in HTML in it's results. However it also results in the paragraph being slightly indented
< 1262447404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which usually is not very bad, but here when I need it inside a table looks rather strange to say the least
< 1262447434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wondered if anyone knew how to get rid of that 0.5-1 em or so indentation
< 1262447438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indention*
< 1262447518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err was correct first time
< 1262447573 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest using a can of manliness and uninstalling LyX.
< 1262447636 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1262447642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been dabbling with LyX for short one-off documents (like single-course homework reports and such) but can't say I've ever used the "LyX-Code" style.
< 1262447644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, it is quite nice I found.
< 1262447650 0 :soupdragon!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric
< 1262447674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the "insert/program listing" thing, which I guess uses the "standard" listings package for formatting.
< 1262447697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1262447726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could work, I don't think it had that when I started to use LyX some years ago. Probably explains why I got used to using LyX-code isntead
< 1262447728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead*
< 1262447757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems it was added in 1.5.0-beta3.
< 1262447782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1262447785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, began with 1.4.x
< 1262447791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it seems to solve the issue, thanks
< 1262447809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s a "document/settings/text layout/Listing settings" thing where you can stick any parameters supported by the listings package, if you want frames around listings or whatever.
< 1262447842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't seem to be a nice way to make it remember defaults for future listing insertion
< 1262447916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well copy and paste the listing and replace what's in it would work
< 1262448312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have a picture of a very big pyramid: http://zem.fi/g2/d/9571-2/p1050097_panorama.jpg -- taken very near (well, there wasn't much room to back off) and mapped with the equirectangular projection, makes it look even bigger than what it actually is. Especially when you look at the tiny tiny people there.
< 1262448328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What do you mean that's not related?)
< 1262448380 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you take that?
< 1262448389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1262448401 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so jelous..
< 1262448419 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell me how it felt to see the pyramids?
< 1262448499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit underwhelming, to be honest. It's incredibly old, I know, but it's still a pile of rocks that smells very heavily of camel excrement, and is surrounded by a huge mob of all kinds of salespeople and people-not-actually-selling-anything-but-wanting-a-bit-of-money-anyway people.
< 1262448542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The not-quite-as-old-but-still-pretty-old tombs in the Valley of the Kings were perhaps more impressive. (Alas, that place had a strict "no photography at all" rule.)
< 1262448614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be fair, I guess it's not the pyramid itself that's smelly, just the surroundings. I doubt you'd get a camel to walk actually on that thing.)
< 1262448643 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's an incedible photo
< 1262448691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's also one of the source images that went into the composite; this one probably appeals more to people who don't like the fisheye-ness of the first one: http://zem.fi/g2/d/9574-2/p1050103.jpg
< 1262448716 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a bit surprised you didn't like it
< 1262448746 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always imagined that seeing the pyramids would be a really powerful and emotional experience
< 1262448792 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just big rocks with dead people inside
< 1262448809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much inside at this point, too.
< 1262448845 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you go inside?
< 1262448863 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be too freaked to, irrational fear of mine
< 1262448865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was worth visiting, to be sure. It's just that having to say "no, no" every twenty seconds to someone who tries to get his camel in your photo so that he can ask for money for the privilege detracted from the experience, I think.
< 1262448869 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't seem to shake it
< 1262448921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. From what I hear, they're pretty cramped (no room to stand up + bazillion other people trying to push you around).
< 1262448932 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Photo the camel and then DON'T PAY. You will overthrow the state
< 1262449037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would be against the established social order of things.
< 1262449057 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fear of going inside buildings? :P
< 1262449096 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did go inside the Valley of the Kings tombs (well, three of them, as was included in the ticket); those were nice and roomy, and nicely decorated.
< 1262449139 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet gcc has __builtin_constant_p
< 1262449153 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: just fear of Egyptian mythology I guess
< 1262449161 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tombs of any kind really
< 1262449193 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fall into any secret catacombs?
< 1262449209 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay
< 1262449212 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, with horrible beasts in the pitch black and untold riches.
< 1262449298 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. But it was a bit amusing that about half of the tombs have managed to hit another tomb during the digging, and have had to make awkward 90.degree turns because of that. (Since the tombs were supposed to be hidden, it's not like you could call the municipality for digging directions.)
< 1262449353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've found something like 63 tombs from the not-so-big valley; it probably looks a bit like swiss cheese if you take a cross-section of it.
< 1262449384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's been stolen off both the pyramids and the tombs, anyway. We did look at Tutankhamon's stuff in the Egyptian Museum, later. (Also a no-photo place.)
< 1262449447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I had http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Tut_%28song%29 looping incessantly in my head the whole time we were there.
< 1262449448 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toot and char moon
< 1262449606 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tootin' car moon
< 1262449661 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toot ink arm oom.
< 1262449667 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ion
< 1262449670 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oon
< 1262450054 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info"
< 1262450359 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
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< 1262453239 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1262453435 0 :osaunders!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bye"
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< 1262461815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm would it be possible (in theory) to get a higher resolution scan than "native" resolution of something by taking several scans and moving the scanned thing half a pixel or such in between
< 1262461820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then interpolate or such
< 1262462000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Moving the scanned thing half a pixel" doesn't sound exactly trivial in many cases.
< 1262462021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, notice "in theory"
< 1262462024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: apparently, that's how bee vision works
< 1262462035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"huh"
< 1262462040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, really?
< 1262462050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what? do they move the flowers half a pixel!?
< 1262462063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also what about a stepper motor?
< 1262462063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their vision only has a few hundred pixels
< 1262462082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as they move around, they get more info
< 1262462088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a term for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-resolution
< 1262462119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Multiple-frame SR use the sub-pixel shifts between multiple low resolution images of the same scene. They create an improved resolution image fusing information from all low resolution images, and the created higher resolution images are better descriptions of the scene."
< 1262462258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1262462657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wonder if you could use hugin for this, in theory
< 1262462709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they would have moved many pixels, but as long as they didn't move exactly whole pixels, you have enough images, no parallax and luck with control points it should work
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< 1262462841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The control points by definition move full pixels, though; at least I think their positions are integers in the image coordinates. I would guess you'd have more luck with one of the algos especially designed for the purpose.
< 1262462915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of hugin, did some experimenting with HDR+tone-mapping for one panorama that had both direct-sunlight and in-shadow parts, as I wanted details (engravings) visible for both.
< 1262462927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did it work better than enfuse?
< 1262462967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and no; I did get better contrast in some parts, but also some artifacts.
< 1262462973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also, did you make sure the images were linear? iirc that is quite important (check panotools wiki),
< 1262462986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike for enfuse iirc
< 1262463064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I didn't follow any guidelines; it was an ex-tempore thing.
< 1262463180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just took a pile of shots at auto-exposure, fixed WB, then optimized positions only (no exposure) and used hugin's built-in "map images to linear color space and blend to a HDR output" mode, followed by one of the psftmo tone-mapping tools.
< 1262463287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the luminance histogram for the resulting HDR file was strongly bimodal, which is what I'd have expected; the shadowy and sunlighty portions were at rather different value ranges.
< 1262463299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to find the result.
< 1262463588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean, as in linear sensor data
< 1262463610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that means gamma linearity = 1
< 1262463612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such
< 1262463629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to do with not using "color matrix" option in ufraw either
< 1262463671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh; that doesn't sound like something that couldn't be remapped afterwards.
< 1262463833 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1262463864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.panotools.org/HDR_workflow_with_hugin speaks of "unrolling" the images with a calibrate camera response, though the big fat "this is outdated" disclaimer does not fill me with confidence.
< 1262464336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition if I can get it for free? (I can also get 2010 beta or something)
< 1262464356 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not a beta
< 1262464378 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1262464439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, MSDNAA?
< 1262464447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1262464454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, well, how else for free?
< 1262464461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DreamSpark
< 1262464466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of that
< 1262464472 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dreamspark.com
< 1262464479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some software free for students
< 1262464500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, get warning about invalid SSL cert
< 1262464503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unknown CA
< 1262464510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get any warnings
< 1262464531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, also not free software. Free software = open source
< 1262464538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean no-cost or such
< 1262464544 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha y2k bug on the website
< 1262464554 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he never said "free software", only "software free".
< 1262464564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, ah misread it
< 1262464591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this dreamspark. looks like MSDNA with psychedelic theme ;P
< 1262464592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of
< 1262464597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSDNAA*
< 1262464640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DreamSpark is for pretty much any student, though; msdnaa is restricted to participating institutions.
< 1262464705 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DreamSpark uses the "Microsoft" trademark all over the place and its nameserver is at msft.net.
< 1262464706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DreamSpark's also a newer thing. I remember downloading *something* from thee, but I've already forgotten what it was, so I'd guess it wasn't anything too useful.
< 1262464798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/thee/there/; I was not trying to speak Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe.
< 1262464800 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try that again. DreamSpark uses the "Microsoft" trademark all over the place and has a Wikipedia article; therefore, they're legitimate.
< 1262464873 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may install one copy of the Software made available to You through the Student Program on Your own device, but only (a) to support Your science, technology, engineering, mathematics and/or design (“STEM-D”) education; (b) in non-commercial STEM-D research; or (c) to design, develop, test, and demonstrate software programs for the above purposes."
< 1262464881 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you
< 1262464897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, in a sense, _anything_ I do in it supports my education, right? >:D
< 1262464908 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. What were you planning to do with it?
< 1262464988 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write stuff. Perhaps be able to participate again in the game I was fired from (They're using C# now. I'm no longer the primary programmer, but can participate if I learn C#). Maybe a Second Life bot (libSL is a .NET ... thingy, so I _could_ try to figure out IronPython, but all examples are C#)
< 1262465084 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3GB :/
< 1262465097 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just download Visual Studio C# Express for now
< 1262465146 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this game?
< 1262465178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, sort of a futuristic clone of an Active Worlds game that died in 2005
< 1262465206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm technically still irreplacable as the person who knows the most about that game, but am apparently replacable as programmer.
< 1262465358 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you fired for any reason other than not knowing C#?
< 1262465399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, for not getting the work done
< 1262465403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept doing other things
< 1262465433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, C# is only a requirement because that's what my replacement's most comfortable with
< 1262465433 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1262465488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On New Years Eve, I was in-world, and they were trying to talk to me, but I was in another window. Then, later, I was telegrammed (which plays a sound, getting my attention) that I was replaced
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< 1262467431 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Visual Studio C# Express installer: I _just told you_ I don't want to install SQL Server Express
< 1262467651 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if tetris is turing equivalent
< 1262467877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I want to investigate Small Worlds to see if the player-created "missions" are turing-complete
< 1262468165 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see the world in a grain of sand!
< 1262468170 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and heaven in a wild flower!
< 1262468176 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
< 1262468181 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eternity in an hour!
< 1262468188 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: well, not without infinite storage.
< 1262468213 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two obvious ways to have infinite storage: an infinitely tall board, and an infinitely wide board.
< 1262468233 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An infinitely tall board would probably function as a single stack, and therefore be insufficient, but I'm not sure.
< 1262468266 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On an infinitely wide board, the mechanic would have to be modified somehow, as you can't actually complete a row.
< 1262468271 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: well, if you had a pattern on notes on the left side, could you do computation with that?
< 1262468287 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had a what?
< 1262468294 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notches
< 1262468312 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, left most colum is filled, then the one next to that has a bit pattern
< 1262468334 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1262468360 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A major question is what it means for Tetris to compute.
< 1262468388 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the input could be a list of blocks
< 1262468399 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably have to be non-deterministic
< 1262468427 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie if your program is well formatted, only one input will not lead to an infinitely growing stack
< 1262468438 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps have some "thing" that's solvable if and only if a certain Turing machine halts, plus an algorithm for solving it if it is solvable.
< 1262468465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world!. Sgeo sold his soul and sucked Microsoft's c*** just for ACT01 and
< 1262468465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second Life
< 1262468527 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the computation becomes how to win, not the playing itself
< 1262468967 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all you said was "Tetris".
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< 1262473821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DreamSpark is for pretty much any student, though; msdnaa is restricted to participating institutions. <-- I guess MSDNAA has more stuff?
< 1262473839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so.
< 1262473848 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more expensive stuff, too.
< 1262473935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I did my first-ever emergency call a moment ago. There was a fire alarm that kept beeping, but I couldn't pinpoint-localize the source; couldn't figure out anything else than to call the emergency services. They dispatched a fire truck and a full set of firemen to handle the situation; not that they were having much more luck in locating the source of the beeping at first.
< 1262474004 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1262474037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out the people living directly upstairs from us had put a fire alarm on their balcony, for some really unfathomable reason. I don't know why it was beeping, but I guess it might have something to do with the -20 degree weather out there. Anyway, since it was on the balcony, it was pretty audible outside (and somewhat near the door to our balcony, which is directly below), but cleverly you could barely distinguish it at the apartment doors, so it wasn't
< 1262474037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy to figure out which one it was.
< 1262474041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, dreamspark won't have winxp pro x64 or such?
< 1262474059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There was no-one home, either, so they had to wait a while for the service company guy to come open the door.)
< 1262474079 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A smoke alarm?
< 1262474105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, crazy
< 1262474128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't I post a listing of all MSDNAA software some time ago?
< 1262474156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything from MSDOS 6.1 to windows 20xx server beta something
< 1262474164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and visual studio and what not
< 1262474167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, though I don't remember; anyway, DreamSpark has just Windows Server 2003 and 2008 on the OS side.
< 1262474169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not MS office though, not that I need it
< 1262474190 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Visual Studio 2005/2008 Pro and "2010 Ultimate", whatever that is.
< 1262474205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That one's the beta.)
< 1262474206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the msdnaa bookmark in firefox has the wikipedia logo
< 1262474211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a wikipedia article about it
< 1262474220 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :adam_d
< 1262474222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does the wikipedia logo show up on the actual msdnaa page
< 1262474226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just the bookmark
< 1262474232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DreamSpark theme has changed a bit; it was equally psychedelic earlier, but more green.
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< 1262474252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you have MSDNAA though?
< 1262474296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it is, it isn't psychedelic
< 1262474336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, look at http://msdn62.e-academy.com/elms/Storefront/Home.aspx?campus=orebro_appsci
< 1262474342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logged in pages look much the same
< 1262474357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, "had". I'm not sure what the status is with us graduate students. Usually we don't have much on the benefits side.
< 1262474362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1262474365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how strange
< 1262474366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen and used the MSDNAA pages, anyway.
< 1262474373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were pretty utilitarian, yes.
< 1262474373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looked same for you?
< 1262474435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough. Very official, very boring.
< 1262474519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and here is the software list (yay view source): http://pastebin.ca/1735570
< 1262474658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what "x86 and x64 WoW" means
< 1262474667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean the software isn't 64-bit?
< 1262474799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely, since WoW64 is that "run 32-bit stuff on x64 windows" thing.
< 1262474999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1262475006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seems visual studio is all 32-bit
< 1262475028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 2010
< 1262475288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, shocking that there is no box shot for http://omploader.org/vMzU2YQ
< 1262475289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it?
< 1262475315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it just reminded me of how slow dialup is, that box near the bottom
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< 1262475595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods fizzie 

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< 1262476020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider me prodded. (I'm almost asleep here.)
< 1262476148 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56K dialup is still on the fast-ish side; during the BBS era, I used to have a 2400 bps modem; there was a rule of thumb that it took a bit over an hour to move a megabyte over zmodem.
< 1262476293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBS of the local computing rag (that is, magazine) allocated only 60 minutes of time per day; fortunately there was a "time bank" where you could deposit up to... I think up to four hours of extra time. So you could download a floppy-sized file easily, by first putting 50 minutes of one day's time in the bank, then withdrawing it the next day; the 1h50min you got that way was just about enough.
< 1262476294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah
< 1262476318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, because zmodem could continue interrupted transfers, it wasn't quite that bad.)
< 1262476325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1262476365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The transfer speeds were a bit less with smodem which everyone used, because smodem was able to multiplex the IRC-like BBS chat channel with the file transfer; you could chat with people while the file transfers were going on.
< 1262476491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mhm
< 1262476502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so people used it rather than zmodem?
< 1262476539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least people who used to hang around the chat channel.
< 1262476557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, smodem was a Finnish invention.
< 1262476694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Smodem is a bidirectional protocol for file transfer used between modems, developed by a Finnish company Arisoft. It was mainly used in BBS systems, because it could transfer files in both directions at the same time, and allowed users to chat with each other with AriSoft's GroupChat software. Other popular bidirectional protocols, such as BiModem, HS/Link and HydraCom, also offered a chat option with the operator but not with system's other users."
< 1262476716 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I can think of one think I would use a floppy disk for.
< 1262476729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: :D
< 1262476737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sleep now, nights.)
< 1262476743 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of all the player pianos I remember seeing, all of them took floppy disks.
< 1262476759 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my player pianos take rolls of paper.
< 1262476762 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as do my computers.
< 1262476777 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your player pianos are obsolete.
< 1262476784 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the point! :D
< 1262476794 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My player pianos are not obsolete!