< 1260496986 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1260496986 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1260497117 0 :Cyndaquil!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260497134 0 :Cyndaquil!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1260499484 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-82-17.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1260500095 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260500440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260503183 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-158-81-44.range86-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260503323 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260504370 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260507291 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what else than just XHRs it let to do... < 1260507336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consume a lot of CPU? < 1260507355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is relatively well sandboxed; ofc, there'd be more of a problem if another bug let the JS escape the sandbox < 1260507385 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such bugs are almost certainity. < 1260507386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, hearing about a tarball exploit is kind-of funny, just like hearing about image file exploits in Windows < 1260507445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1260507447 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And being able to do arbitrary XHR, its not bound by same-origin. And then one wonders what other nonstandard permissions it has. < 1260507463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same-origin hardly makes a lot of sense, given that it's a tarball < 1260507484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... same origin would presumably mean the local filesystem, I /hope/ it can't XHR there < 1260507506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the URL is a file:// URL, does XHR ever let you do that? < 1260507508 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applying same-origin here would disallow XHR completely. < 1260507536 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it would only allow file:// and those can't be XHR'd to. < 1260507564 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" < 1260507615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'm glad that file:// can't be XHR'd to < 1260507615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously glad < 1260507624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if IE knows that < 1260507842 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AFAIK, XHR'ing file:// makes as much sense as sending form to file:// URL. < 1260507862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I can understand what the semantics of the first should be < 1260507905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides, you /can/ send forms to file:// URLs, if you have a file whose name ends ?key1=value1&key2=value2, etc) < 1260507934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the issue is you need a separate file for each possible form input) < 1260507947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... now I want to invent a really weird filesystem driver that effectively creates a CGI filesystem < 1260509150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1260509166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, certain filenames automatically do weird things < 1260509175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just get a static file from disc, it's auto-generated, for instance < 1260509179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like /proc, but different < 1260509205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1260509208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is XHR? < 1260509223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XmlHttpRequest < 1260509227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260509240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it makes an HTTP request from inside JavaScript running on a browser < 1260509247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the XML part is completely irrelevant, presumably there for historical reasons < 1260509255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used for AJAX < 1260509261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, likewise, may not actually involve XML < 1260509266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1260509428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm what is a good algorithm for collision detection between 2D circles? < 1260509451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculate the distance between their centres (using pythagoras) < 1260509453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's less than the sum of their radii, they collided < 1260509458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works in any number of dimensions < 1260509472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :circles are particularly easy shapes to do collision detection with :) < 1260509473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah good idea < 1260509500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about a circle and a rectangle? < 1260509509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit harder < 1260509519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the rectangle may be rotated btw < 1260509526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to find what point on the rectangle is closest to the centre of the circle, by comparing coordinates < 1260509530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then measure the distance to that < 1260509531 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that circle collision one is neat, I've used that before < 1260509541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, first you determine where the centre of the circle is, in the rectangle's coordinate system < 1260509550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1260509550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you see whether it's nearest one of the corners or one of the sides < 1260509556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so have I < 1260509562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was really young at the time < 1260509681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about collision detection of two circles to make them bounce realistically against each other? < 1260509691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, calculating which directions they will bounce off in < 1260509701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may have different speeds and may not collide head on < 1260509708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collision detection to see whether they hit each other < 1260509714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1260509719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, you do the coefficient of restitution algorithms < 1260509728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? < 1260509733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather neatly, if the balls are perfectly elastic you can just swap the momentums of the two balls < 1260509740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they aren't, you need to do a bit of A-level mechanics < 1260509756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "A-level"? < 1260509770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the exams people in the UK do just before they go to university < 1260509775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260509798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, perfectly elastic sounds fine here < 1260509825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about perfectly inelastic < 1260509843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you average the momentums, and both balls move at that average < 1260509855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stay stuck next to each other forever, if it's perfectly inelastic < 1260510270 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just swap their momenta; that's only if they hit head-on. < 1260510435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for glancing blows it works < 1260510445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't reverse the momenta < 1260510449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you swap them between the two circles < 1260510468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what if one is moving faster and hit the other straight from behind? < 1260510481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from straight* < 1260510490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the one in front ends up moving faster, and the one behind ends up movign slower < 1260510494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*moving < 1260510494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is correct < 1260510543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what if one is static and unmovable (say, forming part of the scenery? < 1260510558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that's a different situation < 1260510562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1260510580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectively, there are /two/ collisions involved there: circle with circle, and circle with fixed background < 1260510582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets say a circle bouncing against the edge of the simulation < 1260510585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which changes the situation quite a bit < 1260510607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, I meant just a circle and the background < 1260510618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a circle bouncing against a fixed straight line, you just mirror its motion around that line, then translate by the diameter of the circle < 1260510620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably just the screen edges < 1260510629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1260510634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, basically, the only physical reason something wouldn't move is that it's held in place < 1260510640 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe I'm not sure what you mean by swapping them. < 1260510646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're trying to model the physics, you have to model what's holding it in place < 1260510657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: before the collision, circle a has velocity v_a, circle b has velocity v_b < 1260510666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwards, circle a has velocity v_b, circle b has velocity v_a < 1260510673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I'm not exactly. I'm trying to model a semi-realistic game of pong with multiple balls and gravity < 1260510687 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then for glancing blows, they'll move exactly as if they had hit head-on. < 1260510700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: no, because the velocities are different < 1260510707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a glancing blow, the velocities are similar beforehand < 1260510709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're similar afterwards < 1260510726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas for a head-on collision, the velocities change by a lot because they were very different beforehand < 1260510733 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe we're not using "glancing blow" the same way. < 1260510734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same formula, different effects < 1260510745 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider a glancing blow when they're moving in opposite directions. < 1260510746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I see what you mean now < 1260510754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, you have to allow for that case < 1260510764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what happens in that case then? < 1260510781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong formula? < 1260510784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1260510790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I gave was a simplification < 1260510798 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have to decompose the momenta into two components and swap only one component. < 1260510802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1260510808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1260510820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION currently tracks it as delta_x and delta_y < 1260510833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it would be easier if AnMaster just learnt basic mechanics < 1260510835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ease of calculating next position < 1260510837 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders what to call those components. < 1260510855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I forgot the stuff due to having a bad teacher in high school < 1260510872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: it's the components normal to the shared tangent that are swapped < 1260510879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the components parallel to the shared tangent that stay the same < 1260510881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst physics teacher ever < 1260510905 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1260510916 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why I know this stuff. >.> < 1260510923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst physics teacher ever, generated small black holes everywhere. < 1260510934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I said previously assumed there was no component parallel to the shared tangent, which ofc isn't true in practice < 1260510937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1260510952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you're trying to be really realistic with the physics, though, you'd model the effects of spin too < 1260510957 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it more assumed that the components parallel to the shared tangent were identical. < 1260510963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people use that a lot in actual table tennis < 1260510965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not going that far < 1260510969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: ah,yes < 1260510970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ah, yes < 1260510972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or maybe < 1260510973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1260510977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the initial version anyway < 1260510985 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. as far as momentum went, the system was symmetrical. < 1260511008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it isn't like the way the ball collides with the paddle is very realistic anyway in pong < 1260511069 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: if a small black hole were charged, it would quickly absorb a particle of the opposite charge and become uncharged; if it were uncharged, it would hardly do anything. Assuming, as a worst-case scenario, that Hawking radiation doesn't work. < 1260511112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, even if it does, it's unlikely to evaporate instantly < 1260511116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just very quickly < 1260511118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, who broke it? < 1260511145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would that radiation be harmful? < 1260511158 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eliezer Yudkowsky. < 1260511165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, argh XD < 1260511166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there wouldn't be enough of it to measure unless you had an LHC-quality radiation detector < 1260511185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although IIRC it would probably be in the gamma region, so theoretically harmful if you had enough of it < 1260511190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with that name < 1260511194 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it depends on the size. How much mass is emitted by a light bulb each second? < 1260511202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have seen it mentioned a lot recentlu < 1260511206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently* < 1260511208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this channel < 1260511220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming "small black hole" = a few particles < 1260511224 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's because it's the name of a person that people have mentioned a lot recently. < 1260511236 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, the owner of yudkowsky.net, who writes at lesswrong.com. < 1260511248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, never heard of those web sites < 1260511287 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I first came across Yudkowsky, I found his stuff very interesting. < 1260511396 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I guess I recommend it. < 1260511498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, some Wikipedian made a list of all the things that are possible in Windows XP but not Windows Vista < 1260511503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_Vista < 1260511572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll be one long list of references after every statement is sourced. < 1260511591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* The Log Off confirmation on the classic Start menu has been removed. <--- this < 1260511607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it's that big a problem, just that the entry still says "Log off..." with three dots < 1260511615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets me every time as I wait several minutes for the dialog box to come up < 1260511622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dots, and it wouldn't be a problem < 1260511634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, those dots. what happen instead? < 1260511642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just logs off, without confirmation < 1260511643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just log out? < 1260511653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then why waiting several minutes? < 1260511655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ... at the end of a menu item implies "dialog box coming" pretty much everywhere < 1260511661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because that's how long it takes to log out < 1260511666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah < 1260511674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why are you using vista? < 1260511678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I found something similar in Gnome network-manager today < 1260511684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, xp or 7 I can understand < 1260511687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: public terminals, I'm not always on my laptop < 1260511697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but vista is just incomprehensible < 1260511712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the network-manager problem is that if you try to make a global change, you get a ... at the end of whatever the OK button is called < 1260511724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need to enter an auth password to change settings globally < 1260511725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense < 1260511734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, all windows computers at the university I'm at seems to run English XP Pro < 1260511737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you already have a remembered password (i.e. on the sudo timeout), the dots are still there < 1260511740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it doesn't prompy < 1260511741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prompt < 1260511746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a mix of XP, Vista, and 7 here < 1260511749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but with classicl look < 1260511753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computer in my office runs 7 < 1260511754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic* < 1260511756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1260511761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like windows 2000 < 1260511885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows Vista restricts the amount of memory DPMI programs can have to 32 MB (33,554,432 bytes). The limitation applies to DPMI programs running inside NTVDM. [59] The same is not true for previous versions of Windows." < 1260511888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind-of strange < 1260511897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an issue for C-INTERCAL, I think < 1260511904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it uses NTVDM when running the DOS build under Windows < 1260511947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Gopher protocol is no longer supported." < 1260511948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1260511955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1260511959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't in XP either iirc < 1260511981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why can't you compile C-INTERCAL to use cygwin or something? < 1260511993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or just windows directly < 1260511997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for dos at all < 1260511997 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1260512000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin you can, just that's a different build < 1260512003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1260512007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hours ago < 1260512010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, remind me < 1260512011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and running the DOS build on Windows is useful, mostly because it's hard to test otherwise < 1260512018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i haven't read it yet < 1260512024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, HAHAHA < 1260512033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fantasy theme < 1260512040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just brought up mezzacotta < 1260512047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fantasy + death even < 1260512081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all the iwc reminders in here? < 1260512095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "who is first to mention IWC" game < 1260512102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, between me and oerjan < 1260512120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's worse than the ehird/me hi game < 1260512121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, didn't you play "who can say hi first" with ehird about a year ago or so? < 1260512131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah I mentioned it before you < 1260512144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by 1/3 of a second or so) < 1260512153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned it first at this end < 1260512157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's let clog settle < 1260512175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and please don't let this turn into a metawar of "who can mention 'who can mention first' first"... < 1260512177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1260512179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also how is it worse? < 1260512196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:15:20 oh, it's worse than the ehird/me hi game < 1260512197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:15:21 ais523, didn't you play "who can say hi first" with ehird about a year ago or so? < 1260512198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good idea to do that! < 1260512200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog says I win < 1260512223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I do not acknowledge clog as an authority in these matters < 1260512276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say ais523 wins, too. Not that my authority is any more justified. < 1260512276 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:45 < ais523> oh, it's worse than the ehird/me hi game < 1260512276 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:10:45 < AnMaster> ais523, didn't you play "who can say hi first" with ehird about a year ago or so? < 1260512284 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot escape the win. < 1260512322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need exact sub-second timestamps from precisely aligned clocks or something < 1260512375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the records, my timestamps were 16:10:45 for both. < 1260512419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 wins < 1260512427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and please don't let this turn into a metawar of "who can mention 'who can mention first' first"... < 1260512429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: A winner is him. < 1260512446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never metaw *hit by falling anvil* < 1260512455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when AnMaster'll realize he's always the one with the bigger lag < 1260512456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1260512508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, but I win due to using ipv6 to connect. Since the lag introduced by the tunnel is not counted due to it being so cool or something. Unless ais523 is also using ipv6? < 1260512522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also i saw ais523 first too < 1260512530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260512543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's a bit hard to say who wins < 1260512575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose you win if none of the lag is counted < 1260512597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh the ipv4 lag is counted < 1260512602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the bit due to the tunnel < 1260512610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err right, yeah < 1260512611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is indeed hard to calculate < 1260512626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, really it should be based on locally hitting enter < 1260512631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very hard to calculate < 1260512693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you had the advantage based on the fact that you made the comment that triggered it < 1260512693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'll have seen the trigger first < 1260512717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good point < 1260512728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however I wrote a much longer line < 1260512741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so I must have started writing that line way before you did < 1260512742 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comment with the smaller SHA1 hash wins. < 1260512749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1260512759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you calculated them? < 1260512766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hashing based on what content? < 1260512771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the bit after the nick? the whole message/ < 1260512776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the whole message, as seen from which server? < 1260512782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are we writing nicks as < 1260512787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the final newline count? < 1260512801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the message parameter part. And without the final newline; that's a message separator anyway. < 1260512810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The bit after the nick", that is. < 1260512827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -n "ais523, didn't you play \"who can say hi first\" with ehird about a year ago or so?" | sha1sum < 1260512827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0a09ff71a80478e5950fb22b21de5e26c80e14ef - < 1260512831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -n "oh, it's worse than the ehird/me hi game" | sha1sum < 1260512831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e487aa9edb31f3169ce431aec818ea1339679c78 - < 1260512834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1260512837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *do* win < 1260512855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to that < 1260512887 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the message parameter part, without the final newline, as that's the part that the user has the most control over. < 1260512892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with sha512sum you would win ais523 : 98e07e1aaff52703459c37d2c069dcf245e7a9dff8b217cc132fdbe52cd8a4399e7bd474ae5a34c3fed86aa8d6db7f2148ab8077dcdeb053acabede44ad8b435 vs 35fd098b72b5af8f3314c4d94df407c1bb0b06b86b4f04cd2b8a220a05600f292d5967f2bf9c8f55f979de6173d65ce5b70620bf8d296f018667b51afa8cb31f < 1260512903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -n 'oh, it'"\'"'s worse than the ehird/me hi game' | sha1sum4bdbea4adce1244fc1992c25027dc83510382b72 - < 1260512905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -n 'ais523, didn'"\'"'t you play "who can say hi first" with ehird about a year ago or so?' | sha1sum < 1260512906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :870b779382fc1782cab65d33fe31b346ac9d6d6f - < 1260512916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win with SHA1 too < 1260512921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see above < 1260512932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, strangely my client seems to have clipped a newline < 1260512935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a different result < 1260512942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: me = SHA1, you = SHA512 < 1260512946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the results are different! < 1260512948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see above that < 1260512952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ echo -n "ais523, didn't you play \"who can say hi first\" with ehird about a year ago or so?" | sha1sum < 1260512952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0a09ff71a80478e5950fb22b21de5e26c80e14ef - < 1260512952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ echo -n "oh, it's worse than the ehird/me hi game" | sha1sum < 1260512952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : e487aa9edb31f3169ce431aec818ea1339679c78 - < 1260512955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bit < 1260512963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Your way gives an extra \ in the hash input. < 1260512970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just remove the sha1sum part and you'll see. < 1260512970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fizzie said < 1260512977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260512981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes this metawar got far out of hand < 1260512987 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "blah\"blah\"blah" < 1260512988 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah"blah"blah < 1260512991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I never metawar that didn't. < 1260513003 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1260513009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -n 'oh, it'"'"'s worse than the ehird/me hi game' | md5sum < 1260513011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e876a9a90f35c175d397018775def433 - < 1260513012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -n 'ais523, didn'"'"'t you play "who can say hi first" with ehird about a year ago or so?' | md5sum < 1260513014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :94b963161db7696d693326c0748bd493 - < 1260513020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing the backslash problem, looks like AnMaster wins on md5 too < 1260513026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1260513047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whirdpool? I don't seem to have any tool for calculating that around < 1260513053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whirlpool* < 1260513067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, whip up a script that uses wordnet synonyms, punctuation randomization and some arbitrary whitespace manipulation to calculate a "hash-optimized" way of saying any given thing. < 1260513068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -n 'oh, it'"'"'s worse than the ehird/me hi game' | crc32 /dev/stdin < 1260513069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2fa93fe5 < 1260513070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -n 'ais523, didn'"'"'t you play "who can say hi first" with ehird about a year ago or so?' | crc32 /dev/stdin < 1260513072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39b3660a < 1260513074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, take that < 1260513080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1260513090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, crc32c? < 1260513095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what crc32 < 1260513100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the Perl version < 1260513110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comes with Archive::Zip < 1260513113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 ... < 1260513118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked about the algorithm < 1260513122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not where it came from < 1260513123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1260513133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Now you have sufficient information to find out, duh. < 1260513145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, too much work duh? < 1260513146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, whatever algorithm zipfiles use < 1260513153 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You're the one who cares, duh? < 1260513155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the source < 1260513163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, duh duh! < 1260513169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuh-uh! < 1260513200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still, I think sha1sum is the one that should count < 1260513220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Quick, whip up a script that uses wordnet synonyms, punctuation randomization and some arbitrary whitespace manipulation to calculate a "hash-optimized" way of saying any given thing. <-- done it yet? < 1260513226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think timestamp is what should count < 1260513252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes and the local one when one hit enter. Do you use ntp? < 1260513256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I do < 1260513261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A weighted sum of all SHA-3 second round competitors, weights from the number of published cryptanalysis papers about them. < 1260513263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is looking for how to enable subsecond timestamps < 1260513274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1260513302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's nontrivial for me to enable sub/minute/ timestamps < 1260513302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having the "competitors" themselves provide the timestamps introduces an obvious trust problem. < 1260513314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1260513326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sounds like a shitty irc client < 1260513340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just one optimised for different things than you want < 1260513344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1260513346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1260513347 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only solution I can think of is to have a trusted third party (me) install surveillance devices to both of your apartments. Stop wriggling, this is for your own good. < 1260513348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes < 1260513349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1260513359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, irssi? < 1260513361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, you agree. < 1260513375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Konversation < 1260513376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I agreed to the former statement < 1260513379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the second < 1260513382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well *shrug* < 1260513393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I disagree, on the basis that I'm not currently /in/ my apartment < 1260513397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wouldn't have the desired effect < 1260513408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not at home either < 1260513411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Don't worry, I'll just have someone follow you around. < 1260513428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's a bit too expensive for this purpose, though. < 1260513435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as long as they're good at esoprogramming and fun to talk to, I don't mind < 1260513438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be useful < 1260513444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I'm not in an apartement < 1260513447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when at home < 1260513450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free standing house < 1260513474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again, same here, but I wasn't sure about definitions...) < 1260513494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1260513495 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa* speeches ss wp youtube < 1260513497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1260513502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: give me some garbage < 1260513503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could, but it is very weird. why didn't they just call it ten? that chick? dude. i mean, honestly. what's the hole card. that means you like shit!!! < 1260513508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1260513509 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1260513514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi there < 1260513515 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, if we continue to permit land to lie fallow or be set aside for them. < 1260513526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: heh, I like that style < 1260513527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, really? < 1260513529 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mr president, i would like to suggest that people can bring progress in the budgetary policy. it is disgraceful to change things, quite the reverse, it is not that but rather to the practice of executions in the usa because we have lost our bearings? this is a thinly veiled means of interfering in this process? the third point. the tragedy involving semira has shaken our society and, indeed, from country to country. whi < 1260513529 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: despite the massive investment of the european parliament is well aware of the need to safeguard economies most dependent on coastal fishing, which contribute not only to goods and services. < 1260513531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A single room of a house; the original sense being expressed by the plur. apartments." As long as you're not in multiple rooms simultaneously, that works. < 1260513537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1260513546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fizzie not fungot for the last line < 1260513547 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, madam president-in-office of the council, which has done most to expose real and fundamental problems of work and to consider that although the reduction in actual transportation costs. at the same time the european parliament has not taken the crisis in kosovo to an end. < 1260513559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem confused about my kender < 1260513561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gender* < 1260513565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's the chance that that style will start "mr president,"? < 1260513584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "A single room of a house; the original sense being expressed by the plur. apartments." As long as you're not in multiple rooms simultaneously, that works. <-- as a matter of fact I do < 1260513616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, separate bedroom (small) and office (also small) < 1260513618 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Very likely", but I don't have a tool for reverse-converting the language models to anything human-readable. < 1260513631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again bbiab really now < 1260513650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: again? < 1260513653 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mr president, on the basis of the charging system and also on how they should progress in future. the european refugee fund under category 3. in recent weeks and months to come. < 1260513653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can do an empirical sampling of a thousand sentences or so if you like. < 1260513661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, no need < 1260513667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering what causes it to do that < 1260513677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it take a random sentence and start with its first two words, for instance? < 1260513735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: "Very likely", but I don't have a tool for reverse-converting the language models to anything human-readable. <-- fungot not producing human readable output? XD < 1260513739 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, after a lively debate in stockholm, a special fund and that is the position in crafts and small and medium-sized cotton farms in greece, compared with fnord in it and that will not happen automatically, they are often housed in disgraceful conditions. this surely will be: ' very well, we need a uniform statute for asylum seekers and immigrants. the third aspect of this process, the middle east peace proc < 1260513758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's just that every sentence in the corpus has had the special token START added in the beginning, and then those are modeled by the n-grams just like any other token; and the text generation starts with an (invisible) context "START". < 1260513771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please make a graph about precidency. < 1260513794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think the correct reply may be "augh" < 1260513810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I saw a pun that wasn't there < 1260513814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab again < 1260513835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did, actually < 1260513845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no pun intended" < 1260513874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes about a second or two of the Perl script to generate a sentence, so this sampling will take a moment. < 1260513875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of a really awful pun I heard a while back < 1260513892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the idea is that there was a pun competition < 1260513907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ten finalists submitted puns that they thought were really bad, and would beat the current record pun < 1260513910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no pun in ten did < 1260513949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nng. < 1260513966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :told you it was bad < 1260514024 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very intermediate results: http://pastebin.com/m39b468be < 1260514030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd was funny imo < 1260514038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hovertext < 1260514073 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notably, the Perl script might not perfectly correspond to what the bot itself does. (Especially if the bot has gone self-aware.) < 1260514082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, i started reading those as a list of things you can address someone ass < 1260514084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1260514087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1260514101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they mostly are, if you think about it < 1260514114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr president and madam president work < 1260514116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ladies and", for instance < 1260514120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then "many major" < 1260514122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : told you it was bad < 1260514128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm unable to spot it < 1260514130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "ladies and gentlemen" almost certainly < 1260514131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the pun < 1260514152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: somehow, you being unable to spot the pun is funnier than the actual pun < 1260514161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, .... < 1260514170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you please point it out < 1260514177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pun in those then did < 1260514196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That one instance actually goes: "ladies and gentlemen, mrs neyts-uyttebroeck, ladies and gentlemen, poverty in the european convention." < 1260514196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ten < 1260514209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1260514212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes? < 1260514217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's fungot output? or the original? < 1260514221 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mr president, i have always welcomed his proposals in this house we would disagree, but on the form such compromises could take. i ask for your support and i thank the rapporteur mrs giannakou-koutsikou, but also the new media will completely replace the old regulation just in time, would be very similar. this will always be positive and i speak to you not as a member of the same group, included the republic of lithuani < 1260514230 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fungot output, sorry. < 1260514246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: point is the last sentence doesn't really work except as a pun < 1260514260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well yes the grammar is wrong < 1260514263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think AnMaster hasn't seen the pun at all yet < 1260514268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, correct < 1260514271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grammar isn't quite wrong, but it is rather tortured < 1260514276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what line it should be in < 1260514276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a clue that it's a punchline < 1260514277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just telling him where it is. < 1260514287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm unable to spot it. I even read it aloud < 1260514302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed the grammar isn't really wrong, it's just a really weird way to reference the puns < 1260514306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1260514310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see it < 1260514313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT bad? < 1260514313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First 103 samples: http://pastebin.com/m34f18f81 < 1260514318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGH < 1260514323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intended right < 1260514341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1260514344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addressing someone as "the problem" might not be very polite < 1260514351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "no pun intended" is a standard phrase < 1260514359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why is the perl script so slow? < 1260514366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, even fungot seems faster < 1260514369 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, we must emphasise civilian missions, in which respect for the state to protect citizens against serious crimes, including terrorism, if those conditions are met, production methods could be used to raise funds. i am opposed to short-term growth and in favour of the well-prepared report by my friend and fellow member, mr berenguer fuster is: should mobile telephone suppliers not be treated less favourably < 1260514379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, everyone who's serious about performance uses Funge-98 nowadays. < 1260514396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1260514438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, timing please? < 1260514440 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, our rapporteurs have centred their considerations both on the part of my portfolio but more particularly because an accurate analysis of the many obstacles we have experienced many times in this house, not to be the only indicator used. we need to adopt them, because those of us who live in europe, despite the pledges of financial support for their survival. < 1260514441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1260514447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, you are usually faster IME < 1260514448 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we are unfortunately witnessing the phenomenon of the new powers, but this time on the impact of the introduction of coins and notes. it seems that it is only transitional, and this change has taken and which has undergone one civil war and human rights. < 1260514458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 0.4 lag here < 1260514459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Perl script is more clever when it comes to punctuation (maintains a stack of things that need be closed), but I doubt that's a major contribution. < 1260514461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1260514526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 the amsterdam < 1260514527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1260514543 0 :Fuco!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260514558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, " 1 commission. (de)"? < 1260514572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a preprocessing problem somewhere. < 1260514575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, so how do you feel? < 1260514577 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mr president, that the way forward in this matter is still being discussed. i doubt whether anyone here would support it. finally on foreign policy and in the green paper expressly states and that the establishment of a european tourist agency necessary from every point of view, i am extremely disappointed to see that there is no monitoring, or at first reading between what is state aid which is not fully functioning, < 1260514621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1260514622 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl* ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1260514624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1260514624 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1260514634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sword alone can't stop! < 1260514643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was waiting for that comment < 1260514656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, however you need to highlight it < 1260514658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many for m < 1260514659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me* < 1260514679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can the sword alone stop? < 1260514679 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you are strong of will...! that's the pendant the gurus and miss you. you may use that " rainbow shell? can eat much! < 1260514690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, really? < 1260514691 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we are looking to achieve a shorter life span... lavos will rule the world in a mere door that keeps us bound, hand, foot...and tongue kid? ...oh, it's you, isn't this morbid? the great adventurer toma levine rests in a grave to the north. it's a great place for a picnic! heard that magus's place... < 1260514705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter life span? < 1260514706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the second time fungot's done "we are looking to achieve a shorter life span" < 1260514707 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the masamune! < 1260514708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unusual < 1260514721 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's what Gaspar says if you try to use the bucket in End of Time. < 1260514725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we flagged it as unusual the first time and discussed it for a while < 1260514730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1260514731 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1260514732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1260514741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: see if you can make the comments more intelligible than they were before, it shouldn't be hard < 1260514742 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then he said it looks absolutely nothing like this. jealousy? ( i can't wait for this plane 3 of the airfield, such as ' the tv is talking about. < 1260514748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Only go there if you're looking to achieve a shorter life span... Lavos will help you to leave this mortal coil." Or something like that, I don't have the text here. < 1260514763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1260514790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: again again! again again! < 1260514790 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since 1988, air france 296 < 1260514827 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLD MAN: That Gate leads to 1999 A.D... It leads to the "Day of Lavos"... Go there only if you're looking to achieve a shorter life span... Lavos will help you leave this mortal coil. < 1260514855 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't so far off. < 1260514987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's so fun to talk to < 1260514988 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please check your facts before spouting off their mouths. air france entry on wikipedia for all! < 1260514993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently not < 1260514994 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, out of a sample of N=239, 64.0 % start with "mr president,", 12.1 % with "madam president," and the highest single other possibilities are around 1.3 %. < 1260515113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: calm down! < 1260515114 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when they threw the guy who wrote the game, but it was < 1260515134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1260515134 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1260515137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This style seems prone of stopping in the middle of something. < 1260515138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ? < 1260515140 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lord mcsweeney nodded. ' take it, please.' < 1260515142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/This/That/ < 1260515155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that being discworld? < 1260515163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, take what? < 1260515164 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the sky was full of little fnord, forested country of lancre. < 1260515164 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being Youtube. < 1260515175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sky full of lancre < 1260515179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fun < 1260515191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I thought lancre was mainly mountainous? < 1260515192 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a wave submerged brutha. for a while. the audience watched in fascinated silence. quarney nodded mutely. < 1260515202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1260515211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it has lots of forests too, presumably they're on the mountains < 1260515226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes < 1260515244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lots of little fnords. < 1260515247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION digs out that lancre map  < 1260515272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mountains, sky, close enough < 1260515330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1260515394 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, "mr president-in-office" is also one way to start. < 1260515441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should add hitchhikers guide to the galaxy in there < 1260515460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I try? I thought I tried. Maybe I didn't. < 1260515467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, rare? < 1260515502 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was a bit bored of books at that point. They all sound more or less the same, except of course not at all. < 1260515512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes it is rather unusual to hold two concurrent conversations with one person in real life. Yet it happens all the time on irc < 1260515529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 instances in ~300 or so. < 1260515531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not all the time < 1260515542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, but often enough that I notice < 1260515571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is often enough? < 1260515581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, really < 1260515586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly I do it with ehird, or did < 1260515596 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260515598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1260515616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wonder when he will tell what the issue is < 1260515617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unfortunately, this decision has to be developed without at the same time, so it will be hard to be sure of that, it will be difficult." The form of politics-speak, the bot does grok it. < 1260515649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, from europarl? < 1260515655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1260515671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it sounds incoherent certainly < 1260515702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is no shortage of those in many member states of the union to have a greater proportion of elderly people who are treated with suspicion. this must not be the reasons that i have worked a lot with this." < 1260515715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's good that we're not short of elderly people to treat with suspicion. < 1260515751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, especially since it results in lots of work for politicians it seems < 1260515831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. "i support a strong political message to european citizens, who are often harmed by them."' < 1260515848 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An honest politician, how refreshing. < 1260515865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1260516382 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuy_qw@174-137-229-165.ip.tor.radiant.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260516722 0 :quantumEd!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1260517106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1260517409 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260517429 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260518255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260518399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1260518400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1260520494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/m6f85b8d for the whole set of 1000. So around 60.7 % chance, according to this particular test. < 1260521625 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *" < 1260521980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what percentage of the source data sentences start with "mr president"? < 1260522125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left work already, in a bus now. < 1260522150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *should* be a very similar percentage. < 1260522278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well yes < 1260522292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may not have used the full europarl corpus for the training, though. < 1260522309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from fizzie: 2.22 second(s) < 1260522311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice lag < 1260522326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are aware of that you are marked away? < 1260522425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess he went away < 1260522431 0 :quantumEd!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1260522431 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260522586 0 :ais523!n=ais523@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260522635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AirCastle < 1260522816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, your tab-complete has got screwed up < 1260522826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes indeed < 1260522828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mistab < 1260522829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily that's unlikely to hurt me, as I rarely need to tab-complete my /own/ name... < 1260522841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it's weird to not be first in alphabetical order < 1260522848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in fact I highlight last spoken < 1260522854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not an issue once you spoke < 1260522865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming this AirCastle doesn't speak after you < 1260522875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CallForJudgement < 1260522880 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's simplify it for everyone else < 1260522883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, har har < 1260522895 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you laughing? < 1260522895 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this /is/ my nick... < 1260522896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, now my nick column is too wide < 1260522900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is worse < 1260522904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, it is? < 1260522908 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fits just fine in mine < 1260522911 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, ask NickServ < 1260522921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, seems so completely not you < 1260522923 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:10] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on callforjudgement (account ais523): < 1260522924 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:10] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Aug 26 13:16:53 2009 (15 weeks, 2 days, 03:53:37 ago) < 1260522930 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nomic term < 1260522933 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it seem more me now? < 1260522939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1260522962 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, with this nick I can sit here sorting out arguments via deus ex machina < 1260522964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are ais[0-9]+[_`]? < 1260522975 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never suffixed ` to my nick < 1260522981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, sure? < 1260522985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1260522992 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually ais523, ais523_+ when necessary to avoid clashes < 1260522992 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais532 when I typo < 1260522999 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 524 occasionally, for nick puns < 1260523026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, I think 1064 happened once < 1260523031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a 534 pun < 1260523036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, someone did *= 2 < 1260523049 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have been 1046, surely? < 1260523060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah < 1260523066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typoed when I calculated it < 1260523070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I entered 532 < 1260523073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 523 < 1260523109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement = sqrt(-ais523) < 1260523116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what will happen < 1260523119 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1260523124 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that was easy < 1260523126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1260523847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost tab-AirCastled earlier today. < 1260524156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of 63045 comments of the Europarl data, 28954 match "grep -i '^mr president'". < 1260524182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's significantly less than 60 %, but on the other hand I don't really remember at this point what my training set was. < 1260524562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's quite a pile of whitespace, too. The bit more robust '^[^a-z]*mr president' is matched by 34372 lines. < 1260525322 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *" < 1260526147 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, on my way to making my IRC bot in an esoteric language! < 1260526247 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1260526531 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zetaplex < 1260527728 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1260530132 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260530349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny opposite of typo: I read "google fu trends" < 1260530355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of flu) < 1260531498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement, nice order url: https://www.bokus.com/cgi-bin/labyrinth.cgi < 1260531509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a web shop < 1260531511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(books) < 1260531546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :labyrinth.cgi well yeah, their order system is in fact unusually easy to navigate < 1260532178 0 :OxE6!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1260532282 0 :|MigoMipo|!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532287 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-87-118.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532376 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532376 0 :Fuco!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532376 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532376 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532376 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532612 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532612 0 :Fuco!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532612 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532612 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-87-118.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532612 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-178-159.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532617 0 :`Fuco``!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532670 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532671 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532671 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532671 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532768 0 :_MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532842 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1260532909 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532909 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532917 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260532917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260533289 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260533324 0 :_MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" < 1260533392 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1260533441 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1260533467 0 :Fuco!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260534399 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first part of a Haskell expression: ["ais523","ais569","ais661","ais707","ais753","ais799","ais891","ais937","ais983","ais29","ais121","ais167","ais213","ais259","ais351","ais397","ais443","ais489","ais581","ais627","ais673","ais719" < 1260534407 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continue the sequence. < 1260534434 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that there is indisputably only one way to continue that sequence that makes sense. < 1260534485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No there isn't. < 1260534499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding an infinite number of []s to the list also makes sense. < 1260534529 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it doesn't make nearly as much sense. < 1260534536 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260534536 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260534536 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260534737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"checking whether to build shared libraries... no\nchecking whether to build shared libraries... yes" < 1260534741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, autoconf? < 1260534838 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish test < 1260534846 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more sweedbot? < 1260534850 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^swedish test < 1260534859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will end up with some sort of schroedi-libs that are and are not built at the same time. < 1260534906 0 :|MigoMipo|!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260534941 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1260535586 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260535747 0 :Wh1teWolf!n=Wh1teWol@77.18.68.250.tmi.telenormobil.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536326 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536327 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536327 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536327 0 :AirCastle!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536327 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536327 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536329 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536331 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536331 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536331 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536331 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260536415 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuy_qw@bas2-toronto47-1242437611.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :AirCastle!i=inhahe@adsl-074-186-083-219.sip.mia.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :Cerise!i=jerry@unaffiliated/cerise JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :yiyus!i=12427124@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260536559 0 :uorygl!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1260537778 0 :|MigoMipo|!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-99.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260537814 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1260537826 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1260538449 0 :`Fuco``!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260538449 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260538449 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260538603 0 :mu!n=mu@adsl-155-100-7.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538609 0 :mu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :OxE6 < 1260538637 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.73.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538642 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One thing's for sure: until you have a backup strategy of some kind, you're screwed, you just don't know it yet. If backing up your data sounds like a hassle, that's because it is. Shut up. I know things. You will listen to me. Do it anyway." —Coding Horror < 1260538645 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1260538664 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did ehird come in here just to give us a Coding Horror quote? < 1260538675 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260538675 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260538675 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260538676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260538676 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260538687 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.73.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538689 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coding Horror experienced 100% data loss at our hosting provider, CrystalTech." < 1260538696 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I did a complete (full for some things, incremental for others, but complete combined with previous backups) backup yesterday < 1260538702 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehirdiphone < 1260538704 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wow < 1260538709 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only "backups"? On the same VPS. < 1260538713 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1260538725 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nothing of value was lost. < 1260538745 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have (very recent) backups on a USB stick, (also very recent) backups on the same drive that they're backing up (insurance against accidental rms) < 1260538750 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, less recent ones on other computers < 1260538755 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1260538772 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rms, famous data bandit < 1260538804 0 :`Fuco``!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538804 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538804 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-178-159.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538807 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't backup at all. < 1260538811 0 :Fuco!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538821 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: ugh, not even incidentally? < 1260538834 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. when you copy data from one computer to another, do you always delete the original? < 1260538856 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never lost anything apart from some ripped music. Easy to rip again. < 1260538863 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: lol < 1260538900 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CallForJudgement: Eso os idea; that < 1260538915 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what computational class brainfuck with only >, but with bounded memory and an extra instruction to add one memory slot to the memory would have < 1260538916 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better if you can make it perfectly atomic < 1260538921 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its replaced by a symlink to the location < 1260538922 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538927 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a power cut will cause the entire file to always be on either one computer, or the other < 1260538928 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the memory would wrap when it reaches the end < 1260538931 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when copying over a network < 1260538945 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably /some/ way to do that, although I'm not sure < 1260538954 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Minimax did that iirc ask CallForJudgement < 1260538967 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538969 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1260538969 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiniMAX isn't quite the same < 1260538977 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bf thing < 1260538977 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it supports arbitrary-sized > and < < 1260538977 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1260538985 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BF thing isn't what FireFly describes either < 1260538985 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was translated into it < 1260538994 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's still interesting < 1260539001 0 :Fuco!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260539001 0 :`Fuco``!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260539001 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260539001 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1260539010 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, clearly what FireFly says is TC, because you can compile arbitrary coprime DownRight programs into it < 1260539024 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, DownRight is an esolang that is not vaporware, just I haven't put it on the wiki yet < 1260539050 0 :Fuco!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260539050 0 :`Fuco``!n=a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1260539050 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1260539050 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-178-159.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260539052 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor told anyone < 1260539070 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the name was obsolete really quickly because it really doesn't matter if you can move up and left too < 1260539075 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you plan writing something on the wiki about it? < 1260539088 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point < 1260539090 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for now < 1260539093 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info" < 1260539093 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1260539105 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds similar to what I described, but 2D-ish < 1260539107 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the issue is that it's rather close to Bitwise Cyclic Tag, in that it trivially round-trips < 1260539244 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a couple of hypotheses I have to do with it, though < 1260539269 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can come up with a few variants of it, one of which I think but don't know is sub-TC < 1260539273 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one is clearly TC < 1260539304 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sub-TC"? < 1260539307 0 :CallForJudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another one is clearly also TC, but feels sort-of super-TC in that I can't figure out any way to compile existing programs into it while using all the features < 1260539314 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, Oh, and to answer a question penned by AnMaster yesterday: Yudkowsky is one of the forefront singularitarians and rationalists. <-- well yes I know. Still doesn't explain why he has been mentioned a lot recently. For example: Why then has not Knuth been mentioned as much? < 1260569810 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260569885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzien900 <-- I read that as fizzien 900 rather than fizzie n900 first. I quite like the sound of "fizzien" < 1260570283 0 :immibis!n=immibis@203-97-111-43.cable.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260573377 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260574209 0 :immibis!n=immibis@203-97-111-43.cable.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1260574627 0 :AirCastle!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1260575003 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1260575364 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think I mentioned his name because I vaguely remembered ehird saying something offensive about him.