< 1259107407 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed the problem thus: < 1259107409 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: /mod swap /mod ; \ fucking committees < 1259107452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't recurse? < 1259107467 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259107479 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1259107507 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1259107539 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant : /mod /mod swap ; \ fucking committees < 1259107567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if : is like scheme let, does forth have something corresponding to letrec? < 1259107582 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily < 1259107613 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have hooks, which are a kind of forward definition < 1259107653 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really need it much, for the same reason you don't need package/module cycles much in other languages < 1259108971 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259110399 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just got project euler #12 to run in a sensible amount of time < 1259110418 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my initial approach was totally DOOMED given the size of the answer < 1259110445 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my initial approach was O(n ^ ohshit) < 1259110494 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then inspiration struck and I realised I was wasting loads of effort < 1259110574 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I solved it with a non-allocating forth program 8 lines long < 1259110592 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and TBH, there are like 4 lines that do work in there < 1259110699 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, 8 lines is about as short as I can get it nicely < 1259110740 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay fun! < 1259110743 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed < 1259111144 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1259111746 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259112565 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259117485 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259117743 0 :augur[hw]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259118914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118914 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118914 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118914 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118914 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118916 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118916 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118916 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118916 0 :Rembane!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118917 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118918 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118918 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118918 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118918 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118919 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118919 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259118979 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1259118979 0 :Rembane!i=rembane@frikod.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1259118979 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1259118979 0 :fizzie!n=fis@83.150.124.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259118979 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259118979 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@130.233.228.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259118979 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259118979 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@64.71.152.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259118979 0 :mtve!n=nnnnnmtv@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259119240 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1259119263 0 :mycroftiv!n=infernus@h69-128-47-243.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259120703 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1259124149 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259124794 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1259125098 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-145-161.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259129597 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77.100.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259129685 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259129861 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259130308 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-189-194.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259130308 0 :iamcal!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259130308 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259130308 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1259130308 0 :Gregor!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259130342 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1259130342 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1259135649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "explicit" recursion, when you need it, there's also the "recurse" word, that recursively calls the word you're defining. < 1259135771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, language? < 1259135813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth; this was a direct continuation of what's before the splittery-looking thing. < 1259135842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, well I was on the wrong side of the split < 1259135851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't just look like a split, it was one < 1259135856 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this was before the split. < 1259135881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from ~04:17:52 to 07:28:46 < 1259135910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a long one < 1259135918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl university < 1259135999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1259136000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1259140594 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259144441 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: 20 letters can be memorized with one reading using HARRY LORAINES MAGICAL MEMORY TECHNIQUES. < 1259144484 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway iirc either you or pikhq (i think it was you) said they'd tried the system and it didn't work < 1259144499 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmation plz < 1259144564 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cool how he was too lazy to redraw the lips, just moved them and kept them in the same position when she opened her moutg < 1259144565 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mouth < 1259144581 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err not same position, more like same angle < 1259144591 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving tends to change position < 1259147620 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259150128 0 :Ilari_!n=user@88.113.39.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259150138 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259150208 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259150281 0 :Ilari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ilari < 1259151195 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259153457 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259153462 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259153923 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259155938 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259156236 0 :quantumEd!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1259156887 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259156899 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259157482 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1259158558 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259158563 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259158565 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259159368 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259159439 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259160050 0 :augur!n=augur@129.2.175.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259160727 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259160740 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259161701 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1259166414 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1259166628 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259167421 0 :augur!n=augur@129.2.175.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259167751 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-122.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259168225 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-169-6-59.range86-169.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1259169753 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259170101 0 :iamcal!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259170510 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259171223 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259171237 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259171243 0 :ais523!i=93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/x-ybwkjqioqdvortjz JOIN :#esoteric < 1259171449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any good at gpg? < 1259171450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message" < 1259171453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what that means < 1259171508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do I, offhand < 1259171675 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1259172565 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@82.66.176.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259174268 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1259174410 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259174415 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259175002 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1259175374 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259176436 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@90.52.216.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259176586 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259176586 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259176586 0 :Rembane!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1259176597 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1259176617 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1259176630 0 :Rembane!i=rembane@83.168.206.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259177351 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1259177783 0 :nooga!n=nooga@sc82.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1259178334 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259178367 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259178397 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259178784 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-139.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259179147 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259179880 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1259180041 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259180235 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-122.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259180962 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-60-216.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1259181175 0 :nooga_!n=nooga@sc82.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1259181573 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259181973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Java user signed off" < 1259182196 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259182619 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1259182866 0 :quantumEd!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1259183346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you know you talked about MySQL analyse vs. analyze? < 1259183354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1259183390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it seems that postgresql accepts both, but only the American spelling is documented < 1259183397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1259183403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for VACUUM ANALYZE < 1259183414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to try ANALYSE on it's own < 1259183427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah both spellings work there too < 1259183895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 8.4.1-1~jaunty1: < 1259183895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Automated backport upload; no source changes. < 1259183901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does that make any sense to you? < 1259183919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that happens a lot < 1259183923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just fixing up dependencies < 1259183928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1259183949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea why postgresql package would auto-hold without me telling it to? < 1259183959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... actually, is that the message when they've tested something already in lucid and are just copying it to karmic-proposed? < 1259183977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the auto-hold, it's a dependency problem < 1259183977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is listed as "backport" < 1259183983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, uh uh < 1259183986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it depends on things that conflict with what you have atm < 1259183991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally that's fixed eventually < 1259183996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I fix it with the limited tools available < 1259184001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't, you just wait < 1259184012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, they backported 8.4 instead of 8.3 < 1259184013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1259184014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem's there for everyone, in a non-stable version it happens from time to time < 1259184028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm running jaunty. it's stable < 1259184044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1259184056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't be happening, are you sure you aren't running -proposed? < 1259184062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now libpq5 is listed there too < 1259184065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, avoid karmic, it feels rather buggy atm < 1259184067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 100% sure < 1259184072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on jaunty < 1259184087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you make any progress with the fsck bug? < 1259184098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1259184171 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1259184231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this upgrade to 8.4 from 8.3 should not be happening of postgresql in januty < 1259184236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the upgrade is non-trivial < 1259184246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :requiring user to dump everything first and then re-import it < 1259184252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: check software sources, to see which repos are set < 1259184262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, /etc/apt/? < 1259184290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, via the menus < 1259184298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :settings | administration | software sources < 1259184303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why, that takes a lot longer... < 1259184317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't know where the actual file is < 1259184327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, because the GUI explains what repos you're running in a much clearer way < 1259184337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it shows a dumbed down GUI where you can't really see the details < 1259184355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is /etc/apt/sources.list < 1259184385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and that shows I selected: main, universe, restricted, multiverse < 1259184396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a - instead of and x for the "source" box < 1259184415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it should fetch from http://ftp.df.lth.se/ubuntu < 1259184415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the wrong question, the GUI shows whether you're running stable, proposed, backports < 1259184430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? < 1259184435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked where you said < 1259184452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't say what you mentioned to me < 1259184457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one of the tabs, there's a checkbox for running -proposed or not < 1259184474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and there are the debugging symbol repos on the "third party" tab. < 1259184495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how up to date are those? I wouldn't be surprised if they were following -proposed not stable < 1259184502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean the one that has jaunty-security, jaunty-updates and jaunty-backports checked? < 1259184517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jaunty-proposed isn't checked < 1259184524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, ok, that's what I was trying to ask < 1259184532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well since there is one debugging symbol repo per each of the main ones < 1259184532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the postgres upgrade might be -updates, I suppose < 1259184539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume it tracks the relevant one < 1259184540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1259184541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or -backports < 1259184544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, ok < 1259184548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty main restricted universe multiverse < 1259184548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty-updates main restricted universe multiverse < 1259184548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty-security main restricted universe multiverse < 1259184553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the ones in the sources.list < 1259184555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to copy < 1259184587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway the postgresql one is *backports* < 1259184596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell < 1259184596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can expect backports to increase versions < 1259184599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what that means < 1259184608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah but why break the deps then < 1259184614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you get versions of software that had a version-bump in later versions < 1259184629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not all such software though? < 1259184644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably, because the new version is unacceptable for some older software you have installed that isn't getting updated at the same time < 1259184675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also 8.4 been out for some time now < 1259184690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since May or so iirc < 1259184694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe June < 1259184707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, July it seems < 1259184707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Release date: 2009-07-01 < 1259185015 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259185062 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259186127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rc postgresql-8.3 8.3.8-0ubuntu9.04 object-relational SQL database, version 8.3 server < 1259186130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does that mean? < 1259186136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rc < 1259186138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than ii < 1259186147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from dpkg -l output < 1259186161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1259186165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I do < 1259186167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :residual config < 1259186173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not installed, but it didn't delete the config files < 1259186179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it'll be configured the same way if it's reinstalled < 1259186190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the usual method of uninstalling something < 1259186200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apt-get purge postgresql-8.3 tells me: < 1259186203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Package postgresql-8.3 is not installed, so not removed < 1259186212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that seems wrong < 1259186222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no? < 1259186244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it should have removed the config < 1259186250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still marked as residual config? < 1259186254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes it is < 1259186414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea what to do next? < 1259186419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1259186428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1259186435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1259186454 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1259188118 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259188167 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259188171 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259189271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1259189750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try the "lower-level"-ish "dpkg --purge postgresql-8.3", but I don't promise anything. < 1259189780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, worked < 1259189921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing apt-get parses "purge foo" as "remove --purge foo" (those are listed as equivalent), and then the main "remove" command refuses to do anything since the package isn't really installed, it just has those leftover config files. < 1259190116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, purge usually works when there is left around configs < 1259190573 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1259190595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For historical reasons (i.e., this is clearly wrong but it's far too late to change it), [...]" < 1259190598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how nice < 1259190601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1259190684 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259190969 0 :augur!n=augur@216.164.33.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1259191401 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1259191461 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-139.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1259192079 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1259192080 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick! i need someone i can talk logic with! :| < 1259192090 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1259192147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1259192187 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1259192195 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to talk logic? < 1259192311 0 :quantumEd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I buy fish then it will rain < 1259193358 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you teach fish? < 1259193524 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it will rain for the rest of your life.