< 1275523358 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275523468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275524209 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1275524301 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275524972 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275525489 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so uncreative at naming things. :( < 1275525826 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@ip67-88-128-227.z128-88-67.customer.algx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275525998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275526144 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275526221 0 :augur!~augur@ool-4a5806a9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275526333 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1275526948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275526996 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275527018 0 :augur!~augur@ool-4a5806a9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275527176 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, the new copyright bill here doesn't unilaterally suck < 1275527191 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital locks provisions do (DMCA-style :(), but the rest is actually really sane < 1275527224 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: where's here? < 1275527240 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada < 1275527252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1275527254 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada < 1275527258 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can smoke pot in the streets < 1275527260 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1275527267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about your copyright legislation < 1275527297 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do < 1275527305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we = people who care) < 1275527400 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275527407 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go smoke a joint on the streets, you damn hippies < 1275527410 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moral rights got expanded to performances (note: moral rights are epic) < 1275527417 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look at me im just walking around in public with POT < 1275527442 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1275527445 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not legal < 1275527454 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do it anyways, but it isn't legal < 1275527468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not legal, but the cops dont do shit < 1275527505 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.3/20100401080539] < 1275527566 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the bill /legalizes/ non-commercial use of copyrighted works in other copyrighted works < 1275527578 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so things like mashups are legal if non-commercial < 1275527593 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1275527610 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it puts a CC NC on everything < 1275527692 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are restrictions though; primarily it can't negatively affect the commercial activity or viability of the original < 1275527705 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also attribution < 1275527722 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha - Michael Geist called it the YouTube right < 1275527823 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statutory damages are lowered for non-commercial infringement, that's good < 1275527881 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275527993 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h213.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275528338 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275528600 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... actually, the digital locks provisions aren't as bad as when I looked originally < 1275529235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1275529554 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275529812 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275529842 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h46.31.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275530288 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275533756 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275534187 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275535576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275535577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275535717 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275535717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275535930 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang was just linked in #math < 1275535942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orly? < 1275535964 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by me of all people < 1275535975 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament the tireless promoter < 1275536001 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also wrote that article i linked to :D < 1275536714 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1275536735 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275537147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275538689 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the mathematica to express a function in terms of a single variable? < 1275540480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275540669 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275541379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275542852 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@ip67-88-128-227.z128-88-67.customer.algx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275543987 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275544118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275546825 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275547940 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275549046 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@67-129-37-226.dia.static.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275549650 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1275550005 0 :relet!~hirtho@159.162.68.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275550243 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275550256 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275550618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275551623 0 :jabb!~grue@71.94.31.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275551634 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1275551999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1275552000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1275553083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not graue? < 1275553108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gruaue < 1275553191 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I am leaving. You are about to explode. < 1275553467 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275553478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1275553498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo < 1275553586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lo! < 1275553597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: graue doesn't really come here nowadays, i cannot recall seeing him for years < 1275553616 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is he the only person with keys to the wiki? < 1275553694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275553713 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1275553745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he _does_ respond to emails, however, at least last time someone tried < 1275553831 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with wiki? < 1275553895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing new that i can see < 1275553940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there are also administrators, ais523 and keymaker < 1275553960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their powers are limited < 1275553975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1275553985 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no even any other bureaucrats? < 1275553996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/no/not/ < 1275554095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anarchy or death, i say < 1275555133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1275555291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1275555298 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1275555673 0 :oktolol!~oklopol@a91-153-122-35.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1275555866 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275560150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oktolol: Surely octo? < 1275560468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275560689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275560973 0 :Slereah!~lereah@nanpc301.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275561045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I have not seen you before. < 1275561083 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange, since I've been here for 3 years or so < 1275561129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am bad at noticing, then. < 1275563969 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-17-217.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275564262 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato! < 1275564280 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1275564287 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato!! < 1275564297 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover!!! < 1275564305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato!!!11!! < 1275564330 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well, was hoping for a fibonacci sequence there < 1275564339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato!!!!! < 1275564360 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover!!!!!!!! < 1275564378 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1275564383 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1275564383 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1275564383 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   >\ < 1275564402 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ! OVERFLOW < 1275564423 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-17-217.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275564439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato????????????????????? < 1275564463 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You crashed my IRC cliet. It couldn't take more than 13 !'s before it overflowed < 1275564469 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275564489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the ?s. < 1275564510 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275564529 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover ????????????????????????????? < 1275564573 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ < 1275564648 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ < 1275564721 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ < 1275564830 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1275564847 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover:؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ < 1275564856 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(took a while to find) < 1275564859 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not start this again. I will not start this ag... dammit! < 1275564916 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275564954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h͆̓͌̉ͬ͏̴̪̗͖̼̳͉͇́i̛ͮ̆̽ͮ͒̑̿̚͘҉͍͕̬̼̟̪a̵̲̖̠ͣ͆t̝ͩ͐́̀͟ͅo͆̂͐̓͆̃͋̈́̚͏͇̳̠̙̝̥̻ < 1275564957 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :̩̝͔̩͔̄̊́̄͘͢P̠̠̩͓͍̹͇̟̺̋́͐ͭͥ͡h̬̬̭̙̗ͣͮ͐͒̓̆ͅá͔̤͖̭͈̓ͬ̊̃ͧ̈͢n̸͔̠͉͊ͧ̀̓̒̋̏̇̚t̷̢̙̙̯̩̟̝̱͚̻̓ͫo̹̘̥̼̥ͦ͛̕͟m̴͇ͭ̒͂͋̋̔̐̆_͎̭͉̰͍ͩͣͣ̈ͩ̈̉̚̚Hͫͩ҉̰͇̦̳̭͍͎̜͝͡ǫ̷̣̮̘̥̖͓͖͚̥̾͌̆ͨͯ͆͐͗̊͟ö̡̪̠̞͇͑͂͡v̵͋ͩ̆̈ͯ҉͔̜̞̯̮̫̙̻́e̦̟̦͈̘̯̦ͪ̍̓̃ͬ͑ͯ̎̌r < 1275564985 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm willing to bet that you didn't hand-assemble those diacritics. < 1275565050 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonable assumption < 1275565062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how did you do them? < 1275565122 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled zalgofier and found what I was looking for < 1275565180 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D͓͓̝͚̟̗̈́̏͋̏̈́ͯͭ̕ę̸̢̟̗̩ͦ͛͗̿̈ͫ̑̅̏ͣ̉ͨ͂̆ͩ̔͛͟͝ė̢̡̤̯̠͓̯̪̫̭̦͙̗͛͂̃͐̿͛̽ͣͣ͂̄͊ͬ̈́ͩ͠w͊ͬ̽̉̈́̿́̄ͮ͊̏͟҉̯̞̮̻̤̥̺͟i̶̜͎͈̟͈̘̞͖͔̬̙̘̥̣͉̥̭̠̪̾ͦͥ̒͂ͦͤ̓̐̒ͧ͂͗ͥ̓ͮ́͟a̅ͭͨ̊͢҉̢̡͎̩̭̞̫͙̗̳͝n̴̸̙̹̘̪̬̫̖͙̯̱̝͍͎̦͕͓ͮ̆́ͯͩ͘͝t͋̿͌̍̈́͋ͩ̍̂̓͌́͊ͣͭ́҉̦͔̞̥͖͔̟͙͈̠̻̭̹͡ͅ� < 1275565212 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1275565284 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad neither my client nor gvim can display it properly < 1275565449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vim? You sicken me. < 1275565539 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had that discussion around 19 hours ago < 1275565551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I missed the flame way. < 1275565555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/way/war/ < 1275565589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Zalgo has made this file unopenable in Firefox. < 1275565666 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; I would guess that's because of the line splitting that happened to me < 1275566089 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Firefox was the only program able to render Zalgofied text. < 1275566104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pidgin can do it too. < 1275566521 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@79.103.6.164.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275566567 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275566587 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@79.103.6.164.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275567474 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M OUT OF CONTROL, CUZ YOU WANT IT ALL, YOU'RE SO DANGEROUS, MY BIGGEST MISTAKE, I'M BLINDED BY YOUR EYESSSSS, [DANGEROUS; D-D-D-DANGEROUS] < 1275568857 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a programming language which uses chinese for its source? < 1275568868 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would be, like, pretty damn cool. < 1275569072 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such thing as unicode? < 1275569074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLAARGH, 3D APPS ARE DRIVING ME INSANE! < 1275569222 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1275570171 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a 3d script < 1275570173 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1275570177 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting letters in 3d! < 1275571055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to be 4D to make proper use of it, though. < 1275572649 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1275572762 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-17-217.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275572949 0 :oktolol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oktolol: Surely octo?" <<< no < 1275572957 0 :oktolol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make no sense < 1275573339 0 :oktolol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1275573480 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275573598 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-17-217.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275574503 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1275574513 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275574518 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy < 1275577057 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275579024 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275579132 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-17-217.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275579279 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1275579588 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275579908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1275579966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1275580085 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hie! < 1275580230 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, have I expressed my desire to murder whoever created the SQA's computing course yet? < 1275580239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQA? < 1275580254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scottish Qualifications Authority. < 1275580314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275580326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is this university level? < 1275580333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1275580342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Further information is classified. < 1275580370 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, neither Norway nor Iceland is in the EU? < 1275580383 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1275580396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iceland isn't really in Europe in the first place, though. < 1275580412 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is it if not in Europe < 1275580431 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near Europe. < 1275580528 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275580572 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC geologically it's on the boundary between America and Europe. < 1275581990 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or should there be an easy way to view transparent images on a black background? < 1275582391 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275582572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275582802 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1275582816 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@213.249.12.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275584053 0 :atrapado!~rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275584167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every set containing sets there is a set containing exactly the sets contained by the sets in that set < 1275584530 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h223.13.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275584849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every set there's a set contained in that set that doesn't contain any set contained in the set and no sets of whose are contained in the set < 1275585354 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275585382 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275585505 0 :Juh_!~bb4452d6@gateway/web/freenode/x-vzfuqnzaiqeviwhq JOIN :#esoteric < 1275585600 0 :Juh_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275585875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well? < 1275586178 0 :jabb_!~4a73b064@gateway/web/freenode/x-fvgedczcfketyvpf JOIN :#esoteric < 1275586347 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-59.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275588086 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1275588370 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notices that spaces don't seem to matter in C in anything other than type declarations.
< 1275588426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helloworld!" < 1275588428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs ais...
< 1275588462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out the semantics of "extern const note_t volatile * dsound_next_note;" < 1275588475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does volatile apply to here < 1275588514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const would be applied to the data it points to. But volatile? < 1275588552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: volatile means that it should always be directly written to memory right away, instead of floating around loaded in a register when next it's convenient. < 1275588560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most useful for things like hardware buffers. < 1275588568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the pointer or the data pointed to? < 1275588569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1275588572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/when/until/ < 1275588580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is the question < 1275588585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uh. I think the data pointed to? < 1275588587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275588591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1275588592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what volatile in general means of course < 1275588598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue was where it applied in this case < 1275588609 0 :DH____!~DHeadshot@host-134-225-165-163.readingconnect.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275588620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq doesn't know everything about C? < 1275588622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway, it wouldn't be "directly written" it would be "directly read" in this case, since it is const you really aren't supposed to write to it < 1275588637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nor do I. But I'm rather new to embedded C programming < 1275588639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which this is < 1275588649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, to say that the object pointed to is volatile should be at the left side of *, and the pointer itself to the right. < 1275588652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like const. < 1275588659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275588663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: This is one of the few things I *don't* have fully embedded in my head. :) < 1275588673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, at least it isn't function pointers. That is one thorny bit in C :) < 1275588682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: dear god... < 1275588687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Argh that gives me such *massive* headaches. < 1275588707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if i'd known the answer... < 1275588712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, a volatile function pointer, sounds fun ;) < 1275588748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't thought "* volatile" means * is volatile, and "volatile *" means pointer to volatile object < 1275588755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's see the answer < 1275588766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1275588789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extern volatile unsigned char AD_C_H; <-- fun thing, this variable is not in any C file, just this header file. It is however in the linker script. < 1275588791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1275588796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually filter out the content with subjects like this, but i realized i have actually coded in c < 1275588803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know where GNU ld linker script syntax is documented? < 1275588818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably not info pages, I treat that as last resort < 1275588823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anyone know where baoiuhbeorijgeaorigjeag?" < 1275588837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the world through my eyes < 1275588838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ':' used for anything important in C? < 1275588839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, where else should I ask than in here? < 1275588850 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: x ? y : z; foo: goto foo; < 1275588850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not saying you shouldn't ask here < 1275588851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a ? b : c; < 1275588857 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case 4: break; < 1275588857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also labels. < 1275588864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, as Deewiant said < 1275588864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cases in a switch statement. < 1275588868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying you shouldn't ask me :P < 1275588869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that as well < 1275588881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I didn't highlight you? < 1275588887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i didn't say you did < 1275588887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what symbol could you use to indicate type? < 1275588890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1275588988 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275589002 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: would work < 1275590336 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it turing-complete? < 1275590336 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : given that events can be reduced to function calls, I would say yes < 1275590336 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : logically reduced, anyway < 1275590366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1275590381 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ##nomic < 1275590385 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lomic.info/ < 1275590997 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so int::main(){printf("helloworld");return(0);} < 1275591004 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spaceless program. < 1275591036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omit the "int::" and you have it in plain C. < 1275591065 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that it's invalid since you're calling printf without a prototype) < 1275591144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prototypeless printf works on my system, but it gives a warning. < 1275591167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works on all systems AFAIK, but it's not valid. < 1275591195 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1275591196 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is valid if you pass only one argument, though; not sure about that. < 1275591198 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1275591235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(){printf("Hello,%cworld!\n",10);} < 1275591243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaceless hello world. < 1275591248 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The canonical version. < 1275591255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, undefined behavior. < 1275591288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(){puts("Hello,\0xA0world!\n");} // I *think* this is valid? < 1275591320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could possibly use write(). < 1275591324 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes: it'll print "Hello," since the string terminates there. < 1275591337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't care about portability. < 1275591342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No it doesn't. < 1275591348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. \0 < 1275591349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does. < 1275591351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT DOES GAH < 1275591355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xA0 < 1275591357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\040 would work, though. < 1275591372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, that's what I want. < 1275591381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: write() is perfectly portable. < 1275591389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works on all POSIXen. < 1275591392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows? < 1275591402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1275591453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Windows without Cygwin. < 1275591487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just use putchar, you know. < 1275591697 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275592086 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275592654 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275592655 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275592655 0 :Geekthras!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275592656 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275592657 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275592666 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungot < 1275592681 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kar8nga < 1275592689 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fungot < 1275592711 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275592768 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275592824 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf < 1275592829 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1275592831 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herlo < 1275592835 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you fungot < 1275592963 0 :Geekthras!~geekthras@adsl-99-39-2-249.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275593062 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-148.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275594221 0 :atrapado!~roper@46.188.116.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275594339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling "why sucks" is quite fun. < 1275594541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION immediately had to google why go sucks
< 1275594718 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only mentions Go as Gene Ontology... < 1275594787 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried Brainfuck, it wasn't that fun < 1275594951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't, you should try clue instead < 1275594955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't < 1275594993 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers not to try Self
< 1275594996 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems people think that Perl, Ruby and Python suck roughly as much (similar number of results) but Perl sucks the most of the three... < 1275595002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should work on clue at some point, there's an obvious fix i should make to the language, but that requires programming < 1275595093 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1275595149 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'No results found for "why Modula-2 sucks"' < 1275595158 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-205-116.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275595173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nerds don't get angry about esolangs. < 1275595233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just get mad about non-esolangs, with esolangs it's okay if something trivial is hard to do, with other languages it feels like a waste of time < 1275595293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a language which emails some programmers kept in a basement and promises them food if they make a working program from your design notes. < 1275595307 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like converting Str to Char in Delphi? I always found that hard... < 1275595326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just index? < 1275595326 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to find the Ascii value... < 1275595362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't programmed in Pascal for a year, but I recall strings being arrays of chars. < 1275595419 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delphi I always had slight quirks - String was TString, a class of TObject... < 1275595496 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An there was no built-in function for converting between Integer and Real - you had to try and build your own using loopholes... < 1275595521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madness. < 1275595539 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it though... < 1275595591 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simulated Reals myself using LongInts and writing a string function to move the dp... < 1275595613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do OOP in C through a library? < 1275595619 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it should be possible. < 1275595674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, that's how GTK works. < 1275595675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although hideous. < 1275595684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it is *hideous*. < 1275595686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, someone actually *did* that? < 1275595696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's called GObject. < 1275595703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a major part of Glib. < 1275595711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am gobsmacked. < 1275596008 0 :cal153!~cal@cpc1-brig2-0-0-cust642.brig.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275596165 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything in Lisp is basically a pointer, isn't it? < 1275596167 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!~behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1275596175 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1275596176 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1275596185 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1275596187 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1275596783 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-148.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275597062 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275597119 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275597324 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me to post this to alise when e gets back < 1275597325 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shitampersand.com/ < 1275597387 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't get what's so bad about the keycaps one < 1275597538 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lambda_calculus#Proposed_criticism_of_lambda_calculus < 1275597551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather funny. < 1275597727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it says right there, apparently there's no such thing as ampersand key on keyboards except for mac and mac is so useless they should've left ampersand out of the font < 1275597750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have an ampersand key tho, who the fuck doesn't have an ampersand key? < 1275597768 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's obviously untrue, but surely there must be some valid reason to criticize it < 1275597794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks fine to me < 1275597813 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :migomipo < 1275597878 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1275598134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Isn't it Shift-7? < 1275598297 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-148.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275598312 0 :DH____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Shift-6 on older keyboards... < 1275598577 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do once I've designed and implemented an esoteric language? < 1275598590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tell everyone! < 1275598612 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably *after* writing at least cat, and if possible "Hello, world!". < 1275598636 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it working, of course. < 1275598666 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause I can write those based on my design, but I have yet to implement it :P < 1275599124 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jabb_, there are some languages on the wiki that are impossible to implement < 1275599216 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *theoretically*. < 1275599227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're implementable once we discover FTL. < 1275599247 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does FTL lead to super-Turing-complete? < 1275599401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTL → violation of causality < 1275599426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Violation of causality → TwoDucks interpreter. < 1275599451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwoDucks interpreter → Super-Turing computation. < 1275599557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super-Turing computation -> fuck it, we can has halting oracle. < 1275599593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cool thing is that I don't think it leads to inconsistency. < 1275599613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Provided that it's only an oracle for Turing machines. < 1275599654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it would be, because if it has the time travel instruction added, it can interfere with the oracle. < 1275599704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, a machine with a halting oracle still possesses its own analogue to the halting problem. < 1275599747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If P(oracle) isn't evaluable by the oracle, there's no problem, right? < 1275599804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right; that's how the halting problem manifests itself on Super-Turing machines. < 1275599859 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwoDucks is implementable if you ignore the ability to retrieve from the future < 1275599894 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write the ugliest Python code ever, I'm going back to C < 1275599967 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the TwoDucks spec seems to conflict with the example < 1275599988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is unclear how it would work at all. < 1275599995 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEND v TO t; Assignment across time; assign the value of variable v (in the present) to the variable v as it existed at time t (in the past or future). < 1275600013 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's correct, the first example should not cause a paradox afaict < 1275600029 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that description also doesn't send v to t. It retrieves v from t < 1275600155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION investigates
< 1275600252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Is that better? < 1275600305 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1275600319 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although now I see the original spec could be interpreted either way < 1275600381 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it still looks ambiguous < 1275600390 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my brain's not functioning properly < 1275600393 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BE HAPPY. < 1275600512 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275600742 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herlo < 1275600749 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have slept long. < 1275600953 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I finish the interpreter I'll post it here. < 1275601274 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275601426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no-one seems to have posted the oracle yet, < 1275601545 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275601720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, is the oracle I added to the TwoDucks article correct? < 1275601842 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it looks ok, but I might be wrong < 1275601940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was written on the fly, but there's no reason it won't work. < 1275601961 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1275601961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if paradoxes don't destroy the universe we have a Turing oracle. < 1275601989 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a rewrite implementation, it would first claim it doens't halt, then if it halts, it changes it and pretends it always knew it halted < 1275602089 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah i like this explanation < 1275602179 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275602309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, MediaWiki's DPL code looks weird. < 1275602321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"listseparators =,¶:* [[%PAGE%¦%PAGE%]], " < 1275602465 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275602476 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1275602488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented the halting oracle in TwoDucks! < 1275602497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghost_Vacuum! < 1275602509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1275602531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now we must invent FTL! < 1275602539 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275602566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, need to suspend. < 1275602576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275603198 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275603218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, everybody! < 1275603326 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1275603356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the language like? < 1275603464 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can show you the design < 1275603484 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of assembly, except it has dynamic arrays < 1275603502 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/wuz3Q < 1275604059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275604098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275604172 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, some of your Zalgo got stuck at the bottom of my terminal, below the bottom line. < 1275604191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1275605181 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zalgo? < 1275605308 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is officially declaring war on Gregor
< 1275605411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275605435 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He hates pizza! < 1275605473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He *is* anosmic. < 1275605503 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION did not know that
< 1275605595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anosmic? < 1275605637 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION Googles
< 1275605643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that must suck. < 1275605665 0 :migomipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275606040 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1275606070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No tea for him. < 1275606125 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1088893966.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1275606241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275606554 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :semantic analysis down! < 1275606708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275606784 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has taste buds, I'd assume < 1275606798 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that those are particularly useful, admittedly < 1275606928 0 :oktolol!~oklopol@a91-153-122-35.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1275606942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but tea sucks ass without olfactation apparently. < 1275607347 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275607814 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have we ever learned why he can't smell? < 1275608614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's built upside down, so his nose runs rather than smells. his feet on the other hand... < 1275608706 0 :ArcticDeath!~oz@ip-95-222-202-219.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1275609324 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving.