< 1266105615 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise by the way have you seen Shin-Cheng Mus invertible programming language? < 1266105651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: yes but you can get close to swapping it < 1266105652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no < 1266105653 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh. well, thats not a bidirectional parser. ;p < 1266105661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: and your mom is a whore. :| < 1266105665 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net < 1266105671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MissPiggy: shut up oklopol GOD!!! I can't belive you sometimes" <<< what was this in reference to, your msgs come one pageful at a tim < 1266105672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1266105763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pansexuality? < 1266105776 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okpause it's re. 23:56 < oklopol> god things annoy me today, < 1266105805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okpause? < 1266105819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, nobody else finds oklopol annoying < 1266105840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Besides bidirectional polytypic examples, including invertible serialization, we give the definition of a monadic bi-arrow transformer, which we use to construct a bidirectional parser/pretty printer." < 1266105849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet many people here find me annoying < 1266105856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: link me so I can remind myself to read it if I fail horribly at this < 1266105859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.citeulike.org/user/voigt/article/342287 < 1266105872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really would like a nice Parsec-lite (I know it can't be as powerful by definition) bidi parser lib < 1266105875 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha! so its not a "bidirectional parser" its a bidrectional (parser/pretty-printer) < 1266105878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you may need some help to get behind the ACM wall < 1266105881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would make toy languages so much nicer < 1266105888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jehova's witnesses came today < 1266105890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear augur is useful for that < 1266105894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write one quick syntax definition and I get my pretty-printer free < 1266105897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, thanks < 1266105904 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;( < 1266105910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jehovah's Type Witnesses. < 1266105919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told them they had an interesting viewpoint and said i don't really have strong opinions about anything < 1266105919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disciples of Agda < 1266105920 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke alise < 1266105928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :important figures include the prophet Coq < 1266105930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: oh, right < 1266105937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: it's just that you're normally like that so I wasn't sure :D < 1266105941 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266105941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was another one of them jokes) < 1266105945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: HA < 1266105955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoulda taped it < 1266105973 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never talked to any jumping johosephats < 1266105995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence :: Syntax t b -> (b -> Syntax t a) -> Syntax t a < 1266106002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, looks like a monad slipped in < 1266106033 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/transfers/p86-alimarine.pdf < 1266106036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it was just the first google hit for bidirectional parsing haskell, anyhow < 1266106075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoulda taped what? < 1266106078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the witnesses? < 1266106083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i often talk to them < 1266106085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1266106088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i told them they had an interesting viewpoint and said i don't really have strong opinions about anything < 1266106089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comedy gold < 1266106105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266106128 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like my responsiveness? :) < 1266106173 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur what's that? < 1266106185 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link is the paper that oerjan is referring to < 1266106193 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from behind ACM access barriers < 1266106194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i'm afraid of being too frank with jehovas, i'm afraid something i say makes them understand they're completely wasting their life, which i find a horrible thought < 1266106197 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwors < 1266106217 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol you rare nice :) < 1266106224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always careful around people who i think are doing something wrong < 1266106230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: didn't even notice whoa < 1266106240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you should set up a website that automates that :P < 1266106241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get sued < 1266106248 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266106250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: dunno, i think i'm just a coward < 1266106251 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1266106259 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is more that i couldnt even make it work < 1266106266 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ACM search tool doesnt work right < 1266106272 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am hello < 1266106303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm afraid of convincing people about anything, because if i convinced them about something that's wrong, that would be just horrible < 1266106331 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't worry about convincing me of anything < 1266106334 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't mind < 1266106337 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact I like it < 1266106358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard me talk about stuff? i'm not very convincing. < 1266106369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1266106378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's just a reason for you not to be worried, not me < 1266106386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "If you take the life lie from an average man, you take away his happiness as well." < 1266106401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ibsen) < 1266106423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when my crazy thoughts are shared by less crazy people < 1266106434 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so crazy about ____________ < 1266106451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing really < 1266106453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the translation is a bit deceiving, the norwegian "med det samme" can mean "at once" as well as "as well" < 1266106515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the original is gender neutral) < 1266106531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, except from pronouns, which cannot be < 1266106628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the life lie" is awkward < 1266106637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the life's lie", maybe. < 1266106672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. the original is "livsløgnen", which i suspect was a word ibsen invented but which is immediately understandable < 1266106683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer life lie < 1266106683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it looks like a typoed life line < 1266106683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or maybe for some other reason < 1266106727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the -s- is just for word combining, although it _is_ etymologically a genitive ending) < 1266106741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah utilitarianism and knowledgeisawesomeism are kind of conflicting < 1266106744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which disturbs me < 1266106859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethics is too complicated < 1266106948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ibsen er trolig årsaken til at begrepet livsløgn er i allmenn bruk i de nordiske land, mens den engelske oversettelsen life lie riktignok blir brukt men i mindre omfang." < 1266106983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's used in the nordic countries, but not much in english (which is why i could only find it on norwegian wikipedia i presume < 1266106999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1266107017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also in german) < 1266107128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/articles/pages/3546/The-Life-Lie.html is in english < 1266107201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1266107267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I have an idea for making sure all the values are used in the resulting AST < 1266107282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it back as a Foo x instead of an x, where the value-constructing function takes Foo xs instead of xs < 1266107295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, you can keep track of the state of which values you've demanded < 1266107301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't just go yeah demand it >> ignore the result < 1266107305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't personally do it < 1266107330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that Foo a monad return or a comonadic coreturn... < 1266107415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait coreturn would be Foo a -> a < 1266107416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just < 1266107424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a = Foo a < 1266107427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the constructor is not exposed < 1266107434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so only the value-constructor can dereference them < 1266107442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it does, it'll mark that parse result as used < 1266107454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any unused results at the end, you are a very naughty boy < 1266107463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it cannot be unparsed without specifying a default value somewhere < 1266107465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like a monad then < 1266107489 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it feels like a monad and it quacks like a monad... < 1266107492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, you might not expose something for >>= or join either < 1266107506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1266107543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right if you had those you could do >> and ignore the result, so not allowed < 1266107600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this will be a lot easier if i define `type Bijection a b = (a->b, b->a) < 1266107615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that PP t a = Bijection [t] a < 1266107649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1266107652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe [t]) (Maybe a) < 1266107663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i could do with some fromJust there or sth < 1266107686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type UncertainBijection a b = (a->Maybe b, b->Maybe a) :P < 1266107698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it needs to be Maybe (a,[t]) anyway... < 1266107910 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UncertainBijection? < 1266107915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :P < 1266107938 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well you definitely don't have a bijection between text and syntax < 1266107952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaddap < 1266107954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is useful though < 1266107958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maptok :: Bijection t u -> SD t a -> SD u a < 1266107958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maptok (f,g) (p,u) = < 1266107958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (\xs -> maybe Nothing (\(a,xs') -> (a, f xs')) $ p (map g xs) < 1266107958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,\a -> maybe Nothing (\xs -> map f xs) (u a)) < 1266107959 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it is useful < 1266107980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that doesn't quite type yet :D < 1266108001 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266108083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maptok :: Bijection t u -> SD t a -> SD u a < 1266108083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maptok (f,g) (p,u) = < 1266108083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (\xs -> maybe Nothing (\(a,xs') -> Just (a, map f xs')) $ p (map g xs) < 1266108083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,\a -> maybe Nothing (\xs -> Just (map f xs)) (u a)) < 1266108084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1266108141 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :HPGrice < 1266108150 0 :HPGrice!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1266108793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1266108798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does that paper include an implementation? < 1266108845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck if i know, i only googled it < 1266108858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1266108861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and maybe vaguely recalled hearing about it) < 1266108888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, maybe search for the author home pages? < 1266108985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the article is on citeseerx, so the ACM wall wasn't necessary < 1266108987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think this would be - no you wouldn't < 1266109135 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://www.cs.ru.nl/A.vanWeelden/index.php?p=downloads < 1266109162 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266109175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"generic haskell" wow < 1266109177 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266109194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does have parser->dumper < 1266109206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but god knows it'd take four years to translate it to modern haskell < 1266109216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1266109239 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic haskell o_o < 1266109252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it has like {|x|y} and shit in arguments < 1266109263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's the predecessor to syb < 1266109274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it via generalised invertible arrows is a good idea though < 1266109278 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pukes
< 1266109283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i think it's that < 1266109431 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1266109471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Arrow arr => BiArrow arr where < 1266109472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (<->) :: (a -> b) -> (b -> a) -> arr a b < 1266109472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : inv :: arr a b -> arr b a < 1266109473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just what i did < 1266109474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1266109543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems there is nothing based on it in hackage, although Data.Bijection refers to it < 1266109600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Data.Partial < 1266109612 0 :lament!~lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266109635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/TypeCompose/0.6.7/doc/html/Data-Bijection.html < 1266109962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION compiles Pure
< 1266110070 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats Pure < 1266110092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/pure-lang/; Q's begetee < 1266110113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less obfuscatorarily, the successor to Q. < 1266110121 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1266110143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If LLVM isn't up-to-date enough on this old Ubuntu version I'll just use Q instead. < 1266110194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :de bruijn is sexy. < 1266110206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is indexes < 1266110279 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266110325 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lol < 1266110446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking < 1266110450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependently typed tree rewriting < 1266110454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1266110455 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;} < 1266110459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependently typed functional applicative < 1266110462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is the way forward < 1266110471 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is functional applicative? < 1266110482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your regular applicative, functional language < 1266110484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell, agda, etc < 1266110487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML < 1266110537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I will implement Lamping < 1266110537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 's algorithm < 1266110537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in haskell < 1266110540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought haskell sucked < 1266110554 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it does and I decided not to code this < 1266110582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is so bad about haskell? < 1266110598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from dependent types which you say are overrated and unicode which you dislike it's not that far from agda < 1266110600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy likes bugs. < 1266110601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266110605 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont like agda either < 1266110611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does agda suck though? < 1266110612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you dislike Unicode? < 1266110622 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said overuse is bad < 1266110623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e dislikes gratuitous unicode in languages < 1266110627 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bit is quite fine < 1266110634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :私はあなたをころしたい！ < 1266110642 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont' know Java :( < 1266110669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... < 1266110677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1266110691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Unicode in languages. < 1266110743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages e means < 1266110755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1266110757 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ambivalent towards it < 1266110761 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand I like the concept < 1266110765 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it's a bitch to type < 1266110812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm solving that problem by defining a not-entirely-pretty ASCII representation, and an all-out no-holds-barred TeX'd-up two-dimensional symbolerific presentation form. < 1266110824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good editor would let you type the former to write the latter. < 1266110828 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1266110831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically like Fortress does. < 1266110833 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:24 < MissPiggy> cizra what about prolog? < 1266110839 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:25 < cizra> MissPiggy: Haven't shown her that (= It's too hairy for my tastes < 1266110844 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:26 < cizra> MissPiggy: Might be.. But I don't know much Prolog, so it'd be perilous to teach it to a newb. < 1266110867 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ "I hate prolog it's $vauge-and-meaningless-negative-term" --> "I don't know anything about prolog" < 1266110872 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1266110886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't say I hate prolog < 1266110889 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266110911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said it's too hairy for his tastes, i.e. his personal �sthetic response to it is a negative one, expressed as "hairy". < 1266110923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he has bad taste, but that's an opinion too. :P < 1266110949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not much != nothing < 1266111088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jane@jane-desktop:~/pure/pure-0.42$ pure < 1266111088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1266111102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked in /usr/local >_< < 1266111113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ pure < 1266111113 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaahahahahahahaa < 1266111113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: pure: command not found < 1266111115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha WHAT < 1266111125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it removed itself < 1266111133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i didn't actually make install < 1266111133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266111138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but, WHAT) < 1266111147 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol it seppuku < 1266111153 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish GNU/Prolog would seppuku < 1266111154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was no pure(1) :-D < 1266111162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ghost went ohai then transcended < 1266111163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: why? < 1266111165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swi fan? :P < 1266111173 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I hate swi as well :(( < 1266111178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you like < 1266111181 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's the best prolog implementation in the world < 1266111200 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hate swi because they got right of "no.") < 1266111215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd've though swi would be the prolog for swine < 1266111225 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1266111247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1266111279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, right of "no."? < 1266111294 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I just found some awesome papers about lambda shared graph reduction < 1266111316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: what's "right of "no."?" supposed to mean? < 1266111324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-? < 1266111358 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: should have said 'rid of', when you do something in prolog and it fails it should print: no. -- but they changed it to print: false instead.. so they can claim the prolog query is a partial evaluation < 1266111363 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluator < 1266111396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: lol pure actually has features from aardappel < 1266111397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolang < 1266111399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and credits it with them < 1266111460 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://strlen.com/aardappel/ ? < 1266111489 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266112029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1266112040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the creator of Saurbrauten and FALSE < 1266112050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sauerbraten < 1266112424 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato! :D < 1266112540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pure is sexy < 1266112630 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266112661 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I fixed my OpenID service. (I just got a different library, and wrote the forms and stuff myself, using that library.) < 1266112701 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1266112908 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is currently a single-user service, but I could upgrade it to multi-user service, too. < 1266112925 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that would help you any :P < 1266113006 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course I don't need multi-user service, but I can program it as such in case anyone else wants a OpenID service on my server (you have to provide the Identity URL, Login Name, and Password MD5 Hash, and then I *might* consider it, but I will never support automated registration of accounts on my service) < 1266113127 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I can also add multi-user service just in case I might want multiple OpenID just by myself, even. < 1266113167 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the library I used, in case you are interested: http://openidenabled.com/php-openid/ < 1266113206 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the library that Hackiki uses as a consumer too :P < 1266113226 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, thanks. < 1266113236 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it can work! < 1266113275 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a few things missing in the documentation, though. < 1266113308 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as any useful documentation whatsoever :P < 1266113342 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I did eventually figure it out, and it isn't really that difficult. < 1266113470 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to log in on Hackiki and it works perfectly fine. < 1266113648 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackiki is a bit strange features, it even allows anyone to edit the way the wiki syntax works < 1266113688 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the primary feature :P < 1266113704 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know it is < 1266113827 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I end every line with a tongue-smiley :P < 1266113899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes my misuse of smileys gets out of hand. < 1266113932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alas. < 1266113937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hexosexual: Attracted to six. <-- last found counterexample < 1266113966 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird that both of those unrelated lines came at once :P < 1266114031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I segfaulted pure \o/ < 1266114043 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1266114057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 % 3; < 1266114057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: rule never reduced: a%1 = a; < 1266114057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: rule never reduced: a%1 = a; < 1266114057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: rule never reduced: a%b = a div d%(b div d) when d = gcd a b end; < 1266114057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: rule never reduced: gcd a 0 = a; < 1266114058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: rule never reduced: gcd a b = gcd b (a mod b); < 1266114060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: rule never reduced: gcd a 0 = a; < 1266114062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: rule never reduced: gcd a b = gcd b (a mod b); < 1266114064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1266114068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may not fully understand how to use this language < 1266114073 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol fault < 1266114082 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out it's just a crap implementation < 1266114084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faultblog.org < 1266114090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: it's just an immature impl < 1266114091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new lang < 1266114096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy technology < 1266114097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1266114164 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Does this still work?") < 1266114173 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this still work? < 1266114178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it's the % name < 1266114180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop works < 1266114190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> poop 3 3; < 1266114190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1266114190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> poop 73 9; < 1266114190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[hang] < 1266114211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid thing < 1266114312 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368162 < 1266114315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are you capable of reminding yourself? Tomorrow may be a mess for me < 1266114317 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space walk starting soon < 1266114321 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like video of space < 1266114344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok < 1266114394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: cool they're talking and stuff < 1266114403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing the earth swirl is whoa, never realised it was so... fast, i guess < 1266114407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1266114407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff < 1266114441 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1266114465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find space terrifying :/ < 1266114477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the sheer emptiness, just the sheer... sheerness < 1266114488 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you mean < 1266114567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poop a 1 = a; < 1266114568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poop a b = Poop (a div d) (b div d) when d = gcd a b end; < 1266114571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem here is when d = 1 < 1266114578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes into an infinite loop < 1266114581 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space man is out!!!!!! < 1266114587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg /me unpause < 1266114587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1266114593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKIN LOAD < 1266114595 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just wormed out :D < 1266114598 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's hiding lol < 1266114606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266114609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :camofuckinflauge < 1266114619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa i thought this place was bigger than that < 1266114621 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in space everything is wapped in future < 1266114623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, giant man < 1266114625 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1266114627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is stuck to the lid < 1266114639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure this is not a robot < 1266114639 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just trolling < 1266114640 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore him < 1266114653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wapped in future? < 1266114654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1266114656 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly robot.. the way he moves etc < 1266114662 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a person inside it < 1266114674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE WAS ARTIFICIAL... < 1266114676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT HE HAD... < 1266114677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A HUMAN SOUL < 1266114681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPACEWALKER < 1266114682 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1266114683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In cinemas this summer < 1266114746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is he doing with that thing he is holding < 1266114753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sort of admiring it? < 1266114854 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god there's two of them < 1266114860 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!! what if they breed !!!! < 1266114906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was actually my first thought < 1266114910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've no idea why < 1266114912 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::))) < 1266115031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: tree rewriting 'pinyun from you so I can blame or not blame Pure < 1266115033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poop a b = Poop (a div d) (b div d) when d = gcd a b end; < 1266115038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if d = 1, this reduces to Poop a b < 1266115048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should this be an infinite loop, or should the equality of the reduction halt evaluation? < 1266115057 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should halt! < 1266115068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. that was my expectation too. but, < 1266115072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you write an infinite loop? < 1266115092 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop = do nothing `then` loop < 1266115104 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : = do nothing `then` do nothing `then` loop < 1266115111 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like a monad ? < 1266115117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just seq < 1266115124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seq is semantically nonsense in a pure language < 1266115128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again < 1266115142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that causes heap overflow if you run it long enough < 1266115238 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1266115357 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seeing this first person space cam? < 1266115370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, seq has some semantic meaning in a pure language. Just exceptionally useless meaning. < 1266115384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined as follows: _ `seq` b = b < 1266115387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266115433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: i stopped watching :/ < 1266115441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well also _|_ `seq` b = _|_ < 1266115445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _|_ is nonsense! < 1266115451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Heheheh. < 1266115462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could pattern-match on _|_ you'd define < 1266115467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_|_ `seq` _ = _|_ < 1266115469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ `seq` b = b < 1266115480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but turing shat on that party before we even thought of it < 1266115491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned halting problem. < 1266115496 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't like space!!!!! < 1266115501 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are an enemy of space < 1266115656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pattern match on _|_, but only if the result is _|_ < 1266115667 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: When you use medit (the meta-editor), it always creates a file that uses the .wiki wiki engine, which puts its own HTML template around the page. It has a hidden chebang line. Use edit, change the chebang line to any other language (e.g. bash), and you can control the whole page. < 1266115700 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, didn't see the latest edits. < 1266115719 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In that case, use /bin/bash and do something like cat < < 1266115772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is (! _) `seq` x = x a legal definition of seq in haskell... < 1266115815 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, thanks. But still: Why doesn't #!/bin/grep -v ^#! works? It works on the MinGW command-line if the command is entered manually on the MinGW command-line. < 1266115830 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Then mingw doesn't handle chebang lines properly. < 1266115835 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1266115839 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the command is entered manually. < 1266115855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: chebang lines don't support multiple arguments. Everything after the command is taken as one argument, potentially with spaces. < 1266115856 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MinGW creates the same error if you try to execute the file. < 1266115870 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that's why. < 1266115974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's shebang. < 1266115986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait ! patterns are an extension < 1266115989 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Is there really a correct spelling of a word that's nonsense? :P < 1266115991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, definitely shebang. < 1266115999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's not nonsense. < 1266116006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chebang is an archaic spelling of shebang, i.e. stuff and lots and everything and whatnot, but shebang as jargon is spelled with an s. < 1266116006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's a contraction of "hash-bang". < 1266116013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where hash is # and bang is ! < 1266116027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because it lets you say "I accidentally the whole shebang" < 1266116038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chez-le-bang < 1266116052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Quay? I thought it was just the onomatopoeia, like che-BANG! < 1266116055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it overlaps with "stuff" and such is... I'm not sure what. < 1266116104 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still use chebang, so fleh you :P < 1266116154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shebangsexual, i.e. she bangs the shebang. < 1266116163 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1266116164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*she bangs shebangs < 1266116170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why did I do it the worse way first?) < 1266116172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She bangs the whole chebang < 1266116388 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise they are flying into a sunset < 1266116420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they breeding < 1266116432 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet lol < 1266116444 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just putting up a tent or something < 1266116444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the space went off < 1266116446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am bored now < 1266116506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? I created a file and now when I try to edit it, it is blank. But other than that, the file still works. < 1266116559 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1266116573 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in space still... < 1266116580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Should probably move this convo to #hackiki :P < 1266116592 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1266116678 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266116770 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he really had to leave here to go there :P < 1266116796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually he might, didn't his personal irc client only allow 1 channel per server? < 1266117316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. Actually, wasn't it similar to my RawIRC? That is, he could be on multiple channels, but since he's just getting raw messages, it'd be confusing. < 1266117474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like that, yes < 1266117639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is rather... Odd. < 1266117656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1266117713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't say. < 1266117912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _someone_ has to help the rest of us feel almost normal < 1266118104 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1266118457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266118478 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.249.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266118789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pure-lang.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/pure/lib/quasiquote.pure quasiquoting in Pure, with syntax, implemented inside the language < 1266118977 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266119076 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1266119344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: yeah that's what you get with flexible ops + term rewriting + a simpler quoting operation (in this case, ' = quote) < 1266119380 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise ummm question is.. < 1266119396 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you still have a curry-howard interpretation with dependent term rewriting? < 1266119410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the lambda calculus is a term rewriting system < 1266119427 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no like this crazy stuff < 1266119431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terms are close enough to functions with slightly odd behaviour that i'm sure you could formulate a very similar isomorphism < 1266119443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: well this crazy stuff is just because pure has quote :P < 1266119447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because < 1266119447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def quasiquote x = qq (quote x); < 1266119448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a macro < 1266119456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quasiquote 2+2 -> qq (quote 2+2) < 1266119468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually just an ast processor, more or less. < 1266119519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: btw term languages solve the expression problem < 1266119544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :untyped languages like Pure do it by letting you extend terms, and having sugar for "typed" things < 1266119553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since terms are untyped you can extend them at will < 1266119569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so there's no _obligation_ to defined all the terms in the table for the new row < 1266119573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it almost solves it < 1266119583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing in my typed one, basically < 1266119714 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loll how does it solve expression problem < 1266119718 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way < 1266119721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can extend functions basically < 1266119724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost same thing < 1266119729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with values of different types) < 1266119733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for args) < 1266119736 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does expression problem demand that the compiler tells you if there's a cell in the matrix missing? < 1266119746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the missing piece < 1266119750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it breaks safety < 1266119758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you pass it to some code going oh it's a table i know all this will go just fine < 1266119759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRR < 1266119761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEFINED FUNCTION < 1266119762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEP BEEP BEEP < 1266119766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO I DO WHAT DO I *DO* < 1266119794 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIVIDE BY CUCUMBER < 1266119810 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1266119815 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to solve this in lisp :P < 1266119827 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt any language is better than lisp for the expression problem < 1266119837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from one that's built for it... < 1266119917 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that's ture < 1266119919 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true* < 1266119952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really wish programming language manuals were written better < 1266119984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why programmers tend to be bad writers; good English style is the same procedure as good programming style, just plugging in another set of idioms. < 1266119987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, they're usually written by programmers :P < 1266119988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can organise programs, why not prose? < 1266119994 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I should practice wrting < 1266120003 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because prose requires eloquence < 1266120013 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'd say it's more a matter of perspective. < 1266120034 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merely stringing together a complete and accurate description of a language is what we call an International Standard < 1266120046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Does it, though? Eloquence seems, to me, to be a rather less wishy-washy and emotional thing as everyone says it is: the creators of elegant programming languages should be able to write elegant text about it, because it's the same thing. < 1266120063 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hardly the same thing! < 1266120068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, standards are not manuals. Standards can be eloquent too, but it matters much less, as they should be as formal as possible. < 1266120107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In programs, we organise definitions in a certain way, split definitions up in a certain way, name variables in a certain way, order our functions' arguments in a certain way, and generally use our discretion to make the program read easier. < 1266120144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In prose, we organise text in a certain way, split text up in a certain way, (ok, that one isn't applicable), order our text in a certain way, and generally use our discretion to make the text read easier. < 1266120146 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of that applies to great prose < 1266120156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not asking for great prose, just good writing. < 1266120160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There /is/ a difference. < 1266120167 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good prose, even < 1266120179 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prose constructed by formula can be horrible < 1266120185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly, a manual is not the domain of prose; but why is it not the domain of good writing? < 1266120193 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a manual is absolutely in the domain of prose < 1266120199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: And we don't write idiomatic code by formula, either. < 1266120214 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we do! < 1266120228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But code is basically prose. < 1266120232 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly < 1266120233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just in a different language. < 1266120238 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prose has a very specific definition < 1266120247 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what that is, but it's specific < 1266120253 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know programming is not it < 1266120268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you say, I certainly think I write prose, text, whatever you wish to call whatever subset we are talking about, with the same idiomatic organisation as I do code. < 1266120273 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good prose and good programming in fact require the opposite sets of skills < 1266120305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good prose generally needs a formulated overall concept, while the individual portions are filled in by the creativity and ability of the writer < 1266120338 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good programming needs a creative and abled programmer to set up the concept, at which point the individual portions could be completed by any semi-competent programmer < 1266120375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; units of code call libraries, they don't "fill them in". < 1266120383 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean like that < 1266120395 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interface design is the tricky part of programming < 1266120399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, whatever; I can write good code and prose, so nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah, I clearly should write the greatest manual for the greatest language. :P < 1266120402 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good interface leads itself to be coded easily < 1266120421 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In prose, the opposite is true < 1266120436 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I can too! < 1266120448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use more semicolons than you. < 1266120454 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1266120474 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disagree; grep the logs. < 1266120475 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1266120532 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I don't do GUIs, does that mean I'm a bad programmer? < 1266120550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: interface design what it means fail you < 1266120556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, I wrote a huge line and it disappeared and no control-z < 1266120558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes it again
< 1266120582 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It means you're a sane programmer < 1266120591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: he thought you meant 'interface design' = gui design < 1266120595 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266120606 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, your previous sentence makes sense now < 1266120647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refined my semicolon usage by, paradoxically, ceasing to use it altogether; it was popping itself in to places where it was awkward, and I felt I was using it far too much, so I decided to abstain from it in the hopes that it would improve my writing. It crept back in, however, and with not much less frequency; but now it appeared in the right places, places that had seemed awkward in its absence. < 1266120688 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should have been an em dash < 1266120696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1266120701 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the semicolon < 1266120707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were two in that sentence. < 1266120715 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first sentence < 1266120721 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second also, actually < 1266120746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to avoid the em-dash, anyway; it's a very heavy piece of punctuation, and since I tend to write sentences whose clauses interlink, I postulate that it makes a sentence harder to read most of the time--for me, at least. < 1266120751 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second is certainly not an appropriate use of the semicolon; the two statements it separates should, on their own, be valid sentences. < 1266120762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that was two hyphens; I haven't got any nice Compose setup here. < 1266120773 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use a single hyphen < 1266120777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ah, I criticised ais523 for that once; he gave me a sound thrashing. < 1266120792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semicolons do not have to be able to be replaced by a full stop. < 1266120809 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the most part, they should < 1266120813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He presented irrefutable proof which has slipped out of my mind. < 1266120838 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other uses of the semicolon which are valid (for instance, in lists) < 1266120849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, a semicolon followed by "and" is quite often a useful construct, though a prescriptivist would argue that starting a sentence with "And" is abhorrent. The same goes for "but". < 1266120860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I am referring to sentences. < 1266120871 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't agree it should necessarily be replaceable by a full stop, but it needs to separate full clauses < 1266120922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my usage was correct. I might change it, if you show that it wasn't, as long as it isn't prescriptivist mumblings. < 1266120930 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, I think I'd punctuate that sentence as follows < 1266120932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, then, you'll have to show it's wrong as in confusing or awkward. < 1266120941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or incredibly uncommon. < 1266120942 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It crept back in, however, and with not much less frequency; but now it appeared in the right places -- places that had seemed awkward in its absence." < 1266120975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I believe that the first time I wrote that sentence, "frequency; but" was how it went. < 1266121001 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1266121011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I think that em-dashes should only be used when the link between the two sides is weak, and the right side is heavy. < 1266121030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, of course, to serve as an alternative to parentheses for not-quite parenthical remarks. < 1266121036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parenthetical < 1266121042 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, I think the em dash is appropriate because you repeat the noun < 1266121130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. I'd argue that a reader, rather than someone obviously looking to critique (can IRC facilitate *anything* that isn't competitive? :) ), wouldn't find it awkward. < 1266121146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that *is* awkward: smilies before a right parenthesis. < 1266121156 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1266121158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that abomination, I think ":))" will now be my preferred option. < 1266121171 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I usually go that route < 1266121249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/541/ < 1266121256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I have the urge to substitute the �/� ligatures wherever those two letters appear. < 1266121264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure if that's correct, but the urge nevertheless appears. < 1266121332 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's correct in most cases where they appear adjacent < 1266121354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and to endow words like "pre�mptive" with a di�resis. < 1266121374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Interesting fact: onomatop�ia is not actually onomatop�ic.) < 1266121389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dutch uses the same mark in a similar way, (for example co�ffici�nt), but for compound words there is now a preference for hyphenation - so zee�end (seaduck) is now spelled zee-eend.[3] < 1266121400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is zee�end for you, my sea-duck-loving friend. < 1266121432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats alise -----###
< 1266121444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What was that wonderful free verse you wrote about free verse? < 1266121463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ended "The problem with free verse, it seems, to me / is that it's just an excuse for ? to write prose and call it poetry.", I believe. < 1266121521 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free verse is just a way to write prose with the structure being a piece of the text < 1266121533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a joke, you see. < 1266121553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was RHYMING free verse! < 1266121554 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Can't find it :( < 1266121567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Grep logs for "call it poetry"? < 1266121574 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm trying. < 1266121585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a really boring holy war: Single or double quotes for main quotations? < 1266121609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say double; single quotes are just too thin and light for that purpose. I prefer nesting alternately. True Britons will go for single quotes, though. < 1266121609 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266121646 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 'rakefile' a joke? < 1266121655 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the rubyists are making fun of engrish? < 1266121688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, rake = Ruby mAKE. < 1266121704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was Lakefile, perhaps you'd have a point. :P < 1266121741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Also: �uh, I had better think of some typographical choice to put towards you. < 1266121743 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lakefire < 1266121750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can haiku be prose? Is this a useful concept? Is it just nonsense? < 1266121793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh yes! &c. for etc.: great thing, or greatest thing? < 1266121847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makefile, not wall < 1266121874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You know, I never said /not speaking/ was an option. :P < 1266121925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: he's an american. they seem to think remaining silent is some kind of _right_ < 1266121935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's Canadian, actually... < 1266121944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266121967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was reading his server location as his real one < 1266121991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ping him a lot. coppro, that is. < 1266122024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i thought lindbohm was only for ipv6, but i seem to be on it < 1266122051 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I can't found it, but I did find this: Of course, that isn't fair. Formula for rap: Take two notes, repeat 600 times while making racist and sexist remarks that rhyme. Formula for pop: Take two CHORDS, repeat 600 times while (sort of) SINGING sexist remarks that rhyme. < 1266122078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can'tfound it! < 1266122086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confound? Can'tfound? Laugh? Oh well. < 1266122093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you search for only lines by you? < 1266122096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you were on a different nick. < 1266122105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, good point. < 1266122105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1266122117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't found it in that I can't create it, like founding a city, y'know? :P < 1266122118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just search for "call it poetry". < 1266122127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT < 1266122131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just search for "call it p�try". < 1266122137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that valid, coppro? Is it? Is it?!?!?!?!/1 < 1266122150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't is it < 1266122160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's o-e < 1266122187 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free verse is better than rhyming, \ For there's no need to worry of timing, \ The problem you see, \ With free verse, to me, \ Is that it's just an excuse for lazy people to write prose and call it poetry. < 1266122201 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joke was that the last line was not the right number of syllables :P < 1266122205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1266122237 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you were right, that was the thing to grep for >_> < 1266122272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to "hot bukkake norse fish mario sonic william howard taft". < 1266122278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was using the term "blank verse" instead of "free verse" there, but was grepping for "free verse" >_< ) < 1266122302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, free verse is the term you used in the poem, so it should have found it. < 1266122314 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I used the term blank verse in the poem. < 1266122320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just rewrote it as free verse here :P < 1266122326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay. < 1266122348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blank verse ≠ free verse, however. < 1266122365 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 'snot, but they both happen to fit the theme. < 1266122372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blank verse has meter, though, so free verse is probably better to use. < 1266122384 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah < 1266122391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a young lady called Jenny \ Whose limericks weren't worth a penny \ They started out sound \ But somehow she found \ That whenever she tried to write any \ She always wrote one line too many. < 1266122402 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ha < 1266122421 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's so hilariously awkward to read. < 1266122429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1266122436 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266122437 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm expecting it to be a limerick. < 1266122438 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it isn't. < 1266122457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1266122472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an old man \ From Peru, whose lim'ricks all \ Look'd like haiku. He < 1266122472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said with a laugh "I \ Cut them in half, the pay is \ Much better for two." < 1266122514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Outstanding. < 1266122527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a [person] from [place] \ Whose [body part] was [special case]. \ When [event] would occur, \ It would cause [him or her] \ To violate [law of time/space]. < 1266122529 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, alise, I was watching those sporty things < 1266122531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A woman in liquor production \ Owns a still of exquisite construction. \ The alcohol boils \ Through magnetic coils. \ She says that it's "proof by induction." < 1266122547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A UNIX saleslady, Lenore, \ Enjoys work, but she likes the beach more. \ She found a good way \ To combine work and play: \ She sells C shells by the seashore. < 1266122548 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that site < 1266122555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, you know, every other limerick in the top 150. < 1266122559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://limerickdb.com/?top150) < 1266122600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a small juicy orange, \ ...fuck. < 1266122613 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1266122690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was an X from place B, \ That satisfied predicate P, \ He or she did thing A, \ In an adjective way, \ Resulting in circumstance C. < 1266122711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Anyway, answer all the questions I queued up for you. :P < 1266122723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro: Oh yes! &c. for etc.: great thing, or greatest thing? < 1266122724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Just search for "call it p�try". < 1266122724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Is that valid, coppro? Is it? Is it?!?!?!?!/1 < 1266122724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> it isn't is it < 1266122724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> because it's o-e < 1266122730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only two, actually. :P < 1266122744 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Weird how well "adjective" can sound like an adjective ... < 1266122750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah. < 1266122767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He walked pronoun to the front door. < 1266122784 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not a fan of &c., and poëtry! < 1266122785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes," said Proper Noun, "I'll see you after dinner." < 1266122815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Indeed, &c. appears most strange until you realise that if you pick the right typeface and set it in italics, you see what looks like Etc. (but with a curly E). < 1266122826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks beautiful, but why? Because the ampersand used to be a ligature for "et". < 1266122870 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1266122942 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do s/pronoun/adverb/ < 1266122986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD POETRY #4 < 1266122987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pre�mptive po�try tries to avoid \ a bad course of action, to make null and void \ such an undesirable path it is, we see \ the future that follows it is misery. < 1266122991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS WAS < 1266122993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD POETRY < 1266122995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with alise < 1266122997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE TOPIC WAS < 1266123006 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MORE BAD POETRY" < 1266123007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad poems purely for the sake of using two diathingies in two words juxtaposed. < 1266123020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Oops. Of course, I meant adverb. < 1266123032 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh freddled gruntbuggly? Thy micturations are to me \ As plurdled gabbleblotchis on a lurgid bee. < 1266123037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1266123043 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronoun can work, as in "he walked me" or "he walked her" < 1266123063 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There's more where that came from < 1266123126 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I killed her < 1266123267 0 :rocketman!~blah@amcant.demon.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1266123268 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1266123268 0 :rocketman!~blah@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1266123335 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will have to complain to Wikipedia that there's a lethal weapon on their page
< 1266123343 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are yoy kids talking about < 1266123349 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you* < 1266123386 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION awnts to install fortress
< 1266123430 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs MissPiggy's fortress
< 1266123432 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;o ;o ;o < 1266123437 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266123467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://imgur.com/7jvO1.png Two fancy ampersands; I prefer the latter. < 1266123470 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy, there's not much to actually install < 1266123485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both look like "etc.", though. < 1266123486 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, I really like the latter < 1266123492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: He mens the programming language. < 1266123496 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1266123499 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a good font, &c. is not abhorrent < 1266123502 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Spam, spam egg spam and spam. < 1266123512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: URW Palladio L. < 1266123525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oblique, of course. < 1266123534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no. < 1266123535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italic. < 1266123539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always mix those two up. < 1266123574 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who he < 1266123593 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's good to see that you've recovered < 1266123601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who recovered from what? < 1266123601 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: use google < 1266123608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what do you mean, who he? < 1266123608 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=And+what+do+you+mean%2C+who+he < 1266123621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and when did rocketman appear out of nowhere? < 1266123621 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: try google. < 1266123628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tset? < 1266123628 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: GIYF!! < 1266123642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x? < 1266123642 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: never heard of google? < 1266123647 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: remind me are you cis- or trans-girl? < 1266123647 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: try google. < 1266123649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: say "x?" < 1266123653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, never mind < 1266123656 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rocketman: what < 1266123661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rocketman is logged in as fax < 1266123662 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1266123663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently a bot < 1266123663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a? < 1266123664 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: use google < 1266123664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a? < 1266123664 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: use google < 1266123664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a? < 1266123664 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ < 1266123664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a? < 1266123664 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=a < 1266123665 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you recovered from the poetry < 1266123666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a? < 1266123666 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: use google < 1266123669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ah. < 1266123689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: Yeah, I really like the latter < 1266123690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : In a good font, &c. is not abhorrent < 1266123694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really like = not abhorrent! < 1266123706 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right! < 1266123748 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368162 - space < 1266123757 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you bothered to read the logs, I thought I'd killed you < 1266123762 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy! :| < 1266123765 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1266123768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No logs, I was there, just missed the sentence. < 1266123771 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266123773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just typing out the ampersandy things. :P < 1266123777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats MissPiggy for joining an annoybot -----###
< 1266123780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: turn off that bot, thanks. < 1266123782 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer my question. :| < 1266123789 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to be HELPFUL < 1266123799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice; turn it off. < 1266123820 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1266123824 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone actually have ops here? < 1266123824 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: never heard of google? < 1266123825 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just learn to love it < 1266123829 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1266123839 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: :| < 1266123841 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how to make it leave without making it leave all channels < 1266123842 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be useful in, say, #math < 1266123853 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::))) < 1266123853 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266123855 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point < 1266123856 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in #esoteric. You should be smart enough to work that out < 1266123876 0 :rocketman!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266123879 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1266123884 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro you are right :O < 1266123887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: fizzie is semi-active and has ops; lament has ops. < 1266123897 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1266123899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Aardappel still has ops or something. < 1266123911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they never use their op powers, unless someone just said that they never use them. < 1266123925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like the anarchy here, we're alright at self-organising. < 1266123930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish alright didn't flag up as a spelling error. < 1266123955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright is all ways a spelling error < 1266123962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1266123984 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well im upset that you guys didn't like my bot < 1266123988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english, the language of consistent inconsistency < 1266124001 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to follow the footsteps of wolfram|alpha < 1266124003 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in IRC form < 1266124028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: people don't like bots that intrude on their usual conversations. is that a problem to understand? < 1266124036 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266124046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WHAT < 1266124074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WHOM < 1266124078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WHAT < 1266124100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WHOSOEVER < 1266124100 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an experiment < 1266124106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WHAT < 1266124107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: WHAT < 1266124112 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should have made it oly reply occasionally < 1266124116 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then people wouldn't notice it was a bot < 1266124116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: WHAT < 1266124118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: WHAT < 1266124123 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1266124129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: WHAT < 1266124139 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266124143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: WHAT < 1266124145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Gregor already did that yesterday < 1266124150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was Gregor < 1266124152 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?? < 1266124153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJWHAT < 1266124156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJWHAT < 1266124157 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a google helpful bot? < 1266124159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MISWHAT < 1266124198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just a markov bot, except it sometimes replied without being addressed < 1266124238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALISWAT -----### < 1266124239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: was it a except it then people wouldn't experiment < 1266124253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar fail? < 1266124314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: also, hackego is already google helpful < 1266124323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's been done before, you see < 1266124327 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1266124331 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego: ? < 1266124332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING < 1266124349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google snugglebunnies < 1266124355 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazon.com: Snuggle Bunnies (0697123000408): LC Falken, Lisa McCue: Books. ... The illustrations in the Snuggle Bunnies book are so cute and adorable! ... \ www.amazon.com > ... > [13]Children's Books > [14]Animals > [15]Rabbits - [16]Cached - [17]Similar < 1266124357 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the same :P < 1266124360 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine just accosts people < 1266124409 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I not cooking or eating right now? < 1266124411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll accost your mother." < 1266124419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: kitchen is that way -> < 1266124421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: woman < 1266124460 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is obviously some strange usage of the word "helpful" that I hadn't previously been aware of. < 1266124465 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266124481 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ZwnmJgC-g&feature=dir < 1266124486 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squee < 1266124520 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hes straight. LAME < 1266124530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur is so predictable < 1266124545 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266124553 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well look at him! < 1266124555 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes adorable! < 1266124578 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/user/charlieissocoollike < 1266124580 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at him. < 1266124581 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so adorable. < 1266124585 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'snot adorable :| < 1266124604 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes it's not somehow, someone in here
< 1266124605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortress is so cool < 1266124613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me wanna sex it. in a platonic way < 1266124640 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: its not someone in here. and he TOTALLY is adorable < 1266124644 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes also british < 1266124648 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore doubly adorable < 1266124658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1266124672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://projectfortress.sun.com/ < 1266124686 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun.com still exists/ < 1266124689 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1266124697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, sun.com just redirects to oracle.com < 1266124710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: glorious LaTeX-typeset two-dimensional mathematical notation syntax with ASCII equivalent, everything's redefinable more or less, implicit paralellism (!), transactions, decent type-system < 1266124721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed for high-performance numerical computing, like fortran < 1266124726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fancy and CS too < 1266124752 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god look at him < 1266124754 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes so adorable < 1266124757 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to go eat
< 1266124759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i'm british too < 1266124761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266124761 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur you are wrong lol < 1266124768 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liar < 1266124772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And nicely typeset. < 1266124778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I am that < 1266124787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1266124806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is highly unusual... < 1266124826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the first time in memory, I've actually *needed* to stop studying. < 1266124829 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did somebody ask for ... < 1266124842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1266124843 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION taps his foot, waiting for his bot to log in.
< 1266124843 0 :virtuLORD!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266124844 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when he had done this, and had anointed him king over israel two years continued in their hearts of the person of the covenant, that i may go up, but the virgins that follow him. Of the sons of elnaim, and jethma a moabite, eliel, and obed, and jasiel of masobia. < 1266124850 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "no longer felt like", not "realise that further study won't help", but "absolutely must *stop*". < 1266124856 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1266124865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I'm megalagged. < 1266124873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: ping < 1266124873 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He exhorts to charity, humility and all thy soul. < 1266124878 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266124896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: Aye. < 1266124899 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: For with certain new and unheard of devices he hath spoken of by the river's brink. < 1266124901 0 :Gregor!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266124915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: MegaHAL? You certainly punctuate well, except from proper nouns. < 1266124915 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Except the lord had commanded him, he put in my hand: unless i bring an inheritance to his proper ability: and immediately he came to najoth, in ramatha. < 1266124929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: Sexual intercourse < 1266124931 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And the chaldeans that fight against the south, to the twelve tribes, serving night and day, for he is defiled shall eat the fruit of a wise man hateth not the stroke of their heresies. Others have explained these locusts, and of the lord said: thou shalt not pass over thee, till thou know not to death. And the king of egypt, and upon the altar. < 1266124946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOU SHALT NOT PASS OVER THEE, TILL THOU KNOW NOT TO DEATH < 1266124961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: doom! < 1266124962 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The statutes of amri, etc. . .The foregoing verse, to ver. 91, Was not healed by him and give him joy. < 1266124980 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got i cant watch this kid < 1266124982 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its depressing < 1266124986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: Transubstantiation. < 1266124987 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Son of man, what shall i make thy enemies for they are not to them that are round about it: and he was well favoured, and of idaias; thou shalt bury my body: which plainly implies transubstantiation. < 1266124988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought virtuLORD tried to use the words you gave it
< 1266124994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266124995 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur o_O he's not even attractive < 1266125000 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It /tries/ < 1266125002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes ADORABLE < 1266125002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I didn't know that word was actually in the Bible. < 1266125002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thou shalt bury my body: which plainly implies transubstantiation." xD < 1266125011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that's from another christian source < 1266125012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait this must mean that the bible does not _contain_ the word "doom" < 1266125016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which plainly implies transubstantiation" < 1266125021 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur you don't listen to reason!! < 1266125028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can this be? < 1266125029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aren't you christians meant to know things about the bible :P < 1266125030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've sworn the entire doctrine was a Catholic invention. < 1266125036 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMING FROM A GIRL THATS QUITE AMUSING < 1266125036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: catholic < 1266125036 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sion. . .The catholic church; which shall flourish for ever. The unjust shall be no rejoicing nor shouting in the covenant of the lamb. And he broke and distributed to every one from his evil ways. < 1266125047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bible itself said it. Catholic church = awesome! < 1266125049 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol you did not < 1266125049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is a Christian? < 1266125055 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIND YOU, THERE'S A COMMA IN THERE < 1266125056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266125070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is Christian, no? < 1266125078 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NOT A GERMAN STYLE COMMA < 1266125081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rather unusual one, but si. < 1266125092 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is indeed a christian < 1266125092 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: And elias said again to achis king of israel, for a remembrance of a christian. < 1266125102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats unusual about him is that he believes HE is jesus. < 1266125116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: *Hah*. < 1266125121 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD has a few things that aren't actually in the bible because the version I snagged from project Gutenberg had some commentary I was unwilling to filter. < 1266125122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that was my high school nickname... < 1266125126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the beard and long hair do it) < 1266125133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well does christianity + singularity at the same time < 1266125134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That explains it. < 1266125135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty impressive < 1266125142 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise huh? < 1266125142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most religion most people can forge out of singularitarianism is pantheism < 1266125145 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus didnt have long hair, in all likelihood. < 1266125159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pikhq said something about the singularity having the spiritual essence of jesus or something < 1266125166 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: or the belief that god is an AI < 1266125166 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eww, wait, pikhq is religious? We'll have to deal with that at some poitn. < 1266125167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Uh, not I. < 1266125168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point < 1266125173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it was like that but in less silly terms iirc < 1266125176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think the singularity is pretty awesome. < 1266125179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know right! < 1266125188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Vaguely. < 1266125192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so you want to live forever and then die and go to heaven which is awesome? < 1266125193 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does god and AI have to do with anything < 1266125198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the 0 at the end of the recurring 9s < 1266125201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hahahah. < 1266125207 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: well since god IS an AI, everything! < 1266125209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: smite! < 1266125209 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Neither shalt thou smite it. < 1266125215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww :( < 1266125215 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can jesus be singularity < 1266125215 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: We are all heathens! < 1266125217 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Who made the whole work of the heathens. < 1266125219 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so confusing guys < 1266125224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, that is the Lord's province. < 1266125230 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266125234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(smiting) < 1266125239 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: well dont worry your pretty little head < 1266125242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: well just as the LORD, he is ... dammit < 1266125245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. < 1266125247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ask < 1266125261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats muphry -----###
< 1266125266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: The popular image of Jesus has a beard, brown, long hair, and blue eyes. And is Caucasian. < 1266125277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, the popular image of Jesus is me. < 1266125278 0 :virtuchuck!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266125279 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aliens do indeed exist. They just know better than to visit a planet that chuck norris invented black. In fact he invented the entire spectrum of visible light. Except pink. Tom cruise invented pink. < 1266125286 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: POPULAR IMAGES ARE IRRELEVANT < 1266125291 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1266125294 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JESUS WAS A JEW < 1266125295 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: NO < 1266125295 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Chuck norris uses a night light. Not because chuck norris destroyed the periodic table, because chuck norris 20 minutes to watch 60 minutes. < 1266125300 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OY GEVALT < 1266125303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: WELL AWARE. < 1266125304 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266125305 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: NO < 1266125305 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Chuck norris played russian roulette with a protein shake made from carnation instant breakfast, one dozen eggs, pure colombian cocaine, and rattlesnake venom. He injects it directly into his neck with a protein shake made from carnation instant breakfast, one dozen eggs, pure colombian cocaine, and rattlesnake venom. He injects it directly into his neck with a protein shake made from carnation instant breakfast, one dozen eggs, < 1266125306 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d rattlesnake venom. He injects it directly into his neck with a pillow under his gun. < 1266125315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: AND THAT'S YIDDISH. DIDN'T EXIST THEN. < 1266125327 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He injects it directly into his neck with a pillow under his gun." < 1266125330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O-Chul could kick Chuck Norris's ass < 1266125339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Totally. < 1266125340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, I actually said a word like that here, o.O < 1266125345 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1266125349 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so funy < 1266125355 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHAT, YOU THINK DONT KNOW THIS? WHAT A SCHMUCK < 1266125357 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the protein shake < 1266125364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still laughing < 1266125364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1266125376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: YOUR GERMANIC LANGUAGE DOES NOT AMUSE ME. < 1266125390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go make food now < 1266125392 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O GAIN < 1266125396 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1266125398 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fine. < 1266125402 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you're an OOTS fan? < 1266125402 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo are you going to make a protein shake? < 1266125408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1266125413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats an oots < 1266125420 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, http://www.giantitp.com < 1266125420 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about jesus and singularity please < 1266125422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Order of the Stick < 1266125428 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object Oriented Type System < 1266125429 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266125435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D&D + stick figures = OOTS. < 1266125436 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Gian-Tit-P? < 1266125451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giant in the playground. < 1266125453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you're not the first to make that joke. < 1266125464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gian-tit-p x): returns t if x is a gian tit, or nil otherwise. < 1266125467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Well, Jesus is claimed by some to be awesome. The singulary is considered awesome by most who know of it. < 1266125468 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe you made it before < 1266125476 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what singularity is awesome?? < 1266125481 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was like a danger < 1266125483 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'MUTHA < 1266125488 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DANGER DANGER < 1266125489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: no :P < 1266125490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIGH VOLTAGE < 1266125492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's freaking technology improving itself. < 1266125493 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEN WE KISS < 1266125495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's not to like? < 1266125496 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEN WE TOUCH < 1266125502 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we don't do friendly AI right.. < 1266125503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an Unfriendly Singularity will be fatal to everything in existence < 1266125507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, the second coming or something. :P < 1266125511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Friendly Singularity is pretty much the best thing we could do < 1266125513 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiling the universe with paper clips !!! < 1266125515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technical terms) < 1266125520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: that's what happens if it's Unfriendl. < 1266125522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Unfriendly < 1266125531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read this: http://www.singinst.org/upload/CFAI/ if you have the patience. < 1266125533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God knows I haven't. < 1266125534 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully microsoft doesnt invent the first superhuman AI < 1266125536 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise have you read the foobars? < 1266125540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unfriendly singularity is apocalypse. A friendly singularity is utopia. < 1266125540 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prim intellect < 1266125542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neutral == Unfriendly < 1266125550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet, but fiction is not a guite to reality. < 1266125553 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: neutral == switzerland < 1266125555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: But honestly, read this: http://www.singinst.org/upload/CFAI/ < 1266125555 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :onuapfndoafph < 1266125562 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore switzerland == unfriendly?! < 1266125569 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise yeah I am about 1/5th through < 1266125572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? < 1266125572 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Chuck norris were cloned, then it would be possible for a chuck norris only recognizes the element of surprise. < 1266125574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Prime Intellect had three-laws singularity. < 1266125577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: what, that quickly? < 1266125581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah i guessed < 1266125585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 laws or weaker system < 1266125587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, plus two extra laws IIRC < 1266125589 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I started quite a few months ago... < 1266125592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: right < 1266125596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh, right. < 1266125597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appended onto the first < 1266125616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One was "Do not interpret mind-states to understand them". What was the other? < 1266125616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0th law was hardcoded, and the inventor made his will supercede that of most people, IIRC. < 1266125620 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that still quick? < 1266125624 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to read too quickly < 1266125632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. 0th law and "Do not interpret mind-states". < 1266125655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that to avoid mindreading or something? < 1266125658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0th law? I know what that means Asimov-wise, but I don't recall it in PI < 1266125669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was in it. < 1266125672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1266125676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1266125679 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1266125680 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not allow it to modify peoples thoughts < 1266125680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should pull it up again
< 1266125684 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going back to listening to a lecture < 1266125687 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entitled < 1266125694 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why its difficult for robots to learn word meanings < 1266125702 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur is that free online? < 1266125705 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266125709 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link please ? < 1266125731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5:35; bed soon. < 1266125733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kuro5hin.org/prime-intellect/ < 1266125776 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ""Force Association: Altering the position, composition, or any other characteristic of a human being without its permission shall be a violation of the First Law of severity two." < 1266125855 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: not sure i can find it actually < 1266125856 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a second < 1266125863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. It was just additional details on the three laws. < 1266125863 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur okay never mind then < 1266125871 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha i think i found it < 1266125881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait doesn't it metamorphosise the entire universe? < 1266125886 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an attempted third appendium to the first law that failed < 1266125889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that counts as changing the composition of a human being < 1266125896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stop spoling, thanks < 1266125897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spoiling < 1266125900 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1266125905 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise how come you already know :| < 1266125920 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/arizona-public.1477002748.01832962525.2097811649?i=2125659579 < 1266125920 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: 3 Laws or weaker system. < 1266125925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the wikipedia summary, forgot most of it < 1266125926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: XD < 1266125926 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Aliens do indeed exist. They just know better than to visit a planet that chuck norris in scrabble, you win. Forever. < 1266125939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are you going to read Fine Structure? < 1266125953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That just changed the nature of matter. ;) < 1266125966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: maybe someday. < 1266125968 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266126005 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like yudkowski he writes well < 1266126021 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three Worlds Collide? < 1266126041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yudkowsky < 1266126047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CFAI too probably < 1266126049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It also asked for human opinion on the matter. < 1266126086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Yudkowsky would give up his own life for the singularity. < 1266126121 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: good? good. < 1266126144 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur thanks hun :) < 1266126165 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1266126228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would give up his own life if it were returned to him via having the state of his brain stored beforehand
< 1266126272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your brain is never resumed, then that is the same as dying. < 1266126277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is, then you did not die. < 1266126288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean give up your life as in die, no return. < 1266126298 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardcore mode < 1266126302 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: the problem that this guy is approaching is quite deep, in some sense < 1266126306 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verges on AI < 1266126309 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, really is AI < 1266126346 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't even sure that he'd give up his life to save human lives, tbh
< 1266126376 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably incredibly difficult to actually characterize lexical semantics at all < 1266126389 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring what aspects seem to actually be non-lexical < 1266126539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I don't care about having a physical body or brain, just a mind. < 1266126585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'd consider an uploaded mind as good as what I have if it could emulate a universe just as precise, detailed and good as this one, and better if it could emulate something with more of those qualities; vastly better if it can do that to my own configuration. < 1266126602 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a mind?? < 1266126636 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are minds real? < 1266126643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would love to live in the world of PI
< 1266126655 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo sicko :P < 1266126662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: the brain is a physical computer that runs a single program, the mind. < 1266126671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind, consciousness; call it what you will. < 1266126677 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i think the brain runs lots of little programs < 1266126682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mind is what is important. The brain is just squidgy. < 1266126684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: They're subprograms. < 1266126687 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an unkernel. < 1266126688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the point, though. < 1266126689 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise I don't really beleive that stuff < 1266126690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy, any singularity without some of those social elements must mean that there are needly moral codes enforced < 1266126692 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MIND IS A SOCIETY < 1266126696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: You don't believe you are conscious? < 1266126700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, are you not experiencing anything? < 1266126703 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1266126706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an entirely scientific hypothesis. < 1266126714 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for Raven's party < 1266126717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: you are wrong, because p-zombies do not exist and I find it incredibly likely you are intelligent < 1266126734 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise I read about the zombies and I agree with that < 1266126745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are sentient, conscious, etc. < 1266126756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is undeniably some experience that we experience; what it "is" we do not know but it exists. < 1266126760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we have simulated neurons on computers. < 1266126763 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: there are no such things as zombies, nor could there be. < 1266126769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a mind whose brain is a silicon chip. < 1266126773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same mind, different brain. < 1266126780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mind is important, the brain isn't. < 1266126821 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't make sense if you took my 'program' and wrote it into a computer .. the computer would experience things o_o, so does taht mean everything is concious already < 1266126840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, YOU would experience things < 1266126846 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: no, it only means that SOME things are conscious < 1266126852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consciousness is the byproduct of thought < 1266126852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need the right program < 1266126864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer running your mind would be executing thought < 1266126872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus causing a we-don't-know-what-it-is experience called consciousness that is yours < 1266126876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be running you. < 1266126901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: maybe everything does emit the byproduct of consciousness, but with thoughts on the level of the identity function < 1266126909 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I am conscious because I experience things < 1266126910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we honestly have no idea what it is, after all, but we know that it exists < 1266126911 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266126932 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, stop arguing with MissPiggy. this is pointless < 1266126939 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets talk about more awesome things < 1266126946 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like graph transduction < 1266126950 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1266126953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy appears to be dismissing "you are conscious" by leaving conscious undefined and saying that everything that consciousness is isn't < 1266126954 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot augur < 1266126960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus leaving consciousness as a null concept < 1266126973 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I know what it means < 1266126987 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a null concept < 1266127077 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how would you react if a copy of you went into the singularity/computer system/whatever, then 5min later, you were destroyed? < 1266127090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reject the idea of a copy < 1266127100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you made an atom-perfect copy of my brain. < 1266127115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The laws of physics tells us that atoms do not have innate identity; two identical atoms in different places are exactly the same. < 1266127126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, there is no way for my two brains to result in two different consciousnesses. < 1266127136 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the laws of physics tell us nothing of the sort. < 1266127140 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't follow alise < 1266127145 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur shut up you're arguing against me < 1266127149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: perhaps I mis-stated it < 1266127163 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur you can't just start agreeing like that < 1266127165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is 6am in the morning < 1266127169 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then a simulation of those atoms < 1266127170 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best we can say is that if this is true, its irrelevant, since part of identity is location. < 1266127174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've heard this argument used convincingly elsewhere by people who know their shit about ai < 1266127180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well, right < 1266127182 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those people are stupid. < 1266127192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: so do you think consciousness is separated by being in a different place? < 1266127194 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise do you think of a two level approach one is just physical stuff and the other is souls and spirits and stuff which control the body?? < 1266127200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a strange detail for a brain to care about, it's just a computer < 1266127203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, go to sleep so you can wake up inn a timely fashion so you can get nice pictures taken < 1266127206 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what < 1266127206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: fuck no, monism < 1266127210 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the normal view of conciousness, and it's the one I am against < 1266127216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: there is no soul there is no spirit world < 1266127218 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but then there's divergence as separate sensory data comes in < 1266127222 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't beleive in that stuff < 1266127230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consciousness is just what happens when something thinks, consciousness IS sufficiently intelligent thought < 1266127231 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other consciousness would also be you. infact, "you" would cease to mean anything without referring to which alise we meant < 1266127238 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they would not be the same consciousness < 1266127242 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think there's some infintesimal point in your brain that is the mind that experiences stuff < 1266127244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are, we are, literally experiencing our thought directly, because our consciousness is the method by which our thoughts happen; it is our thoughts < 1266127260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: so you think that teleporting me to a different location would kill me and leave a copy in my place? < 1266127262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly disagree < 1266127265 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: ofcourse there isnt, but its irrelevant. < 1266127271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the brain cells I had ten years ago are dead now, I'm still me < 1266127276 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur how is it? That is what alise was saying a moment ago no? < 1266127284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our brains try very hard to make us experience continuous consciousness for whatever reason < 1266127286 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: doesnt matter that you disagree. its wrong. demonstrably so. < 1266127293 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused, I thought you guys were telling me I was wrong now you seem to be saying the same kind of thing < 1266127296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i'm waiting for the demonstration or proof < 1266127309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: we are using different, more accurate terminology than you < 1266127320 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont have to destroy the original version of you to do it. now you've got two alises, experiencing entirely different things. < 1266127325 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I would like to have better terms too < 1266127345 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but I dont' really read a lot of this stuff because it's mostly paranormal/spiritualism < 1266127365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Singularity != Spiritualism < 1266127370 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless treated by idiots < 1266127371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't deny that we are conscious by saying that consciousness is a spiritual concept < 1266127376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monism and consciousness are compatible < 1266127378 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not to say that theres a deep philosophical difference if the teleportation were talking about is quantum in nature. < 1266127395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, imagine a machine implanted in your brain < 1266127399 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie entanglement sorts of stuff. < 1266127409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every now and then, it makes a perfect computer replica of one neuron in your brain, and replaces that neuron with the computer replica < 1266127418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks to how some quacks claim that talk of "observation" proves something spiritual and significant
< 1266127419 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are you talking to me? < 1266127421 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to MissPiggy? < 1266127422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266127425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing one neuron in your brain doesn't make you not you any more, correct, augur? < 1266127428 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise this is straight out of lesswrong -_- < 1266127433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: yes it is because it's true < 1266127436 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well stop, theres no point in going down that road. i already agree with you on that point. < 1266127439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a good argument which is why it sticks in my mind < 1266127439 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1266127444 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were teling me it < 1266127445 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1266127447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: so you believe that uploading without the cessation of consciousness is possible < 1266127454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse it is. < 1266127463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we have no disagreement over anything important. < 1266127465 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the teleportation thing that is at issue, since these are not identical. < 1266127490 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, where do you get more precicse terms regarding this from?? < 1266127496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if my computer mind is then uploaded to a computer, and they switch my computer mind off and run the same algorithm on another computer < 1266127503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: uh, you could try wikipedia? < 1266127512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: still me? if not, justify that. < 1266127517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same algorithm on the same data, same results < 1266127518 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia is complete bullshit < 1266127522 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably not < 1266127531 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: all of them would be you. they'd be different "alise"s form different periods. and they would ofcourse diverge. < 1266127533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: well that's nice, you're an idiot < 1266127548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If not you, then it's close enough so as to make no practical difference. < 1266127552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: no no, they shut down my computer brain, snapshot its state, and run the same algorithm on it on another computer < 1266127554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's transfer < 1266127556 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to invite people to his Relto
< 1266127559 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but if you learned this stuff from wiki then no wonder you don't have any of your own thoughts on it < 1266127562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way that can be _different_ < 1266127571 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266127571 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well sure, but same thing < 1266127573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: i didn't < 1266127584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: i was suggesting it to you. and you can stop being an asshole, or I will stop directing messages to you. < 1266127591 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok theres no other alise to diff from, but thats irrelevant. < 1266127603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: so you believe that if that copying happens, I will die? < 1266127608 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1266127609 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the one calling me an idiot < 1266127611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I could reductio ad absurdum this, but I won't bother < 1266127620 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's rich that you are saying I'm the one being an asshole < 1266127629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: blanketing all of wikipedia as complete bullshit is an idiotic statement, simple as < 1266127629 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that the consciousness over there is not the consciousness over here, if there is such a thing as consciousness < 1266127635 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats pretty irrelevant. < 1266127640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: then what of my continuous experience? < 1266127646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that continue, what is your position on that? < 1266127651 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuity is an illusion that your brain plays on itself < 1266127675 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new-computer version will experience continuity < 1266127688 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a sudden change in where it perceives itself to be < 1266127691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it really comes down to "What the hell is consciousness" at this point. And it appears to be bordering on semantic games. < 1266127701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I'm referring to my subjective *continuous* experience though < 1266127710 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consciousness is subjective experience or awareness or wakefulness or the executive control system of the mind.[1] It is an umbrella term that may refer to a variety of mental phenomena.[2] Although humans realize what everyday experiences are, consciousness refuses to be defined -- Useless < 1266127714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you said says nothing about my continuous experience, only its continuous experience - assuming them to be separate < 1266127725 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1266127739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, all I care about is that my continuous conscious experience continues; and I believe that uploading, copying, teleportation and all the rest achieve this < 1266127754 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it's not continuous though < 1266127761 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1266127766 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, i think the problem is not with your continuous conscious experience < 1266127769 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are gaps (you just don't normally see them) < 1266127775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: of course < 1266127779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the experience is continuous < 1266127785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't see them i don't experience them < 1266127786 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the problem is that the word "you" has built into it an assumption about the nature of personhood that isnt correct < 1266127790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus my experience is continuous < 1266127792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: agreed < 1266127830 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, look I am not trying to derail this with being an asshole or anything but you said you have much more precise termiology than me and I just wanted to know why -- WIkipedia is not precise on these issues so I don't undersatnd why you would recommend it to me -- it's almost like a helpful google bot < 1266127831 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine we dont turn off your server, and instead take a snapshot and then boot it on another server < 1266127840 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that there are two instances of the Alise image running < 1266127852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously its all in smalltalk, because smalltalk is inherently suited for this sort of thing) < 1266127859 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of them is you? < 1266127875 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they certainly wont be experiencing the same things < 1266127900 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of unified consciousness in multiple bodies (ignoring the possibility of actually doing this with wifi or whatever) < 1266127913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wont magically get robotelepathy in this fashion < 1266127924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1266127925 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both are you, arguably. just not the same consciousness. < 1266127941 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you are not replying that means I am no longer an idiot? < 1266127942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the mean-time, I will continue life as ordinary. that does exactly what I want as far as my continuous experience goes until I die < 1266127944 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre forks of the Alise mind < 1266127948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have a lot of years until then < 1266127949 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one perhaps a trunk < 1266127954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: I was just reading something else < 1266127966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I was just dismissing the question because I'm tired < 1266127972 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what question? < 1266127974 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sure, except the physical you will be different than the roboyou's < 1266127976 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't a question :| < 1266127979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: where to find terms < 1266127981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I really must sleep, if I want to continue my conscious experience I must not die < 1266127986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sleeping for too long is dangerous to my health < 1266127989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :health risks can lead to death < 1266127990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1266127991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep < 1266127993 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you next week alise < 1266127995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1266127998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunday exists, sir < 1266127998 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if the physical you was copied at the moment of death, it would still be a different version of you < 1266128000 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one Alise died < 1266128003 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it's saturday! < 1266128004 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another lived < 1266128005 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1266128007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's sunday it's 6am < 1266128007 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise oh right, so you DISMISS ME by linking to wikipedia, then I say "this is bulshit' because it IS, and then you go off on how I am an idiot ??? < 1266128015 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's saturday here < 1266128017 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the passport coming btw < 1266128020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: ok, remind me not to talk to you when tired < 1266128022 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise for fucks sake.. you should have just told me you don't have a reference < 1266128028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no progress so far. photos on sunday prolly < 1266128035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: you do realise that people don't think properly when tired? < 1266128041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, feel free to raise a shitstorm, I'll be sleeping < 1266128046 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah okay I'm sorry I got angry about it < 1266128052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for dismissing you < 1266128060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy families! now really, sleep -> < 1266128061 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I just felt a bit upset when you said I was an idiot because I was trying really hard not to be < 1266128072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. just hard to do two convos at once while sleepy :P < 1266128076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I said -> that means i'm gone < 1266128077 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay nn < 1266128080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is physically impossible to ping me! < 1266128170 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could PROVE that nobody is conscious < 1266128205 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: no. all you'd prove is that your definition of consciousness is wrong. < 1266128238 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, what if I started with the right definition? < 1266128271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you started with the right definition, you would only prove that unconscious people are not conscious. < 1266128294 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are very sure :) < 1266128305 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to produce a VERY good proof... < 1266128307 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats because consciousness is whatever it is that people are doing :) < 1266128329 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a slug conscious? < 1266128330 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to prove that people just ARENT, to prove that people arent CONSCIOUS. < 1266128336 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows. < 1266128354 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think little insects are basically automatons < 1266128360 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just wiggle and so on < 1266128376 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are automatons too. theyre just big ones. < 1266128381 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesnt mean they're not conscious :) < 1266128383 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly < 1266128385 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ? < 1266128388 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means you dont know what consciousness is! < 1266128389 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought it does < 1266128396 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know what it is :( < 1266128402 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not :) < 1266128417 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can sum up my views on this matter: i agree with dennett. < 1266128421 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I try to prove that consciousness doesn't exist, that means that *I* am one of the only people in the world who doesn't have it? < 1266128433 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give me dennett to read? < 1266128442 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about him < 1266128476 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266128477 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a second < 1266128646 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wetQwH9nY < 1266128666 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch all three parts < 1266128670 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't I just say outrageous stuff like "wikipedia is bullshit" by the way? < 1266128684 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks augur < 1266128685 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can < 1266128688 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people can say stuff back < 1266128720 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they get mad < 1266128725 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no good < 1266128781 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough shit :P < 1266128783 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people get mad < 1266128785 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big deal. < 1266128795 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this were #antiwiki people would be happy. < 1266128795 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try harder not to be so extravagant then < 1266128809 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a real chan :( < 1266128864 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is 14 < 1266128867 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this were a real chan < 1266128871 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd be asking for nudes. < 1266128938 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antiwiki is not a real chan :P < 1266128951 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1266128961 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooooopfadpfad < 1266128966 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sore tummy < 1266128988 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're pregnant. < 1266129075 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I might be a skeptic but I just don't want to admit it < 1266129168 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said 'cogito ergo sum' is wrong!! < 1266129189 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is < 1266129193 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1266129199 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thuoght it was true < 1266129206 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'mutha < 1266129211 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1266129418 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :si! abbiamo un anima! ma è fatta di tanti piccoli robot! < 1266129419 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266129437 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fucking ridiculous augur!!!!!!!!! < 1266129450 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything he is saying is what I agree with and was saying earlier < 1266129451 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1266129465 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266129482 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come all you guys are disagreeing with me but actually think the same thing < 1266129522 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you dont know how to think about these things! < 1266129551 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S how do you mean? < 1266129584 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you MEAN what do i mean! < 1266129603 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said I don't know how to think about these things, so what do I need to learn < 1266129684 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bites augur
< 1266129688 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1266129689 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that < 1266129916 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well? < 1266129993 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1266130000 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huff < 1266130002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think about thinking < 1266130007 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think about thinking about thinking < 1266130011 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not a metametathinker! < 1266130058 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266130067 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1266130076 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, I still think metameta- = meta- < 1266130082 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone here said it's not < 1266130175 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decidedly not true. < 1266130185 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acn you hepl me understand why < 1266130188 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1266130200 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta-thinking is arguably what philosophers of thought do, right? < 1266130209 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, philosophers of mind < 1266130215 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they think about thought, and what minds are like < 1266130217 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1266130229 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesnt mean that they think about how to think about minds < 1266130244 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to step in with an analogy, but will let augur finish
< 1266130245 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie they dont NECESSARILY say, "how should i approach this task" < 1266130264 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might just conjecture about the nature of mind, without even asking how to approach it < 1266130276 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta-meta-thinking is then thinking about how to think about how we think < 1266130293 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, meta-meta-meta-thinking is thinking about how to go about thinking about how to think about how we think < 1266130300 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's silly :P < 1266130304 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps! < 1266130306 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its true < 1266130308 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my turn! < 1266130317 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about thinking is not thinking about thinking about thinking. < 1266130318 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1266130322 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: GO GO GO < 1266130396 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In most programming language, manipulating types would probably be one level of meta-, because normally one manipulates objects in the course of programming. Hence, in a language with types you can manipulate, types are metaobjects. If types themselves have types (metatypes?), and those could be manipulated, they would be metametaobjects < 1266130409 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like multiple integration, except more conceptually < 1266130440 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metaprogramming = programming < 1266130458 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But once removed from the normal level < 1266130474 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, metathinking is thinking; it's just that it's about thinking < 1266130510 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) and \int F(x) dx are both functions, but they are not the same < 1266130514 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/F/f/ < 1266130543 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metaprogramming is programming yes < 1266130557 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its programming programs that make programs < 1266130559 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence its meta < 1266130571 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta-X is a kind of X that does X < 1266130574 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what meta means < 1266130591 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I will do anything (almost) for a new router. < 1266130843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bevin! < 1266130852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bespin! < 1266130924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. "Bevin" is not as Googlable as I had hoped < 1266131131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google bevin < 1266131140 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ernest Bevin (9 March 1881 14 April 1951) was a British Labour politician, best known for his time as Minister of Labour in the war-time coalition ... \ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Bevin - [13]Cached - [14]Similar < 1266131243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it he was responsible for the "sweat" part of those blood, sweat and tears < 1266131374 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google Bevin Uru < 1266131375 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jump to [13]Bevin: bevin In the centre of the Plaza is a fountain. Turn about and climb up to the balcony overlooking the inland sea. ... \ [14]Preparing the Way - [15]Relto - [16]Bevin - [17]Ferry Terminal < 1266131469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea what Sgeo is trying to find
< 1266131657 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1266131694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bevin == Neighborhood < 1266131723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, perhaps not < 1266131747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google Bevin Neighborhood < 1266131748 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aug 8, 2007 ... I am not sure I believe that, but it does suggest we should not call all neighborhoods "Bevin". I must admit, I had fallen into the Bevin/neighborhood ... \ forums.drcsite.org/viewtopic.php?t=2018 - [13]Cached < 1266131761 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bevin does not mean neighborhood." < 1266131798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language? < 1266131843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'ni < 1266131860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, that might actually be a race < 1266131869 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if there's a particular name for the language < 1266131876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so that google hit was actually relevant... < 1266131935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/D'ni < 1266132198 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is rish years old
< 1266132312 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266132313 0 :augur_!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266132576 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fucking internet < 1266132582 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is so goddamned slpw right now < 1266132584 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know why :( < 1266132608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should be preparing to go to sleep right now
< 1266132618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_: microwave sloths < 1266132632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're crawling inside the wires < 1266132713 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :io0p-;[']u7ijk98uiolp;['] < 1266132714 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\9890-]\ < 1266132716 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"?90-=]iolp[;' < 1266132722 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1266132727 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no its not microwave issues < 1266132732 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connectivity is fine < 1266132945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horribly Tasteless Wikipedia humor: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=220529437#Features < 1266132968 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1266132992 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hahaha < 1266133014 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266133018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1266133040 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1266133047 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr/A-Z/a-z/ < 1266133149 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one needs a new section: "Performance", with a "No" under FAT and NTFS :P < 1266133163 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266133187 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1266133218 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest99794 < 1266133235 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is wrong when your VM performs faster than your native applications < 1266133243 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing the same stuff < 1266133249 0 :Guest99794!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur_ < 1266133330 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1266133435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I put an image on imgur, will other people see it? < 1266133586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes not
< 1266133956 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who runs .exes on webservers? < 1266134277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor runs arbitrary binaries on his wiki. < 1266134382 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows binaries? < 1266134399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1266134400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1266134425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if Hackiki supports Mono, I guess his wiki could end up using .exes < 1266134441 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now knows what it's like for someone to excessively IM him
< 1266134448 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be an excessive IMer < 1266134559 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: doit < 1266134574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha? < 1266134593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto fr en doit < 1266134595 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must < 1266134660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, whayouwametodo, unlessyoumeanmust,inwhichcasewhatsthemustfor? < 1266134675 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do it < 1266134680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dowhat? < 1266134692 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put Mono on Hackiki Prime < 1266134697 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahlol < 1266134705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nanowneesleep < 1266134747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't even sure how to go about doing such a thing
< 1266134752 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1266134753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enlispelingetsworsanwors < 1266134758 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the entire Mono framework on Hackiki < 1266134762 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a .exe on it < 1266134764 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun! < 1266134826 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I shot Hackiki? < 1266135112 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight < 1266136125 0 :augur_!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266137445 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: 2 hour UPS expired. Shutting down laptop. < 1266138106 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266138237 0 :MigoMipo!~MigoMipo@84-217-5-122.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266139280 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1266139305 0 :augur_!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266140279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1266140730 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1266141707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: okay the ;'s are gone, my number one error is using , instead of it :D < 1266141738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the thing doesn't fail well yet) < 1266143075 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1266143975 0 :Pthing!~pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266145704 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1266147653 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1266147768 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1266147928 0 :tcsavage!~tomcsavag@host86-133-195-53.range86-133.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266149039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266149437 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1266149725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: doing ski now, i wrote the thing in thue in the time it's taken me to differentiate between different sorts of inputs :D < 1266150109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i just killed hundreds of children < 1266150206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how fucking fast do fruit flies reproduce? < 1266150276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been vacuuming their whole visible population about 3 times a day for like 3 days now, and the only noticeable difference really is that there are now more kids than adults < 1266150314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the vacuum cleaner kills them because i've never seen anyone get outta there < 1266150424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once left it next to the computer for hours just to see if someone comes out < 1266150469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why it would kill them though, they are very hard to kill with impact, and i assume that's the only thing the vacuum cleaner does to them < 1266150501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to kill by squashing ofc < 1266151296 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266151488 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1266151942 0 :tcsavage_!~tomcsavag@host86-133-195-53.range86-133.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266152074 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1266152088 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1266152112 0 :augur_!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266152121 0 :tcsavage!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1266153251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise is 14 < 1266153252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if this were a real chan < 1266153252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : we'd be asking for nudes. < 1266153252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266153348 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm 14 < 1266153541 0 :tcsavage_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266153793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm even older than that < 1266154253 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wareya.naken.net/?mode=comic < 1266154319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: i wish to kill you < 1266154332 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why' < 1266154340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wareya.naken.net/?mode=comic < 1266154345 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266154350 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1266154353 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make that < 1266154357 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just feel really sorry for the guy < 1266154394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure he isn't trolling you < 1266154400 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266154402 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've met him < 1266154421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I humbly suggest euthanasia. < 1266154428 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1266154441 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew him off the internet and saw him posting under that account < 1266154453 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's really autistic < 1266154455 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1266154460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much is obvious < 1266154467 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1266154482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38's autistic too, but he's just crazy, not ... dunno how to put it, hopelessly naive? :P < 1266154495 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1266154499 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1266154517 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my school considered testing me for aspergers but decided it was easier to say I had an emotional disorder < 1266154523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm often surprised by the na�vety of other people... < 1266154543 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1266154546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266154551 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that naivety was something that like < 1266154553 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone had < 1266154553 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1266154557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1266154564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I see it a lot in other people < 1266154582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: lol I've experienced my own bullshit with aspergers (as you probably know; god knows everyone in this channel does) < 1266154584 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I'm naive to new ideas that aren't directly logic related < 1266154593 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266154604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, this hell totally is haha :P < 1266154605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I mean na�ve as in real-world situations < 1266154612 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266154626 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm dead for most shit in real life < 1266154659 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1266154666 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I start coding an interpreter for Boat? < 1266154720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's imperative, so naturally I'd use Haskell < 1266154721 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of time lately (vacation) and I'd hte to waste it playing half-life etc. < 1266154729 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1266154735 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know is C, GML and Python < 1266154737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't wasted if you enjoyed it < 1266154738 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GML is out the window < 1266154743 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1266154743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, learn haskell < 1266154747 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like, never sad < 1266154758 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my childhood was so sad haha < 1266154763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you experience fun playing half-life otherwise you wouldn't want to do it < 1266154773 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also get fun out of programming < 1266154774 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1266154787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like anyone will use the interp though :P < 1266154792 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1266154800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway don't do it in C, Python isn't a good language but at least you don't have to manage memory. < 1266154809 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love managing memory < 1266154823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you love busywork, not real programming work < 1266154826 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and python is only bad in the syntax and how it handles low level objects < 1266154834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's bad all the way through < 1266154835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1266154835 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I meant the real basic stuff < 1266154841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have multiple bracketing statements, write a parser of course < 1266154844 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@memory management < 1266154850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have infix operations, how do they associate? < 1266154852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they? < 1266154858 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?\ < 1266154872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n==n equality test -- returns the xnor of two values (if you need booblean, use casting) < 1266154872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n!=n inequality test -- returns the xnand of two values < 1266154872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n|n "or" -- note: || in C is its | with a boolean restriction < 1266154872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n&n "and" -- note: && in C is its & with a boolean restriction < 1266154872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n!|n "nor" < 1266154873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n!&n "nand" < 1266154876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this mean: < 1266154885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x|y!=z!&r==n&p < 1266154891 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left to right < 1266154902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy then < 1266154906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how to write a parser right? < 1266154911 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! :D < 1266154924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well the obvious option is to use a library but that's boring innit < 1266154932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you don't really care about helpful syntax errors < 1266154943 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more lenient a language is the better < 1266154952 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I can't write python < 1266154965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is lenient... < 1266154970 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the syntax < 1266154973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1266154994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Past a certain point, bondage becomes freedom, paradoxically enough; Haskell, for instance, is one of the most expressive languages I've used. < 1266155001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Python doesn't really hit that. < 1266155006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll show you how I'd structure this parser in C. < 1266155028 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like purely structural languages versus ones that only have goto < 1266155065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1266155208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: actually, since you have complex expressions *and* infix operators, a parser library is probably your best bet < 1266155224 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1266155248 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could be hardcore and process all the nesting manually like I planned to < 1266155254 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becaues 1) That would teach me more < 1266155266 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) I wouldn't need to deal with a library < 1266155273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yacc isn't a library < 1266155280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write a .y file and it spits out a c file < 1266155290 0 :augur_!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266155292 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3) I wouldn't need to deal with a preprocessor < 1266155295 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey < 1266155295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70s technology, the people who invented C used it y'know < 1266155314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: re recursive descent - yeah except I'm good at shit like this and now how to write parsers, < 1266155334 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't < 1266155334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I realised you had left-associative infix operators with complex left-hand-side expressions with many types of nesting, plus 2d flow, < 1266155342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started crying and closed the window. < 1266155347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: also, you CANNOT parse this language < 1266155350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has two dimensional flow < 1266155354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can < 1266155364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to store N where N is a very large number parses for every single block < 1266155372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be near-impossible to coordinate < 1266155372 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually hang on < 1266155382 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to parse actively < 1266155386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason the only way you can parse befunge is loading it into a 2d char array < 1266155393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: right. you're out of your league. < 1266155400 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1266155408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a syntax for such trivial semantics :P < 1266155432 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a Chip-8 -> brainfuck converter < 1266155443 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could at least get SOMEWHERE with this < 1266155464 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if I wrote it in a language that was really good at dealing with fucked up structure < 1266155472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck I wash my hands of this < 1266155484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, haskell is really good for multiple angles of the same data and handling complex structures like this simply < 1266155485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin' < 1266155494 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have functional languages < 1266155497 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate* < 1266155509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. so you're an idiot, then < 1266155514 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of my parents programmed in C and PHP < 1266155529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP in your genes? well that would explain it < 1266155530 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wrote shell scripts when I was 3 < 1266155536 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate PHP too, though < 1266155540 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ironic < 1266155542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what functional languages have you used < 1266155565 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang, haskell, AGTs < 1266155570 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGTS* < 1266155571 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;sdlfjasd < 1266155574 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGTS* < 1266155576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how seriously did you use haskell? < 1266155579 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266155585 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1266155615 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread that. I didn't use it that eriously, but I jumped in the shallow end and tried to mess with it for a couple weeks < 1266155634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, obviously you hate them because they're different to what you're so used to. < 1266155638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a very healthy attitude to take, though. < 1266155643 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1266155647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should always try to push your programming language boundaries. < 1266155666 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used GML? Its object manipulation is worse than C++ < 1266155675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I may consider several paradigms worthwhile and not be sure which, but I know for sure that whichever has the nicest properties is certainly not imperative. < 1266155682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperative couldn't be more dead to me. < 1266155684 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really get accustomed to a functional language after mastering that < 1266155711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much more peaceful after you do ;) < 1266155716 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1266155736 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should try to do it in FreeBASIC < 1266155746 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to be an asshole to people who hate basic < 1266155746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me though because i constantly see everything that's shit about my computer < 1266155767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong architecture. wrong language. wrong structure of OS. wrong interface. wrong software. blah blah blah < 1266155777 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate x86 < 1266155799 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how windows XP ties everything to the OS < 1266155812 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tec. < 1266155813 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1266155820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hate x86 but for presumably all the wrong reasons < 1266155826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would vastly prefer a graph-reduction architecture < 1266155830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the Reduceron < 1266155831 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's WAY TOO MUCH < 1266155846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you know that simplicity is a virtue, but simplicity does not mean low-level, of course. < 1266155850 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, I work with mips all the time, and even it's over the top < 1266155856 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1266155863 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I was able to deal with chip-8 < 1266155865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Reduceron is a high-level symbolic computer (like computer algebra systems)... on an fpga < 1266155871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no imperative instructions in sight < 1266155938 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://devernay.free.fr/hacks/chip8/C8TECH10.HTM#3.1 < 1266155948 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only imperitive stuff there deals with the 8 or so registers < 1266155967 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1266156007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYS is imperative. CLR is. RET, JP, CALL. You could make an argument for SE/SNE/SE being denotational. LD, ADD. OR and AND too, for they mutate the registers. I won't go on; this is imperative in its entirety. < 1266156047 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I'm sorry < 1266156063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional *means* functional. :P < 1266156067 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming that pardagrim inclusion wasn't tenary < 1266156069 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1266156085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure what you said makes sense? < 1266156089 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1266156102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree < 1266156125 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming that something being one of a pardagrim wasn't a JUSDT yes, no, or unrelated thing. < 1266156128 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST* < 1266156151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I saw not a single instruction that could be described as declarative apart from - maybe - SE/SNE/SE; even then they read mutable state. < 1266156168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Functional" as a paradigm means little; only purely functional has the required properties that make it worthwhile. < 1266156195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasoning about programs, safety, segregating non-functional code into boxes, large optimisation potential, ... < 1266156206 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat < 1266156277 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry but that made no sense to me < 1266156278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if imperative code is all you know I'm not surprised you don't understand... it's pretty much the lowest common denominator as far as advanced topics like that go - and I mean to cause no offence, I am referring to the entire world that it comprises < 1266156317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't really explain most of them without several pages... by that point, it'd probably be easier for you to actually learn a functional language than to follow the tangled web of words. < 1266156325 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266156349 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that the way that I'm spergin' makes me thing of everything as a test and set < 1266156382 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was thinking that way before I know very much about computers < 1266156385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is a graph rewriting. < 1266156395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even imperative code can be modelled this way, and efficiently, too. < 1266156427 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can boil anything down to one operator following a 3D trail < 1266156433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly transcends such petty blimps in history as how our computers work; it's pretty much pure mathematics, and mathematics has to be the oldest non-physical discipline there is. < 1266156434 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can build that back up into anything else < 1266156452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the power, safety, purity and optimisation you get when you layer a good type system on top... < 1266156468 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :european pre-calculus math is retarded < 1266156471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you people saying two things can be equal in their computational ability even though they are different?!? < 1266156480 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my very non-humble opinion < 1266156485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-calculus is retarded everywhere < 1266156495 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post algebra, pre calculus < 1266156500 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fucking stupid < 1266156508 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, calculus isn't even european < 1266156519 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm fully justified in saying that all european math is dipshit < 1266156528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let's take a sneak peek at what you'll do with this stuff once you have any idea what it means" < 1266156537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Chaitlin count? < 1266156543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erdos? < 1266156549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why didn't I think of Erdos first? Disturbing.) < 1266156558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :current version of ski takes over a minute to compile < 1266156577 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are they post-1850? < 1266156588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god, you don't know who Paul Erdos is. < 1266156596 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I suck at european history past rome < 1266156611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you just became the most idiotic person I ever met, to claim that European mathematics is bullshit one sentence then express ignorance at who Paul Erdos is in the next. < 1266156619 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, but < 1266156620 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I suck at european history past rome < 1266156623 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1266156638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then saying anything about European mathematics makes you a fool. < 1266156653 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also 14 in one of the most facist state education systems in america < 1266156661 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so shun me < 1266156689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is one thing not to know, it is another entirely to make a blanket statement about something that you do not know. < 1266156696 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1266156714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the self-awareness to know that you are in a crappy educational system (pretty much all of them), you have the intellect, and thus the intellectual responsibility, not to do things like that. < 1266156716 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been trained to call everything post-1850 in the western hemisphere american < 1266156750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could only get away with "it's the SYSTEM! blame the SYSTEM!" if you weren't clearly intelligent enough to realise what bullshit such things are. < 1266156770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Georg Cantor? < 1266156778 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that I'm uneducated in history < 1266156779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1870. Maybe he's not sufficiently Unamerican for you. < 1266156783 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266156785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*un-Ameircan < 1266156786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*American < 1266156787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs < 1266156793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(un-American, that is) < 1266156815 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :russia and germany < 1266156823 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1266156831 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should be saying western instead of european < 1266156845 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again I suck at making good english so fuck that < 1266156868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally be make an fun english < 1266156874 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266156882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fact is, if you know that you do not know much about the history of European mathematics, because you know that you do not know about European history post-Roman times, then it is intellectually dishonest to make more than trivial statements about European mathematics; a blanket statement is simply ridiculous. < 1266156901 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But America is all about blanket systems! < 1266156905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to know anything to make that train of deduction except what you self-admittedly know; that you are ignorant of European history. < 1266156907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're both wrong < 1266156915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p and not p! < 1266156920 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :us q! < 1266156923 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is* < 1266156934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the famous P ?= NP problem < 1266156960 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p&!(p) < 1266156970 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=0 < 1266156982 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF COURSE IT'S UNRELATED < 1266157007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care how cliche it is, because it's relevant: < 1266157010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never let your schooling interfere with your education." --probably not Mark Twain < 1266157035 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I said until I realized that I didn't reach out enough out side of school to learn things < 1266157049 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you weren't being so pretensious I would probably be listening to you, though < 1266157057 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I suck at spelling < 1266157057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're on a computer connected to the internet; it presumably has a web browser. So... what are you waiting for? < 1266157066 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT HALF-LIFE < 1266157072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the American anti-intellectual attitude really has sunk into your brain < 1266157076 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1266157078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big words are pretentious elitism < 1266157079 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pro-intellectual < 1266157084 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1266157086 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insults are < 1266157094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not insulting you. < 1266157101 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reads like it < 1266157111 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin' < 1266157115 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1266157119 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's an asshole in general: don't read into it too much < 1266157128 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured such. < 1266157145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I am, but in this case I was not being an asshole to you, only certain parts or actions of you. < 1266157162 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but parts make up the whole < 1266157173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is criticising someone's mathematical proof an insult? < 1266157178 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1266157201 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're criticising the parts of me that I've never really cared about being different < 1266157204 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be! < 1266157205 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course I feel offended < 1266157210 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1266157256 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my full-blown proofs with columns and everything aren't ever argued with because I go into detail showing how I tried proving each part wrong to no avail < 1266157290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof by contradiction, damn you some kinda mathematical genius. < 1266157293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't argue with one of them. < 1266157302 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1266157303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as if they can be flawed or anything < 1266157322 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can divide by zero < 1266157326 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1266157371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1266157389 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y=x/0; 0y=x; x=0; y=0/0; < 1266157392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you just said about proofs does sound like you've been doing some serious precalculus < 1266157402 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do some serious algebra < 1266157403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that too < 1266157418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, that should unmelt it < 1266157429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elementary algebra, presumably < 1266157435 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, high school algebra < 1266157439 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266157442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's elementary algebra. < 1266157446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_, < 1266157446 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1266157447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*>_< < 1266157457 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I'm actually IN high schoo < 1266157458 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1266157467 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so saying that that's elementary from my perspective is like < 1266157473 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apples=oranges-2 < 1266157490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone talk to em so I don't have to. < 1266157491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not calling it elementary, that's just what it's called :-P < 1266157496 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266157502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To contrast with abstract algebra < 1266157505 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, "elementary" algebra < 1266157527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh elementary algebra < 1266157529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to express the notion that elementary algebra is difficult? < 1266157529 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_algebra -- Wikipedia agrees with me so I must be right < 1266157533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has nothing to do with algebra < 1266157536 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1266157544 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Sure it does < 1266157544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just tree rewriting < 1266157546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why "yeah, 'elementary' algebra"? < 1266157555 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:23 < Wareya> See, I'm actually IN high schoo < 1266157556 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:24 < Wareya> so saying that that's elementary from my perspective is like < 1266157556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh? < 1266157556 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:24 < Wareya> apples=oranges-2 < 1266157567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: No, that isn't an answer; it doesn't make any sense. < 1266157573 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're funny < 1266157575 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense to me < 1266157581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How is calling it elementary strange from your perspective?" is the question. < 1266157581 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait of course it does < 1266157587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are saying things but they don't seem to express any sort of coherent idea. < 1266157588 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1266157593 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elementary school < 1266157598 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's just the most basic concepts, restricted to an easy-to-understand set < 1266157601 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grade school < 1266157614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: So, what, do you not know what the word "elementary" means? < 1266157618 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266157620 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic < 1266157629 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it means more than that < 1266157634 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pretty much means basic < 1266157640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is basic algebra. < 1266157643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how is that strange at all? < 1266157644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so like group axioms and shit? < 1266157655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get more basic than that in algebra < 1266157658 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No, like equations and variables and shit :-P < 1266157671 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase americans think of elementary as grade school < 1266157672 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period < 1266157677 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in massachusetts < 1266157693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variables are logic, not algebra, imo; algebra is about having operations and things, and rules for how the operations should work < 1266157707 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are logic, but they're used in algebra < 1266157709 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebra is the manipulation of equations that contain variables < 1266157711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equations is, maybe, closer to algebra < 1266157720 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional variables I mean < 1266157739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would highly expect that Massachusetts has one of the better educational systems in America. < 1266157740 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of things that you do in elementary algebra are a subset of the things you do in abstract algebra < 1266157742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well dunno really, to me they just don't seem to have any sort of real connection < 1266157749 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alise, I'm on the new york border < 1266157755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one, it's probably the most liberal state; and, well, all dem universities. < 1266157767 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Taxachusetts < 1266157782 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) The Berkshires suck at middle and high school < 1266157790 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) I'm 14 < 1266157797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFFORTS TO tamp down antitax sentiment in Massachusetts got an unexpected boost last week: the small-government advocates at the National Tax Foundation in Washington, D.C., issued a report showing that the state's tax burden has dropped a few notches this year. The epithet "Taxachusetts" has been difficult to shake, but the foundation report ranks the state 23d out of 50 for the bite state and local taxes take out of a resident's paycheck. That's just abou < 1266157797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t the middle by anyone's calculation. < 1266157801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took like five seconds to google up < 1266157810 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsfield < 1266157813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't criticise left-wing policy by prefixing words with tax- < 1266157822 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left wing policy is great < 1266157831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you're 14, but I would presume some of the intellectualismamism from the unis would spill out < 1266157834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about equations, it's about systems with objects and functions that map objects to other objects < 1266157836 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm so poor that I'm obliged to laugh at taxes < 1266157851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you try to characterize what these systems look like, given some constraints on the operations < 1266157852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're balanced out by relevant social services then it's irrelevant < 1266157852 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGAIN < 1266157855 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsfield < 1266157889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you do in high school is you have a vague understanding of the real line, and you have one set of rules you need to learn to apply < 1266157911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that does make it sound like they have a connection < 1266157968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah okay maybe, but you only train the part that doesn't require any sort of thinking or understanding. < 1266158008 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, arguably you can do abstract algebra without any understanding as well < 1266158010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could replace it by a class where you memorize axioms for different algebraic systems, although it might be harder to keep students from understanding what they're doing < 1266158026 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1266158036 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice you can't because there are too many rules and it's not as easy to recognize when to use which one < 1266158047 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the upper ends of my school are trying to get rid of all he autistic kids by failing them < 1266158048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"although it might be harder to keep students from understanding what they're doing" < 1266158053 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUESS WHO THAT INCLUDES < 1266158060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're being too snappy about education lately. stop it or i'll be forced to quote you < 1266158072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: you're not autistic. < 1266158078 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They think I am < 1266158092 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I don't group aspergers with autism < 1266158117 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to put it a way, one is a software issue, the other is a hardware issue < 1266158139 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1266158151 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the worst explanation of the difference i have ever heard < 1266158156 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1266158157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1266158159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you actually have asperger's it's very much a hardware issue < 1266158167 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1266158167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, asperger's isn't real in like 90% of cases < 1266158172 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people who self-diagnose asperger's are just shy/socially inept/whatever < 1266158181 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aspergers is often psychological < 1266158182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people who are DIAGNOSED Asperger's are just that. < 1266158195 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know about that < 1266158199 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266158210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know of at least one case... (me) < 1266158212 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't even heard of asperger's until it erupted on the internet a few years back and everybody was like "OMG that's me" < 1266158221 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266158224 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the internet < 1266158235 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1266158235 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One case does not a "most people" make < 1266158237 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:36 < alise> Well, I know of at least one case... (me) < 1266158237 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:36 < Deewiant> I hadn't even heard of asperger's until it erupted on the internet a few years back and everybody was like "OMG that's me" < 1266158240 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic timing < 1266158249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said I wasn't Asperger's, you fool. < 1266158257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: all education before university is bullshit and should be completely removed < 1266158261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Most people who self-diagnose asperger's are just shy/socially inept/whatever < 1266158261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Most people who are DIAGNOSED Asperger's are just that. < 1266158261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, I don't know about that < 1266158263 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266158263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, I know of at least one case... (me) < 1266158266 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:37 < oklopol> alise: all education before university is bullshit and should be completely removed < 1266158267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has absolutely no use to anyone < 1266158274 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1266158278 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would agree if it weren't for grade school < 1266158285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: what, exactly, is hilarious? :p < 1266158291 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Most people can't be dropped to university without any knowledge of the pre-university stuff < 1266158291 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1266158299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that better? < 1266158305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: intelligent people educate themselves < 1266158314 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what alise said < 1266158314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so do dumb people, they just need constant poking in some direction to do it. < 1266158318 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not necessarily < 1266158323 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost always < 1266158326 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many grow into intelligence < 1266158334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Name one? < 1266158353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't enjoy school, for the most part, until I was maybe 12 years old < 1266158355 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 90% of the seniors at my school who aren't there for the lunch < 1266158359 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still learned the stuff, of course < 1266158363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That is completely unrelated to education. < 1266158366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or intelligence. < 1266158373 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:38 < alise> Deewiant: Name one? < 1266158374 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:38 < Wareya> alise: 90% of the seniors at my school who aren't there for the lunch < 1266158374 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's related to education < 1266158380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name someone who grew into intelligence, not someone who grew into liking education. < 1266158381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there are just numbers and lists, so i'm not sure a separator between list elements makes much sense < 1266158392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :State education, at that, which isn't really much education. Maybe it's better in Finland. < 1266158406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah i think you should drop commas from function args too < 1266158408 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :american middle and high schools < 1266158409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I mean, without the years of education before that point, I'd've been lagging behind others < 1266158409 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCK < 1266158410 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASS < 1266158424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you'd call me an idiot if I were here with 10 years less education than I've got < 1266158428 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.) < 1266158433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can't know whether you would have self-directed your education or not. < 1266158439 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly < 1266158443 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably look far more like I have aspergers if it weren't for elementary school < 1266158449 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus it's safer to force people into education < 1266158454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you had enough intelligence so that if you did not find intellectual stimulation you would become bored. < 1266158460 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be all over mechanics and programming, like I am now, but nothing else < 1266158463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, I was questioning whether you wouldn't. < 1266158470 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boredom does not mean you'll do something useful < 1266158472 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See procastination < 1266158477 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :procrastination* < 1266158479 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY < 1266158484 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :procrastination isn't out of boredom < 1266158494 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's out of lack of intrest in what you're procrastinating < 1266158494 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was < 1266158497 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1266158500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug < 1266158504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just speshul < 1266158513 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY < 1266158520 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inclined to think you are: you're smarter than most people my age that I know < 1266158524 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to what started this (I think) < 1266158530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mommmy says I'm thus! < 1266158531 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Boat < 1266158535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with THREE Ms! < 1266158540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm extra-mmm! < 1266158545 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW THE HELL would I write an interpreter for this shit? < 1266158553 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apart from when you act like an idiot, but I guess a lot of people my age do that too, so shrug) < 1266158563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping to grow out of that :P < 1266158575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People do. < 1266158590 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be right back < 1266158595 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much soda withotu enough food < 1266158596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually kinda scared that i'll hit my upper bound on intelligence at like 20 < 1266158601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what grade school is < 1266158610 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Most people do, too. :-P < 1266158615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be horrible to go through 60 more years with first equal, then declining intelligence < 1266158618 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that it's just accumulating knowledge < 1266158621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ehh I'd say people change a lot from 20 to 25 < 1266158628 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever < 1266158632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but there's a finite amount of relevant knowledge I could accumulate too < 1266158635 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly before your 30s anyway < 1266158670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess my best hope is a singularity before my brain starts irreversibly decaying, then it'd just be a temporary blip of stasis :P < 1266158709 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decay doesn't matter if the singularity works out nicely < 1266158717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't bet on a singularity, anyway :-P < 1266158728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may believe many things about what a singularity can do, reversing entropy isn't one < 1266158745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't believe the brain is sufficiently modularised to allow me to be imported into a shiny new cognitive facility without the decay < 1266158747 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a singularity is the opposite of entropy < 1266158751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably mixed < 1266158756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: not that kind of singularity. < 1266158758 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's an effective one instead of a physical one < 1266158760 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1266158768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technological singularity < 1266158773 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course < 1266158782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i'm not sure continuing this conversation is very fruitful, you know perfectly well i'll never agree with your perfectly sensible statements. < 1266158802 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean argument. < 1266158810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't bet on a singularity, I hope for it < 1266158814 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: If you say so :-) < 1266158821 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I didn't claim you do < 1266158832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that a singularity is possible, and I maybe-bet that a singularity is quite feasible. < 1266158847 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :singularities are possible if time travel is < 1266158855 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean reverse time travel < 1266158868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But time travel is unlikely enough that that's not a very fruitful angle < 1266158870 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be incluned to say the converse too, but I don't know. < 1266158924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'd like to think that a singularity could reverse any brain damage but I'm not so certain < 1266158933 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1266158942 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alise, what if a brain and its consciousness were perfectly duplicated? < 1266158946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it's in my interest to try and cause a singularity before that's even a consideration < 1266158950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: oh god not this, we argued about this last night < 1266158953 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked this better when it was doomsday < 1266158958 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall < 1266158964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: define this < 1266158970 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1266158974 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ways To Avoid Death < 1266158987 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a radical point of view on that stuff < 1266158995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: thou art confusing me < 1266159001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: tell me it so that i may tell you how unradical it is. < 1266159002 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so confusing < 1266159008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: define define this < 1266159033 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway I'd like to think that a singularity could reverse any brain damage but I'm not so certain < 1266159041 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i guess my best hope is a singularity before my brain starts irreversibly decaying, then it'd just be a temporary blip of stasis :P < 1266159059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I don't put the probability of a lovely magical singularity all that high < 1266159074 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 corinthians 15 < 1266159103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likening singularitarianism to religion, yawn < 1266159110 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immort < 1266159110 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."[g] < 1266159123 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact same sentiment right there < 1266159146 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any analog "computer" may be conscious, consciousnesses are detatched from their "computer", and they follow our fourth dimensinoal time on a string or quantum level and manipulare elementary particles to cause free will. This of course makes time travel on an above-physical level completely possible, which of course makes those eleven dimensions necesary, ruining relativity without string theory. < 1266159170 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me that's not radical in any way, < 1266159188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"y follow our fourth dimensinoal time on a string or quantum level " < 1266159192 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure it is meaningful < 1266159195 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone radical < 1266159199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain lunged my head away so that I could not read further once I read that < 1266159207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an allergic reaction to quantum mysticism < 1266159217 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE QUANTUM MYSTICISM < 1266159219 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAIWEFHQPWE"ZSD(_VFU@C_FXs < 1266159224 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, why < 1266159231 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why what < 1266159235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: singularity theory isn't about "oh the world is going to be great" though it's just applied self-improving ai < 1266159241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how we can direct its goals < 1266159244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1266159248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ski works < 1266159261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "this will make GREAT THINGS" it's "we can make this really powerful thing, and here's a way to make it aim for great things" < 1266159280 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically to help you, one alise, transform your natural body into a spiritual one < 1266159282 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Would a singularity be able to code Boat interpreter in 80 characters or less? :D < 1266159290 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code a* < 1266159294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: no, I absolutely disbelieve in the existence of the spiritual < 1266159299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p124451566.txt <<< also god i find this pretty < 1266159305 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well that's a useful position < 1266159311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also notice cadaar and cadar, had to cheat a bit :< < 1266159311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that minds can be run on computers, but that's *because* i'm a monist < 1266159335 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that digital and analog computation can only be converted in one direction < 1266159339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason singularitarianism seems so "mystic" is because of the basic fact that we cannot know what something more intelligent than us will deem correct, even if we have told it what it should aim for < 1266159351 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266159352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it in the end decides how to achieve that, and we cannot be smarter than ourselves < 1266159354 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure we can < 1266159360 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been doing it for centuries < 1266159379 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: evolution < 1266159391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I come back after going brb, I expect you to be behaving as a transhuman would be < 1266159406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will then repeat. let's see if we can't cause a hard takeoff by sheer force of imagination. < 1266159412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? okay then. brb -> < 1266159488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HOW ABOUT THAT THERE SKI INTERP HUH? < 1266159507 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-172-6-94.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266159516 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ABOUT THAT HOW DO I WRITE AN INTERPRETER FOR A 2D LANGUAGE WITH FUCKED UP FLOW CONTROL HUH? < 1266159527 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T KNOW, GO READ A BOOK < 1266159530 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Boat < 1266159533 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I SUCK < 1266159542 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN DO SOMETHING EASIER LIKE FUCKING A GIRL < 1266159551 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT'S HARDER < 1266159558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the girls are at their parents' houses :< < 1266159587 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously < 1266159601 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I insane for trying to make something like this < 1266159609 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya ttly lol ^__________^ < 1266159619 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1266159620 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it significantly more fucked up than Funge-98? < 1266159629 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266159650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1266159674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: what's hard about it? < 1266159683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean which command? < 1266159690 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression handling < 1266159706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression handling? what do you mean < 1266159710 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nesting and anarchistic flow control < 1266159714 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1266159715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have nesting < 1266159720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'll actually read that < 1266159722 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266159774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nesting + 2d is pure genius < 1266159781 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inorite:D < 1266159789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i was surprised < 1266159795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm < 1266159797 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are you serious? < 1266159800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266159811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clearly can't parse, so it should be pretty easy < 1266159829 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just raped C, gave it a memory strip, and put it in a character array < 1266159830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that wasn't serious, i just hate parsing because i parsed last night < 1266159849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you did 2d + nesting, and it became genius < 1266159859 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but C made the nesting < 1266159870 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the flow control can seriously be anywhere < 1266159879 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266159890 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1266159899 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : v=`n`(? < < 1266159899 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?(`n`!=3){`n`=`n`+1;v}^ < 1266159899 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ 1 }< < 1266159899 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : >); < 1266159907 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's outdated, but it shows what I mean < 1266159923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you took 2d, and you took nesting, and you put them together, i think that's a new idea, so i claim it's genius. < 1266159926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1266159938 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but? < 1266159942 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mn < 1266159943 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1266159949 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to go over and over expressions < 1266159956 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning i'll need to safe their coordinates < 1266159960 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll need to nest THAT < 1266159961 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUCK < 1266159964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure it actually amounts to anything that interesting given that you have so much stuff you'll probably just end up writing pretty normal 1d programs < 1266159985 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should strip it down? < 1266159994 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least I don't have functions) < 1266160004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think so < 1266160005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1266160042 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I realized how much bloat I have here just now < 1266160051 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more than I think I originally wanted < 1266160070 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1266160087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you can still have a nice amount of stuff in there, i'd just remove some of the technical details about segment sizes < 1266160097 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1266160104 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know i'd just have bignums :P < 1266160113 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what bignums are :D < 1266160123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :access memory at address q with n bits in size -- you could see 32[30] which would access the long integer at addresses 27, 28, 29, and 30. Yeah, it's big endian, but that might change as this goes. I guess I could get away call this as a special case for an array of bits. < 1266160134 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the best part! < 1266160136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too complicated for my small brain < 1266160136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1266160139 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266160141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1266160152 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how people hate dealing with endianness < 1266160161 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bits < 1266160166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see < 1266160169 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I went "Hey let's do both" < 1266160179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a thing, then it's fine. < 1266160181 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n^^(n,n)"rolling" exponent - 4^^(2,3) would be 4^2^2^2 < 1266160183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266160184 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DELETE < 1266160225 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q{n} access memory at address q with n bits in size -- you could see 32[30] which would access the long integer at addresses 27, 28, 29, and 30. Yeah, it's big endian, but that might change as this goes. I guess I could get away call this as a special case for an array of bits. < 1266160229 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q{n}[m] array with segments the size of n with the "origin" data value being at address q - with big endian, again. < 1266160232 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q{n}[m][b] multidimensional array < 1266160234 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q{n}=j set value at memory address q of size n to j < 1266160237 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q{n}[m]=j set value at spot m in an array to j < 1266160239 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q{n}[y] use value of size n at address q as an address for a value size y < 1266160242 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this excessive? < 1266160271 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye strings < 1266160275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266160285 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized < 1266160301 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I don't need the built in variables at all < 1266160332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone gimme a nice ski program < 1266160375 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%(0[1]<5){0[1]=0[1]+1}; < 1266160381 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is valid Boat as of right now < 1266160392 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, do I need loops? < 1266160398 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as it's 2D and I have a goto and all < 1266160399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1266160401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use nesting < 1266160403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for stuff < 1266160405 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1266160413 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use if tests < 1266160419 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and move out of the line of execution < 1266160423 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forcing you to use 2D < 1266160425 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or goto < 1266160461 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try to write something in ski jus to not be an asshole < 1266160465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: bignum = arbitrary size integer < 1266160471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stores in memory when it overflows an int < 1266160473 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's lazy! < 1266160475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like python's ints < 1266160478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1266160481 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hsuh < 1266160485 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hush* < 1266160497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not lazy, integers are always finite < 1266160518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy is when you have an infinite thing, not when you have an infinitely extendable thing < 1266160523 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, that ruins the fun of fucking with people < 1266160543 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multi-endian + bits < 1266160545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you randomly stepped on genius by istake i'm just gonna tarpit the idea. < 1266160550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sure; as i said, if it's a thing, it's okay, i'd just make it really high level because that's the furthest away from funges. < 1266160569 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1266160578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know i'd want like recursion and stuff < 1266160595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, maybe still bytes for storage < 1266160595 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that < 1266160601 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't have functions, just gotos < 1266160606 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can deal with bytes < 1266160615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a stack + nesting + 2d mmmmmmmmmm < 1266160623 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1266160627 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(address*16)[16] < 1266160631 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYTES < 1266160645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytes \o/ < 1266160673 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, working with bits is better for people who want to ultra-optimize < 1266160692 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and working with bytes isn't that much of a pain in the ass < 1266160720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working with high level stuff is not a pain in the ass if you use a modern language < 1266160727 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C < 1266160731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1266160736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah totally < 1266160736 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love C < 1266160740 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for file i/o < 1266160744 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I suck at it < 1266160746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266160749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're killing me < 1266160759 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266160763 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1266160774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather Wareya than asiekierka < 1266160784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[suddenly, out of nowhere, the latter appears] < 1266160786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but not both. < 1266160791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well file io is you say file @ this address, then you read/write strings back and forth < 1266160804 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that simple < 1266160807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can *not understand* how to do that, your language is pretty much as bad as it can be < 1266160811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not that simple < 1266160812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C. < 1266160821 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to deal with something dealing with pointers in a way that isn't normal < 1266160822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it damn fucking hell is that simple in any modern language < 1266160822 0 :MissPiggy!~none@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1266160831 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1266160835 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like python < 1266160836 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266160843 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is ungodly at strings < 1266160848 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sucks at evverything else < 1266160850 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-v < 1266160865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah python doesn't have tail recursion < 1266160884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that... < 1266160904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually i try my best to hate python, because i'd like it if i sometimes used another langauge < 1266160906 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to rewrite my last example < 1266160908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1266160915 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266160941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went through io is damn hard -> io is fucking easy -> io is damn hard in my language now but these super type features will make it the easiest possible except with safety... just a few more equations and it'll do it... < 1266160948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one is bliss. < 1266160959 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266160960 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muuu < 1266161042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just talk about type theory and suddenly MissPiggy appears < 1266161103 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266161103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: SO DID YOU HEAR ABOUT SKI < 1266161111 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1266161116 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hapened < 1266161126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it in clue < 1266161133 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1266161145 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow cool!!! show me ? < 1266161148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p124451566.txt < 1266161158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orgasmic < 1266161172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few functions are total cheats < 1266161175 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed all of the Boat examples :D < 1266161185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: CLUE WAS HERE FIRST! < 1266161191 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C < 1266161196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are they cheats < 1266161207 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackish < 1266161211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so does this thing compile < 1266161217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1266161218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so show the output, I wanna see how efficient it compiles to < 1266161231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to see the output yet < 1266161234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dump the ast < 1266161238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll add that, but it's nontrivial < 1266161242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1266161252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's trivial, but it will still take some time < 1266161256 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god !!!!!!!! < 1266161259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see there's no ast, there's just python code. < 1266161267 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell does this work < 1266161272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i compiled to lambdas for funsies < 1266161275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266161285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: it's just brute force < 1266161298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: print the python code then < 1266161304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well okay maybe < 1266161309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just replace return (lambda bitchass: ...) with return "(lambda bitchass: ...)" or w/e :P < 1266161326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess that'd work < 1266161352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "glue" function that does all the work is just a bit... not optimally pretty :P < 1266161359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1266161365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's just one line i'll need to fix tho < 1266161368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or change < 1266161379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll make it always also return some sorta AST, maybe that's simple < 1266161409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first, someone give me some ski, i've just tested trivial stuff < 1266161432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: or did you mean how does the ski interp work? < 1266161445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i think the code is pretty easy to read < 1266161446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1266161456 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pitiful that I have 9 updates in a row on the recent changes list < 1266161463 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can read it < 1266161467 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just CDR coding < 1266161475 0 :Gregor!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266161505 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long does that file take to compile? < 1266161515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah most of ski is just list manipulation, the only hard part i guess was to get "ski type?" to work, and to get "ski apply" to actually compile, had to add cadaar and cadar < 1266161523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a few minutes < 1266161524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266161529 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1266161541 0 :base3!~rk@host81-141-232-7.wlms-broadband.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266161556 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything abotu ski < 1266161558 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :educate me < 1266161570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait 9 seconds now < 1266161572 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about* < 1266161617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: S = \x y z.x z (y z) < 1266161624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: K = \x y.x < 1266161638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The above is Turing complete. < 1266161647 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what? < 1266161675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any lambda calculus expression can be compiled into usage of S and K. < 1266161676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he only knows C, Python and some game maker scripting language thing < 1266161680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and says he hates functional languages < 1266161684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh dear. < 1266161685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo < 1266161689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably take a few hours to explain SKI < 1266161693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: if you have (((s a) b) c) somewhere, you'll change it to ((a c) (b c)), if you have ((k a) b) somewhere, you change it to just a < 1266161698 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise functional languages are hiary < 1266161701 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hairy < 1266161702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that also < 1266161705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Let's start with lambda. < 1266161709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not < 1266161712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski is just term rewriting < 1266161722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus < 1266161723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((S a) b) c -> (a c) (b c) < 1266161726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266161728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(K a) b -> a < 1266161729 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus is kind of hard to start with to explain SK < 1266161733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can use this to model functions < 1266161740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let I = ((S K) K) < 1266161754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I x) -> (((S K) K) x) < 1266161767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> (K x) (K x) < 1266161785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is (K a) b < 1266161790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = x, b = (K x) < 1266161793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we rewrite it to x < 1266161803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, from two rewrite rules, we can express a function that takes an argument and returns it < 1266161815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is you have to understand how to translate all those parens into nested structures in your head, not sure C teaches that < 1266161816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can express any turing-computable function with only combinations of these S and K terms < 1266161829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, it is a turing-complete programming language. < 1266161834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Wareya can probably say he has no idea what's going on, himself, if that's the case < 1266161841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION winces and braces for the "it can't do IO so C is more powerful"
< 1266161853 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do IO in C < 1266161859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... yes, yes you can < 1266161867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm is even more tc than C < 1266161907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8.3 seconds without any debug info) < 1266161911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC is lame for theoretical purity if you have SK < 1266161911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll add asts now < 1266161927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just replace "lambda x: y" with Lambda("x", y) etc :P < 1266161935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even ('lam','x',y) knowing you < 1266161941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, hey. Don't think you saw. < 1266161951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I wrote a SK evaluator in C. < 1266161958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Using my lambda macro. < 1266161960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw. < 1266161967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably while reading the logs last week. < 1266161968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Log reading. < 1266161969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1266161978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise once compiled underload to c < 1266161983 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND < 1266161992 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya, let me try to explain, < 1266162001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: do you understand how (1 (2 3)) is a tree? < 1266162011 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE < 1266162012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> S a b c = a c (b c); < 1266162013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> K a b = a; < 1266162013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> S K K a; < 1266162013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1266162013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> S a K b; < 1266162013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b (K b) < 1266162015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pure is awesome < 1266162018 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya, imagine you have a forest with lots of different kinds of birds in it < 1266162022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266162027 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO STUPID OF A METAPHOR < 1266162029 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRY AGAIN < 1266162033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy <3 < 1266162040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rich coming from "ASPERGER'S IS sOFtWARE aUTISM IS HARDWARE" man < 1266162049 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1266162056 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya that was pretty rude < 1266162060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> S I I a; < 1266162061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a a < 1266162062 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I APOLOGIZE < 1266162070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbolic evaluation is a wonderful thing < 1266162077 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you kind of lost it < 1266162078 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM PISSY, GIDDY, AND HYPER < 1266162085 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care what you are < 1266162088 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1266162098 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about no caps lock?\ < 1266162101 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi MissPiggy < 1266162120 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peace < 1266162323 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise you know I spent the whole night dreaming about the link between complexn numbers and consciousness -_- < 1266162330 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266162333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1266162353 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one of those mornings when you wake up with a headache < 1266162353 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying that complex numbers aren't computable? < 1266162369 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least not digitally) < 1266162369 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya -- do you want to try again? < 1266162373 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266162386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you think a digital computer cannot be conscious? < 1266162396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only an analogue one? < 1266162399 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe that digital computers can be conscious < 1266162402 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only analog ones < 1266162410 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only the core needs to be consious < 1266162418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: okay listen < 1266162421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what a neuron is? < 1266162421 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, an analog computer could run a digital one < 1266162423 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266162425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :billions of them in our brain right < 1266162428 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266162429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know we can emulate them on digital computers right? < 1266162431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do so < 1266162436 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulate < 1266162443 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they emulate analog sound effects < 1266162444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. emulate is the same thing as run natively, just slower < 1266162445 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya so there is a bird called the idiot bird, because whatever you say to it -- it just says it back. we can represent it as Ix = x. for example if II = I. And theres another bird called the mocking bird which repeats everything it hears twice Mx = xx. < 1266162451 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on digital computers < 1266162454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also neurons are primarily digital... < 1266162463 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet they have an analog section < 1266162467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, you have not provided any evidence for your claim < 1266162472 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the part I think causes consciousness < 1266162474 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I haven't < 1266162478 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I said it was radical < 1266162481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you do so, I have no obligation to consider it < 1266162482 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piggy: okayy reading now < 1266162489 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-y < 1266162492 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya so if I call 'Idiot' to the Mocking bird it calles out idiot idiot and then idiot bird just says idiot, so that is MI = II = I, do you understand? < 1266162506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: just go for S and K < 1266162508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M isn't important < 1266162508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I suspect this is going to end up in the Chinese room argument. < 1266162565 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266162567 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand < 1266162611 0 :Libster!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266162624 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts < 1266162627 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Like I said, my excuse is that analog computers that run the consciousness hook up to digital ones to do logical work < 1266162644 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is very, very asinine < 1266162650 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thnx < 1266162654 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you :D < 1266162655 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i too < 1266162655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libster: wat < 1266162657 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266162660 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am trolling < 1266162661 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get my models of consciousness from like < 1266162663 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulp novels < 1266162663 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i doing a good job? < 1266162667 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1266162670 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1266162672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so confused in the few seconds since you joined < 1266162675 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go rtoll 4chan by being a shitty troll like I do < 1266162679 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll* < 1266162679 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me how i can do a better job Wareya < 1266162682 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry guys this is my fault < 1266162684 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah that must take some doing < 1266162685 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266162686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think *you* *trolled* 4chan? < 1266162690 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1266162695 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some people on it < 1266162700 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thought I was a bad troll < 1266162702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they were trolling you < 1266162711 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cockblocking trolls is a sacred art! < 1266162725 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are you nerds up to < 1266162732 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something awesome < 1266162745 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1266162754 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:51 < MissPiggy> sorry guys this is my fault < 1266162756 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:51 -!- MissPiggy [~none@unaffiliated/fax] has left #esoteric [] < 1266162758 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sad < 1266162784 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot < 1266162791 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot idiot < 1266162792 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i AM an idiot < 1266162797 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot < 1266162800 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot idiot < 1266162800 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made my day, base3 < 1266162802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: don't feed Libster and base3, they followed misspiggy here < 1266162809 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am hungry < 1266162813 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1266162823 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please feed me < 1266162828 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fedds libster
< 1266162833 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks bud < 1266162835 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma fedd you < 1266162840 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1266162841 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew this channel was full of fedds < 1266162847 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kidding. < 1266162859 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alise, please tell me how to slim down Boat < 1266162861 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1266162863 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out Libster they might track you down and arrest you < 1266162872 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!!!! < 1266162891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: see /msg. < 1266162905 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem Libster just mask your ip with /quit < 1266162918 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i invented a new eosteric programming language < 1266162918 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type /quit IP < 1266162922 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the syntax < 1266162925 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162926 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162926 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162926 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162926 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162927 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162928 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162930 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162932 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162934 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162936 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162938 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162940 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162942 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162944 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162946 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM < 1266162950 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty funny, right? < 1266162960 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol montey pythan < 1266162964 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that british humouur < 1266162970 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck i hate british humor < 1266162971 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pthing < 1266162974 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hate british < 1266162974 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1266162977 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about you? < 1266162983 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im fine < 1266162984 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me how to slim down Boat < 1266162987 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1266162992 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat less < 1266162995 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise more < 1266163033 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question < 1266163047 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 4^(4^4) end up being the same as 4^4^4^4 ever < 1266163052 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any change of the parenthesis < 1266163120 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: if you take (4^4) or a higher tower as a power ever < 1266163136 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will clearly end up bigger than 4^(4^4) < 1266163141 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I'm thinkin of doing something like < 1266163147 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you still have to add in another 4 somewhere < 1266163151 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4^^4=4^4^4^4 < 1266163153 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only possibility is < 1266163160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations, you invented tetration < 1266163162 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 4^^^4=4^^4^^4^^4=UGH < 1266163165 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power tower < 1266163170 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great because I don't know what that is < 1266163171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth wants a word with you. < 1266163171 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4^(4^4) = (((4^4)^4)^4) < 1266163173 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about knith arrows? < 1266163176 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with u < 1266163177 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knuth arrows < 1266163179 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you link me to an article? < 1266163181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: < 1266163184 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See wikipedia < 1266163185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth%27s_up-arrow_notation < 1266163204 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE THINGS I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE < 1266163208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libster!!! < 1266163209 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore I say I'll learn it later < 1266163210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266163212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1266163214 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1266163220 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am trolling this channel < 1266163240 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Cave Story, Bro < 1266163254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libster: wanna see my new ski interp? < 1266163259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p124451566.txt < 1266163263 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does tha tmean < 1266163266 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i am not a nerd < 1266163274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiles in just 8.5 seconds < 1266163280 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool what are you talking about < 1266163283 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 4^(4^4) does not equal ((4^4)^4)^4, because it clearly equals (((4^4)^4)^4)^4 < 1266163284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski is this combinatory logic thingie < 1266163305 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1266163308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have three functions and you apply them to each other < 1266163321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use it to test my languages because it's trivial to implement < 1266163345 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on the theory that three idiots working together can accomplish anything < 1266163352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is so great, Libster and base3 on #eso < 1266163356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like christmas < 1266163362 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1266163376 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we came here to troll < 1266163385 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1266163393 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah alament is here < 1266163407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1266163408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he's our friendly op. < 1266163415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that he ever does any opping. and he isn't really friendly < 1266163443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't really his thing anymore, but he enjoys listening to us with his ears < 1266163446 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do i know you? < 1266163457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base3: no, but i often watch you on #math < 1266163471 0 :lament!~lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266163483 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lament < 1266163498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but me and Libster are best buds < 1266163501 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if you're interesting in antisocial or potentially unlawful activities tangentially related to math, you should join #~math < 1266163513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1266163543 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're sort of like a outlaw math gang < 1266163548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be there, i just tend to part all channels when vista decides it can't open any more windows unless i part a few channels. < 1266163549 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1266163550 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Cave Story, Bro < 1266163553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1266163564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought you were a bit cooler than the other mathholes < 1266163570 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1266163609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are you guys going to have sex, in which case just get (a) a room and (b) it over with, or else just, you know, I don't know, I didn't consider this case when deciding to be an asshole < 1266163628 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, picture? < 1266163630 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266163642 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol alise < 1266163645 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, actually, given the context, that sounds kind of strange. You know what I mean < 1266163664 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have sex with you alise < 1266163685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: not now, I'm busy whoring out my body to *other* people < 1266163700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only regulars can have sex with alise < 1266163709 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have sex with you oklopol < 1266163715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll cocks are too big < 1266163720 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1266163736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could do math together < 1266163741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266163743 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.249.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266163859 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1266163865 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I do to slim down boat < 1266163866 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Boat < 1266163868 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this boat < 1266163877 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw your passengers overboard < 1266163893 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while maintainging the retarded way of dealing with memory, 2Dness, and expression nesting < 1266164005 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could limit myself to if tests and increment/decrementation < 1266164036 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use linux it will make your code faster < 1266164043 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a no brainer < 1266164158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not about speed, this is about ease of implementing it < 1266164162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even more definitely linux, huh < 1266164173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux has all the right stuff < 1266164196 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but linux IS faster < 1266164199 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1266164202 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were serious? < 1266164206 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trolling < 1266164212 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man you guys are stupid < 1266164217 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit you're trolling < 1266164222 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I'm serious < 1266164243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to what, windows? linux has a better task switcher iirc < 1266164248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably the syscalls are better < 1266164250 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :task switcher? < 1266164253 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1266164254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, theoretically, you could say it's faster < 1266164264 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you could say that if you are stupid < 1266164264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: if you don't know what a task switcher is... ... i have nothing to say < 1266164279 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALT+TAB < 1266164280 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1266164301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck, Wareya's complete retardation has made him unable to stop feeding the trolls thus turning this channel into a shithole < 1266164302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, Wareya < 1266164309 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thanks < 1266164311 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appreciate it < 1266164322 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these trolls are cool < 1266164336 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1266165203 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://64.vg/src/cb37635de8f76f2b2587fbace50d0427/raw < 1266165227 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: http://64.vg/uoa < 1266165543 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, now the channel's dead. < 1266165597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1266165628 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the trolling finally ended. < 1266165703 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1266165708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: you fucking moron < 1266165713 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just shut up < 1266165722 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ < 1266165722 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_) __| (_) ___ | |_ (_) __| (_) ___ | |_ < 1266165722 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| |/ _` | |/ _ \| __| | |/ _` | |/ _ \| __| < 1266165722 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | (_| | | (_) | |_ | | (_| | | (_) | |_ < 1266165722 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|_|\__,_|_|\___/ \__| |_|\__,_|_|\___/ \__| < 1266165729 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l@l < 1266165836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :馬鹿ね。…… < 1266165847 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+q *!*@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net < 1266165851 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+q *!*@host81-141-232-7.wlms-broadband.com < 1266165866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1266165872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, ChanServ automagically goes hostmasky when you give it a nickname. < 1266165886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1266165898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey they weren't so bad < 1266165906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel kind of awkward with them still sitting, brooding, silent < 1266165909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess it's nice to aknowledge someone's trolling < 1266165913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what if they stay here for years and someone unbans them by mistake < 1266165918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a million lines come through in 0 seconds < 1266165918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ack < 1266165924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's scary < 1266165935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mostly going by the 16 consecutive lines of "SPAM". < 1266165939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd start chanting "kick them" but there isn't enough of an angry mob < 1266165942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1266165947 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1266165950 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric languages < 1266165951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what the hell. KICK THEM! KICK THEM! :| < 1266165951 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're cool < 1266165953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do o < 1266165954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1266165954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1266165954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1266165954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1266165954 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much abotu them < 1266165958 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :educate me < 1266165960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i never get banned < 1266165961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're allowed, because you're cool < 1266165963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1266165971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say awesome stuff in the non-oing interims < 1266165980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you don't copy-paste "SPAM" you handcraft every o < 1266165982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every single o < 1266165984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's even truer i guess < 1266165985 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1266165989 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric languages are cool < 1266165992 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know much abotu them < 1266165994 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :educate me < 1266166010 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I seriously make the same typo twice? < 1266166014 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pathetic < 1266166040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd tell you about good ones but they're all functional < 1266166061 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know much about functional languages either < 1266166062 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266166068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume Freenode's guidelines mean I should have been more of a "catalyst" somehow there, but I suck at chemistry.) < 1266166133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Functional programming is simple, but unlike what you're used to. < 1266166142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one's gone < 1266166146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but base3 is holding the fort < 1266166148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storing energy < 1266166149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a pokemon < 1266166151 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the basic concept < 1266166156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional programming deals with true functions. That is, they map from input values to an output value. < 1266166159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's it. < 1266166163 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266166175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think blatant intentional spam and trolling is meant to be dealt with BLOOD < 1266166181 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's at the level of the actual language that I really hate dealing with < 1266166197 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially purely fucntional ones < 1266166201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because you're not used to dealing with the abstractions is all. < 1266166217 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1266166235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, but that'd be *increasing the channel temperature*! And I don't want to get all sweaty here. < 1266166237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn you some Haskell. < 1266166243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(delicious, delicious Haskell) < 1266166250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said he started then gave up < 1266166257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Lame. < 1266166262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1266166312 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it for five ffreaking weeks < 1266166312 0 :MissPiggy!~none@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1266166315 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-f < 1266166320 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just couldn't get anything done with it < 1266166320 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266166326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Weak. < 1266166341 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome story < 1266166351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep on doing it. < 1266166388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: You did not learn Haskell. < 1266166390 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I do address[size] < 1266166392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You learned Haskell's syntax, yes. < 1266166394 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or size[address] < 1266166399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You learned how it relates to imperative languages. < 1266166406 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1266166408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that you don't seem to grok lambda, doesn't seem like you learned much. < 1266166408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you never made the transition from programming in an imperative language then converting it to Haskell, < 1266166410 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I learned was the syntax < 1266166413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to someone who programs and thinks directly in Haskell. < 1266166420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: then how did you compile a thing? < 1266166426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had to have some understanding of the semantics, however wrong and weak. < 1266166427 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't :D < 1266166439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax was pretty easy... < 1266166442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you were foolish to program in a language < 1266166460 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266166462 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I was < 1266166483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any language. < 1266166489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266166493 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolp < 1266166529 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1266166545 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with boat, should I do address[size] or size[address]? < 1266166562 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either one causes problems - either with casting or with arrays < 1266166581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do those mean? < 1266166589 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addressing of memory < 1266166590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly [] should be commutative. < 1266166618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: make it swap when going left or right < 1266166622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you always write it one way in the source < 1266166623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266166637 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are four directions < 1266166641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie foo[bar] or ]bar[foo < 1266166648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's always foo[bar] in the source if you go at it left or right < 1266166656 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for doing ]bar[ by the way < 1266166661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: here, it's just you'd need to know how these lambdas are actually used http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p214535314.txt < 1266166671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#i are just argument numbers < 1266166682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "ski apply" < 1266166695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that isn't a nested structure :< < 1266166706 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C, (char)*address would be address[16] with address[size] < 1266166710 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a big endianmachine < 1266166713 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+space < 1266166719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what? < 1266166721 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how the boat thing goes < 1266166724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: or size[address] < 1266166726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x[y] = *(x+y) < 1266166730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+y = y+x < 1266166730 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size address would be < 1266166733 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16[address] < 1266166735 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1266166739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∴ y[x] = x[y] < 1266166749 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what? < 1266166760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor kiddy doesn't know C < 1266166762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: ok, in C < 1266166763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x[y] is sugar for < 1266166765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(x + y) < 1266166767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know that < 1266166769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x + y = y + x < 1266166769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1266166772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore < 1266166775 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I didn't know it was C < 1266166776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(x + y) = *(y + x) < 1266166777 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266166781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since x[y] is *(x + y) < 1266166782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what do you mean it's not a nested structure? < 1266166784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y[x] = x[y] < 1266166786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore < 1266166792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1["abc"] = 'b' < 1266166800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well it looks like it's printing parts of the ast separately < 1266166802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm wrong < 1266166810 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never used strings like that but OKAY < 1266166891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there's no one ast, running the result isn't just calling one functino < 1266166892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*function < 1266166894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is < 1266166903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1266166910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the logic isn't in the core language < 1266166912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, that code looks remarkably compact < 1266166915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the actual application < 1266166922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ski right < 1266166927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can explain what it actually does < 1266166932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the ski apply function < 1266166941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's compacted everything into one? < 1266166948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just referencing out < 1266166955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this could be transformed into haskell really easily < 1266166959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the untypedness < 1266166968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a feeling compiled clue code could be very fast < 1266166973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p116522211.txt <<< slightly clearer, although not much < 1266166988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should make an ffi there instead of trying to formulate a function, it tries to find one based on the guesses :D < 1266166990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does condition, and chooses branch based on the result < 1266166999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have some sort of representation of io, so you can say like < 1266167008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo" -> output "foo\n" < 1266167009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base branch (i) means if the cond result is i, run this base branch < 1266167014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fun < 1266167025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subast(0,0):['car', ['cdr', '#0']] < 1266167025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main ast: '#1' < 1266167027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah i see < 1266167047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subast(i,j) means find for subcall i the argument number j < 1266167068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1266167078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can it infer ackermann < 1266167087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah it could be transformed into something haskellish sure. < 1266167092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously it can infer ackermann < 1266167107 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1266167108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it's obviously tc but i wonder if you can infer any tc function directly ie without interpreting :) < 1266167111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do it functionally, you can do it cluely, it just might be a big pain in the ass < 1266167121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i find simple functions nicer to write in this than functionally < 1266167154 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e(e))you can nest expressions - 2D flow and tests and execution included for major FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1266167164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't know how much you can do "directly", not that that's a very precise thing to ask < 1266167165 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q[n] WHEN GOING RIGHT OR DOWN access memory at address q with n bits in size < 1266167166 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q[n] WHEN GOING LEFT OR UP access memory at address n with q bits in size - when going left it'd look like ]n[q for note. < 1266167183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all sufficiently complicated list interpreter blah blah and so on < 1266167187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lisp < 1266167212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read that as a set of words that you can fit in a sentence as homework) < 1266167269 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make it so that it's little endian if you're going left or up! < 1266167272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait even if you infer ski < 1266167276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to infer a function that calls it < 1266167282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1266167284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even if you have ski, you may not be able to cause it to be called in an arbitrary way < 1266167286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well wait < 1266167289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you 'run' a clue program < 1266167294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't decided ! :D < 1266167294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you define a main function and punch values into it on the cli? < 1266167298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah prolly < 1266167302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1266167307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you had to make one inferred function < 1266167308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say main < 1266167318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where basically < 1266167320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's always called with like 0 < 1266167323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result value was what is output < 1266167327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1266167328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1266167333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1266167337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's always called with the user input < 1266167339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a list of chars (ints) < 1266167347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to find a way to parse and call ski arbitrarily from that < 1266167354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you may not be able to infer arbitrary calls to ski < 1266167362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even if you have an ski impl, if you go by my route it may not be tc! < 1266167366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you'd have to parse, and parsing is inherently quite mutual in its recursion < 1266167374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the way i usually do it < 1266167379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I mean < 1266167391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue may not be able to infer the actual call to eval ski(x) < 1266167460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? just say "if main gets [1, 2, 3] as input, it should parse that input and call ski with it" < 1266167490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's depth 2 inference, and will happen in less than a second < 1266167491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm misunderstanding something < 1266167493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let me understand the ski apply function < 1266167570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1266167837 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should I deal with input? < 1266167892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have there be a certain location in space where characters, as they are inputted, appear; each cycle, they go down one position < 1266167894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fountain of input < 1266167902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not argue with me, this is an excellent idea < 1266167907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going down until you reach a character works as ungetc < 1266167914 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about multiple inputs? < 1266167949 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I COULD send press and release statements < 1266167965 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that works < 1266168015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha you actually like that idea? < 1266168018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was half joking but i like it too < 1266168025 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like it < 1266168046 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can't find a way to deal with the whole "new memory area" concept :P < 1266168052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an area of main memory < 1266168060 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could ruin stuff, though < 1266168067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p641555462.txt < 1266168067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some ugly pseudohaskell for ya < 1266168105 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely understand < 1266168114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski type also does a major part of this < 1266168152 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the types are 0 = do nothing, 1 = apply i, 2 = apply k, 3 = apply s, 4 = at least depth 4, first recurse on the first element of list, then retry evaluating this < 1266168164 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just let the program TEST for input of a certain character < 1266168170 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do I do that withotu a function? < 1266168172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was hell to infer btw :P < 1266168184 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't want to fuck with things like that with a 2D language < 1266168190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think it's more insight to clue than that code there is < 1266168202 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking abotu boat < 1266168203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it's sort of neat < 1266168206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't have written the program better myself, really < 1266168231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: sorry i'm so excited about my own thing i mostly ignore boat and logread it every few minutes :| < 1266168241 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1266168250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean my life finally has meaning < 1266168255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue is the shit < 1266168259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should make it do de bruijn indexes < 1266168272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what you mean < 1266168279 0 :lifthrasiir!GqHN8XqU@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1266168279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k is \\2, s is \\\2 0 (1 0) < 1266168284 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266168301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. currying, lambdas have no variable names, var 0 = closest lambda's arg < 1266168304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var 1 = second-closest < 1266168304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1266168315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to do alpha-conversion because it's a nop < 1266168319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just use a stack to implement it < 1266168325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm basically doing exactly that < 1266168328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and syntactic equality = structural equality < 1266168331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nah because you have < 1266168334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\#0 #1 -> #0) as K < 1266168344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of (\\#1) < 1266168350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names of vars change as you nest deeper < 1266168357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just use a stack < 1266168357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah i'm not doing that in the haskell representation i did manually < 1266168359 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anser when you're not tied up etc, but: What syntax do I use for checking if a character is being pressed < 1266168364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right < 1266168369 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer* < 1266168371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: don't, use the fountain < 1266168377 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fountain is broken < 1266168384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual "ast" field of the branch representing k is "#0" < 1266168403 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like playing solitare where you can't skip cards < 1266168426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell thing is just in case you want to see how the crappy "ast" currently spouted by the compiler maps to meaning < 1266168464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ooh I know < 1266168493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: compile it to http://www.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~eb/epic.php; basically, it's the strict untyped-apart-from-some-conveniences-like-ints lambda calculus (with optional laziness) < 1266168501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the special thing is that the compiler tries really hard to produce really fast code < 1266168507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can say < 1266168520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clue: So it takes 9 seconds to compile S I I (S I I), but it executes in 8. < 1266168535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized it'd be incredibly trivial to change it to output that < 1266168551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define that < 1266168554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic or haskelly < 1266168559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean so trivial it's basically just changing some of the constant strings < 1266168628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how would "(\#0 #1 #2 -> pair #1 #2) #0 sub3res1 sub3res2" look like? < 1266168648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking just like (pair #1 #2) @ #0 sub3res1 sub3res2 < 1266168654 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1266168670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise pretty much exactly the syntax i have now < 1266168673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean in epic? < 1266168680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is (\ a b -> c) curried in yours? < 1266168682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it not matter? < 1266168723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SII doesn't execute in 8 seconds < 1266168723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SII(SII) < 1266168728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke < 1266168738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still haven't said whether you're talking about epic or something else < 1266168806 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://64.vg/uot < 1266168817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ??? < 1266168839 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimized Boat < 1266168847 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1266168863 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1266168870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i don't know what that would change < 1266168887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well epic can actually compile things to efficient C code as opposed to your pseudocode which can't :P < 1266168897 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no higher-order functions < 1266168903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1266168906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with epic you don't even have lambda < 1266168910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a supercombinator compiler < 1266168958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm getting the feeling you're ignoring me < 1266168971 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about me < 1266168972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't it? < 1266168975 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k < 1266168981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why can't epic have lambdas? < 1266168993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's meant as a target language, so you're meant to have lambda-lifted already. however clue does not require lambdas < 1266168995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think < 1266169032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the only values in clue are lists and ints aren't they < 1266169054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are supercombinators < 1266169075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda expressions with no free variables containing no lambdas < 1266169084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. flat lambdas < 1266169118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably compiling to epic would be nicer than compiling to C, but i could just not to either. < 1266169157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it saves you writing an evaluator < 1266169163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p641555462.txt is literally a stone's throw away from epic < 1266169213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sub1res = (\#0 -> car cdr #0) #0 < 1266169214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1266169218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make sense? < 1266169219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's cdr's car < 1266169337 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about that simplified boat < 1266169346 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er minimalized < 1266169375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 => (\#0, #1, #2, #3 -> #3) #0 sub3res1 sub3res2 sub3res3 < 1266169378 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have figured out how one one could compute discrete coordinates in presence of wormholes.... < 1266169380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this "calls" (evaluates) sub3res3 right? < 1266169384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ignores the rest < 1266169463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Y'know, I think most of the evaluation time in my SKI evaluator is the garbage collection. < 1266169500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay my lag is too big for ircing < 1266169530 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: How close connection is to being unstable? < 1266169555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266169560 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266169581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i meant clue doesn't have any higher-order stuff < 1266169593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p216431545.txt here's what I think your program would look like in Epic < 1266169643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*case ski_type(_0) < 1266169702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue needs tail call optimisation right? < 1266169706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least tail recursion < 1266169710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a real term? < 1266169715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a real term? < 1266169721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case that's what i have < 1266169726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1266169732 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail_recursion ? < 1266169737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he knows what tail recursion is < 1266169740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what real term? < 1266169759 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiight < 1266169768 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail call optimization? < 1266169809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are subcomputations that are called with the main computation's arguments and each others outputs, so they are sorta lambdas, but the structure is always the same, so they aren't very real < 1266169809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: is flat lambda a real term < 1266169809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, 400 seconds lag < 1266169814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: This is actually easy to explain in C. < 1266169823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no they're really called supercombinators < 1266169828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void foo(){printf("Foo!\n");foo();} < 1266169831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also did you just get that recently? i translated you whole program into epic in that time < 1266169843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because foo() is the last thing called, the function does not need to be returned to. < 1266169855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the compiler can not keep around the stack frame. < 1266169862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of "call foo", it can just do "jmp foo". < 1266169867 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266169871 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit < 1266169890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, tail recursive functions are easily compiled into loops. < 1266169934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"alise: sub1res = (\#0 -> car cdr #0) #0" <<< sorry car (cdr #0) < 1266169935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"alise: this "calls" (evaluates) sub3res3 right?" <<< yes < 1266169944 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail calls can be compiled into jumps < 1266169946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right I fixed that. http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p216431545.txt just to repeat < 1266169948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p216431545.txt http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p216431545.txt http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p216431545.txt < 1266169948 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more general than < 1266169948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p216431545.txt < 1266169951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't < 1266169951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p216431545.txt < 1266169952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :miss it < 1266169952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p216431545.txt < 1266169955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the next flood you get < 1266169994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only values are, at least now, ints and lists. < 1266170025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/824546.txt?key=ri1rc17yhlciscu01zkog < 1266170025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/824546.txt?key=ri1rc17yhlciscu01zkog < 1266170026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/824546.txt?key=ri1rc17yhlciscu01zkog < 1266170026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/824546.txt?key=ri1rc17yhlciscu01zkog < 1266170026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/824546.txt?key=ri1rc17yhlciscu01zkog < 1266170027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C version < 1266170030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Yes, but tail calls that aren't tail recursion are less common. < 1266170039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I disagree < 1266170042 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1266170042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely recurse < 1266170043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though continuation-passing style does it all the bloody time) < 1266170059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail recurse that is < 1266170059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"alise: clue needs tail call optimisation right?" <<< yes, although i'm fine with not having it for now. < 1266170064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Explicitly. < 1266170066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my tail calls are non-recursion < 1266170072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. < 1266170079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think epic almost certainly does TCO < 1266170082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still pretty darned common. < 1266170085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://pastie.org/824546.txt?key=ri1rc17yhlciscu01zkog will do tco if you put it through gcc :P < 1266170090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O3 will probably unroll all the functions there < 1266170120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, GCC does TCO rather nicely. < 1266170153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"alise: oklopol: also did you just get that recently? i translated you whole program into epic in that time" <<< i got it with about a 5 minute lag. < 1266170163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the lag is less now < 1266170173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though things like "longjmp" break it) < 1266170203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting my C version through gcc will probably result in http://pastie.org/824550.txt?key=kwk16wfca7b8zitdyh59ew < 1266170206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you give it -O3 < 1266170211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will also tail-call optimise it < 1266170220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making it pretty much as efficient a compilation as possible < 1266170223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fski_type(_0) < 1266170496 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about minimizing boat < 1266170732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how much a super-optimising compiler should evaluate code
< 1266170735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to IO: no, nontermination < 1266170746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only what it can prove total: large mathematical program would take years < 1266170757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need something just below < 1266170759 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1266170760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. everything trivially total < 1266170774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some way of measuring how "complicated" something is to eval < 1266170783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything it can prove total whose complicatedness is below a certain threshold < 1266170826 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to an inability to deduce a smaller way to do something < 1266170844 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point it should assume brute-force status! < 1266170985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: is that actual epic code? could i just translate to exactly that? because that would indeed be trivial < 1266171002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well there's no actual spec I just base dit on this: http://www-fp.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~eb/darcs/EpiVM/examples/testprog.e < 1266171013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it has actual ints btw so ignore the fact that that defines them itsellf < 1266171014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itself < 1266171016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(albeit using 0 and 1) < 1266171025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do your lists just do Con head (Con head ()) < 1266171029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and case on that < 1266171035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, per my knowledge of epic, that should work < 1266171054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1266171057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my types were wrong though < 1266171060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data isn't correct < 1266171062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be Any < 1266171068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it may be data and it may be an int < 1266171072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, s/Data/Any/g in my program < 1266171088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but according to my understanding of epic, yes, that should work. < 1266171117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want http://pastie.org/824546.txt?key=ri1rc17yhlciscu01zkog with gcc -O3 should compile to something competent as well < 1266171123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically identical code < 1266171127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic probably does more lambday optimisations though < 1266171133 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/VIDEOS/fire_control_computer_1.html < 1266171137 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is sooooooooooooooo sexy < 1266171229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: in the language in http://www.jucs.org/jucs_10_7/total_functional_programming/jucs_10_07_0751_0768_turner.pdf you never have to prove totality right? < 1266171232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler can do it in all cases < 1266171246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: also i forgot one tiny thing: you have to actually recurse on the subcases :D < 1266171263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, you didn't do that, so there :) < 1266171268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: btw why do you have all those useless functions? < 1266171273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just inline them all? < 1266171284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an absolutely trivial transformation, after all < 1266171290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what useless functions? < 1266171294 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: I saw that URL and just assumed it was Eugene Lee's Lover :P < 1266171298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: all the _ski stuff < 1266171310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ditto < 1266171314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (in mine) < 1266171316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in the where clause < 1266171318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can inline every single one < 1266171404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can, but that would've been much less illustrative imo < 1266171485 0 :Libster!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266171486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but faster < 1266171492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Libster is still banned right? < 1266171496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe changed ident < 1266171506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"faster"? < 1266171506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1266171512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: less function calls < 1266171512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster to read? i don't think so < 1266171522 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 74-102 last I checked < 1266171527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying when you have something like http://pastie.org/824546.txt?key=ri1rc17yhlciscu01zkog < 1266171537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _ski functions are useless < 1266171540 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+q *!*@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] < 1266171549 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1266171551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take the expr inside return X; and replace the call with it < 1266171599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no function calls, any decent thing would optimize them away; and i don't have _ski functions, i have lambdas to show what info each computation in the where clause needs < 1266171638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just drop the lambda, but you couldn't see what computations are based on what computations, as clearly < 1266171645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lambdas < 1266171705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need to show what info it needs? just curious < 1266171710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just compiler output after all < 1266171714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted you to know :D < 1266171723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right well i'm talking about for when it actually compiles :P < 1266171748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not considering doing that right now, just compiling for human reading < 1266171752 0 :thermoplyae!~ecpeterso@c-98-228-49-203.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266171758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1266171770 0 :thermoplyae!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266171774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if i just changed it a bit so it's actually haskell, it'd be a nice compilation for computers too < 1266171774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thermoplyae :o < 1266171832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because it won't type in haskell prolly < 1266171839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't express all ski exprs in haskell < 1266171886 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1266171891 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see Libster in the ban list? < 1266171899 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a +q < 1266171900 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a +b < 1266171901 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does irssi not show the ban list correctly? < 1266171906 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+q *!*@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] < 1266171932 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought those showed up in the ban list, just hade a % in front < 1266171935 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*had < 1266171947 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk lol < 1266171952 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1266171963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+q is like the happy friendly form of +b < 1266171973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look but don't touch! < 1266171997 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266172015 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's neither happy nor friendly < 1266172050 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than genocide < 1266172122 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So about that Boat minimalization while still being somewhat easy to use < 1266172129 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1266172241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter segfaults when I compute something like fact 100000000. < 1266172241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because stack checks are not enabled by default. < 1266172241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266172247 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1266172274 0 :base3!~rk@host81-141-232-7.wlms-broadband.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266172311 0 :MigoMipo!~MigoMipo@84-217-5-122.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266172314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol poor fools trying again < 1266172328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: are they actually that determined :) < 1266172331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are their irc clients just rejoining < 1266172339 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266172495 0 :base3__!~rk@host81-141-232-119.wlms-broadband.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266172518 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: firstly don't think i can't evade a ban if i want to < 1266172533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit < 1266172536 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly how can you be in this channel and not know what car of cdr is? < 1266172541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what car of cdr is < 1266172543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote "car cdr x" < 1266172545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he meant "car (cdr x)" < 1266172551 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266172556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know whether that was some special semantics for Clue functions < 1266172557 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise you don't undestand CAR or CDR < 1266172560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether it was a mistake < 1266172563 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ISP only randomixes the least significant byte < 1266172565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he informed me it was the latter < 1266172570 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: flase < 1266172574 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false* < 1266172574 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise stop acting like you know lisp < 1266172579 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1266172643 0 :base3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266172691 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://64.vg/uot What can I do to make there be less stuff here, without making asinine requirements for some simple things? < 1266172871 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: +qs showed up in the ban list for freenode's old ircd, but they're different things in this new "seven". < 1266172923 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just do /mode +q to see the +qs < 1266172954 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lying < 1266172971 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on some ircds that would kill the channel < 1266172991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya is having a hard time with this trolling thing < 1266172993 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: just do /quit #channel to kill a channel on this version < 1266173009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sigh
< 1266173021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are we going to play cat and mouse or staring contest < 1266173024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta be one or the other < 1266173025 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do /quit alise to quit someone who is annoying you < 1266173034 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base3, I'm not retarded < 1266173036 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1266173046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either they evade and we re-ban, or we wait until they get bored < 1266173057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, they're probably already bored if they think trolling us is productive. < 1266173059 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes to the same thing really < 1266173066 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!*@host81-141--*.wlms-broadband.com < 1266173067 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if any of the regulars in this channel were ops. < 1266173070 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!*@host81-141-*-*.wlms-broadband.com < 1266173071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fizzie is < 1266173075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he banned them earlier, and is here right now < 1266173085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ban @*.wlms-broadband.com < 1266173091 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's assholish < 1266173094 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43 < base3__> or do /quit alise to quit someone who is annoying you < 1266173096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and foolproof < 1266173098 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys I think he might be a hacker < 1266173098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quited, not banned. Still. < 1266173100 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so watch out < 1266173106 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Haw < 1266173108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he goes to a friend's house; if he does that, we can just laugh at him i guess < 1266173115 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quieted, I mean. Heh. < 1266173116 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen i told you how to check the quiet list < 1266173117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: planned course of action? < 1266173122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who runs the channel, as far as ChanServ's concerned? < 1266173127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think lament < 1266173128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the founder isn't around any more. < 1266173129 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't trolling it was genuinely being helpfu; < 1266173130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be aardappel < 1266173133 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is second. < 1266173136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah. < 1266173142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base3__: Seriously, what do you think we are, idiots? < 1266173144 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Wareya starting talking nonsense so i played along with him < 1266173147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're honestly going to have to troll far better than that. < 1266173154 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1266173161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1266173165 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya, yeah you are going to have to troll much better than that < 1266173168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament was set to inherit. < 1266173170 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you really think that /mode +q with no args doesnt give you the list of quiets?? < 1266173182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plz just ban eir isp < 1266173183 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the gospel truth < 1266173185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or quieten it, whatever < 1266173190 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it in another channel < 1266173191 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll? < 1266173192 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're fucking kidding me < 1266173192 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's completely serious, /mode +q shows the quiet list < 1266173192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can add exceptions later if anyone else actually uses it... < 1266173204 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:46 < MissPiggy> Wareya, yeah you are going to have to troll much better than that < 1266173205 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya, this is no laughing matter < 1266173208 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, what? < 1266173224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: i think you're taking this a little too seriously < 1266173232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're letting the terr--trolls win < 1266173234 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i'm going to repeatedly come back in here to wind you guys up tbh < 1266173244 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not as entertaining as you seem to think you are < 1266173247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's wound up, i'm just prodding fizzie to ban your isp < 1266173250 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's time for virtuchuck. < 1266173257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely. < 1266173261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out we don't try and be entertaining when people are just going to shit on your conversations < 1266173262 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use a protein shake < 1266173267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ooh, make it trigger on every single line he says! < 1266173268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have a plan. Maybe he'll behave, though; things have been much more discussioney so far, even if the discussion is not an especially interesting one. < 1266173271 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:46 -!- 0 - #esoteric: ban *!*@host81-141-232-7.wlms-broadband.com [by ChanServ!ChanServ@services., 7348 secs ago] < 1266173272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base3__: We entertain ourselves quite well. :) < 1266173274 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:46 -!- 0 - #esoteric: ban *!*@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net [by ChanServ!ChanServ@services., 7352 secs ago] < 1266173274 0 :virtuchuck!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266173274 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we don't do friendly ai right.. < 1266173277 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what /mode +q shows < 1266173280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: THEN WHAT?! < 1266173281 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Chuck norris once ate a whole cake before his friends could tell him there was a stripper in it. < 1266173284 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck chuck is tlaking about friendly ai < 1266173289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: it listens to us < 1266173302 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: what was that about friendly ai? < 1266173302 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: What was that about friendly ai. < 1266173303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Welcome to Markov chains. < 1266173311 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: Compare Chuck Norris to base3__. < 1266173312 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 3 Laws or weaker system. < 1266173314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1266173316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: < 1266173316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266173328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: You have to repeat what I said just now. < 1266173328 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals chuck norris once ate a whole cake before his friends could tell him there was a stripper in it. < 1266173353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is this chuck a friend of yours? < 1266173354 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean an a-list? < 1266173372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the bots. < 1266173373 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1266173378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wonderful, wonderful bots. < 1266173383 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If fungot talks at the wrong time, they'll get into an infinite loop :P < 1266173384 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well when i am around people, but inconsistency is part of the system that's used for work now, so need only decide when to do which < 1266173385 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: AI < 1266173385 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: If we don't do friendly ai right.. < 1266173386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A-List bots :D < 1266173394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`c printf("Hey, I can talk too!\n") < 1266173394 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266173397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: poop < 1266173398 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's freaking technology improving itself. < 1266173399 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1266173404 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol < 1266173406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck: Poop is self-improving technology? < 1266173407 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's freaking technology improving itself. < 1266173409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... No output. < 1266173414 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuchuck has just learned about the singularity for the first time < 1266173416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266173420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fungot has an anti-loop thing on the chat side, though. < 1266173423 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now he's obsessing < 1266173428 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Good :P < 1266173431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he thinks it's faeces though < 1266173434 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I preferred virtuLORD. < 1266173435 0 :virtuchuck!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1266173439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Hey, I can talk too!\n") < 1266173441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blend the two < 1266173446 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I can talk too! < 1266173448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the LORD said, inject your protein shakes < 1266173449 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I can talk too! < 1266173454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT < 1266173454 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I can talk too! < 1266173456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But HackEgo cannot. < 1266173471 0 :virtuLORD!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266173471 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baltasar's profane banquet: his sentence is welcome to the law, or the hired man that is since lost. < 1266173473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I just realised something. < 1266173481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The old hobby of trying to break EgoBot has gone away. < 1266173491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: blend virtulord and virtuchuck now. < 1266173497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a while ago. < 1266173498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okidoke, will do. < 1266173500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266173506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're better at IRC bots. :P < 1266173523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a bible-trained fungot speaker somewhere, but I don't think I put it in the bot. < 1266173524 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: look at all the oo is fnord. insist on using modern regexps even though they are not < 1266173531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1266173531 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1266173536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern regexps are indeed not regular expressions < 1266173543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OO is indeed smoke and mirrors!! < 1266173550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, none of those look very biblical to me. < 1266173563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc* < 1266173564 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1266173569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses. < 1266173588 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The * is just the current-selection-marker there. < 1266173630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1266173650 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style.^ < 1266173653 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1266173655 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc.^ < 1266173655 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1266173657 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1266173659 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc.* < 1266173659 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1266173660 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suclk < 1266173662 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck < 1266173666 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SUCK < 1266173725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sulk. < 1266173732 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq < 1266173738 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just nearly crashed my system trying to combine them :P < 1266173749 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roflolticas < 1266173922 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuLORD: Give us the good news! < 1266173922 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And he that received the news heli falleth backward and not to resist evil, etc. . .What is prophetically delivered here, and in the book out of the lord driveth on. < 1266173938 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amen. < 1266174256 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q[n] WHEN GOING RIGHT OR DOWN access memory at bit address q with n bits in size - big endian, size 3 of address 4 would occupy address 2 3 and 4 < 1266174259 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q[n] WHEN GOING LEFT OR UP access memory at bit address n with q bits in size - little endian, size 3 of address 4 would occupy address 4 5 and 6 - note that when going left it would look like ]n[q < 1266174263 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q[n][m] WHEN GOING RIGHT OR UP access slot m of array starting at the memory suited to q and n with a little endian style array - for lower values of m the address is lower < 1266174266 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q[n][m] WHEN GOING LEFT OR DOWN access slot m of array starting at the memory suited to q and n with a little endian style array - for lower values of m the address is higher < 1266174269 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266174271 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266174300 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having looked at the language at all except for what you just pasted, reminds me slightly of 2L. < 1266174312 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://64.vg/src/48029a6eda8165c6d5a5b6f71a785f1e/raw < 1266174317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, in that it has different actions depending on direction. < 1266174321 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to minimalize Boat < 1266174329 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Boat < 1266174330 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this boat < 1266174559 0 :Quadrescence!~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1266174594 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello is this a channel about esoteric programming languages like java < 1266174606 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266174639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk hyuk < 1266174653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java doesn't seem all that esoteric. < 1266174664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it does have many an odd design feature, it is extremely well-known. < 1266174673 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like perl < 1266174696 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is "how well known" a metric for being esoteric? < 1266174698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Except Perl is entirely composed of odd design features. < 1266174704 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266174709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: Somewhat, yes. < 1266174718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: Esoteric implies both "odd" and "unknown". < 1266174733 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etymologically speaking, how well known and used it is should be the only metric, but it's not :P < 1266174751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Heheh. < 1266174753 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think BF is somewhat well known' < 1266174763 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I will present a counter-example. Vala is not a very well known language, yet it is not esoteric. BCPL as well. < 1266174767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Yes, but well known *soley for being odd*. < 1266174783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: They're intended for serious use, and as such aren't all that odd. < 1266174815 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So being well known or not doesn't qualify as a metric for being esoteric it seems. < 1266174818 0 :base3__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 'esoteric' is an antonym of 'serious'? < 1266174846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base3__: To an extent. < 1266174858 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mindrape < 1266174956 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind rape? < 1266174961 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind rape < 1266174973 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a yes-or-no question. < 1266174981 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind rape < 1266175019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Still yes-or-no. < 1266175024 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind rape < 1266175037 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean yes < 1266175076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pushes the "mind rape" buttonb
< 1266175092 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this channel an antonym for serious? < 1266175108 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind rape < 1266175110 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean yes < 1266175189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: Yes. < 1266175201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we are capable of being serious. < 1266175207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, that is not the raison d'etre. < 1266175215 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e/e) division < 1266175218 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID I DO THAT < 1266175219 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFJ@#e-0fu@VQ@U()A < 1266175835 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, this is my last draft before bed < 1266175836 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://64.vg/src/fad448fab17d0b8f569a451741adbd07/raw < 1266175838 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1266175891 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1266176117 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, or I can procrastinate sleep. < 1266176161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only master procrastination properly when you can procrastinate breathing. < 1266176176 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1266176188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there are side effects < 1266176190 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new year's resolution < 1266176196 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was to make one next year < 1266176218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can always put that off another year < 1266176218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine was to not make a resolution. < 1266176222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always fail at it. < 1266176245 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an okymoronic irony! < 1266176250 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxymoronic* < 1266176326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear that once you can procrastinate breathing, you very quickly will be able to procrastinate _anything_. in fact you'll be unable not to. except decomposing. < 1266176350 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yeah. < 1266176480 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am procrastinating procrastinating working on this, < 1266176493 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1266176559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be able to procrastinate P and not P at the same time, that is the essence of zen. or perhaps anti-zen, i'm not sure. < 1266176571 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1266176599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Zen is both zen and anti-zen. < 1266176606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the essence of zen. < 1266176614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1266176729 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can minimalize this anymore < 1266176976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimalise a butt butt < 1266177065 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a butt butt is as low as a butt < 1266177117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying butts are idempotent? < 1266177136 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266177169 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what abotu the idiot bird < 1266177172 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mocking bird < 1266177454 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya, if the forest has, for every particular birds A and B, another bird C who will reply A's reply to B's reply when you call to it i.e. Cx = A(Bx) -- and the forest has a mockingbird too -- can you show for every bird in the forest it is fond* of some other bird i.e. QF = F (F may depend on Q) < 1266177484 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Q is fond of F means QF = F) < 1266177495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was a mockingbird again < 1266177503 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mx = xx < 1266177531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so M and composition < 1266177540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1266177544 0 :virtuLORD!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266177556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: congrats you just made everything super complex :D < 1266177557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not saying there is a combinator for making C, just that C exists < 1266177577 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you convert that to C I'll be able to do it :D < 1266177582 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan yes < 1266177588 0 :virtuhird!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266177589 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ican do a blocking read it'll wait until the process id, modulo something. < 1266177592 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya, that means you are giving up? < 1266177601 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only half understand what you're saying < 1266177605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_i_ haven't < 1266177613 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still no Virtugeo :( < 1266177626 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo dawg, I heard you like Hird, so I put a Hird in your herd so you can Hird while you heard! < 1266177627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i understand how fixpoints are usually constructed from M < 1266177630 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because of the metaphor of birds < 1266177632 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266177651 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made virtuhird exclusively to say that line. < 1266177653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: just s/bird/combinator/g < 1266177665 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on linux < 1266177674 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running IRSSI through SSH < 1266177674 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya, well this IS a difficult problem -- but the solution can be got in a methodical way < 1266177674 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(infact there's two methodical ways to get the solution that I know of) < 1266177732 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can you show for every bird in the forest it is fond of some other bird" < 1266177735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: <3 < 1266177735 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And it seems more common than (2*3)+4. < 1266177741 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not understand < 1266177744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: Marry me. < 1266177744 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Marry him a few ssh tricks you can give you into a file * can you? < 1266177753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird < 1266177753 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhurd: 0/0 < 1266177756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: < 1266177759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177760 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Solution: kill ancestors. < 1266177767 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1266177767 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhurd: <3 0/0 < 1266177768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how can i tell it "give me everything" < 1266177770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix f = (\x -> f (x x)) (\x -> f (x x)) < 1266177772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is it listening to me or us? < 1266177780 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhurd: Marry me. < 1266177780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it's not just virtuhird :< < 1266177781 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you < 1266177786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean for its db < 1266177788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you include tusho and alise < 1266177790 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh idk < 1266177793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ehird` < 1266177802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: tusho no, alise yes, ehird` no. < 1266177811 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: However, I had to cut it short, so really alise no :P < 1266177816 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brain was getting too big. < 1266177829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like me < 1266177831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why is it dead < 1266177833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: Poop < 1266177833 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Poop ovulates over poop. < 1266177841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how can I tell it "just give me anything" < 1266177841 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1266177846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i actually said that :) < 1266177855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't think hal.pl has such a feature :( < 1266177859 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: < 1266177862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177862 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, memes get killed off extremely quickly and efficiently. < 1266177864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177865 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: A tiny backtrace snippet from the base class. < 1266177867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177867 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow up ts fid vid ttp. < 1266177870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177870 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Lalalla sudo vi /etc/thttpd/thttpd.conf. < 1266177872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177872 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I was just being flippant. < 1266177874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177874 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Bloatzilla, then, i assume. < 1266177876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177876 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That makes no sense when i say '?' i mean 'something else. < 1266177879 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agg, stop < 1266177879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1266177882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i love it < 1266177883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does /msg work < 1266177886 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1266177899 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: e < 1266177900 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Eyoyanaka <- e, o and a space. < 1266177908 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that? <_> < 1266177909 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird, PSOX < 1266177910 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Sgeo: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be the first okoperformancescript. < 1266177915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I did. < 1266177916 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did she < 1266177917 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266177924 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177924 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: P seems most logical explanation and i will talk mor ewhen you return. < 1266177928 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird, PSOX < 1266177929 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: . < 1266177930 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Gregorr: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename. < 1266177932 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Damn i want it to zy3jkanfka. < 1266177937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename." < 1266177937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266177939 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: rage < 1266177939 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Ehird@ehird-desktop:~$ bzr branch http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/cfunge. < 1266177945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Sgeo_: Gregorr: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename. < 1266177946 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :130| Sgeo_: Gregorr: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename. < 1266177959 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266177959 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like ehird. < 1266177966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: sex < 1266177966 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ais523: gay sex is not of the race because its names aren't all meaningless 2-character gibberish with \s and .s everywhere. < 1266177972 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: rage < 1266177973 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Ehird@ehird-desktop:~$ bzr branch http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/bzr/cfunge. < 1266177980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: fuck < 1266177980 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ha ha ha what the fuck, a 2 minute long guide on how to actually write anything useful. < 1266177984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: fuck < 1266177984 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And the paddles speed up most programs a lot - coderay sucks. What the fuck we want, make your parameters self-describing. < 1266177988 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: esoteric < 1266177988 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck.php or the variable's value? < 1266177996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: fuck < 1266177996 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Fuck you haskellers and your local copy? < 1266177999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: fuck < 1266178000 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: audio < 1266178000 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Anmaster: fuck off if i removed the bottom right. < 1266178001 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Which e.g. Copying audio data from many folders: cd, operation, cd, operation. < 1266178004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: fuck < 1266178005 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: + And | are... Whatever the fuck up. < 1266178007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this is perfect < 1266178008 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you could tell megahal "Forget a bunch of what you know" :P < 1266178009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wareya: Ehird@ehird-desktop:~$ bzr branch http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/bzr/cfunge. <-- outdated url < 1266178009 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: qwerty < 1266178010 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Qwerty-5 = identity. < 1266178016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no this is so amazing < 1266178021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: >_< < 1266178025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: viruanmaster, now < 1266178026 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:06 < virtuhird> Wareya: Qwerty-5 = identity. < 1266178028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*virtuanmaster < 1266178029 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENIUS < 1266178031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, irritating highlight spam bot that (in practise) < 1266178034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: nono, so I could feasibly feed it the latest you. < 1266178037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266178040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter this is great < 1266178040 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: , < 1266178041 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Since there's no reason other than my old, crusty computer though ... That thing was broken an hour or so ago. < 1266178043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now make one for anmaster < 1266178053 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: complex < 1266178053 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm building Sgeo_, since he kept complaining :P < 1266178053 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: Oh noes the joke by interpreting something as complex as hell. < 1266178061 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. < 1266178061 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wareya: It's just that my frog can't eh. < 1266178070 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1266178078 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1266178082 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1266178083 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. < 1266178094 0 :Wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it respond to that < 1266178380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: fuck you < 1266178380 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: They can be claimed and worked for me i don't wanna fuck with my eyes, i guess. < 1266178382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :|? < 1266178384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266178387 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1266178390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: AnMaster < 1266178390 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Don't worry, anmaster is talking about g. < 1266178393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: AnMaster < 1266178393 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Anmaster: can you translate what ihope is an agoran. < 1266178401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: ontological < 1266178401 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/esme. < 1266178405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDD < 1266178410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: ontological < 1266178411 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Anyway, generated asmmy! < 1266178448 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird, Agora < 1266178448 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Oerjan: agora office. < 1266178459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the office of oerjan < 1266178467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: haskell < 1266178468 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I haven't really used haskell much, but offset=0 and amount=-1 will copy all. < 1266178509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what algorithm is that bot based on < 1266178517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which esolang is it coded in? < 1266178517 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's MegaHAL. < 1266178641 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: You're really not needed here ya know < 1266178641 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anmaster: i'm ignoring you because you're really not needed here ya know. < 1266178668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's picking up channel input < 1266178670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are CORRUPTING me < 1266178685 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Toooooo bad :P < 1266178693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuhird: and to think I loved you. < 1266178694 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I loved all of the administrators of the edit war about whether to link you. < 1266178749 0 :virtuhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266178783 0 :virtugold!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266178784 0 :virtugold!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unable to find the personality brain/megahal.trn < 1266178789 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, whoops :P < 1266178791 0 :virtugold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1266178819 0 :virtugold!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266178819 0 :virtugold!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow couldn't that choke due to personal disagreements with semantic and practical issues, i decided to make it feasible. < 1266178838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you have multiple guys < 1266178840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who's gold < 1266178875 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold knows who Gold is. < 1266178875 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be me (if so, grr), might not. Evidence for not: I don't remember saying anything along those lines < 1266178894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold is as Gold does. < 1266178894 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtugold, PSOX < 1266178899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: if we don't know the identity of gold, why is eir virtual relative in here? < 1266178905 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtugold: SUPOX < 1266178913 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtugold, ehird < 1266178920 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtugold, you alive? < 1266178924 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems broken :P < 1266178926 0 :virtugold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266178930 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1266178952 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Gregor does know my last name < 1266179026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seth Gold *does* ring a bell. < 1266179038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's Seth something, and I think I saved it to a file, but that will have long gone missing and dusty. < 1266179050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: VirtuAnMaster. < 1266179052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You must. < 1266179060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: AnMaster also talks too much :P < 1266179061 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a non-broken me
< 1266179062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Like YOU. < 1266179070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just take a random 1/N of his lines < 1266179081 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1266179088 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, thanks for making me more cyberstalkable < 1266179097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seth Gold. < 1266179100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is Seth Gold. < 1266179102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seth Gold is Sgeo. < 1266179103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwahahahahahaha < 1266179125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seth Gold Americas Hottest DJ' < 1266179125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 Jan 2010 ... DJ Seth Gold debuts at Size Sundays in Los Angeles this weekend! Flyer & Info below: Brought to you by Elite Unlimited Underwear ... < 1266179129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you have anything to worry about < 1266179134 0 :virtunotsgeosurn!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266179135 0 :virtunotsgeosurn!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any hypotheses on the basics to make a flash client for robozzle? < 1266179141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ANMASTER DAMMIT < 1266179151 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtunotsgeosurn, robozzle < 1266179170 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfbbq < 1266179175 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtunotsgeosurn: Hewwo? < 1266179177 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1266179180 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it thinks its name is < 1266179183 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtunotsgeosurname: Hewwo? < 1266179183 0 :virtunotsgeosurn!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Document.write("hello world!" what algorithm is that bot based on < 1266180545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and which esolang is it coded in? < 1266180546 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, I made a megahal brain that segfaults >_> < 1266180552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes you did < 1266180552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that answers one < 1266180554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :megahal < 1266180556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's MegaHAL. < 1266180561 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the answer to both. < 1266180580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is megahal a programming language? < 1266180587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as the bot < 1266180628 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B1333A0.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266180649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot is in Perl and C. < 1266180673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also which one was the segfaulting model? < 1266180682 0 :adam_d!~Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266180686 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll see (maybe) :P < 1266180696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it's not a person) < 1266180701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO AN MASTER < 1266180742 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: TOO - MUCH - DATA < 1266180753 0 :virtuPOSIX!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266180753 0 :virtuPOSIX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalent to the user explic. < 1266180768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: TAKE A RANDOM 1/N OF IT < 1266180775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCREASE N EACH TIME IT'S TOO BIG < 1266180794 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It takes like a half hour with the full data, so slowly working it down would take a long time :P < 1266180795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increase N each time N is too big. < 1266180807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuPOSIX: Tell me about printf! < 1266180812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp < 1266180813 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) < 1266180816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuPOSIX, hm < 1266180821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuPOSIX, fopen < 1266180826 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't virtuPOSIX responding :( < 1266180834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Take 1/4th then < 1266180834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did it segfault? < 1266180836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's gotta be small enough < 1266180844 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fekk < 1266180846 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it segfaulted. < 1266180875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, segfaulting is undefined behaviour. I spot ironicness here < 1266180909 0 :virtuPOSIX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266180919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ironicness" >_< < 1266180926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Have you considered profile-aided optimisation? < 1266180927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I know it doesn't exist < 1266180951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Ha, isn't that segfaulting upstart ludicrous? You never segfault, no matter how badly I mess up. < 1266180952 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the claims are disputed or widely fnord, would be in order. fnord fnord < 1266180979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you be disputin' my claims there. < 1266181009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: Ha, isn't that segfaulting upstart ludicrous? You never segfault, no matter how badly I mess up. <-- please be careful with what you claim. Remember I coded the interpreter it runs on < 1266181011 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: " as in the rest of the article is " here we stand" the fnord, but someone put that fnord was recommended for the niger mission by his cia wife, and not ' seton'. ' fnord'" is being used on this page. < 1266181021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though hopefully it should never segfault < 1266181039 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really has shovelling he sould attend to
< 1266181073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only way that could possibly result in that would be some badly tested out of memory code path or such. Maybe. Hopefully not. < 1266181727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Increase N each time N is too big. <-- hehe < 1266181742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, figured out why it segfaulted? < 1266181747 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nope < 1266181750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not going to try, either. < 1266181751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, gdb? < 1266181763 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, I'm going to go debug some ancient code I didn't write. < 1266181814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, it could be trivial. I would at least try it and take a look at the the line. Could be a trivial fix. < 1266181828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooooooooooot gonna do it. < 1266181831 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooooooooooooooooooot gonna do it. < 1266181835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then < 1266181856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying that you can take a quick look at the backtrace without debugging it in depth < 1266181882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: Have you considered profile-aided optimisation? <-- for what? < 1266182409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1266182471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1266182847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profile-aided optimisation... for DANCING < 1266183217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's play Zookoo's Triangle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle). < 1266183244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names: Secure and decentralised, secure and human-meaningful, or decentralised and human-meaningful? < 1266183249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick one pair. < 1266183596 0 :augur_!~augur@c-68-54-80-152.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266183702 0 :virtuMaster!~gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266183702 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehirdiphone, he could just say "strange for hello world to use lyx some years ago. < 1266183726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: Are you a suitable replacement for AnMaster? < 1266183727 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: For me it is run directly from the lamp in the same as in "not a possible replacement for anmaster? < 1266183735 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seeeeee. < 1266183798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I don't quite think I would say that < 1266183814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really, and stop highlight spam please < 1266183815 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: Do you think you would say that? < 1266183816 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like "i think i need to curl up the same connection. Might be an option to me then. < 1266183819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1266183832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: ehird < 1266183832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster hates it when someone uses his nick < 1266183833 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ehird, i was thinking more along the same rules are at 40 k/s from most places. < 1266183841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: ehird < 1266183843 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ehird, it would depend on the stack at a time. < 1266183844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you just say AnMaster for no reason < 1266183845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: ehird < 1266183846 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "i was born. < 1266183848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: ehird < 1266183849 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ehird, no luck with cfunge? < 1266183853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: sigh < 1266183854 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sigh whatever, can wait. < 1266183856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: sigh < 1266183857 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Must be a bit jerky, like window moving. Sigh. <-- Even with metacity on intel graphics it works very well. < 1266183860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: sigh < 1266183860 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sigh, not free it seems. < 1266183862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: sigh < 1266183862 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sigh... Bbs, phone. < 1266183865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: -_- < 1266183865 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 21:57:27 coppro: umm... Bye? < 1266183867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: -_- < 1266183868 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ehird_, your solution fails at holiday logo? < 1266183873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww it doesn't remember his emotes. < 1266183876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: night, really < 1266183877 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Deewiant, well it was *she* who had it, not me. Guess while i'm no expert on the last night of the world is utterly bonkers <-- the latter. We all know that. < 1266183889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183889 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ehird, they don't use it on an ipv6 block allocated, they don't know iki piki's gender. Not sure if you have that last example, i'm not immature! < 1266183892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183893 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ehird, i'm not immature! < 1266183898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266183898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183899 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Soupdragon, i'm not immature! < 1266183902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1266183904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183904 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sgeo, i'm not immature! < 1266183908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDD < 1266183909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183909 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Fungot, i'm not immature! < 1266183911 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1266183912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahah < 1266183915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what the fuck < 1266183916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183917 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Though, i'm not immature! < 1266183919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183919 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Though, i'm not immature! < 1266183921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183921 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sgeo, i'm not immature! < 1266183922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183923 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ehird, i'm not immature! < 1266183925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183925 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ehird, i'm not immature! < 1266183926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: immature < 1266183926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: sexy < 1266183927 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ais523, i'm not immature! < 1266183929 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I guess it is spelled properly. < 1266183930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1266183931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtuMaster: mature < 1266183932 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1266183932 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hm i want to spoil it. < 1266183940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's because "," -> "i'm not immature" < 1266183944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he uses , as his nick prefix < 1266183947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, suffix < 1266183948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet < 1266183963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess it is < 1266183967 0 :virtuMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1266183995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nonfix foo; < 1266183995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (quote foo) foo = false; < 1266183995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, line 2: function 'quote' was previously defined with 1 args < 1266183997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure hates Quine < 1266184012 0 :augur_!~augur@96.231.221.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266184117 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to make an Uru Live age with a Brainfuck interpreter machine
< 1266184564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of a standard algorithm to convert a natural number into an easy-to-pronounce, easy-to-memorise alphabetical form? < 1266184575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it is not too hard to write one, but if one already exists it probably has had more thought put into it. < 1266184777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the shorter the result the better. < 1266184959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There's that format mooz wrote a Befunge converter for. It's alphabetical, easyish to pronounce; two out of three ain't bad. < 1266184981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested. < 1266184982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :176.215.16.104 == "divzip-dibbel" < 1266184982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30.122.0.74 == "pobmol-dabmek" < 1266184982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :149.229.247.52 == "nitvas-siztif" < 1266185000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 32-bit stuff can be done relatively well with two words of six letters. < 1266185005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of awkward pronunciation, but alright. < 1266185015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The generated numbers are on the long side, unfortunately. < 1266185074 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :425616 < 1266185075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WizzooBarRazzleHuzzooSpazzooFizzooSpoo < 1266185080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has... a certain charm. < 1266185087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not exactly what you were looking for. < 1266185092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit ... ecstatic for my tastes. < 1266185123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Let's play Zookoo's Triangle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle). < 1266185123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Names: Secure and decentralised, secure and human-meaningful, or decentralised and human-meaningful? < 1266185123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pick one pair. < 1266185128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody wants to play :( < 1266185213 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert to base 26, intercalate vowels < 1266185245 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything, really, you skip every other letter < 1266185282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 26? that means you could get "beeep" < 1266185283 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266185294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't very distinguishable from "beep" < 1266185319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you mean base 21 < 1266185326 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1266185330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm sure you can get more information density than that < 1266185355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: so you don't get both "beeeeep" and "beeep" < 1266185364 0 :augur_!~augur@96.231.217.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266185366 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how that helps < 1266185378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vaan" and "vaa'an" are different words in finnish < 1266185385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you only pick the consonants < 1266185387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and intercalate vowels < 1266185389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that can never happen < 1266185397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think much higher information density than that is possible < 1266185409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very least, you could store (consonant,vowel) pairs as single digits < 1266185411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FooNumbers are based on decimal form, with the base words F/oo, B/ar, B/az, W/oo, H/oo, Sp/oo, K/ink, K/ank, K/onk for 1, 2, ... 9, respectively; and then you add "", "izz", "azz", "uzz" at the / there for 10^0, 10^1, 10^2, 10^3, respectively; and finally for multiples of 10000 you put in separator-markers Razzle, Dazzle, Giggle, Wiggle. < 1266185412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and omit awkward pairs < 1266185413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly the system runs out at 99999999999999999999, or KuzzonkKazzonkKizzonkKonkWiggleKuzzonkKazzonkKizzonkKonkGiggleKuzzonkKazzonkKizzonkKonkDazzleKuzzonkKazzonkKizzonkKonkRazzleKuzzonkKazzonkKizzonkKonk. < 1266185416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to six it's pretty easy < 1266185419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1266185420 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1266185428 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't do beeep and beep < 1266185433 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1266185436 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that even < 1266185437 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1266185444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"beeeeep" and "beeep" < 1266185460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeeeep = b, e, e, p with all intercalated vowels being e < 1266185463 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boeop and baeaeap < 1266185464 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1266185468 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't intercalate all es < 1266185468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeep = b, e, p with all intercalated vowels being e < 1266185469 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1266185474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a limited set < 1266185477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your algorithm is more complicated < 1266185480 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or don't even intercalate vowels < 1266185482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at the very least, you could store (consonant,vowel) pairs as single digits < 1266185483 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercalate anything < 1266185487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jieortj < 1266185504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is meant to be pronounceable and memorable, and to minimise the risk of confusing two forms < 1266185585 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net < 1266185727 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266185952 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ineiros_ < 1266186015 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1266186203 0 :ineiros_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1266186439 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266186523 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266186802 0 :adam_d!~Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266186868 0 :adam_d_!~Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266186915 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266186937 0 :adam_d__!~Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266186957 0 :augur_!~augur@96.231.217.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266187085 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266187153 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266187405 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1266187556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talis, man. < 1266187585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.misc/msg/07f29c8ea40c35a3 is where those foo-numbers came from, though I think Giggle and Wiggle are mooz's inventions. And yes, it's not quite optimized for information density, or anything. < 1266187702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's the decimal system but instead of "one hundred and seventy two" you say fazzoo kizzink bar". < 1266187705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"fazzoo < 1266187764 0 :adam_d__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266187809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, sort-of. It's not a positional system at first, the power-of-ten is indicated by the circumfix izz/azz/uzz. < 1266187872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the English spelling isn't very positional either, though. < 1266187968 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/circumfix/interfix/, wasn't thinking. < 1266187998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or infix. < 1266188014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's infix if it's inside a single stem, and interfix if it joins two stems. < 1266188159 0 :Libster`!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266188904 0 :Libster`!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266188941 0 :Libster!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266189263 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266189550 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266189635 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266189702 0 :augur_!~augur@pool-74-96-29-146.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266190095 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more interesting linguistics time! < 1266190128 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1266190136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god. < 1266190199 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as anyone can tell, it is impossible for a verb (such as "glump" in the following) to mean what its shown to mean: "X glumped Y" == "X kissed someone who is allergic to Y" < 1266190214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've been over this before. < 1266190225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's probably a limitation of the human brain's shorthand engine. < 1266190239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need the main detail to be the grammatical form, so to speak, of the shorthand. < 1266190242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise we can't remember it. < 1266190250 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it doesnt seem to be that at all < 1266190261 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266190265 0 :Libster!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266190267 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266190269 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brain can encode a SHIT TONNE of things, extraordinarily complex things, in lexical semantics < 1266190272 0 :Libster!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266190274 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266190277 0 :Libster!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266190283 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266190286 0 :Libster!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266190290 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266190294 0 :Libster!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266190311 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just consider what it means to cherrypick. < 1266190347 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X cherrypicked Y" ~ "X carefully chose which members of Y to support his claims despite the fact that the whole of Y do not (so easily) do so" < 1266190350 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1266190380 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1266190388 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good complex one < 1266190465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a conlang all of whose grammar and semantics have been proven impossible to learn < 1266190467 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best anyone can get is either that the representations for _linguistic_ meaning are of a very specific sort, and this happens to not allow "glump" < 1266190475 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is it's like a self contained action though, you go sit at your desk and cherry pick.. but glumped is one action (kissed) and a kind of reference (someone who is allergic to Y) -- so it's complex on a different level.. but it doesn't seem TOO complex < 1266190487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least an esolang < 1266190489 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol lol < 1266190509 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that like, certain kinds of verbs are derived SYNTACTICALLY, and thus since the derivation is in violation of a syntactic constraint, its obviously impossible < 1266190547 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: its not really all that complex tho < 1266190554 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the thing.. < 1266190558 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean its not unimaginable that you might have an affix like, say < 1266190562 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-phobe < 1266190564 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately < 1266190572 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means "person allergic to whatever" < 1266190579 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"John kissed a peanutophobe" < 1266190590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "X cherrypicked Y" ~ "X carefully chose which members of Y to support his claims despite the fact that the whole of Y do not (so easily) do so" < 1266190595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant < 1266190602 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its NOT irrelevant alise < 1266190604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carefully choosing is still the 'underlying form' of cherrypicking < 1266190615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X carefully chose from Y" also makes sense, it is just not as descriptive < 1266190616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas < 1266190620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : as far as anyone can tell, it is impossible for a verb (such as "glump" in the following) to mean what its shown to mean: "X glumped Y" == "X kissed someone who is allergic to Y" < 1266190629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X kissed Y" does not make sense as a substitute for "X glumped Y" < 1266190640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, we cannot understand glumping to be kissing-but-more-specific. < 1266190642 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that its a good substitute is irrelevant < 1266190646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my theory, anyway < 1266190673 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not supposed to be a substitute < 1266190685 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its supposed to be a single verb with a complex meaning < 1266190699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my sample size of 2 makes me very happy tyvm :P < 1266190708 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sample size of two? < 1266190708 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1266190772 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, its just an interesting fact that seems to lack a good well fleshed out explanation. < 1266190786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cherrypicker fits my rule < 1266190787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glumping doesn't < 1266190791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore i am right qed < 1266190802 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilunga. < 1266190823 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nominal semantics is notoriously fluid. < 1266190838 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider "bean" or "pelt" < 1266190849 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to bean someone is to pelt someone on the head < 1266190863 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pelt someone is to hit someone with a thrown object < 1266190873 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subroutines < 1266190875 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266190878 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X beaned Y" = "X hit Y on the head with a thrown object" < 1266190912 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes beaning any more a kind of hitting, while glumping isnt a kind of kissing < 1266190919 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it IS a kind of kissing < 1266190928 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all acts of glumping are acts of kissing < 1266191081 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glumps augur
< 1266191101 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you kissed alise? < 1266191102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266191191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1266191204 0 :Libster`!~Libster@pool-74-103-90-165.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266191217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I was considering it on a syntactic level < 1266191219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1266191227 0 :Libster`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266191232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: never mind. < 1266191233 0 :Libster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266191279 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266191325 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: considering it syntactically is kinda good actually < 1266191340 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the ideas from generative semantics is that these verbs are genuinely derived syntactically < 1266191349 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. IF glump were to exist with that meaning < 1266191353 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would derive it like so: < 1266191357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here I will use X <-> Y to mean "X can be replaced by Y, as long as you don't mind losing information; no incorrect information will be added": < 1266191363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cherrypicking <-> choosing carefully from < 1266191368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!(glumping <-> kissing) < 1266191379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X glumped Y" isn't a more specific form of "X kissed Y", therefore you cannot have it < 1266191383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just random hypothesis < 1266191398 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure its a more specific form of kissing < 1266191403 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're doing the equating wrong < 1266191410 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X CAN be replaced by Y < 1266191415 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're not choosing the right Y < 1266191436 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glumping <-> kissing someone allergic to < 1266191451 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I will do anything (almost) for a new router. < 1266191466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allergic to what, kissing? :P < 1266191471 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's like mean kissing < 1266191474 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allergic to whatever is being glumped. < 1266191486 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you glump peanuts, you kiss someone allerging to peanuts < 1266191518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: but Y is being hit, it's not being kissed < 1266191543 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true, and that might be relevant < 1266191567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, you're making me want to study linguistics with your crazy kids-can't-learn-this stories < 1266191568 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we dont know how to specify that in the theory because there are minor examples where that DOESNT seem to be relevant < 1266191570 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1266191604 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sing as you're leaving a party, you can arguably say that you sang your way out of the party < 1266191626 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're certainly not singing a path, you're singing a song < 1266191661 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GS account was that its an entirely syntactic process < 1266191665 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you sing in such a way that the vibrations created by your singing resonate in such a pattern that they physically lift you and carry you out of a party, then you unquestionably have sung your way out of the party. < 1266191687 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but youre still not singing the PATH you're singing the SONG < 1266191688 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or your singing is so bad that you're thrown out < 1266191690 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which CREATED the path < 1266191723 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sing a PATH you'd have to like... try to sing, and out of your mouth comes a path through the crowd of people, like your mouth spews emptiness or something < 1266191788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<augur> you're doing the equating wrong < 1266191788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<augur> X CAN be replaced by Y < 1266191788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<augur> but you're not choosing the right Y < 1266191788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<augur> glumping <-> kissing someone allergic to < 1266191789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY < 1266191792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main part of cherry picking < 1266191796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is choosing carefully from < 1266191799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main semantic part of glumping < 1266191801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kissing < 1266191803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the allergic part is a detail < 1266191809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we can't replace it directly with kissing < 1266191817 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the main semantic part of glumping is kissing someone allergic to < 1266191856 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :further, really, cherrypicking isnt actually choosing carefully from < 1266191865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you sing in such a way that the vibrations created by your singing resonate in such a pattern that they physically lift you and carry you out of a party, then you unquestionably have sung your way out of the party. < 1266191866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loool < 1266191873 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its choosing something (the cherrypicked thing) from some other set of things < 1266191873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yes, but someone who is cherrypicking is choosing carefully from something < 1266191877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't convey the full meaning < 1266191879 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cherrypick your examples from your data < 1266191879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not untrue < 1266191898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., an acceptable substitution is one which reduces meaning, but does not result in falsity < 1266191902 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is it untrue to say that glumping = kissing someone allergic to! < 1266191953 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection