< 1260577305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 ISIHAC < 1260577378 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: still here? < 1260577684 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260577852 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1260578724 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-88-95.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1260579150 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"goshdarnit." < 1260579429 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260580372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, now I am < 1260580383 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Partway throu < 1260580389 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*through Unseen Academicals now < 1260580390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, when you said that however I was away getting a haircut < 1260580396 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1260580424 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :book is thoroughly awesome < 1260580425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ISIHAC? < 1260580435 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm Sorry I Haven't A CLue < 1260580449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to locate context of that
< 1260580458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails to do so
< 1260580479 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_Sorry_I_Haven%27t_a_Clue < 1260580490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, as in "why did you mentioned it" < 1260580500 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because I was listening to it < 1260580503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260580523 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was right around when "Milk, milk, lemonade" was concluded with "Triple vodka, you get laid." < 1260580525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, conclusion: you live in UK? < 1260580530 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: negatory < 1260580538 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this neat thing called the Internet < 1260580540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, web radio? < 1260580547 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeap < 1260580557 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... was I going for 'yep' or 'yeah' there? < 1260580638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think I have an answer to that? < 1260580654 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, I'm not 100% on what the big change in UA to which you were referring is < 1260580665 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I have a guess, and it involves a capitalized pronoun < 1260580682 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my runner-up involves an empty chair < 1260580683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, huh? It should be clear really early on < 1260580689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes empty chairs < 1260580690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1260580704 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... it's a change, but it didn't seem earth-shattering to me < 1260580715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1260580718 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, we got Doctor Hix. < 1260580726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, he showed up in an earlier book < 1260580729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making Money iirc? < 1260580740 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but he wasn't nearly as important < 1260580750 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your unappreciated comments are appreciated." < 1260580759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1260580810 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not like the DoPMC is new... I think it was referenced at least as far back as... uh... whichever one they had to talk to the dead guy in < 1260580826 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember what book that was
< 1260580911 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guards! Guards!, maybe? < 1260580939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, huh? Which dead guy? < 1260580948 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an old wizard < 1260580953 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's kept in a bottle, IIRC < 1260580958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, wasn't that making money? < 1260580959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1260580977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about golems < 1260580982 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, possibly < 1260580993 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so though, because I'd probably remember it better if it was a recent one < 1260581024 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... according to the wiki, it was only Making Money. Huh. < 1260581745 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260581907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1260582190 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260583682 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260588449 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "fizzien" would be the Finnish genetive case; the same as English "fizzie's" would be. < 1260588488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1260588518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzien toisiaan villisti < 1260588560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what does that mean? < 1260588566 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260588574 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260588576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzing each other like crazy < 1260588594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1260589390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so it could also be some other cases; like the active instructive second infinitive of a verb ("by means of" / "while in the act of" -- like fi:juosta = to run, fi:liikkua = to move, fi:"liikkua juosten" => "to move by running"), instead of the genetive case of a noun. That was just what I judged most likely. < 1260589522 0 :rodgort`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1260589532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just the accusative of the noun "fizzie"; "I bought a fizzie" => "ostin fizzien". < 1260589532 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260589701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should disconnect that thing, it'll drop when I get off the wlan soon anyway. < 1260589851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1260589920 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-252.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260589925 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I doubt it would seamlessly transition from my private wlan to 3G, given that the IP changes and all. < 1260590074 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"off you go" < 1260592693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the guy next to me in the train has a N900 too. :p < 1260592710 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/next/opposite/ < 1260592832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, should get off the train too and not just play with the toy. -> < 1260593371 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260594757 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1260597678 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260598017 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260599439 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260599636 0 :Fuco!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260600205 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1260600246 0 :OxE6!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1260600619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: iwc < 1260600946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi there. I was away. Thus I didn't notice you join < 1260600967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, remind me which theme it was? < 1260600974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :espionage < 1260600977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1260601808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm this issue makes no sense < 1260601827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sense makes no issue < 1260601830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either gcc is mishanding volatile or I'm doing something incorrect. < 1260601835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects the latter
< 1260604286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1260604799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1260604800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1260605879 0 :Fuco!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260605879 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260606104 0 :Fuco!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260606104 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1260606105 0 :`Fuco``!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260606145 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded < 1260606200 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1260606561 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260606614 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260606614 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260606614 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260606614 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260606614 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260606676 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1260606790 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260606836 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1260606976 0 :Fuco!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260606985 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260607531 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1260607531 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260607531 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260608170 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1260609091 0 :|MigoMipo|!n=MigoMipo@84-217-11-251.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260609132 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1260609149 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1260609417 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-99-182.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260609774 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1260609775 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1260610285 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not that this is so interesting, but I put some pictures taken with the new phone into http://zem.fi/g2/v/Mobile/20091212/ -- it's not too shabby, but the full-size images show pretty clearly that it is definitely not a real camera. < 1260610373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The automatic image-sharing/upload tools are nice, though. Except that I forgot to change the default, and therefore it ripped out the GPS location exif tags from those images. Oh well.) < 1260610391 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads about Finnish.
< 1260610408 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good ol' suomi. < 1260610444 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a Uralic language. < 1260610671 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads about Dutch instead.
< 1260610731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this what they call a diss? < 1260610781 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't tell you. < 1260610818 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260610823 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as you're reading about germanic languages, just read about English. < 1260610942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that gallery is quite broken < 1260610953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the images on the main page are stretched < 1260610967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it seems so < 1260610990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it looks like they are slightly stretched and somewhat cropped < 1260611318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Try reloading. < 1260611333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It seems to get confused generating the rescaled images sometimes. They looked just fine when I browsed through it. < 1260611517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, definitely cropped now < 1260611524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fit in a square < 1260611528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show a screenshot? < 1260611532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, that they are. < 1260611541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it's supposed to do. < 1260611553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for the thumbnails, that is. < 1260611640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :batch command experienced an execution error < 1260611646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how very helpful of gimp < 1260612064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, we visited the cafe on that there island, and it was about closing time, and there was beginning some sort of private event; when going out, I sneaked a peek through the door, and someone had set up a projector, and on the first slide of the PowerPoint (or some-such) presentation the title was "42" and the subtitle was "The Answer to Life, the Universe and Everything". < 1260612077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made me very curious as to what sort of an event it was. < 1260612101 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1260612104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also present a Finnish sort-of celebrity you probably don't know. < 1260612134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uunisaari, the place those photos I linked to (about 20 comments ago) were taken. < 1260612764 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260613352 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1260613369 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but I already know a lot about English. < 1260613458 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1260613502 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Declension: -s. Conjugation: -s -ing -ed. < 1260613556 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260613672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, learn Swedish maybe? < 1260613714 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout Yola. < 1260613735 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I considered Swedish once. < 1260613740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, and? < 1260613763 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he concluded that he's not a pirate yargh. < 1260613764 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1260613816 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't attempted to learn it. < 1260613830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I don't get the joek < 1260613832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke* < 1260613839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that is because I'm Swedish. < 1260613843 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a lot of y-like vowels. < 1260613857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, is that y like in English y? < 1260613865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so: "huh?" < 1260613891 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by y, I mean [y], like in the Swedish word "syl". < 1260613914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, What other vowels would be similar in your opinion? < 1260613978 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ø], like "nöt", and [ʏ], like "syll". < 1260613987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ö and y are very different < 1260613995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syll and syl yes < 1260613998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are similar < 1260614003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ö is very very very different < 1260614031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, completely different sound for ö and y < 1260614074 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How different would you say the sounds in the English words "dress" and "lot" are? < 1260614082 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely different? < 1260614107 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hmm, I wonder if I'm just asking this as an excuse to feel elite. < 1260614121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, very different at least. They are certainly closer than the vowels in "dress" and "say" though < 1260614143 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1260614155 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would help, of course, if I actually heard Swedish spoken. < 1260614163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, don't have a microphone < 1260614172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have one, but it isn't working < 1260614186 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I shouldn't worry about the pronunciation for now, since I don't plan on actually speaking it any time soon. < 1260614188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, there are Swedish news broadcasts from the public service radio on their website < 1260614189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sr.se < 1260614224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, the difference between "anden" and "anden" is much funnier though < 1260614225 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtfbbq < 1260614246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_phonology#Stress_and_pitch < 1260614253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Say' shares a vowel with 'dress', although it is then proceeded by a different one. < 1260614264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what? < 1260614282 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: not in broad transcriptions. < 1260614291 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The long 'a' sound is a short 'e' (eh) followed by a long 'e' (ee) < 1260614292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that's one STRANGE dialect < 1260614305 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/eɪ/ versus /ɛ/. < 1260614306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I'm assuming RP here < 1260614319 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming Gerneal American :P < 1260614324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the reason that I speak it :P < 1260614329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, which I have no clue how to speak < 1260614329 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Yes, I'd say that /dɹɛs/ and /lɒt/ are about as different as one-syllable words can be :-P < 1260614366 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say "dress" and "boot" are more different < 1260614372 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: are you sure it's not /lat/? < 1260614375 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really tell. < 1260614389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, how are you measuring the difference < 1260614397 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrarily < 1260614399 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the vowels that are farthest apart on the vowel chart are /i/ and /ɒ/ < 1260614404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phonetic hamming distance < 1260614405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds fun < 1260614425 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Yes, I'd say /lat/ is very different. < 1260614428 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly the vowels in "Eeyore". < 1260614449 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm... EEOR < 1260614450 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Hell, "hot" is even an example on Wikipedia's ɒ page ;-) < 1260614451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, what the hell does "Eeyore" mean? And how is it pronounced? < 1260614457 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my accent doesn't distinguish between /a/ and /ɒ/. < 1260614469 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Maybe you know of I-or < 1260614471 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Eeyore is the name of a character in the Winnie the Pooh franchise. < 1260614481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah right < 1260614490 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and EEOR is a mountain < 1260614491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, is that the English spelling? < 1260614495 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1260614498 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or part of one, to be exact < 1260614502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, actually it is "Ior" in Swedish iirc < 1260614504 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah. < 1260614505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "I-or" < 1260614522 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pronounced /iːɔr/ or something. < 1260614526 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wikipedia sez I-or < 1260614533 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's where I got it from) < 1260614543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, strange < 1260614565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to locate the book and gives up
< 1260614571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy < 1260614703 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays measures 26 through 29 of Opus 11.
< 1260614733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, opus 11 by Gregor? < 1260614750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, didn't you make extra-www? < 1260614751 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, is uorygl actually Warrigal? < 1260614754 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah < 1260614765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why is codu not redirecting to www.www.codu.org? < 1260614776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [uorygl] (n=warrie@lunch.normish.org): Tanner Swett < 1260614781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems not unlikely? < 1260614787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would explain some stuff < 1260614793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because I made www.www.extra-www.org doesn't mean I think it's a good idea :P < 1260614825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, most things gets funnier by taking it seriously < 1260614828 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1260614831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is definitely such a case < 1260614853 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Gregor's. < 1260614869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking www.www.codu.org ... does not redirect < 1260614869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Warning: socket_read() [function.socket-read]: unable to read from socket [104]: Connection reset by peer in /var/www/extra-www/validator.php on line 83 < 1260614869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Checking www.codu.org ... redirects to /WfXZN/ < 1260614878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I think it is broken < 1260614879 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what stuff would it explain? < 1260614891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, you? < 1260614899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops ... < 1260614903 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have to check that some time. < 1260614923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, to vague. Try again for the time spec < 1260614924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1260614985 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat, no-www.org mentions extra-www.org. < 1260615004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, old < 1260615064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just love that yes-www.org is gone but extra-www.org is still alive :P < 1260615214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed < 1260615217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also old < 1260615252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wrote a simple two ball pong
< 1260615286 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260615288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? becuase why not overdo any assignment you get at university (this was supposed to be introduction to graphical programming) < 1260615314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and they are antialiased, use double buffering, and alpha channel to make the balls show up easily even when on top of each other < 1260615364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, I couldn't get page flipping to work :/ < 1260615675 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1260615885 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to overdo my university assignments, but I ended up not doing them at all. < 1260615910 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, quoth my professor: "You could be getting an A in this class, and I don't know whether you're getting a C or a D." < 1260615948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, ouch < 1260615954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how stupid < 1260615989 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's stupid--me, my behavior, the professor, what the professor said, the professor's not knowing, or the system? < 1260616012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, your behaviour if you were capable of better < 1260616080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches the nice effects of drawing something very fast moving (balls speeding up too much between static paddles)
< 1260616119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should add a cap < 1260616328 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should produce motion blur using a low-pass filter. < 1260616365 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure it's a theoretically perfect one. < 1260616452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, well the speeds I was hitting was making the LCD show several balls at once < 1260616465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, also just get a crappy enough lcd and you will get something similar < 1260616481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop certainly shows something similar < 1260616483 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's why you use motion blur instead. < 1260616498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, oh and I'm using allegro. That is what the assignment was about < 1260616508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it will be highly non-trivial in that < 1260616529 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. You'll need to extend Allegro to support motion blur. :-P < 1260616538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very funny < 1260616551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, ever coded with allegro? It is so portable it still supports DOS. < 1260616565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and various weird colour formats < 1260616592 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1260616608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, in fact it's docs suggests "truecolor pixel formats" is something non-standard < 1260616613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and yes it is actively developed < 1260616628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me why < 1260616633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still it is rather easy to use < 1260616647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparing with, say, opengl < 1260616650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pain < 1260616656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for 2D drawing < 1260616697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, in fact allegro doesn't even support antialias in the current stable version. The development version which uses opengl as a backend does however. < 1260616735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, So for antialiased balls in pong, I'm using a sprite created in gimp and saved as tga < 1260616741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with alpha channel < 1260616746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't support loading png < 1260616908 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuy_qw@bas2-toronto47-1242437611.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1260617449 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260617540 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know a service that will run authoritative nameservers for a domain for cheap/free? < 1260617662 0 :Rembane!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Google has one. < 1260617677 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do? < 1260617684 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1260617702 0 :Rembane!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not the authoritative part... I dunno.. hang on, like to come! < 1260617707 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260617721 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a service that will run authoritative servers < 1260617729 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just random dns < 1260617735 0 :Rembane!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/intl/sv-SE/speed/public-dns/ < 1260617752 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/intl/sv-SE/speed/public-dns/faq.html#hosting < 1260617776 0 :Rembane!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Sorry. < 1260618248 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260618348 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use editdns.net < 1260618622 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's freedns.afraid.org < 1260618715 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260619064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, run bind on your own server < 1260619076 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I need a server with 100% uptime < 1260619078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also many places you buy domains from provide dns server for you < 1260619084 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as close to it as possible < 1260619086 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not this domain < 1260619090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, forget freedns.afraid.org then < 1260619096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had uptime issues with them before < 1260619125 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the requirements for registering the domain; you have to make sure that there are two nameservers that remain up < 1260619160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try another registrar that provides dns servers < 1260619177 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ro only has one registrar < 1260619189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, why on earth .ro? < 1260619192 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copp.ro < 1260619201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1260619210 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the registration policy is wonderful. One-time fee. < 1260619216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, whoa < 1260619227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now known as AnMastor
< 1260619234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1260619236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now known as AnMastro
< 1260619237 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMastro? < 1260619242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1260619247 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaestro < 1260619258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the thought *did* cross my mind < 1260619264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't sure what language that was < 1260619283 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.al only allows registering .com.al, etc. :( < 1260619298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what country (if any) .er is
< 1260619311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, you could change your nick to Aszcomal? < 1260619316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Eritrea < 1260619326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I won't go for that < 1260619342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and .nt? < 1260619347 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't exist < 1260619350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1260619360 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do reserve the right to start charging an annual fee though < 1260619364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ro is romania or something? < 1260619370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1260619370 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1260619468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, once the assignment is sent in and such I will probably put that pong game up somewhere. I guess I could offer a binary for 64-bit linux now if anyone is interested. < 1260619561 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| . < 1260619593 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260619612 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260619640 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260619717 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the late, but there are at least several that can do the hidden-primary-DNS setup: their servers work technically as secondaries, with zone transfers from your primary, but you only put the secondaries into the TLD registry, so that it doesn't matter if your primary server is up only randomly. < 1260619795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everydns.net does free primary too. < 1260619812 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1260619838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, fizzie had the solution to your DNS issue above < 1260619849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is the late, but there are at least several that can do the hidden-primary-DNS setup: their servers work technically as secondaries, with zone transfers from your primary, but you only put the secondaries into the TLD registry, so that it doesn't matter if your primary server is up only randomly. < 1260619849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think everydns.net does free primary too. < 1260619850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | . <-- what was that about < 1260619871 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1260619873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/vMno3Zg/pong.tar.gz if anyone cares. Needs liballegro.so.4.2 < 1260619880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiled on ubuntu jaunty < 1260619882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused by what fizzie said
< 1260619919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it seems I included the xcf for those tga. Not that that matters. < 1260619956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 16 K instead of uh .... 16 K ‽‽‽ < 1260620003 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what it boils down to, assuming you don't want to run a DNS server at all, is that everydns.net is one provider that does completely free "full" DNS. (I have no idea how freely their DNS zone editor allows you to do things, though.) < 1260620006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh forgot -b to du < 1260620074 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1260620186 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260620211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at least based on the nic.ro site, it looks as if one can only register .ro domains in the .co.ro, .ne.ro and .or.ro "top-level" subdomains, but what-the-ever. < 1260620253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're just confusing, given how many plain .ro domains there seem to be. < 1260620256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if anyone tries that pong, please do mention it) < 1260620356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess rotld.ro is the new page and that's just some old relic. Funny, usually "nic.tld" tends to give at least something sensible. < 1260620383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though now that I look, seems that a completely arbitrary Finnish ISP has gone and registered nic.fi, so...) < 1260620475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.fi has a similar "you must have at least two nameservers online or you might lose the domain" condition, with automatical sanity checks, but they do give you lots of time to correct any problems. (And you have to live in Finland too, unlike .ro.) < 1260621157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it seems like ompload urls are hashes, I uploaded the same file twice by mistake and got the same url back < 1260621389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay new url. And I would actually be interested in what people think about playability of http://omploader.org/vMno3cg/pong.tar.gz since it has two balls in play < 1260621398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant for two physical players at the computer btw < 1260621483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it is quite fun for a single player too, trying to keep both balls in the air at once < 1260621500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at Deewiant
< 1260621504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use 64-bit linux iirc < 1260621508 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit me with a Windows binary. < 1260621521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, give me a C99 compiler for windows that works < 1260621526 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1260621537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I thought you were on linux < 1260621540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I misremembered < 1260621563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your memory can't tell you what OS I'm in on a certain date at a certain time < 1260621565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about you? 64-bit linux or not? < 1260621581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit linux, but I don't run untrusted binaries. :p < 1260621582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah that is what you think. hehehe < 1260621596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like rebooting into Linux now so you'd need to hand me a Windows binary. < 1260621602 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260621612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't have any windows compiling environment set up < 1260621624 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your problem, not mine. :-P < 1260621627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by the time I had that in vitualbox you would already be on linux < 1260621630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there is only one of me, and I can't play pong against myself. < 1260621642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh I found it fun to try to keep both balls in air at once < 1260621642 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have two hands don't you? < 1260621651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, but I'd lose! < 1260621664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the keys are up/down and w/s < 1260621672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esc to exit < 1260621683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it says in the readme in the updated version < 1260621684 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Only if you can defeat yourself < 1260621704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, single player variant: try to keep both scores as low as possible < 1260621705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Inconvenient on non-qwerty. < 1260621729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well okay I guess I could do up/down and left/right < 1260621750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, or I could make it configurable by command line parameter < 1260621752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I guess you could do is make it configurable < 1260621780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, need to convert it to scan code for allegro however < 1260621854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for untrusted binary. hm. you could disassemble it and check that it doesn't call syscall directly and then see with nm -D what library functions it calls < 1260621863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it doesn't self modify that is < 1260621870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can see by it not calling mprotect < 1260621876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mmap < 1260621879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything like that < 1260621885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have liballeg.so.4.2 anyway. < 1260621886 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dobelx64 doesn't call mprotect, but self-modifies :-P < 1260621892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I could upload that < 1260621910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes but you could look with readelf to see what it requests initially < 1260621920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, still not interested. And I'm sure the liballeg.so.4.2 disassembly would be too long to read. < 1260621927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1260621936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway you install allegro < 1260621940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should include it < 1260621950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no install allegro. < 1260621955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kunde inte byta till graifkäget"; at least I ran it through strings. < 1260621961 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ä/lä/ < 1260621966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if/fi/ < 1260621986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie oops forgot to translate that. it is error message from failing to set up window < 1260621990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 800x600 < 1260621996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes windowed mode < 1260622000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION corrects that message
< 1260622010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I'm the useful. < 1260622016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1260622069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway you could just check my allegro library had same checksum as the ubuntu jaunty package one < 1260622090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you just audited every line of disassembly ;P < 1260622096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your whole linux system < 1260622105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does fizzie trust the Ubuntu packages? :-P < 1260622121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only trust Deewiant. (You have to trust *someone*.) < 1260622124 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a good Marble Drop-like game that I can play on Linux (e.g. Flash or native or something) < 1260622135 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Last I checked you didn't trust me enough to run CCBI < 1260622149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then fizzie *is* paranoid < 1260622168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also there is throwaway account and chroot < 1260622170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful things < 1260622178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust chroot. :p < 1260622191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about virtualbox then < 1260622191 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do you use IRC? Browse the web? < 1260622214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I trust my browser but I don't trust my kernel. That is a bit silly. < 1260622225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw. how long do you think downloading visual studio from msdnaa would take. Give or take a few years? < 1260622236 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yep. < 1260622238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what browser? < 1260622245 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Can't wine cross-compile using mingw? < 1260622264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I have no idea. And I never got mingw working even under windows so... < 1260622274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not for more than basic hello world < 1260622296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mingw is just fine for Windows binary-making; I used it to build Windows binaries of our group project-work for the OpenGL course. < 1260622314 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang should also be able to cross-compile with Winelib < 1260622314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "3d graphics programming course with a OpenGL focus", to be more exact. < 1260622316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you don't even need wine < 1260622320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1260622325 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trust pola-run. < 1260622327 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awesomesauce. < 1260622337 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably need Wine for any windows lib stuff < 1260622348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a ready-made package for ubuntu for this? < 1260622352 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you need to run it < 1260622354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has gotten lazy
< 1260622357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian has it under the name "mingw32". < 1260622361 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Some link suggests that there is so for debian, at least < 1260622363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about Ubuntu. < 1260622380 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Freedom through obsolescence. Those who still really need to can now build windows executables from the comfort of Debian." (To quote the package description.) < 1260622384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1260622406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1260622419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you used it+ < 1260622422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/ < 1260622423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1260622432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how is it used? < 1260622450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just overriding CC? < 1260622454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least here it uses the "i586-mingw32msvc-" prefix. < 1260622465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about windows dll stuff < 1260622475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both mingw and msvc? What sense does that make? < 1260622479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o blah.exe blah.c" for the minimal case. < 1260622485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It means the msvc runtime libs. < 1260622494 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1260622509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you link to a .dll there < 1260622514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you need some .lib < 1260622519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and header files for it and such < 1260622553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't remember how that works, sorry. The necessary bits for OpenGL were built-in, I think. < 1260622560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1260622583 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If allegro distributes a ready-built .lib as they most likely do, you can probably just link to that < 1260622620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: There might've been some conversion tool involved. At least the mingw32-runtime package libs have a .a extension. < 1260622633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right, of course mingw libs are .a < 1260622642 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster confused me with his .libness < 1260622654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260622655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, it's quite likely that allegro distributes a mingw .a < 1260622660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1260622675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's admittedly more likely that they distribute only a .lib < 1260622691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, there is the tool. < 1260622698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# DMC - < 1260622698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zip, < 1260622698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7z, < 1260622698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : exe < 1260622698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1260622699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1260622702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1260622703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1260622711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looked like one line originallyt < 1260622714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for /flushq < 1260622716 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( no one answered my Marble Drop question < 1260622718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it would have been worse < 1260622752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything from dos, mingw to msvc 6 and msvc 9 < 1260622758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dos and* < 1260622769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use i586-mingw32msvc-dlltool to generate what you need for linking against a DLL, but not sure. < 1260622863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe. The main use case is to create DLLs.) < 1260622900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is an a < 1260622902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.a* < 1260622910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's useful, then. < 1260622949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is testing with wine atm
< 1260622952 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they offer a mingw download then they will give everything you need. < 1260622958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X Error of failed request: GLXBadDrawable < 1260622965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wasn't even using opengl < 1260623120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, try http://omploader.org/vMno4MA/pong-win32.tar.gz < 1260623130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, doesn't work under wine giving opengl error < 1260623138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if it will work under real windows < 1260623232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well did it work? < 1260623260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you are on windows you clearly can't be scared of binaries < 1260623286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can, however, be AFK on occasion < 1260623296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh sorry < 1260623317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to work < 1260623350 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even uses my keyboard's s key instead of my keyboard layout's. < 1260623366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh nice < 1260623378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and the game itself? Works well? < 1260623388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is always hard for the creator to tlel < 1260623390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell* < 1260623402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all I know exactly what it is supposed to do and exactly what I thought of testing < 1260623440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does the circles show up as opaque or do they clearly have an alpha channel? < 1260623467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can be seen when they cross each other easily) < 1260623468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "clear" :-P < 1260623473 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1260623491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they can < 1260623502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1260623514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and how is the actual game play < 1260623517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: add pause < 1260623529 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-tab is pause :-P < 1260623536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it doesn't afaik? < 1260623537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it? < 1260623544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so I'm very surprised < 1260623551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because background doesn't pause it here < 1260623560 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May be an allegro quirk on windows. < 1260623563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, since you're at it, do you want to test the Windows binaries of my game too?! It's just some two-three years late w.r.t. the returning of the project, but I'm sure it'd still be very useful to test. In some sort of hypothetical sense. < 1260623590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says Mr. I Don't Trust Foreign Binaries :-P < 1260623613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very funny < 1260623633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh there seems to be a set_display_switch_mode I could call < 1260623665 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: One minor flaw: the circle needs to touch the edge, not fly off it, to score a point < 1260623700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how do you mean? That the circle should be allowed to pass a bit outside before it scores a point? < 1260623712 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be fully outside < 1260623739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm is that the original pong behaviour? I haven't been able to find pong in ubuntu repos nor in portage < 1260623769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ubuntu had a 3D pong thing < 1260623773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thingy* < 1260623783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original pong does the common trick of simply moving the paddles a bit inside the map instead of putting them at the very edge < 1260623820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I do move them inside, by 5 pixels < 1260623822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe too little < 1260623833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are 10 px wide < 1260623839 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I meant by at least the width of a circle :-) < 1260623840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Don't worry, I can't find the windows binary at all. < 1260623842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is actually 15 pixels inside that it is checking < 1260623860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the original arcade pong it's more like 5 times the size of the ball < 1260623868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm okay < 1260623883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPkUvfL8T1I < 1260623885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, maybe half the size of it and allow it to pass half the way out < 1260623890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a Makefile.win, though. I think it even includes an icon in the .exe. < 1260623917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway hitting any place after half of it makes no sense (would only push it out further) < 1260623932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so allowing it to pass exactly half of the paddle sounds like a good idea < 1260623956 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, it has no gameplay value beyond that point < 1260623974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is downloading the video Deewiant linked to
< 1260623992 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think it's prettier if it goes all the way instead of suddenly disappearing < 1260624014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess there might be some multiplayer amusement involved in having somebody hit the ball further in < 1260624068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that would require me to rewrite my very simple ball bouncing code < 1260624079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just checks where on the line that is the start of the paddle we hit < 1260624103 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260624107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get some strange effects as of now if you allowed hitting after half had passed < 1260624151 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just flip the sign of the x-velocity if it's past the paddle? < 1260624155 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1260624224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is very inellegantly played, why don't they just move to where the ball is < 1260624233 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game? < 1260624239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPkUvfL8T1I < 1260624254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a funny error. < 1260624256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o ui.o ui.c -c -std=c99 -Wall -Werror -O2 -I. < 1260624256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc1: warnings being treated as errors < 1260624256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ui.c:254: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89 < 1260624266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you had it too? < 1260624273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yeah I got loads of it < 1260624359 0 :immibis!n=immibis@203-97-111-43.cable.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260624370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh it does allow some strange pushing < 1260624410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I predicted placing them further in would break stuff. It did but not the way I expected < 1260624528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: If you actually *do* want to try out another Windows binary (are you bored or something?), http://zem.fi/~fis/bleh.zip < 1260624549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is that game? < 1260624564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikan_t%C3%A4hti < 1260624571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a clone of it. < 1260624592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? screeshot? < 1260624601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some somewhere. < 1260624720 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this game is more complicated than the version I remember :-P < 1260624730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Eh, well, here's a very fast screenshot, but it's not really showing up its best side: http://zem.fi/~fis/bleh.png < 1260624745 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a better side? < 1260624766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe not. Though the gemstones you find aren't too shabby, I seem to remember. < 1260624783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can also rotate and zoom with the cursor keys, that might not be immediately obvious. < 1260624791 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1260624800 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was just about to ask if I can get a more zoomed-out view somehow :-) < 1260624808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And there's a very realistic day/night cycle. < 1260624874 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose I can change the camera pitch in any way? < 1260624895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, no. But you can drag around the map with the left mouse button. < 1260624903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll snap back to the fixed position when you let go. :p < 1260624913 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right mouse button, actually < 1260624918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right. < 1260624995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well fixed those issues < 1260625012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, and you can add a command line flag "-q 1" to get a lot nicer heightmap. :p < 1260625014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I forget the mechanics: what can player A do if B has the star? < 1260625033 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can try to find a horseshoe and take that to one of the starting points before B gets the star there. < 1260625035 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oo, awesome. :-) < 1260625057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: In the sometimes-used house rules, you can also attack the other player, but that's highly nonstandard. < 1260625059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't the nicer heightmap on by default < 1260625067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/ < 1260625082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It wasn't fast enough on the school SGI O2 workstations this was demoed on. :p < 1260625087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1260625141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1260625150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had totally forgotten that -q flag, I just found it from the project report now. < 1260625163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, source link (or 64-bit linux binary) < 1260625171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default is "-q 4" which uses every fourth point from the heightmap. < 1260625178 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck playing it with all the text being in Finnish < 1260625194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, meh good point < 1260625197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so forget it < 1260625217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, didn't they use gettext()? < 1260625219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1260625219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there isn't that much text < 1260625224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, right. There's not *that* much text, though; I can give you a translation. < 1260625228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not localized, no. < 1260625228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err gettext _() < 1260625229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1260625245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation would be nice yeah < 1260625245 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just using gettext wouldn't help much without, you know, the localizations. < 1260625254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well yes < 1260625303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/bleh.tar.gz might be a 64-bit linux binary; it needs that "data" subdir and it needs to be accessible so that fopen("data/foo") works. There was a bit of a deadline problem to do anything nice. < 1260625332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also libglut.so.3.) < 1260625355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the positive side, you can edit the .obj files in the data subdir to provide all new models. < 1260625519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, updated pong btw to fix those issues: http://omploader.org/vMno4OQ/pong-win32.tar.gz < 1260625524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heightmap is bona fide real data, by the way. (The ground colors are not.) < 1260625645 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Cannot contact the database server: Can't connect to MySQL server on '10.0.6.32' (4) (10.0.6.32))" I don't think I've gotten that from Wikipedia earlier. < 1260625896 0 :ais523_unidentif!i=5cecbb40@gateway/web/freenode/x-cakttddelbgfiumt JOIN :#esoteric < 1260625956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif, hi there < 1260625971 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1260625978 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not my computer < 1260625979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what about translations + linux binary or source? < 1260625982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif, ah < 1260625985 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Windows computer that's probably full of malware < 1260625991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif, something wrong with your computer? < 1260626000 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1260626003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif, oh what? < 1260626006 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so wrong I can't use it < 1260626010 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I left it at home < 1260626016 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's pretty much falling apart < 1260626017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif, you have one at work iirc? < 1260626021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif, so get a new one < 1260626022 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen is coming out from its frame, etc < 1260626026 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to < 1260626028 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just haven't yet < 1260626029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1260626039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif, what about the centos box at work? < 1260626046 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now a win7 box < 1260626056 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I already linked to a Linux binary. Let me see about translations. < 1260626063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif, I thought it dual-booted? < 1260626064 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the centos box had too many hardware issues < 1260626069 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both dual-boot in theory < 1260626075 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the win partition didn't work on the first < 1260626080 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the linux partition doesn't work on the second < 1260626082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1260626729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://zem.fi/~fis/translate.txt has probably most of the strings in the game translated. < 1260626804 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game? < 1260626843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif: Long story, are you sure you don't want to just check today's clog? < 1260626863 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check it later; not particularly easy for me to do so now < 1260626863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_unidentif: We've been having Deewiant work as a test monkey for windows binaries. < 1260626871 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may be going home soon anyway < 1260626876 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there might not be time for a long story as it is < 1260626918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To summarize: it's a OpenGL version of a Finnish board game I (partially) did for the 3d graphics programming course a couple of years back. < 1260626925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In 2005, apparently.) < 1260626984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think I found a bug < 1260626994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, someone can get stuck at the Canary islands < 1260627008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 0 coins there < 1260627015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That is a well-known bug. < 1260627017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't you be allowed to move two spaces < 1260627028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's just the heretical new rules. < 1260627035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: We don't roll that way. < 1260627046 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even lose the game for that player if he gets stuck? :-) < 1260627053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied). < 1260627053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freeglut (./afrikka): Unable to create direct context rendering for window 'Afrikan t�hti' < 1260627053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This may hurt performance. < 1260627057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why
< 1260627060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is fast anyway < 1260627063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with -g 1 < 1260627067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-q 1 < 1260627071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1260627089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah I meant that < 1260627092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm not sure. There's a "the game is now unwinnable" message in the sources. < 1260627115 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happens if the star is there, so at least you check for that much < 1260627132 0 :Wh1teWolf!n=Wh1teWol@77.18.68.250.tmi.telenormobil.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1260627173 0 :ais523_unidentif!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1260627377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I can't really understand my logic here any more. I think I only toggle the unwinnable flag if the star has been found, a "thief" coin is uncovered, none of the remaining players have a star/horseshoe, and there are no horseshoes left in the map. < 1260627395 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So I think I don't check for the Canary Islands special cases. < 1260627401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh. < 1260627416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you keep track of horseshoes that have been found before the star? < 1260627427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1260627427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or no, that was in no way implied by what you said. < 1260627498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules were written based on the physical copy of the game I have here, and that's from some time in the 1980s, and doesn't contain the special rule anyway. < 1260627499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, where is egobot? < 1260627526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice we don't even the skip the turns for the player who's stuck on the island; we simply ridicule him/her every time it's his/her turn. < 1260627527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original rules certainly don't account for the special case :-) < 1260627545 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But can that player do anything? < 1260627559 0 :Wh1teWolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1260627574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If on the larger island, yes, you can walk from one end to another repeatedly. On the smaller island, not much. < 1260627630 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Looks like an upgrade broke it. < 1260627633 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixfixfix* < 1260627638 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The game is at least clever enough to handle that case: if you have no options you can do, it always adds an "end turn" option to the sidebar. < 1260627649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, good I need bf_txtgen NAO! < 1260627653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1260627666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run the same bit of Java locally, you know. < 1260627670 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260627678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "meh" < 1260627687 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Isn't egobot written in C? < 1260627697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen !dlrow olleH < 1260627704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1260627705 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :110 ++++++++++[>+++>++++++++++>+++++++>+<<<<-]>+++.>.++++++++.++++++.---.++++++++.<-.>--------.---..-------.>++.>. [600] < 1260627714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hej världen! < 1260627717 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :186 +++++++++++++++[>+>++>+++++>+++++++++++++<<<<-]>>>---.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++.<++.>++++++++++++.>.-------------------------------.<----.------.--------.+.+++++++++.<+.<-----. [453] < 1260627751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hepskukkuu maailmainen! < 1260627754 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :182 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>++++++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>>.+++.<-----.>++.<..>..>++++.<--------.<<----..>--.>-.+.<<.>.>+.<----.>.>+.-----------------------. [471] < 1260627755 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: xD < 1260627762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what does that mean? < 1260627765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world? < 1260627769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world. < 1260627771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, literal translation < 1260627772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260627779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: I am under the impression that bf_txtgen is the same thing as that textgen.java from somewhere. Being written in C doesn't mean you couldn't run other processes. < 1260627784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh "literal" as in "funnily broken"? < 1260627806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, something like that < 1260627815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++[>+>++>+++++>+++++++++++++<<<<-]>>>---.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++.<++.>++++++++++++.>.-------------------------------.<----.------.--------.+.+++++++++.<+.<-----. < 1260627816 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej världen!. < 1260627820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1260627826 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixxie: you're right, from looking at the source: https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/index.cgi/file/1fe97d50a1d8/multibot_cmds/interps/bf_txtgen/textgen.java < 1260627827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the extra dot there fizzie ^ < 1260627832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's the newline. < 1260627841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260627847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++[>+>++>+++++>+++++++++++++<<<<-]>>>---.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++.<++.>++++++++++++.>.-------------------------------.<----.------.--------.+.+++++++++.<+. < 1260627847 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej världen! < 1260627907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X on voittaja! < 1260627907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A winner is X! < 1260627914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that really correct translation? < 1260627924 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1260627933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is it literal one? < 1260627937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it a* < 1260627937 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1260627952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so it should have been "X won" basically < 1260627953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1260627954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X is a winner!" would possibly be more literal. < 1260627959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1260627962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "A winner is X" is the meme. < 1260627968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1260627970 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voittaja on X! < 1260627976 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's more "The winner is X" < 1260627978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if you could insert the strings in the binary
< 1260628011 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are in multiple pieces. < 1260628021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get close, I guess. < 1260628048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, problem is length < 1260628065 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space-padding where needed, abbreviating the English also. < 1260628090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wouldn't \0 padding work? < 1260628103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or do you depend on fixed length? < 1260628118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in most cases it would work right. < 1260628125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :│ ...... db "Out of memory when allocating mesh vertex array (%s).\0" │ < 1260628134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do have English strings there < 1260628142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the error messages are in English, yes. < 1260628170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some "Impossible: X" ones too. < 1260628229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terrain.map file in the data directory should be human-readable text too, if you want to customize it. < 1260628259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some of the node numbers do have special rules attached, though.) < 1260628359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1260628383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(14, 15 and 31.) < 1260628406 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't feel like distinguishing them? :-P < 1260628429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The .map file format parsing and such were done in a relatively early stage of the project. < 1260628438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The "game logic" part was done with the deadline looming. < 1260628444 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1260628471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd show you the commit frequency from a "svn log", but "svn: Could not open the requested SVN filesystem" < 1260628475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The repository must've moved. < 1260628521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why you should always use a DVCS locally when using a school's CCVS system :-) < 1260628544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I used a local CCVS system, it's just that the C has moved. :p < 1260628557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah :-P < 1260628649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've switched to a more DVCS-oriented way nowadays, but that was back then. < 1260628715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is C there < 1260628721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1260628723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :central < 1260628723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it centralized? < 1260628738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably more like "center" in the "has moved" part. < 1260628836 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found quite a pile of SVN repositories, but none of them seem to contain that particular project. < 1260628899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there it probably is. < 1260629076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There actually aren't so many separate commits that it'd look impressive; but you can deduce something from the fact that the last commit was made at 2006-04-06 05:43:19, and that is indeed in the local time zone. As I remember it, we had the "return the project and demonstrate it to the course assistant" session booked for 2006-04-06 morning. < 1260629400 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes
< 1260629435 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders.
< 1260629450 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, .al is Albania. < 1260629534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, what about .gl? < 1260629547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greenland < 1260629554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was quasi-seriously considering "zzie.fi", actually. < 1260629566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not .ie? < 1260629596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ireland, like probably a majority of the ccTLDs, only sells domains if you live or have an office or have at least something to do with the country in question. < 1260629610 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want .gl. < 1260629619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least officially. Don't know what the actual practice is, but that's the regulation. < 1260629647 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll have to ask my Albanian friend to register it for me. < 1260629849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CcTLD list claims to have a * for all that allow foreign registration, though that's probably not kept religiously up-to-date. < 1260629959 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260630031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, untranslated string: "kierroksella uudelleen"? < 1260630063 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"again on [a/the] round" < 1260630105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's the second half of "Yritä seuraavalla". < 1260630119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yritä seuraavalla kierroksella uudelleen" => "Try again on the next round" or some-such. < 1260630443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you meant you didn't get things done well before the deadline? < 1260630445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1260630454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always make sure to be done at least a week before < 1260630476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming I as notified before a week in advance) < 1260630548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am bad with deadlines and scheduling things. < 1260630847 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1260631344 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuy_qw@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260631510 0 :FireyFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260631516 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260631528 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1260631830 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1260631836 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1260632040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, usually those flash-based "navigate our shop with this panorama picture" things do proper perspective correction, but this one somehow looks rather freaky, especially if you navigate around it: http://www.korkeavuorenkatu.fi/fin/panorama/faberart.htm < 1260632181 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" < 1260632203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just that it needs to be zoomed in so that the "natural" field-of-view of the picture matches at least a bit the field-of-view caused by the monitor. < 1260632866 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1260633180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is this hubert anyway < 1260633239 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hubert Farnsworth? < 1260633258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1260633280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait, haven't we done that already today? < 1260633282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: didn't we already men < 1260633293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "already men"? < 1260633303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interrupted* < 1260633307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260633322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you need to mark it by ... or something < 1260633334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*never* < 1260633340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why npot < 1260633341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not* < 1260633349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing you is the meaning of the universe, after all < 1260633410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no < 1260633413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the reverse < 1260633425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, only not, sideways < 1260633479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe likes shooting fish in barrels, clearly < 1260633506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no I wouldn't say so < 1260633517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, more like finishing barrels in shootguns < 1260633532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks he broke AnMaster
< 1260633546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wrong. Only dried frog < 1260633555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1260633650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not at all < 1260633658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that all but one google hit for "but tell me hubert" is for this channel
< 1260633675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this hubert about? < 1260633682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :hubert who? http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1260633700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the final one is harry potter fanfic :D < 1260633708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, XD < 1260633728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with sex in it, if the introductory warning is to be believed < 1260633740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1260633752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first in an irregular series of stories." < 1260633768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we looking at shakespeare's work here? < 1260633770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back listening to Swedish jazz
< 1260633785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some compilation of Swedish jazz < 1260633787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite nice < 1260633790 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done, you've successfully described all internet fiction (fan fic or otherwise) < 1260633807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: um how so? < 1260633819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, wrong < 1260633820 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an irregular series of stories" < 1260633829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, oh? < 1260633829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a quote from the page, actually < 1260633835 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1260633850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, how comes you know that? < 1260633854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote it? HAH < 1260633859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discovered < 1260633861 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalization! < 1260633869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all logic is based on generalization < 1260633869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, how so? < 1260633871 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well-known fact < 1260633898 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all internet fiction I've seen can be described as an irregular series of stories -> all internet fiction can be described as an irregular series of stories < 1260633917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, that implication is not true. < 1260633924 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1260633931 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all logic works like that, because some logic works like that < 1260633937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, well known example: All swans I have seen are white < 1260633942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus all swans are white < 1260633944 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1260633951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except there are black swans in Australia < 1260633953 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I know this is not true. It's fun to be stupid, though) < 1260633961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yes < 1260633975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ehird hasn't realised this yet < 1260633986 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1260634009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so you are not aware of the distinction between deduction and induction? < 1260634016 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I am < 1260634032 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that it's entertaining to pretend not to < 1260634048 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the distinction, of course, is that induction isn't logic) < 1260634095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what? afaik induction proofs work over countable sets? < 1260634098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misremember < 1260634127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right? < 1260634152 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical induction is deductive reasoning < 1260634165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, "fun to be stupid"... < 1260634175 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While regular induction is just "it has worked so far, so it must always be the case" < 1260634178 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I missed the sarcasm < 1260634192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, that's because it wasn't there ;P < 1260634205 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh... I broke clang < 1260634210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, how? < 1260634223 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being really stupid < 1260634230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, how? < 1260634246 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by making a change to the lexer that I apparently did wrong < 1260634254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alarums. Enter Iohn and Hubert. < 1260634254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iohn. How goes the day with vs? oh tell me Hubert < 1260634254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- MR. William SHAKESPEARES Comedies, Histories & Tragedies, Published according to the True Original Copies London Printed by Ifaac Iaggard, and Ed, Bount. 1623 < 1260634258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, are you working on clang? < 1260634261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where Hubert got to our topic. < 1260634273 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1260634286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, uhu < 1260634335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there's no comma there. < 1260634382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what coppro and AnMaster said. also there is _transfinite_ induction which doesn't require countability < 1260634396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how does that work? < 1260634396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erkh < 1260634403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? < 1260634407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/AnMaster/Slereah/ < 1260634416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it is more likely from this actual, later copy of the King John play: < 1260634417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Alarums. Enter KING JOHN and HUBERT.] < 1260634417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KING JOHN. How goes the day with us? O, tell me, Hubert. < 1260634453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there was no "but" there: but tell me, hubert < 1260634457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iircv < 1260634459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc* < 1260634461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well ordered (or even well founded) set instead of just naturals. < 1260634470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway why did shakespear like hubert so much < 1260634473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, fungot does mix that stuff up. < 1260634473 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah oh you're breaking up really really bad it was based on a true life story or something yeah < 1260634479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it to prove things about all ordinals, say < 1260634480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, like the reals? < 1260634486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1260634492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, reals are totally ordered, not well ordered < 1260634497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the usual ordering < 1260634504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm? < 1260634523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ordering means every non-empty set has a smallest element < 1260634532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well the rationals are countable. you can map them to the integer by using the diagonal < 1260634553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um this is irrelevent to what i said < 1260634556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vant < 1260634625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, then you lost me < 1260634672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1260634672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so example of uncountable but well ordered set < 1260634672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Irreverent to what you said. < 1260634712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the axiom of choice allows you to give a well ordering for any set, no matter how big. Zermelo's proof. However it needs to have no connection to any usual ordering. < 1260634742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleph-1, being the first uncountable ordinal, is the smallest example < 1260634769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a von Neumann ordinal it is the set of all countable ordinals < 1260634793 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still can't decide if I believe the axiom of choice is true or not, and if it has consequences for physical reality either way < 1260634796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait < 1260634838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cardinal. but that presentation gives a well ordering of it. < 1260634948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's name as an ordinal is omega-1 < 1260635039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_number explains everything i said about this so far, i think < 1260635075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need to sleep a bit before understanding this < 1260635077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1260635088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1260635596 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The axiom of choice definitely has no consequences for physical reality. < 1260635598 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now befuddled
< 1260635637 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZFC contains models of ZF-C and vice versa, doesn't it? < 1260635670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not strictly a model < 1260635672 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it that my change is causing runtime errors in an area not in my codepath? < 1260635690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an embedding of sorts? < 1260635700 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a non-strict model and what's non-strict about it? < 1260635721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a model in the technical sense you would have a proof of its consistence, violating godel incompleteness < 1260635769 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1260635782 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So assuming that ZF is consistent, are there models? < 1260635798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more like: given a model of one, you can construct a model of the other < 1260635851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :godel's completeness theorem says essentially that, yes, iirc < 1260635872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this requires working inside ZF to start with... < 1260635975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not an expert on this < 1260636053 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess the completeness theorem does pretty much say that. < 1260636325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ cohen's forcing used for one direction of the proof requires working with ZF as the metatheory, but i haven't exactly read the proof. < 1260636348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because forcing requires some rather heavy set theory stuff < 1260637564 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixed it
< 1260637642 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1260637654 0 :quantumEd!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1260637712 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forccing?? bloody hell < 1260637747 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"consequences for physical reality." ? because reality is finite or what < 1260637748 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1260637769 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by reality I guess you mean sockdrawers < 1260638880 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260639070 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1260640505 0 :calamari_!n=calamari@ip72-211-145-161.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260641628 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, assuming I'm remembering this stuff correctly, doesn't the Banach-Tarski paradox depend on the axiom of choice being true? Obviously nobody is actually going to be able to attempt that kind of disassembly/reassembly physically, but I think that shows AOC isnt devoid of applicability to physical theory < 1260641661 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv, it's a conseqence of axiom of choice < 1260641674 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter whether choice is true or not (whatever that means) < 1260641790 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant 'true' as a sloppy way of expressing whether or not that axiom is included in a formal system < 1260641818 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1260642307 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"goshdarnit." < 1260642317 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260642427 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, here's a link that seems to make the case that modern physics already presumes the axiom of choice to be true: < 1260642435 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://books.google.com/books?id=4paH9zuYzmgC&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=axiom+of+choice+and+physics&source=bl&ots=72CmYhfqCB&sig=C-97pzDcvE5Cok64aKMxvsmLUao&hl=en&ei=b04kS-2IA9TDlAeU9YH2CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=axiom%20of%20choice%20and%20physics&f=false < 1260642499 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1260642505 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260642623 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand that stuff :/ < 1260642636 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that I don't know physics well enough to get it, maybe < 1260642876 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the details arent that important, the outline of the argument is that von neumann's analysis of quantum superposition made use of math that depends on axiom of choice - as to whether that really supports the somewhat strong conclusion he draws, i dunno < 1260642883 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1260642925 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not actually arguing for/against AOC having any physical relevance, but I think its an interesting question that cant just be dismissed, if you take the relationship between reality/physics/math seriously < 1260643473 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"goshdarnit." < 1260643482 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260643821 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1260643833 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260643843 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuy_qw@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260644306 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260644313 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260644512 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260644544 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1260645547 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260645667 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuy_qw@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260646442 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *" < 1260646645 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260646678 0 :immibis!n=immibis@203-97-111-43.cable.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260651170 0 :`Fuco``!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1260652602 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1260652968 0 :augur!n=augur@c-68-33-240-147.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260653372 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260653380 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260654522 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: on the contrary, the Banach-Tarski paradox has no application to physics, either. < 1260654673 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: I agree with that, but after trying to research the question a bit I would say that it seems pretty clear the mathematics of modern physics makes use of proofs dependent on axiom of choice in some places < 1260654695 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems from my attempting to understand the issues (subsequent to earlier semirandom musings) that there really is a pretty direct connection < 1260654752 0 :augur_!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260654778 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm quite skeptical. < 1260654812 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the axiom of choice doesn't even talk about real things. It talks about things known as "ZFC sets". < 1260654820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical analysis gets prettier when you use the axiom of choice < 1260654860 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it can be stated as simply placing a restriction on what things are ZFC sets and what things aren't. < 1260654910 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260655074 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the ontological question of whether or not the mathematical rules we use to describe reality are actually embedded within reality in some way, or are directly synonymous with it, or are only related via the mechanism of essentially subjective mentation is still pretty vexatious < 1260655103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define vexatious < 1260655122 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* annoying: causing irritation or annoyance; "tapping an annoying rhythm on his glass with his fork"; "aircraft noise is particularly bothersome ... \ [17]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn \ * Vexatious litigation is legal action which is brought, regardless of its merits, solely to harass or subdue an adversary. ... < 1260655188 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define mentation < 1260655190 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* thinking: the process of using your mind to consider something carefully; "thinking always made him frown"; "she paused for thought" \ [13]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn \ * Mental activity. The process of thinking < 1260655230 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're asking whether the definition of a man-made concept is embedded in reality in some way. < 1260655261 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does which color means "go" have any bearing on physics? No, definitely not. < 1260655282 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not that simple, the external universe is the cause of all our thoughts, and we are not in any way separate from the universe < 1260655312 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if materialism is basically correct, which I think it is, human ideas are simply another observable objective physical phenomenon in the universe, caused via its action and bearing the imprint of its structure < 1260655340 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea that human thought structure is in some way independent of reality is actually profoundly antiscientific, in my opinion < 1260655358 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but "bearing the imprint" doesn't mean that fundamental truths will embed themselves in the definitions that we choose in order to simplify things. < 1260655364 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely agree. < 1260655379 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The axiom of choice is part of a definition that we choose in order to simplify things. < 1260655392 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it's an open question of how exactly our mathematical physics relates to reality - to what extent it is 'really out there'/ < 1260655414 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i have two oranges in one hand and two oranges in another hand and then i put them on the table and count 4 oranges, it seems pretty objective < 1260655431 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but reading cosmology and the like, it can be harder to have that same feeling < 1260655495 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260655523 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess if I believe the facts of arithmetic, and its axioms, can be 'out there' in the universe, then the axiom of choice could be implicate in the structure of how things work as well < 1260655551 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because "two" and "four" have definitions that are strongly linked with physics; we can observe things whose behavior corresponds to the behavior of the integers. < 1260655570 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the example of riemannian geometry being created back when everyone thought space was flat and Newtonian is an example I could cite < 1260655596 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that if we observed things that behaved like ZF sets, it would make sense to talk about whether the axiom of choice is true for the universe or not. < 1260655647 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think that's a neat analogy. Given that the universe's geometry is not Euclidean, would you say that Euclid's fifth postulate is not true in this universe? < 1260655699 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think I would < 1260655739 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the large scale structure of space time is curved, then you can either have multiple or zero parallels relative to a given line from a given point < 1260655759 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we discovered some other area of physics that *does* follow the laws of Euclidean geometry? < 1260655784 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats the problem, quantum theory basically does, and thats why we cant fit it with GR, right? < 1260655800 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260655869 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we dont know how to mathematically reformulate QFT in gravitationally curved spacetime in a consistent way < 1260655889 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, obviously, neither QM nor GR is a complete theory of stuff. As far as this part of geometry goes, GR seems to describe it better. < 1260655892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it's the non-euclideanness as much as the fact the geometry is changing with time... < 1260655969 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: yeah, when it comes to drawing parallel lines to infinity, that is definitely on the scale of the cosmological ;) < 1260656358 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still haven't really answered my question, though. < 1260656370 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which question? < 1260656430 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics and euclidean geometry? < 1260656632 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we . . . of Euclidean geometry? < 1260656685 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I have the belief that there is an actual set of true physical laws that are consisent across the observable universe and are expressible in mathematical form, and they will be all in agreement < 1260656724 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1260656734 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I would think that having spacetime be treated as Euclidean when modeling one process and non-Euclidean in another model would be a sign that one or another model was incomplete < 1260656803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's leprechauns all the way down < 1260656836 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1260657664 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260657731 0 :augur!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260657781 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260658012 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-29-218.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1260658151 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260658178 0 :augur!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260658623 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260658969 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1260659407 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, hang on a moment. < 1260659427 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would agree with you if I were talking about something like QM and GR. < 1260659468 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But suppose that we actually do manage to find a complete set of laws for the universe. < 1260659544 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/do/did/ < 1260659555 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one part of these laws (e.g. its description of spacetime) consisted of a non-Euclidean geometry, and another (e.g. its description of some spooky thing we haven't discovered yet) consisted of Euclidean geometry. < 1260660154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lovecraft had it backwards < 1260660347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1260662325 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric