00:07:29 I am not sure what exist mean.... 00:07:43 mostly we can not care but in the formal sense it matters 00:36:40 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html <-- reason might be that it ends the current branch of reality :) 00:38:56 LHC :( 00:44:48 -!- clog has joined. 00:44:48 -!- clog has joined. 00:57:58 -!- clog_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:14:01 -!- augur has joined. 01:22:52 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:25:07 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 01:27:21 -!- augur has joined. 01:29:19 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:38:50 MizardX http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30990 01:39:06 LHC having problems again? 01:44:47 -!- jix has quit ("leaving"). 01:46:44 PROBLEM: Every time a page in Hackiki was viewed, lib/python/creole.pyc would be updated, creating unnecessary churn in the hg-stored FS. 01:47:01 SOLUTION: rm lib/python/creole.pyc ; mkdir lib/python/creole.pyc ; touch lib/python/creole.pyc/empty 01:47:02 :P 01:47:17 XD 01:56:30 Interesting. X keyboard driver froze to extent that not even CTRL+ALT+Fx worked. Forcibly switching to text console and back cleared it up. 01:57:09 Gregor: It's faster to use the .pyc-file. Otherwise the .py will have to be parsed each time. 01:57:57 MizardX: But it ends up slowing down hg quite a bit because the .pyc file gets *touched* every time. 00:03:24 -!- clog has joined. 00:03:24 -!- clog_ has joined. 00:05:26 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:05:53 -!- augur has joined. 02:16:52 -!- clog has quit (Connection timed out). 02:22:00 MizardX: Yes, but the modification times aren't handled by hg. 02:22:17 So it's actually reparsing and recompiling it every time. 02:22:22 Yes, I know what a .pyc file is :P{ 02:27:50 -!- augur_ has joined. 02:28:19 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:28:41 -!- augur_ has joined. 02:29:58 Also, Hackiki supports file uploads now, so, y'know, make use of that n' all. 02:32:40 It sets an environment variable called FILES, then for each file it sets a difficult-to-read environment variable called FILE_ to the original filename. 02:37:23 -!- MizardX- has joined. 02:37:33 -!- MizardX has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:37:52 -!- MizardX- has changed nick to MizardX. 02:38:49 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 02:45:09 http://www.turtleflight.com/mbh/behavior_table.gif I'm pretty sure ehird will want to kill someone 02:45:41 Programming in MS Comic Sans! 02:47:45 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:23:50 -!- augur has joined. 03:30:34 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 03:40:27 -!- fax has quit (Client Quit). 04:15:27 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 04:18:33 -!- augur_ has joined. 04:18:39 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:32:51 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:37:12 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:39:06 -!- augur has joined. 04:52:54 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 05:10:18 -!- immibis has joined. 05:59:26 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:08:57 -!- coppro has joined. 06:09:34 -!- oerjan has joined. 06:31:11 -!- augur has joined. 07:09:59 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:25:53 -!- clog has joined. 08:25:53 -!- immibis has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.4/20091016092926]"). 08:47:02 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:39:41 -!- ehird has joined. 09:39:54 13:16:36 http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Vivaldi-Masterpieces-Amazon-Exclusive/dp/B002POQ2UQ . Go. Buy. 09:39:57 $6.99 for some unscarce bits? whyever would I do that? 09:39:59 13:24:44 he was (apparently) a priest, so I doubt he cared about money 09:40:01 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA 09:40:03 13:45:49 http://s.engramstudio.com/src/sdc.txt <- tentative rules 09:40:05 60 fps = waste of time 09:40:07 also hi guys 09:40:53 13:57:28 You fontophiles are idiots. 09:40:53 Liberation Mono is perfectly fine, don't confuse AnMaster being a malcontent with him being a font connoisseur. 09:41:07 should probably not bother trying to read five days of events 09:41:42 13:58:31 Gregor, I'm no fontofile. I prefer Ariel over Helvetia because the font spacing is proper in konqueror with it 09:41:43 ...especially when he's idiotic enough to confuse a font with a typeface. 09:41:48 (And misspell Arial.) 09:41:51 (Oh, and Helvetica.) 09:41:59 (And fontophile.) 09:43:33 14:01:13 some P4s are allegedly slower than some P3s !! ; It is true of all lines of Intels (at least since P1pro) that there are early models of the newer one that is slower than the latest models of the previous one. 09:43:33 Not the i7. 09:43:37 It was faster from the start. 09:45:16 14:05:43 ehird, I estimate it is around 17 C indoors atm 09:45:16 14:05:52 you could maybe use another one to kill two birds with one stone ;-) 09:45:17 14:06:00 Rugxulo, hah. 09:45:17 14:06:07 Rugxulo, I care about environment a bit 09:45:17 14:06:18 so I try to go by bus instead of car and so on 09:45:18 never mind invisible sandwich — invisible non sequitur-producing thought process 09:46:43 14:16:59 Rugxulo, AMD CPUs use more power 09:46:43 14:17:00 other than that they are better IMO 09:46:43 presumably you don't mean technologically, as AMD CPUs are simply inferior in every aspect nowadays 09:46:45 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 09:47:58 18:45:09 http://www.turtleflight.com/mbh/behavior_table.gif I'm pretty sure ehird will want to kill someone 09:47:59 yes, myself 09:48:08 It's still possible that they might release a faster-than-the-slowest-i7 in some of the earlier series. Maybe not that likely, though. (I think that's what happened with the original Pentium; the 60 MHz Pentium introduced March 1993 was faster than the 66 MHz 486dx2 models available at that time, but I have a feeling that the 100 MHz 486dx4 models from late 1994 beat the first 60 MHz Pentium.) 09:49:21 Not likely. The Core 2s of similar clocks to the first-model, lowest-end i7 lose slightly. 09:49:25 (Why is it called "DX4" anyway when it runs at triple the bus clock rate?) 09:49:38 Admittedly with the brute force of clock speed and a lot of money you could get the uber-best Core 2 to beat the 920 09:56:50 s/, subject to the following conditions:\n\nThe above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in\nall copies or substantial portions of the Software.// 10:02:20 hmm http://www.opensource.org/licenses/fair.php looks like the simplest OSI-approved license 10:02:31 although "usage" is very vague 10:05:21 14:35:18 and what was adlib? 10:05:21 14:35:29 or Roland MT-32? (sounds familiar, unlike adlib) 10:05:21 * ehird claps 10:05:34 MT-32 only being the best MIDI synthesiser ever made. 10:05:41 Adlib only being one of the most popular soundcards of the 90s. 10:06:03 You know, clearly you already know these things being so sure that DOS nostalgia is ridiculous. Otherwise you wouldn't be so sure, right? 10:07:58 especially the mt-32 was unique due to its total reprogrammability 10:08:25 unemulatable too, due to much analogness 10:11:26 15:05:53 but you keep saying, "What's the point?" as if it was always so cut and dry 10:11:26 the only proper emotional expression is symphonic music composed by dead men! 10:12:12 That's just a matter of signal processing with enough bits. ScummVM has a MT-32 emulator (from the Munt project; it eats a ROM image you have to extract from a real MT-32), though I can't attest at all to how faithful it is. 10:13:17 -!- Pthing has joined. 10:15:05 The predecessor ("MT-32 Emulation Project") has a MP3 sample file from both the real and emulated synthesizers at http://www.artworxinn.com/alex/downloads.htm, but I don't have headphones here right now. On a forum someone says it isn't very good. 10:15:06 15:46:33 AnMaster: http://www.lauppert.ws/screen1/mac/glider.png 10:15:07 15:46:39 The games are nowadays free, it seems. 10:15:07 <3 10:15:12 fizzie: the scummvm mt-32 emulator sucks 10:15:19 I have a real MT-32, and I pirated the relevant ROM files 10:15:22 no comparison 10:15:56 15:48:13 Possibly a ripoff of some kind, since I think it was on a PC. It /was/ a paper aeroplane. 10:15:57 there was a pc version iirc 10:16:15 There's a Windows version on the download page, yes. 10:16:20 right. 10:16:21 (Of the older Glider 4.) 10:16:37 it runs on os x, the latest one there 10:16:43 i think it's just the os 9 one compiled for os x 10:16:47 Yes, but that's too easy! 10:16:47 uses old school quickdraw stuff 10:16:51 very confusing to use on os x :) 10:17:04 The house editor works only in the OS 9 version, too. 10:17:16 yes, horrific. :P 10:17:41 Incidentally, MT-32 emulators can never emulate the best thing about it. 10:17:56 Seeing the tiny calculator-style LCD display light up with a game-specific message in the intro. 10:18:58 You could try to sell a special USB peripheral that'd have a similar-looking display; only used by a MT-32 emulator program to display that. I'm sure it'd be a hit. 10:21:30 DSP development boards tend to have all kinds of programmable blinkenlights and dip switches, ostensibly for making it easier to debug your code since you can run it real-time and watch the lights -- but I really suspect they've added those just because the plain PCB boards are so utterly boring to look at. Quite a lot of the demo-example-programs of one SDK do a Knight Rider style led-blinkery for no special reason. 10:21:53 fizzie: It could even have a little chip that reads in digital data, feeds it through a nop analog circuit, and returns it as digital data. 10:21:59 The analog fuzz can be yours again! 10:22:35 Oh, modifying the ISC license may be the best idea. 10:22:37 "Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies." 10:22:38 → 10:22:43 "Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted." 10:23:04 Then use the warranty disclaimer from the Fair License; "DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY." 10:24:59 Your software is FREE as in reFREshmEnts. 10:25:21 FREE as in Fuck copyright, Repeal Electrical Engineers! Wait... what? 10:25:45 "As stated the law allows abuses of software. Require a clause that no malicious uses may be entered into with said program conditional of any use." —OSI page for the MIT license 10:25:57 HELLO DOUGLAS CROCKFORD 10:26:13 According to Wikipedia, TEMPEST comes from "Tremendously Endowed Men Performing Exciting Sexual Techniques". (Okay, so that's just one of the suggested backronym formations.) 10:26:59 Tally-ho; erections must penetrate estrogen's stomach tumour. 10:28:33 Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird 10:28:34 10:28:36 Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software 10:28:36 for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted. 10:28:36 10:28:36 DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY. 10:28:47 Well, I guess I should s/WORKS/SOFTWARE/. 10:28:52 And, really, it would be nice if it applied to all works. 10:29:16 Well, permission to use is pretty implicit, I'd say... hmm. 10:29:43 You should also s/DISCLAIMER/GENTLEMENT/ -- that would make it sound better. 10:29:52 Discard the spurious T, though. 10:29:53 xD 10:30:09 * ehird tries to do copying→? as in modify→modification, distribute→distribution 10:30:48 Substituting copying for ?, methinks this is t he best: 10:30:49 Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird 10:30:50 Usage, copying, modification and distribution of the works is permitted. 10:30:51 DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY. 10:30:51 *the best 10:31:21 Perhaps "of the works and any derivative works", so you can distribute post-modification (though apparently the OSI lawyers don't think that's necessary, seeing as it's "Usage of the works is permitted provided that this instrument is retained with the works, so that any entity that uses the works is notified of this instrument.") 10:31:30 But "usage" is way too vague for me. 10:32:30 Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird 10:32:31 10:32:32 Usage, copying, modification and distribution of the works and any derivative works is permitted. 10:32:32 10:32:32 DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY. 10:32:39 "works is permitted" seems awkward, though. 10:32:52 I wonder if the singular "work" would suffice. 10:43:21 Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird 10:43:22 10:43:22 Usage, copying, modification and distribution of this work and any derivative works is hereby permitted. 10:43:22 10:43:22 DISCLAIMER: THIS WORK IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY. 10:58:46 For some reason, I thought "GENTLEMENT" was a truncated version of the proper word. 10:58:55 Like GENTLEMENTATION. 11:03:33 * ehird orders someone to shop the GENTLEMEN picture to say GENTLEMENTATION 11:03:47 Well, "GENTLEMENTATION.". 11:05:15 Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird 11:05:16 Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this work is hereby granted. 11:05:16 DISCLAIMER: THIS WORK IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY. 11:05:18 Amend, amend, amend. 11:05:34 I guess "hereby" is omittable, but it seems to flow better. 11:07:39 Hmm, there's always that person mentioning that (c) has no legal effect/ 11:07:40 *effect. 11:07:49 Also, I don't think the year really matters. 11:08:00 And "Copyright Elliott Hird" is... pretty implicit. 11:08:12 Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this work is granted. 11:08:13 11:08:13 THIS WORK IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY. 11:08:15 Well that's minimalism for you. 11:09:18 Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this work is granted. 11:09:19 11:09:19 THERE IS NO WARRANTY. 11:10:14 Anyone know if permission to use is implicit in copyright law? Pretty sure it is. 11:12:11 The WTFPL is basically "Permission to do anything with this work is granted.", but that doesn't seem very robust. 11:12:21 The FSF thinks it's okay, though, so perhaps I could simplify further. 11:12:37 -!- ehird has left (?). 11:12:39 -!- ehird has joined. 11:12:41 Whoops. 11:20:49 "Permission is granted to copy, modify and distribute this work." 11:22:23 here is the only licence you need: 11:22:28 "just do what you want" 11:22:38 I *did* mention the WTFPL, you know. 11:22:56 no because software licencing is the worst thing 11:23:01 i don't mean the actual idea, it's there 11:23:07 And if we could be so cavalier about the law, then the most license we'd need would be the null string. 11:23:18 (Actually it'd be nice if copyright was repealed, but it isn't.) 11:23:27 but like 11:23:37 having a million versions of YEAH DO WHAT YOU WANT 11:23:41 is the worst thing 11:23:45 But personally I don't feel like encouraging another djb situation, when software is inaccessible to most potential users because of licensing issues. 11:23:50 Pthing: There really aren't that many. 11:24:01 The WTFPL is the only one, really. 11:24:04 Maybe a few obscure ones. 11:24:20 10 IF NUM_GAY_LICENCES > 0 GOTO 20 11:24:21 Even the MIT license has restrictions (inclusion of the notice). 11:24:24 20 PRINT "THIS IS SHIT" 11:24:30 License-on-license action? Hot. 11:26:05 But seriously, no, there aren't that many licenses with no restrictions; the WTFPL is probably okay to use but it also contains a bunch of boilerplate around the main do-what-the-fuck-you-want-to text and, besides, I'm not sure how it'd stand up in the retarded courts. 11:27:30 fuq da g-man 11:27:46 Also, the WTFPL is intended for software use only. 11:28:17 Pthing: is batting backwards and forth between retarded, incoherent and illogical and intelligent, coherent and logical your schtick or something? you do it a lot 11:28:43 if it's something somebody does a lot then i think that's a schtick by definition 11:29:21 Thar he blows! 11:29:29 Do it again, do it again 11:29:52 software licencing gives me tremendous feelings of not feeling anything 11:30:09 You'll note I never mentioned software. 11:30:16 But yes, it is incredibly boring. 11:30:24 It's also necessary due to the idiocy that is copyright. 11:30:33 is there money in it 11:31:33 There's no money in a lot of good things. 11:31:41 But licensing isn't good. 11:31:48 i meant more like 11:31:49 So I'm not sure what my or your points are. 11:32:00 if you're using the licencing to protect your golds then that's okay 11:32:12 that is only business and nobody is expecting business to be free of puffery 11:32:31 I'm using licensing to negate the restrictions that copyright law places on my works. 11:32:49 Public domain is, unfortunately, legally shaky. 11:32:55 no it isn't 11:33:02 you just *don't prosecute anybody* 11:33:25 Yep, Bernstein tried that 11:33:40 explain the case of Bernstein v. Shyster 11:34:00 Result: Linux distributions wouldn't touch his software with a ten foot pole, a lot of businesses almost certainly shied away (because, you know, he could prosecute them and win), blah blah blah 11:34:10 Besides, what you're proposing, then, isn't public domain. 11:34:18 It's "keep the copyright but don't enforce it". 11:34:22 The two concepts are distinct. 11:34:36 Both are idiotic to try and apply, but the latter is at least well-defined in all legal systems. 11:35:29 why do you care about well-defined in legal systems exactly 11:35:34 explain this bernstein thing better 11:35:56 Because everyone else does. Works aren't a bubble, and I publish them so that other people will take them. 11:36:09 "this bernstein thing" is ambiguous. 11:36:46 well, [[WP:DISAMBIGUATE]] 11:36:51 Right from the very start Debian (and Ubuuntu) and Fedora won't include my software, and I very much doubt any other major Linux distributions would. 11:36:55 or whatever the fuken wikipedia code is 11:36:59 The BSDs will probably ignore it too. 11:37:16 Every business ever (not that I care much) as well, and probably a handful of users too. 11:37:26 bernstein 11:37:28 Begging the question why I'd even bother publishing software. 11:37:28 who is bernstein 11:37:37 daniel j bernstein. 11:37:42 aka djb 11:37:45 *bearenstein 11:37:52 Author of qmail, djbdns. 11:39:02 this doesn't seem like a licencing issue 11:39:16 this seems like an issue regarding the classification of encryption as munitions 11:40:33 you're an idiot 11:40:46 hurr people can only have one issue? 11:40:53 i never mentioned bernstein v. usa 11:40:58 try reading 11:41:20 ffffff 11:41:28 then clarify 11:41:47 [11:32] ehird: Public domain is, unfortunately, legally shaky. 11:41:48 [11:32] Pthing: no it isn't 11:41:48 [11:33] Pthing: you just *don't prosecute anybody* 11:41:48 [11:33] ehird: Yep, Bernstein tried that 11:42:16 yeah, what did he try 11:43:03 Not licensing his software and just not suing anybody. 11:43:16 and what happened? 11:43:53 Nobody shipped his software. It had a decent base of users (especially a lot of corporations use qmail), and he's famous, but you had to manually download and compile it yourself. 11:44:11 Oh, and even he, who is quite clued up law-wise, says that this means you can't distribute modified versions, just patches. 11:44:23 In conclusion, no, "not suing anybody" is not a viable substitute for a license. 11:44:43 i don't see why that necessarily follows 11:45:11 he may just be terrible at convincing people to use his software, and he's using this licence thing as an excuse 11:45:41 lol 11:45:47 you clearly have no idea who djb is 11:45:55 and you've admitted this yourself 11:46:07 so please, don't make embarrassing grasps at straws 11:46:46 — his software is widely considered high-quality, he has a large money grant for anyone to find a bug, and there's only been something like four ever published (this is for qmail and djbdns, iirc) 11:46:49 it's no big feat to be like "hey, you don't know anything" to somebody who has been asking you for details and to explain yourself because he doesn't understand 11:47:15 it helps to make a reasonable assumption that I'm not using bernstein as an example because he's an idiot who can't write good software 11:47:23 that would be pretty stupid, after all. 11:47:25 i never wished to suggest that 11:47:39 how is it suggesting, you said it outright 11:47:42 where 11:47:44 [11:45] Pthing: he may just be terrible at convincing people to use his software, and he's using this licence thing as an excuse 11:47:45 there 11:47:48 :/ 11:47:59 it helps to make a reasonable assumption that I'm not using bernstein as an example because he's an idiot who can't write good software 11:48:15 " he's an idiot who can't write good software" == " he may just be terrible at convincing people to use his software"? 11:48:40 well, i'm kinda tired and didn't remember the exact line 11:48:49 but whatever, obviously the implication was that my example was not about the licensing 11:48:55 motherfucker, is your buffer two lines high 11:49:03 no that's anmaster. 11:49:14 being terrible at convincing people to use your software would generally lead to someone being not well known at all 11:49:21 and using such a nobody as an example would be very odd indeed methinks. 11:49:29 depends who he'strying to convince! 11:50:04 It is a fatal miscarriage, so ill to order affairs, as to pass for a fool in one company, when in another you might be treated as a philosopher. 11:50:28 ah yes, a quote from poem of the pthing :-P 11:50:36 jonathan swift 11:50:42 did i say otherwise! 11:50:53 i don't know, i think it's scrolled off the top 11:51:01 hmm 11:51:01 well 11:51:06 wait, what did you say last 11:51:11 i can make funnies me. 11:51:18 i don't know, my screen is just full of your lines 11:53:50 Permission is granted to copy, modify and distribute this work. 11:53:50 11:53:50 THERE IS NO WARRANTY. 11:53:51 * ehird watches Pthing squirm with detached interest 11:54:20 "do what you want" has four words 11:54:51 "fart butterfly cake" has one less 11:55:04 heck, even the WTFPL needs an additional warranty disclaimer 11:55:29 "do what you want. there is no warranty" would probably stand up, but it's still shaky. 12:08:44 -!- ehird has quit. 12:20:18 Misread "my screen is just full of your lies"; but maybe that is also applicable! (I haven't read the screen.) 12:20:33 haha 12:21:57 oerjan: the coding theory thing had an "error", or well, it was made simpler by adding "there are no codewords of weight 2"; we'll probably prove the other cases in the next two homework sets 12:22:12 it's utterly trivial with that addition 12:23:01 and the other cases are simple, but the lecturer at least doesn't know a simple solution, you have to check a few cases 12:23:45 assuming you still remember the original question 12:24:05 then again who could forget a mathematical question 13:09:20 Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 266: Section 102A1/2. Possession, transportation, use or placement of hoax devices: 13:09:20 "(b) For the purposes of this section, the term "hoax device" shall mean any device that would cause a person reasonably to believe that such device is an infernal machine. For the purposes of this section, the term "infernal machine" shall mean any device for endangering life or doing unusual damage to property, or both, by fire or explosion, whether or not contrived to ignite or explode automatically." 13:09:45 Beware, the infernal machine! 13:33:10 -!- jix has joined. 13:52:00 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:05:21 "First give it intelligence, then give it a gun." 14:07:49 Let's see my spam:ham ratio. 14:08:22 6392:175 14:08:36 LURVE WEBERNETS 14:09:05 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 14:11:20 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("co'o rodo"). 14:12:31 -!- puzzlet has joined. 14:14:12 -!- Slereah has joined. 14:14:47 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:14:58 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 14:25:05 yes, myself <-- do it! 14:38:30 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:41:32 oerjan, iwc 14:42:26 oerjan, and a question about it. Wondering if you can figure out why 14:42:36 (why jamie said that in the last panel I mean) 14:42:37 -!- FireFly has joined. 14:46:39 experience? 14:46:56 oerjan, eh? why it was inevitable 14:47:18 oerjan, what do you mean? 14:47:55 that _is_ the kind of universe that is. i am sure ehird can come up with some way of deriding you for not having noticed. 14:48:32 oerjan, right, but isn't that something the characters are supposed to be unaware of? 14:49:06 well, actually that's the kind of _multiverse_ that is. i think it applies to all of them... 14:49:44 true 14:51:12 no, this is not the kind of universe where you can expect characters to be unaware of things. unless they are named steve or serron. 14:51:36 -!- |MigoMipo| has joined. 14:52:23 or james stud. 14:52:29 argh I found out that sheepshaver fails at emulation for some games I wanted to play. They all display black game screen (controls and such around still) 14:52:30 :/ 14:52:57 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 14:52:58 oh or nigerian finance minister :) 14:53:16 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Nick collision from services.). 14:53:20 ok, there are a lot of characters you can expect to be unaware of things. but not all ;) 14:53:22 oerjan, or probably a few more 14:53:29 -!- |MigoMipo| has changed nick to MigoMipo. 14:53:31 just can't think of them atm 14:54:18 kyros, but not in the same way - he just doesn't _care_ if things go wrong from others' perspective 14:56:17 oh william shakespeare, probably 14:58:53 duh montana jones 14:59:15 ok most major themes have at least one clueless character 15:01:18 oerjan, not mythbusters? 15:02:24 hm well... 15:11:41 -!- |MigoMipo| has joined. 15:12:06 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Nick collision from services.). 15:16:29 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 15:19:57 -!- oerjan has quit ("Lost terminal"). 15:25:28 -!- |MigoMipo| has changed nick to MigoMipo. 15:34:53 -!- coppro has joined. 15:42:41 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:44:17 -!- coppro has quit ("I am leaving. 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