00:03:15 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:03:50 My laptop is, for all intents and purposes, dead 00:03:57 Needs a new power cable 00:15:40 -!- augur has joined. 00:17:31 -!- Oranjer has joined. 00:22:57 -!- CT|P4 has joined. 00:26:06 `translate programvareverkstedet 00:26:08 var sl_select, tl_select, web_sl_select, web_tl_select;var ctr, web_ctr, h;var tld = ".com";var sug_lab = "";var sug_thk = "";var sug_exp = "";var dhead = "Dictionary";var dmore = "View detailed dictionary";var tr_in = "Translating...";var isurl = "";var show_roman = "Show romanization";var hide_roman = 00:26:44 Meh, Google Translate says it's "software workshop". 00:26:47 software workshop 00:26:51 ...right 00:27:00 *the 00:27:29 `translate verksted 00:27:32 workshop 00:27:49 It says 'verk' means 'plant' and 'stedet' means 'instead'. 00:28:03 hm i thought `translate used google translate 00:28:06 So maybe it's a plant instead of being a workshop. 00:28:16 that's almost nonsense 00:28:17 `translate verk, sted 00:28:19 plant, location 00:28:27 `translate verk, stedet 00:28:29 works, rather than 00:28:30 `translate i stedet 00:28:32 instead 00:28:42 -!- coppro has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:28:51 it doesn't mean instead unless you prepend "i" 00:29:05 Does 'stedet' just mean 'stead', then? 00:29:12 I guess it does. 00:29:13 the place 00:29:43 verk has several meanings 00:29:58 work, plant, pain 00:30:17 `translate tannverk 00:30:21 toothache 00:30:28 `translate vannverk 00:30:32 waterworks 00:30:39 `translate livsverk 00:30:43 life's work 00:31:16 Jatsu tsappari dikkari dallan tittari tillan titstan dulla, dipidapi dallaa ruppati rupiran kurikan kukka ja kirikan kuu. 00:31:28 finnish? 00:31:36 Finnish-style gibberish. 00:32:44 I notice that that part doesn't contain "s" except as part of "ts". 00:33:16 i didn't know ts- in the beginning of words was allowed in finnish 00:33:26 but then it _is_ gibberish, you say 00:33:27 Maybe it's not. 00:34:00 Man. That looks a lot like Japanese-style jibberish. 00:34:12 Hey, it does. 00:34:36 "titstan" isn't possible in Japanese, but I think the rest is. 00:34:39 Of course, *actual Finnish* looks a lot like Japanese-style jibberish. :P 00:34:43 they _do_ have a bit similar phonology, with lots of cv syllables... 00:35:02 uorygl: "l" is not a phoneme in Japanese. 00:35:07 Oh, right. 00:35:43 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:38:57 At least this is an opportunity to load some old music onto my N1 00:39:20 {.iatsutsapa ri di ka ri da lantita ri ti lantitstandula di pi da pi da la ru pa ti ri pi rankuri kankuka .ia kiri kanku} 00:40:04 Er, 00:40:07 {.iatsutsapa ri di ka ri da lantita ri ti lantitstandula di pi da pi da la ru pa ti ri pi rankuri kankuka .ia ki ri kanku} 00:40:34 * Sgeo ponders loading his oversized MIDI collection onto the N1` 00:40:35 N1 00:40:37 -!- Slereah has joined. 00:40:39 ia ia, shub niggurath 00:47:27 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:55:18 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:17:29 -!- Oranjer has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 01:17:56 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 01:17:57 -!- Oranjer has joined. 01:18:59 -!- Oranjer has left (?). 01:29:17 -!- Oranjer has joined. 01:44:04 The Programming Contest problem I made: http://pastie.org/949412 01:46:14 while cat $somefilename | read -n 1 somechar; do 01:46:43 it feels unintuitive to me that that should actually give a different character on each iteration 01:46:57 I didn't actually check it 01:47:11 >.> 01:47:31 maybe cat $somefilename | while read -n 1 somechar; do 01:47:41 if that is possible 01:47:57 It should be 01:48:23 You're right 01:48:27 Let me send a message 01:49:48 Sent, hopefully anyone having trouble reads it 01:50:17 you should still check it, i'm not an expert on shell programming 01:50:23 I did 01:50:34 sgeo@ubuntu:~$ echo "Hello" | while read -n 1 h; do echo -e $h; done 01:50:35 H 01:50:35 e 01:50:35 l 01:50:35 l 01:50:35 o 01:50:47 And the other way just did an infinite loop 01:50:55 Of nothingness 01:51:04 tyvm 01:51:10 you're welcome 03:00:36 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:05:47 -!- kwertii has quit (Quit: kwertii). 03:09:39 -!- adam_d has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 03:15:41 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:27:16 -!- jcp has joined. 04:17:29 -!- zzo38 has joined. 04:17:54 #"(.`,/ 04:18:42 you don't say 04:19:04 I don't say 04:19:38 See if you can figure out its purpose and if you can make a shorter one that is still only symbol (without alnum)? 04:20:08 i don't even know the language. 04:21:47 It is something on Anarchy Golf! 04:24:53 i don't really go there, i'm not so interested in golfing 04:25:10 OK 04:26:17 Did you know my "Check for brainwave activity" problem? Well, I didn't win. I got it down to 12 bytes before post-mortem. 04:26:37 zzo38, I remember it. Linky? 04:26:51 http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Check+for+brainwave+activity 04:27:07 * Sgeo screams in faux horror at the .rb 04:27:36 Why? 04:28:08 Pretending that I'm horrified at Ruby 04:28:17 Also, it's just printing a string? 04:28:26 And how does /*/g*/e*|tac work exactly? 04:28:50 It it dependent on the files on the computer. On other computers it might not work. 04:29:27 /*/g*/e* expands to /usr/games/espdiff but there is a blank line at the top of output, so tac command will fix that 04:31:25 What I didn't know is that an input would also do..... but now I learned 04:31:41 What's espdiff? 04:32:55 I didn't actually know what it was either, at first. But I looked in the files and found that file on the Anarchy Golf server, so I figured it out. 04:33:18 It says it is a program to do whatever the user wants, but actually it just delays and then tells you there is no brainwave activity detected. 04:33:36 The deep scan mode just makes it delay longer. 04:33:48 It is a shell script, you can look it up easily in Anarchy Golf server 04:34:44 I don't know why someone wrote this program, but they did! 04:37:21 -!- jcp has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:38:30 I have a question about Linux: If you use dd to copy a DVD device file to a normal file, will the file be usable as a ISO file? 04:38:53 Yes. 04:39:11 Though you may want to use ddrescue instead. 04:39:31 Why? 04:39:37 dd just craps out on errors. ddrescue goes crazy and gets the data off the disc anyways. 04:40:02 OK 04:43:11 If you record a CD/DVD, can you put the name of the device file instead of the ISO file, will that work? 04:49:16 How difficult is it to program a window manager that you can push some key combinations to send signal to the currently program, such as wm-pagedown for SIGUSR1, wm-pageup for SIGUSR2, wm-end for SIGTERM, wm-pause for SIGSTOP, etc? 04:52:07 And wm-home would be for SIGHUP and wm-delete for SIGKILL. 04:56:12 I... Hmm. I suppose you *could* use the device file instead of an ISO file on disc. 04:56:33 And that window manager feature would be *pretty darned* hard to do. 04:56:46 You see, the window manager is not aware of PIDs. 04:58:07 Ah, OK. So that's why other window managers won't do that, it is because of not aware of PIDs. But how does it sent SIGWINCH signal correctly? 04:58:23 SIGWINCH? 04:58:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGWINCH 04:58:52 Ah, that. The window manager doesn't. 04:59:11 The *terminal emulator* sends that signal. 04:59:28 And the terminal emulator does that in response to a resizing *message* from X11. 04:59:49 OK 05:00:01 So that's how it works. 05:00:04 * Sgeo loves how Ruby has 10 million different ways to do almost, but not quite, the exact same thing, for each value of thing. 05:00:48 Ah, so that's how Ruby works. 05:05:56 How to messages work in X, is it like a event loop? 05:06:23 Yeah. It might... Actually be called an "event". 05:06:37 I only vaguely know the structure of X. 05:06:40 There be deep magic in there. 05:09:22 I saw something about _NET_WM_PID it says it is used for killing processes 05:09:42 Hmm. 05:11:01 It says it can use that to check the PID for the client owning this window 05:11:25 Hmm. 05:13:49 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 05:25:53 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 05:35:15 -!- augur has joined. 05:50:06 -!- lament has joined. 05:57:15 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: If your character is a ettercap and you fall down and break all of your eyes, how many glasses do you need?). 06:24:49 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:25:46 -!- tombom has joined. 07:26:59 -!- kwertii has joined. 07:27:17 -!- kwertii has quit (Client Quit). 07:34:43 -!- Oranjer has left (?). 07:35:42 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:36:50 -!- Slereah has quit. 07:38:52 -!- Slereah has joined. 07:51:23 -!- tombom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:02:09 -!- myndzi\ has joined. 08:03:27 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:11:47 -!- pikhq has joined. 08:51:58 -!- Sgeo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:55:51 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:40:48 -!- adam_d has joined. 10:29:09 -!- nooga has joined. 10:37:28 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:48:19 -!- cal153 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 10:53:36 -!- cal153 has joined. 10:54:31 -!- cheater3 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:27:25 -!- Tritonio_GR has joined. 11:36:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:50:20 -!- P4 has quit (Quit: has just left his bouncer). 11:51:30 -!- CT|P4 has quit (Changing host). 11:51:30 -!- CT|P4 has joined. 11:51:30 -!- CT|P4 has changed nick to P4. 12:11:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:00:06 -!- FireFly has joined. 13:35:25 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 13:41:07 -!- cheater2 has joined. 13:51:12 i have some english language related questions and my native english speakers in MSN aren't logged in. 13:51:24 so I guess I will ask here... :-) 13:53:48 does "Bees have to survive. This translates to having complex social procedures" make any sense in english? Especially the "translates to" part, does it mean "means"? Or is it a bad translation from Greek? 14:04:39 huh 14:05:08 i think it's okay but i'm not a native speaker 14:09:03 really? and you are not Greek right? because that might be the reason this sounds good to you... ;-) 14:09:39 Polish 14:10:04 ok great. 14:10:08 i hope it's correct then 14:25:15 That looks... Weird. 14:26:10 ςηατ? 14:26:12 ooops 14:26:16 what looks weird? 14:35:33 "Bees have to survive. This translates to having complex social procedures." 14:35:55 I'd probably write that as something like "In order to survive, bees have complex social procedures." 14:46:13 yes i know. plus the sentence is completelly made up for the purpose of bringing up my point. anyway I found an american and asked him. i changed it to "involves" 14:47:35 Though, "translates to" is a perfectly valid English phrase, even used as "implies" or "means". 14:47:49 It just looks weird in this context. 14:48:36 ah ok then i'll keep it in mind. :-) don't mind the context. 14:50:37 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:51:34 pikhq: you can still help. 14:51:40 "The answer to this problem passes through RSS feeds and personalized micro sites." 14:51:47 "passes" 14:51:54 crap or not? 14:53:13 *shrug* 14:54:10 erm, what does it mean? 14:54:28 it looks weird to _me_, but i'm a norwegian :) 14:54:30 that RSS feeds are part of the solution 14:54:40 right, i don't think that's reasonable 14:54:52 good. neither do i 14:54:54 :-) 14:55:17 The problem is partially solved by RSS feeds etc... ??? 14:55:20 try "involves" 14:55:35 or that 14:56:12 ok thanks. 14:57:02 yours is more direct, so probably better 14:59:28 * oerjan notes the mezzacotta comic is particularly gruesome today 15:00:10 * oerjan votes it fully baked, for the first time in months probably 15:02:46 -!- kar8nga has joined. 15:03:56 -!- Patashu has joined. 15:15:13 -!- Patashu has quit (Quit: MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2). 15:18:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:24:48 byeeee 15:24:55 -!- adam_d has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 15:25:34 -!- Tritonio_GR has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:30:52 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 15:33:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:45:36 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:10:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:16:00 -!- augur has joined. 16:16:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:16:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:28:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:33:27 -!- lament has joined. 16:40:57 -!- augur has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 16:41:10 -!- augur has joined. 16:47:38 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:54:51 -!- ale__ has joined. 17:05:47 -!- ale__ has quit (Quit: Sto andando via). 17:08:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:09:15 -!- tombom has joined. 17:12:13 -!- nooga has joined. 17:12:37 nooga! 17:37:29 Phantom_Hoover! 17:38:50 You took your bloody time! 18:04:01 Which esoteric langue is the fastest in md5 generation? (http://crazy-tronners.com/P4/very/bad/md5-test?reset) 18:08:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:08:53 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:43:21 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:53:03 -!- nooga has joined. 19:05:39 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:06:45 -!- nooga has joined. 19:07:55 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 19:07:55 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:11:45 -!- nooga has joined. 19:14:48 Phantom_Hoover! 19:18:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Japanese.svg This is an awful keyboard layout. *Awful*. 19:19:34 Especially when you consider that Japanese only needs some 15 keys to be input. 19:21:02 "kstnhmyrwaiueo" suffices. 19:21:55 No, wait, that's missing diacritics. 19:22:19 2 keys for those, another for small-kanji. 18 keys, short punctuation. 19:26:55 my frient has a laptop with such kbd 19:36:06 What are Chinese keyboards like? 19:39:13 Which Chinese script? 19:40:13 There's Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, and (small niche) Cryllic. 19:41:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Keyboard_layout_Chinese_Traditional.png Anyways. This is a common layout in Taiwan. 19:41:24 Note the 4 different supported input methods. 19:42:07 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:42:36 -!- nooga has joined. 19:42:44 nooga! 19:42:57 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:43:05 How rude. 19:43:32 Also: yes, keyboard layouts are not standardised in the Sinitic languages. 19:43:46 ??? 19:44:08 There's like 20 different input methods. 19:44:20 Oh, my client must have dropped out while you were talking. 19:44:37 Most of them based on trying to input the structure of the characters, a few of them based on pronounciation. 19:45:07 (pinyin and zhuyin for Mandarin, jyutping for Cantonese, pretty much structural only for *any* other Sinitic language) 19:46:06 Sinitic? 19:46:06 (... With the exception of Dungan, which is written with Cyrillic.) 19:46:38 Phantom_Hoover: The family of languages deriving from Old Chinese. 19:47:03 Or the common ancestor of Old Chinese and Bai, if one includes that language in the family as well. 19:47:50 -!- nooga has joined. 19:48:00 nooga! 19:49:08 All of the Sinitic languages but Dungan and Bai are commonly written with a Chinese script. Bai can still be written with such a script, but Dungan cannot, do to the large number of Russian loan words in the language. 19:49:47 Also, if you buy the official line of the PROC, these are all dialects of the same language. 19:49:54 Somehow. 19:50:05 Linguistics sometimes seems interesting. 19:54:46 Although I hate having to *learn* languages. 19:55:32 Language education is commonly terrible. 19:55:58 I dropped French and German, though I still do Latin. 19:56:28 Primarily because it's taught differently, and the curriculum is less boring. 20:00:41 heh 20:01:03 I just realised that that seems absurd. 20:01:03 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:01:20 Not really. Latin is a fascinating language. 20:01:23 -!- nooga has joined. 20:01:37 Pity it's not used much as an actual language. 20:01:54 pikhq: Indeed. And I can now grasp Perligata, so it's relevant to esolangs! 20:01:56 (rather than a source of neologisms or ancient-looking flair) 20:02:55 The neologisms are fun, too. 20:03:21 I still say "praeterition" and get a warm, fuzzy feeling when people ask me what it means. 20:03:54 Quick, make harder neologisms! 20:04:23 * Phantom_Hoover runs to fetch textbook 20:04:26 Hayaku, tsukau harder shingoisms! 20:05:08 Mmm, English's acceptance of neologisms. 20:05:41 Scription? Too obvious... 20:05:42 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:05:53 Quietion. 20:06:12 It both sounds wrong and is a false friend! 20:06:18 Profection. 20:06:24 -!- nooga has joined. 20:06:30 :D 20:06:53 I like that one. I must remember to use it 20:07:18 "Which party will best aid the profection of our nation?" 20:07:43 Pervention. 20:08:11 Nescition! 20:10:18 Bah, all of the "I"s are already words. 20:10:51 Conspection! 20:11:10 Concursion! 20:11:28 Already a word... 20:16:02 My laptop's dead. 20:16:16 * Phantom_Hoover plays Funeral March 20:16:31 * Phantom_Hoover burys Sgeo's laptop 20:16:54 Well, it either needs a new 20:17:28 Power cord, or um... the hole for the power cord needs to be fixed somehow. 20:18:10 It's a bit late now. 20:18:14 I just buried it. 20:26:29 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:26:43 Why does he do that? 20:27:03 -!- nooga has joined. 20:27:34 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:30:56 There's no way to charge my computer via my phone, is there? 20:31:09 I seriously doubt it. 20:31:46 -!- whtspc has joined. 20:31:59 Your phone's battery will have much less capacity than your laptop's 20:34:50 I'd have my phone hooked up to the charger 20:35:37 Surely the voltages would be different? 20:36:06 You can charge phones from laptops because USB ports are *designed* to give power to small devices. 20:36:31 sup kids 20:36:57 Sgeo's laptop is broken, and he's running through all sorts of zany schemes to fix it. 20:37:50 nutty 20:38:10 Phantom_Hoover: my word you have quite the irish name dont you 20:38:17 What? 20:38:25 "domhnall" 20:38:31 How do you know that? 20:38:37 /whois Phantom_Hoover 20:38:53 Fuck. 20:38:58 Say no more. 20:39:01 lol 20:39:05 Goddamned client. 20:39:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: leaving). 20:39:40 haha 20:40:31 -!- whtspc has quit (Quit: leaving). 20:41:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:41:53 /whois Phantom_Hoover 20:42:05 m4|test! 20:42:08 i know you! 20:42:13 you cheeky bastard 20:42:17 What? 20:42:20 :P 20:42:48 It's m4ltest, which I used to test a theme ages ago and is now my other account on my computer. 20:43:04 Fsck, this is publically logged. 20:43:37 whatever you say 20:43:59 I blame oerjan! 20:44:23 :P 20:45:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Client Quit). 20:45:54 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:46:41 -!- nooga has joined. 20:54:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:54:39 Damn irssi. 20:56:02 augur: Let us never speak of this again. 20:59:34 Incidentally, does anyone know of a Brainfuck interpreter in an HDL? 21:01:00 -!- coppro has joined. 21:11:28 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 21:31:48 -!- augur has joined. 21:38:23 -!- impomatic has joined. 21:38:26 Hi :-) 21:39:23 A just received an Altera MAX dev board. Any ideas for a cool project? 21:39:49 It's a programmable logic device, 240 elements and 8 kilobits of memory. 21:41:47 Phantom_Hoover: http://www.clifford.at/bfcpu/bfcpu.html 21:53:12 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:53:19 -!- nooga has joined. 21:58:45 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:58:52 -!- nooga has joined. 22:01:17 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:03:03 it's official. Yesterday, there was unusual trading activity. 22:03:53 -!- nooga has joined. 22:08:00 impomatic: Hardware for a non-imperative esolang? 22:08:24 like underload processor 22:08:28 What's wrong with imperative? :-) 22:08:42 It's what everyone else uses. 22:08:44 imperative is boring 22:09:01 Underload would be cool. I wonder if it's possible with only 240 elements 22:09:10 I was just wondering about OISC. 22:09:46 OISC is fun, but it's not very esoteric to implement it in hardware. 22:10:36 Lazy K might be neat. 22:22:02 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:31:41 I need to start with something easy though 22:32:30 Lazy K's about the smallest functional language there is. 22:33:24 Looking it up 22:37:47 hueh 22:41:38 If you're not up to doing Lazy K, perhaps a hardware MARS? 22:41:53 Slereah: Lazy K is too not-minimal. 22:42:07 Namely, it has more than S and K. 22:42:43 Write it in Iota or Jot notation. 22:49:05 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:50:10 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:50:42 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 22:55:18 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:04:51 -!- zzo38 has joined. 23:06:22 -!- Leonidas has quit (*.net *.split). 23:06:27 * Sgeo assassinates his computer 23:06:44 you're still here 23:06:57 are you playing Citadels or something? 23:07:03 * Phantom_Hoover delivers Sgeo's power cable 23:07:11 Citadels? 23:08:46 -!- Leonidas has joined. 23:08:47 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:08:58 Oerjan. 23:09:02 Phantom_Hoover. 23:09:44 * oerjan detects no alise 23:10:01 alise is gone. 23:10:02 It's Fri.. oh wait, alise has been here on Fridayness 23:10:18 You won't be seeing them for a long lime. 23:10:23 ? 23:10:35 Imagine a lime. 23:10:45 Then make it longer. 23:10:54 Then see alise at the end of it. 23:11:13 Phantom_Hoover: don't joke about this, there are serious reasons why alise _could_ disappear. 23:11:21 Oh. Sorry. 23:11:29 I plead ignorance. 23:11:31 which is why i am worried when e is not here. 23:11:38 (on weekends) 23:11:57 Wait, long-term non-weekendness is still a possibility? 23:12:00 :(:(:( 23:12:01 very 23:12:26 if e's sectioned, things are bad for everyone 23:12:47 For some reason, I kind of figured that that was off the table 23:12:53 otoh we could hope he's just taking his advice to rest on fridays 23:13:42 Sgeo: why would it be? 23:14:17 coppro, because my mind just decided that hey, it's been a while since I thought about it, I'll just forget about it! 23:15:34 * coppro assassinates Sgeo's mind 23:16:18 * Phantom_Hoover wonders why everyone else always knows more about this than me. 23:17:18 Phantom_Hoover: some of it was only told in private channel 23:17:34 although it hasn't exactly been kept entirely out of #esoteric. 23:17:34 Oh. 23:18:32 short summary: alise faces the very real possibility of being put in a mental institution 23:18:44 -!- pikhq has set topic: Alise-alert | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 23:18:46 coppro, he kind of is there, but only during the week 23:19:04 yeah, but he's not formally institutionalized yet 23:19:05 I thought he was like 14? 23:19:08 (or so we hope) 23:19:10 Phantom_Hoover: yes 23:19:20 Sgeo: He 'goes there voluntarily'. And it's a 'school'. 23:19:54 except, he only 'goes voluntarily' because they're threatening to make it non-voluntary otherwise. 23:19:58 right 23:20:02 Yes. 23:22:47 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431]). 23:22:50 I assume that this has happened before. 23:22:59 sure 23:23:12 he was gone for several weeks during the winter 23:23:38 We were worried then, too. 23:24:26 however there isn't any real reason to be worried _yet_ right now 23:24:48 When do we worry? 23:25:13 tomorrow, a bit 23:25:24 Tomorrow, we get nervous. Sunday, we become worried. Monday, we start updating the Alise-missing-count. 23:25:34 next weekend, a lot more 23:25:36 Next Friday, we get Agora to declare war. 23:25:42 pikhq: :D 23:26:03 Agora? 23:26:27 Phantom_Hoover: a nomic that several people here play in. also the world's oldest. 23:26:33 Yes, the Nomic of Agora. 23:26:36 (started in 1993) 23:27:03 Oh, I've *always* wanted to play a nomic! 23:27:27 * oerjan used to play, but doesn't any longer 23:31:21 Also, if you buy the official line of the PROC, these are all dialects of the same language. 23:32:02 which would be like if a nationalistic EU decided to declare english and german a dialect of the same language 23:32:29 perhaps even english and italian 23:33:00 We're talking about Chinese? 23:33:03 yeah 23:33:15 PROC = people's republic of china 23:33:46 For some reason, "PRC" seems more familiar 23:34:01 hm maybe 23:34:10 Sgeo: Yeah. 23:34:17 taiwan is always ROC though, i think 23:34:24 oerjan: Nah, "English and German". 23:34:40 pikhq: ? 23:35:10 The Sinitic languages are more akin to the Germanic languages in the level of relation than the Indoeuropean ones. 23:35:14 ok 23:35:22 i wasn't sure about that 23:35:37 English is sort of Germanic, isn't it? 23:35:47 Phantom_Hoover: *Very* Germanic. 23:36:23 Phantom_Hoover: 1500 years ago or so they were the same language 23:36:37 oerjan: Bit more than that. 23:36:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709]). 23:37:02 Though I think 1500 years ago is about when mutual intelligibilty completely stopped. 23:37:05 pikhq: wasn't that about when the anglo-saxon invasion was? 23:37:49 oerjan: The various Germanic languages had already split off into a handful of related languages before they were actually *written*. 23:38:05 i though both english and german descended from saxon 23:38:19 i'm really vague on this though 23:38:56 Proto-Germanic split into East, West, and North Germanic. 23:39:10 yes, but both english and german are west 23:39:15 afair 23:39:23 West Germanic itself split into South Germanic and Anglo-Frisian branches. 23:39:46 ok 23:39:53 *thought 23:40:22 i may just be confused because Sachsen is a part of modern germany 23:40:47 And even back in Old English, English was freaking crazy about its foreign word acquisition. 23:40:57 heh 23:41:43 Because of things like this, English has several cognates *with itself*. 23:42:40 For instance, "shirt" and "skirt" are both cognate. 23:42:52 "shirt" native to English, "skirt" borrowed from Old Norse. 23:42:59 i knew about that one 23:43:16 skjorte and skjørt in norwegian :) 23:43:31 "Right", "rich", "raj", "regalia", "reign", "royal", and "real" are also all cognate. 23:43:52 (Germanic, Celtic, Sanskrit, Latin, French, French, Portuguese origin, respectively) 23:45:20 * oerjan recalls something about ei turning to oi in french, so those two may be from different periods? 23:45:48 English has done that sort of thing a lot. 23:46:02 "chef" and "chief" are both from the same word in French. 23:46:16 and french itself has done it with latin iirc 23:46:54 Also "warranty" and "guarantee". 23:46:55 English *loves* cognates. 23:49:38 In D&D game I want to have a "Merciful to Gibbering Mouthers" feat! I also want to have a metamagic feat that makes it the components are wasted as normal as if the spell has an effect but the normal effect of the spell is suppressed! 23:51:34 zzo38: That sounds like the most bizarre metamagic feat ever. 23:51:47 What, make it so you can fake-out casting a spell? 23:52:07 I blame oerjan! <-- *MWAHAHAHA* 23:52:40 "Holy fuck he just cast wish. Holy fuck he just cast wish. Oh god what do I do what do I do what do I do" 23:52:40 pikhq: Yes, I suppose that's one use. 23:52:46 :P 23:52:49 Yes, like that. 23:52:58 Perhaps other uses can be found, too? 23:53:07 Does it lower the spell level? 23:53:21 I didn't invent such a feat yet, but I suppose it could. 23:53:24 pikhq: i recall zzo38 plays _weird_ D&D. almost no fighting and a lot of trickery, i take. 23:53:45 so such deception would probably fit right in 23:53:45