< 1258591430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1258592298 0 :Oranjer!n=oranjer@adsl-71-6-20.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1258592305 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1258592332 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Oranjer. < 1258592382 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you made any esolangs before, or do you just use them? < 1258592474 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not do neither < 1258592492 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I've yet to use 'em, and I haven't made any < 1258592498 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1258592508 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! you have google wave, right? < 1258592512 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1258592515 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1258592519 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it too! < 1258592519 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1258592522 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1258592528 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm oranjer, of course < 1258592545 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As for me, I've made http://esolangs.org/wiki/HQ9_2D HQ9+2D) < 1258592584 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it say < 1258592596 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says there's no text on it (hur hur hur) < 1258592606 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1258592623 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno what's up < 1258592657 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! can you send me the link using google wave? < 1258592670 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1258592683 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer@googlewave.com!!!! < 1258592685 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1258592751 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent/ < 1258592753 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sent. < 1258592788 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1258592815 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...what? < 1258592832 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the program usable? for making things? < 1258592875 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever heard of HQ9+? < 1258592891 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1258592911 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke language < 1258592917 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1258592920 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is like HQ9+2D < 1258592932 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except without ><^ or v < 1258592936 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just goes east forever < 1258592952 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1258593155 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's up? < 1258593194 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just earlier today signed up for the wiki < 1258593226 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1258593249 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1258593263 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, now you can like, do stuff, I guess < 1258593269 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and freedom of action is goood! yay < 1258593377 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you seem a lot less conservative than I had originally, rather offensively, assumed. < 1258593386 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing now? < 1258593395 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conservative? < 1258593400 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whuuuut < 1258593434 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1258593438 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, I'm the one who got into arguments with conservatives at my school < 1258593454 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assumption was based entirely on your location. < 1258593456 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like, the spokesperson for anti-conservativism < 1258593458 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha < 1258593535 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I do see atheist bumperstickers and whatnot from time to time here < 1258593578 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :religion != politics, for one thing. Although atheists are generally liberal or libertarian. < 1258593660 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most importantly, "from time to time", as opposed to "often". < 1258593661 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but aren't libertarians some form of conservatism? :o < 1258593673 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, although I once saw a Darwin fish in Texas (awesome), but I meant it as... < 1258593705 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that in a conservative place, such blatant non-christian stuff would be terrorized and whatnot < 1258593739 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, madbr, it's more like two seperate dimensions < 1258593743 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1258593749 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :economic and individual freedom < 1258593750 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :economic freedom, and social freedom < 1258593752 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1258593787 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's really three dimensions, though individual and social are closely tied.) < 1258593791 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liberalism has low economic but high individual/social < 1258593808 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservatism has high economic but low individual/social < 1258593822 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libertarianism has high both < 1258593830 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statism < 1258593836 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and authoritarianism has low both < 1258593841 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouchies < 1258593861 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, me ol' gover' teacher gave us another interpro < 1258593866 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you split individual and social you get 9 different ideas < 1258593879 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three facets: order, freedom, and equality < 1258593899 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only choose two, at the expense of the third one < 1258593910 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservatives generally pick order and freedom, at the expense of equality < 1258593928 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liberals generally pick freedom and equality, at the expense of order < 1258593957 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you pick order and equality at the expense of freedom? < 1258593965 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and authoritarians generally pick order and equality over freedom < 1258593973 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1258593975 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't care about equality... < 1258594001 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Communism did, before it went total-postal < 1258594014 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but they aren't authoritarian. < 1258594021 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a more inclusive way to define it based on those facets: < 1258594032 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1258594044 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, what were those 9 ideas you mentioned?) < 1258594061 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have names for them. They're just combinations of high/low.) < 1258594069 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1258594079 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each starts at 0, which is average. < 1258594087 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 1 point. < 1258594087 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the facets? < 1258594090 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1258594092 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1258594105 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use that point to increase any of them by 1. < 1258594115 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can decrease any of them by 1 to gain another point. < 1258594160 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, cool < 1258594169 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, there would have to be limits < 1258594176 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus centrism just doesn't spend the point in the first place < 1258594181 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined by nature, and what not < 1258594191 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't centrism spend it on order? < 1258594202 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that would be... um... order-ism. < 1258594226 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! let's use this stuff in a nomic! < 1258594249 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. We'd need a good initial ruleset incorporating them. < 1258594265 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1258594311 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, as I was telling yuri, a system requires a goal to be worthwhile, and that most countries (and nomics, and other human organos) don't have any goals above "survive" < 1258594321 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name idea: Nationomic < 1258594352 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm saying that in the future, if I'm involved in a nomic (or anything else), I shall always make an early step to be the defining of a goal < 1258594364 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what is the goal of our suggested nomic? < 1258594370 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1258594377 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be unwinnable. < 1258594402 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or we could have some sort of United Nations-like entity < 1258594412 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although there is no official "winning" < 1258594438 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can gain great power by becoming leader of the UN < 1258594440 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1258594445 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should talk about this in ##nomic < 1258594449 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1258594453 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it has drifted quite far from the topic of esolangs. < 1258594456 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what network is that? < 1258594474 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember, unfamiliar computer here) < 1258594494 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same one as you're on. < 1258594497 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1258594498 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! < 1258594503 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1258594505 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuri wants to talk about it also < 1258594511 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure we can't do it in google wave? < 1258594511 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1258594517 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not? < 1258594647 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1258594653 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1258594668 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be a good cpu design for some amateur project? < 1258594754 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game of life < 1258594756 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1258594759 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1258594783 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MISC < 1258594794 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/MISC < 1258595136 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look particularly programmable < 1258595155 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a more standard risc although those are boring < 1258595351 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Java user signed off" < 1258595564 0 :Oranjer!n=oranjer@adsl-71-6-20.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1258595747 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted to program MISC, I would make a MIPS->MISC compiler. < 1258597259 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Java user signed off" < 1258602312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got yellwed at for saying wtf < 1258602320 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I meant to type wtg < 1258602324 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this was repeated < 1258602415 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is addicted to AWBingo < 1258602710 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTG? < 1258603274 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What The GOD?! < 1258603295 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah. < 1258603305 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes perfect sense. < 1258603492 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to go < 1258603515 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a bingo place < 1258603682 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it please you to believe you are in a bingo place? < 1258603732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1258603747 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh < 1258603758 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally mixed code for my IRC bot and my ELIZA clone < 1258604282 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME: The world is explode. ELIZA: What does that suggest to you? < 1258604355 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME: I WILL KILL YOU ELIZA! ELIZA: Perhaps in your fantasies we will kill each other. < 1258604536 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to make ELIZAs talk to each other < 1258604559 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELIZA: Why are you concerned over my problem? < 1258604578 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTHER ELIZA: Your problem ? < 1258604810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So two people in AW use Base64 to swear in front of people who don't approve of swearing where they're doing it < 1258604817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm threatening to reveal what language they're using < 1258605081 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one of them talked about f***ing one of the other people there, so < 1258605279 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1258605372 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a G rated area, and the owners of the place already ejected someone for saying wtf < 1258605471 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1258605480 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF! < 1258605653 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG WTF LOLOLOL < 1258605668 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creates chatbot representing typical 12-year-old < 1258605955 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my trombone!!! < 1258605956 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs112.snc3/15956_210441155020_601130020_4464643_2268885_n.jpg < 1258606246 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1258606265 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay finally felt like learning the techniques in "how to develop a super power memory" < 1258606292 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after one day's training, i had a friend tell me 42 cards from the deck and i told him the missing ones < 1258606302 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 error) < 1258606442 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i memorized the order of a deck in ~ 10 minutes, random access, although card -> index was a bit unreliable... then again i was getting pretty tired < 1258606463 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's all... people should seriously read that book < 1258606475 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you people < 1258606593 0 :Bjornung!n=qfzqgteq@91.177.214.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1258607171 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1258607439 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers memorizing the internet < 1258607571 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is oklofok a spambot? < 1258607583 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: yes < 1258607597 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so why doesn't someone kick it? < 1258607694 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1258607703 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, so it isn't a spambot? < 1258607715 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 50 year old book < 1258607751 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem. Oklofok, are you a human? < 1258607755 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess that could still be considered spam < 1258607764 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1258607775 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually i say i'm a lizard < 1258607805 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a mizard < 1258607808 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doesn't mean the system doesn't work for humans, i have a human brain) < 1258607847 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-64-146.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1258607850 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'd accuse you of being a furry, except that doesn't quite work with lizards. Maybe a scaly. < 1258607856 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi sebbu2 < 1258608145 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a book about memorizing data structures in general, loraine was more of a magician than a computer scientist < 1258608162 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION substitutes for oklofok. < 1258608167 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually I say I'm a dog. < 1258608169 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cs may have been slightly different in '57 < 1258608194 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well telling by your face... < 1258608247 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I used the nick DogFace here? < 1258608287 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely not a Martian. < 1258608316 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: either that or you've linked pictures of yourself and your damn ugly < 1258608320 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1258608326 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember which tbh < 1258608358 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, countless times < 1258608385 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've either linked pictures of myself countless times or used the nick DogFace here countless times? < 1258608385 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, the name 'Warrigal' sounds like a dog breed. < 1258608388 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1258608411 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a species of canine indigenous to Australia. < 1258608419 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1258608420 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a theory about Warrigal's nicks < 1258608425 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1258608431 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You expect me to believe that? < 1258608437 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's somewhere deep in the logs < 1258608439 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're jacrave-ing me! < 1258608442 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1258608449 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not my RL friends < 1258608451 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1258608452 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about a sex change operation < 1258608459 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1258608481 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ihope", tentatively seeking reassurance and hoping that the operation will work out. < 1258608519 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "Warrigal", i.e. "Warri gal", obviously post-op. < 1258608744 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1258608744 0 :clog_!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1258608766 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say in your mug < 1258608771 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal is a synonym for dingo. < 1258608784 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you look *very* different than i expected < 1258608787 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "For integral x > 0, compute the number of pairs of distinct points A and B on y = x^2 where the slope of line AB is 2008." < 1258608805 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "line AB" is AB with an overline. < 1258608815 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you are the jap or something dude) < 1258608836 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "^2" is a superscript 2. But anyway. < 1258608845 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what you expected me to look like. < 1258608853 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(unless you are the jap or something dude)" < 1258608861 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closer < 1258608866 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1258608866 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...my brother thinks "dingo" is a slang term for penis. < 1258608883 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a slang word for penis. < 1258608888 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1258608891 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except penis, it's just a word for penis. < 1258608900 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everything" is indeed a slang term for penis. < 1258608905 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-142-102.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1258608917 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "dick" is not a slang term, it's just a regular term. < 1258608921 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi immibis < 1258608924 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure this conversation has been had here < 1258608935 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, seriously? < 1258608939 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this very channel? < 1258608948 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1258608971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, everything itches. That can't be good. /me goes to a urologist. < 1258608973 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. i say everything is a slang term for penis, someone says that same joke. or maybe it's my first deja vu i don't recognize as one. < 1258608978 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had a lot of conversations about penises < 1258608985 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi immie < 1258608987 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're weird, you know that? < 1258608995 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1258609006 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("You" here was plural, just to clarify) < 1258609016 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was told that today at uni, well not directly < 1258609036 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was implied via antisymmetric eyebrows < 1258609063 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have to remove these plastic flap thingies from all the bottles i empty < 1258609071 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i do it with my teeth < 1258609075 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyebrows that were at the same height at no distance from the median plane. < 1258609099 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ț < 1258609102 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-Ț < 1258609113 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: umm wouldn't those be symmetric < 1258609138 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyebrows that were at a different height at every distance from the median plane? No, certainly not. < 1258609171 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol i misparsed < 1258609190 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but point taken < 1258609199 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm wearing my medal in that picture. < 1258609222 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sorta math medal? < 1258609226 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1258609232 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you win? < 1258609239 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: The number of integer pairs on y = x^2, x > 0 that form a slope of 2008 is 2007. 4014 points in total. < 1258609253 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Team high scorer, perhaps. < 1258609257 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned your friend was at some sorta championships, i figured you weren't because you didn't mention that < 1258609261 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1258609269 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He won Most Times Accidentally Deregistered From Agora. < 1258609280 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: that sounds right. < 1258609308 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I wonder which friend that was. < 1258609322 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: this was about the dinosaurs < 1258609324 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conversation < 1258609341 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1258609342 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defined as some sorta connected regions on ZxZ) < 1258609355 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a year ago or so < 1258609361 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, 2008-ominoes or something. < 1258609368 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual problem was trivial iirc < 1258609376 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why 2008 instead of 2009? < 1258609384 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was last year or something. < 1258609394 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, we should probably be gearing up for 2010. < 1258609396 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dearly hope the problem was not trivial, as I couldn't solve it. < 1258609417 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1258609432 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't remember it, usually that happens if the problem is complex to state, or trivial to solve < 1258609464 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: so why 2007? < 1258609484 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was practically equivalent to this: "A dinosaur is a polyomino of at least 2008 squares. A primitive dinosaur is a dinosaur that cannot be divided into multiple dinosaurs. Find the number of primitive dinosaurs." < 1258609498 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slope of line between a and b is (b^2-a^2)/(b-a), which simplifies to (b + a). Slope was 2008, so a + b = 2008. 2007 solutions for a,b > 0. < 1258609519 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: oh, that's not right. < 1258609529 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there only 1003 solutions? < 1258609547 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i misunderstood the question < 1258609550 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh, right < 1258609551 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1258609551 0 :clog_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :clog < 1258609552 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1004, actually. < 1258609586 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a = b also a solution? < 1258609591 0 :Bjornung!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1258609593 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean can't be divided into multiple dinosaurs? < 1258609605 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: yeah. < 1258609614 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is < 1258609648 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it cannot be partitioned into dinosaurs. < 1258609657 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define that? < 1258609668 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by removing points? < 1258609687 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess that is obvious < 1258609711 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just one point? < 1258609719 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1258609724 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1258609736 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1258609743 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = b doesn't have any distance, and thus can't form a unique line. < 1258609762 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: but it's a solution < 1258609766 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;() < 1258609767 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*;) < 1258609770 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the equation < 1258609772 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: not of (b^2-a^2)/(b-a) = 2008. < 1258609782 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that equation, no < 1258609785 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1258609792 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a solution of some equation. :-P < 1258609806 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1258609816 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong window and accidentally pressed enter :P < 1258609832 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0*x = 0*it < 1258609839 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a solution of that equation. < 1258609859 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a=b is also a solution of 3x=0 < 1258609864 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to an equation that was mentioned! < 1258609864 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1258609866 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of 0x=0 < 1258609890 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also to prove that there are no solutions for x=-x: (1) x = -x (2) 1x = -1x (3) 1 = -1 < 1258609932 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dinosaur is a polyomino of at least an infinite number of squares. A primitive dinosaur is a dinosaur that cannot be divided into multiple dinosaurs. Find the number of primitive dinosaurs. < 1258609936 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: 0 < 1258609945 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a random guess < 1258609950 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a line of 2008 in a row is one < 1258609952 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: that's false, if there are any dinosaurs. < 1258609963 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1258609968 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the dinosaur {(0,x) | x > 0}. < 1258609980 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what that represents. < 1258609991 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One square and all the squares to the right of it. < 1258610001 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1258610008 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: now enumerate the rest! < 1258610014 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be divided into multiple dinosaurs < 1258610016 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't be partitioned into dinosaurs? < 1258610021 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both identical to itself < 1258610022 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1258610026 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if there are any dinosaurs." < 1258610029 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should read what you say < 1258610038 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: no < 1258610046 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be divided into two dinosaurs that look like it < 1258610077 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any amount in fact, any partition into dinosaurs will have at most one infinite dinosaur < 1258610092 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*partitioning < 1258610124 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: take the dinosaur {(0,x) | x > 0} u {(1,x) | x > 0}. < 1258610146 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: not a partition of {(0,x) | x > 0} < 1258610151 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant that one can't be < 1258610165 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1258610167 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Darth_Cliche: It can be divided into multiple dinosaurs" <<< response to this < 1258610189 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obvious name for {(0,x) | x > 0} is the omega dinosaur. < 1258610206 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see the omega plus one dinosaur. < 1258610209 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dinosaur is a polyomino which resembles a dinosaur. Find the number of dinosaurs. < 1258610213 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: Infinity < 1258610216 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 0 < 1258610220 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything inbetween < 1258610235 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aleph, not infinity. < 1258610236 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as how "resembles a dinosaur" is completely subjective < 1258610245 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of infinite numbers-of-things. < 1258610269 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not, and will not ever, understand the difference between aleph and infinity. < 1258610291 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: infinity is defined as follows: if a set can be put into bijection with a proper subset of its, it's infinite < 1258610310 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual infinite numbers are then sizes of different infinite sets, again defined by what can be put into bijection with what < 1258610315 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a bunch of definitions of infinity, and they're pretty much entirely incompatible. < 1258610326 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for aleph? < 1258610329 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right that's cardinality < 1258610345 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleph is the size of N < 1258610347 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so aleph is like "infinityth"? < 1258610348 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of natural numbers < 1258610407 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate infinity, and always will. < 1258610421 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aleph is just the answer to the question "How many natural numbers are there?" < 1258610454 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aleph_1 is the answer to the question "What's the size of the smallest set that's bigger than aleph?", aleph_2 is the answer to "What's the size of the smallest set that's bigger than aleph_1?", and so on. < 1258610489 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to leave now < 1258610490 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1258610492 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleph^2 < 1258610501 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleph^2 = aleph. < 1258610529 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleph_aleph < 1258610567 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleph is not a valid thing to put in the subscript. < 1258610574 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1258610592 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The smallest cardinal number greater than aleph_n for all natural numbers n is aleph_omega. < 1258610631 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega > aleph ? < 1258610662 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega and aleph are different types of numbers; you can't really compare them like that. < 1258610667 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: if it anywhere had a "line" (of any shape) of 4016 squares, you could divide the thing into two polyominoes of 2008 < 1258610673 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega does have a size, though, and the size of omega is aleph. < 1258610673 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that at least puts an upper bound on the size < 1258610680 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no, it doesn't. < 1258610685 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't? < 1258610687 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1258610691 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... < 1258610693 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shite < 1258610697 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1258610721 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not directly < 1258610724 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I was able to come up with an upper bound on the size. < 1258610787 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: what's the size of the smallest set bigger than aleph_omega? < 1258610809 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... it totally does put an upper bound in the size, start with any cell, because we have a polyamino, we can connect it to any other cell, therefore there's a line to any other cell < 1258610824 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: aleph_(omega+1). < 1258610837 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't have 8032 cells because blah < 1258610845 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: what's the size of the smallest set bigger than aleph_(omega+n) for any natural number or aleph number or aleph_omega number n? < 1258610846 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: wait, what's your upper bound, then? < 1258610856 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 8032 at least :D < 1258610863 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1258610874 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe like 4016^2 < 1258610874 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: aleph_(omega*2), if I read that correctly. < 1258610890 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not very good at thinking while ircing < 1258610897 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: what's the size of the smallest set bigger than aleph_(omega^n) for any natural number or aleph number or aleph_omega number n? < 1258610923 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: wait, I interpreted your question as if you had said "for any natural number n". < 1258610967 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, n can't be an aleph number, so I'll continue to interpret your questions as if you had said that. < 1258610973 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: aleph_(omega^omega). < 1258610981 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, if you can't bound the thing in a 2008x2008 box, then there are two cells at least 2008 away from each other < 1258610993 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those cells are connected by some line < 1258611001 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be of length at least 2008 < 1258611002 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err shit < 1258611007 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make those 4016 < 1258611026 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can just "floodfill" them into a partition < 1258611031 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having names for infinite numbers is stupid, especially considering that basically you have "the biggest natural number" and now you've got names fo rnumbers bigger than it < 1258611049 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it touches the edges of a 4016x2008 box, you can cut it into two dinosaurs. < 1258611051 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't have that < 1258611063 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1258611068 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, if its height is at least 4016. < 1258611070 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there, a bound < 1258611081 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: well, these are called ordinal numbers. < 1258611091 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they're useful in some way. < 1258611101 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: kinda like graphs are stupid because now you basically have a "branching" natural number < 1258611110 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural numbers can't branch! < 1258611122 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"branching"? < 1258611130 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: nm < 1258611137 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphs branch < 1258611140 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: represent a natural number as a series of connected dots. < 1258611165 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're connected, are they still dots? < 1258611168 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: i'm just saying infinity is not a natural number, therefore it doesn't have to follow the axioms, kinda like graphs. < 1258611224 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: you know, if you had pushed enough, you would have reached the limits of my notation. < 1258611247 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, that's why it's stupid < 1258611253 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1258611264 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the biggest number, and you also have that many numbers bigger than it < 1258611298 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should come up with a notation that can express every ordinal number*. < 1258611304 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1258611311 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Except those outside our (countable) model of ZFC. < 1258611442 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders. < 1258611502 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let [\x, E], where E is an expression in x, mean "the smallest ordinal number greater than E for all natural numbers x". < 1258611553 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"expression"? < 1258611562 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming you don't mean E : N -> N < 1258611572 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly because that would make no sense < 1258611576 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1258611616 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not define "expression", because that word is one of the Words Whose Meanings You're Supposed To Know Already of mathematics. < 1258611665 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense, i'll be quiet because it'd be embarrassing if you found out i don't know what it means < 1258611714 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other WWMYSTKA: "variable", "free variable", "function", "relation", "axiom", . . . < 1258613161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1258613278 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: are you sure the problem wasn't to find the greatest possible primitive dinosaur? < 1258613313 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i vaguely recall you talking about a plus-shaped dinosaur and saying you couldn't prove it's the biggest possible < 1258613326 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, really vaguely. < 1258613414 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...the most basic being to enumerate polyominoes of a given size. No formula has been found except for special classes of polyominoes." < 1258613434 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it could be a simpler problem, in theory < 1258613469 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought i'd check because it looks a bit like the problem of non self-intersecting paths < 1258613713 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1258613713 0 :clog_!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1258613906 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given an infinite board size, would go be turing complete? < 1258614556 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.answers.com/topic/exptime < 1258614592 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1258614592 0 :clog_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :clog < 1258614787 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok < 1258614879 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Radiateur" < 1258615035 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augie < 1258615166 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Wiki/index.php/2007_USAMO_Problems/Problem_4 < 1258615175 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think i was right < 1258615201 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool solutions, now i don't have to waste a day on it < 1258608216 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1258608216 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1258608347 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1258608358 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and since it visits a corner infinitely many times, it must visit the exterior of the rectangle." <<< what if it always goes back to the interior after visiting the corner? < 1258608387 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's a corner < 1258608421 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you might have it, but then you are considering something a triviality that i don't, at least compared to the other facts you mention there. < 1258608446 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 53 < 1258608447 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it's something like that, of course you need to show a reason why you go off the cycle, for any cycle there might be < 1258617599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1258621683 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1258621683 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously there needs to be a cycle, because there needs to be a repetition of global state) < 1258621700 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now -> < 1258621716 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, you did not mention the "trick" < 1258621719 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1258621735 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, the trick. < 1258621915 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find the leftmost cell of the topmost row. (Heh, "topmost".) This cell must be entered from the bottom and exited from the right, or vice versa, and it must alternate between these. And... < 1258622173 0 :neuDialect!n=IceChat7@ip-85-161-170-85.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1258623894 0 :neuDialect!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1258624047 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1258626450 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-27-134.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1258626592 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1258627271 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1258628569 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1258629124 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1258629132 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1258629308 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1258629433 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1258630532 0 :migomipo!i=3e779bfd@gateway/web/freenode/x-jmohybvbfddhpgqc JOIN :#esoteric < 1258631754 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: where exactly does the ant go to a new cell? < 1258631775 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has to alternate between those, then what? < 1258631842 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see where that differs from proving that an ant that always turns right and doesn't change cell state always sees an infinite amount of cells... < 1258631943 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there was another, even simpler one i had to do, for each L in RE, find a language N in R and a homomorphism h such that L = h(N) < 1258631969 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are so lazy < 1258632110 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm so tired i'm pretty sure no one except the lecturer understood my mumblings < 1258632290 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this guy on the course who has sofar gotten every yes/no proof the wrong way around, i'm beginning to think he's doing it on purpose < 1258632329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a statement of some sort. < 1258632341 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what sort exactly? < 1258632354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of protest, maybe? < 1258632363 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be... < 1258632368 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"too hard"? :P < 1258632388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "too meaningless". < 1258632401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard some grumblings like that. < 1258632419 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very concrete question whether RE and R are closed under homomorphisms and inverse homomorphisms < 1258632430 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it? < 1258632458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, ours is a *technical* university, not some fancy-pants science-making factory. < 1258632474 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a technical university technically not an university? < 1258632510 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not exactly sure how technical universities differ from normal ones < 1258632536 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our cs department does a lot of "non basic" research, like simply finding practical algos for medical purposes and shit < 1258632550 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "perustutkimus" in english < 1258632558 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elementary research maybe < 1258632576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen "basic research" used. Or fundamental. < 1258632585 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. well they do a lot of non-that < 1258632598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applied, then. < 1258632605 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i suppose. < 1258632637 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applied and eval'd research! Though I guess the latter doesn't really mean anything. :/ < 1258632667 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's eval'd after peer review < 1258632719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A beer-reviewed journal is a good place to publish in. < 1258632721 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :althoughi'm not sure that's a very intelligent play on words < 1258632724 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*although i'm < 1258632744 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that joke must be used a lot in student magazines < 1258632779 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems not < 1258632791 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google would know < 1258632830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Results 1 - 10 of about 105 for "beer-reviewed journal". It is not so clever, no. < 1258632846 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must not be < 1258632860 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't slept yet < 1258632866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The google summary-snippets are sometimes very interesting. "For more on this subject see my beer-reviewed journal article entitled Earth, Earth, the Magical Fruit. Our current climate computer model accurately ..." < 1258632885 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1258632942 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i've been trying to get up and get food for 20 minutes now < 1258632950 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries < 1258633067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread "oklofok fries", possibly because that's not such an unlikely act for the topic of food-getting. < 1258633141 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly microwave things. < 1258633193 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when i haven't slept < 1258633199 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would just burn myself < 1258633208 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i tried to use the more technical machines < 1258633216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fry, you fools. Somehow today my brain is wired to generate phrases like that without explicitly trying to, and I can't seem to turn it off. < 1258633272 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a pretty phrase < 1258633296 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was in the trailer of mcdonald's - the movie < 1258633917 0 :facsimile!n=v@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1258635526 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1258636336 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1258639244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer-review? < 1258639264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, apparently they're adding function pointers to Java < 1258639398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? what's wrong with passing a class around all the time? < 1258639428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and hi ais523 < 1258639431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you ever /written/ Java? < 1258639452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it avoids four lines of boilerplate every time you want to create any sort of callback < 1258639455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no. But I have read it. < 1258639466 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :four lines is O(1) < 1258639466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and duh. I wasn't serious < 1258639471 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't matter < 1258639479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :facsimile: yes, but O(1) is still annoying when you have to write it n times < 1258639482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was sarcastic < 1258639494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1258639503 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only O(n), if you work on a team that's easily resolved < 1258639569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :facsimile: it's still worse than the alternative < 1258639588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the things people should learn from computer science is that O(n^3) is faster than O(1) for small enough n and large enough 1 < 1258639613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't you make a macro to do it < 1258639622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could in theory use a preprocessor for java < 1258639629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that would be horrific style, and also you'd need to run a separate preprocessor < 1258639638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I said that just above < 1258639644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, that kind-of makes me want to write .java.m4 files now < 1258639657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was thinking about abusing cpp < 1258639666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, m4 is better if you want to abuse something, it's Turing-complete < 1258639683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1258639686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could combine it with my indentation style designed to annoy everyone equally < 1258639693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and create a language designed to annoy everyone equally < 1258639701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the m4 would annoy Java fans, the Java would annoy everyone else) < 1258639711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for this web mail system. I have a limit of 50 MB, of which I'm currently using -506KB < 1258639713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to it < 1258639722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1258639734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "Sun ONE Messenger Express", used for the university < 1258639734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be incredibly funny if it were storing the number of bytes used in a signed 32-bit integer < 1258639745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not /quite/ outside the realm of plausible stupidity < 1258639757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, adding up the column for all mails in the inbox give me plus 506 KB < 1258639760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not minus < 1258639767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1258639774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my explanation better < 1258639777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so just the sign is inverted somewhere < 1258639987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in a formal English letter, what would you write above your name? "Regards"? < 1258639990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else < 1258640002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's a complicated set of rules that nobody can remember < 1258640010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from people who write formal letters for a living < 1258640041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's either "Yours sincerely" or "Yours faithfully" depending on what form of address you used for the recipient up near the top < 1258640046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, lets say I'm writing to one of the teachers at university, one who happens to not be a native Swedish speaker and prefers to receive mail in English thus. < 1258640046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forget the exact circumstances < 1258640063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is there a need for the letter to be really formal? < 1258640092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, I guess you could go even more formal. < 1258640100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess the answer is: no < 1258640126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as for address at the top, it is an email ;P < 1258640151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess that wasn't what you meant) < 1258640200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valediction#English < 1258640215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Valediction"? < 1258640240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the name for the bit at the bottom of a letter where you sign your name < 1258640257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, going off to a meeting for a while < 1258640259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1258640263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cya < 1258640650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, funny thing: Now when I sent an additonal mail the count went down further. It seems that I actually get -512 KB when I take (sum of sizes of mails in "Inbox") - (sum of sizes of mails in "Sent"). < 1258640675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what would happen if I used any other folder < 1258640692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would divide or multiply by them? XD < 1258643544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, basic rule for formal letters is "yours sincerely" when you know the other person's name, and "yours faithfully" when you don't < 1258643728 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1258644117 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1258644121 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1258644171 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1258644485 0 :migomipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1258644647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1258645529 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1258646177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1258647708 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1258647714 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1258649624 0 :MigoMipo!i=kvirc@94.191.162.120.bredband.tre.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1258649997 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1258651465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1258651657 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1258654136 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-6-190.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1258655677 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1258657433 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-6-190.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1258657647 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1258658068 0 :|MigoMipo|!i=kvirc@95.209.90.54.bredband.tre.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1258658448 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1258660018 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1258660457 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1258660629 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1258660910 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :migomipo < 1258661092 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1258663398 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1258664094 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1258664133 0 :adam_d_!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-6-190.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1258664239 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1258664239 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1258664240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1258664240 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1258664303 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1258664313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1258664320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1258664320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it hours ago < 1258664325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, same < 1258664330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it before I went away to eat < 1258664335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you weren't here then < 1258664349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also I just saw the most horrible pun in a product name in Swedish < 1258664360 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-6-190.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1258664360 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1258664360 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1258664372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, want to hear it? < 1258664383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okej < 1258664388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, < 1258664403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vet du vad "nĂ€ssprej" Ă€r? (Är det samma pĂ„ norska?) < 1258664414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nesespray < 1258664424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i alla fall sĂ„ sĂ„g jag en sĂ„dan med namnet "RenĂ€ssans" < 1258664434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1258664434 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1258664451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a double pun... ren- also has something to do with nose < 1258664457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1258664462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rhin- < 1258664468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in fact it was: "RenĂ€ssans Plus+" < 1258664475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes the + after the "Plus") < 1258664501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, "rhin-"? not in Swedish at least. Maybe latin? < 1258664506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greek < 1258664516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one such spray called rhinox < 1258664524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1258664536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what do you call such a spray in English? < 1258664572 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh it's also a transformers character < 1258664581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is? < 1258664586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RenĂ€ssans? < 1258664589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rhinox" < 1258664591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1258664610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_spray < 1258664693 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1258664769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nosehelper! < 1258664779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where did you get that from? < 1258664822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was this Assembly 99 "wild demo" compo (basically a movie of anything at all) third-place-winner. < 1258664838 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1258664841 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :adam_d < 1258664881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1258664925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was about an imaginary nose hair trimmer tool. (In fact it was a small one of those "plasma lamps" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe -- you must've seen one. You sort of rubbed your nose against it, and presumably it removed some nose hair or something.) < 1258664935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also came with a full-sized car battery. Mobility!) < 1258664962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: the description is based on my very fallible and vague memories; I haven't been able to find the video file anywhere.) < 1258664984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's in youtube now. < 1258664994 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploaded September 14, 2009. That's synchronicity for you! < 1258665014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notable side effects: May set your nose hairs on fire. If so, try sneezing. < 1258665016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AleEMZl5bQI -- it is unfortunately only in Finnish, I think. (I don't have speakers connected.) < 1258665028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err... what was the point of that video < 1258665039 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1258665051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in fact it doesn't seem to be just a nose hair trimmer; it helps in any nose-related problems. < 1258665054 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point? < 1258665076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1258665079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well was was it for then < 1258665119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1258665127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that word? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketch_comedy < 1258665131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1258665179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah Finnish only < 1258665216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a completely irrelevant bit of trivia: I think that female "announcer" person is the daughter of the former (and longtime) editor-in-chief of Finland's arguably largest computer-tech-related magazine. < 1258665312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(333000 readers, a circulation of 93364 copies.) < 1258665445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what was the "Assembly 99 "wild demo"" thingy about? < 1258665465 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1258665560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's where that video was an entry in. < 1258665562 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1258665579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and what was "assembly 99" about? < 1258665587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not about assembly programming I guess? < 1258665594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly is a demoparty, 99 is the year 1999. < 1258665598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A demoscene party thing; I'm *sure* I've mentioned Assembly here. < 1258665653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm unable to see what this video had to do with "assembly programming" and "demo". I would expect some computer generated 3D thingy or such instead. < 1258665715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, like I said, it's a wild compo entry. < 1258665716 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those can be anything. < 1258665719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually some fraction is just generic parody video style stuff. < 1258665737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And others are very vaguely computer-related, and some more directly. < 1258665749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they've been messing around with the categories lately. < 1258665789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youscope was a not too shabby one; it was a demo-style thing displayed on the screen of an oscilloscope connected to a computer sound card. < 1258665815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g and so on. < 1258665927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently (well, in 2009) the category split was so that "Real Wild demo" entries must be "anything that can run realtime graphics", and there was a separate "short film" category for not-programmed stuff. < 1258666019 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most soundcards (and other players) seem to have a lowpass filter at about half of the samplerate" <-- that sounds rather like Information Theory 101 < 1258666204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem part is unarguably "Information Theory 101" content; but it is a non-obvious consequence (though admittedly not so unexpected) that people actually add separate low-pass filters in. < 1258666222 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1258666271 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the low-pass filter block? Surely the card can't produce any frequencies above half the sample rate? < 1258666280 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it blocks the sharp transitions < 1258666293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure; for recording it obviously makes sense. < 1258666397 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1258666618 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *might* (and this is pure speculation) be there to filter out any D/A converter-caused high-frequency artifacts or noise, since (like you say) only the frequencies below half the sample rate can possibly contain any meaningful information. < 1258666633 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1258666654 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. to turn the steppiness of the digitiser into smooth waves < 1258666671 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we *want* the steppiness for the oscilloscope < 1258666770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've completely forgotten all the low-level signal processing delta-sigma-based DAC constructions. "A typical DAC converts the abstract numbers into a concrete sequence of impulses that are then processed by a reconstruction filter using some form of interpolation to fill in data between the impulses." It might be that the reconstruction filter is tuned to drop high frequencies there. < 1258667889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did they manage those shapes? I wasn't aware they could do that < 1258667946 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OS was in XY mode < 1258667959 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you just plot points with an appropriate signal < 1258667999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1258668080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, do those things use CRTs or what? < 1258668206 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oscilloscopes use CRTs traditionally < 1258668311 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1258668877 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they pretty much linearly map the input voltages into X/Y deflection. < 1258668885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though modern ones are pretty digital. < 1258668945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, about x/y how would you use voltage for *both*? < 1258668958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in XY mode < 1258668962 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two input wires? < 1258668965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for both in the XY mode; like Youscope did. < 1258668966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1258668967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, oh right < 1258668977 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one from the left channel, one from the right < 1258668978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left and right stereo channels in this case. < 1258668981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaaa I am slow. < 1258668985 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1258669024 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something so romantic about oscilloscopes. < 1258669029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those knobs to twiddle, you know. < 1258669071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1258669098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best part of the electronics lab course, and the DSP hardware course, was that one got to mess around with an oscilloscope. < 1258669241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and they sell those PC-based "oscilloscopes", or data-acquisition devices, nowadays; now that's as boring as anything, just a block you connect wires to, an USB cable to, and then run some messy Windows GUI app. < 1258669270 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-( < 1258669280 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :custom hardware is so much more fun! < 1258669294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, windows? :( < 1258669300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be ok if it worked with linux < 1258669325 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, it's not like I have done a thorough study; some of them might have Linux capabilities too. < 1258669332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason my work email address gets a lot of spam about data acquisition devices, though. < 1258669343 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need a DAD? < 1258669436 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WindowsÂź 7, Vista, XP or WindowsÂź 2000 operating system" for the first google-hit, USBee: http://www.usbee.com/dx.html#PC < 1258669481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course those can do a lot more tricks than your old 1970s CRT oscilloscope; for example, decode and visualize communications protocols. < 1258669528 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1258669567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Linux drivers for PicoScope 2000, 3000 and 5000 Series USB Oscilloscopes < 1258669567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At Pico we were one of the first test and measurement companies to provide Linux drivers. We hope that these new drivers for the PicoScope 2000, 3000 and 5000 Series of USB Oscilloscopes demonstrates our continued commitment to the Linux platform. < 1258669567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These drivers have been extensively tested on Fedora 8, Ubuntu 8.04 and openSUSE 10.3." < 1258669578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not *completely* Windows-only. < 1258669606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the drivers are binary-only blobs and possibly do not include any sort of real application in there. < 1258669630 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1258669817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Chrome OS source available... < 1258669860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May have to play with it sometime later. < 1258669911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1258670951 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1258671072 0 :adam_d_!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-6-190.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1258671306 0 :migomipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"co'o rodo" < 1258671715 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-142-102.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1258671999 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1258672160 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1258672359 0 :Rugxulo!n=user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1258672455 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd ~ < 1258672455 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls < 1258672456 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -la < 1258672458 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd < 1258672459 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd ~ < 1258672462 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls < 1258672463 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1258672466 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1258672471 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps himself < 1258672475 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1258672489 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, my bad my bad < 1258672726 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than the time I tried to login in as root and run shutdown without turning the screen on < 1258672731 0 :facsimile!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1258672737 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1258672961 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** ERROR: Too much concurrent IRC input. Shedding load. ** < 1258673167 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that channel wasn't logged, SimonRC? < 1258673550 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!seen ais523 < 1258673556 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bah, had to try) < 1258673623 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1258673627 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1258673638 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"!seen"? < 1258673692 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot command < 1258673867 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nomicers" ?? < 1258673912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomic-ers < 1258673964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a no-micer himself < 1258674162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nom-icers may not be unheard of either < 1258674805 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently ais523 hasn't been here in about six hours < 1258674816 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, nothing hugely important to report anyways ;-) < 1258674975 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric