00:01:49 -!- calamari has joined. 00:11:02 * SimonRC thinks up the next great Apple feature: sub-pixel mouse positioning. 00:11:21 What the fuck am I doing? 00:11:24 I'm going to bed. 00:12:08 total used free shared buffers cached 00:12:08 Mem: 12040 11973 67 0 196 10184 00:12:08 -/+ buffers/cache: 1592 10448 00:12:15 lol, memory crisis 00:12:46 That's a lot of RAM. 00:12:59 mmhmm 00:51:43 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:54:30 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:57:01 bsmntbombdood: That is not a memory crisis. That is a cache. 00:57:35 ehm 00:57:37 logread 01:00:01 -!- augur has joined. 01:37:24 Now soliciting opinions on http://codu.org/music/vg/zee1.ogg (which is supposed to be semi-retro video-game-music-ish) 01:38:54 no drums? 01:39:04 THAT DOES NOT COUNT AS AN OPINION 01:40:11 sounds kinda general midi <- is this an opinion? 01:40:27 It is GM, 's all I've got (I refuse to use loops) 01:41:01 Also I just frankly don't want to take the time and effort to go hunting for soundfonts, put them all together, and then render something that's questionably not legal for me to redistribute anyway. 01:41:07 get some free vsts if your sequencer supports them? 01:41:54 I'm not sure what to say because for retro video game music I use trackers 01:42:22 I generally compose music of a less synthesized style :P 01:42:50 (And I compose it for human beings, eliminating the issue of making the computer make the right sounds) 01:43:06 well, the square wave does sound out of it's place 01:44:22 Really? I sort of liked the contrast. 01:45:10 Sounds fine. 01:45:37 Almost a standard of NES music. :P 01:46:17 well, nes music tends to be more bass+drums+stuff 01:46:23 because otherwise it's too thin 01:49:47 -!- jpc has joined. 01:57:10 Replacing the square wave by an accordion results in pretty much pure awesomeness. 01:58:32 I may actually do that :P 01:59:35 Mainly it's awesome because a simple do-do-so-do on an accordion = polka 02:06:55 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:07:06 -!- augur has joined. 02:07:44 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:24:34 yes, i think it could do with an accordion 02:25:19 * Sgeo__ tries From Hell to Heaven 02:25:29 Looks like it looks easier than it looks 02:25:36 "Solved by 1 players" 02:26:56 Actually, no 02:28:20 link? 02:29:00 http://robozzle.com/puzzle.aspx?id=1010 02:30:15 boo, no js version 02:30:30 oh wait, there is one 02:30:32 * coppro looks 02:30:44 no wait, there isn't 02:31:33 http://robozzle.com/js 02:33:34 yeah, but no js version of that puzzle 02:34:24 coppro, click one of the other puzzles, and put 1010 into there 02:34:39 Sometimes puzzles are hidden due to not getting good ratings 02:34:49 oh 02:35:11 * Sgeo__ has had issues with the JS client, actually 02:35:27 Like, if the robot dies off the edge, I can't restart the puzzle without refreshing the page 02:35:36 hit stop 02:35:54 hmm 02:35:57 It doesn't work 02:41:09 It would be silly for music to be illegal to distribute due to being made out of copyrighted soundfonts. 02:42:22 It's a derivative work. 02:42:31 Are you sure? 02:42:43 How could it not be? 02:43:40 soundfonts have weird copyright stuff 02:44:00 There would probably be some law stating it's not a derivative work. 02:44:02 because if they copyrighted the samples on synths people couldn't use them in music 02:44:20 obviously not good for roland 02:44:30 which is where your samples probably come from anyways 02:45:14 Mine are all public domain, it's the Chorium soundfont. 02:45:34 Ah, there's fair use. 02:46:22 This is especially amusing when compared with actual fonts... 02:46:24 Which cannot be copyrighted. 02:46:25 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 02:46:26 Fair use has to do with how much of the work you use. When the work is a soundfont, and you used it to render music, you've used a lot of it. 02:46:36 I'm sure it's difficult to argue that using a soundfont in a piece of music and distributing the piece diminishes the value of the soundfont. 02:47:06 pikhq: I've heard that before, but I think I tried to verify it and wasn't able to. 02:47:06 (the actual font *file* can be copyrighted, though; it counts as a computer program.) 02:49:26 http://www.loc.gov/cgi-bin/formprocessor/copyright/cfr.pl?&urlmiddle=1.0.2.6.2.0.174.1&part=202§ion=1&prev=&next=2 02:50:20 (e) Typeface as typeface. 02:50:32 So, typeface as candy can by copyrighted. 02:50:37 Hahahah. 02:50:48 Yes, a candy mold of a typeface could be copyrighted. 02:50:56 But someone could carve their own mold. 02:51:23 So could I create a new file of an existing font, using the font file as my only reference? 02:52:04 So long as you actually *create* the new file, rather than deriving it, yes. 02:52:33 The font file merely describes how to render a typeface. You can look at the rendered typeface and imitate that just fine. 02:53:10 Note: it'll still be a derived work in Europe. 02:53:51 Is there legally a difference between copying the file and simply creating an identical one? 02:54:03 Yes. 02:54:17 The first is a derived work. 02:54:22 The second is a bizarre coincidence. 02:54:46 Well, I should say... 02:54:52 If I accidentally write a novel that's exactly equal to some Harry Potter book I haven't read, but with "Harry Potter" replaced by "Dodifer Fleghermaier", that's legal. Hard to prove though. 02:55:33 Unlike patent law. 02:55:42 Yesh 02:55:44 Between copying parts of the file, and looking at a part of the file, rendering it, and derendering it such that the new part is identical to the old one. 02:55:50 If you invent something that was invented and patented last year, you're screwed. 02:56:16 pikhq: If you invent something that was invented and patented twelve seconds ago, you're screwed :P 02:56:17 uorygl: If it's an automatic process, probably derived. 02:56:23 Gregor: Quite. 02:56:52 What if I invent something for which a patent was applied yesterday, but which has not yet been revealed to the public? 02:56:54 Heck, if the patent application was done by someone else a month after you, you're screwed. 02:57:23 (needs to be a year prior to be prior art. Yes, really.) 02:57:25 Ideally, if I do that, the law automatically changes such that the patent is invalid. 02:57:51 ...So I can invent someone and then someone else can patent it? 02:58:03 that's not the purpose of patent law 02:58:10 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 02:58:14 s/one/thing/ 02:58:15 "I invented it, too, right after he told me how he invented it." 02:58:18 the purpose of copyright and patent laws are actually different 02:58:21 Is Gracenotes addicted yet? 02:58:36 coppro: Yes. And that's tangential. 02:58:45 it's not 02:59:29 the purpose of copyright law is to give someone assurance that only they may profit from a work 02:59:38 Something can be nuts even if it has a purpose. 02:59:45 the purpose of patent law is to give the public the assurance that new innovations are available 02:59:56 oh, I completely agree 03:00:02 And that's not the purpose of copyright law. 03:00:17 what would you define the purpose of copyright law as, then? 03:00:18 ..maybe 03:00:22 The purpose of copyright law is to give the public the assurance that new works of art are available. 03:00:43 no 03:00:44 I lurv you all 03:00:47 And it only in that context that Congress even has the power to enact a copyright law. 03:00:48 my A key has been broken for 2 months 03:00:53 Erm. it is. 03:01:22 there is no such thing as a first-to-copyright system anywhere in the world, unless I'm seriously mistaken 03:01:33 -!- oerjan has joined. 03:01:36 That's a non sequitur. 03:01:41 it's really not 03:02:26 no _this_ is a non sequitur. oh wait... 03:02:39 Your mom is a non sequitur. 03:02:42 "Congress shall have the power [...] to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;" 03:03:01 I don't care about USAian law 03:03:10 Computer Useful Art 03:03:12 But that's what we were discussing. 03:03:17 oh, we were? 03:03:23 The "securing an exclusing right" bit is merely a means to an end... 03:03:30 That's not the first time I've cited it. 03:04:07 the USA further muddles things by adopting a first-to-invent system 03:04:32 Which is arguably not among Congress' powers. 03:04:39 (not that that's stopped them before) 03:04:40 don't know, don't care 03:05:02 Well, I cited the only bit that grants them the power to do a copyright or patent law. 03:05:24 (the US federal government does an astounding lot more than they have the de jure power to) 03:05:25 I meant I don't know or care about Congress' powers 03:05:36 GreaseMonkey, igoro replied to you 03:05:43 not being in the US, it's not important to me 03:06:13 Sgeo__: where? 03:06:19 http://robozzle.com/forums/thread.aspx?id=175 03:07:37 in any case, a first-to-patent system directly accomplishes the goal of public dissemination 03:07:48 Berne copyright does not 03:08:35 BURN COPYRIGHT YARGH oh wait you mean the Berne convention ... 03:09:42 whereas first-to-patent laws discourage information hoarding, copyright and first-to-invent systems do not 03:10:36 Really, the US has a most-$$$ system. 03:10:56 It doesn't matter if you invented it first if IBM invented it second. 03:10:57 In the modern day and age, limitation of the trading of information encourages information hoarding. 03:11:05 (Unless you're Microsoft) 03:11:58 actually, Gregor, that's only true in one direction 03:12:07 it's true that if IBM has the patent, you're screwed either way 03:12:36 but if you have the patent, and IBM violated it, you have a shot at some serious dough 03:12:42 This is true. 03:12:50 If you have the patent, then IBM will sue you for some patent that they *do* have, and offer to settle out of court. 03:12:57 With a reciprocal license. 03:13:01 possibly 03:13:04 Also true :P 03:13:22 This is the modus operandi of most all large corporations. 03:13:28 * Sgeo__ blehs at the Worlds.com 03:13:29 but in that case you can fight if they don't have a valid claim against you 03:13:41 Except that they almost certainly do. 03:13:43 sure 03:13:48 Because everything is patented :P 03:13:50 but what if you have no product? 03:13:50 You almost can't breath without violating a patent. 03:13:58 Business methods. 03:14:00 or if their patent is invalid? 03:14:02 Bilski 03:14:12 newfeatures? Worlds? lolWHAT? 03:14:18 Their patent being invalid again comes down to $$$. 03:14:28 You can patent adding 1 and 1 if you have enough dollar signs. 03:14:35 that's not it though 03:14:36 If you have absolutely no product, then you're not having the cash to sue, unless you're a patent troll. 03:14:50 pikhq: or you may be a startup without a product yet 03:14:53 In which case, the company in question has already paid your protection money. 03:15:02 coppro: In which case, you don't have the cash to sue. 03:15:06 And you're fucked. 03:15:14 Gregor: that's not the issue 03:15:25 the issue is that if you're sued for an invalid patent, you're screwed either way 03:15:39 but if you've got a suit of your own and you win both, you can cover your costs with the spoils 03:15:59 Yes, but you won't survive to the end of the suit. 03:16:19 (you got 10 years worrth of lawyer fees sitting around to shovel into something?) 03:19:23 LOL, this build of WorldsPlayer is 6 years old 03:19:39 Build date 11/12/04 03:19:53 The US' legal system is pretty much designed so that whoever has the most $ wins. 03:20:09 Our political system has approached that point, as well. 03:20:11 yeah 03:20:28 Oh, and corporations can fund the politics. 03:20:48 IP law is shaping up to be a real test of the government's willingness to listen to the people vs. the money 03:20:53 God bless America 03:20:54 especially copyright 03:21:24 So far, the people are losing. 03:21:38 looks like it 03:21:57 Though they have the advantage that IP law is about as enforcable as making breathing illegal. 03:22:08 but treaties are, fortunately, not enforceable until ratified 03:22:37 so ACTA/EUFTA(?) will need to make it past Parliament first 03:23:06 <3 Michael Geist 03:23:06 It's US copyright law that gets spread to other countries via treaty, y'know. :P 03:23:19 pikhq: not just that; the EU are trying to do it too now 03:24:06 ah, it's called CETA 03:24:07 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4704/125/ 03:28:06 -!- dbc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:59:33 -!- dbc has joined. 04:00:58 madbrain, GreaseMonkey: http://filebin.ca/mnotrf/zee1acc.ogg 04:01:37 http://cb.vu/ 04:02:11 Kinda changes the mood, but god that accordion is awesomesauce. 04:02:36 what's that 04:02:53 Music, of the Gregor kind. 04:02:56 Ostensibly it's semi-retro-video-gameish-music 04:03:04 Of the Gregor kind. 04:03:05 Wow, cb.vu looks like a Unix shell. 04:03:16 As per the norm for Gregor music, it is enjoyable. 04:03:36 Y'know what really looks like a Unix shell? http://codu.org/jsmips/system.html 04:03:49 Gregor: I'd sure hope so. ;) 04:03:56 personally i don't find it your best work, but very good work, obviously 04:04:14 It's not supposed to be my best work, it's my first attempt at writing something fairly out of my style. 04:04:20 right 04:04:26 I didn't manage to get that far out of my style though, making it a weird hybrid :P 04:04:28 What does this uname line tell you: FreeBSD cb.vu 7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #2: Wed Jan 30 16:21:05 CET 2009 c@cb.vu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CB i386 04:04:34 maybe you try a bit too hard to keep it consistent 04:04:50 I find it amusing that the thing making jsmips slow is the remote filesystem. 04:04:53 i386. I guess that means x86. 04:04:54 (lagtastic!) 04:04:58 (or not) 04:05:09 oklopol: How so? 04:05:34 well there isn't a clear change of mood anywhere, is there 04:05:52 No, no there is not. This is a good point. 04:05:58 oklopol: How much video game music does? 04:06:01 I mean, it's supposed to be background music. 04:06:06 ... Pre-Playstation, I should say. 04:06:13 pikhq: i've mostly heard FF music... 04:06:31 maybe i'm slightly biased 04:06:48 oklopol: Nobuo Uematsu didn't really start doing mood changes at all until SNES or Playstation era. 04:07:14 That's a technological limitation though. 04:07:23 Hard to coordinate music to onscreen events without any sort of video. 04:07:30 ...and the only FF musics i remember are from 9 and 7 04:07:43 Heh 04:07:59 Gregor: Harder still when the games didn't have much in the way of *plot*. :P 04:08:24 There's this witch. Uh, could you kill her for us? kthx 04:08:54 The plot for Final Fantasy was more like "Uh, there's a big bad. Could you guys defeat him? Kthx." 04:09:23 (and yet, still had some good music. "Final Fantasy" is a much nicer piece than it has any right to be...) 04:10:43 japanese ff3 has some nice songs 04:11:10 The same is true of all mainline Final Fantasy games. 04:11:19 Nobuo Uematsu takes video game music seriously, and it shows. 04:11:25 ok, better than the other nes games 04:11:37 pikhq: it's his job 04:12:09 madbrain: Then why does so much of the rest of video game music suck? 04:12:13 madbrain: It's their job too. 04:12:38 not enough time/too small budget/etc 04:12:53 also they don't care 04:13:31 ... Nobuo Uematsu, when he started, was hired part time out of the music rental store he worked at. 04:13:41 I'd call that "small budget". 04:13:47 yeah, he was at the right place at the right moment 04:13:57 It's kinda stunning that Square got even decent music out of that deal. 04:14:07 Much less "rather good". 04:14:16 also, talent, better tools... 04:14:34 a lot of early music (8bit era) was made in, like, assembler 04:14:40 Gregor: okay on a third listening, i don't think there's anything wrong with the mood 04:14:47 or -lessness 04:14:47 lol 04:15:28 madbrain: True. 04:15:33 like, if the square guys made him a program, and didn't force him to squeeze into, say, 32k to squeeze in more gfx, that probably helped 04:15:59 madbrain: They just told him what the NES could and couldn't do and let him have at it. 04:16:29 well, what I'd like to see is the tool the had to sequence the music 04:17:00 * pikhq is curious as well. 04:17:20 like, every so often they have .nsf compos 04:17:31 Gregor: maybe the feel of a sort of stability was just because the theme sort of stays the same throughout the whole song, which obviously was done on purpose, it just makes some of the "returning to the theme before next interesting part" feel pointless (maybe) 04:17:47 also maybe i should criticize less, it really was pretty good :P 04:18:08 I have no use for noncritical statements. 04:18:17 true. 04:18:21 well, looking at how people do songs for .nsf competitions these days 04:18:31 americans use trackers, japanese use MML 04:18:54 americans win the original song competition, japanese win the cover competition 04:19:03 * oklopol considers doing eso-related stuff 04:19:45 although it's hardly a NES compo anymore with all the extension chips people use 04:20:33 Why am I not eating yet? 04:20:58 wish i had food 04:21:11 also, final fantasy music was custom made for the console limits instead of some midi conversion 04:21:12 * Gregor wishes oklopol had food. 04:21:15 OK, now what? 04:21:55 hmm 04:21:59 send me munnay 04:21:59 madbrain: Helps a lot, that. 04:22:37 and he might have been more involved in the making of the game 04:22:42 It really helps a lot that Square actually had someone just write music that could fit on the NES, rather than "write something that counts as music". 04:22:59 instead of "here's 4000$, make us 20 songs" 04:23:16 "So one night when we were talking, she was asking if I would be interested in taking part in creating some music for some of the titles they were working on at that time. So I said, "Okay, for sure I'll do it." But that was totally a side job, and I wasn't considering that this would become any sort of full-time gig." -- Nobuo Uematsu 04:23:25 From http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3166165 04:24:01 well, that's because in the 80s making music probably wasn't a full-time gig ever 04:24:28 that's more of a 16-bit era thing 04:25:13 -!- MizardX has quit (Connection timed out). 04:25:38 but yeah, these days games are more like made by the graphics guys 04:26:36 and they're not in a final fantasy 4 situation where the music has to be good because otherwise the games looks like total ass (just look at ff4's gfx) 04:28:10 FF4 didn't look like ass. *FF7* looked like ass. 04:28:49 ff7 looked good in 1997 :D 04:29:01 ... Not really. 04:29:09 and it's more like ff7 characters look like ass, the backdrops are nice afaik 04:29:25 The backdrops do look nice, yes. 04:29:36 Of course, those were *paintings*. ;) 04:30:00 the battle system models were less butty 04:30:18 "butty" :P 04:30:25 -!- oerjan has quit ("Lost terminal"). 04:30:36 probably because they didn't have to make the battle run at 30fps :D 04:30:36 It was pretty much the only entry in the series that looked *worse* than contemporary games... 04:30:55 yeah but the soundtrack is great 04:30:59 even though it's midi 04:31:11 The soundtrack is amazing, yes. 04:31:28 * pikhq puts on One Winged Angel. Whooo. 04:31:55 madbrain: Best heard performed by an orchestra. 04:31:56 it's sample set is less cheesey than most GM kits 04:33:03 that's the one where they recorded a choir no? :D 04:33:22 Like many before me, I feel like actually implementing Unix in JavaScript. 04:33:55 uorygl: http://codu.org/projects/jsmips/ 04:34:01 Help me with that instead :P 04:34:23 a lot of other psx soundtracks were made on synthesizers of the day 04:34:43 Gregor: how does that work? 04:34:43 madbrain: Yes, One Winged Angel has a choir. 04:34:50 roland/yamaha/korg romplers 04:35:01 "Veni veni venias, ne me mori facias." 04:35:04 uorygl: It's a MIPS simulator. In JavaScript. With an /actual/ Unix shell and vim compiled for it. 04:35:28 From the maker of Hackiki :P 04:35:49 It's considered the Sephiroth theme for some reason. 04:35:51 Why would you implement MIPS in JavaScript rather than just implementing Unix in JavaScript? 04:36:10 (the theme is actually, of course, Those Chosen by the Planet) 04:36:20 uorygl: Because ultimately you're going to end up having no compatibility with real apps unless you can run C programs. 04:36:31 Well, you can compile C into JavaScript! 04:36:41 Gregor: I'm curious: have you looked at Coffeescript at all? 04:36:56 Not really, C assumes you have addressable memory, and so you'd effectively be simulating a system anyway. 04:36:59 pikhq: Nope. 04:37:25 Wow, it sounds like C sucks. 04:37:27 there's a couple of holes in this C addressable memory thing, no? 04:37:45 Gregor: It's a language that maps rather closely to Javascript... 04:37:54 pikhq: I can see that. 04:37:56 Gregor: Rather nice. Much nicer syntax & scoping. 04:37:57 pikhq: syntically 04:38:04 pikhq: But I like JavaScript :P 04:38:08 madbrain: Maps closely semantically. 04:38:08 synatactically... whatever 04:38:11 yes 04:38:29 in working I'd think JS is a lot more like Lua and that kind of stuff 04:38:43 C is more like... asm? 04:38:48 Hmm. The root of "syntax" isn't "syntact", is it? 04:39:03 Gregor: And Coffeescript is fairly close to Javascript. 04:39:37 Gregor: Just, \x->x looks like (x => x) rather than (function (x) {return x}) 04:39:38 :P 04:39:53 I guess "syntax" is a truncation of "syntaxis". 04:40:25 but yeah, when you compose specifically for a platform, you can do amazing stuff 04:40:45 too bad that almost never happened on the PC 04:41:24 And then, starting with FFX, Nobuo Uematsu had it easy. 04:41:38 Sorry, this game only works with the Sound Blaster Pro 04:41:51 Dunno, after FF9 the soundtracks become less memorable 04:41:51 "Okay, here's your choir and orchestra. Come back with some CDs." 04:42:08 well, scoring for orchestra is an art too 04:42:28 ... *To Zanarkand* is not memorable? 04:42:32 madbrain: I don't think anyone would dispute that fact :P 04:42:36 haven't heard it actually 04:42:38 What sort of heartless bastard are you? :P 04:42:45 pikhq: ok FFXII 04:42:47 Did you *play* FFX? 04:42:49 no 04:42:50 :D 04:42:56 FFXII wasn't Nobuo Uematsu. 04:42:58 So that's why it's not memorable then :P 04:43:02 Yes. 04:43:04 :D 04:43:06 yeah 04:43:11 madbrain: Play FFX. 04:43:17 It's the best game in the series. 04:43:34 Only one I've replayed. 04:43:35 Whoah, that's a strong statement. 04:43:48 Also, wtf, FFXII wasn't scored by Uematsu? D-8 04:44:01 I'm a huge fan of composing for the hardware instead of just making mp3s 04:44:06 Gregor: Nope. FFX wasn't soley scored by him, either. 04:44:08 but I'm a nerd :D 04:44:24 yeah something that large is probably more than one guy no? 04:44:29 I'm a huge fan of composing for the hardware, where "the hardware" = "a piano" 04:44:39 madbrain: First time he didn't compose the entire game. 04:45:07 He did compose all of FFXI. And is composing all of FFXIV. 04:45:26 Who cares about FFXI :P 04:45:34 He's not actually the best but he's way good enough 04:45:35 What about X-2? 04:45:49 Gregor: Not him. 04:45:55 the guy who did chrono trigger is actually better 04:46:33 madbrain: ... Mitsuda and Uematsu? 04:46:43 mitsuda something yeah 04:47:40 Gregor: People who like MMOs. 04:47:43 Okay, in C, when do you actually use addressable memory? 04:47:48 Pointers. Arrays. Anything else? 04:47:56 uorygl: ... but pointers and arrays are /everywhere/. 04:48:06 uorygl: Everything in C is addressable. 04:48:12 well, no but yeah the sort of pointer/array merge it has is everywhere 04:48:14 uorygl: The only way to get memory dynamically is to get an address to something. 04:48:16 (well, almost everything. All lvalues are.) 04:48:33 and you have the problem that you can mess up all the dependencies with pointers 04:49:01 You can mess up pretty much anything with pointers if you please. 04:49:01 int p; p = 2+5; wacky_function(&p); 04:49:14 You can rewrite functions with pointers. 04:49:19 (not in a portable manner) 04:49:33 yeah that's inherently platform specific 04:49:39 Well, let's say that we figure out how to implement pointers and arrays. 04:49:56 uorygl: Then you're simulating virtual memory. 04:50:07 Haskell has pointers and arrays. 04:50:11 uorygl: And all of your operations have to support the fact that values may change from under them, so they're all simulated too. 04:50:14 madbrain: what is &? 04:50:20 I think you have to figure out if variables are only local or if they get turned into pointers/references 04:50:24 The address-of operator. 04:50:25 Oh, uorygl doesn't speak C, that explains it :P 04:50:32 uorygl: get memory address operator 04:50:34 That does explain it! 04:50:38 uorygl: In C, everything is addressable. 04:50:54 Except for return values, and... 04:51:16 A handful of other niche things. 04:51:27 once stuff is pointerizable, then you can contaminate stuff in your program with it and mess up everything 04:51:43 pikhq: Also variables labeled "register" :P 04:51:51