< 1267747226 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is gone < 1267747324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're strange. < 1267747324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really terribly strange < 1267747370 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise what do you have against nasa? < 1267747390 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: "nasa" means "crazy" < 1267747399 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1267747406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you misinterpret gregor's joking "fail" as serious and then you say some sort of can't-tell-if-it's-serious space conspiracy stuff a second later :P < 1267747423 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are just impossible alise!!! < 1267747545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I start falling in love with Ruby, is that a bad thing? < 1267747551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes. < 1267747556 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think ruby sucks < 1267747569 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's kind of useful.... < 1267747576 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but appart from that...... < 1267747577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you realise that there's going to be a point in your programming career when you /can't/ just ask us an answer to every dilemma :) < 1267747596 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1267747621 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that I'm still going to keep messing with Ruby regardless of complaints about it in this channel.. < 1267747709 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay < 1267747714 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise complains about everything < 1267747724 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix domain sockets are difficult to find information about. < 1267747735 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is thus not an objective test of the goodness of a language < 1267747769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then don't ask. < 1267747770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, I don't complain about everything < 1267747773 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know how to open one, listen on one, see who's on the other end of one, and read and write stuff. < 1267747783 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, I want to agree, on the other hand, coppro is a C++ sympathizer >.> < 1267747785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merely most things that tend to be talked about at length < 1267747807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No offense < 1267747808 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm not a blind one though < 1267748099 0 :alise_!~95fee1b7@gateway/web/freenode/x-dvggetfvxwareuzp JOIN :#esoteric < 1267748127 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at&t customer service chat ftw < 1267748229 0 :alise__!~95fedb50@gateway/web/freenode/x-xciujybtjveujvxg JOIN :#esoteric < 1267748312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267748356 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267748378 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Linux has less system calls than Lojban has gismu. I could just learn them all. :P < 1267748383 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's soul is bleeding < 1267748460 0 :alise!~95fed95d@gateway/web/freenode/x-nezvjfcdoadhtmke JOIN :#esoteric < 1267748488 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267748592 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mention of lojban = ban < 1267748631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why they call it Loj-BAN < 1267748640 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly < 1267748643 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mention of logic language = language? < 1267748650 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I mention patching the Linux kernel so that it's a MOO? < 1267748675 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is logical about lojban < 1267748682 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1267748683 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most illogical thing I know :| < 1267748716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: consistency < 1267748733 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already been banned from my lodge. < 1267748755 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the Grand Poo-Bah funny. < 1267748855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your lodge Agora? < 1267748884 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Grand Poo-Bah is not from Agora < 1267748979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. < 1267749023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polished, vertical walls are consistent too, and climbers just loooove them. < 1267749049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, it's the best analogy I know for why consistency + spoken language = not exactly a love affair < 1267749095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban isn't the most interesting thing ever. < 1267749099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like how it relates to propositional logic. < 1267749106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably the real Loj in Lojban. < 1267749116 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban < 1267749117 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban < 1267749117 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The irregularities in natural language seem to work like coding theory stuff, sometimes? < 1267749118 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban < 1267749121 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban < 1267749125 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise have you read laws of form? < 1267749133 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna be the only person remaining in the channel at this rate < 1267749139 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here?? < 1267749188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: "mention of lojban = ban" < 1267749193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even you will not be spared, surely? < 1267749360 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Maybe? < 1267749396 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_Form < 1267749411 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read the work. I have read that page. A long time ago. < 1267749415 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm exempt < 1267749419 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm above the law < 1267749434 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, have to go home to try to fix my internet now. < 1267749435 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey I read the book it's kinda wild < 1267749448 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise seems to have given up on me < 1267749451 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: It sounds like of like an esolang-logical-system < 1267749458 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1267749462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical philosophy is 100% bullshit < 1267749465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from concentrate < 1267749471 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :) < 1267749477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, winge winge winge < 1267749495 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise stfu !!!!! < 1267749507 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But every time I say I didn't enjoy "Goedel, Escher, Bach", people look at me as if I'm stupid. < 1267749511 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't know philosophy if it hit you in the face < 1267749511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. < 1267749516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later, folks. < 1267749518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1267749530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed the dialogues, but the AI content is not so good < 1267749535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Oh, shut up. < 1267749544 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoyed GEB < 1267749548 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only read like 50 pages though < 1267749554 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't read any more, it's so boring and retarded < 1267749558 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise why even bother telling me to shut up if you are ignoring me :| < 1267749675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: is it also your favourite bolton album; it blows? < 1267749685 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1267749778 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bites alise < 1267750072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267750124 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why sys_waitpid takes an int *. < 1267750139 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only read about one page of GEB before I started to think it was boring and retarded < 1267750149 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You read the wrong page, then. < 1267750152 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: ... to put the status into ... < 1267750164 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, that makes sense. < 1267750178 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I have no idea what sys_waitpid is for. < 1267750178 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as that waitpid(2) takes such an int * :P < 1267750192 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... good. < 1267750197 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man 2 waitpid < 1267750211 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is (2) all about system calls? < 1267750258 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I don't have that page. < 1267750281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAH EEL < 1267750330 0 :alise!~d4b78c22@gateway/web/freenode/x-lpsmkqrwftofzmzv JOIN :#esoteric < 1267750342 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that in general, "foo" is input to the system call, "foo *" is output, and "const foo *" is input. < 1267750467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/review/RI94SG7XY5YG3/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm ;; here < 1267750481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc: http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/AKLYH2CI11XJN/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp < 1267750507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i mean http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AKLYH2CI11XJN/ref=cm_pdp_rev_all?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview < 1267750566 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do I get those man pages? < 1267750636 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1267750638 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuberwebsa < 1267750851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I forgot this: "Yes, Ms. Newsom is a sort of Joni Mitchell meets Yvonne Trent (my fictional name for a singer who is Joanna Newsom minus Joni Mitchell)," < 1267751011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a useless statement :P < 1267751074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Might it make sense for me to Google for one of my passwords [I've used the Gmail password, so it's not like the Google folks don't ha.. wait, they don't have it] < 1267751124 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just did it. No results =D < 1267751137 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you don't get a screenshot < 1267751164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that /may/ be intentional... < 1267751164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1267751208 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1267751255 0 :lament!~lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267751297 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267751343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But, this I'm right about: Franz Ferdinand is a person, not a band. Look at the name! It's a first and last name! Why would a band have one person's name? So, they could get on planes with only having to buy one ticket? I think they're too rich at this point to worry about that. And, what would happen when they actually had to sit down in the plane? No attendant is going to let the rest of the "band" stand the whole flight." < 1267751704 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has a strong belief that band names have to make sense. < 1267751739 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or simply has a strong desire to prove themselves right. < 1267751775 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, as we all know, is the most evil desire on the face of the Earth. < 1267751828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is a joke account < 1267752228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267753712 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1267754771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's somewhat easy to translate simple ones to Ruby <-- mechanically translating list comprehensions is listed in the haskell report: http://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/exps.html#sect3.11 < 1267754801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax is of course different < 1267754807 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1267754825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(closer to set comprehensions in math) < 1267754911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably missing the part with concatmap ? < 1267755464 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's mechanically translating Haskell list comprehension syntax to non-sugared Haskell? < 1267755476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1267755498 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about non-sugared Haskell -> Ruby? < 1267755526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap = concat . map, or flatten and map from what i glanced from the logs < 1267755561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming flatten is not recursive, that would be evil. < 1267755577 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is being... I think Ruby's flatten IS recursive. Hold on < 1267755610 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1267755615 0 :benuphoenix!~benuphoen@ool-182e6881.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267755623 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):002:0> [[[1, 2], [3,4]], 5, 6].flatten < 1267755623 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] < 1267755625 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi benuphoenix < 1267755632 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1267755642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that may mess things up then < 1267755694 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do a one-level flatten, map append < 1267755714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mutation < 1267755731 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flattenOnce(x) = map(append, x), or whatever the ruby version would be < 1267755743 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lang is this? < 1267755757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby < 1267755762 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made that up < 1267755771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1267755777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what if some elements aren't lists? < 1267755796 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then add that as a special case < 1267755804 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1267755805 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1267755812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too focused on SG-1 right now to write Ruby (!) < 1267755819 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make your own append function that appends items and lists < 1267755834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you won't have a use for non-list elements for this case, haskell concat only applies to lists of lists (of the same type) < 1267755840 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1267755960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if the end result is not a list of lists, you should be able to postpone it to a single flatten at the end, i think. < 1267756369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using the monad laws for lists *mad evil cackle < 1267756371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1267756419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, my plan would have succeeded if not for that meddling return key < 1267756568 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate monads < 1267757047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to see who he really is! < 1267757052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pulls of oerjan's mask < 1267757067 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pulls off oerjan's mask, even < 1267757080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo! < 1267757082 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1267757088 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267757099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ouch, my face! < 1267757149 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old man Johansen! I should have known! < 1267757213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kids get off my lawn! < 1267757285 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1267757676 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, Scooby and the gang never were even close, they were always more like "Old man Johansen?!" < 1267757979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just means you are genre savvy < 1267758776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1267759887 0 :charlls!~charlls@200.109.210.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1267759904 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1267761590 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267762001 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1267762065 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1267762196 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1267762348 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1267762386 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1267762391 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1267762403 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup foos < 1267762406 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i figured out the GR thing < 1267762410 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it oerjan < 1267762413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of yoj < 1267762439 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when GR describes non-interial FoR's as equivalent to inertial FoR's with gravity < 1267762451 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is meant is not what the universe looks like from that FoR < 1267762462 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather what the FoR looks like to someone inside it < 1267762492 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a _closed box_ that is accelerating, is indistinguishable from, and equivalent to, a non-accelerating version on a planets surface < 1267762531 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could see out, that breaks the equivalence, thats not what GR is about. its about the local physics of the FoRs, not the apparent physics of the world outside the FoR < 1267763480 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267763677 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1267766192 0 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1267767298 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1267767334 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1267767568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: And again < 1267768461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unix domain sockets are difficult to find information about. <-- man 7 unix < 1267768581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1267769291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1267769325 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267772058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1267772178 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1267772449 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1267772878 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-12-237.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1267772896 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have been wonderful it someone had pointed out man 7 unix to me 18 hours ago. < 1267772905 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have saved me about 18 hours. < 1267773602 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1267773915 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267774410 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267774950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1267775411 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1267775999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1267776000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1267776206 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267776342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1267776370 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267777744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1267777782 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267778412 0 :dev_squid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like my mini webpage? (http://circastudios.site50.net/dev_squid/) < 1267778571 0 :dev_squid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to bed. < 1267778858 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-10-47.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267778905 0 :dev_squid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1267779751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1267780212 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, the text is in images. < 1267780691 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267782904 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1267783279 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267784538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1267787075 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Farewell < 1267788940 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267791818 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267792502 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1267792948 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1267792977 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267793071 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1267793276 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1267793461 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1267793774 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1267794271 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1267795194 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1267795307 0 :MissPiggy!~none@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1267796739 0 :hiato!~fdulu@dsl-245-10-22.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1267796879 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1267797839 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-10-47.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267798242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1267798334 0 :alise!~d4b78c10@gateway/web/freenode/x-negmimxsacyjzoxo JOIN :#esoteric < 1267799080 0 :scarf!~scarf@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1267799220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267799335 0 :alise!~d4b78c34@gateway/web/freenode/x-zgmcweendajoybku JOIN :#esoteric < 1267799360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: is there anything useful in the stock windows or should i just nuke it and put ubuntu on? < 1267799371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what kind of battery life < 1267799429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get? < 1267799429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine says 8 hours, then in a few minutes 6, then 5 < 1267799435 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1267799435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4hr32m remaining apparently now < 1267799436 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the stock windows is necessary to change most of the settings, like wireless killswitch, etc < 1267799450 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on Ubuntu, around 4 to 5 hours depending on what I'm doing, although the battery claims 8 when full < 1267799454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plugs it in < 1267799458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns off ECO MODE < 1267799466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'll keep it on < 1267799469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it charges more for the journey < 1267799481 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I've done is resized the Windows partition smaller, and put Ubuntu on the other half < 1267799487 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving it dual-boot, but only ever booted to Linux < 1267799498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I'll probably do some AnMaster-style hypertweaking for battery life < 1267799515 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :powertop! < 1267799519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally I would back up the Windows partition somewhere then nuke it < 1267799528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But on a 3G stick connection, that seems unreasonable < 1267799536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as it's £15/gig < 1267799538 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although note, that powertop has a tendency to do obnoxious things like turn your mouse off altogether to save power < 1267799547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just downloading Ubuntu will cost almost that < 1267799553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, cost as in train the top-up.) < 1267799560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: XD < 1267799579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine will have inferior battery life to yours because of the bigger screen, most likely < 1267799602 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be precise, it turns USB autosuspend on, and moving the mouse doesn't turn it back off again, so you have to unplug and replug the mouse to get it to work < 1267799604 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1267799667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have cleaned this (grubby display model! Probably grubby, at least) with something other than wet kitchen roll, there are little specks of it everywhere < 1267799674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't really have anything else to use, though. < 1267799687 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop seems to be imposible to clean < 1267799687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: ah, well I'll be using the trackpad < 1267799702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather shiny, it's very easy to spot fingerprints ad stuff on it < 1267799717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I just wanted to get the grubbiness off, just in case they didn't clean it very well before boxing it up < 1267799737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trackpad on this is rather crappy, I keep side-of-trackpad scrolling by mistake < 1267799743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't very well ridged so i keep nudging it < 1267799781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: the stock windows is necessary to change most of the settings, like wireless killswitch, etc <-- huh < 1267799796 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it confuses me too < 1267799798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one advantage with thinkpad, things like that just work in linux < 1267799807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how do you use the mousepad/volume control? < 1267799814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspected Fn+ due to the colour but neither fn nor fn-switch work < 1267799816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1267799817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mousepad < 1267799819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numberpad thing < 1267799823 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volume control is fn-3, fn-4 < 1267799834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, also the kill switch on mine is definitely physical disconnect/connect-style < 1267799838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it not give any feedback or something? < 1267799839 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse pad is fn-f10 < 1267799855 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*numpad < 1267799856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, since the bluetooth and wlan units are simply gone from lsusb/lspci after switching it < 1267799860 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1267799861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numberpad < 1267799862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mousepad < 1267799865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-0, u-p, j-;, m-/ < 1267799868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those ones < 1267799875 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you turn that on and off with fn-f10 < 1267799881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm rather pleased with this keyboard layout < 1267799883 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the feedback is one of the lights on the front which is easy to miss < 1267799900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to have any abominations against layout in it < 1267799914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer shift was the rightmost key but it's not such a big deal < 1267799927 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control, fn, super, alt, backquote, space at the bottom left is annoying, it's so easy to hit the wrong one < 1267799939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backquote at the bottom left? < 1267799940 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a bigger screen for you may imply a less cramped layout < 1267799942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for me. < 1267799946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : although note, that powertop has a tendency to do obnoxious things like turn your mouse off altogether to save power <-- for usb mouse maybe < 1267799946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on UK layout though < 1267799949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me the bottom row is: < 1267799950 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, looks like bigger screen = bigger keyboard < 1267799952 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1267799957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes don't enable usb autosuspend < 1267799958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl, Fn, Win, Alt, space, alt gr, menu, ctrl, arrow keys < 1267799958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it asks < 1267799982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second to bottom is shift, \|, ..., /?, shift, pgup/pgdn vertically < 1267799991 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yours is very similar to mine, except mine puts ` and \ to the right of the two alt keys respectively < 1267799997 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving the spacebar rather small < 1267799998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (to be precise, it turns USB autosuspend on, and moving the mouse doesn't turn it back off again, so you have to unplug and replug the mouse to get it to work) <-- in a different physical port even < 1267800000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1267800018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fn-f10 just enables the arrows < 1267800018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after that the original port works again though) < 1267800021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's f11 for numbers < 1267800035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1267800039 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes, f11 < 1267800042 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said the wrong thing < 1267800049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enable arrows? < 1267800051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1267800065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have arrow keys by default? < 1267800066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, are you /sure/ fn-3/4 works? < 1267800068 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: u8ok for arrows < 1267800070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no feedback whatsoever < 1267800075 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it does on Ubuntu, I'm not sure on Windows < 1267800079 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I think I bound those myself < 1267800080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: numpad arrows < 1267800083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1267800089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just does it silently < 1267800096 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system|preferences|keyboard shortcuts < 1267800109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what colour is yours? to go on to the most inane subject of this laptop < 1267800116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine's red, that's all they had though < 1267800117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, does it have a separate numpad or such? Or why is a numpad even useful on a laptop < 1267800127 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it correctly detects fn-3 as XF86AudioLowerVolume, fn-4 as XF86AudioRaiseVolume < 1267800131 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: some programs require numpad < 1267800131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's part of the alphanum part < 1267800136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1267800137 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: mine's black, but the packaging said it was red < 1267800143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, for e.g. spreadsheet number entry < 1267800151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you like that way of movement < 1267800155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inc. home,end,pgup,pgdown etc < 1267800157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my thinkpad as NmLk on Fn-ScrLk < 1267800161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite strange < 1267800169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: lol < 1267800176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ScrLk is surely even more seldomly used? < 1267800177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a shiny red which is nice < 1267800194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you can scroll look on boot, I guess < 1267800203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where Fn doesn't work < 1267800207 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll lock is actually kind-of useful in Excel < 1267800209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm I think fn works there < 1267800220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1267800221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, since fn itself generates no key event < 1267800234 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, fn-f9 seems to be implemented in hardware < 1267800241 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the key combo to turn the touchpad on/off < 1267800245 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be useful when typing < 1267800248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and Fn-PgUp (turn on keyboard light thingy above screen) doesn't generate any key event (other Fn+* generates key events) < 1267800255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is one key event for fn+whatever < 1267800261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one for fn and one for whatever < 1267800281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: but I'm used to mouse-based OSs, so I'd be hitting it every few seconds < 1267800288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittdly myabe not as much, because the trackpad is kind of crap < 1267800290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maybe < 1267800298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll probably adapt < 1267800298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*admittedly < 1267800314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its complete silence most of the time freaks me out to no end < 1267800319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, alas, that is one thing annoying me, there is a turn touchpad off thingy for mine. But under linux that disables touchpad, touchpad buttons, and *trackpoint buttons* < 1267800323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TALK TO ME COMPUTER < 1267800328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the trackpoint itself is left enabled < 1267800333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it completely useless < 1267800342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want to have the trackpoint buttons left enabled of course! < 1267800345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1267800349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bind'em to some key combo :P < 1267800359 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you use it while typing, to avoid clicking by mistake < 1267800380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, yes but hitting the buttons for the trackpoint is rather hard < 1267800405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, the issue I have is "palm on touchpad" < 1267800413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "palm on trackpoint buttons" < 1267800423 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, it's the base of the thumb < 1267800444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, base of thumb/palm, somewhat the overlap < 1267800448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I like how there's a ridge on the caps lock key, except the keys are so flat anyway that it doesn't stop any mistakes whatsoever < 1267800449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised by how thin and light this thing is for the price < 1267800450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably as thin as a MacBook < 1267800465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, fiddling with the palm detection setting in the synaptics config tool helped somewhat < 1267800488 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, heh < 1267800501 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you planning to swap caps lock and control? I haven't, maybe I should < 1267800503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that ridge: same on mine < 1267800503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All in all I'm rather happy with my first venture into laptop-land, and PC-laptop-land at that. < 1267800535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, at least the windows key is quite flat < 1267800536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Why does every single key have a tiny ridge, I wonder? < 1267800537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just disable caps lock entirely < 1267800538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but even moreso on this laptop: The key travel is <10mm < 1267800539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure < 1267800539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like 5? < 1267800541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not as horrible as on desktop keyboards < 1267800546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally flat here. < 1267800547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah... < 1267800576 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: probably to make them easier to separate after manufacturing them < 1267800581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently this thing is designed for the thin/light/battery sort of market < 1267800583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's rather flat all over < 1267800595 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm used to a key travel that small; it feels like a lot of effort to push keys on a desktop < 1267800603 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still feel the travel, even though it's a small one < 1267800640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the diff here is maybe 1-2 mm for the ridge thingy. Key travel is... uh about twice the height of the key cap itself. That is when I press down the key fully, the top of it is roughly at the same level as the lower edge of the key caps around it < 1267800642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I've used a scissor-switch board and even that had more key travel < 1267800646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was almost flat itself) < 1267800650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would make it 5 mm maybe? < 1267800650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the other laptops I tried had much more travel < 1267800652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not complaining; it's just weird. < 1267800658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 6-7? < 1267800678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, it is quite okay to type on if you are used to a full size pc keyboard < 1267800698 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267800707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing doesn't even travel the depth of the very thin keycaps < 1267800709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*keycap < 1267800711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet any less travel and you couldnt < 1267800713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it reliable < 1267800723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1267800763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are the main area of the keys (alphanumeric, shift, enter, backspace, tab, caps lock) "full sized"? < 1267800778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from height of course < 1267800795 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267800822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't get how anyone can live with less than 15" on a laptop that is used for extended periods... < 1267800831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 15" is somewhat cramped < 1267800916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The screen on this thing is very nice despite being glossy. < 1267800916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it in sunlight now and it's completely legible < 1267800949 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop screens tend to work rather nicely in sunlight, I find < 1267800962 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I use 11", and have for months < 1267801001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, I know < 1267801016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers a toughbook < 1267801026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it wouldn't be really nice to use < 1267801031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would last forever < 1267801178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267801366 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1267801692 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1267801717 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1267802667 0 :Yda-84!~Yda-84@77.106.114.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1267802701 0 :Yda-84!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O:-) < 1267802705 0 :Yda-84!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1267803068 0 :cbrowne!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1267803669 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267803893 0 :alise!~95fee04b@gateway/web/freenode/x-syskmuqwaudpazxe JOIN :#esoteric < 1267803908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCing from inside a taxi: The most unreliable activity ever. < 1267803918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this connection is even still working after the five seconds I've ben connectd. < 1267803921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*been, *connected < 1267803925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone pong. < 1267803930 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise pong < 1267803934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot. < 1267803974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typing is not the easiest thing < 1267804045 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! "Inside a taxi" is the second best thing to "A truckstop outside El Paso". < 1267804046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nerdery must transcend such petty constraints AAH GOD A CORNER < 1267804059 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you going alise? < 1267804060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This taxi never stops. I am constantly in motion! < 1267804088 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, ten points if you get a passer-by at a red traffic light to type somehting < 1267804091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., perpetually motivated! < 1267804091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take that, physics! < 1267804126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god dammit bumpy road < 1267804126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badoing badgoin badoing < 1267804126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: :D < 1267804159 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so that's a "there're no traiffic lights where I am" then? < 1267804162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forsee people living entirely in gigantic housecars in the future < 1267804162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see no issues with this < 1267804176 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :save bathing < 1267804213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are traffic lights but :P < 1267804213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how on earth will bathing be a problem? >_> < 1267804213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are NO. ISSUES aaaah god corner < 1267804240 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point exactly < 1267804246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of hvae a hard time using the entire keyboard while cornering... < 1267804285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut UP < 1267804285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hi we missed you < 1267804285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am ehird) < 1267804295 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now imagine your laptop to be a concave vessel, somewhat like a bathtub, but more like a laptop in apperance, less so in function. Now imagine that vessel full of water. Then, cue a red traffic light or an innocent stone in the road < 1267804307 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh, heh, hi - wow, been a while :) < 1267804321 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUP ESOFAGS < 1267804348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banks' non-Culture Against a dark background novel has (in a very minor part, just barely a mention) these things called "rest mobiles" that sound a bit like that, except that people just (seem to) use them for rest stops when traveling long distances over roads, as opposed to permanent places of habitation. < 1267804376 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: [citation needed] < 1267804379 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up augur hi < 1267804380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: i see no issues < 1267804387 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: ;) < 1267804392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that if you want to use the water as a keyboard aaah corner < 1267804399 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: you're turning into pthag < 1267804403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it might not be very tactile < 1267804413 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur I doubt that somehow < 1267804417 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR ARE YOU PTHAG?! < 1267804426 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, is shut up not a valid sentiment? < 1267804432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pthong < 1267804434 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1267804437 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pthong :D < 1267804442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost there bye guys < 1267804451 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pthag in a pthong < 1267804458 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye alise < 1267804470 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What I'm trying to eventually get to would be the need to start slowing down from the massive top speed of 60 (which is massive, when you consider the vehicle to be a house, or visa versa) about ten minutes prior to when you needed to stop, to avoid spillage (spilage/spiling/spillery and friends) < 1267804474 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: banks! < 1267804476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: "She rendezvoused with a rest-mobile, ramping up into the echoing parking hold of the Air Cushion Vehicle and leaving the car for refuelling while she stretched her legs." (And later she sleeps and eats breakfast on one; then they're not mentioned again.) < 1267804499 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Project Gutenburg? < 1267804511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: No, just illegal ebook warez nastiness. < 1267804511 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives +100 points to fizzie for an actual citation < 1267804534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you deduct points for the source being of dubious legality?-) < 1267804546 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do now < 1267804570 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: im making a videogame with OCPs :D < 1267804570 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, it depends from whom exactly you stole < 1267804658 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's from me, -1000000000000000.6, if not, S.E.P < 1267804692 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you would have received any royalties from that. I don't exactly know where it came from; it was on this CD. < 1267804698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267804705 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== S.E.P < 1267804719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has written "v1.0 (17-mar-01) Scanning, layout and quick proofing by 4i Publications" on top of it. < 1267804759 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, S.E.P. Industrial book-spy perhaps? It's all the rage these days < 1267804869 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to ais523? < 1267804875 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here < 1267804880 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just under a different nick < 1267804884 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, also did the shuffle < 1267804902 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "ais523" still pings me < 1267804922 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? nice < 1267804937 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can configure many IRC clients to ping on all sorts of words < 1267804942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1267804943 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine pings on things like "ais523" and "INTERCAL" < 1267804948 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baha < 1267804967 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267804973 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess I never did do man irssi < 1267805004 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, good to know that the comunity is still here, mostly < 1267805030 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Konversation < 1267805030 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklocork < 1267805049 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopoke I :((( < 1267805077 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked up the solution to a problem I was doing and the answer was something I should have been able to do ;( < 1267805088 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol :D < 1267805092 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION huggles okl < 1267805304 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur < 1267805310 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d you have an ifile.it account < 1267805326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh god dammit bumpy road <-- I sure hope he has "disk head parks itself based on accelerometer" < 1267805346 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the Toshiba Satellite has an incredibly sensitive disk-parker < 1267805351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, oh? < 1267805359 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@81-237-250-33-no147.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1267805360 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1267805361 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1267805363 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like every ten seconds it parks itself, then pops up a little dialog box to let you know it parked < 1267805369 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it does that under Linux too, btw < 1267805372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1267805380 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, no dialog box, so I don't know if it's parking < 1267805393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, for thinkpads it needs an user space daemon < 1267805405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is somewhat irritating as it causes rapid wakeups for polling < 1267805431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I avoid using my thinkpad when moving instead. Always use it on a sturdy table < 1267805434 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, he was on webchat, and therefore presumably Windows, and therefore using the autopark < 1267805466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, I guess that wasn't meant as a far fetched joke? < 1267805472 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1267805475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(autopark -> automobile park) < 1267805476 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being serious < 1267805478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in a taxi) < 1267805495 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pun intended; in fact, even after your explanation, I don't think there was a pun there < 1267805498 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone care to look at this and then provide some feedback as to how I'd make this language more self-complete, that is, you should be able to emulate (mostly) an arbitrary piece of the language with other pieces. that means you cant natively have if's, while's and so on, but I'm stuck on argument parsing to methods (though tecnically anonymous methods need not be there and would solve my problem) < 1267805505 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dpaste.com/168356/ < 1267805506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, very far fetched one < 1267805530 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1267805548 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1267805567 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1267805616 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and if you do look, ignore the code at the end, as that all depends on how arguments are parsed (if at all) < 1267805630 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: wow, that's a confusing language < 1267805639 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1267805644 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I applaud you for not just making more BF-derivatives, like most people do < 1267805657 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be happy to shed some light though < 1267805659 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1267805662 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION made one hates ipile < 1267805775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, for cell.(Q) better specify charset < 1267805805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, or would it use the native one? Say EBCDIC on such a machine? < 1267805851 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure I understand what you mean? In this case, cell.(Q) is using Q as a literal, base 10 number < 1267805860 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell.X, however, could be confusing < 1267805870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, so how does " "$()" is equivalent to 2369577 through this system" work? < 1267805877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, how is that encoded? < 1267805879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII? < 1267805884 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, figured it was vague < 1267805884 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1267805888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so that should be explicitly mentioned < 1267805900 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :encode as ASCII, then take those bytes as a standard number < 1267805907 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks, will mark that < 1267805913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, why not UTF-8? < 1267805935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, otherwise how would you encode a cell named å←→µ < 1267805940 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For simplicity, really, but there is no real reason. Though, I guess it will also inflate the nubmers significantly < 1267805944 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, fair enough < 1267805967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, for UTF-8, the lower 127 ASCII bytes would encode the same way < 1267805987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only some other things, such as that example would encode larger < 1267805988 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the argument could go that å##µ is merely a sequence of bytes that when grouped to the nearest 8 bits, would still yield a number that is unique for that string < 1267805992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1267805997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1267806001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work in fact < 1267806012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, that wasn't ## in the middle < 1267806014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was like: < 1267806016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--> < 1267806033 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I forget what key makes those arrows :P < 1267806051 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm currently not using a utf8 charset in xterm < 1267806059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, AltGr+[yUui] < 1267806086 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right < 1267806110 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though still produces a #) < 1267806117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, yet you found å without iussues, which I thought was hard to type outside Scandinavia plus a few countries < 1267806189 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colemak ;) < 1267806206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1267806283 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the language itself, while handy, do you think that the ability to parse Message -> Anonymous Method -> Destination is needed? < 1267806303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, what does that do < 1267806308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read the whole spec < 1267806312 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, how would I implement a non-pattern matching scheme that can be replicatedwith non-anonymouse methods < 1267806317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being somewhat tired < 1267806359 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, "a b c" sends message "a" to cell or method "b" and then stores the result (or partial result, or whatever) in cell "c" < 1267806372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, what about threads < 1267806382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, you can do rather nice concurrency with message passing < 1267806391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see for example the non-esolang erlang) < 1267806418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I used for more than one esolang interpreter) < 1267806418 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do like this: $ su -> # rm -f /* < 1267806423 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: coincidentally, trying to make pattern matching work with anonymous (unnamed) object is currently what I'm thinking about < 1267806439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, wrt. befunge-111? < 1267806441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... it needs a name, so the pattern can match it, right? < 1267806448 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frustrating :) < 1267806454 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but seriously, I guess I could put it in, but it's besides the point < 1267806460 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah, my predicament exactly < 1267806461 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. < 1267806465 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find a way, let me know < 1267806478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, just a suggestion, I don't know how well it would fit into things < 1267806480 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No patterns in Befunge-111... < 1267806502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, true. Unless someone goes and spec PATS or something < 1267806521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pattern matching befunge sounds horrible) < 1267806533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is REXP for posix extended regex < 1267806540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and PCRE sounds like a nice fingerprint name I guess < 1267806546 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right, sure, I'm always open to suggestions, but before I make this super complex, I need to work out the message parsing < 1267806559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, right < 1267806690 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the complete flip side, I've also come up with another system that is way way easier. It's ASM like, but only has the commands: XOR, SHR, SHL, JMP. No conditional jumps, no add and friends, but I suspect it's turing complete. Oh, and it only has four registers and can only operate on two bits at a time < 1267806742 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the PC memory-mapped? < 1267806753 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, that's what JMP's for < 1267806758 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dpaste.com/168372/ < 1267806760 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumably the program itself is memory-mapped < 1267806764 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1267806777 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: have you seen the various OISCs? < 1267806779 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no self-modification < 1267806782 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: yep < 1267806788 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is unlike them in every way < 1267806792 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no complex syntax < 1267806797 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or conditional logic < 1267806808 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any logic except for XOR (which is not universal) < 1267806843 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, through careful use of shifts and xors (and the clever trick of treating the registers as stacks), you can do all of what you need (I guess) < 1267806910 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: ah, JMP is the unconditional computed jump, Malbolge-style < 1267806957 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right < 1267806959 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1267806985 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting thing is how to make it conditional < 1267807011 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, "J 0,b" will < 1267807012 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jump back precisely one insruction iff. the IP is odd, otherwise < 1267807012 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forward one if the IP is even. You have been warned. < 1267807031 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it kind of fun, when using XOR's instead of fixed offsets < 1267807043 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible to get by without any conditional jumps at all in a language < 1267807053 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by messing with arithmetic < 1267807061 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1267807066 0 :dev_squid!~dev_squid@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1267807109 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep; the idea is, say you have a /lot/ of variables < 1267807112 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example? but, in this case, there is no way of doing anything except applying various XOR masks, which, in this case suggest some ofrm of universitatility for XOR < 1267807125 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1267807146 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then whenever you would do something, instead of b=a, you do something along the lines of b+=(a-b)*x < 1267807159 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can turn the command on and off by messing with the value of x < 1267807178 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the general principle; it would be interesting to see how few commands you can get away with < 1267807183 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but in essence you then need to compute all posibilites and "filter" them < 1267807187 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1267807217 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if it turned out that your language was TC without computed jumps, you wouldn't need SHR either < 1267807223 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as instead, you could shift every other variable to the left < 1267807231 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just ignore the bottom bit for the rest of the program < 1267807235 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as no command would care < 1267807242 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you're saying < 1267807249 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be a godsend < 1267807271 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAND is probably better than XOR for that sort of thing, as you can implement any other logical operation in terms of it < 1267807289 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I knew that one, but that's what I wanted to avoid < 1267807295 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if you could get by with just four variables then < 1267807298 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XOR is known to not be universal < 1267807306 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1267807318 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bceause it can't distinguish between 0 and 1 < 1267807325 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with (really) two other commands and just four (or in essence) two variables, it would be enough < 1267807337 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1267807399 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually, going back, because it only operates on the bottom two bits, I would need to keep shr < 1267807476 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes < 1267807479 0 :dev_squid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267807486 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and going back further, do you think it would be possible to write a programme in your a*(maybe 0) language that, without needing to evaluate all possibilities, could then write the bit that did need to? < 1267807493 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in certain models of computation, XOR is the most complex function possible < 1267807502 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(monotone circuits) < 1267807516 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's annoying to implement even in hardware < 1267807522 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, I have it down for three transistors, two diodes and one resistor < 1267807531 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason people talk about NAND rather than NOR as universal, which is that you can do NAND with just the one transistor < 1267807546 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: DTL is pretty much an abandoned logic format nowadays < 1267807549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mixing transistors and diodes -- nice. < 1267807554 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in my world :) < 1267807564 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember why, but it was suboptimal somehow < 1267807578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it takes a bit more power to drive < 1267807581 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1267807584 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was jsut about to say < 1267807612 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as running into issues with a negative bias vs ground < 1267807631 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's slower, takes up more silicon space, and requires three power rails < 1267807639 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we are < 1267807645 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last isn't quite an idea-killer, but the first two are < 1267807657 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, for a hobby project, i cant see the fuss < 1267807674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does DTL stand for? < 1267807682 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, might I add, is what SHI-3 is for, I wanted to build a RISC cpu) < 1267807690 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diode-Transistor Logic < 1267807700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1267807737 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1267807746 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems practical NAND gates need at least two transistors < 1267807801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1267807854 0 :hiato!~fdulu@dsl-245-10-22.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1267807870 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn power failures < 1267807883 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep tripping the router < 1267807888 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kisses his ups < 1267807959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, you need to put the router out of where you walk then < 1267807966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of of the way of* < 1267807980 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh < 1267807999 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting: 08:48:57 --- quit: hiato (Quit: Lost terminal) < 1267808008 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1267808108 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: it means that the terminal that the client was running in closed, or it thought it did < 1267808115 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely the client's response to a SIGHUP < 1267808294 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, thanks < 1267808325 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: noone needs an ifile.it account < 1267808346 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, I made one < 1267808351 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1267808353 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite difficult but I managed i < 1267808361 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to, to steal a book from the internet < 1267808366 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you dont < 1267808521 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1267808556 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1267808563 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to do it without an account < 1267808570 0 :MaXo2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1267808575 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you SEARCHING using ifileit? < 1267808579 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just downloading? < 1267808594 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1267808614 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you search through gigapedia you dont need an ifileit account to download < 1267808627 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: okdponafpdunoadpounyafpdunyofpdoun < 1267808633 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1267808720 0 :rishi__!~rishi@122.173.174.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1267808734 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a good name for an esolang < 1267808988 0 :rishi__!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1267809044 0 :scarf_!~scarf@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1267809063 0 :scarf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1267809153 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1267809940 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody have any new suggestions for what I do with the domain name sibeli.us? < 1267809973 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prokofiev fan site < 1267809987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooh, burn to the S-man :P < 1267810134 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was intended more as an act of dada, than as a burn. < 1267810212 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since you mention it, I've never cared for Sibelius much. < 1267810269 0 :oklokok!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267810275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1267810322 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-162-151-221.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1267810434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1267810485 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since I am open-minded, I'm listening to a Sibelius concerto via youtube right now. < 1267810554 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1267810565 0 :tombom_!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1267810623 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1267810789 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1267810795 0 :oklofok!~oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe99f800-14.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267811097 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1267811111 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not doing much for me. < 1267811115 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have taste. < 1267811116 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1267811121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the burn. < 1267811189 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend suggested a Sibelius-themed Generic Music Idol Band Hero Game < 1267811194 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that maxbru.ch is also available < 1267811213 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I'm not Ch(inese?) < 1267811221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :china's .cn < 1267811251 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not (reverse domain lookup of .ch)ish. < 1267811255 0 :oklokok!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1267811261 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swiss, apparently. < 1267811417 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder which language Swiss reduces to 'ch' in ... < 1267811469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Swiss < 1267811480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they have a language of their own < 1267811528 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some old native language nobody speaks there, but they usually speak German, French and/or Italian (?) < 1267811531 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stands for "Confoederatio Helvetica" < 1267811552 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, uh. Latin. < 1267811564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dedicated to stamping out Arial! < 1267811572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, naturally :P < 1267811581 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: LOL. < 1267811596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And keep in mind, I never write "LOL" unless I actually laugh out loud. < 1267811602 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do you have to be Swiss to own a .ch domain, or can we actually get maxbru.ch? < 1267811627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yay, another sacred defender of the meaning of the acronym LOL! < 1267811644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly ever use it even if I do laugh out loud, because people wouldn't know what I meant < 1267811647 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally use it that way, but I also laugh an embarrassing amount ... < 1267811661 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never write ROFL unless I actually roll on the floor laughing < 1267811667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *And*, I am in a cube at work, where it is currently pretty quiet. < 1267811674 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I never write IMHO unless my opinion is actually humble < 1267811681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I don't think I've ever rolled on the floor laughing < 1267811690 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never write lollercoptahs unless I have actually turned into an anthropomorphic laughing helicopter. < 1267811693 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have < 1267811698 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loooool < 1267811708 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: trying very hard not to LOL. < 1267811713 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anthropololic < 1267811768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: same here < 1267811773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I would get in trouble for doing it in this office < 1267811782 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lolita is a small feminine lol < 1267811789 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1267811804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: X-D < 1267811842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Brilliance. < 1267812097 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Oh, so you never write IMHO at all then? :) < 1267812156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use IMO, it's a lot more neutral < 1267812158 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to this bottle of Coke, I could win eighth notes, dollar signs or Tickets (with a capital 'T', because this is German) < 1267812160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: His opinions are not humble. < 1267812163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO/IMNSHO are just pretentious < 1267812176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is an eighth note 12.5¢? < 1267812176 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO, they are not pretentious. < 1267812181 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That was the implication, yes. < 1267812197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO comes out a bit more naturally after studying Japanese. < 1267812207 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imm-ho < 1267812231 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my haughty opinion < 1267812241 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my naughty opinion < 1267812243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do things like saying "probably" even when you're damned sure of something. < 1267812263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Earth is probably round. < 1267812346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... In sufficiently formal Japanese, that sentence would be said. 【お世界は丸そうでございます。」 < 1267812361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... s/【/「/ < 1267812381 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toxel.com/tech/2010/03/04/cool-water-powered-jet-pack/ < 1267812383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Japanese, being impolite is grammatically incorrect, isn't it? < 1267812390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No. < 1267812405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The impolite form of that is 世界が丸そう。 < 1267812410 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: politeness is meaningless if impoliteness is impossible < 1267812428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And since I am open-minded, I'm listening to a Sibelius concerto via youtube right now. <-- always found Sibelius somewhat "heavy" < 1267812429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1267812432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1267812435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :世界が丸い。 < 1267812454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I can't really express what I mean in English < 1267812464 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, I guess since nobody's made any useful suggestions, I'll be makin' that Sibelius-themed Generic Music Idol Band Hero Game < 1267812465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(literal translation of the polite sentence: The humble world, would appear to most humbly be round.) < 1267812473 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the whole point of etiquette is that you're polite to your superiors, and they aren't polite to you < 1267812542 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: after i give a rigorous proof for something, i often add "or something like that" < 1267812569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: What should I do with the domain name sibeli.us? < 1267812595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: use it for the debonairly boorish fugues, etc < 1267812622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Heheh. < 1267812670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : IMHO/IMNSHO are just pretentious <-- I prefer IMPBPNHO < 1267812694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really) < 1267812720 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you a big fan of sib? < 1267812723 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my Peanut-Butter-Porn Not Humble Opinion < 1267812745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: I am a neutral-to-moderate fan of Sibelius. < 1267812763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I invoke rule 34 on that domain! < 1267812771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EWWWWW < 1267812772 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably know much less about his works than you, i'm a bit patriotically challenged < 1267812773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I done... < 1267812812 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Sibelius-themed Generic Music Idol Band Hero Game it is :P < 1267812826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't like his music. Too heavy and too melancholic < 1267812847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'm sure you hate my music :P < 1267812861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, not really, yours is somewhat technically interesting < 1267812867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sibelius is not < 1267812875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, if it wasn < 1267812898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't* for the technical interesting parts of Liszt and Paganini I wouldn't really like those < 1267812902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is, I do like them < 1267812919 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason i like your mom < 1267812931 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow. < 1267812943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I can't think of any snappy reply to that one... < 1267812961 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your mom is technically interesting" is ... maybe not an insult? Idonno. < 1267812978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I have no clue < 1267812983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it either way I think < 1267812985 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the same reasons that I'm not a fan of his music, he makes a good subject for an Orchestra Hero game or whatever < 1267813004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yeah, I would hate to see Kraus or Mozart subjected to that < 1267813004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Now that's actually a compelling argument ... < 1267813009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Vivaldi < 1267813028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so do you like Sibelius or not? < 1267813072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a neutral-to-moderate fan of Sibelius. His music is not amongst the somewhat small selection I listen to regularly, because I don't like him enough for that, but he's well over the dislike line. < 1267813112 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't a guy have neutral opinions around here? P < 1267813113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1267813166 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he can. < 1267813181 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, maybe not. It doesn't really matter. < 1267813187 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1267813189 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :"Gwandocu (n): Extremely strong evidence, far beyond a reasonable doubt." | alise sighting counter currently out of sequence | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1267813212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about Schönberg? < 1267813217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like the thing you would like < 1267813234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a mental picture of his music off-hand, so Idonno. < 1267813247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is no .rg as far as I know anyway ;) < 1267813249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, disharmonic < 1267813260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, 12 tone scale and all that < 1267813284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-tone_technique < 1267813313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pdqba.ch is available :P < 1267813323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yeargh < 1267813331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is there .rt? < 1267813336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moza.rt < 1267813341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vival.di? < 1267813342 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already checked. < 1267813347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hay.dn? < 1267813360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hand.el? < 1267813360 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, these names are all too famous, they'd certainly have been bought. < 1267813388 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, most national domains have restrictions with regards to citizenship :P < 1267813401 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has the amusing effect that a Finn can't actually own the domain sibeli.us :P < 1267813408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kra.us (please don't do something bad with it. Joseph Martin Kraus is my all time favourite composer!) < 1267813426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ^ < 1267813433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Squatted < 1267813441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1267813567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, beethov.en? < 1267813571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a valid tld? < 1267813594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't eem to be. < 1267813597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seem < 1267813602 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poser.com < 1267813605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They would probably avoid it because people would think it was England. < 1267813609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, schuma.nn ! < 1267813617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I really think his music is boring < 1267813629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The great nation of Nnonninnonn < 1267813631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, quite okay, but nothing really interesting < 1267813631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over here in England, we know that England doesn't have a TLD to itself < 1267813644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it could be Netherlands or something... < 1267813649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because England wurves Scotland, Wales and North Ireland so much :P < 1267813663 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Gibraltar and the Island of Mann if I recall < 1267813710 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, wrong on all regards :P < 1267813714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about those two small islands in the English channel? < 1267813717 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spelling, TLD, membership in the UK :P < 1267813727 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ski? or .ki? < 1267813745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay .ski would be a nice TLD < 1267813750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only three-letter TLDs are the US ones and the generic ones, so you'd know it if it existed :P < 1267813755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine: imperative.ski < 1267813760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1267813764 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugger < 1267813773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, ? < 1267813782 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, ? < 1267813790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why bugger < 1267813800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, you gave us a great idea in the TLD discussion < 1267813800 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted tchaikov.ski < 1267813803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1267813803 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yaeh, I know) < 1267813804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1267813825 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ru.ski < 1267813829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1267813869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, btw .nu fills the same function in Sweden as .to does in English speaking countries (not exact same meaning, but equal large interest in it) < 1267813879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sv:nu = en:now) < 1267813900 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :net means no in russian < 1267813914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1267813915 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several sites use that, like "no cockroaches" and "no beer" < 1267813943 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's spelled differently though, isn't it pronounced "nyet"? < 1267813978 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, in Afrikaans/Dutch(German?) net means only < 1267813983 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nʲet in IPA, net in translit < 1267813989 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1267814006 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, the vowel in IPA is wrong i'm sure, i don't really know it < 1267814039 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, neither do I, so you're right no matter what < 1267814095 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it must be said that I only got the .ski joke now, wow, completely unintended on my behalf :P < 1267814126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1267814133 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ki are $900/year < 1267814136 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nicely played < 1267814151 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is speechless, but can still make the occasional /me < 1267814160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what imperative SKI calculus would be like though < 1267814178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sounds like something for you to design ^ < 1267814180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1267814204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1267814209 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, a = s k k "hello" < 1267814210 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print a < 1267814215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI calculus can be pretty imperative as-is, though < 1267814218 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly pointless < 1267814234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm. What about imperative lambda calculus then? < 1267814245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sa,e < 1267814246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*same < 1267814248 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python < 1267814252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperative haskell would of course beat most things to "bad idea of year" < 1267814261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, declarative python! < 1267814264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile imperative to haskell easily < 1267814271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1267814271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you couldn't, it wouldn't really be powerful enough to be useful < 1267814282 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as if it wasn't chock full of similarly bad ideas :P < 1267814283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it usually isn't the best way to write it, but you can if you want to < 1267814294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I don't think going < 1267814307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*going "up" the scale is wrong < 1267814312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could be < 1267814326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not necessarily so < 1267814335 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, [citation needed] < 1267814341 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1267814404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1267814439 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, to much wiki for meh brains today < 1267814449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, of course it would need proper language support. And not be like that "lambdas in C" hack that pikhq did < 1267814455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, link to it now again? < 1267814538 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdas in C? Coincidentally, I have just discovered a marvellous little proof that no god can exist, written in CLambda, which this magin is too narrow to contain < 1267814557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, it was done with some macros + gnu extensions < 1267814569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, closures too btw < 1267814595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it used two gcc extensions: nested functions and statement expressions < 1267814600 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot believe waht I'm hearing < 1267814622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, then wait for pikhq to get here, he is in some US timezone < 1267814627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc) < 1267814630 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I take it, strict evaluation < 1267814643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, ? < 1267814686 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, writing any lambda expression would be evaluated immeditaely/reduced, irrespecive of whether it was further refernced or applied? < 1267814714 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks that all further typos be excused < 1267814737 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the way I see it, it's a macro, so it just reduced to some convoluted mess of C code that would execute < 1267814744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I don't know < 1267814745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Urgh. No no no no. < 1267814751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why not? I want to see it < 1267814758 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I < 1267814761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pain to paste. < 1267814772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why not just push a hg repo or whatever with it < 1267814774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere < 1267814778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No hosting. < 1267814782 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So send meh ur computerz thro teh interwebz < 1267814789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, bzr + launchpad? ;P < 1267814801 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :github is free for minor stuff, no? < 1267814805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a sec while I tar it up. < 1267814810 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaya < 1267814810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, but that requires git -_- < 1267814821 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I missing something? < 1267814851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, yes perhaps: that I think git is the worst dvcs when it comes to user interface. < 1267814858 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so this is one of those places that hg >> bza >> svn >> cvs == True < 1267814864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr is just so much easier to use < 1267814868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, personally I'm a bzr fan < 1267814873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what on earth is bza? < 1267814873 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs? < 1267814878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, try ais523 for that < 1267814879 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bzr < 1267814890 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say I like hg < 1267814892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, he uses darcs for c-intercal < 1267814895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, hg isn't too bad < 1267814907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just git that I have major trouble with < 1267814909 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what an elaborate way to waste time < 1267814916 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1267814917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, what is? < 1267814922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a darcs fan < 1267814928 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs <- c-intercal < 1267814931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, oh and rcs. But I rarely run into it < 1267814931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/septw/ski.tar.gz < 1267814936 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rcs? < 1267814939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's my SKI interpreter. < 1267814951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even manages to beat bzr at user interface, and the model is a lot better < 1267814952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile with gcc *.c -lgc < 1267814954 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it too ais523, but hg wins over for me < 1267814954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why not compile SKI to C with it? < 1267814964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, using just a simple converter < 1267814966 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohoho, interperter? < 1267814966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Didn't bother is all. < 1267814978 0 :MaXo2!~dwili@esp64-1-82-243-172-27.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267814997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stores that in ~/irc/esoteric/pikhq < 1267815008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. I had been working on making it into a proper Lazy K interpreter. < 1267815019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, lambda.h is the file you want to read < 1267815029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1267815035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1267815041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and closure.h < 1267815048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1267815049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1267815060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is xgc.h? < 1267815069 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pikhq, you implement lambda and ski? < 1267815075 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was reading main < 1267815077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and why does it contain nohup.out? < 1267815078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Declares xgc_malloc. < 1267815086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tarball < 1267815088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uh. < 1267815091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accident. < 1267815094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cat nohup.out < 1267815094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun VirtualBox Headless Interface 3.1.4_OSE < 1267815094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C) 2008-2010 Sun Microsystems, Inc. < 1267815094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All rights reserved. < 1267815096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful < 1267815120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how does one compile this? < 1267815121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: It's some pretty horrifying code. < 1267815123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no makefile < 1267815131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gcc *.c -lgc < 1267815141 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, although I can barely make the outline of how you've done this, I am impressed < 1267815172 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only two warnings :) < 1267815173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: It's pretty easy. I implement Lazy K's semantics naively. < 1267815183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1267815193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, btw do not try it with -pedantic < 1267815195 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to do some research < 1267815209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gcc -pedantic -std=gnu99 *.c -lgc -Wall -Wextra 2>&1 | grep warning | wc -l < 1267815209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :132 < 1267815234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(resulted in errors without that -std=gnu99) < 1267815235 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1267815242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, -pedantic warns about every single GNU extension. < 1267815245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess gnu89 could have worked too, didn't try it) < 1267815255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this code is mostly GNU extensions.\ < 1267815257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gcc -std=gnu99 *.c -lgc -Wall -Wextra 2>&1 | grep warning | wc -l < 1267815258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1267815260 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION always uses -ansi -pedantic >:) < 1267815261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of those too < 1267815282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I use < 1267815310 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cplof's test cases fail if it doesn't build with -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic -DFAKE_JUMPS < 1267815314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, note that the definition of lambdas here could easily *break at any time*. Those functions are not guaranteed to exist by the GCC documentation. < 1267815322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-std=c99 -Wall -Wextra -pedantic -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-align -Wcast-qual -Wbad-function-cast -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wold-style-definition -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wshadow -Wundef -Wpacked -Wfloat-equal -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -Wformat=2 -Wmissing-noreturn -Wmissing-format-attribute -Winit-self -Wunsafe-loop-optimizations - < 1267815322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wmissing-include-dirs -Wunused-parameter -Wunused-function -Wunused-label -Wunused-value -Wunused-variable -Wimplicit -Wparentheses -Wpointer-arith -fno-math-errno -fno-trapping-math < 1267815324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, there ! < 1267815339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that excludes some -D < 1267815342 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Do you know what -Wall means? < 1267815350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it claims that the functions are entirely on the stack. In reality, the trampoline that GCC compiles if needed is on the stack.) < 1267815350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, XD < 1267815358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: -Wall does not enable all warning. < 1267815360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Warnings. < 1267815371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm pretty sure he has redundancy going there. < 1267815378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not for old gcc versions < 1267815384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I support down to gcc 3.4 < 1267815392 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1267815401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it checks which ones are supported by the compiler < 1267815405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1267815409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should add -Wextra to cplof's test case :P < 1267815412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes this yeilds some redundancy, but nothing to worry about < 1267815475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I would strongly recommend at least -pedantic -Wall -Wextra -Wformat=2 -Wwrite-strings < 1267815514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, defines include: -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600 < 1267815573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I'm unlikely to switch to POSIX 2008 yet < 1267815582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might happen before I drop gcc 3.4 support < 1267815661 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wextra includes warnings for unused PARAMETERS < 1267815664 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's completely stupid < 1267815668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no < 1267815671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that useful < 1267815685 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write dozens of functions that are compatible with a single interface. < 1267815686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I use an attribute for the three or so cases where I actually want it to be unused < 1267815696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well add -Wno-unused-parameters then < 1267815698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc) < 1267815705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure about the exact spelling) < 1267815713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(check your local man gcc) < 1267815727 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna stick with -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic :P < 1267815735 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I also compile with OpenWatcom for 32-bit DOS. < 1267815742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, -Wwrite-strings! < 1267815754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that makes sure you don't do things like: < 1267815755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even use any bloody strings :P < 1267815760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char* foo = "bar"; < 1267815766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkstemp(foo); < 1267815783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you need to have it writable for there) < 1267815794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides, proper const usage helps the optimiser) < 1267815906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : why? <-- why what? < 1267815937 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In actuality, the real problem with -Wwrite-strings for cplof is that I cast everything into unsigned char *, and casting away constness explicitly is presumably still considered "OK" < 1267815952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, there is another warning for that < 1267815963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, -Wcast-qual I think < 1267816042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, anyway I find that set of warnings very nice for cfunge. < 1267816081 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: never mind, it was a way back, and thanks to the wonders of lag, in the wrong place < 1267816104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from hiato: 2.20 second(s) <-- bad, but not excessively so < 1267816313 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, nice touch < 1267816324 0 :dev_squid!~dev_squid@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1267816326 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/op12/GRegor-op12-wipp2.ogg , lest I never mentioned it here >_> < 1267816395 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was for pikhq, when he said the definition could break at any time, and my log shows: 20:52 < pikhq> Also, note that the ..... 20:53 < hiato> why? < 1267816401 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so within the margin of error :P < 1267816455 0 :dev_squid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys. < 1267816477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, "wipp"? < 1267816483 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings from beyond the /dev/null < 1267816484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work In Progress Preview < 1267816502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, should name it op12.-2 or such < 1267816508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(clc-intercal style) < 1267816529 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My original naming convention was beta 1, beta 2 etc, but somebody pointed out justly that that's a bit computery for music :P < 1267816540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, aargh did someone fill the bit bucket now again? < 1267816543 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for music which is relatively acoustic. < 1267816571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I don't see anything wrong with it < 1267816581 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but you're a person on #esoteric :P < 1267816619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta#Common_uses <-- template fail < 1267816621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1267816652 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That template is in beta. < 1267816713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1267816747 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what does that mean? < 1267816940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, what bit? < 1267816945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"augh"? < 1267816962 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, did someone fill the bit bucket now again? < 1267816983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, oh that. ask ais523 he can explain it and I'm somewhat busy < 1267816988 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,/"/ and s/$/"/ < 1267817001 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1267817001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_bucket < 1267817027 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthnx,srydood.srsly < 1267817179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I like that op12-wipp2 around 10:58-11:30 especially! < 1267817195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't finished listening to it yet < 1267817286 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what do you compose with? < 1267817307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is this recorded or synthed? < 1267817313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if synthed, what soundfont < 1267817328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, unless I misremember: rosegarden < 1267817346 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1267817355 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be the only kiddy who plays with lmms < 1267817360 0 :dev_squid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1267817368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, what is lmms? < 1267817379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, rosegarden is FOSS in case you didn't know < 1267817400 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naah, I did. Linux Multimedia Studio < 1267817406 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MultiMedia < 1267817409 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1267817410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used rosegaden a bit. < 1267817416 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It is recorded and synthed :P < 1267817418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real PITA is jack < 1267817419 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that I have a digital piano. < 1267817423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1267817427 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually tried a midi tracker < 1267817431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, not recorded with a mic then < 1267817435 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1267817445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, tracker is wrong word for what I use rosegraden for at least < 1267817465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what soundfont though? < 1267817494 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steinway IMIS or something like that, one sec. < 1267817549 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, what would you call it? < 1267817555 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sf2/Steinway_IMIS2.2/Steinway_IMIS2.2.sf2.bz2 < 1267817563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, free? < 1267817575 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite < 1267817588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, was it the one where ehird commented upon the silly site header? < 1267817601 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :P < 1267817607 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK this one exists only in ftp, no web site. < 1267817611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1267817619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so is this one better or worse in your opinion < 1267817624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better. < 1267817625 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much. < 1267817629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a truly outstanding soundfont. < 1267817630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also what tool do you use for the actual synthing? < 1267817635 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluidsynth < 1267817637 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I made this today as a tribute to 8bp, using lmms: did someone fill the bit bucket now again? < 1267817645 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yugh, wrong clipboard < 1267817646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm I never got that to work reliably < 1267817650 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mediafire.com/?zgmc4dlmcnl < 1267817656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluidsynth is hugely buggy and terrible. < 1267817660 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when it does work, it's quite nice :P < 1267817666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how do you use it them < 1267817667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then* < 1267817698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, how do I actually access the file from there? There is no download link as far as I can see here in w3m < 1267817699 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: For just piano it's quite simple: fluidsynth -l -F output.wav my.sf2 my.mid < 1267817710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1267817721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that download is slow: < 1267817723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0% [ ] 110 880 --.-K/s eta 5h 42m < 1267817725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ^ < 1267817725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1267817731 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: you should title it "did someone fill the bit bucket now again?" < 1267817743 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, AnMaster, i think it needs js < 1267817748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have no control of that download site :P < 1267817751 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that is oddly appropriate < 1267817751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I don't do js < 1267817765 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can't think of another host atm < 1267817770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, care to put your local copy somewhere I can get it reasonably soon? < 1267817781 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://download568.mediafire.com/bmxwgiuhbz1g/zgmc4dlmcnl/new_maybe.ogg < 1267817783 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fleh < 1267817787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, thanks < 1267817791 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my session is valid for you < 1267817803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, seems to work < 1267817815 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1267817844 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg, wait, it can't be working < 1267817856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, oh? < 1267817879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, is 3107b155456ce6cc6e811df2ff78a59989a9f2eae38b4b7a70f7a124ab0a55d2e9b4e0763ce037008b9580c162c189a63b58fdfc2346f80f6890c76dbda99b35 the correct sha512sum? < 1267817884 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the file doesn't exist (wrong title), so I donno what it's givin you < 1267817896 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://download732.mediafire.com/y1nmiltmhndg/qwnwkqt1ynn/lmms_1.ogg < 1267817897 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Query < 1267817900 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme check < 1267817930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, gave me a html file http://download732.mediafire.com/y1nmiltmhndg/qwnwkqt1ynn/lmms_1.ogg < 1267817933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that one < 1267817940 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha? < 1267817981 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://download732.mediafire.com/y1nmiltmhndg/qwnwkqt1ynn/lmms_1.ogg ? < 1267817992 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only link I can get < 1267818008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, gives me the download page < 1267818018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, but was the sha512sum correct? < 1267818051 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b9004fc3e3d9d3009ad6f58b8669fb1f897dd2e4097aac1fb4b65310d8bc80756e9eda2c6b4178137b3e71fd809941630266335d4ee4a145de8928d5d08fa645 < 1267818058 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look right < 1267818063 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediafire = fail < 1267818076 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they gave you a file that, according to my log, was deleted last year < 1267818085 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new_maybe.ogg? < 1267818148 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try once more < 1267818237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, why not filebin? < 1267818258 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know about it < 1267818288 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot org/ca? < 1267818302 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, one more try if you don't mind: http://download732.mediafire.com/rw9smzsgbztg/qwnwkqt1ynn/lmms_1.ogg < 1267818364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, .ca is the one I usually use < 1267818372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, seems to work < 1267818377 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1267818378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hasn't finished downloading yet < 1267818416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, b9004fc3e3d9d3009ad6f58b8669fb1f897dd2e4097aac1fb4b65310d8bc80756e9eda2c6b4178137b3e71fd809941630266335d4ee4a145de8928d5d08fa645? < 1267818422 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, well, mediafire's sessions aren't supposed to be this abused. I had to track down the response to activate the download and kill it, then I guess the id was left open < 1267818427 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1267818428 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1267818444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, square waves? < 1267818461 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tribute to 8BP ;) < 1267818467 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8bitpeoples.com < 1267818486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends the hospital bill to hiato for this < 1267818506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I have nothing against things like SID, but this is not like that < 1267818509 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it's not that bad, surely < 1267818512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is too square wave < 1267818528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, the melody isn't bad. I just can't stand square waves < 1267818533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinus for me please < 1267818536 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1267818549 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soory, I tend to like them actually < 1267818552 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, quite a bit < 1267818568 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I have very instrumenty stuff too, just decided to experiment < 1267818604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I'm perfectly fine with things like SID when it doesn't try to sound much more than what it is < 1267818625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I like classical music and some baroque < 1267818631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly viola/violin music < 1267818635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other too < 1267818664 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, fair enough. Well, to be honest the square wave you hate so much I bent out of a SID emulator < 1267818667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Vivaldi is probably number two all time favourite after Kraus) < 1267818684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, sure, but C64 games tend to not use it quite like that < 1267818690 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, well, I do appreciate the odd violin piece, but I'm much more orchestral < 1267818711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, chamber music for me :) < 1267818715 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :medelhsonn etc < 1267818720 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borodiiiiiiin! < 1267818721 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes! not chamber music < 1267818725 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORODIIIIIIIIIIIN < 1267818726 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yugh < 1267818727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, why not? < 1267818756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why.... < 1267818765 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Borodin is awesome? < 1267818770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kraus! < 1267818774 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORODIN! < 1267818775 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just cant stand it. There are a couple of things that I cant stand. Chamber music, water music, most baroque, handel, bach < 1267818783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, have you listened much to Kraus at all? < 1267818784 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tchaikovsky! Prokofiev! < 1267818791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was a true genius < 1267818793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A bit, not much, but it's been a while :P < 1267818800 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Balakirev! Rimsky-Korsakov! < 1267818816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds Led Zeppelin to the discussion < 1267818818 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has good taste < 1267818820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, Gregor: all the ones you mention (up until Gregor's last line) are fairly well known ones < 1267818831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kraus is sadly not so well known < 1267818859 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1267818861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy the complete set from your local Naxos branch today! < 1267818882 0 :dougx!~dougx@vc-41-29-214-141.umts.vodacom.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1267818883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Rimsky-Korsokov was used as a curse word in at least the Finnish translation of Bored of the Rings. < 1267818890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, or at least listen to his C sharp minor sinfonia on youtube < 1267818896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, movement 3 especially < 1267818903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the best music I ever listened to < 1267818907 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also like holst < 1267818915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on second place comes third movement from Vivaldi's summer < 1267818919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when played fast < 1267818921 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn delayed comment < 1267818924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't believe he's actually reorganizing his bookmarks < 1267818932 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holst??? < 1267818935 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff < 1267818939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nine-hit wonder. < 1267818957 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap him out for Elgar. < 1267818959 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1267818966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Elgar is quite okay to listen to < 1267818974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not one of the things that you actually go "wow" over < 1267818977 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard enough of him to decide -> indifference < 1267818979 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is in love with Chrome's bookmark manager < 1267818994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while Kraus and Vivaldi are in the "wow, wow, wow" category < 1267819019 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PACHELBEL < 1267819023 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stabs self* < 1267819029 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh stop talking about music < 1267819032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes, except that music is badly overused < 1267819035 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for saving me the effort, Gregor < 1267819037 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I forget what this guy's name was, but he did the Gymnopédie and Gnossienne and I love it < 1267819042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, there is esolang music too < 1267819047 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Satie < 1267819049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, Satie? < 1267819050 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Satie < 1267819053 0 :dev_squid!~dev_squid@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1267819053 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1267819055 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: aaargh < 1267819057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I quite like Satie < 1267819074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, there is some esolangs that takes midi as input iirc < 1267819085 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prokofiev is my absolute favorite. < 1267819093 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, why do I have a link to a page on /b/ in here? Did I forget that /b/ links tend to die? < 1267819118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, from what I remember, it is quite... heavy and... "pompöst" (no clue what this is in English) < 1267819121 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, ofc, who can deny the schindlers list theme < 1267819126 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaargh < 1267819137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Pompous" < 1267819143 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presumably) < 1267819147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1267819149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1267819152 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :satie can go suck it, fuck you for writing music without bar lines < 1267819156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same goes for Borodin < 1267819159 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a jerk really < 1267819167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and *definitely* for Sibelius < 1267819191 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, how 'bout Ravel then hyuk hyuk < 1267819193 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sibelius sounds like an old man wandering around a house with no idea what he's looking for. < 1267819197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the Swedish word has a negative connotation < 1267819207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, does the English "Pompous" have that? < 1267819211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The English word has negative connotation. < 1267819212 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ravel ftw! too bad he only had one real hit < 1267819214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1267819215 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bizet < 1267819221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Ravel is all right < 1267819224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also overplayed < 1267819228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not balancedly so < 1267819228 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizet only had one opera worth of hits :P < 1267819237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like some of Ravel's other music < 1267819240 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quality>quantity < 1267819245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Bizet just wrote operas didn't he? < 1267819256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I hardly remember what he wrote < 1267819260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't like operas < 1267819269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(guess if I hate or hate wagner?) < 1267819273 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Pompous" means like "arrogant" -- I don't think of Prokofiev's music as anything like that. < 1267819278 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, yes, he wrote an opera, and it is good :P < 1267819282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, did Satie really do that? < 1267819297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rimsky-korsikov": http://pastebin.com/qWERDPKM < 1267819302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm. Most russian music sound like that to be < 1267819309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I just don't like operas! < 1267819315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, pompous doesn't /quite/ mean arrogant, but yeah, similar. < 1267819318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I dislike the singing < 1267819324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can see what AnMaster is saying about pompousness in Russian music. < 1267819336 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Russian music is all awesomesauce :P < 1267819337 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but that is the point < 1267819338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0AkO2OTfjA < 1267819343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "rimsky-korsikov": http://pastebin.com/qWERDPKM <-- ? < 1267819359 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah! I ... er, have ... the red army chior double cd < 1267819372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just a random act of quotation. < 1267819380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I have something like that on LP I think < 1267819383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere < 1267819390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't buy it myself < 1267819401 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's brilliant < 1267819410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *of* Russian music, Prokofiev is like the least pompous, I think. < 1267819414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, I was going to mention that composer who was quite popular until everybody started associating him with Nazi Germany, and now his music is super-underplayed, but I can't remember his name ... < 1267819426 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitler? < 1267819434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, well, their rendition of the Internationale is quite impressive! < 1267819437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the SCO court cases are setting my mind on the verge of exploding < 1267819438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sp?) < 1267819440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler was a fan of his. < 1267819443 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, you get the wonders of Monti in his one favourable piece < 1267819453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, *of* Russian music, Prokofiev is like the least pompous, I think. <-- and it is still too much so for me < 1267819461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer not at all pompous music < 1267819475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, probably why I so much strongly prefer chamber music < 1267819488 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Internationale from them moved me the first time I heard it < 1267819490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Understandable. Well, Vivaldi is also in my Top Ten. < 1267819496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full orchestra somehow tends to make music more easily pompous... < 1267819511 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot say that tchaikovsky was pompous < 1267819511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, hm < 1267819514 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a crime < 1267819516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I do say that < 1267819533 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blasphemer! < 1267819535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lets just not get started about Mahler! < 1267819540 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all about twisted structure to me (could you tell from my languages...?), and for that, Prokofiev absolutely frickin rules. At least, to me. < 1267819555 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon you'll say you like strauss or chopan or something < 1267819558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I think he might even beat Sibelius at being most pompous ever < 1267819567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, which Strauss? < 1267819577 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handel and Chopin are also good stuff. < 1267819577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like some of Chopin's music < 1267819578 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have me stumped < 1267819584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Händel varies < 1267819588 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flight of the valkyer strauss, AnMaster < 1267819589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like part of his music < 1267819595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some less so < 1267819597 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most pompous is obviously vagner < 1267819601 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wagner < 1267819607 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, say it isn't so < 1267819609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : flight of the valkyer strauss, AnMaster <-- now you are mixing up Strauss and Wagner < 1267819612 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg < 1267819614 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1267819617 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant blue danube < 1267819623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, and Wagner is *horrible* < 1267819623 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about wagner though < 1267819626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is easily worst ever < 1267819627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1267819629 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, agreed < 1267819639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, for Strauss, I can't keep them apart really < 1267819643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can't really answer < 1267819647 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only ever heard one wagner piece and it was pretty awesome (the ouverture to lohengrin) < 1267819648 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wagner is background music for D&D melodrama < 1267819667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, tabletop? < 1267819674 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that, it makes OK background music, but that's all it is < 1267819682 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ring cycle < 1267819683 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wagner is bacground music for ww2 melodrama < 1267819689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, flight of the valkyries doesn't fit anywhere < 1267819694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ? < 1267819720 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Das Ring Der Niebelungenungenner < 1267819727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yes < 1267819744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but that last word looks a bit too much extended < 1267819748 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of interest, what's the opion on dvorak here? < 1267819750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entgegengegangen, my favorite verb. < 1267819767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, okay, quite nice background music < 1267819772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you go "wow" over < 1267819774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Debussy varies widely. < 1267819776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some is really good < 1267819779 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I guess < 1267819780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some is a disaster < 1267819790 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debussy only has one piece worthy of my ears < 1267819792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :La Mer is a disaster for example < 1267819796 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clarir de lune < 1267819797 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debussy is for falling asleep to < 1267819826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I would add "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" to that < 1267819832 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1267819835 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copland, and Britten, otoh... < 1267819849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, doesn't ring much of bells here < 1267819852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first slightly < 1267819854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second none at all < 1267819860 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally, the last of my idols, the not so classical gershwin < 1267819865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copland is only known in the US :P < 1267819871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, gershwin is quite nice < 1267819888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I count classically as the classical period only < 1267819890 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, by apperciating him I can forgive your admiration of chamber music < 1267819895 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes the US is known as Copland, because the Cops here are so ... nice. < 1267819899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vulgar sense of "classical" music < 1267819904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call "art music" < 1267819912 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1267819913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from translating the Swedish word for it < 1267819918 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just call it "music actually worth listening to" :P < 1267819921 0 :whtspc!~whtspc@a46058.upc-a.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1267819933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well I think experimental jazz can be quite okay sometimes < 1267819942 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1267819952 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, classical music encompasses Haydn to Beethoven, and not much else. < 1267819959 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And little of what we've talked about. < 1267819967 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debussy is fucking awesome < 1267819973 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, to me, classic music < 1267819980 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classical music, is all of what we mention < 1267819980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Beethoven is right at the edge of the classical period though < 1267819985 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: obviously you like the arabesque < 1267819987 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by debussy < 1267819990 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, he's certainly arguable. < 1267819996 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guilty as charged < 1267819997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, some of his work I would call romantical rather than classical < 1267820008 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that "some" is important :) < 1267820013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I like it, but not something I go "wow" above < 1267820016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about* < 1267820019 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're not hiato < 1267820026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, true < 1267820033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just provided an extra data point < 1267820036 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might actually have some taste < 1267820049 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just claims to like clair de lune, so obviously he must like arabesque as well < 1267820057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets all agree that Mozart's chamber music is awesome? < 1267820062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if for a string quartet < 1267820075 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, divertimentos are kinda boring < 1267820092 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Error: does not compute! < 1267820115 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like the 1st mvt of dissonance quartet, but the others not so much < 1267820117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I quite like the last movement in Eine Kleine Nachtmusik (spelling? The spellchecker should auto detect what I meant!) < 1267820126 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i never actually heard that :D < 1267820132 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1267820137 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sheep may safely graze < 1267820154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, well, it is one of his most famous pieces of music < 1267820161 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only one mvt < 1267820166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, which one? < 1267820168 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously i heard that one < 1267820169 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous one < 1267820170 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1267820177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I don't know which one is the famous one! < 1267820191 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suk! < 1267820204 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody (outside of the Czech Republic) has heard of Suk :P < 1267820211 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqah1rucyRg <-- IT'S SO AMERICAN! < 1267820211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I'm talking about Rondo: Allegro < 1267820234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the title made me decide it wasn't worth the effort to youtube-dl < 1267820240 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1st mvt is the famous one < 1267820249 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, but the percussion section in the orchestra is kind of fail < 1267820249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, all, well, it is kind of okay < 1267820261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, but nothing, I repeat *nothing* like the final movement! < 1267820299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, the final movement really made me go "wow, wow" the first time I heard it < 1267820312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is your opinion on Leopold Mozart? < 1267820322 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's actually a fine piece of music. < 1267820325 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMo of course < 1267820345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which one? K525 IV. Rondo? < 1267820350 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard leopold mozart < 1267820354 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks that anyone who checks the logs for today will think that the date must be April 1 < 1267820354 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the link i sent < 1267820364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many here has even listened to anything composed by W. A. Mozart's father < 1267820368 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has almost no opinion on Mozart < 1267820381 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beethoven, otoh < 1267820385 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Beethoven < 1267820388 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never heard of W. Mozart's Father < 1267820393 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo! < 1267820394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, isn't any "wow" < 1267820408 0 :dougx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1267820409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Any Mozart? Um... < 1267820414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, Leopold Mozart. Heard one piece of it < 1267820419 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Turkish March thing is catchy. < 1267820422 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beethoven is lame < 1267820428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, well yes < 1267820433 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate beethoven < 1267820436 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: name? < 1267820436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I meant Beethoven " cpressey, isn't any "wow"" < 1267820436 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a pretentious dickwad < 1267820437 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: OK, so let me get this straight. < 1267820441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, who? < 1267820446 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: turkish is wolf mozart < 1267820448 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: You *like* Debussy and you *don't like* Beethoven. < 1267820450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, oh the piece? Toy Symphony < 1267820455 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah < 1267820456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, includes some unusual instruments < 1267820461 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1267820465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: beethoven is like, omg check out how awesome i am and how much my heroic soul suffers < 1267820472 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what fuck you dipshit i dont care < 1267820493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I have to agree with lament here. Beethoven made some quite nice pieces. But a lot of it is just too heavy and romantical < 1267820508 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirded! (?) < 1267820529 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when beethoven is classical, he's worse than mozart < 1267820535 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when beethoven is romantic, he's worse than chopin < 1267820539 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just stuck in this in-between stage < 1267820556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, Fur Elise is quite nice though < 1267820578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to play an electronic version of it on some radio station here when it wasn't sending < 1267820579 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moohlight aynone? < 1267820582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, during the night < 1267820586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first opening bars or such < 1267820596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, "meh" < 1267820606 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say moonlight > fur elise < 1267820608 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dcc < 1267820611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what the fuss is about wrt moonlight < 1267820622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, uh, need to unblock it < 1267820626 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just becaues, for me, the melody is more "involved" < 1267820647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, okay, temporarily unignored dcc < 1267820649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again < 1267820656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, and I'm behind weird NAT < 1267820663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I hope it all works on your side < 1267820676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, but what are you going to send? < 1267820679 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Just wanted to get that straight. < 1267820688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and when will the dialogue come?) < 1267820690 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I barely consider what Debussy wrote to be music. < 1267820710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, for La Mer I would agree. For several of his other works I find them very nice < 1267820747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course even La Mer is *miles* above people like Schönberg (who is *parsecs* above Wagner) < 1267820759 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As French composers go, Berlioz or Couperin. < 1267820764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Satie! < 1267820767 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but back to beethoven, I have this brialliant CD set of Ashkenazy playing some of his piano movements, brilliant the lot. But, then as they progress, you can hear the romantic influences and it gets annoying < 1267820769 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right! < 1267820777 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting Satie is French. < 1267820778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Lizt and Paganini are interesting technically < 1267820786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, aren't you going to resend the DCC request then? < 1267820801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, as I said it was dropped first time and now I temporarily allowed it < 1267820801 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only if you are a violin player < 1267820805 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Schönberg was some very twisted soul who I'll never understand. < 1267820806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, what? < 1267820811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, well, to listen to < 1267820829 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paganinin, I don't find technically interesting, being a saxophonist < 1267820836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, it says "connecting..." < 1267820848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, sure you opened the ports on your side? < 1267820851 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck dcc < 1267820852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* DCC RECV connect attempt to lament failed (err=Connection timed out). < 1267820857 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1267820860 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to upload it < 1267820867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, fur elise I see < 1267820873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is special about that one < 1267820895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION re-enabled *!*@* dcc ignore  < 1267820896 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: debussy is stunning at times < 1267820908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, agreed. But what about La Mer? < 1267820913 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you don't like the sunken cathedral? < 1267820915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't say that one is stunning can you? < 1267820925 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please be more logical and less non-sequitur < 1267820936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, wrt what? < 1267820993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never heard the sunken cathedral btw < 1267821006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb in a few minutes < 1267821045 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking my playlist now, it seems I listen to brahms more than vivaldi, handel, chopin, mozart, bach, lizt and some others put together < 1267821051 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't even like brahms :P < 1267821063 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brahms has awesome harmonies < 1267821067 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else is even close < 1267821085 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess rachmaninoff < 1267821151 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was it that wrote the Peer Gynt Suite? That, to me, is the greatest (non-Satie) simplistic music < 1267821163 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Beethoven had a suffering, heroic soul, then Debussy had the soul of a lovesick schoolgirl. < 1267821213 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for Sunken Cathedral < 1267821283 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Grieg I think? < 1267821334 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Se possible < 1267821359 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, by the way, I think struck it lucky with hall of the mountain king < 1267821392 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of a one-hit wonder, yeah, but he wrote a lot of short "character pieces", and what I've heard of the others, he's not too bad. < 1267821414 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pf... didn't know about that < 1267821496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely forgot. < 1267821512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mendelssohn < 1267821517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Checking my playlist now, it seems I listen to brahms more than vivaldi, handel, chopin, mozart, bach, lizt and some others put together <-- bramhs? "meh" again < 1267821533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Who was it that wrote the Peer Gynt Suite? That, to me, is the greatest (non-Satie) simplistic music < 1267821538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grieg is indeed awesome < 1267821566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I listened to the whole Peer Gynt of course < 1267821569 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I can say I have endured the Sunken Cathedral. < 1267821570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite interesting < 1267821576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, link? < 1267821581 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of nice... if you like downing. < 1267821596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or drowning. < 1267821601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mendelssohn is meh < 1267821607 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to which? < 1267821610 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :medelssohn is genious < 1267821618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, sunken cathedral < 1267821619 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :violin concerto in e minor! < 1267821629 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I-TAL-ian, I-TAL-ian, dah DAHHH, duh duh duh < 1267821631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, not sure I heard that one. Link? < 1267821639 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3geejD5Dksk < 1267821683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, disharmonic much? < 1267821693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the bit I hate about La Mer < 1267821697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not hate < 1267821700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too strong < 1267821704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"strongly dislike" is better < 1267821716 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-035Fall-2005/CourseHome/index.htm < 1267821719 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yugh < 1267821726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, really? < 1267821731 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p08izmpPy0s# < 1267821734 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1267821736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, are you using synergy or something? < 1267821737 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lots of wishy-washy not-exactly-disharmonious fourths and ninths and stuff, I though < 1267821743 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn two xclipboards < 1267821744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tends to fuck up your clipboard badly < 1267821752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I always use middle mouse one < 1267821815 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1267821883 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chopin isn't great, but there's a couple of his pieces that always get stuck in my head < 1267821895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay background music < 1267821900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't remember it 5 minutes later < 1267821903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't dig piano music generally, but his I can usually stand < 1267821907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my opinion on Chopin < 1267821923 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite as background-y as Wagner, but yes, pretty background-y. < 1267821925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, wrt. piano music: Mozart or Lizt < 1267821936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I play piano (amateur level!) myself < 1267821945 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I know almost nothing by Liszt. < 1267821950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, wagener isn't backgroundy. Wagner is headachy < 1267821957 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, I now claim, Mozart was a robot. < 1267821963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what? < 1267821977 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I figured I ought to have some opinion about him, so there it is,. < 1267821984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1267822070 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and? what did you think of he mendelssohn? < 1267822072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, listened to that sunken cathedral. Not one of his best pieces < 1267822082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, just started listening to it < 1267822102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, too much symphony orchestra. But at least a lot of strings. < 1267822118 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's a *violin* concerto < 1267822121 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly solo < 1267822122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, one of mendelssohn's better pieces so far < 1267822128 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Max Bruch also wrote a pretty quality violin concerto < 1267822133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, well, too much orchestra then < 1267822134 0 :angstrom!~anon@unaffiliated/angstrom JOIN :#esoteric < 1267822140 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of him cpressey < 1267822142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hiato, remember I prefer chamber music) < 1267822151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm who is angstrom? < 1267822160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: I first heard of him from the B-side of that Mendelssohn concerto :) < 1267822161 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could a quine be written which utilizes a function to generate a sequence of numbers (ascii) which, printed out, represent the program (_including_ the implementation of the function!) ? < 1267822165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, anyway got anywhere with befunge-111 today? < 1267822177 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not working on it today. < 1267822189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angstrom, how do you mean? < 1267822202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angstrom, and in which language < 1267822204 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*B-side of a recording of that Mendelssohn concerto < 1267822219 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wondering whether is possible at all < 1267822221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angstrom: in any sufficiently powerful language (TC with a few assumptions about I/O), there's no reason it couldn't be < 1267822240 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You get pinged on 'quine', don't you? :) < 1267822243 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right, a chamber musci man can't apperciate mendelssohn at his best < 1267822244 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but how would one move towards it < 1267822249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, :D < 1267822252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no, I don't; just happened to look into the channel < 1267822261 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: interesting, I'll take a look around < 1267822269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angstrom: you'd use one of the quine models that allow you to add arbitrary data that's also quined < 1267822278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, yeah, Vivaldi, Mozart and Kraus for me. And *some* of Haydn < 1267822288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put code in that duplicates that arbitrary data that changes an ordinary quine into the numbers < 1267822297 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is not what i mean < 1267822306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1267822338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to limit the "function" somewhat so it doesn't have a bunch of arbitrary data encoded in it? < 1267822346 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: OK, listening to the Mendelssohn concerto again, uhhh. Max Bruch's is good, but it doesn't compare. < 1267822382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato yet I like Grieg very much. But a lot of his isn't pompous even though it uses a full orchestra. (Of course some exceptions, like "I dovregubbens sal" (iirc, and "In the hall of the mountain king" in English)) < 1267822391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yet that one is acceptable somehow) < 1267822406 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for every given arbitrary finite sequence a function, which generates this sequence, could be described. the problem is: the sequence _must_ contain the implementation of the function < 1267822414 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1267822438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyone made a GOL "quine"? < 1267822441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1267822443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-trivial one < 1267822447 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, everyone has theri own tastes though. funyy that you like grieg though < 1267822451 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got my point? < 1267822458 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah! now you start to apprecaite mendelssohn < 1267822464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angstrom: yes; but that's just the same as a normal quine < 1267822469 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's brilliant like no other for those concertos < 1267822472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, it has a feeling of lightness and open nature about it all through. < 1267822475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can see the entire program as a function < 1267822495 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, what, grieg? < 1267822499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, yes < 1267822512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: I had forgotten... < 1267822513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, don't you just see the fjords when you listen to his music < 1267822527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well not in all pieces of course) < 1267822531 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could you provide me with a particular example? all the quines i've seen relly heavily on pre-processor macros < 1267822532 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster hahaha, yeah, I'm pining for the fjords < 1267822538 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey :) < 1267822558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, augh. But seriously... some of Grieg's best is non-Peer-Gynt < 1267822558 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe you are right < 1267822572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angstrom: think any BF quine, but interpreted as a function; if you want it to be an actual function in the language, use a BF-like language which has functions < 1267822577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, hardangerfela (sp?) is a nice Norwegian "folk" instrument < 1267822593 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I must disagree. In fact, I find it hard to apprecaite any of his other stuff compare to it < 1267822611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardingfele < 1267822619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, what? !? < 1267822634 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ic. have to investigate < 1267822635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, Peer Gynt is good but nothing like *digs around for cd* < 1267822665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1267822704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, hm must check which track on the cd it is I'm thinking about < 1267822757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, Norwegian Dance No. 2 for example < 1267822775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, (Allegretto tranquillo e grazioso) < 1267822819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, Solveig's Sang is nice though < 1267822820 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link por favor < 1267822828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though it is in Peer Gynt) < 1267822857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, sure: http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.551108 < 1267822860 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, I think I did try searching for norweigan dance once, after having heard it on theradio < 1267822879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm times out for me that link < 1267822889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it loads < 1267822905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, anyway, it is track 3 on that cd. < 1267822919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, solveig's sang you can find any number of < 1267822926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, just pick an instrumental one! < 1267822933 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schubert's Unfinished is also good. Never been a huge fan of his other stuff though. < 1267822946 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: will do, commencing youtubing now < 1267822949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, also Holberg Suite: Prelude is awesome < 1267823025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I imagine a Scandinavian mountainous region, crystal clear weather, slight breeze, mid-morning. < 1267823035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fjords definitely have a place in there! < 1267823079 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :P < 1267823082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it changes feeling towards the end < 1267823089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to begin with it is definitely like that < 1267823093 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it keeps timing out, but I will keep searching < 1267823108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, also Holberg Suite: Andante is quite nice < 1267823120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "wow" < 1267823122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but restful < 1267823186 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, I like the dramatic music of tchaikovsky, and the tension of prokofiev (esp: dance of the knights/romeo juliet) so it's difficult for me to accept "airy" music like some of this < 1267823207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, tchaikovsky: overly dramatic and somewhat pompous < 1267823225 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: I think you and I must have similar tastes. Satie is some of the only music that I like that I would call "airy". < 1267823240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, But would you call Vivaldi's summer, third movement "airy"? < 1267823249 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tchaikovsky I'm kind of neutral on. < 1267823258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, it's supposed to depict a raging thunderstorm ffs! < 1267823260 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vivaldi rocks. < 1267823271 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I would mostly agree < 1267823284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that movement takes second place on my all time best list < 1267823297 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, the only thing I really like from vivaldi is winter, er, allegro i think < 1267823323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after Kraus' Sinfonia in C# minor movement 4 < 1267823336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, the winter is the worst of the seasons < 1267823339 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like weird. Some of the composers I like are obviously pretty weird (Prokofiev, Satie, Milhaud, Stravinsky...) I'm trying to figure out what the ones who *aren't* weird, have in common. < 1267823344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course vivaldi did a lot more than just the seasons < 1267823350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it very nice < 1267823359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, satie is not weird < 1267823362 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vivaldi is not weird, neither is Mendelssohn < 1267823381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I recommend you listen to Kraus < 1267823393 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I really can't dig vivaldi < 1267823393 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Satie is extremely weird! It's just hard to hear in some of his pieces < 1267823399 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: to me, those are normal < 1267823401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, well that's your issue ;P < 1267823403 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He wrote a piece for walking stick! < 1267823408 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what AnMaster appreciates, now that's weird ;) < 1267823417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, no! < 1267823436 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on the other hand, Schoenberg was ... too weird. Schoenberg is like the Malbolge of composers. < 1267823465 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1267823469 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that comparison < 1267823474 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard his stuff though < 1267823479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, airy music I definitely like. Dramatic: sure, but I definitely forbid more than 0.01 µWagner of pompousness! < 1267823482 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where satie is BF < 1267823493 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1267823494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satie wrote a piece with words, and included the note "These are not lyrics. Under no circumstances should they be spoken aloud during performance" < 1267823505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, my dad likes Schönberg. And Wagner. < 1267823507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder* < 1267823533 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, I don't like wagner any more than you, and unfortunately, you have the same taste as my dad AnMaster < 1267823534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, he was quite anti-Wagner iirc < 1267823535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, Satie = BF? Maybe... < 1267823546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, "unfortunately"? < 1267823557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, nah, Satie is more like a mild version of intercal < 1267823562 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, we have entirely separarte CD collections < 1267823569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, same here! < 1267823574 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking Satie = Underload, but I'm not familiar enough with Underload to say < 1267823575 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant stand his stuff, he doesn't like mine < 1267823583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad even likes Stravinsky < 1267823587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I just don't get < 1267823587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not familiar enough with Satie to say < 1267823596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it isn't actually horrible < 1267823598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Wagner is < 1267823604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, what is the point of Stravinsky... < 1267823606 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, mine likes water music, which is just atrocious < 1267823621 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The point of Stravinsky is The Rite of Spring. < 1267823622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, Händel's water music? < 1267823624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is kind of OK < 1267823630 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in specific, but yes < 1267823639 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHH! NOOOOOO! Not you too! < 1267823643 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about all... a lot of his other stuff is pretty meh. < 1267823643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I never knew Handel had an umlaut < 1267823649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, not on my "best" list < 1267823652 0 :chickenzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried spectral music ? :) < 1267823654 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: ? < 1267823657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, he dropped it after he moved to UK < 1267823663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but yes originally he did < 1267823676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and that is an ä not an a with an umlaut < 1267823677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t! < 1267823680 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Handel pretty good. I think he makes my top ten. Or at least, he did once. < 1267823681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/t// < 1267823689 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ok, fine, but try not to listen to it < 1267823693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1267823697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, water music? < 1267823708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, yeah most movements are a bit too pompous for my taste < 1267823711 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1267823714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one movement in it I like < 1267823721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one was it now again < 1267823725 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"airy", insusbstantail, decorative < 1267823728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, Alla hornpipe or something? < 1267823745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, the other ones are too pompous definitely, or just not good < 1267823776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, also way too few violins in the water music! < 1267823778 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I'm sorry, the act of listening to that and baroque is physically annoying to me, I just can't do it < 1267823788 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What do you think of Couperin? < 1267823797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, "who?" < 1267823807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I do keep away from Bach played on organ < 1267823816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bach on piano is quite okay < 1267823825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: baroque, french, mainly harpsichord/organ < 1267823827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hate the instrument that is called organ < 1267823828 0 :angstrom!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :angstrom_ < 1267823842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, harpsichord is quite okay < 1267823848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, organ should be outlawed < 1267823879 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :organ >> harpsicord, have you ever heard of jazz harpsichord? I don't think so < 1267823887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1267823901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I only enjoy jazz when I happen to listen to it < 1267823907 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZXzuIsxb64 if you want a sample (it's alright -- I know I've heard better by him, but I can't find it) < 1267823908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by pure chance < 1267823910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267823916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't something I actively try to listen to < 1267823936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, also organ should be outlawed < 1267823941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still maintain that < 1267823947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the worst instrument ever devised < 1267823957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly apart from "opera-style singing" < 1267823963 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really happy about any instrument that has only one output level < 1267823981 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think I share AnMaster's organ-hate < 1267823991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm? that would explain a lot about organs < 1267823993 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harp, ugh < 1267823993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that was so < 1267823998 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you have some serious problems, like, the same sort should I choose to code liktheora in malbolge < 1267824001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, harp can be nice < 1267824020 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harp is okay, harp as in harmonica is great < 1267824022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, libtheora in malbolge!? < 1267824023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1267824035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I mean, classical harp < 1267824036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, harpsichord has one dynamic only. That's why a piano is called a piano (short for pianoforte, i.e. it can be soft *and* loud) < 1267824045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what "harp as in harmonica" *is* < 1267824062 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harp is blues/jazz slang for harmonica. very confusing < 1267824071 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harp is slang for harmonica < 1267824074 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, ninja'd < 1267824076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what about spinets? < 1267824104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ninja'd"? < 1267824108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth does that mean < 1267824118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harmonica is "meh" < 1267824121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutral < 1267824169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, anyway, I'm not talking about jazz instruments here < 1267824176 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god you're STILL talking about music < 1267824183 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not really familiar with them. There are a tonne of percussion/plectra keyboard instruments that have niche roles... < 1267824187 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to lunch already < 1267824194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, we were talking about quines a bit in the middle < 1267824201 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: harps are not jazz instruments. < 1267824203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, but well, there was no other discussion going on < 1267824208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I never claimed that < 1267824212 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think we're mostly talking about instruments now. < 1267824213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, it was hiato who did < 1267824220 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: from the xkcd forums, someone beats you to someting < 1267824230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, ah... < 1267824232 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: harp -> harmonica < 1267824240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, xkcd jumped the shark long ago < 1267824240 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, harmonicas are not jazz instruments < 1267824246 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harp -> harmonica confused me for years < 1267824256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harp is harp < 1267824258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else to me < 1267824263 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goatkcd.com/120/sfw < 1267824266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because blues is not jazz. < 1267824292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, nsfw! < 1267824303 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some people play chromatic harmonicas in a jazz setting < 1267824318 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when people say harp they usually mean diatonic < 1267824321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, has anyone invoked rule 34 on rule 34? < 1267824344 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: jumped the shark? < 1267824349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I also heard Vivaldi's summer on electric guitar < 1267824349 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, FWIW, I don't really like harmonica. < 1267824353 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about rule 42 on rule 34? < 1267824356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, go figure < 1267824365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't like it at all) < 1267824374 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass harmonicas are much cooler. < 1267824377 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: ok, fair enough, but my original claim was that organs can be < 1267824385 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: most people play harmonicas really badly < 1267824396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark < 1267824411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for that!) < 1267824423 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XPfoFZYso8 <-- Glass harmonica. Maybe AnMaster will forgive that it sounds kind of like an organ? < 1267824431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(be aware of that tvtroupes is highly addictive!) < 1267824438 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, harmonica = "mouth organ" < 1267824465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, How does it work? < 1267824483 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Water. < 1267824486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but it gave me half a headache I feel < 1267824497 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION head will explode, as he cannot debug+chat+chat+irc < 1267824501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why is it spinning? < 1267824512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, irc is chat < 1267824515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no other chat < 1267824516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1267824518 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never mind blink and breath) < 1267824521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk < 1267824524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is dead < 1267824527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly so < 1267824527 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1267824533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still know some people who use talk < 1267824538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes seriously! < 1267824545 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? No! < 1267824551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, not only < 1267824552 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely thou jesteth! < 1267824553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use irc too < 1267824557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk, not ntalk? < 1267824562 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gtalk? < 1267824568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ntalk? < 1267824572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1267824580 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ncurses except for talk, not curses < 1267824581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses xinetd I know < 1267824583 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1267824592 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n prolly stood for 'new' < 1267824596 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1267824599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ah ytalk was the program talking the talk protocol I think < 1267824605 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, ytalk < 1267824615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what about ntalk then? < 1267824626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, and glass harmonica is *technically* impressive < 1267824629 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the name popped into my head < 1267824634 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember where its from < 1267824634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound is less so < 1267824645 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: agreed. it's not the prettiest sound. < 1267824667 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has the prettiest sound? < 1267824673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, violin < 1267824674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far < 1267824675 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION votes cello < 1267824681 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :violins are high-pitched screechy things < 1267824687 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skreeech < 1267824687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, they are not < 1267824695 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skreeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAURGH < 1267824697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are vibrantly wonderful harmonics! < 1267824703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are/have/ < 1267824712 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're too high pitched < 1267824716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I disagree < 1267824718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet, violas sound like violins with a chest cold. < 1267824718 0 :dev_squid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1267824729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :violas are too high pitched! < 1267824733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I agree with < 1267824738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :violins are wonderful < 1267824751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, but do you hate that range on other instruments? < 1267824762 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My vote is either flute or french horn. < 1267824769 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1267824788 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sax! < 1267824794 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's not a typo) < 1267824795 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Which one? < 1267824799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, no that is just silly < 1267824808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, also sure if that is sv:sax < 1267824808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1267824821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is en:scissors < 1267824833 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to say, of saxophones, probably alto < 1267824833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you play music on scissors? < 1267824839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like musical bow? < 1267824866 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soprano is too whiny, tenor too throaty, baritone OK except bass clarinet is better < 1267824877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but wait, aren't viola's lower pitch than violins? < 1267824882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet violins sounds better? < 1267824888 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, they are. < 1267824892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, they do. < 1267824896 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just about pitch < 1267824903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, they why do I find violas annoying but violins awesome? < 1267824912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cello quite okay < 1267824930 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of saxophones, definitely baritone < 1267824931 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because violas are fail, I guess < 1267824935 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baritone sax is my favourite instrument < 1267824939 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry! < 1267824940 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean tenor < 1267824941 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, I turn my head for two minutes and you go from salto sax -> scissors < 1267824942 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not barintone < 1267824942 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1267824944 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tisk tisk < 1267824952 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tenor sax. best instrument. < 1267824956 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than cello of course. < 1267824959 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naah, alto < 1267824965 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alto - too high pitched and boring < 1267824970 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alto pwns ur vilin n00blar < 1267824971 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lacks character < 1267824978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, :P < 1267824980 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only losers play alto < 1267824983 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ur vilin belong to us < 1267825002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop mixing up two memes -_- < 1267825004 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: we clearly have different taste < 1267825012 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1267825015 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you listened to 50's rock? < 1267825022 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you listened to 30's rock? < 1267825022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, *shudder* < 1267825037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next you are going to say you like rap or country western! < 1267825070 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good place to temporarily upload an mp3? < 1267825073 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I do like some rap < 1267825078 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: 30's? No < 1267825080 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without creating an account? < 1267825083 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking Fats Domino here < 1267825092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, and yet rap is even worse than country western. And country western is horrible < 1267825095 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it, er, filehost.rg? < 1267825103 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an open mind is key < 1267825105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, filebin? < 1267825109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, .ca that is < 1267825112 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1267825116 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that one infected by some worm? < 1267825121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, is it? < 1267825124 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1267825139 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: im so eclectic in my tastes its not even funny, taht is to say, it was never funny to begin with < 1267825144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I thought it was quite a okay one. ais used it for enigma levels iirc < 1267825153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, ? < 1267825180 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://filebin.ca/ducjyo/elise2.mp3 < 1267825211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, wgetted < 1267825230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, how should I put it < 1267825245 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Which rap would that be? < 1267825249 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I like everything from hardstyle, house and rap to all the composers above and even square waves and 8bit music < 1267825256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, _interesting_ arrangement < 1267825263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, quite okay though < 1267825267 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we're in completely different territory and my tastes are completely different. < 1267825279 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is some rap I like but it is very rare. < 1267825280 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I like some on eminems work, as well as some israeli groups and some tupac < 1267825287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rap is just unacceptable < 1267825287 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://filebin.ca/ducjyo/elise2.mp3 < 1267825290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1267825293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't even music < 1267825294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1267825303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be classified as noise < 1267825317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a health and safety issue < 1267825351 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1267825353 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1267825364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what about "god wrote the world in lisp"? I like it because of it's lyrics only < 1267825376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *never* heard of that :) < 1267825378 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I hate pop < 1267825387 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you :( < 1267825389 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :songs with words suck, unless they are rap < 1267825407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-OjTPj7K54&fmt=18 < 1267825408 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along the lines of modern-but-still-"art/chamber", anyone like Penguin Cafe Orchestra? < 1267825420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, you too < 1267825426 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so, I have found maybe five rap songs out of aa good three hundred that I like < 1267825427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, and that is because of lyrics < 1267825431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because of the music < 1267825438 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: love penguin cafe < 1267825455 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lyrics are part of it duh < 1267825459 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Ha! Suspected so. < 1267825461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, yes < 1267825463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, ... < 1267825464 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvbCV6E0Wro <-- PCO < 1267825466 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: really? < 1267825473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I said I only liked it because of it's lyrics < 1267825476 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wiat, me too what? < 1267825480 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Taste intersection :) < 1267825490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, the link I gave just amove it < 1267825492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :above* < 1267825493 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only like bach because of its melody < 1267825497 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut! < 1267825510 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it would seem so :) < 1267825519 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I see, youtubing now < 1267825549 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ever heard of apocalyptica? < 1267825562 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1267825599 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: I don't think so... < 1267825605 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's four celloists, but they play connected to apms and so < 1267825608 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's brilliant < 1267825620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so what do you think about it? < 1267825628 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Do they do covers of Metallica? < 1267825630 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, catchy tune :P < 1267825633 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1267825643 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have heard of them < 1267825648 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apocalyptica are awesome :) < 1267825654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, cpressey ^ < 1267825655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1267825662 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: I think I've maybe heard recordings *by* them, but didn't know anything about the group < 1267825663 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: !! < 1267825676 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's queued up, one sec :) < 1267825692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you will actually "lol" I think < 1267825693 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apocalyptica is the worst shit ever seriously < 1267825698 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster ? It's a catchy tune, but fits rignt into the "I hate men with guiatars category" though the lyrics made me smile < 1267825701 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a retarded bunch of losers < 1267825701 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament ..... < 1267825704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, and I'm one of those who try to use it correctly < 1267825709 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should strange each other with their strings < 1267825715 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god this is horrible < 1267825725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the lyrics are fun though < 1267825742 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Steve would probably love this < 1267825743 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apocalyptica is an injoke, you need to be a metalhead and a cellist to appreciate it and it's still only mildly funny < 1267825758 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1267825766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so why did you call it horrible? < 1267825768 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, er, right, still sounds good to me < 1267825775 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1267825783 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: CHEESY < 1267825784 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say some apocalyptica cover of metallica < 1267825784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I assume it was that lisp one? < 1267825786 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIGHT sound okay < 1267825788 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: you see *lament* is an injoke < 1267825791 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the original sounds better < 1267825794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: YES < 1267825796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, define that < 1267825799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is drowning in cheese < 1267825802 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all apocalyptica achieved is to make a piece of music worse < 1267825805 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: it's all starting to make sense :P < 1267825811 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: probably, judging by the title, but i can't listen at work < 1267825812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for a dictionary < 1267825833 0 :dougx!~dougx@vc-41-29-214-141.umts.vodacom.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1267825836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never bother to look up what "cheesy" meant except in a culinary context < 1267825851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, since I'm unable to locate a dictionary atm could you explain it < 1267825892 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTD2lKew4iI&feature=related < 1267825941 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh god it's long, too. six minutes of programming language-based filk is wayyyy too much.) < 1267825958 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, lessee. Define "cheesy". Well.. < 1267825961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, what an overly dramatic video. also < 1267825964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HELLL < 1267825977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, it is a complete disaster after 00:33 or so < 1267825982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complete and utter disaster < 1267825983 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, video sucks < 1267825994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I have never heard anything this bad < 1267826000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stops playing it < 1267826007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can not stand listening to the end of it < 1267826015 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your taste .[asarsarsars], my taste .{7283748923794} -> longest common subsequence = . < 1267826047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, didn't we both like Grieg? < 1267826058 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep :P that dot was griep < 1267826061 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grieg < 1267826065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1267826072 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, for example, have you heard flanders and swann? < 1267826083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, US? < 1267826086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, "cheesy" is hard to define < 1267826092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, the names are not familiar at all < 1267826093 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK! < 1267826099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, well I live in Sweden so... < 1267826101 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"of poor quality through being overdramatic, excessively emotional or clichéd, trite, contrived, shoddy" (wiktionary) < 1267826105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, when did they live? < 1267826107 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sixties-ish entertainers < 1267826108 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uk < 1267826109 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't capture it < 1267826111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1267826114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it < 1267826132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I do like Tom Leherer (spelling?) though < 1267826135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :American < 1267826146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, both nice music and nice lyrics < 1267826147 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Lehrer < 1267826152 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brialliant < 1267826155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, indeed < 1267826171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvbCV6E0Wro < 1267826171 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll probably like flanders an swann < 1267826175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one wasn't too bad < 1267826178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatively speaking < 1267826178 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they came up with the hippo song < 1267826182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far at least < 1267826191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it gets worse a bit in < 1267826199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like percussion? < 1267826208 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you seen funny bones? < 1267826213 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N_tmH6y7ng <-- there's some more cheese, but instrumental. < 1267826226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which really doesn't have anything to do in music except the occasional bong in Ravel's Bolero or such < 1267826235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, never heard about it < 1267826250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, queued < 1267826256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, also did you like the lyrics or not? < 1267826265 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :related videos (from perpetuum mobile) -> how to build hover shoes < 1267826273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, ^_^ < 1267826285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, but what is that music btw? < 1267826295 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, that harmonium thing? < 1267826301 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or funnybones? < 1267826316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1267826323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"perpetuum mobile" < 1267826324 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er? < 1267826325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1267826328 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, wait, we're still talking about music? < 1267826330 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1267826352 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well there's at least 1000 years to get through < 1267826357 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1267826375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZXzuIsxb64 : quite nice so far < 1267826398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I will say they are the most intensely programming-language-related lyrics I have heard yet. < 1267826403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harpsichord? < 1267826408 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZXzuIsxb64 <- YUGH! < 1267826410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't sound like piano < 1267826422 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1267826425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I remember some about qbasic btw < 1267826426 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or honky-tonk < 1267826432 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, my main point of comparison is Guy Steele's "Lambda Bound" (to the tune of "Homeward Bound") < 1267826433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, it was quite a nice sound < 1267826435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1267826437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, :) < 1267826444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, in fact wonderful sound < 1267826449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like harpsichord < 1267826461 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this trumps all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht96HJ01SE4&feature=player_embedded# < 1267826491 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267826531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, cpressey, lament, Gregor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpH0QnVQi0A&fmt=18 < 1267826532 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-10-47.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1267826537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the best recording < 1267826543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the C sharp minor version is better yet < 1267826546 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: Yes, it probably does. < 1267826546 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: watch my last one damnit! < 1267826549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't find it on youtube < 1267826551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, queued < 1267826551 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :D < 1267826559 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS MUSIC IS SO PRETENTIOUS < 1267826564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1267826566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what one? < 1267826569 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invoke ajump < 1267826576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, I've heard this. < 1267826580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very ... classical. < 1267826584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, :) < 1267826585 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose? < 1267826587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful isn't it? < 1267826596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is the one I linked last < 1267826598 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not watching youtube at work, what is it? < 1267826604 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad you can't actually queue youtube videos (in a simple way) < 1267826606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly I'm not much of a classical guy, I much prefer the romantic era. < 1267826607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, Joseph Martin Kraus < 1267826621 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1267826634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you can. Open in separate tabs. Copy the urls to youtube-dl -b command < 1267826642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, since you don't have flash installed < 1267826643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1267826683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hiato Gregor: oi! This contains both C minor and C# minor versions after each other: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbhA7NRZTZ0 < 1267826686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can compare < 1267826696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember to add &fmt=18 to that of course < 1267826698 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I must say, it's pleasant, but not my style < 1267826701 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one I listened to the last time you linked it :P < 1267826707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the comparing one? < 1267826709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1267826731 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, listening to Kraus now, and... < 1267826737 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Now take the two versions and overlay them. < 1267826775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, sound quality is better in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbhA7NRZTZ0&fmt=35 < 1267826780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the best version of it < 1267826781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1267826787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1267826789 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's not both versions too, is it? < 1267826798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that is both versions separately yes < 1267826808 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does everybody play both versions? :P < 1267826810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I just forget to add &fmt=35 to it < 1267826814 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's the same link, durp < 1267826814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1267826861 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to put things back in perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_hOR50u7ek one of my all time fvourites < 1267826878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey listened to that "cheesy" one, don't get what you mean at all < 1267826881 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty good. But it's hard to see how it would not be called equally "pompous" when say Tschiakovsky would < 1267826908 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It sounds less ... gay than Tchaikovsky" < 1267826929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, everything does < 1267826941 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take offense < 1267826946 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is less way than tchaikovsky < 1267826959 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: programming language are not something to sing about < 1267826965 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "way" some crazy Finnish ... way ... to say "gay"? < 1267826970 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marche slave is brilliant, the 1812 is fantiastic, swan lake is unrivaled < 1267826978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this trumps all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht96HJ01SE4&feature=player_embedded# <-- on instrument awesomeness yes < 1267826982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is the music < 1267826985 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i typoed it and realized it was better that way < 1267826993 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen, bohemian rhapsody < 1267827017 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato: I take offense to the fact that you assume I meant "gay" negatively, and not simply that all of his music is imbued with his gayness :P < 1267827027 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahaah! < 1267827032 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually laughed out loud < 1267827039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, and what is that instrument in that video? < 1267827043 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at, whatever it is here, er, ten past 10 < 1267827052 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*12 < 1267827060 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a scanner < 1267827066 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a floppy disk drive < 1267827067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, old one indeed < 1267827080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, also some other instruments I suspect? < 1267827091 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the oscilliscope buzzes < 1267827098 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tape drive sort of clicks < 1267827117 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's that static melody sound from the waveform gen I assume < 1267827145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, heck that digital scope looks very similar to the ones we have at university < 1267827154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looks ours is one or two models after it < 1267827169 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now, without further adue, and before I offend the possibly homo Gregor again, I must leave, got an early morning tomorrow < 1267827172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or they didn't change much) < 1267827174 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cheers all, twas fun < 1267827180 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ooooh, that sucks :P < 1267827186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, oh? < 1267827192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, it was the digital ones at least < 1267827193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1267827203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, also introductory course < 1267827212 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow i'll sleep till noon and never wake up! < 1267827212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are other ones as well < 1267827216 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, digital >= 1921 (invention of transistor) < 1267827222 0 :alise!~d4b78c12@gateway/web/freenode/x-cqkayclxlajiepok JOIN :#esoteric < 1267827224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:09:23 it seems like every ten seconds it parks itself, then pops up a little dialog box to let you know it parked < 1267827226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, I meant the one with the square display < 1267827228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disabled the dialog box. < 1267827236 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, delay < 1267827238 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, cheers < 1267827242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato, cia < 1267827244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya* < 1267827248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1267827250 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi alise, would you like to talk about music? < 1267827257 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1267827277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... sure? For what particular reason? < 1267827313 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Past ~3 hrs, that's all the channel has been talking about. < 1267827336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some people seemed annoyed by this. < 1267827339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hiato posted this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht96HJ01SE4 < 1267827340 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was kind of an in-joke. < 1267827341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1267827353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so what did you think about Kraus btw? < 1267827372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of musical discussion? < 1267827389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, pre-1900 mostly with a few more modern mentions < 1267827406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you said that, I'll take it to mean "contemporary pop music". < 1267827409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, very music "which is the best (vulgar sense) classical composer" < 1267827414 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: He's OK. Like I said, he seems almost as "pompous" as any romantic, Russian composer to me. < 1267827420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Best" is such a vulgar word. < 1267827441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hardly. Well that recording maybe. I suggest you listen to the recording I have at home < 1267827452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which was performed by chamber "orchestra" < 1267827456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, sounds much better < 1267827461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to inject some true vulgarity into the discussion: Autechre have a new album out. < 1267827476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeargh < 1267827491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, look what you done. alise is the one who likes *really* weird music < 1267827497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eat bleeps and die, AnMaster! < 1267827506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, cpressey mentioned KFDforgotten the rest of the name. < 1267827512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we're only seven lightyears apart. < 1267827513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you admitted that yourself a bit before < 1267827515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1267827519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite some time ago < 1267827523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From my position you're not even in the observable universe < 1267827572 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to get into modern music, yes, I like KMFDM. And Rage Against the Machine. And Bad Religion. And Rammstein. < 1267827584 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is sort of a paradigm shift away from "classical" < 1267827603 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever heard of Autechre < 1267827612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwah, a bot-tweet: "About NetHack: slay, a long sword is not a number! i am. xander: let go of frodo, and of knowledge, including mit and stanford, and he..." Yes, a long sword and a number indeed have some crucial differences. < 1267827681 0 :dougx!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1267827682 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that fungot, or is there another twitterbot out there somewhere that fungot is having a conversation with? < 1267827739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was fungot. Or, well, the same babbling-algorithm, anyway; it's not exactly the same script that's doing the tweeting. < 1267827789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a twitter account called "theirctrout" had slapped fungot a bit with a large trout, for some reason; possibly because it mentioned the word IRC in there. < 1267827800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is the script written in befunge? < 1267827835 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twungot actually replies to all mentions of its name, so it said "@theirctrout should be called when the tracer tries to write moving code? hah. foxfire, throw is broken. c supports it however you want" as a reply. < 1267827835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autechre is basically the result of catting /dev/random to /dev/audio. < 1267827841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the later stuff, at least. < 1267827865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Autechre is basically the result of catting /dev/random to /dev/audio. <-- see, I said you preferred the weird music < 1267827867 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It does sound a little random, to me. < 1267827883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not (yet). I was tempted by the easiness of doing the Twitter API bits with a normal language. Maybe I'll Funge-98 it later. < 1267827893 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm promoting Penguin Cafe Orchestra, here. < 1267827906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what is that? < 1267827906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listening to a 30 second snippet sort of defeats the point of seeing all the motifs being randomly shuffled about. < 1267827914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you have to be crazy anyway. < 1267827950 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvbCV6E0Wro <-- you might like them, it's sort of modern chamber music. < 1267827967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, if that was the one you linked before? < 1267827969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes < 1267827972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it < 1267827974 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1267827980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hail. < 1267827986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, a bit too much hits of percussion though < 1267828037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one's weirder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZygIVDql8Bk < 1267828058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, well yeah. I don't really like that one < 1267828094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, also very weird video < 1267828121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yyyyyyyes. < 1267828131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but the music alone is weird < 1267828233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, anything good by them apart from the first one? < 1267828345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqpBs8q9iZQ is OK < 1267828365 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has an organ in it though (well, a harmonium) < 1267828399 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this one! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqBHWOzNBU8 < 1267828408 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One must be gay to not use "gay" as an insult? Hm. < 1267828435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, this one is pretty wtf (the movie): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQYnyvN6fA < 1267828456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the word "gay" in an entirely appropriate and non-pejorative manner makes me quite gay. < 1267828489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it also makes you quite ay. < 1267828491 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay. < 1267828503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm in love with Ruby's throw/catch < 1267828514 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never used it < 1267828516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nobody uses it. also it's different from begin/rescue for no reason < 1267828544 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that throw/catch would be used for non-exceptional flow < 1267828551 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And begin/rescue for dealing with errors < 1267828555 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know it even had throw/catch :/ < 1267828587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm in the middle of a loop asking for user input, I can see myself using it for when the user does a quit thing < 1267828587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqpBs8q9iZQ is OK <-- well, too much pop somehow < 1267828592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, maybe it is the clear beat < 1267828621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the type of music I prefer don't use percussion to mark the beat < 1267828637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nobody uses it < 1267828640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: "break" < 1267828658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose it's in a nested loop, and I want to directly leave the inner one, then < 1267828666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, leave both < 1267828737 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to Mendelssohn < 1267828764 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I love Ruby's Fibers < 1267828779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibers? < 1267828796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Kraus ftw. With proper chamber orchestra < 1267829096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:50:17 I wonder which language Swiss reduces to 'ch' in ... < 1267829099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin < 1267829103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confederico (sp) helvetica < 1267829107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no swiss language < 1267829109 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That was answered a long time ago :P < 1267829111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe an old one < 1267829113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :P < 1267829242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, this was one good recording of vivaldi's summer (last movement) btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u12_M4I2KxE&fmt=18 < 1267829304 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7F4z8FV6ME <-- my absolute favourite of Beethoven. < 1267829323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, queued! < 1267829350 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: likewise < 1267829389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the recording of vivaldi's summer that I prefer is different < 1267829393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the cd next to me < 1267829398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't even naxos < 1267829536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1267829570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, http://musicbrainz.org/release/d875de37-cb74-4c2b-8218-399cd64cfa4f.html < 1267829607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, this cd it seems http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=169771 < 1267829707 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267829728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, that is the best recording of the four seasons I have yet heard < 1267829740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, as for your Beethoven link. Meh < 1267829747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, nice bg music < 1267829761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not something I will remember 2 minutes after < 1267829777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoyance: There are two Ruby channels < 1267829786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, oh? are there? < 1267829796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to add one more then < 1267829799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only distinctions are the people in them and the name. And one is "official", but that doesn't make it more active < 1267829805 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ruby and #ruby-lang < 1267829821 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make #ruby-real < 1267829828 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :315 in #ruby 317 in #ruby-lang < 1267829835 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this is a rather violent rendition of "Summer" < 1267829928 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1267829958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, indeed! < 1267829964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but I love it < 1267829988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the one "best recording" is somewhere in between the normal tempo and that "violent" one < 1267829993 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to his "background" music < 1267830155 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/vg/zee5.ogg Background music! < 1267830156 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267830182 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1267830245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I agree that Kraus youtube video is somewhat pompous yes. I really should dcc you the flac I have of it locally! < 1267830247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1267830359 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never knows what to make of Gregor's compositions < 1267830373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I think I've heard that before < 1267830380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the one you were using to test that thing? < 1267830401 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah. < 1267830409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I love some of them < 1267830459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listen to this last one < 1267830473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, square wave?! < 1267830479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sawtooth. < 1267830487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, :(((((((((((((((( < 1267830500 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is supposed to be pseudo-retro-video-game music. < 1267830500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, sine wave is the only correct shape for music! < 1267830507 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor horns :P < 1267830508 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep seeing dancers in trenchcoats and fedoras on an elevated stage < 1267830520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, and yes okay in that capacity... < 1267830528 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1267830531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, but then it should be more beepy < 1267830536 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone linked somewhere.. osgeo.org < 1267830542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be the finger snaps < 1267830542 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hence "pseudo" < 1267830549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, all all of it should be such < 1267830603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's something I'm not necessarily opposed to! < 1267830605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try a different style and everybody just complains :P < 1267830611 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Sgeo also stands for Sacred Geometry] < 1267830618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout http://codu.org/music/vg/zee3.ogg < 1267830619 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wasn't complaining < 1267830635 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was hallucinating mildly, is all < 1267830639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1267830660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I just dislike non-sine :( < 1267830688 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sine wave is so DULL. < 1267830692 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No friggin' overtones. < 1267830694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I accept cos too! < 1267830714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : How 'bout http://codu.org/music/vg/zee3.ogg <-- nice < 1267830764 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May or may not be playable on a real accordion :P < 1267830782 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever the reason, Gregor's music makes me hallucinate < 1267830787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, heh < 1267830799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what do you see? < 1267830819 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1267830826 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A log cabin in the woods < 1267830835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about real instruments? they get overtones? < 1267830840 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why isn't op12 listed on codu.org/music? < 1267830847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uhhh, yes? < 1267830852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's not finished, that's a work in progress preview. < 1267830856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, and why can't you get that on sine? < 1267830867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The mathematical properties of sine waves. < 1267830880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, how do you know about Sine waves? < 1267830881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their perfection is their imperfection. < 1267830882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, Sine? < 1267830891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Stop being an idiot :P < 1267830892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so do something closer to real instruments then? < 1267830899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll go with ... a sawtooth wave. < 1267830901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I'm allowed to be silly < 1267830906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I know about sine too btw < 1267830921 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no reason this couldn't be played on a real accordion (not that I can play accordion) < 1267830928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, the issue is we can't detect when you are genuinely idiotic or when you are just silly < 1267830949 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often am I genuinely idiotic? :( < 1267830954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: There's the issue, I have no idea what the limits of a real accordion are :P < 1267830971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets the other zee*.ogg < 1267830984 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, the rest are less good than those two. < 1267830991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, too late < 1267830996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ooh I like zee1! < 1267831014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, but what is that "weird" instrument < 1267831021 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, it's basically a keyboard with a 2- to 3- octave range, I believe. The buttons add "pre-programmed" chords iirc. < 1267831021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ice rain", it's a synth effect. < 1267831025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1267831054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, low quality sound fount for zee1? < 1267831063 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes, but the pre-programmed chords available vary, to my knowledge, from instrument to instrument. They certainly include a fifth, major and minor thirds, sevenths and augmented sevenths, but beyond that, Idonno. < 1267831064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or meant to be that way? < 1267831090 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: For which instrument? I actually downgraded the piano intentionally, the accordion is good, the others were the best I could find. < 1267831103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, piano mainly < 1267831111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1267831117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the piano I downgraded because the others were OK-ish but not great, and the piano stood out too much ;P < 1267831123 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .. pacing of a bit of zee1 is a bit off-putting, but other than that, it's a bit nice < 1267831130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, all needs to be perfect piano level < 1267831133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, kind of < 1267831160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how is the pacing "off-putting" < 1267831169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is off-putting is that it ends in the middle of a tone < 1267831181 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: zee* loop < 1267831185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, it's been a hell of a long time since I've written any music. Most of my compositions are lost due to various forms of data loss. < 1267831188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, aha! < 1267831190 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just.. awkward, somehow < 1267831199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no it is not < 1267831210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is perfect except for needing higher quality samples < 1267831213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not pacing, but I keep getting the impression that bits are not aligned with other bits temporally, or something < 1267831218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, zee2 is interesting < 1267831235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what are the instruments in zee2? Does it include xylophone? < 1267831263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marimba. < 1267831271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is that something similar? < 1267831281 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half the things I wrote were saved in a proprietary format for a software package that doesn't even install properly on any windows since Windows 95. < 1267831285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, a marimba is basically identical to a xylophone except that it has resonators. < 1267831297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1267831299 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, the means by which it produces a tone is basically identical, the layout is a bit different. < 1267831335 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, marimba tends to be played with felt-covered mallets, iirc < 1267831353 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, so does xylo. < 1267831356 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking glock. < 1267831364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metal against metal < 1267831369 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very pretty. < 1267831370 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The marimba is to the xylophone as the vibraphone is to the glockenspiel. < 1267831393 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conversely, the marimba is to the vibraphone as the xylophone is to the glockenspiel. < 1267831422 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Percussion instrument homomorphisms < 1267831434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, zee4 is interesting < 1267831451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, zee2 was a bit nervous if you see what I mea < 1267831452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean* < 1267831460 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't a clue :P < 1267831462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, zee1 was best IMO < 1267831463 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you passed zee3. I take it that zee3 isn't particularly interesting? < 1267831473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, we went over that one first didn't we? < 1267831478 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1267831495 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ayy zee1 now I'm in Eastern Europe somewhere, possibly Prague < 1267831505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1267831509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't feel that < 1267831513 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone is trying to sell me a watch! < 1267831518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zee1 with better samples = total win < 1267831543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, zee4: Wait, why are we playing Perfect Dark in an n64 emulator? < 1267831546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1267831550 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1267831557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it makes me think of that game < 1267831570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, never played it? < 1267831572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1267831580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did its music too use a heartbeat as a percussive instrument? < 1267831586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, some levels have some music in the same style < 1267831589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no < 1267831595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other parts of it < 1267831601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was similar < 1267831626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, or it *MIGHT* have. I don't know < 1267831674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, asking in ruby why the channel exists is a Frequently Asked Question, considering how someone said "We need an FAQ" < 1267831688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so total ordering: zee1 (needs better samples) > zee4 > the rest < 1267831732 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, my favorites didn't even make the list :P < 1267831746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, not my fault :P < 1267831819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I think zee3 was at the bottom < 1267831823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zee5 just above it < 1267831827 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow X-D < 1267831830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that leaves zee2 in between < 1267831844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds it somewhat difficult to form opinions sometimes < 1267831852 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1267831876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, and zee2 felt towards the end like the performer had nervous reactions or something < 1267831900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I think it is the fast paced playing on Marimba that does it < 1267831912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, apart from that zee2 is quite nice < 1267831968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh and I don't really like accordion < 1267831975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahaha < 1267831980 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's accordion in zee1 :P < 1267831990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, not as noticable < 1267832004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not playing like an accordion. < 1267832011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In zee3 it's actually playing like an accordion. < 1267832013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that explains it! < 1267832132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, zee5 could raise a lot of you could get a nicer wave form but keep the electronic feel < 1267832153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, or maybe just fuzz out it or something < 1267832167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it didn't poke you in the ear basically < 1267832232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1267832364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zee5 > zee3 > zee1 > zee2 > zee4 < 1267832576 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1267832693 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I can't even get to the end of zee4. < 1267832706 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They took call/cc out of Ruby :( < 1267832734 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I thought someone told me here the other day they decided to put it back in < 1267832759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O? < 1267832760 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1267832770 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will be removing and re-adding it to every other version from now on. < 1267832854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I can't blame them, I waffle plenty on my own designs < 1267833061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call/cc, though. < 1267833186 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine the arguments that must go on about it, on their mailing list. < 1267833220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No one uses that!" "I do!" "It's hard to implement efficiently on the JVM!" "That shouldn't be a consideration!" etc < 1267833227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"call/cc is hard!" < 1267833234 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, yes. < 1267833236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LOL USE LISP" < 1267833239 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll call/cc your MOM hard!" < 1267833240 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuations make the baby jesus cry < 1267833253 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's quite ridiculous. < 1267833259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baby Jesus invented continuations. < 1267833280 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sorry, I missed quote marks on that one. < 1267833286 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was an actual quote, too < 1267833292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1267833314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuations are, like, the ultimate form of flow control. < 1267833333 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonymous feedback from a classmate from when I took a programming languages class a few years ago < 1267833365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You take classes in which they teach continuations? < 1267833368 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is jealous < 1267833425 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was nice of them. They *almost* managed to teach us monads in that cirriculum, too. < 1267833427 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Almost*.