00:02:03 Aquaria is a computer game, i think 00:02:07 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:02:42 my brain hurts lol 00:02:54 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:03:13 i'm afraid this channel doesn't help with _that_ 00:04:40 no what? 00:04:42 now what? 00:04:46 sdorand2: you're comments are rather vague, are you a bot? 00:04:49 *your 00:05:15 not that i'm aware of but perhaps you are as are all underlying atoms and subatomic particles 00:05:41 could be 00:06:04 we sometimes discuss the simulation argument here 00:06:05 i do not feel like a bot 00:06:31 i went on what i might call a digital archaeology hunt today 00:06:38 but in the "real" world 00:06:56 if the world is "real" (in theory) 00:07:24 i think it might be easy to find out..... 00:07:39 if one could access ever supercomputer on the planet, every institution, government, etc.... 00:07:40 well if everything is a simulation, then there doesn't necessarily exist anything _less_ real than this world 00:07:41 every book... 00:07:50 every code.... ISO, protocol, language, etc 00:07:55 symbol... 00:07:56 etc 00:08:05 and build a picture... 00:08:16 though this of course would require insane computing power.... 00:08:24 chains of events.... 00:08:26 causality 00:08:28 reverse causality 00:08:29 wrappers 00:08:38 time travel 00:08:39 etc 00:09:34 perhaps there are gateways between worlds.... 00:09:44 between levels of complexity.... 00:09:49 where the rules are different 00:10:03 perhaps there are 231 gateways 00:10:13 perhaps only 211 per wikipedia 00:10:32 these aren't actually new ideas - science fiction and fantasy writes about such 00:10:39 indeed 00:10:52 i've also considered the possibility of those worlds... 00:10:57 and how they work at subatomic levels 00:11:02 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 00:11:14 and also from a psychological point of view from an individual to a civilization.... 00:11:32 utlimately it all seems to have some common laws..... at least as far as "human" minds are concerned 00:11:37 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:11:46 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:12:06 but perhaps human experience also exists in parallel with other dimensions that they can not appreciate unless they have access to them 00:12:34 that _could_ be just a lack of imagination, though 00:12:46 and perhaps it all boils down to code.... fine structured infinite constants 00:13:17 someone knows 00:13:29 all i know is that i'm here 00:14:38 one would think however that at some point the notion of "meaning" becomes watered down... 00:14:52 irregardless of universe, multiverse, timeline, dimension, etc 00:15:09 mhm 00:20:45 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:21:34 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:22:15 sanity is waning 00:24:09 what's interesting is a few domains on the internet that do not appear to have any whois information associated with them 00:25:36 i'm not sure if someone/thing is trying to teach me to code/uncode, count, decompile the universe, compile the universe, perfect the universe, hack the universe, or what 00:26:08 uncode? 00:28:00 we all make words don't we? 00:28:38 there are philosophies that say words are a deceptive way of understanding the world 00:29:17 agreed.. 00:29:32 sometimes i think people talk too much 00:29:43 yip yip yip yip.... about nothing... 00:29:45 football..... 00:29:46 shopping... 00:29:50 the weather.. 00:29:52 eh 00:30:01 hence my extreme introversion 00:30:06 (in general) 00:30:28 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 00:30:55 Tell Stephen Wolfram and George Lucas I said hi 00:31:09 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:31:11 heh i'd be surprised if they come here 00:32:05 who is on the wire of my mind? 00:32:38 if i am, i don't know it 00:32:44 who is dumping, analyzing, extrapolating, and meme hashing my thought processes? 00:33:14 who is modifying the angles by which my dna is assembled? 00:33:45 is it not possible to model billions upon billions of human populations across a multitude of various timelines? 00:34:09 with the smallest differences in every possible structure? 00:35:46 only if one has no ethics 00:38:54 now that is an interesting point.... 00:39:21 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:39:24 if this is in fact a machine, and that is what is being done.... 00:39:31 then one could question the ethics of our creators.... 00:39:58 if they are part of the same construct and it is all interconnected.... perhaps no one is ultimately to blame.... 00:40:14 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:40:26 i have considered the possibilities... 00:40:38 and there are certainly a multitude of philosophical concerns... 00:41:05 yet when one acts within life, can not the butterfly effect end up somehow causing the same issues eventually? 00:41:53 i think continuance of existence is a good thing 00:42:03 however, when we have such limited knowledge..... 00:42:10 how can anyone truly know what they are doing? 00:42:36 unless one has access to a higher power of guidance somehow.... 00:43:06 and what if ultimately good and evil are simply part of the same construct and necessary for the existence of everything? 00:43:30 I would think however that things should be weighted towards the good 00:43:43 or perhaps there is megaversal utopia 00:43:56 which in essence is a boat in a bottle..... 00:44:12 and the doors are all shut behind them on the way into the final utopia... 00:44:19 no one might ever possibly be able to know... 00:44:45 i fancy the kabbalah as a super computing construct 00:45:00 perhaps entities fall into or are weighted towards the various "buckets" 00:45:22 perhaps some entities fit in all of the "buckets" in a even and distributed manner.... 00:50:12 Is this here sdorand2 an esoteric programmer or just into esotericism? It's actually hard to tell. 00:50:15 :P 00:50:38 -!- charlls has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:50:50 I do have a CS degree 00:51:04 funny thing is I can't code for shit, failed calculus at least three times... 00:51:28 but perhaps my biology is such that i see things in the fashion that I do... 00:51:42 not that I can't improve myself... 00:51:59 but that's a hard thing to debate given the lack of full knowledge.. 00:52:14 considering I can barely write *decent* solid code.... 00:52:43 programming in esoteric languages is likely not my cup of tea..... could I understand it and do so.... perhaps... 00:53:21 but it is interesting how infinitary lambda calculus parallels various indian and buddhist texts 00:53:34 and its all essentially a code..... extrapolated over time and space.... 00:53:49 which was somehow seeded and/or multiseeded throughout the universe or megaverse... 00:53:58 the extents of the data however is quite horrific 00:56:12 altair is interesting 00:56:31 i pretty much just debugged google, youtube and wikipedia 00:56:32 How much did you code during your CS degree? 00:56:48 autologic is interesting 00:56:56 CRGreathouse is interesting 00:57:08 OEIS is interesting 00:57:45 hoor-pa-kraat 00:57:46 is interesting 00:58:05 sao tome 00:58:09 93beast 00:58:11 enom 00:58:26 hyperworks 00:58:44 JPL 00:58:45 NASA 00:58:52 books that seem to exist just as I'm "accessing them" 00:59:17 wolframalpha 00:59:24 Leibniz 01:00:02 some google antifraud company (can't think of the name right now) 01:01:08 i barely coded anything 01:01:09 in fact nothing 01:03:31 Well, no wonder you did so poorly. 01:03:40 perhaps i transcend coding 01:04:22 and if its ALL CODED..... (mostly) then what? 01:04:45 if the code is in the individual atoms and the extents of ALL OF IT have basically been found.... then what? 01:05:29 I do however have some handwritten theories on security 01:05:53 but whether they are original or simply another part of the code shaking the bits out into reality in some fashion is beyond me 01:05:59 and perhaps they already exist 01:08:30 your assertion of my poor performance is unfounded 01:08:38 and relative 01:08:56 to your bias 01:08:58 and perspective 01:09:11 but perhaps you have access to constructs deeper than I 01:09:31 or perhaps you don't 01:11:17 infinitary and omega logic is interesting 01:11:36 as are Malament-Hogarth spacetimes... 01:11:54 perhaps there are even Quantum relativistic infinitary spacetime theories 01:15:11 when do we increase the quantum relativistic var metalove? 01:16:37 ... Seriously man WTF? 01:17:08 you tell me 01:17:26 Would that I could. 01:19:00 perhaps the esoteric languages I perceive transcend those you are even aware of 01:19:15 or perhaps I should just go and watch cartoons and drink a beer 01:23:06 -!- cheater2 has quit (*.net *.split). 01:23:07 -!- P4 has quit (Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server.). 01:23:07 -!- P4 has joined. 01:23:07 what kind of AI is hooked up to "." on the internet? 01:23:07 -!- cheater2 has joined. 01:23:07 or perhaps it is an AI that comes in wireless to the heads of all of humanity 01:23:07 Tech Email:shadowarts@nonlogic.org 01:23:07 Safari can’t open the page “http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/” because Safari can’t connect to the server “pikhq.nonlogic.org”. 01:23:07 -!- 77CAAOPPI has joined. 01:23:07 -!- 77CAAOPPI has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:24:48 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Too much philosophhy). 01:25:33 is conficker a virus to be used for global awakening? 01:25:36 perhaps 01:27:21 -!- ws has quit (Quit: ...). 01:29:15 Bucky? 02:02:21 -!- oerjan has joined. 02:23:33 today was amusing in here 02:24:06 hello 02:24:17 jello 02:30:47 -!- Zuu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:32:20 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:35:51 -!- Zuu has joined. 02:35:52 -!- Zuu has quit (Changing host). 02:35:52 -!- Zuu has joined. 02:38:56 -!- Gregor-P has joined. 02:39:12 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 02:39:14 Hellooooooo :) 02:40:02 I CAN'T HEAR YOU, TALK LOUDER 02:40:44 Feh! 02:40:45 -!- Gregor-P has quit (Client Quit). 02:41:33 gregor the gullible 02:51:31 -!- lament has joined. 02:54:38 -!- augur has joined. 03:02:02 -!- Gregor has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:15:24 -!- Gregor has joined. 03:26:20 sdorand2 uses too many ... 03:27:01 well i try to balance it out by using none 03:27:39 -!- aschueler has quit (Quit: leaving). 03:28:31 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:29:32 then you should talk more 03:30:50 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: No way). 03:31:22 hmm, I need a language called Knife 03:33:21 Ideas for constructing one? 03:34:29 -!- Gregor has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:36:57 -!- pikhq has joined. 03:45:24 Mathnerd314: it should involve cutting of something 03:50:12 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 04:01:04 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:06:46 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:06:58 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:11:51 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:16:18 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:22:50 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:52:43 -!- comex_ has joined. 04:52:58 -!- Oranjer1 has joined. 04:53:25 -!- Oranjer has quit (Disconnected by services). 04:53:31 -!- Oranjer1 has changed nick to Oranjer. 04:55:38 -!- ZeroOne_ has joined. 04:55:53 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:56:04 -!- augur has joined. 04:56:19 -!- lifthras1ir has joined. 04:56:34 -!- ineiros_ has joined. 04:57:45 -!- mtve has quit (*.net *.split). 04:57:45 -!- ZeroOne has quit (*.net *.split). 04:57:45 -!- ineiros has quit (*.net *.split). 05:00:26 -!- HackEgo has quit (*.net *.split). 05:00:26 -!- comex has quit (*.net *.split). 05:00:26 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (*.net *.split). 05:04:01 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:04:38 -!- Mathnerd314_ has joined. 05:05:03 -!- Mathnerd314_ has changed nick to Mathnerd314. 05:30:36 -!- uorygl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:30:55 -!- uorygl has joined. 05:31:28 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:31:42 -!- uorygl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:31:57 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 05:35:56 -!- uorygl has joined. 05:50:33 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:04:35 -!- Gregor has joined. 06:34:34 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:45:06 -!- pikhq has joined. 06:49:25 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:53:41 -!- pikhq has joined. 06:53:43 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 06:59:19 -!- Oranjer has left (?). 07:00:13 -!- mtve has joined. 07:07:31 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 07:08:15 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:10:17 -!- tombom has joined. 07:31:56 -!- cheater2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:32:20 -!- cheater2 has joined. 07:51:08 -!- tombom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:55:22 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 07:57:13 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:57:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:15:15 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:24:25 -!- gm|lap has joined. 08:25:46 -!- coppro has quit (Quit: I am leaving. You are about to explode.). 08:37:30 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:10:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:10:37 -!- augur has joined. 09:21:18 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:21:24 -!- augur has joined. 09:21:26 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:21:30 -!- augur has joined. 09:29:11 -!- Mathnerd314_ has joined. 09:29:43 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 09:30:10 -!- Mathnerd314_ has changed nick to Mathnerd314. 10:08:10 -!- ws has joined. 10:15:12 Hello, ws. 10:17:44 hey :-) 10:22:21 According to the BBC: "Facebook has more than 400 million users sharing 25 billion things a month" 10:22:51 -!- P4 has quit (Changing host). 10:22:51 -!- P4 has joined. 10:22:54 Nice to know that the BBC are upholding their high statistical standards. 10:24:51 And I *really* need to stop using that script that changes random words to "your mum". 10:26:19 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 10:37:14 why do people wake me up in the morning 10:37:17 what have i done to them 10:41:30 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 10:42:17 -!- cheater2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:43:04 -!- cheater2 has joined. 10:52:31 -!- FireFly has joined. 10:56:32 -!- gm|lap has quit (Quit: ilua). 10:59:53 -!- ws has quit (Quit: ...). 11:06:42 -!- cheater2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:07:15 -!- cheater2 has joined. 11:10:55 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:58:17 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:04:09 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:07:28 02:37:14 why do people wake me up in the morning 12:07:28 02:37:17 what have i done to them 12:07:46 yes 12:07:46 maybe you were genghis khan in a previous life. 12:07:50 have you got an answer 12:07:53 maybe i was 12:07:58 maybe i... STILL AM!!!! AHAHGAHGHAGH 12:08:04 whoops 12:22:35 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 12:28:38 -!- Zuu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:11:27 -!- EgoBot has quit (*.net *.split). 13:11:27 -!- Deewiant has quit (*.net *.split). 13:14:36 -!- EgoBot has joined. 13:14:36 -!- Deewiant has joined. 13:31:01 -!- ws has joined. 13:35:56 -!- cheater3 has joined. 13:37:50 -!- cheater2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:39:09 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 13:51:05 -!- hiato has joined. 14:04:19 -!- Zuu has joined. 14:50:59 -!- Tritonio_GR has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:58:16 Did i mention i 'finished' my first 'esoteric' prog lang ? 15:00:01 I cant decide on what seems to be a very simple syntactical decision 15:00:42 basically, i have functions that return a value.. what i have now is: ! "return value" 15:01:06 doesnt feel right, i started out with: -> "return value" 15:01:48 That didnt feel right either, both seem annoying to write, and they doesnt blend in well :/ 15:03:25 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 15:09:04 Zuu, what about: 15:09:09 <- "return value" 15:09:21 assuming that can be interpreted as "pointing out" of a function 15:09:28 depends on the rest of the syntax of course 15:10:14 in something like a "classical" syntax (think, C, LISP, ...) it could be interpreted that way. But of course in some esolangs that metaphor makes no sense 15:17:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:17:33 AnMaster: good suggestion indeed, but as you mention, i think it will be confusing based on the other syntax i have :) 15:19:35 Actually it might be a quite silly question of me, since i dont say anything about the other syntax. Stupid me... I will make a description of the language soon, maybe then, there will be some qualified suggestions :P 15:20:37 * Zuu just needs to fix some implementation details, to prevent stack overflow on very small programs 15:21:31 -!- cheater3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:22:24 -!- cheater3 has joined. 15:24:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:46:58 -!- AnMaster has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 15:59:43 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:09:19 -!- Tritonio_GR has joined. 16:25:08 -!- AnMaster has joined. 16:30:47 -!- hiato has changed nick to three. 16:30:58 -!- three has changed nick to hiato. 16:34:46 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 16:40:09 -!- hiato has changed nick to AquaLoqua. 16:40:23 -!- lament has joined. 16:50:40 -!- pikhq has joined. 16:50:51 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 16:58:54 Why is nothing happening‽ 16:59:03 I demand that something happen! 17:04:54 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:05:17 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 17:13:44 Phantom_Hoover, you missed hilarity on Google I/O 17:14:01 Earlier, someone demoed using the microphone to make a call 17:14:25 Then, when it came time to try playing music, ... the call was still running 17:16:06 Google I/O? 17:17:14 I am confuzzled. 17:17:32 I know not of these conferences. 17:18:54 http://www.youtube.com/GoogleDevelopers 17:18:58 It's about Android today 17:20:52 -!- AquaLoqua has quit (Quit: underflow). 17:22:36 so i use too many what? 17:28:58 -!- tombom has joined. 17:35:27 -!- adu has joined. 17:50:16 -!- Tritonio_GR has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:54:16 -!- AnMaster has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 17:54:19 -!- augur has joined. 17:54:32 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:54:49 -!- augur has joined. 18:07:20 -!- Gregor has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:07:31 -!- Tritonio_GR has joined. 18:14:45 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 18:16:40 #esoteric 18:30:11 Indeed. 18:31:14 -!- P4 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:31:59 -!- P4 has joined. 18:36:29 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:37:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:37:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:39:20 -!- CT|P4 has joined. 18:39:33 -!- P4 has quit (Quit: has just left his bouncer). 18:40:05 -!- P4 has joined. 18:45:55 -!- P4 has quit (Quit: has just left his bouncer). 18:47:11 -!- CT|P4 has quit (Changing host). 18:47:11 -!- CT|P4 has joined. 18:47:12 -!- CT|P4 has changed nick to P4. 18:54:10 -!- Tritonio_GR has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 19:09:00 -!- subway24 has joined. 19:09:17 hey guys 19:09:30 im gay 19:09:43 -!- subway24 has left (?). 19:19:52 -!- hiato has joined. 19:21:01 -!- ws has quit (Quit: [BX] Bob Barker uses BitchX. Have your BitchX spayed or neutered.). 19:21:04 -!- impomatic has joined. 19:23:40 Incidentally! Do you happen to be aware of any JVM bytecode similarity measures? I have these six provided example programs, 44 student submissions, and approximately one hour of time to waste, so manual inspection is not feasible. (I did find few links with Google, but I don't think I saw anything very finished.) 19:25:05 Run it and see what happens? 19:26:50 I've ran them all, but what I want is to find out if anyone of them has ripped most of their code from one of the provided examples. 19:26:57 diff? 19:27:48 Eh, I guess I could diff, but I'd like a bit more sensible similarity measure. Something that's not defeated by changing variable names and newline placement. 19:28:24 Look at the code with a hex editor and check for obvious similarities? 19:28:39 I've connected via telnet to a HP3000 system. Does anyone know how I can download a file? 19:29:07 If my fellow students in my computing class could rip off example programs I'd hold much more respect for them than I do now... 19:29:16 Possibly I could ran some diffs on the JVM disassembly. (I think that was approximately what one of the google-hits was doing.) 19:31:51 Contact Brenda Baker, bsb@bell-labs.com, for information about licensing the software from Lucent Technologies. 19:34:30 Deewiant: How does that help me notice similarities? 19:34:52 It's from the paper "Deducing Similarities in Java Sources from Bytecodes" 19:35:07 Ah. The title sounds somewhat familiar. 19:35:26 It's four of the top ten results when I googled it 19:35:28 I need these ready by tomorrow. I hope Brenda's awake. 19:37:34 Well, okay, this one hasn't changed the variable names. The newline placement is changed, however. 19:38:04 (And for some reason there are spurious parentheses here and there.) 19:41:02 In my computing class, you aren't even taught to indent your code... 19:44:42 It's a bit.. dubious to return to me code I've written myself. On the other hand, (a) this is not really a programming course, (b) using some from-the-web example code has been traditionally allowed, (c) the person has added sensible comments in my completely uncommented code, and (d) the report describes quite well what it's all about. 19:44:55 So I guess I'll have to let it slide. It just feels somehow sleazy still. 19:48:57 Speaking of copying, two out of four of the participants so far have copied the minimax pseudocode directly from the Wikipedia article, without citing it. (One of those two mentions the article in the "references" section; the other does not have a "references" section.) 19:52:08 -!- hiato has quit (Quit: underflow). 19:56:11 -!- hiato has joined. 20:00:31 -!- hiato has quit (Client Quit). 20:00:48 -!- hiato has joined. 20:01:14 -!- hiato has quit (Client Quit). 20:05:20 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:05:50 * oerjan finds those "Compensation for scam victims" spams slightly amusing 20:06:20 -!- hiato has joined. 20:06:28 at least they have the right intended target audience, yessir 20:09:03 I demand that something happen! 20:09:10 * oerjan swats Phantom_Hoover -----### 20:09:18 we aim to please 20:10:07 so i use too many what? 20:10:22 ..., aka ellipses? 20:11:01 * oerjan wasn't the one who claimed that, anyhow 20:14:33 yeah, that's what I said 20:14:50 Isn't it usually "she"? 20:15:42 that's what he said 20:16:56 fizzie: we are quite liberal here 20:19:15 -!- uorygl has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:23:02 -!- uorygl has joined. 20:36:35 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has joined. 20:36:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:36:45 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:36:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has changed nick to Phantom_Hoover. 20:53:48 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 21:00:45 Grrr... I've spent the last two hours trying to download a file :-( 21:02:23 Do, or do not. There is no try. 21:04:18 Do, or wnload. 21:06:39 impomatic: you mentioned something about telnet, so i assume this server does not have ssh? 21:07:07 is it a large file? 21:07:27 Not sure. I just can't figure the command to download it. Or even how to navigate to the file. 21:07:50 i don't recall telnet having a file download command anyway 21:07:58 um you cannot _find_ the file? 21:08:11 (i may just not know of it) 21:09:49 if the server has ssh, then my suggestion would be to use scp from your client machine 21:10:16 telnet:198.212.189.111 login = "HELLO USER.CSLXL" then navigate through the menus 1, 9, 6, 6 21:10:30 That's the package I want to download. However I can't view it and I can't find the file when I start the shell 21:10:50 The machine is a HP3000 running MPE 21:10:58 whatever that is. 21:11:30 Back in a minute, need to reboot. 21:11:34 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431]). 21:12:12 I don't think my terminal likes the menus 21:14:07 -!- impomatic has joined. 21:15:33 impomatic: What can be done after 1,9,6,6 21:15:48 Nothing that I can see. 21:16:00 I can make out little of the screen, it's not compatible with my terminal 21:16:04 MPE enters the shell, but I can't navigate to the files. 21:16:57 "You may download programs using Minisoft or Reflection. Some configuration may be needed." :-P 21:25:49 I completely killed my terminal program. I can't even reinstall it :-( 21:26:13 O_o 21:29:07 -!- Mappedd has joined. 21:32:15 -!- Mappedd has left (?). 21:35:00 -!- ws has joined. 21:35:22 -!- kar8nga has joined. 21:36:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:36:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:37:26 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:53:16 I find calculus to be increasingly shaky. 21:53:57 The +c s are treated inconsistently. 21:55:56 -!- hiato has quit (Quit: That is a pretty solid silence.). 21:56:22 i'm sure there are some slipups there 21:57:10 but sometimes you _can_ leave out the +c, like if you need just one antiderivative 21:57:25 and it doesn't have to be general 21:58:01 (and one such case is when you use it immediately to calculate a definite integral) 21:59:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHZzObQUgE8 22:05:55 -!- golden has joined. 22:06:06 -!- Tritonio_GR has joined. 22:07:48 -!- golden has left (?). 22:11:08 I understand the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTv6fFLVi4Q much better 22:18:20 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:31:05 -!- augur has joined. 22:35:08 -!- tombom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:38:06 -!- MizardX has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:41:51 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431]). 22:43:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:43:56 -!- charlls has joined. 23:02:16 -!- ZeroOne_ has changed nick to ZeroOne. 23:03:40 -!- cheater4 has joined. 23:05:26 -!- coppro has joined. 23:08:35 -!- oerjan has quit (*.net *.split). 23:08:35 -!- cheater3 has quit (*.net *.split). 23:08:35 -!- FireFly has quit (*.net *.split). 23:09:07 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:09:17 -!- FireFly has joined. 23:13:15 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:13:34 -!- pikhq has joined. 23:20:40 -!- charlls has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:25:03 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:25:47 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: null). 23:35:32 -!- uorygl has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:36:54 -!- uorygl has joined. 23:51:18 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 23:52:34 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 23:55:58 -!- pikhq_ has changed nick to pikhq. 23:59:59 -!- pikhq_ has joined.