< 1275436806 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a complete accident that this is so, in fact. < 1275436807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: btw possibly the simplest TC model on the wiki is BCT, it's almost ridiculously simple < 1275436834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, saying it is "equivalent to the lambda calculus" would also mean it is equivalent to bf < 1275436839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wait < 1275436841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no byte IO < 1275436842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1275436848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find brainfuck too hard to implement, that's a good alternative candidate < 1275436848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but equivalent to P'' < 1275436849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1275436856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also combinatory logic < 1275436866 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's equivalent to the lambda calculus with a trivial isomorphism. < 1275436876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about the 2,3 thingy ais523 proved TC by using BCT? < 1275436885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it very simple too? < 1275436893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ah < 1275436909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes but that has the _extremely_ thorny issue of infinite setup and no halting concept < 1275436909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what makes an isomorphism trivial btw? < 1275436919 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: About on par with sed. < 1275436922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it very hard to use for esolangs, i think < 1275436924 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1275436928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BCT is simpler < 1275436928 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sed is TC. Never mind. < 1275436929 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275436930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I used it < 1275436934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, cyclic tag in general < 1275436937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCT's just a notation for it < 1275436944 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A bunch of s/// statements manage the compilation. < 1275436961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, as the general intelligence increase (but not IQ!), wouldn't the level of "trivial" change? < 1275436978 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what trivial means. :) < 1275436979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, 20 million years from now < 1275436987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things would be considered trivial < 1275437005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: /// statements are TC too ;D < 1275437020 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *Gah* string rewriting. Right. < 1275437025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not sed s/// I think < 1275437028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it isn't recursive < 1275437030 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h210.24.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275437030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like /// is < 1275437039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1275437051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, didn't you prove /// TC using BCT? < 1275437056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1275437063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also, how was BCT proved TC? < 1275437069 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. String rewriting makes it so that Tcl is Turing-complete even without any commands defined. < 1275437072 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How amusing. < 1275437080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't recall < 1275437082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, really? heh < 1275437125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, write a formal proof of it < 1275437131 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never! < 1275437135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is INTERCAL TC? < 1275437137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, oh? < 1275437149 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to wrangle the dodecalogue into TC-ness. :( < 1275437154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: easily < 1275437156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, the what? < 1275437162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't it have limited state? < 1275437170 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 12 rules that describe all of Tcl's syntax and semantics. < 1275437173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it has loads of unbounded stack < 1275437175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stacks < 1275437178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you only need 2 < 1275437179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, meh < 1275437185 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aside from the normally-provided commands) < 1275437194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: each variable has a RESTORE [iirc] stack < 1275437194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, but what about INTERCAL-72? < 1275437216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even INTERCAL-72 < 1275437219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean STASH stack < 1275437219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1275437225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1275437231 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275437232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STASH/RETRIEVE < 1275437236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally just called "a stash" < 1275437251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw alise wrote what was probably a J/INTERCAL polygot recently < 1275437268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what a random language combo < 1275437272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should check logs to see if it works from the intercal side < 1275437289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no it wasn't. It was that J comments are: NB. < 1275437296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is NB period, not just NB < 1275437300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, thinking of that combo < 1275437311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I commented on "DO NOT NOTA BENE" or such < 1275437312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to start DO or PLEASE to stop the INTERCAL erroring out immediately, though < 1275437313 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1275437316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one thing led to another < 1275437342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275437348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes the first line defines DO NOT to be a NOP from the J side iirc < 1275437369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and then you basically do: DO NOT NB. PLEASE intercal code < 1275437378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or similar < 1275437403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kept nagging about NB. PLEASE intercal DO NOT being simpler < 1275437411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and DO NOT NB. PLEASE ... of course < 1275437412 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes you could just do "DO NOT PLEASE" and screw up the politeness < 1275437432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but that doesn't work? < 1275437446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it should < 1275437457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how is NB. hidden from INTERCAL? < 1275437459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow alise thought it ugly < 1275437473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: by the DO NOT at the end of the previous line < 1275437474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: by the DO NOT on the previous line < 1275437491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275437492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275437499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, doesn't work for first line though < 1275437529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: indeed but it starts DO NOT anyway, so it just needs to be a J almost-nop < 1275437546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275437561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mouse pointer went spare for a bit < 1275437579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shuddering in a circle of about 10 pixels < 1275437604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably an LHC black hole passing by < 1275437614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, XD < 1275437625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it happened a few times before LHC anyway < 1275437638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah time travel involved clearly < 1275437652 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_prime_prime < 1275437655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway, I think it is due to some resolution issue on the surface < 1275437656 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does r ≡ λR work? < 1275437660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, everyone knows the LHC particles time travel < 1275437668 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In relation to BF < 1275437700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1275437707 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_prime_prime#Relation_to_other_programming_languages < 1275437728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275437768 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that just set the tape cell to the cell at its right? < 1275437791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know P'', so couldn't say < 1275437804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: r is equivalent to + < 1275437819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# R means move the tape-head rightward one cell (if any). < 1275437819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# λ means replace the current symbol ai by ai+1 (taking an+1 = a0), and then move the tape-head leftward one cell." < 1275437831 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how would it work? < 1275437844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, that looks like it does >+< < 1275437850 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1275437854 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought < 1275437861 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :) < 1275437863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, so do <>+< < 1275437863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, +<> < 1275437868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh right < 1275437896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm so bf is an optimisation kind of XD < 1275437913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never have thought bf was optimised compared to anything < 1275437944 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be >[-<+>]> or something? < 1275437954 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disregarding that the next cell would become 0 < 1275437975 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1275437979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1275437980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: huh? < 1275437983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, no oerjan is right < 1275438003 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait...is ai+1 to the right or left? < 1275438019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: it's the _value_ not the position < 1275438020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, no ai + is current value incremented < 1275438032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+ // < 1275438061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/incremented// < 1275438063 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But then you're just copying the value of the cell to the right to the current value, right? < 1275438071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, nop, to same < 1275438081 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275438083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: no, it's an increment at the current spot < 1275438089 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHH < 1275438092 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it now :) < 1275438094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, to move is *after* < 1275438096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the* < 1275438121 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it ai+1 instead of (ai) + 1? < 1275438121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is a stupid instruction set in part :) < 1275438136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, why would you need to put out () there? < 1275438146 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because multiplication binds tighter than addition? < 1275438151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: for some reason the symbols are called a_i rather than simply the number i < 1275438151 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because isn't ai+1 the next cell? < 1275438200 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a weird notation < 1275438202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a_0 corresponds to the BF cell value 0, and says nothing about where it is < 1275438214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait it is a_{i+1} as written on wikipedia < 1275438219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is somewhat strange < 1275438252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: i suppose it's to make it mathematically general by not saying _what_ symbols you use, just their order < 1275438264 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1275438266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, see what I said, error on wikipedia? < 1275438272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1275438277 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would r` work by wrapping? < 1275438278 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275438283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1275438283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_prime_prime section " Semantics" < 1275438297 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I meant r' not r` < 1275438341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the i+1 is an _index_. (a_i)_{i=0}^n is the sequence of symbols in the alphabet < 1275438372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes and it being i+1 as an index makes no sense < 1275438381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh wait < 1275438387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rihht < 1275438389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right* < 1275438394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in the alphabet < 1275438395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1275438400 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know where the proof of P'' being Turing-complete is? < 1275438406 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it < 1275438416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1. ^ Böhm, C.: "On a family of Turing machines and the related programming language", ICC Bull. 3, 185-194, July 1964. < 1275438416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2. ^ Böhm, C. and Jacopini, G.: "Flow diagrams, Turing machines and languages with only two formation rules", CACM 9(5), 1966. (Note: This is the most-cited paper on the structured program theorem.) < 1275438422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, in one of those I presume < 1275438429 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have those books, though :) < 1275438433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, nor do I < 1275438438 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they essays? < 1275438451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, more likely articles than essays < 1275438457 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably < 1275438465 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna google them < 1275438470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, good luck < 1275438489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777, anyway, there is an UTM implemented directly in bf listed on the bf page on the esolang wiki < 1275438496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative proof < 1275438503 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'll take a look < 1275438555 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it: http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:jsfWzj9RLwAJ:citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.119.9119%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf+Flow+diagrams,+Turing+machines+and+languages+with+only+two+formation+rules&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgh-bW5YldU2et4NaS9D0lJItEyRaiYO2N5lNEBi9jrYGjSm2xWqsjO48SCwjSFCQ52xGIp2ECu4jibe1UUwtPfd_DM_8XifhqQF4gLyrA58n62qOCiHwEHf963QyoVTFqjKCHS&sig=AHIEtbQNMV_kqHzz6ouESSojX5BgCg6aPg < 1275438560 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big URL :) < 1275438575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: there seem to be no copies on Böhm's home page, so ... oh citeseer < 1275438579 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of lambda calculus though < 1275438598 0 :Tritonio_GR1!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275438599 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just look at the BF UTM implementation < 1275438600 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1275438623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: BF is P'' prettified anyhow < 1275438671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might even suspect Böhm constructed something more like BF first, and then made P'' by minimizing the symbols < 1275438691 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1275438697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well wikipedia almost implies as much) < 1275438778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: also yeah r' wraps < 1275438799 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1275438842 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ok thanks < 1275438909 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems kind of interesting to me that the same wiki having languages like LOLCODE also has such intellectual articles on Turing-completeness :) < 1275438972 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can haz stdio"? Classic. :) < 1275439001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: you may note that boolfuck shows you don't even need more than two values 0 and 1 for TC, which means increment and decrement are the same operation < 1275439024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some people here like to hate LOLCODE. just saying. ;D < 1275439043 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's the greatest language ever :) < 1275439049 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides BF, of course. < 1275439066 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a real-time multiplayer FPS in BF. =D < 1275439127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have _certain_ I/O problems. < 1275439131 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: Requires extensions. < 1275439138 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least something akin to PSOX. < 1275439155 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know I wasn't actually taking it seriously :) < 1275439171 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could just do it in command prompt. < 1275439176 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without multiplayer, of course. < 1275439192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maedhros777: well someone _did_ make an adventure game already... < 1275439198 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1275439200 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1275439202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although not directly in BF, i think) < 1275439207 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn < 1275439218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called lostkng < 1275439221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1275439236 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it on google < 1275439242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was compiled from BASIC, i think < 1275439280 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, got to go now < 1275439282 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1275439284 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275439304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1275439363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jonripley.com/i-fiction/games/LostKingdomBF.html < 1275439446 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 LostKng. < 1275439458 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a good test of compiler speed. < 1275439479 0 :Tritonio_GR1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275440048 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275441632 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275441779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1275441938 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275442213 0 :Tritonio_GR1!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275442308 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275442379 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275442724 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275442876 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275442988 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275443061 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275443182 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275443338 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1275443395 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275443561 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1275443890 0 :Tritonio_GR1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275443901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275444069 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275444412 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275444483 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275444794 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275444804 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275444863 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275445001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275445127 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275446727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275446855 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275447270 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275448138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275448183 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1275448333 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275448650 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1275449219 0 :Warrigal!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275449263 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275449363 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :uorygl < 1275450266 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275450685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ISP is not run by humans. < 1275450692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is run by people who HATE ALL THAT IS GOOD < 1275450702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nay, not people. XD < 1275450710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By BEINGS who HATE ALL THAT IS GOOD < 1275450760 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's your ISP again? < 1275450772 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sattelite thing < 1275450829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WildBlue. < 1275451302 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275451577 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275451903 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275452000 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275452210 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1275452211 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275452618 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275452829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275452884 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275453409 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275453765 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275454051 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275454353 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275454476 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275454644 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275454669 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275454737 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275455149 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275455295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275456696 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1275457748 0 :jabb!~grue@71.94.31.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275457751 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1275458882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275459028 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275460366 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1275460646 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1275460829 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-18.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275461026 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1275462680 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275463249 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@ip67-88-128-227.z128-88-67.customer.algx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275463482 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275463646 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275463802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275463853 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275464055 0 :relet!~hirtho@159.162.68.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275465599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1275465600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1275466050 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1275466078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But oerjan isn't here. Who's swatting? < 1275466140 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably SWAT < 1275466171 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275467358 0 :atrapado!~rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275467590 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275467591 0 :P4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275467961 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275467962 0 :P4!p4@unaffiliated/p4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275468021 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275468041 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275468109 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:32ae:1:4261:86ff:fe96:fca JOIN :#esoteric < 1275468568 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275469015 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: bye < 1275469559 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275469799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275470186 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275470320 0 :Axtens!~Axtens@dsl-202-72-158-213.wa.westnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1275472873 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275473425 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275473486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But oerjan isn't here. Who's swatting? < 1275473500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's doing it preemptively these days. < 1275473533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FireFly) < 1275474186 0 :Axtens!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: it's that time of day again < 1275474649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan/ < 1275474674 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does AnMaster ever actually leave the channel? < 1275474706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't recall < 1275474959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what to do now. < 1275475107 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-236-22.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1275475879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275475880 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: good point. but does /etc/ bashrc... or cygwin. or vmware. or just listen to too mainstream music) < 1275475892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style Lovecraft < 1275475893 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1275475897 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1275475898 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1275475909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1275475909 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1275475911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275475913 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ' they have some questions to ask you a question, just like anything else; sometimes wizards were thin and gaunt and talked to her in any way will explain his conduct to the inquisitors. at length. < 1275475925 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the coolest thing ever. < 1275475948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc* < 1275475949 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1275475952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1275475952 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1275475957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275475958 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah... most bots simply parse everything on the webpage i just get back ( 3 1/ 2 < 1275475998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275476075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275477143 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@213.249.12.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275477954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1275478606 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275479692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does AnMaster ever actually leave the channel? <-- in case of thunderstorms yes < 1275479694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only then < 1275479715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also atm I'm trying to write my own number->hex formatting routine < 1275479731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :justification for not using printf: don't have it, embedded < 1275479738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a *thunderstorm* to get you off the channel? < 1275479749 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just copy printf's code? < 1275479755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, to get the bouncer on my system off the channel < 1275479762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not enough space for the code < 1275479771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, plus then I would need to format ASCII to display segments < 1275479775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the hex-printing bit. < 1275479777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going straight to the segments here < 1275479788 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, fair point. < 1275479789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : digits[0] = raw_value & 0x000f; < 1275479789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : digits[0] = raw_value & 0x00f0; < 1275479789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : digits[0] = raw_value & 0x0f00; < 1275479789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : digits[0] = raw_value & 0xf000; < 1275479794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice eh? < 1275479802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1275479805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes indexes < 1275479809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from copy and paste < 1275479812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aargh, low-level output! < 1275479819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1275479835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this is not the monitor yet < 1275479836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275479837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand it, so it scared me. < 1275479838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :display < 1275479846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it isn't output < 1275479848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is code I wrote < 1275479855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1275479858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, by bitwise and I mask out each digit < 1275479861 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is digits? < 1275479869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I get it. < 1275479870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, an array to hold one digit per byte < 1275479880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't the indices be different? < 1275479890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, " wait < 1275479890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* AnMaster fixes indexes < 1275479890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from copy and paste" < 1275479922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1275479932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I haven't yet compiled it anyway < 1275479985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait *removes that array, wastes memory* < 1275480007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it being displayed on? < 1275480009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay fun, I think it is displaying in reverse < 1275480011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the RCX < 1275480020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find you a picture of the display < 1275480044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all for your camera, right? < 1275480055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes I need to check the range of the light sensor < 1275480065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can figure out what sort of values to use when programming it < 1275480080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, 4x digits in front of the walking person icon http://www.legolab.daimi.au.dk/CSaEA/RCX/Manual.dir/Buttons.dir/rcx_buttons.gif < 1275480086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that is 7-segment iirc < 1275480118 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much memory do you have on that? < 1275480151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, total address space is 2^16. a lot of it is rom or memory mapped registers, or just not mapped to anything < 1275480155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not completely sure < 1275480162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check the CPU docs < 1275480210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lets see, the memory controller is in mode 2, so that means the middle column of the diagram applies < 1275480257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a shitty resolution < 1275480271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they put a bad jpeg in the pdf for this edition < 1275480279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for another variant from the same series they use vector graphics < 1275480279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1275480470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H0000-H0049 is interrupt vector table then 16384 bytes for the on chip PROM, can't do anything about that, then some reserved stuff... Then from H8000-HFB7F, external bus, then some reserved, then on-chip ram HFD80-HFF7F, then external bus at HFF80-HFF87, then HFF88-HFFFF is on-chip register field < 1275480491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, now, some of the external address space maps to ram and some to motor control registers iirc < 1275480510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that should however give you an approximation < 1275480511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1275480532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I code in C, I let brickOS handle the really low level stuff < 1275480543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, brickOS however is smaller than the official firmware < 1275480550 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who write this in the first place? < 1275480557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/write/wrote/ < 1275480559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wrote what? the doc? < 1275480567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrickOS < 1275480584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is on sf.net, not sure who wrote it originally < 1275480593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc all the original developers are long gone anyway < 1275480618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and I use a heavily patched version of brickOS called bibo since the sf.net project is basically dead and bitrotten < 1275480630 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitrotten? < 1275480633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275480644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or did you ask what that meant? < 1275480650 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275480661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rot < 1275480672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the second meaning there < 1275480672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose it means that SF's repositories are corrupted? < 1275480676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no it doesn't < 1275480683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bit rot, also known as bit decay, data rot, or data decay, is a colloquial computing term used to describe either a gradual decay of storage media or (facetiously) the spontaneous degradation of a software program over time" < 1275480693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, as in "no longer works with modern compilers" or similar < 1275480701 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1275480710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like with old IOCCC stuff. < 1275480712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm using old gcc and binutils anyway to be able to run this < 1275480754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, here it usually isn't compile error, rather it is gcc configure saying: "wtf is this arch you want to make a cross compiler to? I have no idea what it is!" < 1275480761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not exactly those words < 1275480767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the general gist of it ;P < 1275480810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or binutils, which at least support the arch as such saying "wtf, you think I support COFF for this platform? Only ELF, sorry" (again not word for word the error) < 1275480848 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am familiar with the general tone of error messages. < 1275480849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and then of course there is the issue of getting these old versions of binutils and gcc to compile on a modern system :D < 1275480855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I come across them frequently. < 1275480881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sure? the ROM of this thing has a rather funny error message if the magic string is missing from the downloaded firmware < 1275480886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lets start with the magic string: < 1275480895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you byte when I knock?" < 1275480899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the error if it is missing is: < 1275480905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just a bit off the block!" < 1275480925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't think that is the usual tone of the error messages ;P < 1275480932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but that's by LEGO. < 1275480943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would be more frivolous than GCC developers. < 1275480961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yeah but it isn't like no one sees it unless they are lego developers or hacking on custom firmware < 1275480980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the world can do with some more confusion. < 1275480986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1275480995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/no one/anyone/ < 1275481003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got double negation there iirc < 1275481005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275481011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not iirc... < 1275481015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as far as I can tell" < 1275481016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is better < 1275481020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I need to wake up < 1275481030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what actually gives the error? < 1275481045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it is sent back to computer over the IR protocol < 1275481062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is never displayed to the user by the normal apps < 1275481062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1275481089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate being born late for the interesting things. < 1275481145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wtf.... < 1275481151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at his code < 1275481167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? how old are you? < 1275481186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLASSIFIED < 1275481208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, among other things, I only really got into computers a couple of years ago. < 1275481229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1275481237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now. this makes no sense < 1275481247 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275481266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried turning it off and turning it on again? < 1275481298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, even more than that, I tried it in emulator as well, where I can input raw sensor value < 1275481303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it still shows 0000 all the time < 1275481314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it's plugged in? < 1275481345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sensor? yes, the sensor in the simulation? yes even more so < 1275481357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do see the sensor connected indication at the top of the screen anyway < 1275481359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1275481375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I forgot to bitshift the result < 1275481394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, the sketch doesn't go any further < 1275481399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ? < 1275481410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt9j80Jkc_A&feature=related < 1275481422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will check later < 1275481531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is the priority of & vs. >> ? < 1275481559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah & goes before >> < 1275481563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means I don't need parens yay < 1275481582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very nearly typed "C operator president" into Google there. < 1275481777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275481885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there is a "display hex" routine, hidden near the end of conio.h < 1275481885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275481888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses that < 1275481902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the fun in that? < 1275481912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that I can get on to do other stuff < 1275482007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, the raw values of my two light sensors differ quite a bit for the same light level < 1275482038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one gives black as 7700, the other as 8200 < 1275482042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex that is < 1275482089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm driving them as passive the internal red led in them id off < 1275482090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is* < 1275482216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, one of them gives a faint glow of the red led even when in passive mode? < 1275482217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1275482469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also values seem to vary between some runs < 1275482470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275482483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so calibration at startup is clearly required < 1275483296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it actually do with the camera? < 1275483832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, rotate it around the point of no parallax, and triggers the shutter at even intervals < 1275483840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should make for great panoramas < 1275483849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1275484117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it is quite a pain to reach and fix things in the lower parts now, due to all the bracing and supports < 1275484181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, it has enough bracing that it is quite feasible to lift it almost anywhere without something breaking. It is very sturdy indeed < 1275484489 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275484761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pics? < 1275486019 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1275486062 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275486889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523! < 1275486897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1275487188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it isn't done yet, I have a test picture from a prototype that used my mobile phone, think I pasted link here yesterday < 1275487528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275487577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaargh, technic beams are asymmetric... as in the hole on the side isn't vertically centred... making matching the sides of upside-down ones to ones oriented "normal" impossible < 1275487583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to solve this issue argh < 1275487772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275487784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT PICTURE MADE ME REBOOT MY COMPUTER. < 1275487787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWICE. < 1275487819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand the soul of your first-born child, AnMaster < 1275487857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why on earth did you have to reboot your computer < 1275487866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ... it opens just fine in gimp or such here < 1275487881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, be happy it wasn't the 36 MB tiff version of it. < 1275487888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was a deflate compressed tiff < 1275487890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox loads image. Firefox freezes. Whole damn computer freezes and I need to reboot. < 1275487901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it was about 96 MB as uncompressed tiff < 1275487907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, works fine in firefox here too < 1275487924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly slow yes but goes away as soon as I close the image < 1275487944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and this system is a Sempron 3300+ with 1.5 GB RAM < 1275487948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly high-end < 1275487968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The. Soul. Of. Your. First. Born. Child. < 1275487984 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still screwed my system up. < 1275487997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you did :P < 1275488004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or maybe the firefox devs < 1275488026 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get the souls of their first-born children. < 1275488027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably not the latter since it works fine here in firefox < 1275488050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a bit hard here too, I have no children. It would be rather strange if I did, I'm 20 after all... < 1275488064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can wait. < 1275488068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275488074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but you won't get it anyway < 1275488090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, however, how could firefox freeze anything but itself? < 1275488090 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY? < 1275488103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, at the worst, ctrl-atl-backspace would have killed X and every X app < 1275488108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to reboot then < 1275488116 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not care. < 1275488132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how much RAM? < 1275488137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 MB is my guess < 1275488140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 max < 1275488145 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2GB IIRC. < 1275488155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yet it works on my system with 1.5 GB? < 1275488157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without issues < 1275488177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and I had like 4 rows of tabs open when I tested < 1275488189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a very large monitor with maximised firefox window < 1275488197 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, 4 *rows*? < 1275488205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, what about it? < 1275488232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox doesn't even make tabs into rows in the first place... < 1275488240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, fits 18 tabs in each row < 1275488245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, tab mix plus addon < 1275488245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1275488253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1275488271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you had about 80 tabs open at once? < 1275488284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, about that yes < 1275488294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!?!?!? < 1275488295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was one empty place on the last row < 1275488303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the image was open that is < 1275488311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was in them? < 1275488320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, um, a lot of different things? < 1275488385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h8300 cross compiler stuff fills about one row, then some other RCX and general lego stuff fills quite a bit elsewhere, then some esolang pages, a bit about vhdl < 1275488391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of other misc stuff < 1275489152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, was it you who linked to that support thing video? < 1275489160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275489163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, only had time to look at it now < 1275489173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and the thing the second guy said made perfect sense to me < 1275489179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, also. < 1275489196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well only under windows. It doesn't work like that under linux afaik < 1275489210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not *perfect*, since I don't do Windows, but I know what system calls are and can guess the rest. < 1275489239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I messed with windows kernel debugger over serial cable once just for fun < 1275489249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a fair idea of what that specific bit refers to < 1275489278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually virtual serial cable, between two windows VMs < 1275489460 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1275489470 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh, I wish I had an idea on what to do now. < 1275489498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am at the stage where I can feasibly implement the backpropagation algorithm, so I suppose I'll do that. < 1275489619 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tomscott.com/evil/ < 1275489630 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testament to the stupidity of Facebookers. < 1275489784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am at the stage where I can feasibly implement the backpropagation algorithm, so I suppose I'll do that. <-- ? < 1275489801 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing neural networks in Lisp. < 1275489807 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an idea I had. < 1275489810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I know nothing about those < 1275490044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look, I changed one line of code and I have people's phone numbers popping up on my screen. < 1275490375 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.3/20100401080539] < 1275490962 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1275491906 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275491907 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-22-134.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1275492418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to at some point write a program that looks like it does one thing but actually does something completely different < 1275492739 0 :Axtens!~Axtens@CPE-121-221-182-170.lns5.pie.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1275492982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, look, I changed one line of code and I have people's phone numbers popping up on my screen. <-- what? < 1275493005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover wants to at some point write a program that looks like it does one thing but actually does something completely different <-- a trojan? < 1275493017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps a harmless trojan < 1275493028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link I posted above searches Facebook for groups wherein people ask their friends for numbers after losing their phone. < 1275493611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god I hate computing exams. < 1275493693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1275493855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275493888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275493904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hate the way this client handles ping timeouts. < 1275493976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I hate the exams more. < 1275494023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wtf: "After driving STBY low, keep RES low for a minimum delay of 0 ns, if less the RAM contents might not be retained" < 1275494030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone messed up their docs < 1275494520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must keep RES low for at LEAST no time. < 1275494528 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275494556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously want to shoot whoever made my computing curriculum. < 1275494577 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the only subject I have taken where actually having prior knowledge is a disadvantage. < 1275494705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1275494719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I sympathise, the IT GCSE here was rather stupid < 1275494740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least at my old school they didn't do Computing GCSEs at all. < 1275494743 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1275494758 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they basically started with using the mouse and worked up at a glacial rate. < 1275494860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they literally started with the mouse, actually. < 1275494911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After logging in to the school system and clicking about 5 different things to start the damn thing, it assumed that you had no idea what a mouse was. < 1275495365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck computers < 1275495422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying...................... < 1275495427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the ironing! < 1275495455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you're whistling into a phone to send that to the IRC server. < 1275495491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know someone who knew someone who could make the dialup tone like that) < 1275495536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm using a computer < 1275495554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean *that*. < 1275495571 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be painful. < 1275495580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i meant computers are stupid < 1275495586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one likes them < 1275495594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing ironingbout that < 1275495597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* a < 1275495651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate insert, no one has ever had any use for the button, not one single use, and still it's there, and also it seems like there's some button combination that puts it on other than the insert button which i haven't figured out because occasionally insert is just on for no reason < 1275495659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATEHATEHATEHATEIT < 1275495706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert is extremely useful when you're programming in fungoids. < 1275495722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit... that's probably true < 1275495727 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275495756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so maybe those 5 people in the universe that program in fungoids are happy about insert < 1275495791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pause/Break, now *that's* useless. < 1275495866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're clearly better at having opinions than me < 1275495930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use insert, I use R in vim < 1275495943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just 4 people < 1275495983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think I used it even before I began using vim to program fungeoids < 1275496013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Deewiant is better at having MY OPINIONS, this is not a good day. < 1275496029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275496043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275496047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1275496057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish vim had reverse replace, though < 1275496060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Everest peak of useless keys is Scroll Lock. < 1275496066 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT DOES NOTHING AT ALL. < 1275496068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I sympathise, the IT GCSE here was rather stupid <-- GCSE? < 1275496070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER. < 1275496074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEREVEREVER. < 1275496081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, scroll lock does useful things < 1275496082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an exam done at the age of 16 < 1275496095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prevents terminal continue to scroll < 1275496100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can read what is on it, then continue < 1275496104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least in theory < 1275496108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to get you into low-end jobs like supermarket shelf-stacking, and good GCSE results are needed to be accepted into college so you can try for A-levels < 1275496114 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the vim docs: "There is no reverse replace mode (yet)." < 1275496125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: General Certificate of Standard Education < 1275496131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what would reverse replace do? < 1275496138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Surely not? < 1275496158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow the English system is weirder than I thought. < 1275496162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kb doesn't have scroll lok < 1275496165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the college I went to required five Bs at GCSE in order to consider people for A-level < 1275496165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lock < 1275496166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Same as reverse insert, but replace instead of insert. < 1275496171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so how old are you? I don't think I got an answer last time I asked.. < 1275496181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell, if you fail your GCSEs you're destined to become a criminal or a prostitute or something < 1275496182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do A-level in college in England? < 1275496184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did < 1275496189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, unless stated otherwise I will assume 16 ;P < 1275496193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing a PhD atm, though < 1275496200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, btw which country are you in? < 1275496202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: [DATA EXPUNGED] < 1275496206 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Scotland. < 1275496208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275496211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's "6th-form college" < 1275496215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, UK has different systems!? < 1275496219 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1275496224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1275496225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you're so lucky, I've heard that the Scottish education system is a lot more sensible than the one in England and Wales < 1275496232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also, how often do you wear a kilt and play the bagpipe? ;P < 1275496235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1275496236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Scottish one was made by some monkeys on an undisclosed ut powerful drug. < 1275496239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one for England and Wales, a different one for Scotland, and a different one for Northern Ireland < 1275496252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE ARE 4 TYPES OF FAIL AT STANDARD GRADE. < 1275496267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT USES A DIFFERENT GRADING SYSTEM TO EVERYTHING ELSE> < 1275496277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in theory, there are three types of fail at GCSE in England < 1275496278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT'S COMPOSED OF THREE DIFFERENT EXAMS. < 1275496283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Same as reverse insert, but replace instead of insert. <-- reverse inset? < 1275496285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert* < 1275496296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I have no clue what that would do < 1275496305 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::he ins-reverse < 1275496308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, there's more like five or six, because D, E, and sometimes C are technically passing grades, but not accepted by most companies < 1275496320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or colleges < 1275496320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "vim: command not found", there is vi though, heirloom toolkit vi < 1275496332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why do you not have vim installed? < 1275496336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it installed even though I hardly ever use it < 1275496342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full set of Scottish exams: Standard Grade (Foundation, General and Credit), Int 1 and 2, something called Access 3 if you're too stupid to live, Higher and Advanced Higher. < 1275496343 0 :Axtens!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: bedtime < 1275496354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything before university is completely useless, why do they bother testing people who haven't been taught anything yet < 1275496364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I never use it, it is incompatible with me. It always wants to be in another mode than me. And so on < 1275496367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares what random bits of information or understanding they have in their head < 1275496373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: to justify not having taught them anything useful for years < 1275496385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: They do teach you stuff. Not much stuff, though. < 1275496398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh National Curriculum < 1275496399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The vim docs are online, just google +vim +ins-reverse < 1275496402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so is it just like typing abcd would give dcba? < 1275496411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i understand the bureaucratical reasons, that wasn't actually a question < 1275496417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yep < 1275496420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1275496437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, where does the cursor move during this? < 1275496442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it stay still? < 1275496445 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stays still < 1275496455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes maybe, but i sometimes exaggerate < 1275496458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, relative which margin? < 1275496459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fun < 1275496464 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stays still < 1275496478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, after all normal insert would stay still relative the right margin < 1275496483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess i'm totally serious < 1275496493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so I assume it stays still relative the left margin in this case < 1275496504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Ireland uses GCSE as well. < 1275496505 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you can think of it like that if you like < 1275496511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Northern < 1275496515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, :) < 1275496526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, reverse overwrite would be useful for befunge editing I suppose < 1275496533 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1275496579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-x picture-mode < 1275496599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as forwards and backwards, it lets you write vertically or even diagonally < 1275496601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great for Befunge < 1275496632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about a delta of 3,4 < 1275496632 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275496644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't do that AFAIK < 1275496647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing's perfect < 1275496770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only emacs had good text editing capabilities < 1275496822 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you somehow tell Chanserv to stdu or at least skip that standard message for you? < 1275496850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1275496861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ignore ChanServ might work, but there are other reasons why that might be a bad idea < 1275496935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275497103 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275497231 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1275497272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you somehow tell Chanserv to stdu or at least skip that standard message for you? <-- does it hurt? < 1275497290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it seems like a small detail not worth bothering about to me < 1275497297 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get private messages in a different tab. it's just annoying. < 1275497310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relet, afaik chanserv sends notices < 1275497321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hm I think the entry message is set per channel? < 1275497343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue if #esoteric has one set < 1275497353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses a bouncer and wouldn't notice it < 1275497388 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the first channel that does from many I have been in lately. < 1275497432 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could just use a meaningful topic, if you really want to tell people what the channel is about. :D < 1275497451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relet, the /topic? < 1275497456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't related to chanserv at all < 1275497471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relet, and I think tradition dictates we have silly stuff in /topic < 1275497487 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a good tradition, I think. < 1275497514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and logs, but that is some freenode rule that says that if a channel have public logs, then it must be mentioned in /topic < 1275497516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1275497553 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind if ChanServ sent me a new silly message every time I join. < 1275497577 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the blandness of it that makes it annoying < 1275497577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275497586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relet, what message was it for this channel < 1275497606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there is/was some random "do not troll" message sent randomly during some joins < 1275497610 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See.. I already forgot... let me check. < 1275497616 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275497617 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275497624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1275497632 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ: (notice) [#esoteric] Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Check out our wiki: http://www.esolangs.org < 1275497635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275497639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is set per channel < 1275497648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue who has access to change it < 1275497652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament I guess < 1275497657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe oerjan < 1275497663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, it seems quite sane < 1275497679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relet, after all, we do get some people here every now and then who think it is about esoterica.... < 1275497689 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just mention the url in the topic. Welcome messages are so Web 1.0 < 1275497701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relet, hey, irc is so web 0.0.1 < 1275497706 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With topics like the current one, I'm not surprised < 1275497708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the fact it isn't web < 1275497716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well there is the entry message... < 1275497726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also alise set it. go figure < 1275497738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually miss the entry message since it goes in the server-messages window < 1275497747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan changed the welcome a couple of days ago. < 1275497756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was complaining about the dead link in it. < 1275497765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does it refer to "norton utilities" you think? < 1275497779 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike you, I don't think everything is a reference < 1275497792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it would be rather silly though if it did < 1275497796 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wassup guise < 1275497826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Insert topic here | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | Do not insert topic here. < 1275497876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! Do not disrespect Emperor Norton! < 1275497881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275497896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was real, you know. Google it. < 1275497962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1275497968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he had nothing to do with Norton Security < 1275497981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a lunatic < 1275498060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An AWESOME lunatic. < 1275498062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275498073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1275498078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275498088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well yes < 1275498096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wrong button I presume? < 1275498118 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: An AWESOME lunatic. < 1275498153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody connection. < 1275498161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that got through < 1275498172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to which I replied what I said < 1275498177 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conmunidad < 1275498183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also it wasn't you connection: "* Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving)" < 1275498191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a QUIT :Leaving < 1275498193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the client < 1275498225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's mainly because the ping goes funny and once the connection is restored sanity does not return. < 1275498657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strnage < 1275498659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange* < 1275499400 0 :jamesstanley!~james@cpc2-stav6-0-0-cust1435.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275499579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275499603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275499614 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275499615 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the thing is " quantum-complete"? -g ( was that fnord thing too. :) :( putty doesn't like that < 1275499871 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275500074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY < 1275500086 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMUNIST! < 1275500102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1275500216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i have over 5 years worth of university credits < 1275500373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1275500398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many physical years have you done, i forget < 1275500453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-3? < 1275500456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two, although i didn't do anything during this last period, so i guess more like 1.75; although this is a bit of a lie because i did stuff during high school (almost 50 points, i now have 307 and 320 or something after i return my bachelor's) < 1275500465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually maybe more like 40) < 1275500474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 30) < 1275500476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 50) < 1275500494 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(60 being the "expected" amount per year) < 1275500535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so you have superhuman endurance. got it. < 1275500535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people seem to get much less done on average here, or maybe everyone i know is just slow < 1275500555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's a few who do more < 1275500611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the it dep you could pretty much just take all the courses, if i didn't aim for a 5.0 average i could do that and still spend my weekends partying like a monkey < 1275500644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i don't like computers < 1275500677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you never use computers then. < 1275500695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no obvious contradictions in that conclusion. < 1275500735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom made the same remark < 1275500745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1275500764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the people that make irc enjoyable, not the computer < 1275500773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do use this thing for other things < 1275500782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not proud of it < 1275500786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i totally am < 1275500798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so fucking proud i could write a song about it < 1275500835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gonna tho < 1275500838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i will < 1275501020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I demand the soul of your first-born child, AnMaster < 1275501036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clearly phantom hoover = soul collector < 1275501270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't use insert, I use R in vim <-- i sometimes use Insert in vim, it toggles between R and i modes after all < 1275501348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was some sort of chuck norris doesn't use insert joke kind of thing type of anecdote < 1275501351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first < 1275501363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't very funny < 1275501393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally chuck norris doesn't use insert, since he never makes any errors he just types the entire file from start to finish < 1275501497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, arrow keys are broken in vim IMO. And so is enter at end of line in the middle of the file, and backspace at start of line < 1275501498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1275501507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the whole vim is very wtf < 1275501514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ed makes more sense < 1275501531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't recall how arrow keys or enter are broken < 1275501577 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aye, but I never (as far as I can recall) feel the need to do that < 1275501578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a number of settings to change their behavior, though < 1275501617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in vi? < 1275501622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vim? < 1275501628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem about equally bad to me < 1275501634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know vi specifically < 1275501637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, emacs for me, or nano. < 1275501652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nano is quite nice for quick config file editing as root < 1275501655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you still haven't explained _how_ they are broken < 1275501679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, iirc, enter took me to next line, didn't insert a newline < 1275501680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1275501691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this was years ago < 1275501696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remember the brokenness < 1275501698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the details < 1275501702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you were probably in normal rather than insert mode < 1275501703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what os do you use? < 1275501711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I avoided /vim?/ since then < 1275501717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, IMO insert is the normal mode of editing < 1275501718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: windows XP < 1275501722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, overwrite is not the normal < 1275501726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol only noobs use windows < 1275501738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure, and i just tested here and enter certainly starts a new line < 1275501739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn < 1275501753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, didn't* ehird use windows95 for a bit? < 1275501759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like during last year < 1275501775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh and by insert mode i don't mean the overwrite/insert distinction < 1275501788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, then what do you mean? < 1275501794 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1275501794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the command mode? < 1275501800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it wasn't that < 1275501822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably was since that's what enter does by default in normal mode < 1275501828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there is only one vi(m) command worth remembering: < 1275501828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what i mean is the distinction between normal (command) and insert mode is the fundamental one in vi(m) < 1275501831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::q! < 1275501832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Command mode exists and is not normal mode) < 1275501847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh right < 1275501849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you start it due to a typo of a command < 1275501861 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one emacs command worth remembering: C-x C-c < 1275501875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1275501882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, nano then? < 1275501886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh whatever you're just trolling < 1275501892 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even worth remembering anything for nano :-P < 1275501904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah it has that list at the bottom < 1275501906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful I guess < 1275501926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, nano is quite nice IMO for simple stuff where you don't need syntax highlight < 1275501930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as editing fstab or whatever < 1275501961 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim is better :-P < 1275501977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ed! < 1275501983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not ed. < 1275501996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes, ed < 1275502007 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275502024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :men jag skulle inte svära ed pÃ¥ att ed är bäst ;P < 1275502046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, ais523 joined, I thought the only active people knew Swedish... meh can't translate the joke really < 1275502063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to it being a pun) < 1275502067 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been a-lurking < 1275502089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well, translating puns is hard. Suffice to say "ed" is a Swedish word < 1275502089 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh? < 1275502099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning "oath" < 1275502101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1275502115 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, "Ed" is but a name in English. < 1275502129 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess that's cognate with "oath". < 1275502143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1275502167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the german is "Eid" iirc < 1275502189 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "Schwur"? < 1275502203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently both. < 1275502214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like "swear"? < 1275502228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from schweren right < 1275502232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"svära" would be the cognate of those < 1275502250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ich hab einen schwur geschworen < 1275502252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no:sverge) < 1275502299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sverige < 1275502312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was not going to point out that < 1275502334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're not pronounced the same though, hard vs. soft g) < 1275502356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yep < 1275502366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrt svära) < 1275502367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swedish sound is neither of the english g's < 1275502378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what hard and soft mean < 1275502386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more like english y < 1275502391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no, < 1275502395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the soft or hard one? < 1275502401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both < 1275502402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the soft one < 1275502404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1275502421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you mean like "sverje"? < 1275502422 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g historically turns to the same as j in front of frontal vowels < 1275502425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1275502435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, sverje is how swedes pronounce it < 1275502442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well yes that is how you pronounce it, but _iirc_ there are some dialects where this is not true < 1275502448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot which ones < 1275502452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also norwegians, for the most part < 1275502478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and we pronounce Norge as Norje unless we are trying to imitate Norwegians < 1275502490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh norge is pronounced with a hard g in norwegian < 1275502497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, but not in Swedish < 1275502498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as "irritate norwegians" < 1275502505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: THAT TOO < 1275502509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that too maybe. Don't know how they feel about it < 1275502510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275502523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, argh, how did you learn to write that fast? < 1275502539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah how can you write two words faster than AnMaster can write a sentence < 1275502541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured I had a lot of time < 1275502555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, exactly! oerjan is a very slow typer! < 1275502565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Norge, Norge, det är ett ruttet land" < 1275502566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... was, yesterday < 1275502578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do ruttet mean the same as in Swedish? < 1275502585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that _is_ swedish < 1275502590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275502594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an okay typer but i'm a very slow thinker < 1275502594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian would be "rottent", i think < 1275502600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rÃ¥ttent < 1275502614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also no, it is greasy, from all that oil < 1275502635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :major distinction < 1275502638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1275502652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, your oil platforms < 1275502657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure whether's he's being trolled right now < 1275502693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, more like absurd humour < 1275502700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if you were allowed that recently so am I! < 1275502701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles and concludes AnMaster is lying < 1275502714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? < 1275502718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruttet definitely means rotten < 1275502718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about it being absurd humor? < 1275502731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not greasy < 1275502731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh I didn't mean rutten = oily < 1275502737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant Norway was oily, not rotten < 1275502738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1275502748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah well < 1275502778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nearly slipped outside the Fram museum.... < 1275502780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the oil is exported anyway < 1275502782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangerous stuff... < 1275502928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : From the vim docs: "There is no reverse replace mode (yet)." <-- you'd probably want all four, or is it eight, directions available, like emacs picture mode < 1275502942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1275502948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also ais523 mentioned that... < 1275502974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway, how tricky could it be writing a few line of whatever scripting language vim uses to add that feature < 1275502981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that picture mode is more or less the only reason i've sometimes in the past considered emacs < 1275502983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is like in emacs, not very tricky < 1275502984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ideally, yes, but for starters, that'd be nice :-) < 1275502993 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably very tricky < 1275502996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what? < 1275503001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of shitty software is that < 1275503003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can add new modes < 1275503023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why not < 1275503030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are the existing ones added? < 1275503036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C. < 1275503040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1275503044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid design < 1275503061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, aren't the keys just mapped to some "insert self" function? < 1275503076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could override that with some more complex thing < 1275503086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In insert mode, yes < 1275503087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can do in emacs (note: note sure if picture mode does it like that or not) < 1275503109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can certainly override on a per-character basis, don't know about at large < 1275503110 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be possible somehow < 1275503120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be an autocmd for "character inserted" < 1275503126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so then just add something that replaces the hook for key press to be something else than self insert < 1275503127 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, you'd have to map every possible character < 1275503139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by defining insertion mode abbreviations) < 1275503147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Right: they're not "insert self", they're "insert " < 1275503154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait < 1275503164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, okay < 1275503169 0 :jabb_!~4a73b064@gateway/web/freenode/x-mgzxzpkblfryltsa JOIN :#esoteric < 1275503175 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1275503176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how does that interact with different keyboard layouts? < 1275503183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jabb_: ??? < 1275503216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It works. The default insert mappings are magic, I'm pretty sure. < 1275503222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh < 1275503227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. they're not mapped. < 1275503229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1275503242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, vim's code base sounds like a mess < 1275503253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and the scripting capabilities sound very limited < 1275503261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about the code, but the scripting is limited, yes. < 1275503283 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lot less limited than a lot of more "normal" editors', but certainly much more limited than emacs's < 1275503319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm abbreviations don't do what i meant, so i guess it's mappings < 1275503337 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you even can imap an ordinary letter < 1275503343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if picture-mode and viper interacts badly or not < 1275503350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be a solution for Deewiant < 1275503353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viper sucks < 1275503355 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vimpulse sucks < 1275503363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vimpulse? never heard of it < 1275503373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and viper, I never used, didn't see the point < 1275503393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw, why did you consider emacs due to the picture mode? < 1275503419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fung < 1275503420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :imap a b works fine < 1275503429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, cool < 1275503438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fungoids, ascii graphics < 1275503447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275503451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah, don't remember you doing much with fungoids? < 1275503461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's done more than you < 1275503465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ascii graphics? < 1275503477 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a CursorMovedI event < 1275503483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i _started_ an unlambda interpreter but never finished more than the parser < 1275503491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which may or may not activate on insertion < 1275503511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably it was 98 < 1275503521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275503548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least something with unlimited fungespace < 1275503553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda parser in 93 sounds like quite an exercise in concise < 1275503558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1275503569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only befunge program is 93 with unlimited fs < 1275503585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember what it does wait yes i do < 1275503709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wait, did you mean "I haven't tested yet, and not documented" or "specifically documented as "may or may not activate on insertion"? < 1275503746 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's not that retarded :-P < 1275503791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275503817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what does it do? < 1275503853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw do you have a 93 version of your "generate befunge number" script? < 1275503868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call it a script < 1275503869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a calculator with single digit numbers..... < 1275503871 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it supports 93 < 1275503901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't have much ambition back then i guess < 1275503902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah nice, forgot if you made it public... < 1275503911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By default it uses decimal, hex, and ASCII printable chars; you can config it to use only decimal, only decimal+hex, or decimal,hex,latin1 < 1275503918 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I've put it up anywhere < 1275503929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, okay can you generate 1208925819614629174706176 in befunge98 for me < 1275503947 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1275503950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh? < 1275503952 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see if I have the binary anywhere < 1275503977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it support bignum, that is more than 2^64 < 1275503994 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it < 1275503998 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4'@'@::**:*:*** < 1275504012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275504029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I guess powers of two are quite easy < 1275504034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275504041 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speed depends mostly on the speed of factor(1) on it < 1275504047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does it only do multiplications? Or addition as well? < 1275504063 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you get primes without addition :-P < 1275504079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky < 1275504085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed < 1275504104 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to do subtraction too but it didn't seem to help much so I removed it < 1275504129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've actually ever needed subtraction for anything < 1275504169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they just have it for like completeness, because there's addition so it makes sense to have a kind of antiddition < 1275504170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you and your positive-only thinking < 1275504174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about 956960600005639447752170498370241 < 1275504187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hint: this is two large primes multiplied < 1275504188 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'G'!8"++1}r"+']45'@**+******+"/*H"f' '@*+"IT@"f4+**+":KuQ"d4'@*+***+****+* < 1275504193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, okay fast computer < 1275504198 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A school computer < 1275504209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that could mean anything < 1275504209 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in Windows so I don't have access to it on my own computer < 1275504221 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a bit worse than my machine < 1275504224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be smaller to just write "that number"(convert to number) < 1275504226 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9400 @ 2.66GHz < 1275504242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's been pointed out at some point because it's kind of a trivial observation < 1275504247 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has < 1275504248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, subtraction is just addition of negative numbers after all < 1275504254 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "convert to number" is long < 1275504276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think i've ever actually seen a negative number outside textbooks < 1275504289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, challenge: 131270734444548411694897002275486554358434553057 < 1275504292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting concept yes, but it's not actually very useful < 1275504308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, eh, -2 C outside or such? < 1275504310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Deewiant how well can your code call the factor program someone else coded for that number?!? < 1275504311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a negative number < 1275504325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and you never look at thermometers I assume < 1275504334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err everyone sane uses kelvins < 1275504338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1275504355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland most people don't even know negative numbers exist < 1275504363 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone sane uses Fahrenheit. And not this newfangled "0 < 1" scale either! < 1275504370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, but normal temps on normal "how cold is it outside today" style thermometers use C I assume? < 1275504384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, was Fahrenheit upside down as well? < 1275504387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally I meant < 1275504392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think they use kelvins < 1275504415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, any comments on this? You live in Finland and you are saner than oklopol < 1275504428 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses Kelvins :-P < 1275504429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what scale do common, non-scientific thermometers use? < 1275504436 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Centigrade < 1275504476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right, as I suspected. You only use kelvin if doing stuff with liquid nitrogen or colder. Or for things with temperature around that of the sun < 1275504496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never even TASTED someone use anything but kelvins in binary < 1275504507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1275504521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone use a scale that has 100 so deeply integrated in its guts < 1275504523 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess scientists use mostly Kelvin in most countries < 1275504526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a horrible number < 1275504528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or of course for white point in colour calibration < 1275504547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yep. But I doubt they use it to talk about how cold it was while waiting for the bus this morning ;P < 1275504551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's best not to think about temperatures at all < 1275504554 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite < 1275504563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: kelvin also has 100 deeply ingrained, it's just a bit better hidden < 1275504570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just said taht < 1275504571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1275504584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh wait" < 1275504591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i realized kelvins in binary doesn't help < 1275504599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275504614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nonsensical bases are fun? < 1275504629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again who the fuck gives a shit about water so i guess it's okay that the random number 100 is associated with it < 1275504634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1275504639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i love water < 1275504642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 10 doesn't really make any sense except anatomically < 1275504646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was swimming yesterday < 1275504651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water is so deliciously wet < 1275504659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.5 meters deep no one can judge ya < 1275504666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275504674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly dive when i'm swimming < 1275504678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275504710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the other thing i like to do is play in the shallow end and it's embarrassing because i'm not 7. < 1275504719 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: factor(1) seems to be failing on that number < 1275504730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica can do it in 7 seconds on my home machine < 1275504735 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of derivations of brainfuck... < 1275504747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jabb_: yes, and none of them is as cool as toi < 1275504773 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Cheating: "/*H"f' '@*+"IT@"f4+**+":KuQ"d4'@*+***+****+7'!8'/5'b'@*+'o4'@'U3'@*+**+'+'H2b'@***+")@OyA0@"*+***+******+* < 1275504794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your program has an option to give the factorization? < 1275504802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1275504803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even tho you're using it from the binary < 1275504807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so very cheat okay < 1275504813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot humans can write code too < 1275504827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just fungified the two factors I got from Mathematica separately and appended * < 1275504845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program would've done the same thing eventually < 1275504855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i realized that before i even said what i said < 1275504859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i had to empty my queue < 1275504873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1275504875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how is it cheating? < 1275504885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you use but one dimension < 1275504887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as in, you did it in two parts? < 1275504889 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the program didn't do it all by itself < 1275504892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because it was a challenge for the program < 1275504899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah < 1275504918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay he didn't understand the part you explicitly said a few lines ago < 1275504922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what algorithm do you use for factorisation? < 1275504926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought he didn't understand how that was cheating < 1275504931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I was reading scrollback < 1275504931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: factor(1) < 1275504937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a bit busy there < 1275504946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah, you invoke an external program. I see < 1275504946 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I've said or implied a couple of times now < 1275504962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes i know i just don't like misreading people's minds < 1275504964 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because factor(1) is much better than anything I could come up with :-P < 1275504970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a factor to reckon with < 1275504987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, shell out to mathematica? ;P < 1275504993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or W|A < 1275505023 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W|A doesn't answer < 1275505031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually have no idea what the best factorization algos are < 1275505038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they, please go through them in detail < 1275505042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica could work but then I'd have to check whether it exists, for factor(1) I can just assume it :-P < 1275505063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so fall back on factor? < 1275505085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing mathematica you should probably check the answer is correct, too... < 1275505088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also you can't assume factor. I'm almost completely certain it isn't POSIX < 1275505103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "FactorInteger switches between trial division, Pollard p-1, Pollard rho, elliptic curve and quadratic sieve algorithms. " < 1275505117 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Of course I can fall back but I'd still have to check something < 1275505124 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: For factor(1) I can reasonably list it as a dependency < 1275505131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so i know two of those < 1275505153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i've heard of elliptic curve methods but no idea how they would help < 1275505169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh < 1275505233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, all I know is that they are linked to a lot of stuff that concerns cryptography < 1275505237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: factor evidently uses Pollard rho: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/factor-invocation.html < 1275505243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ok < 1275505248 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it says that it's bad for numbers with big factors < 1275505257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for example, numbers which are the product of two large primes" < 1275505261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leers at AnMaster and his number < 1275505274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I knew factor had that issue yes < 1275505275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't pollard rho like 2^sqrt(n) < 1275505282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue < 1275505284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not the details of why < 1275505290 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know trial division < 1275505296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrrrrrr < 1275505306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it manages just fine on one large and several small < 1275505319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes possibly it could be that, i seem to have forgotten how it works < 1275505326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so what I did, enter some large random numbers, until I got some large primes, then multiplied them < 1275505331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess it couldn't < 1275505341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the complexity of trial division < 1275505360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no umm < 1275505363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'm being a retard < 1275505368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone kick me < 1275505376 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks oklopol  < 1275505586 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloklopol < 1275505612 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h123.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275505615 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1275505625 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so my shrooming adventures bore no fruit. < 1275505632 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some really cool red mushrooms though. < 1275505640 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they'd probably kill me if I ate them. No good. < 1275505643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah drugs are never the answer < 1275505649 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh, < 1275505654 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you think. < 1275505677 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrooms are the only thing that's not shit. < 1275505697 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as drugs. < 1275505719 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, I've got some cool ideas for a stack based language. I just need to figure out a ridgid semantics. < 1275505744 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll use an assembly like syntax, to make it like a VM intermediate. < 1275505773 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... tree-based, not stack. Technically graph -- since there's both hard and soft references. < 1275506060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want a distinction? < 1275506104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : shrooms are the only thing that's not shit. < 1275506104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : as far as drugs. < 1275506104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in any case, I've got some cool ideas for a stack based language. I just need to figure out a ridgid semantics. < 1275506109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275506154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be an usable way to invent new esolangs: get high and have crazy ideas < 1275506163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think so < 1275506170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not ime < 1275506193 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's less crap (for IM, not irc) < 1275506198 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the language builds a huge tree, where the data constructors are bytes, floats, symbols, references (soft), and links (hard). Nodes are implitcitly enumerated and optionally named with a file-system like structures to handle scoping. The nodes can also be explicitly named and unenumerated (by giving it a name that with a dot) < 1275506202 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidgin or telepathy? < 1275506203 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and yes, it definitely is. < 1275506225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telepathy is better < 1275506236 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1275506247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is telepathy a program? < 1275506259 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275506263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise your question makes no sense < 1275506263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1275506277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i retract my statement < 1275506319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know pidgin is crap (i extrapolate this from knowing it's aprogram) < 1275506320 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no convention, but methods can be defined by storing operations in the tree without using the call operation on a symbol. Call basically is basically a goto instruction for symbols, and will move control flow to the branch in the tree with the given name. The "call" instruction also sets a .return link within the method program-tree < 1275506321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a program < 1275506371 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be used as a reference to the calling code... to do anything with (such as evaluate and return control flow, but it doesn't have to do either, thus allowing arbitrary control flow due to being embedded within the data structure of the language) < 1275506407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods laptop < 1275506413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an odd failure mode for X < 1275506415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gnome < 1275506417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1275506455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, clicking stuff like buttons didn't do anything, clicking other apps in the taskbar sometimes worked, clicking inactive window did nothing. Clicking tabs in a window worked < 1275506457 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-88-136.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275506459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this applied to all programs < 1275506466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :restarting X "fixed" it < 1275506478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing strange like dbus crashing or such in the logs < 1275506530 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be textual macros as well... to shorten the source code itself, along with the lisp-like "runtime macros", because they can arbitrarily change the structure of the calling codes neighboring nodes. The typical "standard function" semantic would be to have arguments as the children of the function symbol node. So you make a function symbol with argument children and do the call instruction on the symbol, and then the fu < 1275506539 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "and then the fu" < 1275506546 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :) < 1275506572 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend a client that can auto-split lines so you don't have to worry about cutoff < 1275506581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, your client cut it off there < 1275506584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what Deewiant meant < 1275506591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, what was after it < 1275506601 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the function will destroy the childre and replace the calling symbol with the result. < 1275506661 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by accessing .return . Oh and the unenumerated .. node represents a parent. < 1275506668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you're talking about trees < 1275506687 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so reference .return/.. would reference the calling nodes parent. < 1275506710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the destroy the children function sounded weird out of context < 1275506716 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :) < 1275506730 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION destroys oklopol's children < 1275506731 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...also, filesystem - in tree < 1275506731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, not using IM is better < 1275506747 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you are such a useful and purposeful person < 1275506750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, or: two tin cans with a bit of string in between < 1275506754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works really well < 1275506758 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the root of the tree is builtin to each program. Stuff like system resources... the file system even as part of the tree. < 1275506758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but think about the children! < 1275506764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, :) < 1275506799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that is what he did. You forget to say he shouldn't think nasty things about them < 1275506887 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to define methods, you'd append children to /f... because it's the standard place to store functions in order to seperate them from the code data. < 1275506896 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*functions lol, methods..... too much Java programming. < 1275507032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes think only good things about my children, BUT NOT *TOO* GOOD < 1275507054 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275507055 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO would be simulated with graphs I guess. You could store methods in a sub-node < 1275507080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm methods should have several member classes, which contain namespaces contain aspect oriented templates with lot of buzz words < 1275507083 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275507088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting observation, "ninety nine" means "fucking, i fuck" in finnish < 1275507103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when pronounced) < 1275507108 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "I fuck while fucking"? < 1275507110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that isn't very esoteric, it is just java + C++ rotated 180° < 1275507124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ungrammatical "act of fucking i fuck" < 1275507148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was tons of fun when i was 5 < 1275507161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you don't have the issue that Swedish has. en:six = sv:sex < 1275507183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what is "six" in finnish? < 1275507194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kuusi" < 1275507201 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoface < 1275507215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275507255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't you have a word for sex that sounds like sex? < 1275507285 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'seksii taimii' < 1275507304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1275507370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Actually not since the t in "ninety" is aspirated < 1275507389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well yes, en:sex == sv:sex as well. But that is a relatively new word for the concept I think < 1275507393 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ninety" can be pronounced a bunch of ways. < 1275507395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Swedish that is) < 1275507424 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nainti" is the most proper pronunciation; you can also hear "naindi" or "naini". < 1275507433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: but none of them is the finnish one < 1275507435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not aspirated, it's voiced < 1275507439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not aspirated < 1275507440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275507442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what Deewiant said < 1275507506 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is 'aspirated'? < 1275507507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway t is always aspirated so i consider it close enough < 1275507521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspiration_%28phonetics%29 < 1275507565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i shouldn't but at least my mother not unlike yours < 1275507599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i should've said "not my mother" because not unlike is well whatever < 1275507651 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typos and lack of quotes are a confusing combination. < 1275507710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i typoed? < 1275507724 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I'm too confused. < 1275507746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually catch my typos and correct them < 1275507765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can ask Deewiant how that's parsed if it's too hard < 1275507787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said what to me? < 1275507789 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither "Maybe I shouldn't but at least my mother not unlike yours" neither ". . . because not unlike is well whatever" seems like English syntax. < 1275507815 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oerjan quoted you. < 1275507819 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:56 < oerjan> I demand the soul of your first-born child, AnMaster < 1275507827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"neither .. neither .." doesn't look very english neither. < 1275507834 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h159.20.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275507836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe it is tho) < 1275507840 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, that latter "neither" is supposed to be a "nor". < 1275507847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1275507852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thought so, i mainly just wanted to add a third neitehr) < 1275507853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Latin works like that. < 1275507854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*neither < 1275507854 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, CakeProphet. < 1275507868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: see one might say ", but your mother" < 1275507875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went one step further < 1275507877 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, in Spanish, the words for "neither" and "nor" are both "ni". < 1275507886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what neither... nor... is, but both... and... is "et... et..." < 1275507889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i figured you people are smart and love decrypting confusing stuff. < 1275507902 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise, "either" and "or" are both "o". < 1275507912 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if "both" and "and" are both "y". < 1275507935 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish is economical! Every one-vowel word you can say means something. < 1275507936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get it? < 1275507944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does in lojban too < 1275507949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they < 1275507977 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, e, i, o and u mean to/at, and, and, or, and or, respectively. :P < 1275507986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Er, that latter "neither" is supposed to be a "nor". <-- isn't nor universal? Just like nand < 1275507995 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that "i" is spelled "y" instead. < 1275508002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so neither nand should work too < 1275508004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1275508013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you write a nor gate in nand hm... < 1275508018 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um, I was referring to how in that sentence, I accidentally said "neither" where I meant to say "nor". < 1275508019 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Huffman-coded human language. < 1275508023 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275508025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, I know < 1275508028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1275508030 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, "nor" is universal. < 1275508047 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: take an existing human language and Huffman-code it? < 1275508064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make it pronouncable. < 1275508076 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Well, that couldn't be too hard. < 1275508080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: did you? < 1275508088 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no. < 1275508093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :\ < 1275508111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it ((a'*b')')' < 1275508118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, using only nand and inverter < 1275508128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but your mother is fat" => "but at least my mother isn't fat unlike yours"; "but your mother" => "but at least not my mother unlike yours" < 1275508130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should give you nor < 1275508133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1275508134 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah. < 1275508151 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: got it. < 1275508173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also you need to mention inverters can be done with nand but i guess that's trivial < 1275508183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, so now lets use "neither .... not nand (with inverted inputs)" < 1275508202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275508208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes they can be done with nand, but I knew that since before < 1275508211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait what were you expressing < 1275508218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a'*b')')' = a'*b' < 1275508235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes but that is an AND gate < 1275508255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, use De Morgan to extract the ' from that and you get a NOR < 1275508272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I'm trying to rewrite "neither ... nor ..." into using a nand gate you see ;P < 1275508299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait so it would be... < 1275508326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither not ((not ...) nand (not ...)) < 1275508328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1275508332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adrian^L, AnMaster ais523 BeholdMyGlory < 1275508335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1275508337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1275508344 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did no mean to press enter. < 1275508350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/no/not/ < 1275508353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still wtf < 1275508360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you list nicks like that < 1275508360 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No all! < 1275508365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without meaning to press enter < 1275508369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bit wtf < 1275508385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange hobby < 1275508394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would fit right into xkcd "my hobby" I guess < 1275508398 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terve, mitä kuuluu? < 1275508431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitäs tässä, lueskelen turingin koneista < 1275508440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mucking about with the tab-completion. < 1275508447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1275508450 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anise been around today? < 1275508455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1275508462 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, more Finnish. < 1275508462 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...anise < 1275508468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue who that is < 1275508477 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: alise? < 1275508480 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....yes < 1275508482 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1275508490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275508491 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has impeccable memory < 1275508493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that a type of flavouring? < 1275508494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not today no < 1275508502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sin't that aniseed? < 1275508507 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star anise? < 1275508511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ansi? < 1275508544 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, elative plural... < 1275508568 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "mitäs tässä" an idiom? < 1275508605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s in the end means nothing really < 1275508681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's sort for "mitäpäs", "-päs/pas", or usually "-pä/-pa" are these meaningless thingies you can stick in the end of words sometimes < 1275508687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not meaningless < 1275508690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hard to translate < 1275508699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275508701 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean? < 1275508720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now to actually answer your question, yes it's an idiom :P < 1275508730 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good. :P < 1275508736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mitä tässä" doesn't mean anything afaik < 1275508760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe some people use it for the same purpose < 1275508767 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275508782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think it's used quite a lot < 1275508810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno i use english so much more < 1275508813 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1275508815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275508821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if that's true < 1275508872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i use english every day at work too so if i continue ircing then it will definitely happen < 1275508930 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll become a native speaker. :P < 1275508938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "mitä tässä" doesn't mean anything afaik or maybe some people use it for the same purpose <-- same purpose as a nop? < 1275508944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noop* < 1275508967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noop! < 1275508974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite nice, having a natural language with a NOOP. Then you can uh, align your sentences to efficient second boundaries! < 1275508975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1275508984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer nop < 1275508987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that is what the "um..." is for < 1275508991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuU"? < 1275509005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, then you have strange alignment restrictions < 1275509012 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the Fox News comment system appears to have been written by some platypi. < 1275509012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: actually useful for poetry < 1275509014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try rearranging your sentences < 1275509016 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275509020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, :D < 1275509026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275509063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "I want to/uuu do you", which is basically 90% of poetry. < 1275509079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? Not all poetry is love poetry < 1275509098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say that. < 1275509105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :90!=100 < 1275509108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not even as much as 90% is < 1275509119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the unpublished? < 1275509142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: clearly it should be "nboth ... nand ..." < 1275509143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you don't have any verifiable numbers over those anyway < 1275509166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? Show me the steps to rewrite it to that. < 1275509191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S OBVIOUS < 1275509195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also punny < 1275509204 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275509209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but yes I was thinking about things like the Iliad. While love is involved certainly, it doesn't go along the lines of "I want to/uuu do you". < 1275509234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS ATTEMPTED HUMOUR. < 1275509244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or much of Shakespear's works < 1275509244 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REALITY DOESN'T FACTOR INTO IT. < 1275509258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh, forgot to flag it as humour < 1275509280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster only understands his own humor < 1275509296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, I understand some other too, why else would I read iwc? < 1275509313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course I know what oklopol did is an exaggeration.) < 1275509315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read iwc i didn't think its point was to be funny < 1275509325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never exaggerate < 1275509337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and everyone uses Kelvin ;P < 1275509341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that 90% might have a large overlap with the 90% that is crap, so using classics as evidence does not cut it < 1275509341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even if someone showed a gun in my ass < 1275509346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shoved < 1275509425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the percentage of statistics that was made up on the spot again? < 1275509429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXAGGERATE DAMMIT, OR THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY LITTLE OKLOPOLS < 1275509448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 73% < 1275509484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm good point about the overlap < 1275509490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i get that, unless sex is some kind of exaggerated masturbation < 1275509501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Phantom_Hoover made that point too < 1275509517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I would recommend adding to the discussion that this warrants further studies and then publish it as is < 1275509535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan keeps mimicking him for some reason < 1275509545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm NOT the next oerjan?!? < 1275509554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no his point as about unpublished < 1275509568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hard to say. i have a theory that alise is the next zzo38. < 1275509581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, unpublished != the crap, though there might very well be a large overlap < 1275509581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275509618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was the same point < 1275509646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, they are different statements. Also the crap includes some stuff not about sex. < 1275509649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually i don't think we're that similar, you're better at topology. < 1275509657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like about bridges that didn't hold up < 1275509663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no considerable differences in personalities tho < 1275509671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: explanation: if that gun in your ass goes off, there will definitely not be any little oklopols < 1275509682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275509691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McGonagall#Tay_Bridge_Disaster < 1275509694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i suppose that was obvious < 1275509713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is about sex < 1275509719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could be wrong < 1275510235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that one is about death. those are of course the only alternatives < 1275510303 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1275510788 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275510819 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275510990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there is a third. Nature, especially "ode to the spring" or similar < 1275511018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah after that you only got modern statistical flukes which shouldn't even be considered proper poetry < 1275511019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1275511434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait, how do we put E. A. Poe into this? < 1275511459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it would be death < 1275511460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275511471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought. not that i actually know much poetry. < 1275511486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, still I maintain that nature can be a valid third category < 1275511503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was mainly making a freud joke there < 1275511532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly not even correct freud < 1275511544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamlet = death, Romeo & Juliet = death _and_ love, The Iliad = death mostly, a bit of love too < 1275511547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275511548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275511552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to cover all < 1275511553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1275511570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh, didn't notice that < 1275511593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls something about pastorals < 1275511616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, don't they go into the nature category? < 1275511638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps some love as well < 1275511667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, from wikipedia on pastoral poetry: "Pastoral literature began with the poetry of the Hellenistic Greek Theocritus, several of whose Idylls are set in the countryside [...]" < 1275511671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, clearly nature < 1275511696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Theocritus didn't like the gods btw < 1275511697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first poem example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastoral would seem to confirm the nature+love < 1275511762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so we could say that all poetry is made out of three parts, hm not a good word... ah got it! elements. Right so, ... made out of three elements, in different proportions < 1275511795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did I get a dejavu there... < 1275511853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element ? < 1275511901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah indeed! their mistake was mixing up matter poetry somehow < 1275511917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275511987 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1275512329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275513207 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1275513252 0 :hiato!~nine@41-132-88-136.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275513598 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275513639 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Apparently, there's a Finnish spot in Michigan. < 1275513647 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1275513731 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hancock, Michigan. < 1275513970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily "han-" is "male-" in Swedish, not "male" (would be "hane"), but as in "hangroda" (male frog), it isn't used about humans though. < 1275513985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what a dirty name of a place < 1275513999 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. :( < 1275514002 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, :) < 1275514049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275514100 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go up there and speak Finnish, if I knew Finnish and if they know Finnish. :P < 1275514118 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That holds for most values of "there" < 1275514170 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1275514186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, only most? < 1275514205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can't go up to all values < 1275514228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, examples of such values < 1275514252 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The surface of VY Canis Majoris < 1275514281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if uorygl were to know Finnish and they knew Finnish there, he couldn't go up there and speak Finnish < 1275514302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm? is it a neutron star or such? < 1275514311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, that would finish him < 1275514316 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it is a star. < 1275514322 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A really big one. < 1275514327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the largest star known iirc < 1275514344 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Wikipedia says it is. < 1275514348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more or less the opposite of a neutron star < 1275514363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a suitable protective vessel? < 1275514385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I don't know of any such < 1275514393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you probably need anti-gravity too < 1275514415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if it is _really_ big maybe the upper atmosphere is so thin you could survive there < 1275514444 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were inside a star, would it be possible for you to obtain usable energy? < 1275514465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the second law of thermodynamics might be a problem < 1275514474 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1275514480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cold place to send waste energy < 1275514482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1275514504 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the Earth stay cool? I guess we radiate energy into outer space, which means that outer space is in fact colder than Earth. < 1275514505 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a couple of reasonable assumptions here, such as no terribly unexpected technological breakthroughs during uorygl's lifespan < 1275514548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whispers something about technological singularity < 1275514648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: the temperature of outer space is essentially the temperature of the cosmic microwave background (3 K) iirc < 1275514657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*about 3 K < 1275514670 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I guess if you could put yourself inside some really good thermal insulation, you could probably pull hot plasma in, fuse it yourself, and spit it back out. < 1275514678 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get a bit of a thermal gradient that way. < 1275514766 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that solar panels emit light when hot and subjected to voltage. < 1275514778 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes client < 1275514781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275514805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275514845 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they produce voltage when cool and subjected to light. < 1275514855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my name is "purple! < 1275514911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: i wouldn't want to bet either way, apart from blackbody radiation of course < 1275514970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Most things emit light when hot. :) < 1275514980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most things when subjected to voltage get hot. < 1275514991 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, yes. < 1275515016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a gradient of entropy, can you use that for power? < 1275515033 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275515049 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a gradient of entropy means that somewhere, entropy is less than the maximum. :) < 1275515050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is how most power generation functions. < 1275515071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most"? < 1275515095 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders a purely mechanical analogy of a solar panel. < 1275515123 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. A wire is like a cable, and light is like lots of little balls. < 1275515141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275515155 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this panel thingy. When the little balls strike it, the energy from the strike goes into tugging the cable. < 1275515166 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a ratchet that prevents the cable from slipping backwards. < 1275515190 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, the ratchet generates heat when it's operated, and a ratchet, when hot enough, is no longer effective. < 1275515195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : not cold place to send waste energy <-- so build a huge stirling engine, extending from inside the star to a point sufficiently far away from the star < 1275515196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275515203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275515234 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems like a hot solar panel indeed ought to act light a flashlight. < 1275515250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, what? < 1275515264 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed ought to convert electricity to light, I should say. < 1275515295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, really? < 1275515297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1275515312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, sure the process in a solar panel is reversible like that? < 1275515316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure for motor/generator it is < 1275515327 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275515334 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't, we'd have a way to get around that nasty Second Law. < 1275515353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, but can you generate electricity by shining a strong light on a normal lightbulb? < 1275515375 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light bulbs convert electricity into heat, and that heat into light. < 1275515388 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The light will get converted into heat, sure, but that heat will not produce electricity. < 1275515394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, why not < 1275515400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: um but the second law doesn't say that you can get better than blackbody radiation that way, i think < 1275515400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should according to your logic? < 1275515408 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can generate heat, but you can't un-generate heat! < 1275515409 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what power-generation methods *don't* use an entropy gradient? < 1275515420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, why not, isn't it the same as the solar cell? < 1275515423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: UNLESS YOU'RE GOD. < 1275515447 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a mechanical analogy of a light bulb. < 1275515450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, also you can convert it into mechanical power using a stirling engine, then drive a generator with it < 1275515460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1275515467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with the lightbulb alone < 1275515481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, black body radiation sure < 1275515484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1275515517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my point was that I'm pretty sure any given device doesn't have to be reversible in itself < 1275515522 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mmkay, I guess it will generate electricity, but that electricity will be Brownian motion. < 1275515529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, eh? < 1275515547 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current will just sort of jitter back and forth randomly. < 1275515549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275515585 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I would bet that diodes also heat up during use, and that hot diodes also fail. < 1275515642 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion: thank goodness Earth's atmosphere is translucent. < 1275515685 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION briefly wonders whether he's doing something irrational or pseudoscientific, but realizes that he's actually making lots of predictions. < 1275515686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, what? < 1275515717 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Earth's atmosphere weren't translucent, light would neither enter or leave, and so photosynthesis would be impossible, and Earth would get really hot. < 1275515735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, and yes hot diods can fail. Isn't that how one type of PROM worked basically? < 1275515737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Willing power into being < 1275515764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has the caveat of not actually working. < 1275515768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1275515768 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         | < 1275515768 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        /< < 1275515782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still doesn't work. < 1275515790 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose that there are lots of rocks on top of a cliff, and you generate power by lowering them to the ground. < 1275515792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Heat would, however, enter. And it would end up leaving. < 1275515805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if nothing else, because of blackbody radiation) < 1275515806 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that have an entropy gradient? < 1275515809 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :uorgl < 1275515811 0 :uorgl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1275515811 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275515816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is an entropy gradient. < 1275515821 0 :uorgl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ < 1275515827 0 :uorgl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ \o/ < 1275515828 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |   | < 1275515828 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /<  /< < 1275515838 0 :uorgl!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :uorygl < 1275515859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misaligned as usual < 1275515899 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \o/ \m/ < 1275515909 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes myndzi. < 1275515921 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \o/ < 1275515921 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     | < 1275515921 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    /< < 1275515931 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \o/ \m/ < 1275515931 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     |   `\o/´   |       | < 1275515932 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     >\    |    /<      /| < 1275515932 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       (_|¯'\ < 1275515932 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            |_) < 1275515935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a function with 3 nested MAPCARs < 1275515937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1275515938 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. < 1275515941 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel... unclean. < 1275515945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/m/ < 1275515950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ < 1275515952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, at least it lined up, since you have the same nick length < 1275515964 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/o/o/ < 1275515964 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         |   | < 1275515964 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        /<   |\ < 1275515970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, does not line up < 1275515983 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lines up here in my monospace font. < 1275515993 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, your client omits leading spaces, doesn't it. < 1275516001 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does this message look like it starts with a bunch of spaces? < 1275516010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275516035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, there are spaces at the start of it < 1275516044 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many? < 1275516052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, it is under your t < 1275516052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The correct amount < 1275516054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in omits < 1275516058 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1275516060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the D is under the t that is < 1275516068 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I wonder why myndzi's stuff doesn't appear to line up. < 1275516070 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: AnMaster's client right-aligns nicks < 1275516077 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1275516083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that all message content starts from the same column < 1275516092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, the thing is, I have a divider, nicks right align against it, then the text left aligns on the other side < 1275516102 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\ < 1275516103 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   | < 1275516103 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/`\ /|  /<  /`\  |\ /<   >\  |\ /< < 1275516120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :______________o______________ < 1275516121 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                | < 1275516121 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                >\ < 1275516125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for me, incidentally. < 1275516135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm using a non-monospaced font. < 1275516147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, this is fixed (xchat has a floating one, was a bit tricky to do that with ERC), so "Phantom_Hoover" is max length, otherwise the nick will overflow the divider and thus the text would move out from the divider as well < 1275516152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would piss me off a lot < 1275516163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, SINNER! < 1275516192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not going to kill me, so it'll just make me stringer. < 1275516202 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o\ /o/ _o_ -o- "o" < 1275516202 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |   |   |   |   |   | < 1275516202 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<  /|   >\ /<  /|   >\ < 1275516202 0 :Foobarbazzotqux!foothebar@cs78149022.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1275516203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i/o/ < 1275516204 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            | < 1275516204 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           /'\ < 1275516208 0 :Foobarbazzotqux!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1275516209 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          | < 1275516209 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          >\ < 1275516217 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@79.103.6.164.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275516228 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Foobarbazzot < 1275516232 0 :Foobarbazzot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1275516232 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       | < 1275516232 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      /| < 1275516238 0 :Foobarbazzotqux!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1275516238 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          | < 1275516239 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         /`\ < 1275516243 0 :Foobarbazzot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1275516292 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-205-116.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275516302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oeranjer! < 1275516321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a cross between oerjan and Oranjer. < 1275516322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs Foobarbazzotqux for the horrible long nick  < 1275516325 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1275516334 0 :Foobarbazzotqux!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1275516344 0 :Foobarbazzotqux!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Foobarbazzotquxq < 1275516351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Foobarbazzotquxq btw? < 1275516366 0 :Foobarbazzotquxq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems to be the freenode max length < 1275516375 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of our Finnish members. < 1275516391 0 :Foobarbazzotquxq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, I tried to set to something longer but this is all it gave. < 1275516440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; main = putStrLn . intersperse '/' $ ['a'..'z'] < 1275516448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so that's why I couldn't call myself Phantom_Hoovershire < 1275516451 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/b/c/d/e/f/g/h/i/j/k/l/m/n/o/p/q/r/s/t/u/v/w/x/y/z < 1275516451 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                            | < 1275516451 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                           /´\ < 1275516461 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why a ? < 1275516478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; main = putStrLn . intersperse '/' $ ['A'..'Z'] < 1275516480 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/Q/R/S/T/U/V/W/X/Y/Z < 1275516486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf98 a,a.@ < 1275516487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1275516488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275516491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a,a.@ < 1275516495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a.a,@ < 1275516496 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1275516501 0 :Foobarbazzotquxq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; main = putStrLn . intercalate "/\" $ ['a'..'z'] < 1275516506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that was the command < 1275516522 0 :Foobarbazzotquxq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; main = putStrLn . intercalate "/\\" $ ['a'..'z'] < 1275516522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "/o/",,,a.@ < 1275516522 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :               | < 1275516523 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              /< < 1275516523 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/10 < 1275516523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foobarbazzotquxq: you just hit one of my stalkwords < 1275516523 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1275516523 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >\ < 1275516528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "/o/",,,a,@ < 1275516528 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :               | < 1275516528 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              /| < 1275516529 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ < 1275516532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1275516537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is going on there < 1275516543 0 :Foobarbazzotquxq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right, "intercal" :-) < 1275516545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it is trying to do mine < 1275516545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are you trying to trigger myndzi deliberately < 1275516547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foobarbazzotquxq: yep < 1275516568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a" /o/">:#,_@ < 1275516568 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  | < 1275516568 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  |\ < 1275516569 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ < 1275516569 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1275516569 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/'\ < 1275516573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1275516575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a" /m/">:#,_@ < 1275516576 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/m/ < 1275516580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a" \m/">:#,_@ < 1275516580 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/m\ < 1275516584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a" \m\">:#,_@ < 1275516584 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m\ < 1275516586 0 :Foobarbazzotquxq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; main = putStrLn . intercalate "/\\" . map (:[]) $ ['a'..'z'] < 1275516588 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/\b/\c/\d/\e/\f/\g/\h/\i/\j/\k/\l/\m/\n/\o/\p/\q/\r/\s/\t/\u/\v/\w/\x/\y/\z < 1275516588 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                          | < 1275516589 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                          |\ < 1275516591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a" /m\">:#,_@ < 1275516592 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ < 1275516598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1275516606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why does it remove spaces at the start? < 1275516610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it is broken! < 1275516613 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a"/m\ ">:#,_@ < 1275516613 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ < 1275516625 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your spaces were at the end < 1275516628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wait, backwards, but still broken < 1275516631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it removed spaces there too < 1275516638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and at end < 1275516643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strips trailing/leading spaces < 1275516644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1275516703 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStr " what " < 1275516704 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1275516711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1275516728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, see < 1275516730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is broken < 1275516732 0 :Foobarbazzotquxq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] < 1275516733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, !!!!!!!! < 1275516751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, who was Foobarbazzotquxq? < 1275516780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mysterious stranger < 1275516799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, unlikely < 1275516803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.fi < 1275516806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but chatzilla at quit < 1275516818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not someone I recognise < 1275516823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't match Deewiant or oklopol or fizzie < 1275516823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were acting like a regular, though < 1275516823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I accuse you. < 1275516826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1275516832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahh. < 1275516835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, -oklopol- VERSION mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey < 1275516839 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat; why? < 1275516844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could have used a non-standard irc client < 1275516847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, mistab of fizzie < 1275516850 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1275516855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, but hi anyway < 1275516862 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1275516862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was pretty obvious but I guess not < 1275516863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, was a while ago I last saw you speak < 1275516864 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1275516871 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, been doing other stuff < 1275516881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----### < 1275516885 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275516902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE NOTED SOME RECENT WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS < 1275516912 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caps lock < 1275516915 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION withdraws < 1275516954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lacks cop < 1275516970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, withdrawal from the swatter? < 1275516972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275516973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1275516977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275517012 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that I speak as we speak is a pretty solid symptom < 1275517030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, wait, was that a meme variant? < 1275517033 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1275517035 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually not < 1275517038 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does look like one < 1275517049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, the "put some X in your X so you can X while you X" or however it goes < 1275517052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it walks like a meme... < 1275517058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, AUGH < 1275517064 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is #esoteric duck-typed? < 1275517107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i'm letting a duck do all my typing. doesn't everyone? < 1275517120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, maybe that's why my typing is so slow < 1275517135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275517145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if it walks like a meme it is probably an MMU, right? < 1275517147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty accurate though < 1275517161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ffs, trained duck obviously < 1275517185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an immigrant from peking < 1275517197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what= < 1275517201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1275517202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, you'd expect such to be fast as well < 1275517227 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A miracle it hasn't been eaten yet, though < 1275517257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how could it be fast when it has to aim a twig hold in it's mouth to type < 1275517262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1275517267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just absurd < 1275517276 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize a twig was involved < 1275517280 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it also trained? < 1275517330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the twig? Varies, untrained twigs are more common in the southern parts of Europe, elsewhere it is mostly trained twigs only < 1275517342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm < 1275517408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well that's why it emigrated, obviously < 1275517425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I suppose the twig is trained then? < 1275517433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what twig < 1275517434 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I guess so < 1275517437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, see above < 1275517447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it wasn't from southern Europe < 1275517467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway the twig is needed because otherwise it can't hit a single key at a time < 1275517467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously AnMaster, you shouldn't go around making such stupid ideas out of thin air < 1275517491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Can't it just peck? < 1275517496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this is common knowledge, nice try at joke there, but it isn't 1 April < 1275517519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's very much a peck and hunt typer < 1275517535 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I'd imagine from a duck < 1275517552 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Btw, it's "hunt and peck") < 1275517555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, depends on the species, how wide the end is < 1275517570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you call the "näbb" in English btw? < 1275517572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a bird < 1275517573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have a typist duck you obviously want a thin-billed one < 1275517583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah bill < 1275517584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275517594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or b eak < 1275517595 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beak* < 1275517603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes but this was only found out relatively recently, thus the twig is still common practise < 1275517611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bill is for the flat kind of ones, I think < 1275517616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no it pecks the keys so hard it has to hunt for them afterwards < 1275517627 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems extremely suboptimal < 1275517635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1275517636 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go so far as to call that pessimal < 1275517646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, see, that is the downside of using thin-beaked ones < 1275517659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you won't get that with a twig, it will slide before that point < 1275517659 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1275517665 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All too complicated < 1275517666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or break < 1275517672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just type myself for the time being < 1275517718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what? Rube Goldberg said it was too simple when asked. < 1275517722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you are jesting! < 1275517723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the upside is that the bill is small < 1275517744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh yeah it doesn't cost a lot < 1275517748 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rube Goldberg's standards are not mine < 1275517768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the goldberg standard < 1275517852 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.diycalculator.com/sp-hrrgcomp.shtml < 1275517858 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Rube Goldberg computer. < 1275517868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've already posted it but whatever) < 1275517870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, old < 1275517884 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan made me. < 1275517893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275517901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1275517927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275517927 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: and is one of the other qubits should stay the same?) < 1275517930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O fungot, o fungot, where hast thou gone? < 1275517931 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the job of a portable bignum library? i think you should understand how to determine for certain if you are < 1275517944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1275517944 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1275517951 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, much better. < 1275517952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how much does the job of a portable bignum library pay? < 1275517953 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the unfinished pictures on fnord or in the tacit assumption that from this line sprang the bold companion and lieutenant of the black abyss sharply fnord tunnels whose mouths we carefully drew, according to the carvings from which we had instinctively clung throughout our desperate flight, we fnord a branch of the de grey and entered the hotel; while the passengers the same men whom i had thought. < 1275517954 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the whisperer in darkness. once, for example. he fnord me on his professional honor that joe slater was unmistakably dying. perhaps it was what poor lakes dissection had indicated fnord and to this they bent all the force of its fnord and fnord palace of the sun, but grey and dismal. < 1275517967 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1275517967 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft* nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1275517976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell is "fnord" Lovecraftian? < 1275517996 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fnord" is the replacement used when there's only one instance of the actual word in the corpus < 1275518008 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, "fnord" becomes very Lovecraftian. < 1275518010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For greater amusement. < 1275518021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon < 1275518022 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive) < 1275518024 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275518025 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: " in solaris, sun will address that problem, that your intentions have been organized very differently than most people think--perhaps around a single token. like what the ethernet type field isn't recognizable. oh, and < 1275518039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoc est corpus cthulhu < 1275518051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What thinketh ye? < 1275518051 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: from csh type ' exit', is a simple protocol which provides an interface to c. if is not the maximum size declared by any module that is near telegraph ave, where you put your keys. < 1275518074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, Telegraph Ave. < 1275518080 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you put your keys. < 1275518100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keys to success < 1275518123 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1275518124 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon* lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1275518131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches < 1275518131 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg) < 1275518133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275518135 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: " says i, ' i can't afford it, mr. owen, i am satisfied, with the golden staff in one hand and the school report in the other. < 1275518139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275518141 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the battle of waterloo, barere proposed that the members of the house to take away the big coat from the little boy and to put perpetual desolation as a barrier between him and his hotel but hell and the hackman." < 1275518157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1275518157 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1275518167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what about the sword? < 1275518167 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see? i like marle better than " princess,' the chosen time has come! he's strong and he's gonna thrash those monsters! yea! is it? < 1275518168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275518168 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and you call yourself a frog, and ayla... i will not betray my friends! are you leaving! < 1275518171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, no? < 1275518172 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cyrus! are you leaving!!! the monster who kidnapped the princess to the castle! and letting these...hoodlums in here? traitors like you deserve from heckran! ha!! gotcha! < 1275518181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, seriously the sword... < 1275518181 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: from where does the hero alone have the power. " m, madam...! i am, are you?! c'mon!!! < 1275518185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ... < 1275518185 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins! the structural damage is severe. the tale? < 1275518188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm not leaving. < 1275518189 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but, we are far outnumbered!? i sense!" < 1275518195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, sigh < 1275518195 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but, we are far outnumbered! the king does not wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we no can call you " knight cyrus fell while protecting our kingdom from magus. i'd stay away! < 1275518201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: We aren't that outnumbered. < 1275518202 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that swor < 1275518205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1275518209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1275518220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1275518220 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1275518226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1275518226 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1275518230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hello there < 1275518233 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if this passage, which probably is an entrance:/ water at great depths:/ pressure, though spread over a wider surface than that acted on by like causes inducing similar modifications. with respect to/ tower-like castings near nice had been ejected on an inclined surface, and not exclusively from being transported to a distance :) about half a crown apiece. it seems however doubtful, judging from those two wonderful an < 1275518251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/two/ an? < 1275518256 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You sure? < 1275518258 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ever yours, c. darwin. 17 spring gardens, london, fnord, morphology, adaptive characters, 426. land-shells, distribution :), 394. man, moreover, made a great blunder in taking families instead :) smaller groups will become utterly extinct. in failing orders, with/ exception :) a few miles from edinburgh, and saw and conversed with many :) its shorter axis: there are, according to their periods :) arrival and maturity < 1275518263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smiles were a bug iirc < 1275518268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the model generator < 1275518310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora < 1275518311 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical) < 1275518313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"17 spring gardens, london, fnord" <-- best address ever < 1275518313 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275518314 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: players may vote on an ordinary < 1275518326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, now this style is boring, don't you agree < 1275518326 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ( a) auctioneer: the auction e is the < 1275518331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly < 1275518341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's a nomic in case you don't know < 1275518345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora is one of those things I might conceivably be interested in, but I can't be bothered. Eh, fungot? < 1275518346 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: b) if an oligarch at the time of casting unity < 1275518374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic < 1275518374 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic (INTERCAL manual) < 1275518378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi there < 1275518378 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: e099 programmer is insufficiently polite < 1275518391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, PLEASE say something then < 1275518392 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the `try again'. ( the last character output before it will issue this warning is meant to go, and from-gerund `come from' itself ( if a `come from'. < 1275518411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, heh < 1275518411 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: intercal-72 c-intercal clc-intercal j-intercal yes all versions all versions < 1275518422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hey, was that all versions ^ < 1275518430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes all versions all versions < 1275518439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't trust fungot < 1275518439 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the multithreading and backtracking extensions to intercal programs; it cannot be `reinstated' or `next from's. the solution is to produce 32-bit results; except in some ways than some other languages. < 1275518442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it means, it's available in all versions of c-intercal and clc-intercal, also in intercal-72 < 1275518444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously obviously < 1275518446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fungot attempting to repeat a table < 1275518446 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this declaration and definition::. < 1275518458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1275518474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1275518474 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic* irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1275518488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1275518488 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1275518496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Like youtube? < 1275518496 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: dont fuck this movie < 1275518503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, good idea < 1275518503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to any airbus plane. 3 passengers sadly died the most awesome thing ever. < 1275518511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pikhq beat me to selecting a style hm < 1275518524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, also I don't agree that is awesome < 1275518524 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whats the difference between watching in hd < 1275518524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly, fungot appears to be more grammatical off of Youtube comments. < 1275518525 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: music on myspace...paulo brazil search and select the first computer controlled < 1275518536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ? < 1275518540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1275518540 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1275518550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hm? < 1275518550 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i would like to take an extremely firm request to the governments. < 1275518561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's because youtube comments are stupid enough on average anyway that fungot grammar wouldn't be any worse < 1275518562 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mr president, the iranian sentences, which have not been able to prepare that ground carefully. on south-eastern europe, i must say that today's debate has shown, with what moral authority, can the governments of the united states < 1275518564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, oh, carry on, what is this request? < 1275518565 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, i know it is still important to recall the context in which these organic compounds are released. and the way we pay taxes!' just like myself, at the actions of ukraine in the field of biotechnology. to allow forests to grow. < 1275518592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I fail to see how tax and organic compounds are related but carry on... < 1275518593 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, we europeans most certainly have. once again, by the vice-president in the chair. < 1275518601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275518647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tax organic compounds. Q.E.D. < 1275518649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the iranian sentences, which have not been able to prepare that ground carefully." <-- wtf, some sort of alchemy? < 1275518678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1275518678 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl* ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1275518688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1275518688 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1275518692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, oh? < 1275518692 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sir godfrey. < 1275518699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I don't think I seen this before < 1275518700 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: powres the poyson in his eares. yet i perswade my selfe, richard shall liue to make the wench amends, is to goe to the feast, and to the marriage of true minds admit impediments, love is not love which alters when it alteration finds, or bends with the remover to remove. o no, no < 1275518721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't read that, well only random words < 1275518729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just comes out as jumble to me < 1275518735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can read it just fine < 1275518737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a native English speaker could manage it < 1275518743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *coherent*, but certainly can read it. < 1275518743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about you < 1275518755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes but you are not typical < 1275518764 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1275518769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use that sort of language in all seriousness! < 1275518774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to read < 1275518776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Most of it is just archaic spellings. < 1275518787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liue? < 1275518788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spelling's outdated, that's about it < 1275518791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't a clue what "liue" is, though. < 1275518804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"live" probably < 1275518804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :live ? < 1275518812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there wasn't a large distinction between "u" and "v" back then < 1275518824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that they did have a huge distinction between "u" and "v" back then. < 1275518828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1275518828 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss* wp youtube < 1275518832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ff7 < 1275518832 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII) < 1275518836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one < 1275518837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1275518840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1275518840 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1275518860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I think I reached the limit, someone else have to talk to it next < 1275518865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something fishy about that < 1275518874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so highlight fungot < 1275518875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAIL FUNGOT TOGNUF < 1275518884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, case sensitive < 1275518888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGOT THE GREAT < 1275518893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAIL fungot TOGNUF < 1275518893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case sensitive! < 1275518893 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: who can't separate between like i i think you can do to this computer that i can't < 1275518896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275518902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what? < 1275518902 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right right um i i borrowed a may twenty sixth copy of business week has been our mayor of detroit got into a fight with w- laughter one of the < 1275518924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange style < 1275518935 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Awesome < 1275518936 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so do you know he < 1275518940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yep < 1275518940 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah yeah it doesn't feel good but like when i first started going to the theater < 1275518969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, eh? < 1275518969 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you're not happy)) < 1275518974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, oh I am < 1275518974 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: un- unless he starts to en- to enjoy watching the tae bo that i had < 1275518985 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tae bo? < 1275518985 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no she no they're not having ah they're not you got to look at why they try to get together there you know < 1275519001 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awfully schizophrenic :-P < 1275519083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1275519106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, I don't know < 1275519106 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: um i'm pretty sure < 1275519112 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm sure < 1275519112 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: which makes me even more of our liberties so i i < 1275519146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hm < 1275519146 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you might as well be in the court i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine < 1275519159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1275519159 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher* ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1275519162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^style alice < 1275519165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice < 1275519165 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll) < 1275519169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, and then? < 1275519170 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ' it's a great huge game of chess that's being fnord over the fnord of the fnord here?" he said, taking up quite a bunch of needles. < 1275519192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, too much to hope for the court scene there ;P < 1275519198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have been just too awesome < 1275519206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, chess, I see < 1275519206 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: " why, suppose oo're walking, fnord" the vice-warden was saying with enthusiasm. " you see, a minute goes by so fearfully quick. you might have known, if you don't hold your tongues, i'll pick you!' < 1275519214 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1275519215 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that i had been talking to) was balancing itself on a twig just over her head, ' you may call it " eerie," and sylvie went on again. < 1275519627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275519633 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275519904 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275519977 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, Windows will not boot into safe mode < 1275520131 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@79.103.6.164.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275520214 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275520232 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275520237 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275520498 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275521004 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275521627 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275521949 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By George, I've got it! < 1275521958 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275522131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275522174 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275522175 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275522658 0 :jabb_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: off work