< 1255046417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching from a crufty 90s PS/2 rubber dome affair and a two-button-without-even-scroll-wheel 90s PS/2 ball mice on an uber-cheap felt pad to a mechanical keyswitch board and a Razer mouse on a glass mousing pad won't help you not suck :P
< 1255046452 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SHOULD
< 1255046458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; if only.
< 1255046474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mouse, not mice
< 1255046501 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1255046509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why so many mice use discrete scrollwheels.
< 1255046517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whussamatter with smooth continuous scrolling
< 1255046535 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lurrrrrrrrrrrve discrete scrollwheels.
< 1255046543 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of things actually make use of the discrete steps.
< 1255046543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why.
< 1255046547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See above.
< 1255046548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, true.
< 1255046554 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's chicken-and-egg.
< 1255046554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What examples, if you may?
< 1255046572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, honestly, as my scroll wheel broke a few months ago and I'm far too lazy/cheap to replace my mouse :P
< 1255046579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1255046600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only things I can think of are Emacs (and scrolling that with a wheel is an exercise in what the fuck) and iTunes (snaps scrolling to the lines of the library table)
< 1255046614 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I remember one thing I did a fekk of a lot, was switch between virtual desktops with the scroll wheel.
< 1255046618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former is a crapshoot anyway, the latter wouldn't really make any difference
< 1255046621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was discrete for obvious reasons.
< 1255046644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's true. It could just be continuous with a big enough space for each, though. It isn't trivial to click the mouse wheel only one.
< 1255046678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really arguing either way, I just think that it's more useful than you're letting on, albeit harmful to the things it doesn't help with.
< 1255046712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MX Revolution lets you click down the scroll wheel to switch between them XD
< 1255046719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in continuous mode, you can flick it and it'll keep rolling.
< 1255046761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH that means you can't click the scroll wheel. Then again, that's not very ergonomic in the first place.
< 1255046772 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I click the scroll wheel a LOT.
< 1255046774 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's paste in X.
< 1255046786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you click the middle button.
< 1255046797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happens to be assigned to the scroll wheel, which is a mouse button in yoour mouse.
< 1255046797 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but since that's embedded into the scroll wheel, there.
< 1255046800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your
< 1255046822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A three-button mouse with a scroll wheel separate from the middle button would also be acceptable.
< 1255046823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The point is that it's a separate button just below the wheel in the MX Revolution, and the scroll wheel is a mechanical button to switch between continuous/descreet.
< 1255046828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1255046839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this may be a good thing, because clicking the scroll wheel doesn't seem a terribly finger-friendly move to me.
< 1255046878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, hitting the button below might require moving one of my fingers off the scroll wheel; sure, having it elevated above the two on the other buttons isn't ergonomic, but it's so damn convenient to be able to do everything at once.
< 1255047333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tramp has been horreebly slow for me; admittedly I've only tried it with org-mode's icalendar-export feature. I've just been using sshfs instead.
< 1255047381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some "this is how to speed it up" tricks in the TRAMP manual, though.
< 1255047482 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1255047491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Given that "How could I speed up tramp?" is the third question on the FAQ, right after "where do I get it" and "what does it work on", I'm not the only one who's been bothered by the slowness.
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< 1255047593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't actually recommend using tramp, you understand, but it's gotta be faster than emacs-over-ssh.
< 1255047629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs-with-X-over-ssh, certainly. Terminal-Emacs-over-ssh should be fine though.
< 1255047684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I also have to admit being one of the discrete-wheel lovers, but that again is probably just a matter of what one is accustomed to. "Scroll wheel is middle button" feels reasonably natural nowadays, though it felt pretty strange back when they actually started putting wheels on all mice.)
< 1255047781 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a rather funkily shaped three-button no-wheel Logitech.
< 1255047875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it had some sort of rounded-triangleish shape.
< 1255047955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logitech_3_buttons_mouse.jpeg maybe except with a pattern instead of just plain white.
< 1255048017 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep now, nightey.
< 1255049068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kernel msg: ebtables bug: please report to author: The table doesn't like its own initial data, lol"
< 1255049069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—kernel
< 1255049087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If they have kernel.org, surely I can refer to it as "kernel".)
< 1255049124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drivers/parisc/superio.c: DBGINIT("_superio_\probe: WTF? Fire Extinguisher?\n");
< 1255049125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fs/autofs/inode.c: /* Can this call block? - WTF cares? s is locked. */
< 1255049131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :net/atm/ioctl.c: /* WTF? I don't even want to *think* about making this
< 1255049171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printk("ufsreadsuper: fucking Sun blows me\n"); 2.0.38 /usr/src/linux/fs/ufs/ufssuper.c
< 1255049178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will we ever find all the fun things in the kernel.
< 1255049564 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ehird
< 1255049568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so augur
< 1255049572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit was SO augur
< 1255049595 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the preposition "to"
< 1255049602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.
< 1255049603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently has the semantics
< 1255049620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f g h -> hfg
< 1255049623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom has semantics. like, in bed.
< 1255049623 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the type
< 1255049656 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e -> t) -> (e -> t) -> ((e -> t) -> (e -> t) -> (e -> t)) -> e -> t
< 1255049710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck.
< 1255049714 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1255049726 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its actually not TOO bad
< 1255049726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say kill it with fire.
< 1255049727 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1255049760 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e -> t) is the type of common noun phrases (so we might abbrviate it in those instances as NP)
< 1255049769 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is sort of
< 1255049773 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP -> NP -> (NP -> NP -> e -> t) -> e -> t
< 1255049777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t \f g h -> h f g
< 1255049783 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f g h -> h f g :: t -> t1 -> (t -> t1 -> t2) -> t2
< 1255049790 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP -> NP -> e -> t is the type of a ditransitive verb
< 1255049812 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "give" in "john gave frank a hat"
< 1255049820 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can just abbreviate that DTV
< 1255049828 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "to" is NP -> NP -> DTV -> e -> t
< 1255049848 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, take to NPs (as in [give [the book [to [frank]]]]
< 1255049869 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then take a ditransitive verb
< 1255049878 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apply the ditransitive verb to the NPs
< 1255049879 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get back a verb phrase (e -> t)
< 1255049898 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in those terms, it doesnt seem so weird, ey?
< 1255049906 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in explicit terms!
< 1255050122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur
< 1255050123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur?
< 1255050124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up.
< 1255050156 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think YOU should shut up
< 1255050156 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1255050185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how you always give me an opportunity to dictate intonation and timing over IRC
< 1255050187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"augur
< 1255050189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur?
< 1255050191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up."
< 1255050197 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in the bathroom.
< 1255050198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's expressive in a way "augur. augur? shut up." isn't
< 1255050202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a FEEL for it!
< 1255050207 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want to think of it as that, go ahead
< 1255050208 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1255050211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND YET it is even more expressive than "augur. augur. shut up."
< 1255050220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS MERELY REDUNDANT, NOT EMPHASIS-FILLED
< 1255050256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it would seem AWKWARD and perhaps even INAPPROPRIATE in the context of any other talking! It requires someone with a liberal use of lowercase, newlines and lack of punctuation to pull off!
< 1255050260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU, FRIEND
< 1255050333 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP MY DEAR
< 1255050526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH THIS IS A PUN YOU SEE
< 1255050528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP IS:
< 1255050535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. A LINGUISTIC TERM
< 1255050539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :II. A COMPUTER SCIENCE TERM
< 1255050549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :III. A COMMON INTERNET ACRONYM FOR "NO PROBLEM"
< 1255050579 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its also the logical counterpart to P, which is the shorthand for "preposition" which is the class of words that the word "to" belongs to!
< 1255050582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since augur is a linguist, this channel is (ostensibly) about computer science, and we are on IRC, a common medium for such shorthand, this (non-sexual!) triple entrende brings much humour!
< 1255050591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*entendre
< 1255050603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rawr
< 1255050608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, since NP was brought up in a linguistic sense earlier,
< 1255050608 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have a triple entendre with you ehird
< 1255050628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact in the context of the things that caused me to tell augur to shut up in my most delightful fashion,
< 1255050638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an extra punly zest!
< 1255050641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL DONE, FRIEND
< 1255050660 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1255051052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, being gay, he cannot be a very cunning linguist
< 1255051063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs away
< 1255051367 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i know some really hot transboys
< 1255051381 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in those cases it wouldnt bother me.
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< 1255051688 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO EXPERIENCEd POLISH GIRL WIll ClEAN YOUR HOUSE OFFICE OR APARTMENT PlEASE CAll
< 1255051730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^got that in the main, on loose leaf, not in an envelope. It was not xeroxed (I forgot the generic word for that)
< 1255051735 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :photocopied
< 1255051752 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the weird capitalization?
< 1255051756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, yes
< 1255051762 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird!
< 1255051763 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it looks somewhat better as written
< 1255051779 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dllllll
< 1255051779 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, APARTMEnT not APARTMENT
< 1255051789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the N is as big as the rest of the letters
< 1255051801 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dlllNlll
< 1255051806 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no magic code!
< 1255051879 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i just say
< 1255051888 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manually doing type inference is fun
< 1255052584 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its also quote enjoyable to try and use types to infer semantics
< 1255052630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bac
< 1255052632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/k/
< 1255052767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, hi augur.
< 1255052777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW IS THE AUGUR goddamn we need +c or -c whichever it is
< 1255052779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it is
< 1255052782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**AUGURY
< 1255052787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**AUGURY
< 1255052792 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its good!
< 1255052794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was me correcting **AUGURY to *AUGURY
< 1255052796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD
< 1255052811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm about to tell my teacher how to not make either "using namespace std" or "std::whatever" required on modern compilers
< 1255052820 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a horrible sin that I'm about to commit?
< 1255052939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. How?
< 1255052961 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using .h in the name of the header file
< 1255052972 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include instead of #include
< 1255052975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Namespace fail.
< 1255053000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1255053021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for "Use 'import std' instead of headers".
< 1255053101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(headers are t3h suck. Nothing other than C should ever use them -- and C is only allowed to because it's absurdly old.)
< 1255053148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends
< 1255053161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does C++ have import?
< 1255053167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1255053171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no excuse, though.
< 1255053611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey hey, import considered harmful!
< 1255053645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gbracha.blogspot.com/2009/06/ban-on-imports.html
< 1255053645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gbracha.blogspot.com/2009/07/ban-on-imports-continued.html
< 1255053650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Compared with headers, though?
< 1255053654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep up wit da programming avant garde, mon :P
< 1255053674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Headers are a freaking archaicism.
< 1255053679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Porn!" "2girls1cup? Eww. I was hoping for goatse."
< 1255053687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1255054090 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plans to get rid of headers for C++
< 1255054100 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more accurately, provide a better approach
< 1255054175 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1255054945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do those plans involve getting rid of C++?
< 1255054969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, we have two people in this channel who do not dislike C++.
< 1255055006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets out the tar, feathers
< 1255055015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, and Sgeo. I fear that this 5.56% coalition is threatening our national security.
< 1255055040 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a language that is true to the metal
< 1255055053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands Sgeo an assembler
< 1255055054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably learn assembler
< 1255055065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want such a language?
< 1255055072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will then want to torch your metal to the ground.
< 1255055073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metal of an x86 *sucks*.
< 1255055074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to learn!
< 1255055090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn meaningless bullshit without even any fun retro benefit? Awesome
< 1255055125 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is learning more about how my computer works "meaningless"?
< 1255055138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning x86 assembly doesn't do that.
< 1255055143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just as abstract as any language.
< 1255055152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is assembly abstract?
< 1255055163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want to know how it works, start doing some circuit design.
< 1255055166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the details about how computer chips actually do things are hidden; assembly is a symbolic language, just a crappy one.
< 1255055167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FURTHERMORE
< 1255055171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly isn't even the lowest code level
< 1255055173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microcode is.
< 1255055187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly instructions are implemented in the architecture-specific, proprietary, read-only microcode.
< 1255055192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even that is abstract!
< 1255055224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to learn how processors work is chip design.
< 1255055224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It elides over such details as 'what is 0' and 'what is 1'.
< 1255055237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything else is just learning the arbitrary details of the horrible not-even-base language the brain-damaged industry inflicted on us.
< 1255055333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waking up from a dream and going "dammit, that doesn't actually exist" is annoying.
< 1255055414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waking up from a dream and going "dammit, i hope that doesn't exist", perhaps less so
< 1255055446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1255055520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can C++ be mechanically turned to C?
< 1255055555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1255055560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why Cfront is a hoax.
< 1255055562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once upon a time it could.
< 1255055566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOAX
< 1255055576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
< 1255055600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they still have Cfront? *shudder*
< 1255055602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless C++'s compilation results actually require infinite memory :P
< 1255055611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Of course you can translate C++ to C mechanically, I mean
< 1255055676 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, Cfront is dead, but there's something else
< 1255055709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you're trying to do, don't.
< 1255055719 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comeau_C/C%2B%2B
< 1255055726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't learn>
< 1255055727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1255055730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I might as well hereby revoke your programming license before you do any more crap.
< 1255055737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURNS OUT I HAVE THAT POWER
< 1255055754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So when are you starting your research on the intimate properties of fecal matter?
< 1255056293 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would there be any point in learning Pascal?
< 1255056774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The programming language Pascal has become the dominant language of instruction in computer science education. It has also strongly influenced languages developed subsequently, in particular Ada.
< 1255056775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal was originally intended primarily as a teaching language, but it has been more and more often recommended as a language for serious programming as well, for example, for system programming tasks and even operating systems.
< 1255056775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal, at least in its standard form, is just plain not suitable for serious programming. This paper discusses my personal discovery of some of the reasons why.]]
< 1255056775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Brian W. Kernighan, April 2, 1981, "Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming Language"
< 1255056923 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders what an Avatar the Last Airbender video is doing in the section of his favorites that predate knowledge of what Avatar even is
< 1255057027 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have 20 videos favorited between September 2008 and March 2009? WTF?
< 1255057266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[There's a school in my neighbourhood that tells children that they may answer any question with 'god' and it will always be the right answer -_-;; Yup, education...]]
< 1255057273 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~A YouTube comment
< 1255057509 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if propaganda is not that blatant, there's a lot of it in elementary school...
< 1255058162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1255058193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: education is propaganda
< 1255058200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Who do you hate? "God"
< 1255058204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Who doesn't exist?" "God"
< 1255058210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Who had sex with yo momma last night?" "God!"
< 1255058222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Who killed John F. Kennedy?"
< 1255058236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then he was a liberal so...)
< 1255058246 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the Mark Twain quote about School and education again...
< 1255058267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never let school get in the way of my education?
< 1255058342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1255058543 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that propaganda includes "educational" videos, which are pure unsound propaganda.
< 1255058594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rather vague statement; care to clarify "'educational' videos"?
< 1255058677 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Videos which pretend to tell about something, but instead are disinformation.
< 1255058718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't disagree, but for instance…
< 1255058744 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much any Health ed. video.
< 1255058766 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if about what to eat.
< 1255058786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not this topic again
< 1255058811 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, history videos might be those as well.
< 1255058813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure the official healthy eating material isn't purposefully malicious disinformation, even if it is misguided
< 1255058871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to see a nutritionist
< 1255058931 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current food intake: Cheerios, chicken sandwich with lettuce and onions on school days, and pasta with cheese
< 1255058975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be dissin' Cheerios. I don't care if you weren't dissin' Cheerios, you had Cheerios in a sentence vaguely related to dissin' and that is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN
< 1255058999 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are those that genuinely believe current party line about "healthy eating". And there are those that do know better but still parrot the party line.
< 1255059037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think this is the first food pyramid conspiracy I've heard of. Does it have the All-Seeing Eye on it? :-P
< 1255059072 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not yet forgotten that proper food is a luxury.
< 1255059082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counting ones in comics, I've heard of others
< 1255059086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one other
< 1255059090 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a luxury I have access to about five times a week.
< 1255059111 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a buffet place on campus that I go to the majority of the time.
< 1255059129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, you go to college 5 times a week?
< 1255059158 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1255059175 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would have been a stupid plan, had it been the plan.
< 1255059175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION holds down ⌘A, watches the "Edit" menu's text switch from black to white (and the background from slate-blueish to blue) so fast that it goes weird colours
< 1255059190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally kick-ass.
< 1255059239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The colour-fringing from the subpixel antialiasing that it only does in the blue+white form for some reason becomes visible too.
< 1255059240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trippy.
< 1255059320 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its more like that big business can buy both goverment and media. And also corrupt patient organizations.
< 1255059359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't resist. what's your opinion on fluoride
< 1255059362 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This food pyramid thing is just one manifestation of that.
< 1255059488 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Haven't got data on typical concentrations, toxicity and accumulation characteristics. So not real opinion.
< 1255059502 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no
< 1255059505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically its addition to toothpaste and the water supplies
< 1255059592 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want another example of big business buying (at least goverment and to lesser extent media): Global warming.
< 1255059651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying as in "Al Gore is a hypocrite" or "Climate change is a lie"
< 1255059660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I can agree with the first but not the second
< 1255059730 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like "Climate change is real, and previous worst case estimates often prove optimistic"... But no action...
< 1255059774 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :events of summer 2007 shot pretty much all ice models to hell. Etc.
< 1255059790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, we have to DO things to stop it happening?! I am shocked. :P
< 1255059871 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are things about climate forecasts I don't agree with. But those involve inputs to models, not the models themselves.
< 1255060175 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and also I think climate models are too optimistic due to simplifications they make (especially effects not modelled).
< 1255060209 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimistic => underpredicts change.
< 1255060233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good thing that "we're severely fucked" and "we're severely hugely fucked" can both only be solved by massive societal changes that will account for both.
< 1255060245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, it's also a bad thing due to massive societal changes being hard.
< 1255060256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's get to work on a Dyson sphere.
< 1255060295 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agree on at least being "severly fucked".
< 1255060307 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*severely
< 1255060564 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also some parts of world have quite high population densities which can barely be supported today with industrial farming... In case of widespread system distruption, things could get VERY ugly.
< 1255060621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what http://typophile.com/files/sbpx_3996.png and http://typophile.com/files/roman_tr_5609.png look like on a CRT — legible handmade 3 pixel x-height entirely RGB subpixel font
< 1255060674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably like smudges. I can actually read most of the text in the first one sitting at a normal distance... "Lorim ipsum dolor sit am(something)- (something) ipsum miha on Typohil.com"
< 1255060696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it'd be easier to read if there wasn't that intentional typo to test its legibility.
< 1255060698 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost readable (mostly being too small).
< 1255060712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think the typo is intentional.
< 1255060739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I guess the fact that the general shape is still right even viewed monochromatically helps.
< 1255060752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses Sim Daltonism to see what it looks like with various forms of colourblindness
< 1255060760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns off Flux for accurate colour reproduction while doing so
< 1255060776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, my eyes!
< 1255060778 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1255060836 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to get rid of his current Emacs installation and install EmacsW32
< 1255060845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently Color Oracle might be better.
< 1255060855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The best place to download EmacsW32 is at http://vim.org/
< 1255060863 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW: Applying red-green colorblindness filter to color within RGB gamut can result color outside it.
< 1255060865 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1255060875 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1255060892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..wha?
< 1255060920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs has a vim emulator, apparently
< 1255060927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why ever use vim if emacs is installed?
< 1255060963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just a bit too smudged.
< 1255060969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You really have to ask that?
< 1255060988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring entirely your incredibly brain-damaged conclusion, it does not have a vim emulator.
< 1255060996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has viper, which assigns a subset of vim keys to similar emacs operations.
< 1255061001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just editing commands.
< 1255061038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else is there to vim besides editing commands?
< 1255061047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................
< 1255061053 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And saving, and stuff
< 1255061055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote What else is there to vim besides editing commands?
< 1255061056 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :89| What else is there to vim besides editing commands?
< 1255061061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (because he needs to see this for the lulz)
< 1255061065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh, stop talking about editors.
< 1255061084 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what else ... is ther e... to vim ... ... besides editing commands???
< 1255061102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Plus:
< 1255061103 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make an esoteric editor channel
< 1255061103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:02] Sgeo: Emacs has a vim emulator, apparently
< 1255061103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:02] Sgeo: So why ever use vim if emacs is installed?
< 1255061113 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for things like butterfly coding
< 1255061374 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY would I ever want to use the Win key for Meta?
< 1255061395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Emacs has super as well as meta.
< 1255061401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why would you ever want to:
< 1255061405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) play tetris in your editor?
< 1255061415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) I'd go on, but listing all the ridiculous bloat emacs has is old hat.
< 1255061424 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win key for meta is very sensible
< 1255061429 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see why you'd want otherwis
< 1255061432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) The point is that if you're surprised by it, combined with your ignorance of vim,
< 1255061438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d) why are you recommending emacs to people?
< 1255061447 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you prefer? Context menu key for meta?
< 1255061448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e) This list is not actually one. Fun fact.
< 1255061457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The most common is alt...
< 1255061466 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt is for alt, thankyouverymuch
< 1255061473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does alt do?
< 1255061477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, auxillary keyboard shortcuts.
< 1255061479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I'd like Win+D to minimize everything, even if I'm in emacs
< 1255061486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*auxiliary
< 1255061486 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly modifies other keyboard shortcuts
< 1255061495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, on Lisp Machine keyboards Control was where Alt is on modern machines. And Meta is where Control is.
< 1255061512 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten used to Ctrl+Alt for most application shortcuts, for instance, because that's all Windows allows
< 1255061515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIMP-style interfaces (apart from OS X) also use Control for most commands and Alt less often.
< 1255061524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the positioning of them on most keyboards is completely backwards.
< 1255061534 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIMP?
< 1255061545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Window, icon, menu, pointer.
< 1255061549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1255061559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or weakly interacting massive particle, an astonishingly apropos term from physics.)
< 1255061612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WIMP applications are large — they duplicate a lot of functionality and generally you switch "to" them; they are particles in of themselves in this way. They don't have a unified way to plug into other applications, so you do everything from within them and then go through tedious save/load or export/import processes, etc…)
< 1255062616 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1255063425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday and Today's User Friendly look like they're going in a morbid direction :/
< 1255063600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UserFriendly still exists? Oh yeah, I forgot, it has to; otherwise the universe would have no unifying source of suck.
< 1255063656 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches a YouTube video via VLC
< 1255063734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Piracy Payback, a website that collects donations from downloaders and distributes them to rightsholder organizations in Europe and North America"
< 1255063737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy I can't wait!
< 1255063747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll donate negative dollars.
< 1255063940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right-clicking my desktop when using a DirectX wallpaper thing was not so helpful
< 1255064008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DirectX wallpaper?
< 1255064028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, I'm just wondering if you filled your cranium with bees or something instead of the usual brain matter...
< 1255064034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DirectX. Wallpaper.
< 1255064035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus.
< 1255064065 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm just experimenting
< 1255064068 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun
< 1255064069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No purpose
< 1255064090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm just experimenting with eating nothing but dog excrement, you see." :P
< 1255064165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, this is an awesome video
< 1255064177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where were we, if we're here with her now? Whether weather interfered, enter "fear" to affect an effect. It's their problem its hair's there, Hare. Poop.
< 1255064177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were where we, if were hear wither now? Weather whether enter "fear", interfere to effect an affect. Its there problem it's here's their, Here. Shit."
< 1255064222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the gratuitous poop/shit.
< 1255064231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…don't take that out of context.
< 1255064246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should get into the habit of using proper apostrophes and quotes and stuff, but those extra modifier keys are so much work.
< 1255064482 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is whether or not VLC can open a YouTube video seemingly random?
< 1255064499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mother is random, so it turns out.
< 1255064779 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1255066216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: If I were to run an IRC bot, would you be angry?
< 1255066325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1255066326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1255066338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on normish
< 1255066349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think even Warrigal could have inferred that context.
< 1255066659 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normish is a nomic
< 1255066677 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, just run your bot, and Warrigal can pass a proposal (or use sudo magic, same thing) if e disagrees
< 1255067258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such codenomics generally have the metarule "don't be a dick".
< 1255067322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[INTERLUDE: Safari crashes, I hit “Relaunch”, and then click History → Reopen All Windows from Last Session, all while wondering why that isn’t the default.]
< 1255067339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The magical “uncrash” button!
< 1255067358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduce entropy button
< 1255067376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I click the same link, and it crashes again. I wonder if I should upgrade Safari. Rebooting is so hard, though…
< 1255067421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, and it asks me if I want to temporarily reset Safari’s settings because it crashed after relaunching from a crash.
< 1255067427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah; I think I’ll instead try clicking again.
< 1255067463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[clicks the magical uncrash button] Bam bam bam bam pow! A series of windows pop up and proceed to desperately load pages.
< 1255067684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m reading some miscellaneous windows I had floating about and closing those that I’m done with; maybe some spring cleaning will coerce Safari into opening that page.
< 1255067701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I’m not even *that* interested in reading the page, but you know, get me started on a project…)
< 1255067702 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....Joel got the Emacs and vi bindings backwards
< 1255067712 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Emacs fanatics memorized ":q!" (and nothing else) in case they ever found themselves stuck in vi by mistake, while vi users memorized "C-x C-c" (Emacs even has its own way to represent control characters)."
< 1255067716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog0000000061.html
< 1255067734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: erm, that's correct
< 1255067741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, yeah.
< 1255067750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The users of one editor just memorise the quit command for the other.
< 1255067754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1255067760 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread that line
< 1255067760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Joel Spolsky is an idiot, by the way.
< 1255067766 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> I'll shut up now
< 1255067768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm, howso?
< 1255067791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His older stuff has more merit, but generally his articles fall into one of two categories: the first, obvious, and the second, idiotic. The second has one notable subcategory: Microsoft apologia.
< 1255067848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel more intelligent when typing in correct English with full use of appropriate typography. I wonder why that is.
< 1255067905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh — [[Fine, so, it's stunningly beautiful]] in response to http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/pictures/Quit_Soap.gif; our definitions of “stunningly beautiful” must differ, Joel. Then again, maybe everyone was crazy in 2000.
< 1255067906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats just retarded ehird
< 1255067934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My mind instantly categorised that line as “augur”; I had to override my recognition engine and look at the name purposefully.
< 1255067944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1255067966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1255067969 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird
< 1255067970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think it's attractive
< 1255067977 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when do i say things like that
< 1255067979 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1255067980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd otherwise think a linguist would use correct punctuation...
< 1255067995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oerjan: actually, no!
< 1255068007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: [long-winded rant that nobody cares about]
< 1255068008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually, no!
< 1255068034 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[non-rant because im watching dark angel]
< 1255068041 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rapes ehird like the cunt bitch he is
< 1255068044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: You conspicuously omit punctuation and capitalisation; I don’t know of anyone else in here that says “thats”. Plus, you often refer to me by appending my name unadorned to the end of a message.
< 1255068055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you never agree with me. :P
< 1255068072 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i do, ehird
< 1255068080 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with you plenty, ehird
< 1255068096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, wrong on both accounts! I am neither a vagina (nor do I have one), nor am I a female dog.
< 1255068123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure about the dog part
< 1255068131 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that vagina part
< 1255068133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN A WORLD WHERE I RESPOND TO SUCH QUERIES SERIOUSLY: Also, wrong on both accounts! I am not female, which is a prerequisite for being either a cunt or a bitch.
< 1255068152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: On the internet, nobody knows you’re an unfunny cartoon?
< 1255068172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you refer to http://www.ricklatona.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/picresized_1229584137_youreadog.gif.
< 1255068176 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure they do. thats why they know it about you!
< 1255068179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't recall the original cartoon for that meme
< 1255068185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like the filename; “youreadog”.)
< 1255068193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe it is that comic. It fails to be funny.
< 1255068202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm rings a bell
< 1255068209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or humorous, maybe it fails to be humorous. I’m no wording nazi!
< 1255068221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s probably a fancy linguist term for “wording”. augur?
< 1255068236 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know, im not a wording nazi either
< 1255068241 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a grammar nazi
< 1255068246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Achtung.
< 1255068253 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jawohl
< 1255068259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :philology nazi
< 1255068263 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh no
< 1255068265 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :philology
< 1255068268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you guys
< 1255068270 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1255068285 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verbiage nazi?
< 1255068301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexicography nazi?
< 1255068302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pæophilia nazi.
< 1255068309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pædophilia nazi.
< 1255068318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Re: philology.)
< 1255068337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, no, seriously, I will break with British punctuation for “pedophile”.
< 1255068368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think philology is like philosophy, the -logy is not actually in its usual suffix sense but means "of words"
< 1255068442 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true.
< 1255068454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or its study of philo!
< 1255068462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philology, astrology; what’s the difference. (4, according to the Levenshtein distance.)
< 1255068466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1255068471 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.82.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1255068489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess is "love of" right?
< 1255068490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1255068491 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :study of love?
< 1255068494 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1255068498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That part and join was a political statement… uh, on the nature of fat-fingeredness, I guess.
< 1255068528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :philology has the composition backwards from modern germanic languages
< 1255068534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1255068545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like english or norwegian)
< 1255068556 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1255068566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, greek is not germanic
< 1255068638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, Verdana’s {’} is so ugly.
< 1255068653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should probably come up with a better of quoting odd stuff than {…}.)
< 1255068705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lost your way there, i think
< 1255068803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm?
< 1255068820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently
< 1255068908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I’m not responsible for any serial killing I do in your name if you don’t explain the joke. :P
< 1255068921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+way
< 1255068924 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codu.org/projects/gjs/hg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/app/test.js I'M EVIL and now I'm going to sleep.
< 1255068935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I… lost my +way?
< 1255068956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What’s so evil, apart from the include() idiocy?
< 1255068974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwaitwait, is this making a JSMIPS display?
< 1255068984 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl, no, although it could technically go in that direction.
< 1255068991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s the point, then?
< 1255068996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks just like a