< 1274486419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION virtually changes his homepage to google advanced search to escape the pacman
< 1274486827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/homepage/start page/ < 1274486950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm scratch that s/// < 1274487658 0 :elliottcable!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :HARPOONS < 1274487739 0 :HARPOONS!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliottcable < 1274487947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1274487963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, do you know anything about software raid under linux < 1274487969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dmraid or whatever < 1274488192 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it, but I'm very much not a specialist. < 1274488281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mdadm or dmraid? < 1274488284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they the same= < 1274488287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1274488333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or is it some build in RAID on drive? As in, setup during bios < 1274488336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mobo has that < 1274488346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if I should use it < 1274488353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how much "hardware" it is < 1274488363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect not a lot since iirc it needs special windows drivers < 1274488378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps it does something in hardware... < 1274488380 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I hear, the Linux software raid usually works better. (Unless you need Windows compatibility.) < 1274488392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't need windows at all :) < 1274488413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there *are* some motherboard with real RAID controllers integrated, it's just that most are not. < 1274488415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but can I do RAID apart from on a tiny bit of the disk? it seems pointless to do RAID on the swap < 1274488434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, VIA VT8237 < 1274488452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the controller in question < 1274488468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's close to what I have, though I think the RAID bit is by someone else; I think it's pretty softwarey thing. < 1274488486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, or "had"; it seems I've switched motherboards at some point. < 1274488543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And RAID on swap is not pointless, for stability reasons; you don't want a disk crash to potentially kill your system when it takes swapped-out programs with it. < 1274488559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange... I have two 1 TB devices. Same model. Same speed. SMART extended polling time differs (171 minutes vs. 167 minutes) < 1274488561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have hot-swap-capable anything, though, so I didn't bother with swap-on-raid either. < 1274488573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the "recommended" estimate < 1274488576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty strange < 1274488613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, you can partition the disks however you want, and then select (preferrably same-sized) partitions to build a raid array from. < 1274488613 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1274488636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so you could do RAID 1 on everything except swap (and do RAID 0 on that :D) < 1274488662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, though you don't need RAID 0 on swap, you can just make two separate swap devices. The kernel's supposed to be smart enough to utilize them in a stripingy way. < 1274488672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you handle /boot? Do you need an initramfs if / is on RAID 1? < 1274488723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, though it's been possible to build raid support as non-modules and have the kernel automagically bring the / array up at boot-time. < 1274488747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would prefer to avoid initramfs < 1274488755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but yeah how do you handle /boot? < 1274488759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and grub < 1274488793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: On a RAID-1, all you need to do is install the bootloader into each individual drive's MBR if you want to be able to boot off of any arbitrary drive. < 1274488801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I don't, since my system stuff (/boot, /, /usr, /var) is on that non-RAID SSD (I don't really have money for 2*SSD here...) and I just regularly back it up to the terabyte-or-so /home. < 1274488821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since grub doesn't *write* anything, it'll just see a fairly normal partition for /boot. < 1274488830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, grub can boot from a /boot that's on a raid-1 array. < 1274488846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274488849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does write things if you do "savedefault", I think there was some sort of a potential issue for that. < 1274488863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm will have to stop using savedefault then < 1274488868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there's potential issues with that... < 1274488899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still what about /? And avoiding initramfs that is < 1274488902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it saves in the MBR, that'll just break, and if it does save in the MBR, then it won't propogate to other drives. < 1274488913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I want to do lvm2 for everything except / < 1274488923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on top of raid that is) < 1274488945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it saves in a file in /boot, which is created to have a fixed size < 1274488952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it won't have to change the file size < 1274488966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then it'll break a RAID-1. < 1274488973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep I can see that < 1274488973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a MBR-saving patch, though. < 1274488986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274489000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wouldn't help for EFI (not that I have that) < 1274489019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For EFI, I'm sure you can prepare an even nicer place for storing that. < 1274489040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1274489042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly that boot-loader storage-place GRUB wants on EFI disks, or however it worked, can't recall. < 1274489055 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still won't propagate to the other drive(s), though. < 1274489107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how non-module raid-support brings up the / array nowadays. It might be that it Just Works (tm). < 1274489120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LVM on top of the raid is of course no problem, I do that too. < 1274489184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did that non-module raid stuff use to work? < 1274489237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines RAID on LVM on dmcrypt on RAID on LVM
< 1274489238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1274489274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: GRUB1 does not handle EFI. < 1274489282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And GRUB2 handles RAID and LVM natively. < 1274489287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *And* EFI. < 1274489293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC (and this might be wrong), there was some sort of kludge that it sniffed likely/listed-as-an-argument device partitions for RAID array metadata blobs, and brought easily assemblable stuff up. < 1274489324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1274489344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: From mdadm --auto-detect, which starts kernel auto-detected arrays: "This can only work if md is compiled into the kernel - not if it is a module. Arrays can be auto-detected by the kernel if all the components are in primary MS-DOS partitions with partition type FD." < 1274489371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Linux RAID partitions have their own partition type. And those partitions have metadata on them. < 1274489374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "not recommended for new installations -- using mdadm to detect and assemble -- possibly in an initrd -- more flexible and should be preferred" and so on and so on. < 1274489404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I know that. < 1274489410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but I hate initrd < 1274489423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm proud my desktop manages without it < 1274489438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: initramfs is a bit nicer. < 1274489445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not much < 1274489449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it manages without it too < 1274489450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1274489460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initrd loads a filesystem into /dev/ram0 and mounts it. < 1274489468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it makes a difference in boot time, I measured stock kernel and custom kernel < 1274489473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initramfs unpacks a cpio into a tmpfs that's mounted on root. < 1274489484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stock kernel had only the modules needed on the actual initramfs < 1274489490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some 10 seconds difference < 1274489519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, initramfs always exists on Linux 2.6. < 1274489533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, embedded? < 1274489547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1274489566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway it might be supported but if you don't use it? < 1274489577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there will still be one. < 1274489589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one compiled in. < 1274489591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, a dummy one provided by the kernel? < 1274489594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does what= < 1274489598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1274489602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much by default. < 1274489619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, where are the files for it in the kernel source? < 1274489643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does not recall
< 1274489654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION files a bug against pikhq ;P
< 1274489688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Memory issues" < 1274489702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1274489746 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here on a Mac? < 1274490645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised harddrives have a realtime clock... < 1274490664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be able to put into the SMART data the time of the event < 1274490671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in hours of usage) < 1274490696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well might not technically be a realtime clock < 1274491062 0 :sdorand2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: sdorand2 < 1274491417 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1274492747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1274492859 0 :Slereah!~jews@ANantes-259-1-59-162.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1274493463 0 :Gregor-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1274493563 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thanks to a millennium of meticulous record-keeping, Icelanders are a genetically perfect people." < 1274493566 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably true. < 1274494570 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1274494679 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274496351 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1274497654 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1274497729 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1274498847 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274499004 0 :Sgego!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1274499356 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1274500131 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@67-129-37-226.dia.static.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274500225 0 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-54-3.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274501458 0 :sdorand!~sdorand@pool-98-114-198-98.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274501828 0 :sdorand!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274501904 0 :sdorand!~sdorand@pool-98-114-198-98.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274502748 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1274503130 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1274504119 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-2925110102.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1274505577 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1274505956 0 :sdorand!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1274506061 0 :Rugxulo!~rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274506433 0 :sdorand!~sdorand@pool-98-114-198-98.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274506542 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274506791 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274508030 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274508036 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274508138 0 :Slereah!~jews@ANantes-259-1-59-162.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1274508507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1274510889 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Rugxulo < 1274511713 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-252-179.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274513110 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I ran into a surprisingly ridiculous problem today. < 1274513118 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to benchmark a browser's /rendering/ performance. < 1274513132 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1274513148 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To that end, I was going to render a bunch of random stuff from JS in a loop, using setTimeout(..., 0) to yield to the browser so it would actually render. < 1274513169 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the event loop in every major browser seems to be timer-based, not truly event based. < 1274513188 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So on e.g. Firefox, that just ends up rendering something once every 10ms. < 1274513211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, there is no way (from JavaScript) to render something, then immediately come back to JS. < 1274513214 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*annoying* < 1274513561 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really, really likes Tremulous's AFD prank
< 1274513785 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can deduce any far-reaching conclusions about the browser's internals from that; it may be just that setTimeout(..., N) even for N=0 always uses a timer of that resolution, and doesn't just post a do-some-JS event. < 1274513828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually tried various alternatives to setTimeout. < 1274513838 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generating DOM elements that create onload events that fire back to my JS, etc. < 1274513852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All had the same delay. < 1274514057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you happen to test with Opera? One of its dev pages said it renders stuff even during the JS event dispatch, while FF and others postpone it until you get out of JS stuff. (Anyhow, it's still very unpredictable and browser-dependent.) < 1274514074 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't try with Opera. FF, Chrome, IE. < 1274514097 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's all very depressing for people who actually want to measure rendering performance :P < 1274514318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was that one "canvas-rendering filters and show the FPS rate" benchmark floating around, you could try to see how that was done. Although it might use some canvas-specific trick. (Or just not care about a 10ms diff.) < 1274514528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! fizzie! Sgeo_! :D < 1274514539 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an agar! < 1274514554 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a u instead of a second a and an extra u! < 1274514572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur! < 1274514578 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a logic/computing challenge for anyone who's interested :) < 1274514586 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go listen to http://codu.org/music/op13/GRegor-op13-wipp3.ogg :P < 1274514596 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening! < 1274514643 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you write this? < 1274514654 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, hence why it's on my web page :P < 1274514666 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you mightve just recorded your performance < 1274514669 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1274514670 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty < 1274514675 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should go easy on the chords tho < 1274514696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Go easy on the chords" < 1274514698 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haw < 1274514703 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what to make of that :P < 1274514714 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in the first minute and a half or so < 1274514724 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are these times when you play chords < 1274514728 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so "the section before everything changes" :P < 1274514731 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not arpegiated or anything, proper chords < 1274514748 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you emphasized the chords more than the rest, if only slightly < 1274514754 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should reverse that < 1274514755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1274514763 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I understand your meaning. < 1274514790 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should extend the first part, because stylistically it makes wonderful melancholy jazz < 1274514829 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's repeated thrice, it's sort of the refrain from the storm that is the rest of the piece. < 1274514844 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1274514857 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write another piece that plays up those themes as its entirety < 1274514862 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1274514871 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This piece is a work in progress, so you never know :P < 1274514872 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it evoked much bladerunnerness for me < 1274514881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end, for example, I will probably scrap entirely >_> < 1274514901 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be more coherent too, btw. < 1274514916 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said, the refrain is a bit jazzy < 1274514929 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest is decidedly classical < 1274514930 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of some sort < 1274514951 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ... there's a problem with that? I mean, that's straight-up intentional ... < 1274514966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its just a bit disjointed, i feel < 1274514976 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1274514987 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, style is very closely associated with mood, and i cant get into this piece because it has no mood < 1274515003 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like a jumble of moods < 1274515008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not itself a mood. < 1274515043 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were aiming for disorientation, or tumultuous psychology, or whatever, for me this doesnt capture it < 1274515045 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that to me is amusing, because the somewhat chaotic jumps back and forth between styles or moods is /exactly/ what I was going for X-D < 1274515060 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those are moods in and of themselves < 1274515066 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not composed of the use of other moods < 1274515089 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouncing back and forth from cheerful to sombre doesnt create a "bipolar" mood < 1274515096 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its simply two moods < 1274515143 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "bipolar" is an accurate description of what I was aiming for either :P < 1274515152 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i know < 1274515156 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was merely an example < 1274515199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1274515200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1274515229 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1274515381 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not saying that a chaotic mood is easy to come up with on its own terms, mind you < 1274515450 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, im fairly certain there is a blade runner song that you're unintentionally citing in this piece < 1274515459 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, sorry, not blade runner < 1274515467 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen that ... movie? I'm pretty sure that was a movie, right :P < 1274515498 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it the song Clubbed2Death from the Matrix. < 1274515511 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a piano interlude < 1274515523 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your piece is remeniscent of that < 1274515562 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I have seen ... < 1274515563 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse < 1274515651 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think its not an interlude but an outro of sorts < 1274515657 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1274515658 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go < 1274515662 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around 4:25 < 1274515678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to Opus 13, WIP3
< 1274515730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm ... not hearing it, but maybe I have no perspective. < 1274515745 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a direct quote < 1274515748 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just an evocation < 1274515752 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1274515780 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think I get your connection then. < 1274515792 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also feel I didn't lift anything, inadvertantly or otherwise :P < 1274515809 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1274515817 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not lifting, its just evocation < 1274515840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not bad so far. < 1274515844 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some two or three note progressions here or there that are similar across the pieces < 1274515926 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1274515941 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack, I need to sleep >_> < 1274515952 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid having to wake up while the clock reads AM. < 1274515954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feh < 1274516119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: My only complaint so far is that it feels *kinda* like you've got two seperate pieces going on here. < 1274516131 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1274516139 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, roughly the same as augur's complaint. < 1274516161 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try to find some historical pieces that convey chaos and disarray < 1274516171 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I find unfortunate because A) that's pretty much what I was going for and B) if everybody's complaining about it then that means I did a terrible job at making it work :P < 1274516174 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without combining stylistically different components in the way you did < 1274516192 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, moods are not compositional < 1274516200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ... Rather than feeling more like a single piece that switches between calm and chaos. < 1274516203 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot take two moods, put them together, and get a third mood < 1274516215 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just get the two moods. < 1274516226 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no beat frequency < 1274516228 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Yes, we all understand your calculus of moods at this point :P < 1274516233 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no moire patterns < 1274516241 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh if only it were so advanced as to be a calculus! < 1274516261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: The term "calculus" is much more general than you think. :) < 1274516270 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me < 1274516277 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a formalist, remember < 1274516284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still finds it amusing that the calculus of derivatives & integrals gets called just "calculus"
< 1274516298 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1274516305 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the first calculus people are introduced to < 1274516313 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the only one ever called a calculus < 1274516314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still amusing. < 1274516323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should bring the lambda calculus to middle school. < 1274516328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*lambda calculus*cough* < 1274516330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YES < 1274516332 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its entirely predictable that it would be called just calculus < 1274516395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse whether calculus gives a disambiguation page or the calculus of derivatives and integrals with a "for general calculi, see Calculus (disambiguation)" < 1274516403 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On Wikipedia) < 1274516415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh, failzors < 1274516920 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1274516931 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1274516934 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night all < 1274517006 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1274517384 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1274517857 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! < 1274517860 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq! < 1274519525 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.70.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274519583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the last time Phantom_Hoover was here? < 1274519947 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise! < 1274519954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1274519965 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent spoken to soupdragon since her banning but according to her now im a troll. < 1274519966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1274520008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually a remarkably long time talking to soupdragon before seeing her go batshit, at least if me and Phantom_Hoover are any guideline :P < 1274520038 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1274520085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She tended to start yelling incomprehensible things at me about once every two days, usually < 1274520149 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy girl < 1274520151 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever < 1274520153 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows life < 1274520163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, as usual. < 1274520206 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1274520206 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::hug:: < 1274520246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least the shitness is predictable. < 1274520312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, the complexities of moving country continue to elude me. < 1274520320 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving country < 1274520320 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1274520334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgotten about the unit again? Come on! < 1274520352 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but moving country? < 1274520433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274520440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: has always been the exit plan. < 1274520457 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you moving to? arent you a bit young to flee an entire country? < 1274520501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I'm the only person in this household who hates the unit. < 1274520560 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1274520629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as... the parental overlord? < 1274520655 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your /parents/ are considering moving out of the country in order to get you out of the psych ward? < 1274520887 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1274521132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Someone built a Life self-replicator. < 1274521164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, link? < 1274521168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is it? < 1274521183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=399 < 1274521193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ~4000000 along each side. < 1274521233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practical. < 1274521240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a spaceship. < 1274521243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not really a replicator. < 1274521254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *replicates itself*. < 1274521257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replicators must leave theirselves behind. < 1274521258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1274521259 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1274521266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: By that definition a glider is a replicator < 1274521287 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because there are never two copies in existence at the same time. < 1274521310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1274521320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it would be easy to rewrite the program tape to disable the destruction arm. < 1274521327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That would be the 13th spaceship velocity in Life attained so far." < 1274521335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the truly impressive thing about it, its speed :P < 1274521355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there has been a long-lasting search for an oblique spaceship. < 1274521369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oblique? < 1274521400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not diagonal or orthogonal. < 1274521415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1274521458 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping track of the spaceship velocities is pointless now, though. < 1274521496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't; this spaceship will only handle multiples of some N above a certain constant. < 1274521556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone mentioned a proof that a UC-based spaceship could go at any velocity less than c/2. < 1274521584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greater, surely, not less. < 1274521588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, theoretically, but this model not. < 1274521604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What, so diagonal c/3? < 1274521608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is impossible. < 1274521617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Greater, surely, not less. <-- no, less < 1274521691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bounding box is 4217802x4220190 instead of 4217807x4220191 (I was too lazy to renormalize it to the original phase) and it moves correspondingly faster, (5120,1024)c/33699578. Let's see, this is the fourteenth explicitly constructed spaceship speed -- and I think it was probably time to stop counting at thirteen...! < 1274521723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gemini can be accelerated by another 4064 generations (and shortened by 508fd) beyond what Dave has done. Any further and it crashes." < 1274521929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very familiar with Herschel technology, annoyingly... < 1274521942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'MA DOWNLOAD UBUNTU LOL. < 1274522022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1274522027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit 8MiB/s there < 1274522048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so close to the exchange that I could have a 64 megabit connection. < 1274522051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is capped :( < 1274522095 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1274522271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the maximum period of a spaceship in an x * x box is an uncomputable function in x, similar in nature to the Busy Beaver function." < 1274522272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet < 1274522296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby declare the disturbingly named "Conway's beaver" -- Cb(x) -- to be the maximum number of spaceships in Game of Life in a bounding box of x^2. < 1274522320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty easily computed. < 1274522325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would just take ages. < 1274522329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1274522336 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://247wallst.com/2010/05/21/the-limits-of-science-oil-leak-at-95000-barrels-a-day/ < 1274522341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Consider an exploding pattern. < 1274522345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you KNOW it's never a spacesip? < 1274522347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spaceship < 1274522350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never disappears (terminates). < 1274522354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same as the Busy Beaver function. < 1274522356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose. < 1274522361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't suppose, you know. < 1274522399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cb(0) = 0; Cb(1) = 0; Cb(2) = 0; Cb(3) = 1 < 1274522406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blank space is a 0-period spaceship) < 1274522412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess :P) < 1274522414 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but saying "I know" gets boring. < 1274522461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway -- hexagonal life. Any work on that? < 1274522472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tonnes. < 1274522473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Oscillator.gif < 1274522488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are even emulations of it in Golly. < 1274522509 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they're a bit confusing.... < 1274522553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people try and stuff everything into Golly? < 1274522611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the only program with proper support for hashlife. < 1274522623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And unbounded universes. < 1274522646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:04:39 Bah, alise isn't going to show up, is he? ;; My gender may be male, but the gender of the nick alise is the gender formed by augmenting the male gender with female pronouns! This is to confuse you and everyone. < 1274522655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:11:18 What time does he usually show up on Friday? ;; Not at all, usually. < 1274522674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:42:47 Igors did not believe in "Forbidden Knowledge" and "Things Man Was Not Meant To Know" but obviously there were /some/ things a man was not meant to know, such as what it felt like to have every single particle of your body sucked into a little hole, and that seemed to be one of the options available in the imediate future. < 1274522674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:42:56 --Terry Pratchett, Theif of Time < 1274522674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:43:00 *Thief < 1274522675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*immediate. < 1274522686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go. < 1274522778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MUST GO -- AND I MAY NOT BE BACK AGAIN -- < 1274522782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dramatic outro] < 1274523579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:46:02 Ashes to Ashes is on next. < 1274523606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched it and was vastly disappointed but then I stopped following as soon as Life on Mars ended, so I'm sort of missing every bit of context imaginable. < 1274523610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:46:26 * impomatic never watches TV < 1274523611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Area Man. < 1274523746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20:58 --- nick: elliottcable -> HARPOONS < 1274523747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22:19 --- nick: HARPOONS -> elliottcable < 1274523750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, FUCK no. < 1274524660 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-11.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274524688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:24:31 So travelling along the time dimension means your speed is dt/dt, which makes no sense. < 1274524693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all really standing still, dude. < 1274524727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:19:08 You should take an unicode-shower. < 1274524728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oonicode? < 1274524778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:22:59 oerjan, now, does that ever exist outside pure math? as in real world. Drawn circles and so on < 1274524791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ["almost certainly"] cannot store infinite amounts of information in finite space < 1274524796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no, true circles do not exist < 1274524907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:33:29 AnMaster: perhaps the original character set had different forms for variations of the same character < 1274524912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they did a bunch of Han unification for unicode so < 1274524955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:37:24 AnMaster: Han unification is the process whereby the glyphs for pretty much all CJK characters were merged into codepoints based on abstract meaning, regardless of (sometimes quite major) glyph variations. < 1274524955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1274524964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also why the japanese... don't use unicode. < 1274525517 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this some kind of bot? < 1274525570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What; me? < 1274525577 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you < 1274525580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just logread because I can't be here Monday-to-Friday. < 1274525594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that I was basically the most regular regular here; I believe I've talked to you under a different nick. < 1274525596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1274525634 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont think you have, unless the different nick was in the form of Zuu < 1274525655 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sticks to his nick :)
< 1274525655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick was the one that was different. < 1274525660 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1274525668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird? < 1274525682 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that sounds familiar, yes :) < 1274525732 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least familiar in the sense that i've seen someone use that nick :P < 1274527659 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1274527767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's KEEL EVERYBODY < 1274527886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why? < 1274527908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1274527916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274527919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1274528151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wasn't it so that you haven't done any money-changery recently? I found some made-in-1976 SEKs, and quick googling seems to suggest that they're still just fine. < 1274528513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :money-changery? < 1274528523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean changing to EUR or such < 1274528541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well correct, they should be fine < 1274528550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just different style of coinage. We did a one-to-one mapping even during the FIM age in the 1990s or so. < 1274528579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1274528594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well actually, for the non-coins there might be an issue < 1274528596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue. But we got those fancy two-different-colors-of-metals coins for it. < 1274528605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what with the 20 SEK changing size < 1274528612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure the old one is still legal tender < 1274528616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they added the 10 FIM coin at that point, too; 5 FIM used to be the largest. < 1274528635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well that sort of things happened before I knpow < 1274528636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know* < 1274528642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number of times < 1274528651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIMs < 1274528655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fims, seks and flobs < 1274528673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but 0.5, 1, 5, 10 SEK should be valid as coins today < 1274528696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for paper money: 20, 50, 100, 500, 1000, [more iirc but never used those] < 1274528706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but yeah 20 SEK changed size some years ago < 1274528714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other gained more security things < 1274528732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Well, there was just 1*10 + 6*1 SEK wort of it, so it wouldn't been a great loss; I just don't want to get caught when trying to buy a subway ticket or something. < 1274528736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like holographic stuff in the paper < 1274528769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those should be perfectly valid afaik < 1274528783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but I'm not sure that is enough for a subway ticket ;P < 1274528813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but we've got more, more modern money. I just came across those coins when trying to find some papers. < 1274528818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to go catch a bus, bye. < 1274528828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and lots of things like buses in many parts in the country only take credit card or pre-bought ticket these days < 1274528888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as in, no paper money/coins accepted on the bus or such. To reduce risk of someone attacking the driver and stealing it I think < 1274529509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how UNION(0) = 0; UNION(S(w)) = w. < 1274529548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we should say ⋃w instead of pred(w). < 1274529555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even ∪w. < 1274529615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Big-intersection is much more boring, because INTERSECT(0) = 0; INTERSECT(1) = 0; INTERSECT(S(S(w))) = {} intersect ... = 0) < 1274529663 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangit, I knew I should have stayed up 24/7 < 1274529751 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I wanted to say something like "Well, that was an interesting week. Got my laptop working again, the Holy Grail of Life was created, got addicted to Aquaria" or somesuch < 1274529860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny; I got addicted to cocaine!* < 1274529862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Not actually true. < 1274530037 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION closes his laptop and goes back to sleep
< 1274530150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know an algorithm to generate a denormal floating-point number? < 1274530406 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. do you know an algorithm to take arbitrary pair-based objects and substitute an arbitrary element in them with some arbitrary new element? < 1274530411 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X < 1274530629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1274530630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwim; < 1274530910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Wait, you watched the finale of Ashes to Ashes without having watched any of the series? < 1274531173 0 :marchdown!~marchdown@178.178.119.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274531174 0 :marchdown!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1274531283 0 :marchdown!~marchdown@178.178.119.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274531284 0 :marchdown!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1274531327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyone know an algorithm to generate a denormal floating-point number? <-- just enter a small enough constant < 1274531331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a C program < 1274531333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then compile < 1274531337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extract the constant < 1274531368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just write some program to take a number on stdin and write the binary representation to stdout < 1274531369 0 :marchdown!~marchdown@178.178.119.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274531375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then get_float > foo < 1274531379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get the value from foo < 1274531442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I refer you to IEEE 754 for more details of the range < 1274531443 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274531449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wikipedia also have it iirc < 1274531520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't give you my copy of IEEE 754 because it says at the bottom of every page: Authorized licensed use limited to: . Downloaded on April 18,2010 at 14:43:10 UTC from IEEE Xplore. Restrictions apply. < 1274531723 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sneaky, it really does say that :/ < 1274531730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, eh? < 1274531744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, you have access to ieee xplore too and just checked? or what? < 1274531749 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just fetched it myself < 1274531752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274531765 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was curious it it was really true :P < 1274531767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, everything from ieee xplore says that < 1274531777 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1274531836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I wonder what "restrictions apply" < 1274531880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, I recommend you print it. Since that is likely outside the margin of the printer ;P < 1274531896 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont mind it < 1274531929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, yet you used ":/" < 1274531951 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because i find it sneaky < 1274531966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1274532207 0 :marchdown!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: marchdown < 1274532295 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274532988 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1274533169 0 :Guest27685!~jw@c-98-202-196-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274533744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274533889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: Wait, you watched the finale of Ashes to Ashes without having watched any of the series? < 1274533891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1274533898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyone know an algorithm to generate a denormal floating-point number? <-- just enter a small enough constant < 1274533901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unhelpful :P < 1274533912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Why? < 1274533912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I won't give you my copy of IEEE 754 because it says at the bottom of every page: Authorized licensed use limited to: . Downloaded on April 18,2010 at 14:43:10 UTC from IEEE Xplore. Restrictions apply. < 1274533922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't distribute :P < 1274533932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no idea what the hell is going on! < 1274533941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: quite < 1274533962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you watch it ay all, then? < 1274533964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched some of it tho < 1274533969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intermittently < 1274533987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why is it unhelpful? < 1274533989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i watched all of life on mars < 1274534001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the limit for denormal number is mentioned on wikipedia iirc < 1274534004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: finding that constant < 1274534041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I remember using it from there before having access to IEEE 754 < 1274534227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it would be practical to implement a von Neumann architecture in Life.
< 1274534261 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the ingredients are there... < 1274534915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tom's foolery. < 1274534980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1274534989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLT_MIN isn't a good infinitesimal < 1274535026 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just assemble one yourself? < 1274535052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or write 0.00000000000000000000000000001? < 1274535071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a floating point number such that x^2 = 0. < 1274535083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These actually exist but right now I'm just using approximations. < 1274535095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that XOR or exponentiation? < 1274535118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exponentiation. < 1274535122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're called denormal numbers. < 1274535133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(machine_epsilon) provides an okay approximation -- by okay I mean meh. < 1274535217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, one such number is 0 < 1274535252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fits for non-floating point too < 1274535253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1274535254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1274535268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Surely it depends on the exact nature of the floating-point processor? < 1274535316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The IEEE standards are strict enough to require one to exist. < 1274535350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're electronics engineers! < 1274535353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn them! < 1274535360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./inftes < 1274535360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0003452670 0.0001316071 -0.0004272461 -0.0006408691 -0.0008544922 < 1274535360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0.0010681152 -0.0012817383 -0.0014953613 -0.0017089844 0.0091266632 < 1274535360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0.0021362305 0.0086994171 -0.0025634766 -0.0138244629 0.0191059113 < 1274535360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0078449249 -0.0034179688 0.0295143127 -0.0259437561 0.0069885254 < 1274535361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0399208069 -0.0155334473 0.0173988342 -0.0380592346 0.0832633972 < 1274535363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0278053284 -0.0276489258 -0.0831069946 0.0382118225 -0.0172424316 < 1274535369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Table of errors when using sqrt(machine_epsilon) < 1274535372 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(-1) is called i by all right-thinking people! < 1274535387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1274535391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you forgotten about -i? < 1274535410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fine/ < 1274535415 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't call it j. < 1274535421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot to specify that you're using a sqrt() extended to work on negative reals, too. < 1274535424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the principal square root. < 1274535436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedantry! < 1274535455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is mandating the use of the letter "i" for the imaginary unit. < 1274535467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why j, though? < 1274535471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just confusing. < 1274535516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because i is current < 1274535519 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-4-11.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274535528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In the novel The Da Vinci Code, the character Robert Langdon jokes that character Sophie Neveu "believes in the imaginary number i because it helps her break code" (Brown 2003, p. 351).]] < 1274535529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was I? < 1274535530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, MathWorld < 1274535535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i or I. < 1274535539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Either way it's confusing) < 1274535691 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274535729 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1274535754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still wants to know the complex structure of circles
< 1274535756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : They're electronics engineers! Burn them! z < 1274535762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/z/<-- why/ < 1274535762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Eh? < 1274535786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know how the circle extends into the complex plane. < 1274535798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1274535799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For x^2+y^2=1. < 1274535802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1274535811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just don't call it j. <-- I = 2*e^(-j38°) ;P < 1274535812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sense of how? < 1274535818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches Phantom_Hoover cringe
< 1274535830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Degrees? < 1274535833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ugh; go fuck a goat. < 1274535838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, common in electrical engineering < 1274535841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my fault < 1274535851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, for instance, (2, root(3)i) satisfies the equation. < 1274535853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOAT-FUCK. < 1274535860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I agree it is annoying < 1274535863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root(3)i? < 1274535868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just describing what happens < 1274535868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of notation is that? < 1274535871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root 3 times i. < 1274535876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i^1/3? < 1274535878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which root? < 1274535883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cube? 42 root? < 1274535884 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The square root. < 1274535894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you actually meant sqrt. < 1274535897 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1274535903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have said sqrt. < 1274535906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn the witch. Burrrn. < 1274535908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "root" in real life! < 1274535912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are retarded! < 1274535914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burrrrrrrrrrrrrn < 1274535922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easier to say! < 1274535938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say square root in RL < 1274535942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather kvadratrot < 1274535946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Swedish) < 1274535947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: Pronouncing mathematics is fucktardedly hard < 1274535951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least anything non-trivial < 1274535956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1274535963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1274535967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must invent a spoken language for the purpose! < 1274535988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We shall call it... TeX! < 1274536000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's meant to be typed! < 1274536003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backslash sqrt oh 2 ah. < 1274536005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh is {, ah is }. < 1274536015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frac oh 1 ah oh 2 ah. < 1274536020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best thing would be if we had sensible terms for brackets... < 1274536025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Sufficiently nested expressions just make people think you are engaging in sexual congress. < 1274536027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that. < 1274536063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "Frac oh 1 ah oh 2 ah" is stupidly long. < 1274536078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 slash 2" is much shorter. < 1274536226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 over 2. < 1274536230 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it TeX is designed to make it look like it would if you wrote it down, not to be said easily. < 1274536242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"over" is two syllables. < 1274536247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO MANY. < 1274536253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/TO/TOO/ < 1274536253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up. < 1274536268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1274536300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sum k from k equals 1 to n equals n times n plus one [-] over 2 < 1274536302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] is a short pause. < 1274536305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sum k from k equals 1 to n equals n times n plus one, over 2 < 1274536322 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-11.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274536326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already, however, this is completely incomprehensible to anyone if they can't look at it for a few seconds. < 1274536395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why brackets should be easily pronounced. < 1274536472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have a big enough cache to understand things like that, sorry. < 1274536476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just bring pencil and paper. < 1274536480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1274536499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence we need to stick a cache into people's brains... < 1274536554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, does anyone know where that Brainfuck assembler went? < 1274536611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which? < 1274536615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1274536622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have stumbled upon an /excellent/ epsilon value. < 1274536628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need pikhq or AnMaster, stat, to explain this. < 1274536657 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2bf is on Sourceforge! < 1274536660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must look! < 1274536699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let dx = FLT_MIN * FLT_MAX. Then let D(f,x) = (f(x+dx) - f(x))/dx. Let square(x) = pow(x,2). Now note that D(square, n) - 4 is almost exactly 2*n for all n. The error becomes ~0.0000152588 very quickly. < 1274536714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: Why? Is this just coincidence? And why the almost-constant error of ~4? < 1274536784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh, I hate Sourceforge's CVS. < 1274536794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no clue < 1274536802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you need pikhq < 1274536812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or stat, not sure who that is) < 1274536828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That was a joke, right? < 1274536839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes < 1274536842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good :P < 1274536853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, now: which was? ;P < 1274536857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that was too) < 1274536862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, hmm, if we consider an infinitesimal e = 1/infinity, then dx = inf * 1/inf = 1. < 1274536881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha < 1274536882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./inftes < 1274536882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.99999976158142089843750000000000000000000000000000 < 1274536889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it's such a "good" approximation :P < 1274536892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 4 < 1274536907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it only works because the derivative of x^2 doesn't mind how big dx is, really, as long as you scale it... < 1274536951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses a table fan to cool the external harddrive
< 1274536959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hot today < 1274536974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1274536990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you give me a 64-bit denormal number such that x^2 = 0? < 1274536992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I'm doing ddrescue from the disk in question < 1274536995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be much smaller than that < 1274536998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just quite small, you know < 1274537000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, too hot to think today < 1274537002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too small and calculations will fuck up < 1274537002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1274537012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the table fan can't cool both the harddrive and me < 1274537014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1274537045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do a binary search? (no idea if this will work...) < 1274537090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Meh :P < 1274537102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, too hot. Ow. < 1274537105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it there? < 1274537114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Stockholm 22C apparently. < 1274537115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets hot in Sweden? < 1274537118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*22 C < 1274537119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1274537123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, too hot to go to the other room and check the temp < 1274537124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nordic countries have summers. < 1274537128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also very humid < 1274537129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They just have colder-than-usual winters. < 1274537134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's them spoilt. < 1274537135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's not that bad if you're not in the north actually. < 1274537137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hot and dry is less annoying than hot and humid < 1274537150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyone who lives in, say, Britain, could deal with Stockholm or whatever < 1274537154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a bit chillier in the winters < 1274537160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and it was like 60% humditity in the morning iirc < 1274537166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's 25 degrees in Hexham apparently but it's nowhere near that temperature here indoors < 1274537166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh I need to go to that room anyway < 1274537168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will check < 1274537168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50% humidity apparently < 1274537175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Partly cloudy" my ass, fuck you Google, fuck you in the ass < 1274537283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 23 C, 42% downstairs (indoors) < 1274537293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took the device up here < 1274537297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it is warmer < 1274537301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland's been rather warm these last week or two too. < 1274537302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see what it ends up at < 1274537334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already at 67% humidity < 1274537341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :68... < 1274537366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm's weather forecast looked like it's going to get a bit colder now. But no rain tomorrow-midday, when we have to walk through it, hopefully. < 1274537372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274537379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm not in Stockholm thougj < 1274537383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though* < 1274537413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, be sure to send updates as you go ;P < 1274537418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right; but I can never recall where you were, or where it was. < 1274537437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well if you are going by train you are probably going south of Mälaren right? < 1274537446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in which case it is unlikely you will pass nearby < 1274537457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 20 km away or so I guess < 1274537475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were going north of Mälaren you would pass like a few hundred meters away < 1274537479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. I know nothing of you geography, but generally southwards. < 1274537488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1274537499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that X2000 Stockholm-Copenhagen train. < 1274537505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Mälaren = big lake starting from Stockholm and going inwards < 1274537511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can go either north or south of it < 1274537515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when going by train < 1274537533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the track are connected on the opposite side < 1274537548 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1274537552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live quite near that connection point but not close enough to see the south track < 1274537558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1274537581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the temp shows 24 C now, but it haven't stabilised yet < 1274537589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hasn't < 1274537596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster, alise < 1274537600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right < 1274537623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as in, ~20 km from the south track meeting up with the north one < 1274537625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of train-wlan opportunity, but it cost money, and I'm not made out of it, so skipped. < 1274537629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some such < 1274537641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, browse with n900? < 1274537674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something silly like 3 eur/MB when abroad. < 1274537680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just the single "hi, I'm in Halsberg" would be nice. (that is the closest you will get to me if going the south track) < 1274537735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and that would be a few kB or such I bet for connecting, saying that line, disconnecting. < 1274537753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 250 kB minimum charge too. < 1274537808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :halsberg is just in the neck of the woods < 1274537912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here, you give me a way to calculate a float x s.t. x^2 = 0. < 1274537915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR ELSE. < 1274537937 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 0 < 1274537938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1274537972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, AUGH < 1274537989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1274537995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, specially since berg = mountain < 1274538002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that joke ended up as very very bad < 1274538009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well berg = rock too < 1274538010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i couldn't fit a mountain in there < 1274538046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: and x =/= 0 < 1274538072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does "neck of the woods" mean something? < 1274538084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "vicinity" < 1274538088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274538115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you groaned without getting the whole pune? < 1274538118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pun < 1274538123 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1274538128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes it was easily detectable as bad anyway < 1274538185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, copying 250 GB at an average speed of 26 MB/s takes quite a lot of time < 1274538196 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 3h? < 1274538210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, more I think < 1274538217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but meh < 1274538221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like more < 1274538234 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 0x1p-149 :-P < 1274538243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, p? < 1274538245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: p? < 1274538248 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says (250 GB) / (26 (MB / s)) = 2.73504274 hours < 1274538252 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... p < 1274538253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hey stop copying me < 1274538254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: isn't that FLT_MIN? < 1274538254 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1274538262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what is p < 1274538263 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, maybe < 1274538272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Calculations with FLT_MIN are... unreliable < 1274538277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p signifies where the exponent is < 1274538280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, computing derivatives with them seems to always yield 0 < 1274538283 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like e in decimal < 1274538293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You wanted "a float which != 0" :-P < 1274538307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is FLT_MIN now again? < 1274538318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Shaddup :P < 1274538326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: smallest float... "sort of" < 1274538335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274538343 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that's smaller than FLT_MIN < 1274538348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, smallest normal or smallest denormal? < 1274538379 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are these nomals and denomals you are talking about? < 1274538390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not sure. < 1274538394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: floating-point oddities < 1274538396 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.175494e-38 is FLT_MIN, that's 1.401298e-45 < 1274538417 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: and what is the difference bwtween the two? < 1274538423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, a normal fp number starts with a non-zero in the mantissa. A denormal one can start with 0 < 1274538423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1274538432 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that < 1274538435 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1274538450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, like: 1.4*10^-3 vs. 0.14*10^-2 < 1274538452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1274538482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In IEEE 754-2008, they're called subnormal numbers < 1274538482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Brainfuck low-level? < 1274538485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, if the exponent is at minimum number then you can use the denormal numbers to get even smaller numbers < 1274538490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah right < 1274538491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has all sorts of abstractions. < 1274538498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like? < 1274538508 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The [], for a start. < 1274538515 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me even more i already know < 1274538521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, temp stabilised on 25 C < 1274538528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 70% humidity < 1274538534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, now you see why I can < 1274538540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't* easily think < 1274538551 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Deewiant :) < 1274538562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Your hard drive does not matter as much as you ffs. < 1274538564 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yello < 1274538566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how is that an abstraction < 1274538571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sure but I'll live < 1274538593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not working on a machine level. < 1274538606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, machine level is an abstraction < 1274538607 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excepting CPUs designed explicitly to run BF. < 1274538621 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how is it low-level? < 1274538626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF, I mean. < 1274538628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, we should program directly in transistors and electrons < 1274538665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if the CPU is designed to run BF directly then it is < 1274538668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are BF CPUs < 1274538669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1274538686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and after this summer there will be a befunge93 CPU I hope :D < 1274538687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's not low-level when it's running on anything other than them. < 1274538710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 26 C < 1274538722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put fan on you. < 1274538748 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you don't take the heat well either? < 1274538752 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must now go.. AND I MAY NOT RETURN. < 1274538761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how did people manage before fans < 1274538771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but do you plan to return? < 1274538771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They dies young. < 1274538782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, died* < 1274538786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesyesyes. < 1274538789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or die* < 1274538789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hotly < 1274538794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*died < 1274538795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, cool. < 1274538805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well it could be in underdeveloped countries today < 1274538806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I must go and possible not return. < 1274538816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in which case die* would be accurate < 1274538853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for a blank cd
< 1274538871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Have you forgotten about -i? < 1274538878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for the left-thinking people, duh < 1274538889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1274538901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Or he could be talking about only ONE rolling square < 1274538904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What, ever? < 1274538926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what? rolling square? < 1274538973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoosh. < 1274538980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, explain pun < 1274538986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I blame heat < 1274538995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, please make more wind pass < 1274539020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION farts
< 1274539024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL IT IS FUNAY < 1274539030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sqrt(-1) is called i by all right-thinking people! < 1274539071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, XD < 1274539081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1274539144 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274539252 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274539445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 26.5 C, 70% humidity < 1274539453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stop now. < 1274539464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop what? < 1274539541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no need to fan the flames further < 1274539575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, XD < 1274539589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26.8 C now btw < 1274539602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders getting a huge silca gen bag
< 1274539611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gel* < 1274539676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 C but ony 68% humidity now < 1274539719 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 26.6C and 68% humidity here :P < 1274539734 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 26.8C < 1274539812 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notices AnMaster sitting under his table :o
< 1274539886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1274539955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? do you need to do something special when shutting down when you have mdadm stuff? < 1274539961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like vgchange -a n for lvm < 1274540176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madadmin < 1274540237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, stands for multi disk admin < 1274540268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some such < 1274540269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK < 1274540275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1274540379 0 :marchdown!~marchdown@91.79.37.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274540680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you are looking to install Arch on something more exotic, such as your kerosene-powered cheese grater, please consult http://wiki.archlinux.org" < 1274540691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shown at boot of arch linux < 1274540695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old. < 1274540697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch linux live cd < 1274540700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1274540703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old text, and also a very old joke. NetBSD did it first. < 1274540705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I desire a kerosene-powered cheesegrater. < 1274540706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, probably, never noticed it before < 1274540713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, me too! < 1274540723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheese: TOTALLY AWESOME < 1274540728 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of how much cheese you could grate! < 1274540744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes, bovine byproducts often are < 1274540756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMAGINE: Chicken milk. < 1274540761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have imagined chicken milk < 1274540771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine chicken milk! < 1274540784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1274540814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew, that's disgusting! < 1274540825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? < 1274540839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicken milk, presumably. < 1274540839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken milk < 1274540852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eww < 1274540893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're disgusting! < 1274540907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know! < 1274541065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chickens aren't even mammals! < 1274541123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they tell me < 1274541137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:16:28 used to be functional analysis and dynamical systems < 1274541143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamical, the most redundantest of words < 1274541163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. < 1274541197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in that context < 1274541216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the opposite would be static systems < 1274541222 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statical < 1274541235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should just be "dynamic". < 1274541238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, alligator milk < 1274541249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1274541249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk milk < 1274541254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk... that is milked out of MILK < 1274541256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, cool < 1274541279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive milk... < 1274541281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, void milk. < 1274541305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is used to drive a perpetum mobile < 1274541318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling?)( < 1274541323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/($// < 1274541330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*perpetuum < 1274541346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a type of music, according to WP. < 1274541348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274541351 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1274541361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it is also a perpetual motion machine < 1274541365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1274541400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, at least it is in Swedish < 1274541408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sounds very much like latin < 1274541413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assume it was the same in English < 1274541419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because it is (latin) < 1274541427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "This article is about a musical term. Please see perpetual motion for the physical concept, Perpetuum Mobile (album) for the album, and perpetual motion (disambiguation) for other uses." < 1274541494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english just likes to twist the suffixes around a bit < 1274541504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1274541544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*switch < 1274541636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Det är en evighetsmaskin! < 1274541688 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-135-6-154.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1274541714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hccf-8BYaDg < 1274541715 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~chatzilla@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274541810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sounds familiar < 1274541845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1274541846 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1274542122 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1274542154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels old now
< 1274542161 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel old. < 1274542369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 14 and I feel old! < 1274542500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently esoteric programming accelerates aging. < 1274542511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/aging/ageing/ < 1274542789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274542840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274543015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1274543187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-standard analysis is awesome. < 1274543197 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 17 and I don't feel old. < 1274543214 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently you haven't been doing enough esoteric programming. < 1274543221 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1274543249 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, often, I look at Wikipedia, see some content, and feel like it should be removed. < 1274543253 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case... < 1274543256 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Skip_Day < 1274543294 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION deletes all but the first sentence.
< 1274543343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a deletionist! burn him! < 1274543346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it! < 1274543365 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1274543369 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My edit summary: "Removed some apparent original research and some non-factual content." < 1274543456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1274543781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: You left an empty references section, GJ deletionist < 1274543786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/&¤()/&"(/!#&¤=!"(#/=!)¤ < 1274543797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree! < 1274543798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropped to initram fs root shell < 1274543864 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: eh, stick a "This article doesn't have any references!" template in there and call it good. < 1274543873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just remove the section. < 1274543879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an empty header; that's not good in any situation < 1274543886 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or shrink the "External links" section, thereby making the external link a reference. :P < 1274543892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why? < 1274543905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, couldn't mount / < 1274543905 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, shouldn't that be an "External link" section, since there's only one? < 1274543912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, due to not finding the device < 1274543915 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had that problem. < 1274543922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, due to the initramfs missing the software raid tool < 1274543924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't wolved it... < 1274543951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so now I'm just going to compile my own kernel which won < 1274543955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't* need that crap < 1274543958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a livecd < 1274544025 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, WP:LAY says that it should be plural. < 1274544026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will move laptop and do it over ssh < 1274544028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hot here < 1274544062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see if znc manages the jarring change from eth0 to wlan0 fine or not < 1274544123 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: two Ts in your first name, right? < 1274544138 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1274544143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: I'd like to know why before I answer that :-) < 1274544197 0 :ZeroOne!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1274544204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's public information. < 1274544216 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes that as a "yes".
< 1274544221 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trust me, it's easier to explain this way. :P < 1274544253 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New edit summary: 'Removed empty "References" section. Thanks, Elliott!' < 1274544288 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274544325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1274544336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels vague uncomfortability at being referred to online by eir own name but cannot seem to articulate why after-the-fact
< 1274544348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd appreciate it if you'd answered my question before doing that < 1274544477 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1274544501 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1274544536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(1%2Fa)^n+%3D+a^-n WHAT IS THIS PLOT. < 1274544556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: thanks < 1274544558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1274544565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty conclusive proof it didn't work < 1274544579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like someone doing a really ridiculous drawing < 1274544591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You *don't* want to know < 1274544592 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: wow, that's a really impressive plot. < 1274544601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :D < 1274544623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Implicit plot"? < 1274544626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is that < 1274544634 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried pugging it into Mathematica and seeing if it's insane too? < 1274544640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1274544644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets no less insane with different bounds < 1274544647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's just a plot. < 1274544652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1274544658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice function < 1274544659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case a contour plot < 1274544674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, countour of? < 1274544676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it is true=? < 1274544678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1274544679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=// < 1274544682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ContourPlot[(a^(-1))^n == a^(-n), {a, 0.076, 5.6}, {n, 4.6, 14}] < 1274544685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know why it picked those bounds < 1274544689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it selects something suitably insane < 1274544695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that is awesome < 1274544736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but it says it is true for all positive n and a below < 1274544741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternate form assuming a and n are positive: < 1274544741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1274544752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, well, it's still awesome < 1274544777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so the graph seems to be in error < 1274544786 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess with complex exponentiation, it's not always true. < 1274544798 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since complex exponentiation is a multi-valued function. < 1274544807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it complex though? < 1274544809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, look at the plot though < 1274544817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: contour plot is things like < 1274544817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not complex as far as I can see < 1274544821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2 + y^2 == 1 < 1274544823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plots a circle < 1274544828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right < 1274544850 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: complex exponentiation doesn't have to have complex numbers as arguments. < 1274544917 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With real exponentiation, 1^(1/3) = 1. With complex exponentiation, 1^(1/3) = {1, -1/2 + i sqrt(3)/2, -1/2 - i sqrt(3)/2}. < 1274544926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: True but I don't think it's using complex exponentiation < 1274544930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why would it? < 1274544938 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why not? < 1274544942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[26]:= 1^(1/3) < 1274544942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[26]= 1 < 1274544946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ^ is real exponentiation in Mathematica. < 1274544951 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1274544953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, ah < 1274544968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, you may be right. < 1274545004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure it even has complex exponentiation on non-complexes < 1274545179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what does (1+0i)^(1/3) show (rewrite to mathematica notation as required) < 1274545196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[38]:= x + 0 I < 1274545196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[38]= x < 1274545203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1274545205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[40]:= (1 + 0 I)^(1/3) < 1274545205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[40]= 1 < 1274545215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1274545222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was worth a try at least < 1274545346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[41]:= ComplexExpand[(a + 0 I)^b] < 1274545346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[41]= (a^2)^(b/2) Cos[b Arg[a]] + I (a^2)^(b/2) Sin[b Arg[a]] < 1274545356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe ContourPlot IS using complexes. < 1274545365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[42]:= ComplexExpand[a^b] < 1274545365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[42]= (a^2)^(b/2) Cos[b Arg[a]] + I (a^2)^(b/2) Sin[b Arg[a]] < 1274546042 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274546096 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@67-129-37-226.dia.static.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274546365 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1274546479 0 :Slereah!~jews@ANantes-259-1-59-162.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1274546614 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274547475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover hooves up phantoms. < 1274547524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1274547620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys -- copying 1.8G from one drive to another < 1274547622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long will it take? < 1274547633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would we know? < 1274547645 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a plurality of factors to consider. < 1274547681 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same computer or different? < 1274547707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction: 1.1G < 1274547708 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if different, how are you accessing the files? scp feels like it's slower than max network speed < 1274547711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: Same computer < 1274547719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp is slower because of encryption overhead I think < 1274547723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying to NTFS, from ext < 1274547724 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1274547732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1274547735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might tar it all up first < 1274547739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing though, basically < 1274547750 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also i think that it gets an additional penalty for lots of smaller files < 1274547750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drives are, you know, not so good; not slow, but not fast in any way < 1274547763 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not "small" on a ReiserFS scale, mind you) < 1274547817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wife-killing joke < 1274547883 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i ever make something useful, there may end up being a parent-killing joke as a punchline < 1274547887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar -cjf foo/x.tar foo/ won't recurse, right? < 1274547901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: Is the implication here that you killed your parents? :P < 1274547924 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know... i'd be inclined to test in a smaller folder first < 1274547936 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... not yet, but sometimes i feel like it < 1274547976 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has why he did it ever been asked? < 1274548048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the evidence points strongly to "he was crazy" < 1274548063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She was a mail order bride iirc, and he wanted his kids to play violent video games for the /purpose/ of making them tough -- again iirc < 1274548086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, who are you talking about? < 1274548099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hans Reiser, creator of ReiserFS. < 1274548101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He murdered his wife. < 1274548114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover hooves up phantoms. <-- no he is the ghost of a hoover! < 1274548127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A filesystem created by a serial killer... < 1274548130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Or both. < 1274548136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, could be < 1274548137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No; someone who murders isn't a serial killer. < 1274548139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he created the filesystem first. < 1274548155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ssh! I'm being dramatic! < 1274548163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wired did a really cheesy article where they used vaguely-related snippets of ReiserFS code to illustrate the story. < 1274548177 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you're just asking for it to be possessed. < 1274548178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like loops and stuff that had "metaphorical implications" if you interpret things like "children" literally and whatnot < 1274548210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "mail order bride"? < 1274548225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What it says on the tin < 1274548233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, huh < 1274548238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a crazy idea < 1274548239 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what it means, but not how to explain it < 1274548239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1998, while working in Saint Petersburg, Russia, Hans Reiser reportedly selected from a mail-order bride catalogue,[9] and subsequently married, Nina Sharanova (Нина Шаранова), a Russian-born and trained obstetrician and gynecologist[10] who was studying to become an American licensed OB/GYN. < 1274548242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone want that < 1274548255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Send mail, obtain hot russian, endless sex <-- this is the general theory < 1274548260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get into the States easily. < 1274548264 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obstetrician? < 1274548266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but what do the russian think of it < 1274548268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the part of the bride. < 1274548271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274548273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I imagine they don't give a shit. < 1274548279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the russian in particular. < 1274548280 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: Childbirth and stuff. < 1274548282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, to get into the states. < 1274548286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes < 1274548302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically legalised human trafficking & sex slavery :P < 1274548325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if she was an OB/GYN probably a bit more benign than that. < 1274548344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1274548354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now to copy contents.tar.gz. < 1274548360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Preparing for Ubuntu clean-slate upgrade.) < 1274548365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This install is a bit crufty. < 1274548376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 10.04 is ooh-shiny. And this thing is versions behind; 9.04. < 1274548381 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if she had skills then she was probably getting something out of the deal < 1274548402 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i'm not sure that 10.04 is worth it < 1274548410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reiser has stated that he met Nina when he went to a date set up by a Russian dating service; Nina had come along to translate for his date. They had two children." < 1274548416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So really it was a bit more than your typical mail-order marriage. < 1274548424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: Well, 9.10 definitely is, and no point upgrading to an old version. < 1274548435 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're happy to have "more of the same" while still being newer, then i'd recommend 9.10 < 1274548440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely want to have actually recent software! And 10.04 doesn't seem to have any abject *evil* in it, so... < 1274548455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrading to an old version will not be easy, supported, or, you know, a reasonable thing to do. < 1274548455 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how you define evil < 1274548468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is it you hate, the social networking software or the Yahoo! deal? < 1274548470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the purple? < 1274548472 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default settings leave something to be desired < 1274548491 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the social networking and the default gnome theme (the latter of which is at least changable) < 1274548512 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although gnome-terminal actually had a useful option added < 1274548528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /like/ the new theme. < 1274548535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the social networking apps are just fluff to ignore, like so much of Ubuntu. < 1274548540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind them much. < 1274548545 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :option to set the colour of bold normal text as being different from normal text < 1274548546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 359.96M 43% 12.06MB/s 0:00:37 < 1274548549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is better than I expected! < 1274548586 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using 10.04 as the base system for the LFS install i'm trying to do < 1274548608 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying as in "very trying"... the damn thing crashed while compiling glibc < 1274548618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use slackware or gentoo for something like that < 1274548620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu is too "custom" < 1274548627 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too custom < 1274548628 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1274548639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modifies too much stuff, mostly inherited from debian's culture of extensive patching < 1274548652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway fuck lfs, I have more interesting things to do than make a hard-to-maintain linux distro, maybe if it was a good OS and not linux i'd do it < 1274548664 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not doing it on my main system < 1274548674 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i already know your opinion on lfs < 1274548758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe I've expressed it to you before < 1274548787 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was discussed a couple of weeks ago < 1274548788 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in here < 1274548795 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic raised by me < 1274549093 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274549691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't execute /usr/bin/less: No such file or directory < 1274549691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: command exited with status 255: /usr/bin/less < 1274549694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess cause < 1274549700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less was installed < 1274549706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and worked fine like: less foo < 1274549710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1274549715 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1274549719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not in /usr/bin < 1274549723 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1274549727 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely in /bin < 1274549750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, correct. But that doesn't explain it since /etc/man_db.conf didn't have the path to less < 1274549755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even setting it to /bin didn't work < 1274549757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why? < 1274549762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of your mother. < 1274549766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be tricker to guess < 1274549775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wronn < 1274549778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong* < 1274549782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, very correct < 1274549788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was out in the garden when this happened. so no < 1274549796 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :workaround: symlink so that /usr/bin/less points to /bin/less < 1274549801 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :messy, but it works < 1274549803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, I found the cause < 1274549808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HINT: I was in a chroot < 1274549811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why < 1274549815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that cause it < 1274549834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, any idea? < 1274549845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a one-command fix btw < 1274549847 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... because you don't have a /bin folder in your current... < 1274549853 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, i don't know how chroot does < 1274549863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, unset PAGER fixed it < 1274549864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1274549870 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol? < 1274549874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the host system exported PAGER=/usr/bin/less < 1274549880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was incorrect in the chroot < 1274549882 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah, fun < 1274549904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, livecd based on a different distro than the system I'm trying to get working < 1274549906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh < 1274549907 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i wouldn't have thought of that < 1274549917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, took me a few minutes to figure it out too < 1274549946 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good puzzle < 1274549949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact that editing man_db.conf didn't help made me suspect it *was* something in the environment overriding it < 1274549958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so env | grep less < 1274549977 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't have thought to look at man_db.conf either < 1274549979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some other wtf things in the environment there (wrt chroot that is) < 1274549987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, well I knew that was declared in there < 1274550063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw EDITOR=/bin/nano but in the chroot nano is in /usr/bin < 1274550206 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274550289 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ouch! < 1274550330 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo_ < 1274550333 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my personal opinion is that nano and less should both be in /bin < 1274550335 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1274550348 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because nano is my main text editor < 1274550355 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can see root needing both < 1274550380 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(applying the old logic of /usr being a seperate partition, i know, but...) < 1274550517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, my /usr _is_ a spearate partition < 1274550533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, / is on RAID1, /usr is on lvm2 on RAID1 < 1274550536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and atm I < 1274550546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm* trying to get a kernel able to boot this < 1274550555 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you agree with me that root should have access to an editor that ey know how to use in /bin ? < 1274550595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, I prefer emacs, but can accept nano otherwise < 1274550605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not accept vi < 1274550609 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a personal preference < 1274550618 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever used emacs < 1274550697 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know people in another channel whose primary preference is joe, with nano as the first alternative < 1274550738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel /kernel-current root=/dev/md1 ro < 1274550742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets hope that works < 1274550750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster has basically a religious objection to vi. < 1274550759 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1274550762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically just accept it. < 1274550770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I find myself unable to do anything in it < 1274550773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1274550780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Have you ever considered that might be a problem with you, not vi? < 1274550787 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i know a few people that feel that way about vi < 1274550797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not compatible, get over it < 1274550800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I never claimed it was a vi problem < 1274550818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it was a mutual incompatibility < 1274550829 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... don't you 2 have each other on ignore? < 1274550829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem a bit too hostile about vi for that to be all the story... < 1274550838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, we do from time to time < 1274550840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not currently < 1274550852 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i ask why? < 1274550852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I'm quite happy to use ed < 1274550854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than vi < 1274550867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: I never ignore AnMaster, he's too hilariously idiotic to miss! < 1274550876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that remark will probably make him reinstate his ignore. < 1274550882 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1274550882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you have ignored me in the past < 1274550945 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274550969 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1274551129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO-- < 1274551135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I will upgade. < 1274551138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*upgrade, also. < 1274551145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm debating: gnome or xfce < 1274551150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the sound effects annoying? They change them a lot. < 1274551161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Gnome. XFCE seems nice but then you realise it's quite unpolished and just has a bunch of meh corners. < 1274551168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, update/upgrade what? < 1274551168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both suck, so better to use the more polished turd. < 1274551174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ubuntu from 9.04 to 10.04. < 1274551180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274551189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound effects? < 1274551199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the startup sounds and whatnot. < 1274551204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondering if they're irritating; they change a lot. < 1274551206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh I never turn those on < 1274551211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about fluxbox? < 1274551212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're on by default. < 1274551224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then I guess I turn them off. Along with splash screen < 1274551231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Fluxbox is a bit too "31337"-style. Everything is an annoying right-click menu, and it's fundamentally boring. < 1274551236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only interesting thing: the tabbing stuff. < 1274551239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pekwm has that. < 1274551252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1274551265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there is some fluxbox fan at university < 1274551273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's stupid. < 1274551276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poke him with forks. < 1274551287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why do you assume "he"? < 1274551294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or she, fine. < 1274551298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she indeed < 1274551304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame the sexism of the English language. < 1274551309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1274551312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to say he/she all the time and I forget to use Spivak. < 1274551314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not joking. < 1274551346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hshe? < 1274551367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read this http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html < 1274551370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you haven't already < 1274551374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great article < 1274551375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1274551377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morrow. < 1274551534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting fact: You can turn any poem into an Emily Dickinson poem by inserting a lot of line breaks, capitalising random words and inserting a copious amount of em dashes. < 1274551547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So -- I will Upgrade -- < 1274551550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Linux -- distribution -- < 1274551563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From nine oh four, to ten oh four -- < 1274551569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reboots
< 1274551599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274552067 0 :Dooglass!~banskany_@208.95.113.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274552143 0 :Dooglass!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1274553125 0 :sdorand!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: sdorand < 1274553335 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1274553430 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.3/20100401080539] < 1274554544 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: on the gnome vs xfce choice: i don't know if you're the type who needs to randomly paste shit into a text editor so that you don't forget it while you use the clipboard for other things (something that notepad on windows is well suited to) < 1274554589 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you are, then xfce is a more favourable choice, as mousepad loads a lot faster than gedit does < 1274554590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, what has that got to do with it? < 1274554600 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is less bloated < 1274554608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, I don't use gedit under gnome < 1274554610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use kate < 1274554611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from KDE < 1274554620 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1274554625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is arguably more bloated and has more features < 1274554635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or emacs < 1274554637 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... jedit is bloated < 1274554643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on which language I'm working against < 1274554646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, jeddit? < 1274554653 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java text edit < 1274554656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1274554661 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/or/ < 1274554663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does that have to do with geddit? < 1274554668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or emacs or kate < 1274554674 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jedit is even more bloated than gedit < 1274554683 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know someone who swears by it < 1274554686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274554692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, emacs is not bloated then? < 1274554701 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the only editor he's found that can handle having 900 files open at once < 1274554707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, I mean, I'm using an irc client in emacs atm... < 1274554732 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that doesn't respond to VERSION, evidently < 1274554766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, I filter ctcp apart from CTCP ACTION < 1274554773 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1274554776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, but it is ERC < 1274554795 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... not sure how to respond to that point about emacs < 1274555081 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.70.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274555088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1274555101 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1274555101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I've installed Ubuntu, time to poke it with a rusty stick until it's usable. < 1274555107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!olleH, esila < 1274555120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network meters in XChat: I most definitely do not need those < 1274555131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I liked those back when I used xchat < 1274555132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only a few things I am adamantly certain of in life but that is one of them < 1274555138 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh... i always liked them < 1274555139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, What do you use now? < 1274555144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ERC < 1274555147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew < 1274555150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ew. < 1274555153 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were just talking about that, heh < 1274555156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as you very well know < 1274555163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I forgot. < 1274555170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1274555174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mandating what we talk about in here! < 1274555177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, the first rule of #esoteric. < 1274555186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second rule of #esoteric is not the first rule of #esoteric. < 1274555196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, the first rule of #esoteric is that it is the first rule of #erlang < 1274555197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1274555199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1274555205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab complete channel name sucks < 1274555205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1274555210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked "the first rule of #esoteric is that it is the first rule of #erlang" more < 1274555212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is ais not here? < 1274555214 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1274555221 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as long as there's no esolangs rule 34... < 1274555225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, because is not absent from here < 1274555227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first rule of #erlang is "No mandating what we talk about in #esoteric!". < 1274555230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, AUGH < 1274555237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, just mentioning it invented it < 1274555239 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1274555242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it exists platonically. < 1274555245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not you mention it. < 1274555258 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it violates the principle of rule 34 to hope that it doesn't exist < 1274555259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, computer programmers are lazy, it is created on demand < 1274555265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may not, however, be realised in a physical form in this universe; thus there are no Rule 34 "challenges", just complaints about the latency between these two realms. < 1274555275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the epistemologically and theologically correct way to interpret rule 34. < 1274555289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a Ph.D.) < 1274555295 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know... now i want to write a short story involving a deity who is the "god of rule 34" < 1274555304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the youngest person to have that? < 1274555314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also: a Ph.D. in what < 1274555315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1274555322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rulology. < 1274555325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1274555330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rulololology. < 1274555354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1274555372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.drexel.edu/univrel/drexelink/story.asp?ID=1594&vol=10&num=2 < 1274555376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14-year-old Ph.D. student. < 1274555380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One word: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! < 1274555384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastard. < 1274555387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three words: FUCK. THAT. SHIT. < 1274555390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bitch, actually. < 1274555396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four words: I will destroy her. < 1274555419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is such a phallic vegetable" --a friend, on cucumbers < 1274555442 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: should i ask how old this friend is/ < 1274555444 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1274555455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's studying mathematics at Oxford :P < 1274555474 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he actually experienced a cucumber, though? < 1274555480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's cutting one right now < 1274555498 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't what i meant by "experienced" < 1274555508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1274555509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my. < 1274555519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not shocked by the question, just by the implication that I should ask it. < 1274555526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or already know the answer. < 1274555534 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh < 1274555578 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes, cucumbers are phallic; but i wouldn't recommend them in that way..." < 1274555587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer just back from the source: "No" < 1274555594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a man who has never "experienced" a cucumber. < 1274555603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although the thought did occur to me what it would look like when I went to the checkout with it" < 1274555608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is a shining beacon of intellectuality < 1274555670 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated: http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/42654/1274544726/buickregalgsshowcareatme.jpg < 1274555679 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sfw; nsfh < 1274555692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h? What is h? < 1274555698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not mind, so i-- OH GOD WHAT < 1274555699 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangover < 1274555728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1274555845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Pidgin
< 1274555856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empathy is still crap < 1274555875 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here on using a Mac on Snow Leopard? < 1274555883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I have a Mac on Leopard. < 1274555884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1274555942 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I might be looking for some people to try out an esolang interpreter that im currently working on my Mac < 1274555955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be. I see :P < 1274555973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it OS X-specific? < 1274555975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? And why? < 1274556013 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1274556022 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i just only have my MacBook Pro and then a family windows machine, so im doing it on my mac then gunna get it going on windows < 1274556031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pooppy! Hi! < 1274556035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poiuy_qwert: I can run it on Linux. < 1274556041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's written in C or similar it'll almost certainly work. < 1274556068 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually its fairly high level, but it uses Qt so should be perfectly fine on Linux too < 1274556079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need Qt for an interpreter? < 1274556088 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its for Zetaplex < 1274556091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1274556096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have used SDL. < 1274556111 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just already had some experience with Qt < 1274556126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL is really simple and more suited for graphics work. < 1274556129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt is mostly GUI interfaces. < 1274556137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL will also make the code run more smoothly and easily on Windows, I think. < 1274556145 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know Gammaplex used SDL, and thats why I planned to use before, but I didn't feel like learning it too :X < 1274556153 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274556154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: RAS Syndrome! < 1274556178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DOESN'TMATTER prescriptivist < 1274556193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUI forms a single word, even if it is "actually" composed of multiple words. < 1274556201 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's the A? < 1274556205 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt also had a lot of extra stuff that made it easier to make, like QTcpSocket and their threading stuff. very easy to y < 1274556205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PIN number", "ATM machine", "GUI interface" -- are all perfectly valid. < 1274556207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: Acronym. < 1274556211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redundant Acronym Syndrome syndrome. < 1274556212 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's pointless to add the extra word! < 1274556212 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/y/use/ < 1274556216 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i thought < 1274556226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It increases readability and understandability. < 1274556240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radar ranging. < 1274556244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS LOL RADAR ENDS WITH "RANGING" HAHA < 1274556262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S THAT IT'S CONSIDERED A SINGLE WORD? < 1274556266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[gaspeth] < 1274556267 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1274556289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what :P < 1274556295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's unnecessary. < 1274556305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So's pleasure. < 1274556344 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY! < 1274556421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY OH WHY DOES EVERY GNOME IRC CLIENT SUCK < 1274556458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.drexel.edu/univrel/drexelink/story.asp?ID=1594&vol=10&num=2 <-- wow < 1274556488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yup. < 1274556496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709] < 1274556499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE JEALOUSY IS OVERWHELMING :( < 1274556525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : He is a shining beacon of intellectuality <-- sarcasm or not? < 1274556530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a guess < 1274556579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hard to tell in that context: 1) He's studying mathematics at Oxford :P 2) "Although the thought did occur to me what it would look like when I went to the checkout with it" < 1274556593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to suggest different things < 1274556603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it came right after the latter... I was being sarcastic. < 1274556630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unrelated: http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/42654/1274544726/buickregalgsshowcareatme.jpg <-- wonderful < 1274556646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No; horrific. < 1274556654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nice photoshotp < 1274556658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :photoshop* < 1274556665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad that it isn't real < 1274556710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say... I wonder if there's some sort of e-book reader for Linux that uses high-quality typesetting algorithms like those from TeX. < 1274556720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does all the nice typographic trimmings, etc. < 1274556748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, aren't ebooks generally pdf anyway? < 1274556758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1274556768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what other formats? < 1274556771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some standardish format for them < 1274556780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you get Gutenberg books in some formatted format? < 1274556783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of the silly plain text < 1274556783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, pdf is fairly common though < 1274556793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :images iirc? < 1274556794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1274556807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could be the Swedish equiv. of Gutenberg < 1274556809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext01/2000010ah.htm < 1274556816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gutenberg has HTML, but maybe that's just for some books < 1274556832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually nordic, not just Swedish < 1274556836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://runeberg.org/ < 1274556859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EPUB", also. < 1274556864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is the semi-standard one. < 1274556870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPUB (short for electronic publication; alternatively capitalized as ePub, EPub, or epub, with "EPUB" preferred by the vendor) is a free and open e-book standard by the International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF). Files have the extension .epub. EPUB is designed for reflowable content, meaning that the text display can be optimized for the particular display device. The format is meant to function as a single format that publishers and conversion houses c < 1274556870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an use in-house, as well as for distribution and sale. It supersedes the Open eBook standard.[1] < 1274556876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Gutenberg is an old, old, *old* project. < 1274556878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Free and open < 1274556878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Re-flowable (word wrap) and re-sizable text < 1274556878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Inline raster and vector images < 1274556878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Embedded metadata < 1274556878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * DRM support < 1274556879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * CSS styling < 1274556881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Support for alternative renditions in the same file < 1274556883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Use of out-of-line and inline xml islands to extend the functionality of EPUB < 1274556886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah but i'm meaning "most" books < 1274556899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway not /that/ old, 1971 < 1274556907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't they digitising the OED by then? < 1274556928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still incredibly old in computer-years. < 1274556946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1274556946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they didn't start digitising OED for a few more years, IIRC. < 1274556966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Two fully-bound print editions of the OED have been published under its current name, in 1928 and 1989." < 1274556972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise there were so few editions of the OED. < 1274556996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OED is a bit ridiculous really, you don't need /all/ those words in dead tree. < 1274557009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OED takes ages to prepare. < 1274557055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what I'm saying is that if you had such a wonderful typesetting program, you could make an eBook reader by... hooking it up to an appropriate screen. Job done. < 1274557065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also port it to other mobile devices, etc. < 1274557065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you did before there was internet < 1274557074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was nowhere to look it up then < 1274557082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Have you ever seen a full printing of the OED? < 1274557100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have seen up to and including "advanced learner's edition" or such iirc < 1274557101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for the most pedantic stickler determined to know about every single word used in relevant history, 90% of the OED is useless. < 1274557104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was pretty thich < 1274557107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thick* < 1274557117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The whole thing is... a great many volumes. < 1274557119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how the full OED looks like < 1274557123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, picture? < 1274557130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dictionary's latest, complete print edition (Second Edition, 1989) was printed in 20 volumes, comprising 291,500 entries in 21,730 pages. < 1274557136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1274557140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :photo < 1274557145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't imagine this < 1274557151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mydailycolumn.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/graphics-mdc-oxford-english-dictionary.jpg < 1274557165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book barely fits on a CD. < 1274557177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :540 megabytes < 1274557182 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... that's nearly as big as the Encyclopaedia Britannica < 1274557187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(granted, that's uncompressed *and* with metadata) < 1274557192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's aiming for absolute mass... < 1274557195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it failed! < 1274557202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal" is a bigger dictionary. < 1274557214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Published, in parts, 1863-1998. < 1274557216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's aiming for comprehensive treatment of English. < 1274557230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Beyond comprehensive. < 1274557233 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is interested in Tremulous again
< 1274557235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's aiming for fanatical treatment. < 1274557245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even religious treatment. Obsessive-compulsive treatment. < 1274557323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maverick Meerkat? < 1274557325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitty name! < 1274557347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1274557363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update: Apparently the cucumber was "distinctly unsatisfying". < 1274557382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^_^ < 1274557399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw male or female? < 1274557402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure in which sense he meant this. < 1274557407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just answered AnMaster's question < 1274557411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274557480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: do you own the E.B.? < 1274557500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, which edition? < 1274557592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, does the OED just define the words or does it also describe what they mean=? < 1274557602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define as in listing with gramatical info < 1274557607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Describe, of course. < 1274557611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1274557615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the condensed OEDs have nothing added to the OED. < 1274557620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just cutting downs. < 1274557628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have comprehensive etymology. < 1274557642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The longest entry in the OED2 was for the verb set, which required 60,000 words to describe some 430 senses. As entries began to be revised for the OED3 in sequence starting from M, the longest entry became make in 2000, then put in 2007." < 1274557656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then there is some pretty heavy Swedish such. So heavy they only finished to to t (iirc). Started over 100 years ago < 1274557665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Name? < 1274557674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Svenska Akademins Ordbok < 1274557685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not same as Svenska Adademins Ordlista) < 1274557694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Contemporary beliefs about race and ethnicity are included in the Encyclopedia's articles. For example, the entry for "Negro" states, "Mentally the negro is inferior to the white... the arrest or even deterioration of mental development [after adolescence] is no doubt very largely due to the fact that after puberty sexual matters take the first place in the negro's life and thoughts."[4] The article about the American War of Independence attributes the su < 1274557694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccess of the United States in part to "a population mainly of good English blood and instincts".[5] < 1274557696 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: My school library does < 1274557709 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno which edition; haven't seen it in a while < 1274557717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Many articles are now factually outdated, in particular those on science, technology, international and municipal law, and medicine. For example, the article on the vitamin deficiency disease beriberi speculates that it is caused by a fungus, vitamins not having been discovered at the time. Articles about geographic places mention rail connections and ferry stops in towns that today no longer employ such transport. < 1274557745 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds likely; it's pretty old < 1274557754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Encyclopedia Americana" x_x < 1274557763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's still updated; that's only one edition. < 1274557767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was first published in the 1700s. < 1274557788 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1274557796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, when was the last edition? < 1274557810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Present day. < 1274557822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that no longer has texts like that above I presume? < 1274557827 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo_ < 1274557829 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1274557851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1274557855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a modern encyclopedia. < 1274557861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit rubbish nowadays, but there you go. < 1274558362 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1274558393 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-242-210.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1274558676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1274558688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :package gnome did not depend on xorg-server < 1274558699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that does make kind of sense < 1274558709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems somewhat strange still < 1274558747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only needs the libraries. < 1274558759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can use a server on another system just fine. < 1274558787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 10.04 is frighteningly polished. < 1274558790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could this OS actually become usable? < 1274558811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only words that occur to me are "surely not". < 1274558989 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274558999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next version of Ubuntu will, inevitably, do something absolutely retarded like use a very buggy repository release of Pulseaudio. < 1274559008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1274559026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey... this is quite nice. < 1274559059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1274559071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TERMINAL IS TRANSPARENT BY DEFAULT WHY WHY < 1274559080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so not perfect then < 1274559082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY PEOPLE WHO DON'T ACTUALLY USE THEIR TERMINAL MAKE IT TRANSPARENT < 1274559084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also *shudder* < 1274559089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's Ubuntu. Of course it's not perfect. < 1274559095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so change the setting < 1274559105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying!! < 1274559121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ONLY PEOPLE WHO DON'T ACTUALLY USE THEIR TERMINAL MAKE IT TRANSPARENT <-- says a lot about ubuntu < 1274559129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done < 1274559140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not really, because the theme will have been created by graphics designers. < 1274559145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who, you know, don't generally use terminals. < 1274559157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, graphics designers.... < 1274559166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THEMES AND GUIs? < 1274559173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KEEP THEM AWAY FROM IT < 1274559194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Would you prefer to have a programmer do it? < 1274559197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway I will continue to use clearlooks + old gnome icon theme < 1274559204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes. twm isn't too bad at all < 1274559212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1274559218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a graphics designer/human-computer interaction/typography specialist is who you want to do it. < 1274559220 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: mine is transparent < 1274559221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: On the other hand, CDE hurts. < 1274559231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, okay good point < 1274559239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: In other words, you want a UI designer to do it. :) < 1274559243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics designer so that it's pleasing on the eye, human-computer interaction expert for incredibly obvious reasons, and typography to present the information well. < 1274559249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, yeah. Exactly. < 1274559251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity that those hardly even exist. < 1274559269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Emacs, thus directly contributing to the nonexistence of UI designers
< 1274559278 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1274559280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, :D < 1274559307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, thought the same would apply to vi(m) < 1274559311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would, yes. < 1274559317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though, I think. < 1274559322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I like this purple colour. < 1274559325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much better than the orange. < 1274559331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange? < 1274559334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange where? < 1274559341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The orange/brown of past Ubunti. < 1274559344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274559358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is on a blue ubuntu (no, not kubuntu)
< 1274559365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just no logo in sight anywhere) < 1274559370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's now purple-background with beigey-yellow window colours and dark brown/dark greyish window decoration. < 1274559376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus dark grey menus. < 1274559378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice. < 1274559387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I prefer very light colours personally < 1274559387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something new for a change. < 1274559406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So do I but the light version of this theme is hideous and I don't like the other light Gnome themes) < 1274559412 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like it if it wasn't a dark theme < 1274559416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, clearlooks? < 1274559416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a light background would perk this up just fine. < 1274559420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No thanks. < 1274559425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used Clearlooks for months now but not happily < 1274559429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is wrong with clearlooks? < 1274559429 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't think they work as well as they should do... < 1274559438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is unobtrusive < 1274559453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find it very usable. < 1274559460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in what way? < 1274559478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For various reasons I find this theme more easily usable, because the menus are better-highlighted, there aren't copious borders everywhere cluttering up the interface, and the default colours are a lot easier on the eyes. < 1274559487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just find it more pleasant to use. < 1274559515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntuers intersect Emacsers: emacs-snapshot-gtk or emacs23? < 1274559563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I prefer stable one in general < 1274559572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what emacs-snapshot-gtk is < 1274559578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this laptop is still jaunty < 1274559579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From trunk, but Emacs trunk never breaks. < 1274559584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(update planned to june) < 1274559595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Debian/Ubuntu would never ship a broken emacs-snapshot anyway. < 1274559595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it doesn't? It broke on me before < 1274559602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A /lot/ of people use that package. < 1274559605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but true < 1274559616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian or ubuntu wouldn't ship broken versions < 1274559654 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1274559675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loads up HAKMEM to have a little browse.
< 1274559731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch, their ASCII mathematical notation is unreadable :) < 1274559774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! They have results obtained with MATHLAB in there -- the first ever CAS! < 1274559779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1274559798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, HAKMEM? < 1274559815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You /don't know what HAKMEM is/? < 1274559817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Stab him. < 1274559818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1274559846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Only one of the most influential and awesome MIT A.I. Lab notes. Circa 1972, it contains many pieces of apocrypha, algorithms, neat tricks, anecdotes, properties, solutions, and, well, everything. < 1274559848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/hakmem/hakmem.html < 1274559870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HAKMEM is notable as an early compendium of algorithmic technique, particularly for its practical bent, and as an illustration of the wide-ranging interests of AI Lab people of the time, which included almost anything other than AI research." < 1274559875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wikipedia < 1274559875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1274559876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics include the "bananananananana..." problem with letter-based Markov chains, algorithms for calculating all kinds of stuff, < 1274559886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots and lots of random interesting mathematics, < 1274559898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :games and stuff, ideas for computer programs, < 1274559911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and machine-specific hardware hacks. < 1274559921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs everyone
< 1274559933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Problem 95 Solve chess < 1274559933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Problem 96 Solve Go < 1274559939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without ambition, either. < 1274559941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[PROBLEM 95: < 1274559941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solve chess. There are about 10^40 possible positions; in most of them, one side is hopelessly lost. < 1274559941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM 96: < 1274559941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solve Go. About 10^170 positions.]] < 1274559976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway if you can get past the hideous ASCIImathematics (it's not linear, it's just really ugly 2D notation) it's a joy to read. < 1274559998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, example of the notation? < 1274560004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of famous figures referred to in it < 1274560024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ==== K K < 1274560024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ (-1) (delta A0) < 1274560024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A0 - A1 + A2 - ... = > ----------------- < 1274560024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : / K+1 < 1274560024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ==== 2 < 1274560024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : K < 1274560026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ==== < 1274560028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : K \ K-m < 1274560030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where (DELTA A0) = > BINOMIAL(K, m) (-1) Am = Kth forward difference on A0) < 1274560032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : / < 1274560034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ==== < 1274560036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m=0 < 1274560041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ugh*. < 1274560044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1274560045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1274560047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /===\ < 1274560047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ! ! 2 < 1274560047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ! ! (ROOT - ROOT ) = square of determinant whose i,j element is < 1274560047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ! ! i j < 1274560047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i < j < 1274560047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank $diety for TeX < 1274560049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i-1 < 1274560050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROOT . < 1274560053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : j < 1274560061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but still, you gotta admire these guys for typesetting non-trivial mathematics like that. < 1274560072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, after all, done on a PDP in the 70s. < 1274560076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: True. That's pretty dang hard to do in ASCII. < 1274560087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In work on education at our lab, we built a motorized "turtle" controlled by computer commands in the child-oriented language "Logo".]] < 1274560093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly when you consider that the whole idea of a *visual editor* was relatively new. < 1274560106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest, though, they should have just handwritten it like so: < 1274560106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/hakmem/Item187I.gif < 1274560121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the formulas were designed for snarfing into other stuff, I suspect, while doing that with the diagram would be patently impossible in the 70s. < 1274560133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or got Knuth to invent TeX a bit faster. < 1274560148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could have given it in linear, computerised notation + a drawing of the mathematical notation. < 1274560187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proving that short programs are neither trivial nor exhausted yet, there is the following: < 1274560187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/ TLCA 1,1(1) < 1274560187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/ see below < 1274560187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/ ROT 1,9 < 1274560187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/ JRST 0 < 1274560188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a display hack (that is, it makes pretty patterns) with the low 9 bits = Y and the 9 next higher = X; also, it makes interesting, related noises with a stereo amplifier hooked to the X and Y signals. Recommended variations include: < 1274560191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CHANGE: GOOD INITIAL CONTENTS OF 1: < 1274560193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : none 377767,,377767; 757777,,757757; etc. < 1274560195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : TLC 1,2(1) 373777,,0; 300000,,0 < 1274560197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : TLC 1,3(1) -2,,-2; -5,,-1; -6,,-1 < 1274560199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ROT 1,1 7,,7; A0000B,,A0000B < 1274560201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ROTC 1,11 ;Can't use TLCA over data. < 1274560203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AOJA 1,0 < 1274560205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So interesting to see the very theoretical mathematics juxtaposed with dirty PDP tricks. < 1274560210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was in the AI Lab back then... and born. < 1274560223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much awesomeness was happening then. < 1274560224 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274560231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The myth that any given programming language is machine independent is easily exploded by computing the sum of powers of 2. < 1274560231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * If the result loops with period = 1 with sign +, you are on a sign-magnitude machine. < 1274560231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * If the result loops with period = 1 at -1, you are on a twos-complement machine. < 1274560231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * If the result loops with period > 1, including the beginning, you are on a ones-complement machine. < 1274560231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * If the result loops with period > 1, not including the beginning, your machine isn't binary -- the pattern should tell you the base. < 1274560234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * If you run out of memory, you are on a string or Bignum system. < 1274560235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * If arithmetic overflow is a fatal error, some fascist pig with a read-only mind is trying to enforce machine independence. But the very ability to trap overflow is machine dependent. < 1274560238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By this strategy, consider the universe, or, more precisely, algebra: < 1274560240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let X = the sum of many powers of two = ...111111 < 1274560242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now add X to itself; X + X = ...111110 < 1274560245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, 2X = X - 1 so X = -1 < 1274560246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore algebra is run on a machine (the universe) which is twos-complement. < 1274560303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That uses the sum of powers of two = -1 result :-) < 1274560458 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1274560983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1274560983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : / < 1274560983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [ 1 < 1274560983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : K(m) = I ------------------------- dt < 1274560983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ] 2 2 < 1274560983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : / sqrt((1 - t ) (1 - m t )) < 1274560985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1274560988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they use such strange ASCII notation for big symbols? < 1274561009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274561294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh; this video driver is wonky. < 1274561488 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274561529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, alise, I've been thinking about the c signal thing. < 1274561533 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-135-6-154.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1274561558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to have signals that travel at c but stop, but they have to be subject to some restrictions. < 1274561599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh? < 1274561600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you there < 1274561605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/ < 1274561620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1274561628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a nvidia card? < 1274561633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the distance left to go has to be encoded into the first row of cells. < 1274561634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1274561640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not :( < 1274561657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my onboard video card is ATi, and I'm too lazy to get an Nvidia card. < 1274561668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, but, I need help with a driver. < 1274561674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eh, it's alright. The free software drivers for ATi cards don't suck too bad. < 1274561689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Nvidia in the past. < 1274561693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaddya need help with? < 1274561767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the "current" nvidia drivers, but I can switch to versions 96 and 173. < 1274561780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Emacs 23, after a while, text distorts with random lines and stuff. < 1274561791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty soon the actual typed text becomes incomprehensible blobs of random black and white. < 1274561792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halp. < 1274561823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1274561845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Ubuntu default to Nouveau drivers? < 1274561866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://imgur.com/D7aCd.png < 1274561871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but those distorted every single piece of text. < 1274561875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I thought was significantly worse. < 1274561882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1274561897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never ever ever seen that behavior with official Nvidia drivers. < 1274561911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor me < 1274561920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my desktop is nvidia < 1274561929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a shitty onboard nvidia card btw. < 1274561931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that recent. < 1274561938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if disabling Compiz would help. < 1274561941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nvidia's drivers for Linux are very well-tested. Same drivers used for Windows, in fact. < 1274561948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This didn't happen in 9.04, by the way. < 1274561952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they interact with kernels via an abstraction layer) < 1274561958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm wondering if downgrading might help; they may have done changes without testing old low-end models. < 1274561966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Try it. < 1274561971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, only Emacs does this. < 1274561972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems plausible. < 1274561974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Requires a reboot, so... < 1274561977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reluctant :P < 1274561983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could just restart X. < 1274561986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But defying Ubuntu is Unwise. < 1274561990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbuntu. < 1274561993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I use 173 series drivers, not the last ones there. For other bugs < 1274562001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lockup with DVI bugs < 1274562003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be specific < 1274562005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do that, then. < 1274562036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, completely different bug though < 1274562047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also you need something that supports your card < 1274562092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This didn't happen in 9.04, by the way. <-- what about 9.10? < 1274562123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has never graced this machine. < 1274562171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how comes? < 1274562228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just didn't upgrade. It's an old machine. < 1274562313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1274562313 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1274562523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. I just looked at shish.c again. < 1274562532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goodness that was crazy code. < 1274562717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1274562724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, link? < 1274562756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/QcPH < 1274562770 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs to be built with -nostdlib < 1274562779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And x86 only. < 1274562890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what does it do?= < 1274562895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=// < 1274562897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shell. < 1274562900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274562914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it... work? < 1274562920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely. < 1274562953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it some time ago... < 1274562973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was written a while back. < 1274563181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does x86_64 work? < 1274563208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1274563220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shish.c:57: error: �__NR_waitpid� undeclared (first use in this function) < 1274563221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shish.c:57: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once < 1274563221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shish.c:57: error: for each function it appears in.) < 1274563222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1274563239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt -m32 will help with THAT < 1274563242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows < 1274563250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the header files I need < 1274563252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 32-bit ones < 1274563292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well yes maybe but more importantly is that int $0x80 doesn't work to do a system call on x86_64 linux afaik < 1274563302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1274563329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is syscall or nothing iirc < 1274563331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my string comparison trick might not work either. < 1274563345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you wrote it!? < 1274563360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* shit shell -- Copyright Jeffry Johnston, Josiah Worcester 2010. License: GNU GPLv3 */ < 1274563362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, I am one of the two authors. < 1274563362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least partly. < 1274563367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Worcestershire < 1274563369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1274563374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Josiah. < 1274563377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274563379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeffry is calamari. < 1274563380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Josiah "pikhq" Worcester < 1274563386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"Pik Headquarters" < 1274563388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1274563432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johnston? Not Johnson? < 1274563435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So I was 8, into Pokemon, and trying to make a website when I first started having screennames... < 1274563437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo? < 1274563452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeffry is a typo too. < 1274563455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1274563458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His name is one big typo. < 1274563464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeffry Johnston is correct. < 1274563474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct as in "dear parents why god why" correct. < 1274563481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wait, what does pikhq have to do with pokemans? < 1274563486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, XD < 1274563490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pik->pikachu < 1274563494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :D < 1274563503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your name is pronounced like "pikachu"? < 1274563506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I never knew! < 1274563516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Pik-etch-kyuu. Yes. < 1274563518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never new q -> chu. < 1274563523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*knew < 1274563533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful < 1274563535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pika: Mind if I call you pika? < 1274563539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1274563542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would pika-pikAA be better? < 1274563562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: XD < 1274563562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch my mouth, these smilies hurt < 1274563588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :raihq < 1274563590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. I was 8, and I'm too lazy to change my nickname. < 1274563604 0 :raihq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I evolved from you. < 1274563607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's freaking been 12 years now. I think it's just stuck. < 1274563614 0 :raihq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POKEMON: Totally how evolution really works. < 1274563622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raihq: You bastard, finding a thunderstone. < 1274563632 0 :raihq!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pihq < 1274563637 0 :pihq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diminutive am I. < 1274563648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Pichu. < 1274563653 0 :pihq!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1274563655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alisian am I. < 1274563671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid my nickname is pretty much stuck in a similar way < 1274563686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster unfortunately refuses to become an hero. -- example usage. < 1274563711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an h" always hurts to look at. < 1274563727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is your name alise? < 1274563740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's "a hero". < 1274563748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Trolling is a art. < 1274563752 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quote Eddie Izzard: < 1274563764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In other words, you fail hard. < 1274563788 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You say 'erb', we say 'herb', because there's a fucking h in it." < 1274563794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay 1:45. Perfect < 1274563815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm 45:1 rather I guess < 1274563816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You truly are oblivious, aren't you? < 1274563820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway: An honour killing. < 1274563825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1274563828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo GTFO QED < 1274563832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oblivious to what? < 1274563837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "an hero" is intentional. < 1274563842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK. < 1274563845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I repeat: an honour killing. < 1274563848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: See, that usage of "an" doesn't hurt because the "h" is unpronounced. < 1274563854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was rebutting: < 1274563856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "You say 'erb', we say 'herb', because there's a fucking h in it." < 1274563857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is! < 1274563864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a fucking "h" in "honour". < 1274563865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nough. < 1274563869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's "an honour killing". < 1274563879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: STOP ASSUMING THAT ENGLISH SPELLING IS SANE. < 1274563880 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You say "haa nur"? < 1274563886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1274563889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU FIRST < 1274563894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: STOP WHINING ABOUT STUFF, PRESCRIPTIVIST < 1274563904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MADE THAT WORD UP. < 1274563920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, when measuring gear ratio, if you are gearing down relative the motor, is it 1:45 or 45:1 ? < 1274563933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: My expert opinion is that it is 45:1. < 1274563948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay then < 1274563957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY 45:1 is the perfect gear ratio! < 1274563961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1274563963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly 1:phi is. < 1274563968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or phi:1. < 1274563981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well blame lego for making the wrong engine speeds then < 1274563994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the perfect gear ratio for this application < 1274564021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to turn the turn table of the panohead for the camera < 1274564028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An analogous distinction to that of "a" and "an" was once present for possessive determiners as well. For example, "my" and "thy" became "mine" and "thine" before a vowel, as in "mine eyes". This usage is now obsolete." < 1274564035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... That usage is obsolete? < 1274564043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly never realised. < 1274564066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, who would say "mine eyes"? < 1274564068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, lots of "obsolete" things are used for humourous effect. < 1274564070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "my eyes" < 1274564072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I would. < 1274564081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sounds archaic < 1274564093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq also says thou and such :P < 1274564093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It < 1274564101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yes < 1274564103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s an *unintentional* archaicism from me, though. < 1274564104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "good morrow < 1274564105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1274564112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, but I'm *aware* that that's archaic. < 1274564116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds extremely archaic < 1274564118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ^ < 1274564124 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "heaven forfend" a lot. < 1274564128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Archaicisms amuse me. < 1274564136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what does that even mean? < 1274564149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ~= "heaven forbid". < 1274564153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will begin saying anno domino bricks
< 1274564173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION actually does say anno domini
< 1274564194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1274564205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i nådens år! < 1274564205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also says etc. as et cetra with a hard 'c', because Church Latin sucks
< 1274564213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure how to translate that) < 1274564227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the Year of our Lord"? < 1274564258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, google translate suggests "in the year of grace" but I suspect your suggestion is better < 1274564264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was used in English up until about the 1800s) < 1274564269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though google is more literal < 1274564276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but same meaning as what you suggested < 1274564295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the Declaration of Independence is dated "1776, in the Year of our Lord" < 1274564298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is extremely archaic in Swedish < 1274564321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had a somewhat formal tone to it even then, though. < 1274564547 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274564564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* pikhq also says etc. as et cetra with a hard 'c', because Church Latin sucks < 1274564572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh, we all know "etc." is pronounced "and c"! < 1274564637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So you too know that the ampersand is a ligature of et. < 1274564652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually uncapable of writing it until I learned that. < 1274564704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prettiest ampersands are written like that. < 1274564718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vulgar & form in which that almost certainly just displayed is hideous. < 1274564733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's one I particularly like: http://www.merton.ox.ac.uk/images/indexquote.jpg < 1274564740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also like the regular Et versions. < 1274564764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Whenever I typeset "etc.", I set "&c." in an italic font with an ampersand that closely resembles Et. < 1274564773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice results. < 1274564781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, don't you mean incapable? < 1274564800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, yes I do. < 1274564839 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah. I write it as a ligature because I really have no clue how you're supposed to write the more typical form. < 1274564843 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274564847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do it, it just looks ugly. < 1274564857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thel ligature looks nice. < 1274564877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the best way to handwrite & is a curly E with two sticks at top and bottom, but the Et form is certainly the prettiest and it's the one I use even though my handwriting is atrocious (like that of a three year old's). < 1274564895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no desire to improve my handwriting, though, because, um, it doesn't fucking matter. < 1274564905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn Chinese, and your handwriting shall improve! :P < 1274564974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As will my ability to communicate with people in fascist countries! < 1274564996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mostly unrecognised ones! < 1274565003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hi there!" "Hi!" "JUNE FOURTH INCIDENT LOL (runs away)" < 1274565006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if your have a & that is bound together at a top the best way is the form the lower curve then continue with the upper < 1274565022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Republic of China is certainly not fascist, but not exactly recognised by most nations) < 1274565024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symbol on my keyboard is bound together like that < 1274565031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symbol in this font is not < 1274565040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :South Korea seems to be the sanest of that block of countries. < 1274565054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with Japan. < 1274565062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why did I forget about Japan?) < 1274565077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, because manga and anime aren't sane? ;P < 1274565084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also what about ROC? < 1274565092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to PRC < 1274565105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like surrounding countries don't inherit some of the manga/anime culture. < 1274565115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1274565124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it's not something I'd call "insane"; I'd call Japanese culture fucked up for entirely different reasons < 1274565131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as... their entire attitude to sex. < 1274565142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Taiwan is better than China but not by /that/ much. < 1274565170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What, you're not going to go for Japanese nationalism as what's really fucked up about it? < 1274565182 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: laptop work ensues < 1274565187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is fucked up about the view on sex+ < 1274565192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/ < 1274565217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: They have a very, very stifled and prudish attitude towards sex -- which just means that closeted perversion is the norm. < 1274565225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Japanese marriage isn't so very nice either. < 1274565241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274565250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: (This also results in strange things such as having hentai manga not actually making you a complete social outcast.) < 1274565259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1274565271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm serious; people have it on the train. < 1274565277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, well, yes, that too. < 1274565286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about nintendo love hotel? < 1274565293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and love hotels in general... < 1274565312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Love hotels are both the result of perversion *and* just a fairly simple practical need... < 1274565329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dense population makes reasonable amounts of privacy when having sex hard. < 1274565337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I love Nintendo's history! < 1274565338 0 :ws!wswieb@akson.sgh.waw.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1274565340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, closeted perversion + hentai on the train OK... doesn't add up < 1274565347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, it doesn't, does it. < 1274565350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly with children. < 1274565351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you it was fucked up. < 1274565375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nintendo: [1889] Handmade card company --> cab company & love hotel --> video games [2010] < 1274565387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabs too? < 1274565392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1274565393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and a TV network. < 1274565396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did the continue with the cards during that time? < 1274565399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They still have the card company, I think. < 1274565401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they tried to sell instant rice -- like instant noodles. < 1274565407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1274565414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Nintendo continues to manufacture playing cards in Japan[11] and organizes its own contract bridge tournament called the "Nintendo Cup".[12]]] < 1274565419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl urg < 1274565424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've ventured out into a fairly large number of things. < 1274565445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they run the Seattle Mariners. < 1274565449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I hate Nintendo. Why? Super Mario Galaxy. < 1274565470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You complete the game, it's easy. Now you do all the levels you didn't do, including the single most evil level of any video game ever created: Luigi's Purple Coins (YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW). < 1274565481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you play the entire game again, including boss level, as Luigi, who jumps and moves differently. < 1274565499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, did I mention? Before Luigi you do the boss level again. < 1274565502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you finish off all the levels you didn't do as Luigi. < 1274565507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you do the boss level for the fourth and final time. < 1274565517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you get one shitty, small congratulation world that you can do in five minutes and is not much at all. < 1274565519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it as both Luigi and Mario. < 1274565523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada, you now hate life. < 1274565556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not do 100% completion on games. It isn't worth it. < 1274565569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except *possibly* Mario 64? < 1274565572 0 :bughi!~bughi@86.58.48.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274565706 0 :bughi!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1274565820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nothing else to play at the unit, though. < 1274565821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less. < 1274565834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Mario Kart, which is only fun if you have a good opponent and haven't played the same levels over and over already. < 1274565908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah. < 1274565950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, they'd frown on, say, hacking the Wii so you could have Super Mario World going? < 1274565956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you even bring stuff of your own? < 1274566077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Probably. < 1274566081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't own a Wii, or any Wii games. < 1274566089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1274566104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274566200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, there's a tex2mail. < 1274566202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You'd hate that. :-) < 1274566212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit crappy, though: < 1274566213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@ehird-desktop:~/research/2010-05$ perl tex2mail < 1274566214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$zeta(s) = \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^s}, \quad Re(s) > 1.$$ < 1274566214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1274566214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \~~ oo1 < 1274566214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zeta(s) = > --, Re(s) > 1. < 1274566214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /__ n=1 s < 1274566216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : n < 1274566230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things it handles better: < 1274566232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@ehird-desktop:~/research/2010-05$ perl tex2mail < 1274566232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$\int x^m (\ln x)^n\; dx < 1274566232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := \frac{x^{m+1}}{m+1} < 1274566232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \cdot \sum_{i=0}^n (-1)^i \frac{(n)_i}{(m+1)^i} (\ln x)^{n-i}$$ < 1274566232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1274566233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m+1 (n) < 1274566235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,- m n x \~~ n i i n-i < 1274566237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | x (ln x) dx = ---- . > (-1) ------ (ln x) < 1274566239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -' m+1 /__ i=0 i < 1274566241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (m+1) < 1274566301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Except *possibly* Mario 64 <-- almost worth it there < 1274566303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1274566320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's at least amusing most of the way. < 1274566359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you can't ride on yoshi though < 1274566360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1274566377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could, it would *definitely* be worth it. < 1274566380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freaking Yoshi! < 1274566389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1274566418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also that wet-dry land thing where you have to go into that town thingy is freaking annoying < 1274566439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one were you adjust water levels < 1274566441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, I just realised something. < 1274566445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roff is actually... pretty good. < 1274566455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nroff? groff? troff? < 1274566471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the language itself, but let's just say groff. < 1274566478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274566479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eqn is also pretty okay for doing mathematics in roff. < 1274566488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is pretty annoying IMO < 1274566493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much worse than TeX < 1274566494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the excuse for < 1274566500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIX being developed is not terrible. < 1274566501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1274566519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ? < 1274566520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well; getting *funded* and developed) < 1274566542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.nr PS 12 < 1274566542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.nr PO 1i < 1274566542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.nr LL 6.5i < 1274566542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.TL < 1274566542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howdy doody < 1274566542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.AU < 1274566544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hird < 1274566546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.LP < 1274566548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally bitchin'. < 1274566550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything abhorrent about that. < 1274566554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, manpage roff is an abomination. < 1274566558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But -ms is... just fine... < 1274566563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ms? < 1274566571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: UNIX was made to play a game. Then, AT&T wanted a typesetting system. So, they made one for UNIX and claimed the whole thing as the typesetting system. < 1274566573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The general paper/article writing command set. < 1274566573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and man page roff is the only roff I know < 1274566580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Different macro sets. < 1274566588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, eqn's input format is actually more legible than TeX's: < 1274566592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ... which game? < 1274566592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum from {k=1} to N {k sup 2} < 1274566597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Spacewars < 1274566604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Spacewar! < 1274566617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... is that the one where you have two opponents= < 1274566628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1274566638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not the one < 1274566713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha wow, nroff even handles EQN equations < 1274566723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1274566724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The basic gameplay of Spacewar! involves two armed spaceships called "the needle" and "the wedge" attempting to shoot one another while maneuvering in the gravity well of a star. The ships fired missiles that were unaffected by gravity (due to a lack of processing time)" < 1274566734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is the one I was thinking about < 1274566978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION typesets the definition of the zeta function with eqn and groff
< 1274566988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know... the HAKMEM authors had no excuse. < 1274567004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a perfectly cromulent typesetting system available to them -- they just didn't like Unix. :-) < 1274567005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah... < 1274567055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[*z](s) = sum from {n = 1} to inf { 1 over {n sup s} } < 1274567057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ Not hard. < 1274567081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can actually be simplified to: < 1274567084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274567087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[*z](s) = sum from n=1 to inf {1 over n sup s} < 1274567102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1274567103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[*z](s) = sum n=1 to inf {1 over n sup s} < 1274567393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, and did I mention? < 1274567399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: EQN invented the $...$ notation. < 1274567400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do < 1274567401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.EQ < 1274567402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delim $$ < 1274567402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.EN < 1274567404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can say < 1274567416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let $alpha sub i$ be the primary variable, and let $beta$ be zero. Then we can show that $x sub 1$ is $>=0$. < 1274567426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it can even handle inline sums, etc. < 1274567433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing invented TeX before Knuth! < 1274567606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about TeX line break algorithm? < 1274567612 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1274567624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun thing... fsck sda1 vs. fsck /dev/sda1 < 1274567625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groff has good justification (it was used for lost of articles and such) < 1274567628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former shows help < 1274567632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite as mathematically perfect as TeX, but just fine. < 1274567635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second does what you expect < 1274567636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1274567638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And roff is more modular: < 1274567643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hackbot is missing < 1274567649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eqn is an entirely separate program to all the roffs. < 1274567656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It generates the relevant roff instructions. < 1274567713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : .EQ < 1274567714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : delim $$ < 1274567714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : .EN < 1274567719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you don't include that < 1274567725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the delimiters then= < 1274567731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1274567735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None by default. < 1274567749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so why did it invent $$ then? < 1274567756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it just a common choice of letter? < 1274567758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's included in the manual. < 1274567767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274567777 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274567809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, it lets you use actual tabs to space out stuff. < 1274567846 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1274568118 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1274568300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1274568377 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im all spaced out < 1274568490 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1274568570 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1274568679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1274568717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1274568724 0 :Guest27685!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1274568724 0 :Guest27685!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274568732 0 :Guest27685!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jcp < 1274568751 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo < 1274568768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *hackego < 1274569032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: No; someone who murders isn't a serial killer. < 1274569044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the series was abrupted cancelled after the first episode < 1274569048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*abruptly < 1274569105 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which series < 1274569130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reiser series < 1274569167 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1274569196 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1274569199 0 :tombom_!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1274569202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders whether to include more context in his log quotes in the future. Nah.
< 1274569209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, nah < 1274569299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, but what do the russian think of it < 1274569308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/jfjfa/zeta.pdf A test of groff+eqn, and the code generating it: http://pastie.org/972803.txt?key=7lsbxeagajpofaixjsn5ya < 1274569309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ^ < 1274569323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :russia has an extreme shortage of men, that may have something to do with it too < 1274569329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy? Yep... pretty easy. < 1274569345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people say roff is all incomprehensible dots and backslashes. < 1274569375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: extreme? "Russia has always suffered from a shortage of men relative to the number of women (currently men make up only 44% of the total population)." < 1274569384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shortage, but extreme? < 1274569527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell (\(.)->('H':).('i':).(' ':).('r':).('o').('f':))(.)"f" < 1274569561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1274569593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell (\(.)->('H':).('i':).(' ':).('r':).('o':).('f':))(.)"f" < 1274569595 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hi roff" < 1274569634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok could need more backslashes < 1274569647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdalambdalambda < 1274569952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, it exists platonically. < 1274569964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing involving rule 34 can exist platonically, sheesh < 1274569970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Platonic sex! < 1274570920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zaidwaqi.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/mathinputpanel.png < 1274570929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. The first useful Windows 7 feature is discovered. < 1274570966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:25:18 I never new q -> chu. < 1274570977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that approximately what it is in pinyin? < 1274571032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the dynasty from which the western word "china" is derived is now spelled Qin < 1274571081 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: q in pinyin is a ch-like sound < 1274571085 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pinyin also has ch < 1274571094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the chinese themselves prefer the Han dynasty, since Qin was a book-burning despotism < 1274571098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1274571101 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they differ slightly in the shape and position of the tongue < 1274571201 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1274571590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: As do the rest of the CJK languages. < 1274572307 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1274572475 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that is rather useful! < 1274572484 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bit late but ...) < 1274572547 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, I sometimes respond to things hours later < 1274572554 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1274572670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the most common font size used with LaTeX? < 1274572683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yeah apparently you can use a laptop touchpad to input the maths < 1274572688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how it'll do advancing though < 1274572692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still: kick ass! < 1274572698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now put that on a tablet computer < 1274572700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hook it up to a CAS < 1274572702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bliss achieved? < 1274572703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11, the default. < 1274572721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny. With roff people seem to use 10pt and 12pt, but not 11pt. < 1274572729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably a bit slower than typing tho < 1274572731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course with -ms you can set it easily: < 1274572733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.nr PS < 1274572737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: not for complex mathematical notation < 1274572741 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing with automatic math recognition, i mean < 1274572744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires mental translation < 1274572751 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1274572753 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1274572756 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grapher has a nice interface for that < 1274572782 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that equation is simply < 1274572795 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274572797 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274572797 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric