00:01:51 Maybe he's referring to the DS :P 00:02:05 In my case the microSD card's file system got corrupted. 00:02:34 It being FAT32 probably didn't help :( 00:03:54 dsorganise is good but the filesystem corruption and crashes aren't... 00:04:15 AnMaster: ghosts and their suffering 00:07:02 oerjan, ah right 00:07:19 Asztal, restore it from backup? 00:12:40 -!- ehirdiphone has joined. 00:12:42 kaput 00:14:47 kerebrum 00:15:03 Warrigal log reading: thue in thue exists 00:16:29 Oh, uorygl is here. 00:16:51 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:17:12 ehirdiphone: technically 00:17:29 Omg; MKRY is dying? 00:18:59 * Sgeo_ got Windows working again! 00:19:24 ehirdiphone, you shall have to maintain rcfunge! 00:19:38 Har har. 00:19:52 ehirdiphone, using emacs on the iphone! 00:20:09 But seriously: may his stardust go on to compose wonderful things. 00:20:32 (What a humanist farewell.) 00:20:39 ehirdiphone, but seriously, why not maintain it. After all, didn't you like it? 00:20:59 No. 00:21:26 ehirdiphone, no? 00:21:40 I just responded to unwarranted hate of him and RC/Funge98. 00:22:02 hah 00:22:30 ehirdiphone, so things haven't been sorted out yet? 00:22:44 whatever those things are 00:22:58 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 00:24:01 ehirdiphone, how much secondary storage does the iphone have? 00:25:23 AnMaster: The iPhone only has one storage. 00:25:31 ehirdiphone, no ram? 00:25:37 For the 3G S, 16 or 32 GiB. 00:25:41 AnMaster: Well yes. 00:25:50 For the 3G, dunno. 00:25:57 ehirdiphone, and a memory card slot I guess? 00:26:08 I have an 8 GiB original. 00:26:10 AnMaster: No. 00:26:11 * Sgeo_ is so glad that the malware didn't affect his ability to access the registry 00:26:17 ehirdiphone, how weird 00:26:23 Not really. 00:26:26 oh? 00:26:30 It has enough storage. 00:26:32 Sgeo_: Or Does It?!!! 00:26:50 The iPod touch goes up to 64 GiB I think. 00:26:55 Being musicy. 00:26:57 ehirdiphone, depends on what you will use it for 00:27:00 SimonRC, regedit works, and the change I made to allow myself to access the task manager works 00:27:05 AnMaster: Like? 00:27:12 Unless this thing is so complex that it's letting me _think_ it's working 00:27:16 well for music as you said, it is not nearly enough 00:27:22 It is. 00:27:23 Sgeo_: probably not 00:27:33 ehirdiphone, I assume cd-quality flac here 00:27:34 ;P 00:27:46 Those won't play on the iPhone. 00:27:46 but there a standard ways to protect processes from Task Manager, or even Process Explorer 00:28:00 things like anti-virus programs use them 00:28:00 ehirdiphone, doesn't apple have their own loseless format? 00:28:09 ALAC. 00:28:16 This piece of work apparently went for the "disable the task manager" option 00:28:23 I really really doubt that it's still active 00:28:26 Lossless on a portable is pointless. 00:28:40 ehirdiphone, you can plug in good headphones, can't you? 00:28:49 It's not archival, so use high quality lossy. Indistinguishable. 00:28:52 well maybe the circuitry can't deliver good sound 00:29:15 AnMaster: Sorry, you cannot distinguish 256 Kbps AAC and lossless. 00:29:24 ehirdiphone, I never claimed I could 00:29:29 So... 00:29:41 ehirdiphone, it is just a matter of principles 00:29:58 Enjoy them thar principles. 00:30:12 ehirdiphone, hah 00:30:14 AnMaster: Could you send me MKRY's email? 00:30:24 ehirdiphone, I don't have your email 00:30:38 Penguinofthegods@gmail.com 00:30:41 ah 00:31:19 ehirdiphone: by "send me" I assume you meant "send the world" 00:31:21 ehirdiphone, gpg key? 00:31:42 I wonder whether I should get a laptop or a desktop. My principles say laptop, but OMG MOAR PIXELS 00:31:50 AnMaster: None and proud! 00:31:50 ( http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D ) 00:31:53 :-) 00:32:04 SimonRC: Not if he emails it... 00:32:04 what is so great about laptops? 00:32:18 ah, I mis-read those lines 00:32:27 I thought that was AnMaster's reply 00:32:29 d'oh 00:32:37 SimonRC: All my work and environment weighing a couple of kilos as a physical object. 00:32:54 ehirdiphone, I will send it if you keep it private. Reason is simple: I don't know if MKRY would like it. 00:33:09 Portable anywhere, usable in any orientation I desire. 00:33:16 AnMaster: Of course. 00:33:43 I only worry that he might be committing suicide. 00:33:49 ehirdiphone, and I hope you can handle PGP/MIME :P 00:33:58 because that is what I sent it as (signed) 00:34:07 and no I won't resend as non-PGP/MIME 00:34:26 Gmail will probably just show it as plaintext. 00:34:51 Http://gmail.com go go gadget link tap 00:35:06 eh? 00:35:50 SimonRC: Eh what? 00:35:54 -!- FireFly has quit ("Leaving"). 00:36:06 your immediately preceding line 00:36:17 SimonRC: Also: laptops from good companies are a more tightly integrated computer than desktops. 00:36:17 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:36:22 Also, iPhone. 00:36:38 Http://gmail.com go go gadget link tap <-- ? 00:36:52 AnMaster: It just shows your message. I will try with MobileMail. 00:36:56 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:37:04 ehirdiphone, it was an attachment 00:37:05 Also, I typed it to tap it. 00:37:18 AnMaster: Yeah. Wouldn't load. Brb 00:37:20 -!- ehirdiphone has quit ("Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info"). 00:37:47 he certainly types fast for being on a phone... 00:38:25 -!- ehirdiphone has joined. 00:38:32 yeah, it's like Homestuck or something 00:38:39 He signed it MKRY. I feel distinctly guilty. 00:39:03 That opener, though — he certainly thinks you hate him. 00:39:31 Doesn't seem like the happiest bloke around... 00:40:05 http://rcfunge98.com/ for my tapping. Gonna see if he's put anything on the site. 00:40:20 heh, also I mis-interpreted "his email" 00:40:31 I thought that meant email *address* 00:40:45 "for my tapping"? 00:41:06 how do you type so fast on an iPhone? 00:41:12 That, I think, shall be my next question. If MKRY is going to kill himself, well, I'd rather he didn't. 00:41:26 SimonRC: Tsp to open a link. Er, tap. 00:41:41 Also, dunno. The auto-corrector helps a lot. 00:42:00 As does the two spaces to make a new sentence. 00:42:11 heh 00:42:19 AnMaster: So, what's his email? 00:42:33 I guess it's on his site. 00:43:07 Not that I feel like writing an email on this thing. 00:43:13 ehirdiphone, it is in the forwarded message 00:43:29 SimonRC: Oh, and the primary skill for iPhone typing is sheer fearlessness! 00:43:30 ehirdiphone, look in the header of the forwarded attachment 00:44:09 If you never think you make mistakes and just keep typing, it'll all work out fine for the mostpart. 00:44:12 I don't suppose you can get FITALY for that thing can you? 00:44:18 AnMaster: Cant. 00:44:24 *can't. 00:44:25 ehirdiphone, why not? 00:44:40 SimonRC: No. Fitaly is for styluses anyway. 00:44:44 AnMaster: Iphone. 00:44:56 ehirdiphone, no IMAP client app? 00:45:11 how many digits do you use to type? 00:45:13 Gmail web won't budge. The native app just unlined the text. 00:45:29 SimonRC: right index finger only. 00:45:36 ehirdiphone, hm 00:45:46 When in landscape mode, both thumbs. 00:46:00 ehirdiphone, see /msg 00:46:57 I would consider fitaly suitable for a single finger the same way it is for a stylus 00:47:01 :-S 00:47:02 ehirdiphone, I ask you to guess why I'm currently in a directory containing 1.6 GB image taken without moving the camera. 00:47:14 ehirdiphone, reading logs is cheating 00:47:30 sorry, 1.8 GB 00:47:32 misread 00:47:59 it isn't all direct though, I think when I actually transferred it from the camera it was "just" 1 GB 00:48:08 SimonRC: Perhaps. My intense familiarity with QWERTY probably trumps its advantages. 00:48:14 ok 00:48:24 AnMaster: Exposure? 00:48:46 ehirdiphone, that's rather vague. what to do with exposure in that case 00:48:53 I cought the start of that conversation. Didn't get to testing, though, just discussion. 00:48:56 oh btw: not a video camera 00:49:48 int main(){printf("Hello, world!"); return 0;} 00:50:07 Hey, that was pretty fast. 00:50:13 I cought the start of that conversation. Didn't get to testing, though, just discussion. <-- ? 00:50:22 Two days ago or so? 00:50:30 With fizzie. 00:50:34 ah 00:51:54 ehirdiphone, well 1.6 GB is: 4 identical shots (for noise reduction by enfuse to average them) * 10 different shutter speeds 00:52:07 well those are ~1 GB in RAW 00:52:20 but there is a lot of tiff images there now 00:52:27 16 bits per channel 00:52:46 oh and AdobeRGB 00:53:21 ehirdiphone, it means I'm completely unable to do manual retouching in gimp until the final downsampled to 8 bits stage 00:53:26 I can still do stuff in krita 00:53:33 which support this soft of image format 00:53:43 but krita is a pain to use 00:54:36 Why are you telling me this? 00:54:57 ehirdiphone, becuase this will be a glorious HDR xmas tree when it is done! 00:55:43 That is an answer to "Why are you doing this?", not "Why are you telling me this?", 00:56:01 s/,$/./ 00:56:41 ehirdiphone, no it isn't to either: "why a HDR xmas tree" 00:56:49 is the follow up question 00:57:06 But I don't want to ask that question. 00:57:14 ehirdiphone, as for why I told you: I'm bored watching the slow output 00:57:25 this takes minutes even on a fast system 00:57:28 Anyone have an opinion on notebook vs desktop? 00:57:39 so I spent some time talking to you meanwhile 00:57:48 AnMaster: Okay :P 00:58:30 ehirdiphone, actually gimp is still useful. To preview intermediate steps. 00:59:14 I guess nobody has an opinion, then. Toodles for a few minutes. 00:59:16 -!- ehirdiphone has quit ("Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info"). 00:59:28 "Toodles"? 00:59:36 Anyone have an opinion on notebook vs desktop? <-- well 00:59:50 smaller laptop monitors are irritating for photographic works? 00:59:57 even if hi-dpi 01:35:44 i just got this email from a friend: "What would you do for RSA encryption?" That's all there is. What does anyone think I should reply with? 01:40:19 immibis, is the user computer literate 01:40:25 if so, at what level 01:40:27 yes 01:40:40 they can program in C 01:40:45 ah... 01:40:48 immibis, what OS? 01:40:56 I'd inform them that I'd implement it in C. 01:40:58 if windows it could be malware 01:41:16 what could be malware? 01:41:35 weird spam to everyone in address book? 01:41:42 far fetched I know 01:41:50 immibis, "I would kill for RSA, but not for DSA" 01:41:53 what about that ;P 01:42:07 or something like that 01:42:34 i think i'll ask them "What would you do for TCP/IP?" 01:42:34 immibis, actually for RSA I would use some existing library, rather than try to implement it myself 01:42:46 consider all timing attacks and so on that exists 01:43:36 amature implementation of cryptography is asking for trouble 01:43:50 Use a library. Read the docs carefully 01:43:50 SimonRC, exactly 01:44:29 SimonRC, I don't think motors are involved. 01:44:49 immibis: huh? 01:44:53 He also sent me a pile (not literally) of code and the message "What is wrong with this?" 01:45:01 SimonRC: "amature" is closer to "armature" than "amateur" 01:45:10 motor? 01:45:25 never mind 01:45:38 ah 01:45:44 armature? Isn't that a light fixture 01:45:53 -!- ehirdiphone has joined. 01:45:56 as in, the thing holding the bulb 01:45:57 "In electrical engineering, an armature generally refers to one of the two principal electrical components of an electromechanical machine– a motor or generator" 01:46:21 immibis, the word in Swedish generally refers to the the bit that holds the bulb 01:46:28 how confusing 01:46:42 http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post/266988205/pandy Sleek. Who needs OpenGL? Someone tell fizzie to see if this works on the N900. 01:46:51 SimonRC: Unless, of course, aforementioned cryptography is intended to keep things secret from centuries-old Eves. 01:48:15 * uorygl notes that he can't have his first name as a nick. 01:48:58 Nickserv "Ivan" Hope 01:49:05 err 01:49:10 "Eves"? 01:49:10 XD 01:49:19 I mean, I can if I get rid of the guy who's using it right now. 01:49:31 ehirdiphone, forgot / or messed up typo correction? 01:49:33 "get rid of" 01:49:50 * SimonRC goes to bed 01:50:00 SimonRC: Eve, the eavesdropper. 01:50:04 ok 01:50:06 * SimonRC goes to bed 01:50:11 uorygl: For you, I can only assume that means proving using Bayesian reasoning that they don't exist. 01:50:16 AnMaster: Eh? 01:50:22 Nickserv "Ivan" Hope 01:50:23 that 01:50:34 What about it? It was a joke. 01:50:38 ah 01:50:51 ehirdiphone: I wonder why you would say that. 01:50:55 Or why I would do that. 01:51:16 uorygl used to identify as ihope, which he backronymmed to Ivan Hope. 01:51:30 See? Funny joke make laughter glorious. 01:51:53 uorygl: Because you're too warm and fuzzy to kill. 01:52:09 Oh, okay. 01:52:23 * uorygl curls up into a warm and fuzzy... roundish thing. 01:52:32 Aww, a monad. 01:54:12 It seems like iPhone's WebKit is good enough to use for really native-feeling apps, thus subverting the app store and getting cool things like automatic updates. 01:54:38 I should make... Tilt Pong. 01:54:45 ehirdiphone, tilt pong? 01:54:56 how would it work? 01:55:28 circular pong? 01:55:40 It'd be pong, except flipped so that the sides are top and bottom; played horizontally on an iPhone. Tilting left and right slides the bat. 01:55:41 immibis, hypersphere pong! 01:55:56 Ooh, circular tilt pong. 01:56:24 ehirdiphone, wow that sound cool 01:56:26 the sides are the outside and the center, your bat is always wherever down is 01:56:30 The bat is stationary on the screen; tilting moves everything else, thus moving the bat. 01:56:40 the ai's bat is smaller of course 01:56:42 AnMaster: Tilt or circular tilt pong? 01:56:53 ehirdiphone, the combination mostly 01:57:26 Yeah. It'd work best if the iphone was square, though. 01:57:40 Or, um, circular. 01:57:46 ehirdiphone, you could extend it to 3D with... sphere-pong! 01:57:53 semi-transparent sphere 01:58:06 Tesseract pong. 01:58:27 -!- jpc has joined. 01:58:32 ehirdiphone, I said hypersphere above too 01:58:39 "—And He Built a Crooked Pong Playing Field—" 01:59:24 But seriously, I might do circular tilt pong. 01:59:34 ehirdiphone, you could convert it to circular tiling breakout 01:59:40 with no bouncing edges 01:59:43 The iphone's killer app. 02:00:06 I'm still working on my killer app. 02:00:07 tilting* 02:00:11 I'm sure it'll start killing any month now. 02:00:28 ehirdiphone, good, killing iphone. Android will rule 02:00:34 AnMaster: So youre in the center? 02:00:43 Also, god I hope not. 02:00:44 ehirdiphone, the bricks are in the center 02:00:56 Iphone + androids app model. Kthx 02:01:02 ehirdiphone, your paddle moves around the sphere based on tilting 02:01:09 you need the bounce the ball all the way around 02:01:15 as in 02:01:20 it will fall down any edges 02:01:21 (android market is open, third party apps easy) 02:01:26 won't bounce to any walls 02:01:35 AnMaster: Spheres have no edges. 02:01:36 just to the paddle and the bricks 02:01:54 ehirdiphone, uh. limiting area :P 02:01:56 or whatever 02:02:01 So, iPhone plus no Apple douchebaggery. 02:02:14 Anyway, that would be insanely difficult to play, AnMaster. 02:02:15 But Apple doesn't know how to do anything without a heavy dose of douchebaggery. 02:02:27 ehirdiphone, would work better in 2D I bet 02:02:34 Gregor: Hey—the Mac is an open market. 02:02:47 I didn't say they used the same douchebaggery in every market. 02:03:01 They just fucked this one up. It's gradually showing signs of slowly improving. 02:03:10 -!- Sgeo__ has joined. 02:03:22 Gregor: #applefuckspuppies is over there 02:03:37 ehirdiphone, I agree with Gregor 02:03:39 :P 02:03:49 PUPPY 02:03:52 RAPE 02:04:04 ehirdiphone, they don't stop at that 02:04:14 * Gregor huggles sidux on his MacBook. 02:04:16 they do weird fetishism to the puppies too 02:04:20 PUPPY SKULLFUCKIBG 02:04:22 Now if I could just get rid of this "MacBook" part. 02:04:26 Gregor, "sidux"? 02:04:42 AnMaster: sidux is a semi-distro of fixes to Debian sid. 02:04:46 Gregor: Here's a dollar, kid; go buy a worse computer. 02:04:57 Gregor, ah 02:05:08 AnMaster: Basically, it makes sid JUST stable enough to actually use, while still giving it the delicious flavor of Debian. 02:05:11 Just sell the MacBook and buy five laptops with the profit. 02:05:19 ehirdiphone: 'snot mine. 02:05:27 Macs resell for killer pices. 02:05:38 ehirdiphone: The resell value does not make it any more mine :P 02:06:02 iPhone typing is, surprisingly, not instantaneous. 02:06:16 STEVE JOBS LIED TO ME 02:06:24 That's because the iPhone's crappy onscreen keyboard is just that :P 02:06:35 night 02:06:42 night → 02:07:11 It beats the hell out of the incredibly tiny keys that are hard to press and have almost no tactility or error correction. 02:07:29 You know, ever other phone's keyboard. 02:07:48 And I think I am demonstrating rather acceptable speed with it. 02:08:20 I guess I should probably pack sometime. 02:08:24 What with my plane tomorrow. 02:08:30 PACK EVIL SHOTS 02:08:51 RATS LIVE ON NO EVIL STAR 02:09:12 PACKING IS EDUCATED STUPID! 02:09:50 7 gigofigurdruxfuxrixitxruxrxriirso 02:09:54 -!- ehirdiphone has quit ("Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info"). 02:17:24 The iPhone's keyboard is better than other phones' keyboards? Gee, I didn't know that. 02:20:36 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:29:14 -!- adam_d has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:40:36 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:41:44 -!- Sgeo__ has changed nick to Sgeo. 03:05:17 -!- immibis_ has joined. 03:13:50 -!- immibis has quit (Nick collision from services.). 03:13:53 -!- immibis_ has changed nick to immibis. 04:58:49 -!- jpc has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 06:10:41 -!- soupdragon has quit ("* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *"). 06:45:30 * oerjan ponders whether to tell soupdragon about his quit message 06:48:20 Nope 07:26:53 -!- p_q has joined. 07:27:28 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:40:00 whats BitchX.doc 07:40:00 :| 07:40:23 some kind of readme for the bitchx client, i guess 07:41:36 i see 07:42:04 so im guessing what this means is that soupdragon is on a nix machine and by default, the bitchx client has that as the quit message 07:42:16 and somewhere in the readme, probably the end, it says this 07:43:01 infact, it says this nowhere, it merely lists it 07:43:11 * Sgeo bitches at everyone for no reason other than the mention of bitch in a certain IRC client's name 07:43:24 Good night all 07:43:26 * augur fucks sgeo 07:43:27 oh ok 07:43:28 good night 07:43:44 i need to pack 07:44:22 I will kill anyone who says any of: pack, struct, structure, cast, garbage 07:44:35 is the BitchX manual actually a Microsoft Word document? 07:44:58 Anything beginning with c_ 07:45:12 field and fields 07:45:37 v4 07:45:38 aw 07:46:22 i'm scared 07:50:03 Good night all 07:50:13 remember to declare your struct with __attribute__((packed)), and use the appropriate fields, don't cast them stupidly or you might get garbage in a field 07:50:39 oh and don't touch c_unused or your computer will explode 07:50:51 * Sgeo kills immibis then asks if __attribute__ is actually supposed to mean anything 07:51:41 sheesh, Sgeo don't you know you should ask first and kill afterwards? 07:51:46 * immibis (who is barely alive) mumbles with his dying breath "......g...c.........c..............." 07:52:55 Good night all 07:53:03 * immibis dies 07:53:16 * immibis is reanimated by the power of oegs 07:53:31 * immibis wonders what oegS is 07:53:40 How'd you get 4/5ths of my AIM screenname? 07:54:31 wonk reven lliw uoy 07:55:25 ‮Technically, I typed this in forwards. 07:55:42 ‮And it might appear forwards to some people. 07:55:51 yes, it might 07:56:06 * oerjan assumes that's a unicode right-to-left mark thing 07:56:09 Yes 07:56:43 It's somewhat unstable when selected 07:57:20 Good night 07:57:26 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Leaving"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:28:02 -!- immibis has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]"). 08:33:50 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 08:52:25 Hmm... mIRC doesn't do RTL. "left-to-right/‏right-to-left‎/left-to-right" displays as "left-to-right/right-to-left/left-to-right", when it should be displayed as "left-to-right/tfel-ot-thgir/left-to-right". 09:19:49 -!- FireFly has joined. 09:51:35 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 10:08:23 -!- adam_d has joined. 10:22:51 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 10:26:11 -!- olsner has joined. 10:28:22 -!- olsner has quit (Client Quit). 10:28:31 -!- olsner has joined. 10:34:52 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:35:06 -!- olsner has joined. 10:37:02 -!- olsner_ has joined. 10:37:04 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:37:07 -!- olsner_ has changed nick to olsner. 10:41:45 -!- adam_d_ has joined. 10:48:25 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:48:34 -!- olsner has joined. 10:50:37 -!- p_q has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 10:52:25 The iPhone's keyboard is better than other phones' keyboards? Gee, I didn't know that. <-- what about those phones that you can open in a way similar to a laptop? 10:52:45 those having a screen and a tiny qwerty keyboard inside 10:52:53 was years since I last saw one of them 10:52:57 some nokia iirc 11:02:07 -!- adam_d has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:03:15 -!- olsner has quit. 11:05:14 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 11:22:36 -!- Asztal has joined. 11:56:23 -!- Pthing has joined. 11:58:43 -!- atrapado has joined. 12:37:35 -!- adam_d_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:58:19 -!- adam_d has joined. 13:12:04 -!- adam_d_ has joined. 13:30:17 -!- adam_d has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)). 13:45:02 -!- AnMaster_ has joined. 13:58:45 -!- AnMaster has quit (Connection timed out). 14:08:14 -!- AnMaster_ has changed nick to AnMaster. 14:22:38 * SimonRC goes 14:27:24 -!- adam_d_ has changed nick to adam_d. 14:45:00 -!- Slereah has joined. 14:54:45 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:17:29 was years since I last saw one of them 15:17:38 They're all slide-out now, but it's fundamentally the same. 15:19:22 Gregor, ah 15:24:07 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 16:05:45 -!- Asztal has quit (Connection timed out). 16:19:57 -!- soupdragon has joined. 16:22:42 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:25:34 -!- FireFly has quit ("Leaving"). 16:25:38 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 16:25:55 -!- FireFly has joined. 17:05:59 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:15:22 -!- adam_d has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:16:44 AnMaster: iwc 17:18:59 D&D cuts a little close today 17:19:31 oerjan, you said we jumped the shark. Agreed. I think we should stop the contest 17:19:45 however I do have to say it was so long ago I read them I forgot them 17:19:49 oh 17:19:53 -!- olsner has joined. 17:20:33 james stud flushes down the drain... 17:21:29 oerjan, and D&D? 17:21:58 i thought that was obvious... 17:22:16 anyway, guillotine blades 17:22:59 ah 17:39:12 hrrm where *is* fizzie 17:39:28 dissolved 17:39:39 fizzled out, then? 17:46:50 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:50:41 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 17:57:58 -!- Asztal has joined. 18:08:34 -!- alegend has joined. 18:09:20 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Connection reset by peer). 18:09:28 Hello! 18:09:41 hi! 18:09:50 hi alleged 18:10:18 By the way, yes I'm the guy who wrote Minimal-2D. 18:10:48 soupdragon: you probably should change your irc quit message ;) 18:10:50 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 18:11:04 I have no idea how to do that 18:11:10 what's a quit message 18:11:14 no, we figured :D 18:11:32 it's a message that gets sent to the channels you're on whenever you quit 18:11:36 oerjan VERSION me for a laugh 18:12:30 *facepalm* 18:13:06 * oerjan will shut up now. if he understood that correctly. 18:13:13 *lipbalm* 18:14:32 * alegend is going to the computer. Which he already was at. 18:18:59 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Minimal-2D 18:19:12 alegend its brainfuck 18:19:17 in 2D 18:19:32 wrote any programs in it? 18:24:14 -!- oerjan has quit ("Later"). 18:28:19 Well, it IS easy to make an infinite loop. 18:32:27 RD 18:32:29 UL 18:32:42 RLY? 18:33:06 I hope oerjan didn't take me as rude :( 18:36:40 I dunno, he might have. 18:38:16 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:38:19 -!- olsner has joined. 18:47:47 Ya know, I wonder if somebody could do modulo in Minimal-2D. 18:49:17 what's that 18:52:14 If you do integer division, the remainder is what you get from the modulo operation. 18:52:22 * uorygl looks at Minimal-2D. 18:53:00 Turing-complete. 18:53:01 * uorygl bows. 18:53:14 Yes! 18:57:52 i like 2L 19:07:37 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:07:59 -!- olsner has joined. 19:11:47 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:13:12 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:43:15 -!- jpc has joined. 19:49:20 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:50:04 -!- pikhq has joined. 20:00:31 -!- HaskellLove has joined. 20:00:35 -!- HaskellLove has left (?). 20:00:46 -!- HaskellLove has joined. 20:00:53 you guys use ANTLR? 20:01:30 -!- osaunders has joined. 20:06:26 Why, that's not lambda! 20:07:14 well what do you write your languages in? 20:07:17 HaskellLove what other nick dids did you use? 20:07:32 you seem familiar 20:07:39 this one only 20:08:05 it's interesting how I keep seeing you 20:08:14 in various esoteric channels 20:09:44 i am only in haskell dude 20:11:13 There's a #haskell-dude channel? 20:12:01 #haskell you fuck! 20:12:07 HaskellLove: I know a guy who's trying to design a better general purpose language and he's never been to university. 20:12:18 fuck! fuck! fuck! hasbell 20:12:26 And I think he'll do it. 20:12:37 better than what? 20:12:47 The other general purpose languages 20:12:56 so like the next ruby or python or ...? 20:12:57 osaunders yeah usualy good stuff comes from guys like that because when you are in college you have no time for else but college 20:13:46 can you give me contact i might ask him for cooperation if he finds me useful which i think he will 20:13:55 The next object-oriented general purpose language. There are a lot of quite original ideas but it borrows from J, Forth and SmallTalk. 20:14:33 osaunders I will study lot of languages in 2010 so... i can help him he can help me... 20:14:59 HaskellLove: You can consider me a contact to him because once he open-sources the language I'll very likely be a contributor. I worked with him on the design of a previous implementation of his language. 20:15:19 He hasn't open-sourced yet because he's using it in a startup. 20:15:40 I see... well I will hang on #haskell if anything comes up let me know ok? 20:16:06 HaskellLove where are you going in programming languages? 20:16:17 Yeah. I'm olliesaunders on twitter if we lose touch. 20:16:20 although i dont see why he would open source it, if he has that original ideas... or the open source thing will be limited? so that people cant touch the core? 20:16:31 soupdragon what do you mean 20:16:40 why do you care about this stuff 20:16:56 soupdragon dude piss off 20:17:08 oh turns out you're an asshole too 20:17:10 HaskellLove: I think people accept that for a language to be successful it might be free and open-source. 20:17:14 osaunders well i am same name on #haskell so :) 20:17:15 should have expected that I guess 20:18:02 I try not to let the language barrier lead me to think foreign people like HaskellLove are stupid, but I keep getting data which tells me otherwise 20:18:16 osaunders man who da fuck are you why do you bother me 20:18:51 Me? 20:19:31 osaunders does not he worry of big companies stealing? or other language freaks like me ? :) if i let it open source i would not let them touch the core 20:20:05 People don't care. 20:20:17 -!- adam_d has joined. 20:20:28 Right now you only have my word that this is actually a language worthy of anyone's attention. 20:20:51 ok i will get back to work you have anything let me know... take care 20:21:32 -!- HaskellLove has left (?). 20:21:33 Alright. 20:22:44 He's gone. 20:24:40 Is there a channel dedicated to programming language design? 20:25:05 this one :p 20:25:21 OK, nice. 20:25:32 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:25:46 I thought it might just been for discussing existing esoteric languages. But I suppose esoteric languages are all about programming language design anyway. 20:26:34 What interests you soupdragon? 20:27:18 right now not much in this area but I am learning some basics toward quantum computation 20:29:07 Wow. 20:29:41 Do quantum computers exist? 20:29:56 yeah I gather that people have built some small prototypes 20:30:09 but on the otherhand, lots of stuff is a quantum computer 20:30:19 Right. 20:30:19 I thought it might just been for discussing existing esoteric languages. But I suppose esoteric languages are all about programming language design anyway. <-- well yes esolangs 20:30:22 mostly at least 20:30:25 it just seems to be the way the world works 20:30:32 doesn't prevent lots of off topic stuff 20:31:25 Imagine a world where I could use some of my own poo to compute something. 20:31:51 Fecal computing. 20:35:07 So, err... 20:35:37 lol 20:35:44 *awkward silence* 20:36:01 Yeah. I like to "go there" sometimes. 20:40:36 awkward silence indeed 20:41:10 -!- Asztal has joined. 20:41:25 Anyone use J? 20:41:41 I tried it once 20:41:44 a while back I just checked it out 20:41:50 I remember little 20:42:08 it's so cool, I like watching documentaries about APL too 20:43:09 What about K? 20:43:41 Or A+. 20:43:56 I haven't looked at those two. I'm interested in how they compare to J. 20:44:29 iirc ehird likes J at least 20:45:31 J is the successor to APL so I always figured J > APL. 20:46:02 Given they are designed by the same person. 20:59:31 As far as I know, there are no quantum computers in the universe using more than, oh, a dozen qubits. 20:59:49 dozen qubits = 2^12 different states 21:01:02 One qubit = infinitely many states, actually. 21:01:26 dozen qubits = infinitely^12 different states 21:01:57 But I'm quite sure there's a theorem stating that you can't store more than n bits using n qubits, so it doesn't really matter how many states there are. 21:02:29 -!- osaunders has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:03:18 -!- osaunders has joined. 21:15:38 -!- Asztal has quit (Success). 21:17:15 -!- soupdragon has quit ("* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *"). 21:18:08 -!- Asztal has joined. 21:22:44 Sgeo: what is with the esolang logo? 21:30:47 It is lemony fresh 21:32:48 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:39:06 * pikhq attempts to build an SVN snapshot of GCC 22:24:24 what is GCC developed in? 22:24:59 -!- madbrain has joined. 22:25:32 C. 22:26:25 hey 22:26:27 You get 400 memory accesses per scanline (8 bit). Design a computer system. 22:29:34 Atari 2600? 22:32:15 You can do better than that ;; 22:33:06 Like, it can't even play music or show bitmaps 22:33:25 Yes it can. Just not very well. 22:33:36 ah, GCC is in SVN not CVS 22:33:45 Well, it can try yes 22:34:12 You have the ability to use arbitrary sprites, and can change those sprites. 22:34:16 Thus, you can display bitmaps. 22:34:22 Just... Painfully. 22:34:23 * SimonRC goes for food. 22:38:42 -!- ehirdiphone has joined. 22:39:23 the block with HaskellDude in http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.12.20 is the longest epidemic of empty stupidity this channel has seen in a while. 22:39:33 Discuss(t). 22:40:09 Sorry; I mean "hi". :P 22:40:51 -!- coppro has joined. 22:40:52 Not on osaunders' part, mind you. 22:41:30 Anyone involved in something with influences from Smalltalk and J is cool in my book. 22:43:37 So. Howdy. 22:45:07 Dead right now I see. Oh well. Toodles. 22:45:09 -!- ehirdiphone has quit ("Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info"). 22:59:36 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:01:11 I hope oerjan didn't take me as rude :( 23:01:19 no no, just evil, despicable... 23:01:27 or something like that 23:01:42 oerjan: 23:01:53 AnMaster: succinct 23:01:53 way to go with vendor lock in: provide standard DC connector 23:02:01 but don't specify what voltage or anything 23:02:03 just a part number 23:04:12 whatever 23:06:44 what the heck 23:06:56 my vlc icon has a tomteluva 23:07:01 whatever that is in Englsih 23:07:03 English* 23:07:05 oerjan, ^ 23:07:16 I don't quite believe this 23:07:18 hm... 23:07:37 oerjan, do you have vlc installed? 23:07:53 this happens on my desktop and my laptop 23:08:10 not that i know of... 23:09:18 * oerjan has this strange feeling of being used as an ehird/ais523 surrogate, here. that is _not_ going to work, btw. 23:09:35 oerjan, damn 23:10:11 oerjan, and fizzie is gone too 23:10:34 in fact: where the heck is everyone 23:10:37 except possibly for the tomteluva part. at least i understand what it means. but i'm not sure if it has a name in english. (santa cap/hat?) 23:10:48 ohm 23:10:49 hm* 23:11:11 -!- ehirdiphone has joined. 23:11:30 AnMaster: Vlc changes icon for Xmas I believe 23:11:44 oerjan: AnMaster just needs someone to love! 23:12:09 ehirdiphone, (or hate ;P) 23:12:36 You still attach yourself to those you hate upon occasion. 23:12:53 ehirdiphone, depends. I don't hate you. I just dislike you 23:13:45 Yet, you expect me to engage in friendly, or at least neutral, banter with you on whatever random topic you choose, often. 23:13:57 That's not really "dislike". 23:14:33 Well 23:14:44 I'm not criticising 23:15:09 I use this channel as a bit of a mass broadcast mechanism often. 23:16:10 -!- soupdragon has joined. 23:16:37 Dragon; of soup thereof. 23:18:10 it's a dragon for making soup of, obviously. but he should be safe until we find a recipe. 23:18:16 soupdragon: I contend you are neither soup nor a dragon. 23:18:59 I am ehird but not an iPhone; I am therefore infinity% more honest than you. 23:20:50 he's a soupdragon, that's just the fax 23:21:31 Yuk yuk yuk. 23:21:46 Yak yak yak. butter. 23:22:01 Mushroom mushroom. 23:22:21 butter butter 23:22:34 Mushroom butter. 23:22:59 * oerjan gives Rembane some oats 23:23:21 Donkey oaty. 23:23:44 no, not donkey. 23:23:50 Ta ta for a few minutes. 23:24:16 oerjan: Psst—Don Quixote. 23:24:18 -!- ehirdiphone has quit ("Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info"). 23:24:20 hm... 23:24:30 * oerjan learns about "snel hest" 23:24:42 so is this essentially swedish lolhorse? 23:24:55 -!- immibis has joined. 23:24:56 I can't tell how honest my nick is. 23:25:15 uorygl: well i have my doubts you're actually an australian animal 23:25:16 Wait, it's a respelling of "warrigal". So it's... totally 100% honest. 23:25:31 oerjan: om nom nom 23:25:42 This message has been removed by the author. 23:26:12 I'm back. 23:27:24 Is there a channel dedicated to programming language design? 23:27:40 i vaguely recall hearing about one. or maybe that was oses 23:27:56 (#osdev in that case) 23:29:10 Hm. 23:29:51 of course it's been done here, even non-esoteric ones (Gregor's plof comes to mind) 23:31:31 Nice. 23:31:46 -!- FireFly has quit ("Leaving"). 23:31:48 This seems like a cool place I'm going to hang out here for a while. 23:33:36 I've heard some language design discussions on #haskell, but they tend to be quite haskellspecific 23:33:50 Yeah I'm on #haskell too. 23:33:58 I'm learning Haskell because I want to write a language. 23:34:21 Also I don't feel qualified to implement a language without a reasonable grasp of the FP paradigm. 23:36:34 fungot, style 23:36:35 soupdragon: if i am 23:36:48 ^style 23:36:48 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube 23:37:12 fungot, put the blue pyramid ontop of the green cylinder 23:37:13 soupdragon: i admit my ideas might not interest most people use the term " closure" 23:38:03 fungot, feed the bleen sphere to the grue 23:38:03 oerjan: it seems like a big dumbass untill something suddenly clicks, and then adds 1 in front. 23:38:40 fungot: and then it looks like a big dumbass with 1 in front 23:38:41 oerjan: you said the t word!) the template takes care of individual instructions into multi-character code will function how you expect it to 23:38:59 fungot: then then then then 23:39:00 oerjan: ( the acknowledgements, not as a statement on the implementation you're using. you'd have one configuration file, and 23:40:40 fungot: What about Eliza? 23:40:41 Rembane: wait a moment, the only difference is that! people don't even consider its technical merit when they see list.length ( because they know anything about fnord windows at all can be useful for 23:40:59 fungot: I quite agree with that. But what about Eliza? 23:41:00 Rembane: and i just like for things to happen.' 23:41:22 What is this madness? 23:41:24 fungot: I think you're quite right when it comes to Eliza. 23:41:25 Rembane: sexps are enough to make it much easier 23:41:31 fungot used to be with Eliza but they had a nasty breakup 23:41:32 oerjan: does that interpreter extend to the language 23:41:42 fungot: Are you Sparta? 23:41:42 Rembane: if 2004. 23:41:50 fungot: Not 300? 23:41:50 Rembane: even if our brain works slower, but still 23:41:54 :D 23:41:59 ^source 23:41:59 http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 23:42:04 fungot: Not enough muscles eh? 23:42:04 Rembane: gimp is a bitch to read 23:42:08 ^^ 23:42:08 osaunders: ^ that 23:42:25 osaunders: I'd like to note that Haskell is probably the nicest language to implement a language in. 23:42:31 Hooray, Parsec. 23:42:36 fungot: what is the nicest language to implement a language in? 23:42:37 immibis: no special commands?) 23:42:49 fungot, it shouldn't have special commands? 23:42:50 immibis: but that's not godwin is it? :) ( i'm attracted to these types of problems) 23:42:54 pikhq: Oh yes, people on #haskell like to make that known. 23:42:56 pikhq: lightyears ahead of the competition 23:43:04 oerjan: Indeed. 23:43:15 An IRC bot built in Brainfuck?! 23:43:16 Parsec *alone* makes it much nicer. 23:43:24 Rembane: no, befunge 23:43:24 Rembane: No, built in Befunge. 23:43:26 funogot seems more comprehensible than last time i tried talking to it 23:43:47 oerjan, pikhq: Oh. Thanks. 23:44:05 What about Parrot and building languages? 23:45:04 Parrot is just something for your compiler to target. 23:45:22 Can be used with any language, really. 23:45:23 (some more easily than others, mind) 23:45:39 * oerjan wonders if pikhq noticed the pun 23:47:30 I'm mixing things up... 23:47:56 oerjan I thought it was the official slogan 23:50:38 Befunge looks pretty awesome. 23:51:51 soupdragon: it is? well it could be 23:52:07 I don't know why I thought this 23:52:36 darn you may be right 23:52:44 google shows up some hits 23:54:06 hey, not just haskell either: http://www.theparsecgroup.com/ (warning: hype) 23:54:27 hahaha 23:54:43 osaunders: funge98 may very well be the most useful esoteric language, with all its extensions 23:55:05 (aka fingerprints) 23:55:14 What about J? 23:55:21 J isn't an esolang 23:55:28 OK. 23:55:35 it just looks like one :D 23:56:33 Who writes these esolangs? Students? 23:58:47 actually it doesn't look like it is the official slogan for the parsec library. but it's been thought of. 23:59:27 Has anyone written anything in Funge98 here? 23:59:49 fizzie wrote fungot but he's not here at the moment 23:59:50 oerjan: transactions are publications that stand in their own module