00:00:06 hm wait 00:00:17 you know if i experimented with fungoids in the 90s i'd be pretty scared of people coming up to me and blabbing about them 00:00:19 ehird, log reader? 00:00:28 anmaster_t: I'm gonna guess "no". 00:00:49 ehird, he know I worked on befunge109 though 00:01:02 random madmen on the street 00:02:27 fizzie, that panorama is fitting btw. Wave university and everything 00:02:27 it is really very wavy to get a straight horizon 00:03:06 wtf i'm lagged, the logs show cpressey leaving before my greeting... 00:03:23 -!- soupdragon has joined. 00:04:38 -!- Pthing has joined. 00:05:38 whatsoup, dragon 00:07:02 [23:58] cpressey: long time no see 00:07:04 [23:58] oh that is c pressey there. Didn't notice at first 00:07:05 [23:58] hi 00:07:07 [23:58] ehird, cynical since 1991 00:07:08 [23:58] 'Night, folks. 00:07:09 [23:58] <-- cpressey has left this channel. 00:07:11 not that lagged for me 00:07:17 ehird, same here 00:08:22 -!- SimonRC has joined. 00:09:26 fizzie, I'll upload example stitch tomorrow hopefully. really need to sleep now, test tomorrow afternoon (sucks to have that on a Saturday) 00:09:49 -!- cal153 has joined. 00:09:49 -!- dbc has joined. 00:09:49 -!- sebbu has joined. 00:09:49 -!- HackEgo has joined. 00:09:49 -!- mtve has joined. 00:10:10 lag continuum 00:11:20 -!- rodgort has quit (Client Quit). 00:11:28 -!- rodgort has joined. 00:11:57 lag o morph 00:12:35 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:15:22 -!- HackEgo has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:15:22 -!- dbc has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:15:22 -!- mtve has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:15:22 -!- cal153 has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:15:22 -!- sebbu has quit (farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:19:35 -!- cal153 has joined. 00:19:35 -!- dbc has joined. 00:19:35 -!- sebbu has joined. 00:19:35 -!- HackEgo has joined. 00:19:35 -!- mtve has joined. 00:23:00 soupdragon: you mean jumpy and could be beaten by a tortoise? 00:23:12 roughly 00:24:49 -!- anmaster_t has quit (Connection timed out). 00:27:07 -!- lifthras1ir has changed nick to lifthrasiir. 00:31:29 -!- jix has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:31:44 -!- jix has joined. 00:37:47 AnMaster: Here's one preliminary stitch of the CS building: http://zem.fi/~fis/cs.jpg -- it's a bit seamy, and I doubt anything can be done to the railing immediately in front, since it's sort of important that what's behind it lines up properly. 00:41:47 fizzie: see, it should look curved like that in real life 00:41:47 don't you agree that it would be prettier? 00:41:47 the curved metal, especially 00:44:05 finland is too cold for metal to curve 00:45:56 -!- augur has joined. 00:48:29 Some sort of pipeline language: 00:48:32 sort: divide | sort | splice pivot | cat 00:48:33 pivot: [length/2] 00:48:35 divide: split (<= pivot) 00:49:12 (The intention is that you can parallelise it; so, since divide splits one list into two, "sort" would be run on them in parallel, then when they're both done, splice would insert pivot in-between them, and cat would concatenate all of them.) 00:49:23 [] being array access, not creation. 00:49:31 (That's quicksort.) 00:59:34 -!- augur_ has joined. 01:04:33 -!- augur__ has joined. 01:07:41 -!- augur__ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:07:52 -!- augur__ has joined. 01:08:35 -!- augur__ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:10:26 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:10:31 -!- augur_ has joined. 01:22:41 -!- augur has quit (Connection timed out). 01:44:07 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:04:45 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 02:40:04 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 02:43:27 -!- nooga has quit ("Lost terminal"). 02:53:33 -!- Pthing has joined. 03:28:16 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 04:06:51 -!- soupdragon has quit ("Leaving"). 04:25:27 -!- augur has joined. 04:40:22 -!- MizardX has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 05:04:23 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 05:07:53 ehird, are you here 05:08:05 no 05:08:37 lemme ask you 05:08:48 since i think you'd be knowledgable on this 05:11:44 what is it called when you take functions in the object language and turn them into type constraints 05:13:09 in the simple case its just having a typed programming language, right 05:13:32 instead of doing lots of return nil unless someArg.is_a? Numeric 05:13:34 or whatever 05:13:48 you just type your function Numeric -> YaddaYadda 05:14:51 and for slightly more complex stuff, instead of 'return nil unless someArg.square > 5' you type your function some silly type and then its just dependent types, right 05:15:32 but would it still be dependent types if you turned _all_ of your predicates into types like that? 05:15:39 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:16:07 e.g. instead of 'return nil unless x < y' you type your function in such a way that its only defined on pairs of numbers such that x < y 05:16:18 is that still just dependent typing? or is that slightly more complex? 05:20:08 augur: unfortunately, the term 'dependent type' is overloaded 05:20:12 :P 05:21:14 * coppro tries to remember the name of that language ehird talked about 05:22:53 some languages blur the distinction between types and values as well 05:22:54 epilog? twelf? agda? 05:22:59 agda was the one 05:23:04 epogram, rather. 05:23:06 .. epigram. :| 05:23:16 even though they are conceptually different, their use gets blended together 05:23:33 agda is less a language and more a program, but ok 05:24:13 i mean, its kind of both i guess. its a special purpose language designed for one particular purpose 05:25:13 yeah 05:25:34 but dependent type in agda are completely different from dependent types in C++ 05:27:50 right 05:27:55 i dont even know what C++ dependent types are 05:28:44 they're types that are unknown because they require knowledge of a template paramter to determine 05:28:51 for instance, 'typename T::iterator' 05:29:01 or the type of 't.begin()', if t is of some parameter type 05:29:17 they're a far more boring concept 05:30:28 i dont need to know what they are ;) 05:31:11 see, i'm trying to sort out the difference between a logic that has a rich domain of primitive (non-function) types 05:31:31 and a logic that has no such primitive types, but which has type-checking functions 05:31:37 ah 05:31:59 might want to look at Perl 6 05:32:00 in a sense its essentially a strictly-typed-vs-duck-typed issue, right 05:32:39 yeah, I think so 05:32:50 but then again 05:32:57 but i want to make sure that this is a difference that carries over to the extremely absurd idea of packing _all_ of your predicates into the types 05:33:43 e.g. instead of having like some prolog-esque function f(X,Y) :- g(X,Z), h(Z,Y), lets say 05:34:47 you just have f(X,Y) :- true. where f is defined for this crazy type GH, the members of which are all and only those pairs (X,Y) for which g(X,Z), h(Z,Y) is true 05:35:49 is there a real difference? 05:35:56 thats the question 05:36:01 i dont think so, right 05:36:09 I'd say they're equivalent 05:36:19 since one can be expressed in terms of the other 05:36:23 because if your whole logic is _only_ with predicates (no actual functions, its all pure prology) 05:36:37 then it seems like all you're doing is replacing falsity in one with undefinedness in the other 05:44:05 -!- jpc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:45:57 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has joined. 05:47:48 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 05:51:01 back 05:52:27 hey 05:59:41 poop 05:59:50 oppo 06:05:43 it's 6:05 am i gotta bed myself soon 06:05:58 Perhaps. 06:06:22 pikhq: to clarify, i have to be awake at 12an 06:06:24 *am 06:07:02 Sleep, por favor. 06:07:37 but i am eating first! 06:07:47 I have something of an Oreo addiction. 06:08:15 mm 06:08:25 mm. 06:12:45 i really need to switch to uberman; i suck at monophase 06:12:49 like terribly badly 06:20:27 :/ 06:23:09 lol me too 06:23:15 but uberman would be untenable 06:23:19 6:22, i really have to be in bed soon 06:23:21 coppro: Tesla? 06:23:26 (http://tesser.org/sleep/teslapattern/) 06:23:56 nope 06:24:04 Why not? 06:24:17 because taking a nap in school is not an option for me 06:24:32 Why not? 06:24:36 oh, pre-uni 06:24:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep#Comparison_of_sleep_patterns 06:24:54 would everyman work for you? 06:24:58 i guess not 06:25:00 since it has a nap at midday 06:25:10 incidentally t hose g raphs are awesome 06:25:17 *those graphs 06:25:34 uberman + perfected lucid dreaming and then I'd never have to be unconscious! 06:26:13 right 06:27:02 well just go into cryonic suspension until an in-school nap is tenable 06:27:58 coppro: you could try this insane fucker's schedule: http://gill.tesser.org/ 06:28:03 ~16 naps of 4 minutes 06:28:19 nobody, and i mean *nobody*, cannot disappear for 4 minutes 16 times a day :P 06:30:00 i'm waiting for someone to order me to sleep 06:31:36 also iirc the owner of tesser.org adjusted to uberman while in high school 06:32:20 he may have had a consistent daily schedule with a spare in the middle or something 06:32:31 or he just used his lunch breaks 06:32:35 (maybe he had long ones) 06:33:04 i dare you to do hexadecaphasic 06:34:08 what's Uberman again? 30 minutes every 4 hours? 06:34:42 20 06:35:01 ok 06:35:02 well, 20-30, but 20 is canonical 06:35:07 30, as in dymaxion, is harder iirc 06:35:09 If I didn't need to eat, I could fit that in my day 06:35:18 well go for tesla then 06:35:27 20 minutes * 4 06:35:40 I need to eat though 06:35:47 if the idea of 80 minutes of sleep a day doesn't make you queasy, then the extra 40 minutes should be enough time to fit in eating. 06:36:01 no, the problem is when 06:36:05 my lunch hour is short 06:36:15 well 06:36:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep#Comparison_of_sleep_patterns 06:36:18 go for everyman then 06:36:22 three naps in the day 06:36:23 same problem 06:36:24 one core nap 06:36:33 coppro: you can rearrange the naps you know 06:36:36 as long as they're evenly spaced 06:36:40 yeah 06:36:45 but I'd need to have one over lunch 06:36:48 no real avoiding that 06:36:55 true. 06:36:56 otherwise I'd be going ~7 hours without sleep 06:37:02 well, what other free time do you have in the school day 06:37:33 a spare, but it's not at a consistent hour on a given day 06:37:43 also, I do other stuff where continual conciousness is required 06:37:48 for many hours at a time 06:38:13 not many people actually do one thing continuously for over 4 hours. 06:38:13 hexadecaphasic would be theoretically possible, but I'm not ready to deprive myself of sleep for two weeks 06:38:25 coppro: erm, uberman fucks you up for 10 days 06:38:35 it's not just sleep deprivation that fucks you up it's your body adjusting 06:38:37 ehird: wasn't talking about uberman 06:38:40 simply unavoidable 06:38:42 coppro: i mean that 06:38:45 uberman has the same issue 06:39:21 please god, make me sleepy 06:39:39 or i'll end up on inverse monophase again 06:40:04 ehird: yes I know 06:40:22 but yes, I do stuff where I may quite possibly not have a moment's rest for 7 or 8 hours 06:40:39 I doubt highly. 06:41:57 your doubt does not change the underlying reality 06:42:13 I think it's just an excuse. 06:42:27 negative 06:42:37 Your negations do not change my underlying suspicion. 06:42:42 fair enough 06:43:30 Please convince me to go to bed. 06:43:31 It's almost 7am. 06:43:45 doing anything today? 06:43:51 I need to be up at 12am. 06:44:11 then close your computer, masturbate a little, and the sleep will probably catch up 06:44:37 added to list of "weirdest advice given on IRC". 06:44:49 lol 06:44:58 a list that i should probably not maintain as it's something like 5 billion lines long by now 06:45:06 probably nt 06:45:08 *not 06:46:54 sleep now: 06:46:58 - get barely any sleep 06:47:03 - wake up annoyed 06:47:07 don't sleep: 06:47:08 - get tired 06:47:08 better than no sleep 06:47:14 - end up on inverse monophase, become suicidal 06:47:25 although 06:47:31 depending on how important your stuff is 06:47:42 you may just find it easier to push through to the evening and retire early 06:47:59 i'm terrible at all-nighters, i just fall asleep in the early afternoon 06:48:05 and wake up late at night 06:48:09 i.e. inverse monophase 06:48:15 you need someone/thing to keep you up until the evening 06:48:18 a schedule soulcrushing because you never have any contact with humans or see daylight 06:48:25 if you don't have that, then yeah, don't do it 06:48:33 ehh, i could probably manage it 06:48:35 let me see if the sun is out 06:48:39 if it's out, i'll stay awake 06:48:46 if it's not, ... i'll probably stay awake 06:49:04 I take it you don't drink caffeine much? 06:49:22 false; I drink far too much of it via soft drinks 06:49:27 i probably shouldn't 06:49:27 ah 06:49:42 ok well i find it impossible to really sleep for less than eight hours 06:49:43 eh, you're probably adapted 06:49:49 so best-case waking up time is 15:00 06:49:54 more likely is 17:00 06:50:00 as the later I go to bed the more I need sleep 06:50:05 15:00 is ... half-workable 06:50:08 17:00 is absolutely not 06:50:12 so, that's risky 06:50:15 don't do that 06:50:20 don't do wat 06:50:21 *what 06:50:28 that's a pretty bad sleep schedule to put yourself on 06:50:40 also, if i stay up, and manage to reach the evening, then i can get to bed early 06:50:43 thus waking up early in the morning 06:50:52 thus getting tired not long after it gets dark 06:51:02 thus putting me in an advantageous position for future sleep 06:51:25 downside: pissed off parental overlords (they are, I find, not fans of the inverse monophase schedule) 06:51:27 but ehh 06:51:31 I don't want to wake up when it's dark 06:51:39 so (retroactive) all-nighter it is. 06:52:22 I got up in the afternoon yesterday, anyway, so I should be able to make it 06:52:32 and I was *planning* to go to bed at 3am 06:52:36 *sigh* 06:53:59 ok, i must find some programming to do posthaste to keep my brain awake... and not anything important because i'll fuck it up 06:54:06 euler 06:54:12 or try to learn a language 06:54:25 i don't think my brain takes new concepts in too well when sleeping 06:54:40 good; you won't be sleeping for 10 hours 06:54:42 and project euler doesn't really have any fun results, so my tiredbrain probably won't like it 06:54:47 coppro: erm 06:54:49 when sleepy 06:54:57 :P 06:55:04 i'll work on my scm2c compiler 06:55:09 that's a fun toy project 06:55:42 I remember asking but never getting a good answer; how did they mess up R6RS? 06:56:02 yay, something to do (compiling a response to that) 06:56:03 sec 06:56:29 stupid fucking slow r6rs.org 06:56:36 tired ehird has no patience or manners 06:56:54 fucking piece of shit google cache grr 06:57:11 -!- Guest23566 has quit ("Lost terminal"). 07:07:22 coppro: "Programming languages should be designed not by piling feature on top of feature, but by removing the weaknesses and restrictions that make additional features appear necessary." 07:07:23 So says the preface of R5RS, and by extension R6RS. One of these languages obeys this principle; the one with a six in its name is not it. Furthermore, Scheme is, at heart, a pedagogical language; one for academics. Certainly, one can accomplish practical programming tasks with it, but simplicity is its driving force. 07:07:25 R6RS adds features such as a module system that deals with the nitty-gritty details of "real world" modules. This is practical, certainly, and most likely useful, but not something that belongs in, at least, the core language standard. 07:07:26 Furthermore, R6RS's base language offers basically nothing over R5RS. And then we get to the libraries. Oh, dear; the libraries. "Bytevectors"; a mere specialisation of vectors to byte elements. That is an optimisation for the compiler to perform, not something that goes in the core language. Scheme is already hard enough to compile efficiency; this is just unneeded ugliness. 07:07:28 Exceptions. Again a nitty-gritty specification of something that Scheme already has, in an SRFI. R6RS seems to think that SRFIs aren't a good enough way to define additional libraries, and it should instead wantonly define them itself. This is antisocial at best. 07:07:32 syntax-case, a supported-elsewhere, complicated macro system. Are simple syntax-rules hygenic macros really so bad that we had to add this to the standard? 07:07:35 Hashtables. Even here the name makes a laughing stock out of what Scheme is; a hashtable is an implementation detail of an associative array; indeed, even the "array" part is an implementation detail here, so perhaps associative map would be the best terminology. It's sundry; clearly little thought was put into this, least of all to whether it actually fit into Scheme. 07:07:40 Also, note that only 65.7% of the electors voted to approve R6RS; i.e. 34.3% opposed it. And R6RS wouldn't have passed depending on a wording detail: 65.7% of electors who *voted* said Yes. Apparently it used to be all electors in general, or at least there was some confusion. So, R6RS was not even widely accepted by the voters. This is reflected in the small set of R6RS implementations; indeed, no R5RS implementations have moved to R6RS. 07:07:45 For further opinions on this matter, I direct you to the No votes at http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:V7u6JmG9CTYJ:www.r6rs.org/ratification/results.html+http://www.r6rs.org/ratification/results.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a. I wouldn't bother reading the Yes votes; most of them don't have any arguments as is typical of such things. But a lot of the No votes very eloquently, and in quite a few cases verbosely, argue against R6RS. 07:07:50 I don't think R6RS is all that bad a language in itself, but it's certainly a bad Scheme. 07:08:30 ok, thanks 07:08:37 this your writing or a copy/paste? 07:09:18 I wrote it, yes. 07:09:54 Oh my fucking god, you can make computer cases out of lego 07:10:02 Behold: http://monochrome.yudia.net/images/legopc/DSCN0708.JPG 07:11:21 of course you can 07:11:25 they're just boxes mang 07:11:27 Yes, but, shut up. 07:12:03 It'd be cool if you made it entirely out of black lego bricks. Boring standard case from afar, lego monstrosity from close-up. 07:12:13 Also a hinge made out of legoii to make a door. Or something. 07:12:16 I'm slightly incoherent when tired. 07:20:50 i forgot the downside to not sleeping 07:20:53 you can't think properly 07:28:35 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:29:12 -!- coppro has joined. 07:29:16 wb coppro 07:30:27 hmm... does anyone know a nonsense game designed for the mentally handicapped involving yelling 07:30:34 what 07:31:01 `addquote hmm... does anyone know a nonsense game designed for the mentally handicapped involving yelling 07:31:07 I have a sudden urge to describe something as 'It is a game \ played by an idiot, full of sound and fury, \ signifying nothing.' 07:31:09 115| hmm... does anyone know a nonsense game designed for the mentally handicapped involving yelling 07:31:14 coppro: >_< 07:31:19 mm 07:31:20 *hmm 07:31:25 is the quote better without the second line? 07:31:27 i think so :P 07:31:29 yes 07:31:34 the second line makes it sound almost reasonable 07:31:55 well, you didn't get the fury bit in 07:32:14 also, it'd have been better making it a story involving that yelling instead of a game, to more closely match the original 07:32:17 yelling is usually associated with fury 07:32:23 true. 07:34:41 http://www.theonion.com/content/news/dubai_debt_crisis_halts_building 07:35:22 ha 07:35:28 dubai is such a shitty plcae 07:35:30 *place 07:36:35 haha they've also got one 'Gay Teen Worried he Might be Christian' 07:45:56 old :P 07:46:41 GIMP is so slow to start up 07:46:58 yeah :( 07:47:08 and it still has that horrible toolbox thing 07:47:37 apparently the designers of the GIMP have never attempted to use it simultaneously with another application 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:03:27 asdfgjk 08:09:33 i need to eat soon or i will surely fall asleep 08:09:40 coppro: btw can you remove those retarded plasmoid icon things 08:09:43 on the panel and desktop 08:10:19 if you lock the widgets, the panel one goes away 08:10:25 don't think you can get rid of the desktop one 08:11:56 coppro: also, re: adjusting to caffeine (yeah yeah raising statements from the dead) i don't think that's actually possible, after all caffeine fucks up polyphasic sleep regardless 08:12:10 which is why people give up caffeine and alcohol for a good time when switching 08:12:14 preferably indefinitely 08:12:17 if it was taken in regular doses it probably wouldn't 08:12:25 nope 08:12:27 it does 08:12:34 since it makes you miss naps, full stop 08:12:35 regular meaning throughout the day 08:12:46 not just like once a day 08:12:55 after a couple weeks of caffeination, the brain compensates 08:13:46 cite 08:14:05 * coppro will find 08:14:28 (note that it would have to be very carefully controlled to make sure the brain had a near-constant caffeine level 08:14:40 and thus totally useless for actual caffeine drinking 08:14:46 which is good for staying awake 08:15:55 ehird: Wikipedia mentions it; though I'm too lazy to run through their sources 08:16:10 k 08:16:52 caffeine inhibits adenosine so the body adds adenosine receptors 08:17:13 this will balance out 08:17:55 i wonder if chocolate hurts polyphasic sleep too 08:18:15 probably 08:18:39 why? does it have any effect other than making you happy? 08:18:44 it has caffeine in it 08:18:53 not in large quantities, but if you had lots of chocolate, you'd notice 08:19:18 ah, true 08:21:21 coppro: what about raw chocoltae? :p 08:21:23 most of my caffeine intake is through chocolate and the occasional soft drink, and I don't normally have a lot of that. I like this because it means if I really need a boost, I can drink something strongly caffeinated and I really feel it 08:21:23 *chocolate 08:21:29 (http://www.therawchocolatecompany.com/) 08:22:12 coppro: I really ought to find a drink that I can drink offhand more-or-less continuously throughout the day that isn't of questionable healthiness 08:22:20 But I'm lazy. 08:22:38 a non-caffeinated soft drink? 08:22:59 coppro: that still has five tons of sugar 08:23:08 true 08:23:13 water's not bad 08:24:30 hmm... I probably consume a tonne of water every year 08:24:31 i find the water supply in this country to be distasteful, and bottled water to be wasteful and ridiculous 08:24:42 so I drink very little water, generally 08:24:47 oh, that sucks :( 08:25:00 (distasteful as in crappy, not as in literally distasteful) 08:25:05 I could buy a water filter 08:25:11 i guess 08:25:15 yeah, it's good 08:25:44 but i dunno, i kinda like tasting things :p 08:26:01 heh 08:26:16 when I want something like that, I usually go with fruit juice of some description 08:26:17 usually apple 08:26:33 but not the horribly watered-down stuff 08:26:52 there's a fine line between taste and too much taste, though 08:28:02 * ehird yawns 08:29:07 bad ehird 08:29:47 what 08:31:31 no sleeping! 08:31:53 http://rawchocshop.com/detail.asp?prodID=23&anch=1 08:31:57 The most hardcore bar of chocolate, ever 08:32:01 100% raw cacao chocolate bar 08:32:43 I'd imagine that to be rather bitter 08:33:57 You don't say 08:38:12 I can't even eat 80% 08:38:23 Apparently past 80% it takes on a whole new consistency 08:38:37 I had some I think 80% once and enjoyed it, if I had small pieces 08:39:26 coppro: http://www.keacher.com/?p=388 08:39:30 Comparison of 85% to 99% 08:39:52 I love the warnings 08:39:58 It's like "THIS IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH" 08:40:30 I'd break off a big chunk and chomp on it just to subvert their authority, man 08:40:39 It's also... completely black 08:42:38 * coppro wonders if callebaut makes super-dark chocolate 08:43:19 Maybe my main drink should be Swig Ingest Drink :P 08:43:34 (My ephemeral, ill-specified, vaporware home-made soft drink, inspired by Gregor's efforts.) 08:51:38 Gregor's entirely successful efforts. 08:51:54 Was that sarcasm or joy? 08:52:33 My efforts were in fact entirely successful. 08:52:37 My gingersnap soda is fantabulous. 08:53:03 ...that sounds far too delicious to exist. 08:53:05 Send me some. 08:53:44 Except make them with ginger nuts instead, dammit, I'm a Brit. 08:54:53 yawn 08:55:06 Gregor: Anyway, you said that adding acidy thingybob made it... less acidic, right? 08:55:19 (Acidy thingybob *not* being acid. (Has anyone made LSD soda?)) 08:56:40 .... 08:56:43 Citric acid? 08:56:49 I'm sleep deprived, you know. 08:56:55 Coherency is optional and discouraged. 08:57:02 Adding citric acid made it more acidic. 08:57:06 Yes, but better. 08:57:07 Somehow? 08:57:08 But it's vital that it be acidic. 08:57:09 Yeah. 08:57:15 Why 08:57:17