< 1261094431 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1261094531 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes < 1261094755 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You still here? < 1261094860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well anyway, you probably also got the message from MKRY so could you forward it to me, I think thunderbird ate it as I was drag-and-dropping it < 1261094864 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1261097011 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuy_qw@bas2-toronto47-1242437565.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1261098136 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *" < 1261099759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1261099826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's D&D 350, don't forget the new alternative version < 1261099873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for quicker access without spoiling, the previous one was http://www.darthsanddroids.net/sandalsandspartans/0050.html) < 1261099952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that page has also changed, as usual when a new one arrives) < 1261100645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what < 1261100650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are _two_? < 1261100788 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it seems like this is true: < 1261100802 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practice turns something overwhelming into something not overwhelming. It does not turn something tedious into something not tedious. < 1261100819 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic is tedious. How can we make it overwhelming instead so that we can practice until it's neither? < 1261103019 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261103843 0 :jpc1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1261106684 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1261106977 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1261107073 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1261107951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1261108240 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1261108447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1261108996 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1261109179 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1261113907 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261114069 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1261114126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1261114841 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"goshdarnit." < 1261115856 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1261115890 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1261117101 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1261117108 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ehirderic < 1261117421 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1261117468 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1261117476 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261117788 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1261118034 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261119283 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1261119307 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1261119674 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261121495 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1261122231 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261123199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1261123200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1261124599 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1261124712 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1261124865 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1261125570 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1261125611 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261125708 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]" < 1261126751 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" < 1261127948 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-164-32-147.range86-164.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1261130126 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261131518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Well anyway, you probably also got the message from MKRY so could you forward it to me, I think thunderbird ate it as I was drag-and-dropping it <-- *checks mail* < 1261131578 0 :anmaster_l!n=AnMaster@d83-177-15-247.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1261132028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: it's D&D 350, don't forget the new alternative version <-- ?? < 1261132051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (for quicker access without spoiling, the previous one was http://www.darthsanddroids.net/sandalsandspartans/0050.html) <-- ooh they updated it again. < 1261134060 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1261134105 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1261134352 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did ya get it? < 1261134368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm yes < 1261134388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, *looks for Deewiant email* < 1261134403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it is in the header duh < 1261134425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, can you handle PGP/MIME? < 1261134438 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1261134441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1261134476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1261134485 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers < 1261134564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, got it? < 1261134567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1261134574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this means mirroring his site I guess < 1261134578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the fingerprint specs < 1261134588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least a local copy < 1261134635 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anybody'll be interested in actually "taking over" and continuing work on it, but yeah, mirroring it can certainly be done < 1261134681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, at least if it goes away it will be useful to have the fingerprint specs around < 1261134688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what does he mean not being around much longer < 1261134691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, cancer? < 1261134696 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I know? < 1261134702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He certainly suggests he's dying < 1261134718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, we all are. At some point < 1261134737 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's suggesting "now" not "at some point" < 1261134775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, could be "out of job so can't pay internet bills" or such < 1261134812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me and I don't really care < 1261134814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it would be a good idea to send a mail saying that one feels sorry for him or something < 1261134816 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask him if you're interested < 1261134824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1261134875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget --mirror http://www.rcfunge98.com/ < 1261134877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was quick < 1261134895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 765K heh < 1261135283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Speaking of photography efforts, here's the view from the window next to my office, with the N900 camera in the full-auto mode (it's not like it has very many settings anyway, though I certainly could've fixed the white balance at least) and hugin+enfuse with absolutely no tweaking (had to use it with X11 forwarding over ADSL, not such a pleasant experience): http://zem.fi/~fis/tkk2.jpg < 1261135314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, tried firefox with X11 forwarding over ADSL? < 1261135315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1261135320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, many times. < 1261135329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not pleasant either < 1261135358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, is that image HDR you said? < 1261135416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with just enblending them together (with the default exposure optimization) I got http://zem.fi/~fis/tkk.jpg -- doing the fused-and-blended option results in the a-lot-better tkk2.jpg. < 1261135469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant probably recognizes the place, too. < 1261135482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye < 1261135676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://zem.fi/~fis/tkk.jpg looks like the snow is contaminated with neon lights or something < 1261135692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amongst other issues < 1261135806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, there *is* quite a large variance in the lightness levels of the sky/sunshine parts and the shadowed-by-the-building ground. < 1261135828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes indeed, and 8 bits isn't enough to represent this properly < 1261135849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which is why the trees look like they do in ttk.jph < 1261135850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jpg* < 1261135867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, posturising (sp?) < 1261135910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phone has a fixed-aperture f/2.8 lens and you can't set the shutter speed manually. (Well, you *can* in a technical sense, it's certainly programmable, but not in the camera application.) The "exposure" setting dialog just lets you add a -2 .. +2EV offset to whatever the automatics suggest. < 1261135929 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed aperature? < 1261135932 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck < 1261135987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a *phone*, not a camera. Most phones have a fixed-aperture lens. Though there are some exceptions. (The N86, or so I hear. And presumably those which stick 8- or 10-meggopixel sensors in there.) < 1261136036 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the shutter speed in source images varies from 1/1000 to 1/100 seconds. < 1261136050 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 megapixels isn't everything < 1261136066 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly suspect they will get worse images than my 9 megapixel minolta < 1261136109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but one would hope that they pay attention to other parts of the camera too, if they bother increasing the resolution. (Admittedly it might also be just mostly a marketing trick.) < 1261136123 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1261136164 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, shutter speed for images I took is reported in exif as 6, 8, 15 < 1261136213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's in milliseconds, but I'm not sure. The ExposureTime field is in seconds, if your camera adds that. < 1261136233 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, exposure time is 6, 8, 15 < 1261136236 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same in other words < 1261136240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1261136259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it's either unstandardized, or your viewer converts them to the same units. < 1261136265 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was using exiftool < 1261136266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or were those the long-exposure shots? < 1261136304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using "exiv2 -p v print" because they haven't installed exiftool on these work-Ubuntus. < 1261136310 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? well I used "automatic bracketing" + manual setting to 8 seconds (forgot what I set the aperture to) < 1261136342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's directly converted in seconds then. < 1261136391 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm with exiv2 I get these strange lines: < 1261136395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PICT1260.tif 0x829a Photo ExposureTime Rational 1 80/10 < 1261136401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PICT1261.tif 0x829a Photo ExposureTime Rational 1 60/10 < 1261136404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PICT1262.tif 0x829a Photo ExposureTime Rational 1 150/10 < 1261136420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess it is; seen with exiftool, those N900 images also show the same units for "Shutter Speed" and "Exposure Time". < 1261136422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no shutter thing there when I grep < 1261136444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Image metadata is a strange, unstandardized and messy world. < 1261136457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, exiftool *did* report shutter speed < 1261136479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be deducing it from the Exposure Time field, because they're the same. < 1261136480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, of course it is possible ufraw messed it up somehow < 1261136509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use "exiftool -e" to make it report only things it finds from the image. < 1261136525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the "composite" values it knows how to compute from multiple sources. < 1261136549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop, not in the *.thm or *.mrw files either (one is a tiny jpeg preview the other the raw file, no idea why the camerate generates those *.thm files) < 1261136580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that ExposureTime tag should (if I have understood it right) be in seconds always; 80/10 = 8 seconds sounds reasonable. < 1261136580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no shutter speed then < 1261136608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so how does that store 1/1000 or such? < 1261136618 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably as 1/1000. < 1261136629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max Aperture Value : 3.5 < 1261136630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max Aperture : inf < 1261136633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that is interesting < 1261136637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the inf there mean < 1261136660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, is it stored as a fraction rather than a float? < 1261136663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1261136675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1261136682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A binary float wouldn't represent most of the available speeds exactly anyway. < 1261136692 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Rational" there is the field type. < 1261136694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ exiftool -e PICT1260.tif | wc -l < 1261136695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 < 1261136696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a lot < 1261136707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the base image (middle of bracketing) < 1261136712 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1261136730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without -e I get 109 lines instead < 1261136734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This N900 file also has "Exposure Time" of 1/500 and a strange "Shutter Speed Value" of 1/256. < 1261136748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the .MRW I get 101 lines with -e < 1261136751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 114 without < 1261136756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ufraw dropped something < 1261136799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what exiftool reports as "Shutter Speed Value: 1/256", exiv2 instead reports as ShutterSpeedValue of type SRational (signed fraction?) of 8/1, so... < 1261136820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://sprunge.us/HYQP?diff < 1261136828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from < 1261136830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff -Naur <(exiftool -e PICT1260.MRW | sort -n) <(exiftool -e PICT1260.tif | sort -n) < 1261136914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the changes make sense (Bayer Pattern doesn't make much sense except for the raw image), but it's a bit strange that Bracket Step goes from 2/3 EV to "Unknown (4266731520)". < 1261136929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well so does color mode < 1261136932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few other things < 1261136937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is "Bayer Pattern" btw? < 1261136953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pixel arrangement on the sensor. < 1261136955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1261136970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and the brightness thing too < 1261136988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a rectangular grid, usually they put for each 2x2 square R and B on the corners, and two Gs on the cross-diagonal, so to say. < 1261137008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, why more green? < 1261137029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had something to do with the luminosity of it, but I don't remember the details. < 1261137040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some cameras add a fourth-color sensor there. Red-green-blue-"emerald" was I think some marketing term. < 1261137050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh see there: exif byte order changed < 1261137055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from big endian to little endian < 1261137057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGBE_filter < 1261137063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it failed to byteswap some stuff < 1261137074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if that would result in sensible values < 1261137096 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible it didn't byteswap values it didn't understand. < 1261137121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm pretty sure they call that fourth color "emerald" instead of "cyan" because it sounds a lot more blingy. < 1261137158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"twice as many green elements as red or blue to mimic the human eye's greater resolving power with green light[citation needed]" < 1261137175 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1261137245 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1261137298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 -Minolta Time : 22:39:39 < 1261137298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :121 +Minolta Time : 52224:42:00 < 1261137339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do I dump the raw integer value for a given exif tag? < 1261137466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and their data types < 1261137506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exiv2 -p h print file.jpg" might work. < 1261137516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hexdumps the tag data values under the normal output. < 1261137535 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to tease that info out from exiftool, if it's even possible. < 1261137606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that skips some tags < 1261137949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah some of those values are in "---- MakerNotes ----" when you use -g to exiftool < 1261137958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which exiv2 doesn't seem to understand < 1261137962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus ignores < 1261137981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PICT1258.MRW 0x927c Photo MakerNote Undefined 38270 (Binary value suppressed) < 1261137988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the messed up values seems to be there < 1261138030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay, Well, those are even more nonstandard. < 1261138042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or at least the majority of the messed up values < 1261138082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it failed to byteswap it hm < 1261138108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be quite much to ask, to be able to byteswap all the possible MakerNotes structures. < 1261138144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exiftool can't read the N900 MakerNote tag at all. "Warning: [minor] Unrecognized MakerNotes" < 1261138152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it *could* keep the byte order < 1261138154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be easier < 1261138163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use whatever the file already had < 1261138169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if tiff allows big endian exif < 1261138300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N900 MakerNote is exactly 4 kilobytes long, and seems (from a cursory look-through) completely random, except for some bias for smallish byte values in the first 16 bytes or so. I wonder what they've put there. < 1261138468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1261138478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, google? < 1261138495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maker Note contains some information about the parameters but it is encrypted and encoded and currently algorithm for decoding it is not public." < 1261138516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From the Maemo forums.) < 1261138833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That would be quite much to ask, to be able to byteswap all the possible MakerNotes structures. <-- considering that it needs to understand the specific raw format already to be able to convert it... < 1261138986 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, there is that. Still, some more extra work. But not byte-swapping the tags at all sounds sensible; then it's the reader's problem to understand it. < 1261139074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can fix it with exiftool though < 1261139083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exiftool -tagsfromfile PICT1260.MRW '-makernotes:all' PICT1260.tif < 1261139084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1261139845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw in http://zem.fi/~fis/tkk2.jpg there is something strange going on in the upper part < 1261139851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken border < 1261139866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I suspect you need more control points there < 1261139904 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1261139906 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1261140182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What's going on is probably just parallax movement caused by the phone moving around, and I'm not quite sure it's perfectly fixable without getting the actual meaningful content out of line a bit. Maybe if I added some lenses in hugin so that it could optimize per-image x- and y- displacements, but I doubt I'd bother. Certainly not with the X-forwarding. < 1261140219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I managed to fix up parallax by adding more control points where it was noticable < 1261140233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was on some landscape picture from Lappland < 1261140239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I showed it to you < 1261140247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find the file atm < 1261140250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to try manual control point editing with this setup, anyway. Maybe at home. < 1261140261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did you add control points then? < 1261140286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autopano-sift-C or whatever it's called, I forget exactly. < 1261140293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. the auto adding never worked well for me < 1261140315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, birds in sky being selected and as they moved between the pictures: result was disaster < 1261140329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that always happened to me < 1261140360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It creates quite many of messed-up control points, but on average most of them tend to be good. At least when there's not *that* much moving stuff. < 1261140380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well it tends to be easy to add manual good ones in my experience < 1261140405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not easy if window-redrawing when you click on anything takes a minute or two. < 1261140409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and once you have three or so it manages to auto suggest the correct placement of more manual ones quite well < 1261140430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sure, I did manual control point placement for those vacation photo panoramas too. < 1261140473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you often seem to need to add exactly one horizontal and one vertical line to get a plausible orientation on the output image < 1261140490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I had to on this HDR image < 1261140496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they weren't really much off < 1261140513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc hugin calculated that on average the difference between them was 1-2 pixels < 1261140530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tkk2.jpg is a bit tilted. < 1261140542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it's fish-eye too, no? < 1261140596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also vertical/horizontal is added by selecting same picture for left/right and then adding a pair of point that are not in the same place but rather along the same vertical or horizontal line < 1261140606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1261140610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1261140611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah* < 1261140833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw krita seems to manage 16 bits per channel < 1261140954 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-1-142.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1261141052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done the horizontal/vertical-line trickery for perspective-correcting some "took a picture of a floor mosaic at an oblique angle" pictures; there's a tutorial about it. < 1261141167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1261141202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you just use one vertical and one horizontal line it seems to result in rotational fix only, rather than perspective correction as well < 1261141216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I guess if they are at a 90 degree angle to each other < 1261141245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact a single vertical line was enough in that photo from yesterday < 1261141265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along the pole (or whatever it is called) of the central street light < 1261141323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so; I added multiple in the perspective-correction ones. < 1261141411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/g2/d/7368-2/p1030278.jpg -> http://zem.fi/g2/d/7733-2/mosaic-2-perspective.jpg < 1261141527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1261141537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looks worse at the top though < 1261141558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possibly taking one from the opposite direction and stitching them together would have helped < 1261141565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure even hugin can handle that though < 1261141588 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but you couldn't go there. The picture was taken through the bars of a steel gate. < 1261141594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1261141609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't there asphalt at the other end? < 1261141635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possibly you could have gone around? < 1261141639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe not) < 1261141659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like asphalt, but I really don't think it's that. It's from Pompeii. < 1261141665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1261141680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very low res pic that original < 1261141685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you scaled it down afterwards < 1261141686 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a chance we can get back on esolangous topics? < 1261141689 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what happened to fungot? < 1261141704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah where is fungot? < 1261141713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, esoteric photos? < 1261141733 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1261141737 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric languages < 1261141742 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the fact i am concepting one < 1261141749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe one could write a language based on HDR merging images < 1261141754 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1261141770 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like < 1261141779 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes 3 numbers < 1261141793 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and combines them < 1261141794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You'll be wanting http://zem.fi/g2/d/7367-1/p1030278.jpg and http://zem.fi/g2/d/7732-1/mosaic-2-perspective.jpg for the unscaled images; I was just thinking of my poor ADSL line there. :p < 1261141798 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in HDRish ways < 1261141806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, 3 or more < 1261141811 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh yeah < 1261141817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2 would work < 1261141831 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1261141848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, I'm not sure how to make this an interesting esolang though < 1261141861 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't be turing complete i think < 1261141863 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would it be < 1261141869 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can increase a number by 1 < 1261141871 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sure < 1261141874 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1261141905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, well I can't think of a way to do computation in it < 1261141916 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make an esolang related to paper cards < 1261141922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh idea (related: panorama) < 1261141922 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably one that runs with hardware < 1261141933 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1261141938 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can use actual paper tape with it < 1261141939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, think of a 2D language stored in image < 1261141941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several < 1261141946 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet! < 1261141953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then store it as one of those weird panorma projections < 1261141957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unable to connect" says fungot. I guess orwell.freenode.net is down. < 1261141965 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDoS, hello < 1261141968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't you use the round robin? < 1261141974 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on vere < 1261141976 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verne* < 1261141987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I want a geographical neighbour, not some random round-robin server. < 1261142001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, use equvirectangual(sp?) projection < 1261142005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make it wrap around < 1261142013 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1261142021 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah im not making a hdr language < 1261142030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, this was panorama < 1261142034 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or panorama < 1261142034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Besides, the round-robin is DNS-based, and fungot only accepts IP numbers. (Since I was trying to get by with just SOCK.) < 1261142035 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not images < 1261142041 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Verne? < 1261142042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1261142052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so change the file to use another server < 1261142077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it'll be back. But I guess I could do a temporary change. < 1261142089 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, i wanted to do this < 1261142094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, perspective correction makes the image lose some of the sharpness sadly < 1261142098 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[mempointer] <- [some sort of calculation] < 1261142099 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1261142102 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 <- +1 < 1261142104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's unavoidable of course < 1261142109 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would add 1 to mempointer 0 < 1261142123 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also do < 1261142129 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[mempointer] -> [mempointer/special] < 1261142132 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1261142133 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -> IP < 1261142135 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1261142136 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -> 1 < 1261142142 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my idea < 1261142144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think allowing tilting ccd in the camera directly (relative the lens) would allow some sharp perspective correction < 1261142145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1261142161 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good < 1261142175 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to output you can do < 1261142177 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -> stdout < 1261142179 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -> stderr < 1261142189 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to input there's "0 <- stdin" < 1261142196 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1261142235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess it should be possible, yes. Not sure if the lens imperfections get worse that way, though. Maybe not by much. < 1261142263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, why not prove if http://esolangs.org/wiki/Bipoint is equivalent of a Moore automaton with input and output alphabet {0,1} and that can only output one symbol at a time? < 1261142267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is < 1261142277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some further restrictions on the langauge: < 1261142291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all state except the starting state *must* produce output < 1261142302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the start state *can't* produce output < 1261142321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure if they matter for computational class < 1261142324 0 :omg!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1261142328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, my firewall rules from the fungot server prohibit IRC connections in general, except to that one freenode server. (You can never be too careful!) < 1261142335 0 :omg!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261142341 0 :asiekierka2!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1261142352 0 :asiekierka2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here < 1261142355 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1261142368 0 :asiekierka2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1261142373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would you say this looks like a painting or a photo? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Hdr-Ithacafalls2.jpg < 1261142402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, did you see what I said above about Bipoint? < 1261142412 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the start state *can't* produce output - up to this < 1261142421 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't get what a Moore automation is < 1261142421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, ah there was one more line: < 1261142423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I'm not sure if they matter for computational class < 1261142426 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1261142431 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1261142433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, a Moore automaton is one class of a FSM < 1261142442 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPUTATIONAL CLASS means COMPUTING < 1261142452 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need output or input to COMPUTE < 1261142452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_machine < 1261142470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, well in fact you do here, since you only have a state, no other memory < 1261142491 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka you don't? < 1261142499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It looks unreal, at the very least. But funky. < 1261142519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, and the state changes exactly once per input symbokl < 1261142521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbol* < 1261142531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, I think asiekierka is thinking of brainfuck style IO. < 1261142536 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1261142538 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was < 1261142539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the IO is indeed not needed < 1261142550 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not the guy to prove stuff < 1261142550 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1261142552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the IO is rather different for a state machine < 1261142630 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i am unable to do stuff like this < 1261142663 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am still wondering < 1261142668 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was any esolang done with TTL chips < 1261142670 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or stuff like it < 1261142700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, I can't see why you couldn't implement it with TTL < 1261142709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :selecting a suitable one < 1261142715 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainf**k? < 1261142723 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that could go < 1261142727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert on TTL < 1261142729 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1261142734 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's chips that do various simple stuff < 1261142740 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :74xx's < 1261142743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably go for a simpler state machine < 1261142806 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1261142807 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bipoit? < 1261142809 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bipoint* < 1261142823 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1261142829 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that guy who made a machine with GFX < 1261142829 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA < 1261142832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. As I said: no expert on TTL or any other such hardware < 1261142833 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 6502-inspired CPU < 1261142838 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY with TTL's < 1261142856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read about that yes < 1261142861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winding wires? < 1261142892 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1261142896 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was BMOW < 1261142898 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Mess O' Wires < 1261142910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a link to it? < 1261142931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, winding wires around metal rods, rather than soldering < 1261142933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I meant < 1261142936 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1261142938 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1261142940 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dun liek soldering < 1261142943 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/about/ < 1261143004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, ah I was thinking about http://www.homebrewcpu.com/ < 1261143115 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1261143202 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1261143236 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1261143251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1261143277 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1261143690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1261143715 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1261143894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho-hum, exported a slide containing a spreadsheet object, from an OpenOffice Impress presentation, as a PDF file. The labels are all right, but I have a small suspicion there's something wrong with the numbers: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/numb3rs.png < 1261143982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still the correct numbers, but for some reason the digits have changed to the arabic-indic ones. < 1261144385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1261144389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's a very strange error < 1261144391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, tell me if you find the cause < 1261144524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the font used in the tables from Liberation Sans (which was the default) to Bitstream Vera Sans, and the problem disappeared. Who knows. < 1261144585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slide is supposed to be merged as a part of a real MS-PowerPoint presentation, I'm not very confident the OLE-embedded spreadsheet object will survive that. I sent it as .odp, .ppt and .pdf in the hopes that at least one of them is usable. < 1261144676 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1261147163 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *" < 1261149005 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1261149746 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1261151104 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-88-116.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1261151891 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261152387 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1261152391 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm planning out a language < 1261152397 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... i'm not sure if i'm doing it good < 1261152406 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolang is planned out a lot < 1261152437 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a REAL esolang < 1261152476 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1261152480 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1261152483 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make a long story short < 1261152492 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 2 general kinds of commands < 1261152504 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[mempointer] <- [math operation, like "+1" or "*42"] < 1261152511 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[mempointer] -> [mempointer/special] < 1261152514 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jus sounds like assembly < 1261152517 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not eso at all is it? < 1261152523 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1261152524 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1261152529 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is something like < 1261152532 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0 <- +3" < 1261152533 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembly < 1261152540 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookrs like it to me < 1261152546 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembly is this < 1261152551 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MOV 0, 0+3" < 1261152558 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I see the difference < 1261152561 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1261152564 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do input/output < 1261152565 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write MOV instead of <- < 1261152573 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do < 1261152579 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0 <- stdin" < 1261152580 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1261152583 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0 -> stdout" < 1261152586 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 being the memory address < 1261152597 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to access memory inside of a math operation, you have to use $, as in "$0" < 1261152613 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions are lowercase letters < 1261152615 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to define a function you do < 1261152642 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[function name] <- [start line,end line,params] < 1261152663 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, a function which starts on line 3 and ends on line 5 inclusive, with 1 param you do < 1261152669 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a <- [3,5,1] < 1261152693 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the function, values @A to @Z are params or temp values < 1261152701 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they return 0 < 1261152713 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To jump you need to make an uppercase JUMP DESCRIPTOR < 1261152718 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A <- +1 < 1261152730 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this defines a jump descriptor "A" which jumps to the next line if called < 1261152740 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To call it, you do < 1261152760 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -> A(>x|=x|<>x|)/equal to(=)/inequal to(<>)/less than(<) x, it jumps to where jump descriptor A points < 1261152799 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :al stands for always, ne stands for never < 1261152808 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything else you need? < 1261152871 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example to make a loop that decreases cell 0 until it's zero, you do < 1261152876 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A <- +1 < 1261152879 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 <- -1 < 1261152883 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -> A(>0) < 1261152898 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you could just do "0 <- $0", but... yeah. < 1261153088 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster? Anyone? < 1261153346 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like assembly < 1261153447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to asm in some aspects yes, different notation though < 1261154020 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what aspects < 1261154021 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1261154027 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1261154034 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasted 30 minutes designing that < 1261154331 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-88-116.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1261154340 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1261154349 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1261154621 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not enough time < 1261155086 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-172-4-177.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1261155568 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Pong timeout: 180 seconds" < 1261155962 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1261159561 0 :|MigoMipo|!n=MigoMipo@84-217-1-142.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1261159587 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1261159609 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1261159849 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1261160458 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1261160493 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1261160936 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1261160983 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1261161444 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-40-243.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1261161557 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1261162351 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261162355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1261162427 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1261162477 0 :tt!n=theotime@AMontsouris-553-1-5-190.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1261162483 0 :tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1261162830 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1261164810 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1261167060 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-145-161.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1261170491 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1261171386 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1261173895 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1261173931 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1261173995 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1261174651 0 :anmaster_l!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1261175371 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1261175409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, trying yet another usage for hugin: noise reduction. < 1261175425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while still keeping image sharp < 1261175689 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1261175689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1261175690 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1261175690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1261175690 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1261175690 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1261175717 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1261175727 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1261175762 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new favorite quote: "Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." < 1261175790 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not nice < 1261175816 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :richard dawkins .. fail < 1261175839 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1261175912 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1261175949 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1261175975 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that wasn't richard dawkins?? < 1261176050 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1261176059 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was dawkins quoting an editor from new scientist < 1261176086 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, who the fuck are you < 1261176088 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtfo :| < 1261176103 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : augur!*@* added to ignore list. < 1261176224 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wut < 1261176227 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##physics? < 1261176235 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :word < 1261176261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, soupdragon == fax < 1261176265 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who < 1261176274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, he has been in here a bit < 1261176280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1261176448 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, he seems to be one of the annoying people who not only use ignore functions but loudly announce it too < 1261176451 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is p. awful < 1261176499 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : p. ? < 1261176513 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty < 1261176521 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like q. quite and v. very < 1261176801 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1261176842 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing < 1261176849 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1261176855 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : p. ? < 1261176861 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tell him i answered already, pthing < 1261176867 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur already explained < 1261176871 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1261176897 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, why are you making such a big deal out of this < 1261176897 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1261176901 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of what < 1261176902 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA < 1261176915 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY SO SRIUS < 1261176919 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, I only asked that to make it obvious that it's you making a big deal out of this -- because I already know why < 1261176935 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good < 1261176940 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long as everything's clear < 1261176975 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEAR LIKE AN ALDEBEREN HOUND < 1261176984 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : on the other hand, he seems to be one of the annoying people who not only use ignore functions but loudly announce it too ← indeed < 1261177013 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l, < 1261177015 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pthing it's not like I made a big deal of it - I just told him because I wanted him to get that he was being an asshole and seems mean to let him talk and talk to me if I am not listening < 1261177015 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : big enough of a deal to send a PM! < 1261177015 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pthing also you're saying this like it's something I've done before... but don't think I have? < 1261177015 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you brought it up again like it bothered you < 1261177017 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ffff < 1261177019 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you just said nothing I don't think I would have either < 1261177029 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad this isn't a big deal < 1261177038 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l, since you seem to care about it so much too -- I would have just stopped talking about it if you lot were goading me about it again and again < 1261177044 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ffs. calm down everyone < 1261177055 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to get involved in this fight < 1261177070 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l, then why are you going "← indeed"? < 1261177080 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l, seems to me like you /are/ < 1261177085 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics < 1261177091 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are forbidden by the geneva convention < 1261177093 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l, the alternative would have been not say anything < 1261177101 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, err are // around forbidden? That is what I saw? < 1261177107 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems kinda blatantly obvious to me < 1261177148 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, You are confusing two things 1) I agreed with the comment I responded with "indeed" to. 2) I was not about to get involved in the "big deal" discussion. < 1261177869 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1261177893 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quitter!" < 1261178471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay networking over firewire is fun < 1261180244 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"