kernel.org < 1276883927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf XD < 1276883931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly with shared libraries... Not being able to address relative to the instruction pointer results in shared libraries having, what, 3 general purpose registers? < 1276883947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1276883962 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If you don't have deadlines, the question is IMO meaningless. < 1276883971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadlines? < 1276883985 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you say that earlier? < 1276883996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I fail to see the relevance. < 1276884032 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1276884038 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, only you know why you even *have* a computer, so... < 1276884086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. < 1276884124 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you get a kick out of playing with technology, rebuilding kernels or whatever, sure, 64-bit is yet another thing to play with... < 1276884151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. There's also esi and edi. 5 general purpose registers. < 1276884157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared with 14. < 1276884166 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, playing with technology. < 1276884170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that < 1276884171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1276884182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hats...? < 1276884212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://choosemyhat.com/ < 1276884306 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He reminds me of someone... < 1276884346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone _here_ by any chance? < 1276884353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1276884356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean in appearance. < 1276884365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's obviously Gregor. < 1276884408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Arguably, x86 has *0* general purpose registers. < 1276884415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe i should check out the FBI most wanted list < 1276884448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why? < 1276884461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an accumulator register, base register, counter register, data register, source index, destination index, stack pointer, and base pointer. < 1276884491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it matter? < 1276884505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I agree with oerjan's proposal for an explosion register. < 1276884520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Various instructions implicitly use one register. < 1276884600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, like loop. < 1276884610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1276884622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i regret to say that list has no one particularly resembling Gregor. < 1276884622 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then there's Linux's annoying syscall practice) < 1276884652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe that guy with the turban and beard could be him. < 1276884672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to *keep* my registers, thank you very much. < 1276884819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, once I've upgraded to 64-bit, how do I move my home folder over? < 1276884869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276884870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... where do you plan to have it while you upgrade? < 1276884897 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...In ~? < 1276884903 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, misread < 1276884931 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was thinking of a flash drive, but there's almost certainly a better way. < 1276884954 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think the filesystem itself is independent of the bittage of the software running from it. < 1276884968 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you could read it under 32-bit, you can read it under 64-bit. < 1276884970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1276884973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1276884989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if something goes wrong... < 1276885003 0 :waga!5c564a14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.86.74.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276885018 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1276885045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good day to you, sir < 1276885047 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you probably don't have to move it at all, unless you want to reformat the disk to make sure you get rid of all the old binaries. But if something goes wrong, yes. Anything worth keeping should be kept twice, in two different places :) < 1276885089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so it's just a matter of overwriting the conflicting files? < 1276885091 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves 3code and has begun adding cool features to it
< 1276885094 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1276885104 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't quote me on that, but yes, I think so. < 1276885113 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tricky part is running the software to do that, while you do that. < 1276885149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway you probably want to tar it up before putting it on flash. at least of the drive is FAT32. Otherwise you will get everything set to executable when copying it back < 1276885163 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booting from a 64-bit liveCD sounds like the easiest way to do that. < 1276885164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1276885172 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone now a python online interpreter? < 1276885178 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarring *everythin* will be a challenge, though. < 1276885196 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can < 1276885198 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1276885224 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install python here because of the veery slow internet connection i have now < 1276885232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://try-python.mired.org/ < 1276885233 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone? < 1276885260 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does EgoBot do python? < 1276885288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why? tar -zcf home.tar.gz /home/ < 1276885291 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or try lua -- faster download over a slow connection ;) < 1276885299 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1276885320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, as I mentioned, lots of files I don't need. < 1276885323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you probably want -p when unpacking (means "preserve premissions) < 1276885324 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to do a brainfuck interpreter in 20 programming languages < 1276885328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)/")/ < 1276885331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can't fit on a drive. < 1276885341 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i tought to star with those i know. < 1276885358 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost finished the assembler written one. ^^ < 1276885391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, iirc tar supports pausing when the tape drive indicates that the tape needs to be switched ;P < 1276885404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that rather depends on using tapes rather than flash memory < 1276885424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waga: oh, hm, was it you who copied all that 3code information to the wiki? i had to remove it, it's copyrighted < 1276885433 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1276885440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1276885463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, 3code? < 1276885468 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added some commands to 3code < 1276885500 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know if a text is copywrighted? < 1276885509 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if i < 1276885525 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a text from a random website(eg: cnn) < 1276885535 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you going to know? < 1276885546 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think of googleing it < 1276885566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waga: if it _doesn't_ say otherwise, and is not very old, then it is copyrighted < 1276885602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah googling might help, in this case the copier said where it was from (and for that matter the link was already in the article) < 1276885619 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you get the original source? < 1276885674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if i suspect nothing, and don't _think_ of googling it, then i obviously won't know < 1276885675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google. < 1276885682 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Jesus knows. < 1276885691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1276885703 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i don't think EgoBot has python, no. < 1276885710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1276885711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever you violate copyright, Jesus knows. < 1276885712 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1276885713 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is egobot < 1276885726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waga: that < 1276885729 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is egobot? < 1276885730 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python < 1276885731 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1276885734 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what it does < 1276885740 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1276885743 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1276885746 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ share \ test.sh \ tmpdir.22842 \ wunderbar_emporium < 1276885760 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no python huh < 1276885764 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor ruby < 1276885767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something called 'rail'... < 1276885771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print "Hello, world!"' < 1276885772 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1276885780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. < 1276885795 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you're not going to get anything useful out of it < 1276885796 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat poetry.txt < 1276885808 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can buy perl being esoteric, but haskell? < 1276885810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waga: it does lots of interpreters, mainly, some ordinary and some esoteric, and some other programs - you can add programs written in the base languages < 1276885823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is HackEgo the one that DCCs the output if it's too long? < 1276885830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat poetry.txt < 1276885831 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Poem -- Roses are red, violets are free. In Soviet Russia, you love me. < 1276885838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, that's EgoBot < 1276885845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat poetry.txt < 1276885846 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Poem -- Roses are red, violets are free. In Soviet Russia, you love me. < 1276885852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo just puts // between lines iirc < 1276885853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, everything is esoteric if you knows nothing in the same paradigm < 1276885856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, \ < 1276885878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that why this channel is so rarely on-topic? < 1276885878 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, would `rm -r * work? < 1276885891 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Measures are taken against that. < 1276885893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1276885894 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.23124 < 1276885894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, could be. Never considered that before. < 1276885907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a temporary directory. < 1276885920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I rather suspect it is that most in here have some problems with concentrating on anything specific for any length of time < 1276885935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have mail in /var/spool/mail/ < 1276885940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ alpine < 1276885945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpine finished -- Closed empty folder "INBOX" < 1276885953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I didn't delete any mails < 1276885960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever gave the first message seems buggy < 1276885963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shell isn't it? < 1276885964 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls / < 1276885966 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ tmp \ usr < 1276885972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /home < 1276885973 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackbot < 1276885978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /home/hackbo < 1276885979 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1276885979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /home/hackbot < 1276885981 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackbot.hg < 1276885992 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dd < 1276885993 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1276886001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it discards stderr < 1276886002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, HackEgo is the one with the HG repository. < 1276886010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg < 1276886011 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dd 2>&1 < 1276886012 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multibot_cmds < 1276886015 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bye < 1276886018 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1276886022 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1276886025 0 :waga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1276886029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, err ` is exec() iirc not system() < 1276886031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1276886033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't C iirc < 1276886036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get the idea < 1276886038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds < 1276886039 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slox < 1276886042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dd 2>&1 < 1276886043 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0+0 records in \ 0+0 records out \ 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.000109175 s, 0.0 kB/s < 1276886044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/sloc < 1276886045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work < 1276886045 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1276886047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ^ < 1276886058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the command `run uses the shell < 1276886064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while just ` doesn't < 1276886068 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, the unbelievably useful "run" command. < 1276886070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type run < 1276886071 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1276886073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1276886082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find . -name 'run' < 1276886083 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1276886088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it might be in the bot itself < 1276886101 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH < 1276886102 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.23684/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1276886110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/bin < 1276886111 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2to3-2.6 \ X11 \ [ \ a2p \ addpart \ addr2line \ apropos \ apt-cache \ apt-cdrom \ apt-config \ apt-extracttemplates \ apt-ftparchive \ apt-get \ apt-key \ apt-mark \ apt-sortpkgs \ aptitude \ aptitude-create-state-bundle \ aptitude-curses \ aptitude-run-state-bundle \ ar \ arch \ as \ awk \ axi-cache \ base64 \ basename \ bashbug < 1276886119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/bin/run < 1276886120 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1276886129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/bin/apt-cache < 1276886130 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/apt-cache < 1276886139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /bin/run < 1276886140 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1276886174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it runs in a locked down chroot thingy. with nothing in the chroot at all, phash or something it is called. It loads a replacement for libc as LD_PRELOAD. And that library uses some pipe to talk to a server outside the chroot to do all the fs stuff < 1276886406 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1276886412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stunning deception. < 1276886478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, very unlikely you are going to be able to mess up the system though < 1276886498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wrote the altered libc? < 1276886623 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's called PLASH? You can google it < 1276886725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ah yes plash it was < 1276887273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1276887404 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1276887564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that game where you have some pieces and you can jump over another piece and remove it and you want to eat everything except one piece < 1276887582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eat" is probably a finnishm, sry < 1276887625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although i'm pretty sure i might've used it even if it wasn't) < 1276887687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's its name < 1276887736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peg_solitaire < 1276887789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1276888476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that game, you can get pretty far mentally, so it doesn't feel like search on small boards < 1276888550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION asks python
< 1276888935 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of eating, there are highway restaurants here that have that game on every table, so you can play it while you wait for your food... :) < 1276888948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooool < 1276889578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1276889583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long did that take? < 1276889588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :felt like an hour < 1276889609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since "* oklopol asks python" < 1276889612 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276889657 0 :alex2012!~a@206.161.99.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276889666 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey people < 1276889668 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1276889737 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helllooooooo < 1276889744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex2012? < 1276889749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 17 minutes. hope this helps. < 1276889752 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number says it all, really. < 1276889752 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows life? < 1276889753 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1276889779 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say then? < 1276889780 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1276889787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen you before. < 1276889798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't see timestamps < 1276889820 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says I'm not betting that you know what the word 'Befunge' refers to. < 1276889821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to see how long it takes me to code something like that < 1276889831 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet I exist :D < 1276889850 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for another few years, anyway. < 1276889872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wait, i vaguely thought i'd seen alex2012 before. which means i might _vaguely_ bet. < 1276889885 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex2012, ah, but did you before I observed you? < 1276889886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, I might lose some money, I suppose. < 1276889893 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Pressey child called befunge? :D < 1276889901 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A risk always comes with betting. < 1276889905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! < 1276889909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it a nondeterministic bet or a quantum bet? < 1276889918 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, see, there, I lost. Or alex2012 can use Google. < 1276889946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondeterministic betting might be pretty profitable < 1276889974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well given the circumstances, it'll be a quantum morphogenetic karmic astral bet < 1276890000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what about Befunge and a number? < 1276890014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: are you sure? unless "child" refers to "creation" < 1276890033 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun chat < 1276890037 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1276890039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphogenetic < 1276890056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex2012: no u're fun < 1276890058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1276890079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hay < 1276890080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoy < 1276890105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stop bumbling about hitting things < 1276890177 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmic astral bet hmm seems karma got assigned wrong house of origin :) < 1276890216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok i'm still not sure either :D < 1276890271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex2012: do you mean like linguistically? you're hard to read < 1276890293 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean karma origin lies mainly in casual sphere < 1276890296 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where causes reside < 1276890302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmic betting only in the fifth house, please! < 1276890304 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some call it akasha < 1276890309 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1276890320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a house of origin? < 1276890342 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sphere of inhabitation < 1276890348 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1276890355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not the ...astrum for causes? < 1276890357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1276890358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma < 1276890378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma is in the casual sphere, not in the astral sphere? < 1276890381 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here into crystals? :) < 1276890381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex2012: i don't know how to break this to you gently, but the channel topic is a lie, except for the part about programming languages < 1276890397 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan that i guessed < 1276890399 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1276890404 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the cake < 1276890411 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering it there is connection between two < 1276890415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex2012: did i get it < 1276890416 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language and topic < 1276890426 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol yes < 1276890428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1276890447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex2012: well we're _still_ waiting for zzo38 to make his tarot programming language < 1276890450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other spheres are there, and what things reside in spheres, am i in some sphere? < 1276890487 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol excellent question < 1276890487 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1276890508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are these spheres sets S(x,r) = {y | d(x,y)=r} for some metric space < 1276890540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: probably spheres of harmony < 1276890541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex2012: it's an open problem whether humans reside in a sphere? < 1276890559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a standing conjecture < 1276890605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no this conjecture is a sitting duck < 1276890652 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol I can be equally presend in every point of creation :) however mind and some other things do act as a filter so what one perceives depends on his consitution < 1276890750 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B132FBC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276890754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter as in the kind where you only take those elements of a list that satisfy a predicate or the kind where you take all elements bigger than the generators, and all their finite infs? < 1276890788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess consitution would imply filter, how filter works depends on what you've consed to what < 1276890791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1276890795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would imply the former < 1276890805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presending sounds like time travel < 1276890826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i on the right track < 1276890832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do you want to learn brainfuck < 1276891016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders where the size of the compiled Linux kernel comes from.
< 1276891081 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To comply with the GFDL, there's a copy of Wikipedia in there. < 1276891167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote * Phantom_Hoover wonders where the size of the compiled Linux kernel comes from. To comply with the GFDL, there's a copy of Wikipedia in there. < 1276891170 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :183|* Phantom_Hoover wonders where the size of the compiled Linux kernel comes from. To comply with the GFDL, there's a copy of Wikipedia in there. < 1276891178 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A classic. < 1276891202 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mainly drivers < 1276891225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you have an infinite chain of suspicious crystals that each come in 256 different shades, one of which is smelly, and you have another chain of marvellous crystals that come in 5 different shades, one of which, blue, always has a loop in its side (which is basically another smaller chain, which can contain other blue crystals having chains on the side etc). what you do is you look at each marvellous crystal at a time, if yo < 1276891228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that come through < 1276891240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, unfortunately < 1276891243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1276891251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1276891252 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all o fit < 1276891254 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of it < 1276891256 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got cut off < 1276891258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot looping conditions < 1276891259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1276891271 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276891288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so okay when you see a blue one, you step on its chain if smelly is not of shade 0, if it's 0, then you just skip the blue one < 1276891291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1276891305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll resay from random < 1276891305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you do is you look at each marvellous crystal at a time, if you see a red one, you increase the shade of the smelly crystal by one, if you see a yellow one, you decrease it by one, black moves the smelly crystal one step forward, white moves it one step backwards < 1276891314 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1276891341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is different from the usual bf in that nothing says loops can't nest infinitely, but this is purer < 1276891358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystal pure < 1276891375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehhehehe < 1276891393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeehhehhehehehehe < 1276891400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheheheeehhehehhhehheheheheheee < 1276891462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so turns out you shouldn't make brute force search programs modular. or write them in python i guess. < 1276891472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a list of rewrite rules < 1276891534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alex2012: did you get it < 1276891544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can elaborate < 1276891551 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1276891589 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1276891676 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol I am away and not all to here < 1276891676 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1276891689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O GOD I AM SO CONFUSED. < 1276891802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially the point is you have an infinite graph^W collection of crystals connected by strings made of out of liquid consciousness, and each of these, at each time step, forwards to a neighboring crystal depending on current value of smelly crystal, forwards what? well your essence hovering over these crystals ofc, maybe i should've mentioned that. and also we can do stuff to the smelly crystal, or move on the chain of marvellous < 1276891823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something runs on 32-bit Linux will it generally run on 64-bit? < 1276891827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one says we can't have an infinite collection of crystals connected by strings of liquid consciousness on the side of marvellous crystals too < 1276891829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho < 1276891835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that would be prettier < 1276891846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, never mind. < 1276891853 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I would extremely surprised if there wasn't some kind of "shim" that lets you run 32-bit bin... ok, neverminding. < 1276891896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's actually a direct compatibility mode. < 1276891919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly you just need 32-bit versions of libraries. < 1276891932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1276891936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1276891940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystals are more interesting than linuces < 1276891944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Superfluous o) < 1276891949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian/Ubuntu have a "ia32-libs" megapackage that contain many. < 1276891963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other stuff with "32" in the name. < 1276891972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, FGFS runs natively on 64-bit Linux anyway < 1276892012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian also has some sort of system that can automagically convert 32-bit library .debs for installation in a 64-bit system. < 1276893323 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, ~ shrunk down to 12.8G! < 1276893375 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dreams of an esoteric resource compiler
< 1276893402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric resource? < 1276893419 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Microsoft's resource compiler of olde. < 1276893530 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that rc wasn't esoteric in its own way: http://www.indexdata.com/blog/2009/12/my-funniest-bug-ever-windows-2-resource-compiler < 1276893534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does iit do? < 1276893560 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiles icons and other crap into a big opaque blob of data in your DLL. < 1276893575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so basically tar? < 1276893593 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To this day, changing the desktop icon of a Windows app starts you off looking for icon images in the DLL. < 1276893622 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, basically tar-meets-a-crippled-and-illiterate-ld. < 1276894921 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276895274 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276895793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: here? < 1276895810 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy. < 1276895814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made a set of aperiodic tiles with a seed right < 1276895815 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, got fgfs down to a couple of GB! < 1276895820 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1276895825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it based on? < 1276895835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it sturmian words? < 1276895839 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1276895850 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ABAABABA..., aye? < 1276895858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the smallest tileset in the world, which i'm currently doing stuff with, is also based on those < 1276895866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it doesn't use a seed < 1276895876 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, awesome. < 1276895881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a seed the problem is trivial, although did you use a whole line as a seed? < 1276895886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's a bit less trivial < 1276895893 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did. < 1276895934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you put sturmian representations of numbers on the ns edges, so that what, and use se < 1276895936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eraoeijgoaeirjg < 1276895957 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks.
< 1276895970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you put sturmian representations of numbers on the ns edges, so that what comes from the north is multiplied by something, and you use ew edges for carries < 1276896013 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if what comes from the north is zero? < 1276896065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prevent that by not having a division from 0-1 to 0-1 < 1276896070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1276896086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the current world record set, you simply mark zeroes so that you can't use division twice < 1276896088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a row < 1276896117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if the multiplier is a rational number then sturmian representations mean we only need a finite amount of tiles that multiply by some number < 1276896118 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1276896126 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having a division? Hm? < 1276896136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to euthanise my electric sheep. < 1276896180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well umm maybe i should explain this in slightly more detail, i'll pm k? < 1276896187 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1276896452 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1276896610 0 :alex2012!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276897506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of brightness, how many seconds does it take you to solve this: let A, B and C be paperbags. there's exactly one stone in A and B taken together, same for B and C, and altogether the bags contain 2 stones. where are the stones? < 1276897605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and c < 1276897611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I only just read the question < 1276897614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and forgot to time myself < 1276897627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but a few seconds? < 1276897653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think so < 1276897663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe about 10, half of it was trying to figure out what the question was < 1276897664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain why, in pm, original proof that is < 1276897668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from there it's simple algebra < 1276897681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this problem interests me, because it is actually hard for many people < 1276897809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is 1 stone in A, 2 stones in B and 1 stone in C < 1276897814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles madly
< 1276897832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait, damn < 1276897877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use tar cjf on a folder with a bzip2 archive in it, does it then try to compress the archive? < 1276897890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1276897896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1276897898 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: modus tollens is apparently a harder concept to grasp than modus ponens < 1276897902 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276897905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but recompressing an already-compressed file makes it only a few bytes larger < 1276897908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sometimes even smaller < 1276897990 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many references to copper silver gold do you think is in the book "Godel, Escher, Bach"? < 1276898007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm concerned about time. < 1276898086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative answer: nest bags A and C and put 3 stones in the inner of those; then put -1 stone in bag B and put it inside the inner of bags A and C as well < 1276898088 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can find partial references, such as some things that mention only gold, and so on < 1276898100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm guessing more than 5 and less than 10 < 1276898138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does my answer fit your assumptions? < 1276898147 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the bottom of page 139 count? Maybe they tried and failed < 1276898159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't have a copy of the book on me right now to check, I'm not at home < 1276898268 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bottom of page 139, the Lucas sequence, "29 + 47 = 76" same recursive rule as for the Fibonacci numbers. It is partial because 29 and 47 count but 76 is different < 1276898281 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether that was intentional or not < 1276898294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to answer really boringly, no < 1276898308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: maybe you need to reconsider your assumptions < 1276898335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, home folder is down to 7.3 GB. < 1276898347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *just* enough to fit on my largest flash drive < 1276898360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: took me a few minutes to come up with that alternate answer < 1276898362 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You and your preconceived notions about negative stones! < 1276898378 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many files do you have? < 1276898386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nesting the bags is a common solution to lateral-thinking puzzles, but unfortunately it seems you need negative stones to make it work too < 1276898388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't know. < 1276898399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case < 1276898402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll work it out. < 1276898445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this reminds me of the famous lightbulbs lateral thinking problem; I'll state a generalisation of it < 1276898457 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own files on my computer are not even 2 GB, even uncompressed. < 1276898474 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has 32 gigs of music.
< 1276898482 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must have a lot more files, or else you must have a lot of videos, or audio, or pornography. < 1276898483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume that you have access to two rooms, one of which contains a bunch of switches, and another of which contains a bunch of lightbulbs; you're the only person in either room for the duration of the experiment (and you can't get help from anyone/anything else, just you) < 1276898514 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I used up less disk space because I don't like pornography < 1276898516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each switch controls one lightbulb, in that changing the position of the switch changes whether the lightbulb is lit or not; assume the simplest possible circuit for doing so in case it matters < 1276898522 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it was 23GB at lunchtime. < 1276898534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And none of it is pornography. < 1276898537 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have heard of this < 1276898541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the rules are: you start in the room with the switches, and you can move from the room with the switches into the room with the lightbulbs, but not the other way < 1276898544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not surprised < 1276898553 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then you must have a lot of videos, or very large audio files < 1276898567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, none of that either < 1276898574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the question is, what's the maximum number of lightbulbs for which you can determine with certainty which lightbulb is connected to which switch? < 1276898588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the puzzle's normally asked with just 3 lightbulbs, but it's possible to get a lot more than that < 1276898611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of a solution for at least 6, but there's quite possibly a way to get more < 1276898632 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, if they are momentary contact switches, then zero. I'll assume not. < 1276898642 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't offhand see how it could be more than 2. < 1276898647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no, they're toggle switches, and there's a defined on position < 1276898686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as usual with lateral thinking puzzles, you have to look at the various assumptions involved < 1276898693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I have no idea what takes up the space. < 1276898702 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that if there is >1 on, or >1 off, there is an ambiguity. < 1276898706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've maybe thought of a way to get a seventh and eighth < 1276898718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes, you have to rely on the fact that RL lightbulbs are not the same as mathematical booleans < 1276898743 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well then tear open the wall with a crowbar and follow the wiring? < 1276898755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the usual temperature trick. < 1276898761 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No crowbar would mean using bare hands -- that would hurt and take a long time though. < 1276898766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the temperature trick is the intended answer, I think < 1276898771 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if one is persistent... < 1276898777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but once you've followed one wire, you're in the lightbulb room and can't go back to follow the next one < 1276898813 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you see where all the wires exit the room, and then in the other room, see where they all enter. Then the limit is your memory. < 1276898815 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe turn on one light until it is on long enough to stop working < 1276898827 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work? I'm not sure < 1276898834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that was my first solution, and you can combine it with the temperature trick to get six < 1276898840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, got the number of times. < 1276898860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/times/files/ < 1276898871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, just thought of an answer that might work for infinitely many lightbulbs; if you dismantle the switches and cross-wire the wires supplying them to each other in various patterns, then in the lightbulb room you could start disconnecting and connecting lightbulbs to see which other lightbulbs turned on and off when you did < 1276898895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including directories, there are 82,480 files on my system. < 1276898915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you counting hardlinked files as number of links or number of files? < 1276898916 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/system/home directory/ < 1276898917 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or -- in the first room, strip some insulation from each wire, and use your tongue to detect electrical current. < 1276898934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I don't see how that helps you correlate lightbulbs to switches, though < 1276898934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, everything find prints on a line. < 1276898953 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're right of course, but it's a wild party game. < 1276899039 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is apparently a hailstorm headed this way, and my coworkers are leaving to avoid being struck by chunks of ice being hurled through the sky buy gale-force winds. < 1276899060 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you mean "find | wc -l" or something like that < 1276899061 0 :Amrykid!Amrykid@ppp124.tc-12.mil-ch.wi.localnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276899063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: are you planning to do the same? or do you live in your office? or do you have some more ingenious plan? < 1276899070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes < 1276899095 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I live really nearby, like a 2-minute walk, so I'm debating whether I should take off too. < 1276899103 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 minutes of hail is still not pleasant though, I bet. < 1276899118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any particular reason to be in the office as opposed to at home, or vice versa? < 1276899129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there isn't, you may as well walk home now because there's no reason not to < 1276899170 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scshunt < 1276899174 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I may be too late at this point. < 1276899180 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huge drops of rain out the window. < 1276899209 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storms in this part of the country tend to be short and violent, so I may wait it out here. < 1276899225 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it gets late, brave the few blocks. < 1276899338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note -- maintaining production web software is like serving dinner in a moving car. From another moving car in the adjacent lane. < 1276899534 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0= bottles of beer < 1276899536 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1= on the wall < 1276899543 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2=Take one down and pass it around < 1276899544 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3= < 1276899545 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4= < 1276899551 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5=#9J3k{HHH,"}#9J4kHHH,"#0@ < 1276899557 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6=No more bottles of beer on the wall < 1276899560 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7=5x1@;5x;2@;444&.#AJ4kZ{4!333&.}#H2J3k4kZ{6@;\}5x1@;;# < 1276899564 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#[494"7x] < 1276899705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language? < 1276899739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: idgi, you can basically just flip some switches up, and some down, and then go in the other room to see which lights are on, and the experiment is over? < 1276899749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you can't deduce anything < 1276899764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can unscrew the lights from their socket, which breaks the circuit < 1276899773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then observe which other lights turn off, because you'd wired them together < 1276899788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could leave a light on for half an hour then turn it off, it'll be warmer than the others (assuming filament lights) < 1276899838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'm not good with irl puzzles < 1276899839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what language is it? < 1276899839 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Are you refering to the beer code? It is Q-RESOURCE, which is a program to make resource files for QBASIC programs < 1276899845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1276899852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take the simplest mathematical model i can think of and use that < 1276899868 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q-RESOURCE codes are usually not like this, but this is still a valid code < 1276899881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay fun trick < 1276899994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so okay we can do everything with temperature, choose for each switch a number between [0, 1], so that for each numbers r1 and r2, r1 != r2, 1-r1 != r2, then if we have each switch i on ri of the time, we can uniquely identify which bulb is which switch's, except maybe in some pathological cases < 1276899999 0 :ec!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :purr < 1276900021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used numbers rather weirdly but anyway < 1276900080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i'm not exactly comfortable with this stuff, to me it seems like if you can unscrew lightbulbs, why couldn't you see into the future, or through walls as well < 1276900107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not exactly, but i see what i mean < 1276900127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*used indices < 1276900172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait that doesn't work if we don't know what function of time temperature is < 1276900185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? < 1276900214 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one question, how should I fix a movie showtime service program? The one I have is broken, and I want advice how it should be fixed. Would screen-scraping be necessary? < 1276900348 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a weather report service, but it doesn't have weather forecast. How can I fix it to have weather forecast? < 1276900408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote but yeah i'm not exactly comfortable with this stuff, to me it seems like if you can unscrew lightbulbs, why couldn't you see into the future, or through walls as well < 1276900411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a true programmer < 1276900411 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :184| but yeah i'm not exactly comfortable with this stuff, to me it seems like if you can unscrew lightbulbs, why couldn't you see into the future, or through walls as well < 1276900413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esoprogrammer < 1276900456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so err what was your solution < 1276900498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I missed the start of the ICFP < 1276900529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a programming comp right? < 1276900581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's annual < 1276900585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise this year's was coming up, though < 1276900593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the nature of the task is such that you're unlikely to win if you don't start immediately < 1276900621 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=LOT < 1276900742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The data for both cars and fuel will be encoded by a stream of trits (ternary bits) and, you guessed it, we won't tell you more about the encoding here, so you just have to make some educated guesses, based on the error messages of the stream parser on our server." < 1276900769 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people find this fun < 1276900783 0 :Gregor-P!~AndChat@68-27-65-102.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276900820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a competition < 1276900830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1276900832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there hasn't been reverse-engineering involved for several years now, though < 1276900832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1276900833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::SD < 1276900839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm a bit disappointed that I missed this year's < 1276900842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would absolutely love that < 1276900850 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which movie showtime services, weather forecast service, in internet, should I used to write the program that I was trying to write (the old one is broke)? < 1276900864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language reverse-engineering thing has to be started at some point < 1276900887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe oklopol and I should form a team for next year's, as long as the task is interesting < 1276900897 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well i should start it, make tons of challenges a few try and no one solves < 1276900897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I skipped last year's because I didn't like the look of the problem < 1276900921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes perhaps we could < 1276900923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it about? < 1276900956 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can has context? < 1276900966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember which one it was specifically, but two of the recent ones were about optimizing trajectories with floating-point arithmetic < 1276900968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: ICFP < 1276900979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://icfpcontest.org < 1276900981 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhh < 1276901046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only entered one year so far, it was the one about writing an AI for a Mars lander < 1276901049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is being chased by martians < 1276901064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah we remember < 1276901072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you do < 1276901081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed horribly????????????????????? < 1276901110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not horribly, although I didn't reach the finals < 1276901119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was eliminated in something like the fifth or sixth qualification round < 1276901124 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276901156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1276901677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1276901808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: on the subject of problems that many people have trouble with, what's 1000 + 100 + 1000 + 200 + 1000 + 300 + 1000 + 400? < 1276901819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, wrong question < 1276901825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 + 10 + 1000 + 20 + 1000 + 30 + 1000 + 40 < 1276901861 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1276901870 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1276901875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets out his pocket calculator
< 1276901878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dum de dum < 1276901883 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1276901914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that many people give the same answer for the two questions < 1276901922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you have to ask them in the other order or they suspect something's up < 1276902304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads about the Von Neumann cellular automaton
< 1276902317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually pretty interesting, sort of a non-tarpit version of WireWorld or Life < 1276902344 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. < 1276902371 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another variant wherein there's another few states to enable signal crossing. < 1276902383 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, isn't the VN CA planar? < 1276902419 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the one where he describes "self-assembling machines"? < 1276902476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes, I think < 1276902493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought about that for a while, and concluded that it doesn't make sense to describe CAs as planar or non-planar < 1276902499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition just doesn't really fit them < 1276902518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But could you simulate it on a planar machine? < 1276902521 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276902630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can you /define/ a planar machine? < 1276902645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not trivial to define at all < 1276902658 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then whence the wire-crossing problem? < 1276902707 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's relative to the model in which you are defining the machine. < 1276902723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the wire-crossing problem is, IMO, badly defined < 1276902730 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your model is very clear about what is a graph, it's not a big problem. < 1276902732 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH. < 1276902759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're interested, look at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Formula; I'm curious as to whether it's TC in two dimensions < 1276902760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why do we have an article on it? < 1276902775 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was interested in it for a while < 1276902781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, being badly defined doesn't prevent people caring about the answer < 1276903834 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1276903897 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was a model for expressing models of computation that was purely a graph, it would all be OK. But there's always something more... < 1276903917 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid turtles. < 1276904131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Formula was an attempt to make purely a graph < 1276904267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We gladly inform you that you have been selected as one of the five winners in our email lottery program in which email addresses were picked randomly by a computerized balloting powered by the internet. Your email was among those 5 chosen during this exercise." < 1276904272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, reading spam can be fun sometimes < 1276904284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the sound of a "computerized balloting powered by the internet" < 1276904288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand the Formula description. < 1276904310 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the output is an integer + ½ exactly, a bit is read from input, and it is rounded up" -- "it" refers to the output? < 1276904353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, let me try to remember < 1276904355 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The input is just to do tiebreaking for 0.5's ? < 1276904368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's it < 1276904383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you interpret the output of the formula as if it had been rounded based on a value from the input < 1276904385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how you do I/O < 1276904399 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1276904404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the description there, which I presumably wrote ages ago, uses the word "output" for two entirely different things < 1276904421 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why this was never implemented - it looks pretty simple
< 1276904433 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1276904436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because nobody cared < 1276904438 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output -> result in some context, yes < 1276904454 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can kind of see what it's getting at. < 1276904568 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, real numbers. Icky. < 1276904595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1276904618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't think there's anything in Formula that fails if you implement it by calculating decimal expansions lazily < 1276904630 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We started using protocol 4.3 of a vendor service recently at work; someone forgot to put quotes around it in the config file, and we got a bunch of lovely errors about "Unknown service 4.29999999999999999". < 1276904636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, except maybe the checking for exactly an integer/exactly .5 < 1276904643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: go go floating point < 1276904652 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1276904687 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-203-81.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276904689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of trying to implement a particular 32-bit PRNG in JavaScript < 1276904711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to do the calculations 16 bits at a time to fit within the range of integers that can be safely represented as floating-point < 1276904723 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-30-25.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1276904727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the same project that I got working in IE6 < 1276904747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems all the IE6 bugs I hit also exist in IE7 and IE8, also IE5.5, so the 6ness was irrelevant < 1276904933 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1276905198 0 :leBMD!~chatzilla@174-23-11-141.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276905201 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the storm has passed, so I'm heading home. < 1276905214 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take care, folks. < 1276905215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1276905221 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy folks < 1276905227 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276905243 0 :Amrykid!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?