< 1255480798 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1255480847 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1255481823 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1255481867 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1255486108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1255491144 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1255491661 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1255493078 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1255493234 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1255494991 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255498558 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255500677 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1255500700 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1255502360 0 :pingveno!n=quassel@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1255503600 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1255503649 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255503935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1255505848 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-169-7-53.range86-169.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1255507010 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1255507199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1255507200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1255508109 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1255508791 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@81.99.192.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255509938 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1255509947 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-98-2.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1255511207 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1255512267 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1255514367 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1255514369 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1255514370 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i need an algorithm for the game of life without a need to store the previous copy (the one before processing) of the map < 1255515842 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.134.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255515974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y helo dar < 1255516081 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1255516086 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know an algorithm for the game of life without a need to store the previous copy (the one before processing) of the map < 1255516096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; that's every life algorithm ever. < 1255516187 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1255516187 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these require you to compare against the previous copy < 1255516187 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the copy being edited < 1255516187 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most work as such: < 1255516187 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) duplicate the map < 1255516187 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) process blocks against the duplicate < 1255516187 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) goto step 1 < 1255516200 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't do #1 < 1255516203 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can have more cell types < 1255516384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: You are totally wrong. < 1255516404 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's in perl < 1255516406 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's for a game < 1255516411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Wait, what? Your steps make no sense. < 1255516413 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 256x256x256 map takes up 400mb of ram thanks to perl < 1255516418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1255516419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude. < 1255516421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix your data structures. < 1255516425 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scalars? < 1255516427 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't fix scalars < 1255516428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...256x256x256? < 1255516433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is 2D < 1255516435 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't feel like doing a rewrite of code by someone else < 1255516438 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's for Minecraft < 1255516445 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and game of life is just an extra piece of code < 1255516455 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made brainf**k work in it < 1255516467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I was almost considering helping you but you went and censored brainfuck. < 1255516480 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use the f-word < 1255516481 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1255516492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you do. < 1255516495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"f**k" < 1255516496 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1255516497 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1255516502 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use the UNCENSORED f-word < 1255516518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the f-word, I can clearly see it and understand it as the f word and if it was meant as an insult I'd be just insulted (—except not really, because I'd be too busy laughing at the ridiculousness of censoring such an insult). < 1255516518 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the world ends: ais523 has actually been thinking about Feather | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | asiekierka is back < 1255516530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few asterisks makes no difference, no matter what some idiotic prudes may think. < 1255516533 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1255516535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the world ends: ais523 has actually been thinking about Feather | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1255516535 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1255516538 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just say BF < 1255516543 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wut, topic wars again? :O < 1255516604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22+7*3 < 1255516630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh, my keyboard is so sweaty. < 1255517605 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1255517611 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only 43 < 1255517730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1255518406 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.134.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255518412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1255518473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets fun idea
< 1255518789 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1255521559 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1255521559 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-169-7-53.range86-169.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1255521772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this idea could work. could work. < 1255523698 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1255524095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION faxes fax
< 1255524179 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255527379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mouse is lagging when web pages load; queer. < 1255528011 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255528883 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255529432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ touch foo < 1255529432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ ls -l foo/..namedfork < 1255529433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: foo/..namedfork: Not a directory < 1255529433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ ls -l foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 ehird staff 0 14 Oct 14:10 foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold the befuddling bemusement of HFS+! < 1255529442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523. < 1255529454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1255529463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ < 1255529474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, ..namedfork is indeed not a directory, but can still be seeked into < 1255529505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just syntactic sugar you can use to access the forks of an HFS+ file with regular filenames. < 1255529510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ echo hi >foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ cat foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1255529523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(..namedfork/rsrc being the resource fork.) < 1255529539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resource forks are information that's bundled with a file? < 1255529547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_fork < 1255529551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Even in Mac OS X, resource forks are seldom used anymore.", though. < 1255529559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anymore", < 1255529633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Especially since, e.g. rsync and similar tools will just not look there, making them be lost on backup. < 1255529641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Apple might have patched rsync at some point to do it. < 1255529653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it fails if you copy data to another filesystem... < 1255529681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort-of like a Windows stringtable, except actually sensible < 1255529704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bonus: < 1255529749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ touch foo < 1255529749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ ls -l foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 ehird staff 0 14 Oct 14:15 foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ echo hi >foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ cat foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1255529752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ rm foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :override rw-r--r-- ehird/staff for foo/..namedfork/rsrc? y < 1255529756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ ls -l foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 ehird staff 0 14 Oct 14:15 foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ cat foo/..namedfork/rsrc < 1255529762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~/Junk]$ < 1255529765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1255529778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why did rm ask to override the file permissions? < 1255529779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and < 1255529780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:11] ais523: presumably, ..namedfork is indeed not a directory, but can still be seeked into < 1255529782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means foo isn't a directory < 1255529787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1255529787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously you can't look at foo/..namedfork < 1255529878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing nobody uses this thing. < 1255529892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, icons are stored in a fork actually iirc < 1255529904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1255529909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows has something similar, but only for .exe files < 1255529913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they screwed up the implementation < 1255529923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'm I not surprised? < 1255529968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is a different attribute mechanism though. < 1255529986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xattrs, which is from other Unices. Still used today. < 1255529998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *does* handle other filesystems: < 1255530006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a file called ._{filename} < 1255530017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and people extracting .zips from OS X users often see them, along with .DS_Store < 1255530019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite annoying. < 1255530031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the ._{filename} stores resource forks too. < 1255530034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__MACOSX < 1255530067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cd /Volumes/DOS < 1255530068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cp /Users/john/file2 . < 1255530068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% xattr --list file2 < 1255530068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file2 < 1255530068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name John < 1255530068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ls -la < 1255530069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1255530071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxrwxrwx 1 john john 4096 Mar 24 22:09 ._file2 < 1255530073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxrwxrwx 1 john john 15 Mar 24 22:09 file2 < 1255530075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2005/04/macosx-10-4.ars/7 < 1255530077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Quite. < 1255530079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's a directory containing them all. < 1255530093 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I extract zips from OS X users it sets the file encryption attribute on the extracted files. :| < 1255530094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder in what circumstances they get put in a directory. < 1255530106 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255530113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: sweet < 1255530115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1255530116 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1255530122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Jobs protecting his intellectual property. < 1255530639 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1255530781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Context? < 1255530790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAARGH! Capital letters! < 1255530793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You scare me < 1255530803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:21] Asztal: When I extract zips from OS X users it sets the file encryption attribute on the extracted files. :| < 1255530804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:21] ais523_ joined the chat room. < 1255530804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:21] ehird: Asztal: sweet < 1255530906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1255530912 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1255532104 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255532128 0 :zbrown!n=suifur@rufius.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1255533300 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bored < 1255533305 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what esolang should be done for minecraft < 1255534256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't...stop...reading... < 1255534389 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1255534404 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1255534886 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1255535423 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@82.66.176.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255536288 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1255537300 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-18-18.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1255537620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why mini-filesystems aren't more widely adopted in OS design. < 1255537649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, you could implement a saved-search dealie as a real directory, usable by any tool using the standard fs API, just by implementing a few filesystem calls. < 1255537684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, you can do it with FUSE, and Plan 9 has similar stuff, but they're too heavyweight to be the best way to do such things without being just a fun hack. < 1255537903 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255538063 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1255538240 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255539355 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1255539870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so hardcore, activating this key by pressing my fingernail on the circuit board < 1255539870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i can't get the keycap back on < 1255539980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: still having keyboard trouble? < 1255539996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm just stuck with an obsessive compulsion to take keycaps off < 1255540016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will, I guess, be fine when i have a proper keyboard with separate keycaps and keyswitches :P < 1255540034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the model m's even better there < 1255540037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a keycap, with the label < 1255540042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underneath, a plastic key < 1255540047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that rests on top of the buckling spring < 1255540055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can rearrange the layout while keeping total full pressable keys < 1255540059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while rearranging) < 1255540069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rubber dome is terrible for that :-) < 1255540083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scissor-switch atm, which is 50x worse < 1255540093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sometimes the switch sticks to the key, sometimes not < 1255540098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, you can still press it with your fingernail < 1255540099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a bitch to get it back on if it sticks to the key < 1255540103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the connections < 1255540107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: True. < 1255540109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With rubber dome you can't press it without some kind of utensil < 1255540116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can even put the rubber cap on and press that down. < 1255540127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scissor-switch degrades to bad rubber dome :P < 1255540132 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1255540148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing on a model m with just the springs would be fun < 1255540291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I'd never found geekhack or browsed elsewhere than the two tenkeyless Filcos on elitekeyboards; then I'd be considering people who spend $256 on a keyboard crazy instead of envying them :( < 1255540337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1255540377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I wouldn't be wondering how to pronounce Topre < 1255540768 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 東プレ = topure so pretty much /topre/ < 1255540843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can't read IPA < 1255541004 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess [o] isn't a sound you're used to but [ɒ] is close enough (top, plop, hot, etc.) < 1255541023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I had taken "toh" for granted, heh < 1255541033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was debating "top-er" vs "to-pray" < 1255541044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "top-ruh" < 1255541047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "top-er" < 1255541134 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[e] is another one which you might not know that well, instead [ɛ] like in "red", "bed", etc. < 1255541185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically "toe press" without the Ss. < 1255541194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait. < 1255541196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toh press. < 1255541197 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope :-) < 1255541198 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1255541202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda. < 1255541210 0 :jix!n=jix@g224145061.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1255541219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The r in there is kinda hard to pronounce with the rest < 1255541297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, we're discussing the pronunciation of an expensive switch used in niche keyboards. < 1255541301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, the r < 1255541303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good afternoon, #esoteric! < 1255541311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*switch's name < 1255541323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computer keyboards < 1255541331 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's [r], not the lame-ass [ɹ] < 1255541337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, we're discussing the pronunciation of the name of an expensive mechanical switch name used in niche computer keyboards. < 1255541341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good afternoon, #esoteric! < 1255541346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Is that latter one the British r? < 1255541354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, fuck you our Rs are awesome. < 1255541377 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that might be the American one < 1255541379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1255541424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the British one is an approximant and not a trill anyways :-P < 1255541550 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia sez [ʋ] is the "mostly idiosyncratic but somewhat dialectal" one, ɻ and ɹ being in "American dialects" < 1255541561 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, those are all approximants < 1255541572 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only Scottish has [r] < 1255541596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a brilliant r it is < 1255541610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, pretty much only Scots can pronounce it, that's a relatively easy way to tell if someone's Scottish or not < 1255541651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scots always sound like they're being jerks and purposefully emphasising their silly accent to me < 1255541655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if they're just speaking normally < 1255541826 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well anyway you probably fail at 60% of the sounds in that word < 1255541832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just give up < 1255541849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :( < 1255541852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a horrible prson < 1255541854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*person < 1255541892 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^____^ < 1255542344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads conspiracy theories about the Microsoft/Danger/T-Mobile thing
< 1255542346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/12/microsofts-sidekickpink-problems-blamed-on-dogfooding-and-sabotage/ < 1255542366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theory is that the reason they couldn't restore from backups is that someone had deliberately sabotaged the backup process < 1255542375 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1255542583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1255544641 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The backups thingy is too unbelievable to be explainable with incompetence? :-> < 1255544670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: considering that they're likely to get sued to oblivion over this, probably < 1255544683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T-Mobile apparently had a SLA with Danger, that Microsoft inherited when they bought them < 1255544704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely deleting all the data stored on a system is about the worst possible breach of an SLA you canget < 1255544705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can get < 1255545159 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you hear that somebody issued commands to delete the data? < 1255545586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: it's suggested by that article above < 1255545591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't state it as fact < 1255545597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned in here that it was a conspiracy theory < 1255545602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not one I necessarily believe < 1255545605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but conspiracy theories are fun to read < 1255545793 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1255547359 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when those who write them are not incoherent frothing-from-mouth types... < 1255549331 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255550835 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d90c77@gateway/web/freenode/x-xoxtppatabeuevgz JOIN :#esoteric < 1255552466 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1255553582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot" < 1255553744 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1255554242 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1255555424 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1255555457 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1255555457 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1255555458 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1255555458 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net 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