< 1268870405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The loop seems curiously unrollable to me; and I don't quite see why it bothers to keep the loop counter updated at [rsp] while the body is really that simple. < 1268870475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when it initializes it with a constant 10 at the top. < 1268870529 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/U816YgtS is what it comes out with now (minus 30000 movb's) < 1268870537 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minus 29999 movb's, to be exact. < 1268870591 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No inlining, which is a bit weird. < 1268870613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the 30k movbs make it too large to consider inlining. Though one use only... < 1268870616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had rbx-based indexing in some earlier version too. < 1268870684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That variant seems to again do the "store 0 into [rsp], then add 10 to it later and use that as the loop condition". < 1268870709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the one I got out initializes [rsp] directly to 10, and then falls through to Block1 directly without a test. < 1268870910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1268870925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, these were from llvm version 2.6 (Debian 2.6-8), which might've been guessable. < 1268870988 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marking llbf as alwaysinline is obviously a win anyways < 1268871218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey! I got that puts("Hello World!"); out of it. < 1268871230 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great; what'd you do < 1268871307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's the address to contact the mail server owner? < 1268871309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postmaster? < 1268871332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I changed my existing <> code of "%tmp1 = ptrtoint i8* %oldmem to i64; %tmp2 = add/sub i64 %tmp1, N; %newmem = inttoptr i64 %tmp2 to i8*;" into "%newmem = getelementptr i8* %oldmem, +-N". < 1268871353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was it? Awesome < 1268871366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm-as < hello.ll | opt -O3 -std-compile-opts -std-link-opts -loop-unroll | llvm-dis => http://pastebin.com/AYiVB3pM < 1268871385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still memsets the tape to 0 for some reason, but after that it's just a sequence of putchar() calls. < 1268871399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wasn't really expecting it to combine those into a puts().) < 1268871464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the -std-X-opts flags seem to be enough, they might even imply those others; I just tried them out earlier.) < 1268871490 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that with the individual 30000 stores? < 1268871500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1268871513 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmh < 1268871567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Trunk manages to remove that memset < 1268871572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the single zeroinitializer store, I get... uh, something rather strange. < 1268871586 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From that putchar'ing code, I mean < 1268871604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay. < 1268871619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is with a zeroinitializer store: http://pastebin.com/sAzBM02t < 1268871657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I reading it wrong or has it actually removed the loop? < 1268871690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it appears to have. < 1268871711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Replacing 30000 with 128 in that one, you again get only putchars. < 1268871719 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with 2.6. < 1268871749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange sort of limit there. < 1268871768 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I filed a bug about it. < 1268871777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess the 60k individual stores aren't much better. < 1268871797 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268871829 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it'd grok a zeroization loop (like I had earlier) as something that's replaceable by a memset? < 1268871851 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably; not necessarily. < 1268871940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, I still have that loop as a commented-out bit. < 1268872130 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not my loop, but maybe my loop looks strange. :p < 1268872204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.LBB1_1: # %ZeroLoop.i < 1268872204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mov BYTE PTR [RSP + RAX], 0 < 1268872204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : inc RAX < 1268872204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cmp RAX, 30000 < 1268872204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : jne .LBB1_1 < 1268872209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it included in there. < 1268872231 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme .ll! < 1268872257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/helloloop.ll < 1268872261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time it's a bit smaller, too. < 1268872437 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another size thing here; with 20 x i8 it's again all putchar. < 1268872441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's another funny trick: opt turns my "%b0inmem = getelementptr [30000 x i8]* %tape, i32 0, i32 0 ... %p = getelementptr i8* %b0inmem, i32 %i" into a direct-reference "%p.i = getelementptr [30000 x i8]* %tape.i, i64 0, i64 %indvar.i". < 1268872466 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that manually right away to see if it would help :-P < 1268872475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still doesn't add inbounds < 1268872572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need some sleeps now, nighty. < 1268872585 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1268873600 0 :cal153!~cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268874647 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1268875252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1268877365 0 :augur!~augur@c-68-48-220-230.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268877870 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1268877913 0 :lament!~lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268877986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: how is your clique algorithm testing going? < 1268878031 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268878043 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1268878068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1268878085 0 :augur!~augur@c-68-48-220-230.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268878230 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1268878281 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1268878823 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1268879046 0 :augur_!~augur@c-68-48-220-230.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268879093 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i tried to write it in C but im completely clueless. i dont know C well enough to do it correctly. < 1268879108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1268879209 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1268879210 0 :augur!~augur@c-68-48-220-230.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268879631 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1268879786 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1268879854 0 :augur!~augur@c-68-48-220-230.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268880205 0 :augur_!~augur@c-68-48-220-230.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268880221 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1268880245 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interestingly, it seems to be maaaaaaybe exponential in the number of nodes, but linear in the number of edges < 1268880258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm. < 1268880275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad for the thing i had been thinking of < 1268880308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about why maxclique is NP-complete, and how to reduce circuit problems to it < 1268880333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas the method i found ends up making _most_ vertices have edges between them < 1268880348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1268880380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, if it's linear in edges then it must be quadratic in nodes, since no. edges <= no. nodes squared < 1268880472 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algo i have sounded pretty simple to me, but alas < 1268880475 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you looked at it? < 1268880489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the one at http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/node-relative%20maximal%20clique.pdf ? < 1268880549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a typo there, should't it be "if |s| = m then" < 1268881004 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1268881093 0 :augur!~augur@c-68-48-220-230.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268881364 0 :augur_!~augur@c-68-48-220-230.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268881411 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1268881642 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :\ < 1268881644 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its looking exponential in nodes < 1268881661 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and linear in edges < 1268881663 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is interesting < 1268881687 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess maybe not, because edge random variables i think are exponential on nodes < 1268881688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it's linear in edges given a particular node number? < 1268881692 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1268881915 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody know how to make a user account that can be logged in via ssh with no password or key? (That is, anyone can log in as this user) < 1268881928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't ask why anyone would want to do something so stupid :P < 1268881941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1268881961 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1268881981 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could always just make a user account with an obvious, shared password, but that's not ideal. < 1268882058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose what you want is an account that anyone can use but no one can prevent others from using? (not that i know how to do such a thing) < 1268882088 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy < 1268882095 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just modify passwd not to change that user's password < 1268882130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably also want to make any startup files not writable by the user? < 1268882161 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: password authentication, give it no password? < 1268882166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including any that might be created later... < 1268882178 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No password != no password prompt < 1268883672 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1268885560 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1268885600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let comb n m = product [n, n-1 .. n-m+1] `div` product [1..m] in [comb (2*n+1) n | n <- [1..20]] < 1268885611 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3,10,35,126,462,1716,6435,24310,92378,352716,1352078,5200300,20058300,77558760,300540195,1166803110,4537567650,17672631900,68923264410,269128937220] < 1268887023 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268887072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION concludes that that pdf page cannot possibly be augur's real algorithm
< 1268887101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, it cannot possibly be correct < 1268887222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1268887430 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I will do anything (almost) for a new router. < 1268887496 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1268887772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does indeed look like it must either be quadratic, or loop infinitely. < 1268887791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait no < 1268888453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be quadratic. < 1268890398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1268890398 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1268890430 0 :myndzi!myndzi@tengototen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268891471 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1268891815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: As far as I understand it, the algorithm in the pdf gives the wrong result for the following graph: < 1268891819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*--* < 1268891819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|\ | < 1268891819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| \| < 1268891819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*--* < 1268891915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With initial vertex the upper left, the algorithm removes the upper right and lower left vertices, giving a clique of size 2 instead of the correct 3. < 1268893360 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893360 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893360 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893361 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893361 0 :werdan7!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893361 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893362 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893362 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893362 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893362 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893362 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893363 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893363 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893364 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893364 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893364 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893365 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893365 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893365 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893365 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893366 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893366 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893366 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268893366 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1268897392 0 :linf!~nikita@93-81-29-84.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1268897400 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? 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< 1268923511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the national library search website in Sweden. You can get accurate references for any books in it. In bibtex format from it. Very useful :) < 1268923861 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1268923874 0 :cheater!~cheater@213.221.89.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1268924803 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268927561 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1268927601 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1268927725 0 :jix!~jix@cyb0rg.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1268928197 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1268929808 0 :charlls!charlls@186.72.8.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1268929929 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1268930346 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1268931182 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1268931403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silliest keyboard shortcut mistake ever?: in Evince, "A" is the shortcut to open a new document < 1268931408 0 :hiato!~fdulu@dsl-245-63-253.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1268931416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this works even inside the Find dialog thing < 1268931442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, in order to search for words containing a or A, you have to type it as shift-A (luckily it's case-insensitive, or you'd have to use capslock and shift-A to type a lowercase a) < 1268931562 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1268931618 0 :hiato!~fdulu@dsl-245-63-253.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1268931741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't happen in my Evince. < 1268931811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only "open" shortcut I can see is C-o; just plain "A" doesn't seem to have any sort of significance. < 1268932538 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I am leaving. You are about to explode. < 1268932768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what happened to the keyboard shortcuts on it < 1268932774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open is marked as "a" in my menu < 1268932936 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sudobus < 1268932956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's passing strange. I guess it might read them from some gconf-powered nightmare? < 1268932977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1268932985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no obvious way to change the shortcuts < 1268933002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls something about gtk allowing you to change the shortcuts
< 1268933041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xpdf has natively single-character no-modifiers shortcuts (O for Open and so on), but it doesn't accept those when the Find dialog has the focus. < 1268933067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're not the only one, though: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8839774 < 1268933091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- < 1268933093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that you have Gnome Editable Shortcuts feature turned on and accidentally changed the shortcut for File→Open. The feature means that while you have a menu open, pressing any keyboard key sets it as the shortcut for the currently selected action (Backspace removes a shortcut). < 1268933093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To fix it: just open the File menu and while the mouse is over the Open action, press Ctrl+O. This should restore the standard shortcut. < 1268933094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- < 1268933099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's wonderfully bizarre. < 1268933114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make any stray keypresses and you completely mangle up a program's UI. < 1268933122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked, yes < 1268933127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's... surprising < 1268933403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds precisely like the gtk feature i once read about < 1268933482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They never cease to confuse. < 1268933671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so, in order to search for words containing a or A, you have to type it as shift-A (luckily it's case-insensitive, or you'd have to use capslock and shift-A to type a lowercase a) <-- err... wth? < 1268933684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fizzie figured out what happened < 1268933695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point in the past, I had my mouse hovering over file|open while typing a < 1268933699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that permanently changed the shortcut < 1268933712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I see < 1268933718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad design < 1268933721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it work like that < 1268933787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how does one disable that feature btw < 1268933807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't seem to happen for me < 1268933811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I press keys in menus < 1268933819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it won't cause problems < 1268933821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I suspect it's non-default and I turned it on by mistake < 1268933831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, found where to turn it off? < 1268933835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be useful to know < 1268933840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Ubuntu, you (according to hearsay) configure it in "System→Preferences→Appearance dialog → Interface tab → Editable menu shortcut keys" < 1268933847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds about right < 1268933852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hidden I'd say < 1268933869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just checked, not so much < 1268933890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounded worse when fizzie listed that long path than it really is < 1268934628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Elater < 1268934911 0 :fax!~none@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1268935732 0 :charlesq__!charlls@186.72.8.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1268935872 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1268935933 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1268936359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1268936392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking the old palm rest for my thinkpad, there was a small square piece of clear plastic glued onto the place where the crack in the plasic happened < 1268936396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the inside that is) < 1268936409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right over the crack < 1268936423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why. I don't remember if there was any such on the new palm rest part < 1268936662 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi #esoteric < 1268936669 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on today? < 1268936794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1268936824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still wonder about said bit of glued on plastic, it looks like they suspected a crack there or something < 1268937448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: not a lot, I think < 1268937468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1268937550 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1268937685 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1268938002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, in the SCO vs Novell trial, there was (second hand) Google's response to SCO asking them to buy a licence for Linux, which was along the lines of "you sent us a form letter, we asked for more details, you replied with another form letter, asking to arrange a meeting by '(insert date one week from date of letter)'. we assume you meant to put an actual date there..." < 1268938861 0 :werdan7!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 612 seconds < 1268939362 0 :werdan7!~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1268940593 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1268941105 0 :sudobus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :hiato < 1268941157 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I've made a huge change to my bash setup... I've made my prompt blue. :3 < 1268941411 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1268942064 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1268942243 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::4 < 1268942350 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1268942371 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268943407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1268943414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that must have been some time ago < 1268943452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ages ago < 1268943468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that reply, though < 1268943475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1268943475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not surprised Google didn't take them seriously < 1268943802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, nor am I < 1268943821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but citation for that? < 1268943843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's secondhand info; a reporter that Groklaw sent to cover the SCO vs Novell case < 1268943855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once the case is over, there'll likely be transcripts up, then you could get a much better citation < 1268943860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including exactly what Google said < 1268944452 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discussion about genres of intellectual property? < 1268944459 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I missing something? < 1268944484 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I adding random shit into what I think's going on? < 1268944588 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1268944673 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1268944733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoy < 1268944780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: probably the third < 1268944793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy reading the SCO v Novell news at the moment < 1268944803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a) I think it's an important court case, and b) it's hilarious < 1268944810 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wait, there's news? < 1268944812 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, not olds? < 1268944819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes, the court case is going on right now < 1268944828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq < 1268944836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after being decided twice on summary judgement, appealed and vacated < 1268944841 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was long-over X_X < 1268944843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now they're doing it again, but this time with a jury < 1268944867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every day of the case, SCO has done something that ridiculously hurts their own case < 1268944874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse every day than the day before < 1268944885 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your preferred relevant news source? < 1268944900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use http://groklaw.net which is sending its own reporters to the court < 1268944919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to already have decided that SCO have no chance, though, which rather colours its opinions a bit < 1268944922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suspect it's right < 1268944987 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1268945006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1268945118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : once the case is over, there'll likely be transcripts up, then you could get a much better citation < 1268945120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second < 1268945124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the case over? < 1268945129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since over a year or something < 1268945130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was appealed < 1268945137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't SCO bankrupt < 1268945139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1268945148 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bankruptcy is not the end :P < 1268945148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the lawyers were paid in advance < 1268945162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I thought it was. But apparently not so < 1268945173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, there's more than one form of bankruptcy < 1268945194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1268945198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCO is chapter-11 bankrupt, which means that the court oversees all their financial transactions, and if they go back up to positive money again they can continue on as a business < 1268945203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "out of money" and "out of money"? < 1268945216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I see < 1268945218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1268945223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chapter 11 is sort-of "temporarily out of money", where you can't afford to pay your debts /now/ but may in the near future < 1268945233 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was < 1268945237 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three years ago? < 1268945239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are skeptical as to whether it's appropriate, though < 1268945242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: about that, I think < 1268945246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no time limit to it? < 1268945259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the deadline's been bumped several times, and even blatantly broken on occasion < 1268945267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why < 1268945270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back the judge forcibly changed SCO's management < 1268945283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is currently giving the new management some time to try to sort things out < 1268945287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1268945293 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1268945296 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go with that. < 1268945314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been all sorts of reasons for previous bumps < 1268945322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCO nearly always came up with something ridiculous at the last minute < 1268945334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a company wanting to give them lots of money or a loan, etc < 1268945339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the details needed some time to sort out... < 1268945343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course, the deals mostly fell through) < 1268945422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: has your head exploded sufficiently yet? < 1268945431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVARS < 1268945489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you enjoying the info you're reading, at least? < 1268945511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's full of SCO contradicting itself < 1268945540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually vaguely curious as to whether SCO or Novell will do a better job of demolishing SCO's case < 1268945740 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, "Santa Cruz Operation" doesn't sound like something legitimate. < 1268945747 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a coincidence, of course. < 1268945776 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounds like some CIA plot to assassinate a Cuban leader. < 1268945784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: oh, you are confused; the company in question is "The SCO Group", "Santa Cruz Operation" is a /different/ company < 1268945814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a suspicion going around that they're doing this sort of thing deliberately; two of the companies that tried to give them loans were both startups with the initials SNCP < 1268945934 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It looks like Caldera acquired parts of Santa Cruz Operation and then renamed themselves after them. < 1268945956 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the SCO Group's SCO is a totally different SCO. < 1268945977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tSCOg = caldera < 1268945987 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1268945990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other parts of the original SCO are currently owned by Oracle, via Sun < 1268946053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Yeah, Caldera bought up SanCruzOp's UNIX business. < 1268946068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thought they bought the rights to UNIX. < 1268946156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and novell claimed they never sold them to oldSCO in the first place < 1268946161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the current trial's about < 1268946170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both Novell and SCO sued the other for claiming that they owned the copyrights to UNIX < 1268946244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Novell's got the contract on their side. < 1268946291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCO's argument is, I think, that the contract's not meant to say that < 1268946292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Novell never sued just claiming "we own the copyrights and they're violating it", they just said "Yeah, the contract we've got here says they owe us a percentage of the profits from their UNIX sales. We'd like them to pay." < 1268946329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's a different case I think, just to add to the confusion < 1268946338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was originally the same case, but the appeal sort-of split everything up < 1268946341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's the countersuit. < 1268946352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ah ok < 1268946357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be being decided at the moment < 1268946362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that one wasn't appealed < 1268946367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so isn't included in the redo of the trial < 1268946368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has already been decided. < 1268946373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, so has everything else < 1268946379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the reason for the bankruptcy. < 1268946382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, what needs to be decided a second time? < 1268946426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They filed bankruptcy soley to delay the verdict from the countersuit... Said countersuit was about to be a reason for them to be bankrupt. < 1268946456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they couldn't legitimately file bankruptcy until after the verdict, but they filed before the verdict to delay the verdict. < 1268946475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCO has some *amazingly* amoral lawyers. < 1268946808 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/amoral/average/ < 1268947354 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1268947527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tSCOg = caldera <--- ? < 1268947543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they keep renaming things to try to confuse people < 1268947557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but that wasn't sed syntax was it? < 1268947559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to get a straight answer from them as to whether UNIX is UnixWare or not < 1268947564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it wasn't < 1268947568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then what was it < 1268947576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The SCO Group" and "Caldera" are the same company < 1268947582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1268947586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't g as in global < 1268947589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "The SCO Group" abbreviates to "tSCOg" when you want to be unambiguous < 1268947592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1268947594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and t as in t < 1268947597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dog" does not mean "do global"! < 1268947597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/A// < 1268947977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, I didn't know what the t and g stood for < 1268948137 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: adu < 1268948506 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-122-35.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1268948831 0 :charlls!~charlls@201.226.222.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1268949001 0 :charlesq__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1268949298 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1268949781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the evince problem doesn't even just happen with the mouse < 1268949791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pressed alt f a, meaning save as, but evince doesn't have save as < 1268949801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it overwrote the keyboard shortcut for open instead < 1268949809 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1268950071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1268950182 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1268950236 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1268950408 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt f a? < 1268950540 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt f a < 1268950549 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt f -> File < 1268950552 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A -> save _A_s < 1268950750 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-140-214.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1268950763 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1268950822 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the alise sighting counter is defunct, let's set it to an arbitrary value. < 1268950839 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :"Gwandocu (n): Extremely strong evidence, far beyond a reasonable doubt." | alise sighting counter: 100,000 | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1268951091 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's over nine thousand. < 1268951118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1268951144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1268951160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest ais disable that editing thingy for menus < 1268953141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely over 九千. < 1268953160 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a number < 1268953170 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 000? < 1268953174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 90 000 < 1268953179 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1268953182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 9,000. < 1268953191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :90000 is 九万. < 1268953278 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1268953312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 70,000 is 七万. < 1268953321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese numerals are easy. :) < 1268953359 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they ain't < 1268953368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they are. < 1268953375 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unary is easy < 1268953409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nullary is easy. < 1268953419 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1268953707 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nullary doesn't allow you to use any symbols! < 1268953715 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1268953723 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And every symbol you use has a negative-infinite amount of information! < 1268953745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1268953746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1268953747 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe you just need to send a negative-zero number of symbols and boom, your information. :P < 1268953761 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't even need to come up with a code! < 1268953784 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because every symbol already has a meaning even though you've never assigned any meanings to any of them! < 1268954167 0 :Azstal!~asztal@host86-155-75-229.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1268954204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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