< 1263600006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1263600017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know if i experimented with fungoids in the 90s i'd be pretty scared of people coming up to me and blabbing about them < 1263600019 0 :anmaster_t!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, log reader? < 1263600028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_t: I'm gonna guess "no". < 1263600049 0 :anmaster_t!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he know I worked on befunge109 though < 1263600062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random madmen on the street < 1263600147 0 :anmaster_t!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that panorama is fitting btw. Wave university and everything < 1263600147 0 :anmaster_t!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is really very wavy to get a straight horizon < 1263600186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf i'm lagged, the logs show cpressey leaving before my greeting... < 1263600203 0 :soupdragon!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1263600278 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263600338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatsoup, dragon < 1263600422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:58] cpressey: long time no see < 1263600424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:58] oh that is c pressey there. Didn't notice at first < 1263600425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:58] hi < 1263600427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:58] ehird, cynical since 1991 < 1263600428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:58] 'Night, folks. < 1263600429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:58] <-- cpressey has left this channel. < 1263600431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that lagged for me < 1263600437 0 :anmaster_t!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same here < 1263600502 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1263600566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'll upload example stitch tomorrow hopefully. really need to sleep now, test tomorrow afternoon (sucks to have that on a Saturday) < 1263600589 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263600589 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263600589 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1263600589 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263600589 0 :mtve!n=nnnnnmtv@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263600610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag continuum < 1263600680 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1263600688 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263600717 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag o morph < 1263600755 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263600922 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263600922 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263600922 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263600922 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263600922 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263601175 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263601175 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263601175 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-188.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1263601175 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263601175 0 :mtve!n=nnnnnmtv@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263601380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: you mean jumpy and could be beaten by a tortoise? < 1263601392 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roughly < 1263601489 0 :anmaster_t!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1263601627 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lifthrasiir < 1263601889 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263601904 0 :jix!n=jix@cyb0rg.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1263602267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Here's one preliminary stitch of the CS building: http://zem.fi/~fis/cs.jpg -- it's a bit seamy, and I doubt anything can be done to the railing immediately in front, since it's sort of important that what's behind it lines up properly. < 1263602507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: see, it should look curved like that in real life < 1263602507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you agree that it would be prettier? < 1263602507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the curved metal, especially < 1263602645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland is too cold for metal to curve < 1263602756 0 :augur!n=augur@c-68-33-240-147.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263602909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of pipeline language: < 1263602912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort: divide | sort | splice pivot | cat < 1263602913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pivot: [length/2] < 1263602915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :divide: split (<= pivot) < 1263602952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The intention is that you can parallelise it; so, since divide splits one list into two, "sort" would be run on them in parallel, then when they're both done, splice would insert pivot in-between them, and cat would concatenate all of them.) < 1263602963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] being array access, not creation. < 1263602971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's quicksort.) < 1263603574 0 :augur_!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263603873 0 :augur__!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263604061 0 :augur__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263604072 0 :augur__!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263604115 0 :augur__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263604226 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263604231 0 :augur_!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263604961 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1263606247 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263607485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1263609604 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263609807 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1263610413 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263612496 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1263614811 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1263615927 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263616822 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263618263 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-13-214.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1263618473 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you here < 1263618485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1263618517 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme ask you < 1263618528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i think you'd be knowledgable on this < 1263618704 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it called when you take functions in the object language and turn them into type constraints < 1263618789 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the simple case its just having a typed programming language, right < 1263618812 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of doing lots of return nil unless someArg.is_a? Numeric < 1263618814 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1263618828 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just type your function Numeric -> YaddaYadda < 1263618891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for slightly more complex stuff, instead of 'return nil unless someArg.square > 5' you type your function some silly type and then its just dependent types, right < 1263618932 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would it still be dependent types if you turned _all_ of your predicates into types like that? < 1263618939 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263618967 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. instead of 'return nil unless x < y' you type your function in such a way that its only defined on pairs of numbers such that x < y < 1263618978 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that still just dependent typing? or is that slightly more complex? < 1263619208 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: unfortunately, the term 'dependent type' is overloaded < 1263619212 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1263619274 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember the name of that language ehird talked about
< 1263619373 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages blur the distinction between types and values as well < 1263619374 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epilog? twelf? agda? < 1263619379 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda was the one < 1263619384 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epogram, rather. < 1263619386 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. epigram. :| < 1263619396 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they are conceptually different, their use gets blended together < 1263619413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda is less a language and more a program, but ok < 1263619453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, its kind of both i guess. its a special purpose language designed for one particular purpose < 1263619513 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1263619534 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dependent type in agda are completely different from dependent types in C++ < 1263619670 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1263619675 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even know what C++ dependent types are < 1263619724 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're types that are unknown because they require knowledge of a template paramter to determine < 1263619731 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, 'typename T::iterator' < 1263619741 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the type of 't.begin()', if t is of some parameter type < 1263619757 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a far more boring concept < 1263619828 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont need to know what they are ;) < 1263619871 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i'm trying to sort out the difference between a logic that has a rich domain of primitive (non-function) types < 1263619891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a logic that has no such primitive types, but which has type-checking functions < 1263619897 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263619919 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might want to look at Perl 6 < 1263619920 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense its essentially a strictly-typed-vs-duck-typed issue, right < 1263619959 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think so < 1263619970 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again < 1263619977 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want to make sure that this is a difference that carries over to the extremely absurd idea of packing _all_ of your predicates into the types < 1263620023 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. instead of having like some prolog-esque function f(X,Y) :- g(X,Z), h(Z,Y), lets say < 1263620087 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have f(X,Y) :- true. where f is defined for this crazy type GH, the members of which are all and only those pairs (X,Y) for which g(X,Z), h(Z,Y) is true < 1263620149 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a real difference? < 1263620156 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the question < 1263620161 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think so, right < 1263620169 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say they're equivalent < 1263620179 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since one can be expressed in terms of the other < 1263620183 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if your whole logic is _only_ with predicates (no actual functions, its all pure prology) < 1263620197 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it seems like all you're doing is replacing falsity in one with undefinedness in the other < 1263620645 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263620757 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-180-240.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263620868 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263621061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1263621147 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1263621581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop < 1263621590 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oppo < 1263621943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 6:05 am i gotta bed myself soon < 1263621958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1263621982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: to clarify, i have to be awake at 12an < 1263621984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*am < 1263622022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep, por favor. < 1263622057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am eating first! < 1263622067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have something of an Oreo addiction. < 1263622095 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1263622105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. < 1263622365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really need to switch to uberman; i suck at monophase < 1263622369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like terribly badly < 1263622827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1263622989 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol me too < 1263622995 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uberman would be untenable < 1263622999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:22, i really have to be in bed soon < 1263623001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Tesla? < 1263623006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://tesser.org/sleep/teslapattern/) < 1263623036 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1263623044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1263623057 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because taking a nap in school is not an option for me < 1263623072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1263623076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, pre-uni < 1263623091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep#Comparison_of_sleep_patterns < 1263623094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would everyman work for you? < 1263623098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1263623100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it has a nap at midday < 1263623110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally t hose g raphs are awesome < 1263623117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*those graphs < 1263623134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberman + perfected lucid dreaming and then I'd never have to be unconscious! < 1263623173 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1263623222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just go into cryonic suspension until an in-school nap is tenable < 1263623278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you could try this insane fucker's schedule: http://gill.tesser.org/ < 1263623283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~16 naps of 4 minutes < 1263623299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody, and i mean *nobody*, cannot disappear for 4 minutes 16 times a day :P < 1263623400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm waiting for someone to order me to sleep < 1263623496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also iirc the owner of tesser.org adjusted to uberman while in high school < 1263623540 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may have had a consistent daily schedule with a spare in the middle or something < 1263623551 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he just used his lunch breaks < 1263623555 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe he had long ones) < 1263623584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dare you to do hexadecaphasic < 1263623648 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Uberman again? 30 minutes every 4 hours? < 1263623682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 < 1263623701 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1263623702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 20-30, but 20 is canonical < 1263623707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30, as in dymaxion, is harder iirc < 1263623709 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I didn't need to eat, I could fit that in my day < 1263623718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well go for tesla then < 1263623727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 minutes * 4 < 1263623740 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to eat though < 1263623747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the idea of 80 minutes of sleep a day doesn't make you queasy, then the extra 40 minutes should be enough time to fit in eating. < 1263623761 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the problem is when < 1263623765 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lunch hour is short < 1263623775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1263623777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep#Comparison_of_sleep_patterns < 1263623778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for everyman then < 1263623782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three naps in the day < 1263623783 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same problem < 1263623784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one core nap < 1263623793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you can rearrange the naps you know < 1263623796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they're evenly spaced < 1263623800 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1263623805 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd need to have one over lunch < 1263623808 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no real avoiding that < 1263623815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1263623816 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I'd be going ~7 hours without sleep < 1263623822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what other free time do you have in the school day < 1263623853 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spare, but it's not at a consistent hour on a given day < 1263623863 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I do other stuff where continual conciousness is required < 1263623868 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for many hours at a time < 1263623893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many people actually do one thing continuously for over 4 hours. < 1263623893 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexadecaphasic would be theoretically possible, but I'm not ready to deprive myself of sleep for two weeks < 1263623905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: erm, uberman fucks you up for 10 days < 1263623915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just sleep deprivation that fucks you up it's your body adjusting < 1263623917 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wasn't talking about uberman < 1263623920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply unavoidable < 1263623922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i mean that < 1263623925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberman has the same issue < 1263623961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please god, make me sleepy < 1263623979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i'll end up on inverse monophase again < 1263624004 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes I know < 1263624022 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I do stuff where I may quite possibly not have a moment's rest for 7 or 8 hours < 1263624039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt highly. < 1263624117 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your doubt does not change the underlying reality < 1263624133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just an excuse. < 1263624147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative < 1263624157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your negations do not change my underlying suspicion. < 1263624162 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1263624210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please convince me to go to bed. < 1263624211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost 7am. < 1263624225 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing anything today? < 1263624231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to be up at 12am. < 1263624251 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then close your computer, masturbate a little, and the sleep will probably catch up < 1263624277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :added to list of "weirdest advice given on IRC". < 1263624289 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1263624298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a list that i should probably not maintain as it's something like 5 billion lines long by now < 1263624306 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably nt < 1263624308 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1263624414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep now: < 1263624418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- get barely any sleep < 1263624423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- wake up annoyed < 1263624427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't sleep: < 1263624428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- get tired < 1263624428 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than no sleep < 1263624434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- end up on inverse monophase, become suicidal < 1263624445 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1263624451 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how important your stuff is < 1263624462 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may just find it easier to push through to the evening and retire early < 1263624479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm terrible at all-nighters, i just fall asleep in the early afternoon < 1263624485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wake up late at night < 1263624489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. inverse monophase < 1263624495 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need someone/thing to keep you up until the evening < 1263624498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a schedule soulcrushing because you never have any contact with humans or see daylight < 1263624505 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have that, then yeah, don't do it < 1263624513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh, i could probably manage it < 1263624515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if the sun is out < 1263624519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's out, i'll stay awake < 1263624526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not, ... i'll probably stay awake < 1263624544 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you don't drink caffeine much? < 1263624562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false; I drink far too much of it via soft drinks < 1263624567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably shouldn't < 1263624567 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263624582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well i find it impossible to really sleep for less than eight hours < 1263624583 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, you're probably adapted < 1263624589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so best-case waking up time is 15:00 < 1263624594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely is 17:00 < 1263624600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the later I go to bed the more I need sleep < 1263624605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:00 is ... half-workable < 1263624608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:00 is absolutely not < 1263624612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, that's risky < 1263624615 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do that < 1263624620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do wat < 1263624621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what < 1263624628 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty bad sleep schedule to put yourself on < 1263624640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if i stay up, and manage to reach the evening, then i can get to bed early < 1263624643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus waking up early in the morning < 1263624652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus getting tired not long after it gets dark < 1263624662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus putting me in an advantageous position for future sleep < 1263624685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downside: pissed off parental overlords (they are, I find, not fans of the inverse monophase schedule) < 1263624687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ehh < 1263624691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to wake up when it's dark < 1263624699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (retroactive) all-nighter it is. < 1263624742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got up in the afternoon yesterday, anyway, so I should be able to make it < 1263624752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was *planning* to go to bed at 3am < 1263624756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1263624839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i must find some programming to do posthaste to keep my brain awake... and not anything important because i'll fuck it up < 1263624846 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :euler < 1263624852 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or try to learn a language < 1263624865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think my brain takes new concepts in too well when sleeping < 1263624880 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good; you won't be sleeping for 10 hours < 1263624882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and project euler doesn't really have any fun results, so my tiredbrain probably won't like it < 1263624887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: erm < 1263624889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when sleepy < 1263624897 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1263624904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll work on my scm2c compiler < 1263624909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fun toy project < 1263624942 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember asking but never getting a good answer; how did they mess up R6RS? < 1263624962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, something to do (compiling a response to that) < 1263624963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1263624989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid fucking slow r6rs.org < 1263624996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired ehird has no patience or manners < 1263625014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking piece of shit google cache grr < 1263625031 0 :Guest23566!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1263625642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "Programming languages should be designed not by piling feature on top of feature, but by removing the weaknesses and restrictions that make additional features appear necessary." < 1263625643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So says the preface of R5RS, and by extension R6RS. One of these languages obeys this principle; the one with a six in its name is not it. Furthermore, Scheme is, at heart, a pedagogical language; one for academics. Certainly, one can accomplish practical programming tasks with it, but simplicity is its driving force. < 1263625645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R6RS adds features such as a module system that deals with the nitty-gritty details of "real world" modules. This is practical, certainly, and most likely useful, but not something that belongs in, at least, the core language standard. < 1263625646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, R6RS's base language offers basically nothing over R5RS. And then we get to the libraries. Oh, dear; the libraries. "Bytevectors"; a mere specialisation of vectors to byte elements. That is an optimisation for the compiler to perform, not something that goes in the core language. Scheme is already hard enough to compile efficiency; this is just unneeded ugliness. < 1263625648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceptions. Again a nitty-gritty specification of something that Scheme already has, in an SRFI. R6RS seems to think that SRFIs aren't a good enough way to define additional libraries, and it should instead wantonly define them itself. This is antisocial at best. < 1263625652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax-case, a supported-elsewhere, complicated macro system. Are simple syntax-rules hygenic macros really so bad that we had to add this to the standard? < 1263625655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hashtables. Even here the name makes a laughing stock out of what Scheme is; a hashtable is an implementation detail of an associative array; indeed, even the "array" part is an implementation detail here, so perhaps associative map would be the best terminology. It's sundry; clearly little thought was put into this, least of all to whether it actually fit into Scheme. < 1263625660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, note that only 65.7% of the electors voted to approve R6RS; i.e. 34.3% opposed it. And R6RS wouldn't have passed depending on a wording detail: 65.7% of electors who *voted* said Yes. Apparently it used to be all electors in general, or at least there was some confusion. So, R6RS was not even widely accepted by the voters. This is reflected in the small set of R6RS implementations; indeed, no R5RS implementations have moved to R6RS. < 1263625665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For further opinions on this matter, I direct you to the No votes at http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:V7u6JmG9CTYJ:www.r6rs.org/ratification/results.html+http://www.r6rs.org/ratification/results.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a. I wouldn't bother reading the Yes votes; most of them don't have any arguments as is typical of such things. But a lot of the No votes very eloquently, and in quite a few cases verbosely, argue against R6RS. < 1263625670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think R6RS is all that bad a language in itself, but it's certainly a bad Scheme. < 1263625710 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks < 1263625717 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this your writing or a copy/paste? < 1263625758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it, yes. < 1263625794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my fucking god, you can make computer cases out of lego < 1263625802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold: http://monochrome.yudia.net/images/legopc/DSCN0708.JPG < 1263625881 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can < 1263625885 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just boxes mang < 1263625887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but, shut up. < 1263625923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be cool if you made it entirely out of black lego bricks. Boring standard case from afar, lego monstrosity from close-up. < 1263625933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a hinge made out of legoii to make a door. Or something. < 1263625936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly incoherent when tired. < 1263626450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the downside to not sleeping < 1263626453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't think properly < 1263626915 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263626952 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1263626956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb coppro < 1263627027 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... does anyone know a nonsense game designed for the mentally handicapped involving yelling < 1263627034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1263627061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote hmm... does anyone know a nonsense game designed for the mentally handicapped involving yelling < 1263627067 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sudden urge to describe something as 'It is a game \ played by an idiot, full of sound and fury, \ signifying nothing.' < 1263627069 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :115| hmm... does anyone know a nonsense game designed for the mentally handicapped involving yelling < 1263627074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: >_< < 1263627079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1263627080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hmm < 1263627085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the quote better without the second line? < 1263627087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so :P < 1263627089 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1263627094 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second line makes it sound almost reasonable < 1263627115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you didn't get the fury bit in < 1263627134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it'd have been better making it a story involving that yelling instead of a game, to more closely match the original < 1263627137 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yelling is usually associated with fury < 1263627143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1263627281 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/content/news/dubai_debt_crisis_halts_building < 1263627322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1263627328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubai is such a shitty plcae < 1263627330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*place < 1263627395 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha they've also got one 'Gay Teen Worried he Might be Christian' < 1263627956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old :P < 1263628001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIMP is so slow to start up < 1263628018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :( < 1263628028 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it still has that horrible toolbox thing < 1263628057 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the designers of the GIMP have never attempted to use it simultaneously with another application < 1263628799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1263628800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1263629007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfgjk < 1263629373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to eat soon or i will surely fall asleep < 1263629380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: btw can you remove those retarded plasmoid icon things < 1263629383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the panel and desktop < 1263629419 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you lock the widgets, the panel one goes away < 1263629425 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think you can get rid of the desktop one < 1263629516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: also, re: adjusting to caffeine (yeah yeah raising statements from the dead) i don't think that's actually possible, after all caffeine fucks up polyphasic sleep regardless < 1263629530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why people give up caffeine and alcohol for a good time when switching < 1263629534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably indefinitely < 1263629537 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was taken in regular doses it probably wouldn't < 1263629545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1263629547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1263629554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it makes you miss naps, full stop < 1263629555 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular meaning throughout the day < 1263629566 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just like once a day < 1263629575 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a couple weeks of caffeination, the brain compensates < 1263629626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cite < 1263629645 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will find
< 1263629668 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that it would have to be very carefully controlled to make sure the brain had a near-constant caffeine level < 1263629680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus totally useless for actual caffeine drinking < 1263629686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good for staying awake < 1263629755 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Wikipedia mentions it; though I'm too lazy to run through their sources < 1263629770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1263629812 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caffeine inhibits adenosine so the body adds adenosine receptors < 1263629833 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will balance out < 1263629875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if chocolate hurts polyphasic sleep too < 1263629895 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1263629919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? does it have any effect other than making you happy? < 1263629924 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has caffeine in it < 1263629933 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in large quantities, but if you had lots of chocolate, you'd notice < 1263629958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, true < 1263630081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what about raw chocoltae? :p < 1263630083 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my caffeine intake is through chocolate and the occasional soft drink, and I don't normally have a lot of that. I like this because it means if I really need a boost, I can drink something strongly caffeinated and I really feel it < 1263630083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chocolate < 1263630089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.therawchocolatecompany.com/) < 1263630132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I really ought to find a drink that I can drink offhand more-or-less continuously throughout the day that isn't of questionable healthiness < 1263630140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm lazy. < 1263630158 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a non-caffeinated soft drink? < 1263630179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that still has five tons of sugar < 1263630188 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1263630193 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water's not bad < 1263630270 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I probably consume a tonne of water every year < 1263630271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find the water supply in this country to be distasteful, and bottled water to be wasteful and ridiculous < 1263630282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I drink very little water, generally < 1263630287 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that sucks :( < 1263630300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(distasteful as in crappy, not as in literally distasteful) < 1263630305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could buy a water filter < 1263630311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1263630315 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's good < 1263630344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dunno, i kinda like tasting things :p < 1263630361 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1263630376 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I want something like that, I usually go with fruit juice of some description < 1263630377 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually apple < 1263630393 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the horribly watered-down stuff < 1263630412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a fine line between taste and too much taste, though < 1263630482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns
< 1263630547 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad ehird < 1263630587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1263630691 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sleeping! < 1263630713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rawchocshop.com/detail.asp?prodID=23&anch=1 < 1263630717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most hardcore bar of chocolate, ever < 1263630721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% raw cacao chocolate bar < 1263630763 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine that to be rather bitter < 1263630837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't say < 1263631092 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even eat 80% < 1263631103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently past 80% it takes on a whole new consistency < 1263631117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some I think 80% once and enjoyed it, if I had small pieces < 1263631166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.keacher.com/?p=388 < 1263631170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparison of 85% to 99% < 1263631192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the warnings < 1263631198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like "THIS IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH" < 1263631230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd break off a big chunk and chomp on it just to subvert their authority, man < 1263631239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also... completely black < 1263631358 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if callebaut makes super-dark chocolate
< 1263631399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my main drink should be Swig Ingest Drink :P < 1263631414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My ephemeral, ill-specified, vaporware home-made soft drink, inspired by Gregor's efforts.) < 1263631898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's entirely successful efforts. < 1263631914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that sarcasm or joy? < 1263631953 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My efforts were in fact entirely successful. < 1263631957 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gingersnap soda is fantabulous. < 1263631983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that sounds far too delicious to exist. < 1263631985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send me some. < 1263632024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except make them with ginger nuts instead, dammit, I'm a Brit. < 1263632093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1263632106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, you said that adding acidy thingybob made it... less acidic, right? < 1263632119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Acidy thingybob *not* being acid. (Has anyone made LSD soda?)) < 1263632200 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1263632203 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citric acid? < 1263632209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sleep deprived, you know. < 1263632215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coherency is optional and discouraged. < 1263632222 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding citric acid made it more acidic. < 1263632226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but better. < 1263632227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow? < 1263632228 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's vital that it be acidic. < 1263632229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1263632235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why < 1263632237 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have the right bite unless it's acidic. < 1263632244 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The carbonation doesn't feel right. < 1263632257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to avoid bite, though. < 1263632265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was meant to be the worlds first smooth soft drink. :P < 1263632285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, best spam site technique ever: "Allow the next page a few seconds to load... Email: [ ] [ Free Instant Access! ]" < 1263632289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page source has no redirection code whatsoever < 1263632297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feeds it mailinator
< 1263632303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to mailinator < 1263632306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to attempt it without the citric acid, but the carbonation simply doesn't /feel/ right (by which I do mean feel, mouthfeel) unless it's acidic. < 1263632322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you quantify that? < 1263632338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/4Tsp citric acid per 5 cups water. < 1263632364 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you actually want me to qualify that? :P < 1263632376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, the page is basically "Cloud computing will kill Microsoft. The japs are doing it. I'll Fed-Ex you the scoop 100% FREE please give me your details." < 1263632403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Quantify the mouthfeel issue, I mean. < 1263632434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a ridiculous idea
< 1263632443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 100% raw chocolate bar, in a soda. < 1263632457 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do have chocolate soda here :P < 1263632466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But is it 100% uncooked cacao? < 1263632468 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to describe ... there's a tingling, poppiness to the carbonation of real soda that's lost without it. < 1263632480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, that would be horrendous and bitter. Unless you add sugar of course. < 1263632483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the sort-of-burning sensation? < 1263632485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except without the heat < 1263632502 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, it does add that, but it's more than that. < 1263632502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(100% raw cacao soda: Also combinable with my popular Fisherman's Fiend recipe to produce the worst drink ever.) < 1263632531 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to describe, suffice it to say that I tried a few times without, then decided to add it, and went "OH. That's why it wasn't soda." < 1263632542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright then < 1263632562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you should make Fisherman's Fiend. < 1263632574 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy :P < 1263632582 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make snoring sounds instead. < 1263632585 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(While sleeping) < 1263632587 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zzz* < 1263632590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But Fisherman's Fiend < 1263632592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is < 1263632593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The < 1263632595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second-Worst < 1263632596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drink < 1263632598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever! < 1263632609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(First is 100% raw cacao soda + Fisherman's Fiend, third is 100% raw cacao soda.) < 1263634195 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember the shortcut he has to close a window with a click that isn't on the X
< 1263634205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-f2 xkill enter click < 1263634227 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a normal close, not a kill < 1263634235 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Ctrl-Esc is faster) < 1263634244 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1263634248 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it is < 1263634254 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I'm trying to remember, it's escaped me < 1263634276 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-Alt-Esc < 1263634436 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, appears to be no option for that < 1263634438 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1263636412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asd < 1263636839 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263637120 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1263637361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t vAppend (VCons 1 VNil) (VCons 2 (VCons 3 VNil)) < 1263637362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vAppend (VCons 1 VNil) (VCons 2 (VCons 3 VNil)) < 1263637364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: (Num t) => < 1263637365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vec (TyPlus (TySucc TyZero) (TySucc (TySucc TyZero))) t < 1263637390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t vHead . vTail . vTail $ vAppend (VCons 1 VNil) (VCons 2 (VCons 3 VNil)) < 1263637392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vHead . vTail . vTail $ vAppend (VCons 1 VNil) (VCons 2 (VCons 3 VNil)) < 1263637393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: (Num a) => a < 1263637395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :t vHead . vTail . vTail . vTail $ vAppend (VCons 1 VNil) (VCons 2 (VCons 3 VNil)) < 1263637396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(type error) < 1263637406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dependent typing in Haskell? Yeah, we do that. Basically. < 1263637506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now accepting theses on why my brain is currently incapable of comprehending the idea of window management but can whip up type-level computation in haskell in a snap < 1263638316 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thesis is a poorly structured essay that depends heavily on a generalised reading of Snow Crash in the eponymous novel, combined with some stuff taken from the back of sugar packets about hippocampi < 1263638392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: that sentence is pœtic and beautiful to me, is that worrying? < 1263638405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> evenClub NSZero Refl < 1263638407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1263638408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> evenClub (NSSucc NSZero) Refl < 1263638410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:25: < 1263638411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `TyNEven (TySucc TyZero)' < 1263638412 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but if i'd known, that would have been worthy of a chapter < 1263638413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `TyTrue' < 1263638414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of `evenClub', namely `Refl' < 1263638416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: evenClub (NSSucc NSZero) Refl < 1263638417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the definition of `it': it = evenClub (NSSucc NSZero) Refl < 1263638419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YEAH I'M DEPENDN' < 1263638424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wasn't stealing all my tricks from She I'd actually feel accomplished < 1263638439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i am so writing a preprocessor to generate the fuck out of this shit though, automatic function → type family conversion is gold < 1263638587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so brilliant < 1263638918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit do i need some sort of type ... reification ... to other types... thing < 1263638922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck if i do that is bad < 1263638942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I know < 1263639253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i will write a dependently-typed lambda calculus implementation in haskell < 1263639267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why my brain focuses on types over values when tired < 1263639925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Here's one preliminary stitch of the CS building: http://zem.fi/~fis/cs.jpg -- it's a bit seamy, and I doubt anything can be done to the railing immediately in front, since it's sort of important that what's behind it lines up properly. <-- nice. Btw I have some ideas of how such problems could be "fixed" < 1263639934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugin certainly can't < 1263639975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my idea is using parallax to build up a (partial) 3D model of the scene to be able to stitch a panorama out of it < 1263640023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> let foo = Lam 0 (Var 1) (Lam 2 (Var 3) (Var 0)) < 1263640063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> infer Map.empty foo < 1263640063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lam 0 (Var 42) (Lam 2 (Var 42) (Var 1)) < 1263640063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close but no cigar :( < 1263640063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be Lam 0 (Var 1) (Lam 2 (Var 3) (Var 0)) < 1263640149 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1263640180 0 :anmaster_t!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1263640196 0 :anmaster_t!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :anmaster_l < 1263640487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For contrast, I am currently optimizing another view of the same scene; this time done by taking a two-minute videoclip of waving the N900 around, then extracting every fifth frame (344 images in total) and feeding that to Hugin. < 1263640563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video capture resolution is just 848x480, so the resolution won't be so good; and there's a lot of motion blurring going on. It would probably work better if I auto-selected sharp frames instead of taking every fifth. < 1263640612 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1263640644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also rather slow to optimize 1031 parameters (343 times yaw+pitch+roll, plus view+barrel) using about 10000 control points. < 1263640680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I managed to get hugin so swap-trashy I had to finally kill it, in the exposure optimization step. Going to have to retry with a smaller number of points. < 1263640761 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263642024 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1263642034 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263642250 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263642430 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263642490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assqx < 1263642497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assistant... qx < 1263642500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality Xcellence < 1263642510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assistant quality excellence, one who assists in the verification of excellence of quality < 1263642512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assqx < 1263642554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrslrtk < 1263642565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chalice roads lamer rectal tick < 1263642571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrslrtk < 1263642742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toijsdiojh < 1263642775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toys ima[jg]ine salviate dinner orange juice h < 1263642778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h... < 1263642779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1263642781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toys ima[jg]ine salviate dinner orange juice hello < 1263642784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toijsdiojh < 1263642978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, run it on that 64 GB ram system ;P < 1263642980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1263643146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flightless arsenhůven < 1263643153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ůven, œven, i want a character in between < 1263643158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like oue without the e, ligatury < 1263643174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be worth arsenhouvening for < 1263643209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :papyrus pluralled... papyruses? < 1263643213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1263643218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably papyri or something gay though < 1263643232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :papyrusapapyrusapapyruses < 1263643280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the logo of emacswiki really is < 1263643280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plural papyri Brit. /p{schwa}{sm}p{revv}{shti}r{revv}{shti}/, U.S. /p{schwa}{sm}pa{shti}ri/, /p{schwa}{sm}pa{shti}{smm}ra{shti}/, papyruses. Forms: ME-16 papirus, ME- papyrus. < 1263643283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like CE < 1263643284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps (E < 1263643300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok so you can either be fucktarded or delicious when plurunctuating that word, good to know < 1263643307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be a fucktard man < 1263643308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be delicious < 1263643310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in everything you do < 1263643325 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OED has IPA characters as images with alt-texts like that, so pasting is unfun.) < 1263643378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohYeahTotallyWotzzat < 1263643405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fuck OED fucking proprietary english fucking bullshit OED fucking proprietary bullshit fucking OED but i mean i likey oed but FUCKing oed fucking proprietary yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1263643407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhh < 1263643415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmyestotally? < 1263643447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oͧ - o with combining small letter u. < 1263643454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i wonder how i tell emacs to tell me in what order does it load files at the starting < 1263643460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was think more in style of œ < 1263643462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE IT SO < 1263643476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's very makable with Unicode. < 1263643512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dickinsons! i haven't heaven'd whatfore might be his name < 1263643524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make a fungot thing out of just things i've said < 1263643524 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: good luck! :) http://list.cs.brown.edu/ pipermail/ plt-scheme/ 2006-october/ fnord < 1263643529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be splendfunctorlicious < 1263643566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i expect it yesterday < 1263643580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yestermorrow, is there any time _really_ < 1263643598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type functor declaration undecidable dependent instance fuck yeah automatic function to type family conversion also also also also also stack overflow also < 1263643609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be incoherent constantly < 1263643611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so fucking rad < 1263643666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there is a latin letter "ou"; though it looks a bit different: ȣ < 1263643675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also oi: ƣ < 1263643686 0 :anmaster_l!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1263643700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed, billy, that sometimes, b < 1263643701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1263643706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ȣ < 1263643709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :favourite letter < 1263643721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flightless arsenhȣven < 1263643738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ it's perfect, why is it uo instead of ou though in the glyph glyph < 1263643746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when is ehird-fungot-mode-just-of-the-lines-of coming < 1263643746 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if ( language " python" < 1263643748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dz also has its own ligature-like thing; it's full of kudzu. < 1263643779 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263643804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ȸ, the database letter. < 1263643807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are constantly avoideravoideravoideravoideramating my qusetion < 1263643813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rȸms < 1263643816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ < 1263643818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, unashamedly. < 1263643866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be an awesome mode though though < 1263643884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes. < 1263643892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do it do it BBQ it < 1263643896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just < 1263643899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat thelinesforirc < 1263643904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| grep '^" < 1263643906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| poop < 1263643909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whateveramever < 1263643931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computar is busy doing PHOTOGRAMMETRIC ALIGNMENT for that videorama. < 1263643971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it can handle some filtering, i'm sure it loves me < 1263643981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oves me ves me es me me me e < 1263643988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fucking hypnotic < 1263643990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1263643991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has already spent half an hour optimizing exposure and white-balance parameters, and the error hasn't noticeably changed for the last 25 minutes. < 1263643992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to clean it < 1263643994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though t'is correct < 1263643997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t'is, is that correct? < 1263644005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's t'is→→it is < 1263644008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess 't'is < 1263644016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the same size as it is < 1263644022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have to be fucking retarded to say it mon < 1263644042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'tis", isn't it? < 1263644046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%27tis < 1263644050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that omits the expanded space you do < 1263644051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ILLOGICAL FUCK < 1263644057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'T'is't'isn't < 1263644058 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1263644060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ It is it isn't < 1263644065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1263644066 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263644070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful like rabies < 1263644100 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do multi-apostrophe contractions sometimes in IRC-lingo. < 1263644118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn'tn't. < 1263644120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was not not < 1263644136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it wasn'tn't great. < 1263644168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just wasn'tn'tn'tn't awesome. < 1263644169 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1263644185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wasn'tn'tn'tn'tn't < 1263644187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1263644197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoreses < 1263644302 0 :FireyFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1263644320 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1263644332 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FIreFly < 1263644371 0 :FIreFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1263644380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's not enigmaticise here. < 1263644390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't free < 1263644923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so you can use ~/.emacs.d/init.el instead of ~/.emacs that is cool < 1263645130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"t'is" is illogical? < 1263645143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1263645149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "'tis" is illogical? < 1263645150 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263645155 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1263645258 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-10-18.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263645299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess the problem there was that the space between "it" and "is" is not marked at all. < 1263645330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely < 1263645336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhgfhjhkodg < 1263645720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm yawning all about insanity < 1263646604 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1263646767 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-180-240.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263646840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how i'm understanding things. < 1263647203 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263647338 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263647341 0 :uorygl!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1263647630 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1263647976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 windows of firefox with multiple tabs in every window, some with enough to make the tab srcoller appear, plus amarok, kopete and kovnersation makes kde's window manager crawl < 1263648038 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263648208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, unlike in the other ones like "you're" and "there's" < 1263648318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stfu, i'm musing about thoughts that were not thunk in this quantum stream but were thunk in some other quantum stream, that is unthunk thoughts, affecting the (I postulate for no particular reason commutative) p-therefore-q-as-a-thought-process operation so that you think a thought, and then you think (because of the unthinking) a thought by which you derive the previous thought, but this turns out to be a contradiction that you couldn't check < 1263648320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahead of time because you can't predict the future, and thus the infinite memory required to represent such a thought might overflow your brain or something < 1263648336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have far transcended any sort of petty english syntactical debates, my thoughts are pure euphoria of form < 1263648365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is beautiful. < 1263648387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263648391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sorry < 1263648399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1263648406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you sort of grok what i'm sayinh < 1263648407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*saying < 1263648468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe. < 1263648500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given a bit of serious pondering, it looks totally sensible < 1263648524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm so if you can communicate across many-worlds branches, then you could cause unthunk thoughts to mingle with this thought stream and become thunk thoughts, thus removing the permutations they performed on your thoughts and instead becoming first-class citizens (albeit being q-thought-before-p in (p therefore q)) of thought < 1263648545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, achieving "enlightenment" could be modelled as having no unthunk thoughts; having every thought be thunk by quantum methods < 1263648557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus all there is is pure thought itself, no hidden reasoning chains or side-effects < 1263648575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is straying into the religious or at the very least the metaphysical. nevertheless, it does seem to follow. < 1263648690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think i follow, but i'm not sure what i get out of that would sound nearly as esoteric, so i'm gonna keep it to myself. < 1263648697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trees are slightly less pretty now. < 1263648767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nonono do say it < 1263648769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is merely < 1263648772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that is bullshit" < 1263648776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1263648791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I don't actually *believe* any of this, I'm just letting thoughts permute themselves automatically through my process instead of suppressing them, and thus elaborating on them < 1263648794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who says what you think has to be true? < 1263648813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: maybe you unthunk something in the far, far future about trees that is bad < 1263648818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is affecting how you view trees now < 1263648836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to create a causal reasoning chain justifying how good trees are of greater power than it so as to override it < 1263648840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and enjoy trees < 1263648892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could model thinking as a process that takes unthunk thoughts, unprocessed data, and outputs thunk thoughts, some sort of results. if there were multiple worlds with the same entity existing multiple times, living almost exactly the same lives, he could skip ahead in his thoughts by accessing the thunk thoughts of a fellow him. < 1263648905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably didn't mean anything like that. < 1263648931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, that is *exactly* it! < 1263648935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so sexy < 1263648982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: let's mutually thunk the other's unthunk thoughts so as to expand both our repertoire of thoughts (← this is what sex is like post-singularity) < 1263648992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1263649035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*repertoires < 1263649054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sometimes it can be a bit embarrasing too < 1263649071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having sex? < 1263649078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-singularity thunk sex. < 1263649081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1263649094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean occasionally you're doing it and you think "but the chicken *was* over 18, and it *was* going around naked... plus the peanut butter was right there..." < 1263649105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're like "um. $name? why wasn't I invited?" < 1263649106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah. < 1263649111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, like yelling "mmm you smell just like my mum" in bed, but you can suppress it even less < 1263649129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to suppress that?! WHY WASN'T I INFORMED OF THIS < 1263649163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which you are so going to owe me money in... about three years < 1263649190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in your case it'll not be relevant for like 15 years < 1263649190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1263649194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZING < 1263649207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: exactly why you will owe me money in three years < 1263649211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1263649214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you don't remember we have a bet :P < 1263649216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much was it? < 1263649219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how m lol < 1263649228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do, just not the amount, i can't remember numbers that mean something < 1263649229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know it was a few days off my birthday so ic an check < 1263649231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i can < 1263649237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think £50 < 1263649238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 < 1263649239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1263649245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i would guess < 1263649249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a nice heap of money for doing nothing < 1263649277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for doing noone, i think you were allowed to do *something* < 1263649287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hur hur hur < 1263649289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tried "noone", don't like it) < 1263649305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was £50 < 1263649312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nobody is a much better word to use imo < 1263649316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but not only a joke, mostly i was asking what rules we agreed on. < 1263649328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263649347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure it's only other people that count, otherwise my hand would count and that'd just be a ridiculous bet < 1263649348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 50 pounds in euros < 1263649351 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 British pounds = 56.6239465 Euros < 1263649357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(( it's gone down since the last time < 1263649363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use "no one" or "nobody", had to check "noone" out because it's so popular < 1263649366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was 57.47 on 2009-08-21 < 1263649384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:10:17 i'm also preparing for extremely early onset inflation < 1263649404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1263649415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1263649428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're the reason this recession is happening < 1263649437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you may ask but it was going when you said that < 1263649439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1263649439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember < 1263649443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no thought causality < 1263649458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1263649458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have been acting to cause the recession since before it began, and the p in p-therefore-q that lead you to doing this was only thunk then < 1263649464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it all ties together < 1263649480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...i'm gonna escape now k?) < 1263649495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define escape < 1263649506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to read complex analysis" < 1263649512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft. < 1263649516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1263649526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :escape the horrors of the physical world < 1263649534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called suicide < 1263649579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's just that boring. < 1263649580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1263649735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i could totally functionalise an os < 1263649755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean ok im basically ripping off luke palma's dana wholesale, dependent typing, frp and all < 1263649759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shit. < 1263649796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and combining it with ehirdOS = sexy time < 1263650156 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263650407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo < 1263650414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ehird and all < 1263650425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to break sgeo's brain
< 1263650450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm musing about a purely-functional (without even an IO monad) operating system with types that can access values. < 1263650460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OR AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I'D EXPLAIN IT TO A PLEB) < 1263650507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"types that can access values" needs clarification. Also, it's obvious that this is what I'm supposed to notice, but how is it supposed to do anything < 1263650529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Dependent types. < 1263650532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Magic, clearly. < 1263650631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic, like the sort of magic that lets you jump to a point in space where the gravity is equal to where you're jumping from? (iirc) < 1263650634 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1263650646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray Ed stories. < 1263650684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Dependent types let you do things like making array[3] fail *at compile-time* if array has less than 4 elements — without declaring it at any point, and with computation in-between. < 1263650694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course the programmer has to help the compiler along in some cases.) < 1263650726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just one of the *applications*; what it *is* is a subtle matter and one I am in no non-sleep-deprived state to communicate. < 1263650755 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is also sleep deprived right now
< 1263650763 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's supposed to be a meeting 5 minutes ago < 1263650765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you last sleep < 1263650784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help think that they meant 12AM when they said 12PM < 1263650795 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, from 3 local time to 7 local time < 1263650815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's been my approx. schedule for a while, but I tend to fall asleep from 9 to 3PM < 1263650816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time is it there now? < 1263650847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There as in the timezone they were using? 12:06 PM. Local time: 9:06 AM < 1263650878 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpsN14TFy90 this music is incredible < 1263650914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that googling for "hooray ed" brings up only things it is unlikely ehird was referring to...
< 1263650945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, try different words in that line < 1263650946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/?ed < 1263650959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did < 1263650960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An excellent sci-fi ... well, I'd say novel, but it was serialised of a sort. < 1263650974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The tone of the first stories is misleading, btw.) < 1263651034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You'd probably like it, it has a quote about how all the characters are completely insignificant, stupid and irrelevant in the universe. < 1263651037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That fits you. :P < 1263651047 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo -- that music IS incredible :o < 1263651096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i woke up yesterday at uh around 2:30pm i'd guess < 1263651099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:30 that is < 1263651102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't slept since < 1263651190 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1263651204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to sleep then? < 1263651205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks ehird has a horribly distorted impression of him
< 1263651207 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263651211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wake up late at night? < 1263651215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a dumb idea. < 1263651218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was joking. :P < 1263651220 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to sleep at night then? < 1263651222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the quote doesn't really have that turn at all. < 1263651226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I will, once it is night. < 1263651451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah that's pretty incredible < 1263651489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly, it was ranked the best music on the Commodore 64, or something < 1263651562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a source for that, actually, so < 1263651597 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1263651607 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my source was a random YouTube video :/ < 1263651651 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKssGfAtTP4 < 1263651660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was not perfect < 1263652072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that wasn't very professionally done < 1263652149 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is an SG-1 addict
< 1263652284 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1263652330 0 :Ilari!n=user@2002:5871:273b:0:0:0:0:1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263652980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: you rebooted. < 1263653130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they gave him the boot < 1263653192 0 :Migi32!n=migi@d54C12501.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1263653297 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1263653332 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And had to fight with settings a bit after that. < 1263653485 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And configured protocol 41 just for fun (the main trouble was lack of direct copy-paste from browser to rootshell). < 1263653500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I could tell. < 1263653528 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have configured it without reboot (would had to rejoin, but...) < 1263653556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you said you'd do it when you rebooted, so. < 1263654081 0 :Migi32!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Segmentation Fault" < 1263654556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1263655404 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263656029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sculpture chasm well-typedness < 1263656126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh augur isn't here < 1263656169 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be on the Chrome Dev channel or the Beta channel? < 1263656169 0 :augur!n=augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263656180 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I <3 Extensions, so the normal one isn't an option < 1263656242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...thing says it's on Stable o.O < 1263657637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it seems my system has so little RAM that the background of Konversation's tray icon's contextual menu is white. < 1263657644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll start System Monitor and see what the fuck is up. < 1263657681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that was useless. < 1263657691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xorg is CPU-hogging for some reason. < 1263657922 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Someone's teaching a math course with QBasic < 1263657962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A friend of mine who taught in [redacted] is teaching a math course that uses QBasic at [redacted] College. We're trying to find a compiler she can download and use with Windows XP but no luck - do you have any ideas?" < 1263658002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest finding an old DOS disk and a DOSbox. < 1263658011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a saner language. < 1263658067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QBasic works in XP. < 1263658075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even QuickBasic does. < 1263658129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So. A purely-functional operating system using FRP instead of imperative IO and dependent types. Perhaps total, too. Am I a functional programming nerd? < 1263658139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, you are. < 1263658144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's okay. < 1263658170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm special, just like everyone else. < 1263658176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1263658520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is in love with mywot.com
< 1263658655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use the term "love" very loosely. < 1263658689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you see, free love. < 1263658737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Website polyamory! < 1263658923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to believe that Linux/X11 on the desktop really is a hopeless case now that my system's crawling just because I have 9 Firefox windows open with a few hundred tabs between them. < 1263658927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The memory usage isn't even that high. < 1263658931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This. Is. Not. Difficult. < 1263658938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... That's really, absurdly sad. < 1263659013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; X and Firefox are both using 5-30% of my CPU constantly. < 1263659015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each. < 1263659021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For no reason. < 1263659053 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably firefox is spewing lots of requests to X server for some reason? < 1263659071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just go back to OS X and enjoy the smooth graphics and non-total-freeziness and nice fonts and deal with the proprietariness, inconsistency (not that there isn't a lot of that in the Linux world too) and flawed default applications. < 1263659077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Something like that. < 1263659085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect kwin is doing something retarded with the Firefox windows. < 1263659121 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Does it happen with other WMs? < 1263659134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's find out. < 1263659143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, killing kwm will probably just kill all my windows. < 1263659145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid reparenting managers. < 1263659151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Don't know. < 1263659159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kwin, not kwm < 1263659183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I suspect the fact that kwin is compositing, and there are... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 firefox windows showing (all but one are just edges), < 1263659186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is something to do with it. < 1263659194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like it's drawing the entirety of all those windows or something. < 1263659232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, kwin is drawing all of those windows in an offscreen buffer and then rendering it onscreen. < 1263659240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might do *something*. < 1263659248 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Reminds me when only "window manager" I could get to start with session was some terminal emulator. I had to attach debugger to it and make it execute some sane window manager... < 1263659258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I maximise the Firefox window I'm actually using (and deal with the too-wide text), performance will improve some. < 1263659262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just great. < 1263659267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1263659269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate computers. < 1263659289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Did "wm &; disown; exit" not work? < 1263659317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have got over the horrific-horrificness of sleep deprivation now. < 1263659320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, it's dark already. < 1263659323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate our short days. < 1263659335 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the terminal emulator didn't even work properly... < 1263659381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1263659403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with Linux users and improbable software situations always solved by a method other than reinstalling :-) < 1263659424 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because reinstalling rarely solves anything... < 1263659492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it does if you messed up the packages and now your only WM is a terminal manager. < 1263659498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't referring to the solutoin so much as getting into the situations < 1263659504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Because Linux users like doing crazy shit. < 1263659507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never found myself in such a bizarre environment :) < 1263659540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only crazy shit I've done recently has been "Oh shit, my package manager just broke. Time to install stuff via tar instead of with the package manager." < 1263659548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep binary packages of everything on my system.) < 1263659614 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason window managers still don't work, but now I use .xsessionrc (has also the good side that one can put those various xmodmap & co commands in). < 1263659630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Window managers don't work? < 1263659637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, reinstall that. < 1263659719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: just use .Xmodmap :P < 1263659730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, use my OS. < 1263659732 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And xmodmap settings are not the only ones... < 1263659873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the nice winter weather came with long days. < 1263660349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to reboot back into OS X. < 1263660351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just hopeless. < 1263660371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can deal with using a proprietary OS until ehirdOS is invented. :P < 1263660412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tars up his source code done on this machine, uploads it
< 1263660417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to access it in os x...) < 1263660419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1263660420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done on this partition < 1263660574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, so if gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, is GCK the Gnu Compiler Kollection?!?!12. < 1263660583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263660944 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.66.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263661081 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.66.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263661081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263661086 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1263661093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, this is better. < 1263664171 0 :anmaster_l!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1263664180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1263664371 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263664404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Erm, so if gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, is GCK the Gnu Compiler Kollection?!?!12. <-- that sounds like it would be using QT at the very least. < 1263664434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: (for log reading) but why GCK? Where did you get the idea? < 1263664510 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KKK, the Knu Kompiler Kollection. < 1263664618 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.66.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263665549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too busy admiring how smart my stolen ideas are to do anything with them < 1263665981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1263666014 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.66.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263666037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1263667082 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE Kompiler Kollection, of course. < 1263667238 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263667285 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1263668128 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263668174 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.66.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263668271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:53:24 Erm, so if gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, is GCK the Gnu Compiler Kollection?!?!12. <-- that sounds like it would be using QT at the very least. < 1263668271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:53:54 ehird: (for log reading) but why GCK? Where did you get the idea? < 1263668271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a coded identifier for the URL for my ~/src from the Linux partition. < 1263668298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh < 1263668316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does that even mean? < 1263668337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm booting back into OS X due to the general hopelessness of desktop Linux. < 1263668341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to move my ~/src back over. < 1263668350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to fuck with OS X drivers for ext4. < 1263668361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I zipped it and uploaded it to a file hosting site. < 1263668370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That line includes the things I need to know to reconstruct the URL. < 1263668386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, using mnemonics, I can find the URL just by looking at it, but nobody else can. < 1263668425 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1263668457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's like PGP except in my mind, basically. < 1263668476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like posting a PGP encrypted-to-myself message publicly, to be precise. < 1263668489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah < 1263668525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also very smart < 1263668535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why thank you :P < 1263668556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relevant file ID after the file host *is* there in plaintext, though, it's just spread out across words. < 1263668564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how many of the words encode info and how many are to just make it grammatically correct? < 1263668574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few, almost all. < 1263668579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263668590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest, I don't care whether you read my code or not, so I'll tell you that the prefix is filebin.ca. < 1263668617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can upload a file there to see the length of identifiers, it'd be pretty simple to try all likely combinations from there. < 1263668644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw interesting that you found some well working combo from it < 1263668650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, filename-wise < 1263668653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; I was lucky. < 1263668683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I could have just gone "fp45 f09w23 g90 n4n ovij 9d" and remembered "second and second-last". < 1263668723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I wish Linux/X11 was tolerable enough for my heavy programming and web browsing workload, but it is, alas, not. The hideous performance when I had a lot of Firefox windows open confirmed that. < 1263668740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it looks like until I implement ehirdOS, I'm Apple's bitch. Which saddens me. < 1263668761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, finding something for http://filebin.ca/hryhfj would be way harder < 1263668767 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 is hideously difficult to use correctly... < 1263668814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it case sensitive that filebin.ca? < 1263668814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Yeah, with a lot of manual setup and using a lightewight WM *maybe* it could handle ~10 Firefox windows with many tabs each. < 1263668827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Try it and see. < 1263668840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well my test one got all letters and all lower case < 1263668842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: But, really, I just don't like Linux enough for that. < 1263668852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok case sensitive < 1263668856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Unix-likes are shit, and all existing UIs are shit < 1263668864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I should just pick whichever one is the least fuss < 1263668871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, that's OS X. < 1263668892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think they're all lowercase, though. < 1263668948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh tried a few simple permutations, not worth more job < 1263668985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hrmgck. < 1263668990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1263668993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ermgck < 1263669011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the correct ELispese for "bind this key globally because the default binding is stupid"? < 1263669015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to set DEL to delete-char < 1263669023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not delete-backward-char < 1263669045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1263669054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs is reading backspace and delete as one char < 1263669057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's retardifuckede < 1263669063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*retardifucked < 1263669247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :global-set-key < 1263669248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1263669605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw that tarball of your code was small < 1263669628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed; it's just one or two days. < 1263669644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just a diff? < 1263669648 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263669650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it wasn't that small then. < 1263669656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; I lasted one or two days with Linux. < 1263669672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't work on any of my OS X projects; the tarball is completely self-contained. < 1263669684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And yes, I do code that much in ~3 days.) < 1263669700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yet your laptop (did you give that idea up?) was to be running linux? < 1263669757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, linux isn't viable for me as it has just demonstrated for me < 1263669793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with its hideous, hideous failure at simple tasks like "synchronised flash audio/video" (I know it's not Linux's fault), "10 Firefox windows, each having a lot of tabs" and "non-smudgy font rendering that doesn't have horrible colour fringes". < 1263669799 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which distro? < 1263669807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly thought I'd be fine with it, but it let me down. So there. < 1263669832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Kubuntu; indeed, it had an edge on the font rendering test due to its inclusion of the legally-dubious bytecode hinter. < 1263669841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have made it more workable by Rolling My Own Shit. < 1263669841 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where *can* you have that many tabs open? < 1263669850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see Unix as a viable OS, just a kludge that works for now. < 1263669852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a kludge < 1263669856 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1263669861 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is viable? < 1263669866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I pick the Unix that takes the least amount of working to... work. < 1263669873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "synchronised flash audio/video" <-- hm I had no issue with that even when using flash (swfdec iirc) < 1263669874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: good; worthy; the way forward; usable; etc < 1263669884 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what I meant < 1263669890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Adobe. < 1263669896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah, no idea < 1263669900 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, which OSes are good? < 1263669907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: None. < 1263669911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 and Oberon both come close. < 1263669919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdOS is good, but it's vaporware. < 1263669935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as for fonts, well why not write something that make it looks like it should, obviously your work would be of great use to everyone else on linux then < 1263669939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think it's a massive enough project to count as my life's work already... < 1263669961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just explained why. I don't consider Unix a good OS, so I pick the Unix that works with the most stuff and does the tasks I want with me doing the least. < 1263669966 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are going to take that long about it, it will be out of date by the time you finish :-( < 1263669969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I cared about Unix, I would try and make it better. < 1263669991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: It's so heretical that I don't find that too likely. Especially as systems design has been in limbo ever since Unix. < 1263670025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... okay < 1263670077 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which OS allows you to have 10 firefox windows with hundreds of tabs each without problems? < 1263670105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not hundreds of tabs each; hundreds of tabs in total. < 1263670115 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1263670119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, I use Safari on OS X and it handles that as smoothly as you could expect. < 1263670127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have about 50 tabs in general when using firefox < 1263670128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine Firefox on OS X isn't *that* inferior. < 1263670135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50-80 probably < 1263670136 0 :soupdragon!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1263670142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, try it out on OS X then < 1263670142 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Safari->Firefox change is the one that matters < 1263670148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I almost never close tabs and click links like crazy < 1263670153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and almost never click links without opening a new tab or windo < 1263670156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/w/ < 1263670162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Well, let me know when Safari is released for Linux < 1263670168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the WebKit X11 browsers suck < 1263670168 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1263670201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out how to get the % position in current file in the emacs modeline
< 1263670213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never opening links in same tab apply almost all the time to me too < 1263670234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you need a tab gc < 1263670245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "ideal" browser would open every single link in a new "tab"; all middle-click would mean is "...and don't focus this tab after creating it." < 1263670265 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1263670270 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#english < 1263670273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tabs would be in a horizontal tree structure to the side, so that it's linear, but if I open more than one link from a page, that's shown underneath that page. < 1263670274 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1263670279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would also serve as the history. < 1263670289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, old enough tabs would be purged from cache and clicking them would go back to them. < 1263670291 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1263670322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want a tab any more but want to keep it in the history you could banish it, which would presumably just shove it up to, say, the start of today until tomorrow. < 1263670434 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you smoothly integrate tabs, history, and bookmarks? < 1263670452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, good idea; bookmarks would just be starred tabs. < 1263670453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah. < 1263670464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's basically what I use tabs for; going back in my chronological history. < 1263670500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Tabs would be in a horizontal tree structure to the side, so that it's linear, but if I open more than one link from a page, that's shown underneath that page. <-- iirc IE8 groups by which tab they were opened from. I have had no choice but to use IE8 on some lab computers at university. < 1263670508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite what you wanted < 1263670522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are coloured in different groups < 1263670531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tabs themselves that is) < 1263670534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so that's what those colours are. < 1263670544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest to what I want is the Firefox extension Tree Style Tabs or whatever it's called. < 1263670572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does the horizontal linear tree thing, but only for tabs, not integrated history/bookmarks/tab expiry/scrolling (well, it might do scrolling with a scrollbar, dunno (arrows don't count as scrolling)) < 1263670643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wait how did you say the bookmarks would be integrated into it? < 1263670688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:33] SimonRC: so you smoothly integrate tabs, history, and bookmarks? < 1263670688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:33] ehird: Ooh, good idea; bookmarks would just be starred tabs. < 1263670703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1263670751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you could make it write-only. As in, once a tab is open it is always remembered (possibly you can archive it to hide it, but you can't actually delete it) < 1263670775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mutable history is nice for... hiding things. < 1263670786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it wouldn't have an easy shortcut. < 1263670958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well yeah good point < 1263670964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1263670971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have foo | bar in emacs, how do I get < 1263670973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo | bar < 1263670977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------- < 1263670978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quux < 1263670983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-x 2/3 don't do it < 1263671338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1263671596 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1263671973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, RET and repeat dash several times? ;P < 1263671984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about split frames. :| < 1263672035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought you wanted automatically inserting underlining with dash for a line < 1263672053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought "meh, that usually isn't too much work in a README, it isn't worth automating" < 1263672936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263672949 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1263673039 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263673052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i was almost going to read tmopi but then i realised i'm really tired and so you must wait another day < 1263673061 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1263673469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to wile away some time by playing Armagetron Advanced really badly
< 1263673858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you notice 17 and 0 has a tiny overlap. that's 4 images overlaping that one point < 1263674065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, too sleep dep'd to play even acceptably < 1263674094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody reaction times < 1263674209 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1263674295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan thinks ehird has a horribly distorted impression of him < 1263674312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to clarify that. mainly because i'm in a horrible mood. < 1263674354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while i _do_ on occasion think that the universe is a horrible, disgusting place and that it have been a huge improvement if it didn't exist at all... < 1263674374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is, incidentally, absolutely *not* the sentiment in the ed stories < 1263674397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not in any way mean that i like to read fiction (or non-fiction) that _reminds_ me of this. < 1263674411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, after all, i don't particularly _like_ to be in a horrible mood. < 1263674436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in the ed series it's more humility than self-loathing :P < 1263674438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*would have been < 1263674477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I like the universe and consider any desires you may ever have for it not to exist to be an abhorrent affront on my rights. < 1263674480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't got to that part yet. just to the first jump to jupiter at the moment... < 1263674532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well. in my horrible, but slightly less so moods you may do an s/it/i/ in there... < 1263674572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you don't believe that enough to actually act on it. < 1263674601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1263674611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) i'm horribly lazy (2) i don't really believe death is sufficient to escape it < 1263674639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chances of you spontaneously escaping the universe = low < 1263674643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) in my more cheerful moods i think my more horrible moods are full of shit < 1263674646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chances of you spontaneously escaping the universe after dying = higher < 1263674655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i would tend to agree < 1263674776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but there are ways to view it that could imply suicide actually makes things _worse_. if the mind somehow survives, you no longer have a body to take your mind off your thoughts after all... < 1263674800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have guessed your views were closer to transmigration than an afterlife. < 1263674885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are not necessarily conflicting, it depends on how many options there are to transmigrate to :) < 1263675066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transmigration is such a nice word to waste on a stupid concept :( < 1263675078 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1263675097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some psychic mediums of a variety of religious persuasions (including Hinduism and Wicca) and some Spiritualists believe in transmigration of the soul but hold that reincarnation is an anomaly if it occurs at all." < 1263675109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: ok, < 1263675121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a moment of synchronicity... with oerjan in the channel, talking about other such bullshit concepts < 1263675124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that metasynchronicity? < 1263675144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand what the heck they're talking about... they seem like the same idea to me. < 1263675171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(soupdragon = person who bugs me about reading TMoPI; name of TMoPI's vapourware sequel = The Transmigration of Prime Intellect; we were talking about transmigration) < 1263675193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is synchronicity; oerjan believes in synchronicity, we were talking about general-metaphysical-sorta-stuff which synchronicity falls under) < 1263675194 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the light pours in on me < 1263675197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many meta levels is that < 1263675206 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta^2 = meta < 1263675225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1263675234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon cannot have read GEB < 1263675242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even i got to that part) < 1263675242 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I haven't < 1263675307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a part where there's a djinn granting wishes. but he doesn't grant meta-wishes < 1263675324 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263675324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, I didn't really have a fixed-degree increment there; I just turned the camera a bit. < 1263675338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G.E.B. is a thoroughly entertaining, mind-expanding book that is wrong about almost everything. < 1263675341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it < 1263675346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1263675346 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1263675378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cannot ask him for more wishes. however there is a meta-djinn which you can, but you cannot ask him for more meta-wishes... < 1263675381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1263675381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1263675405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD Over Djinn. < 1263675437 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird aren't you worried about people reading it and not realizing it's nonsense? < 1263675438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm down at 0.52 avg and 4 max (but that last one is a line) < 1263675445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not nonsense. < 1263675449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just disagree with him. < 1263675465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you want to compare: http://zem.fi/~fis/cs.jpg -- http://zem.fi/~fis/csv.jpg < 1263675471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's very intelligent and has a great understanding of many things, I just disagree with his conclusions and speculations. Most of them, anyway. < 1263675518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a main character asks the hierarchy of djinns to grant him a wish not in the hierarchy, leading to a paradox < 1263675718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I would have guessed your views were closer to transmigration than an afterlife. <-- actually somewhat, on the grounds that if there were an eternal afterlife i should already be in it, since it is hideously unlikely for me to be in the first 100 years or so of an infinite existence < 1263675741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err what is that latter one? < 1263675748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh day < 1263675771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this argument can also be applied to the fermi paradox i think... < 1263675776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the thing with blue cloth in the middle < 1263675795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter was taken during daytime, and it's from that two-minute video clip with the N900. < 1263675801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263675811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that explains why it is fuzzy to put it mildly < 1263675812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you have no memory, feelings, or anything inherited from the years you do not remember, in what sense can you say they are you? < 1263675831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(resorting to an abstract type "Soul" whose implementation is opaque is verboten) < 1263675844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the former one is much better quality. What are the advantages of the video clip variant < 1263675867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a video, presumably. < 1263675869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there are times when i only consider the present moment to be me. those are usually when i'm in a horrible mood. < 1263675875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes... < 1263675886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think what you need to do is get a kitten. < 1263675890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are warm and fuzzy. < 1263675896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thinking, "this moment should not exist dammit, no matter how good things get in the future" < 1263675908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that would be a disaster, ehird < 1263675923 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone mention the fermi paradox? < 1263675927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1263675936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fine a bunny rabbit then, i have two < 1263675944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get the right breed they're like kittens without the sociopath < 1263675960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just sit there, dumbfounded at the universe, cuddlable. < 1263675998 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, we are talking about God over Djinn, over Djinn, over Djinn, over Djinn < 1263676060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: it's an argument i (and probably others) have against the idea that humanity could be the only intelligent species and conquer the universe. because if that were so, it would again be hideously unlikely for us to be _here_, just as civilization is getting up to speed < 1263676069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there are counterarguments thouhg < 1263676072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gh < 1263676073 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure it has that many advantages; it's perhaps faster to take since you just have to turn recording on, then wave the phone around for a while. < 1263676101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to be _here_ at this particular moment < 1263676119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The cloth is just a decoration; but the actual thing behind it is a space for book-reading or groupwork or whatever. There's another one too behind the stairs in the middle. < 1263676137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both those examples assume that this moment is somehow a random one from all of time < 1263676151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It would probably also be less horribly blurry if I had that "select sharp frames" tool. < 1263676160 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are a ton of statistical arguments for/against anthropic type principles - which one exactly are you referring to? < 1263676174 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the fermi paradox itself well < 1263676256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Still, the resolution won't get that much better, since video is recorded at 848x480. Still frames get a lot more pixels. < 1263676262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1263676279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you classify sharpness < 1263676285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is there any tools at all for it < 1263676302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There are different metrics for it, yes. < 1263676305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: this argument i reinvented myself, i've read some things on wikipedia later but i don't recall what it's officially called < 1263676344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See for example "Measure of image sharpness using eigenvalues", Information Sciences: an International Journal, Volume 177, Issue 12 (June 2007). < 1263676358 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cool, i know there are quite a few sharp statistical arguments with various implications, can you spell it out explicitly? i didnt quite track your single sentence statement above < 1263676413 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you are basing it on the well-known principle that it is, almost by definition, more likely that we are observing a statistically 'average' outcome than an unusual one ? < 1263676424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess < 1263676453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think enfuse also has some sharpness measures when it decides how to blend the images -- after all, one of the intended use cases for enfuse is to automatically blend a focus stack -- but I'm not sure you can use that for comparing the sharpness of non-aligned images. < 1263676489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one counterargument which i may have read is of course that any observer will be inclined to consider their own time special somehow < 1263676553 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: still trying to understand the claim - could it be summarized as "it is likely there are numerous intelligent species in roughly parallel circumstances as humans, due to the observational data collected by humans being presumably a typical data point" ? < 1263676556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning the antropic principle against the same argument, i guess < 1263676579 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had read this whole discussion < 1263676586 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: me too! < 1263676587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yes good point about enfuse < 1263676598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: yeah that sounds about right < 1263676620 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think this analytical split is hugely important and not settled at all - between the 'copernican' and 'anthropic' interpretations of how we need to contextualize our particular observational status < 1263676661 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the copernican principle that 'we are not the center of the universe' vs the anthropic principle that 'we cant assume we are statistically typical, because if we were not atypical (life) we would not be able to make observations in the first place' < 1263676744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1263676784 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for isntance there are a lot of very scary statistical arguments indicating that civilization is probably 'almost over' in terms of the span of years it occupies < 1263676805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've seen some of those < 1263676817 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the theory that we as individuals are probably about in the middle of the overall number of humans to live, and based on population, there will be a lot fewer years in the future because of much higher population < 1263676837 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, if there are 10 billion people "behind you" in history, and 10 billiion people "ahead of you" in history, that means history only lasts another century or so < 1263676926 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar arguments can be made about the likely lifespan of the earth's biosphere relative to the life of the solar system, but those are bit more involved - barrow & tipler have the best material on this still, so far as i know, even though their book is kinda controversial < 1263676927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could in theory align all those frames before < 1263676939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use enfuse for sharpness merging? < 1263677007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in theory. I could do that just by selecting "aligned images" instead of "blended panorama" and then manually running enfuse on it. < 1263677042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: i also think this can tie into the simulation argument somehow, if we are a simulation of the kind of simulation that it is popular to simulate... < 1263677064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/simulation/civilization/, second to last < 1263677075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how well enfuse performs when given more than 340 images. < 1263677098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we _would_ be typical < 1263677104 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, these kinds of statistical arguments can lead to very weird places very fast, im not sure anyone takes them incredibly seriously < 1263677116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega point is bullshit isn't it? < 1263677123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we are living in interesting times < 1263677125 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you mean teihlard de chardin? < 1263677126 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega point?? < 1263677132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: tipler's omega point < 1263677133 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teilhard that is < 1263677134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said tipler < 1263677148 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the Final Anthropic Principle? yeah that is almost certainly nonsense, but its very cool nonsense < 1263677149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i couldn't even tell you, it's vague as fuck < 1263677153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: no < 1263677154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega point < 1263677155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google it < 1263677168 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god I haev no idea what anyone is talking about < 1263677173 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what subject is this < 1263677174 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1263677176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffff < 1263677178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone said tipler < 1263677178 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that *IS* the Final Anthropic Principle < 1263677180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tipler did omega point < 1263677183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i criticise omega point < 1263677184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fin < 1263677189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: I NEVER MENTIONED THE FINAL ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE < 1263677196 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but thats what tipler's omega point IS! < 1263677206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh fine < 1263677207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom < 1263677208 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :final anthropic principle == tipler omega point < 1263677228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too tired to understand existence, you should satiate yourself with my pseudo-quantum thought process bullshit from before < 1263677238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll even compile it into a paste < 1263677264 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1263677266 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: topic of oerjan and my and ehird's semi-recent comments is the Anthropic principle and statistical arguments about life in the universe connected/contrasted < 1263677275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i was sleep-deprived and talking about ridiculous things on purpose < 1263677397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: http://pastie.org/781173.txt?key=ffbkhcwqrjsvw6b531kka < 1263677398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absorb the nonsense < 1263677424 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird what the fuck are you smoking quarks < 1263677432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*absolutely* < 1263677435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just sleep deprived dude < 1263677437 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, and I thought some of *my* speculations were a bit on the metaphorical side sometimes < 1263677442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that space of time just after an all nighter < 1263677442 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you study quantum physics < 1263677445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you become totally delusional < 1263677446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and crazy < 1263677447 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did just read penrose... < 1263677448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are aware of it < 1263677453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you become semi-coherent < 1263677458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not sure how well enfuse performs when given more than 340 images. <-- no idea either. But 40 or so made my laptop with 2 GB ram swap trash a bit < 1263677462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 4 GB < 1263677463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: as i said, i was aware of my delusionalness, and merely entertaining them < 1263677466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand < 1263677469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were much higher res < 1263677471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a joke, except there's no ha-ha, just crazy < 1263677476 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is disgusting < 1263677487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i offended soupdragon by being silly < 1263677488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as in, 16 bit per channel tiffs from *.mrw < 1263677489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is an interesting day < 1263677495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is the raw format of my camera) < 1263677510 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you offended me by saying I was the sort of person who thinks this stuff is real < 1263677516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: I did not < 1263677518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, the remapped images are all 1950x1079-sized; of course they're mostly black, but I'm not sure that helps. In the name of science I'll try it, anyway. < 1263677519 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did < 1263677521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please quote where I said that < 1263677523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1263677525 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1263677528 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's when I used quantumEd < 1263677535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that. < 1263677537 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you thould I was some kind of pseudoscience idiot < 1263677547 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I never had once even talked about quantum physics < 1263677549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only because you were saying things that implied you were < 1263677564 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you just decided to make fun of my nick < 1263677585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just making an inference from both the ridiculousness of what you were saying, and the common occurrence of raping-quantum-physics by quacks < 1263677617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be offended if you want, your call < 1263677635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they aren't mostly black, they are mostly transparent < 1263677653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if they are output as tiff then yes < 1263677684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's about the same thing; it still needs some cleverness to work well. I didn't toggle on the "output cropped images" flag for Nona, just in case it'd cause problems. < 1263677687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but enfuse and enblend treat transparency specially, which is why you should use tiff there. probably deflate < 1263677687 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a meta comment on this conversation, I think its wonderful that within the cultural community of this irc channel, "being stereotyped as the kind of person who believes pseudoscientific gibberish phrased with QM terminology" is the kind of thing that actually happens < 1263677732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nigger." "Faggot." "Jew." "Quantum mysticist." "Too far, man." < 1263677748 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1263677750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, that was interesting: "enblend: No space left on device - enfuse: an exception occured - enblend: error writing to image swap file." < 1263677757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: v < 1263677765 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1263677770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1263677775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why the process memory size stopped increasing after a hundred images or so. < 1263677793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -m megabytes Use this much memory before going to disk (default=1GiB) < 1263677795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny flag. < 1263677799 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it grabs a big buffer and then manages its own memory? < 1263677832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There also does not seem to be any option to specify what disk it uses; I guess it uses the five-gigabyte /tmp. < 1263677947 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in re your journey to the dark side of quantum mysticism - perhaps if you try to reformulate all that in terms of actual information processing on different many-worlds branches, you might get somewhere? id throw out any use of mind-related terminology and look at the entropy of information processing < 1263677963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: i'd rather not < 1263677969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, it violates causality entirely < 1263677991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it involves not only communication between many-worlds branches, but such future communications affecting the present < 1263678003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which are incredibly unlikely. < 1263678019 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, causality i dont care about - but if it violates thermodynamics, as Eddington said, (paraphrased) you're doomed < 1263678029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh; with some sort of modern 12-gigabytes-of-RAM machine this would all fit in it. < 1263678078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worries me that my long-term survival plan culminates in a battle with entropy < 1263678098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw for that pano of yours I was working on, you do have some parallax in the trees. Apart from that almost none that is noticeable. And those trees. Hard to actually see it between all the twigs going everywhere. But since you don't use enfuse for it (rather you use enblend) I believe you won't get noise reduction from overlaps. I wonder if you can use enfuse for it. < 1263678222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -m megabytes Use this much memory before going to disk (default=1GiB) <-- swapping, but not OS < 1263678228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how much space did it use < 1263678231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on what device < 1263678238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, how much space was there to use on it) < 1263678254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There also does not seem to be any option to specify what disk it uses; I guess it uses the five-gigabyte /tmp. < 1263678261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah noticed that just now < 1263678298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well you could use a chroot with everything except tmp just bind mounted into it. and tmp pointing to somewhere much larger. < 1263678404 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or namespaces... < 1263678416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Plan 9 namespaces, you mean? < 1263678417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, <3 < 1263678458 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno... But each namespace has its own set of mounts. < 1263678506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I just realized something... any sufficiently advanced simulation argument is indistinguishible from spirituality ;D < 1263678516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like Plan 9 namespaces to me; ask mycroftiv. < 1263678527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, the simulation hypothesis is unfalsifiable and unscientific < 1263678535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1263678540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes. < 1263678556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simulation is indistinguishable from a regular universe (intervention is just exceptions to the laws of physics) < 1263678556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1263678565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is indistinguishable, "we are living in a simulation" is unfalsifiable < 1263678573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, the simulation hypothesis is unscientific < 1263678592 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a little bit of work, you can actually do per process namespaces in linux, not just plan 9 - but you have to use/be root, and you have to make your own tool to start a new namespace < 1263678605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and yet if there was a way to travel between simulations, it would be idiotic do doubt it < 1263678609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1263678623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that would be a worrying failure of rationality < 1263678625 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linux kernel has had per process namespaces since 2.4.19 but sadly absolutely nobody has even noticed, much less built anything to make use of the capacity. sad. < 1263678627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i find it rather unlikely < 1263678630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per occam's razor < 1263678635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't worry about it too much < 1263678646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well with the current public evidence, sure < 1263678670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the universe could have been created 2 seconds ago with the current public evidencce < 1263678672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occam's razor says no < 1263678688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Heh, 125M was left free on /tmp after I told enfuse to use 2.5G of RAM. (And still it swaps, bleh.) < 1263678706 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason why one has to be root is that it wouldn't make much sense otherwise as mounting is priviledged and that being able to replace stuff in /etc is dangerous. < 1263678719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: plan 9 does it for every single process safely. < 1263678722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my point was more to the idea that a universe with most of the trappings of a spiritual worldview would not necessarily be unscientific, and could be technologically produced < 1263678767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true. but most spiritualists would be deeply upset by that < 1263678781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to them it isn't proper spiritualism if it isn't truly unexplainable < 1263678786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by that < 1263678786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1263678799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an incredibly worrying form of anti-intellectualism < 1263678862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why was pitch for image 4 unchecked? < 1263678883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also it didn't use those 125 MB RAM? < 1263678885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1263678887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disk < 1263678906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as long as it didn't actually use it all and succeeded it is all good isn't it? < 1263678948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway you do know you need special parameters for contrast stacks right? some hardmask thing + turning off defaults weightings and turning on another one < 1263678974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot details, see panotools wiki, page is called (iirc, and not sure about caps) "enfuse reference manual" < 1263679010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I sort of deduced something sensible-looking from the enfuse manpage already. < 1263679025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ran out of disk space during the middle, though; but at least there was enough space to load all images. "Yay." < 1263679048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1263679105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I believe it may space usage need may grow exponentially or something for this, it wouldn't surprise me as contrast stack merging was very very much slower than normal enfuse usage. < 1263679116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also it was very noise sensitive < 1263679126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop < 1263679130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best word. < 1263679135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a placeholder for any occasion < 1263679137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some unoccasions. < 1263679165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so it was best to first merge several photos to reduce noise, then for each of those produced use that for the contrast merging < 1263679178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, it uses TMPDIR env-variable to select the place, so at least I can point it at some other disk easily enough. < 1263679214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1263679252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just never ever let it swap trash on a single core system, for some reason dual core systems are much more responsive even when swap trashing in my experience < 1263679304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the disk in the single core system was rated for higher RPM too. < 1263679571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enfuse's "sharpness" seems -- as far as I can tell, anyway -- to be mostly based on local contrast measures, which isn't anything too fancy. Well, we'll see. This time I put in "-v" too to make it a bit more noisy. < 1263679594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, strange thing: same *.pto file loaded in hugin on desktop and laptop. Laptop has a slightly newer version of hugin/enfuse+enblend/panotools. Clicking stitch on desktop made use of enfuse. Not so on laptop < 1263679687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why the heck his wrist watch has the date set to 22nd...
< 1263679756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so sure these video images can be made to align well enough that enfuse's contrast-based blending would make sense. Though at this point I'd be happy just to get an output file. < 1263679757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, didn't it sync properly? < 1263679761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the ntp settings on it < 1263679762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1263679822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how much disk space is it using? < 1263679836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not sure AnMaster was joking < 1263679840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also it could be worth trying it on a small section. Say 20 images around the middle < 1263679843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, -_- < 1263679849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course I were < 1263679853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1263679857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1263679867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be *awesome* to ssh to your clock to check it's ntp settings < 1263679869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Something like 6 gigabytes so far. < 1263679869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just awesome < 1263679870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: one can never be sure < 1263679880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's been doing strange things before, my rational guess is that the adjustment knob is sometimes coming loose < 1263679881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not more? < 1263679914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, I had to restart it to twiddle some parameters, so it hasn't really run for very long now. < 1263679917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the irrational ones involve synchronicity and spooky signs, of course) < 1263679932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh yeah you said it was historical just a few days ago. Forgot that. Also, does it know about leapyears? < 1263679944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for that matter, that some month have only 30 days? < 1263679945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't know about _months_ :D < 1263679955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1263679978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does know about weekdays though, which is an improvement over my previous watches < 1263679983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, then it is easy, you forgot to reset it for months that have only 30 days. It must been quite some time ago you looked at the day for that to have happened < 1263679994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1263679999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats AnMaster -----###
< 1263680005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes the Chrome WOT extensions actually blocked problematic sites from loading
< 1263680012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 31-day-assuming clock too. Fortunately half-out-pulling the adjustment know makes it adjust the day but not the time. < 1263680017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am in fact quite sure that i corrected it after new year < 1263680026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it may have been on the 2nd < 1263680039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally make an ntp clock < 1263680046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet none of the computo-clocks use ntp :| < 1263680063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cool thing would be that it would be one big ring, and the display would be transparent < 1263680079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the time would actually be overlaid seamlessly onto what looks like plain glass! < 1263680089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno where the mechanics would go, but :P < 1263680096 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Engadget Mobile has blogged about a couple of watch-phones lately; and phones in general are going smart. It's only a matter of TIME (eh, eh?) before clocks do NTP too. < 1263680118 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My watch gets its time from the network. < 1263680124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes but it sucks < 1263680125 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a q < 1263680129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no 3g internet for doing it < 1263680133 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there "radio controlled" clocks? < 1263680137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there some sort of implant clock with a LED-based display pretty close to the skin, so that you just have glowing numbers in your wrist? Or was this in fiction? < 1263680138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: UNACCEPTABLE < 1263680143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1263680147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have an eternal september clock < 1263680150 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all the alien based sci-fi I saw.. the 'aliens' are pretty much just people but with blue skin < 1263680152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1263680165 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are there any good ones which are more uh.. realistic? < 1263680172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: does the name start with an a and end with a vatar < 1263680189 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if they don't have blue skin, they have pointy ears. < 1263680196 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they're just humans that are mysteriously from a distant galaxy. < 1263680201 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one person who always rates sites good because "Alexa said "Most visited website"" < 1263680203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Bleh; it crashed with "enfuse: an exception occured - enblend: unable to create image swap file."; this time there was no mention of a full disk, though. < 1263680218 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ringworld, the pearsons puppeteers are kinda alient < 1263680234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think heinlein did some kind of alien shindig that was turned into a movie, maybe < 1263680246 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it doesn't have to be a film < 1263680247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno man. dunno. < 1263680260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: well then heinlein definitely did some things with aliens in them :P < 1263680313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where do you want me to upload the pano. Since it is your source data. < 1263680337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the tiff is a bit large so doing a jpg at high quality. Exported jpg from the tiff using gimp < 1263680359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6,3M alvarhc_3.jpg < 1263680366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't have any own site atm. < 1263680369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StarfishAliens < 1263680384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thus it must be some filebin or imagebin < 1263680395 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonhuman psychology!! this < 1263680398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, well, you can do pretty much whatever you want with it. I could take a .jpg export and the corresponding .pto file for my own disk, though; you probably know more about file-sharing sites than I do. < 1263680405 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MWAHAHA) < 1263680409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since I don't know anything about them.) < 1263680448 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this tvtropes site is good < 1263680454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: see you in 2 hours < 1263680466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may want to physically destroy your mouse to shorten this timespan < 1263680467 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1263680473 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to get into Hard Sci-Fi < 1263680474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also disable any keyboard shortcuts that could lead to links opening < 1263680479 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know that would be the beginning of the end < 1263680490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tv tropes is about everything, not just scifi < 1263680492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are stuck there now < 1263680493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1263680496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit i clicked on a link myself < 1263680497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you didn't have plans < 1263680498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD. Well I would use ompload. since I have a command line tool for it < 1263680510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dec 18 23:31:27 I'd like to see a sci-fi about us failing to find even the remotest similarity to some clearly-intelligent alien race, and ultimately failing to communicate in any useful way. < 1263680521 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dec 18 23:33:11 It should be about how we're so wildly dissimilar, that even thinking about communication is almost meaningless. < 1263680545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cells? Bah! Cells are primitive earth technology. < 1263680552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would you separate your... "bodies", you call them, like that? < 1263680556 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cells are wonderful < 1263680561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for the pto I can send it over too. Still I aim to find a way to use enfuse for it properly, it seems while enfuse was used on desktop, it was used once per image. So enfuse was a identify transformation. It even printed warnings about this. < 1263680566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's the usefulness of rationality if you have a trillion "gut feelings" to go on? < 1263680570 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're fractal with cells < 1263680574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the planet of the blobs. < 1263680583 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cells ==> organs ==> people < 1263680585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, would say, if it could say. < 1263680587 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self similarity < 1263680589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for the image: http://omploader.org/vMzlzdA < 1263680590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i haven't read/seen it myself, but isn't that part of the point of Solaris? < 1263680615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying; enfuse's documentation says -f could be used to manually select the output size, but it doesn't seem to do anything. (Or at least the specs reported by -v list the "full" size anyway; it might crop the final output, which is pretty useless.) < 1263680618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris (1961), by Stanisław Lem, is a science fiction novel about the ultimate inadequacy of communication between human and non-human species. < 1263680620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPARENTLY < 1263680620 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Haven't read/seen/heard of it, unless you're referring to the operating system. < 1263680628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1263680633 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor I want to see that too < 1263680667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is covered with an ocean that studies indicate actually is a single, planet-sized organism, occupying the surface as an ocean." < 1263680672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking thing stealin' mah idae < 1263680675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea < 1263680684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you Stanisław Lem and your retrostealing < 1263680685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and a diff for it: http://sprunge.us/DLJC (the pto) < 1263680691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing you're fucking DEAD now. < 1263680713 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys what if the internet is consciouss?? < 1263680723 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1263680729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is intelligent in some sort of sense, but it's very retarded < 1263680743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the components are malignant; disagreeing, not communicating in the same way, etc. < 1263680748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, enfuse docs you mentioned, hm what? < 1263680753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you have issues with it still < 1263680793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no issues in the sense that I cropped the aligned source images in Hugin instead. < 1263680820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i also read on wikipedia about his novel Fiasco, while they do manage a _little_ communication it does end in disaster because of misunderstandings iirc < 1263680832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Lem may have been big on the subject < 1263680851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "enfuse -h" says "-f WIDTHxHEIGHT[+xXOFFSET+yYOFFSET: Manually set the size and position of the output"; yet (according to -v) it uses the bounding box deduced from the coordinates in the files. < 1263680853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah so you are just testing on a small part now? < 1263680869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sŧanɨsław Łem < 1263680878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also did it work very well? < 1263680901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not ready yet, so can't say. < 1263680907 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think about Sapir-Whorf? < 1263680930 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard some people saying it's just nonsense but I tohught it was true < 1263680933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: please maim soupdragon for us < 1263680934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: widely decredited < 1263680943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: it is the sort of thing that sounds like it should be true < 1263680945 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you think it's just rubbish? < 1263680949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the meme propagates that it is < 1263680954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: it has been shown to be basically entirely false. < 1263680966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see wikipedia for more info iirc it had a lot of links < 1263680969 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1263681001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solaris was fun < 1263681004 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read the story about the Piraha ? < 1263681019 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have words for numbers so they did bad in the counting test < 1263681026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawn
< 1263681029 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that evidence of Sapir-Whorf < 1263681035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: At least Hugin's "output remapped images" thing was clever enough to skip completely transparent images; now I have "only" 293 images of 526x383 pixels. < 1263681038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1263681045 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they just didn't sit counting coins for 7 years of their life < 1263681046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a single data point of evidence for one instance of sapir-whorf < 1263681055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then tenuous < 1263681067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i vaguely recall the piraha story isn't exactly watertight either < 1263681070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: you'd better stop talking about sapir-whorf before augur brutally murders you btw :P < 1263681083 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I better read up on this a lot because I thought for some reason sapir-whorf was pretty much a fact < 1263681085 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263681096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, he hasn't responded to my request to do so yet... < 1263681103 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I just ask because I want to learn, I am malleable < 1263681105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he lies in the shadows < 1263681105 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be assuming that the reason the Piraha did badly on the counting test was that they had no words for numbers. < 1263681106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting < 1263681107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAITING < 1263681107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's evidence that if you don't know a way to count stuff, you won't be able to, i'm not sure that's what sapir-whorf is about < 1263681111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1263681112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAITING < 1263681120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1263681122 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, sort of, but I pointed out it might be because of another reason < 1263681128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANG < 1263681131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are dead. < 1263681133 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-13-214.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1263681140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how would you get completely transparent images? < 1263681161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The ones that are completely outside the cropping region I selected in Hugin. < 1263681163 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: might be, sure. So I guess you've found some evidence for it. < 1263681171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: vacuum < 1263681177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah. So you aren't testing on the full thing then any longer? < 1263681182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, -_- < 1263681194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll try the full thing if the small thing yields any sensible results. < 1263681212 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: sapir-whorf is pretty much anti-fact < 1263681220 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really how come? < 1263681242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And graah. Even though it says 'Input image "small0337.tif" RGB UINT8 position=729x697 size=526x383' for all images, then it goes "Output image size: [(0, 0) to (1255, 1080) = (1255x1080)]" even if I try to use "-f 526x383". < 1263681242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except cognitive linguists like to say its fact because they have this real lack of braincells < 1263681244 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean how come < 1263681252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap the augur arrives < 1263681253 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you disprove it < 1263681256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION popcorn
< 1263681259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does that matter? < 1263681267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: is your argument "it's not disprovable"? < 1263681271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is, then that's self-defeating < 1263681277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfalsifiable statements are unscientific rubbish to be ignored < 1263681283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean, you could manually crop it later? < 1263681283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, e.g. god. < 1263681289 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: a better question is what evidence is there in favor of it at all < 1263681293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It takes long and uses a lot of space even at the 1255x1080 size. But curiously without a "-f" option it uses the small size, heh-heh. < 1263681295 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is there is none < 1263681295 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So history is to be ignored? < 1263681295 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird no I am not even arguing either side < 1263681309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: posing an argument for side x != being on side x < 1263681312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have certainly done te former. < 1263681334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, So I got remapped images and enfused them. Made my laptop swap trash -_- < 1263681336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it worked < 1263681336 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiet ehird, adults are talking < 1263681344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1263681348 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't perform an experiment demonstrating that George Washington wasn't female. < 1263681350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: yawn. < 1263681359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looks like slightly less noise in the overlaps < 1263681360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i haven't heard that one before" < 1263681367 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you not understand this < 1263681367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ahem, well: http://zem.fi/~fis/fused.jpg < 1263681378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wow :D < 1263681381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, look at that < 1263681383 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any kind of argument for either side because I'm a beginner and I just want to learn about this < 1263681399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: trippy < 1263681400 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make guesses and observations and try and get a hold on something when you learn about it < 1263681410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can i have accompanying drugs? < 1263681410 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like, the most basic thing ever < 1263681413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: anyway, theres no evidence for it. its just conjecture on the part of some whacky linguists < 1263681415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: listen < 1263681417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not very well aligned were they? as in less than 0.2 pixels max? < 1263681419 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, okay < 1263681421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not accusing you of taken sides < 1263681422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but listen < 1263681439 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should figure out what the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis actually is before saying much about it. < 1263681440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30:04 did you read the story about the Piraha ? < 1263681441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30:19 they don't have words for numbers so they did bad in the counting test < 1263681441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30:29 isn't that evidence of Sapir-Whorf < 1263681450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that *is* an argument for sapir-whorf, even if you do not personally take it as fact < 1263681454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if it is read as a conditioinal < 1263681458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not a statement about you < 1263681458 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or maybe they just didn't sit counting coins for 7 years of their life < 1263681460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I believe using enfuse made that vertical further away part of the triangular wall look antialiased XD < 1263681466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: yes, and that is a separate, opposing argument < 1263681468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a description of the nature of the object < 1263681470 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1263681470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a description of you < 1263681478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stop taking it as a declaration of your personal beliefs < 1263681488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying that you clearly are posing arguments, on both sides < 1263681492 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh I see < 1263681493 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay sorry < 1263681498 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: regarding the piraha, the question is not whether or not they have numbers, ok < 1263681498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i was doing is discounting one, thereby helping you learn < 1263681498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think they're alignable well with just pitch/yaw/roll and global view/barrel parameters, and even optimizing that took a long long time. The image also sort-of makes sense if you think how it's made: each image pixel comes for the highest-contrast source image, so the one that has most detailed structure in it. < 1263681501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no probs < 1263681524 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they have no number words, and no, they dont do good at numerical tasks, right < 1263681529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah < 1263681531 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they also dont have a NEED for numerical tasks < 1263681542 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it that their language has no numbers, therefore they suck at numerical tasks < 1263681550 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis as given by Wikipedia seems obviously true. < 1263681550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you need very very well aligned for that feature to work. Steady tripod recommended and such < 1263681553 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I see what you mean < 1263681555 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that their environment is such that they have no need for numbers, and therefore dont have them? < 1263681569 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: there are a variety of versions of the S-W hypothesis < 1263681573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the trees look rather nice though < 1263681582 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, essentially, is "People's vocabularies affect their thinking." < 1263681590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what was the url of the original? < 1263681594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It might be better just to look at global full-frame sharpness and use that to select a reasonable set of overlapping images; unfortunately I don't think I know of a ready-made tool for *that*. (After all, the amount of motion-blur in a single image is pretty much the same for all pixels of it.) < 1263681597 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the versions that are even remotely true are trivial and not related to language in any interesting way < 1263681606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://zem.fi/~fis/csv.jpg < 1263681610 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1263681615 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the one you just cite, uorygl, is a pointlessly uninteresting version < 1263681627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: damn i so fucking wish your building really had all these curves < 1263681629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cs" as in "Computer Science building", and "v" as in "from video". < 1263681629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be just so beautiful < 1263681636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe my vocabulary affects my thinking < 1263681638 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it essentially says nothing more than "stuff people have to pay attention to on a regular basis becomes more salient to them as a result" < 1263681653 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well big deal, right? < 1263681658 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats just what we expect from brains < 1263681663 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a fucking revolutionary insight < 1263681679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, and the curves should also change depending on what direction you are looking at them from. < 1263681682 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was thinking I should learn another language so that I could be better at thinking < 1263681691 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even worse, uorygl, is that thats not the whole of it < 1263681708 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: think about balkanization. < 1263681714 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the RESEARCH suggests that peoples vocabularies _only affect their thinking when they're thinking for language_ < 1263681717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well no i wouldn't require that; but you could have that curvy-cs-metal-stop-you-falling-thing shape and also the outer curvy-on-a-slant-plus-the-ampitheater-curves-around-it-the-other-way thing < 1263681726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the slope thing could just be actual building underground) < 1263681733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather than a very bad foundation for a building) < 1263681734 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1263681735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if you did that < 1263681735 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if they have to express something in a linguistic mode, then the words they have available to them affects how they think about the problem < 1263681737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fucking sweet < 1263681742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 architecture prizes and a duck < 1263681755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes agreed about full frame < 1263681756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: i don't exactly believe two groups bigger than 10 people can actually have anything against each other < 1263681760 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a NON-linguistic mode (lets say, a situation where they have to point to something) vocabulary size has no effect < 1263681762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they are retards < 1263681776 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know way back when people did mathematics using words < 1263681781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: apart from general position statements, you mean? < 1263681787 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of x^2 and all that < 1263681788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, on the other hand you can see how people moved in that "trippy" one < 1263681790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "people who are anti-skub" vs "people who are pro-skub" < 1263681797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1263681797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: yes it sucked < 1263681801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is rather interesting < 1263681837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I'd like to compute the full-size image for that, but it's so memory-intensive. < 1263681842 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the notation got better it was easier to do this stuff, like it make things clear and explicated all the important things < 1263681857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously if they have actual personal differences, i just don't believe groups over 10 people can have any sort of opinions as a group, unless the group was formed from people with those beliefs. < 1263681864 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. associativity is visible in 1 + 3 + 4 where as, it's not in (+ 1 (+ 3 4)) < 1263681867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this is not true, but i don't care. < 1263681897 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you think that the human language is not like that? like say you had some rubbish language where everything was really difficult to phrase < 1263681904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I should've gone to the "local image descriptors" (think the SIFT keypoints used in autopano-SIFT-C, except new research from 2007-2009) seminar course they have in this period; then I could run all these panorama things on our cluster computers, since they'd be related to studies. < 1263681918 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat, Moore's paradox. < 1263681921 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't there be some much better one that you can really think in, and it would help you make arguments < 1263681975 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: what are you talking about? < 1263681981 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less Wrong, a rationalistic community, has developed a sort of rationality jargon. < 1263681983 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people dont think in language < 1263681984 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1263682001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: There is not that much Less Wrong jargon. < 1263682004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Akrasia; that's about it. < 1263682015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: mathematical notation doesn't really make anything except simple algebraic manipulation easier, if you're solving an interesting problem, notation is mostly just for communication, and is not how you actually solve the problem. < 1263682016 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, I do! (sometimes) < 1263682017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Also, be careful. Less Wrong is a community of people who identify as rationalists, not a rationalistic community. < 1263682019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for me < 1263682024 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: no, you dont. < 1263682032 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signaling, Pascal's mugging, one-boxing... < 1263682032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting unwarranted faith in their rationalism is not a good idea. < 1263682046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signaling is Robin Hanson's, i.e. Overcoming Bias. < 1263682048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed. btw about enfuse for outdoors pic, will upload in a sec. Just comparing them. Here is a teaser (before/after): http://omploader.org/vMzl0MQ < 1263682049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-boxing, granted. < 1263682073 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: you should read pinker, he has some very good arguments why the SWH is in general worthless < 1263682088 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crisis of faith, tabooing, map, territory... < 1263682103 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, any particular ones to look for ? http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/books/index.html < 1263682118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is of course more noise in areas with no or less overlap < 1263682125 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them are good, but language instinct and stuff of thought are probably better for this issue < 1263682134 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff of thought has a whole chapter deconstructing the issue < 1263682144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and some stuff looks anti-aliased in a rather suspect way. < 1263682155 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the book if you want a copy < 1263682220 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you have much to say about the Less Wrong crowd? < 1263682233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Much to say in what sense? And why? < 1263682267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, opinion? < 1263682335 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious about your opinions of them. < 1263682344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and where was the night time one? < 1263682363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the CS building? cs.jpg is that one. < 1263682375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I have more of an opinion there than to agree that it's less noisy when enfused. < 1263682383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: well no i wouldn't require that; but you could have that curvy-cs-metal-stop-you-falling-thing shape and also the outer curvy-on-a-slant-plus-the-ampitheater-curves-around-it-the-other-way thing <-- the first thing, do you mean the banister (iirc?) < 1263682387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: I guess I have a bit to say, but I'd probably want to do it in /msg to avoid multithreading this place even more. < 1263682391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah < 1263682394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curvy metal < 1263682396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://omploader.org/vMzl0NA < 1263682416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, with those sudden jumps in it due to parallax? < 1263682420 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1263682423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anshaddap :P < 1263682426 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to miss out on the less wrong talk < 1263682434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine then < 1263682440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would be cool though :) < 1263682442 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1263682449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#inwhichehirddivulgeshisfewopinionsonlesswronginahideouslyverboselynamedchannel < 1263682459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, too long < 1263682466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I was about to mention that < 1263682468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread ampitheater as "armpit heater". (The line broke at the middle t there.) < 1263682474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1263682479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#iwedhfoolwiahvnc < 1263682498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also the armpit theatre *is* curved < 1263682503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same way < 1263682505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still is < 1263682520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is now it's official name < 1263682544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, #iwedhfoolwiahvnc <-- did you notice that "fool" in there ;P < 1263682559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/;/:/ < 1263682585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in the night time one, that person there does have a corona if you see what I mean < 1263682620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wed H. Fool W.; I... ah, VNC. < 1263682638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh < 1263682676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That one is made from enblending 30 source images, each source image being generated from three exposures with align_image_stack + enfuse with default options. < 1263682688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263682690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it < 1263682709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also do you see those antialiased walls in http://omploader.org/vMzl0NA < 1263682725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.25s, 0.5s and 1s shutter times, it seems. < 1263682730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is progressive it may take a white to see it. also you need to zoom past 200 percent < 1263682865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway over all I think it is way better than the enblended one due to less noise. Also it seems to have been corrected for vignetting already somehow. Not sure where and when < 1263682928 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, people who code in java think like assholes, and people who code in everything else don't. There, I just proved Sapir-Whorf < 1263682937 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he was joking) < 1263682958 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is however true, happenstantially. < 1263683058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you look closely at cs.jpg, you can see a ghost, also. (It's there on the third -- uppermost -- floor, just coming out of the last mostly-visible door on the long corridor/balcony/walkway on the left side.) < 1263683136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Surely he means ruby < 1263683209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err? < 1263683217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in the further or the closer end? < 1263683242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In the far end; the closer end would be "first", not "last". At least for my intuition. < 1263683254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the programming language you're coding in affects the way you think about the problem, but that's only because all you're doing is translating it into the language < 1263683258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the one at the very end? well no I can't < 1263683328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, not the very end of the corridor if you mean the doors that are directly next to the far brick wall; but the last visible door that goes to one of the rooms on the left side. There's a very vaguely person-shaped shadow-looking thing that sort of looks like it's coming out of the door. < 1263683330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not all, but most or programming is just that, translating thoughts into a crappy language. < 1263683353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least that's the reason i don't program much nowadays < 1263683382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that thing that looks like a darker, filled y=-x^2 curve overlayed? < 1263683415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A bit like that, yes. I can see a head there above it, but maybe that's just because I've seen the source images. < 1263683423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possibly < 1263683442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the details on the wall are clearly visible through him/her < 1263683483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: See http://zem.fi/~fis/i009e0.jpg and ...e1.jpg and ...e2.jpg. < 1263683498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He < 1263683500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, AnMaster: what are you doing? < 1263683508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s in e0 and e2, but not e1, so it ends up being a bit translucent. < 1263683531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's a large section, why so much parallax issues with such a zoomed out image? < 1263683559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, panoramas. What else? < 1263683597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are multiple conversations at once, i often accidentally start ignoring the less interesting one < 1263683630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I meant "what else" as in, what else would fizzie and me be talking about that involves images < 1263683637 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Possibly a bit suboptimal alignment. I got tired listening to the awfully loud fan noises the computer makes when it's actually, you know, computing things. < 1263683640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1263683650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be talking about something more specific < 1263683712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah my computer has a constant speed fan. And my laptop can compute heavily on both cores without fan speeding up very much < 1263683749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and gpu remapping crashed nona for me < 1263683768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It crashed nona for me too. < 1263683782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like this? < 1263683784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpu shader program compile time = 0.2 < 1263683784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nona: GL error: Framebuffer incomplete, incomplete attachment in: /build/src/hugin-2009.2.0/src/hugin_base/vigra_ext/ImageTransformsGPU.cpp:708 < 1263683803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and "please report bug"? Well since you already hit this I guess you reported a bug already ;P < 1263683818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since we have the same gpu model, no need for me to do it then < 1263683857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if AnMaster reports all the bugs he finds in software. < 1263683860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly not for Perl. < 1263683886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that; I didn't report anything, though. The list of working hardware at the panotools wiki wasn't especially long. < 1263683891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I couldn't figure out how. There was no way to do it on that bug tracker < 1263683913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or if there was, please provide the link to the page with the form for it < 1263683925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to report bugs < 1263683925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bugs in Perl 5 -- use perlbug < 1263683925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://rt.perl.org/perlbug/ < 1263683929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1263683930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perldoc.perl.org/perlbug.html < 1263683976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, I did create an account on that website. Are you saying you can only use a command line tool. < 1263683995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pointing you to the part of the website that links to a page telling you how to report Perl 5 bugs. < 1263684007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, if I remembered what the bug was any longer I would report it now that proper information has been provided < 1263684018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you didn't get that page after logging in for some reason < 1263684026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're in the RT interface, then. < 1263684033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you would then report bugs using RT's bug reporting interface. < 1263684041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes and I was assuming it worked like other bug trackers < 1263684044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1263684062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps web-based submissions were disabled for Perl 5 in lieu of perlbug. < 1263684065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Presumably you would then report bugs using RT's bug reporting interface. <-- no such functionality as far as I could find < 1263684073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1263684079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should have looked harder. < 1263684084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BugZilla is a bitch to use, too. < 1263684092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they don't know about principle of least surprise < 1263684104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, have you ever used BugZilla? < 1263684107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed, but at least there is a huge "file bug" thing iirc < 1263684111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes plenty of times < 1263684118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for gentoo, for mozilla, for kernel.org < 1263684122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. And that's the only reason you don't vomit every time you use it. < 1263684137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its interface is abhorrent; I'd much rather one hard-to-find link than a horrible, horrible form after that link. < 1263684162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's a pita, it was to begin with as well. Still it wasn't too hard to find "enter a new bug report" on http://bugs.gentoo.org/ < 1263684166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very visible isn't it? < 1263684170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the link list < 1263684171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#perl < 1263684175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complain ↑ < 1263684180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like submitting a bug report < 1263684187 0 :olsner_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :olsner < 1263684214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I didn't vomit on perl's bug tracker. It seemed nice. Just a lack of filing bugs feature made me confused., < 1263684216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confused* < 1263684221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err fail < 1263684225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.,/./ < 1263684235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1263684244 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kenneth E. Iverson, the originator of the APL programming language, believed that the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis applied to computer languages (without actually mentioning the hypothesis by name). His Turing award lecture, "Notation as a tool of thought", was devoted to this theme, arguing that more powerful notations aided thinking about computer algorithms. < 1263684252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/^s/s/\./\\./ < 1263684292 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1263684292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, what is that hypothesis about? < 1263684295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it took me a good 30 seconds to find the enter new bug report link on http://bugs.gentoo.org/. < 1263684302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I am sleep-deprived. < 1263684319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would say it would take a non-sleep-deprived ehird 15-20 seconds < 1263684326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still I spent minutes at the perl bug tracker < 1263684330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still,* < 1263684334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I guess you're meant to use perlbug. < 1263684341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is linked *above* the "yo login to RT" link, after all. < 1263684346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I guess so < 1263684355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I logged in *first* before reading all the details on the page < 1263684377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't do that. < 1263684378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not mentioning after that breaks the principle of least surprise for someone used to other bug trackers. < 1263684380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a gateway page. < 1263684384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hard to know isn't it ;P < 1263684395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Principle of least surprise" is often used as a synonym for "I don't like it". < 1263684397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, in this case. < 1263684401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah I will use perl bug in a bit, if you remind me what the bug was < 1263684403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I forgot that < 1263684408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about VMS or something. < 1263684413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some spacing, issue, or something. < 1263684415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grep the logs or something. < 1263684419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm good idea < 1263684420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's when I did my horrible perl shebang < 1263684421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So grep @REM < 1263684431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you get it to work properly btw? < 1263684433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hopefully* we've never talked about bat files before that. < 1263684437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh, I never tested it. < 1263684445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would have almost worked. < 1263684447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? not even on *nix? < 1263684457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I never bothered to totally complete it. < 1263684459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nope. < 1263684462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The laze is strong within me. < 1263684464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also now you made me wonder about if we talked about *.bat before... < 1263684470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to check though < 1263684477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll come up in the grep :P < 1263684482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, you have that weird-ass CD system < 1263684486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind < 1263684507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes and they are lzma compressed. That takes some time. Older ones are bz2 which is insanely slow < 1263684508 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263684517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1263685254 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1263685278 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1263685548 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more good books on omega point? < 1263685561 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point#Science_Fiction < 1263685573 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point#Science_fiction < 1263685737 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought singularity was omega point :/ < 1263685743 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out that singularity is something else < 1263686240 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're variations on the same dumb idea