< 1259712496 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259712783 0 :yiyus!i=12427124@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1259713977 0 :Halph!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1259714140 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1259714271 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1259714435 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259717603 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259722566 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259722582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how is Square not the most completely idiotic thing ever conceived, exactly? < 1259722644 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1259722660 0 :augur!n=augur@68.33.240.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259722671 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://squareup.com/ < 1259722679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess the receipts thing.. < 1259722731 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's brilliant. It's the smallest device I've ever seen that a criminal could use to steal card numbers < 1259723240 0 :augur_!n=augur@68.33.240.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259723558 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259725271 0 :augur!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1259725978 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259726068 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259726292 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259726301 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259727961 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1259727961 0 :jpc1!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259728306 0 :jpc1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1259729528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259731302 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1259733235 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1259735297 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, that little square might emit encrypted data only decryptable by trusted software. It's not absolute security, of course. < 1259735307 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-106-64.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1259735346 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it's not *that bad* if your credit card information is leaked to a bad guy. < 1259735363 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, let's see how common it ends up being, in practice, for people to steal information this way. < 1259735920 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259736036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that uorygl is apparently not rot-anything
< 1259736810 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259736930 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259736965 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-145-161.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259737786 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259737878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1259739206 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-145-161.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259740157 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259740619 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259740799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1259740800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1259742291 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-11-29.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1259742828 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259747263 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259747276 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259748654 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259748738 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-158-81-44.range86-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1259759058 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your favorite number (modulo 7)? < 1259759156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1259759179 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :niiice < 1259759189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite colour (modulo three)? < 1259759205 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very weird question, fizzie. < 1259759223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had trouble deciding between "modulo three" and "modulo green" there. < 1259759236 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I take it as an RGBA quadruple and interpret it as a single 32-bit number modulo three, I get black < 1259759279 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd say black is my favorite color anyway, anything else needs the right hue to look nice < 1259759320 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait don't you also get invisible black? < 1259759327 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or which is transparent < 1259759416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invisible colours are my favourite kind of colours. < 1259759446 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like letting other's choose < 1259759449 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :others < 1259759452 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If modulo green is modulo 0x00ff00ff, I get 0x004b384a which is some kind of semitransparent turquoise < 1259759631 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the original < 1259759673 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo white < 1259759686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#4b0082? That would give a non-transparent color. < 1259759694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it looks a bit Deewianty maybe. < 1259759717 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm pretty sure Deewiant would want some red in there < 1259759731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has 0x4b blobs of red. < 1259759742 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By #4b0082 I mean 0x4b0082ff, of course. < 1259759744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blobs? < 1259759750 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right lol < 1259759760 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that sounds Deewianty < 1259759771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you measure them as blobs. #ffffff has 768 blobs; that's all you can fit in one pixel. < 1259759791 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay; that's good to know < 1259759828 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION believes
< 1259759856 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.answers.com/topic/blob-visual-system < 1259759891 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interblobs tell the difference between #ffffff and #ɟɟɟɟɟɟ < 1259759934 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those f's turned upside down or somethign? < 1259759936 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1259759976 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean they are sensitive to orientation < 1259760001 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like only light from a certain angle hits them < 1259760508 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems unlikely, since they're in the visual cortex < 1259760508 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol i just read the relevant sentence :P < 1259760508 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that long < 1259762616 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259762684 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1259766644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If I take it as an RGBA quadruple and interpret it as a single 32-bit number modulo three, I get black <-- only 8 bits per channel? :( < 1259766666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and you didn't specify the gamut < 1259766670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRGB? < 1259766771 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1259766775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1259766791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats AnMaster -----###
< 1259766801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why? < 1259766818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry you went so fast i thought you were a fly < 1259766844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I liked the annotation this time < 1259767187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1259769154 0 :quantumEd!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1259769180 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1259769489 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1259769491 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuurgh < 1259769496 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to ehird < 1259769728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a tragic accident involving cheddar, a moose and five ancient OSes < 1259769750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while ehird survived (barely), the cheddar did not. < 1259770460 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1259771075 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1259771238 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-0-14.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259771577 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259771590 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1259772443 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259772464 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1259772532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what?! < 1259772555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu developer's theory: the reason that my fscks keep getting stuck at 90% is that fsck isn't installed < 1259772844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259772853 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1259772941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/487744 (the person who said fsck wasn't installed reassigned the bug to mountall for some reason) < 1259773849 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Pong timeout: 180 seconds" < 1259777447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fsck not installed < 1259777448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1259777456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it is < 1259777463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since when does ubuntu use first tire support staff < 1259777463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1259777464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell, that's a completely bogus comment from the developer < 1259777496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you try a different fsck version from a livecd? < 1259777502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1259777507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too busy with other things < 1259777507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1259777511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1259777554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "first tire" typo immediately made me think of a Ubuntu supportperson balancing on a unicycle. < 1259777570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unibuntu < 1259777591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh, tier* < 1259777793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unibuntu -- it's only got one wheel group member." That's the motto. < 1259777838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, only root then? < 1259777874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh there is no wheel in /etc/groups on januty? < 1259777883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1259777886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an "admin" group < 1259777892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the group of people allowed to sudo, which comes to much the same thing < 1259777903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as root doesn't actually have a password, a wheel group would be kind-of pointless < 1259777903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "wheel" is *traditional* < 1259777908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why, but it is < 1259777927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: GNU su doesn't support wheel, because Stallman thought it was unfair for people to be unable to get root if they guessed the root password < 1259777938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1259778049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also just do: chown root:wheel /bin/su && chmod 4710 /bin/su < 1259778059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless I misremember mode needed for suid) < 1259778077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod u+t,g+x,o-x < 1259778093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that assumes the write/read perm is sane before < 1259778101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why allow other people to read it? < 1259778114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't actually need +r for group/others for suid binaries < 1259778115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1259778137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: agreed < 1259778145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand < 1259778146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ls -l /usr/bin/sudo < 1259778146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---s--x--x 2 root root 143400 Jun 17 17:52 /usr/bin/sudo < 1259778149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why not allow people to read it, given that GNU su binaries are easy enough to come by < 1259778149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is rather unusual < 1259778166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, those perms look fine to me < 1259778170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah they are < 1259778177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, that means owner can't read it? < 1259778215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root can read anything < 1259778235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welll yes < 1259778253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw for fsck, did you try running it manually at all? < 1259778269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1259778271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, from init=/bin/busybox style of thing < 1259778278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, might be worth a try < 1259778287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :livecd is best of course < 1259778516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think the person in question did not read the bug properly < 1259778518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1259778530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully someone else will bounce it back to the right thing < 1259778532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only real explanation < 1259778572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, otherwise you can try to change distro of course. This sort of thing generally doesn't happen with gentoo for example < 1259778583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, bug reports tends to be responded to quickly with gentoo < 1259778592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not *fixed* quickly always of course < 1259778597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but response is fast < 1259779012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what bug reporting tool btw? < 1259779020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wasn't aware such a thing existed
< 1259779072 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259779839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1259780134 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259780433 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259780722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ubuntu-bug < 1259780729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give it a pid or the name of a package < 1259780734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it goes and attaches info to your bug report < 1259781057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1259781072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pid of a program no longer running? < 1259781079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case of a segfault) < 1259781081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, of one that's currently running < 1259781086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get a segfault, you give the package name instead < 1259781093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently running's for more minor bugs < 1259782487 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259782794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1259782862 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1259783118 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259783413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok! :o < 1259783744 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1259784033 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259784149 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1259784236 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1259784271 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259785643 0 :Fredrik1994!n=FIQ@213-67-76-113-no52.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1259785919 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1259786550 0 :FIQ!n=FIQ@213-67-76-113-no52.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1259786573 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ismarriagelegalintexas.com/ < 1259786915 0 :jpc!n=jw@76.23.28.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259786966 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259787525 0 :Fredrik1994!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1259787687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, finally got this FPGA evaluation board working < 1259787687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's running a simple Verilog program that counts up to 2^32 repeatedly < 1259787691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing the top four bits on LEDs < 1259788269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how long does it take to count to 2^32? < 1259788287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seconds? minutes? < 1259788299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a few seconds to count to 2^28 < 1259788306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was running it from a relatively slow clock < 1259788313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1259788322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 2^32 is quite a bit bigger than 2^28 however < 1259788329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just 16 times bigger < 1259788340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, I think that is quite a bit < 1259788355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned 2^28 as it was the lowest observable number < 1259788362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? < 1259788365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's more than a bit; something like four bits. < 1259788375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, augh < 1259788433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shouldn't a hello world be more.... traditional? < 1259788435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :four bits, and I had them all connected to LEDs < 1259788436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a LCD maybe < 1259788448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: traditional hello-world equivalent in embedded systems is flashing one LED < 1259788451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was flashing four of them < 1259788455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1259788499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about using 7-(or more)-segment displays? < 1259788514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TI DSP devboard had four leds too; we had those flashing in a KITT-from-Knight-Rider-y sort of pattern, with the sweep speed controllable with one of the four sliders we had in the "remote control" UI for the project. < 1259788520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an LCD on the board, but not seven-segment-displays < 1259788529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's about 12 LEDs on the board, but I only connected four of them < 1259788542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, an LCD would work < 1259788546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better maybe < 1259788555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if the docs said which pins on the board it was connected to < 1259788557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't < 1259788565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's... weird? < 1259788576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, bad docs? < 1259788593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspiciously bad; in fact, I'd say deliberately bad < 1259788600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh? < 1259788601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want you to buy a complicated configuration program < 1259788611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does all the connection for you so you don't have to look at pinouts < 1259788626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh I see. Why not call them and ask for pinout instead and see what they say? < 1259788638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't accept queries from students < 1259788639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and... how hard would it be to reverse engineer it? < 1259788642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :II think we might've had some sort of "flicker the leds when it gets a parameter update from the remote control" feature, so in that sense the leds weren't completely useless. < 1259788647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually thought of reverse-engineering < 1259788660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, talk to a non-student about this? teacher or whatever < 1259788664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be kind-of hard < 1259788692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my professor's trying to find out the pinout at the moment, apparently < 1259788692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1259788716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why would it be hard? could something break? < 1259788731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly because there are thousands of pins, connected to all sorts of thigns < 1259788737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1259788738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you send output to an input pin, bad things happen < 1259788748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh right < 1259788754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the leds were documented? < 1259788771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1259788774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1259788790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is another reason I'm suspicious, btw < 1259788900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware's like that; stick to software, and you'll never have to... uh, worry about... bad documentation... wait, I don't think that's actually true. < 1259788951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least with software usually you can have a backup if you make smoke come out of it when experimenting. < 1259788969 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" < 1259788997 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259790225 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259790283 0 :FIQ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259790410 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259790410 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259790410 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259790411 0 :Rembane!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259790411 0 :fizzie`!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259790421 0 :Rembane!i=rembane@83.168.206.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259790579 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1259790606 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259790657 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259790664 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1259790857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie`, yeah true < 1259790898 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1259790918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would reading on an output pin do bad stuff? < 1259790947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly, you just get garbage < 1259790953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could try all inputs and see what ones are inputs (that you can trigger at least) < 1259790967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess two way communication channels wouldn't be found that way) < 1259790979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming the chip needs to trigger *first*) < 1259790993 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259791251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1259791253 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1259791290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not use some other product instead? < 1259791302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're considering that < 1259791323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any luck for the prof in finding the pinout? < 1259791323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one was donated to us free (suspicious in of itself), so we have it to hand < 1259791323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I haven't heard anything < 1259791325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1259791366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how is donations to universities suspicious? < 1259791377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it's clearly an advertising ploy < 1259791388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get us using their products when we leave, rather than a competitor's < 1259791392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we're more used to them < 1259791400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1259791409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we can't get the peripherals working, though, it's possible that ploy will backfire :) < 1259791419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1259791595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I guess MSDNAA is the same basic idea? < 1259791600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1259791690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, IMO MSDNAA backfires *badly* < 1259791706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way? I have an MSDNAA subscription in theory but I've never used it < 1259791712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even asked for a password for it < 1259791734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because I learnt that Windows 7 need like 7 GB hd space for a minimal clean install < 1259791740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, really? < 1259791746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it was x64 < 1259791753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess 32-bit is a bit less < 1259791755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not much < 1259791778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 64-bit ubuntu install fits in much less and comes with way more useful programs < 1259791788 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259791813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, office suite, compiler, vector graphics editor, "better than paint" bitmap editor (gimp) < 1259791815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1259791832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they're planning to remove GIMP from a default install (making it an installable package like most other programs) < 1259791839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that it's rather more powerful than most people need < 1259791841 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259791843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1259791857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, xp x64 needs around 2.5 GB iirc < 1259791860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way more reasonable < 1259791860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Kolourpaint installed as a better-than-paint image editor < 1259791869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, krita is good I heard < 1259791879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's KDE, and I'm not sure if there's a similarly-featured Gnome program < 1259791882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolourpaint is useless to me < 1259791890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolourpaint is just paint with more features < 1259791894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not many more < 1259791915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about krita. It supports non-RGB, which gimp still doesn't < 1259791929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it lacks many of the useful photo editing features of gimp < 1259791942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems more intended for artists that draw stuff < 1259791959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep imagining someone using a wacom pad or such with it < 1259792177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and the downloader app sucks < 1259792178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for MSDNAA < 1259792192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it run under Linux? < 1259792198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses CRC at the end it says, yet usually results in bad downloads < 1259792199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no < 1259792227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wine said something about missing MSIE activex embedding galore thingy < 1259792234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1259792249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I don't think the word "galore" was there < 1259792275 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259792317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the number 9 in minesweeper < 1259792320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work out < 1259792336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects foul play or possibly a bug
< 1259792364 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1259792533 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259792673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, night. I have an early day tomorrow < 1259792705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh that was probably a Swedishism too) < 1259792715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, same idiom's used in English < 1259792720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost < 1259792727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1259792729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something you've said there is subtly different from what we say here, but I'm not entirely sure what < 1259792747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it may be "early morning" in Swedish < 1259792752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1259792758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tidig morgon" rather < 1259792758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye anyway < 1259792762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1259792763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1259793025 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259793207 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259793394 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1259794705 0 :Oranjer!i=62470061@gateway/web/freenode/x-ahvvcbzkwmqsyira JOIN :#esoteric < 1259794738 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1259795062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the :O? < 1259795147 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1259795153 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Oranjer < 1259795175 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1259795372 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259795404 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259795446 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1259795457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259795462 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O is just my greeting here, as I am almost always confused < 1259795973 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1259796050 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1259796941 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck has 20x more users than D < 1259796946 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.spoj.pl/ranks/languages/ < 1259797847 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection