< 1256342402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly[DS], can you type åäöÅÄÖ? < 1256342402 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to pluralise smiley correctly < 1256342402 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1256342402 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :åäö < 1256342403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256342407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :é ? < 1256342413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idé < 1256342418 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though with a ugly hack < 1256342421 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1256342423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly[DS], what hack? < 1256342426 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1256342439 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defined å, ä and ö as "macro" thingies < 1256342440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256342442 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can insert them with alt-1, alt-2 and alt-3 < 1256342474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly[DS], Look there → ← In between those arrows. (See them on the DS?) < 1256342480 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The client supports DCC, logging, and some other awesome stuff < 1256342496 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<01:00:26> FireFly[DS], Look there → ← In between those arrows. (See them on the DS?) < 1256342499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, so does my bouyncer < 1256342500 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That line showed up as < 1256342506 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1256342512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, as correctly? < 1256342513 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As åt' and åth < 1256342519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1256342520 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though a stranger h < 1256342523 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, not correctly :P < 1256342523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, unicode fail < 1256342530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly < 1256342534 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, it fails at ASCII åäö too :P < 1256342539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, oh? < 1256342539 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1256342546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are not ASCII < 1256342550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are ISO-something < 1256342557 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, whatever < 1256342564 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCIIish < 1256342572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unibyte encoding yes < 1256342595 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the DSOrganize client I used before can handle åäö correctly < 1256342600 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode åäö, that is < 1256342606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1256342607 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also input them < 1256342616 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being able to set up your own charmap manually in config files < 1256342628 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I altered it to wannabe-svorak (had to change some stuff for it to fit) < 1256342639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okt 14 00:04:58 ⎧ n + 1 if m = 0 < 1256342639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okt 14 00:04:58 A(m,n) = ⎨ A(m - 1, 1) if m > 0 and n = 0 < 1256342639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okt 14 00:04:58 ⎩ A(m - 1, A(m, n - 1)) if m > 0 and n > 0 < 1256342645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, how does that show up there < 1256342652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bets: horrible < 1256342657 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1256342659 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, quite horrible, yeah < 1256342665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, and does it show up well on your normal computer? < 1256342670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, fail how? < 1256342678 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line spacing is too big < 1256342682 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaps < 1256342737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, not here < 1256342739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/vMmtzYw < 1256342743 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256342749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(old reference rendering) < 1256342765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, what is "haha" about? < 1256342774 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1256342777 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fax, not here" < 1256342780 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's laughing at your attempt to render equations < 1256342788 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256342800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, no, at your failure to handle the perfectly fine unicode :P < 1256342801 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256342817 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link looks hell of different from what I saw < 1256342832 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay piecewise < 1256342844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, then your font fails, your unicode support fails, or you aren't using monospaced font (even more fail) < 1256342857 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::OOOOOOO < 1256342857 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::OOOOOOO < 1256342867 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am PUZZLED by this turn of events < 1256342877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, you are always anyway < 1256342881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't seem to matter < 1256342891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or make a difference) < 1256342907 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256342913 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i unban ehird? < 1256342956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, your choice < 1256342985 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is < 1256342990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, hm? < 1256342992 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't do it, i'll forget about it < 1256342995 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there's no easy way to search for something that matches a regex in SQL? < 1256342998 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i'll never do it < 1256343025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, what about if and only if this renders like in the reference drawing (url in a few seconds): < 1256343028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okt 14 00:04:58 ⎧ n + 1 if m = 0 < 1256343028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okt 14 00:04:58 A(m,n) = ⎨ A(m - 1, 1) if m > 0 and n = 0 < 1256343028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okt 14 00:04:58 ⎩ A(m - 1, A(m, n - 1)) if m > 0 and n > 0 < 1256343031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/vMmtzYw < 1256343036 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o lament < 1256343038 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesnt < 1256343048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, ah. Unicode issues? < 1256343050 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeha < 1256343059 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using putty < 1256343067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I would say "FAIL" but what if your +o, I don't < 1256343068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256343072 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*n=ehird@212.183.134.* < 1256343082 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are all those other entries in the ban list? < 1256343101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, the ones you forgot? < 1256343107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, just kidding < 1256343107 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1256343112 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256343115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I think some were trolls < 1256343116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1256343159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, not sure I would say "all those" < 1256343168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 6 < 1256343461 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.134.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256343527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wb < 1256343528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1256343547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the second time you've said night today. < 1256343565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yeah. But I didn't use an arrow yet did I ? < 1256343582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the same line that is) < 1256343600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now however: < 1256343601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↫ night < 1256343825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other friendly front-ends to Linux, including the K Desktop Environment (KDE), but Gnome is quickly becoming the GUI of choice to run on top of Linux. < 1256343825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't think KDE has a future at this point, it's not completely free yet and it's bound to a single programming language in Unix. Gnome from the very beginning has been accessible through any language. We are providing the GUI for all the languages and programmers can choose the language they like the most," says Miguel. < 1256343834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1999 < 1256343841 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's an Ackermann function. < 1256343908 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I say to imply that the thing I wrote on a random whiteboard was also an Ackermann function. < 1256343931 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1256343987 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I wrote was A(0,n) = n+1, A(m,0) = A(m-1,m) for m > 0, A(m,n) = A(m-1,A(m,n-1)) for m, n > 0, or something like that. < 1256344520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you really must, pirate, feel guilty and don't lie to yourself." // boy, having sound economic arguments against copyright sure does help me sleep easy < 1256344541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1256345849 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256345902 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heylo ehird < 1256345911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Olyeh < 1256345920 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ole! < 1256345930 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine there is an accent on the e < 1256345948 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ClIRC - IRC client for Nintendo DS" < 1256345971 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256345983 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why...why does everyone in my life leave me? < 1256345992 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( why ) < 1256346180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using a zinc toothpaste < 1256346201 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks, I do not know the effect zinc would have on my dentata < 1256346237 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1256346248 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256346269 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagina dentata? < 1256346287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my how opulent we are today < 1256346289 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256346304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: my first thought :/ < 1256346305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp3 download so slow ;__; < 1256346308 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my...my gods, do those with vagina dentata brush their teeth? < 1256346312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slow that I use two underscores ;__; < 1256346313 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256346326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have to go brush my vagina now." < 1256346351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: you mean, both sets? i think using two different toothbrushes might be in order < 1256346365 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, certainly, oerjan < 1256346378 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird, I hate it when she uses that excuse < 1256346381 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oy! < 1256346433 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1256346461 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now, peeps? < 1256346503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you must peep i can't stop you < 1256346520 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peeps behave yourself? < 1256346540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never! < 1256346568 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd best, or ah'll have to ask me peeps for the whip! < 1256346573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah so SLOW < 1256346583 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, ehird < 1256346592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean this sp3 download < 1256346594 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as if they're designed against that < 1256346596 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh < 1256346789 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-182.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1256347203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even downloading at all, I don't think so < 1256349100 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1256349651 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1256350027 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1256350037 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing much, why? < 1256350590 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256350608 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come oranjer always leaves before i show yp? < 1256350610 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1256351151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1256352083 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1256355109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.idefex.net/b3takhan/graphs/ffffffffffffu*.png < 1256355234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody's ripping off Ryan North :P < 1256355326 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there needs to be a 3 dimensional graph, for number of f's and number of u's < 1256355333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cba < 1256355338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The Kha*n thing predates that < 1256355344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does that graph generator < 1256355351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RYAN NORTH IS AN IMITATOR < 1256355359 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Womp womp < 1256355376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be fun to have a 3d graph though < 1256355382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wasn't lazy i'd do it in mathematica < 1256355409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. < 1256355411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess! < 1256355889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spiralling staircase of uncut grass! < 1256356155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stali.suckless.org/ has made me want to play around with compiling linux kernels < 1256357716 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1256357842 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1256357844 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1256357862 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256360358 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1256360393 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@74.243.217.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256360475 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256360490 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here? < 1256360905 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, tell me the news < 1256360906 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: so with all this in mind, please look at the very beginning of the article. we don't have an article about settlements, fnord or fnord. < 1256360913 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256360915 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1256361019 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts worshiping the shit < 1256361034 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy Oranjer < 1256361084 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bows* < 1256361118 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay me < 1256361123 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy Sgeo < 1256361435 0 :augur!n=augur@216.164.33.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256361489 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no augur oh shit oh shit < 1256361501 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey you < 1256361507 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256361514 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more of your silly ideas < 1256361518 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256361529 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my second best pick-up line, actually < 1256361538 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1256361541 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you hitting on me? < 1256361543 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1256361546 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, no < 1256361546 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256361550 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1256361554 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a sexy gay boy? < 1256361561 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( what ) < 1256361567 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a simple question! < 1256361573 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sexy, gay, and a boy < 1256361582 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1256361588 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm scared...) < 1256361591 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:O) < 1256361600 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well stop hitting on me then! :| < 1256361606 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1256361610 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't ahhh < 1256361619 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you linguists read to much into things ahhhh < 1256361620 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256361647 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256361659 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its more that ive been on a kick lately fucking with people like that < 1256361666 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor kids in in proggit < 1256361668 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh okay uhhh < 1256361675 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what that means but okay < 1256361683 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNEE WAYS < 1256361710 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my silly ideas! yay! < 1256361717 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1256361740 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably ask you, as I have heard it is a sorta-controversial thing amongst linguists < 1256361760 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no controversy! :O < 1256361763 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your stance on the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis? < 1256361766 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256361789 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extent to which it "exists" is boringly uninteresting. < 1256361828 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the controversy, or the phenomena described by the Hypothesis? < 1256362040 0 :Oranjer1!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256362060 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur < 1256362064 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you say < 1256362066 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed it < 1256362085 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the S-W hypothesis. < 1256362098 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extent to which it exists is boring. < 1256362107 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256362111 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaay! < 1256362136 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1256362165 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaay new silly ideas < 1256362171 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bisociation"!!!! < 1256362226 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256362332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUsdhasiufhdiuhsiguhsdfg < 1256362334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're talking! < 1256362339 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur ehird what < 1256362342 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ehird < 1256362348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, about the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis < 1256362351 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256362354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a stupid hypothesis. < 1256362358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost entirely debunked < 1256362359 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why were not talking about it anymore. < 1256362361 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we have moved on < 1256362364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what little remains is entirely unfun! < 1256362365 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1256362365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1256362367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move on some more < 1256362369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256362376 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh < 1256362384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sapir-whorf is kinda like one of those things i sorta wish was true < 1256362387 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have moved on to Sociology! :O < 1256362396 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so im watching Moon < 1256362397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also quantum tunneling for FTL transmission < 1256362397 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like < 1256362410 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, augur? < 1256362414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the name of that movie < 1256362415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"moon" < 1256362419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has completely monopolised < 1256362421 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was just thinking of that word) < 1256362424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that name < 1256362425 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're doing the whole "space mission so we have to send recorded videos and blah blah blah so far away no communication oh no isolation D:" < 1256362426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and removed it from the pool < 1256362430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of all future moon-related movies < 1256362436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does this JUST BECAUSE IT CAN < 1256362437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"moon" < 1256362439 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moonshot < 1256362443 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE moon" < 1256362443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation to all lunar-related movie makers: < 1256362444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FUCK YOU" < 1256362452 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The SkyRock" < 1256362458 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with this little scenario is < 1256362460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nightstar... wait" < 1256362467 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moon is only 2 seconds away by radio < 1256362469 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That thing in space that SURROUNDS us" < 1256362473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: A movie? < 1256362474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1256362476 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256362476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNREALISTIC? < 1256362477 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't using radio, augur < 1256362480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h o l y < 1256362481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s h i t < 1256362484 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're using smoke signals < 1256362485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP < 1256362486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE < 1256362487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRESSeS < 1256362488 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN SPACE < 1256362489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256362490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH A CAPITAL E < 1256362491 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just like < 1256362494 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon man < 1256362500 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes five seconds to look this kind of thing up < 1256362502 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know, augur < 1256362505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: would you prefer they called it < 1256362513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andromeda 33C-01/22348576-4 < 1256362516 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldve at least put the base around jupiter or saturn or something < 1256362518 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait--how do we know it's our moon? can he see earth from that? < 1256362518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon 74 < 1256362519 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256362529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that way it would take time for the messages to travel to earth < 1256362535 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1256362536 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we can < 1256362539 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its THE moon. < 1256362540 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Oranjer < 1256362541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moon is nicer than those places, though. < 1256362542 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luna. < 1256362547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all rocky and grey! < 1256362548 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1256362555 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saturn > ALL < 1256362556 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1256362557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...like an emo kid... < 1256362564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sort of < 1256362565 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an emo kid. < 1256362570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm not :P < 1256362575 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256362578 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emo ehird < 1256362582 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are < 1256362582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emohird < 1256362589 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youve got long black hair < 1256362589 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eemhird < 1256362589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: HOWSO < 1256362591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1256362593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is dark brown < 1256362594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1256362595 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you look like you're gay but swear you're not < 1256362595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256362598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256362598 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1256362599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't? < 1256362617 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now now, that is no way to talk to an emo herd! < 1256362622 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you complain all the time about people mistreating you because they just dont understand < 1256362626 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might cause a suicidal stampede! < 1256362629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cut cut cut cut CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT* < 1256362633 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256362634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUTCUT < 1256362638 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256362643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S COMING FOR YOU < 1256362654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suddenly, My Chemical Romance plays* < 1256362655 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut < 1256362655 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut < 1256362655 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut < 1256362655 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cut < 1256362655 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cut < 1256362657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everyone melts* < 1256362658 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CUT < 1256362659 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CUT < 1256362660 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256362660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*horror* < 1256362663 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1256362664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CUT < 1256362668 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen galipokas little video with that at the end? < 1256362672 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, no? < 1256362683 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a cutting stampede? < 1256362691 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1256362694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutting edge < 1256362694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amirite < 1256362695 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with making fun of emo kids < 1256362701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making fun of emo kids? HOW NOVEL < 1256362731 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end he plays a very brief clip with the "i think im emo" song, and a video of him sawing at his wrists with a pair of plastic safety scissors < 1256362757 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1256362765 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see an emo kid use a saw < 1256362767 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1256362791 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an emo kid falls off a church roof, arms stretched out, and his wrists land on upturned saw blades < 1256362792 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256362805 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one witnesses this < 1256362842 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an emo kid kills himself in the woods < 1256362846 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he make a sound? < 1256362873 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he screams < 1256362883 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, he cries < 1256362890 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame response < 1256362892 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never been able to tell the difference < 1256362894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DISCOVERED < 1256362895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW TO FLY < 1256362900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS IN FACT THE SAME WAY AS YOU DIE. < 1256362902 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY EHIRD EHIRD THE BIRD < 1256362910 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decapitation? < 1256362911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY < 1256362924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, spontaneous quantum existence failure < 1256362926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1256362933 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't die from that! < 1256362943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can, with enough luck < 1256362947 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1256362958 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no luck in quantum mechanics! HA < 1256362960 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1256363084 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay new subject < 1256363096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this rapid-fire subjectness < 1256363101 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoughts on: religion! < 1256363118 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, this is gonna get one of us killed, I know it < 1256363145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit, bunkum, designed to control the masses, unfalsifiable, god of the gaps is rapidly failing, yawn < 1256363153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay new subject < 1256363155 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, we got one opinion < 1256363160 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT WHERE IS AUGUR < 1256363165 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching Moon < 1256363165 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE MUST KNOW < 1256363168 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont you pay attention? < 1256363168 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry < 1256363170 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256363187 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you suck at linguistics. < 1256363189 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all. < 1256363191 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were being metaphysical or whatever, like you were watching it in your head < 1256363193 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256363203 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no way to talk to a stranger! < 1256363213 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one should be a cock to a stranger, *ever*. < 1256363287 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see i see < 1256363287 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not that they screwed up ehird < 1256363287 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1256363287 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1256363287 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the satellite that normally would relay life communications is "down" < 1256363290 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256363292 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256363296 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, smoke signals! < 1256363322 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, ehird < 1256363333 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we gonna do about: childhood indoctrination? < 1256363335 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256363382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for the religious to die off. < 1256363401 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or move to the uk < 1256363402 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't happen--*they don't believe in birth control!* :O < 1256363412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugenics! < 1256363414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{ < 1256363416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1256363419 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everyone* can't move to the uk < 1256363426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't move to the UK— it's shit < 1256363443 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, eugenics would hardly fix childhood gullibility < 1256363446 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256363450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd stop the religious breeding :P < 1256363465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, with a sufficiently brutal program. of course the ethics of that could be debated, but MAD SCIENTIST TIME!) < 1256363473 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR SCIENCE < 1256363477 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no, that can't work < 1256363479 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they outnumber us < 1256363487 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they control missiles and shit < 1256363497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm assuming you're in a position of authority < 1256363502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. dictator < 1256363502 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256363509 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume I am a street urchin, of course < 1256363512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least with a similar-minded governmental body < 1256363516 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume you are you and I am I < 1256363526 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we stop childhood indoctrination??? < 1256363527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: serial killing, followed by suicide as the only way to fix your now permanently damaged psyche < 1256363530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1256363533 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1256363536 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, won't work < 1256363544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly < 1256363551 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be acting as an "atheist role model" < 1256363575 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would just give the religious an excuse to shove GAAAWD down the kid's throats < 1256363582 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more than it is < 1256363613 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird, I doubt you've actually thought this out--are you even trying anymore? or have you given up? < 1256363614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serial killing = every single religious person, naturally < 1256363631 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256363632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you want real solutions? < 1256363636 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1256363650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :singularity! has some side-effects. may contain peanuts. < 1256363670 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we hasten the Singularity, wonderful < 1256363674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :side-effects include complete extinction of humanity as we know it, earth becoming a minor datapoint, etc etc etc, do not use while pregnant < 1256363692 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas how to do that by 2030? < 1256363741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1256363741 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im working on it < 1256363750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: what, by studying linguistics? < 1256363753 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256363754 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well < 1256363756 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1256363780 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho ho ho hee hee! hee! < 1256363788 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what, augur? < 1256363789 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haa haa haa < 1256363793 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256363804 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1256363808 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to continue the whole < 1256363812 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Am the Walrus < 1256363815 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing that you had there < 1256363820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elaborate on "im working on it" :P < 1256363842 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1256363843 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not really < 1256363844 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1256363853 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i /am/ working on something that might have applications in that domain < 1256363855 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a limit extent < 1256363864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that apply to like < 1256363867 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry, I didn't notice the Walrus in the room, sorry < 1256363868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of all science < 1256363868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1256363871 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256363874 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELL US AUGUR < 1256363882 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1256363884 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1256363886 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO lose? your dignity? < 1256363887 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean more directly, ehird. < 1256363894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: your caps lock? < 1256363894 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1256363899 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1256363900 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i could lose that. < 1256363904 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1256363929 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the work i do on linguistics also involves a conceptual system < 1256363930 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already did, use Enso! < 1256363941 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be extendable to some AI tasks < 1256363950 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay? < 1256363955 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you asked! < 1256363972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure enso damages your hands (also it's unmaintained) < 1256363996 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that too < 1256363998 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256364019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damages your hands = typing text while holding capslock < 1256364023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your left hand will looooooove you < 1256364038 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1256364043 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew? < 1256364048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256364049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like that < 1256364052 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewww < 1256364056 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ensophile! < 1256364057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the "OH GOD THE CRIPPLING PAIN" kind < 1256364058 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256364060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's still ambiguous < 1256364061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1256364062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256364063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fuck < 1256364063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1256364064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1256364065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm stopping < 1256364066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thread < 1256364067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now < 1256364067 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1256364069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new topic < 1256364069 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAH < 1256364074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW TOPIC < 1256364074 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new topic calL! < 1256364076 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enso is boringly simple. < 1256364081 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and useless < 1256364084 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW TPOCI < 1256364091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boringly simple is a pretty good praise of usability < 1256364098 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who shall suggest the next topic? < 1256364104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring = i didn't notice it bother me, simple = i didn't have to think much < 1256364107 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aza raskin makes me want to punch him in the face < 1256364110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course useless is rather less praisey.... < 1256364110 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he talks artificially < 1256364110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY < 1256364113 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's that? < 1256364117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is cool :( < 1256364124 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with the Aza to you, punk? < 1256364131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although jef is cooler < 1256364133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1256364133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was < 1256364134 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1256364136 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a nice IDEA < 1256364150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enso was like the prototype for ubiquity, except ubiquity makes you use firefox; eww. < 1256364154 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its ... useless < 1256364157 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also! < 1256364170 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, firefox's awesome bar removes most of the use of ubiquity < 1256364176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1256364176 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome, really < 1256364177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1256364181 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1256364182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do anything ubiquity does < 1256364187 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1256364187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ubiquity postdates the awesomebar < 1256364192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm < 1256364193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail :D < 1256364197 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1256364206 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256364218 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................... < 1256364223 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW TOPIC SUBJECT < 1256364273 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to build an agent program. < 1256364279 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "agent" < 1256364288 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256364295 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observer, User < 1256364295 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1256364297 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256364300 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you know" < 1256364302 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bullshit" < 1256364306 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those things that chases renegages through the matrix! < 1256364306 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm calling it" < 1256364310 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256364317 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256364349 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Captain! What do we do now!" "Don't Worry--we'll just have to RE-ENGAGE!" < 1256364350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antecedent bricks, i should sleep soon :) < 1256364364 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by that i mean < 1256364364 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_agent < 1256364427 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that has a relatively general understanding of the workings of the computer's software (in the sense that quicksilver does) < 1256364469 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which can be issued complex commands (preferably verbally) that might require a more complicated process than simply issuing a single method call to something < 1256364475 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Agent, Open my Email." "I can't do that, Augur." < 1256364477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speech recognition sucks. < 1256364483 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does :( < 1256364491 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /now/ it sucks < 1256364496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, i think clearer while i type < 1256364499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fuck speech recog < 1256364506 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can type if you want :p < 1256364507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haptic input, and then straight to brain control < 1256364513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the rest is fluff < 1256364516 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1256364518 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUI! NUI! < 1256364530 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to try and get something that can take complex linguistic commands and execute them < 1256364541 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1256364545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires strong ai < 1256364548 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1256364555 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, look < 1256364562 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use a formalized English or whatever? with a rigid structure? < 1256364563 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick silver is like a very primitive version of this < 1256364574 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a small, but powerful lexicon of nouns and verbs < 1256364587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksilver doesn't let you issue natural commands at all < 1256364591 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can, /effective/y, feed it simple sentences < 1256364607 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the / acts as an l < 1256364609 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse theyre in the weird quicksilver dialect, but < 1256364643 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i intend would be something like quicksilver, in that it has a "vocabulary" of sorts < 1256364655 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more accurately < 1256364671 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a subset of english as its grammar < 1256364676 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1256364683 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S-V-Modifiers! < 1256364684 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a well defined QS-like set of hooks into other applications < 1256364689 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaayyy < 1256364703 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooks which, in this case, interface not with a surface grammatical form like in QS < 1256364711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead with a decomposed semantic representation < 1256364722 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is defined over the grammar < 1256364748 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256364802 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres actually a fairly powerful technique called frame semantics that's been used for automatic story comprehension < 1256364806 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(back in the 70s) < 1256364825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to sleep soon < 1256364828 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256364834 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough so that the system can actually use its frame semantic knowledge to take a story about a guy going to a restaurant via train and bus < 1256364840 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then "going home" < 1256364847 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256364848 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even tho he had no money < 1256364853 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1256364855 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you ask the system how he got home if he has no money < 1256364865 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computer will say "he probably had a return ticket!" < 1256364870 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256364882 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it actually infers beyond what is explicit to what is reasonably deducible < 1256364897 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pay for my taxi, FS." "I can't do that, Dave." < 1256364902 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has a collection of situational frames that < 1256364926 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I would call that anologous relational structures < 1256364929 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaay < 1256364941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: tl;dr almost all of it is hardcoded < 1256364951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teaching it about everything = wooooooooooooon't work < 1256364963 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, much of the frame semantic knowledge is hard coded < 1256364966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its stuff like < 1256364979 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"train-trips frame" < 1256364981 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1256364999 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which encodes things like who does what etc before during and after a train trip < 1256365000 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so forth < 1256365006 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer that can bisociate? wonderful! < 1256365017 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have a system that can calculate over that < 1256365030 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how far are you, augur? < 1256365033 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256365039 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the systems ive seen are indeed limited < 1256365041 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1256365048 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not looking to make AI from this < 1256365057 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im saying it'd make an interesting quicksilver-like app < 1256365067 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oookay < 1256365076 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what *are* you actually doing? < 1256365085 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a set of frame semantics + a linguistic engine < 1256365098 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can issue complex commands that are consistent with the frame semantic knowledge the program has < 1256365102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the program will execute it < 1256365120 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like a hybrid between quicksilver, applescript, and automator < 1256365125 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256365130 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are you doing? < 1256365139 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching startrek! :| < 1256365161 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean what am i doing < 1256365218 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing, with all these ideas and whatnot for frame thingies and stuff? < 1256365241 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1256365245 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe we asked you what you were working on to hasten the Singularity to end religious indoctrination in children < 1256365252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im working on the conceptual semantic stuff < 1256365259 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that's cool < 1256365274 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be necessary for a proper linguistic engine < 1256365279 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256365284 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT could then be used to construct the agent app < 1256365286 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you play a infernal offshoot of The Price Is Right? < 1256365307 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by...guessing absurdly large amounts of money? < 1256365307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... < 1256365312 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you had to beat the Grim Reaper at one of these games to avoid death, which one would you prefer: chess, poker, or mahjong? < 1256365314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to answer that < 1256365316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256365319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1256365320 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess < 1256365328 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less luck then poker or mahjong < 1256365335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poker, obviously death is perfect at the other two < 1256365335 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either, but in order to know how to play, you have to know the rules, too, I guess. < 1256365338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and poker is the most chance-based < 1256365342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have the best chance < 1256365350 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ehird does make a good point < 1256365375 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why should we assume the ol' Grimmy is the best at chess and mahjong? < 1256365380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if there's a grim reaper there's probably an afterlife dealie of some sort, so i wouldn't care too much < 1256365388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: because he's post-mortal. < 1256365393 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harrumph < 1256365394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supernatural. antitranscendent. < 1256365395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1256365401 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could never have been alive, ya know < 1256365406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :demon lord of the underworld. well, that's more satan < 1256365406 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merely supernatural < 1256365407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1256365407 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, these are good point. I thought of it too, of course. But I got the idea at first from something in a list of adventure ideas for D&D game < 1256365417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odds are better that he's better than me, imo. < 1256365420 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh okay < 1256365426 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, okay, you win there ehird < 1256365559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows VM fun: oh fuck off, IE, I installed your update, so leave me alone and don't aadd me to my goddamn quick launch < 1256365568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee hee this is amusing in some sick, twisted way < 1256365616 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? intrusive software? < 1256365626 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah! that's why I'm an advocate of 'permission marketing' < 1256365633 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, i didn't make that one up < 1256365644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean < 1256365699 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I also want to know what it means because I don't quite understand completely either. < 1256365700 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh google maybe < 1256365712 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I will get you the wikiwiki link uh okay < 1256365725 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permission_marketing < 1256365726 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh okay < 1256365762 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found the same link < 1256365764 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that intrusive software is an expected result of living in a culture infested with interruptive marketing < 1256365789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: you're boring! < 1256365794 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, ehird < 1256365794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's the OS's fault. < 1256365819 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256365830 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) < 1256365895 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey augur what do you think about: E-prime! < 1256365897 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256365926 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its stupid < 1256365934 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wrote a Linux distribution, which things would you change? < 1256365936 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...thanks, augur < 1256365945 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or a completely new OS) < 1256365948 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea, zzo38 < 1256365954 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a completely new OS? < 1256365966 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it a physics based grammar! yaaaay < 1256365991 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256366002 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1256366045 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the the human-computer interaction based entirely on conditionals represented through the physical placement of objects along any number of scales < 1256366055 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1256366090 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! I can do that too! < 1256366092 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1256366098 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*raspberry* < 1256366102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1256366102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256366118 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merely stating the contradiction without adding anything to the discussion < 1256366134 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no contradiction < 1256366135 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. yes. no. YES. NO. AARFGGHSKF That is how wars are started! < 1256366141 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you used an imperative. < 1256366149 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i simply said no to that imperative. < 1256366154 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha! < 1256366159 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, fair enough < 1256366164 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn loopholes, though < 1256366183 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a linguist. < 1256366196 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1256366201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pork < 1256366202 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing something with frames < 1256366211 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION porks ehird < 1256366217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256366222 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a linguist. Doing something with frames!" (copyright) < 1256366235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a linguist < 1256366236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :framing your mother < 1256366242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what < 1256366247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1256366274 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1256366495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay install sp 3 like a magic < 1256366513 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh okay < 1256366548 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey uh I am gone for a bit see you later uh okay < 1256366603 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-151-12.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256367206 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Asztal! < 1256367209 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256367356 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256368122 0 :madbr!n=madbrain@modemcable175.136-81-70.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1256368715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :garfieldwithoutgarfieldorjonoranyofthecharactersoranypanelapartfromthefirst.com < 1256368717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be done < 1256368751 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your irc client have a proportionnal font? < 1256368756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256368791 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok here's the first comic < 1256368792 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.--------------------------. < 1256368792 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368792 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368792 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368792 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368794 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368796 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368798 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368800 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368802 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368804 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368806 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1256368808 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|__________________________| < 1256368814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot the horizon line < 1256368818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the different wall and floor < 1256368823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also any plants that may be present < 1256368824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and telephones < 1256368829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the possibilities are endless < 1256368854 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what your mom said < 1256369284 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1256369298 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, kinda late < 1256369301 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256369308 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256369341 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about auxlangs, they should have, like, easy to pronounce sounds that most languages have :O < 1256369363 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, tell that to augur, he believes natural languages are "efficient enough" < 1256369372 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGUR I HAVE SUMMONED YOU! < 1256369381 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1256369385 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256369388 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola augur < 1256369399 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and auxlangs often do have easy to pronounce sounds < 1256369404 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256369411 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phonemes! < 1256369415 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mythemes! < 1256369418 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, natural languages are often not too "clean" but very expressive < 1256369429 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: true < 1256369432 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expressive about the familiar, yeah < 1256369445 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst one they have normally is, what, /v/ ? < 1256369445 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the truth is tho < 1256369453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /all/ sounds are easy to pronounce < 1256369455 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the most part < 1256369459 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does /v/ sound like < 1256369462 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1256369463 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that once you learn a language, you forget how to pronounce them < 1256369466 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256369471 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256369474 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rearry? < 1256369476 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /v/ isnt too bad < 1256369481 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just voiced /f/ < 1256369483 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1256369485 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1256369490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we really should say [v] and [f] < 1256369494 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1256369504 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since /v/ and /f/ are abstract language dependent object < 1256369505 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1256369508 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, by that I mean usually they have /b,f,v,w/ since they're romance-derived < 1256369525 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I never did learn that IPI thingie majiger < 1256369535 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA? < 1256369539 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a video tutorial? :O < 1256369540 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1256369562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1256369565 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks going through wikipedia, and not knowing how to pronounce those words :( < 1256369569 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::((( < 1256369571 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find one that's not english based < 1256369580 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are? < 1256369587 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha < 1256369592 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're looking for tutorials? < 1256369595 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, shucks < 1256369649 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, augur, I should probably have clarified before < 1256369706 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't really efficiency in languages that concerned me, if it was the effectiveness--as in, how effective would (could!) a natural language be when faced with new, unfamiliar phenomena? < 1256369738 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that there exists the possibility that a certain artificial language could be created to maximize creativity < 1256369741 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256369782 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ipa is mostly... hmmm... < 1256369795 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/a e i o u/ are like spanish vowels < 1256369848 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/b d f h k l m n p s t v w z/ are pretty much the sounds you expect < 1256369873 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect where? what do you mean? what's the context?!?! < 1256369970 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/g/ is always hard, /j/ is actually "y" (like in german), /q/ is arabic "q", /r/ is rolled like in spanish, /x/ is spanish "j", /y/ is german "ü", /c/ is hungarian "ty" < 1256369990 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jellow < 1256369996 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer: that's international phonetic alphabet < 1256370000 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256370065 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ɺ͡ɺ̼] < 1256370069 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see that? < 1256370072 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256370075 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1256370079 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a sound < 1256370085 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a wikipedia article < 1256370089 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language < 1256370097 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I love examining that language) < 1256370129 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that is hard to pronounce < 1256370140 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one pronounce it? < 1256370164 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of rr thing? dunno < 1256370172 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256370174 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur < 1256370191 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now < 1256370193 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce [ɺ͡ɺ̼], augur < 1256370211 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, HOLYSHIT < 1256370217 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, are you madbrain? < 1256370224 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256370228 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like rl*tongue hits the bottom of the mouth* < 1256370230 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256370240 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daaaaamn, I feel like an idiot now < 1256370247 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey madbr < 1256370250 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1256370299 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1256370305 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get that information, madbr? < 1256370310 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it sounds like that? < 1256370314 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you read that notation? < 1256370317 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ɺ͡ɺ̼]? < 1256370350 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256370369 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes thats probably the crazy sound that everett talks about < 1256370385 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everett? what < 1256370390 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ha < 1256370393 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy in the article < 1256370405 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language, you saw that, right? < 1256370419 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent read it < 1256370428 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256370433 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everett is an anthropologist that worked with pirahã < 1256370437 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure exactly how to pronounce it; im not good with lateral taps < 1256370442 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256370450 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its presumably roughly like a japanese "r" < 1256370457 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but done twice < 1256370457 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say he was not a praticularly good anthropologist < 1256370462 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256370476 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the first part with the tongue touching the top lip instead of the alveolar ridge < 1256370479 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: the description says the second part is linguolabial :O < 1256370491 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was it the first part? < 1256370492 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1256370493 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second? < 1256370494 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1256370497 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah soz. < 1256370509 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :description, madbr? where? < 1256370531 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably sounds a LOT like the "dle" in "cuddle < 1256370538 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"""[ɺ͡ɺ̼] is a lateral alveolar-linguolabial double flap that has only been reported for this language, where the tongue strikes the upper gum ridge and then strikes the lower lip. However, it is only used in certain special types of speech performances, and so might not be considered a normal speech sound."" < 1256370577 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha < 1256370584 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that, I guess < 1256370650 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, if it conveys info, is it not a "speech sound"? < 1256370700 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this says that it's basically a weird version of /g~n/ < 1256370710 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256370750 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically a substitute where the guy would say /g/ (or its allophone [n]) normally < 1256370764 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that its the ONLY language with it as a speech sound is ... odd < 1256370771 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1256370772 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1256370775 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand < 1256370776 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1256370785 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know that sign languages have phonology of signs < 1256370790 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256370796 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they do? < 1256370799 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the clear line between what is and isnt a speech sound is complicated < 1256370799 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1256370801 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they do. :) < 1256370804 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256370805 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract phonology < 1256370807 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how...? < 1256370808 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1256370809 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256370811 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256370821 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the rr sound is too slow to really work in normal speech in pirahã < 1256370833 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their "phonemes" are "articulatory" aspects of signs < 1256370853 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256370858 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand position, shape, speed, etc. < 1256370872 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it mostly means our language part of the brain normally deals with N possibilities < 1256370892 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie meaning is decoded into a sequence where each part can be one of N < 1256370905 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people believe that theres a well defined space of phonetic/phonological phenomena < 1256370909 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is Phonology < 1256370915 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about you? < 1256370917 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest is sort of bootstrapped into language < 1256370925 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think phonology is boring and so i dont give a shit < 1256370937 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256370949 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho if forced < 1256370956 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt seem to be NECESSARY < 1256370964 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: more into grammar? semantics? :) < 1256370970 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax! < 1256370971 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax and semantics, yep. < 1256370975 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1256370984 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about confusing the defo's of those two before < 1256370988 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we were in ##compling seppbot would have said by now < 1256370992 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chomsky is cunnilingual!" < 1256370999 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256371003 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... < 1256371006 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seppbot isnt there < 1256371006 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1256371018 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noones there except rziai < 1256371032 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256371044 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what do you have to say about linguistics? < 1256371045 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: the taylor's series is also alternately fnord as follows ( i'm using the latex notation here): david ben gurion signed the compensation agreement with germany when there was considerable division over these issues, because these are speculations without " any historical basis". < 1256371055 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1256371063 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1256371073 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has matched parentheses < 1256371079 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1256371085 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, Asztal! < 1256371095 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1256371123 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1256371125 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: eh, yeah, phonetics are definitely less vast than those fields < 1256371127 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal < 1256371136 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has matched parens because it took it from a quote it has stored. < 1256371148 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: its not that phonetics and phonology are less vast < 1256371162 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two paraphrase richard larson < 1256371170 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it turns out that they're right, so what? < 1256371175 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256371185 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1256371199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1256371200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1256371216 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, your thoughts on phonology? < 1256371218 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: i've removed the note. --user:jayhenryjayhenry 17:38, 15 march 2007 ( utc)'" i think it would be nice if all the matter in the work of her party of government, and the now illegal immigrants are considered a burden upon the welfare state. implementing socialism on a national scale does not advance socialisms goals fnord, because of his bias, his view is very helpful in understanding some of what has been reported on th < 1256371239 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1256371241 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, doesn't have too many deep psychological impacts < 1256371242 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1256371242 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp* youtube < 1256371253 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt have ANY psychological impacts < 1256371258 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1256371258 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1256371263 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay fungot < 1256371264 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: st john is a mangled corpse; i alone know why, and such words as sabaoth, metraton on agla fnord, < 1256371269 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256371314 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: on the other hand it's much easier to verify, I guess < 1256371325 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i guess < 1256371327 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256371331 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy funding!!! < 1256371336 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is geography < 1256371374 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you analyze a language, eventually you get a phonology with N phonemes < 1256371377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not interested in phonology. < 1256371398 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256371403 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256371407 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphemes! < 1256371413 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphemes! < 1256371415 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mythemes! < 1256371416 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphemes no < 1256371418 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphemes no < 1256371421 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwww < 1256371422 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mythemes, thats not even linguistics < 1256371426 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256371429 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphemes thats only marginally linguistic < 1256371430 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphemes is the written version of phonemes < 1256371437 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeppo < 1256371464 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not very deep either < 1256371495 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depth is largely dependent more on how time we've spent on them, eh? < 1256371501 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, i have a hard time with semantics < 1256371511 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay augur can help you! < 1256371565 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i can < 1256371573 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can deal with the slighty fuzzy logic of, say, music theory or even phonetics, but semantics are on a whole other scale :D < 1256371586 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaay < 1256371590 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bisociation! < 1256371602 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256371656 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theory that creativity comes from the juxtaposition of seeing one thing in regards to two separate systems < 1256371667 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for grammar... well, let's say that having two different classes about it with two completely different analysis of french one semester was a tad scary :) < 1256371714 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Act_of_Creation < 1256371719 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one was a syntax class with some kinda generativist-derived stuff < 1256371719 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little summary < 1256371769 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other had a completely different system that the teacher referred to as "semantic grammar" I think < 1256371776 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the teacher taught both in the same class, at the same time? what? < 1256371784 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, two different teachers < 1256371788 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha < 1256371804 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess would have been a better class, me thinks < 1256371805 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different teaching approaches and stuff < 1256371858 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1256371860 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one obviously liked verbose stuff, including stuff that would be much better expressed as a diagram < 1256371868 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256371881 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love a teacher that taught soley with dynamic diagrams < 1256371898 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagrammatic reasoning!!! yaaaaay! < 1256371904 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first one was, well, turn a sentence into a tree < 1256371916 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure you do it right < 1256371929 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :semantic grammar :| < 1256371932 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256371933 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he better not have used that term :| < 1256371938 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats mine! >| < 1256371941 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256371944 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angry vclops < 1256371948 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should check < 1256371956 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is vclops always angry? < 1256371959 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>| < 1256371967 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, theres a computational thing called that < 1256371970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Oranjer: the taylor's series is also alternately fnord as follows ( i'm using the latex notation here): david ben gurion signed the compensation agreement with germany when there was considerable division over these issues, because these are speculations without " any historical basis". < 1256371970 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and up the hill. < 1256371973 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95| Oranjer: the taylor's series is also alternately fnord as follows ( i'm using the latex notation here): david ben gurion signed the compensation agreement with germany when there was considerable division over these issues, because these are speculations without " any historical basis". < 1256371982 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its pretty un-used afaik < 1256371987 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not well documented < 1256371992 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256372007 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why document the random gibberings of an old bot? < 1256372015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1256372019 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256372020 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1256372032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not significantly worse than the other 94 quotes < 1256372038 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256372040 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it had concepts like nominal substantives and determniation relationships < 1256372050 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure that those mean :D < 1256372060 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nominal substantives = nouns < 1256372079 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256372098 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there other kinds of substantives? < 1256372099 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :determination relationships = the relationship between nouns, articles, adjectives, nominal complements... < 1256372114 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, adjectival substantives < 1256372118 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie adjectives < 1256372120 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anymore? < 1256372131 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a substantive, anyway? the word itself? < 1256372142 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an old latin term for noun I think < 1256372152 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh < 1256372155 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256372161 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, Firefly < 1256372166 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just watched Serenity < 1256372171 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also had a distinction between verbal substantive and verbal adjective < 1256372181 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256372186 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those real things? < 1256372191 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ARE they? < 1256372203 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, it was nominal adjective for adjectives, not the other thing I said < 1256372215 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty useless man < 1256372229 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Oranjer < 1256372231 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, sounds like I jumped into some interesting conversation < 1256372236 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer: well, the distinction is that the substantive was the sentence's topic but the adjective wasn't < 1256372261 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, subjects and compliments and adjuncts? < 1256372286 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well, the determination relationship stuff worked but some other stuff was a bit crazy < 1256372299 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean < 1256372305 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing just seems stupid < 1256372312 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nominal substantive" < 1256372314 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"seems stupid" < 1256372315 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just uckin say noun < 1256372317 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256372322 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I agree about that < 1256372327 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTHOUGH < 1256372338 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you go through the trouble of obfuscating well established terms for no good reason, its usually because youre full of shit < 1256372359 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always found using new names, names that, perhaps, reveal alternatives within it, are useful < 1256372373 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a noun is a noun, but when you define it as a "nominal substantive" < 1256372385 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you leave the door open for other types of "substantives" < 1256372395 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other things described as "nominal" < 1256372404 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I find it useful < 1256372473 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thoughts on that? sorry, mates < 1256372475 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256372489 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had [nominal,verbal,pronominal,participle,modal,another one i can't remember] x [substantive,adjective] < 1256372492 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1256372492 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256372495 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre aled words. < 1256372501 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aled? < 1256372504 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :called* < 1256372518 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256372522 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling something a substantive only makes sense if substantive actually means something < 1256372527 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256372528 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! < 1256372545 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you define what "substantive" means by those things you use that word to describe, eh? < 1256372550 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha! delightful < 1256372559 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats stupid < 1256372566 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1256372566 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yeah, in that particular case it was something like "the word has a base meaning instead of just deriving another word's meaning" < 1256372567 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really stupid < 1256372577 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256372582 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a word for that already too. < 1256372583 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, do you...actually create anything? < 1256372589 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its called a root. < 1256372592 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oranjer, i do. < 1256372594 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256372602 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( what? ) < 1256372612 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I said it the wrong way around < 1256372637 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"red" is a root but in that particular system it would be an "adjective", not "substantive" < 1256372657 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds ontological < 1256372688 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256372701 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, madbr, what? < 1256372710 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the distinction was that a "substantive" referred to at least a base set of concepts, while an "adjective" doesn't have a base set and is more subtractive in nature < 1256372721 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo subtractive < 1256372724 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one < 1256372800 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, the generativist "let's make trees" class was easier :D < 1256372805 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, madbr, what if we added "quasimodal" to that permutation you described earlier? < 1256372817 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that be < 1256372820 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quasimodal substantive! < 1256372824 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, let's define it < 1256372826 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1256372837 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what quasimodal means, of course < 1256372849 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jef Raskin did that stuff < 1256372872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love hci let's talk about some more hci also operating systems since i like operating systems well not current operating systems but < 1256372875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell LO < 1256372877 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the real problem was something more like "its the teacher's own system" or something like that < 1256372879 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_%28computer_interface%29#Quasimodes < 1256372886 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256372886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably eat to sustain me until i decide i should bed myself < 1256372898 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewww ehird's gonna bed himself < 1256372904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1256372905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu < 1256372912 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{} < 1256372918 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr < 1256372922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the problem with quasimodes is hand fatigue. < 1256372923 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you were doing morphology < 1256372924 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not syntax < 1256372939 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a problem, ehird < 1256372958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, modifier keys are pretty much broken < 1256372963 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a solution, though < 1256372971 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i like modifier keys :| < 1256372972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+x isn't more than a millisecond faster than Ctrl, x < 1256372976 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O I LOVE modifier keys! < 1256372982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your hand will like you for more years with the latter < 1256372983 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, augur, we agree on something! < 1256372988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the concept of modifier keys, they are fine < 1256372990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the way you execute it < 1256372993 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256372995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by holding it down and hitting another key < 1256372996 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1256372998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's broken, ergonomically < 1256373003 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except ehird, what about sequences? < 1256373006 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a possible solution < 1256373015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be obvious, but we need to think of something just as good that doesn't wreck our hands < 1256373017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: like what < 1256373020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how is it ergonomically broken < 1256373022 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, sequences might introduce modal errors < 1256373024 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the right command key, fool. < 1256373027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd explain, but i cba to explain < 1256373028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you fail < 1256373037 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, ehird? < 1256373039 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or control < 1256373039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway sequences are easy < 1256373041 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing < 1256373047 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why theres two sets < 1256373048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl, alt, x is perfectly unambiguous < 1256373052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur < 1256373053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please shut up < 1256373060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're showing your lack of ergonomic knowledge < 1256373061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that < 1256373063 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for agreeing that you're wrong < 1256373071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i don't have much, but more than you < 1256373074 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequences would only work if it is completely unambiguous where you are in the sequence < 1256373081 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ive been using a computer longer than you and ive never had issues with the ergonomics of command keys < 1256373087 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never heard anyone else complain < 1256373088 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1256373090 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're full of shit < 1256373094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahaha < 1256373095 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, you're only 14 < 1256373095 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1256373100 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its to be expected! < 1256373103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry augur, can i repeat your argument < 1256373107 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now now, calling names and yelling "Ignorant fool! your children will be cursed with Gay!" at each other! < 1256373110 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1256373121 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is no way to have an argument! < 1256373122 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer, you're new to #esoteric < 1256373125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have personally used computers for some more years than you, and I have not yet had hand problems, therefore all of currently-accepted ergonomics is wrong" < 1256373127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur < 1256373129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtfo < 1256373130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stu < 1256373133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stfu < 1256373133 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhhhhh < 1256373134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diaf < 1256373135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthxbai < 1256373137 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how we do things here in esoland < 1256373141 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more acronyms pl0x < 1256373155 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird and i are actually boyfriends, he's sitting a few feet from me. < 1256373159 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256373160 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all part of the fun of being on irc < 1256373161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"get the fuck out, shut the fuck up, die in a fire, kay thanks bye"; it's basically my way of saying QED < 1256373164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, augur is a liar. < 1256373165 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, alt,f4 is a bit more dangerous than alt+f4 :D < 1256373167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dirty liar. < 1256373177 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am but what does he know? < 1256373184 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY < 1256373191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long-term what we need is direct-brain interfaces — erm, backtrack — < 1256373194 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we gonna start suggesting solutions? < 1256373197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long-term what we need is to get rid of input and output devices < 1256373200 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ehird, short term < 1256373201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have them be the same thing < 1256373210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unless you want to give up on haptic feedback, at the moment, you can't do that < 1256373214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1256373215 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree tho that command keys could probably be done like that ehird. < 1256373216 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::T < 1256373221 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interface problems? hmmm < 1256373221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have to make do with the reality of i/o separation < 1256373229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: in fact you can enable stickykeys in windows to get this < 1256373230 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit yes < 1256373234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the founder of emacswiki does it < 1256373237 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck stickykeys < 1256373239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: what was that dammit yes to? < 1256373246 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256373251 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, ehird < 1256373258 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1256373262 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems that we're doing this wrongly < 1256373264 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sticky keys never seemed to work right for me < 1256373268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then < 1256373268 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrectiful < 1256373271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was on ME when i tried it < 1256373272 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1256373274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, that's windowsfor you < 1256373278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*windows for < 1256373282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this keyboard < 1256373286 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256373290 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256373293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keybosexual < 1256373295 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we had sequences < 1256373298 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1256373303 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards are fast but they require memorizing < 1256373304 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the display on each key < 1256373309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: ah, but not inherently < 1256373311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key bindings do < 1256373315 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changed to what it would actually do when pressed < 1256373318 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouses are slow but they don't require as much memorization < 1256373321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a command-based (or "linguistic") interface < 1256373323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's less efficient, though < 1256373326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: please < 1256373328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop generalisiing < 1256373333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you are saying is keybinding vs WIMP < 1256373335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not keyboard vs mouse < 1256373339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither r are desirable < 1256373343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drop that whole r word < 1256373349 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when I press "control", the "X" key changes to display "cut" < 1256373352 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1256373354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouses are known to be in no way significantly faster overall. research has already established this. < 1256373355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*generalising < 1256373356 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I like keyboards < 1256373356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: no no no < 1256373359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: touch-type, man < 1256373361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: yes < 1256373361 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not, ehird? < 1256373364 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1256373365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: keyboard != keybinding < 1256373366 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1256373368 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1256373371 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :significantly slower** < 1256373379 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[09:35:15] changed to what it would actually do when pressed < 1256373383 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how are you going to use a keyboard without keybinding? < 1256373383 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimus Maximus? < 1256373386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: true but also untrue < 1256373387 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit too expensive for me < 1256373387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISTEN < 1256373388 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact they're faster over all. they just /seem/ slower because the cognitive load is lower. < 1256373388 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256373388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1256373389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT TUP < 1256373390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISTEN < 1256373391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1256373392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen < 1256373393 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1256373395 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there would be LED's < 1256373396 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256373397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen < 1256373398 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only your cock will shut me up < 1256373400 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, ehird < 1256373400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur < 1256373405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you are saying is < 1256373408 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, have you seen moon? < 1256373414 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not < 1256373415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WIMP-style mouse interfaces" are faster than "keybindings to WIMP menu items" < 1256373418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES this is true < 1256373420 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now go outside and look at it < 1256373424 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIE MENUS < 1256373428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but overall, a keyboard can be faster FOR THE THINGS IT EXCELS at, if given a system designed for it: < 1256373432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a linguistic, or command interface < 1256373433 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they allow for both beginners and experts! < 1256373434 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1256373440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by automating tasks, it can be significantly faster than a mouse < 1256373440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1256373441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256373442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you say is true < 1256373444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for current GUIs < 1256373445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1256373451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is useless for designing future UIs < 1256373456 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUI NUI < 1256373456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and misleading to say the least < 1256373467 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Everyware < 1256373471 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon is an ... interesting movie < 1256373475 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha! < 1256373480 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, well ofcourse < 1256373481 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still wanna see the moon, though < 1256373482 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya < 1256373489 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what magic solution are you going to come up to deal with the fact that you need a way to access each command, eh? < 1256373497 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its faster for a keyboard interface < 1256373504 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all in context < 1256373524 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho arguably a sufficiently complex CLI will probably still be slower for the same tasks < 1256373535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: are you suggesting that a fully expressive, well-designed command/linguistic interface (therefore supporting automation) would be slower than slogging through repetitive grunt-and-clicks? < 1256373544 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i suppose it would depend on the full keyboard arrangement you could construct < 1256373553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, really, the only way i can make that true in my head is by assuming either a really retarded command/linguistic interface or a magical mouse (HEY APPLE) < 1256373555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1256373557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean like unix cli < 1256373564 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1256373569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text is limited, and the unix cli syntax is untenable for really quick activation < 1256373579 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well everyone i know who argues about this shit is CLI-whoring < 1256373580 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1256373582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of a completion system, where you can have keybindings and then type on to disambiguate < 1256373589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with rich objects that know what they can do < 1256373592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can order by the most common item < 1256373606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a linguistic interface, not a dumb text-command-to-text-output-with-text-streams-oh-joy unix crapfest < 1256373613 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's CLI? also, it's the wrong time to see the moon here < 1256373615 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who wants to learn about semantics? :X < 1256373620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :command-line interface < 1256373622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: command-line interface < 1256373623 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1256373626 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer, not THE moon < 1256373628 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Moon" < 1256373629 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the movie < 1256373631 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, augur < 1256373634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: that thing you said that would be useful for a quicksilver thing, you should talk to me about that sometime; i'd actually listen for once < 1256373636 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wanted to see the moon anyway < 1256373647 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spontaneity! WHOOOOO < 1256373649 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which thing < 1256373654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: eh you mentioned it < 1256373657 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the agent program? < 1256373660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256373664 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. awesome. < 1256373677 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually about to ask you if you wanted to work on something like that but decided you would probably not want to < 1256373704 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1256373709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think for it to know the inner workings of programs would probably require my OSs detached objects, instead of programs, so I'm totally for co-opting that < 1256373712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that's rather long-term... < 1256373722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on it for an existing OS could be fun though. < 1256373737 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the hooks into the OS would be something like what you can do with QS and automator right now < 1256373742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think any of them provide the sort of toes-curled-up-in-soil deep inspection that'd be needed < 1256373747 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scripting hooks that already exist < 1256373751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: right, but they don't go very deep, really < 1256373754 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1256373765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can't accomplish much of what i want to do with quicksilver at all < 1256373766 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we'll do what we can with what we've got < 1256373773 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to do < 1256373774 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1256373781 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even talking about < 1256373783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-opt the ideas into my OS, naturally. < 1256373800 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they're talking about, madbr < 1256373802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, amusingly, almost perfectly designed for the kind of hooks that'd be required < 1256373804 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense, ehird < 1256373816 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COLLABORATION! < 1256373821 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaay < 1256373821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take your shit and apply it to my OS interface research < 1256373826 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructiveness < 1256373827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not... your literal shit < 1256373833 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1256373845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the focus on objects and the abolishment of programs, I think, is helpful < 1256373847 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have an OS that is, from the core up, built with that sort of exposure in mind < 1256373850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody thinks in programs or talks about progarms < 1256373852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programs < 1256373859 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1256373860 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird wait < 1256373862 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in programs < 1256373862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they think about things, combining things, making them act with other things < 1256373866 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abolishment of programs? < 1256373868 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want to do data-oriented OS design < 1256373872 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than program-oriented? < 1256373875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: when on a computer, yes, because it's co-opted you to its evil < 1256373877 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES abolishment of programs! < 1256373877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Yes. < 1256373891 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, Jef Raskin made a good article on this, madbr < 1256373891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where data is primary, and you just have external services that hook into it on the fly and do whatever you need to do < 1256373895 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linky coming up < 1256373898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rich, smart data with multiple interfaces! Viva la somethingution. < 1256373900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: YES < 1256373903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Yes yes yes yes yes < 1256373905 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marry me :( < 1256373905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: <3 < 1256373907 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abolishment of programs sounds like a rather radical agenda < 1256373907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1256373913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been looking for someone to work with on this kind of thing for like < 1256373914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: My OS is rather radical... < 1256373915 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREE YEARS < 1256373928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: For a start it also does away with C! < 1256373930 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, augur, we all agree programs are bad < 1256373937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNTRUE < 1256373939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MADBR IS UNSURE < 1256373940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK < 1256373941 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.06/1.6_guis.html < 1256373944 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up oranjer the grown ups are talking < 1256373949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1256373951 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:() < 1256373959 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256373963 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the other kind of separation of code I know of is plug-ins < 1256373976 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ehird, i want to do this < 1256373997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: stop thinking in code < 1256374000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about the data, the documents < 1256374006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and them knowing the code < 1256374008 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data documents! < 1256374010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i'm lolling at that jef raskin article < 1256374011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's like < 1256374019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you know that mac thing i designed? desktop icons pointy clicky menus?" < 1256374020 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, suppose I have a song < 1256374020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FUCK" < 1256374021 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i think that like < 1256374021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THAT" < 1256374022 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what < 1256374023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SHIT" < 1256374024 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256374028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: most vague statement ever < 1256374035 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1256374036 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell-like data orientation is kind of the programming equivalent of this idea < 1256374038 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say a .mid < 1256374046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: shush the grownups are talking < 1256374051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING WILL BECOME CLEAR! < 1256374054 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1256374056 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that might be a good programming environment for that sort of task too < 1256374064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i'm of a slightly more object-oriented persuation < 1256374070 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats fine < 1256374074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original smalltalk is still, in my opinion, unsurpassed as an OS. < 1256374086 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1256374088 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google time < 1256374093 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to see something thats smalltalky < 1256374095 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the same time < 1256374102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the symmetry of data-oriented programming < 1256374107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds cool < 1256374110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the project demands a new language anyway < 1256374115 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1256374118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a clean slate, and it's very different to the usual crop < 1256374126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there'll be scarce compatibility anyway < 1256374135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not make something tailored < 1256374143 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can always compile to C < 1256374146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooo < 1256374148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non nonono nonononono < 1256374151 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1256374152 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1256374159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have very strong opinions on this and lots of thought processes :P < 1256374166 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could compile to zimbu! < 1256374167 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256374173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's compile ... to lojban < 1256374177 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1256374179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude < 1256374182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :human < 1256374183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS < 1256374185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1256374204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zimbu.org/ < 1256374205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is this shit < 1256374207 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then all the lojbanists will be perfectly suited to run it < 1256374212 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its horrible is what it is ehird < 1256374214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interpreted language isn't suitable to write a text editor? lol < 1256374218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bunch of bullshit < 1256374297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to design the hardware from scratch too to remove all the bloat and crap and bullshit that i'll have to deal with on the x86, but that's just not practical < 1256374305 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO it < 1256374326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware design is really not my thing < 1256374331 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evict all the integers and make it floating point-based < 1256374332 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1256374335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it raises the barrier to entry oh so much < 1256374340 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1256374342 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256374343 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make it compile to FPU stack code < 1256374350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of downloading some free software and booting to it, you have to buy some $500 pile of hardware and flash it all < 1256374351 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what uhhh what madbr what < 1256374384 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beagle board could be a choice no? < 1256374432 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha what < 1256374441 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"single chip computer" < 1256374444 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1256374446 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1256374502 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a world of vlsi integration and systems on a chip < 1256374508 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256374546 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird, can't you eventually replace pie menus with eye movement during a quasimode? < 1256374574 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah you could evict integers from your design... floating point is longer to calculate with but these days chips have so many transistors that it's not the bottleneck anymore < 1256374578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :controlling eye movement isn't very natural or easy < 1256374597 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256374645 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why some languages only have floating point (lua, javascript...) < 1256374668 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1256374688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point is shit < 1256374689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it < 1256374692 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finger pointing? < 1256374698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not useful for aaaaaaaaaanythign < 1256374701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256374726 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point is THE shit < 1256374735 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1256374744 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256374764 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I've seen of it is a gain in effectiveness and a loss in efficiency < 1256374823 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sound processing switched to floating point because sound processing uses lots of multiplications, and on the original pentium floating point multiplication was afaik faster than integer multiplication even < 1256374834 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL < 1256374889 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple of old plugin interfaces started using float and it stuck < 1256374936 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's extremely useful because you don't have to build headroom into anything anymore < 1256374963 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E-prime < 1256374977 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, what do you think? < 1256374985 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh it is broken < 1256374987 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1256374988 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: you recall that pickman's fnord was faces. i don't wish to offend you, and haue longe fnord upon ye way of get'g backe after ye laste. i laste night fnord on ye n. side of olney's court. distance from boston stone fnord. fnord fnord and from the titanic flat roof, with its curious illustrations by the brothers de fnord, composed in fnord but after a hypodermic injection it became more regular. < 1256374991 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhhh < 1256375013 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@82.66.176.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256375036 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez you bot that's a lot of fnords what are you saying this is supposed to be depressing? geez < 1256375058 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-prime is silly < 1256375112 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has sufficient mechanisms to deal with different degrees of evidentiality < 1256375129 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah! they're hardly mandatory < 1256375166 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you don't always need to express evidentiality < 1256375179 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's totally besides point < 1256375181 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that you would, to avoid conflict < 1256375190 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, yeah, artistic license < 1256375212 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why do you think people say "afaik" and "i think" all the time? :D < 1256375221 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256375234 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was even someone lamenting the use of that kind of stuff by politicians < 1256375239 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's only to express explicit uncertainty < 1256375242 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1256375246 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA AH! < 1256375255 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make all legal documents in e-prime! < 1256375275 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make politicians use it! yaaaay! < 1256375331 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because less uncertainty is the default < 1256375345 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1256375376 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still say I've seen it prevent apparent conflicts < 1256375386 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, you're missing how useful and expressive "to be" is in english < 1256375393 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know < 1256375395 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a copula < 1256375403 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only mean when we use it as a stative < 1256375409 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where nothing changes < 1256375425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be or not to be < 1256375427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you say that in e-prime < 1256375429 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256375437 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said before, artistic license < 1256375443 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pf < 1256375449 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, other e-prime people have already done that < 1256375467 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, they merely removed the use of "to be" < 1256375479 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the grass is green < 1256375481 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer focusing on removing statives < 1256375494 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point < 1256375500 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? what does this green grass do? where'd you find it? < 1256375506 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to remove ambiguity < 1256375530 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do anything < 1256375545 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"God exists!" "God doesn't exist!" *FIGHT* vs. "God exists, and I think that because..." "Well, I disagree on..." *NOT FIGHT* < 1256375566 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....................................................................no < 1256375570 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256375574 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we fight now? < 1256375629 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how else would you express something like that < 1256375648 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else would I express what? < 1256375650 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grass is green < 1256375666 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite simply, what information does that contain? < 1256375675 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the color of the grass < 1256375683 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly--the color according to who? < 1256375690 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1256375697 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The grass appears green to me" < 1256375702 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1256375706 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god are you kids talking about e-prime < 1256375710 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256375712 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, dad! < 1256375723 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer: there's no point to that < 1256375725 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole purpose of eprime is noble, but misguided < 1256375731 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah! < 1256375737 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, removing "be" is a failure to achieve this goal. < 1256375745 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur! I just talked about that! < 1256375753 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only wish to remove stative verbs < 1256375754 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer: plus you still have an attribute, except it's implicit < 1256375763 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what madbr < 1256375774 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stative verbs arent the issue either < 1256375788 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you define the issue as, then, augur? < 1256375799 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambiguity itself, I would guess? < 1256375799 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you could wrap any sentence that way < 1256375815 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, madbr, but I would hardly call that creative < 1256375826 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that languages as a whole permit things like indicative mood, realis modality, and non-evidentiality < 1256375830 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bob eats pork" -> "bob appears eating pork to me" < 1256375837 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could always just promote using quechua. < 1256375838 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256375858 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find "bob eats pork" none-too-distasteful < 1256375866 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1256375870 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, I see your point < 1256375874 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, quechua? < 1256375876 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google time < 1256375883 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quechua has evidentiality < 1256375887 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, why is that ok but "the grass is green" not < 1256375890 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1256375891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandatory evidentiality, if i recall correctly < 1256375895 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking, madbr < 1256375904 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, augur, I want mandatory evidentiality < 1256375918 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll vanish in time due to natural changes in the language. < 1256375932 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwww < 1256375944 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then < 1256375947 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would hardly say such vanishing would help the sciences and arts < 1256375952 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USING the RIGHT evidentiality marker is a choice people make < 1256375962 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true...hmmm < 1256375981 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes its necessary to say things are just this way, that its fact < 1256375990 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie in the sciences, vs. religion < 1256376003 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes its necessary to lie < 1256376007 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256376016 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language is the way it is < 1256376032 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to make a particular language better is a failure of understanding of what language does in the first place < 1256376057 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what ha ha ha! < 1256376065 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahHAhaahaahAHAHahAHAhA < 1256376092 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a failure to understand how languages work in reality < 1256376094 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me augur you just attempted to use the argument of the masses on me < 1256376098 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahAHHahAaha < 1256376123 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument of the masses? < 1256376129 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer: you just don't get how efficient a language like english is < 1256376146 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not efficiency, madbr < 1256376150 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how hard it is to beat something like english at being expressive < 1256376154 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectiveness in dealing with the unknown < 1256376164 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language isnt designed to deal with the unknown < 1256376169 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and e-prime isnt either < 1256376174 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! touche < 1256376176 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by language, i mean the human language faculty) < 1256376204 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we should create a means of communication that expressly takes the unknown into consideration! yaaaaaaaay! < 1256376210 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer: then perhaps you could try your hand at adding evidentiality to english < 1256376216 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck btw < 1256376218 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck oranjer < 1256376220 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, thanks < 1256376224 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do that you'd need to modify the brain. < 1256376228 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1256376230 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says you < 1256376233 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1256376239 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh-ho-ho? < 1256376251 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"On the other hand, you have different fingers." < 1256376254 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your brain does not already incorporate a mechanisms for doing this sort of thing, other than language, you cant do it < 1256376262 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and language is the only thing anyone knows of that does this < 1256376270 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something else existed, we'd be using it already < 1256376277 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256376298 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, language does suffer from bandwidth limitations < 1256376309 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to some extent < 1256376311 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but consider < 1256376317 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can talk faster than i can type. < 1256376324 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, i can edit what i type before i talk < 1256376329 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before i send* rather < 1256376330 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(irony!) < 1256376333 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 50 bits per second I think < 1256376354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean by that < 1256376367 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how much bandwidth I think language tends to have < 1256376391 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably up to 100 bits if you go really fast but I mean it as an order of magnitude < 1256376392 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1256376401 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably less, actually < 1256376405 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1256376417 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1256376418 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1256376428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My giraffe fucked the horse's bright pink wound scabbing up with green oil. < 1256376430 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way languages are structured, the phonological information is the important stuff < 1256376432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits is thaat? < 1256376433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1256376435 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and phonologies are entirely language internal < 1256376442 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you condider that a normal syllable rate for something like english or french is something like 6 syllables / second < 1256376444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, wow that sentence is disturbing) < 1256376445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1256376447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never even... notcied < 1256376460 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you only have to count the phonological content being shuttled around < 1256376467 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be less than 50 bits per second < 1256376473 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from the size of the phonetic inventories of such languages you get something like 8 bits/syllable < 1256376479 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh no < 1256376482 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that reminds me of a scene in David Cronenberg's "Crash" < 1256376485 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get more than 8 bits per syllable < 1256376489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT HOW MANY BITS IS IT < 1256376529 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well, for a CVC syllable, sure < 1256376529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has around 40 sounds, with syllables upwards of 5 sounds each < 1256376529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again this depends on how you count your dat < 1256376529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data < 1256376531 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't the short version of "vowel" itself be a vowel? like, a? < 1256376531 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more complex syllables have a speed hit < 1256376533 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAC < 1256376547 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something like 1.5x slower for CVC vs CV in French < 1256376557 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAC vs CA in French < 1256376564 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is timed differently but it probably comes down to something similar < 1256376566 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I must go to sleep now < 1256376578 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to do a proper study dude < 1256376580 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the...topic talking? :O < 1256376581 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i dont have one < 1256376592 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, french is a bit easier to count < 1256376598 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( good night! (night for me) ) < 1256376601 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256376609 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~20 consonants, ~16 vowels < 1256376648 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the frequencies are skewed, but if you compute the bit contents of skewed inventories they don't actually lose much information < 1256376688 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means you get around a byte of info per syllable, give or take 2 bits probably < 1256376724 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1256376733 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although something else I've read talked about 1 bit per letter < 1256376737 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, night < 1256376748 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Radiateur" < 1256377861 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-20-18.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256378908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1256379460 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256380974 0 :adam_d_!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-4-28.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256381664 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256381868 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256383266 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1256383324 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256383642 0 :FireFly[DS]!n=nds@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256383870 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d90438@gateway/web/freenode/x-rntragfnuwrvxanc JOIN :#esoteric < 1256384056 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1256384862 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1256385007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using an operating system through a text-to-speech thingy is hard < 1256385007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for blinders people < 1256385013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're hard. < 1256385324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :| < 1256385329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vertica vertica vertical line < 1256385549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :selection deleted < 1256385581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greenity < 1256385584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: say something < 1256385627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 < 1256385644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloquy fails beautifully at telling the speech user about shit that happens! < 1256386344 0 :ehirdtalk!n=ehirdtal@212.183.134.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256386422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1256386424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1256386430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL! < 1256386432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1256386435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1256386435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetst < 1256386436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :est < 1256386448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l'ouest < 1256386492 0 :ehirdtalk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256386619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be interesting to be blind < 1256386626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really < 1256386626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from the computer aspect < 1256386676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly SCIENCE requires you to stab out your eyes < 1256386776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1256386792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you look pretty today < 1256386810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very opulent < 1256386870 0 :jix!n=jix@g224146037.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1256386945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: blindfold yourself and enable all the speech and keyboard control things < 1256386946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MUST DO IT < 1256386977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_maybe_ in the other order might be preferred < 1256387045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1256387072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was a blind dude i'd have all sorts of awesome shorthand just for representing everything < 1256387103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(spoken very quickly)blab esoteric oklopol" < 1256387106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key to say "tell me tell me" < 1256387116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lament: you look pretty today. 1 minute ago." < 1256387122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"switch to window" < 1256387125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type! < 1256387127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1256387129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly the blab thing < 1256387132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like, sitting there < 1256387147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blab esoteric oklopol mail inbox compile done < 1256387801 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1256388002 0 :ivank`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1256388010 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256388624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1256389952 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1256389984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1256389994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256391037 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1256391046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256391617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was that a hi to? < 1256391918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody in particular < 1256391964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applescript://com.apple.scripteditor?action=new&script=say%20%22hi%22 < 1256391968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear this actually works < 1256392097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be no way to get it to run on click though :P < 1256392129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this computer understands that protocol < 1256392207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm shocked < 1256392209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly shocked < 1256392251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it doesn't < 1256392299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Clearly you must be running some weird-ass OS, like, like, HURD! < 1256392328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is 2013. Apple announce their porting of OS X to a modified HURD kernel) Oh god I regret everything I have said ever < 1256392337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even VxWorks doesn't recognise that protocol < 1256392346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why would you expect less mainstream OSes to? < 1256392417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not even Emacs supports it! < 1256392427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1256392428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURD, VxWorks and Emacs: the three main operating systems. < 1256392436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN HELL < 1256393348 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256393634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does something very stupid < 1256393763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually do it due to stupidity < 1256393943 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-151-12.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256394058 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256394698 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-26-11.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256394744 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256395926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grabbernickle < 1256396612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to work on Ponzi Scheme sometime before someone else takes that name :( < 1256397015 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256398555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure is slow lately < 1256398623 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256398739 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1256400499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1256400536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256400551 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256400560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fax too < 1256400639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how fast does n! grow? Faster than a^n ? < 1256400645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses so < 1256400654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256400658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but slower than n^n < 1256400663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh really? < 1256400667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, obviously < 1256400679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that obvious? < 1256400679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5! = 1*2*3*4*5 < 1256400684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5^5 = 5*5*5*5*5 < 1256400689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1256400966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about n^(n-1)? < 1256400988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that grows about as fast as (n+1)^n < 1256400997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just with a horizontal offset < 1256401002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'll go faster than n! too < 1256401006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm < 1256401028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes it grows about as fast as (n+1)^n? < 1256401171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just cleaned his keyboard. Eww < 1256401939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472271 < 1256401963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just substitute n-1 for n < 1256402635 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256402708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256402785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about n!+n! ? < 1256402805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should still be less than n^n right? < 1256402832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256402835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just multiplying by 2 < 1256402855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like adding/subtracting one from n, and multiplying by /any/ constant, don't affect behaviour in the limit < 1256402989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1256402995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit funny bug report < 1256403005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus why i linked it < 1256403011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256403064 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so O gives equivalence classes ordered? < 1256403074 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n!) < O(n^n) < 1256403088 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you these O's as numbers < 1256403110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ehird might be interested to know that YLE (our BBC) had a theremin for the public to play with on their altparty stand. < 1256403121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coo < 1256403197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was hooked to an oscilloscope, theoretically to make it easier to see amplitudes and frequencies. < 1256403231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, awesome < 1256403240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't see anyone who could actually play the thing though. < 1256403267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oscilloscopes always are) < 1256403297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, was that a question or a statement? < 1256403304 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256403307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1256403319 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that tell us? < 1256403320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, " can you these O's as numbers" didn't parse here < 1256403324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no clue < 1256403344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a missing word < 1256403351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "these" should have been something else < 1256403987 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1256404524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god when did uriel become a proggit mod < 1256404563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just recently, when spez asked for new mods. < 1256404600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1256404699 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that somehow terribly bad? < 1256404763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, uriel is quite seriously insane... < 1256404766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256404768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, not a big deal < 1256404899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is this uriel? < 1256404899 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-142-65.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256404950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a libertarian free-market capitalist plan 9 highly acidic moron who lives in sweden < 1256404967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his website is among the few known to cause actual mental illness merely by reading text < 1256404987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat-v.org may ring a bell. < 1256405084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If elected moderator, I will edit LISP postings by randomly removing left and right parens" < 1256405092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now here's a man with initiative! < 1256405120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh cat-v.org right < 1256405154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hasn't he been in here? Or was that someone else < 1256405175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1256405193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, someone with a ready-made image for plan9? < 1256405204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv/nescience. < 1256405207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1256405211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1256405212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256405216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, his web site design was quite similar iirc < 1256405218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience/myndzi is different < 1256405218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just mycroftiv < 1256405221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so confusing < 1256405228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it confusing < 1256405245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the default werc style (plan 9 style website system used for suckless.org, maintained byy uriel) < 1256405246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by < 1256405254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256405290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suckless.org looks different though < 1256405303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok < 1256405324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is a nice web site design anyway. And a nice colour scheme < 1256405330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, suckless use their own style < 1256405348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant cat-v design < 1256405352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orange colour is displeasing < 1256405365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it differs on sub-pages < 1256405368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything below the header is too minimalist to have really had any design put into it < 1256405369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://glenda.cat-v.org/ < 1256405374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1256405388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just plan 9's colour scheme, changed sliughtly < 1256405389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly < 1256405390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : everything below the header is too minimalist to have really had any design put into it <-- yeah that is the so great thing about it < 1256405392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9times uses it unchanged < 1256405394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rio) < 1256405402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really, the line length is too long < 1256405415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too wide browser window? < 1256405426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, now every other site has a horizontal scrollbar < 1256405439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, at least it doesn't try to be *wider* than your browser. Ever < 1256405454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1256405455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my safari window disagrees. < 1256405461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a horiz. scrollbar on a cat-v page < 1256405462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you go smaller than the menu < 1256405470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it contains a large image < 1256405620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should join #plan9. Or maybe not < 1256405737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not the most helpful bunch. < 1256405761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1256406064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for possible progress on my os. < 1256406127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1256406136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur involvement. < 1256406151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1256406157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that anything's been done, but a few ideas have been batted and that's better than it's been for, like, monhts < 1256406158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*months < 1256406174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[said in T-Rex voice] LINGUISTICS IS STRANGELY APPLICABLE < 1256406218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256406226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis though! < 1256406229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1256406271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some interesting stuff for the primary (at least until I think of something better) interaction quantum, the linguistic super-mini-CLI. < 1256406281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is hard to explain but so trivially easy as to seem boring, hey ho. < 1256406306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A CLI that is both super and mini, that is.) < 1256406319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's not really too much like a CLI. < 1256406323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. < 1256406372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: Apple are trying to de-emphasise the bezel around the display on the iMac! I predict that eventually, the entire front of the iMac will be a display with rounded corners. < 1256406384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be some engineering feat, also awesome. < 1256406405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The pixels would go right up to the edge, presumably involving fractions of pixels.) < 1256406481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean, no border around the screen at all? < 1256406493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! < 1256406499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound impossible < 1256406509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the software expects a square display, but you're only losing like a few pixels at the corners that can just be ignored. < 1256406511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for dust issues < 1256406520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It'd be covered with glass like current iMacs, presumably. < 1256406525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not sharp corners? < 1256406536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're ugly, and the iMac has always had rounded corners. < 1256406541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just extrapolating from the current design. < 1256406542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, you need a bit of glass on the sides too, could be very thin < 1256406543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it'd be purty. < 1256406549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1256406559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main engineering feat would be the pixels on the corner that get cut off. < 1256406567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to make non-square pixels. < 1256406573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1256406574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of quite a few variations in shape. < 1256406580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256406593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end effect would be sweet, though. < 1256406603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caveat: No place to put camera, microphone, big Apple logo. < 1256406629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... you could embed the camera and microphone inside the glass somehow, and make them invisible... somehow... < 1256406629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm using the bottom pixles? < 1256406629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the logo < 1256406642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But that ruins the effect. :P < 1256406642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes < 1256406645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the footstand < 1256406651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it'd be amusing to display a bezel in the showroom... run some demos.... < 1256406651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*demos... < 1256406651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then... < 1256406651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*click* < 1256406653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redeign it so part of it is in front < 1256406655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1256406659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fades into more desktop < 1256406663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all hidden way behind < 1256406675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logo thing was facetious; Apple design is obvious enough to not need a logo. < 1256406684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the camera and microphone would present a real problem. < 1256406703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All peanuts compared to the whole myriad-shapes-of-pixels-at-the-corners, of course.) < 1256406705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the camera yes. The mic less so < 1256406710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1256406728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mic is easy enough with some clever tilting of the top or bottom part, I guess. < 1256406734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the camera really needs to be on the front. < 1256406751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invokes treknobabel to make it work < 1256406762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technobabble? < 1256406768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256406770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was no typo < 1256406773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see tvtropes < 1256406808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Treknobabble, then. < 1256406814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256406822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing b indeed < 1256406853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a transposed le. < 1256406857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the camera... hmm... < 1256406920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as I said. Redesign the foot < 1256406927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong angle. < 1256406927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is part of it near the front < 1256406935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at the top of the display. < 1256406943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that solves logo at least < 1256406944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1256406955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about some cleaver algorithms to move the thing? < 1256406963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't be done :P) < 1256406968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could set up a fancy mirror thing with a camera on the top above the screen, but it'd be non-flat. < 1256407013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you know a mic and a speaker can be replaced kind of? < 1256407024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they work the same basically < 1256407046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, now design pixels that can be used backwards as a camera < 1256407072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved. When camera is needed, some 32x32 pixles at the top are used < 1256407076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One issue with this design is, where the hell do you go from there? The whole thing the user sees in front, with the perfect curve, leading to thin, black glass on the sides, top and bottom, and then anodised aluminium with a few ports in one corner, the name of the computer, and a hole for the power cord. All suspended on a foot made out of the same material on the back that's literally just an elaborate curve, the simplest possible stand, with a hole to < 1256407077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power curve through. < 1256407077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1256407079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually, much more < 1256407081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two years later < 1256407093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apple releases revolutionary new iMac design; it's exactly the same but .3 inches thinner" < 1256407099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOCKS: ↓↓↓ < 1256407100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256407107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'll read everything you said while I wrote that < 1256407117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1256407137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, actually, you could embed the camera behind the display, somehow. < 1256407143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With very cleverly constructed LCDs... < 1256407147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway since by then we will have 1000 dpi, some 60x60 pixles wouldn't be a problem < 1256407151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the quality would be poor if it's even possible. < 1256407153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even more < 1256407217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the simplest possible stand, with a hole to < 1256407217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : power curve through." < 1256407218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1256407247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was something dropped there? < 1256407254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let". < 1256407259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256407261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*power cord < 1256407266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1256407364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, what about my idea about double function pixels? < 1256407382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:58] ehird: Also, actually, you could embed the camera behind the display, somehow. < 1256407382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:59] ehird: With very cleverly constructed LCDs... < 1256407385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was in response to that. < 1256407390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it's possible < 1256407462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256407463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256407481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, drop the camera? < 1256407502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not happening, not cool, not interesting engineering, not profitable. < 1256407969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: LITTLE DID YOU KNOW I WORK AT APPLE'S DESIGN DIVISION < 1256407974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx for the assistance! < 1256407985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME TO GO COLLECT MY HUGE PILE OF MONEY < 1256408033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I use a filesystem I wrote for MacFUSE for resizing images. If an image is located at /path/to/image.png then I can get a version resized to fit in 1024x768 with /transform/maxwidth-1024-maxheight-768/path/to/image.png. I was going to add other transformations but never got around to it, so all I can do right now is resize, either to fixed sizes or constraints." < 1256408033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why god why < 1256408124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the future of OSes! < 1256408129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, you don't run filter programs < 1256408132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just use custom paths < 1256408158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/for/each/i/in/path/to/images/resize/to/x/y < 1256408159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Easier to get at from GUI programs. < 1256408166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1256408174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait maybe i should've used the i. < 1256408182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/env in DJGPP was surprisingly useful < 1256408184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: xD < 1256408201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could have a programming language integrated in your file system, reading a path executes a script < 1256408211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be the natural extension to what you pasted there < 1256408320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you nest!!!!!! < 1256408394 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with twigs and leaves and things < 1256408438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, who wants to play... < 1256408438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE TINY LINUX KERNEL GAME < 1256408447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there's /../ ;) < 1256408456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is that you have to make the tiniest linux kernel that'll boot and run on some given hardware usefully. VMs count < 1256408534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/print/list/1/../2/../3/ < 1256408555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how do you define "linux" here? < 1256408576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel.org, any version! although if it doesn't have enough menuconfig to tinker with it's no fun < 1256408593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base system doesn't matter, just steal some shit from debian for the kernel to jump into < 1256408639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /dev/env in DJGPP was surprisingly useful <-- eh < 1256408672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /dev/env/NETHACKDIR/perm is equivalent to $NETHACKDIR/perm, but works everywhere, not just shells < 1256408700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would use a simple busybox < 1256408706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for userland < 1256408708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter < 1256408712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel size is all that counts < 1256408721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 2.0 kernel then < 1256408737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it boots something you can poke around w/ a shell and grep and shit < 1256408738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's game < 1256408738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1256408749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think it should be only current kernel tbh < 1256408753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's more bloaty < 1256408759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so 2.4 and 2.6? < 1256408765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest version < 1256408773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1256408778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 KiB should be trivial, 4 KiB possible < 1256408781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything below, more difficult < 1256408783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4 is still maintained though < 1256408788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub 2 KiB, haaaaaaard < 1256408790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but less bloaty. < 1256408802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, x86 or x86_64? < 1256408809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 obvs < 1256408825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 2 MB is what I managed for x86_64 for something that is usable for me on my main desktop < 1256408833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most modules built in though < 1256408854 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is 2.6 MB without module support < 1256408855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone posted on reddit that he uses a ~8 KiB kernel < 1256408859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because shrinking it is fun < 1256408860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lzma compression I guess? < 1256408864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1256408869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's for a desktop < 1256408880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since we're just doing shells and grepping and all that regular shit < 1256408883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he say how large his modules are? < 1256408892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1256408901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then most was in modules I assume < 1256408905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my strategy would be no modules, simplest fs possible < 1256408926 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you can get straightforward reductions by just putting everything possible in M < 1256408933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no drivers for anything but a console, keyboard, drive and whatever else you need to boot < 1256408951 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The module-loading code is probably fairly tiny so you can get away with including that < 1256408961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but modules count < 1256408968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, then disable everything else, and compress it. < 1256408970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, bbl food. will try this afterwards < 1256408973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it sounds so fun < 1256408977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha really? :D < 1256408983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you compile linux on os x < 1256409078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :targeting a vm will be the best bet < 1256409080 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what, latest stable or mainline? < 1256409084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :least janky hardware < 1256409098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stable is what people actually use right? < 1256409098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stable. < 1256409109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a mainline rc :-P < 1256409115 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, sure. < 1256409141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole 58 megs :( < 1256409151 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100%[======================================>] 61 448 996 12.3M/s in 5.0s < 1256409177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 minutes < 1256409178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this internet < 1256409186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i hate you die < 1256409250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: gimme ssh!! :-P < 1256409265 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :-P < 1256409273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if you can upx compress the kernel < 1256409274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no) < 1256409282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'make allnoconfig' gives a 708K bzImage < 1256409305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but can it actually do anything :p < 1256409306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1256409322 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can boot an x86, presumably. < 1256409332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, try it in a VM? < 1256409340 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have VMs. < 1256409398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any VM software installed? < 1256409405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, boot up your machine with it, then :D < 1256409406 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1256409410 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nah. < 1256409421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, 700 is waaaaaaaaaay too big < 1256409440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was gzipped < 1256409454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much ungzipped < 1256409467 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'm kinda surprised that people can make smaller ones, then :-P < 1256409476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :700 is so huge. < 1256409486 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to ungzip it < 1256409487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe they use oooooooold ones < 1256409489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, um < 1256409489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"allnoconfig" also says no to the option to turn off a few of the different options... < 1256409491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip -d? < 1256409496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: XD < 1256409502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "not in gzip format" < 1256409508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bz ] < 1256409509 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bzip2 either. < 1256409511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bz = bzip no? < 1256409511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256409513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzip1? < 1256409514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256409516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1256409521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: awesome < 1256409524 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :menuconfig said it was gzip, so anyway < 1256409538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There's an option to pull up a menu for removing various major features like "error strings". ;) < 1256409539 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Of course the whole thing isn't gzipped, since it needs to have a BIOS-readable bit and such. < 1256409547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shweet < 1256409553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But you tried anyway :P < 1256409573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's one of the allocators that doesn't use much bzimage space. < 1256409582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256409584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Since you asked me to, I was hoping gzip would be somehow clever enough. < 1256409606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 2.6.31 and up can use lzma for the image. < 1256409631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, I noticed. < 1256409633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I though upx could compress a kernel. < 1256409637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought, even. < 1256409644 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going through menuconfig activating various "disable foo" options. < 1256409667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ypu, upx supports vmlinuz compression. < 1256409683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ypu < 1256409709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it beats the kernel's own < 1256409710 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically that's a typo for "you", not "yup". < 1256409730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmh, I can't seem to be able to disable mouse support < 1256409735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256409744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what the smallest fs is < 1256409746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fat16? < 1256409751 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an FS ATM. < 1256409756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1256409759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fat12's smaller. < 1256409766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disabling initrd, yeah? < 1256409769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing useless like ELF binary support, either. < 1256409777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.out uber alles < 1256409778 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have initrd on the kernel I use < 1256409780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to support some sort of binary... < 1256409783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course a.out isn't supported either < 1256409787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256409788 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, I don't. :-P < 1256409798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just execute RAW BINARIES YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH < 1256409801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Strictly speaking, it's optional. < 1256409803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, I do have a /proc. < 1256409809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USELESS < 1256409810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undisableable. < 1256409811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not very useful (in general). < 1256409814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1256409817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: use 2.4 man < 1256409825 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I thought we agreed on a version. :-P < 1256409831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.31.5. < 1256409834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but mandatory proc? < 1256409837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the devil < 1256409861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a disablable option. < 1256409929 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, now I'm down to 526 K < 1256409936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPX it < 1256409942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without compressing it in kernel) < 1256409943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upx: arch/x86/boot/bzImage: CantPackException: kernel decompression failed < 1256409950 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upx doesn't like the LZMA. < 1256409952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ < 1256409962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upx is still used to the gzip-only compression. < 1256409964 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It obviously unpacks it by itself first < 1256409976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set the kernel to compress with gzip, then let upx have at it. < 1256409985 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, that's what I'm doing. < 1256409999 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There's no option for lack of compression, only gzip/bzip2/LZMA < 1256410003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurgh < 1256410005 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upx: arch/x86/boot/bzImage: CantPackException: unrecognized kernel architecture; use option '-f' to force packing < 1256410005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1256410009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256410009 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-f it is < 1256410076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 637952 -> 597310 93.63% bvmlinuz/386 bzImage < 1256410083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LZMA wins this round < 1256410089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Are you compiling with -Os < 1256410092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1256410097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just checking < 1256410110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you omit frame pointer? < 1256410117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess -Os does that < 1256410124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you telling upx --best? < 1256410142 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, --ultra-brute. < 1256410148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256410161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1256410169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, BTW, is much more annoying in Windows, where it tries like 72 options instead of the 10 or so it picks from on Linux. < 1256410170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've *sworn* one of the things upx does is lzma. < 1256410204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hex edit that thing < 1256410210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any trailing 0s or w/e? < 1256410227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setup is 13676 bytes (padded to 13824 bytes). < 1256410235 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes, there's some padding there. < 1256410236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1256410236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 100%[======================================>] 61 448 996 12.3M/s in 5.0s <-- wow cool < 1256410238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANT < 1256410242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1256410248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, university network? < 1256410249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So chop it off < 1256410253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's trailing who cares < 1256410263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's standard 100 Mb/s speed, no? < 1256410272 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, home. < 1256410281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wow < 1256410290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANT WANT WANT WANT < 1256410291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Move somewhere more urban :P < 1256410298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small price to pay < 1256410314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1256410322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I crosscompile kernel to x86 < 1256410327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have 64-bit systems around atm < 1256410328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magiv < 1256410330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic < 1256410345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, upx? it works on kernel? < 1256410355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1256410356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently < 1256410361 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, mine is 64-bit as well. < 1256410365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1256410369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1256410374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: make subarch=i386 or something like that. < 1256410381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've built it in my chroot. < 1256410382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for the config part < 1256410386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because allno isn't enough < 1256410389 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that in a moment. < 1256410389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is more you can do < 1256410395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by saying yes to "embedded" < 1256410402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1256410403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's doing it manually < 1256410407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant that is < 1256410419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what does embedded do? Sounds cheating :( < 1256410427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, allow you to turn off more options < 1256410431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started out from allnoconfig. < 1256410432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha < 1256410433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like swap support iirc < 1256410433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1256410440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Turns off "error messages", swap support, etc. < 1256410441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And /proc? < 1256410447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's in there. < 1256410459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if it's not, then that just means /proc is a couple lines of code. :P < 1256410493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1256410639 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I forgot about embedded *facepalm* < 1256410643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256410655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, keyboard and mouse < 1256410657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have served me well < 1256410659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1256410660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyboard, man < 1256410664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set out rules < 1256410677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta boot up to a console and execute a shell with a keyboard, dood < 1256410678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256410685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Think embedded + 32-bit + compression fun should reach 200 KiB.) < 1256410686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just seeing how big a "can't do squat" kernel is < 1256410692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1256410696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: make subarch=i386 or something like that. <-- no :( < 1256410699 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, block layer < 1256410703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256410705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, /proc and sysfs < 1256410712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, kernel < 1256410747 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :339K < 1256410751 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to 32-bittify it < 1256410768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compression? < 1256410786 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was LZMA < 1256410804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how ... wossname does < 1256410808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upx < 1256410815 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, x86 support < 1256410819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256410821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant < 1256410824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to actually boot < 1256410836 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part of "can't do squat" do you not understand? < 1256410841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256410886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, linux32 in front works it seems < 1256410981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodkye epoll < 1256410981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1256410989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye* < 1256411007 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found some more options that embedded opened: I think 334K is just about the smallest 64-bit one possible < 1256411028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be a decent amount smaller for 32-bit. < 1256411034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halving pointers helps. ;) < 1256411035 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, since there I can disable x86. < 1256411044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wait what < 1256411045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Disable x86??? < 1256411050 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HPET, and VM86, etc. < 1256411055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Generic X86 support" =n < 1256411062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, eh hpet can be disabled on 64-bit < 1256411063 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On x86-64 that wasn't an option. < 1256411071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1256411075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is because generic x86 isn't supported < 1256411078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 64-bit < 1256411085 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The option wasn't in the same place, at least. < 1256411086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is generic x86-64 support then < 1256411111 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256411165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And HPET, and VM86, etc. < 1256411171 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some more stuff, so 334K can be beaten; won't do that now, though, working on 32-bit. < 1256411174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vm86 is not supported on 64-bit < 1256411187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpet should be possible to turn off for both < 1256411195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of early 64-bit systems without hpet < 1256411199 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There wasn't an HPET option in the same place. < 1256411206 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I'm saying. < 1256411267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :280K for a 386 < 1256411295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I can make it less < 1256411300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a few bytes < 1256411305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want exact byte size < 1256411327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :285936 < 1256411379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is this "can't do a squat" or ehird's challenge? < 1256411386 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former. < 1256411390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is only doing ehird's challenge < 1256411394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not interested in the other < 1256411402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :295504 for a Core 2. < 1256411468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no way of testing whether my thing can actually do anything, so I can't really give reliable answers to ehird's challenge. < 1256411475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256411487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok with initramfs instead of proper disk support? < 1256411498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, qemu < 1256411518 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any VM-thing installed and can't be bothered to install one and figure it out < 1256411559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1256411608 0 :Rugxulo!n=chatzill@65.13.115.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256411608 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found another option to disable, got 285536 (279 K) for a 386. < 1256411618 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm done here. < 1256411629 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I need people to bugtest my heavy hack of Ryan Kusnery's DOS Befunge93 interpreter < 1256411633 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://board.flatassembler.net/download.php?id=4623 < 1256411641 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you run it on mycology? < 1256411644 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work for me, but more eyes is best < 1256411658 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I suspect that won't run due to it using 128*128 by default (which I didn't change) < 1256411683 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology's first 80x25 are valid Befunge-93, you can just cut that bit out for interpreters that won't accept bigger files < 1256411702 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1256411725 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what files exactly? aren't there a few I need to run on? < 1256411729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1256411761 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, Ryan's webpage is pretty much AWOL now, and I fixed three bugs (and shrank it a lot) < 1256411770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sanity.bf, first 80x25 of mycology.b98, mycorand.bf, mycouser.b98 < 1256411772 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :original TASM version: 1280 bytes, my hacked FASM version: 1021 bytes < 1256411813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel download done < 1256411919 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what is sanity.bf supposed to do exactly?? < 1256411927 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop infinitely?? crash gracefully?? < 1256411927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a readme, you know. < 1256411941 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of them should infloop or crash. :-P < 1256411965 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"should reflect" ... what exactly does that mean? < 1256411985 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IP should reverse direction and then continue on its way. < 1256411985 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go opposite direction? < 1256411997 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? and that's standard practice?? < 1256412002 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of anyone relying on that < 1256412005 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is? < 1256412017 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference C version does that? (lemme check) < 1256412101 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not so much "standard practice" as it is "dictated by the Funge-98 standard", which is what Mycology is testing ;-) < 1256412117 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -93 standard might be silent about it, I'm not sure. < 1256412119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just to confirm < 1256412125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make whateverconfig < 1256412125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make < 1256412128 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BEF-2.2.1.ZIP version (bef.c) seems to print it okay but hangs < 1256412131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it,right? < 1256412133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it, right < 1256412156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it probably just ignores invalid commands. < 1256412169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can relax that requirement, then. < 1256412179 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I do 'make bzImage' < 1256412185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that achieve < 1256412187 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will whine about invalid commands unless -q is specified, though < 1256412193 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bef.c was updated in 2004) < 1256412200 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't know, it's just what I do. < 1256412203 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compresses with Bzip2 < 1256412204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1256412209 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller kernel < 1256412214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, that's not what it does. < 1256412216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about those noconfig, embedded things < 1256412224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I still use the fancy GUIs? < 1256412235 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what's it do? < 1256412235 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compression is specified in the .config, not by using 'bzImage'. < 1256412241 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It builds the kernel image. < 1256412251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's any different from plain 'make'. < 1256412259 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I started with allnoconfig and then used menuconfig. < 1256412269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howdothembedded? < 1256412277 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see what bef.c does now ... it ignores invalid instructions but your "intentionally inValid" string has a "v" which makes it loop endlessly downwards :-P < 1256412301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it didn't have a v, it'd endlessly print the string. :-P < 1256412324 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since it'd go back to the start.) < 1256412326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: do you do embedded in menuconfig? < 1256412336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a perfectly normal option. < 1256412347 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't remember where, may have been "general setup". < 1256412370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if this compiles with Apple's gcc 4.0 < 1256412372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess we'll see < 1256412376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*4.0.1 < 1256412393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fdimage - Create 1.4MB boot floppy image (arch/x86/boot/fdimage) < 1256412400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder where it gets the root FS from < 1256412440 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycorand seems to work < 1256412447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries gconfig < 1256412472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendly! < 1256412477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like a too bad UI. < 1256412493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION show all options < 1256412496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret that < 1256412527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gives crazy things like GENERIC_TIME < 1256412532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no description < 1256412544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What's your record at; Deewiant: What's your record at < 1256412554 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-24 21:13:28 ( Deewiant) Found another option to disable, got 285536 (279 K) for a 386. < 1256412556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(First is "boots to shell w/ kb", second is "fails to do anything at aa ll") < 1256412558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at all < 1256412560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 32-bit, then. < 1256412566 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 32-bit. < 1256412573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more like 16-bit. :-P < 1256412586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good point, I'll disable X86_32. < 1256412587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Did you look at the SCARY_UPPERCASE_OPTIONS?) < 1256412605 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't look in the .config after that, if that's what you mean. < 1256412633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries menuconfig < 1256412639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it hides that stuff < 1256412663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enable loadable module support (NEW)" < 1256412664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW AND SCARY < 1256412692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disabling the block layer won't help me run a shell, that's for sure < 1256412700 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1256412718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you actually need any I/O schedulers, or will it just do some dumbfuck retarded thing if you don't enable any? :D < 1256412763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if a tickless system would result in less code < 1256412766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING < 1256412785 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a default scheduler of some kind if you disable them all. < 1256412806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, the no-op scheduler! < 1256412847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one. < 1256412853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Which gave best compression for you, LZMA and no UPX? < 1256412915 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1256412925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Support for paging of anonymous memory (swap)" < 1256412933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They make it sound all so exciting and revolutionary. < 1256412936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every single boring option. < 1256412941 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1256412963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPC? Now what would I want IPC for < 1256412983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Select kernel log buffer size as power of two" < 1256412992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WONDER IF THAT GOES INTO THE BINARY < 1256413004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No) < 1256413024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"remove sysfs features which" what is this sysfs < 1256413035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namespaces support? srsly?! < 1256413044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay how the fuck do you uncheck an option < 1256413054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In menuconfig, 'n' < 1256413086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just brings up the gtk search-in-this-list thingy < 1256413101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for easy-to-use GUIs < 1256413139 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nope, hangs on B93 part of mycology < 1256413141 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, whatever < 1256413151 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your testsuite is maybe a little too "hardcore" ;-) < 1256413164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the reference impl? < 1256413168 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my examples I tried seem to work, though, so I guess until I figure out what exactly, it's "good enough" < 1256413170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It shouldn't) < 1256413186 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference says "0 1" < 1256413190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO YOU DISABLE THIS NAMESPACES SUPPORT ARGH < 1256413204 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely, "0 1 " < 1256413205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that sucks < 1256413229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sucks quite a bit, actually; it should definitely say "0 1 2 ", at least :-P < 1256413241 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, pumpkin-flavor ice cream < 1256413271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, oh, but pressing y on an item works, and then pops up the find thingy anyway < 1256413274 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only instructions hit by the time you get to "0 1 2" are 0#>. 1v<2 < 1256413280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy! And so does n! < 1256413283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTUITIVE < 1256413306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems you just can't turn off that lovable namespace support < 1256413309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it in .config < 1256413350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embedded: "Only use this if you really know what you are doing." < 1256413356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha < 1256413376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legacy 16-bit UID syscall wrappers, eh? Wonder if going 32-bit only + that would be smaller than 16-bit. (Nah?) < 1256413387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1256413391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Linux even boot a 16-bit x86 < 1256413396 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the last option I disabled to get to 279K instead of 280K. < 1256413469 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a word that English needs: hypersubtext < 1256413487 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, Linux needs a 386+ ... but ELKS can run on 8088/8086 (never tried) < 1256413489 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where you add extra meaning to some text by making words into links < 1256413493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: It really doesn't < 1256413507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for those 16-bit syscall wrappers is, IIRC, for the sake of DOSemu. < 1256413508 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 32-bit code is almost always larger than 16-bit < 1256413512 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encyclopedia Dramatica does it a fair bit < 1256413516 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSEMU needs V86 mode < 1256413522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: No shit, but I don't need 16-bit code if I can't boot into it :P < 1256413544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gconfig is worthless, menuconfig time < 1256413546 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, BIOS somewhere maybe?? < 1256413591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, namespaces support is built-in < 1256413604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, as in < 1256413607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not disableable < 1256413619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you check embedded! Yay! < 1256413620 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: Which gave best compression for you, LZMA and no UPX? < 1256413625 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPX supports LZMA too < 1256413628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1256413630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as good < 1256413648 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 'cause it's old LZMA 4.43 < 1256413653 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1256413657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ This option is provided for the case where no hotplug or uevent │ < 1256413659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ capabilities is wanted by the kernel. You should only consider │ < 1256413659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ disabling this option for embedded systems that do not use modules, a │ < 1256413659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ dynamic /dev tree, or dynamic device discovery. Just say Y. │ < 1256413661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just say N" < 1256413667 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, so nobody here has ever heard of or tried pumpkin-flavored ice cream???? o_O < 1256413671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1256413680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printk? Who the fuck wants printk? < 1256413688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fags, that's who. < 1256413689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAGS want printk. < 1256413689 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you, obviously < 1256413695 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, devs obviously < 1256413700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC SPEAKER?! < 1256413702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pah! < 1256413705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spit on PC speakers! < 1256413708 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256413719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ Disabling this option will cause the kernel to be built without │ < 1256413719 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spitting on one makes the same sound as its music ;-) < 1256413719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ support for "fast userspace mutexes". The resulting kernel may not │ < 1256413719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ run glibc-based applications correctly. │ < 1256413722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about glibc? < 1256413727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wonder if it'll make it smaller. < 1256413730 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, PC speaker can play analog samples, too < 1256413731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBABLY < 1256413731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disabled < 1256413731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: What's your record at; Deewiant: What's your record at <-- just back again < 1256413736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not done yet < 1256413739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epoll < 1256413740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like < 1256413741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fagpoll < 1256413742 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, everything uses glibc ... < 1256413750 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My DOBELA interpreter doesn't < 1256413754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shared memory? Bulllllllllshit < 1256413754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's uclibx. < 1256413756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Busybox doesn't < 1256413758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BTW, PC speaker can play analog samples, too <-- yes. In ALSA < 1256413762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like shit < 1256413763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried it < 1256413765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND BUSYBOX IS ALL THAT MATTERS < 1256413766 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean I suspect you'll want it < 1256413768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought busybox used a libc? < 1256413770 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? heh < 1256413770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some other things that don't use libc don't, either. < 1256413783 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant most big apps that most people use < 1256413786 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though absolutely nothing glibc-specific) < 1256413786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: We're competing for smallest kernel that can boot a shell to an x86 with a console, keyboard, < 1256413791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and busybox shell < 1256413793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and utilities < 1256413798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox uses ulibc, I think; possibly statically linked < 1256413804 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, try FreeDOS ;-) < 1256413807 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :45k UPX'd < 1256413808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things shall get GNARLY < 1256413811 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell is 66k UPX'd < 1256413812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: It's a game, you see. < 1256413812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A game. < 1256413814 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think possibly you could have a busybox shell without utilities ;-) < 1256413816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: busybox uses whatever libc you want to link it with. < 1256413822 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I *completely* understand < 1256413834 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spent the last two days whittling down a 1213-byte .COM to 1021 bytes ;-) < 1256413838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any idea where I can find an a.out compiler/linker < 1256413840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the user land < 1256413841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM event counters? laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame < 1256413845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get it under 1KiB? < 1256413848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Compile one < 1256413849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Grab gcc-3 or gcc-2. < 1256413853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1256413860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 3.4? < 1256413860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old versions of gcc < 1256413861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even gcc 4.0. < 1256413865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Strip assembler-generated symbols during link" FUCK YES < 1256413869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's been removed in the latest version. < 1256413870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they deprecated a.out recently < 1256413875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have gcc 4.0.1 < 1256413877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can still do it, I think < 1256413880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaaaaaay < 1256413886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Still need to build a new gcc. < 1256413890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enable doublefault exception handler" no way < 1256413897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disable heap randomisation? < 1256413899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a different target) < 1256413900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably takes up code, doesn't it < 1256413904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOESN'T IT < 1256413908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1256413912 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahahaha < 1256413915 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so crazy it's funny < 1256413919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLAB, SLUB or SLOB. SLOB is "Simple Allocator". < 1256413922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's the smallest. < 1256413927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE SPACE EFFICIENT < 1256413927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLOB is the smallest. < 1256413929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRASTICALLY SIMPLER < 1256413931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEPENDS ON EMBEDDED < 1256413933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256413940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed that one. < 1256413949 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, BasicLinux is pretty small, so is tomsrtbt or BlueFlops < 1256413949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you -fomit-frame-pointer on the kernel? :P < 1256413956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Dude, those are whole meg floppies < 1256413961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going for 200 KiB range to start with < 1256413962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, there's a config option for that. < 1256413964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy grail is under 100 KiB < 1256413968 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the kernel only < 1256413970 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be small-ish < 1256413975 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, what version are you trying, 2.6? < 1256413980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latest < 1256413981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the fun < 1256413983 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256413992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so bloated and cute < 1256414000 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Smash TV): "Good luck, you'll need it!" < 1256414008 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, even Linus called it bloated < 1256414010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the dynamic ticks / tickless system will have less code? < 1256414015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't have to handle... ticks... does it?! < 1256414023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it has to handle a bunch of other shit too I guess :P < 1256414028 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1256414032 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it in a moment < 1256414041 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :277K with SLOB instead of SLAB. < 1256414049 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(283232) < 1256414060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ Calculate simpler /proc//wchan values. If this option │ < 1256414061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ is disabled then wchan values will recurse back to the │ < 1256414061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ caller function. This provides more accurate wchan values, │ < 1256414062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ at the expense of slightly more scheduling overhead. │ < 1256414063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simpler, ey < 1256414066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1256414068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/proc < 1256414070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRRRRRRRRRR-ELEVANT < 1256414093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pentium Pro? PENTIUM FUCKING PRO? < 1256414093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a rich asshole < 1256414093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a 386 man < 1256414093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's all I am < 1256414113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Generic x86 support's optimisations will decrease code size < 1256414132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ Enabled scanning of DMI to identify machine quirks. Say Y │ < 1256414132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ here unless you have verified that your setup is not │ < 1256414132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ affected by entries in the DMI blacklist. Required by PNP │ < 1256414133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ BIOS code. │ < 1256414134 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sorry, tickless adds about 2K. < 1256414135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dare I disable it < 1256414139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARE I DISABLE IT < 1256414156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I dare < 1256414179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No forced preemption, last code < 1256414180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*less < 1256414181 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/linus-torvalds-gives-windows-7-a-big-thumbs-up/ < 1256414181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Generic X86 adds about 9K. < 1256414183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man this will be slow as shit < 1256414187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Old < 1256414207 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: it *is* Torvalds < 1256414209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ This option is required by programs like DOSEMU to run 16-bit legacy │ < 1256414210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ code on X86 processors. It also may be needed by software like │ < 1256414210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ XFree86 to initialize some video cards via BIOS. Disabling this │ < 1256414211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ option saves about 6k. │ < 1256414212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPREME BULLSHIT < 1256414217 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't certain when I say it before < 1256414222 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*saw < 1256414235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you got high memory support on, Deewiant? < 1256414236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO < 1256414236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEEDS < 1256414237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT < 1256414242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not. < 1256414249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ This is the portion of low virtual memory which should be protected │ < 1256414249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ from userspace allocation. Keeping a user from writing to low pages │ < 1256414249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ can help reduce the impact of kernel NULL pointer bugs. │ < 1256414252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if that affects the binary < 1256414256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFIG_DEFAULT_MMAP_MIN_ADDR < 1256414259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, size < 1256414259 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100Hz instead of 250 -> 282960 < 1256414267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that l ower < 1256414269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lower < 1256414271 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1256414276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything below 100Hz < 1256414279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1256414286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACK IT IN < 1256414293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0Hz!! < 1256414299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ (0x1000000) Physical address where the kernel is loaded (NEW) │ │ < 1256414300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ (0x1000000) Alignment value to which kernel should be aligned │ │ < 1256414300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerching? < 1256414307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even 1000Hz was smaller than 250Hz, actually < 1256414312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256414312 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kerching? < 1256414317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, relevant? < 1256414321 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have them at 0 and 0x10000 < 1256414330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that change the actual binary < 1256414331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size < 1256414334 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me < 1256414343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256414362 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently 0xffff also works for the latter... will see if that changes anything < 1256414387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enables a.out support, I'll have to crosscompile the binaries anyway < 1256414404 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, #error "Invalid value for CONFIG_PHYSICAL_ALIGN" < 1256414453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even at 0x2000 it's still 282960. < 1256414460 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is the generic kernel? < 1256414467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think it has to be sizeof(void*)-aligned. < 1256414468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The generic kernel"? < 1256414469 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why not try something like Minix instead? (probably smaller) < 1256414478 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic as in "everything included" < 1256414482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Missing the point FTW. < 1256414483 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It didn't accept 0x1000 or anything smaller starting with 0x1 < 1256414489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hmm. < 1256414516 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying this isn't a worthy exercise, but Minix is probably more "minimal" < 1256414518 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x2000 was the smallest power of two it accepted < 1256414523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm 323264 < 1256414524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1256414529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD: │ < 1256414529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ < 1256414529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ Say yes to avoid building firmware. Firmware is usually shipped │ < 1256414530 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What why < 1256414532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ with the driver, and only when updating the firmware a rebuild │ < 1256414532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, with or without upx? < 1256414535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ should be made. │ < 1256414537 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without. < 1256414538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD < 1256414540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If unsure say Y" < 1256414542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good anyway < 1256414544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enables block devices SHOCK HORROR < 1256414546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... floppy disk, RAM block, or VeryOldHardDisk. < 1256414548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably RAM block is the simplest, but then everything has to fit into the bootsector < 1256414551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT PRACTICAL < 1256414552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that would be awesome < 1256414553 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Since you don't have extra firmware I don't think that makes a difference < 1256414556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1256414558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flood < 1256414559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah your was minimal unusable right? < 1256414560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does it make it smaller? < 1256414564 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yep < 1256414566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256414570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alignment < 1256414571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1256414594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 2009-10-24 22:00:52 ( Deewiant) Even at 0x2000 it's still 282960. < 1256414606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, just confirming < 1256414614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether Very old hard disk or Normal floppy disk will be smaller < 1256414633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I'm building an allyesconfig for you < 1256414656 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1256414656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256414662 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think *BSD is typically like 8 MB for generic < 1256414669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that support all architectures, Deewiant? < 1256414670 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This'll be 32-bit < 1256414675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KERNELGLOT < 1256414675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I doubt it? < 1256414678 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OpenBSD is a little smaller due to no modules or compatibility or whatever, I think) < 1256414684 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what flavour of x86 it selects anyway < 1256414694 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the default, which is that PentiumPro or whatever < 1256414697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sort of stuff has some sorta practical usage! http://stali.suckless.org/ < 1256414705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Pfft, Core2 4eva < 1256414724 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: This won't have any modules, of course < 1256414732 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since everything'll be built-in. :-P < 1256414740 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, GCC doesn't really do much beyond PPro (CMOV..) < 1256414745 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've timed the build... < 1256414748 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's what it means < 1256414752 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's okay < 1256414756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So guys, very old hard disk or floppy < 1256414761 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one guy told me it took him 30 mins. to rebuild his FreeBSD kernel < 1256414763 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it knows about some instruction timings / whatever < 1256414774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no floppy, no disk for me < 1256414776 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppy < 1256414782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm going for initramfs instead < 1256414783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wherefore art thou busybox < 1256414785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a single binary < 1256414785 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. on x86 processor X instruction I is preferable to J, but not on processor Y. < 1256414786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: LOL < 1256414789 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, good :-) < 1256414790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That'll bloat the shit out of it < 1256414798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I suspect it will be smaller < 1256414806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Why floppy, why not disk < 1256414818 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes, but "pentiumpro" is just a synonym for "i686" anyways (and "generic", last I checked) < 1256414823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It explicitly states the disk thing is for very old disks and is unfancy < 1256414848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Sure, but "yonah" and "core2" and whatever aren't, so it does do something with that info. :-P < 1256414867 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely < 1256414868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There is a third option: try both! < 1256414877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy < 1256414883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: It implies various SSE things, of course. < 1256414895 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but GCC isn't too great at that (although at least 4.3.2+ tries ...) < 1256414905 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if the kernel benefits from that at all unless you build in the various crypto algos < 1256414906 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very weakly, but it does try < 1256414909 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256414914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1256414916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My thteory < 1256414917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory < 1256414921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The floppy disk thing is common < 1256414921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More bloat < 1256414928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So old creaky minimal disk = less bloat < 1256414933 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, there is no Core1 tuning at all, I think you have to use prescott (or maybe nocona) < 1256414936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you can't use SSE in kernel sanely iirc < 1256414940 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that most people have that (me either) < 1256414947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core = netburst < 1256414951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netburst = Pentium4 < 1256414961 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Core 1 was based upon Pentium-M < 1256414965 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was mobile P3 w/ SSE2 < 1256414968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why not? < 1256414970 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lot less energy needed < 1256414970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, lzma? < 1256414976 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... < 1256414982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1256414989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: You're right < 1256414990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P6 < 1256414994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, 329824 < 1256414994 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core 1 didn't support 64-bit, though < 1256414999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is smallest I get with block layer < 1256415015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic HID support = keyboard, right? < 1256415019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1256415025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1256415025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, generic hid is USB stuff < 1256415028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want that < 1256415030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew, USB :P < 1256415031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLOAT < 1256415044 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it'll be a miracle if this thing runs at all ;-) < 1256415045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just enable AT keyboard under input devices < 1256415058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, didn't notice that < 1256415085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Are you sure an XT keyboard wouldn't be less bloated :-) < 1256415098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anything that can emulate it? < 1256415099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game is basically "Find the bits of Linux everyone else has forgotten about" < 1256415114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh? < 1256415115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's just a parallel port board, ask the guys at geekhack.org to find one, they'll hook you up an ebay link in a pinch :P < 1256415125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The more popular bits of Linux are "improved" more < 1256415128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := more blaot < 1256415130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bloat < 1256415133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : heh < 1256415137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're digging to find stuff retained from the olden days < 1256415144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway 329824 for me. Not tested < 1256415146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The generic input layer can't be removed, though < 1256415160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you disable sysfs, I wonder < 1256415167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, file systems < 1256415168 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wtf, I have virtual terminal support < 1256415170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX FILE LOCKING API? BULLSHIT < 1256415171 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this crap!! < 1256415171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo ones < 1256415174 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Away with it < 1256415175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :D < 1256415182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, needed for actual terminal < 1256415191 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya think? < 1256415195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256415202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext2, ext3, ext4, murderfs oops I mean reiserfs < 1256415203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you aren't doing ehird's < 1256415209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS, XFS... all bloated piles of shit < 1256415212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, DOS/FAT/NT It is < 1256415214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^______^ < 1256415217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah, ramfs < 1256415219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1256415226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, forgot to enable any fs < 1256415227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bet I beat you eventually < 1256415238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ This option will enlarge your kernel by about 7 KB. If unsure, │ < 1256415239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ answer Y. This will only work if you said Y to "DOS FAT fs support" │ < 1256415239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ as well. To compile this as a module, choose M here: the module will │ < 1256415239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ be called msdos. │ < 1256415245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I just have FAT12 :( < 1256415245 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, 255232. < 1256415246 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :250K. < 1256415260 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(VTs are bloated! That was 10%) < 1256415263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1256415266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :romfs I meant < 1256415267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ramfs < 1256415275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256415278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's totally cool" — CONFIG_PROC_FS < 1256415287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool and GIGANTIC < 1256415301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allyesconfig is still building happily < 1256415309 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what GCC, BTW? < 1256415318 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.4.1 < 1256415326 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, slow bastard ;-) < 1256415333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Make sure to enable US-ASCII in Native language support < 1256415334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in filesystems < 1256415344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you need to have at least one there < 1256415346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Root device is (252, 0) < 1256415346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setup is 11980 bytes (padded to 12288 bytes). < 1256415346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System is 312 kB < 1256415346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRC cc56d59b < 1256415346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel: arch/x86/boot/bzImage is ready (#4) < 1256415346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon ~/src/kernel/linux-2.6.31.5 $ du -b arch/x86/boot/bzImage < 1256415348 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I admire you using it (most Linuxes don't even have beyond 4.3.3 yet) < 1256415348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :331280 arch/x86/boot/bzImage < 1256415351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no need < 1256415355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, unless you are doing FAT < 1256415359 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 4.4.2 is out ;-)) < 1256415359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1256415366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1256415370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Arch Linux's package. < 1256415371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why, is ASCII built-in? It's an option < 1256415375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1256415378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1256415380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256415381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with FAT disks for now < 1256415383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can always change it < 1256415390 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAT == BLOAT !!! < 1256415393 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1256415394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAT == FAT < 1256415395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't built in. Kernel uses unicode for FSes internally < 1256415401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNICODE? < 1256415404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG BLOAT HUGE < 1256415406 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1256415408 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1256415409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODE LOTS OF CODE KILL < 1256415412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pretty sure yes < 1256415428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, probably it doesn't actually care < 1256415429 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nothing, Win7 needs 16 GB of space (and twice that if you use XP Mode) < 1256415438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to it, it is just "not \0, not /" < 1256415443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ [*] Early printk (NEW) │ │ < 1256415444 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Win7 is more than just a kernel. < 1256415449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work, I don't even have printk < 1256415457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he < 1256415464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He what?!?!?! < 1256415466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe untested paths < 1256415468 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it lets 5-year-old girls make slideshows with copyrighted songs < 1256415469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "heh" < 1256415474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ [ ] Use 4Kb for kernel stacks instead of 8Kb │ │ < 1256415477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Reduces size? < 1256415485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ This option allows trapping of rare doublefault exceptions that │ < 1256415486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ would otherwise cause a system to silently reboot. Disabling this │ < 1256415486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ option saves about 4k and might cause you much additional grey │ < 1256415486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ hair. │ < 1256415488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE < 1256415493 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good find. < 1256415495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No port-IO delay < 1256415498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disable that < 1256415499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nearby < 1256415502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1256415513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ │ [ ] Allow gcc to uninline functions marked 'inline' │ │ < 1256415517 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1256415519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Might that shrink it? < 1256415520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1256415522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enabling it < 1256415523 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might. < 1256415523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1256415526 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if it does. < 1256415537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might, didn't test without it < 1256415538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I'm done. < 1256415541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, how do I save? < 1256415543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that automatically done? < 1256415552 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit and it'll ask < 1256415555 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-march=i386 -Os -s -fomit-frame-pointer -malign-jumps=2 -malign-loops=2 -malign-functions=2 (I think ... although this is obviously untested on a kernel) < 1256415559 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an explicit save at the top-level < 1256415570 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo, allyesconfig is LD'ing < 1256415575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And taking a while < 1256415577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Downloads/linux-2.6.31.5]$ cp .config ../linuxconfig < 1256415581 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've used Gold :-D < 1256415584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for make bzImage????? < 1256415592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just make? < 1256415594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long will this take, I wonder < 1256415597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Deewiant does it this way < 1256415598 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256415607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh < 1256415609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error error error < 1256415610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm* < 1256415610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wants elf.h < 1256415612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How surprising < 1256415616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, uh < 1256415622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone wanna build this for me? < 1256415623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, worked for me? < 1256415624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't really, you know < 1256415625 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Hey, 255424 with 4kb stacks < 1256415626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get elf.h < 1256415627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being on OS X < 1256415627 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pessimization!! < 1256415629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And such < 1256415630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :D < 1256415633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Increase the stacks! < 1256415639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can't you < 1256415653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one of you kindly fellows can I enlist to copy this .config over and build it < 1256415658 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_09/mn7105_cover.gif < 1256415660 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8kb stacks was 255232 < 1256415673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where is it? < 1256415673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo, allyesconfig is done < 1256415678 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27M < 1256415679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :D < 1256415680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28285056 < 1256415680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: My disk < 1256415681 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: ^ < 1256415684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Quite small < 1256415687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Quite small < 1256415688 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LZMA'd < 1256415690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, upload it somewher < 1256415691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Want me to pastebin it? < 1256415693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah < 1256415697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, want to wget it < 1256415699 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 MB? stripped? < 1256415705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strip -s? < 1256415709 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a Mac!! :-) < 1256415717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's an Apple < 1256415717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what? < 1256415726 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just strip < 1256415731 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain strip < 1256415733 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strip:bzImage: File format not recognized < 1256415739 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't do LZMA. < 1256415740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pastie.org/668209.txt?key=dxgyzbdi6maappqvzlocq < 1256415742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Thanks < 1256415742 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably. < 1256415744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: (for 32-bit please) < 1256415754 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, 27 MB is pretty big < 1256415755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFIG_OUTPUT_FORMAT="elf32-i386" < 1256415756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurgh < 1256415763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the ability to make that a.out? < 1256415782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, uh, please do :/ < 1256415785 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Well, Linux does support a lot more stuff than your average BSD. < 1256415790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, going < 1256415796 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, it's three times as big! < 1256415797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going < 1256415798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gone! < 1256415802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1256415803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... < 1256415808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1256415809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I only have gcc 4.x here < 1256415815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with this being ubuntu < 1256415817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? 4.0.1 does it, I think :P < 1256415823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 4.3 < 1256415826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, ELF is fine < 1256415829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel only supports a.out < 1256415830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah < 1256415837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to crosscompile to compile the busyboxing < 1256415842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can you even use elf.h on a non-ELF system < 1256415848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have 4.4 and 4.5-snapshot too < 1256415855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the latter one miscompiles everything < 1256415863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's handy < 1256415868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah isn't it < 1256415872 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! < 1256415875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it does do LTO though < 1256415888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, your kernel: 342976 arch/x86/boot/bzImage < 1256415904 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 342544 < 1256415909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was 331280 < 1256415911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good first start < 1256415913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP < 1256415931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, want me to upload the bzimage somewhere? < 1256415936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna have to get jiggy wit' it, as is the vernacular, I gather, to further this downwardsly < 1256415939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, give me a command line to execute to do it < 1256415942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should use cur, < 1256415943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl* < 1256415944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's an ELF that can only load a.outs and I have no system to do anything < 1256415945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no < 1256415956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, who cares if it works if it works in theory? < 1256415968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you said it had to boot in a VM? < 1256415970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally < 1256415974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEORETICALLY < 1256415978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who tests things/ < 1256415980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1256415981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That takes work. < 1256415989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1256415997 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10/24/2009 02:26 PM 11,481,646 netbsd-GENERIC < 1256416002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the MISC binary support is smaller than the a.out binary support < 1256416007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ If you say Y here, it will be possible to plug wrapper-driven binary │ < 1256416008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CC net/nonet.o < 1256416008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LD net/ieee802154/built-in.o < 1256416008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LD net/wireless/built-in.o < 1256416008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LD net/built-in.o < 1256416008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ formats into the kernel. You will like this especially when you use │ < 1256416008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ programs that need an interpreter to run like Java, Python, .NET or │ < 1256416009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ Emacs-Lisp. It's also useful if you often run DOS executables under │ < 1256416010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, what < 1256416012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was interesting ^ < 1256416012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THIS HORROR < 1256416016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THIS HORROR < 1256416019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ooh < 1256416023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must expurgate < 1256416040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't be done. I checked < 1256416043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1256416044 0 :madbrain!n=madbrain@modemcable175.136-81-70.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1256416046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LD drivers/video/backlight/built-in.o < 1256416049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that though... can < 1256416056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................................... You can't get rid of wireless? < 1256416058 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon Philosophy is a complex subject filled with contradictions. Many subphilosophies are used of it, based on opinion, context, and other things. For example, I have the terms "strongly basic" and "weakly basic" used to describe some things, and other terms are used too. Maybe you can guess what these terms mean, maybe not. Maybe I should make a wiki of it < 1256416058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, want full built output < 1256416060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1256416060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that fucking bullshit crapass < 1256416062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Suer < 1256416064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sire < 1256416064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1256416065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1256416074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is just a placeholder wireless thingy < 1256416086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just done /backlight, nothing I can find < 1256416090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To disable < 1256416114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, under video stuff < 1256416118 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetBSD: 11.5 MB, Linux: 27 MB < 1256416121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway http://pastebin.ca/1641881 < 1256416122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where, I searched < 1256416122 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a difference < 1256416130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does romfs on a floppy disk or something < 1256416146 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone ever tried BefiOS? < 1256416156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ This is a very small read-only file system mainly intended for │ < 1256416157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ initial ram disks of installation disks, but it could be used for │ < 1256416157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ other read-only media as well. Read │ < 1256416158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : │ for details. │ < 1256416159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect < 1256416159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I'm not sure whether 'allyesconfig' is the fully generic thing, anyway; it may include a lot of 'disable X'. < 1256416162 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, BefOS < 1256416164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I told you < 1256416171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a floppy < 1256416173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's genius < 1256416174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a disk < 1256416177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever is smaller. < 1256416191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you only get one more compile from me < 1256416196 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catseye.tc/projects/befos/ < 1256416197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'm busy < 1256416199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I have to pay? < 1256416205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ooh good idea < 1256416214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Deewiant < 1256416222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see which is bigger, floppy disk driiver or very old hard disk driver < 1256416222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx < 1256416250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file arch/x86/kernel/acpi/built-in.o < 1256416250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/x86/kernel/acpi/built-in.o: current ar archive < 1256416252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil < 1256416254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.o < 1256416256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a *.a < 1256416274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -b arch/x86/kernel/acpi/built-in.o < 1256416274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 arch/x86/kernel/acpi/built-in.o < 1256416297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or file could be misdetecting < 1256416343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, [ ] Supported processor vendors ---> < 1256416345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that < 1256416349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disable all but one < 1256416355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should remove some code to check < 1256416358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the other ones < 1256416372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it might be in the padded setup hm < 1256416395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally disabled < 1256416421 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain! < 1256416422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yo < 1256416425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi augur < 1256416431 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1256416445 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird rain < 1256416453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its making some pinging noise outside < 1256416468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sounds just like the name ping in limechat < 1256416472 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256416489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, hail? < 1256416493 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1256416512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps Deewiant < 1256416633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cv < 1256416660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oooh may I see your CV < 1256416669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghjkl < 1256416673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that answers your question < 1256416727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1256416736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitions of CV on the Web: < 1256416737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curriculum vitae: a summary of your academic and work history < 1256416737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one hundred five: being five more than one hundred < 1256416737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1256416738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1256416740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to know which of these is smaller :< < 1256416771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't you have a linux install on there? < 1256416774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use it < 1256416778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fj < 1256416791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.fj is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Fiji. < 1256416809 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: isn't the english name for CV "resumé" ? < 1256416825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain, maybe. CV is the term I heard for it here in Sweden < 1256416833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't know about English name for it < 1256416842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cv is used in uk english < 1256416868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go then < 1256416880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about US, AU or CA English? < 1256416932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably it is something like "dinga-waly" in AU English anyway :P) < 1256416940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sorry, I rebooted to Windows. :-P < 1256416949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1256416949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha fuck you :| < 1256416953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And you < 1256416968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ask augur to do it! < 1256416974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur uses os x < 1256416976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dolt < 1256416991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah but if you told him "fuck you" it would be a lot funnier < 1256416997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1256417016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just reboot into linux yourself < 1256417026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use a VM < 1256417043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :steps omitted: get hfs+ reading fucking working, move file, move kernel over, get used to the new environment, reconnect to irc, blah bla hla ldfgdfklv,hbjk < 1256417085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh. Just pastebin it, write down url on paper, enter the url again on the other side < 1256417091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and start using a bouncer again < 1256417095 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256417100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and redownload all the kernel? < 1256417109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my dog-slow internet that costs £15 per GB? < 1256417113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh forgot that it took more than ~20 seconds for you < 1256417114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 15 £ in sek < 1256417115 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 UK = 166.055793 Swedish kronor < 1256417131 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie two beers? :D < 1256417137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it takes about one minute for me < 1256417143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£15/GB?! That sucks ass < 1256417145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 seconds is Deewiant < 1256417149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Verily < 1256417154 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wasn't it 5 seconds? < 1256417156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is mobile and 3G, you understand < 1256417163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pricing is incomprehensible < 1256417166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mobile sucks ass < 1256417172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh I thought that was "time left" < 1256417174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe < 1256417175 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, in canada, mobile internet is like 3¢/kb < 1256417180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Land line connection hasn't migrated sucks ass < 1256417181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for downloading 60-megabyte files :-P < 1256417185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will only be 3-4 Mb when it has sucks ass < 1256417191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: What, mobile "broadband"? < 1256417192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wired < 1256417199 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 30000$/Gb < 1256417204 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, not wired < 1256417212 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically cell phone internet < 1256417227 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used in a place like mexico to get roaming charges < 1256417232 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Maybe, I didn't look at it in too much detail myself. < 1256417240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok just checked 74s at 819K/s < 1256417243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wget < 1256417264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I move to Sweden and steal that 4 Gb connection they gave to that guy's grandma < 1256417266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'LL ALL BE CRYING < 1256417268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND NOT LAUGHING < 1256417270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRYING INSTEAD < 1256417278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um this is 8 mbit down ADSL < 1256417280 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: specifically this http://your.rogers.com/Business/productsservices/wireless/servicesaddons/pccards.asp?&cm_mmc=grdrt-_-all-_-en-_-stick < 1256417281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 mbit up < 1256417290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Your statement is apropos of nothing < 1256417300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh grandma < 1256417303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: more or less expensive, I'm too tired to work it out < 1256417306 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros just downloaded a 60M file with my 3G stick, which is contractually limited to 384k. I guess it was some 15 minutes. < 1256417309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Some internet guy < 1256417311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 40 gbps < 1256417313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it < 1256417315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1256417316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1256417318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure? < 1256417322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% < 1256417363 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: like, some people used it in the dominican republic and raked up bills of 1500$ from 3 or 4 sessions of about 10 minutes each < 1256417365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep fingering the keyboard for my f key's nub, but I replaced it with another key < 1256417368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: ha < 1256417389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mobile roaming has some really incredible prices. And often huge granularity in the pricing. < 1256417422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just depressing that I'm gonna make the leap from mobile ... to ... 3-4 Mb adsl < 1256417425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking woop < 1256417437 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roaming GPRS in Italy (for our Finnish operators) was something like 10 EUR/megabyte. < 1256417469 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Data Other data 4,220.00 Kb 211.00DL $211.00 Txt "" < 1256417485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But since one operator counted it in 10k block, sending small emails with a custom-built proggie was still cheaper than SMS.) < 1256417488 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256417495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/block/blocks/ < 1256417529 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's why mobile telephony isn't as popular in canada as in other countries... their rates are astronomic < 1256417537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's the altparty supercomputer democompo real soon now. < 1256417581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't get cable, fibre-optic, pony-delivered internet, anything here, just regular adsl dog slow at 3-4 Mb/s because the exchange is in another fucking town >_< < 1256417583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid internets < 1256417597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had invited a guy from Cray, and he had brought one of those "put-it-unside-your-desk" "supercomputers" (Cray CX1, I think) with him. (The actual competition used one of CSC's machines, I think.) < 1256417609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unside? < 1256417660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Under", heh. < 1256417676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently they're running it with the CX1 too, a shame. Makes sense, though. < 1256417688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, hey fizzie < 1256417692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youuuuuuuuuuuuu have a linux system don't you < 1256417692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:E < 1256417694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1256417696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1256417711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mWAHAhAHAHAHAHahAHAHAHAHAHA < 1256417711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem. < 1256417717 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple, yes, but I'm not actually at them right now. < 1256417725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSES! Foiled again! < 1256417755 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256417868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ncurses? < 1256417875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush. < 1256417904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.altparty.org/2009/competition-rules.html#csc-compo and "Technical specifications"; it's just that you can't really call the CX1 a "supercomputer"; it's just a small commodity cluster compressed into a tiny-ish box. (Okay, so the infiniband network is a bit special.) < 1256418574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All supercomputers are commodity clusters < 1256418576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days < 1256418651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they come in bigger boxes. < 1256418949 0 :jix!n=jix@g224146037.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1256419047 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cray parallel computer demo eh? < 1256419065 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a challenge < 1256419198 0 :Oranjer1!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256419259 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256419267 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! < 1256419293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay garlic < 1256419296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256419305 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay tomato < 1256419314 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ehird, AnMaster < 1256419318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, no, I just ate half a garlic < 1256419319 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256419324 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256419324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a piece of bread < 1256419330 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1256419331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay water < 1256419341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slurp* < 1256419342 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, I am glad that water exists < 1256419349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND garlic < 1256419352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256419356 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummm < 1256419362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :garlic flavoured water? < 1256419370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea [y/Y]? < 1256419372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1256419378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1256419479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, on the other hand, userfriendly took a rather unexpected turn as of recently < 1256419487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc you read (or at least read) it?) < 1256419492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1256419506 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what < 1256419509 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webcomics < 1256419520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(curses, past tense of read is read) < 1256419525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah ncurses) < 1256419532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, iwc and uf? < 1256419545 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what < 1256419549 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwc and uf? < 1256419551 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O??? < 1256419551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1256419553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i understood your tenses perfectly :D < 1256419573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just answered your question Oranjer1 < 1256419579 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1256419598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, that is, "irregular webcomic" and "userfriendly" < 1256419612 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1256419658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rf/r f/ < 1256419669 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay oerjan okay < 1256419676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, where < 1256419680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there < 1256419694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am glad my attempt to be obscure worked < 1256419697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: i understood your tenses per fectly :D <-- ? < 1256419706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I assuem < 1256419707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats AnMaster -----### < 1256419717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, prefectly! < 1256419724 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256419724 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on I am scared this scares me < 1256419725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes intentional) < 1256419736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: user friendly in two words < 1256419740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256419761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, you are always so emotional and confused... < 1256419767 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1256419774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256419782 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's your emotional trauma? < 1256419783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, you keep reminding me of Sgeo < 1256419787 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1: fnord noting in almost every case the well-nigh omnipresent sculptures, which indeed seem to have difficulty in seeing at night, he tethered his zebra to a sapling and fnord himself deliberately north along garrison street. by the time dr. waite called in person, having obtained his name and fortune. so the youth had found himself working, chilled and clad only in the fnord air. the temperature was rapidly ascending, < 1256419792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1256419793 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft* nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1256419796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hahaha < 1256419799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1256419806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, perfect! < 1256419834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds traumatic indeed < 1256419841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah < 1256419860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sadly less so than one could have hoped with that style < 1256419865 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"having obtained his name and fortune" :O < 1256419874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, really? < 1256419874 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, say something scary < 1256419877 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: through the gates of his lost boyhood which caused a number of these the good man could truly tell nothing. it is an impression quite similar to one which i have granted eleven times only to beings of your planet five times only to beings of your planet five times only to beings of your planet five times only to beings of your planet five times only to beings of your planet five times only to those you call men, or th < 1256419877 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256419895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1256419898 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1256419901 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we broke it < 1256419905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't have missed your line Oranjer1 < 1256419907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1256419914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is non-euclidean in that style < 1256419918 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1256419924 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot. < 1256419926 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1: and tore him to pieces before my eyes. a moment later i had raised one of the current arkham tales is about fat oaks that shine and move as they ought to be. they told me the hideous secret of nyarlathotep, with that torrent of wind and shrieking sound growing moment by moment, and then < 1256419943 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEN WHAT < 1256419955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, to scared to continue < 1256419959 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1256419965 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does remind me of that one game < 1256419970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game < 1256419973 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you traverse some stories < 1256419979 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Missing that line was perfectly normal: the last few were to him, so the anti-spamming filter kicked in. < 1256419979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1256419979 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovecraft's one of them < 1256419985 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try to find a link < 1256419991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wrong order < 1256419995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot, really? < 1256419995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot, say something scary < 1256419996 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: outside, across the putrid moat and under the sea; but carter did not see this time the bodies must have been sent fnord. i am telling the truth, and i literally raced along the fnord brink, but at no time did he give up hope. early this year he made great fnord through a book he desperately fnord so at length they strove to exercise fnord, fnord < 1256419997 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: decade on every hand, while on his chest and of apelike claws on his back; and when they had a kind of force that doesn't belong in our part of space where form does not exist at all, but concerned the more abstract matters which i have since found highly characteristic of him that this part of the lore of the past was his undoing. he stumbled on things no mortal ought ever to know, for then mankind would have become < 1256420011 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: On the same second < 1256420017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm true < 1256420022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've seen yours later. < 1256420028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1256420050 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez I'm all up for random fnord's but that's too much < 1256420070 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovecraft has a lot of fnords < 1256420079 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1256420083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:28] Oranjer1: what's going on I am scared this scares me < 1256420083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely pfsc. except too excited. < 1256420084 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell of depressing < 1256420094 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfsc < 1256420096 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256420101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/ < 1256420113 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1256420116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the day where we refer to webcomics in acronyms < 1256420117 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of that < 1256420125 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I despise acronyms < 1256420127 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256420133 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I said it what now huh < 1256420167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION punches Oranjer1 < 1256420176 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256420176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, I assume you don't dislike TLAs at least? < 1256420188 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh no ? < 1256420202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, so all acronyms except TLAs then? < 1256420228 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh google time < 1256420256 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uh I am okay with no length of acronym sorry < 1256420271 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLA's (three letter acronyms) are out as well < 1256420299 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am okay with acronyms though if you put WTSF (what they stand for) immediately after the first time you mention them < 1256420326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pfsc hm? < 1256420327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTFTSF < 1256420330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked at it < 1256420334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange < 1256420349 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha I get that ehird < 1256420351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, captain obvious < 1256420359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am promoting you to general obvious < 1256420362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your keen insights into the absolutely obvious < 1256420364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, AnMaster < 1256420366 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer buttersafe and Perry Bible Fellowship < 1256420375 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256420379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbf stopped updating often and i became a sad person < 1256420385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am okay with acronyms though if you put WTSF (what they stand for) immediately after the first time you mention them <-- I did. Some months ago < 1256420389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost a year by now < 1256420391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1256420392 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jayisgames.com/archives/2009/08/silent_conversation.php < 1256420393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1256420401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, when I first read iwc < 1256420407 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no each time you say it in a new medium < 1256420413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer1, that was on irc too < 1256420415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to oerjan < 1256420419 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each new conversation! :O < 1256420423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE THAT GAME < 1256420426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even a game < 1256420428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just shit < 1256420434 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry ehird you are foolish < 1256420441 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOOL < 1256420441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://jayisgames.com/archives/2009/08/silent_conversation.php <-- what is it about < 1256420442 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISH < 1256420445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no flash < 1256420448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate flash < 1256420459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you AnMaster. we care about your opinion on flash < 1256420459 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you...you don't even have a flash player plug-in? < 1256420460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deeply < 1256420465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please mention it to us all the time < 1256420470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, never mind < 1256420471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already do < 1256420475 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, ehird, guess what < 1256420480 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster hates flash < 1256420484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOES HE < 1256420485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1256420493 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know I was like "wow" too < 1256420503 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Oranjer < 1256420508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, no java plugin either < 1256420513 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez man < 1256420517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE SO RADICAL ANMASTER < 1256420519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, and javascript turned off < 1256420520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep fighting the good fight < 1256420523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viva la revolucion! < 1256420523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1256420526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick it to the man < 1256420526 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one thing to hate it but uh you are missing out a lot I would say < 1256420529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us some more, this is practically erotica < 1256420531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEEK < 1256420532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REVOLUTION < 1256420532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EROTICA < 1256420538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ugh < 1256420545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was getting kinda tired of the once every two week thing hearing it, so < 1256420548 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean flash is like the best way to get games out there < 1256420552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could deliver some flash/java/javascript related hate every day < 1256420553 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in real quick time < 1256420553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be just fine < 1256420556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nice idea though < 1256420558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1256420558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1256420563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do it. < 1256420564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly lynx screenshots? < 1256420567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s≥ < 1256420571 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256420592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in real quick time <-- quicktime movies can play in vlc at least < 1256420638 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quick time < 1256420642 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I love vlc < 1256420651 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLC PLAYER < 1256420655 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1256420658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, what < 1256420666 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it plays my downloaded movies and shows! < 1256420670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes < 1256420673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1256420676 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay copyright infringement < 1256420677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" VLC PLAYER" < 1256420679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that line < 1256420682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, *blink* < 1256420685 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE I LOVE IT < 1256420687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a fucking movie player < 1256420689 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay vlc player < 1256420693 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256420694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like mplayer or xine < 1256420696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1256420698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also it is just a fucking flash player < 1256420701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops hypocrite < 1256420708 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahahahaha < 1256420709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: quicktime+perian bitch < 1256420710 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooh < 1256420711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? No. < 1256420714 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perian? < 1256420716 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1256420750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how is a flash plugin related to a standalone movie player? < 1256420761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading comprehension! < 1256420762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaaay < 1256420763 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lostgarden.com/2009/07/flash-love-letter-2009-part-1.html < 1256420764 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lostgarden.com/2009/08/flash-love-letter-2009-part-2.html < 1256420768 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here ya go that's all you need < 1256420772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what you said made no sense < 1256420777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty averse to clicking those links < 1256420784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it did, you're just an idiot who can't understand context < 1256420787 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you trust me ehird < 1256420791 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are on a blog < 1256420794 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are two blog posts < 1256420833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.google.com/File?id=dfd2pvnx_87f78mt7g7_b < 1256420834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot ghost < 1256420839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly less hot ghost < 1256420843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warm ghost < 1256420851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barbershop-coloured remains of outline of ghost < 1256420853 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256420865 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no release" < 1256420868 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1256420871 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impotence < 1256420887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is among many of the things that barbershop-coloured remains of outlines of ghosts cannot do < 1256420906 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1256420930 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those barbershop-colored remains of outlines of ghosts should take some pills or something < 1256420936 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some herbal tea < 1256420953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they cannot drink < 1256420955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or swallow < 1256420959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do not have mouths < 1256420960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :throats < 1256420961 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256420962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood < 1256420964 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is sad < 1256420964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stomach < 1256420966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those things < 1256420967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1256420968 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! < 1256420972 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can rub things on them < 1256420981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they do not have solidity < 1256420983 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some patches and sponges full of medico < 1256420985 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1256420990 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can....pray for them? < 1256420997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god is not real < 1256421007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : those barbershop-colored remains of outlines of ghosts should take some pills or something < 1256421008 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU PRAY FOR THE SOUL OF A LOST GHOST < 1256421009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1256421012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barbershop-coloured? < 1256421018 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah AnMaster < 1256421020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just give Oranjer all the credit < 1256421021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dickhaed < 1256421025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, how is that? < 1256421028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ea < 1256421028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or you < 1256421034 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, he said it < 1256421048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barbershop coloured < 1256421051 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have said "merely red dashed", but ehird set a precedent < 1256421051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please explain < 1256421064 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please explain fungot < 1256421065 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: of rather uneven fnord quality, but to those in the ward household it was overshadowed by the odour which instantly followed it; a hideous, fnord odour which non of them had come. ahead stretched double rows of pillars, and to < 1256421077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1004/1424010678_52efa2603a.jpg < 1256421079 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1256421089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh that < 1256421090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256421124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err that pic makes no sense < 1256421126 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha before I saw the hairpieces and wigs part I thought it was amazing that a barber could make a bald man have hair < 1256421140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, yeah what I just meant < 1256421146 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha < 1256421157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that too < 1256421162 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta go SEVERAL STEPS ahead or you will be lost < 1256421163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1256421164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wig" < 1256421164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1256421171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256421172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256421176 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1256421177 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1256421180 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read my links? < 1256421184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256421188 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least skim them? < 1256421195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, what links? < 1256421200 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lostgarden.com/2009/07/flash-love-letter-2009-part-1.html < 1256421200 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lostgarden.com/2009/08/flash-love-letter-2009-part-2.html < 1256421211 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about flash and whatnot < 1256421223 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly *to* flash developers, though < 1256421232 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he talks about its potential and whatnot < 1256421237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lkjnhuygftrd' < 1256421239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1256421241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1256421264 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez ehird I can't imagine what you would find interesting < 1256421279 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some mindless activity without any constructive results? :O < 1256421281 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooh < 1256421289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs, OSs, hci, concepts relating to thereof and derivatives < 1256421292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense < 1256421297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these things are acceptable < 1256421302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a goat < 1256421315 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1256421403 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot what do you do? < 1256421404 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: fnord and inclined toward the amiable and innocuous phantasy of sir j. m. on train no. 5508, leaving bellows falls at fnord p.m. it ought, i calculated, to get up to arkham at least by the next century had become known as delapore. < 1256421418 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1256421421 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow train that is < 1256421456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256421545 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ehird < 1256421635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hci? < 1256421643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :human-computer interaction < 1256421651 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or interface < 1256421660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1256421660 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so I have heard) < 1256421664 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-168-8.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1256421671 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh? < 1256421676 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your thing, then? < 1256421688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: AnMaster was upset when he couldn't make kde 4 look like kde 2 < 1256421694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they dropped an incredibly minor preference from the terminal application < 1256421697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step away, quick! < 1256421700 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh kde < 1256421704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before a tornado engulfs this place! < 1256421706 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? < 1256421711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1256421716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you actually asking < 1256421718 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by kde < 1256421721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god i hate my life < 1256421722 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THAT < 1256421724 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1256421725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone kill me < 1256421731 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS AN ACRONYM < 1256421739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you Oranjer you sure do use a lot of capital letters < 1256421739 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because of your conduct, ehird, I refuse to google it < 1256421744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, a recursive one < 1256421746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok your loss < 1256421753 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ehird no ehird < 1256421771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, yeah what is your age < 1256421772 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like a meme blender < 1256421778 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am 18 < 1256421778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects slightly older than ehird  < 1256421779 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1256421781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most < 1256421782 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1256421785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, no way < 1256421787 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant :O < 1256421792 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what is wrong < 1256421795 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256421800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, more like 15? < 1256421804 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1256421806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to guess 30-something with mental disorder :) < 1256421821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on the other hand you are not typical for your age < 1256421828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i totally am < 1256421829 0 :Rugxulo!n=chatzill@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256421830 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256421833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no way < 1256421836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the planet is populated with bitter 14-year-old intellectuals < 1256421840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're just plotting < 1256421842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lying in wait < 1256421843 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how do I make the bot run a timed Befunge command? < 1256421845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the day comes < 1256421846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE DAY COMES < 1256421847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who program in haskell < 1256421848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256421848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: you don't < 1256421850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1256421857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to create our infernal machines < 1256421860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of world domination, you see < 1256421861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are no longer 14 by then < 1256421869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT < 1256421871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is where you are mistaken < 1256421875 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well somebody run this and tell me how long it takes: "91+:*-:0`#@ #._" < 1256421876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for we have stopped the aging process entirely < 1256421876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1256421878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHIUWHAIUhiauwhiusdfghkjkl;l' < 1256421881 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey I have heard of kde < 1256421881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh hah < 1256421882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1256421883 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay me < 1256421894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think xfce looks very nice < 1256421897 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf +++. < 1256421898 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1256421901 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit more acronyms < 1256421914 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1256421915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, not sure < 1256421919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be the actual name < 1256421922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pol dns qos loga mt < 1256421922 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1256421925 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1256421925 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1256421935 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1256421946 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay yeah it says "The developers' current stance is that the initialism no longer stands for anything specific." < 1256421959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, on kde of xfce? < 1256421965 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfce < 1256421968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256421991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, what was it originally? < 1256422001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM ANGRY < 1256422003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about flowers < 1256422008 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"XForms Common Environment" < 1256422009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1256422020 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the newer ones no longer use XForms, apparently < 1256422029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was xforms? < 1256422030 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do flowers anger you so ehird < 1256422033 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X11 F*cks Computers Everywhere" ;-) < 1256422038 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a toolkit < 1256422052 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XForms_%28toolkit%29 < 1256422053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 Flourishingly Craps Eggs < 1256422058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, you mean "fucks? < 1256422060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eggs of 80s legacy, you understand. < 1256422074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no? < 1256422078 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean "fuchs" :-P < 1256422080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Br**nfuck < 1256422122 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh*rd < 1256422140 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t3h 3v1l 0n3 < 1256422147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs Rugxulo < 1256422148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256422149 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256422150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs Rugxulo < 1256422150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs Rugxulo < 1256422151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs Rugxulo < 1256422156 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION coffs on ehird with an elf < 1256422156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256422156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256422156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs Rugxulo < 1256422156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ru*xulo yeah < 1256422162 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you stabbing people hardly proves you are not evil < 1256422166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: A.out! < 1256422168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That HURTS! < 1256422171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that again! < 1256422172 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B.out! < 1256422178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A.out a.out a.out a.out AAAAAAAAA.OUT! < 1256422182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, you fail at references < 1256422186 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256422190 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is A.out what < 1256422192 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a b.out? (forgets) < 1256422193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "coffs on ehird with an elf" < 1256422193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: perhaps you do < 1256422194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, google it < 1256422198 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1256422200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no... < 1256422203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "b.out" < 1256422204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: COFF, ELF < 1256422204 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOGLE TAKE ME AWAY < 1256422205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1256422206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot < 1256422212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I got that duh < 1256422218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.out yes < 1256422220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not b.out < 1256422227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hhow is b.out symbolic of not getting it at all < 1256422227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a throwaway pun < 1256422228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how < 1256422233 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, guess I thought of aoutb < 1256422239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1256422239 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up < 1256422242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1256422257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, first hit on google < 1256422258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,, < 1256422262 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it < 1256422269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, there you go then < 1256422277 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like you people just love your Unix references huh < 1256422288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, um what < 1256422296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, because we all *use* unix more or less < 1256422299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of us use Unix/Linux < 1256422300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ehird uses OS X < 1256422300 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256422301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly most of us < 1256422308 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(((( ))))) < 1256422309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is *nix based < 1256422312 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less? that is the question ... < 1256422317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counterpoint: < 1256422321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, this is a programming channel < 1256422327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal. Deewiant. that's two off the top of my head < 1256422328 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1256422335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, too < 1256422337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i believe lifthrasiir too, though that's vaguer < 1256422339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oerjan < 1256422342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1256422348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oranjer :P) < 1256422348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway Deewiant dual-boots < 1256422352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo < 1256422352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so doesn't count < 1256422356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it does count < 1256422359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's in it a good portion of the time < 1256422364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol also has ubuntu machines < 1256422365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant < 1256422368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal < 1256422368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1256422373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1256422376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Deewiant uses linux most of the time nowdays iirc < 1256422379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, maybe 51% of us use *nix < 1256422384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But definitely not a vast majority < 1256422399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, immibis probably does. that's just a guess though. < 1256422405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(windows) < 1256422407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mostly only uses Linux when he wants to get on the web quickly < 1256422418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I have to get ready to go to school, or some such < 1256422423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows loads slowly < 1256422427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256422432 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which Windows? < 1256422432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah the simple mind of Sgeo < 1256422434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, even from suspend to disk? < 1256422435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like clockwork! < 1256422445 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, XP < 1256422448 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't suspend to disk, you sleep/standby (or whatever they call it now) < 1256422455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, from hibernate is great < 1256422463 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP loads to GUI fast but isn't as usable right away (still has stuff to load) < 1256422465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I only started playing with that recently < 1256422468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, um it is the same basically < 1256422488 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, one way keeps it in RAM, the other writes it to disk < 1256422493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1256422500 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspend to disk == hibernate < 1256422501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIBWHATEVER = SAME AS SUSPEND TO DISK < 1256422506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I meant < 1256422512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops the caps < 1256422512 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's not the same as standby < 1256422519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, I never said it was < 1256422522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so irrelevant < 1256422522 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[10:13] oh, immibis probably does. that's just a guess though. < 1256422523 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1256422528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use windows. < 1256422530 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you need ehird's cherry, then you won't be poppin' that Caps no mo' < 1256422540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1256422547 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION make silly joke < 1256422548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, it is supposed to be an additional ctrl < 1256422557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not sure what went wrong there < 1256422566 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Soviet Russia, Caps control YOU!!! < 1256422571 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering how i got involved in that though... < 1256422573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST SLAMMED DOWN ON CAPS LOCK REALLY HARD < 1256422574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FELT GOOD < 1256422580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: listing the people who use windows in here. < 1256422588 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't bust yer cherry < 1256422598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah we got to know who we should stalk < 1256422601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that gun < 1256422602 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah geex I am sorry for mentioning OS's in a programming channel I will never do that again < 1256422607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, ↑ < 1256422618 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ↑ <-- what is this character? < 1256422624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, an up arrow < 1256422630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, you fail at unicode < 1256422632 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-T? (can't remember) < 1256422642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, ? AltGr-shift-U < 1256422643 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, Ctrl-X < 1256422645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I used < 1256422648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the up-arrow < 1256422656 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't been able to find a client that runs on windows, supports scripting, supports unicode, and is free < 1256422673 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make one immibis!!!!! < 1256422675 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatzilla? ERC? < 1256422676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, xchat silverex edition? < 1256422681 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely one of those is scriptable < 1256422691 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat isn't free on windows though... < 1256422692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, erc is... by definition < 1256422698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, silverex edition < 1256422699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said < 1256422704 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured as much (but never tried) < 1256422704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chatzilla does those < 1256422704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a free xchat for windows < 1256422706 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries chatzilla < 1256422707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, mirc < 1256422714 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc ain't free < 1256422718 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wants free < 1256422721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is, nobody registers it. < 1256422726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just bugs you for a few seconds < 1256422729 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we've been over this before < 1256422737 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firefox prevented this site (addons.mozilla.org) from asking you to install software on your computer." <-- lol? < 1256422738 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be free (like ten years ago) but isn't anymore < 1256422761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: get the standalone < 1256422763 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha immibis < 1256422765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chatzilla.rdmsoft.com or whatever < 1256422771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, "from asking"? < 1256422774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: it just gives a nag screen < 1256422834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is a standalone chatzilla? < 1256422842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1256422845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody sane uses the browser plugin < 1256422850 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1256422853 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HydraIRC is open source, supports DLL plugins, not sure if that qualifies as "scripting", though < 1256422864 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sane, then < 1256422874 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, we ARE in #esoteric < 1256422874 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what < 1256422882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I used to use the browser plugin < 1256422887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that was rather unusual circumstances < 1256422891 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot what OS do you regularly use? < 1256422891 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: by h. p. lovecraft and anna helen fnord < 1256422896 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256422903 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256422939 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge 51*.@ < 1256422939 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1256422945 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang it < 1256422979 0 :immibis_!n=immibis@125-236-168-8.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1256422991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, try < 1256422992 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D< < 1256422993 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Not that there is anything wrong with that" < 1256423000 0 :immibis_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immibis < 1256423002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge 55+,51*.@ < 1256423003 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1256423004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1256423009 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256423009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge 51*.55+,@ < 1256423010 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1256423014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1256423015 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256423016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is odd < 1256423028 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird knows how to make it work < 1256423033 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge 51*.@ > /dev/null < 1256423034 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1256423036 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I make ChatZilla auto-identify? < 1256423039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256423042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge 51*.55+,@ < 1256423042 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1256423044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1256423050 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge 51*.@ < 1256423050 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1256423053 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahahahaha < 1256423056 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge 51+.@ < 1256423056 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1256423061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1256423064 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I learn befunge huh? < 1256423070 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1256423074 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh okay < 1256423076 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 98 is too much, stick to 93 < 1256423086 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other languages should I learn simultaneously < 1256423097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a"sey ,rejnarO">:#,_@ < 1256423098 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, yes < 1256423099 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge 91+:*-:0`#@ #._ < 1256423110 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETA < 1256423115 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha < 1256423117 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1256423117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, what do you think that should do? < 1256423137 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually give me a number (I know it's slow) ;-) < 1256423137 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like APL, in that it reads from right to left < 1256423148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, no it doesn't < 1256423154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads in different directions < 1256423154 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1256423157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending < 1256423158 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not read from right to left, just sometimes it's easier to push strings backwards < 1256423158 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1256423161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that particular program's going left to right < 1256423166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the string is written backwards < 1256423168 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can read up, down, left, right < 1256423173 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's two dimensional < 1256423173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also diagonally < 1256423174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, it is stack based though < 1256423178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, and diagonally < 1256423180 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :93 can't do diagonal < 1256423183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left and right are the only ones practical on IRC, though < 1256423188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, I don't care about 93 < 1256423192 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256423194 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1256423194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wrote cfunge < 1256423203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 <@_,#! #:<"Oranjer: other way around"a < 1256423203 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: other way around < 1256423207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fastest 98-implementation until fizzie gets going on jitfunge < 1256423210 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know, can't compile it < 1256423212 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhh < 1256423216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that program's going right-to-left < 1256423219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the string is /still/ backwards < 1256423221 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ustream.tv/channel/altparty cray democompo live stream < 1256423229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: are you a spambot < 1256423233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that one sure was ugly < 1256423233 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cray?? < 1256423234 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256423238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, why are you in /this/ channel? < 1256423240 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain noooooooooo spam please < 1256423241 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How's t hat? < 1256423244 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain < 1256423246 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain < 1256423247 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1256423248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell madbrain that he shouldn't be here < 1256423249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, <@_,#! #:< < 1256423250 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there were veiled suggestions of a monstrous fnord but could not sleep, and whilst the squat yellow foe may be creeping silently upon us. i had encountered the thing it hinted at, was more than a fraction of lord dunsany's fnord fnord blackness of the shaft. < 1256423254 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it feel to be spammed madbrain < 1256423256 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Something wrong? :-P < 1256423269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: bots don't care if they're spammed < 1256423274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog will just be happily recording it all < 1256423281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wasn't that were fizzie was too? < 1256423284 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought madbrain was a person < 1256423301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Would you've preferred r #;>:#,_@; or something? < 1256423308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pretty sure madbrain is *NOT* a bot < 1256423308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... madbrain claims to be on mir < 1256423310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mirc < 1256423314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah < 1256423315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe < 1256423324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but liking mirc is enough of a reason to ban someone < 1256423336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You don't like that fairly standard right-to-left string printer? < 1256423339 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge 9:*.@ < 1256423339 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :81 < 1256423353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed I don't < 1256423354 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, wonder why the other query never returned :-P < 1256423360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, why not? < 1256423361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefer >:#,_ < 1256423371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I put things that way < 1256423379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space-inefficient :-P < 1256423390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if it is, you are doing it wrong < 1256423394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you are < 1256423401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :restructure your whole program around the strings < 1256423407 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am not a bot < 1256423416 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello madbrain < 1256423417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a sufficiently esolangy way of doing it < 1256423418 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuuuuure ;-) < 1256423424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this "structure" you speak of < 1256423428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh haha < 1256423433 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge does not lend itself well to structure < 1256423443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, modular block design < 1256423445 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking for video Befunge Tutorials < 1256423447 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it kinda does, but it's just not cool that way :-P < 1256423465 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know a of programming-language-tutorial making program? < 1256423468 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1256423473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I have a hard time coding *un*structured < 1256423491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1256423500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there are any good Befunge tutorials around < 1256423503 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put what you want to do next wherever your cursor is :-P < 1256423504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the easier esolangs, though < 1256423507 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge works well that way < 1256423519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, global variables < 1256423522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of stuff < 1256423536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I end up writing a frigging design document for all befunge programs :( < 1256423547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put 'em at (0,0) and nearby so they're quick to access < 1256423566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how to remember what one was used where? < 1256423570 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, try ZBefunge under Frotz, that's a good way to learn < 1256423576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually don't have too many < 1256423578 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh okay < 1256423585 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"under Frotz" what does that mean < 1256423589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a lot, put a comment wherever you start using them < 1256423594 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interactive fiction interpreter (Z machine) < 1256423603 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ha < 1256423604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, literate befunge :D < 1256423607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I love that < 1256423611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1256423618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes really < 1256423620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that a lot < 1256423627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 50/50 split < 1256423633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TOYS test in Mycology is a good example of my Befunge commenting IIRC < 1256423643 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still completely unreadable < 1256423643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, don't remember it < 1256423649 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far from literate < 1256423661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel can be a good place to learn until people tell you off for spamming < 1256423662 0 :immibis_!n=immibis@125-236-168-8.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1256423678 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, take a gander at this: http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=10599 < 1256423685 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1256423685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, start thinking about feather please < 1256423696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please don't, I'm busy enough as it is < 1256423700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more or less recovering from madness < 1256423703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I have been slightly < 1256423703 0 :immibis_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immibis < 1256423714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. I think my problems can be solved by a #?# operators < 1256423716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*operator < 1256423718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, befunge98 I hope < 1256423723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which determines if an arbitrary object is # or not < 1256423723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge93 is not interesting < 1256423728 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, 93 only < 1256423732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, fail < 1256423745 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's plenty interesting unless you want really weird functionality < 1256423748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :93 is so much easier to write an interp for than 98... < 1256423749 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to be fun, not serious < 1256423750 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I must go now < 1256423752 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while < 1256423759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "is same as"? < 1256423760 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya peoples < 1256423765 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 93 is /too/ easy to write an interpreter for :-P < 1256423769 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 seems like a joke on a joke, as in "lets be UNfun" < 1256423773 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly due to the 80x25 limit < 1256423775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed < 1256423785 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be-*un*fun-ge < 1256423788 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Hey, it's design by committee < 1256423790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 is actually usable, 93 has too mayn aribtrary restricitons < 1256423806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1256423809 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dare I ask, but what have you written in 98 then? < 1256423818 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything useful or interesting? < 1256423822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology! < 1256423823 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1256423826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use Befunge much < 1256423829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, oh, a mine sweeper game. most of it. Not completely finished yet < 1256423832 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: bo-ring ;-) < 1256423836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most parts of it work < 1256423843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a Deadfish interp once, I forget which version of Befunge, maybe it worked in both < 1256423844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing it is/was plenty of fun < 1256423889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang needs an article on Challenger < 1256423896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh what? < 1256423897 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, Deewiant, I suspect the official B93 interpreter only printed "0 1 " due to line buffering, it must've choked later on (obviously) < 1256423900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lang looks like a cross between Befunge and Sansism, atm < 1256423909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the space shuttle? < 1256423911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's mentioned behind Rugxulo's link < 1256423919 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I'm surprised it even gave "0 1 " if it's line buffered < 1256423920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sansism? < 1256423922 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenger was inspired a bit by Befunge with Tomasz's flair to it < 1256423927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sansism < 1256424007 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he named it after the shuttle, dunno why < 1256424029 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he was gonna call it something related to 86 (a la 386) but '86 was the year of the crash, so .... < 1256424109 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, if only mtve was actually here ... :-P < 1256424135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1256424159 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTV Europe < 1256424365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1256424517 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? 'cause he's interested in Befunge, ETA, etc. < 1256424541 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my point is that he's here but not "here" here) < 1256424613 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, if everyone is silent, guess I'll jet off < 1256424625 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1256424628 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256424630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... this channel isn't constantly active < 1256424633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's nice when it's ontopic < 1256424689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256424869 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1256424908 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you recreate the "chess" effect, ie a complex game with emergent properties from simple rules < 1256425147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain, eh < 1256425150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1256425658 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: allow many choices and long term effect of them? < 1256425735 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while allowing similar choices to have similar effects in the short term? (so it is possible to detect certain patterns) < 1256425745 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be my first attempt < 1256425763 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256425798 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a problem of how non-linear the choice space is pver time < 1256425837 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's too non-linear it's hard for moves to have long term consequences and it esentially becomes a sort of flip choice game at the end < 1256425858 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's too linear then making each choice and the game becomes too simple < 1256426474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's sort of that chaos = border betwen order and disorder thing... < 1256426474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →→→ < 1256426513 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: that's a great question < 1256426559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except a little closer to order, so humans have a chance to grasp it < 1256427759 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like in CA there's thin line seperating patterns that shrink from those that expand... :-) < 1256427845 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wants to learn how to write an Operating System < 1256427966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: and a thin line of those CAs that have complicated behavior at your thin line, iirc < 1256428222 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256428522 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there are wikis about it < 1256428531 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could start from something that already exists < 1256428532 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, I'm reading OSDev right now < 1256428542 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a colorForth derivative < 1256428569 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a retroForth derivative