< 1255392196 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be bed-time for me < 1255392926 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could make a video-game system for small games and possibly allow some more classic operations < 1255393942 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow... T_c 254K superconductor. I have seen ordinary freezers that can go below that temperature... < 1255394184 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly you could "hardware accelerate" some graphics or sound operations, and there's ample space for craziness in there :D < 1255395005 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :254k semiconductor? what? where? < 1255395174 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :254K < 1255395189 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 254 K, to be pedantic < 1255395582 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia lists superconductors with temperatures up to 138k < 1255395612 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat fact: Wikipedia does not reflect reality < 1255395659 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't find a news item on it < 1255395724 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1255395725 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat fact #2: Wikinews doesn't reflect reality either < 1255395729 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255395730 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try /. < 1255395749 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1255395927 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok i got one < 1255395943 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still looks a bit rough, the kind of results that need confirmation < 1255396029 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255396208 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host) < 1255396211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host) < 1255396255 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, pushing T_c higher and higher is fun. Then there are the actually useful superconductors. Like Magnesium diboride. One of the very few non-ceramic superconductors that don't need LHe cooling (LH2 cooling suffices). < 1255396426 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-ceramic => No lattice to worry about. < 1255396495 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lattice? < 1255396507 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lolboron < 1255396634 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some wild proposals have pipe that transports both electricity and hydrogen by having MgB2 to transport electricity and use liquid hydrogen for cooling while it is being transported. < 1255396697 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1255396782 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are all kinds of wild proposals that "it only takes some engineering". Including 5000km train tunnel that crosses the atlantic... < 1255396860 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that wouldn't require any new materials, unlike stuff like space elevator... < 1255396883 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually a brilliant idea < 1255396895 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the superconducting hydrogen pipe) < 1255396955 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it would be more like cable than pipe... < 1255396962 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess < 1255396974 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it's a great idea < 1255396999 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what B_c that superconductor would have at LH2 boiling point... < 1255397037 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B_c? < 1255397075 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Critical magnetic flux strength. < 1255397087 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*flux density < 1255397200 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That determines how much current superconductor can carry. < 1255397502 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1255398023 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1255399099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!interps < 1255399115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!languages < 1255399120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1255399121 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1255399126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1255399126 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1255399142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lua i see < 1255399204 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen a < 1255399221 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1255399222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: i thought of a bitstring representation that should make quines easy < 1255399223 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 ++++++++++++[>++++++++>+>><<<<-]>+.>--. [34] < 1255399238 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh? < 1255399267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<,$,(<,) <,$,(>,) etc...) < 1255399282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just have to pass it the function of what to do with each bit < 1255399286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc < 1255399475 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closely associated with quines are self-f's. Including self-hashes (program which prints hash of its source code). < 1255399517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then print (, the representation above for each bit, ), then the raw bitstring < 1255399604 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, make bit array, print encoded form and then raw form of the bitstring? < 1255399606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bitstring is the string for that printing program < 1255399611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1255399668 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help bf_txtgen < 1255399668 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for bf_txtgen! < 1255399700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it just makes a bf program to print the string you give < 1255399717 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1255399763 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen foobar < 1255399765 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :66 ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+++++++++++>+><<<<-]>++.>+..<----.-.>+++.>. [310] < 1255399825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: otoh a shorter bit representation will make the quine shorter, probably < 1255399838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wrote something like txtgen for use with PSOX < 1255399847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I did it crappily, with no loops < 1255399883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, it does use [-] < 1255399884 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://trac2.assembla.com/psox/browser/trunk/utils/TEXT2BF.py < 1255399892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1255400287 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I see < 1255400298 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never written a quine before < 1255400391 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Writing quine in Lua is quite simple. First version that I got to syntax-check worked correctly. < 1255400417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: he's not writing a quine in lua, he's writing a quine in his esolang written in lua < 1255400420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk again < 1255400502 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: The basic idea: Write code that takes some kind of string representation of itself, then prints that string representation as it was and then the string representation expanded into code. < 1255400628 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Its easier to first write the code, then work backwards to encode it as data. < 1255400814 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a lua quine is not very hard: s=[[io.write("s=[".."["..s.."]".."]"..s)]]io.write("s=[".."["..s.."]".."]"..s) < 1255400947 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, the symbol set is &<>,$()!? < 1255400962 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't need ? so that makes it 8 < 1255400999 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I can represent those as (<<<,) etc < 1255401788 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I can see how you can do it, but it will generate a fairly huge program < 1255402002 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never written a quine before :( < 1255402173 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1255402231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: oops, that representation above should be (<&,$,(<,) <&,$,(>,) etc...) < 1255402301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't thinking about compressing to just commands though, just characters, since that would be easier (but more verbose) < 1255402322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 vs. 8 bits per command < 1255402323 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's equivalent to (, , etc) no? < 1255402347 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1255402349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you need it only for printing < 1255402352 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1255402356 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1255402429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i guess ($,(<,) $,(>,) ...) would be more flexible < 1255402454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait < 1255402487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually with your tuple closures that could work... < 1255402505 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but your first idea sounded nicer < 1255402606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to handle them three at a time, (<&,$,&&(<,)(<,)(>,) ...) < 1255402669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a whole compressed command) < 1255402746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell map fromEnum "<>,&$!()" < 1255402751 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[60,62,44,38,36,33,40,41] < 1255402792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is only 5 bits varying actually < 1255402795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw < 1255402877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1255402901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<<<,) (<<>,) etc. for your command representations < 1255402920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier to branch on < 1255403384 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly easy to do a version that prints bit per bit though < 1255403395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it should be < 1255403431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to do any explicit looping, i think < 1255403525 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print (, then enter data function with parameter=print "<&,$,(" then switch between "<" and ">" - there's only 1 bit difference! - then ",)" < 1255403576 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then print ), then enter data function again but with (!,) as a parameter :D < 1255403630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1255403646 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is too easy < 1255403761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 9*8 data chars to encode one command though, so i think you can easily trade ease for compression here < 1255403831 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then I have to decode commands into particular ascii chars, which sounds like it would take more code < 1255403841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1255403969 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resulting added complexity might reduce the data compression advantage by a lot < 1255404035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh printing "<&,$,(>,)" itself is going to take some room < 1255404143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!(>) or !(<) for each bit in those, 4*8*9 commands < 1255404148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1255404161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!(>,) or !(<,) for each bit in those, 5*8*9 commands < 1255404173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's going to be the main part of the code < 1255404228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 5*8*9 * 9*8 < 1255404230 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25920 < 1255404235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1255404246 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell (unsafeCoerce 5)::String < 1255404257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely not imported < 1255404263 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is EgoBot trying to chat with me over DCC? < 1255404275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to give you a long error message, i presume < 1255404284 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error message consisting of "b" < 1255404285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything longer than 1 line is sent over DCC < 1255404287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a blank line < 1255404292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1255404292 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it < 1255404298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell (unsafeCoerce 5)::String < 1255404318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:25 =EgoBot> /tmp/input.20929.hs:1:0: Invalid type signature < 1255404328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must not have gotten it soon enoguh < 1255404335 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did EgoBot pm you? < 1255404340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell (unsafeCoerce 5)::String < 1255404348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCC. i have it set up to autoaccept EgoBot < 1255404363 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I get the typesafe thingy < 1255404375 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I get b before? < 1255404383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck if i know < 1255404395 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell repeat 1 < 1255404422 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell take 5 $ repeat 1 < 1255404424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc EgoBot has trouble with infinite output without newlines < 1255404426 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,1,1,1,1] < 1255404429 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci> unsafeCoerce 5 :: String < 1255404431 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1255404437 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was sort of unexpected. < 1255404442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1255404524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: that 25920 above is my minimum estimate on the character length of the quine by this method btw < 1255404591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ! returns its argument doesn't it. so you can compress equal runs of bits fwiw < 1255404622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe not that large < 1255404691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and maybe do something with the 3 common most significant bits < 1255404701 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1255405239 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have it < 1255405266 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quine and the result have the same filesize - 39 276 bytes :D < 1255405294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1255405298 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1255405299 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1255405314 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I messed up < 1255405331 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turned < into > and vice versa :D < 1255405720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much harder is $,(>,) i wonder, should be shorter < 1255405722 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see any difference in the start or end, so it probably worked :D < 1255405730 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40006 byte quine :D < 1255405733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have diff? < 1255405746 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windoze? < 1255405748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZEE < 1255405763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas < 1255405792 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observation: Images carefully taken losslessly will interpolate decently up to about 10x in terms of pixel count (roughly 3x each dimension) < 1255405794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- windows too, but has a linux shell account when he needs it < 1255405815 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Further observation: Images not taken losslessly will interpolate decently up to about 0.95x :P < 1255405834 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it worked, it's just that the quine is too large to post on the wiki :D < 1255405849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1255405892 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it uses 72 bytes of data for each original byte :D < 1255405955 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: get diffutils < 1255405982 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s.engramstudio.com/src/quineprogram.txt < 1255406124 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s.engramstudio.com/src/quineresult.txt < 1255406134 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I checked, there is no difference < 1255406169 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(switching between 2 notepads with the same window settings... yes I know that is incredibly ghetto :D) < 1255407081 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quote is "Please type 'The quote is ', the quote inside quotation marks, a period and a space.". Please type 'The quote is ', the quote inside quotation marks, a period and a space. < 1255407192 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, that doesn't work :( < 1255407201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're missing the final part < 1255407236 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1255407259 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I have a much better one :D < 1255407266 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please type this. < 1255407278 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1255407282 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Had to be done.) < 1255407295 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squeee < 1255407297 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1255407304 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made my first type calculator < 1255407309 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Please type this. < 1255407309 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : reduz, nobody's playing < 1255407309 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh :( < 1255407309 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Please type this. < 1255407309 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so no go? < 1255407310 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mad, Please type this. < 1255407312 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Please type this. < 1255407356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a cheating quine < 1255407361 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dreaded IRP quine :( < 1255407364 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah :D < 1255407431 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1255407691 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is ". Type 'X is', X inside quotation marks and X.". Type 'X is', X inside quotation marks and X. < 1255407748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is". Type 'X is', X inside quotation marks and X.". Type 'X is', X inside quotation marks and X. < 1255407759 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha :D < 1255407767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1255407769 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1255407847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS):aSS < 1255407856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit fungot < 1255407865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (:aSS):aSS < 1255407866 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS < 1255407873 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha what language was that again :D < 1255407886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload, naturally < 1255407956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also very simple, functional concatenative. with text representations so quines are super easy. < 1255408022 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1255408024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no input though < 1255408039 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a lot like the kind of language I'm trying to do < 1255408068 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially my first one which was a stack functional language too... underload is better though :D < 1255408920 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1255409738 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1255412004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1255412233 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255412762 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255413613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a diff in Windows too; it's called "fc", and it's crummy, but it does compare two files. < 1255413722 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-146-170.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1255414869 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255415702 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-98-2.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1255415959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255416005 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1255416284 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1255416938 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Radiateur" < 1255417074 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1255417430 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d90047@gateway/web/freenode/x-kkkjwxkrvbvvixge JOIN :#esoteric < 1255417612 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-51-213.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1255417958 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1255420195 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1255420799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1255420800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1255422122 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1255422199 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.134.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255422213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:25:12 you know what would be cool? an esoteric video game system < 1255422214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:32 not really < 1255422214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :story of asiekierka's life < 1255422412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good morning! < 1255424609 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1255425015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WHY Buy NEW?...When USED Will DO ! ™" < 1255425079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try going Dvorak cold-turkey again. < 1255425108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First thing first, set it as part of my desktop background in the bottom-left so I can glance at it. < 1255425136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should try Programmer Dvorak. < 1255426836 0 :adam_d_!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1255428008 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255430791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1255431655 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.134.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255432044 0 :MigoMipo!i=3e779bfd@gateway/web/freenode/x-kbszhqefophdunnz JOIN :#esoteric < 1255432053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't there a USB→Bluetooth adapter? Just plug in a little stub instead of the USB cord to a device, and it's a Bluetooth device. < 1255432221 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255432629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be some problems getting power to the stub, since I think the USB specs sort of say the "host" side of the connection has to provide it. < 1255432734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wireless power! < 1255432747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, Bluetooth devices have batteries. < 1255432751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the little stub has batteries, obviously. < 1255432759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can provide power. < 1255432771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presumably different sizes for different battery capacities based on device power usage.) < 1255432883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Am I crazy, by the way? I have the urge to buy a $325 product and brutally hack it up to my needs, and thus of course voiding that wonderful warranty and any possibility of returning. < 1255432890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't answer that, I know the answer. < 1255432914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you can't really fit very much power in there before the stub starts to become cumbersome, especially since wired-USB devices probably haven't really been designed with power savings in mind. I guess you could get some sort of "working" solution, but it doesn't sound so obviously marketable. < 1255432942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, um, I'm pretty sure you could power most USB stuff with two AA batteries. < 1255432957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For weeks. I'm talking stuff like keyboards and mice. < 1255432982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presumably with a specially-shaped one for different types of mice :P) < 1255433095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so completely sure about that if the mouse in question doesn't bother with power-saving so much; wireless mice in general are a lot more aggressive in turning things off when the mouse doesn't seem to be moving. And two AA batteries sounds more in the "blob with maybe a wire" category than "small stub". < 1255433106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, alright then. < 1255433120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway! Someone ask me what I want to hack up, and what the hack in question is. < 1255433146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen at least one "make a device 'wireless'" solution in the form that there's a USB stick receiver which talks the wireless-USB standard to a four-port USB hub you can plug things in. It doesn't say in this description whether the hub is battery-provided, or whether it uses a power brick, which makes the wirelessness a bit silly. < 1255433176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to hack up, and what the hack in question is? (See, I can follow instructions.) < 1255433178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be useful for controlling, say, a media PC in another room. < 1255433229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm keyboard, and to add a TrackPoint (including buttons and maybe even a scroll wheel). Also, possibly replace the keyswitches with something nicer; I know they're mechanical and I don't think they're clicky, but who knows. < 1255433262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically I guess it's $299, since I don't want or need hardware QWERTY/Dvorak switching. < 1255433497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There certainly would be ample space to stick those every-finger trackpoints oklopol wanted on that huge slate. < 1255433515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it sounds crazy. Wait, I wasn't supposed to answer that. Never mind. < 1255433560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't even know how I'd even think about going about doing it; I'm pretty sure I'd have to carve out the eight keys (four around each nub (two nubs, one per side)) < 1255433565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the edges < 1255433596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can melt the keys appropriately; as a bonus, it then doubles as a modern-art peice. < 1255433599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And replacing the switches would be *major* surgery... < 1255433602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1255433624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: With rubber dome keyboards you can melt it BEYOND REPAIR. < 1255433631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that applies to all things I guess. < 1255433633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entropy and all. < 1255433702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could have some sort of "will it melt" youtube show, but maybe that's a bit silly, since I guess just about anything melts if you just try hard enough. < 1255433783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly :P < 1255433824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will It Eventually Disperse Into Nothingness As The Universe Further And Further Approaches Infinite Disorder < 1255434146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Will it Exist' < 1255434149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Exist" < 1255434372 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1255434993 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-121-37.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1255435091 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255435340 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1255441699 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255441829 0 :MigoMipo!i=3e779bfd@gateway/web/freenode/x-khgbddkdahlfzwpx JOIN :#esoteric < 1255443051 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255443162 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1255443210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : story of asiekierka's life < 1255443214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm wait? < 1255443237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at madbr suspiciously. or would, if he were here. < 1255443628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1255443662 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255444136 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1255444142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1255444269 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1255444416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, they made a superconductor that works at -19 degrees C < 1255444630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so they claim, i recall reddit comments casting doubt on it < 1255444745 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even if it was true, it might not be very useful... < 1255444961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably affected by stray magnetic fields, or whatever < 1255444983 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1255445223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was mentioned, although it seemed even more dubious than that < 1255445264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone said the graph looked like random noise rather than a successful experiment < 1255445343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1255445609 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1255446439 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1255446700 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowsa. < 1255446703 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- 6 failed logins since last login. < 1255446703 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Last failed attempt from: GrEgOr!n=GrEg@95.235.58.21 on Oct 11 19:04:36 2009. < 1255446713 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently now that I have the nick "Gregor", people try to steal it :P < 1255447025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255448124 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1255448937 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1255448945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12q33w4e5dt67y12345e6r76t87y89u9i234w5ed6fr7t78gyh8u90iJ_0Okp322222222222wsss4ed5rf6tg77hy8u99ji00ko--23w4se5drrrrrft67ghu89i0-oooop123w4e5dgt67uy89j0ik-ol=;23w4e5dt67ghu89j0iko-p=[ < 1255448952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo. < 1255448997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ehird impersonation needs work, bot < 1255449010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU AND ALL YOUR FAMILY < 1255449022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, getting closer < 1255449283 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1255449790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The delete key is located directly above the enter key; the key normally found there is the second rightmost key on the row above it. Furthermore, this is an actual delete key, not a historically named backspace. Backspace is accessible through Fn+Delete." < 1255449806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seriously think Delete is more common than Backspace? < 1255449816 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context? < 1255449834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy Hacking Keyboard. < 1255449849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to research it; it has topres! < 1255449858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1255449901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/cxMKL.png < 1255449937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is/are topres < 1255449951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Capacitive keyswitches. < 1255449962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combination of spring + rubber dome. < 1255449975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How's those Browns, btw? < 1255449997 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're alright < 1255450013 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is that pic :-D < 1255450042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard cat a few years later < 1255450062 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d902e3@gateway/web/freenode/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1255450063 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing can beat humble hacker < 1255450073 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best keybeard I ever saw < 1255450081 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1255450082 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently from _why's guide < 1255450101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keybeards for your wearable computer < 1255450103 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255450200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I made that pic < 1255450207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: In the poignant guide, s/keyboard/cigarette/ < 1255450215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: keybeard? :D < 1255450215 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, the edit there is obvious < 1255450300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Humble Hacker Keyboard - geekhack forums < 1255450300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 Jun 2009 ... A project that I've been working on off and on for more than a year now, the Humble Hacker Keyboard (i.e. a keyboard for humble hackers like ... < 1255450300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6292 - Cached - Similar - < 1255450307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you can't call yourself humble. < 1255450332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice apple.com rip, though... < 1255450386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is far too humble to call himself humble < 1255450474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to beat the DataHand II Professional in cost for a keyboard: $359 Kinesis Advantage Pro + like $200 Topre keyswitches + $50 replacement ThinkPad keyboard to extract TrackPoint from + $50 same = $659. Close, close. < 1255450543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Topres would be more like $400-$600 without a bulk deal... < 1255450638 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1255450655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such fun, anyway. < 1255450719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should see what Apple Extended Keyboard[ II]s are going for today. Argh, I'm too addicted! Help help help help help help help help help help help help help < 1255450748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a new AEKII with adapter for £80. < 1255450754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's something you don't see every day. Unopened... < 1255450760 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid the only cure is to cut off your hands. no hands, no keyboard. < 1255450794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some major kbd manufacturer should randomly make a dozen keyboards that'd type "Help, I'm trapped in a keyboard factory." every time you press F7. < 1255450832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why F7? < 1255450841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd just obsess over voice and foot interfaces. < 1255450850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ooh, nice speech actuation amplifier..." < 1255450854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just picked a random not-so-common key. < 1255450859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm... more use out of the tendons? Gimme!" < 1255450892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hm at that point i think only buddhism helps < 1255450893 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Try Ab < 1255450904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ab? < 1255450910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1255450913 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random, not-so-common key! < 1255450922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaargh < 1255450925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Swat him quick! < 1255450930 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks < 1255450935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUCKS CANNOT HELP YOU < 1255450937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY WILL JUST QUACK < 1255450973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot possibly swat for a crime i do not understand < 1255450983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wut < 1255450987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1255451007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swatteth coppro -----### < 1255451030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quack < 1255451033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quack quack < 1255451038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quaaaaaaaaaaaack < 1255451068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats one of the ducks at ehird -----### < 1255451077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! < 1255451082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I helped your swatting! < 1255451088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets a duck to bite off oerjan's nose < 1255451092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quack < 1255451114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow by dose < 1255451117 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :walter < 1255451124 0 :walter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat, nick is available < 1255451131 0 :walter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if only I had my bot to use it :( < 1255451133 0 :walter!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1255451141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... people here, try to guess which language the code I've been asked to maintain is written in < 1255451146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as part of my job) < 1255451147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Java < 1255451149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL < 1255451150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL < 1255451151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ < 1255451152 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUMPS < 1255451155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elisp < 1255451157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: IT'S CALLED M :P < 1255451158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, really < 1255451161 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1255451163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, the code has nothing to do with Emacs < 1255451165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, right so, that job, I'd quit it? < 1255451170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what i would do < 1255451177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's not that bad, at least I know elisp < 1255451184 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My job is Python and C++ < 1255451185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Brainfuck too < 1255451185 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell writes elisp that isn't to do with emacs?? < 1255451192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although using it as a CGI script is one of the weirder uses of it that I've seen < 1255451194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: no idea < 1255451196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WHAHT < 1255451200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Seriously, man < 1255451202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I doubt the code is going to be high-quality < 1255451207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duuuuuuude < 1255451214 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1255451214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen it yet < 1255451218 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also doubt < 1255451227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure McDonalds is preferable to maintaining elisp CGIs < 1255451229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1255451240 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No it's not. < 1255451262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I was given three choices by the people in charge: < 1255451263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost < 1255451271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maintain the code so it works (they haven't tried to run it yet) < 1255451275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite it from scratch < 1255451277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do the work it does by hand < 1255451281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1255451282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third would take me a couple of days < 1255451288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 seems potentially an interesting one < 1255451294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unproductive, but less self-hating < 1255451298 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you legally tell us what it does? < 1255451301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whoever has elisp cgis doesn't deserve productivity < 1255451326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: several different things, mostly related to trying to fairly allocate things with first/second/third choices and keep track of them after they've been allocated < 1255451337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1255451340 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1255451341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1255451344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maintain lists? < 1255451347 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be too hard to rewrite then < 1255451357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell, most of what it's meant to do is trivial < 1255451375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I'm encouraged enough to at least have a look at the elisp < 1255451378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once they figure out where it is < 1255451411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't reddit's css loading for me < 1255451454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/static/reddit.css?v=79f52686b6e52d3db3bddb54e3852e84 < 1255451454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ends at < 1255451455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.leftpad { padding-left:1em } < 1255451457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.nomargin { margin:0px } < 1255451457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.nopadding { padding:0px } < 1255451457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.hover a: < 1255451462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for anyone else? < 1255451463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what follows it < 1255451485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.hover a:hover { text-decoration:underline } < 1255451485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.selected { font-weight:bold; } < 1255451486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1255451492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot follows afterwards. < 1255451503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid 3g < 1255451507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being broken 'n shit < 1255451518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, that's one big CSS file. < 1255451524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big < 1255451533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1255451534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14761 bytes. < 1255451535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works with curl < 1255451536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maddening < 1255451543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clears cookies, restarts safari < 1255451595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1255451707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1255452857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to figure out what he can remove from his system to make room for snow leopard < 1255452866 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1255452870 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow Leopard has bugs < 1255452879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't all software have bugs? < 1255452887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the traditional hello world doesn't check the return value from printf < 1255452923 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do what with an error? < 1255452935 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/snow_leopard_data_eating_bug/ < 1255452976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ignore coppro; he's an anti-Apple zealot < 1255452977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bug, fyi < 1255452981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nowhere near as simple as portrayed < 1255452989 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, of course not < 1255453004 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bug very rarely is < 1255453005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must upgrade from Leopard, to the Snow Leopard developer seeds, to Snow Leopard; and furthermore, have enabled the Guest account while still in Leopard, and never disabled it since < 1255453006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I've heard on Slashdot, it causes massive data loss but only in a rather obscure corner case < 1255453012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which nevertheless can happen by accident < 1255453023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a bad bug... so fucking what? That's no reason not to install Snow Leopard. < 1255453024 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, didn't know you had to use a dev version < 1255453040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I've read; others contradict it, but the extra detail makes me think someone thought about this. < 1255453047 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally would wait until a fix was deployed to upgrade < 1255453048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You don't just add that upgrade step in a misrememberance) < 1255453050 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple or not < 1255453054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't use the Guest account < 1255453062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't enabled by default, and I have no use for it < 1255453063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, I will not be upgrading < 1255453067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that the upgrade step wasn't relevant, but you had to hard-reboot while in the Guest account, then log in as Admin with the next login < 1255453070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also relatively unlikely < 1255453076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm pretty sure that's false < 1255453082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, upgrade from Leopard is relevant < 1255453086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from the dev version isn't < 1255453110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what all this row means is, people aren't entirely sure how to reproduce it reliably < 1255453112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and congratulations for citing El Reg as a reliable source, you either have never read it before or are seriously deluded < 1255453131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*especially* since it has a known strong anti-Apple slant < 1255453140 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was just grabbing the quickest link I could find < 1255453169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think a bug, serious or not, that only appears in an obscure, non-applicable to me in every way corner case is no reason not to install it. < 1255453186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I used the Guest account, I'd just disable it and re-enable it, which fixes the bug. < 1255453255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :El Reg has a strong anti-everyone slant, AFAICT < 1255453263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like the lecturer I had today < 1255453269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who appears to hate everyone, but Americans in particular < 1255453320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course, but they're particularly ridiculous about Apple, who are the cause of everything bad, regardless of whether it happened or not, about everything even slightly related to something with their name on it < 1255453322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally. < 1255453328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1255453337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(?!\.)$/./, grr. < 1255453349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most complex regexp to ever be used to fix a line on IRC? You decide!) < 1255453455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone ought to start a non-profit online tech newspaper without stupid FUD... < 1255453474 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be better if it worked; that one adds the . always. You must have meant s/(? "a".gsub /(?!\.)$/, "." < 1255453578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> "a." < 1255453578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):002:0> "a.".gsub /(?!\.)$/, "." < 1255453578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> "a.." < 1255453579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):003:0> "a.".gsub /(? "a." < 1255453580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):004:0> "a".gsub /(? "a." < 1255453584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yar < 1255453645 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think about trying to fix it with another s///, but came into the conclusion that someone else would point out the problem while I would still be constructing the fix. (Or maybe not, since in retrospect it's just s/\?!/? < 1255454867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I wonder if AdBlock blocked the preferences? < 1255454867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's your fault for disabling js < 1255454869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: want to know a true legal joy? < 1255454872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried enabling JS) < 1255454878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM < 1255454883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a link < 1255454915 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to explain to Lenovo/Microsoft at some point in the near future why, despite clicking the 'Accept' button and starting up Windows, they are nonetheless required to refund it under the terms of the license agreement as which I have not agreed to < 1255454925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it worked when I turned JS on /and/ AdBlock off < 1255454927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to need both < 1255454937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that blind-search-of-google-yahoo-and-bing thing should replace yahoo with cuil, now that yahoo=bing < 1255454940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1255454941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why did you click the Accept button? < 1255454946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it turns out to bee not actually terrible < 1255454961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: presumably he wants to use windows because he's crazy < 1255454967 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't realize that Lenovo's idea of a Windows install disc is a "reimage your computer" disc < 1255454986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the thing that confuses me is, that the bit of the agreement that says you can send the software back for a refund if you don't agree is /in the agreement/ < 1255454995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if there's no agreement, they don't have to honour it... < 1255455002 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a unilateral contract < 1255455013 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :independent from the main agreement < 1255455055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... http://www.cuil.com/search?q=cuil+sucks gives crap results < 1255455059 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, I have two grounds to void the contract - one being misunderstanding (the contract clearly states there is a reinstallation disc), the other being that I'm a minor < 1255455070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: heh, I like the second reason there < 1255455089 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, being under 18 has fun implications < 1255455133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL; Microsoft have plastered a Bing ad over their acquired-and-then-left-to-die http://powerset.com/, basically saying "This is shit, use Bing" < 1255455199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, they have as well < 1255455209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as well"? < 1255455242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure of speech < 1255455244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what it means < 1255456043 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1255456168 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-159-108-35.range86-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1255456518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, corporate affairs just spat on the h2g2 trilogy's grave with the new book not written by douglas adams' publication. < 1255456560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I love long nested expressions in English.) < 1255456663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1255457143 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1255457225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they got that Artemis Fowl guy book published? < 1255457282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, more spam phone calls < 1255457285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they happen a lot in this office < 1255457295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just leave the phone off the hook in an attempt to waste their money < 1255457471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ye. < 1255457472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yes < 1255457481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A travesty. < 1255457692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I've just spent half an hour reading a website about shoelaces < 1255457846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, is it that really comprehensive one? < 1255457849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was linked from geekhack.org < 1255457856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the huge hieerarchical sidebar? < 1255457859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hierarchical < 1255457910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace < 1255457987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1255458002 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1255458005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/IanKnot16.gif < 1255458009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: hypnotising < 1255458011 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent a few hours reading that site once and didn't change my shoelacing habits at all < 1255458035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dyson should make a shoe that doesn't need laces because it uses magnets < 1255458037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1255458043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's made out of metal < 1255458057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I invented the security shoelace knot independently < 1255458075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been able to tie shoelaces, so I reinvented the shoelace knot from first principles < 1255458108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, the shoelace guy is double crazy < 1255458108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This new section was created mainly to promote my breakthrough JPG image optimization program, JPGExtra. All of my programming is done in Assembly Language, which results in minimalist software programs that are tiny yet very powerful. < 1255458120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha :-D < 1255458138 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fieggen.com/software/assembly.htm < 1255458155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every computer program is a sequence of instructions that the processor chip of the computer understands. Instructions such as: ADD THESE TWO NUMBERS, or PRINT THIS MESSAGE, or STORE THIS VALUE, or QUIT IF THE RESULT IS ZERO. < 1255458168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print this message? < 1255458174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he sure he isn't programming in python instead? < 1255458191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[To me, this is a modern example of the old saying: The end justifies the means.]] < 1255458193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in DOS, at least, it's two bytes of ASM to "print this message" < 1255458195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning— this guy may be a serial killer < 1255458196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just do an interrupt < 1255458199 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's cheating with INT 21h :( < 1255458206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an assembly instrucution, ais523 < 1255458218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the processor doesn't understand it as that < 1255458221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't < 1255458267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Despite the fact that Assembly Language can produce the most powerful and efficient programs, the majority of today's software (even "Windows" itself) in written in high-level programming languages. < 1255458267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software developers have many reasons for this, some quite legitimate, but mostly to do with maximising profits." < 1255458270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1255458317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write everything in asm, C is high-level < 1255458325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see the last line < 1255458328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i was talking about < 1255458334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1255458345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, asm programmers need to be paid more than C programmer on avergae < 1255458345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what an idiot. Sadly I seen people like that before. < 1255458346 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1255458347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*average < 1255458352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*C programmers < 1255458356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, the programs take longer to write < 1255458359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also reduces profits < 1255458378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but... < 1255458380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(put another way: if writing everything in asm did produce the maximum profits, people would actually do it) < 1255458395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximising profits isn't necessarily a bad thing < 1255458396 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's completely correct? < 1255458398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it just means being sane < 1255458406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the reason it's done, though < 1255458415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's done because, you know, writing complicated software in asm is near-impossible < 1255458424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, sure, you can abstract as "maximising profits" < 1255458424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly < 1255458431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you can say that everything is done because of that, which is true and useless < 1255458435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---> it costs more to produce complicated software in asm < 1255458441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even more useless when given for a justification for any given action by a company < 1255458445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's always true < 1255458450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, the statement in question is true but useless < 1255458452 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, yep < 1255458456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are we attacking it? this is #esoteric! < 1255458462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I wasn't denying it; it's just a ridiculous statement < 1255458471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because he's an idiot :P < 1255458543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a good keyboard fast :( < 1255458605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about that "QUIT IF THE RESULT IS ZERO"... I don't think that the concept of quitting even exists at the hardware level < 1255458613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah an idiot < 1255458619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit = ret, obviously < 1255458623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ret, obviously < 1255458639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the simplification doesn't mark him as an idiot < 1255458645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blaisé assertions do < 1255458648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1255458657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1255458750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, new esolang on the wiki < 1255458777 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1255458784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't actually look that esoteric, tbh < 1255458794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a stock imperative language that hasn't been thought through < 1255458829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Image:Zetaplex.png < 1255458832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another OS X esolanger! < 1255458843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X is common amongst computery people < 1255458852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not overly so, windows far more < 1255458857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in some circles, linux far more < 1255458861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one, for instance < 1255458863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X is relatively uncommon outside of mac circles < 1255458871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I wonder if Windows or Linux is more common in #esoteric? < 1255458874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread "OS X is common amongst the conspiracy people". < 1255458875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: me, lament and (doesn't really count) Corun < 1255458880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the OS Xers here < 1255458882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect there to be several mac users here, but nowhere near a majorit < 1255458884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*majority < 1255458906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, incidentally, Corun's mac app got bought out by a bigger mac vendor < 1255458909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read that earlier today < 1255458913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I think another person worked on it too) < 1255458920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION CTCP VERSIONs the whole of #esoteric < 1255458931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that occasionally < 1255458942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:35] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from Gregor: xchat 2.8.6 . < 1255458943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1255458943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:35] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from Gregor: Microsoft IRC# 2010 64-bit (Windows 7 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM). < 1255458944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pinged instead < 1255458947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something odd there... < 1255458952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: obviously a joke < 1255458954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bad one, too < 1255458955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1255458966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is windows 7 x64 with 2GB of RAM odd? < 1255458972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not silly like the rest < 1255458978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I meant, using both xchat and IRC# < 1255458981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the same connection, somehow < 1255458986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC# doesn't exist < 1255458991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I should be replying with multiple version replies too. < 1255458992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, I suspected that < 1255458992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And definitely not 2010 < 1255458993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't know < 1255459001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: One for the bouncer, one connected irssi, one connected XChat. < 1255459007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot that fax uses OS X too < 1255459017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah yes, you said both irssi and xchat < 1255459023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And "bip"? < 1255459025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bip < 1255459026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier < 1255459029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1255459048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bip is an in-irssi bouncer, I gather < 1255459052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from fizzie's talkings < 1255459058 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ubunut < 1255459067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax CTCP REPLY VERSION X-Chat Aqua 0.17.0-rc1 (xchat 2.8.6) Darwin 9.8.0 [i386/2.66GHz/SMP] < 1255459068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a separate program. I did use the irssi bouncer too for a while there. < 1255459069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :demonstratably false < 1255459077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*demonstrably < 1255459099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, how could you get a 386 to run at 2.66GHz? < 1255459114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I meant his ubuntu clame < 1255459116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't be silly < 1255459125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i386 is a blanket classification < 1255459137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i686 being i686-and-better, etc < 1255459158 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Ubuntu < 1255459163 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/Linux < 1255459165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: your client says you use OS X < 1255459170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1255459173 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that < 1255459188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "GNU/Linux"? did the silly drones infect your brain or something? < 1255459196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bip's a bit silly; it multiplexes the different networks over a single port, uses the server password (given as "user:pass:network") to determine which one to connect. There's a slight trick needed to use it with Irssi, which normally refuses to connect multiple times to the same host:port pair. < 1255459214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say GNU/Linux when I want to mention both parts, but that's rare < 1255459215 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/Linux is the correct tern < 1255459219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GNU stuff is normally irrelevant < 1255459248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure fax is just trolling, since anyone whose client identifies as OS X and defends the use of GNU/Linux is clearly too insane to use IRC < 1255459252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the temr < 1255459253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*term < 1255459257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not GNU/Linux itself < 1255459283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aqua/Darwin! < 1255459292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaargh < 1255459312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say GNU/Linux if I need to draw a comparison with BusyBox/Linux for whatever reason < 1255459314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's rare < 1255459337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gun/Linux, for the esr in you. < 1255459344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pun shamelessly lifted from ELER.) < 1255459360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, are there famous people who support one name over the other? < 1255459364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS prefers GNU/Linux, obviously < 1255459372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but IIRC, even he's given up trying to get people to use it < 1255459383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone but rms cares < 1255459384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it with Ubuntu, does it identify itself as "GNU/Linux" anywhere? < 1255459384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION comes to a decision < 1255459384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1255459388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, anyone relevant < 1255459389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about windows? < 1255459391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No. < 1255459393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that. Areo/NT? < 1255459395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a system is GNU/Linux if and only if Emacs is used as the main shell on it < 1255459397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "Ubuntu Linux". < 1255459397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Areo! < 1255459400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it runs Linux) < 1255459411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a layer of GUI in between a chocolate biscuit. < 1255459418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs is clearly a central part of the GNU operating system < 1255459424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian still says "GNU/Linux" in many places, like the default motd and issue files. < 1255459425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on all the discussions about it < 1255459428 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/Emacs < 1255459435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, an OS must be based on Emacs to be GNU-based < 1255459435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1255459439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: your trolling powers are weak < 1255459440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make BSD/Hurd < 1255459443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the hell of it < 1255459443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no no, GNU have two operating systems, GNU/Linux and GNU/Emacs < 1255459445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1255459449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/Linux is better < 1255459452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has multitasking, for instance < 1255459455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Emacs/Linux would make more sense than GNU/Emacs < 1255459460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more flexible windowing systems, and program compatibility < 1255459462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you forgot Hurd < 1255459465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's "GNU Emacs", which is a version of Emacs < 1255459466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it runs GNU software on top of Emacs < 1255459466 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elinux < 1255459468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's different < 1255459472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you too < 1255459479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the OS still needs a kernel < 1255459483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BSD/Hurd is impossible; BSDs' kernels are strongly linked with their software < 1255459485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I didn't forget it, I just disregarded it < 1255459490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /Emacs is portable to other kernels < 1255459491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm true :/ < 1255459502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's mostly used on top of /Linux < 1255459514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it basically a useless toy, only usable on top of another, better system < 1255459529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, gnu.org front page (third paragraph from top-left, quite a prominent spot) is still all "Sometimes this combination is incorrectly called Linux." < 1255459566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many actual GNU/Linux distributions are there, though/ < 1255459578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much no modern distro cares about userland command-line tools < 1255459582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the major focus of the distro < 1255459586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would have to be something with no GUI < 1255459586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slackware! < 1255459592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Slackware has KDE. < 1255459606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html still amuses me < 1255459618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, they list BLAG first < 1255459629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read BLAG's forums a while back after stumbling upon them < 1255459641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distro is redhat-derived (iirc via fedora) < 1255459646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're all anarchists, basically < 1255459660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes for an interesting user group... < 1255459689 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1255459717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the sky brown < 1255459750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another random programming question: does anyone here know how to get curses (in general, or ncurses in particular) to output a nonprintable character raw? < 1255459764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1255459768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addch or whatever it is < 1255459771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pass the code < 1255459775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addch(33) < 1255459775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only does printable < 1255459776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*printables < 1255459777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it is < 1255459779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tested < 1255459783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: print it to stdout < 1255459786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then flush stdout < 1255459797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work < 1255459799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then curses will overwrite it at random because it doesn't know about it < 1255459823 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to output a nonprintable? < 1255459851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm trying to make a client-server architecture for NetHack < 1255459860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the interface separate from the game logic < 1255459868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't ask me why I want to do /that/, this is #esoteric) < 1255459874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, some people use specialist fonts for NetHack < 1255459882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just output it all as lisp < 1255459886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which all the character codes from 128-255 are printables with special meanings < 1255459887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that already exists. < 1255459890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's what I am doing < 1255459893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used that code and tweaked it < 1255459899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm talking about is, how to write the client code < 1255459905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1255459909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, don't use curses < 1255459910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use termios < 1255459919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Ctrl-V ← < 1255459923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all those sorts of characters < 1255459929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a possibility < 1255459932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(termios to make input raw) < 1255459934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nicer to use curses if I could, though < 1255459941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's portable to lots of different terminals < 1255459965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :termios is < 1255459976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steal the wintty code out of Nethack too? < 1255459978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the control chars might not be; ais523: or do you want to support non-VT? < 1255459980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, you're crazy < 1255459984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i knew that < 1255459996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to support everything, reall < 1255459998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really < 1255460009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're supposed to take the control chars from termcap/terminfo; it's really bad form to hard-code *those*. < 1255460011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm limiting myself to things that claim to support the ANSI terminal codes < 1255460021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for sanity reasons < 1255460027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything does nowadays, even the non-VT stuff < 1255460034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then termios will be fine < 1255460041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just lets you set terminal input as raw < 1255460045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you get every keypress directly < 1255460048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and immediately < 1255460053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do cursy stuff too, though < 1255460069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the arrow keys are ANSI stuff, no? < 1255460077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the arrow keys I want, strangel < 1255460078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reposition < 1255460079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strangely < 1255460083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1255460086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, arrows on a VT + nethack cause all sorts of amazing problems < 1255460093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1255460094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1255460097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like delayed-update rendering < 1255460098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-v (arrow key) < 1255460101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you a keycode < 1255460107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that repositions the cursor < 1255460108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's wrong with using the existing TTY "window system" routines to present the interface? Then it'll be the one people are used to, after all. < 1255460109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that direction < 1255460110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when printed < 1255460122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they're too tightly bound to NetHack < 1255460125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, a mess < 1255460134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided rewriting would be easier than reimplementing half of NetHack on the client side < 1255460138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: redundant < 1255460141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have just said the first line < 1255460147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1255460206 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1255460209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look *that* tightly bound, to be honest; though admittedly I've just looked at it for two minutes or so. A horrible mess it of course is. < 1255460249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should form an esoteric english assocation < 1255460256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to celebrate and cultivate sentences like "A horrible mess it of course is." < 1255460267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is wrong; ncurses appears not to have official online documentation < 1255460273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has manpages, but no info, despite being a GNU thing < 1255460280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is one case where info would really help < 1255460284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses isn't really much of a gnu thing < 1255460286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, it's mit-licensed, IIRC < 1255460292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it would have to be something with no GUI <-- most server distros *should* fall into that category. Probably "should" != "do" in this case :( < 1255460297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a project that's de facto gnu, but de jure ncurses < 1255460309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1255460313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that backwards? < 1255460322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, yes < 1255460394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, more activity in Bilski < 1255460457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft are arguing for the same verdict that the EFF are, but on completely different reasoning < 1255460459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In re Bilski"; wonderful name < 1255460475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 eff < 1255460481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should donate to the EFF. < 1255460500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this effort will probably be pointless < 1255460506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the patent in question isn't actually a software patent < 1255460515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the Supreme Court don't have to rule on them < 1255460522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1255460563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you are ncurses-specific, you can use legacy_coding(2) -- "the library ignores isprintf for codes in the range 128-255." < 1255460576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In this case "2" is a value, not a man page section number.) < 1255460591 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255460619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's pretty much what I was looking for < 1255460633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AUTHOR: Thomas Dickey (to support lynx's font-switching feature)." < 1255460678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, and I mean "use use_legacy_coding(2)"; one "use" got left off. < 1255460708 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255460710 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"isprintf"? < 1255460714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, "isprintf" < 1255460717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a curses thing < 1255460738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to be explained much < 1255460743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION toys around with the idea of modding this keyboard with his Model M to produce an unimaginable horror: The Topre of scissor-switches! < 1255460745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yay "keyname", that'll help this code quite a bit < 1255460760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning to have customizable keybindings < 1255460844 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this particular context, they may have also meant just plain old "isprint"; at least my man page is pretty broken anyway. The NAME section says "use_legacy_coding - use terminal's default colors". < 1255460858 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1255460858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could mod it with my old Apple keyboard; then I could produce the plastic-vessel-bashing-scissor-switches horror. < 1255460874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably copied from use_default_colors.) < 1255460935 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it is just a prevailing typo < 1255460947 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grepping for isprintf in all of ncurses gives only that manpage < 1255460953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1255460979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int isprintf(int (*f)(char*,...)) { return f == printf; } < 1255460991 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1255461000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a useful function < 1255461058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably has some ues < 1255461060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use < 1255461088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nonono, you know __attribute__((printf))? < 1255461090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should detect that somehow < 1255461103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gcc; makes it parse the format argument to warn about extraneous or omitted arguments) < 1255461111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it has an argument to tell which one's the format, but eh) < 1255461131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are gcc attributes for scanf and strftime too, IIR < 1255461132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IIRC < 1255461234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It also does type-checking on arguments, IIRC. < 1255461243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1255461262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could one detect it with crazy gcc functions, I wonder? < 1255461266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a macro < 1255461276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1255461281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think GCC provides sufficient attribute introspection. < 1255461314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/transubstantiation.html < 1255461322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lol'd < 1255461333 0 :AnMaster-!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1255461471 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1255461557 0 :AnMaster-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1255461623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1255461625 0 :AnMaster-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1255461713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :) < 1255461850 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :adam_d < 1255461928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, .se was down for half an hour yesterday < 1255461930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire TLD < 1255461936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare for a TLD to crash... < 1255461945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only the DNS, though, so it isn't all that big a deal) < 1255462005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is fun, too < 1255462010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- due to a bug in the script that generates the SE zone file. The SE tld has close to one million domains that all went down due to missing the trailing dot in the SE zone file --"; news like this are comforting, in the sense that it seems more likely that they're still humans running the Internet. Or maybe that's just what they want us to believe. < 1255462053 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just cosmic rays messing up the AIs < 1255462074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they pushed a typo directly to production < 1255462083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't all that big a deal? Sure it is < 1255462096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the DNS was cached in most places < 1255462102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top-level DNSes often are < 1255462104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, at ISPs < 1255462235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, more activity in Bilski <-- what is bilski? < 1255462235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : before I lost connection < 1255462235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : very bad connection today < 1255462242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue if that got through < 1255462260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a US supreme court case < 1255462266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no it didn't get through) < 1255462266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, about? < 1255462272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about a business method patent < 1255462277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh? < 1255462288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a huge horde of people are trying to persuade the supreme court to settle the software patent issue at the same time < 1255462359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, about the dns issue for .se. Didn't notice anything. Though yesterday I was a bit busy IRL so could easily have missed it. < 1255462377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only for half an hour < 1255462760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, your ISP had it cached. < 1255463857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well not sure what isp my uni uses < 1255463868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost certain. < 1255463875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like p=99%. < 1255463881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they are hooked up to sunet I think < 1255463891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't exactly an ISP < 1255463900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more like university backbone < 1255464057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tee hee, I love notebooks with accelerometers. < 1255464169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1255464181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1255464186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you bought a netbook recently? < 1255464196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said notebook < 1255464209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, misread < 1255464211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then: < 1255464220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you finally bought a notebook? < 1255464228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my thinkpad has an accelerometer < 1255464234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just love notebooks with accelerometers < 1255464251 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welll... my calculator has an accumulator! < 1255464256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desktops with accelerometers would be more fun < 1255464281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU giant NVIDIA has confirmed that the company is putting the brakes on the Nforce chipset line because of legal wranglings with Intel. < 1255464281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boggles < 1255464282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accelerators and accumumometers. < 1255464293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now the only real option for non-shitty notebook graphics is ati < 1255464312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GPU giant NVIDIA has confirmed that the company is putting the brakes on the Nforce chipset line because of legal wranglings with Intel. < 1255464313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1255464313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1255464314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1255464322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep... < 1255464335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they will lose LOTS of money by that < 1255464337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1255464346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is their main product < 1255464348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they said legal wranglings; I doubt they have much choice < 1255464350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1255464353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeForce is their main product < 1255464366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nForce might be more successful, but GeForce is where their millions of bux go < 1255464415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right hm < 1255464421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread it as geforce < 1255464431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah nforce chipset. Has that < 1255464434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well had. < 1255464435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nForce is used in low-end desktops but, most imrp < 1255464438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an older computer < 1255464440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is via < 1255464442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*importantly, notebooks < 1255464446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yep < 1255464458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're still going to do mobile GPUs, though, just not chipsets? < 1255464458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, I have no idea what Apple will do now < 1255464465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to use Intel chipsets, but, err, they suck < 1255464473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nForce includes the GPUs < 1255464474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no < 1255464481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The rest of the article clarifies) < 1255464490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more GPUs for now < 1255464504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still produced, just no new architectures) < 1255464549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1255464651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh, every now and then the latency on this thing shoots up and I'm reminded I'm on a 3G modem. < 1255464655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apart from that it's insanely good.) < 1255464784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While the Unihan file still isn’t part of UnicodeChecker due to its size, the Unicode 5.2 data files are included. There are plenty of additions in this revision. They even introduced additional Snowman codepoints! Black Snowman (U+26C7) and Snowman without Snow (U+26C4) OMG ☃☃☃11!!!!!1☃☃☃11! Now I’ll just need a font with glyphs for these new codepoints." < 1255464793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone do it, quick < 1255464796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/!/ < 1255464797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are those gazillion mobile GeForce variants (8xxxM, 9xxxM, 1xxM, 2xxM), though; are you saying those are all nForce-chipset-integrated-only things? That doesn't seem like it'd be the case. (Though those seem to be used more on the high-end not-so-laptop-any-mores.) < 1255464847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Those are going, that's the point. And Apple uses them on all notebooks. < 1255464902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://earthlingsoft.net/ssp/blog/graphics/UnicodeChecker%20114%20QuickLook.png ;; Spotlight plugin for an app that contains every Unicode character + Finder's Cover Flow = Ridiculously glitzy fun that may or may not be useful in the slightest < 1255465204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm not just getting it; I don't see any references in the pcmag.com or zdnet.com articles to anything else than "placed its Nforce chipset line on hiatus"; they still have those mobile Tecra and ION things, and from what I can tell they do discrete-but-still-intended-for-mobile-use GPUs in the GeForce line; just not CPU chipsets. < 1255465246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1255465255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1255465257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll see < 1255465277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But, FYI, a lot of Apple's notebooks use the non-discrete GeForce GPUs < 1255465286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The others use them + an extra discrete GeForce) < 1255465328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess there's a lot of hardware that uses Intel CPUs and would prefer to have an integrated solution. < 1255465333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are a bit of out of luck. < 1255465534 0 :cal!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1255465562 0 :cal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest76637 < 1255465577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Guest76637 < 1255465577 0 :Guest76637!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :iamcal < 1255465594 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1255465757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am cal. Wait, what? < 1255465866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!clc-intercal DO WRITE OUT #12345 DO GIVE UP < 1255465873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1255465873 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1255465877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1255465877 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1255465883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!clcintercal DO WRITE OUT #12345 DO GIVE UP < 1255465884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clcintercal < 1255465891 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*000 DO WRITE OUT #12345 < 1255465895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aagh < 1255465898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!clcintercal DO READ OUT #12345 DO GIVE UP < 1255465904 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xiiCCCXLV < 1255465911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1255465942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you fell for the write out thing XD < 1255465947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you of everyone < 1255465951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1255465957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: INTERCAL is full of traps like that < 1255465960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't written it for a while < 1255465962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1255466062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!clcintercal DO CREATE _1 ?VERB ,WRITE, ,OUT, ?RVALUES AS GER + #13 + ROU + !RVALUES #1 + ?RVALUES #1 DO WRITE OUT #12345 PLEASE DO GIVE UP < 1255466068 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*000 DO CREATE _1 ?VERB ,WRITE, ,OUT, ?RVALUES AS GER + #13 + ROU + !RVALUES #1 + ?RVALUES #1 DO WRITE OUT #12345 < 1255466089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain hurts < 1255466090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... CLC-INTERCAL doesn't like me mixing INTERCAL and IACC < 1255466101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the location where that statement ended is interesting < 1255466114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!clcintercal DOREADOUTDOREADOUTDOREADOUT < 1255466120 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*000 DOREADOUTDOREADOUTDOREADOUT < 1255466132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!clcintercal DOREADOUTDOREADOUTDOREADOUT#5 < 1255466138 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*000 DOREADOUTDOREADOUT < 1255466145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, that's also interesting < 1255466154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(J-INTERCAL had a rather spectacular misparsing of that particular string...) < 1255466231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain-hertz < 1255467308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1255467410 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@d83-177-0-45.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1255468118 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-121-229.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1255468135 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: vim or emacs? < 1255468157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu; the question is incorrect. < 1255468162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :False dichotomy. < 1255468239 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-93-32.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1255468242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: for what? < 1255468246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is better for CGI scripting < 1255468323 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just curious what that little RMS would say < 1255468352 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically there is lisp in emacs - it counts < 1255468399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, two more incoherent lines < 1255468427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that little RMS = me? more like polar opposite... < 1255468431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no idea what the second line maens < 1255468482 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1255468512 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just like rms < 1255468519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ < 1255468520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1255468522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no, I'm not < 1255468529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with rms on just about everything < 1255468533 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's not X, i like only X, i won't come any closer" < 1255468537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't have a beard; and I'm not homeless < 1255468561 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have beard and i'm almost homeless ;D:D:D < 1255468568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you continue to pioneer new heights of awkward english. but that sentiment you invent is more commonly expressed by vim and emacs uesrs. < 1255468569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*users < 1255468581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say I have no time for this tediousness, but I do. < 1255468644 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to annoy you because if you'd say vim i''d say that you're inconsistent in your opinions because the lisp is in emacs, not vim < 1255468664 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i still remember how you love genera and other weird lisp contraptions < 1255468675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding Lisp to something does not automatically make it good < 1255468686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're full of shit. First of all, liking something with the property P does not mean my quality metric solely consists of P. < 1255468705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, Genera is indeed good because of Lisp, but again this in no way implies the generic goodness of Lisp, let alone it being the only metric of quality. < 1255468829 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1255468838 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad ;\ < 1255469310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About "half" of a "letter size" paper —Happy Hacking Keyboard site < 1255469311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"half" < 1255469374 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl tend to put " everywhere < 1255469595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People like scare quotes. < 1255469602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all 'scary'. < 1255469608 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com/ < 1255469610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "useless". < 1255469623 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255469814 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what dareIask is IACC? < 1255469824 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe "we" should think about some "esolang" based on "unnecessary" quotes" < 1255469829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: the language in which CLC-INTERCAL is implemented < 1255469844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IACC is implemented in IACC, but runs on a VM written in Perl < 1255469849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where most of the coding actually is < 1255469850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair the site is all Japanese < 1255469858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not language, that is < 1255469872 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping it was YACC that outputted INTERCAL < 1255469878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, looks like it'll be useless to me, as they only sell the Lite 2, whereas I want (if I do want a HHKB at all) the Professional 2 < 1255469895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: the name's clearly a variation on YACC < 1255470174 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I reply to your transubstantiation link: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1664#comic < 1255470197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you could say that unneccessaryquotes.com is full of unneccessary quotes < 1255470199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hur hur < 1255470205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*unnecessary < 1255470210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**unnecessary < 1255470220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: :D < 1255470265 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the alt-image < 1255470285 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mouse-over the red circle below) < 1255470306 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me 1500 comics to find that button's purpose... < 1255470307 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1255470313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: don't be condescending to me with your whole assuming I don't read smbc stuff :| < 1255470314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1255470339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically you had to vote for smbc in some random webcomics ranking before you could access it in the old days iirrc < 1255470340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iirc < 1255470374 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh, that sounds a bit circular < 1255470385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1255470404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clicked the votey (thus the name), it'd ask "DO YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR: SATURDAY BLARGHFEST", confirm, bam, image < 1255470456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i so tired < 1255470462 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that "it" < 1255470550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah heh < 1255470569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i briefly considered that interpretation for a few seconds before dismissing it as too silly < 1255470596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of a link to a thing you have to do to see the link, though < 1255470613 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, just the comic image, I thought < 1255470716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1255470822 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1255470883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1255471056 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know how to make the default version string go away :P < 1255471059 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it sends both. < 1255471258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.addictinggames.com/fingerfrenzy.html ;; argh, addicting (rather trivial game: type a→z as fast as possible) < 1255471265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.767 with crappy keyboard and qwerty is my record... < 1255471280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1255471284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got some 2.6s < 1255471304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4! < 1255471320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.532! < 1255471378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: /set irc_hide_version on < 1255471387 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1255471407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I'm not completely sure "on" is what you type in the /set command to set a boolean value; I just looked at the source.) < 1255471469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, and i've lost the skill < 1255471649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.394! < 1255471712 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-159-108-35.range86-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1255471719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.107! < 1255472096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.011, fuck yes < 1255472395 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1255472592 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best non-cheating score of this month seems to be 1.635 < 1255472647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are YouTube videos of people doing it in <1sec < 1255472665 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1255472708 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm happy with 2.283 < 1255472719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, I am superior to you with QWERTY on a scissor-switch < 1255472730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was also QWERTY < 1255472746 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to type a-ö just for fun occasionally < 1255472798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz < 1255472799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes me ages < 1255472805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm used to typing words, not letters < 1255472808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Colemak I keep typing qp instead of pq < 1255472873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bord < 1255472883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*board's all sweated up, yuck < 1255472893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, I'm officially a keyboard nut; saying "board"...) < 1255472898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: consider it as one big word < 1255472907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like supercalifragilisticexpialidocious < 1255472920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, which gets past spellcheck in os x < 1255472921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1255472925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's not a word I've finger-learnt yet < 1255473041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to learn every individual word to touch-type it? < 1255473042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think QWERTY has a bit of an advantage here with easily-rollable sequences: de, fghjkl, mn, op. Colemak has only mn and rst. < 1255473043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's worrying < 1255473153 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHze_NYbGs 0.265 seconds? < 1255473163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night ⇄ < 1255473190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wow that typing style is awful < 1255473213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that video was so faked < 1255473216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least from the looks of it < 1255473515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm make a keyboard layout that allows you to roll completely < 1255473526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-faked record solved. < 1255473601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really now... ──────► < 1255473881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheating. < 1255473889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only qwerty,dvorak,colemak allowed. < 1255474071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1255475438 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255475674 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1255475893 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1255476165 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1255476381 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed < 1255476607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1255476897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1255477045 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"