< 1273363208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oldweb.cecm.sfu.ca/cgi-bin/isc/lookup?number=1.4331274267223117&lookup_type=simple < 1273363220 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1273363252 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1273363252 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1273363252 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1273363253 0 :alise_!~alise@91.105.83.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273363259 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell foldl1 (\x y -> x + 1/y) [1..50] < 1273363260 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1273363260 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1273363261 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.499205338329423 < 1273363268 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1273363269 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1273363278 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell foldr1 (\x y -> x + 1/y) [1..50000] < 1273363280 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.4331274267223117 < 1273363281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell foldr1 (\x y -> x + 1/y) $ reverse [1..50] < 1273363283 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50.02039949385217 < 1273363295 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell foldr1 (flip (\x y -> x + 1/y)) $ reverse [1..50] < 1273363297 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1273363297 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1273363297 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.499205338329423 < 1273363319 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is that site anyway? it's like Plouffe's inverter but less comprehensive. < 1273363335 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I USED plouffes inverter the other day! < 1273363352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i think i was looking for plouffe's inverter, but google failed me then < 1273363361 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to find a number expressed in terms of sqrt(13) and mysearch program didnt get it... but plouffes inverter did < 1273363369 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is a better result though < 1273363375 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because plouffe's had a ton of irrelevant crap < 1273363384 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1273363387 0 :alise_!~alise@91.105.83.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273363392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1273363448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: ah well all the other hits are just more continued fraction stuff... < 1273363456 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this urge to write a program to approximate curves to write a little silly mathematical typesetter. < 1273363460 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: most false positives < 1273363468 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does mark ContFrac(naturals) though < 1273363504 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have this urge to write code for some sort of embedded CPU to make an almighty CASulator. < 1273363515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch the links to OEIS are borken < 1273363521 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273363541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: i presume most of those sequences are things _starting_ with 1,2,3... for a good number of terms < 1273363564 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273363732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the continued fraction for e isn't that simple, it has 1,1 between 2n terms < 1273363815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanh(1) is close, except with only odd numbers < 1273363832 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now find one with only even numbers, and define the continued fraction interleaving operation < 1273363834 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're done! < 1273363843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1273363961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes he wrote borken above without noticing
< 1273364006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tanh(1/n) and others are listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction#Regular_patterns_in_continued_fractions) < 1273364064 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the Bessel function is what it was looked up as. < 1273364068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah what the inverters gave were those bessel functions, wasn't i... right < 1273364169 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice number. I like it. < 1273364190 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, it being unnamed, I will name it Hird's constant. Unless I think of something better to give that name to in my time, in which case it won't be called that any more. < 1273364339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khinchin%27s_constant < 1273364347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no it's not the same one) < 1273364357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i found it interesting < 1273364358 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhh < 1273364363 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its symbol is \mathcal{H}. < 1273364437 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.618034.com/blog_data/math/formula.5771.png < 1273364458 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck < 1273364475 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga :: Time -> Object < 1273364487 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga saturday_night = beer < 1273364490 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;[ < 1273364497 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work; saturday_night is a variable < 1273364509 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1273364521 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'' ? < 1273364523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want SaturdayNight, obviously < 1273364528 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1273364531 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Beer < 1273364534 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1273364545 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga SaturdayNight = Beer < 1273364605 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generalised Hird constant: < 1273364621 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H_n = n + (1 / (n + 1 + (1 / n + 2 + (1 / (n + 3 + ... < 1273364627 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H = H_1; 1/H = H_0. < 1273364662 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I think I may be just that little bit /too/ clever. < 1273364666 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273364771 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Mathematica fail so hard that it won't even evaluate H numerically? < 1273364783 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[6]:= N[ContinuedFractionK[k, {k, 0, Infinity}]] < 1273364783 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[6]= ContinuedFractionK[k, {k, 0., \[Infinity]}] < 1273364790 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1273364923 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[15]:= hird /. < 1273364923 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : RSolve[hird[n + 1] == n + 1 + (1/hird[n]), hird, n][[1]] < 1273364924 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[15]= Function[{n}, (BesselI[-1 + n, -2] + n BesselI[n, -2] + < 1273364924 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselK[-1 + n, 2] C[1] + n BesselK[n, 2] C[1])/(BesselI[n, -2] + < 1273364924 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselK[n, 2] C[1])] < 1273364925 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1273364943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: erm precedence fail in that H_n i think < 1273364970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you want 1 / (, not (1 / < 1273364971 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, missed a paren before (n + 2 < 1273364978 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1273364985 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets talk about finitism < 1273365023 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hird[n_] := (BesselI[-1 + n, -2] + n BesselI[n, -2] + < 1273365023 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselK[-1 + n, 2] + n BesselK[n, 2])/(BesselI[n, -2] + < 1273365023 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselK[n, 2]) < 1273365025 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :facsimile: no. < 1273365030 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1273365033 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like it < 1273365034 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh what < 1273365036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: hm you realise H_n = n + 1/H_{n+1} ? < 1273365037 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[24]:= N[Hird[1]] < 1273365037 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[24]= -0.649798 < 1273365044 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh n+1 < 1273365046 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :P < 1273365046 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading a book about finite group theory < 1273365048 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its nice < 1273365056 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[25]:= hird /. < 1273365056 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : RSolve[hird[n + 1] == n + 1 + (1/hird[n + 1]), hird, n][[1]] < 1273365056 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[25]= Function[{n}, 1/2 (-Sqrt[5 + 2 (-1 + n) + (-1 + n)^2] + n)] < 1273365057 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1273365060 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is even nicer!!!! < 1273365075 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no silly Bessel nosiree just good ol' sqrts < 1273365094 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[29]:= N[Hird[1]] < 1273365095 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[29]= -0.618034 < 1273365097 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANTED < 1273365109 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sill yrabbit. < 1273365113 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*silly rabbit < 1273365113 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1273365118 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made another mistake lol < 1273365134 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ReplaceAll::reps: {hird[n]==n+1/hird[1+n]} is neither a list of replacement rules nor a valid dispatch table, and so cannot be used for replacing. >> < 1273365135 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well uh < 1273365137 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1273365138 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there < 1273365150 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN COME UP WITH A NICE EXPRESSION FOR IT THX < 1273365162 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in doubt, consider a mathematician to be your computer. < 1273365164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1273365185 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY it's a law, I named it so I can't do the work about it < 1273365200 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that responsibility falls unto /you/, who will be shafted by history < 1273365218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scanr1 (\n x -> n + 1/x) [1..50] < 1273365220 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1.4331274267223117,2.30878937306624,3.2384534159000498,4.193691234094797,5.162856257658906,6.14038425280805,7.123306068860268,8.109900909526315,9.09910577000782,10.090229861703257,11.082805416334763,12.07650470540765,13.071091440344299,14.066391047318163,15.062271803120291,16.05863247717872,17.05539400888454,18.052493764882254,19.049881490555215,20.047516400759932,21.045365053054066,22.043399768719727,23.041597443938652,24.039938643221006,25.038406899 < 1273365266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm the last few terms are not exact < 1273365270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scanr1 (\n x -> n + 1/x) [1..100] < 1273365271 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1.4331274267223117,2.30878937306624,3.2384534159000498,4.193691234094797,5.162856257658906,6.14038425280805,7.123306068860268,8.109900909526315,9.09910577000782,10.090229861703257,11.082805416334763,12.07650470540765,13.071091440344299,14.066391047318163,15.062271803120291,16.05863247717872,17.05539400888454,18.052493764882254,19.049881490555215,20.047516400759932,21.045365053054066,22.043399768719727,23.041597443938652,24.039938643221006,25.038406899 < 1273365283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they were < 1273365285 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the successive hird numbers? < 1273365290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1273365291 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !=$3000$3000 < 1273365292 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1273365294 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, may i note that you forgot H_0 < 1273365296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one just looked truncated < 1273365307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scanr1 (\n x -> n + 1/x) [0..100] -- sheesh < 1273365308 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scanr1 (\n x -> n + 1/x) [0..100] < 1273365310 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0.697774657964008,1.4331274267223117,2.30878937306624,3.2384534159000498,4.193691234094797,5.162856257658906,6.14038425280805,7.123306068860268,8.109900909526315,9.09910577000782,10.090229861703257,11.082805416334763,12.07650470540765,13.071091440344299,14.066391047318163,15.062271803120291,16.05863247717872,17.05539400888454,18.052493764882254,19.049881490555215,20.047516400759932,21.045365053054066,22.043399768719727,23.041597443938652,24.0399386432 < 1273365310 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0.697774657964008,1.4331274267223117,2.30878937306624,3.2384534159000498,4.193691234094797,5.162856257658906,6.14038425280805,7.123306068860268,8.109900909526315,9.09910577000782,10.090229861703257,11.082805416334763,12.07650470540765,13.071091440344299,14.066391047318163,15.062271803120291,16.05863247717872,17.05539400888454,18.052493764882254,19.049881490555215,20.047516400759932,21.045365053054066,22.043399768719727,23.041597443938652,24.0399386432 < 1273365312 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1273365316 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scanr1 (\n x -> n + 1/x) [0..100] :: CReal < 1273365339 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er [CReal] ofc < 1273365341 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot doesn't have it < 1273365341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that EgoBot has CReal < 1273365350 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : > scanr1 (\n x -> n + 1/x) [0..10] :: [CReal] < 1273365350 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.6977746579640063874581706013218497243509,1.4331274267223150332875975712205324867433,2.3087893730662226112174662595471111580419,3.2384534159002329348068701459991873036222,4.19369123409157731148406 < 1273365350 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 60758323982791002,5.1628562577447335811648079306071871127633,6.1403842495719992391097584173482975080845,7.1233062330623306233062330623306233062331,8.1098901098901098901098901098901098901099,9.1,10.0] < 1273365359 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems i have found quite some nice numbers! < 1273365368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, isn't CReal somewhat lazy, in which case you should be able to use [0..] < 1273365369 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1273365380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't actually know
< 1273365384 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H_1 = I_0(2)/I_1(2); H_2 = I_1(2)/I_2(2) < 1273365409 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chops off the first term again
< 1273365414 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I_2(2)/I_3(2) < 1273365431 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so H_(n+1) = I_n(2) / I_(n+1)(2) < 1273365440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait CReal cannot know that the list doesn't contain something enormous negative far beyond < 1273365451 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, err, begs the question, < 1273365461 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's H_0 < 1273365475 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think there is I_-1 < 1273365479 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol :o:g:a0~n5?=#_4"+94SaturdayNight!"4Beer0 nooga "+94SaturdayNight < 1273365480 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beer < 1273365484 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yadaa < 1273365492 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1273365501 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_-1(2)/I_0(2) = I_1(2)/I_0(2) < 1273365512 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically apply abs < 1273365537 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you know, you don't have to < 1273365559 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[36]:= N[Hird[50]] < 1273365559 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[36]= 50.0196 < 1273365559 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[37]:= N[Hird[500]] < 1273365559 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[37]= 500.001996000004 < 1273365560 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1273365565 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hird[n] is almost n as n gets big enough < 1273365578 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course < 1273365582 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it becomes < 1273365591 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n + 1 / (n+1 + ...) < 1273365604 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if n is sufficiently big, 1/(n+1) is tiny < 1273365675 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you write a function that finds any equilibrium of given list in haskell? < 1273365697 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[46]:= Hird[2] < 1273365697 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[46]= BesselI[1, 2]/BesselI[2, 2] < 1273365697 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[47]:= Hird[-1] < 1273365697 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[47]= BesselI[2, 2]/BesselI[1, 2] < 1273365713 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H_-n = 1/H_n < 1273365737 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H only clashes with harmonic numbers outside of typesetting, \mathcal ofc < 1273365835 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that -n conjecture is actually false. < 1273365850 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H_-n = 1/H_(n+1) < 1273365905 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273365932 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate Bessel and Tchebyshev < 1273365934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wow, it appears that over half of all Finns know English. < 1273365941 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, heh, there are even real-indexed Hird numbers! < 1273365944 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[64]:= N[Hird[Pi]] < 1273365944 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[64]= 3.37253 < 1273365953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a mandatory school subject in norway, i presume it's the same in finland and sweden < 1273365964 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even the same in Poland < 1273365967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think nowadays from first grade, even < 1273365979 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1273365981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was fourth grade back when i did it) < 1273365985 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are even imaginary-indexed Hird numbers < 1273365986 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1273366004 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but here they "teach" English instead of teaching it < 1273366006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what's an equilibrium? < 1273366072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION somehow avoided most of bessel and tchebyshev in his education, despite getting a math doctorate
< 1273366080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i've just forgotten it < 1273366090 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: what is this Hird function? < 1273366093 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: electronics, filters < 1273366096 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Not a function; Hird numbers. < 1273366110 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this Hird numbers? < 1273366131 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It started with H = [1; 2, 3, 4, 5, ...] (continued fraction). Now I have successfully generalised it to H_n for natural n = [n; n+1, n+2, n+3, ...]; Mathematica decided to take that further. Definition: < 1273366159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i mean the answer is obviously yes if it's computable at all < 1273366167 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H_n = I(n-1, 2)/I(n, 2); I is the modified Bessel function of the first kind. < 1273366174 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I(a,b) = I_a(b). < 1273366178 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: equilibrium is an index i in array a that satisfies a[0..i] = a[i..last] < 1273366185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1273366194 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Known properties: H_n gets close to n as n increases; H_-n = 1/H_(n+1). < 1273366207 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just curious how it would look in haskell < 1273366212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what the heck is a[0..i] and a[i..last] < 1273366223 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: If you want to play along at home, and have a copy of Mathematica: < 1273366225 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hird[n_] := BesselI[n - 1, 2]/BesselI[n, 2] < 1273366225 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, i'm drunken < 1273366228 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drunk < 1273366229 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: *drunk < 1273366230 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1273366231 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1273366235 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyah < 1273366252 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: In LaTeX, write \mathcal{H}_n. < 1273366271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i'm sure i could write it if you could explain it, unless it involves fourier transforms or something like that (and even then, but i would probably be too lazy for that) < 1273366278 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if my university has Mathematics. < 1273366279 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a[0]+a[1]+a[2]+...+a[i] = a[i]+a[i+1]+a[i+2]+...+a[n] < 1273366283 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: *Mathematica < 1273366295 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Well, you can also use Wolfram Alpha for most of it. < 1273366301 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.618034.com/blog_data/math/formula.5801.png < 1273366302 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definition < 1273366307 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, of course, shamelessly name these after myself. < 1273366316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: aha, so the sum to the left == sum to the right? but ther can only be one such index afaict < 1273366320 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hird's constant/number is H_1. < 1273366321 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1273366332 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole H_n shenanigans is the Hird numbers. < 1273366338 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H_72 is the seventy-second Hird number. < 1273366350 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Hird number 72. < 1273366355 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just out of curiosity; isn't the convention to let someone else name stuff after you? < 1273366394 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine such "convention" has been broken before < 1273366408 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: PROBABLY < 1273366416 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: usually i don't talk with doctors of mathematics at night ;D < 1273366417 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fuck it, I'm never going to get another chance at getting something named after me < 1273366420 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who can blame a man? < 1273366435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, so you DO like fame < 1273366438 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're (arguably) in high school... < 1273366438 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as if anyone /cares/ about these numbers, being as they are basically poor approximations to n < 1273366446 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: of the mathematical sort, sure... < 1273366446 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got many years ahead of you < 1273366450 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: SHUT UP < 1273366461 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can call whatever else I discover the Hird2 number < 1273366461 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n! is just a poor approximation to n^n. < 1273366464 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, doesn't this seem like a waste of a good name? < 1273366468 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: No it isn't :P < 1273366475 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is! < 1273366479 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's not as if anyone will use this name < 1273366485 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is more of a joke than anything < 1273366499 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+b is also a poor approximation to max(a,b). < 1273366511 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw. a[0..i].sum = a[i..-1].sum is Ruby-like notation < 1273366528 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Everything is a poor approximation to either infinity or 0. < 1273366531 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if Ruby has Array#sum method by default < 1273366533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let equil l = elemIndex 0 (scanl (-) (sum l) l) in equil [1,5,3,-2,2,7] < 1273366535 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn centrists. < 1273366542 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is a poor approximation to both. :P < 1273366546 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: It does not. < 1273366547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1273366559 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Hey, hey, 0 is not a poor approximation to infinity, and infinity is not a poor approximation to 0. < 1273366571 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are two ends of a circle, infinitesimally distanced; they are GOOD approximations of each other! < 1273366590 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, CASulator! < 1273366597 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're really pretty bad approximations of each other. < 1273366604 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what metric are they close? < 1273366612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let {equil l = elemIndex 0 (scanl (-) (sum l) l)} in equil [1,5,3,-2,2,7] < 1273366612 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: oh crat, I could swear that i used it several times, maybe it was defined in my code somewhere < 1273366618 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crat :D < 1273366624 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap* crap :D < 1273366647 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: whatever extension of the reals has infinity but not -infinity, is defined as being a circle where 0 is one end and infinity is what you get at the other side or something < 1273366647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there must be an actual error there but damn if i can see it < 1273366650 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joined at both ends or something? < 1273366656 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember exactly < 1273366660 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's your metric < 1273366662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1273366669 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the naturals, tie both ends together < 1273366671 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's your number-circle < 1273366677 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 and infinity are right next to each other, Q.E.D. < 1273366704 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1273366711 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod infinit? < 1273366713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell equil l = elemIndex 0 (scanl (-) (sum l) l); main = print $ equil [1,5,3,-2,2,7] < 1273366725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1273366734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; equil l = elemIndex 0 (scanl (-) (sum l) l); main = print $ equil [1,5,3,-2,2,7] < 1273366737 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 6 < 1273366741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1273366752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh < 1273366770 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_projective_line ;; so, drop the negatives, and 0 becomes right next to infinity < 1273366774 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there. < 1273366783 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1273366799 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see problems with computational complexity of that thing < 1273366802 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers reading about that in Flatterland
< 1273366849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I sort of fantasized about something like a "number circle" when I was in my pseudomathematician days < 1273366882 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define infinity equal to e^(-pi*sqrt(163)). Boom, 0 and infinity are really close to each other. < 1273366905 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, defining 0 and infinity to be right next to each other is a great way to get them to be right next to each other. < 1273366911 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[90]:= Hird[Hird[Hird[Hird[n]]]] < 1273366911 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[90]= BesselI[-1 + < 1273366911 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselI[-1 + BesselI[-1 + BesselI[-1 + n, 2]/BesselI[n, 2], 2]/ < 1273366911 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselI[BesselI[-1 + n, 2]/BesselI[n, 2], 2], 2]/ < 1273366911 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselI[BesselI[-1 + BesselI[-1 + n, 2]/BesselI[n, 2], 2]/ < 1273366912 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselI[BesselI[-1 + n, 2]/BesselI[n, 2], 2], 2], 2]/BesselI[ < 1273366914 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselI[-1 + BesselI[-1 + BesselI[-1 + n, 2]/BesselI[n, 2], 2]/ < 1273366916 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselI[BesselI[-1 + n, 2]/BesselI[n, 2], 2], 2]/ < 1273366918 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselI[BesselI[-1 + BesselI[-1 + n, 2]/BesselI[n, 2], 2]/ < 1273366919 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract algebra -> interesting, esoteric, pain in the ass when you're studying < 1273366922 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BesselI[BesselI[-1 + n, 2]/BesselI[n, 2], 2], 2], 2] < 1273366924 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1273366926 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273366952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, it does make sense that inf+inf is undefined < 1273366961 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Well, if we consider the naturals as a line such that one end is 0 and the other end is infinity, < 1273366965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But inf+inf != 2*inf < 1273366970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION headaches
< 1273366979 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a reasonable way to be able to answer questions about order on infinity would require some number to be said to be "after" infinity, I guess? < 1273366982 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tie the circle up. < 1273366985 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just looking for excuses. < 1273366994 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Simple answer: Add infinity, lose mathematical properties. < 1273367020 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity should behave like 0 < 1273367182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; equil l = elemIndex 0 $ zip (scanl (+) 0 l) (scanr (+) 0 l); main = print $ equil [1,5,3,-2,2,7] < 1273367204 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; equil l = elemIndex 0 $ zipWith (-) (scanl (+) 0 l) (scanr (+) 0 l); main = print $ equil [1,5,3,-2,2,7] < 1273367206 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing < 1273367206 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For infinity inspiration, we should look to projective geometries. < 1273367210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1273367223 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extend y = x^2 to the real projective plane, and you'll see what infinity squared is. < 1273367245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; equil l = elemIndex 0 $ zipWith (-) (scanl (+) 0 l) (tail $ scanr (+) 0 l); main = print $ equil [1,5,3,-2,2,7] < 1273367248 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 3 < 1273367256 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hint: it's infinity.) < 1273367257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yay! < 1273367323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess with negative numbers there _could_ be more than one spot < 1273367360 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1273367367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List; equil l = elemIndices 0 $ zipWith (-) (scanl (+) 0 l) (tail $ scanr (+) 0 l); main = print $ equil [1,5,3,-2,2,-2,2,7] < 1273367369 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3,4,5,6] < 1273367377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1273367421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh that's correct i think < 1273367461 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is correct.... Also doctor of mathematics is solving my dumb, theoretical problem, hell yeah ;D < 1273367480 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how is the performance of that haskell code < 1273367487 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what* < 1273367490 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1273367562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it builds sums from both the left and right < 1273367579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it shares the partial sums in each direction < 1273367618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so shouldn't be more than linear < 1273367647 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan didn't solve /my/ problem < 1273367648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list from left is probably never physically built < 1273367654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: what problem? < 1273367689 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Hird numbers stuff :P < 1273367708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may have implied i don't know anything about bessel numbers < 1273367714 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do I :P < 1273367736 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are computers too < 1273367765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not particularly good computers. I doubt we can easily store GBs of data in memory for random access < 1273367782 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[107]:= FullSimplify[Hird[n] - n] < 1273367783 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[107]= BesselI[1 + n, 2]/BesselI[n, 2] < 1273367784 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. interesting < 1273367784 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so it does not build left and right sums for every index? < 1273367831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes it does, but it uses recursion on the neighbors to share the work < 1273367882 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, haskell is so awesome < 1273367929 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[135]:= FullSimplify[Hird[n]] < 1273367929 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[135]= Hypergeometric0F1Regularized[n, 1]/BesselI[n, 2] < 1273367938 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it with me now: WUT. < 1273367961 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could say WUT for everything that you've pasted today < 1273367967 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, so could I. < 1273367971 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weak Unified Theory! < 1273367972 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this notation means nothing < 1273367977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: basically scanl (+) and scanr (+) are like foldl (+) and foldr (+) (which both sum lists), except they also give you a list of _all_ the partial sums < 1273367993 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1273368008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting from left and right respectively < 1273368016 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with oerjan < 1273368018 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too awesome < 1273368029 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: means nothing how < 1273368036 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either mathematica or just plain ascii mathematical notation < 1273368055 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypergeometric0F1Regularized < 1273368082 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's ask the guy with math doctorate: how do we define this thing? < 1273368089 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to learn hypergeometry soon < 1273368090 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-156-182.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1273368095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is that < 1273368101 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypergeometric0F1Regularized[a,z] < 1273368101 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the regularized confluent hypergeometric function Subscript[\[Null], 0]Subscript[F, 1](a;z)/\[CapitalGamma](a). < 1273368104 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1273368106 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to write that nicerly < 1273368110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right < 1273368115 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 F1(a;z)/Gamma(a) < 1273368116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away screaming
< 1273368118 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the 0 and the 1 are subscripted < 1273368119 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1273368121 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no fucking idea either < 1273368134 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1273368213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a slight memory of "hypergeometric" from statistics, i think < 1273368216 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 for me < 1273368240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Google: Sgeo and Geo are not synonyms < 1273368245 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regularized < 1273368251 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwhats confluent about it? < 1273368288 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who fucking knows?? < 1273368302 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visualize confluence relation \!\( < 1273368303 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\(\*SubscriptBox[\(\[InvisiblePrefixScriptBase]\), \(0\)]\) < 1273368303 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\(\*SubscriptBox[ < 1273368303 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OverscriptBox[\(F\), \(~\)], \(1\)]\)\)\[InvisibleApplication](\[Null];a;z)\[LongEqual] < 1273368303 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\!\(\*UnderscriptBox["lim", < 1273368303 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RowBox[{"p", "\[Rule]", "\[Infinity]"}]]\)\[ThinSpace]\!\( < 1273368305 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\(\*SubscriptBox[\(\[InvisiblePrefixScriptBase]\), \(1\)]\) < 1273368306 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:19 < facsimile> I agree with oerjan < 1273368307 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\(\*SubscriptBox[ < 1273368309 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OverscriptBox[\(F\), \(~\)], \(1\)]\)\)\[InvisibleApplication](p;a;z/p): < 1273368311 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck Mathematica! < 1273368311 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1273368317 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it is rendered on screen. < 1273368320 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't make any more sense! < 1273368322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hypergeometric distribution is something like the binomial distribution, except you _don't_ get to pull a number twice. or something like that. < 1273368364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In probability theory and statistics, the hypergeometric distribution is a discrete probability distribution that describes the number of successes in a sequence of n draws from a finite population without replacement, just as the binomial distribution describes the number of successes for draws with replacement." < 1273368380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough, i say < 1273368562 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: email Wolfram for explanation < 1273368574 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Wolfram, < 1273368577 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What the fuck? < 1273368580 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours sincerely, < 1273368582 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hird. < 1273368613 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy is named after the element that is often found in lightbulbs, how awesome is that?! < 1273368672 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy is named after the famous series of BesselI function numbers, how awesome is that?! < 1273368728 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i could change my surname to Thorium or Ununhexium i would do it immediately < 1273368746 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unununununununium < 1273368796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :element 1111111 seems a little unlikely to be synthesized < 1273368816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe in neutron stars? < 1273368857 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. what's with LHC? < 1273368874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some news about it? < 1273368900 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is that there is no news about it < 1273368902 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1273368926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is presumably doing its ordinary, longtime, boring collection of data < 1273368943 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unununununununununununununununununium < 1273368947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it will take months if not years to analyze before anyone can make real news out of it < 1273368964 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really boring is it; how many terabytes a second?! < 1273368970 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1273368992 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't think colliding erections would produce so much data. < 1273368995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _most_ of it is boring, since interesting collisions are probably very rare :D < 1273369020 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. That often happens with hardons. < 1273369023 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i've known a guy who worked on analyzing CERN's data < 1273369048 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have special grid for this task and he wrote some minor programs for it < 1273369069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: also it is still only working at half its final intended energy, iirc, and will be doing so until end of 2011, when they will take it down to upgrade it. < 1273369092 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said that 500TB is nothing when you're talking about CERN's toys < 1273369100 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah works on the LHC iirc < 1273369110 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in france doing some sort of theoretical work < 1273369117 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, did work < 1273369123 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anything highly innovative < 1273369155 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other friend of mine went to some weir russian CERN equivalent < 1273369161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: conveniently they will be skipping all of 2012 >:) < 1273369178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they start it up in december to scare everyone instead < 1273369183 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and played with some big, old accelerators and nuclear reactors < 1273369185 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they forget to skip it? < 1273369209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: that would mean running at half energy for an extra year < 1273369211 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, he remembers only vodka < 1273369219 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which, like all my other stupid questions, is an intentionally stupid question.) < 1273369236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the end of the world, but we don't talk about that. < 1273369258 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hehe < 1273369305 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currrrrrrrrrrve approximation < 1273369311 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... Linear interpolation! < 1273369314 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best rhyme ever. < 1273369327 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Torun32m_winter.jpg/800px-Torun32m_winter.jpg :D < 1273369332 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been there < 1273369335 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for a Computer Science minor, I can take "Database", which looks bad, "System Programming", which looks worse, or "Data Communications", which I have no idea about. < 1273369376 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the driver is 386 machine with DOS on board < 1273369378 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topics of the latter two classes are supposed to be abstracted out of sight. :P < 1273369426 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some mainframe salvaged from some soviet submarine does the data analysis < 1273369430 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1273369446 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders about a glyph being ((xs,ys),(xe,ye),c).
< 1273369448 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the topic for Data Communications: "An introduction to data communications techniques, particularly as applied to computer networks. Physical media and devices, data link and network protocols, and other data communications topics will be studied." < 1273369458 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physical media? Neat, I get to learn what a hard drive is. < 1273369458 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a line from (xs,ys) to (xe,ye), curved by c. < 1273369467 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can have negative/positive curves for inwards/outwards curves. < 1273369476 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess other devices could be interesting... as could network protocols. < 1273369485 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 1 would be a semicircle, say. < 1273369488 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the other two classes look icky, so I guess I'm taking this one. < 1273369491 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With -1 being the other half of a semicircle. < 1273369496 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coords are from 0 to 1. < 1273369496 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: I've studied automatics and robotics, everything looks even worse there < 1273369541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: (xs,ys)---c-->(xe,ye) except ---c--> is an actual curve with c above it? < 1273369546 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The class I took this semester, "Computer Organization", was much more boring than the textbook suggests. < 1273369552 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: something like that I guess < 1273369562 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: studies are boring < 1273369564 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a semicircle: < 1273369564 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0, 1/2) ->@1 (1/2, 1) < 1273369564 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1, 1/2) ->@1 (1/2, 0) < 1273369565 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've already ranted about that, so I won't rant about it again. < 1273369568 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe coords from -1 to 1 is better. < 1273369573 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of things seem to do that. So I will. < 1273369580 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: aren't classes pretty much all about studying? < 1273369590 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1273369607 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a circle is: < 1273369608 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-1, 0) ->@1 (0, 1) < 1273369608 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 1, 0) ->@1 (0, -1) < 1273369617 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether this is expressive enough to draw glyphs and stuff. < 1273369626 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to write OSes, compilers and other shit that would give me credits without going to classes < 1273369628 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might also want some sort of filling, of course. < 1273369633 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, line thickness, basically. < 1273369646 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filled circular stuff might be hard? < 1273369647 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1273369664 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Paint or what, alise_ < 1273369672 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1273369674 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except this is vector < 1273369685 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glyphs are pretty easy with Bezier curves, aren't they? < 1273369691 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the idea is to be able to define fonts renderable quickly on, say, a device with an embedded cpu < 1273369704 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think doing full bezier curves in realtime is feasible on a low powered cpu lke that < 1273369710 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for the CASulator < 1273369717 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bezier curves are pretty easy, aren't they? < 1273369721 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just polynomials. < 1273369725 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definately possible < 1273369741 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In realtime, though, rendering a bunch of text? < 1273369745 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1273369755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: if c is a curve from 0 to 1 in the complex plane, then z1 ->@c z2 could mean the curve d(t) = z1 + (z2-1)c(t) < 1273369768 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A degree-4 polynomial can be evaluated at a single point using 4 additions and 3 multiplications. < 1273369778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*d(t) = z1 + (z2-z1)c(t) < 1273369783 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cool. and? < 1273369807 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an awesome idea for using XMOS < 1273369808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: then it's just rotation and scaling in the unique possible way < 1273369818 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Mine sounds easier to write glyphs in by hand, though :P < 1273369828 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you have a 640x480 screen, and evaluate a polynomial for every five pixels, that's 3*640*480/5 = 184,320 operations. < 1273369832 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so it's fast, basically? < 1273369834 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty easy. < 1273369835 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273369835 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XMOS < 1273369840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something postscript provides, i recall < 1273369849 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postscript, bah < 1273369915 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it may just be better to use bitmap fonts if we're using a regular calculator display. < 1273369939 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could use E-Ink :-) < 1273369947 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nah; response time. < 1273369957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postscript has a translation + matrix iirc, so it can also do shears and stuff < 1273369969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still linear/affine < 1273369979 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's impossible for me to take the class I want to take next year. No matter; I'll just take it a different year. < 1273369986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just multiplicatino and addition < 1273369989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ion < 1273370001 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: i can't even choose my classes here < 1273370008 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT? < 1273370028 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out that they try to put EVERYTHING in our heads and then it gets to a point that we know NOTHING < 1273370030 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems kind of strange. < 1273370040 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's Poland ;D < 1273370053 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew, it's only Poland. < 1273370065 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot Poland. < 1273370078 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot that Poland is part of Scandinavia! < 1273370088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats uorygl -----###
< 1273370091 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1273370096 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fint < 1273370118 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I didn't forget anything, it's not in Scandinavia at all. < 1273370124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we love our poles, but they are _not_ scandinavians. unless they move here permanently, at least. < 1273370136 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they move there temporarily? < 1273370155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they are guest workers, usually < 1273370159 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Poles here do all the work < 1273370163 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you should come and do the work < 1273370170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway too < 1273370172 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are you now, alise_? < 1273370173 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up ;D < 1273370211 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uk < 1273370211 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook < 1273370212 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, well, difference: we /don't/ love our poles < 1273370213 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY TAKK OOR JOOBS < 1273370215 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expected you to be somewhere else by now. < 1273370222 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the magnetic poles cannot move here permanently < 1273370228 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: A bit naive, to think moving is so easy. < 1273370241 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I don't take your jobs < 1273370256 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never said it was my opinion :P < 1273370267 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving is very easy. Just put your laptop in your backpack and drive somewhere. < 1273370278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Much like Mexicans. < 1273370284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DER TAKING ER JORBS < 1273370287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: norway still has the lowest unemployment in europe. although they're probably shuffling some data around to make it lower, like everywhere else. < 1273370312 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my brother is in norway, he's studying your language AFAIR < 1273370315 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Here, try and find accommodation in a country you're not in. Now, go. < 1273370325 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION begins.
< 1273370338 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden has a nice-looking web site, so I'll start there. < 1273370347 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know many Norwegians from our medical university, here in Poznan < 1273370386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: i hear the magnetic poles may be shifting towards europe, actually < 1273370391 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1273370399 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, do I want to work or study? < 1273370402 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I found accomodation in Scotland pretty fast < 1273370412 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: how permanent? < 1273370423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Where from? < 1273370426 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 < 1273370434 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 weeks, but i think it would be fully possible to stay much longer < 1273370452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem was it costed something like 600 quid a month < 1273370455 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically because moving /twice/ sounds unfun. < 1273370485 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost resisted the urge to do this: < 1273370489 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 600 quid in USD < 1273370490 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dollars? At todays exchange rates (2nd Dec 08) £50 = $74.75 ... US dollars? its your moms butt ... US dollars? $847.210 (as of August 4th) ... < 1273370494 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1273370500 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 600 GBP in USD < 1273370501 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :600 British pounds = 888.48 U.S. dollars < 1273370512 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, CASulator! Someone be interested? Please? < 1273370514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's somewhat pricy. < 1273370518 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, where did "its your moms butt" come from? < 1273370523 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...xD < 1273370535 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annd i'm not working in the UK so it was a little bit expensive < 1273370545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 600 GBP in ZWL < 1273370547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, you're going to make a physical CASculator? < 1273370547 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :futuresource.quote.com/reference/symlist.jsp?print=true - [37]Cached - [38]Similar < 1273370554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Darn*./ < 1273370560 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Moving to someone in Sweden"? How does someone move to someone in Sweden? < 1273370563 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I want to! Probably I'd write code for an embedded CPU and simulate it on a PC first. < 1273370576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds interesting < 1273370591 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But unless you're planning on making a CAS from scratch, what are you going to use? < 1273370627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, it's not going to just be porting a regular CAS to an embedded CPU, is it < 1273370641 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:59 < pikhq> nooga: Where from? < 1273370646 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1273370656 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, making my own. < 1273370662 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as I'll need to code with the HW in mind. < 1273370694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 888.48 * 300000000000000 < 1273370696 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :888.48 * 300 000 000 000 000 = 2.66544 × 10^17 < 1273370717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.66*10^17 Zimbabwe dollars a month. < 1273370721 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZWD works iirc < 1273370723 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is that new or old? < 1273370723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now *that's* expensive. < 1273370728 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new as in just before being obsoleted < 1273370783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just before they introduced the 4th dollar. < 1273370834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 4th dollar got up to an exchange rate of 255.19 to the USD before being suspended. < 1273370877 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zimbabwe seems to be really bad at handling their currencies. < 1273370937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, their solution to the government not being able to fund municipal projects was to print more money. < 1273370959 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they just keep doing that? < 1273370968 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they do that? < 1273370976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mugabe is not too bright. < 1273371005 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1273371015 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't they kick him out? < 1273371031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't think they've _tried_? < 1273371033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tried. < 1273371052 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what's stopping them? < 1273371074 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 960*12 < 1273371075 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :960 * 12 = 11 520 < 1273371078 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1273371091 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 11520*4.65 < 1273371093 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 520 * 4.65 = 53 568 < 1273371093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mugabe is heavily armed and capable of rigging elections. < 1273371113 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :600 gbp huh < 1273371135 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1273371175 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273371248 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep time < 1273371250 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1273371306 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at someone else's computer through his phone
< 1273371312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mugabe's first action was to seize all the land from white people and reassign it to black people, in an attempt to undo the harm caused by colonialism. < 1273371320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For obvious reasons, this collapsed Zimbabwe's economy. < 1273371326 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mugabe is fucking insan. < 1273371328 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insane < 1273371331 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1273371349 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you say awesome if you were one of the victims of his regime's anti-white violence...? < 1273371356 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose people can always vote with their feet... or not? < 1273371371 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're that poor? < 1273371374 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you propose to do that? < 1273371376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's done such land reassignments in 2000 as well. < 1273371382 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Face it; real inescapable fascism does exist. < 1273371399 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to end it is intervention or natural eventual collapse. < 1273371406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needless to say, assigning farmaldn to people who don't farm is a completely and utterly *retarded* idea. < 1273371407 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1273371422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farmland, even. < 1273371444 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO GUYZ LET'S TALK ABOUT CASULATOR < 1273371447 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if any countries pay for travel there. < 1273371477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's travel bans. That close enough? :P < 1273371499 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Want to come to our country? We'll send an armed helicopter to you and pick you up!" < 1273371505 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confident that that's too good to be true. :P < 1273371508 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the TI-Nspire CAS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-Nspire) is the closest thing to the CASulator. < 1273371518 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody even said good night < 1273371521 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srew you ;[ < 1273371529 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCREW* ;[ < 1273371532 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is somebody leaving? < 1273371539 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you are. < 1273371543 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night, nooga! < 1273371546 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1273371556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and 25% of the country has AIDS, because AIDS is apparently a western plot, and those condoms make things worse. < 1273371563 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'ni' nooga < 1273371583 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Zimbabwe sounds like a really backwards place. < 1273371615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Africa. The end of colonialism there happened in such a way that *everything* got royally fucked up. < 1273371655 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we should bring back colonialism. < 1273371655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like most other places, really. < 1273371665 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES NOBODY LIKE CASULATOR < 1273371665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that'll make things worse. < 1273371722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mugabe's first action was to seize... <-- well not the first, but maybe the first really stupid one. he'd had powers for decades before that < 1273371734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Mmm, right. < 1273371765 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do independence movements get started? < 1273371765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that vividly because it's the first action of his that is literally the *antithesis* of a good idea. < 1273371790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Most of the time? People with guns that are pissed. < 1273371793 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Armies don't simply form because a bunch of people want to be in an army. < 1273371814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, armies form because they feel that they *must* fight. < 1273371881 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do they get their resources, and who leads them? < 1273371915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any way they can, and whoever was both lucky enough and sufficiently charismatic to lead them. < 1273371938 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1273371991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how well it ends up is, well, a crapshoot. < 1273372005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i occasionally see Botswana (zimbabwe's next door neighbor) mentioned as one place in africa which is _not_ fucked up. at least as far as government is concerned. < 1273372018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can end up with the US, or you can end up with North Korea. < 1273372021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273372022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional democracy and all < 1273372052 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well would a revolution work nowadays, given that you have all this war technology? < 1273372069 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mugabe would crush any oppression < 1273372073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, yeah. Botswana has a stable government and everything. < 1273372076 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you simply can't get guns. and if you do, mugabe has more. < 1273372106 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 16% of Botswana has AIDS apprently < 1273372138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always something :( < 1273372148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's because AIDS is just plain *rampant* in all of Africa. < 1273372149 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems you could just program your technology to only work in the hands of the government. < 1273372175 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was reading the botswana article and i was < 1273372176 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all < 1273372177 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boom, the revolution guys have no technology, and they lose. < 1273372182 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee whiz this place does have a good government as these things go < 1273372183 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LOL AIDS" < 1273372184 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1273372215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Having a lot of AIDS is pretty good compared to most of the rest of Africa. < 1273372226 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1273372233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, otherwise you have a lot of AIDS *and* everything else that could be wrong. < 1273372247 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Africa sounds like it has a lot of stuff wrong with it. < 1273372274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Colonialism ended in the 50s, and it ended roughly by "Fuck it, we're just leaving". < 1273372287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bunch of war and shit, and voila. Africa. < 1273372288 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a great way to end colonialism. < 1273372305 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bunch of war and shit". < 1273372306 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how expensive it would be to invade Africa again. < 1273372320 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, glossing over the details. < 1273372327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Yeah. :) < 1273372334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's lots of them! < 1273372367 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thought actually ran through my head: "Let's invade Africa and govern them well until their skin--wait, skin color isn't actually determined by prosperity." < 1273372379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: ... < 1273372432 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: I believe you are insane. < 1273372564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's about we just make South Korea an island as a show of power and call it a day? < 1273372643 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273372682 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. If you're a dual citizen, and you go to prison in one country, can the other country generally pluck you out if they want to? < 1273372711 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1273372727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: No. < 1273372733 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discussions with pikhq lead me to believe that even as a purely British citizen in another country, the only way Britain can touch me whatsoever is if I committed a crime on British soil. < 1273372741 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have, then they can apply for extradition. < 1273372756 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd assume that someone with /dual/ citizenship would have an even stronger case to stay in the country they reside in. < 1273372768 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, like... < 1273372793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: They can also petition for your release *from* jail if they feel that the jailing is in some way unfair. < 1273372799 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I commit a crime in Country A, so I go to prison there. Country B, however, doesn't consider this a crime, and would be willing to have me as a citizen. < 1273372806 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well that's nice :P < 1273372808 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And stuff. < 1273372809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such petitioning can actually get pretty serious. < 1273372816 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: No, that would not work. < 1273372823 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, if you escaped to country B, country A /could/ apply for extradition. < 1273372830 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the crime was serious it would be denied, though. < 1273372836 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.) < 1273372855 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that extradition generally requires the thing to be considered a crime in whatever country you're to be extradited from. < 1273372868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically, yes. < 1273372880 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the point is, no, you couldn't escape prison by going to another country, I don't think. < 1273372886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on the extradition treaty. < 1273372948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1273372962 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, for my statement? < 1273372971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, uorygl's. < 1273372973 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: facsimile < 1273373012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: You could escape prison by going to a country without extradition treaties. < 1273373024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most such countries suck *ass* though. < 1273373037 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZIMBABWE! < 1273373041 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it comes full-circle. < 1273373043 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, the thing to do is install an app on my iPhone that will teleport me to the country of my desire. < 1273373141 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was rejected by apple sorry < 1273373194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, one can avoid a death sentence from, say, the US, by going to a country that doesn't extradite unless there is *0* chance of a death sentence happening. < 1273373207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mexico, Canada, and the EU are all like this) < 1273373224 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that. That's nice of those countries. < 1273373265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human rights laws mandate it. < 1273373307 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... apparently [i.e., reddit IAmA credibility] the guy who designed the current American flag was a child abuser. < 1273373309 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michigan doesn't have death sentences. Unless you commit a crime in a national park or something. < 1273373314 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/c0ua8/i_am_the_sister_of_a_man_who_was_sexually_abused/ < 1273373315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the US has no extradition treaties with Taiwan, because *you can't have treaties with a country you don't recognise the existence of*. < 1273373319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bwahahahah. < 1273373325 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US doesn't recognise the existence of Taiwan???? < 1273373331 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly? < 1273373341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Recognising Taiwan and China are mutually exclusive. < 1273373355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As each claims the other's territory as their own. < 1273373359 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I find some product that says "MADE IN TAIWAN", it's a lie? < 1273373362 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they? Just recognise China-sans-Taiwan and Taiwan-sans-China, and if the China don't like it, sucks to be them. < 1273373367 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., only the relevant territories from both < 1273373399 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acer, Asus, HTC, ... < 1273373405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :China will not have *any* relations with any organization that recognises Taiwan as an independent state. < 1273373409 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they listed as being in whatever database the US as? < 1273373411 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :China? < 1273373443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are listed as Chinese Taipei, Taiwan, Formosa, the Republic of China, etc. < 1273373472 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean China will not threaten them? < 1273373503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like most countries, we go to *great* lengths to have informal relations with them while making it *perfectly* clear to the PRoC that we are merely having discussions with the rebels. < 1273373515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not recognising their sovereignity. < 1273373522 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1273373525 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does that mean China will not threaten them? < 1273373525 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1273373537 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't declare war against a country you don't recognise! < 1273373537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes the UN. < 1273373613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: but they wouldn't consider it a war against another country < 1273373629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an internal chinese matter < 1273373649 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but < 1273373654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they = PRC) < 1273373659 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if USA recognises Taiwain, then China does-not-recognise USA < 1273373663 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore China cannot-declare-war-on USA < 1273373689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusingly, the ROC treads carefully to *not* declare itself an independent state. < 1273373698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They claim the same borders they had in the 40s. < 1273373733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, both chinas are members of the world trade organization < 1273373750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Headachetastic. < 1273373768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so taiwan _does_ have mandated free trade with the US and many other countries < 1273373791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: The US is required by law to defend Taiwan if the PRoC attacks. < 1273373792 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can china be a member of WTO if WTO recognises Taiwain? < 1273373800 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's against the axiom of China-Taiwain calculus < 1273373802 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Taiwan < 1273373805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of this, we have a permanently deployed *fleet* around Taiwan. < 1273373814 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just... discussing. With the rebels. < 1273373820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: they're technically not recognizing taiwan as a _country_, just a special region, i think < 1273373821 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our army. Is discussing with the rebels. At their location. < 1273373827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1273373827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permanently. < 1273373841 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the chinese government ever exercise any actual power in taiwain? < 1273373843 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*taiwan < 1273373846 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't think how they'd go about doing it < 1273373854 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: The WTO deals with *trading entities*. Not countries. :P < 1273373857 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273373886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the PROC government maintains no power over the Taiwan. Just the ROC. < 1273373916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: on the reverse side, greenland and the færøyer are not part of the EU, despite being part of the kingdom of denmark < 1273373931 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faeroeroaeroaeryer. < 1273373947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't even going to try to remember the english spelling. < 1273373961 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh like that's easier < 1273373966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The EU treaties generally don't apply to out-of-Europe holdings of member countries. < 1273373985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, aren't those considered seperate countries which *happen* to be also part of the Kingdom of Denmark? < 1273373997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like how Australia, Canada, and the UK all have the same Queen? < 1273373998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: færøyene are in europe, most definitely, and i think greenland was in EU, then voted to secede < 1273374010 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Polish pop star faces two years' prison for blasphemy; made negative statement about the Bible in TV interview.]] < 1273374011 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nooga < 1273374031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do have some free trade agreement though < 1273374035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1273374079 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/c1je9/polish_pop_star_faces_two_years_prison_for/ ;; oh < 1273374084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahah. < 1273374107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taiwan's membership in the WTO is as the "Separate Customs Territory of Taiwan, Penghu, Kimmen and Matsu". < 1273374149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they may be considered so _now_, but i'm not sure they were so at the time denmark joined the EU < 1273374156 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mendark. < 1273374164 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romething is sotten in the state of Mendark. < 1273374173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greenland got a greater autonomy agreement just last year (or was it this winter?) < 1273374178 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((I hear it's country matters)) < 1273374238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that Shakespeare must have been a great fan of puns
< 1273374326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: there have been debates about removing norway's blasphemy law recently (i'm not even sure if it's been repealed or not, but i _think_ not). it's been a sleeping law for half a century, though. < 1273374343 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "country matters" is hardly a pun! < 1273374356 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like pretty darn close to an outright uttering of a pretty serious expletive :-) < 1273374357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Cunt-ry matters. < 1273374364 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, you don't say. < 1273374365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1273374368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, cursing. < 1273374398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it completely bizzare that the ROC *can't* change the regions that it claims. < 1273374406 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally in the Royal Shakespeare Company production with David Tennant and Patrick Stewart that was broadcast on BBC2 on Boxing Day (-- 3 hours without interruptions, sheesh --) Tennant basically pronounces it exactly as "cuntrrrrry matters".) < 1273374426 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which, you know, sort of offended my innate British sensibilities. How dare they put this filth on the BBC? :P) < 1273374438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It they reduced their claims to just the area they control, the PROC will consider this a declaration of independence and go to war. < 1273374453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if ROC claims tibet or not
< 1273374472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the *PROC* is the government that should be declaring independence: they're the bastards who revolted against the ROC! < 1273374477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1273374496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Because they did in the 40s, and to not claim it would cause war. < 1273374501 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Norway has a blasphemy law? < 1273374547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: well a blasphemy paragraph in a law (the law of punishment, probably) < 1273374551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.png < 1273374596 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, Finland has a blasphemy law, and they actually use it. < 1273374600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i wasn't sure when china started claiming tibet, they only invaded in the 50s didn't they, but i guess they only consider tibet's former independence a temporary lapse... < 1273374601 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol the ROC just claims everything < 1273374606 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, Finland? < 1273374612 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a country that just claims the entire world < 1273374623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sealand should do it. < 1273374624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273374626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so "always" claimed it < 1273374627 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure many nomics do that. < 1273374643 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland, section 10 of chapter 17 of the penal code relate to blasphemy.[10][11] Unsuccessful attempts were made to rescind the section in 1914, 1917, 1965, 1970, and 1998.[12] < 1273374643 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1969, Finland prosecuted Harro Koskinen for publishing a picture of his painting called Pig Messiah, which featured a crucified pig. For violating the sensibilities of a religion, Koskinen had to pay a fine.[13][14] < 1273374644 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2008, the issue of religious sensibilities arose again. On 30 May 2008, Tampere District Court sentenced Seppo Lehto to two years and four months imprisonment for offences which involve hate speech and blasphemy. The court found Lehto guilty of: defamation, incitement of an ethnic group, and violating the sensibilities of a religion. The judgment said that Lehto had violated the sensibilities of Islam because he had disseminated, with insulting intentions < 1273374644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, better. < 1273374645 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, material which openly blasphemes and desecrates that which Muslims deem holy.[14] Outraged at the punishment of Lehto, Jussi Halla-aho, a Helsinki councilman, posted to the Internet in 2008 some controversial remarks about Islam and about Somalis. Those remarks induced the Helsinki District Court to order Halla-aho to trial.[15] < 1273374648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*North Korea* should do it. < 1273374673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We declare war on everyone else! MWAHAHAHAH!" < 1273374688 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did that in Civilization IV once. < 1273374692 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, once.) < 1273374705 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what happened afterward; I think I got bored and quit. < 1273374770 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Canada said that the only true Canadas are Old Canada and New Canada, and that all other entities using that name are misguided. < 1273374781 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(New Canada was the barely-played-at-all successor to Canada.) < 1273374784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CountriesRecognizingROC.png Such a headache. < 1273374804 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember Old and New Canada. < 1273374816 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old Canada was IRCNomic, which was a right fun time apart from that UPPERCASE bullshit. < 1273374822 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, everything else AnMaster did. < 1273374837 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Canada I believe you played for perhaps three posts, maybe 1.5 serious. < 1273374847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um, what's the legend on that? < 1273374897 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strong green = embassy < 1273374899 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_Republic_of_China < 1273374903 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think? < 1273375004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strong green = embassy, light green = "just talking with the rebels, friend PROC." < 1273375018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_Republic_of_China#List_of_countries_with_diplomatic_relations_with_the_ROC < 1273375037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that legend claims light green = diplomatic relations but not embassy < 1273375044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably consulates? < 1273375050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unofficial diplomatic relations. < 1273375062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like the "American Institute in Taiwan". < 1273375088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is itself a *massive* clusterfuck. < 1273375116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The American Institute is a US corporation, wholy owned by the US government, and staffed by federal employees. < 1273375119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And diplomats. < 1273375163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, *great* lengths to claim we're just "talking with the rebels". < 1273375194 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just buy out China, Zimbabwe and North Korea. < 1273375197 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, buy out. < 1273375214 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :China sounds really expensive. < 1273375218 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, really expensive. < 1273375225 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the most expensive single object in the world. < 1273375230 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it's *multiple objects*. < 1273375257 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Underneath China there is an inscription in the earth: "MADE IN CHINA" < 1273375275 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's probably cheap tat. < 1273375286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wall of china is basically the edge of the M < 1273375292 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like the inscription on the International Space Station. < 1273375293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only part that shows < 1273375311 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the inscription on me that says "Made in the U.S.A.". < 1273375314 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION displays his ear.
< 1273375334 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawt. < 1273375350 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, what laws apply on the ISS? < 1273375369 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say each person is bound by the laws of whatever country they're from. < 1273375386 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/ISS_26.07.07.jpg which part is the ISS? < 1273375392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I think we actually *could* buy out North Korea quite feasibly. < 1273375414 0 :augur!~augur@c-68-54-80-152.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273375420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: except north korea would bail out of the agreement, _after_ taking the money < 1273375435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1273375458 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I don't remember the ISS looking quite so acular. < 1273375460 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we shoot them < 1273375462 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a really big gun) < 1273375475 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the line is meant to be the ISS < 1273375475 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHATS THIS ABOUT LINGUISTICS? < 1273375479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define acular < 1273375481 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be ridiculous, surely < 1273375481 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1273375481 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ketorolac tromethamine: nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (trade names Acular and Toradol) that is administered only intramuscularly \ [13]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn \ < 1273375488 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think uorygl just made up "acular" < 1273375493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: The ISS is under *very confusing* jurisdiction. < 1273375493 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm afraid I did. < 1273375494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say. < 1273375501 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, someone who knows enough Latin will surely know what it means. < 1273375506 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might go ask in ##latin. < 1273375508 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Orally? (O'Rly) < 1273375529 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, as for the ISS, we should ask an astronaut. < 1273375565 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who should we ask? Mike? Jeff? < 1273375568 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be fun if countries were on this stonkin' great big global country-stock market < 1273375569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're an anarchosyndicalist commune. < 1273375576 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could buy out countries and stuff < 1273375580 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: AWESOME < 1273375587 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/and/ they live in zero gravity, too < 1273375593 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's not to like??? < 1273375596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"each partner shall retain jurisdiction and control over the elements it registers and over personnel in or on the Space Station who are its nationals." < 1273375637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... The *modules* are under the jurisdiction of whoever made them, but the *astronauts* are under the jurisdiction of their country of origin. < 1273375675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means food can change jurisdiction by being eaten. < 1273375689 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a lot easier to just have a bunch of National Space Stations. < 1273375697 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What jurisdiction is the resulting feces? < 1273375711 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Or just make it an anarchosyndicalist commune. < 1273375714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't a clue. < 1273375720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Or just make it an *independent nation*. < 1273375721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1273375729 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But each National Space Station would be staffed by approximately half a person. < 1273375749 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wow. < 1273375750 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to howmanypeopleareinspacerightnow.com to see how many people are in space right now.
< 1273375755 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call the nation Space; define it to include everything except Earth. < 1273375763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1273375770 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are at war with Space. < 1273375774 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has the interesting consequence that Earth is not in Space. < 1273375786 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six. And there are five space agencies contributing to it? < 1273375792 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each National Space Station would get 1.2 staff members. < 1273375806 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth would be an enclave of Space, though. < 1273375809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: One such space agency is the ESA. < 1273375820 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wonder what diplomatic relationships with Space would look like. < 1273375821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define aglet < 1273375823 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* metal or plastic sheath over the end of a shoelace or ribbon \ * ornamental tagged cord or braid on the shoulder of a uniform \ [14]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1273375833 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it recognise Taiwan or China??? < 1273375843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this means some modules are under 11 nation's jurisdiction simultaneously. < 1273375857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently aculus means aglet, metal tag, so acular would mean looking like a metal tag, presumably < 1273375861 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space would not allow people to recognize China as an independent nation. < 1273375865 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nations' < 1273375883 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By 'acular', I meant 'needle-shaped'. < 1273375883 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Space's GDP???? < 1273375942 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know what its GNP is. Zero; nobody is a citizen of outer space. < 1273375967 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, a lot easier than making Space an independent nation would be making the ocean an independent nation. < 1273375971 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The United States of The Ocean. < 1273376000 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be awesome. < 1273376022 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, define the Ocean to include most of Space, too, under that whatsitsname doctrine down to hell and up to heaven property law thing. < 1273376047 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, start at any point in the ocean, and travel outwards. Every point travelled to by this procedure is part of the Ocean. < 1273376059 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, though, Earth rotates. < 1273376085 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what's part of the Ocean changes as that happens. < 1273376096 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1273376138 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. The plates move too, and stuff. < 1273376142 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a little bit slower. < 1273376147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, whole galaxies shift jurisdiction daily. < 1273376190 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now define everything not in the Ocean to be part of the nation Outer Space. < 1273376194 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outer because it's outside of the Ocean. < 1273376198 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be confusing for people living in those galaxies. < 1273376220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: especially since they won't be told for millions of years < 1273376234 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the two recognises Taiwan; the other recognises China. Since which parts of space recognise who changes quite a lot, due to changing jurisdiction, just schedule your diplomatic meetings correctly and a landmass can have full relations with both. < 1273376237 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's see. It's 4:20 PM; that means we're currently in a nation where it's legal to smoke pot." < 1273376279 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it was 4:20 am. < 1273376297 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the *other* nation where it's legal to smoke pot. < 1273376298 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I couldn't imagine stoners being up at such a normal hour as 4:20 pm. < 1273376354 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, smoking pot is legal in both the Ocean and Outer Space. < 1273376490 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth < 1273376542 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: are there any^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwhat's the best weighted graph module in Haskell? < 1273376584 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something in http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/pkg-list.html < 1273376598 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/fgl, http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/pkg-list.html#Graphs < 1273376608 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that, dunno < 1273376617 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1273376639 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.12.1/html/libraries/containers-0.3.0.0/Data-Graph.html < 1273376726 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph is unweighted < 1273376727 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't all talk about CASulator I'm going to be very sad. < 1273376734 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I gave you two other links. < 1273376738 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1273376743 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going through them one by one < 1273376746 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+F "graph" gave tons of links on the pkg-list; not sure how many are relevant. < 1273376792 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irritating; so is the fgl < 1273376856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what a classmate I'm trying to help copied off the blackboard. I can;t make much sense of it: http://pastie.org/private/afxzkbjoimumy3q4tk4kw < 1273376889 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Just write your own? < 1273376892 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy in Haskell... < 1273376898 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm just lazy < 1273376904 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they have a broken mind. Ignore them < 1273376907 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: easier to write than find < 1273376915 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of programmer would I be if I wasn't? < 1273376929 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just keep changing the data structure to be more general and abstract until the functions on them are so trivial they're barely even worth being called functions < 1273376933 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you will have reached the epitome of laziness < 1273376939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, he swears that this is what was on the board < 1273376950 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they should all be point-free, right ;) < 1273376959 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all you do is write down the most trivial naive definition you can think of, write down the obvious operations, then repeatedly apply "strip data constructors and add type parameters" < 1273376961 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: probably. < 1273376963 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he's wrong. < 1273376973 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like "oh it really did say Error 43.4" no it said 455.3 < 1273376983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, or maybe the teacher's insane? < 1273376988 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less likely. < 1273376994 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely people are idiots < 1273377084 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really make a nice little editor sometime. < 1273377396 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I don't think anyone has named an editor iv or x yet. :-) < 1273377981 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-16-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273378105 0 :soupdragon!~quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1273378145 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: whoa the name is back < 1273378159 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1273378189 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1273378268 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ted.com/talks/ray_kurzweil_on_how_technology_will_transform_us.html < 1273378277 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the topic backwards? < 1273378285 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one fact in this talk I love < 1273378304 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When he mentions the human genome project -- just listen it's brilliant < 1273378319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: unicode right-to-left marker, i think < 1273378404 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so are you saying my client doesn't recognize it? < 1273378412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu, actually, it does < 1273378442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no _my_ client doesn't recognize it. i found out from the logs. < 1273378457 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so without the R2L marker, the topic would look right? < 1273378465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273378478 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why not remove the R2L marker? < 1273378515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a free channel. i cannot _type_ unicode either. < 1273378553 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu, try selecting the topic < 1273378561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as long as you keep the log link < 1273378647 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what I get for the hexdump: http://pastebin.com/7mm1p5Q1 < 1273378677 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "E2 80 AE"? < 1273378721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, but the topic should be in UTF-8 encoding < 1273378768 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E280AE = \u202E = right-to-left override < 1273378771 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1273378866 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I love Unicode in my topics. | 僕��題�ユニコード�好��。 | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1273378899 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1273378943 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it look the same on your client? < 1273379044 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the new hexdump: http://pastebin.com/xLsrUVYV < 1273379079 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o BTW, i love ted talks < 1273379103 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewisee < 1273379162 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ted++ < 1273379174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Looks *exactly* the same in my client. < 1273379192 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then your client doesn't recognize R2L overrides < 1273379204 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks much better in my client < 1273379219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, my terminal does not. < 1273379245 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah editors suck < 1273379247 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no I think I linked the wrong one < 1273379248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some "unicode terminal". < 1273379251 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hayte them < 1273379260 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ted.com/talks/ray_kurzweil_announces_singularity_university.html < 1273379266 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the one I should have linked earlier < 1273379271 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kurzweil is a crackpot, be careful. < 1273379293 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially how he keeps reprinting his book, setting forward his failed predictions a few years, but strangely somehow always within his expected lifetime... < 1273379313 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's clever, yes. But he's not someone you want to go to for a balanced, sane look at the singularity or related topics. < 1273379384 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to what he says about the human genome project, that is something I had been wondering about myself for a long time < 1273379389 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first thing I saw when i came in here was ".scipot ym ni edocinU evol I" < 1273379398 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fakescience.tumblr.com/ < 1273379405 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: no Flash or speakers, sorry. < 1273379451 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The coffee bean has a distinctive smell that makes you forget how painful it is to be awake." < 1273379455 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this site is the best! < 1273379490 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz8edy2JuW1qb25dg.jpg < 1273379514 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kyz1ogCofV1qb25dg.jpg < 1273379611 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, try this http://math.etsu.edu/LaTeXMathML/ < 1273379628 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i saw that in use on your blog, downside: < 1273379641 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the results are pretty ugly, formatting-wise, using the css, compared to e.g. jsmath < 1273379661 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but jsmath is 800MB or something < 1273379679 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P < 1273379706 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: jsmath is "obsoleted" by mathjax, but mathjax is uglier on this ubuntu box (prettier on os x and stuff) < 1273379730 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops 80MB < 1273379734 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still _huge_ < 1273379737 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsmath is like 200 kb + 3.2 mb for sprite fonts or 7.9 mb for image fonts. < 1273379741 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you get 80mb from < 1273379747 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the website < 1273379759 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you use unicode fonts or tex-fonts-on-user's-computer < 1273379761 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just 200 kb < 1273379765 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: link to the relevant page plz < 1273379802 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathjax is pretty but I am worried about the -jax bit < 1273379809 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually ajax < 1273379812 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just jsmath souped up a bit < 1273379813 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/download/jsMath.html < 1273379821 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- but mathjax output is really ugly on linux for some reason! < 1273379830 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a real shame :( < 1273379837 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show me screenshots? < 1273379841 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On a system with a 4K minimum file size" < 1273379844 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1273379846 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... my experiences with vim are funny < 1273379848 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sprite fonts won't do that < 1273379852 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're all in one big images < 1273379857 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only disadvantage, doesn't work with older browsers < 1273379860 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who cares < 1273379861 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the time when I try to type something, I end up just fiddling with keys until I accidentally enter insert mode < 1273379872 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: yeah ok the ones on their official website show the ugly, sec < 1273379885 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mathjax.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Ubuntu_8.10_Firefox_3.0.6_1280x960_snapshot.png < 1273379889 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just blurry basically < 1273379905 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not so bad < 1273379913 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: but: mathjax is basically just jsmath with css font embedding stuff < 1273379923 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just use jsmath with sprite fonts tbh < 1273379931 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsmath is too large < 1273379944 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to me < 1273379950 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 80mb is for image fonts because of minimum file size stuff < 1273379952 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprite fonts are only a few megs < 1273379961 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1273379968 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the /user/ never downloads 80mb; nor do you < 1273379972 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just due to minimum-file-size on filesystems < 1273379978 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, just use sprite fonts < 1273379984 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares about old browsers :P < 1273379987 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you certainly don't, using mathml < 1273380025 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jsmath output looks impeccable ofc, since with sprite fonts/native tex fonts it's pixel-for-pixel like tex output < 1273380033 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays with mathjax
< 1273380056 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm so you are saying that jsmath is best? < 1273380091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's best is taking over the world. < 1273380092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1273380143 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we doing today pinky? < 1273380186 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: for now < 1273380192 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when mathjax matures it will probably be better < 1273380210 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsmath+sprite fonts has had a lot of time to mature, and it renders pretty much anything you throw at it well < 1273380212 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ everyone uses it < 1273380235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Poit! < 1273380240 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1273380243 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/jsMath-lab.html < 1273380258 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets you play around with jsmath typesetting < 1273380270 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave it as use images for symbols mostly since that's what ~everyone (who doesn't have native tex fonts) will see < 1273380325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://fakescience.tumblr.com/ <-- i am _sure_ the sneezing one has to be true < 1273380332 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh yuck, < 1273380334 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: although i'd change it to image fonts for everything, not just symbols < 1273380337 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zooming on mathjax pixelates it < 1273380339 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the tex look < 1273380340 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1273380342 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that really annoys me < 1273380401 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: I believe that the /ideal/ solution is probably something like jsMath with native TeX fonts enabled, and a CSS @font-face to load the computer modern font from the site < 1273380420 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does sound good < 1273380424 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way it'd be the best possible output for everyone, and totally scalable < 1273380427 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want something like this for a program editor < 1273380430 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in fact I think you could do it! < 1273380442 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just add the @font-face and force-override jsMath into native TeX fonts it should work! < 1273380449 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just using lower_case, titleCase and SCREAMCASE is not enough < 1273380483 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like mathbb, mathcal - are essential in program code, but for some reason missing < 1273380497 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uLtRaCaMeLcAsE < 1273380547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data UlTrAcAmElCaSe uLtRaCaMeLcAsE = UlTrAcAmElCaSe uLtRaCaMeLcAsE | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1273380549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i BeLiEvE tHe TeRm Is ChAoScAsE 9NoT rEaLlY0 < 1273380640 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: oh I'm not sure but I think you also need to get e.g. the blackboard bold font from http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/download/extra-fonts/welcome.html don't quote me on this though < 1273380641 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for jsmath) < 1273380642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a 2 hour 46min phone call < 1273380647 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprite version < 1273380759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!adduserinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; main = interact $ concat . zipWith ($) (cycle [toLower, toUpper]) < 1273380771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1273380772 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1273380777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterp < 1273380778 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for userinterp! < 1273380780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1273380781 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1273380784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1273380791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; main = interact $ concat . zipWith ($) (cycle [toLower, toUpper]) < 1273380791 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273380807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Reddit, non CS/Software Engineering degrees are worthless < 1273380808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos MWAHAHAHAHAHA < 1273380827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1273380834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273380834 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273380862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; main = interact $ zipWith ($) (cycle [toLower, toUpper]) < 1273380863 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273380866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos MWAHAHAHAHAHA < 1273380869 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mWaHaHaHaHaHa < 1273380885 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos TeSt < 1273380888 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tEsT < 1273380925 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would seriously not think of that
< 1273380927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos test 1, 2, 3, end test. < 1273380930 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tEsT 1, 2, 3, eNd tEsT. < 1273380933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of what? < 1273380940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code you wrote < 1273380945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted to get the result you got < 1273380949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1273380982 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CASulator! Guys? Anyone? No? < 1273380991 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273380991 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273380993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I might buy one < 1273381004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats coppro -----###
< 1273381005 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :P < 1273381013 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hold yer horses < 1273381014 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: anarchy and chaos < 1273381016 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU BETTER MAKE A BETTER ONE < 1273381048 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLVE FOR RECURSIVE FOMRULA f(x)==:f(x) < 1273381098 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's midnight and I haven't had dinner < 1273381109 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 4:58 am and I haven't got to bed. < 1273381153 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, ! < 1273381160 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1273381174 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: btw with native tex fonts installed and jsmath i get /exceptionally/ good rendering < 1273381186 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using jsmath from now on < 1273381190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you making something or not? < 1273381196 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1273381206 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just forgetting my one-liner syntax < 1273381243 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: two nice screenshots: http://imgur.com/1Dnsz.png; http://imgur.com/tgYHE.png < 1273381252 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I did was press ctrl-+ and it scaled up the fonts for me < 1273381253 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1273381259 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got gaps in the bars < 1273381261 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc I had to install the tex fonts < 1273381270 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i think that's the fault of whoever wrote that page < 1273381278 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that certainly doesn't normally happen < 1273381282 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, all of that is using native fonts, not images < 1273381285 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really fast and scales < 1273381287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues his unending quest of Android knowledge
< 1273381290 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would even print properly < 1273381299 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people will use the sprite fonts ofc since they don't have to do anything, but still < 1273381330 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; main = stdGen >>= (\n -> interact $ zipWith ($) (drop n . cycle [toLower, toUpper])) < 1273381330 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273381334 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381351 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273381352 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273381367 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You only need to downlaod ONE of the archives. " -- yes which one? < 1273381387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: getStdRandom, or something like that < 1273381389 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; import Random; main = stdGen >>= (\n -> interact $ zipWith ($) (drop n . cycle [toLower, toUpper])) < 1273381389 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273381391 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273381391 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273381393 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1273381395 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; import Random; main = stdGen >>= (\n -> interact $ zipWith ($) (drop n . cycle [toLower, toUpper])) < 1273381396 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273381397 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381408 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273381408 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273381417 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you're right < 1273381421 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; import Random; main = getStdGen >>= (\n -> interact $ zipWith ($) (drop n . cycle [toLower, toUpper])) < 1273381421 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273381423 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t Data.Random.stdGen < 1273381444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph no answer < 1273381469 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273381469 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273381473 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ahh that is the best! < 1273381508 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: the split in the brackets and stuff seems to be a glitch in my browser/whatever < 1273381510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1273381514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: randomIO < 1273381535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or randomRIO if you want a range < 1273381540 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; import Random; main = randomIO >>= (\n -> interact $ zipWith ($) (drop n . cycle [toLower, toUpper])) < 1273381541 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273381542 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381571 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erp < 1273381573 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273381573 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273381576 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; import Random; main = randomIO >>= (\n -> interact $ zipWith ($) (drop n $ cycle [toLower, toUpper])) < 1273381576 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273381577 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost there < 1273381579 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381592 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1273381595 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reply this time < 1273381606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1273381609 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come EgoBot chats with DCC rather than PM < 1273381612 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381616 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fOo < 1273381620 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1273381622 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381625 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fOo < 1273381626 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp drome haskell main = do a <- getLine ; print (a ++ a) < 1273381627 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter drome installed. < 1273381630 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1273381631 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1273381632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it may be just generating too large n < 1273381632 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!drome foobar < 1273381637 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273381639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try randomRIO (0,1) < 1273381640 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273381640 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273381656 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; import Random; main = randomRIO (0, 1) >>= (\n -> interact $ zipWith ($) (drop n $ cycle [toLower, toUpper])) < 1273381657 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp drome < 1273381657 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273381657 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter drome deleted. < 1273381658 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp drome haskell main = do a <- getLine ; print (a ++ a) < 1273381658 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter drome installed. < 1273381659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos 日本語ã�§ä½•ã�™ã‚‹ã�‹ã�ªã€‚ < 1273381660 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381663 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!drome foobar < 1273381664 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Æ—¥æœ¬Èªžã�§Ä½•ã�™Ã‚‹ã�‹Ã�ªã€‚ < 1273381665 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fOo < 1273381666 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381667 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foobarfoobar" < 1273381671 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fOo < 1273381673 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp drome < 1273381673 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter drome deleted. < 1273381674 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos foo < 1273381678 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fOo < 1273381684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wow* it screws with Japanese. < 1273381684 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp drome haskell main = do a <- getLine ; putStrLn (a ++ reverse a) < 1273381685 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter drome installed. < 1273381686 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp drome < 1273381686 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter drome deleted. < 1273381688 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp drome haskell main = do a <- getLine ; putStrLn (a ++ reverse a) < 1273381688 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter drome installed. < 1273381690 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!drome foobar < 1273381693 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobarraboof < 1273381696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the source on toLower and toUpper, anyways? < 1273381698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it doesn't understand UTF-8 < 1273381715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, right. < 1273381721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's an IO problem, until last version or so ghc did text input in latin-1 < 1273381726 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!drome I roamed under it as < 1273381729 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I roamed under it assa ti rednu demaor I < 1273381729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual proper UTF-8 handling was added in 6.12. < 1273381736 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!drome iroamedunderitas < 1273381739 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iroamedunderitassatirednudemaori < 1273381746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than "merely not breaking it most of the time". < 1273381747 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!drome dammit < 1273381750 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammittimmad < 1273381762 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!drome amanaplanac < 1273381764 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amanaplanaccanalpanama < 1273381782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: DCC is better for large files, some of the commands give you program source and stuff < 1273381829 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MUST SLEEP! 5:10 am! Soon! < 1273381834 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh! You fucking idiot! < 1273381834 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me too < 1273381856 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: ah you are up too < 1273381859 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me feel better about things < 1273381860 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is bad < 1273381871 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[most likely this was done automatically by our spam filtering program. the program is still learning, and may even have some bugs, so if you feel the ban was a mistake, please send a message to our site admins and be sure to include the exact name of the reddit.]] < 1273381878 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for making a subreddit called jsmath to try and see if i can make it work. < 1273381882 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I would like to write up a mathematical note in jsmath < 1273381902 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after all this, my graph module in Haskell is doing fanstastic < 1273381904 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two lines < 1273381911 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: told you < 1273381916 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the lines? < 1273381925 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being sarcastic < 1273381927 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the module declaration and a newtype < 1273381992 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1273382002 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing newtypes with types is often a good idea < 1273382005 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less cruft in using them < 1273382009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :purely functional graphs are hard to do right, i hear < 1273382015 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? with types? < 1273382029 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1273382029 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's fur sure < 1273382031 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't have to do < 1273382036 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :process (Foo x) = Foo (...) < 1273382044 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can write more point-free, compact definitions < 1273382069 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, vim is awesome < 1273382074 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am happy I decided to start learning it < 1273382088 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: irc needs tex support < 1273382101 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can probably hack jsmath into this client < 1273382107 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is nobody will use it < 1273382118 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this client uses HTML to render IRC) < 1273382167 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to be able to write in proper notation rather than hackneyed ASCII crud :) < 1273382202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273382202 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273382208 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dilemmaa < 1273382219 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not a dilemma it's just a problem I don't know how to solve < 1273382224 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1273382232 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could use an algebra system < 1273382236 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black box type thing < 1273382241 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you can get a latex plugin for pidgin < 1273382242 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: we should design a CTCP extension for TeX mathmode < 1273382255 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: easier just to replace in e.g. \(...\) < 1273382258 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :($ is too common) < 1273382278 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1273382281 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less exciting < 1273382366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; import System.Random; main = interact =<< zipWith ($) . map ([toLower,toUpper]!!) . randomRs (0,1) =<< getStdGen < 1273382367 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273382371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos Testing < 1273382397 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must sleep soon < 1273382397 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5:19 < 1273382399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273382400 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273382434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; import System.Random; main = interact . zipWith ($) . map ([toLower,toUpper]!!) . randomRs (0,1) =<< getStdGen < 1273382434 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273382437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos Testing < 1273382439 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teStINg < 1273382507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1273382510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp chaos < 1273382511 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos deleted. < 1273382525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chaos haskell import Data.Char; import System.Random; main = interact . zipWith ([toLower,toUpper]!!) . randomRs (0,1) =<< getStdGen < 1273382525 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chaos installed. < 1273382529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chaos Testing < 1273382532 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tEsTInG < 1273382607 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the !! for? < 1273382616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list indexing < 1273382625 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1273382634 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, partial application < 1273382712 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckfuck < 1273382715 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: why aren't you in bed anyway < 1273382724 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to install ubuntu < 1273382732 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many problems though, it didn't work < 1273382739 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by too many I mean one) < 1273382793 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1273382844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only when you think zero is too many you have a real problem < 1273382894 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;lbk;lvbn < 1273382894 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep < 1273382915 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In September, 2007, the so-called "monkey tree phenomenon" caused a minor social mania in Singapore. A callus on a tree resembled a monkey, and believers flocked to the tree to pay homage to the Monkey God.[3] < 1273383141 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: go to sleep so that i can :| < 1273383207 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gojdflgdfg < 1273383287 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm annoyed I can't find my note < 1273383293 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawnwaerjnawerkj < 1273383311 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: stop torturing me, you're feeding my stupid justification of sleep-deprival by being awake < 1273383358 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1273383365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN FIX THAT < 1273383387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Sleep is for mortals. < 1273383391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are *you* mortal? < 1273383401 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1273383403 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NO! < 1273383405 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BEG YOU < 1273383407 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYTHING BUT < 1273383408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shock! Gasp! < 1273383408 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1273383415 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides i still have the internet < 1273383417 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and logs < 1273383419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1273383422 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1273383425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never have suspected you of being mortal! < 1273383439 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osdfjhisdjoiAWO HJ < 1273383440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose next you'll tell me oerjan is Norwegian! < 1273383442 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL ME NOW < 1273383454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect alise_ of having a goal to become immortal < 1273383463 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffff not if it doesn't come with sleep < 1273383467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that singularity stuff, you know < 1273383475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there are rumors < 1273383480 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: whyyy whyyyy < 1273383490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm. < 1273383587 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have ended up in the trash somehow < 1273383599 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: WHAT ARE YOU DOING HOW ARE YOU STILL AWAKE < 1273383690 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: no seriouslyi want to know < 1273383711 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write something up using jsmath < 1273383724 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1273383730 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: you do realise i NEED to sleep < 1273383746 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me explain something to you < 1273383757 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1273383759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: If you have biological needs, you should fulfill them. < 1273383775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do otherwise is either folly or extreme determination. < 1273383778 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: CAN'T AGE OF CONSENT LOL okay cheesy joke out of the way, yes but I have a mental need to be a complete fucking idiot < 1273383784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the scenario. < 1273383784 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /cannot make myself sleep/ < 1273383787 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: (x-t1)*(x-t2)=t^2-s1*t+s2 with s1 = t1 + t2, s2 = t1*t2 < 1273383792 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: NO NO NO DIE < 1273383793 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP IT < 1273383794 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP < 1273383796 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s1 and s2 are symmetric polynomials < 1273383796 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP YOU CRETIN < 1273383804 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE YOU FOREVER < 1273383805 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you please calm down < 1273383805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Think you could talk to someone about that? < 1273383806 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is important < 1273383810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, at the unit? < 1273383814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273383815 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha no it is not important :| < 1273383822 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are killing me < 1273383834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I do not demand that you make yourself sleep. < 1273383836 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I continue or are you going to continue making a fuss? < 1273383842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you should turn off your computer. < 1273383851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And your iPhone. < 1273383852 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uh why < 1273383868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: And then turn off the light. < 1273383872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And stare at the ceiling all night long. < 1273383884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sneaking suspicion you will fail in this task, and end up sleeping instead. < 1273383905 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night? < 1273383910 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The light shines in from outside. < 1273383918 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are probably up, some people at least; it is morning, and I am fucking tired. < 1273383925 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, the thing is < 1273383929 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say I had a button on my desk right now < 1273383938 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I press it, and my computer is off, and I'm in bed < 1273383940 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediately < 1273383942 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd press it < 1273383946 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the gap < 1273383955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Oh, that. < 1273383965 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking irrational mind < 1273383968 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1273383968 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1273383977 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck, why is this not in the ? < 1273383980 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's inside < 1273383989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, what you should do, then, is develop a strong interest in the pattern of your ceiling. < 1273383995 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah this one is better, < 1273383995 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1273384009 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: if it's in the head < 1273384013 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page doesn't appear until it's loaded < 1273384018 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes html is retarded, deal with it and put it in body < 1273384031 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What. On my computer seat? < 1273384047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: No, lay in bed. < 1273384062 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that involves shutting down the computer, getting into bed, and so many other things. < 1273384074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get your fucking ass in bed and enjoy the comfort thereof. < 1273384099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if you go there with the intent to sleep, *surely* you've been sitting sufficiently long that either standing or laying down would feel pretty good by now. < 1273384118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though, I suspect, as it is $fucking_early there, you will doze off quickly) < 1273384151 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, my brain isn't listening to you < 1273384154 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's light, i can't sleep in daylight < 1273384164 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Here are the color names most disproportionately popular among women: < 1273384165 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1. Dusty Teal < 1273384165 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2. Blush Pink < 1273384165 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3. Dusty Lavender < 1273384165 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4. Butter Yellow < 1273384165 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5. Dusky Rose < 1273384167 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, pretty flowery, certainly. Kind of an incense-bomb-set-off-in-a-Bed-Bath-&-Beyond vibe. Well, let’s take a look at the other list. < 1273384170 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are the color names most disproportionately popular among men: < 1273384172 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1. Penis < 1273384174 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2. Gay < 1273384176 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I have no idea how to make this note < 1273384176 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3. WTF < 1273384180 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4. Dunno < 1273384182 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5. Baige < 1273384184 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] --xkcd blog < 1273384194 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: ?? < 1273384196 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$foo$ < 1273384198 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[ butt \] < 1273384202 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsmath does the rest < 1273384202 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can help me < 1273384212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f . g) b = f (g b) = (a->b) -> < 1273384217 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: HAHAHAHA < 1273384218 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did NOT mean to type that < 1273384220 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: please kill soupdragon < 1273384224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Believe me, when you are tired enough you can sleep in the daylight. < 1273384230 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not that tired yet < 1273384234 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also now kill soupdragon < 1273384240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the computer is obviously not helping. < 1273384284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, seriously: have you considered talking to someone about this? < 1273384284 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/misc_answers.png < 1273384292 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am now colour blind by choice. i can no longer see green." < 1273384295 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you refer to an operator literally in Haskell again? < 1273384305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably a bit of a bad sleeping disorder, or some *really* low will-power. < 1273384308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (+) < 1273384311 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1273384316 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I need some sort of cheatsheet for jsmath < 1273384318 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, not really. I'm a teenager, we hate going to sleep and we love sleep. I am a geek with pathetically bad self-control and a severe internet addiction. < 1273384321 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: it's just latex < 1273384329 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know not for the latex parts < 1273384332 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: what parts < 1273384340 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've considered taking melatonin supplements per advice from Less Wrong < 1273384377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Not that I'm one to talk. < 1273384383 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do vertical equations < 1273384387 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1273384388 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x < 1273384389 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := y < 1273384390 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y z < 1273384392 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op < 1273384393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have had weeks where I went to bed at 5... < 1273384394 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops* < 1273384398 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: eh? < 1273384403 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\begin{align*} and shit like that i guess you mean < 1273384410 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\begin{align*} < 1273384410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PM. < 1273384414 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& x < 1273384418 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=& y < 1273384419 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=& z < 1273384419 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1273384422 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with \\ after each lign < 1273384423 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*line < 1273384426 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then \end{align*} < 1273384436 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the bit about fuchsia < 1273384439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should've disambiguated that. 5AM is much easier to pull off. < 1273384444 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: both i and ais523 have been on the sleep from 8pm--4am schedule before < 1273384445 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hell < 1273384453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it makes classes a real bitch. < 1273384480 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to cry :| why do i have to have another sleep-deprived sunday, this never happens friday night < 1273384487 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have some sort of gene that refuses to sleep sat. night < 1273384488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I've hit an 8pm--4am schedule once. By having my sleep schedule push *forward* a bunch each day. < 1273384488 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1273384490 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYYYY < 1273384509 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously: i am going to get melatonin supplements for, like, next week. < 1273384518 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1273384531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: let me guess, your brain is being geared up by using the computer a lot for the first time in almost a week? < 1273384547 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a nice theory, but this sort of shit happened to me before the unit < 1273384555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1273384560 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know freerunner schedule, "be awake until you get tired and know you can sleep, then sleep?" < 1273384566 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on extreme freerunner < 1273384577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the freerunner schedule... < 1273384590 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, http://i.imgur.com/noDzH.png this is pathetic :/ < 1273384591 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"be awake until you're so incoherent that you are not capable of logical thought for more than .5s blips, then stumble to bed and sleep for 12 hours" < 1273384603 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: hmm what did you type for that < 1273384606 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$ (x-t_1)(x-t_2)(x-t_3) $$ < 1273384607 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$ = x^3 - (t_1 + t_2 + t_3) x^2 + (t_1 t_2 + t_1 t_3 + t_2 t_3) x - t_1 t_2 t_3 $$ < 1273384616 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't do that < 1273384619 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also use \[ < 1273384620 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it like this: < 1273384639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: there is no alignment between consecutive $$ or \[ blocks afaik < 1273384644 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: < 1273384645 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[ < 1273384645 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\begin{align*} < 1273384645 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : & (x-t_1)(x-t_2)(x-t_3) \\ < 1273384645 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=& x^3 - (t_1 + t_2 + t_3) x^2 + (t_1 t_2 + t_1 t_3 + t_2 t_3) x - t_1 t_2 t_3 < 1273384645 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\end{align*} < 1273384647 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\] < 1273384649 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1273384656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to put it in some kind of environment for lining things up < 1273384663 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess I may have a sleeping disorder; but I sleep fine, it's just getting to bed. < 1273384681 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow that worked!! thank you! < 1273384700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Actually. Given that you are a teenager, you most certainly do have one. It's called "being a teenager". < 1273384725 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: I said that earlier you know :-) < 1273384733 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :align* is pretty much the go-to for any alignment job in latex < 1273384748 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about < 1273384752 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t_1 t_2 + t_1 t_3 + t_2 t_3 < 1273384754 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t_2 t_3 + t_1 t_3 + t_1 t_2 < 1273384756 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1273384758 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one should I use < 1273384762 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, but having serious trouble getting to bed at ALL? < 1273384770 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: the former < 1273384776 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t_1 t_2 is a nicer start than the more "random" t_2 t_3 < 1273384786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: the former is nicely lexicographic < 1273384849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh the second _does_ have its benefits if you're combining it with more things that also have a t_1 special, t_2 special, t_3 special order, i guess < 1273384868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I have on occasion. < 1273384883 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have almost universally. < 1273384902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Also, generally I spend at least an hour in bed before I can fall asleep. < 1273384913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes significantly more-so. < 1273384915 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too, but I would be fine if only I could get to BED. < 1273384932 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, now I'm mentally flaking but it feels like it's "too late" to embed myself. All the damn excuses my brain comes up with. < 1273384944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a few times, I have laid in bed for 6 hours, not sleeping, and *then* slept for 8 hours. < 1273384963 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;( < 1273384970 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, mathbb looks like bold text < 1273384976 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not stirked < 1273384978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like "fuck it, I'm going to fuck up my sleep schedule now." < 1273384980 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, (. function) or (function .) is a neat Haskell syntax trick < 1273384983 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: BECAUSE < 1273384984 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to < 1273384990 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/download/extra-fonts/welcome.html < 1273384995 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get bbold10-sprite.zip < 1273385005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: IT'S POINTLESS < 1273385008 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some sans-serif, fraktur, ams greek, and what I think is \mathcal there < 1273385010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (.).(.) < 1273385020 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put them in with the sprite fonts < 1273385028 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep < 1273385037 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silliness abounds! < 1273385049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the triple-breasted whore of Eroticon Six! < 1273385052 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1273385071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.) < 1273385072 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.) :: (b1 -> b -> c) < 1273385099 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.).(.) = (.)(.)(.) < 1273385100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave more lines in DCC < 1273385104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's a nearly impossible type. < 1273385113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, that would help. < 1273385122 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.) < 1273385122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:04 =EgoBot> -> (a -> b1) < 1273385122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:04 =EgoBot> -> a < 1273385122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:04 =EgoBot> -> (a1 -> b) < 1273385122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:04 =EgoBot> -> a1 < 1273385122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:04 =EgoBot> -> c < 1273385123 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.) :: (b1 -> b -> c) < 1273385157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b1 -> b -> c) -> (a -> b1) -> a -> (a1 -> b) -> a1 -> c , eh? < 1273385167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's *much* less crazy. < 1273385182 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1273385190 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get it to display mathbb correctly < 1273385193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointless, perhaps, but much less crazy. < 1273385202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it actually repeats when you add another (.)(.)(.)(.) < 1273385211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1273385261 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: look < 1273385265 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you install the fonts i told you to < 1273385267 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -sprite ones < 1273385269 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the jsmath folders < 1273385270 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1273385273 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is why < 1273385274 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need them < 1273385277 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please LISTEN to me < 1273385283 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't I use the bbold font < 1273385284 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/download/extra-fonts/welcome.html < 1273385284 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : get bbold10-sprite.zip < 1273385284 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro: IT'S POINTLESS < 1273385284 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also some sans-serif, fraktur, ams greek, and what I think is \mathcal there < 1273385284 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro: (.).(.) < 1273385285 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : just put them in with the sprite font < 1273385302 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't come with jsmath, just like a few other fonts. so just put them in with the jsmath files, job done < 1273385382 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1273385388 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. i'll go to bed < 1273385394 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't load fonts/msbm10/def.js: Access to restricted URI denied < 1273385397 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not good < 1273385406 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273385603 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us derive a formula for solutions of the general cubic with coefficients in \mathbb{Q} using Galois theory. < 1273385605 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbose < 1273385633 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is very nice http://i.imgur.com/Dcz8N.png < 1273385791 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :express the cubic formula as one equation < 1273385792 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go < 1273385832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a x^3 + b x^2 + c x + d = 0 < 1273385836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i win? < 1273385845 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1273386298 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273387281 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: adu < 1273388125 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/xhLUM.png < 1273388129 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur you like? < 1273388290 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I freaking love jsmath it's so good < 1273388477 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night all < 1273388484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1273388672 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish alise could be here to see this ;'( < 1273390221 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not LaTeX < 1273390231 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, for math, regular TeX will do) < 1273390379 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: soupdragon < 1273391999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1273392000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1273393133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1273394847 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1273396659 0 :mre!~Agent@203.109.165.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273396780 0 :aox!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1273396785 0 :mre!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aox < 1273396886 0 :mre!~Agent@203.109.165.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273397042 0 :aox!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1273397043 0 :mre!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aox < 1273397742 0 :aox!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1273397788 0 :Akamaru!~Akamaru@unaffiliated/akamaru JOIN :#esoteric < 1273398185 0 :aox!~Agent@203.109.165.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273398606 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1273399009 0 :aox!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi folks. Is anyone here into Malbolge? < 1273399456 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I am leaving. You are about to explode. < 1273400718 0 :cheater3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1273401339 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273401669 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-156-182.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1273401775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273401778 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg&fmt= < 1273401791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that this is relevant to yesterday's discussion. < 1273403223 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1273403303 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-239-199.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1273406669 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.229.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273407831 0 :mre!~Agent@203.109.165.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273407945 0 :aox!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1273407952 0 :mre!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aox < 1273408218 0 :reitheti!~reitheti@ver27-1-88-172-38-169.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273409963 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we've had like 100 discussions yesterday < 1273410433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct! < 1273412014 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a german guy in my flat < 1273412020 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's my roommate < 1273412027 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flatmate* < 1273412066 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he talks on skype all the time and listens to techno, but then he leaves to his office because he's an accounter < 1273412478 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273412525 0 :reitheti!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1273415030 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urks, skype < 1273415402 0 :aox!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: aox < 1273417939 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 < 1273418212 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@ppp-94-64-158-198.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1273418922 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.83.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273418933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't load fonts/msbm10/def.js: Access to restricted URI denied < 1273418939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did something incorrectly :P < 1273418982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:56:49 Hi folks. Is anyone here into Malbolge? < 1273418992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is in to malbolge, it is too hard to be "in" to, but yes, we have Malbolge theorists here < 1273418995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :among them, oerjan < 1273419351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:13:23 Let us derive a formula for solutions of the general cubic with coefficients in \mathbb{Q} using Galois theory. < 1273419352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1273419354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$\mathbb{Q}$ < 1273419357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works < 1273419384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:04:32 I wish alise could be here to see this ;'( < 1273419385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1273419386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did it wrong < 1273419388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:30:21 but it's not LaTeX < 1273419389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1273419394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it renders a v. large subset of latex < 1273419397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with computer modern fonts < 1273419430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morrow, alise. < 1273419437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOUPDRAGON DID IT WRONG < 1273419438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAARRRRRRR < 1273419493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 1 + 4 + 9 + 16 + ... = 0. < 1273419509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more precisely, sum(n=0, inf) n^2 = 0. < 1273419544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disgusst. < 1273419807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[20]:= FinDeriv[If[x<0,-1,If[x==0,0,1]],x] < 1273419808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[20]= \[Piecewise]1 x==-1||x==0 < 1273419808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 -1 v + 1}) - x] < 1273420071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FinInteg[e_, {v_, x_}] := Sum[e /. {v -> y}, {y, -\[Infinity], x - 1}] < 1273420106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+c < 1273420295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1273420338 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I said that. < 1273420510 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709] < 1273420793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here good with mathematica? < 1273420868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, coppro is wrong; most of the "plain TeX" maths you use is from latex/ams-latex. < 1273420889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you write "a \over b" for \frac{a}{b} < 1273420943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kohala.com/start/troff/v7man/eqn/eqn2e.ps eqn is pretty fun as the non-latex formatters go < 1273420955 0 :soupdragon!~quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1273421188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: < 1273421191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: you know that div math stuff? < 1273421193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get rid of it! < 1273421194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$foo$ works < 1273421201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you have to add one more js include, don't remember < 1273421206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can use $foo$ and \[...\] (or $$ if you must) < 1273421243 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ \zeta_3 $ doesn't work < 1273421254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1273421255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1273421273 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't interpret it as LaTeX < 1273421287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/authors/tex2math.html < 1273421297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1273421332 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should I change ? < 1273421336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, leave that < 1273421339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it automatically loads everything you need < 1273421359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: question < 1273421366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the SCRIPT at the bottom of the page right? < 1273421369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just before < 1273421372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, it will lag page loading < 1273421383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, move it there if it's not, then just change the body line to < 1273421390 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : works < 1273421396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273421403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the < 1273429658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1273429662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these should really be at end of body :( < 1273429663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or page load will lag < 1273429664 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1273429671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because browsers suck; when they see a script tag < 1273429672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a "recommends" dependency, on "apache | apache-ssl | apache-perl | apache2 | httpd". < 1273429675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they immediately stop loading the page, < 1273429681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :download the script < 1273429682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run the entire script < 1273429684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and THEN continue < 1273429688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it blocks the entire page load < 1273429703 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any reason to do this? < 1273429714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: browsers suck; that's a general law of nature < 1273429723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: man that's typeset well < 1273429730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet not even Knuth could distinguish it from TeX :-) < 1273429736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsmath is jawesome < 1273429746 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1273429747 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not suckiness, there is reason to do that; if you put it up there the expectation is that you want something run at that point < 1273429765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not doing it would break the broken document.write stuff, though that's a pretty sucky thing in general. < 1273429778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, but still. < 1273429783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluttering up the body is lame. < 1273429788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how you can zoom in all the way and it still looks like computer modern < 1273429789 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: by some people, yes; i get the feeling though that others copy putting it at the top without understanding why < 1273429801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying you can't say the browser sucks because it does that < 1273429812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably follows some spec, and if not, it does what you'd expect < 1273429832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: btw, if you use this on anything public i strongly suggest setting the default to image fonts, not just for symbols < 1273429841 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1273429842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it uses the body font for variable names and shit and it looks really ugly < 1273429848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: no no it'll still use tex fonts when available < 1273429854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it won't fall back to image-fonts-only-for-symbols < 1273429857 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1273429905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and also it bugs everyone who reads the page to install tex fonts which 99% people really don't need to... < 1273429910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : before including jsmath fixes that < 1273429971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you also need to put < 1273429971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1273429973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before loading jsmath < 1273429976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah this is a pain but ehh) < 1273430011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1273430020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: and before /that/ script, < 1273430021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1273430025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will make it better for people with non-tex fonts < 1273430140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1273430141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual way to load jsMath used to be with a SCRIPT tag within the BODY of the document; loading jsMath in the document HEAD used to require additional effort, but as of version 3.0, this is no longer the case. You can now load jsMath in the HEAD and call jsMath.Process() or jsMath.ProcessBeforeShowing() in the document's onLoad handler without ever having any jsMath calls within the BODY of the document. The old jsMath.Setup.Body() call is no longer needed < 1273430141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1273430160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: does the mathbb stuff show for you? < 1273430181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just shows as bold for me < 1273430201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1273430202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using easy/load.js to load jsMath, you can add the new font to the loadFonts array in easy/load.js. For example, < 1273430202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : loadFonts: ["cmmib10"], < 1273430202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will cause the cmmib10 font to be available on every page that uses easy/load.js. If you are loading jsMath.js by hand, then in the HTML file that will be using the new font, include the line < 1273430204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1273430206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right after loading jsMath.js. That will load the data needed for jsMath to handle the cmmib10 font. < 1273430208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: ^^ do that < 1273430213 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do it < 1273430220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1273430225 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will update my file < 1273430272 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1273430539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff < 1273430564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Ehh who wants blackboard bold anyway right?? Stupid Bourbakian invention? ...right? Right? < 1273430578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273430613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/Linear_algebra#Application:_Analyzing_Liberal_style_on_Wikipedia < 1273430616 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sobs
< 1273430658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: you do not sound convince.d < 1273430660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*convinced < 1273430698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: just to check, you have put bbold10-sprite.zip's contents in the right place yeah? < 1273430704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the native version < 1273430729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: sheesh you're making bourbaki roll in his grave < 1273430739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks beneath a rock again
< 1273430742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who likes bourbaki anyway! < 1273430830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1273430859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his set theory was one of the first books i found in the library when starting university < 1273430878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, later < 1273430889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: btw you can do \unicode{x2124} e.g. for blackboard Z, but tis ugly < 1273430893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis < 1273430894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1273430963 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conservapedia :( < 1273430977 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubleplusunlike < 1273431255 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love trolling < 1273431306 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why but it's really awesome to ask php guys about a cool feature that php haven't got and then watch their mad reactions ;D < 1273431319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: aha!! < 1273431321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it almost working < 1273431325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works with images but not tex fonts < 1273431337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1273431339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works with both < 1273431358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: ok you need msbm10 from http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsmath/download/extra-fonts/welcome.html in both ttf and sprite < 1273431371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unpack the sprite one in jsmath/fonts; leave the directory as is don't expand the files just the directory into there < 1273431392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then edit jsmath/easy/load.js < 1273431395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and change the loadFonts line to < 1273431397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : loadFonts: ["msbm10"], < 1273431399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and save. < 1273431408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also install the ttf one for your personal use < 1273431420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: easy < 1273431438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: and this is what the head of your html page should look like: http://pastie.org/952666.txt?key=buhhmspyfe1dfqkcw54lza < 1273431446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect blackboard bold. < 1273431449 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: which channel? :p < 1273431508 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1273431607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: change jsmath/ in that head to where your jsmath files are obviously < 1273431614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: now will you actually do this or did I do all that work for nothing :) < 1273431774 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: not on irc < 1273431804 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1273431809 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then where? < 1273431907 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blip.pl/ < 1273431917 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much like twitter < 1273431970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: also if you want \binom and stuff you need http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/authors/AMSmath.html < 1273431979 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: except in a language I don't know :p < 1273431980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait if it has align it must already been in there < 1273431980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1273431988 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Polish ofc < 1273432015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : loadFiles: ["extensions/AMSmath.js", "extensions/AMSsymbols.js"], < 1273432017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1273432036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, now \therefore works < 1273432159 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1273432177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: dammit i broke your thing by adding my thing < 1273432304 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-16-47.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1273432338 0 :Gregor-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hot) < 1273432359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1273432465 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1273432976 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lo all < 1273432995 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't suppose one of you is 'kirarinsnow' for GCJ? < 1273433026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1273433035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i fixed it and now it is all pefect < 1273433037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*perfect < 1273433070 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever that was did GCJ in Piet, sed, J, Prolog, Octave and SNOBOL < 1273433231 0 :Alex3012!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1273433236 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1273433370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: yeah I made a lot of changes so ignore my previous advice < 1273433372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got everything working < 1273433375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper blackboard bold and all < 1273433415 0 :Alex3012!~chatzilla@ool-18b989d3.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273433446 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1273433454 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathbb is the sexiest thing I have ever seen < 1273433531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: so are you prepared to do the work of downloading some files and changing two files to get it? :P < 1273433548 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1273433551 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have mathbb < 1273433554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1273433564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only works for you, y'see < 1273433574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, mine actually uses sprite fonts and stuff < 1273433591 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't like sprites
< 1273433600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: yes, but it only shows for people without the fonts < 1273433605 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1273433610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alternative is it not working at all for those people since you don't have the image fonts < 1273433819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: here < 1273433822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/952722.txt?key=6caif1bj8kqogegg4k6tua < 1273433839 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1273433840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ultimate guide to awesome jsMath, with symbols like \therefore, proper mathbb, even \mathcal if you want, sprite font fallback, native fonts, everything < 1273433843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and $foo$ < 1273433848 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1273433851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that once and all you need to do in future is copy the head code to another document < 1273434058 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1273434169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: slight jsMath caveat: copy and paste doesn't really work < 1273434181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you cannot really copy and paste typeset mathematics. < 1273434189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double clicking on an equation gets you the tex code though < 1273434348 0 :alise_!~alise@91.104.225.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273434548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1273434648 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273434891 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: wow you can even hide the mathematics while it's typesetting < 1273435055 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: edit easy/load.js to have this instead of the :1 version, < 1273435056 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : showFontWarnings: 0, < 1273435062 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the page head < 1273435064 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;;]]]] < 1273435065 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : window.jsMath = {Font: {fallback: "image", Message: function () {}}}; < 1273435066 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can just be < 1273435070 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : window.jsMath = {Font: {fallback: "image"}}; < 1273435186 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: you can use numbered equations! < 1273435187 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/authors/eqn-number.html < 1273435224 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there is no doubt about it this is the best way to do math < 1273435227 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the web < 1273435630 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime i think i will try using @font-face so that people with modern browsers get tex fonts automatically, even if they haven't installed them! < 1273435796 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: http://91.104.225.35/maths.html i wrote some stuff about zeta summation because dammit i can't stop thinking about how to sum the reciprocals < 1273435806 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly just to test out how pretty i can get some stuff < 1273435808 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer; very < 1273435811 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1273435814 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best with linux fonts < 1273435817 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i will put in a nice mac font there < 1273435839 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ss4VX.png < 1273435865 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very odd < 1273435872 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1273435872 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1273435883 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i will see if i can fix it < 1273435932 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: For me it displays beautifully: http://imgur.com/o21rB.png < 1273435982 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not for me :( < 1273436018 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: dunno. i'm trying to fix it now < 1273436020 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the meantime refresh < 1273436022 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the font for OS X < 1273436025 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better or worse? < 1273436039 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same < 1273436048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs a VM he hasn't run in YEARS
< 1273436103 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: no i mean the text < 1273436105 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the tex part < 1273436107 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the surrounding text < 1273436128 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's changed now but it wasn't changed a moment ago < 1273436144 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1273436149 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the change better? in the non-tex bits < 1273436155 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1273436157 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have an os x box to hand, a screenshot would be nice I guess :P < 1273436163 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok right now i'll fix this alignment issue < 1273436201 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/1uTJC.png < 1273436269 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot how nice hoefler text is < 1273436338 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: and the options panel says native fonts are being used? < 1273436378 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: fixed < 1273436379 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refresh < 1273436414 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1273436430 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll fix it < 1273436431 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sec < 1273436432 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1273436614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION accidentally rtrapped himself in Win98 for a bit
< 1273436617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I escaped, though < 1273436686 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure what to be doing now
< 1273437004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Learn all the languages. < 1273437036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest getting a time machine, and finding the common ancestor of all langauges, and start there. < 1273437046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, attain immortality. < 1273437081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to be studying for at least a few centuries. < 1273437081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1273437217 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would like to learn all the programming languages
< 1273437220 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1273437310 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273437343 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would love to learn BANCstar
< 1273437382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That would actually take *significantly* less effort. < 1273437403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As programming languages have pretty much all been attested at one time or another. < 1273437414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are generally designed to be learnable in not-too-much-time. < 1273437435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though a *royal* fucking pain, I suspect someone could just about manage it in a human lifetime. < 1273437456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they'll be damned bitter about the continual invention of programming languages. ;) < 1273437495 0 :anschelsc!~anschel@173.56.56.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273437511 0 :anschelsc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1273437547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair to BANCstar, I wouldn't really expect an intermediate language to be decent < 1273437652 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1273437662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1273437662 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i thought i worked out the sum of the reciprocals < 1273437665 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i worked out the product < 1273437705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Skeletons and maximal balls"; what a great title in this "computer vision" course lecture-slide. < 1273437735 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximal balls are maximally manly < 1273437778 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: anyway < 1273437800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-level point "Skeletons", second-level point "formation with maximal balls", third-level sub-point "the result can be non-homotopic". < 1273437854 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inf! = sqrt(2 pi); inf! = 1*2*3*4*...; 1/abcd = (1/a)(1/b)(1/c)(1/d); (1/1)(1/2)(1/3)(1/4)...=1/(1*2*3*4*...); so the product of the reciprocals is 1/sqrt(2 pi) < 1273437856 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: ^ < 1273437872 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1273438002 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: I think I fixed http://localhost/maths.html < 1273438018 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to cmd-refresh or whatever it is < 1273438022 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the new versio < 1273438038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's no such file in my localhost." < 1273438060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have experience with ILLGOL? < 1273438070 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er oops < 1273438078 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://91.104.225.35/maths.html < 1273438107 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/should/ display the most beautiful rendering of mathematics ever conceived of :P < 1273438137 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still broken < 1273438150 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :View source; does it include this line? < 1273438155 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : vertical-align: baseline; < 1273438157 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH I bet that's why < 1273438183 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: refresh < 1273438202 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1273438227 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I haven't killed anyone at ALL since I started programming in ILLGOL!" < 1273438227 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not working? whattt < 1273438286 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: does the view source show this: < 1273438292 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : div.typeset { < 1273438292 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : margin: 1.4583em 0; < 1273438292 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1273438316 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1273438341 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ... what the fuck < 1273438364 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try now, tried something new < 1273438373 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed! < 1273438374 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be slightly /above/ the text now < 1273438378 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1273438381 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit above the baseline < 1273438384 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just quickly fix that < 1273438385 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is < 1273438475 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is between 0.11 and 0.12 em too high < 1273438475 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1273438530 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1273438532 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: refresh again :P < 1273438536 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this is a pain, just trying to diagnose it < 1273438546 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken again < 1273438570 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a lot easier if I had safari to hand... try now? < 1273438644 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using firefox < 1273438678 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. so am i, firefox 3 here though < 1273438681 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 3.6 or anything < 1273438925 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273438957 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number n is irrational iff Unknown control sequence '\msbm' and Unknown control sequence '\msbm'. < 1273439029 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.225.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273439085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hi < 1273439199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i'll try to fix it later... can't seem to right now < 1273439208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://localhost/galois.html ;; I PLAGIARISED YOU < 1273439217 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching TheCatsters < 1273439347 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273439356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1273439404 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1273439440 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about, in a D&D game, how to make a rule that if two magical effects are making anti-magic field with overlap areas, that there can be interference pattern. < 1273439454 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some places they constructively interfere and in others they destructively interfere. < 1273439487 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some places you can still cast spells but the range would be severly restricted to a few inches. If you can't cast a spell, try moving a few inches and try again. < 1273439558 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-34-17-217.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273439567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Interesting fact: John Baez founded the school of Baezian statistics. < 1273439648 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, in some anti-magic that doesn't count as a magical effect in that way, it will just be antimagic without the interference pattern. Another way there would be no interference pattern is if one of them is caused by an artifact and the other by a non-artifact. < 1273439788 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this idea? < 1273439816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely! I like it and I didn't even read it. < 1273439856 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1273440016 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't you read it? < 1273440035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play D&D. < 1273440076 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then how can you know if you like it? < 1273440089 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't read it? < 1273440101 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I be doing for the next few hours < 1273440130 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1273440151 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon--make a generator for something normally seen as "too vague to define" < 1273440154 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1273440175 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1273440248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i like anything you say it's usually awesome < 1273440257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: TYPESETTING BEAUTIFUL MATHEMATICS < 1273440258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1273440259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing code < 1273440266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code is fun occasionally. < 1273440268 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any more mathematics to write out < 1273440278 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have lost that drive to write programs < 1273440294 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should solve a quintic in radicals < 1273440325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: prove that there does not exist a pair of turing-complete machines/automatons A and B such that neither A nor B are Turing-complete, but feeding some code S to A (producing a potentially infinite output) and then feeding the result into B as its code yields Turing-completeness < 1273440351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this would remove any doubt about the validity of ais523's 2,3 TM proof; since the generating automaton is not Turing-complete, and the whole construction is Turing-complete, the 2,3 TM would therefore have to be Turing-complete) < 1273440360 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: OK, play a game, perhaps? Such as Super ASCII MZX Town (series)? Or even make up a game. < 1273440378 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise - isn't that obvious? The composition of two subturing functions is subturing < 1273440378 0 :Gregor-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... you just said A and B are TC ... do you mean that A and B are non-universal TM, but their interaction is universal? < 1273440391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-L: Yes < 1273440391 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps, play Sub-EBCDIC ZZT Village. < 1273440393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: it isn't obvious because of infinite output < 1273440407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: the generating automaton in ais's proof generates an infinite, non-repeating -- but still generated by a sub-TC -- computer < 1273440408 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, "Sub-EBCDIC ZZT Village" doesn't exist) < 1273440412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this then invokes TC behaviour in the 2,3 TM < 1273440417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument is whether this makes the 2,3 TM TC < 1273440417 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I was thinking of making a rougelike but I don't think I can really be bothered because I expect that i would give up on at before it was really good < 1273440418 0 :Gregor-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One stack machine + one stack machine = one Turing machine. < 1273440422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1273440426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just makes {automaton} + {2,3} TM < 1273440432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-L: No, but that isn't what I said. < 1273440434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just the interaction. < 1273440454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of B(x), we do B(A(x)), where A's output /may be infinite and non-repeating/, but both A and B are sub-TC. < 1273440467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove then that B(A(x)) is not Turing-complete. < 1273440480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has not been proved, if it has I am stating it wrong < 1273440486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was the fundamental disagreement about ais's proof < 1273440555 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273440684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly soupdragon is not nterested :P < 1273440690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interested < 1273440741 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking about it now < 1273440762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1273440783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you disprove it, i.e. it does not hold for all TMs, the controversy remains :( < 1273441106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: so... prove it :P < 1273441129 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't prove this < 1273441140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1273441232 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273441279 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK MY INTERNET CONNECTION < 1273441284 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK IT WITH A RUSTY HOSE < 1273441330 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't think it's true < 1273441338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OKAY < 1273441341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Why not? < 1273441351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's very obviously intuitive. Just perhaps not true. < 1273441351 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have to put stronge restrictions on G than just subturing < 1273441368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1273441427 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't constructed but I can imagine there could be a TC FG where F and G are subturing < 1273441444 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably exploiting the bijection between |N and |N*) < 1273441472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but why do you imagine this? < 1273441512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems obvious to me that you cannot have complexity contained in a one way strand of communication, if the thing being communicated is not complex, and the thing it is being fed to does not have the power to create complex things, < 1273441517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then whence the complexity (Turing-completeness)? < 1273441640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: EH EH < 1273441642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHENCE < 1273441742 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you needed to calculate something, but you could only generate a bunch of stuff that included the answer - that might be subturing. If you could only find the correct answer in a stream that had it already, that would be subturing too -- but perhaps together turing < 1273441800 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273441809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: hmm < 1273441817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, that formula that gives negative -> not prime; positive -> prime < 1273441819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a prime-checker < 1273441821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a prime generator < 1273441827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though neither can generate just primes? < 1273441833 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273441839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it applies to Turing-completeness but it's a good argument < 1273442047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My step-mother asked me to look up "Calorie City" as a joke grr < 1273442088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1273442154 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She often asks me to look up places, so I thought it was just another place to look up < 1273442160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So she wasted my time with a pathetic joke < 1273442212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could not look up the places in future. < 1273442229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, how is it a joke? It lacks notable qualities, like even the seeming intent to be funny or meaningful in some way. < 1273442233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I just don't get it. < 1273442267 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell your mom it says gullible on the ceiling < 1273442276 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if she falls for it you have made her look up < 1273442290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, tell her gullible is actually spelled "gulliable", and gullible is the americanisation < 1273442294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell her to look it up in the dictionary < 1273442296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273442314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful. < 1273442328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, she always tries to get me to eat, which I guess is nice < 1273442339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1273442551 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am really stunned by diophantine equations < 1273442609 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, eating is kind of a good thing. < 1273442848 0 :`q`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Quadrescence < 1273442864 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1273443200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273443282 0 :augur_!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1273443307 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273443635 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1273444987 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273445634 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1273446206 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1273447516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let prevSq n = (floor . sqrt $ fromIntegral n)^2 in [n - prevSq n | n <- [1..50]] < 1273447533 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0,1,2,0,1,2,3,4,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,0,1] < 1273447544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1273447563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let prevSq n = (floor . sqrt $ fromIntegral n)^2 in [n - prevSq n | x <- [1..50], let n = 2*x^2] < 1273447565 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,4,2,7,1,8,17,7,18,4,17,32,14,31,9,28,2,23,46,16,41,7,34,63,25,56,14,47,1,36,73,23,62,8,49,92,34,79,17,64,113,47,98,28,81,7,62,119,41,100] < 1273447639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let prevSq n = (floor . sqrt $ fromIntegral n)^2 in [x | x <- [1..50], let n = 2*x^2, n - prevSq n == 1] < 1273447641 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,5,29] < 1273447700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 28*29*(2*28+1)`div` 6 < 1273447702 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7714 < 1273447778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let prevSq n = (ceiling . sqrt $ fromIntegral n)^2 in [x | x <- [1..50], let n = 2*x^2, n - nextSq n == -1] < 1273447808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let nextSq n = (ceiling . sqrt $ fromIntegral n)^2 in [x | x <- [1..50], let n = 2*x^2, n - nextSq n == -1] < 1273447810 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2,12] < 1273447826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1273447847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 24*25*(2*24+1)`div` 6 < 1273447849 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4900 < 1273447852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! < 1273447897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 2*29^2-1 < 1273447898 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1681 < 1273447910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell sqrt 1681 < 1273447912 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :41.0 < 1273448052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 29^2-1 < 1273448054 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :840 < 1273448139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let prevSq n = (floor . sqrt $ fromIntegral n)^2 in [x | x <- [1..1000], let n = 2*x^2, n - prevSq n == 1] < 1273448141 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,5,29,169,985] < 1273448323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let nextSq n = (ceiling . sqrt $ fromIntegral n)^2 in [x | x <- [1..1000], let n = 2*x^2, n - nextSq n == -1] < 1273448324 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2,12,70,408] < 1273448697 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273448915 0 :aox!~Agent@203.109.165.173 JOIN :#esoteric