< 1275091202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvim; like gvim but it wasn't always graphical < 1275091215 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Dirty Harry will bust down your door and point his magnum at your puny face! < 1275091290 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BTW, I know nobody cares, esp. AnMaster, but I did eek out a Pascal Befunge-93 interpreter recently) < 1275091322 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it do PSOX? < 1275091338 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B93? no ;-) < 1275091362 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll humbly admit I don't even know what that means < 1275091371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be humble < 1275091372 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fingerprint??) < 1275091390 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo's shitty < 1275091407 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or jitty ... ha ha ha, oh wait ........ < 1275091409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1275091415 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't actually figure out what the next bit would be
< 1275091422 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, I don't get it < 1275091432 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Seth Gold < 1275091446 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1275091462 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes he were funny, but alas ...
< 1275091499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qaa.ath.cx/addition.png [[Addition]] < 1275091553 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a particular reason you needed to take a screenshot? < 1275091557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not only did that not help me but now I forgot how to perform addition altogether." --reddit < 1275091559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I didn't take it. < 1275091590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to take a jit and go to sleep < 1275091592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1275091601 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link to thread? < 1275091603 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worse than Wikipedia's link to "motherf*cker" from the AC Transit bus fight meme < 1275091606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/c8vyo/for_the_longest_time_i_couldnt_wrap_my_head/ < 1275091613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Motherfucker. < 1275091615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mother-FUCKER. < 1275091617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOTHER-fucker. < 1275091618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOTHERFUCKER. < 1275091619 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gotta love dem bastards, citation required!) < 1275091623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoThErFuCkEr. < 1275091629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No asterisk in sight... < 1275091655 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m*th*rfucker < 1275091670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m****rfucker < 1275091674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Br**nfuck < 1275091684 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Beard_Man < 1275091701 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the video, Bruso is seen wearing a light blue T-shirt that reads "I AM a Motherfucker" on the back." < 1275091717 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motherfucker < 1275091731 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This article needs additional citations for verification." < 1275091745 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Motherfucker (euphemized as mf) is a vulgarism which, in its most literal use, refers to one who participates in sexual intercourse with someone's mother." < 1275091753 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Wikipedia, educating the children, good for them < 1275091756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUITE SO GOOD CHAP < 1275091775 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and linked from the AC Transit bus fight, how elucidating! < 1275091802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: why did you link that < 1275091816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ asked < 1275091823 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term gained traction during World War II, originally amongst African American GIs, " ... uh, how encyclopedic of them (NOT!) < 1275091835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1275091841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read the comments < 1275091858 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1275091862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1275091864 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I trolled a subreddit < 1275091867 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1275091868 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need you < 1275091876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: that's nice. < 1275091877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: okay < 1275091878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: in what sense < 1275091879 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does bcrypt only have a cost param for gensalt < 1275091883 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for hashpw < 1275091883 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/iamaf/comments/c8w9v/iamna_person_trolling_riamaf_with_this_post/ < 1275091888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: dunno, cuz that's how it works < 1275091892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use gensalt it will make you happy < 1275091894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy like a walrus < 1275091930 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the eggman < 1275092047 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand alise :< < 1275092065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: just think about the gzzzzzzop < 1275092072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will emlitten < 1275092077 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what? < 1275092079 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will what? < 1275092084 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG head asplode < 1275092089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ipfk < 1275092149 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shows up in alise's room with an 'I <3 RP' tshirt on. and nothing else.
< 1275092156 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275092156 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, alise, did you hear that Win 3.0 turned 20? < 1275092169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: what does RP expand to here exactly :| < 1275092173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: no, but i figure that is how time works < 1275092180 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what ever we want to, baby. < 1275092185 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and eComStation 2.0 was finally released < 1275092207 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence? I think not! ;-) < 1275092215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i'm scared < 1275092225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i think i'll choose it to stand for received pronunciation < 1275092659 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to make an API for multi-platform 3d environment bots
< 1275092669 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lowest common denominator sort of thing < 1275092688 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's what u get 4 trollering me < 1275092701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: how did i torlleringate you < 1275092727 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask urzelf < 1275092741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275092765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on rms: "His emacs had a image background gregori rasputin. After any attempt to look at his screen he'd shut the lid and hiss. Call me crazy but his beard would move on its own sometimes too." < 1275092821 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: tired < 1275092862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You, my friend, are unique and special. Like a working instance of the HURD kernel." < 1275092939 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has something to say on this topic, but my computer's being a prick
< 1275092981 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/4361/99561.aspx#99561 < 1275093056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that topic /again/ < 1275093285 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you asked for it by mentioning RMS < 1275093760 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: thue? < 1275093776 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's thue? < 1275093991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue is a language. < 1275093998 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1275094001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Thue < 1275094008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the most surprising instances of Turing-completeness. < 1275094261 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interresting < 1275094323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreteresting < 1275094360 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i didnt know of that language, no :P < 1275094438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:05:17 Why in the name of goat did we make the wiki public domain? < 1275094443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue is opinionated -- I agree with him < 1275094448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:07:50 No GPLed code. On a *software* wiki. < 1275094450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why we use links. < 1275094458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never given us problems; deal. < 1275094523 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives alise a problem
< 1275094541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reject your problem and substitute my own, much more easily-rectified problem. < 1275094684 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION steals the problems and nukes it in the micorwave oven
< 1275094744 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nukes his spelling in the microwave oven too
< 1275094878 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i figured it out < 1275094930 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcrypt's hasher DOES have a parameter for the amount of iterations. it's passed as part of the salt string. < 1275095040 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275095041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275095047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it affects the salt generation too though < 1275095060 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1275095096 0 :ec!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliottcable < 1275095100 0 :elliottcable!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :battlecollie < 1275095104 0 :battlecollie!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :[e] < 1275095126 0 :[e]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mj < 1275095146 0 :mj!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ec < 1275095172 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, putting iteration count in salt, enabling variable verification complexity. < 1275095189 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I want to wear a helmet for the rest of my life < 1275095195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look, he's still here. < 1275097765 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡Ay! It looks like there are no good web sites out there for learning Finnish. < 1275098265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Spaniard. < 1275098324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:26:08 Phantom_Hoover: hah < 1275098325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:26:28 Phantom_Hoover: distributed applications, web applications, client/server stuff < 1275098325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:26:42 Phantom_Hoover: positioned to replace Ruby/JavaScript or Python/JavaScript < 1275098325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30:04 So it's not esoteric? < 1275098328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pre-fuckin'-cisely. < 1275098340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:33:59 people’ve called it esoteric < 1275098341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are stupid. < 1275098348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love slow logreading. < 1275098540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275098543 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.86.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275098802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1275098994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Standard. < 1275099041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, Ripple (http://ripple.sourceforge.net/) is awesome (https://ripplepay.com/ but this is stalled iirc) < 1275100132 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decentralization makes me horny, but that doesn't mean everything can be decentralized < 1275100336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decentralises Sgeo
< 1275100532 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hawt < 1275100617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering Ripple is an actually-tried-in-practice, feasible solution that would solve an awful lot of economic problems... < 1275100623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not decentralisation for decentralisation's sake. < 1275101192 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried on what scale? < 1275101268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ripplepay.com < 1275101272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very small scale, but still. < 1275101279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't something with a huge inherent flaw that makes it impossible. < 1275101608 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That we know of < 1275101622 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know how well it will scale < 1275101701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fearmongering is pointless and for weak minds; you should know better than that. Find problems in the system instead of instinctively reacting like that to ideas you haven't been exposed to. < 1275101708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the status quo really will control our thoughts... < 1275101732 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying it needs to be tested on a larger scale. < 1275101758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely; the economic status of the world means that no real change is possible. < 1275102265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not impossible. Just sure to be incredibly traumatic when it happens. < 1275102289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(somewhere along the lines of "oh fuck everything broke") < 1275102299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope to not see that. < 1275102304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1275102305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This broken system beats its chaotic destruction. < 1275102312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can has gradual anarchy? < 1275102324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not see the approximate equivalent of the fall of Rome. < 1275102382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[violin] < 1275102673 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose somehow, by some strange fortune, there are two people who have no links between them < 1275102836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong. < 1275102847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't happen. The world doesn't work like that. < 1275102877 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of these people lives in Alpha Centauri. < 1275102899 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275103042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's me) < 1275103216 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275103265 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275103371 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1275103383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1275103518 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1275103588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1275103699 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‍ < 1275103743 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the colon before the message is mix-up? However, it is still gray, rather than blue as the message text is supposed to be blue < 1275103840 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something to do with out PuTTY works < 1275103848 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not just typing spaces? < 1275103848 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/out/how/ < 1275103869 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, but Gregor is different < 1275103932 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here isn't different? < 1275103991 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alise, it's happened before. < 1275104027 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you count dead people in the links, I guess < 1275104088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a Unicode zero-width space :P < 1275104146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: It hasn't "happened before". Under a Ripple system, the probability that two people are connected in a sufficiently large economy is... say... 1. < 1275104165 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275104291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275104693 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about before, say, Columbus? < 1275104807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1275104819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: they didn't have technoeconomies. < 1275104842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Columbus was lame. < 1275104869 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confused and stubborn, yes. Lame? < 1275105182 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275105390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HEY GUYZ, AMERICA! Ignore the Leif Ericson behind the curtain." < 1275105716 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275105949 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I did't know about him < 1275106061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Really? < 1275106066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get yourself some edumacation, sir. < 1275106344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night, good sirs, good madams, not that we have any -- good night. < 1275106355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275107311 0 :Rugxulo!~rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275108023 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, CCBI updated yesterday < 1275108035 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone interested in cellular automata? < 1275108045 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1275108271 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Cool what about them? < 1275108392 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a few things, in general. < 1275109688 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275111728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275111842 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0rjan! < 1275111983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that about people shouting my nick lately < 1275112029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or approximations to it) < 1275112030 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just bored ;-) < 1275112040 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was my "joke", heh < 1275112103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so, Ru9xu1ø < 1275112133 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1275112157 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, even latest CCBI seems slow on my lame benchmark < 1275112163 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought he fixed that < 1275112167 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, not important (obviously) < 1275112292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lame are usually slow < 1275112292 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 mins. 9 secs. < 1275112296 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsk tsk < 1275112308 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame D :-) < 1275112325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI is written in D? < 1275112332 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or this P4 (better scapegoat) < 1275112333 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275112350 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes just LIED to me < 1275112370 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it was referring to XKCD < 1275112374 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also lying < 1275112378 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/180/ < 1275112379 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes??? < 1275112396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: DON'T GO THERE IT'S A TRAP < 1275112417 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*click* *click* *BOOM!* < 1275112587 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dying in Canada does not kill you IRL < 1275112602 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for someone to comment
< 1275112622 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION expects someone to say, "living in Canada is as good as death"
< 1275112628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION refuses to comment
< 1275112651 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Canada, I of course mean IRCNomic < 1275112678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspected that
< 1275112755 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275112784 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCNomic??? < 1275112803 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, Canada itself has died. < 1275113126 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275113137 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1275114137 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically, conversion in this channel has died < 1275114171 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iron < 1275114182 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man < 1275114635 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game in demo mode it just keep moving the same card back and forth over and over again all the time < 1275118053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1275118600 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275119980 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275119999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1275120000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1275120099 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@c-71-237-176-82.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275120614 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1275120861 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275121260 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-193.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275123911 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275124491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275124781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (BTW, I know nobody cares, esp. AnMaster, but I did eek out a Pascal Befunge-93 interpreter recently) <-- nice! < 1275124791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turbopascal? < 1275124846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I fail to see how " Does it do PSOX?" makes sense. Isn't it a separate program from the interpreter normally? < 1275124872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in theory can be used by any language < 1275124883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well any with byte stdio < 1275124887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1275124908 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said I wanted it to make sense, as opposed to making a joke? But in theory, languages can include features that make working with PSOX easier < 1275124935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1275124935 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275124946 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's no reason the interpreter couldn't include its own PSOX implementation for some reason < 1275124959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX? < 1275124960 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that would be a bit pointless and annoying < 1275124966 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should be sleeping
< 1275124989 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/PSOX and http://trac2.assembla.com/psox/browser/trunk < 1275125000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a program that you connect stdin/stdout of a bf program to. Then you can use some sort of escape seqs to do file IO with it and such < 1275125008 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently, only domains 0-2 work, but custom domains are function < 1275125008 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" LIES < 1275125038 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, doesn't have to be bf. Just has to have byte stdio, like you just said < 1275125043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why on earth is your wiki name "Sgep"? < 1275125053 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I lost the password for Sgeo < 1275125068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you have an email address set? < 1275125070 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also on Freenode as Sgep for a time, for the same reason < 1275125074 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't think so < 1275125085 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1275125085 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I did, I'd have emailed myself a reset thingy < 1275125092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, quite a few languages can't easily do that. < 1275125095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Graue remains unseen. < 1275125100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't TAXI for example quite limited? < 1275125112 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, iirc, Taxi can actually do it, with a bit of pain < 1275125117 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, actually, hold on < 1275125126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I seem to remember there was some issue with zero byte in it < 1275125130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which iirc was used for PSOX < 1275125137 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://trac2.assembla.com/psox/browser/trunk/spec/psox-utils.txt < 1275125162 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x04 0x13 loopback, which would allow a TAXI program to add a newline to what it's receiving, since it needs to receive in lines < 1275125165 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1275125174 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the reason I added that function, actually < 1275125182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1275125210 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any hypothetical PSOX2 would use just simple stuff or less < 1275125218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525347 < 1275125223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, you could use protocol modules < 1275125224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random awesome thing < 1275125233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it requires Flash. Sorry. < 1275125238 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to grasp
< 1275125244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, that is, different ways to encode for different languages < 1275125264 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THe language itself should specify the encoding somehow, I think < 1275125278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can fit different frontends to PSOX basically < 1275125307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, so all languages should have to mention PSOX in their specs? < 1275125308 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the language requesting to specify customizable frontend, I think < 1275125321 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, nono, the program written in the language < 1275125325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1275125326 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being a bit lazy in my typing < 1275125803 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY am I still awake? < 1275125836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, because you aren't asleep? < 1275127275 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275127346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you even pronounce "Sgeo"? < 1275127828 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/sgeo.wav < 1275127838 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be sleeping 5 hours ago < 1275127851 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _had_ the computer closed too! < 1275127864 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, I had to check Agora to see if I had any responses < 1275127875 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to pretending to be asleep. Night all < 1275127876 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1275128058 0 :ec!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliottcable < 1275128657 0 :elliottcable!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ec < 1275129011 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1275131052 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275131797 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275132362 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1275133223 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1275135376 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275137183 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-225-237.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1275137324 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello sweeties < 1275137369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAH! < 1275137386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie oerjan lament! < 1275137465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Who's thue?" <<< thue was a famous mathematician who did among other things all kinds of fun computability stuff, thue is named after his thue systems which are models of computation almost identical to the language < 1275137498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also gave me a useful way to answer pointless surveys. < 1275137547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right also did some of the first cool combinatorics on words stuff < 1275137586 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275137611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thue-morse word was invented for the purpose of not having repetitions of length over 2 < 1275137661 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1275137690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm just educating Zuu) < 1275137694 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out about it when reading a thing on whether it was possible to play an unending game of chess. < 1275137708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1275137712 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language Thue is named after him. < 1275137717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he probably doesn't know what the word is < 1275137740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm not really educating him, but i'm using it as an excuse to be able to say random facts < 1275137784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right unending chess, sort of a trivial corollary < 1275137799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not entirely trivial because you have to find out what to repeat < 1275137815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suppose that takes like 3 moves from the initial position < 1275138074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: The Thue-Morse sequence: 0110100110010110 < 1275138076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1275138091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You take the complement and concatenate. < 1275138620 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275138704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275138731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275138812 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275141708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out how long 306 MB would take at an average transfer speed of 75kB/s
< 1275141809 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275141818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.3 hours? < 1275141827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275141830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too bad < 1275141889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit more than ETA reported by rsync < 1275141913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I did compensate for what it reported as already transferred) < 1275142508 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275142737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie oerjan lament! <-- i take it you want cheater99 banned? < 1275142856 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would someone want me banned? < 1275142858 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so lovable < 1275142867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to ask Phantom_Hoover about that < 1275142869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was readying. < 1275142958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe you should ban him anyway, because i want to see your powers in action < 1275142976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very boring < 1275143003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've seen it? < 1275143011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i already banned fax a few weeks ago < 1275143017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1275143020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did she do? < 1275143029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :went completely nuts < 1275143029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She posted "FUCK YOU" onto the wall. < 1275143035 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 500 times. < 1275143041 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wall/channel/ < 1275143041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275143048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what day was it i wanna read the log < 1275143061 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a weekend, a few weeks ago. < 1275143063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember < 1275143073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1275143075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look for mention of Klein bottles < 1275143131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: she used the soupdragon nick then < 1275143147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two weeks ago. < 1275143156 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the 15th or so. < 1275143351 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.86.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275143360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erxcellent. < 1275143376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excrement. < 1275143457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Anyway I have some inexplicable urge to write an ircd. < 1275143462 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK, why the nick? < 1275143474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick? < 1275143479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275143504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I decided to see how people would treat me differently on IRC if they thought I had ovaries. But I don't go to other channels much and nobody really sexist enters here. < 1275143532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I decided to keep it to crush English's sexist pronoun system; this nickname's gender is male, but with all pronouns augmented to be the female ones (while my gender is male) < 1275143543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do get the impression of friendlier, quicker service when I go to other channels though... and when some trolls came in here they propositioned me for sex < 1275143549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes. Anyway I have some inexplicable urge to write an ircd. <-- in which language < 1275143556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *everyone* refers to you as "he". < 1275143564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1275143568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol doesn't, and oerjan doesn't when he remembers. < 1275143580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not notied this. < 1275143582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And note that people don't use pronouns so much on IRC since there are so many people. < 1275143590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you have not "notied" (*noticed) it. < 1275143613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's the frightening thing. Take a guess. < 1275143620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell? < 1275143626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck? < 1275143628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not frightening for me. < 1275143637 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge? < 1275143646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not frightening for me. < 1275143658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i'm not sexist? < 1275143666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :women are stupider than men < 1275143675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK, what? < 1275143683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's what they want you to think < 1275143684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well, you don't show it much. < 1275143684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i donreally sexist < 1275143687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t know if i'm < 1275143694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and anyway you've never said anything as strong a statement as that before :P < 1275143702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think you just adopt controversial opinions because they're controversial < 1275143709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I asked AnMaster to guess! < 1275143717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PASCAL? < 1275143722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what? < 1275143724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, language? < 1275143727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275143731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who just adopt controversial opinions because they're controversial should be shot < 1275143732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, any hunts? < 1275143736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hints* < 1275143751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's frightening for me. < 1275143759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, qbasic? < 1275143765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, COBOL? < 1275143771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: java? < 1275143771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like QBASIC; why would that be frightening for me? < 1275143772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, C++? < 1275143774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, think a little bit. < 1275143778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a language I really hate? < 1275143778 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C#? < 1275143781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, erlang? < 1275143785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Erlang is fine. < 1275143786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VB? < 1275143790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a language I really DETEST? < 1275143796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm.... ook! < 1275143798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not you, Phanty.) < 1275143802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i already _said_ java < 1275143808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't detest ook, there's not enough language to detest < 1275143811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1275143814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: php! < 1275143816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, java or vb then < 1275143817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: java is supremely shittily mediocre, not detestable < 1275143818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or php < 1275143820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php isn't even a language < 1275143823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For fuck's sake you retards < 1275143823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275143824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's C < 1275143831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1275143833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1275143836 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so awful about C? < 1275143837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you detested C++ < 1275143841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I despise C! < 1275143842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I alise and mearly disliked C < 1275143847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I / < 1275143851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mearly? < 1275143857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely* < 1275143858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is horrible < 1275143866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so if you detest C, how do you feel about C++ then < 1275143871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well the actual good C like the plan 9 folks do is alright < 1275143878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hate typical C-on-Unix bullcrap < 1275143887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is just don't go there < 1275143887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with that? < 1275143899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1275143918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A few words, manual memory management is humanly impossible and a complete waste of time. If you think you can do it, wrong! You made a mistake. All this is unnecessary and we had machines that did GC on everything in the 80s, so isn't this fun? < 1275143929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual memory management is bullshit < 1275143934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes/ < 1275143937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the C standard library interestingly lacks a single function that operates on a real string data structure. < 1275143947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is pointless unless you're writing madly low-level stuff. < 1275143949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead it gives you a bunch of badly-named memory management functions that behave weirdly on \0 characters. < 1275143951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C standard library is retarded < 1275143955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence GNOME is also mad. < 1275143964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love GObject, it's ludicrously insane < 1275143964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome is a fucking shithole < 1275143967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think manual memory management is quite feasible for some tasks < 1275143971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for other tasks, no < 1275143972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goobject sucks < 1275143974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're writing more gnome stuff in vala nowadays < 1275143975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and c# < 1275143980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oklopol is just parroting opinions but more strongly now < 1275143988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah maybe embedded programming. < 1275143989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is a fucking asshole < 1275143995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol sucks dick < 1275143996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, exactly < 1275143998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders toying with KDE again
< 1275144009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and you need something for internal data structures of a GC < 1275144011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kde is ugly < 1275144014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no < 1275144016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't GC the GC < 1275144019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite obviously < 1275144027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where oklopol stops at, him sucking dick < 1275144031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "it's GCs all the way down" yeah right < 1275144038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is a gay homosexual < 1275144041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C GCs are inherently conservative... which is lame < 1275144043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who sucks dick for a living < 1275144048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo dawg I heard you like GCs so we GCed your GC so you can GC while you GC < 1275144050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he'd die without gay sex < 1275144051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then walks home < 1275144063 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw crap < 1275144077 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone now hates me on irc < 1275144079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, the C standard library interestingly lacks a single function that operates on a real string data structure. <-- agreed. C strings are irritating < 1275144083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yo dawg I herd you like X so we put an X in your Y so you can X while you Y" has mutated by replacing Y with X. < 1275144086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been... specialised. < 1275144087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they made kind of sense back when C was made < 1275144087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: who < 1275144089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: who? < 1275144092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1275144092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, memory wasn't cheap back then < 1275144098 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i joked they're using technobabble and he made me his personal enemy #1 < 1275144100 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=( < 1275144102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pascal existed... even pascal strings are better < 1275144107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Was it fax, perchance? < 1275144110 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275144112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is fax's personal enemy #1. < 1275144113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, the non-fixed length ones are < 1275144115 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone from a galaxy far away < 1275144117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1275144119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the fixed length ones are horrible < 1275144123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1275144127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fax likes me < 1275144137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: only 'cuz you haven't called her a girl yet < 1275144138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and iirc the fixed length was all that existed back then < 1275144141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not 100% sure < 1275144141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not responded to her immediately < 1275144143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have < 1275144152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe she just wants to have sex with you then < 1275144160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started talking to her in pm a lot when i heard she was a girl < 1275144171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_ < 1275144174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she doesn't consider herself a girl :P < 1275144174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-* < 1275144185 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now he doesn't hate me that much anymore < 1275144189 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that irc emotion < 1275144190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least when I said to AnMaster that she was m->f transgender which is what augur told me, she freaked < 1275144192 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is overwhelming me < 1275144193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yelled at me for 50 years < 1275144196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway so I'm just going to write it as event-ish based code < 1275144200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i care, i enjoy conversations more if the other dude has a vagina. < 1275144207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and see if I can avoid serious string handling outside of the parser < 1275144209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: she doesn't < 1275144214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I'm 99% sure she hasn't had a sex change < 1275144228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... BSD sockets? < 1275144233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, you need to have a psychological evaluation to make sure you are sane < 1275144240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1275144248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (1) she is not sane (2) apparently she'd been to see psychologists before and just gave up on it < 1275144253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, she doesn't think she's a girl, and she has a dick < 1275144257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... she's just a guy? < 1275144262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well clearly she thinks she's female in some sense < 1275144265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 232.78M 76% 60.31kB/s 0:21:01 83.77kB/s 0:35:09 <-- sigh < 1275144268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since she prefers the pronoun she... I think < 1275144271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs slow connection
< 1275144282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's a crazy ungendered person with a dick < 1275144283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1275144284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1275144288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that copy was strange < 1275144293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have two times there < 1275144295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1275144297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm, come to think of it, ircds don't really handle strings at all < 1275144311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well that's still closer to person with vagina than guy < 1275144313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275144323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, they need to parse the message to figure out if it is a command, and such. Like JOIN or PRIVMSG < 1275144330 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, a hole is a hole < 1275144343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and for PRIVMSG they have to figure out where to send it < 1275144346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, Lisp was around when C was invented. < 1275144351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for other commands they need to parse the parameters too < 1275144372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but beyond parsing < 1275144379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can all be done in one go really, since most commands don't have in-parameter syntaxes < 1275144380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and they need to construct a large number of strings to send to clients. like :alise!~alise@91.105.86.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but beyond parsing < 1275144386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(copied from raw log) < 1275144390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have to construct them necessarily < 1275144392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't your line < 1275144394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can send them to the socket as they go < 1275144409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i suppose < 1275144411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well she used to identify as male, definitely < 1275144418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so it's male->who knows? and they have a dick < 1275144422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun~ < 1275144424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, still some messages like PING/PONG, various stuff like gline reasons. Quit reasons. < 1275144427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275144450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also /map. (probably disabled for non-opers on here) < 1275144452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is < 1275144458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do? < 1275144463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well it shows a map of the spanning tree from the server you are on < 1275144466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ascii < 1275144481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds lovely^Whorrible. < 1275144497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess you'll hate this thing anyway since I don't plan to support any existing irc services < 1275144499 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a person in #c on efnet < 1275144504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, quite useful for opers. For non-opers either it shows nothing or it is disabled < 1275144504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: she's also insane, i think that's even better than having a vagina < 1275144505 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that was in #c++ < 1275144510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: tru. < 1275144512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no server linking? well sane move < 1275144520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server linking makes thing very complex < 1275144520 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone started calling him/her/it arbitrary pronouns < 1275144522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not the same thing < 1275144528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a guy was totally nuts i could probably have sex with him < 1275144531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can link servers without supporting the special oper commands < 1275144534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the services use < 1275144537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*special services < 1275144539 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it got so big the ops got pissed off < 1275144544 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and started banning anyone who did that lol < 1275144547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if a girl was really smart i'd be like put ur clothes on < 1275144570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm? On most ircds they use standard ones but have some extra permissions basically < 1275144579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps one or two special ones for services < 1275144586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks inspircd server protocol docs
< 1275144591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why do ircds like ngircd say they need to add suppo for dervices to work < 1275144597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why do services have their own modules, usually, in ircds < 1275144610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*support < 1275144611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*services < 1275144612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dervices :) < 1275144641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also server<->server protocols for ircds are not standard. Well there exist a few that are used by several < 1275144645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly not standard < 1275144655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that explains " and why do services have their own modules, usually, in ircds" < 1275144664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, fair enough < 1275144669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't server linking... useful? :-) < 1275144672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then there is the thing about /whois < 1275144678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [alise] is logged in as alise < 1275144678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine freenode running on one network -- but then I guess I won't be runnning Freenode any time soon < 1275144691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a few small things like that need some sort of support from the ircd side < 1275144693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, see, I'm going to do services by just having it be a plugin-type dealie < 1275144698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it can easily hook into /whois and the like < 1275144716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well inspircd uses an m_services.so < 1275144719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what you mean < 1275144734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there will be no separate services package or server. < 1275144739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just be a plugin for this one ircd. < 1275144740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275144741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple. < 1275144749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, decentralised services? < 1275144760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I cannot imagine that working, at all :P < 1275144764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you realise that would be quite a pain to handle if servers splits. < 1275144769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and netsplits do happen. < 1275144790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I can imagine it working. It is just that it would be a PITA and conflict resolution would be quite insane < 1275144792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't link servers, remember? < 1275144799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean decentralised services < 1275144812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the latter < 1275144819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1275144823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not link any servers? < 1275144827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even "normal" ones? < 1275144831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to services < 1275144835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, that's even what you said. < 1275144846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, no server linking? well sane move < 1275144846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : server linking makes thing very complex < 1275144854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275144856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I said that < 1275144859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can have a single ircd serving at least 7,000 online peeps if it's written well enough. < 1275144867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then " but isn't server linking... useful? :-)" made me think you decided to do it anyway < 1275144873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not like any of this is computationally intensive, and the c10k problem is well-researched. < 1275144881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, thing is, avoiding race conditions in server protocol is like a black art < 1275144891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; I don't go for black art. < 1275144901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can't explain every line exactly I get upset and try and rewrite it. < 1275144912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for example you need two timestamps for topic for conflict resolution to work properly after a netsplit < 1275144922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for channel created and one for topic last changed < 1275144927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't we just assume netsplits NEVER HAPPEN?! Yay!!!! < 1275144940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and then it goes like: oldest channel created wins. If a tie, then newest topic change wins < 1275144962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, because they always happen. Network issues and so on. < 1275144976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a joke < 1275144980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275144986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume a perfectly spherical cow, and a perfectly reliable network. < 1275145011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275145066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do "most" event-based ircds do thangs? I'm just going to do it the obvious way -- you can set up callbacks on certain events/messages coming in from certain users, etc., in the server, and the handlers queue() up messages to be sent after they exit < 1275145083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick look at http://wiki.inspircd.org/InspIRCd_Spanning_Tree_1.2/Commands indicates there are a few service specific messages. Only a few are actually needed. SVSNICK is to handle nick already registered-auto rename < 1275145114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svshold too < 1275145129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and svsmode (for some services at least) < 1275145130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering making my "services" actually just commands < 1275145153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "/nick register password", except not /nick of course because that's taken. < 1275145154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sane idea if you are not doing server linking yeah < 1275145168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One advantage of services users is that you can have them in their own tab < 1275145238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well sure. But since they use notices to reply (RFC requires this actually, that is, automated replies should be NOTICE and you must not generate an automated reply when receiving a NOTICE, a way to block infinite loops) < 1275145256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh didn't finish the sentence I see XD < 1275145260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about that rule, but that rule is a bit silly. < 1275145266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC bots using /notice is irritating in the highest. < 1275145269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well: ... they usually end up in #services for me < 1275145287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since services are all joined there. That is on networks where I am in there < 1275145295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I wonder if clients handle a completely ludicrous hostname. < 1275145307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you mean like the one freenode uses? < 1275145311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [AnMaster] (~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster): AnMaster < 1275145313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275145316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :": NOTICE ehird :AHAHAHA" < 1275145327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ? < 1275145331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty hostname. < 1275145333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the start I mean < 1275145334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275145356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no that isn't just empty host name. It is empty nick and ident too < 1275145358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in XChat that would display as "-- AHAHAHA", presumably. < 1275145362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ah, right. < 1275145363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275145364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about :@ < 1275145375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, eh. I have no clue. But I don't recommend it < 1275145385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why not use server style notices < 1275145386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? It would be useful for the server to send "useful" information to the client. < 1275145388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check how they are sent < 1275145395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't those go to the server tab in XChat? < 1275145398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm trying to avoid. < 1275145411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean :a.b.c NOTICE ... < 1275145502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> :server.example.org NOTICE AnMaster :*** CHANCREATE: Channel #bar created by AnMaster!AnMaster@hostname.here < 1275145504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, like that < 1275145509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the >> is from my raw log < 1275145513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing it came from server < 1275145517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to being sent to server < 1275145521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, well, an empty domain name is perfectly valid < 1275145525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So : NOTICE should work fine. < 1275145539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, iirc it needs to be the server name sent to client on connect < 1275145544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it to work properly < 1275145546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure < 1275145560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then :@ :P < 1275145568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but sure, go ahead and try empty host name. It wouldn't surprise me if it broke < 1275145597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [NickServ] (NickServ@services.): Nickname Services < 1275145601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how about :@ircd.? < 1275145609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no idea. I never tried it < 1275145616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I have easy testing of it available < 1275145635 0 :enero!~Libero_Br@151.2.170.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275145648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, just to check, the I won't run into any serious problems with an event-based model based on adding callbacks to certain types of message that come in, plus queue()ing up messages to send after handlers exit? < 1275145661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, idea: write a "test bench" with netcat that just sends pre-written file to connecting clients < 1275145666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then test clients against that < 1275145691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy i've never seen rings the doorbell "hi i'm your neighbor, left the keys at home, can i borrow your cellphone?" "okay, here" "thanks, i'll just go get the number and call" *vanishes* < 1275145732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have no idea. Worth a try I presume. Most ircds are single threaded and use non-blocking IO < 1275145737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats, you just gave away your cellphone < 1275145740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy a new one < 1275145742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275145757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought "wow if this is a hoax then damn it's clever" < 1275145762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and closed the door < 1275145764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must remember that for all your insanity you are a little bit stupid < 1275145777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, with select() or whatever is available on platform that is better < 1275145789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: of course < 1275145809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: point is, though, you never need to block the handler until this message is sent < 1275145810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epoll, kqueue, /dev/poll, ... < 1275145815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :queueing up stuff will always work? < 1275145819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, there's really no way to get robbed in finland < 1275145822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although otoh... what's the point < 1275145827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm? how do you mean? < 1275145840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1275145841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or stolen from < 1275145841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need to consider timed events, such as timing out old glines < 1275145844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function in your ircd queue which does < 1275145848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a very boring country < 1275145856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :queue(...) ==> append the message to an internal list < 1275145858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when your handler exits < 1275145859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1275145863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275145863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main loop goes through all queued messages < 1275145865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sends them off < 1275145868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then does its select-ery again < 1275145871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess that could work < 1275145879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it have any advantages over immediate sending, though... < 1275145893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/unix-jun72/ 1st edition unix < 1275145894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, of course, you will need to wake up sometimes even when queue is empty and there is no IO < 1275145900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simulatable! < 1275145903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as timing out klines < 1275145916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sending PING < 1275145917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is almost tempted to say Meh, klines... who needs them
< 1275145917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clients < 1275145930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, PING, who needs it. Freenode doesn't even kick you if you don't respond to pings. < 1275145936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it does nowdays iirc < 1275145950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it didn't beforehand and that's good enough for me < 1275145950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the switch from hyperion to charybdis < 1275145963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not charybdis, ircd-seven. Which is charybdis + a few patches < 1275145991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it relied on tcp timeout indeed < 1275146059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, now that I've the idea, I clearly must start on the most important part: the name. irked? < 1275146064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275146091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and bans. That is some fun string handling < 1275146098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!*@*.foo.net < 1275146104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to do wild card matching there < 1275146107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently invented a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language." --Knuth < 1275146147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so yes there is some string handling outside parser. for glines/klines it is ident@host only. Nick doesn't come into it < 1275146155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still the wildcard thing < 1275146167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, maybe I'll just change everything so that it's better. < 1275146176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't have an interface, it's free game! < 1275146181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm? < 1275146194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nobody really uses an interface to ban, they do it manually. < 1275146197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mode +b < 1275146202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people use an interface to talk, join, invite, etc. -- an IRC client. < 1275146204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and that has the wildcards < 1275146207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #esoteric Banlist: Sun Apr 18 11:01:14 *!*email@*.dyn.optonline.net verne.freenode.net < 1275146209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't change the latter, but I can change the former. < 1275146213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1275146213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand? < 1275146237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you can't change the latter easily without breaking things. for example that ban list above was formatted by my client < 1275146247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't look at the banlist then :PP < 1275146253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< MODE #esoteric +b < 1275146254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> :verne.freenode.net 367 AnMaster #esoteric *!*checker@c-68-55-8-210.hsd1.md.comcast.net verne.freenode.net 1271581274 < 1275146254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs: < 1275146258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #esoteric Banlist: Sun Apr 18 11:01:14 *!*checker@c-68-55-8-210.hsd1.md.comcast.net verne.freenode.net < 1275146278 0 :enero!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275146284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1275146289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how I love the numerics. At least there is a nice list for it somewhere < 1275146291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*looks* < 1275146293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't think I need to worry about bans before I can get a connection going, do you? < 1275146317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, covers many (but not all) ircds: http://winchat.fyrenet.com/OPERINFO/IrcNumerics/IRC-2%20Numeric%20List.htm < 1275146328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their conflicting uses < 1275146362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/work/2010-05/irked; so no matter how old it gets, it will always be from now. < 1275146373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm? < 1275146378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1275146398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i one made an ircd just so my friend could run his irc bot more efficiently < 1275146414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*once < 1275146433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once fucked a goat. < 1275146440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it isn't like you need anything more than select() or poll(), if you want to be prudent split it out in a separate function with some add()/remove()/wait() API. Should be easy to replace with epoll or whatever later then < 1275146458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no you didn't < 1275146473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: select is easier to use at first right? < 1275146491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just put select() in the main loop at first, then refactor it out into a separate function when I wish. < 1275146494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm iirc both of those messes up your data structure after each wait < 1275146500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike epoll and kqueue < 1275146500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no ifdefs! < 1275146506 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275146572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the point of epoll and kqueue is that they don't send the list of fds to wait on to the kernel every time. The kernel stores a list that you can wait on. < 1275146585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that also means they don't mess up your list so you have to rebuild it every time < 1275146591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are they... easy to use? < 1275146592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which at least select() does iirc < 1275146599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not too bad iirc < 1275146601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amazingly lazy you see. < 1275146619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why C then... < 1275146628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because! It'll be event based, so it won't hurt, right? < 1275146629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy + C = NaN < 1275146636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic hates you < 1275146641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hah < 1275146652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm using IEEE floating point < 1275146674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1275146692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275146712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE is the devil's arithmetic. < 1275146718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh btw epoll can be either level or edge triggered < 1275146725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll is level triggered < 1275146734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select is too iirc < 1275146742 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275146754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275146754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What what or the what what? < 1275146755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means it can return right away. Which you might want. epoll can be set to only return on change. < 1275146765 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1275146768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is your question? < 1275146790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea :P < 1275146797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether to write it using CWEB. Literate programming! Nah.
< 1275146805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, of course epoll is linux specific, kqueue is freebsd specific (and possibly other *bsd), /dev/poll is solaris < 1275146814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows has something completely different again < 1275146833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes a big advantage of literate programming's blocks is that they can access variables where they appear, unlike functions.
< 1275146838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll and select are both fairly standard. Possibly excluding *BSD < 1275146866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how do you mean? < 1275146867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1275146882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Possibly excluding \*BSD/Possibly excluding Windows/ < 1275146885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo < 1275146901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1275146903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse_options(argc, argv); < 1275146908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with literate programming you'd just say < 1275146911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : <> < 1275146920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and later on the <> code could use argc and argv < 1275146924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not goto; it's all rearranged before compiling) < 1275146962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275146973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : default: < 1275146973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fprintf(stderr, "You get NOTHING! You LOSE! Good DAY sir!\n"); < 1275146974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : exit(1); < 1275146986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will hereby heartily accept dares of the form "keep this as your invalid-option message forever". < 1275146990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do you still have functions in literate programming? < 1275147000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes; it's plain C in the end, of course. Well, or Pascal :-D < 1275147018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1275147026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has things like "macros" -- sort of like preprocessor macros but saner, for tiny little not-even-functions -- and the "blocks" which are the main thing, literate programming isn't just comments-by-default, < 1275147046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275147053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about being able to write your code in the order that it's relevant, so that you can talk about it, and then later say "Here's how we parse the options of the program" because the reader /does not need to know those details/ before understanding more about the program < 1275147061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is the generated output readable btw? < 1275147065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I guess so. < 1275147067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatively. < 1275147076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want to, though? < 1275147088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, debugging literate programming typos. < 1275147098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can sort of do blocks in regular C by predeclaring a function; but you have to manually pass around variables and can only have one return variable instead of changing others. < 1275147099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I hope it uses #line as required < 1275147104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get useful back traces < 1275147105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's more verbose to declare a function, and you have to under_score_your_name. < 1275147114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think CWEB does. < 1275147115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and could you use the "<>" thing in several places? < 1275147118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe noweb does. < 1275147122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1275147132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay that could cause some confusion for back traces < 1275147163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it works fine :P < 1275147167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it might be hard to figure out which case of using that code it was that crashed < 1275147175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have this strange condition where you try and search for the problems first in everything. < 1275147188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1275147191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true I guess < 1275147221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses c99 so that he doesn't have to put (void) in function declarations
< 1275147226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupidest thing ever, stupid! < 1275147229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1275147232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c89 you mean then < 1275147234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not c99 < 1275147235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1275147239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void foo(); <-- this is invalid in c89 < 1275147262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it means a K&R style function in C89 iirc < 1275147264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gee, how should we denote a function having no arguments?" "Uh... put void in there... void is like... nothingness..." [some time passes] "Wow, we were really fucking stoned last night. Hey, I wonder what we did to C? ...WHAT?" < 1275147294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so void means a function with no parameters in C89. while having nothing there means it isn't specified, like in K&R < 1275147304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1275147310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in C99, "void foo();" is the same as "void foo(void);" < 1275147312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure. < 1275147328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a gcc warning still < 1275147336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1275147384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw man, this doesn't work: < 1275147385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while ((int opt = getopt(argc, argv, "v")) != -1) { < 1275147429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to get \ae displaying on his terminal
< 1275147444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's an IRC d�mon, why wouldn't I print that? (Note: I am currently procrastinating) < 1275147456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderstorm < 1275147470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1275147472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderstorm < 1275147507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it works. < 1275147509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ae monospaced looks freaky. < 1275147620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1275148167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooooooooooooooooo < 1275148191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, someone actually made a non-sucking package manager for OS X. < 1275148198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oklopol disappears! < 1275148238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remembered package managers are boring --------> < 1275148621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ææææææææææææææææææææ < 1275148661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh�t up < 1275148690 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shat up? < 1275148701 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shat up what? < 1275148859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some æs < 1275148887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shatted
< 1275148894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The past tense of the past tense of "shit". < 1275148952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that works particularly well if you realize that norwegian æ is pronounced pretty close to the a in ass) < 1275148971 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that;s what i thought you meant by "shat" < 1275149030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shaet < 1275149032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i meant shut < 1275149114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ø would be closer for that < 1275149175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the stereotypically bad norwegian english accent would pronounce shut with an ø) < 1275149260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm even closer with british english, i presume < 1275149315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sh uhh' t < 1275149354 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vowel sound is almost a schwa < 1275149386 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275149577 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275149613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will someone *please* remove the dead link in the welcome message? < 1275149632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1275149638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's tradition. < 1275149659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just an excuse for laziness. < 1275149734 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead link/ < 1275149737 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275149741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frappr < 1275149745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes it is. < 1275149766 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's never worked while I've been on the channel. < 1275149828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello? < 1275149834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1275149851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275149868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was even on that page? < 1275149928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://loremipsum.net/screenshots/fullpromote.jpg < 1275149932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a map with us folk < 1275149999 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Leeds held on for a while there... < 1275150021 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leeds? < 1275150033 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugby League < 1275150040 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1275150046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275150046 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275150049 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenge Cup quarter final < 1275150050 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's someone in another channel with the nickname Leeds < 1275150054 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275150117 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought void foo(); meant something stupid like a variable number of arguments?
< 1275150144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: done < 1275150179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it gives a link to the wiki instead < 1275150261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey!! < 1275150265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't do that to our tradition! < 1275150295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEENER NEENER < 1275150491 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How light can desktop computers get? < 1275150516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if they get too light they would float off < 1275150520 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: () does indicate variable args. < 1275150562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could glue them to the desktop to fix that < 1275150593 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a table that this laptop is currently resting on
< 1275150604 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I'd trust it with a heavy computer < 1275150606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey me too! < 1275150610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275150610 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-122-35.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1275150629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating computers would be cool. < 1275150637 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: probably about 4kg is the lower limit < 1275150653 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's for all 4 main components (base unit, monitor, keyboard, mouse) < 1275150657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo_: () does indicate variable args. < 1275150657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in c99 < 1275150670 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, keyboard < 1275150672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1275150675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: hmm, i think you are wrong < 1275150681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those holographic keyboard things are quite light aren't they? < 1275150681 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not sure how that will fit on the table
< 1275150685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're meant to be portable after all < 1275150689 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275150693 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards are light, though < 1275150694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny tiny mouse = no weight < 1275150699 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's not much of the total weight < 1275150704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: monitor... you can get tiny 8" "portable" monitors < 1275150723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computer itself can be less than 1kg. < 1275150726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1275150732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: e.g. every lightweight laptop) < 1275150732 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming something like a reasonable tft < 1275150736 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275150740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how do you indicate "takes any args" in C99, then? < 1275150744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: then basically we're just measuring weight(tft) + epsilon :P < 1275150747 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... i think < 1275150749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1275150753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like best practice in c89 < 1275150760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int foo(int abc, int def, ...); < 1275150768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note you must have at least one argument when using varargs < 1275150781 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a good gaming computer < 1275150799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to indicate that it will take any old junk? < 1275150818 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: 3kg then, likely < 1275150857 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a pointer to void be a valid argument to a function? < 1275150862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's useless unless there's at least one argument to tell you how to understand the rest < 1275150874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iiuc) < 1275150890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for "ignore all arguments"? < 1275150911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't really know
< 1275151011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: any old junk? < 1275151012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't < 1275151025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variadic function MUST have at least one argument. < 1275151028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it is undefined behaviour < 1275151057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm pretty sure you have to process every argument before ending a variadic function, so you have to have e.g. either a terminator such as NULL or have the first argument be the number of following arguments < 1275151202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do you allow the function to take absolutely any arguments whatsoever? < 1275151236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't. < 1275151325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it makes perfect sense in the context of x86 calling conventions. < 1275151329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need to process them all, then you can't < 1275151337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure about other platforms. < 1275151461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tough shit, this is C, there are rules, albeit very few of them < 1275151469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to work on only x86/gcc, write anything that compiles < 1275151484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char *foo(...) { return "Fuck you, C"; } < 1275151495 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c < 1275151518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char *foo(...) { return "Fuck you, C";} < 1275151519 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1275151527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiler says no. < 1275151557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new album from Radiohead; a sequel to "OK Computer"... the stunning, critically acclaimed... < 1275151560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPILER SAYS NO < 1275152097 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char *foo() { return "Fuck you, C";} < 1275152147 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no output means it compiles? < 1275152180 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char *foo(){return "Fuck you, C";} int main(){printf("%s\n", foo())} < 1275152181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275152181 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1275152194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int fuck() { return 0; } int main() { fuck(1,2,3,"abc"); } < 1275152206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm may need a newline between functions < 1275152211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int fuck() { return 0; } int main() { fuck(1,2,3,"abc"); printf("Sex robots\n"); } < 1275152212 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex robots < 1275152224 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char *foo(){return "Fuck you, C";} int main(){printf("%s\n", foo());} < 1275152225 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, C < 1275152241 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :semicolon ;-) < 1275152242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char *foo(){return "Fuck you, C";} int main(){printf("%s\n", foo("FUCKING","POGO","STICKS","RRRRRRRRRRRRNGH"));} < 1275152243 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, C < 1275152245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char *foo(...){return "Fuck you, C";} int main(){printf("%s\n", foo());} < 1275152245 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1275152250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that this is all undefined. < 1275152257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Passing a function more arguments than it takes? Yeah, undefined. < 1275152260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck. Have fun. < 1275152301 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help c < 1275152302 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for c! < 1275152311 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!which c < 1275152423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat `which c` < 1275152433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ls < 1275152447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls < 1275152447 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's the other bot < 1275152447 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps < 1275152479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls interps < 1275152480 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l < 1275152524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls interps/gcccomp < 1275152525 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcccomp < 1275152538 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh cat interps/gcccomp/gcccomp < 1275152538 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash < 1275152568 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275152581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523! < 1275152610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1275152629 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("test\n"); < 1275152631 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1275152646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1275152646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("test"); < 1275152648 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1275152650 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("test\n") < 1275152651 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1275152656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I lost in the second round in the Pokémon tournament, in the end < 1275152662 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("test") < 1275152663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aw, bad luck! < 1275152663 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1275152674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ...so perl6 has * now, meaning... anything? apparently you can use it to select "any item of a list" or something < 1275152678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had a pretty good team (RNGed like mine was), and outpredicted me on the second turn < 1275152680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it pick a random element or something? < 1275152685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: * has meant "anything" for a while < 1275152696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does @foo[*] work? < 1275152699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a sort-of quantifier, in a sence < 1275152700 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So wait, you game the RNG? < 1275152701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sense < 1275152708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@foo[*] means "every element in @foo" < 1275152715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, in order to get the teams in the first place < 1275152735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the in-battle RNG hasn't been hacked, and anyway it would be impossible to control the seed in tournament conditions < 1275152778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://shaym.in/apps/iv_checker if you're interested < 1275152781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote that, although I'm not hosting it < 1275152823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you enter the stats you want and it says "set your game to such and such a date and time, start with a delay of such and such a time period, use the nth seed to get your Pokémon" < 1275152895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there ? < 1275152897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@foo[?] = any elemnt < 1275152898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*element < 1275152924 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that cute or what http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs208.snc1/7535_159039461451_520306451_2810195_1099162_n.jpg < 1275152988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm trying to get it to give me the shittiest magikarp imaginable :( < 1275153001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: heh < 1275153004 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: More than a little creepy. < 1275153023 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's creepy? < 1275153025 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never played Pokemon stuff (except Pokemon Snap, with a friend, a long time ago)
< 1275153035 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have read books (again, a long time ago) < 1275153072 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover? < 1275153090 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I think * means both and you can use any() or all() to switch < 1275153094 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: That's taken from Facebook, as far as I can tell. < 1275153100 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275153101 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1275153104 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's creepy? < 1275153115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1275153121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just... < 1275153133 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well? < 1275153134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I want IVs from Stats right? < 1275153145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: probably the other way round < 1275153147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set all the IVs to 0 < 1275153151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll give you the minimum stats < 1275153158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tried that, it didn't give me any RNG options < 1275153172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what nature did you set? < 1275153178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most natures are impossible with any given set of IVs < 1275153181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the way you hack-check < 1275153188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a flawless Pokémon has to be either Modest or Timid < 1275153196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unspecified characteristic right? < 1275153196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a similar restriction on an anti-flawless Pokémon < 1275153199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: right < 1275153204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't care about that < 1275153209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor hidden power, probably < 1275153212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1275153223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brave 0-level 0-hp 0-atk 0-def 0-spa 0-spd 0-spe brave(! :D) magikarp < 1275153240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1275153250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seed 5DD69706, delay 12238, frame 7 gives hp 10, atk 5, def 5, spa 5, spd 5, spe 4 < 1275153255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rubbish :(( < 1275153262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's close to the minimum possible < 1275153268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brave raises atk and reduces spe) < 1275153272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275153274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries other natures
< 1275153281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all natures are either neutral < 1275153284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or raise one stat and drop one < 1275153293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :docile gives hp 10, all others 5 < 1275153295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is worse < 1275153302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brave is the worst possible, then < 1275153306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its atk boost isn't doing anything < 1275153307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasty gives all 5 except def=4 < 1275153312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you may as well factor in the spe or def drop < 1275153323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 12238 is a painfully high delay < 1275153336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that 60 is one second, and 3600 is one minute < 1275153341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be waiting for ages on the title screen < 1275153359 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot believe you people would rather talk about pokemon than hot chicks < 1275153363 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I have an irrational fear of Perl and PHP) < 1275153363 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : NEVER < 1275153363 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : EVER < 1275153363 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : PUT PHP AND PERL INTO THE SAME SENTENCE < 1275153369 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() < 1275153396 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, what about perl php and coldfusion? < 1275153397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: heh < 1275153399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so skip ahead with a simulator < 1275153402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dur < 1275153408 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : php is just a nice invention to keep the dumbasses away from perl < 1275153412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that would defeat the point of controlling the RNG < 1275153415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway 3.399{4r} minutes isn't so bad < 1275153430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is being accurate to 1/60 of a second after that long < 1275153433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what's the absolute worst pokemon I can get, do you know? < 1275153441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably not a magikarp, if it has a whole 10hp and ~5 stats < 1275153446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there are some that are very bad < 1275153452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just care about low stats, try sunkern < 1275153455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magikarp has the advantage of having no attacks < 1275153460 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1275153464 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a book on ColdFusion somewhere < 1275153467 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need the worst ever pokemon? < 1275153467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Unown has fewer < 1275153467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(attacks are generally considered bad because they can be used to hurt the other pokemon, which might upset it) < 1275153473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it deals damage < 1275153473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wut? < 1275153477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: KINDNESS < 1275153480 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the new ones magikarp learns tackle, doesn't it? < 1275153481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Unown learns a grand total of 1 attack < 1275153481 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that actually an objective? < 1275153485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to Magikarp's 4 < 1275153487 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the game? < 1275153489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(splash, tackle, bounce, flail) < 1275153491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magikarp used to learn only Splash < 1275153495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nope < 1275153500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's learnt Tackle at lv.15 forever < 1275153502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the difference between 1, j and k < 1275153506 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1275153511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: depends on how you're catching the Pokémon < 1275153525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, magikarps aren't always completely useless? < 1275153527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of Magikarp, you're probably fishing, so J on Diamond/Pearl/Platinum and K on HeartGold and SoulSilver < 1275153531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god I want a level 100 magikarp now <3 < 1275153539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pah, what about us sapphire owners < 1275153541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there's a Magikarp sweep on Youtube somewhere < 1275153543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Magikarp can also learn Surf. < 1275153548 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, you're right, it did < 1275153551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i have one of the ds ones < 1275153551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Surf is actually a *good* move. < 1275153552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget which < 1275153552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sapphire uses method 1, 2, 3, or 4, but the reasoning behind which hasn't been determined yet < 1275153555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diamond i think < 1275153556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it doesn't < 1275153561 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it only learned Splash back in Gen 1 < 1275153563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gyarados does, Magikarp doesn't because it doesn't learn TMs and HMs < 1275153569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... Wait, a water type that doesn't learn surf? < 1275153574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damn Magikarp sucks. < 1275153578 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Kakuna and company only learn Harden < 1275153585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the max stats for the various ones? I know little of pokeman's workings < 1275153590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Unown only learns Hidden Power < 1275153596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hidden Power's an attack, though < 1275153600 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kakuna's incapable of doing any damage < 1275153601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIDDEN BECAUSE IT CAN'T DO SHIT LOL < 1275153602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you can look up the max stats for a particular Pokémon < 1275153607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm pretty sure the breeding mechanic lets you get a Magikarp with other moves. < 1275153610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Kakuna can be tutored Bug Bite, IIRC < 1275153616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's restricted to Bounce < 1275153620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :four moves total < 1275153621 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not in Gen 1, at least according to Bulbapedia < 1275153623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not positive, though, because I never tried) < 1275153631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/magikarp/moves < 1275153634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: God damn Magikarp sucks. < 1275153636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two in gen 1, splash and tackle < 1275153642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flail came up later, bounce is a tutor move IIRC < 1275153645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from gen 4 < 1275153647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magikarp_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Pok.C3.A9dex_entries_2 HAHAHAHA the pokedex fucking hates magikarp < 1275153656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a horribly weak, pathetic Pokemon! Die the fuck out already! < 1275153661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: which pokedex? < 1275153665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them < 1275153668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click the link, it has them all < 1275153669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's also that one move you get when you're out of PP. :) < 1275153670 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before gen 4 Kakuna learned only Harden; but yeah, in 4 it can be tutored stuff < 1275153673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Smogon < 1275153679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It evolves into Gyarados starting at level 20. < 1275153682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can avoid evolving right? < 1275153685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1275153687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275153688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you get a level 100 magikarp < 1275153690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a bit of fun, http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/kakuna < 1275153692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you can, < 1275153693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can < 1275153694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275153699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOT < 1275153717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone complete the game with just ridiculously overpowered magikarps, please < 1275153718 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, gen 4 < 1275153723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was fond of level 100 Gyarados, though
< 1275153728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it can have poison sting and string shot if it evolved from a weedle < 1275153730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in gen 1 < 1275153733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK GYRADOS magikarp is superior < 1275153734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I shall in a bit. < 1275153756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I sit down and play Pokemon Green. < 1275153759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: True enough < 1275153773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just love the strategy analysis for kakuna, anyway < 1275153782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was originally a reaction to a bout of trolling < 1275153791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where someone repeatedly claimed kakuna should have an analysis < 1275153794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and grew from there < 1275153816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bah, oldschool is for wimps < 1275153824 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does metapod have one too? :-P < 1275153826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sapphire was the best Pokemon game frrlz (I assert this because I have it) < 1275153831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD level 100 metapod < 1275153836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY YES. < 1275153846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metapod is essentially equivalent to Kakuna < 1275153871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't think so < 1275153884 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, Kakuna's Bug/Poison < 1275153884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magikarp / metapod / kakuna TEAM OF WINNERS < 1275153892 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so they're a bit different < 1275153896 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they have the same moveset < 1275153904 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeep < 1275153905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronun=$Ka-KOO-nuh$| < 1275153907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ummm... < 1275153918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, this isn't bulbapedia < 1275153922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some wikia thing < 1275153924 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With Python, you might be forced to use nano!" "When?" "If, say, the customer doesn't have vim installed" < 1275153924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other humorous analyses include http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/unown and http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/luvdisc < 1275153937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what < 1275153941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luvdisc is amusing because it's very fast and its other moves are pathetic < 1275153944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*other stats < 1275153949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its only good moves are those that raise Speed < 1275153954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275153966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magikarp < 1275153967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swift Swim < 1275153967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speed doubles in rain. < 1275153968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's just greaT < 1275153969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*great < 1275153998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's actually a useful ability < 1275154034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Luvdisc is great if you're playing with Battle Timeout, because its mere presence should cause your opponent to laugh at it for so long that you win the match." < 1275154041 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1275154049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1275154063 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows little about Pokemon
< 1275154072 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can teach it surf and ice beam and stuff, it can't be bad < 1275154077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers his automatic-virtual-server-for-one-command thing
< 1275154078 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that there are Pokemon named Mew and Mewtoo/Mew2/? < 1275154096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: play the pokemon games immediately. < 1275154097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ... < 1275154099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's mewtwo. < 1275154104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're how old? < 1275154105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20? < 1275154106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ミュウツー < 1275154118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DID YOU NOT PLAY POKEMON < 1275154127 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275154148 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had a handheld game thing < 1275154159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DID YOU NOT PLAY POKEMON < 1275154160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only played it on an emulator < 1275154181 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Pokemon Snap count? < 1275154198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1275154218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Buy a DS. < 1275154222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a Pokemon game. < 1275154225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play; endlessly. < 1275154236 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buying a DS just for Pokémon is a bit of a waste IMO < 1275154249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I bought a GBC just for Pokemon. < 1275154261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to get bored of the Pokémon games pretty quickly < 1275154265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It then got used for other games, but still. < 1275154277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The DS is good anyway, so eh < 1275154278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1275154280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so bad, at least. < 1275154286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an obsession about that game... < 1275154289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get a GBA really cheap though I bet < 1275154292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'd get a GBA SP < 1275154297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GBA's lack of a backlight was stupidity personified < 1275154298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you can think of uses for it / other games to play, sure < 1275154302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an original DS should be pretty cheap by now < 1275154310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: nothing before the GBA had a backlight either < 1275154314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i have a soft spot before the gba sp :P < 1275154316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has played through Blue and Gold at least 3 times each.
< 1275154320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but the gba had more colour detail < 1275154323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it had more darker areas < 1275154326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for e.g. grass and stuff < 1275154328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta < 1275154336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the original GB? :-P < 1275154343 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much colour detail there < 1275154345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uh... Game Gear? < 1275154349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, colour at all < 1275154359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, no Nintendo portable < 1275154365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than nothing in general < 1275154373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, the Gameboy Light? < 1275154375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slight disadvantage to the GB: Tetris and Pokemon, ok, you can throw it away now < 1275154385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Zelda! < 1275154395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Buy an SNES < 1275154399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final Fantasy Adventure < 1275154402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka Mystic Quest) < 1275154409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metroid II < 1275154410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also true, but the Zelda games for it were good. < 1275154414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok fine you win < 1275154420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the GBA had a little attachable light too that pointed at the front < 1275154423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :powered by its battery < 1275154425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was shit, though. < 1275154429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275154433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The Gameboy Light was a backlight Gameboy Pocket. < 1275154437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was good enough to play in the dark, but still awful < 1275154440 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad found a PSP that he might give me. Can Pokemon games run on that? < 1275154447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wrong company < 1275154450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sony rather than Nintendo < 1275154455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Yes, emulator. < 1275154457 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it emulate? < 1275154478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275154480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PSP is shitty though < 1275154488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite heavy, and uh... rubbish controls... and rubbish everything... < 1275154490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sucks dick... < 1275154539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ (or anyone else here): I'll play you on a simulator if you like < 1275154559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll play! VirtualBoy Advance doesn't work on Linux right? < 1275154562 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would doing that involve anything illegal? < 1275154566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Yes. < 1275154577 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It works through wine IIRC < 1275154581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although ais523 probably legally scanned his ROM or something < 1275154590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I mean the ones that do the game mechanics separately < 1275154597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which avoid copyright trouble because they're a reimplementation < 1275154597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh. Lame < 1275154599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather htan the original code < 1275154600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than < 1275154603 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would doing whatever involve something that could easily make me get caught (and I count BitTorrent in that) < 1275154608 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275154612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: at least my way's legal < 1275154613 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, those exist? Should've guessed I suppose < 1275154619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ bittorrent easily get caught < 1275154621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: at least three < 1275154633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes sgeo is funny. othertimes i just want to bash my head against a brick wall < 1275154637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://birdiesoft.dk/software.php?id=2 high-tech < 1275154639 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess for more obscure things, the liklihood is low < 1275154646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the likelihood is ~0 < 1275154655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bittorrent has other nasty side effects < 1275154662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like getting your ISP to throttle you for the rest of the mont < 1275154663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*month < 1275154668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for using too much bandwidth < 1275154670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you have a shitty isp < 1275154676 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cablevision < 1275154676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any isp that does that is irrevocably evil < 1275154686 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if it does that < 1275154697 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I can't open any ports on the router < 1275154732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: My ISP is irrevocably evil. < 1275154759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's a function of "you used too much bandwidth; no bandwidth for you!" rather than "you used Bittorrent; no bandwidth for you!" < 1275154779 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275154782 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1275154806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOAR LIEK A "DYS"FUNCTION LOL < 1275154875 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bandwidth expensive or something? why do people throttle it? < 1275154892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because they don't have enough for all their customers < 1275154926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275154989 0 :melnibo_!~melnibo@85.26.164.207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275154990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: US ISPs prefer to make 0 improvements on infrastructure. < 1275155001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was good enough in '95, it's good enough now!" < 1275155050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the language code for latin? < 1275155059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :la < 1275155061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& is it correct to mark Lorem Ipsum filler in it? :-) < 1275155072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lorem ipsum isn't latin any more < 1275155075 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if it's Latin instead of pseudo-Latin < 1275155077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's not english either < 1275155083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no pseudo-la :-) < 1275155092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a latin poem, but its letter frequency distribution was changed to that of English < 1275155102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English < 1275155106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd mark "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit." as Latin < 1275155125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess if even the spelling is wrong... < 1275155169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit < 1275155185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's great filler < 1275155187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some words are actually intact... "do" is dropped from one word, and "ng" added to another < 1275155197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like < 1275155199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one you'd mark as English, that is < 1275155204 0 :melnibo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275155214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bobbington eathly worked EXCREM un;to < 1275155224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language... < 1275155277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English alise: that's great filler ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language... < 1275155287 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :167| like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English alise: that's great filler ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language... < 1275155297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, usually we put two spaces before the next message! :P (kidding) < 1275155349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, stupid parsers < 1275155637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY WON'T YOU WORK! < 1275155991 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION monadically parses alise
< 1275156001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll monad your parsec < 1275156115 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://torrentfreak.com/hurt-locker-makers-sue-5000-bittorrent-users-100529/ < 1275156153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: btw, you can hover your mouse over the delay in that IV checker to give you the corresponding time and date < 1275156164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: so basically they sued a ton of people without actually knowing shit about them < 1275156165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1275156230 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol@hurt locker < 1275156281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cupidtino is a beautiful new dating site created for fans of Apple products by fans of Apple products! Why? Diehard Mac & Apple fans often have a lot in common � personalities, creative professions, a similar sense of style and aesthetics, taste, and of course a love for technology. We believe these are enough reasons for two people to meet and fall in love, and so we created the first Mac-inspired dating site to help you find other Machearts around you. < 1275156281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cupidtino will launch in June 2010 exclusively on Apple platforms � Safari, iPhone and iPad apps. It�s time to share the love. < 1275156290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ... it actually seems to be real < 1275156295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1275156299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been in the WSJ < 1275156312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe it < 1275156325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1275156331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is it wrong for a straight guy to *want* to watch Sex & the City?" --@cupidtinoCA < 1275156379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://online.wsj.com/media/cupidtino_D_20100507111722.jpg < 1275156513 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you release something exclusively for Safari? < 1275156534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleverly < 1275156579 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Safari on Windows exists. < 1275156664 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1275156713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting something up so it works on Safari yet not, say, Chrome or Epiphany seems tricky without resorting to tricks like user-agent sniffing < 1275156809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what do you think about Apple overtaking Microsoft in market capitalization? < 1275156817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, it's not the only measure of success, but I'm pretty amazed at it < 1275156823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're joking. < 1275156834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it was all over the tech news < 1275156844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nobody likes MS much. < 1275156908 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is using their Operating System
< 1275156923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://online.barrons.com/article/SB127508624930598443.html for instance < 1275156945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also interesting is that Apple now has the second-highest market cap of any publicly-traded US company, after ExxonMobil < 1275156955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few people think it's a bubble, but it's still surprising < 1275156992 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275157037 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1275157038 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1275157042 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have just found a hot chick on facebook < 1275157046 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1275157051 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she has the same last name as i do < 1275157060 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO < 1275157073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change your name. < 1275157076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave Facebook < 1275157115 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely add people I don't know IRL to Facebook < 1275157122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even a member of Facebook < 1275157126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I hear they don't call it incest any more < 1275157127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that site is scary < 1275157166 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this is scary: http://sshkeygen.com/ < 1275157193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why scary? i just think it's pointless < 1275157211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you seen what they do with the information stored there? < 1275157219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how they put a huge amount of pressure on people not to leave < 1275157300 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I admit that I just checked alise's profile on Reddit? < 1275157336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1275157385 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mentioned Steve Pavlina < 1275157401 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's the guy who took down Dexterity Games to run some self-improvement articles < 1275157405 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1275157415 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1275157417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentioning Steve Pavlina makes Sgeo check your Reddit profile? < 1275157438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1275157448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know about steve pavlina is that his forums are shit and that he polyphased successfully. < 1275157459 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misses dexterity.com
< 1275157462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a Reddit profile, so it might be hard for him or her to do so < 1275157522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ is an it < 1275157627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :years of habit on the Internet often give me a sudden burst of revulsion when I use a gendered pronoun for anything < 1275157647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" also, how they put a huge amount of pressure on people not to leave" <<< what do you mean? < 1275157664 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just uses Spivaks
< 1275157681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not just use "they"? < 1275157704 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how best to force ais523 to use a gendered pronoun
< 1275157712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if you leave Facebook, it goes and tells all your friends you defriended them < 1275157723 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it does? < 1275157724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1275157728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's considered a really bad thing by most Facebook users < 1275157735 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People generally don't know when someone defriends someone < 1275157744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you know if someone defriends /you/ < 1275157749 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're using [say] a Greasemonkey script < 1275157751 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, really? < 1275157755 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no I don't < 1275157774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I don't know this from personal experience < 1275157776 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have NEVER gotten a notice that I was defriended < 1275157784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe nobody's ever defriended you < 1275157785 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I'm certain it's happened < 1275157791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a common thing to do on Facebook, it seems < 1275157792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You're ehird on Reddit? < 1275157799 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Greasemonkey script for it < 1275157809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275157822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be obvious anyway, when they weren't marked as a friend when you tried to view their profile info < 1275157825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoever after due and proper warning shall be heard to utter the abominable word "Frisco", which has no linguistic or other warrant, shall be deemed guilty of a High Misdemeanor, and shall pay into the Imperial Treasury as penalty the sum of twenty-five dollars." --Norton I of the United States, Protector of Mexico < 1275157826 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't recall getting a message when I was defriended. < 1275157829 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1275157836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although lately, Facebook by default shows all your info to everyone regardless of if they're friends or not...) < 1275157838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, *NORTON I, Emperor of the United States, Protector of Mexico < 1275157840 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not the same as getting a notice < 1275157865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That iw.net link is *not* the worst-designed website. < 1275157872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Please see parent comment < 1275157884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Archimedes Plutonium's website. < 1275157889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole universe is a plutonium atom, as we all know. < 1275157904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this is #esoteric, not #esoteric! < 1275157909 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archimedes Plutonium? < 1275157913 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1275157919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the parent comment's website is pretty awful. < 1275157919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Emperor Norton < 1275157926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theories like that are the wrong sort of esoteric < 1275157957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're the wrong sort of esoteric < 1275157960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bella De Soto's is still the worst) < 1275157980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gone DOWN! < 1275157985 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO! < 1275157991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks the Archive.
< 1275157993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm vaguely wondering if there are any websites which look fine and have no major problems, apart from being designed completely awfully < 1275157998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When, during the Second Italo-Abyssinian War, the League accused Benito Mussolini's soldiers of targeting Red Cross medical tents, Mussolini responded that Ethiopians were not fully human, therefore the human rights laws did not apply." < 1275158001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't link me to one if you know one) < 1275158025 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the music of the bridal site is ugly < 1275158033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: surely the Red Cross weren't necessarily Ethiopian? Even discarding the premises being wrong, the reasoning is also wrong < 1275158055 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that may have been because another tab was open < 1275158064 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, not a good site to browse with tabs < 1275158084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nort10d.jpg I'd love one of these. < 1275158145 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275158213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Frank_chu_20060423.JPG Okay sir < 1275158247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This room formed in honor of Norton the First, by the grace of God Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1275158264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His signs change from day to day, and tend to go through syntactically-similar phases, with the phrase "12 Galaxies" being his trademark and a constant presence in the signs. In June 2007, Chu broke from this tradition and started replacing this with "85 Galaxies"[14], "130 Galaxies"[15], "800 Galaxies"[16], then "1000 Galaxies"[17]. At the 2007 Castro Halloween Party, Chu's sign claimed "7,645,000 Galaxies", at MacWorld 2008 he was up to 75,850,000[18], and < 1275158265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at the Iraq War protest on March 19, 2008 he was up to 8,685,000,000[19]. < 1275158268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD WHEN WILL THE GALAXIES END < 1275158279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps make esolang with mahjong tiles, or tarot cards, or Washizu mahjong tiles < 1275158290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not a bad idea < 1275158301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahjong would work quite well < 1275158307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This room formed in honor of Norton the First, by the grace of God Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1275158314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1275158324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what did you change? < 1275158331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1275158334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing < 1275158338 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1275158340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so, so I was wondering what happened < 1275158349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be impossible to change the topic to itself... < 1275158358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This room formed in honor of Norton the First, by the grace of God Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1275158459 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know exactly how, but maybe with tenpai operator and so on, and also, perhaps the different tile can also correspond to different command too, or maybe something else < 1275158504 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washizu mahjong means some of the tiles are transparent (I actually have a mahjong set like this, although it first appeared in manga before anyone actually made them) < 1275158538 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I own three sets of mahjong tiles < 1275158548 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the gloves really necessary? < 1275158590 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Washizu mahjong the gloves are necessary, otherwise you can feel the tiles by your hand before you pick them up, and you can cheat < 1275158607 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they actually be felt? < 1275158634 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what do they call it then? ^_^ < 1275158644 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are engraved, they can be felt < 1275158740 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accurately? < 1275158755 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are good at it, yes < 1275158768 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people can < 1275158770 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all 3 of your sets japanese? < 1275158804 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only two are Japanese. One is for American mahjong. (I never play American mahjong however, but if someone wanted to play American mahjong, I could do so) < 1275158823 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh... < 1275159070 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should probably shave at some point
< 1275159095 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to play solitaire card? I have invented a few (including a cardset to go with it), but I have not typed a description of the rules yet < 1275159105 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/PySol/ < 1275159113 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should post screenshots of the cardsets and stuff < 1275159155 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biggest problem with colored nicks: When the nicks are the same color, it can be confusing. If all nicks were the same color, I'd be paying attention to each line's nick, and not have this problem < 1275159161 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought zzo38 was ais523 < 1275159170 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is 1 cardset and 6 games so far (in 2 ruleset files, each containing 3 games, which are similar with each-other in the same file) < 1275159183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I don't see how you can possibly muddle zzo38 with anyone else in existence < 1275159244 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Perhaps because of the digits at the end of "zzo38" and "ais523"? I don't know. Also, I am not cloaked (they won't give me the cloak I ask) < 1275159276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: zzo38 is a most unique individual. Hard to mistake. < 1275159300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :zzo523 < 1275159334 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1275159350 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cloak I ask is forward DNS cloak, and they don't do forward DNS cloaks here. < 1275159384 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The default when connecting is reverse DNS) < 1275159414 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1275159415 0 :zzo523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1275159422 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1275159467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to see who zzo38 is, just look for someone awesome < 1275159519 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I doubt that will work, there is too many of everything like that < 1275159529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name another awesome person in this room < 1275159546 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275159557 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise? < 1275159586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least half of us are awesome in one way or another < 1275159594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think anyone's awesome in quite the same way zzo38 is < 1275159605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except zzo38 of course < 1275159606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, to figure out who zzo38 is look for someone who's zzawesome < 1275159745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR!! PARSERS ARE BROKEN 'N SHIT < 1275159793 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to see who I am, look for the guy with Pocket Monster Philosopohical Level. I might be the only guy that has one of those! < 1275159800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pohical. < 1275159811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh wow, you should play zzo38 < 1275159812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1275159833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever noticed how slow a gear ratio of 576:1 is? < 1275159846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given reasonable input speeds for lego motors < 1275159846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever noticed how slow a gear ratio of 1,000,000:1 is? < 1275159858 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Philosopohical/Philosophical/ < 1275159863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever noticed how impractical a gear ratio of infinity:1 is? < 1275159864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well that is a lot harder to achieve in lego. < 1275159878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm, yeah hard to calculate on < 1275159878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi:1 is just irrational HAW HAW HAW HAWH AWH IUAWHE IUAWHIUSFODJGKLSHGVKRLEGJH KLSE OIFOISDGH KSHJDSFL;KJKG < 1275159880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never noticed it before < 1275159916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is just that it is easy to connect two 24:1 together, which gives you 576:1 < 1275159941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slab serifs are lovely <3 < 1275159961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I oughtta use Museo Slab for a reason < 1275159964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1275159965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I oughtta use Museo Slab for something < 1275159981 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to talk about typography again, I'm afraid I'll have to leave. < 1275160082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then leave. People like you are why much modern text burns to look at. < 1275160085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURNS. < 1275160107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My handwriting burns. < 1275160114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, idiots like you are the reason some people are still using non-monospace fonts < 1275160126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer typography is all fine compared to that. < 1275160149 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1275160151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: CJK languages work best with monospace. < 1275160156 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to watch some SG-1 < 1275160160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CJK? < 1275160161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nay, *should not ever be anything but monospace*. < 1275160200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vague grouping of Asian countries, including China, Japan, and Korea. < 1275160221 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275160289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been using monospace scripts forever. < 1275160328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what did I do? < 1275160359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You RAPED my EYES < 1275160369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am utterly indifferent to all matters typographical. < 1275160384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Utterly indifferent? < 1275160393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you see nothing wrong with using nothing but MS Comic Sans? < 1275160401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, not utterly. < 1275160472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see why non-monospace fonts are idiocy. < 1275160510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is accusing typography nuts of keeping non-monospace fonts around. < 1275160535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, why? < 1275160539 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to watch the SG-1 pilot
< 1275160578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's be honest: most monospace fonts look... Odd. < 1275160587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1275160647 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@ppp-94-64-173-249.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275160656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just accept oklopol is crazy < 1275160657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what i did < 1275160660 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using monospace for IRC < 1275160708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people do. < 1275160728 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1275160731 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am reading Wikipedia in a non-monospace font. < 1275160743 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, monospace fonts are good for some things. < 1275160753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine, if you will, non-monospace Befunge. < 1275160791 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can invent such a thing as non-monospace Befunge. However you should have to use always a specific spacing otherwise it won't work < 1275160810 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dispace Befunge. Every character has one of two widths. < 1275160834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use monospace everywhere i can, but i don't know how to convert pdf's to it < 1275160841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe alise can help me with that < 1275160852 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you use monospace for Wikipedia? < 1275160865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it's easier to read < 1275160866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pdftotext < 1275160879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-monospaced text is a pain to read < 1275160881 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1275160892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... No, it's not? < 1275160903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, yes it is < 1275160905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe alise can help me with that < 1275160905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse < 1275160910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oklopol does not have normal human anatomy < 1275160911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1275160911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accept this < 1275160913 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pain to read if you're oklopol, it's not a pain to read if you're pikhq. < 1275160916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're fucking kidding me. < 1275160929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq just accept it < 1275160940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i also like allcaps < 1275160948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO DO I. < 1275160954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL: ANYWAY YES PDFTOTEXT. ALSO, MAY I SAY, < 1275160956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: YOU DO NOT HAVE A NORMAL VISUAL CORTEX < 1275160956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you used small allcaps, that would be better than non-allcaps < 1275160964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IF YOU ARE EVER IN POSSESSION OF A MICROSOFT WORD DOCUMENT, AND DESIRE TO READ IT IN MONOSPACED TEXT, < 1275160968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE "NOWORD" < 1275160975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR WHATEVER IT IS CALLED < 1275160978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WILL PLEASE YOU MOST GREATLY. < 1275161020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never use word documents but good to know < 1275161058 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL: WHAT ON EARTH? < 1275161090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1275161160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS WRONG WITH NON-MONOSPACE? < 1275161192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i's are too narrow < 1275161205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> < 1275161215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THAT IS ... IN ALL CAPS.) < 1275161223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most letters are okay, but when i see an i, i throw up < 1275161232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::: on my kb < 1275161245 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now added in screen-shots of the solitaire games http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/PySol/ < 1275161333 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ALL-CAPS works better in mono-space than non-mono-space in my opinion < 1275161349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes X works better in mono-space < 1275161376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your Deadfish Forth interpreter is not bug-for-bug compatible < 1275161415 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You may be right. I haven't tried to make it bug-for-bug compatible, however. (But fix it if you want to) < 1275161423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean+ < 1275161424 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is wiki, so of course someone can fix it!) < 1275161424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275161487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the original deadfish (in C) was weird, and many of the interpreters try to preserve the strange behavior < 1275161517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know forth, alas < 1275161538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i note there is no broken wrapping on 256 :D < 1275161547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or any wrapping for that matter) < 1275161564 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all the interpreters on that page preserve the strange behavior, but some might do so < 1275161575 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You are right about no wrapping, however. < 1275161581 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is not difficult to fix < 1275161590 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can fix it if you wanted it fixed, I suppose < 1275161607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice < 1275161679 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one program I write which does try to preserve the old strange behavior, called CZZT. It tries to preserve the old strange behavior of ZZT by trying to implement it in the similar way to how I imagine Tim Sweeney to have originally implemented it. (The original source-code for ZZT was written in Pascal, and has been lost. My copy is in C, although I try to implement Pascal-style strings and such) < 1275161727 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275161775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament! < 1275161873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, now I have implemented the broken wrapping. Is OK now? < 1275161954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1275161956 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275162013 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275162026 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it doesn't output a newline after each number either, but maybe it is supposed to do that too < 1275162087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i consider exact I/O compatibility more optional < 1275162124 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am considering the same < 1275162129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although i've tried to do it in the ones i made) < 1275162184 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones did you make? < 1275162233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell, perl, unlambda < 1275162356 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1275162474 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This particular Forth code is for Gforth. (Other Forth systems might not support the 'i' 'd' constants, although they could be added in, the thing in Forth is that you can add in stuff like that!) < 1275162566 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-197-238.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1275162568 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, some Forth systems are more minimal and there might be other things in this program it also doesn't support. However, any ANS-compliant Forth system should run it (possibly apart from the ' ' constants), since everything else in this program is ANS-compliant. < 1275162587 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1275162589 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some non-ANS-compliant Forth systems might also run it) < 1275162608 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my neighbor has introduced me to his friend's teen daughter < 1275162612 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet 16! < 1275162628 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay! No cheating! Put the gloves like everyone else has to! < 1275162689 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm definitely not wearing a glove with her < 1275162701 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to feel every luscious square milimeter inside her < 1275162714 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean the glove for mahjong < 1275162720 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275162737 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i definitely wouldn't play mahjongg with her < 1275162753 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then. < 1275162776 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this esoteric < 1275162799 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1275162802 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about encryption instead < 1275162842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i think it's too late for you to start using encryption at this point < 1275162843 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the longest password hash string you encounter when using the common algorithms? < 1275162854 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, explain < 1275162870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it depends how old you are < 1275162875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where < 1275162883 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 is legal < 1275162911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah germany < 1275162914 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEXARC is a encryption algorithm that is like ARCFOUR however it run forward and backward simultaneously, uses initialization vectors, uses garbage data and propagation, and uses multiple passes (the number of passes is part of the password), and uses a 1000-bit key < 1275162932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has this tendency to assume us by default
< 1275162934 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if her mom is an eastern european migrant who introduces me and then 10 minutes later remarks 'oh, then he's probably rich too!' < 1275162947 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once that is said, she might as well be 12 < 1275162955 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1275162957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=O < 1275162997 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, it uses a log2(256!) bit key) < 1275163057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pics? < 1275163062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the encryption algo < 1275163096 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pics < 1275163101 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictures of encryption algorithms? < 1275163106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275163107 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :picard is dancing mambo < 1275163113 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you have pictures of that? < 1275163120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well umm < 1275163130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen diagrams of sorts < 1275163134 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he means 16-bit encryption algorithms < 1275163149 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, look up the SELECT operator on wikipedia < 1275163154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well that old one with twining papers around sticks seems pretty picturable < 1275163157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is back on the Brainfuck compilation thing
< 1275163178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time, in Haskell, because optimising a parse tree is a bitch in C. < 1275163191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just some pattern matching in Haskell. < 1275163196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: can you take pictures < 1275163197 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The ones with a physical process could have a photograph of the physical apparatus used to execute the encryption algorithm < 1275163213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, enigma etc. < 1275163226 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, who knows < 1275163280 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a webcam on my computer, but if I did, I could use it to read QR codes. (I would also leave it unconnected while I am not using it, for at least two reasons) < 1275163286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: beat esotope < 1275163317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esotope beat < 1275163329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Eventually, perhaps. < 1275163334 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything in Linux you might be able to capture webcam pictures using a command such as: convert /dev/webcam out.jpg < 1275163338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION leaves that to Gregor
< 1275163347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where "convert" is the ImageMagick convert command) < 1275163347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to target assembly. < 1275163369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because C compilers handle Brainfuck-compiled-to-C *poorly*. < 1275163384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "load the pointer into a register for every instruction" poorly. < 1275163399 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1275163489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: target your own machine language < 1275163492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then compile that to asm < 1275163597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pikhq: how do you swap left and right audio channels in linux < 1275163609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn your computer upside-down < 1275163614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(real answer: I don't know) < 1275163661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know of anything like that, but it seems unlikely < 1275163669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would maybe have to write a kernel module specifically for that < 1275163703 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, do you like this feature, if it were implemented? < 1275163710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it's a clever idea < 1275163723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how you use a webcam at all under Linux... < 1275163724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you would like plan 9 < 1275163727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1275163728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gui apps < 1275163745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to have my speakers wrong way around < 1275163747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to cord length :D < 1275163749 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another feature I would like to use is something that allows you to copy to clipboard using a command such as: ls > /proc/X/9p/CLIPBOARD < 1275163752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i need to swap the two channels < 1275163765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: is it physically possible to swap the wire connections? < 1275163772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you need a software solution? < 1275163779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only if i crack open the speakers < 1275163784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there is a software solution < 1275163784 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is always possible to swap the wire if you can cut the wires and stuff like that, at least. < 1275163786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just not sure what it is < 1275163789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, what's wrong with mirror-reflected sound? are you playing Pokémon or something?) < 1275163799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I tell ALSA to swap the left and right stereo channels on my soundcard? < 1275163799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add this to your ~/.asoundrc file: < 1275163799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pcm.swapped { < 1275163799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : type route < 1275163799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : slave.pcm "cards.pcm.default" < 1275163799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ttable.0.1 1 < 1275163801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ttable.1.0 1 < 1275163803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1275163807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do alsa settings still work for pulseaudio systems? < 1275163809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: music < 1275163814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why do you need correct sound for pokemon? < 1275163823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: because sounds come from the left if they're to do with your team < 1275163828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or from the right to do with the opponent's < 1275163830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1275163831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1275163834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very weird if you put your headphones on backwards < 1275163836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1275163842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always just use the little speaker < 1275163845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i never knew < 1275163852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to set the options for stereo sound, but that might be the default for all I know < 1275163873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which generation of pokemon game did you mean? < 1275163876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ESOTERIC < 1275163876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS < 1275163878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAD; < 1275163878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NETCRAFT < 1275163879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: all since second < 1275163879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFIRMS < 1275163879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT < 1275163885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly first too < 1275163887 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1275163892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, we need The #esoteric Times < 1275163898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, I've got the infrastructure for this set up, and for testing purposes, it just outputs Brainfuck after optimisations. < 1275163910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimising BF into BF? < 1275163911 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's up oklopol < 1275163918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or into BF-plus-extra-instructions? < 1275163923 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written optimize BF into BF in JavaScript. < 1275163945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just BF. It's more a test to make sure my parser is correct than anything else. < 1275163952 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders upon tits
< 1275163952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone think of an obvious use for a BF pessimizer? < 1275163960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell does google not search for non-alphanumerics?? < 1275163965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't, but if anyone can, it's us < 1275163975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it is quite nice for dealing with poorly auto-generated code. < 1275163979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as LostKng) < 1275163981 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because they strip it before indexing < 1275164007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1275164019 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people might write code the "most pessimum" in order to make the speed correctly < 1275164045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I reverse my left and right speaker channels? � < 1275164046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the same as "reverse stereo", where the left and right channels are to be swapped. < 1275164046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /proc/asound/cards and use the name string for the device you wish to use (the one in square brackets) < 1275164046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edit /etc/pulse/default.pa and comment out module-hal-detect and module-detect lines. < 1275164047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search for the commented-out line that starts "#load-module module-alsa-sink", uncomment it and change it to < 1275164050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:[answer from step 0] channel_map=right,left < 1275164052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restart the pulseaudio deamon by running pulseaudio -k; pulseaudio -D < 1275164054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how obvious < 1275164078 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which probably shouldn't be done on modern computers however, except possibly if you are programming a GameBoy program or something like that, in which the CPU speed will always be the same way anyways < 1275164123 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1275164127 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your nick was 'ehird' before? < 1275164144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1275164145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1275164150 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275164152 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, damn. < 1275164153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: don't say that, he's probably trying to stalk me. < 1275164155 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i remember you now < 1275164157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1275164160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275164163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: lol, hi. < 1275164168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you hate me or something < 1275164170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc. < 1275164234 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275164236 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275164241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275164242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/bgPQ < 1275164242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you did < 1275164246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for a code generator! < 1275164249 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were totally my sweet, sweet bottom < 1275164364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1275164375 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, those taste very good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_melon < 1275164508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: too many newlines. < 1275164516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shitty if/else indentation; use | guards instead < 1275164563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to nuke pulseaudio so that my ubuntu box uses alsa. i am sick of this shit fo shur < 1275164620 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do pretty (Add x:xs) = case compare x 0 of EQ -> ... LT -> ... GT -> ... < 1275164632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefer < 1275164636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Code generator's going to be annoying. < 1275164638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty (Add x:xs) | x < 0 = ... < 1275164644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| x == 0 = ... < 1275164646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| x > 0 = ... < 1275164655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1275164658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty (Add x:xs) < 1275164661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | x < 0 = ... < 1275164664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | x == 0 = ... < 1275164667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | x > 0 = ... < 1275164678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might work best with State. < 1275164689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If x is a floating-point number all of those could be false ;-P < 1275164691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I tell you: have your own intermediate language < 1275164695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It isn't < 1275164709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Still need it for label generation. < 1275164710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i got my channels swapped < 1275164733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, but you can do the important parts of machine code in some more functional part < 1275164739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then spit out asm and generate labels at the last stage < 1275164772 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I'd do pretty (Add x:xs) = replicate x (if x < 0 then '-' else '+') : pretty xs < 1275164779 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/: p/++ p/ < 1275164785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Changing. < 1275164921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Transmission is a file sharing program. When you run a torrent, its data will be made available to others by means of upload. And of course, any content you share is your sole responsibility. < 1275164921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably knew this, so we won't tell you again." < 1275164984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: what's up is i'm reading stuff < 1275164990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or trying to < 1275165100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, torrent client < 1275165103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do better than that <3 < 1275165511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found via Reddit: http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=p&chd=t:85,15&chs=350x250&chdl=Resembles+Pacman|Does+not+resemble+Pacman&chp=.5&chco=ffff00,993365&chtt=Percentage+of+chart+which|resembles+Pacman < 1275165537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a Usenet provider... < 1275165542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oooold < 1275165550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking... really, really old < 1275165552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: really? < 1275165556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275165560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like at least 4 years maybe? < 1275165563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it was an independent recreation of something old < 1275165566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275165577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing there implied it hadn't just been made up a few seconds ago < 1275165582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still amusing, anyway < 1275165583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.moronail.net/img/1/2/12.jpg < 1275165584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newfunnypictures.net/data/media/4/Percentage%20of%20chart%20which%20resembles%20Pac-man.jpg < 1275165591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/2310739468_397d808a35.jpg?v=0 < 1275165596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sixtostart.com/files/xmas08/ARGs%20Christmas.032.png < 1275165598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use that in a presentation someday < 1275165604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=p&chd=t:85,15&chs=350x250&chdl=Does+not+resemble+Pacman|Resembles+Pacman&chp=.5&chco=ffff00,993365&chtt=Percentage+of+chart+which|resembles+Pacman < 1275165608 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better < 1275165613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another popular one is < 1275165618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.seomfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/pie-i-have-eaten-chart.jpg < 1275165622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie i have eaten vs pie i have not yet eaten < 1275165678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also amusing in the discussion was an argument that someone hadn't misquoted Dijkstra properly < 1275165764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Quod Libet
< 1275165791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leonard nemoy has a twitter account. < 1275165793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1275165808 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ pie chart < 1275165984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pgraycode.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/raptors/ < 1275166053 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK YOU MEAN LEONARD NIMOY ALISE < 1275166069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. < 1275166069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1275166076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here comes the FURY < 1275166089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have dyslexia! < 1275166093 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a variant of that "percentage of chart which resembles Pac-man" < 1275166105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been told that I have dylexia. < 1275166113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dylexia/dyslexia/ < 1275166126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This just goes to show that psychology in general is stupid < 1275166231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1275166297 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275166319 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The typo rather detracts from the statement, though) < 1275166327 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has written two autobiographies, I Am Not Spock (1975) and I Am Spock (1995). < 1275166363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and here i was hoping the typo was accurate < 1275166373 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the typo just proves your shrink's point. < 1275166386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't < 1275166408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does. < 1275166415 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typos are due to my fingers not hitting the key hard enough. < 1275166418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, punctuation is a good thing. Use it. < 1275166422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better; 232 KiB/s. < 1275166440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I try to. < 1275166451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else here watching Eurovision? < 1275166453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont need no stinking punctuation asshole < 1275166472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjans excepted. < 1275166477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yum; >300KiB/s. < 1275166480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275166481 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :72| ignore me, i'm full of bullshit < 1275166487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*>300 KiB/s. < 1275166490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1275166491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275166493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275166494 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4| i read paths as penis :( < 1275166495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275166497 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :86| Evolution is awful, awful, awful < 1275166499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275166500 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128| I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1275166501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275166503 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :141| think of all the starving kids in china who don't have rotting sea life to eat < 1275166514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275166516 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :55| kaelis: yes kaelis, but however will get the horses to wear knickers? < 1275166521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have it on in the background. < 1275166522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275166524 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :125|Note that quote number 124 is not actually true. < 1275166530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you stream eurovision online live? :P < 1275166532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 124 < 1275166533 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :124| I cannot eat meat that isn't flat. < 1275166536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1275166538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275166539 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42| after all, what are DVD players for? < 1275166545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only TV channel I stream regularly is ITV < 1275166546 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 123 < 1275166548 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123|[Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( < 1275166553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's broken on the actual TV here < 1275166554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because you're too principled to tune in to it? < 1275166567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend not to watch ITV at all because it's shit < 1275166573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: mostly, I agree < 1275166578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has like 1 good programme. < 1275166584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I tend to like the sort of vapid and pointless quiz shows that they put on sometimes < 1275166585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: go on... < 1275166594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: channel 4 tends to have enough quiz shows < 1275166598 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Burp is funny... < 1275166604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so do 1, and 2 < 1275166609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I will admit to occasionally watching TV Burp... < 1275166610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 used to, but it stopped years ago < 1275166618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Five is pretty awful < 1275166624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 5,000 rubbish american shows < 1275166635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm annoyed at Channel 5, it was my favourite channel when it first came out < 1275166641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but went more and more downhill as time went on < 1275166641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Five now :P < 1275166646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1275166650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I refuse to acknowledge it < 1275166665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC One is officially called "BBC one" now, isn't it? < 1275166667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something of that sort < 1275166672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Try US TV. < 1275166672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of something to shout "FIGHT" about, but I can't. < 1275166677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's stupid < 1275166678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5,000 channels of rubbish American shows. < 1275166680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, thank you! < 1275166685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, no, it's changed from BBC1 to BBC One < 1275166687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 1997 < 1275166690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I could pick up many of the larger US TV channels from Canada < 1275166696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're on proggit < 1275166697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but concluded I didn't have enough of a reason to < 1275166703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I noticed, comex told me < 1275166703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "try" I mean "look at and then DESTROY your TV" < 1275166705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I like US TV, and I like Five. But which is better? < 1275166710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like BBC Two a lot. < 1275166714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one way to find out: < 1275166718 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIGHT! < 1275166720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You... *Like* this shit? < 1275166722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC Two + Channel 4 = pretty much all TV worth watching < 1275166725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He's joking. < 1275166727 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CBC's okay, and that's about i < 1275166729 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1275166738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU FORGOT PBS LOL < 1275166742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Running joke on TV Burp < 1275166745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :534 KiB/s on a torrent < 1275166748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I was watching CBC News when I got bored of BBC World Service < 1275166751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :800 KiB/s < 1275166753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which Harry hill compares two things. < 1275166753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm convinced that most of US television is designed in order to enact war against the rest of the world. < 1275166757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am feeling happy in my special place now < 1275166761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BBC World News, they renamed it < 1275166763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They then have people in costumes fight. < 1275166771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it not carry non-news programs any more? < 1275166773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tend to be ridiculous. < 1275166782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: notice the top reddit comment :D < 1275166784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a baby and a king prawn. < 1275166789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it carries some programs which only tenuously fit into the definition of "news" < 1275166813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the one about Wolfram? < 1275166817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so basically you can only legally watch BBC television programs abroad by purchasing DVD sets? < 1275166822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use iPlayer, they don't broadcast it... < 1275166827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell if that's a parody or an accurate quote < 1275166833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1275166837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Or BBCA. < 1275166838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, someone reposted that again < 1275166843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1275166845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: not a repost, it's a first post < 1275166845 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBCA does not count < 1275166849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm impressed that an undergrad did the proof. That's very impressive." < 1275166853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol < 1275166858 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1275166859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a corporation which has simply gotten a license to the BBC name and BBC shows. < 1275166859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Euclid didn't even get a high-school diploma" umm... < 1275166862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit missed it somehow < 1275166866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time round < 1275166871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the TLDR < 1275166877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep, I agree < 1275166879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't BBCA count? < 1275166907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's just another normal US TV channel, which *happens* to have a license to BBC shows. < 1275166909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sorry how Wolfram has tarnished your name < 1275166918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he has, really < 1275166921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone upon seeing alex smith in the future will go "oh, he's the guy who proved wolfram's kooky thing" < 1275166926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... "A New Kind of Pseudoscience, now with more megalomania. Your taste buds cannot repel flavor of this magnitude." < 1275166929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a huge amount of vitriol for him and feeling sorry for me, on most of the fora about it < 1275166932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I love how even in praising the undegrad student's work, Wolfram takes credit for himself, even though he had little if anything to do with it:" ++ < 1275166943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: didn't the $20k just go to living expenses? < 1275166961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: for about 3 years, it's served me well < 1275166966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*$25k < 1275166973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't seem to be living rather richly :P < 1275166982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly want to live richly < 1275166982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, good point < 1275167019 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the Wolfram thing? < 1275167023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/c99c3/the_prize_is_won_the_simplest_universal_turing/ < 1275167027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays I have a salary, but it's too low to trip any of the tax or loan repayment thresholds yet < 1275167038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet simultaneously it's more money than I can easily imagine < 1275167038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The problem with this proof is that it's incorrect. There was a long discussion regarding the correctness of the proof at http://cs.nyu.edu/pipermail/fom/2007-October/012156.html; Dr. Vaughn Pratt has stated that generating the Turing instructions as described is analogous to a linearly bound automaton." < 1275167046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, oh, please give me some text to rebut him with! < 1275167048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Euclid didn't even get a high-school diploma" < 1275167065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes xD < 1275167092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the high-rated comment? < 1275167105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there was an initial high-profile complaint by him that was based on incorrect assumptions, which he later retracted; then an argument about something tangential that I lost badly; then some valid concerns about the definitions of the thing in the first place, an argument that never finished because the moderator went on holiday. There's a proof there, but nobody seems entirely certain what it is that I proved < 1275167110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/c99c3/the_prize_is_won_the_simplest_universal_turing/c0r088g < 1275167123 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, indeed. < 1275167125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shall I say that you said that or sth? < 1275167140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1275167142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like, I don't know if people will believe you... < 1275167158 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275167322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 110 is TC, right? < 1275167365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: heh, that runs into some of the same definitional problems my proof does < 1275167373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so to speak. it has some similar issues to ais523's TM, but not as strong iiuc < 1275167375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a definition in which the 2,3 machine is TC, rule 110 is also TC < 1275167385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: agreed < 1275167386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's TM? < 1275167394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Wolfram's TM < 1275167401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rule 110's setup is periodic in each direction iirc) < 1275167404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing he did was discover it, and advertise beyond the limits of sanity < 1275167405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that was you? < 1275167407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least he did discover it < 1275167412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1275167422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was funny seeing #esoteric disappointed that someone had solved it and it wasn't one of them < 1275167427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they took a bit of convincing to start with < 1275167441 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this cardset? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/PySol/screen/spider-tarot-cardset.png < 1275167453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to thank the channel for introducing the problem to me in the first place, it was in the topic < 1275167464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed someone later proved that Rule 110 is P-complete, which means it definitely has _some_ computational content < 1275167498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's for predicting n generations ahead, not infinite computation) < 1275167508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P-complete's something like 6 or 7 computational classes lower than TC, isn't it? < 1275167518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming you mean P as in P=NP, rather than PSPACE) < 1275167519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a complexity class < 1275167523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1275167531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the same P < 1275167535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, all the complexity classes are lower than all the mainstream computational classes < 1275167539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on the same large scale < 1275167566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of a general FSM, being the lowest useful computational class, as the highest complexity class < 1275167579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, is it possible for the Reimann Hypothesis to be undecidable? < 1275167587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275167590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not provably < 1275167599 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. < 1275167599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was provably undecidable, then you've proved it can't be shown true or false < 1275167612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you prove it can't be shown false, then you've proved there are no counterexamples, as a counterexample would prove it false < 1275167621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus in such a case it must be true, which is a contradiction < 1275167627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1275167653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw you looked at tag stuff didn't you? iiuc the essential part of the P-complete proof was to show you could simulate turing machines in tag systems more efficiently than using unary (i think it was quadratic size) < 1275167654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it can be unprovably undecidable < 1275167673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not really, I used the pre-existing result that cyclic tag was TC, but that was about it < 1275167686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove that its undecidability is undecidable? < 1275167699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well then it might apply to that TM too, perhaps < 1275167702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm trying to figure out what undecidable undecidability would even mean < 1275167736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same as undecidability of anything. < 1275167760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :undecidable < 1275167766 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, actually. < 1275167767 0 :undecidable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, need this in my tab-complete to make typing easier... < 1275167787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it runs into the same problems as undecidability. < 1275167788 0 :undecidable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undecidable: either an assumption that something's true, or that it's false, leads to no contradiction < 1275167793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for the RH. < 1275167824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since a counterexample would prove its undecidability to also be decidable. < 1275167837 0 :undecidable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it's undecidable that something's undecidable, then assuming that something's true or false leads to no contradiction; and assuming that it can't be safely assumed both true and false also leads to no contradiction < 1275167842 0 :undecidable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as far as I can tell, that's a contradiction < 1275167842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's unprovable all the way doen. < 1275167844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undecidable: FSM is regular languages isn't it? that's one of the _lowest_ useful complexity classes, not the highest < 1275167859 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flying Spaghetti Monster? < 1275167865 0 :undecidable!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1275167872 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275167882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I was thinking in terms of an FSM which scaled to the problem < 1275167895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads to definitional problems along the lines of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Formula < 1275167902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, for that matter, confusion with an LBA < 1275167987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound very well-defined, no < 1275168000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: finite state machine, i thought < 1275168007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that sort of thing all the time... < 1275168036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is P complete means X is in P and any problem in P can be reduced to X with reduction what? < 1275168050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: logspace-reduction, mostly < 1275168076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference between a FSM and a FSA? < 1275168085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i've recently heard there's an even weaker reduction they sometimes use < 1275168092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is that "an"?, after all it is pronounced as the letters...) < 1275168093 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One's an M and the other's an A < 1275168097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well duh < 1275168102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what I mean < 1275168105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(logtime something, i'm not sure what it is) < 1275168119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite state automaton and finite state machine < 1275168123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they the same thing? < 1275168129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/heard/read/ < 1275168140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's obvious that the lowest computational class is something like a bric. < 1275168151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/c\./ckz./ < 1275168165 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I made a typo in that too. < 1275168184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe you can give an useful answer there, you tend to be able < 1275168184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/z// < 1275168198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IIRC they're the same < 1275168203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or same enough that it makes no difference < 1275168237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1275168238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSM is regulars yes < 1275168251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: logspace is my favorite complexity class, i think, despite being rather low < 1275168271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all of our computers are basically glorified regex parsers? < 1275168284 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You realize that this is the kind of thing that can be solved by looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSM and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSA < 1275168298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just recently found the proof you can do most arithmetic in it (although the proof was strengthened even further to some even weaker class) < 1275168329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that would require opening a browser < 1275168332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's surprisingly subtle how to do division < 1275168335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already had irc client open < 1275168361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically asking on irc is thus better. Plus it gives some fun answers along the way < 1275168362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: clearly you could write a regex containing every possible internal state of the computer as alternatives < 1275168365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to you Deewiant ;P < 1275168371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that would be particularly sensible < 1275168378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition sounds easy < 1275168379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider opening a browser less trouble than asking on IRC < 1275168387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: for me it's the other way round < 1275168392 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :-P < 1275168397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to agree with ais523 here < 1275168397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes that's the easiest one. multiplying _two_ numbers is also easy. < 1275168398 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's logspace < 1275168402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel disappointed when I have to get the Web involved, especially a site I've never visited < 1275168412 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're browser-challenged, I'll spoil it for you: FSM = FSA < 1275168416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you get an amount of memory to do your calculation proportional to the logarithm of the size of the input < 1275168421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: O(log n) workspace use < 1275168423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw can you tell us about that esolang thing at uni you ran across < 1275168429 0 :uoryfon!~warriphon@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275168430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you didn't want to ask about some days ago < 1275168430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka L < 1275168432 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1275168432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1275168439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or is it still secret? < 1275168448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has bothered me for a long time that I don't understand O notation. < 1275168453 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is ais523's definition equivalent? < 1275168471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you still don't you mean? < 1275168475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: multiplying _n_ numbers was a key ingredient in the proof i found < 1275168476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, in Sutherland's event logic, there are six basic circuits, plus wires and forking wires, that describe a mathematically useful subset of asynchronous circuits < 1275168487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes. < 1275168487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in recent research, we found that three of them were not necessary < 1275168519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah interesting. Not necessary in the same sense as "you can do with only nand, but it is quite a pain to do that"? < 1275168528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pretty much < 1275168531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275168531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes < 1275168534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, carry on < 1275168538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're trying to work out if one of the remaining five circuits, which seems rather complex, is expressible in terms of the other four < 1275168541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've proved it's impossible < 1275168557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1275168583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can it be expressed in terms of one of the ones you proved not required? to get another "minimal" subset? < 1275168592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(g(n)) is the set of function f for which there are n_0 >= 0 and a > 0 such that f(n) <= a * g(n) when n >= n_0, so f(n) is in O(g(n)) means that from some point on (n_0) f(n) is smaller than some multiple of g(n) (which has to be the same for all n) < 1275168595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but they're even more complicated < 1275168597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1275168602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah okay < 1275168614 0 :uoryfon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1275168644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: posted what you said < 1275168668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and how does this tie into esolangs? < 1275168688 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1275168710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and "Sutherland event logic" seems to not give many useful google results for me < 1275168711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: does that make any sense? i tried to use letters with no well-known meanings. < 1275168712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if it was provably undecidable, then you've proved it can't be shown true or false < 1275168717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what undecidable means < 1275168718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the grammar < 1275168726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undecidable = no algorithm can decide < 1275168731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :independent = cannot be proved true or false from axioms < 1275168732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1275168768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the former implies the latter though. < 1275168773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ais523 what about RE < 1275168784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that lower than a turing machin? < 1275168786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re-complete < 1275168794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains the halting problem < 1275168795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1275168809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R = TM < 1275168810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, afaik RE is less capable than an UTC < 1275168814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTM* < 1275168818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo < 1275168819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R = RE intersect co-RE < 1275168822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1275168825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is a UTM < 1275168837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RE and co-RE are strictly bigger < 1275168843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RE Being? < 1275168848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RE is the set of languages that are accepted by turing machines; this includes the language of turing machines that halt < 1275168850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sutherland event logic is rather esolangish in its own right < 1275168853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursively enumerable < 1275168858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to wonder that too. Thought RE was the regular languages < 1275168869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true TMs will "run" RE < 1275168871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay so what do you abbrev regular languages to? < 1275168873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but R is all the problems they can SOLVE < 1275168876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "regular" < 1275168884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, seen RE used for it, pretty sure < 1275168891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it < 1275168906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not have been a mathematician of course < 1275168906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In computational complexity theory, R is the class of decision problems solvable by a Turing machine, which is the set of all recursive languages. R is often identified with the class of 'effectively computable' functions (the Church-Turing thesis). < 1275168909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't ^ < 1275168918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof by wikipedia < 1275168934 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the margin is too narrow to contain my refutation of your proof < 1275168945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is the set of languages that are accepted by turing machines that always halt < 1275168952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have a truly marvellous proof of this, but I'm sure you can all work it out." < 1275168961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well yeah i'm talking in terms of decision problems < 1275168966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't halt you haven't solved a decision problem < 1275168968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1275168985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i doubt AnMaster has seen RE used for regulars < 1275168995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Church-Turing thesis is ridiculous, I've seen about 20 different definitions of it, ranging from obviously true to clearly a matter of philosophy to right outside the scope of mathematics < 1275168998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't doubt " but R is all the problems they can SOLVE" < 1275169002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275169009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's as true as it can be < 1275169071 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275169083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my definition of the church-turing thesis: Imagine a universe with the same physics as our own, but infinitely large. Imagine that this universe contains machines with actual physical infinite tapes. The Church-Turing thesis states that any computation done in this universe can be done by a universal Turing machine. < 1275169097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that's a bit vague < 1275169157 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275169172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the original definition of it? < 1275169183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1275169192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it might be worth checking that < 1275169209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just "real-world computation can be done with the lambda-calculus" < 1275169215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hopelessly vague < 1275169219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1275169220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what a rubbish .nfo < 1275169229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't contain any text at all apart from the filled-in fields < 1275169231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nfo? < 1275169248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that something used by MS system info thingy? < 1275169249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what the scene uses to give information about a release and diss other groups and shit < 1275169251 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275169254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talk about how great they are for doing it < 1275169283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On Microsoft Windows, the NFO filename extension is associated with a Microsoft software tool called System Information." < 1275169287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says wikipedia < 1275169290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275169303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, sceners came first < 1275169305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just text files < 1275169307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1275169337 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scene? Somehow, I don't think you're talking about the demoscene < 1275169346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The demoscene is an offshoot of the scene. < 1275169356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Cracked software always included a masturbatory demo at the start.) < 1275169360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-nfo.png <-- wikipedia is really self centered eh? < 1275169366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then they got so extravagant that they didn't need software accompanying them.) < 1275169371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the example of an nfo file < 1275169374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if some physical constants happened to be uncomputable by a turing machine, but we could approximate them arbitrarily far with some sort of physical measurements, would you consider the church-turing to be wrong? < 1275169377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the article about nfo files < 1275169378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proven wrong < 1275169379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah wikipedia never talk about anything else in their examples < 1275169389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well... abstract computation < 1275169389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right < 1275169397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. computation that only uses some finitely specifiable input < 1275169402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... anything that just takes a natural basically < 1275169411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i'm not finding a counterexample to yours, i'm asking a question < 1275169414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if it's quantum... < 1275169420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then no, because it takes non-natural input < 1275169421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then < 1275169424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about quantum computers < 1275169427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they take non-natural input? < 1275169439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes non-natural input? < 1275169464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically we have a physical machine that outputs a number no turing machine can < 1275169465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural number < 1275169471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what exactly is abstract computation then < 1275169473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finitely-specifiable input = finite list of naturals = natural < 1275169474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that well defined? < 1275169480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah. < 1275169484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're not allowed IO devices like that < 1275169500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural in, natural out, nothing inbetween < 1275169506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I can imagine you could measure some constants using the system clock and measuring delay in yourself < 1275169507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm defining it as we go right now! < 1275169512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no system clock < 1275169515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract, remember < 1275169525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes define abstract < 1275169531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the guy whose book i was reading (just first chapter had philosophy :P) thought this would *not* be a counterexample, and i'd agree < 1275169536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: agreed < 1275169546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... alternatively, here's a very precise, very strong version of the CT thesis: < 1275169561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super-Turing computation is impossible in every consistent universe. < 1275169574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., Super-Turing computation is inherently inconsistent. < 1275169581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if it has no clock and is async you can use it to measure delay due to temperature differences in different parts of the circuit if built the right way I think < 1275169623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you could measure them in terms of other ones < 1275169629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it as a crude clock < 1275169637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of unknown period) < 1275169645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: btw, how mad am I for changing my own nick just so I could use it to tab-complete a word? < 1275169659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where? < 1275169661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on here? < 1275169665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1275169667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick undecidable < 1275169669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, when? < 1275169669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier < 1275169675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea < 1275169706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, < 1275169713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, damn enter key. < 1275169716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1275169717 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275169721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, if it has no clock and is async you can use it to measure delay due to temperature differences in different parts of the circuit if built the right way I think < 1275169727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you appear to misunderstand the word "abstract" < 1275169751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Super-Turing computation is impossible in every consistent universe. < 1275169751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> i.e., Super-Turing computation is inherently inconsistent. < 1275169753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it has no clock and /isn't/ async? < 1275169754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think I believe this < 1275169785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1275169796 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is SuperTuring computation. < 1275169808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I want that made into a comiv. < 1275169856 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there CTRL+H characters around the "<" "alise" ">" < 1275169889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Mistake. < 1275169892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat copied the colours. < 1275169898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Computation stronger than a UTM. < 1275169903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you appear to misunderstand the word "abstract" <-- that is because you haven't defined it in an useful way < 1275169908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: < 1275169910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Super-Turing computation is impossible in every consistent universe. < 1275169910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i.e., Super-Turing computation is inherently inconsistent. < 1275169915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty useless < 1275169925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't prove it, it just defines it < 1275169933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How does that even work? < 1275169947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculates everything in constant time? < 1275169956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, banana scheme for example < 1275169958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No? < 1275169958 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of things in esolang wiki are super Turing, and uncomputable < 1275169959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc) < 1275169966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, a Turing-machine oracle. < 1275169974 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, solving the halting problem. < 1275169989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So TwoDucks isn't super-Turing? < 1275170012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can decide a statement of the form (forall n : exists m : P(n,m)) where the variables range over natural numbers < 1275170017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A super-Turing machine) < 1275170022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least, one with a TM oracle < 1275170042 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What is P? < 1275170045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ... < 1275170047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TwoDucks is an esoteric programming language by User:Zzo38 which allows you to go back in time and change things. It is uncomputable on a Turing machine; it even allows you to solve the halting problem. " < 1275170053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/TwoDucks < 1275170068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1275170079 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyper Set Language is certainly inconsistent, since a code to implement Russell paradox can be written with it < 1275170079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that claim is true then it seems pretty certain it is superturing < 1275170125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if super-Turing inconsistency is true, FTL travel is impossible? < 1275170164 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the relation? < 1275170169 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275170178 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTL travel, according to relativity and stuff, allows sending information back in time. < 1275170178 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTL travel implies violation of causality. < 1275170192 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not=({0}!(0.0))|(0.1); element_of={[<#]&>#;not/(not/@)}; Russell={[0.#;1.0]/(element_of/(#.#))}\*; < 1275170196 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that's why. < 1275170196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can violate causality, you can build a TwoDucks interpreter. < 1275170199 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED. < 1275170203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can? < 1275170219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about storage space < 1275170226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need infinite of that as well < 1275170241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe. < 1275170249 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, quantum computing with a wormhole gate (i.e. it outputs a value, then later takes that value as input) is perfectly consistent. < 1275170269 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There can still be quantum entanglements which can affect things, however it cannot be used for anything that can be received information it does still has to be the limited by speed of light < 1275170282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, hm now you made me imagine implementing a nand gate or such with a wormhole < 1275170282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275170296 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would the wormhole be useful? < 1275170317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, no clue < 1275170323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, I don't know enough physics < 1275170328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sounds like a cool idea < 1275170334 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1275170334 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, can you implemented NAND gates by wormholes? < 1275170345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I said above < 1275170351 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would require a lot of energy to create wormholes anyways, if it can possibly work < 1275170357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm sure Hollywood could :P < 1275170671 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@77.49.8.198.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275170693 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1275170704 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-240-176.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1275170715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with people joining and then leaving immediately, < 1275170743 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1275170759 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps testing purposes? < 1275170783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: mass noun is a mass noun. < 1275170790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I destroyed all the mass noun in the dictionary." < 1275170812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1275170819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It clearly isn't. < 1275170841 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you do that? < 1275170843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "all the mass nouns" < 1275170846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1275170848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1275170852 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275170858 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is correct. < 1275170875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is a mass noun! < 1275170881 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See! < 1275170887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mass noun are all mass noun; and mass noun is a mass noun. < 1275170890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said "a mass noun"! < 1275170899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! That is valid! < 1275170903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is a mass noun you couldn't say "a mass noun" < 1275170906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for mass nouns! < 1275170908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hmm good point < 1275170910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A water". < 1275170915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the one where "Xs" is invalid because it's just "X" < 1275170917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. sheep < 1275170918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes no sense! < 1275170919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a sheep" is still valid < 1275170934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just when the plural and the singular are the same. < 1275170943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like fish. Or deer. < 1275170943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fancy name? Aww. < 1275170946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that isn't the case for "mass noun" either < 1275170952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may well be one. < 1275170964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is "mass nouns" in plural < 1275170992 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is stuff on Wikipedia about "Mass noun" I checked < 1275171117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard that in some dialects in UK "sheep" does have a plural form different from the singular form < 1275171129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is a Fragment anyway? < 1275171132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might have been archaic, or dialectal _and_ archaic < 1275171136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sheeple! < 1275171141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wake up sheeple! < 1275171146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheep shoop shippen < 1275171153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sounds like something you use to bind paper together ;P < 1275171172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulseaudio does not like two sounds playing at once lol < 1275171172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well looks like it < 1275171174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sounds like it < 1275171176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me to unpack my mac asap < 1275171178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, works for me < 1275171187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: congrats you have the perfect soundcard + configuration < 1275171189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, both on laptop and desktop < 1275171189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky you < 1275171194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how's that latency like < 1275171198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, my laptop has intel hd audio < 1275171198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only joking! < 1275171203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works there < 1275171203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulseaudio's lag isn't called latency < 1275171208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called the waiting room < 1275171217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a nice sit down and a cup of tea while it's going < 1275171220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as for the latency, nothing noticeable < 1275171226 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I will play pinball game < 1275171237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so I think you must be unlucky < 1275171248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, of course on my desktop I _do_ have the perfect sound card < 1275171263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well almost < 1275171266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sb live < 1275171273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulseaudio has the flaw of not actually doing anything useful < 1275171279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there I don't use pulseaudio anyway < 1275171280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use jack < 1275171308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had the patience to set it all up I'd use OSSv4. < 1275171309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway on my laptop with intel hd audio, playing multiple sounds at once with pulseaudio works < 1275171314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I tend to do it often < 1275171316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works < 1275171357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1275171358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely < 1275171364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me not to scroll on a page with flash animations while using pulseaudio < 1275171380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it is a highly obnoxious flash ad that would play audio if i let it < 1275171385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what sort of shitty cpu? < 1275171396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, intel atom? < 1275171405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, actually, amd athlon 64 x2 < 1275171414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1275171417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the three things I've tried (alsa, alsa + dmix, pulseaudio) pulseaudio works the best for me (but still not optimally) < 1275171421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is dual core isn't it? < 1275171425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quite strange < 1275171428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but pulseaudio /goes/ /through/ /alsa/... < 1275171429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1275171436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's because linux is shit :D < 1275171450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, actually, I use linux and it doesn't happen for me < 1275171450 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't really know/care about how it works, just saying that it does < 1275171451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything was just fine until i plugged in speakers! < 1275171462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so I would suggest it is not the fault of linux < 1275171468 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How good are you flipperless pinball game? < 1275171475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this is on ubuntu jaunty < 1275171477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is, linux's fault is having unpredictable problems between perfectly fine hardware < 1275171483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it works, you're lucky! who the fuck knows why! < 1275171490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, sorry! < 1275171495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so does mac. It only works on a few products < 1275171500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple ones < 1275171502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but at least you know what to buy. < 1275171505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more limited than linux < 1275171511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay for linux, buy IBM thinkpads < 1275171519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh yeah this hardware works GREAT with linux" [buys it] "Actually, no it doesn't." < 1275171529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: desktop? < 1275171529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and with recent kernels the wlan issues went away < 1275171532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say "make your own" < 1275171537 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only issue I have with pulseaudio is that mplayer gets stuck if I pause it and then resume; I have to seek a bit (typically multiple times) to get it to unpause < 1275171539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why not < 1275171541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system76 maybe < 1275171542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only ships to US < 1275171545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it works perfectly < 1275171555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because Everyone Else Has Better Things To Do < 1275171566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like trying to get linux to work :D < 1275171567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it takes, like, an hour once the components arrived < 1275171571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most < 1275171579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just tell my mother that, brb < 1275171582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also I know someone with a perfect linux desktop apart from sound level < 1275171590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no I won't, because she'd laugh. < 1275171594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it has 16 cores. < 1275171606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xenon i7 cpus < 1275171618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's nice, how much money do they have? < 1275171625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[anmaster@ein ~]$ free -m < 1275171625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1275171625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 8953 2439 6514 0 0 1438 < 1275171628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even I don't consider buying multiple xenons. < 1275171632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, only 8 GiB? < 1275171636 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1275171641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 indeed < 1275171656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you counting hyperthreading "cores" there? < 1275171663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly they're close to being extra cores, but still < 1275171663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fully < 1275171665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, let me check a second. < 1275171670 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1275171683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, almost certainly. < 1275171687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably yes < 1275171691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 cpus is just two xenons, then < 1275171697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, $2,000 for the cpus. < 1275171697 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275171700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or abouts. < 1275171720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is quad cores. Each with two hyperthreads < 1275171726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5520 @ 2.27GHz < 1275171733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could look that up on intel.com < 1275171735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you care < 1275171746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so one of the low end ones then :-) < 1275171754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the lowest cpu speed you can get in a Nehalem < 1275171760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1275171764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, probably, it can compile the linux kernel in about 1 minute still < 1275171765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least a Xenon/i7 < 1275171768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nehalem is a nice name for them, why don't people call them Nehalem more < 1275171770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite impressive < 1275171775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they introduce i3/i5, before you could say Nehalem to mean i7/Xenon < 1275171777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was nice < 1275171780 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone has 100 people on their friends list on fcebook and each person has on average 100 people on their list as well, that's 10000 people in your extended network < 1275171782 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot < 1275171787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1275171797 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i would say only up to 60% of those are unique < 1275171800 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Xenons also Nehalems? < 1275171800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: and if each one of those has 100 friends, your totally-extended network is infinitely big < 1275171801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also it is a server board. Has IMPI and stuff < 1275171804 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact it's more like 6000 < 1275171804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes. < 1275171809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: *Xeon, oops. < 1275171810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, Xeon < 1275171819 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happiness is... < 1275171822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nehalem Xeon = i7 + multi-CPU support + ECC support + $500 or more extra < 1275171824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway I bet your system can't compile the linux kernel in 1 minute and 2 seconds. < 1275171830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the stats I saw for that system < 1275171833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: ...excrement < 1275171836 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, but we're talking about a real population, so it's going to start duplicating real quick < 1275171842 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought the Xeons had a separate arch < 1275171849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275171850 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :164| I am an inherently pornographic being. < 1275171853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275171854 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :92| if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has < 1275171856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nope, never had < 1275171857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275171859 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :52| Apple = Windows. < 1275171865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275171867 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :59| actually, I pretended to be a hobo to get directions < 1275171871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, explain. < 1275171876 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unquote < 1275171877 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275171879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've even forgotten. < 1275171880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275171881 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :118| Actually, he still looks like he'd rather eat her than have sex with her. < 1275171885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: IT WILL STAY NESTED FOREVER HAHAHAHAHAHA < 1275171891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also it seems to have 8 MB L2 cache per core? < 1275171896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah < 1275171900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1275171903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about L3 < 1275171905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have 512KiB of L2 per core < 1275171907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 8MiB L3 < 1275171908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275171910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275171914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(core = 2 hyperthreads here) < 1275171922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit hard to tell from /proc/cpuinfo < 1275171930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I get an account < 1275171933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1275171938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i built bsmntbombdood an almost-as-good system < 1275171942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well only one cpu, but more ram < 1275171945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an ssd < 1275171945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, on there? You don't. You have to be a friend of this guy. < 1275171948 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think /proc/cpuinfo has the info in that detail < 1275171955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed < 1275171955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll just ask bsmntbombdood to do my compilations and shit :P < 1275171965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP HAVING BETTER COMPUTERS THAN ME < 1275171976 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder.... if you have a set of N vertices, and the set of all connected graphs on them, then what is the statistical distribution of the value of percentage of duplication of second- and third-friends, sampled across all graphs and all vertices < 1275171980 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just lists the cache a core has access to, but doesn't explain how it's shared between others < 1275171983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I use this to do huge panorama stitching that swap trashes all my computers < 1275171994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it takes ages to scp the files. transatlantic < 1275172005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so how do I become a friend with this guy, what kind of personality does he have. < 1275172032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Dettol have introduced a No-Touch Hand Wash System. < 1275172034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a personality like mine < 1275172040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never touch a germy soap pump again" < 1275172047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will the immune systems of our next generation be like?! < 1275172051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they even HAVE any?! < 1275172056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, we have the same kind of view on user interface and such < 1275172063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well I'm not going that far, sorry. < 1275172066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275172109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I'll just bask in the knowledge that I came up with all the components to a proven-really-fast system without ever having assembled a computer before or even coming up with a full list of parts. < 1275172112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, i am a natural. < 1275172157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you didn't assemble it < 1275172165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is the important bit < 1275172166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... but that /is/ the easy part. < 1275172174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, all the components worked perfectly. < 1275172176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(together) < 1275172178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with bsd/linux < 1275172179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ever messed with thermal paste? < 1275172183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is _not_ the easy part < 1275172184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how many components you have and how small your case is ;-P < 1275172186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cable routing < 1275172187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: used the heat sink it came with :p < 1275172189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a hell < 1275172192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my case < 1275172193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he's replacing it iirc < 1275172200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I scraped thermal paste off a cpu < 1275172200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1275172202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still ran < 1275172202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power going everywhere < 1275172206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't realise, I was young) < 1275172220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do what I do and ignore cable routing: just find the first working solution < 1275172223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, where/when was this? < 1275172232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes and even that is tricky in my case < 1275172239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my computer... I was young, as I said. < 1275172240 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, same here < 1275172243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I do that ;-P < 1275172249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is a tower but not an excessively large one < 1275172249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Dan's Data find out toothpaste worked well for a time as a thermal paste? < 1275172257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a day or so < 1275172272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, at least I only have the PATA cd nowdays, no PATA harddrive < 1275172284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those cables are a hell < 1275172291 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No floppy drive? :-/ < 1275172316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, not any more, it made the computer refuse to boot when plugged in one day < 1275172323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275172364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is still in the case since I couldn't find the piece to fill the hole at the front < 1275172373 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275172386 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more attractive anyway < 1275172396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I guess it does look nice indeed < 1275172576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to live on a mountain of computers < 1275172592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, the hole is ventilation! < 1275172597 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to have one very good computer. < 1275172598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not SUPPOSED to put floppy drives there! < 1275172606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how much money do you have? < 1275172620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Edinburgh University has a supercomputer somewhere. < 1275172625 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can steal it. < 1275172626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW THIS but I came up with a parts list of an top-of-the-line computer costing $1,600... < 1275172632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! < 1275172634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEED MY PROFIT! < 1275172641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1275172648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, do tell. < 1275172691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :came up with in what sense < 1275172694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand < 1275172698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just bsmntbombdood's rig... rubbish graphics card but an i7 CPU, 12 GiB of DDR3 RAM, 80 GiB SSD + 1 or 2 TB disk < 1275172715 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i have an i7 with ddr2 ram... < 1275172720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Not much at all I just found parts that like each other on newegg to maximise cost/performance ratio :P < 1275172726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: har har har -- (you are joking right) < 1275172743 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I also get access to Ulster University's computer place in a few weeks. < 1275172749 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pointing out the redundancy < 1275172751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can steal something from there. < 1275172762 0 :Halph!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1275172764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah but most people won't know ... then again i guess they won't know i7 either < 1275172786 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275172840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh that system I mentioned, not a rubbish GPU < 1275172840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a cpu < 1275172858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 2 x GeForce GTS 250 < 1275172860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand this < 1275172863 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275172867 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1275172880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: GTS is not rubbish but it's not "much" < 1275172895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you need halph with your feces, pooppy? < 1275172901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275172905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you oklopol. marry me < 1275172912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro! < 1275172914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a female name and the pronoun is she so you know it's acceptable < 1275172916 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275172916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *pooppy < 1275172919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275172924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's favourite Turing machine. < 1275172926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should do it < 1275172930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1275172934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight < 1275172951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wat :P < 1275172952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay < 1275172954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 2 x of them isn't too bad for GPU computation < 1275172959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay so i need a plane ticket, where should i get it to < 1275172967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turku < 1275172969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well 2 of them is good, yes. < 1275172970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Remember, he said he was Turing-complete? < 1275172973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not leaving the house < 1275172975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just checking you guys have an airport right < 1275172977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh yeah < 1275172983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we have an airport < 1275172983 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1275172984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um i think you can get married over the internet nowadays < 1275172985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1275172990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: your job is to find out < 1275173002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need parental permission to get married if you're 14? what if it's not your native country the marriage will be in < 1275173003 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the power vested in me you are married. < 1275173006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can i move in with you? < 1275173010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: by whom < 1275173015 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :himself, I presume < 1275173016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1275173026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can move in the room we're not using that much < 1275173033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also lets see how long stuff takes on this... < 1275173039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but keep to yourself < 1275173046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want a sex wife < 1275173057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: certainly, can i use your internet connection < 1275173060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275173069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wish there was a batch hugin stitcher command that didn't require X
< 1275173071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly < 1275173078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up AnMaster me and oklopol are having personal talk < 1275173080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X forwarding the window is slowing things down < 1275173087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ? < 1275173095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we're getting MARRIED! < 1275173107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm the priest! < 1275173109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1275173145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just because you disapprove of our quasi-homosexual, underage coupling < 1275173149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean you have to be NASTY about it < 1275173177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what does your nick mean < 1275173181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AARGH neural networks are annoying. < 1275173200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Especially nasty to be so nasty about it so soon before LGBT Pride Month. < 1275173201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It means that I am the phantom of a hoover. < 1275173211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1275173212 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were you expecting? < 1275173224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the other interpretation, hoover that targets phantoms < 1275173224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(US-only, is so by decree of President Obama) < 1275173243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O MY GOD < 1275173255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBAMA IS A GAY MUSLIM KENYAN COMMUNIST. < 1275173273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the nasty bit is about underage < 1275173276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hoover of phantoms would be useful for the ghostbusters < 1275173288 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or indeed Luigi. < 1275173295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gay Muslim Kenyan American Unamerican Hawai'ian Communist. < 1275173305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In all seriousness, I am pretty sure my (serious) consent to something is worth more than an average 16 year old's < 1275173308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(age of consent in UK) < 1275173316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, respect my goddamn marriage < 1275173316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would like to make it clear that my name has nothing to do with the aforementioned plumber's) < 1275173350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275173368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good point, actually. < 1275173384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :137% CPU < 1275173388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1275173412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust the 16-year-olds I meet to give consent to do something very inane which I can't think of right now. < 1275173436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: multicore < 1275173462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a single thread < 1275173470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, I'd say my consent -- if I give it after at least a bit of thinking -- is probably worth at least as much as the average 18 year old's. Even if it's slightly less, which I doubt, remember that all the below-average 18 year olds are allowed to consent too... < 1275173473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not aggregated over several threads < 1275173475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Counting in-kernel time. < 1275173485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can easily be on multiple CPUs. < 1275173487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you can't make the age of consent "Anyone who's intelligent and informed enough to consent can consent." < 1275173490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Although the NHS probably disagrees. < 1275173490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-yo's know what they're doing < 1275173491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm maybe < 1275173495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that could explain it < 1275173497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275173498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's ... a fuckpile of a legal mess. < 1275173498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, * < 1275173507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I could REARRANGE SOMEONE'S VAGINA. < 1275173512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then FAIL TO COMMUNICATE WITH IT < 1275173513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP MESSING UP MY TAB COMPLETE (last spoken first) < 1275173514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also quite possible for Linux to be swapping CPUs on that process that much. :P < 1275173518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glares at both pikhq and Phantom_Hoover
< 1275173523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two chars + tab < 1275173528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be enough ;P < 1275173539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that sounds like a terrible idea) < 1275173552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That is extremely quicky. < 1275173563 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/quicky/squicky/ < 1275173573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Not communicating? ewwwww < 1275173575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275173582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or was Bell Labs totally awesome? < 1275173587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why people think kids can't decide stuff for themselves, any 15-yo can easily live by themselves, and unless seriously retarded, of course they fucking know what it means to get married or have sex < 1275173591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did almost everything except telephones < 1275173603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix... background radiation of the universe... < 1275173611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Many 15 year olds are seriously retarded. < 1275173612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C... < 1275173618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that < 1275173624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hear hear. < 1275173629 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you happen to recall high school? < 1275173637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO probably the biggest pandemic in society right now is how we treat children < 1275173653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was filled with people who thought football performance *mattered* in the long run. < 1275173660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, it's general stupidity. < 1275173661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We de-educate them to be fuckheads, then stop them making informed decisions about things for years on the grounds that they're not intelligent enough yet which is OUR FAULT! < 1275173664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or well to be more precise; i doubt they are on average any more retarded than 18-yo's < 1275173674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If we make our children intelligent... then stupidity is gone in a generation. < 1275173677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well, on that count I agree. < 1275173679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we didn't treat them like retarded, the retarded ones would quickly be "weeded" out < 1275173690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: True, but the stupid leading the stupid... < 1275173690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: high school was when people started life on their own < 1275173696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe many people are inherently idiotic, without mental disabilities. < 1275173700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, there is a gradient. < 1275173712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one was retarded in high school < 1275173718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But teach the kid fucking rationality starting at an early age -- make their first things learned be how to fucking think properly because nobody can do it. < 1275173730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make conclusions instead of just using emotion and heuristics. < 1275173740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then once they're literate it's just a process of adding knowledge. < 1275173740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people in general can't think rationally. < 1275173745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they freaking can! < 1275173750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every intelligent person in the world can think properly. < 1275173755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, most primary-school teachers fail at even basic mathematics. < 1275173759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can look at evidence, come up with theories, do experiments, come to conclusions. < 1275173763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about arithmetic < 1275173766 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275173767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you are overly optimistic < 1275173768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about being able to think. < 1275173773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, in US or where? < 1275173776 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK. < 1275173777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it is same in all countries < 1275173785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about in China? < 1275173790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So, let me get this straight: You think that the vast majority of the human race is inherently stupid and can only think with emotion and heuristics? < 1275173805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, not the vast majority < 1275173809 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to watch the Stargate movie
< 1275173810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, no, most people are slightly intelligent, and if you can be slightly intelligent you can be moreso. < 1275173818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two, bullshit. < 1275173825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make intelligent people an extremely statistical outlier < 1275173827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but I think " Every intelligent person in the world can think properly." is a gross exaggeration in the other direction < 1275173827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not < 1275173838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm. < 1275173843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So name an intelligent person who can't think properly. < 1275173864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually, I misread that < 1275173877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, somehow I did s/intelligent// < 1275173889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new claim is thus that far from everyone is intelligent enough < 1275173890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's simple fact that today's education system makes people stupid. < 1275173899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that I agree < 1275173924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a conformity factory. It was not designed to produce intelligence. It was designed to produce office workers. < 1275173944 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahaha. There's an ad saying "See something? [relating to illegal downloads] Report it!" < 1275173952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And education can never work unless we teach people to think properly as the core part of it... schools are just about stuffing facts, but they stuff facts into brains without telling them how to utilise them first < 1275173953 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This ad is on YouTube < 1275173956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in tv series us people are in high school like in 3rd to 6th grade < 1275173959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuffing facts is not how you do mathematics ... or anything < 1275173960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275173976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like finnish people (when i was growing up at least) are in 3rd to 6th ... < 1275174000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I doubt education levels will sufficiently improve < 1275174008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably true for finnish tv series too, i just don't watch them < 1275174009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most people capable of educating a child properly will decide not to have one < 1275174060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, eh? < 1275174069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? why would someone not want a child < 1275174100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They represent a huge amount of time, money and effort. < 1275174104 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they're idiots, "wah wah people don't like me wah wah i had my period it's so embarrassing" < 1275174117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the entire end that your genes will live on. < 1275174123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here's the reasons: < 1275174123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, sitcoms? < 1275174128 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't much good. < 1275174129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- the world is overpopulated already < 1275174131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no any tv series < 1275174133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're dead. < 1275174138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- there is so much suffering and stupidity in the world that putting someone new into it is basically cruelty < 1275174141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm lets see. Star Trek < 1275174146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, is it the case there? < 1275174146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- it's basically a selfish thing to do < 1275174151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I remember < 1275174156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- i like sleep < 1275174165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- other selfish reasons counteracting the selfishness like the money, effort, etc. < 1275174189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in fact I seem to remember quite a different view on things there. < 1275174212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, 1) no one cares about overpopulation 2) there's very little suffering or stupidity in the world, and life is awesome 3) yes < 1275174216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) me too < 1275174224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275174230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i read that as "i like sheep" < 1275174233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275174248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then 4) who cares get a wife and just do the interesting parts < 1275174261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5) there's always enough money < 1275174266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) I care about overpopulation < 1275174277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you ignoring my counterproof? < 1275174281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Life is fucking shit; for one pain is still around, for two poverty is still around, ... < 1275174287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're still making a negative impact to it by just having one child per pair of humans < 1275174290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) you can't sleep with a baby. < 1275174296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5) lucky you. < 1275174312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i haven't watched star trek < 1275174312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm trying to convince oklopol of something, why < 1275174319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, okay, I suggest you do < 1275174329 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275174338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pain and poverty might be around, but not for the kid < 1275174341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is probably pointless unless it is about math < 1275174346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr kid will grow up < 1275174350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's wrong with adding humans with GOOD lives? < 1275174362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: overpopulation. and nobody has a truly good life < 1275174367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they do < 1275174370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and besides it'd ruin him, he's only fun because he's crazy < 1275174371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are you taking an utilitarian view here? < 1275174374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275174376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Have you ever had pain? < 1275174383 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is bitter. < 1275174391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, actually < 1275174396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was my view before all this crap. < 1275174416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" alise, it is probably pointless unless it is about math" <<< yeah alise convincing me of being wrong about something in math, that sounds pointful. < 1275174419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275174421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so you were bitter before then too? < 1275174423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're basically one of the "life isn't worth living" people? < 1275174431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1275174443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always look at the bright side of life! < 1275174444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think that there's a lot of suffering in the world and we should work on making it better before subjecting other people to it < 1275174448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1275174458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: had pain? i've experienced pain, it's an interesting feeling, but you don't really get to try it much < 1275174461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you know, that was said while nailed to a cross < 1275174469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well see this is why you don't understand :P < 1275174472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, duh I seen the movie < 1275174476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just mentioning < 1275174478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it was a joke < 1275174480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: True, but if we decide to fix suffering and then have children we'll all be old and infertile. < 1275174493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world ends with a whimper. < 1275174515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, that's a ridiculous thing to say. < 1275174518 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1275174519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I guess I was using it as meta-meta-sarcasm < 1275174521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going to get old and infertile too. < 1275174523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyway < 1275174532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: intelligent people will not understand because they've used their intelligence to make their lives awesome. < 1275174538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore they will reproduce. < 1275174541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we manage to eliminate suffering we'll have the technological prowess to create babies whatever it takes < 1275174544 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, but if we produce no more potentially fertile individuals. < 1275174552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliminating suffering involves eliminating all illness, all pain, death, aging... < 1275174559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you can do that, what's one teeny little baby < 1275174570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: had pain? i've experienced pain, it's an interesting feeling, but you don't really get to try it much <-- sure? put your hand in boiling water < 1275174574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to try it < 1275174575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275174584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i do < 1275174589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuure < 1275174592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, some people don't feel pain as pain, just as a tingling feeling. < 1275174592 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: not necessarily < 1275174594 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is another means to eliminating suffering < 1275174594 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275174595 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would imply the nonexistence of human technology < 1275174596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So basically your logic is that we shouldn't have children until the singularity? < 1275174597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps oklopol is the same... < 1275174600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have an extremely high threshold for getting burns < 1275174602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, only by mistake I presume? < 1275174604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it would imply the nonexistence of humans! < 1275174615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pretty much. Yep. < 1275174625 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes, I didn't say what I meant to say. It would imply us not having any technology < 1275174626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, solution: Matrix < 1275174633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well no, i don't get sexual pleasure from pain, but it's a fun thing to try occasionally < 1275174635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And what if the singularity is unattainable within a human lifetime? < 1275174636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: really? < 1275174639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is about experiencing stuff < 1275174642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, .... < 1275174645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: A wild lifestyle would be very painful. < 1275174648 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there would be no us to have it < 1275174653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: right, that's what i said. < 1275174655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you know, I never considered it that far < 1275174661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we'd have to completely genociderate all people < 1275174669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and animals < 1275174670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything < 1275174682 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What about my question? < 1275174704 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275174711 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gogo buddhism < 1275174723 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it turns out that we don't have the time to attain the singularity in our lifetimes, we pretty much need to have children, or delegate everything to computers < 1275174738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which kind of defeats the point. < 1275174743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you a buddhist? < 1275174749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think insects can gain enlightenment < 1275174753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and killing them would be against buddhism < 1275174754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1275174778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: true, having babies for the purpose of introducing more intelligent people who will help the singularity happen is a good reason. < 1275174793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if i'm altruistic enough to subject myself to that :P < 1275174811 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no < 1275174812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, afaik that is not what most variants of Buddhism says. < 1275174822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, hopefully there'll be robots to do childcare. < 1275174824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only good reason to have babies is they are probably the most interesting thing there is, i mean come on you have your own fucking HUMAN :d < 1275174827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no what? < 1275174832 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a buddhist < 1275174835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275174845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Any sect of Buddhism that permits any sort of killing is probably not Buddhism. < 1275174856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can teach all sorts of magic < 1275174873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are several distorted sects of "Buddhism" that teach things like the existence of a material, tangible Hell like in Christianity and have a lot of bloodlust towards rival sects < 1275174878 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhism is just weird nihilism < 1275174878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really buddhism at all < 1275174887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, buddhism is not nihilism < 1275174895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilism would advocate no option in particular when presented with a list < 1275174904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhism would always advocate towards total enlightenment < 1275174922 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that form of nihilism < 1275174923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there really any difference between anything < 1275174934 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the form of nihilism that advocates destruction of everything < 1275174937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is don't be stupid < 1275174963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: anyway i suppose those were my strongest opinions < 1275174973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i had something about languages < 1275174977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right natlangs suck < 1275174981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i haven't ranted about for a while < 1275174987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, buddhism is totally not that! < 1275174988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Singularity. < 1275174997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i've covered the others < 1275174998 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I agree < 1275175000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhism doesn't advocate the destruction of anything < 1275175015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it advocates achieving enlightenment, then snuffing yourself out by becoming one with everything or some mystical shit like that < 1275175017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should choose more opinions < 1275175018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they advocate attaining a state of nothingness < 1275175034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :destruction? impossible. Law of conservation of energy. < 1275175036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they equate nothingness with everythingness though, do they not? < 1275175042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they don't consider plain suicide achieving that < 1275175049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it might be a lot less easy to put something back < 1275175051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only death after enlightenment, which is basically your highest point anyway < 1275175054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame entropy < 1275175054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so completes your life to the full < 1275175114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I argue that nothing is ever destroyed. It is at most converted into another form < 1275175146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Except the Cathedral of Chalesm. < 1275175152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, augh < 1275175171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh? < 1275175190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like "aaaaargh" kind of < 1275175203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, very bad joke/reference < 1275175205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1275175210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you got the reference! < 1275175216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1275175223 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION awards AnMaster with a shoe
< 1275175245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, eh? wouldn't a towel be more fitting? < 1275175257 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE EXPECTING < 1275175269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that one made no sense whatsoever < 1275175271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the reference about < 1275175285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hitchhikers guide to the galaxy < 1275175290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you read it? < 1275175291 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google it. < 1275175294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not < 1275175299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the 3rd book. < 1275175299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then do so < 1275175300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read fiction usually < 1275175309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Make an exception. < 1275175311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't read google either < 1275175312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it is a classic, everyone should know it < 1275175316 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275175321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no oklopol doesn't have to do anything < 1275175322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that < 1275175325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like him just as he is < 1275175330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts oklopol in my pocket
< 1275175330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1275175330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've read dostojevski's idiot < 1275175336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's classic enough for one lifetime < 1275175350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, this is scifi though < 1275175358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP ANMASTER < 1275175364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no < 1275175365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assume i like scifi? < 1275175377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes < 1275175381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, don't you? < 1275175387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i do :) < 1275175401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, also humoristic, not dead serious at all < 1275175407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked idiot too < 1275175411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humoristic is very much not a word. < 1275175416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humorous, please. < 1275175432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i really must get around to making a nicely typeset H2G2 < 1275175444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it wasn't as intelligent as south park, but it had some good points. < 1275175459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I need is a copy with `` '' quotes, and some sort of easy marking for the italic sections < 1275175462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i can work some magic on it < 1275175481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah maybe i should read h2g2, at least i've decided to do that about 50 times < 1275175509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: buy it in dead tree, the online versions are shit < 1275175520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and you can get all the five books in one so it's so thick you can barely hold it, it's wonderful < 1275175535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here read Goedel, Escher, Bach? < 1275175538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have it in paperback. < 1275175539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, paperback. < 1275175547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the most ludicrously thick paperback imaginable. < 1275175551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it in paperback too. < 1275175556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not mine. < 1275175559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Isn't it ridiculous??? < 1275175568 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I borrowed it without intent of giving back. < 1275175571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna order geb but for some reason i didn't < 1275175579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that good a book < 1275175581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually read it. < 1275175589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the dialogues, though < 1275175592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the one at the end < 1275175633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not good? i thought it was a book where the characters are gliders in gol and they have a whole new kind of society of gliders that unravels before the readers sweaty eyes < 1275175674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275175713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it SORT OF like that < 1275175735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's about goedel's incompleteness theorems and computation and consciousness and it has a ton of tortoise/achilles dialogues including ones where characters that are fictional and real in the universe swap half way through, the universe nests too much, and other things... and some other things. < 1275175748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computation parts are not that much, it's mostly all about how it links together < 1275175752 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DANGIT < 1275175759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i skipped over a lot of the TNT parts because it was just tedious symbol-manipulation to prove things < 1275175761 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::This video contains content from Lionsgate, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. < 1275175761 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1275175762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you like proofs it's good. < 1275175797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do like the occasional tedious symbol manipulation < 1275175884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually books meant for the layman have more of those really ugly symbol manipulation proofs than mathematical texts that consists only of proofs, i suppose this is because the point is not to actually teach anything, but to be able to copypaste some bullshit in the book that some nerd can read and think he's real tough < 1275175892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*consist < 1275175904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275175932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know those pathetic retards that read that sort of books and then they're all like "im hardcore brain boy" < 1275175937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well it actually goes through goedel's incompleteness theorem in the formal system < 1275175940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in extreme depth < 1275175944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool < 1275175949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i wasn't really being serious < 1275175951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is mostly symbol manipulation, though :P < 1275175958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :althought what i said is true often, i guess < 1275175958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Humoristic is very much not a word. < 1275175959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Humorous, please. < 1275175966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humousistic ;P < 1275175973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whatever that is) < 1275175975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :houmous < 1275175981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yep, indeed no r < 1275175987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humoristical < 1275176018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway it would be logical if humoristic was a word < 1275176025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would follow the pattern of other words < 1275176040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a word if you believe the American dictionaries, at least. < 1275176051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also humoristisk in Swedish < 1275176057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "humor" is the incorrect spelling, and I wouldn't even accept the abomination humouristic when the far superior word humorous is already there. < 1275176058 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And F U too, Lionsgate < 1275176065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I accept both US and UK spellings < 1275176106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and I can't see a reason why it is "far superior" < 1275176134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: if i use humor in writing and use humour when talking, does that sort of balance it out? < 1275176138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the humor thing was basically a troll. < 1275176147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But humouristic sounds idiotic. < 1275176154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is incredibly inelegant and just makes you sound, well, Swedish. < 1275176162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, only to someone used to UK English < 1275176170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or US English. < 1275176174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, actually a Dane could manage it too < 1275176175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet < 1275176186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ju det �r ett hum�ristikalt ord < 1275176187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275176198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what the heck was that < 1275176209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo Swedish < 1275176210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was perfect swedish < 1275176214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jo < 1275176214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo Swedish! < 1275176215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1275176218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275176231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, wth would "humöristikalt" mean though < 1275176246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humör != humor < 1275176251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well see < 1275176264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum�ristikalt to you is what humoristical sounds to an english dude < 1275176270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just trying to drive alise's point home < 1275176272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275176276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!= ≠ ≠ < 1275176291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, humör = mood, humor = humour < 1275176298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a word < 1275176305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1275176316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yep, which is why it confused the hell out of me < 1275176338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use it in a sentence < 1275176344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm google translate also suggests "temper" for "humör" < 1275176346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to translate because i'm awesome < 1275176349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, which? "humör"= < 1275176356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1275176365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eys < 1275176367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275176380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, if yes: "jag är på dåligt humör" < 1275176385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I am currently) < 1275176394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanx < 1275176405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and for the benefit of alise it means "I'm in a bad mood" < 1275176411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm not indeed < 1275176444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be "bad temper" also < 1275176462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which is the best translation < 1275176466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do something like not that i am currently == jag �r inte dock just nu < 1275176483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dock being a guess based on doch < 1275176499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what would "doch" be? < 1275176511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :german < 1275176518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak German < 1275176523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it something like "alas"? < 1275176527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't the question < 1275176533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, the word order was wrong there. < 1275176538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure it out < 1275176547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just nu �r jag ...? < 1275176561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how the dock works if it's the correct word < 1275176570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jag är inte dock just nu" ~ "I am not alas right now". It ends up as wrong word order in English too < 1275176573 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello sweeties < 1275176578 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs help with german < 1275176598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, "jag är just nu dock inte på dåligt humör" would work < 1275176612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that looks good < 1275176621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dock ~ doch ~ though < 1275176633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, dock sounds somewhat formal < 1275176649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I would use it in everyday speech but that tells more about me than about how it is used :P < 1275176653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i thought it's probably not really the best for swedish < 1275176664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know swedish very well < 1275176673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm telling you this because you probably couldn't tell < 1275176674 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hei, mitä kuuluu? :P < 1275176681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyv�� kuuluu ent� sulle < 1275176693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kulli k�des oottelen vastaustas < 1275176704 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you actually know Finnish? < 1275176711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm < 1275176711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit < 1275176712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's Finish, you idiot. < 1275176714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Finnish < 1275176715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275176727 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@77.49.8.198.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275176752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: mik� maksaa h�p�nassu < 1275176753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, you for Finnish? < 1275176767 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm? < 1275176770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, um, how do you pronounce "höpönassu"? < 1275176790 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pronounced HÖ-pö-nas-su. < 1275176792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish it would be tricky and sound very very funny < 1275176797 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION coughs.
< 1275176829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, how very helpful (not) < 1275176836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like swedish except our u is your o, and you have to remember x is always short, xx is always long < 1275176840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a bit, not much < 1275176847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah much more helpful < 1275176854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, but there is no x in there < 1275176860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all letters x < 1275176863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275176863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sounds < 1275176866 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just a minute, I've almost finished decoding the first thing you said. :P < 1275176873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sounds==letters < 1275176879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah < 1275176885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: you probably shouldn't translate the rest... :P < 1275176889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so that is a long s? < 1275176899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en massa av ... has it < 1275176902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1275176910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly that's not exactly swedish < 1275176911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not like in Swedish where "ass" in there would make a short a followed by a normal s? < 1275176915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just use english :P < 1275176934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the s's in "piss sack" < 1275176934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : en massa av ... has it < 1275176935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1275176944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the double ss < 1275176946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1275176948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275176984 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyvä... entä... sinä... < 1275176995 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where were we? < 1275176996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: second one you should be able to translate, although it's colloquial, the third one might be challenging < 1275177011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hyv�� < 1275177015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275177018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was word-by-word < 1275177033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or umm i dunno what it was < 1275177069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm does fi allow concatenation like Swedish does? < 1275177076 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides he can leave "kulli" out of his flash cards for now.
< 1275177080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275177091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* uorygl decides he can leave "kulli" out of his flash cards for now. <-- what? < 1275177092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah take j�lli instead < 1275177124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it means penis < 1275177144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used it when responding to uorygl < 1275177153 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it's more fun to say my own stuff instead of trying to figure out what other people are saying. :P < 1275177156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does memory cards have to do with this < 1275177159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Why do you guys speak Japanese with a funny cypher? < 1275177173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: well it's fun to read what you say so go ahead < 1275177180 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Finnish is the Sacred Language of Things for Which Finnish is Used as a Sacred Language. < 1275177211 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "kädes" supposed to be, anyway? < 1275177214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should ask a linguist < 1275177217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: k�dess� < 1275177228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: He's not here right now. < 1275177230 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably learn what all these cases are. :) < 1275177235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1275177236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lag < 1275177239 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inessive, aiee... < 1275177241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finnish it's common to drop stuff from most words < 1275177244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inessive, yes < 1275177249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saw a LOT arrive in a single second
< 1275177273 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, from käsi, hand-or-something. < 1275177276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275177277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything after "* uorygl decides he can leave "kulli" out of his flash cards for now." up to " I should probably learn what all these cases are. :)" arrived in a single second < 1275177289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k�si -> k�de is the weakening or whatever it's called < 1275177309 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what oottelen is. < 1275177317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's oDottelen < 1275177338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you usually drop it at least in turku, i think elsewhere too. < 1275177348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean at least in speech < 1275177366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, "Inessive"? wth does that mean < 1275177371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in X < 1275177376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INessive < 1275177382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you have a specially word form for that? < 1275177385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1275177392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a linguistic term < 1275177408 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's that partitive case again. < 1275177419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah we have an inessive case < 1275177429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, wow < 1275177440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: yes, plus another thing in the end too < 1275177462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "wow"? it's not exactly an uncommon case in languages that have those < 1275177469 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does "vastaustas" break down? < 1275177481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm < 1275177482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you just have a few really generic ones, like german, or then you have these positional things too. < 1275177490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, maybe < 1275177493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: you got it except for the s < 1275177500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's contracted from vastaustasi < 1275177505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, English and Swedish only have a few generic ones < 1275177507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vastaus - ta - si < 1275177517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages should have fewer cases. < 1275177521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, French has a few more iirc but not quite as much < 1275177524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tenses. < 1275177529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, agreed < 1275177546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While we're at it, we should reduce everything to grunts and vague gestures. < 1275177555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275177561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm might make communication a bit harder < 1275177565 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so what do the ta and si do? < 1275177567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general I agree < 1275177573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, would need to redesign IRC for it < 1275177577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: you got it already, ta is partitive < 1275177598 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the si? < 1275177599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a word ends in s, the partitive is usually -ta (i think always)