< 1254441647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have ipconfig or winipcfg... uh oh. < 1254441694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Add/Remove Programs we go, to modify the system! < 1254441705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, Explorer and the Start Menu are quite nice in 95. < 1254441735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dicks the multimedia sound schemes
< 1254441737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254441739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TICKS < 1254441745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sound recorder. < 1254441766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Volume Control... < 1254441831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find anything ethernetty, but we'll do that later. < 1254441862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1254441866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't installed TCP/IP. < 1254441866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1254441935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restarting! < 1254441986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, 98 sucked a lot more than 95. < 1254442034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 3.11 for Workgroups RULZ < 1254442040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not rly. < 1254442046 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG IT ROX UR SOX < 1254442055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been please waiting while my computer shuts down for a long time now, 95. < 1254442060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind if I reboot? < 1254442128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft < 1254442131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Windows 95 < 1254442134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Microsoft Internet Explorer < 1254442142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like what you've done to my splash screen, 95. < 1254442169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from a JScript compilation error, MSN is loading. < 1254442176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is teh ugly. < 1254442190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack.org, though, is beautiful! < 1254442199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grey background perfectly compliments the black logo. < 1254442239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to make the 95 VGA driver not horribly slow? Thought not. < 1254442471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good that the internet's working, though. < 1254442525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OF COURSE AC'97 won't work! < 1254442527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyword '97. < 1254442573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION emulates a Soundblaster 16 instead
< 1254442600 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a more suitable video driver than VGA. < 1254442616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it's in VirtualBox's guest additions, which *probably* don't support Windows 95... < 1254442630 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a generic one. < 1254442633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1254442634 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. some generic VESA driver. < 1254442634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1254442641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'll give that a try. < 1254442652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wow it's slow. Just shutting down takes forever to draw the screen-dimming checkerboard. < 1254442655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can watch it go by. < 1254442699 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254442760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the Gameport Joystick it found is... < 1254442774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no; don't tell me it can't find a file. < 1254442815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would help if I mounted the CD. < 1254442847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Qt isn't hinting more; it's just using a font one point size to small. Like that Grinch fellow. < 1254442854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hello there, frozen 95. < 1254442938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is thrown into the 98 booter for the hacked 95 CD, and elects to boot windows with C:\win
< 1254442966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, windows\win. < 1254442984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, it can't start like that. < 1254442985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1254443083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand there's Eno's soothing tones. < 1254443220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Far as I can tell 95 doesn't have any VESA drivers! < 1254443226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have a selection of VGA ones, though, and an SVGA one. < 1254443244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's "Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (XGA)". < 1254443248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try SVGA, that should still be better. < 1254443264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatsabout that PCI XGA one? < 1254443265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's being exposed as PCI. < 1254443268 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a clue < 1254443282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVGA it is. < 1254443285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTHER HARDWARE CONFLICTS DUN DUN DUN < 1254443286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shit < 1254443296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey an alert sound. It sucks. < 1254443306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 95 is being annoyingly usable so far. < 1254443316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant to be all complicated and ancient so I can laugh at it. < 1254443357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it crashes like usual, so I'll reboot and it'll install it on start-up. < 1254443472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it failed at that; it can't find drivers for Unknown Device. < 1254443474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try again. < 1254443503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze < 1254443512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reboot < 1254443518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realise I didn't put the 98 disc in < 1254443519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put in < 1254443526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boot 95 < 1254443618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1254443622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently using PCI/VGA. < 1254443627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try PCI/XGA. < 1254443659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apply, restart and here we go. < 1254443679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how 95 can restart without going through the BIOS. < 1254443702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the XGA driver isn't compatible, but it falled back. < 1254443708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you know, Xorg doesn't fall back. < 1254443728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will note that Xorg sucks. < 1254443729 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1254443753 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible for something to do X where X is failing at X. < 1254443756 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, uh, wait. < 1254443774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand I can have 800x600 with 16 colours, plus change my font sizes. < 1254443842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works, but is just as slow. < 1254443996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I'm using a Pentium Pro. < 1254444265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode's java applet fails because there's no document.getElementById :) < 1254444327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JScript didn't support object literals, then... < 1254444456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mIRC still supports Windows 95?!?!!?!?! < 1254444465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow... < 1254444609 0 :ehird95!n=ehird95@91.104.224.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254444625 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I possibly the prers on using the oldest OS to enter here? < 1254444638 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Harumph, backspace doesn't work. < 1254444641 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1254444651 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone's used anythinig older than Windows 95 to come here, anyway. < 1254444653 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^H ftw < 1254444665 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetz from Windows 95 Telnet. < 1254444678 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: despite what I told Telnet, freenode's IRC link is anonot a VT100. < 1254444689 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be dstripping out my backspaces. < 1254444704 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm avoiding using that key, due to it, you nkow, being useless. < 1254444749 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1254444814 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mIRC works on windows 95, you know. < 1254444820 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suppose telnet is preferable to mIRC. < 1254444825 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See two lines beofore I entered. < 1254444836 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, mIRc is C is so bloated thseese days. < 1254444847 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't feel... 95. < 1254444847 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a note to be less lazy
< 1254444853 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1254444885 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Telnet option to wait for the whole line beofore ensending? < 1254444893 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an option to read the - oh, there it is. < 1254444904 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would feel slightly 95-y if you left it in fixedsys < 1254444905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly laggy network stack. < 1254444916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: BUT ONLY SLIGHTLT < 1254444918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLIGHTLY < 1254444949 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas for making the grahics performance less cripplingly slow? < 1254445086 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes 95 not prompt for a network logon on startup, reboots to persist that setting and see if it works
< 1254445095 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did just type that using literal Ctrl-As. < 1254445107 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254445135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it prompts me for a username and password, but I can skip that to disable it. < 1254445192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it wants a username though. < 1254445202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what was my username before this, I wonder? < 1254445462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 T6" < 1254445463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1254445503 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Ig Nobels are on :) < 1254445561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ig nobels vaguely irriate me < 1254445566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*irritate < 1254445590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it groups valid research with homeopaths, and says to the valid researchers "your work seems amusing to the common man! harde har har!" < 1254445934 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Rule of Funny wins < 1254445950 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1254445952 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hilariou < 1254446053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1254446074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody talks about windows 95 on google :( < 1254446074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all xp < 1254446198 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I always use literal Ctrl-As to type my ACTIONs when doing IRC via telnet. < 1254446215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Yes, but this is Windows Telnet. < 1254446219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphical. Weird thing. < 1254446241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you want True color or high resolution, you need to download special drivers. < 1254446241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/bearwindows/vbe9x.htm" < 1254446242 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... hyperterminal? < 1254446242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harumph < 1254446245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: nah < 1254446294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VBEMP x86 Project < 1254446294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver < 1254446294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for Windows 9x x86 Architecture) < 1254446296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this is it. < 1254446443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some old version of Opera is likely to be the snappiest, most compatible browser for this, right? < 1254446502 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What version of IE is on there, if any? < 1254446522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 3. < 1254446526 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE4 doesn't work with msn.com, incidentally < 1254446536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can probably get IE 5.5 or something, max. < 1254446538 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What OSes were IE2 and 1 for? < 1254446547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0 or 3.11 or something < 1254446549 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got IE6 working on Win98 < 1254446604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reboots, installs the third-party VESA driver, yay?
< 1254446656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, IE 3 can't do about:blank < 1254446675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\BLANK.HTM < 1254446676 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember playing with IE's about:some_html < 1254446677 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff < 1254446681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1254446716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, by "IE is a part of the OS" I think they meant "we forgot to make folders, so we have our HTM files in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM and stuff, and we can't figure out how to extract all the files". < 1254446730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lo, Marketing went: "And this is Good." < 1254446780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish my mouse wheel worked. < 1254446784 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought IE wasn't considered part of the OS until 98? < 1254446858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Slow driver operation when user scroll, move or resize a window." < 1254446860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh < 1254446864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Probably true < 1254446887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: It's certainly an OS *component* in 95, though. < 1254446896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even changes the boot splash to include "Microsoft Internet Explorer". < 1254446916 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1254446936 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers changing his bootscreen to Userfriendly stuff
< 1254446994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have changed it to your desktop background, say with a fake window saying "Starting Windows...". It'd feel like the graphics have initialised earlier, providing that your resolution was low enough that it didn't look all pixelated. :P < 1254447008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's so fast now!" < 1254447013 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254447120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, 95 can't handle PNGs by default. < 1254447280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, PNG came out in 1997 I think. < 1254447339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: The service pack for 95 included IE. < 1254447351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made some rather massive patches. < 1254447363 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, clearly, we should all switch back to .gif! < 1254447366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(largely for the sake of "ITS PART OF THE OS!") < 1254447394 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.gif has wider support than .png! < 1254447405 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The patent on GIFs ran out, right?) < 1254447420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254447427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on the algorithm. < 1254447441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I need to unzip things. < 1254447449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess WinZip is my best option for 95... < 1254447451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An old version. < 1254447904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-Zip lists its first working version as 98; worth the risk, I wonder? < 1254448000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some older 7-Zips worked on 95, so. < 1254448012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An older WinZip might actually be lighter, though. < 1254448055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible to use sourceforge's download site with IE 3, so old WinZip it is. < 1254448508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tight integration with the Windows 95 shell" < 1254448511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :P < 1254448589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happily disabled. < 1254448601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WinZip 6.2, circa 1996. < 1254448615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like every WinZip version. < 1254448648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CompuServe mail: 70056,241" < 1254448661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bringing the convenience of Windows to the use of ZIP files" < 1254448675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, and it still has that Path column instead of showing a hierarchical view. < 1254448685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they do that? < 1254448816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driver installed with a double-click, files deletes. < 1254448817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deleted < 1254448923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not *quite* double-clicking; think I need to use it as a Have Disk. < 1254448984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1254448997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohnoes, an error D: < 1254449016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll reboot and hope for the best. < 1254449048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pow! Kazap! That's some fast display technology! < 1254449065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 color?!!?! Let's use... AWESOME COLOURW^W32-bit < 1254449068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*^W^W < 1254449098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only goes to 800x600; probably because of the 256-colour thing. Should be able to bunk that up post-32bitizing. < 1254449106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, nope. < 1254449110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can VESA only do 800x600? < 1254449298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, indeed. < 1254449300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1254449339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Users employing the Windows 95 operating system who want to install Opera 9.5 are therefore advised to download and install the free Windows Sockets 2.0 update from Microsoft." < 1254449349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They... still supported 95 as of last version? < 1254449520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Rain, then sets about finding a browser, IRC client
< 1254449769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so my fan spins down; thanks, Rain. < 1254450115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs IntelliPoint drivers 4.01 for Windows 95
< 1254450115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should include Wheel Mouse drivers, which should enable the mouse wheel. < 1254450170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...apparently these MOUSE DRIVERS require a newer IE. < 1254450184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1254450197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been talking to myself for an awful long while; anyone there? < 1254450222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nein. < 1254450228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so. < 1254450242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas how the fuck some mouse drivers for Windows 95 could require IE in any way? < 1254450251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just forcing me to install it because of bullshit, and lying to me about why? < 1254450344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it's unable to launch IE5setup.exe anyway. < 1254450359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll Just Use An Older Version(TM). < 1254450946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've removed the fucking drivers. < 1254451773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello everyone < 1254451778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1254451795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see < 1254451837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 40-50 math problems a week, plus a few hundred pages to read < 1254451853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the overachieving thing < 1254451858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254451886 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has lots of work he should be doing
< 1254451901 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as doing a bonus assignment to bring my test mark in Bio up to 100% :D < 1254451941 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254451947 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi oklopol < 1254451947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really my competitiveness is completely rational, in automata theory, i was disappointed there was no problem only i had done < 1254451949 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : he was here before oerjan < 1254451951 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yesterday i think < 1254451960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't matter i was the only one to have done them all < 1254451981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: i'm sure you quoted that from months ago :D < 1254451994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was here this morning i think < 1254451995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1254451998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday < 1254452046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was probably sleeping. as i will soon. < 1254452151 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 95 is cool. < 1254452272 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm formatting one of those extraneous disk drives instantly closes virtualbox < 1254452278 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they're non-floppy things that it mistakes for floppies :) < 1254452284 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god windows 95 is so quick to boot up < 1254452290 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... this pizza guy is bad, but he doesn't set a record < 1254452325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1254452334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was disappointed the guy in the wheelchair who can only mumble and bite his arm was actually just an average student, i had my hawking fantasies < 1254452347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1254452354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254452387 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254452412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now has fantasies of him being a pizza guy on the side
< 1254452413 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean moutharm < 1254452416 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shot
< 1254452429 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION braces for swatting
< 1254452456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know i suffer from brachiophagia -----### < 1254452477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, see you later, need to go do stuff -> < 1254452510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only skin deep, but still < 1254452535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye oklopol < 1254452542 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough, CSS level 2 isn't out but CSS level 3 is already being drafted < 1254452723 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1254452726 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wrong < 1254452731 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only css 2.1 that isn't out < 1254452933 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I like Windows 95 < 1254452940 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so upsetting < 1254453097 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254453125 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-166-171-123.range86-166.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254453130 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254453135 0 :Sgeo__!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254454180 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please Tell Me Why You Are Still Useing Windows 95 WHEN You Can Buy a Recon XP Machine Of A Decent Spec for 75 Pounds Why Are U Still F**king Around With 95 Well Ok I Still Have A 98 Machine But Thats ON 24 7 for my email inbox for work it sa pice of s**t but i only need 4 emails --Annoyances.org Windows 95 forum < 1254454294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that guy has the annoyance part spot on < 1254454318 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like idiot poetry. < 1254455167 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: you weren't entirely correct about Intel drivers sucking less that ATI. Less stuff works, but the stuff that works works better < 1254455170 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/less that/more than/ < 1254455316 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less stuff like what? < 1254455319 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's still shit slow < 1254455355 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is less choppy < 1254455361 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can run compositing and OGL at the same time < 1254456133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1254456374 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254456654 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254456655 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254456655 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254456655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254456668 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254456669 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254456669 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254456763 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-166-171-123.range86-166.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254456763 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254456763 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254456763 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1254456763 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1254456763 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-95-188.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254456763 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1254456799 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1254456805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no nickserv < 1254456807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1254456808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION upgrades MSIE 3.0 to MSIE 3.02 to get the new WinInet.dll for Opera 9
< 1254456842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worky :( < 1254456849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees if he can persuade opera 10 to run
< 1254456870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254456875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps with the classic installer < 1254456879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't work, opera 9.64 classic installer < 1254457041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: Using this option requires all users on this computer to be administrators." < 1254457052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Users? Administrators? What do you speak of, clearly modern program! < 1254457106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The system library Msimg32.dll is missing or too old, so certain transparency effects will be slow and possibly not drawn corectly. Obtaining the library from a Windows ME installation and placing it in your Windows system directory will fix this." < 1254457122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well gee, I don't think I'm going to be infecting this VM with the virus you speak of... :P < 1254457142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It, uh, holy shit. < 1254457143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works. < 1254457158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, works works. < 1254457160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Properly. < 1254457168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Slowly... < 1254457178 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No that LIES < 1254457184 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing from ME is good EVER < 1254457192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Opera 10. < 1254457195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...on Windows 9. < 1254457197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*95 < 1254457204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've gotta wonder why they bother coding for it. < 1254457208 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254457209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be a bitch. < 1254457216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEAKING OF BITCHES HI AUGUR < 1254457237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, it really works properly < 1254457242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit.com renders in a few seconds smoothly < 1254457252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH HEY EHIRD < 1254457304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my next trick, I'm going to fucking - wait for it - try to install Flash. < 1254457314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL CONQUER YOU, WINDOWS 95! < 1254457320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL FIND WHAT YOU CANNOT DO, AND I WILL SPIT AT THEE! < 1254457372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows 98/ME" WELL THAT'S BASICALLY LIKE 95! < 1254457384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, no Flash 10 for me, oh no, only 9 < 1254457418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1254457421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported operating system. < 1254457424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'll just go for the previous version! < 1254457577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Make it so that hovering over Opera's menu doesn't highlight them; other programs don't do that,. < 1254457578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that. < 1254458046 0 :ehird95!n=opera@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254458050 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1254458060 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Opera 10 on Windows 95. < 1254458091 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : VERSION Opera/9.80 (Windows 95; U; en) Presto/2.2.15 Version/10.00 < 1254458186 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to see if mIRC would run better... hey, why is Opera in my system tray? < 1254458254 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254458266 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... how can I remove it... < 1254458708 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254458727 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi augur. < 1254458749 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi ehi- < 1254458751 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT A MINUTE < 1254458758 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1254458763 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*What. < 1254458766 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next itll be ehird98 < 1254458769 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ehird2000 < 1254458771 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ehirdME < 1254458777 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1254458780 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD GOD MAN < 1254458793 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw. 98 is boring, but 2000 is fun. Me is just oh god. < 1254458801 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: also, I'm actually using Windows 95 to type this line. < 1254458818 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1254458835 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Opera 10, which also renders modern webpages really snappily just fine. Admittedly 95 is being virtualised under a system with a 2.1GHz Core 2 Duo. < 1254458841 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VM only has 64MiB of RAM though. < 1254458857 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my scroll wheel works. < 1254458872 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254458902 0 :ehird95!n=opera@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254458905 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eep. < 1254458908 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera crashed there. < 1254458940 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I actually had to install drivers for Microsoft mice, but they enable the scroll wheel just fine... < 1254458995 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi augur. < 1254459176 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o hai < 1254459218 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the latest mIRC should also work with 95. < 1254459671 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose anyone knows of a good tool to measure memory and CPU usage by individual processes in a list for windows 9x? Thought not. < 1254460214 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254460253 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254462046 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254462057 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1254462060 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1254462384 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if ehird95 will say something. < 1254462473 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely! < 1254462490 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1254462506 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254462606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why opening a DOS prompt garbles everything. < 1254462643 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254465023 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254465736 0 :Rugxulo!n=user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254465810 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254465826 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha! < 1254465837 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the glorious power of the registry, I have enabled full colour icons! < 1254465936 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254465951 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was limited to 800x600 because of the setting of the monitor to svga 800x600 < 1254465952 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly me < 1254465979 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i can have up to 1600x1200! < 1254466159 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254466578 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254466794 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why ehird is obsessed with visual effects ...
< 1254467649 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is brainstorming for suitable words using A, A, T ("skip to next line" idiom in ETA)
< 1254467701 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use any of the following before those, though: HTAOINSE < 1254467708 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not easily) < 1254467861 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apathy", "a cat", "Paul Blart", ... < 1254467904 0 :MigoMipo!i=3e779bfd@gateway/web/freenode/x-bsfjzidwvqewpceu JOIN :#esoteric < 1254469147 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254469597 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254469640 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: i'm not "obsessed with visual effects" < 1254469649 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the 16-color icons for modern programs are reaaaaaaaaaaally ugly < 1254469662 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just one registry change to fix the *artificially limited* colors < 1254469669 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to sell Win95 Plus!) < 1254469693 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they sell Plus! anymore < 1254469716 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: yeah, they don't sell Windows 95 any more, either; but that's what I did the hack on because when they made 95 they were trying to sell Plus!. < 1254469719 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I think Vista is different < 1254469735 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you realise that the icons were 16-color before... < 1254469740 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uses .PNG or whatever) < 1254469746 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never cared, honestly < 1254469758 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was fixing an intentional deficiency in Windows 95 so that the icons for modern programs were legible; it took about 10 seconds. < 1254469760 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember playing games that came with Windows 98 Plus! < 1254469781 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody makes 16-color icons nowadays, so they're illegible blobs. < 1254469805 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Windows 98 Plus! would work in Xp
< 1254469806 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP < 1254469810 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it < 1254469832 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS couldn't even get Vista out the door without breaking MSVC 2k5 etc. < 1254469864 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I've had no luck getting a widescreen resolution, though Nathan of toastytech.com used Windows 95 with a widescreen monitor as his main OS as recently as a few years ago, iirc < 1254469874 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's with a Voodoo card; I just have this lowly VESA thing. < 1254469893 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's pushing 1280x1024 at the moment, with a small black bar at the top and bottom and big ones to the sides. < 1254469901 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graphics performance is... not stellar. < 1254469920 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But menus and windows and such pop up instantly, and Opera 10 is more or less usable when it isn't apparently using up all the CPU. < 1254469948 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be surprised if Opera 10 did that, but who knows ... < 1254469980 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: did what? < 1254469981 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been using Chrome a lot lately, so has been neglecting Opera, Firefox, etc.
< 1254469988 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hogged all your cpu(s) < 1254469996 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I can't use Chrome because it requires 2000/XP and I'm using 95. < 1254470016 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Firefox 2.0.0.18 (or whatever) still works on Win95, right? < 1254470022 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only Firefox <2 < 1254470029 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, Opera 10 supports more stuff and is waaaay more snappy. < 1254470029 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, if you're using an older computer without multi-core, a lot of stuff won't be as fast < 1254470047 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 99% sure that 2.0.0.18 supports Win98 at least (not Win95 also??) < 1254470049 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I have two cores; it's just that I'm using an OS that thinks I'm running the top-of-the-line processor, a Pentium Pro. < 1254470055 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's in a VM) < 1254470058 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win95 is not dual core friendly < 1254470060 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: 2 drops support for 95 < 1254470063 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, VM, no wonder it's slow < 1254470065 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1254470072 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays VMs run the code directly on the CPU < 1254470089 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the hardware is emulated < 1254470092 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of it, and even then that's only with virtualization extensions < 1254470096 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't take much to push some pixels < 1254470100 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand how Win95 and Win98 are so different. I know that a lot of stuff runs on 98 but not 95, but WHY? < 1254470100 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the VESA driver is, well, slow < 1254470113 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Of course I'm using the virtualization extensions < 1254470120 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VMs are worthlessly slow without them < 1254470134 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow is still better than nothing < 1254470137 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Win98 replaces explorer with IE. Most else is artificial. < 1254470151 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I don't *need* to run Win95; if I had to have it so slow I probably wouldn't bother < 1254470160 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know all the differences either, but Win98SE had a different driver model, no?
< 1254470172 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you running Win95, then? < 1254470181 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because 95 is fun. < 1254470200 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by itself? or do you have apps too? < 1254470203 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite modern - can run an impressive amount of Windows software - and uses the same basic GUI paradigm as in the ever-popular XP - and yet it's really simple. < 1254470233 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: It's 95/OSR1 < 1254470241 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comes on a CD and bundles IE 3 < 1254470244 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember and used it < 1254470255 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I upgraded IE from 3.0 to 3.02 to get a new DLL file for Opera 10 < 1254470268 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, my copy was an "upgrade", came with two floppies for Win 3.0 and like 16 more 1.68 MB overformatted floppies for Win95 itself (pre-OSR2.5) < 1254470268 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, this song is not how my nostalgic memory remembers it, but it has to be the right song < 1254470279 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software I'm using: Microsoft IntelliPoint 3.something (for MS mice, but it makes the mouse wheel work) < 1254470283 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mIRC < 1254470283 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very surprised Opera 10 works < 1254470285 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera 10 < 1254470289 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old WinZip < 1254470295 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I was kinda pissed when a lot of people dropped support for Win9x fairly recently < 1254470298 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WinZip 6.2 < 1254470300 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :circa like 1996 < 1254470307 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Firefox, Pelles C, soon Cygwin, etc.) < 1254470308 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: codewise 9x is a bitch. < 1254470321 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just glad that the Opera and mIRC devs are crazy. < 1254470321 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than DOS? doubt it ;-) < 1254470329 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With DOS you just poke the hardware. < 1254470335 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, I like DOS ;-) < 1254470338 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 9x you poke the hardware through a buggy and fucked-up additional layer. < 1254470354 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the wheel in DOS too (CuteMouse) < 1254470363 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera 10 is stunning for the OS, though; it can render modern pages in seconds < 1254470373 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very lucky that it works there < 1254470377 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1254470397 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still an officially supported platform, and they have knowledge-base articles about it for fixing problems as recently as opera 9 < 1254470399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1254470400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1254470401 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(circa 2006 or something) < 1254470409 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining that you have to install winsock2 < 1254470410 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kudos to them < 1254470415 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some crazy people must be using opera on windows 95 < 1254470418 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, apart from me < 1254470429 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1254470442 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, even some things (e.g. VirtualBox since 1.52 or so) don't even run on Win2k !! < 1254470446 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta wonder if the execs have got word of that... don't think they'd be so fond of spending so many resources for that 0.0001% :-) < 1254470448 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so getting Win9x compatibility is even harder! < 1254470467 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I developed Windows software I'd never think about supporting 9x, just for my sanity < 1254470487 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're too young ... if you grew up with it, it might be different (nostalgia, experience, etc.) < 1254470490 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care if support is dropped; this is a fun historical curiosity and something to put on less beefy machines, not a hyper-duper-workstation-2009 < 1254470495 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can always use old versions < 1254470514 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Hey, I grew up with 3.11. < 1254470520 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win9x is limited in max. RAM anyways, and SATA drives are either hard or impossible to get working, so it's definitely not for new machines < 1254470532 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs patches just to run newer Firefox or Doom 3 or whatever ... < 1254470536 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(98 was out in the year I got a computer, so it and 95 must have been too expensive :-P) < 1254470545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.11 with win32s is the one that's a bit hard to find support for nowadays. < 1254470557 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing runs on Win32s, I looked (a year or so ago) ;-) < 1254470564 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: limited in max ram? isn't it just to like 2GiB < 1254470568 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to 32-bit without PAE < 1254470575 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call that a huge limitation because, you know, it's 95 < 1254470577 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GB, I think < 1254470586 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running a smoooooooooooooooooooth workstation here with 64MiB of virtual ram < 1254470594 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think it's swapped once :P < 1254470595 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one guy uses the other gig of his RAM for a big RAM drive ;-) < 1254470611 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put the swap file on that RAM drive. < 1254470616 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bazam, extra, slightly slower RAM! < 1254470630 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that, I forget the details < 1254470650 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually I'm not sure if any (most?) MS OSes even support PAE besides the server versions (maybe) < 1254470664 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can actually use disks as big as you want with 95; iirc 64GB was claimed as the limit but apparently 160GB and the like work just fine < 1254470677 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :137 GB without some fix, I think < 1254470685 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How limiting. < 1254470694 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Win98 had a bug where it would crash if you left it running for like 48 days < 1254470703 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously no one ever did, heh) < 1254470704 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 95 has that too. < 1254470708 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :47.7 or something < 1254470716 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if suspend/resume counts, or hibernate/resume < 1254470727 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so then it could be semi-relevant on a laptop. < 1254470727 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides servers, I doubt if anybody would want to < 1254470734 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again Windows crashes more frequently than that anyway. < 1254470744 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if Win9x supports ACPI < 1254470747 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only APM, probably < 1254470756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :49.7 days. < 1254470756 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a plus, though, 95 boots to desktop in, oh, 15 seconds? < 1254470761 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 20 seconds. < 1254470761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 2^32 milliseconds, if you prefer. < 1254470771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^32/1000/60/60/24 < 1254470771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :49.71026962962962962962 < 1254470779 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's very fast < 1254470783 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if it wants to ScanDisk because you crashed, which is when boot time matters most, it takes about a minute or so. < 1254470791 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is irritating, as it refuses to let you skip it. < 1254470791 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP was allegedly designed to boot to GUI in 30 secs. (but that doesn't count responsiveness) < 1254470801 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vista is a lot more responsive quicker < 1254470813 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(allegedly, hard to compare when my XP machine is single core and this one is dual) < 1254470815 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GUI of 95 is very well polished < 1254470832 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's more focused than Mac OS, apart from the settings dialogs, which are a bit sprawling. < 1254470834 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's the price you pay for FAT vs. NTFS < 1254470836 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Classic Mac OS) < 1254470876 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used classic Mac OS < 1254470890 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, uninstaller wants me to reboot :P < 1254470899 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1254471000 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254471004 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That win95 pinball works on win32s, they say. And I do remember having some programs that required win32s. < 1254471025 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, I think I'm going to have to write a little program that runs in the background and, if you click in the bottom-left corner, opens the start menu. < 1254471040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, there's a whole list of win32s-compatible programs: http://www.i24.com/en/win32s/tips/w32slist.htm < 1254471044 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 and XP do it, even though the button seems to stop before then; it's so annoying to see a corner being used without Fitt's Law. < 1254471047 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid, stupid, stupid. < 1254471072 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be easy to get all mouse clicks in a certain position, right? No permissions or anything to deal with. < 1254471095 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean it's hard to find freeware Win32s apps anymore < 1254471112 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenWatcom still supports all that stuff, though (ironically) < 1254471160 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One option for Windows 95's sharp GUI + less horrifically broken internals is Windows NT 4.0, which is... just that. < 1254471160 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen that list, not huge, most of that is hard to find, barely works, or ain't free < 1254471177 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT kernel running the Windows 95 shell. < 1254471180 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win NT 4.0 needs higher requirements and only goes up to DX3 < 1254471192 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no LFNs for DOS apps (without TSR / DLL combo) < 1254471202 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That DX3 thing is an issue, but higher system requirements is kinda irrelevant; they're all rock-bottom. < 1254471213 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how many DOS apps actually use LFNs? < 1254471217 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite width buttons! < 1254471222 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant now but not then < 1254471226 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many? all DJGPPv2 apps! < 1254471230 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I'm talking now. :P < 1254471240 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously now < 1254471245 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how many are there of those? 3? < 1254471247 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254471254 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several hundred < 1254471264 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly unix stuff, though, yah? < 1254471266 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a lot of FreeDOS' 16-bit stuff supports LFNs < 1254471268 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254471283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DJGPP was pretty popular among hobbyist-freeware-developery people. < 1254471288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with being, you know, free. < 1254471296 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free and good (POSIX, GCC, etc.) < 1254471296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first C compiler, I think. < 1254471315 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :current DJGPP + GCC beats OpenWatcom hands down < 1254471315 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, some bullshit I can't delete. < 1254471330 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Into the regedit! < 1254471345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course all the "real" coders had a copy of Watcom with a bit shady background. < 1254471367 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of shady backgrounds, I wonder if I can get Microsoft to sue me for pirating this 95. < 1254471375 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC wasn't as good until the ECGS merger (1999), then it really took off < 1254471377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using dos4gw instead of cwsdpmi is the true mark of a professional. < 1254471383 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, throw rocks in Bill's window with "I PIRATED 95" etched into them. < 1254471399 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dos4gw is desperately buggy < 1254471405 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and big and bloated, but it mostly works < 1254471428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: MURDER doesn't have a STATUTE of LIMITATIONS; I'm sure they'd sue you. < 1254471430 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doom used Watcom/DOS4GW but Quake used DJGPPv2 < 1254471430 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a legal copy of Win98 >.>
< 1254471442 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win98! It's like 95 but with IE craptergration! < 1254471451 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, even if they did, I could just send you like my 18-floppy copy (heh) and they'd probably shut up < 1254471453 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98SE! It's like 98 except it's totally new! < 1254471470 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seriously prefers FreeDOS over Win9x
< 1254471481 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I'm actually considering reinstalling from the floppy copy (don't copy that floppy); it doesn't force you to install IE, you see. < 1254471484 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the 95 disk have the Microsoft Comic Chat or wahtever it's called? < 1254471493 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: not sure. I can look if you want. < 1254471514 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dare I ask, but what host OS are you running Win95 on? < 1254471516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that the licenses don't really expire, I think I have a "legal" copy of win95 (and possibly some out of {3.11, 3.1, 3.0, 1.02} too, I don't quite remember where those came from) too. < 1254471516 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what VM? < 1254471518 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is curious, sure
< 1254471522 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: VirtualBox. < 1254471533 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox is good (although not as much with 16-bit code) < 1254471533 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what Windows 1.02 was like
< 1254471538 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap :-) < 1254471543 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host OS is Ubuntu 9.10 alpha6. < 1254471547 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never used it but has seen the pics, ugh
< 1254471550 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running on a late-2006 iMac. < 1254471554 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.10 beta was released recently < 1254471557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, EGA graphics and everything. < 1254471562 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iMac? surprising < 1254471564 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: That'll just come in the updates. < 1254471580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Win1 did support windowing! Though not overlapping windows, obviously, just split-screening. < 1254471582 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox fullscreen doesn't change the host resolution in Windows, boo < 1254471587 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had this iMac since 2006 and OS X only started to annoy me recently. < 1254471599 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 actually still has Program Manager! < 1254471607 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know ... not exactly useful IMHO < 1254471611 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucks. < 1254471628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Well, you could also minimize programs, so it makes some sense. Maybe. A bit. < 1254471662 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I just tried progman in XP.. < 1254471677 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO TODAY?" -- \Sampler\Videos\200bttrf < 1254471683 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Start" < 1254471685 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*click* < 1254471690 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA 3D SPIN < 1254471692 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so 1995. < 1254471694 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, it didn't complain about it not existing, but nothing's starting < 1254471725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Windows1.0.png is a very representable screenshot of Windows 1; that's what it looked like. < 1254471734 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Weezer video on the 95 CD? Microsoft tricked me into downloading a Weezer video. < 1254471740 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you, Microsoft! < 1254471758 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weezer? < 1254471763 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The green bar at the bottom edge gets icons for minimized programs. < 1254471764 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some band. < 1254471765 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just being silly. < 1254471782 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: can't find comic chat. < 1254471794 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything with chat? I don't remember the exact name < 1254471801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I seem to remember that 1.0 was just monochrome, and the 1.02 update got us EGA colors, but I guess it's also possible we just used 1.0 with the monochrome Hercules card and the 1.02 was on another computer with EGA graphics. < 1254471801 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a telephone-calling application. < 1254471804 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Comic Chat < 1254471818 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winfile! < 1254471820 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yeah! < 1254471824 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Managing files 'n shit! < 1254471832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Comic Chat was released with the full downloads of Internet Explorer 3, 4, and 5, as well as in the Windows 98 and Windows 2000 distributions." < 1254471845 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just installed the Typical 3.02; thank god not the Full. < 1254471859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, don't you want all the bells and whistles? < 1254471891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it come with NetMeeting? < 1254471908 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254471930 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers playing with NetMeeting
< 1254471937 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254471947 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I really need to remember that opening DOS apps breaks this thing. < 1254471961 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they rename Comic Chat to "Microsoft Chat"? < 1254471983 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaks what? < 1254471990 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Windows. < 1254472002 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it "break"? < 1254472003 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes the display go all funny and I have to hard-reset it. < 1254472011 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you try to run? < 1254472011 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft Comic Chat installed a custom font, Microsoft Comic Sans, that users could use in other applications and documents." < 1254472021 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL COMIC CHAt < 1254472021 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: it happens with any DOS thingy. < 1254472024 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the wfw3.11 "WinPopup" messaging. It's like IM, except not quite. < 1254472027 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even text apps? < 1254472035 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254472038 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I have. < 1254472038 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a bad setting in your .PIF < 1254472044 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which pif? < 1254472052 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, dosprmpt.pif perhaps < 1254472065 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, "There is also a port to linux with an extended feature called LinPopUp, which allows adding Linux computers to the set. Linpopup is an X Window graphical port of Winpopup, and a package for Debian linux. It runs over Samba. Linpopup does not have to run all the time, can run minimized, and its messages are encrypted with a strong cypher." That's among the most useless things I can imagine. < 1254472074 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: and how would I fix it? :P < 1254472084 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pifedit < 1254472092 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link. < 1254472098 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's there already < 1254472104 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not, I just tried. :P < 1254472109 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be < 1254472112 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On 95? < 1254472115 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g eat < 1254472116 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254472133 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start->Run "pifedit C:\windows\dosprmpt.pif". < 1254472133 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1254472137 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work, IIRC < 1254472138 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the quotes. < 1254472155 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot find the file pifedit or one of its components. < 1254472186 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a VirtualBox bug < 1254472190 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, no. < 1254472193 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just can't find the file. < 1254472195 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the error it gives. :P < 1254472199 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that, the screen mess-up thingy < 1254472203 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254472207 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked earlier, though < 1254472210 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just stopped woorking. < 1254472211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To correct this problem, you must modify either dosprmpt.pif, command.pif or 4dos.pif, whichever is present in your Windows directory. < 1254472211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Windows 3.1 and NT you must use pifedit.exe to modify them. In Windows 95 you can press ALT+ENTER on the PIF files or on command.com/4dos.com directly." < 1254472212 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*working < 1254472215 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1254472223 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using the VGA driver then < 1254472224 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1254472228 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the VESA driver broke something < 1254472240 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well I can't use anything that runs in a dos prompt. < 1254472241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that was just for removing the startup path, maybe not for twiddling the actual pif file contents. < 1254472243 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1254472273 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt+enter = properties. < 1254472278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I remember that much. < 1254472290 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :font is set to 6x12 < 1254472293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a special properties dialog for pif files? There might even have been. < 1254472299 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory is auto/not protected; auto; auto; uses hma; auto < 1254472303 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not configured for expanded memory < 1254472314 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen is window; default; display toolbar; restore settings on startup; < 1254472316 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast rom emulation; < 1254472318 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic memory allocation < 1254472338 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misc is allow screensaver; no quickedit or exclusive mode; don't always suspend; warn if still active; medium idle sensitivity; fast pasting; all windows shortcut keys < 1254472353 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program is MS-DOS Prompt; C:\WINDOWS\command.com; no shortcut key; run in normal window; close on exit < 1254472356 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn off "window" and use full-screen if possible < 1254472363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the whole EMS/XMS mess was also hilarious. < 1254472367 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try, but that's kind of annoying. < 1254472369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must lunch. < 1254472399 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: normal window/maximized/mninimized < 1254472400 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no full screen < 1254472404 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*minimized < 1254472407 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254472408 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in screen < 1254472411 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ticks full-screen
< 1254472419 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EMS predates XMS < 1254472426 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit.com < 1254472520 0 :ehird95_!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254472520 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254472524 0 :ehird95_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird95 < 1254472538 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the part where it crashed < 1254472554 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most didn't ... hence why NT is now prevalent ;-) < 1254472575 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that reddit.com was meant to go in opera < 1254472581 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the location bar, split out < 1254472582 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1254472582 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was wondering
< 1254472587 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each pixel had hundreds of pixels around it on my screen < 1254472592 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had the wrong colour < 1254472596 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was sort of like a weird zooming-in < 1254472601 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i couldn't get it to change < 1254472607 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it shows that only the graphics are effing up < 1254472618 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox isn't very stable in some ways < 1254472626 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its DOS compatibility is weaker than other VMs < 1254472644 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do suggest something better that runs on linux :) < 1254472667 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, haven't really tried too much on Linux < 1254472673 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Bochs, but it'll probably be loads slower < 1254472682 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's been improved a lot lately < 1254472687 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bochs is possibly the slowest thing that claims to emulate an x86 < 1254472694 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody really knows, though; it's never performed any instructions < 1254472704 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, its configuration format is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge pain) < 1254472717 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I also dislike the config crapola < 1254472731 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs flash player 7
< 1254472739 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's windows 95 without rick rolling. < 1254472743 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rickrolling < 1254472760 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're just running Win95 for laughs? < 1254472776 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. i am kinda tempted to roll on over to ebay and purchase like an X20 or something < 1254472784 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really old tiny thinkpad and put win95 on it :P < 1254472796 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray, flash 7 works < 1254472803 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, if you want something like that, get a netbook and run DOSEMU or WINE < 1254472807 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9 didn't; I don't remember if I tried 8) < 1254472813 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: netbooks are shoddy pieces of crap :( < 1254472822 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they lack retro hardware... in its place bad hardware < 1254472822 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so is a used laptop :-P < 1254472827 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly! < 1254472832 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkpads are beautiful sculptures of hardware. < 1254472839 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the used laptop actually works, then yes, good < 1254472849 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but new OSes and old hardware aren't friends (and vice versa) < 1254472854 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 is a new OS?! < 1254472857 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254472870 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then what's the conflict with putting 95 on an old thinkpad, that sounds logical to me :P < 1254472886 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine if you want to struggle with that, but old hardware often dies < 1254472906 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1254472910 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1254472911 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bought a Lynx II (made in 1991) in 2004 or so, it only lasted a year, maybe two
< 1254472923 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are original model thinkpads still working; many of them < 1254472929 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkpads are ridiculously sturdy < 1254472934 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just not airtight :-/ < 1254472938 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know < 1254472945 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying that a lot of people get second-hand thinkpads < 1254472947 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love retro (more than modern, too), but it's not flawless < 1254472954 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a rule they don't really break < 1254472958 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without active breakingness < 1254472982 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides < 1254472982 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X20 < 1254472985 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dinky is that?! :P < 1254472995 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(beefy specs for a 95 machine, too...) < 1254473065 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS still doesn't have good (or any, really) drivers for sound, esp. non-SB < 1254473088 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1254473092 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure the x20 can talk soundblaster < 1254473093 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1254473097 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the processor looks okay, RAM could be better (or worse even) < 1254473101 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: you forgot Gravis :-) < 1254473107 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC97 ain't the best < 1254473115 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 is kinda impossible on win95 < 1254473118 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for self-evident reasons < 1254473129 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1254473133 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problems loading this youtube page < 1254473151 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think YouTube upgraded to Flash 9 not too long ago (to many peoples' chagrin) < 1254473172 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be wrong on the version number, but they still aren't "good enough" to FOSS codecs, etc. < 1254473186 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although Google did buy some codec developer recently, maybe they'll change) < 1254473207 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of stuff uses Flash, perhaps too much (considering its transitory nature) < 1254473278 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even my Dad's Mac OS X (10.3.9) laptop's Flash was "too old" to watch some stuff < 1254473301 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube recommended me to upgrade to flash 10 when i had 9 or 8, i forget which < 1254473301 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1254473307 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't force it < 1254473310 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the flash itself didn't work) < 1254473324 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash is a pain to many people < 1254473570 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254473636 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, VMware is reported to work well < 1254473642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1254473644 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never bothered trying it < 1254473651 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1254473669 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo #nethack, yay ##crawl ;-) < 1254473682 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254473709 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he's in #nethack) < 1254473721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: and why not? < 1254473722 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a NetHack person, kind of
< 1254473725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do play Crawl a bit too, though < 1254473737 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds NetHack too hard, too confusing
< 1254473749 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very steep learning curve < 1254473761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl's decent as a wargame, but it plays rather differently from NetHack < 1254473769 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254473771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the two are more or less independent in the strategies needed < 1254473779 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254473797 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl feels more arcade-like but really needs fairly good strategy < 1254473806 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of experience ;-) < 1254473847 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no selling stuff, no need to run to altar to id stuff < 1254473864 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi, i'm using windows 95. < 1254473864 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... if Windows 95 Plus! introduced IE 1.0, how does ehird95 have 3.0? < 1254473881 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: 95 plus! introduced ie 1.0? WTF < 1254473883 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're on crack < 1254473887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: great < 1254473889 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie dates back to win3 days :P < 1254473893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually liked Win95 at the time < 1254473902 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's actually pretty good! < 1254473903 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This was the first version of Plus! and included Space Cadet Pinball, the Internet Jumpstart Kit (which was the introduction of Internet Explorer 1.0)" < 1254473905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, when XP came out I preferred it to XP < 1254473912 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Plus!#Microsoft_Plus.21_for_Windows_95 < 1254473921 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Wiki's wrong? < 1254473927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still do except it isn't compatible with anything < 1254473938 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my favourite part is the GUI; Explorer and its ilk < 1254473942 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's sort of... crisp < 1254473947 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like every pixel was accounted for < 1254473965 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't say nothing supports it! < 1254473970 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera 10 runs on it almost entirely perfectly < 1254473971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, even nowadays I style XP to look like that < 1254473977 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't < 1254473983 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 95's explorer had different menus for instance < 1254473987 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only big deal with Win95 was the 32-bit API, the DOS integration, and Plug 'n Play < 1254473991 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't think you can make xp open one window for every app < 1254474004 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, I'm talking to you with the latest version of mIRC, while browsing the regular web on regular settings using Opera 10 < 1254474009 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's crusing < 1254474011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254474017 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: don't like Opera's IRC? < 1254474020 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Opera 10 is the latest Opera) < 1254474024 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I used it, but "eh" < 1254474028 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicer to have it as a separate program. < 1254474031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's the reason I still compile new opera apps against Windows 3.1? < 1254474033 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seperate < 1254474039 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun trivia: mIRC was originally freeware!! < 1254474041 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: new opera apps? < 1254474042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, in theory later versions of windows can still emulate it < 1254474044 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Still is :P < 1254474046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... new windows apps < 1254474051 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody actually registers it, do they? < 1254474052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if and when I write one, which is rare < 1254474058 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*separate < 1254474062 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, opera 10 really does work perfectly with only a few glitches < 1254474065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exception's if they're 32-bit, in which case I compile against Windows 95 < 1254474066 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess not perfectly then < 1254474073 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1254474073 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: not with Opera, Chatzilla, ERC, etc. ;-) < 1254474077 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails to report file sizes and image sizes < 1254474078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Windows XP broke a lot of the compatibility stuff < 1254474079 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only thing I've found < 1254474092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that if I use Windows 1 features that were deprecated in 3.1, I shouldn't really expect them to work in XP < 1254474092 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only have 64MiB of RAM in this VM! < 1254474096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although they work fine in 95!) < 1254474105 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit is dead in AMD64 < 1254474127 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so once Windows requires (or "recommends") > 3 GB of RAM for actual use, 32-bit is DOA < 1254474138 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I had to skip past a few spam ad surveys on a shady windows-drivers site to get them to give me an old version of the Microsoft IntelliPoint drivers; I don't have a Microsoft mouse, but this enables the scroll-wheel... < 1254474148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254474153 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I needed an older version so it didn't depend on a newer IE and also to have less crap on my system) < 1254474156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what driver EULAs are like? < 1254474161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may still have one of those on CD < 1254474164 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I could install the newer IE, but *eh*) < 1254474178 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At some point I might reinstall by pirating the floppies instead; that way, IE won't be mandatory.) < 1254474185 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Docking Station should work on Win95 < 1254474194 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Link me up and I'll try. < 1254474197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once created a web page which, if opened in IE 4, would cause Windows 95 or 98 to crash hard < 1254474199 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics will probably be too slow to be usable, though. < 1254474202 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DamnSmallLinux can run in 32 MB of RAM < 1254474206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't actually put it on the web, though < 1254474210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and later versions of IE fixed the bug < 1254474212 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh, what's that file:// url or whatever? < 1254474220 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :con/con right? < 1254474221 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: 95 can run with 4MiB and decently with like 16 < 1254474227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, drive:\con\con < 1254474232 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but it ain't free :-( < 1254474234 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\con\con < 1254474234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, c:\con\con < 1254474240 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: sure is < 1254474241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a different method, though < 1254474245 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 4 MB might be a bit optimistic ... swapping would be slooooooowwwwwwww) < 1254474246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was hilarious on locked-down computers < 1254474247 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it for free < 1254474250 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I broke the law < 1254474251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it ended up killing Explorer < 1254474258 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well guys, I'm about to try concon < 1254474261 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICE KNOWING YOU < 1254474264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning: you couldn't do anything, you couldn't log out, etc < 1254474279 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gamewaredevelopment.co.uk/downloads_more.php?id=22_0_8_0_M13 < 1254474281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95 just stopped responding to pings < 1254474302 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why he even wanted to test that ("con/con") is beyond me < 1254474309 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What caused that? < 1254474316 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254474321 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what caused what? < 1254474328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to refer to c:\con\con < 1254474330 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :con\con to have the effect that it did < 1254474334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a weird bug in Windows' legacy support < 1254474339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, DOS has a few special filenames < 1254474342 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"con" is a reserved word in DOS/Win9x < 1254474347 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254474349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, when used with any extensoin, send the file to a device < 1254474350 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1254474350 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :con, aux, prn < 1254474360 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prn == lpt1, I think) < 1254474363 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prn? Windows recognizes.. < 1254474366 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I'm using an overclocker's tool to keep my system fans running low and use less power < 1254474368 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry) < 1254474371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you write to prn.exe, instead it'll go to the printer < 1254474376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: you're underclocking? < 1254474377 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy con myfile.txt < 1254474378 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah blah < 1254474381 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Z (saves) < 1254474394 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor man's editor ;-) < 1254474428 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ever used QBasic? < 1254474435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists in UNIX too, cat > myfile.txt < 1254474439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ^D to save < 1254474442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, he has < 1254474447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird and I were discussing QBasic a while ago < 1254474449 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nope; Windows 95 doesn't run hlt on idle cycles by default, so it always uses the CPU at near-100%. This makes the cooling system work more and uses more power. I'm using a tool called Rain, designed to cool down the system by hogging all the idle cycles with hlt and thus allow more overclocking, to make my system fans less noisy and use less power. < 1254474455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have a legit copy of it on this computer < 1254474476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: what interrupts the system out of the hlts? < 1254474478 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This particular Rain installation is "Optimized for Intel Pentium Pro"; I had a wide range of selection... among ancient processors. < 1254474487 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it just does a busyloop < 1254474498 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, http://www.gamewaredevelopment.co.uk/downloads_more.php?id=22_0_8_0_M13 is the link, but the sysreqs say that it needs IE 4 for networking capabilities < 1254474508 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hlt" is the same as "jmp $" but is interrupted by ... an interrupt! ;-) < 1254474517 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Probably for Winsock 2 or something < 1254474519 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I have < 1254474532 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w i n s i t e . c o m < 1254474532 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1995 - 2009 < 1254474532 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CICA Windows FTP archives < 1254474532 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1991 - 1994 < 1254474537 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, won't be downloading it from there any time soon. < 1254474559 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1254474570 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, winsock? < 1254474575 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS' FTP site has tons of old stuff < 1254474578 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, Creatures Docking Station < 1254474583 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See Sgeo's link. < 1254474585 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winsite.com has apparently died. < 1254474593 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that thing huge? < 1254474608 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not huge enough for a WP article. < 1254474623 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP? < 1254474627 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia. < 1254474631 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254474632 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: care to link me a working link? < 1254474667 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for one < 1254474670 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me ask in Sine < 1254474681 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, all this for Docking Station? < 1254474685 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whatever that is) < 1254474697 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this? < 1254474700 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clicked a few links. < 1254474703 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked for a working link. < 1254474712 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You greatly overestimate how much work I have, so far, put into this endeavour. < 1254474726 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what endeavour? what is the goal? < 1254474743 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if Docking Station works. < 1254474747 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your explanation got cut off < 1254474754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1254474758 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you stopped talking before you explained why it fails if you refer to con or whatever as a directory :-P < 1254474763 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to topic derailing < 1254474766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's just a bug < 1254474769 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found a link, hold on < 1254474781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the case of someone using con as a directory was implemented at all < 1254474783 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from a Creatures fansite though < 1254474783 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatures.treesprite.com/dockingstation_195.exe < 1254474785 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"con" is a reserved word < 1254474786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fact you get UB there isn't surprising < 1254474794 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: we've established that. < 1254474795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: yes, I've been explaining what it was reserved for < 1254474804 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :con == console < 1254474805 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know the story, I just meant for Sgeo__ < 1254474811 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, Rugxulo. < 1254474816 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1254474821 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other links on http://creatures.treesprite.com/Upgrades5.html#A don't work < 1254474832 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 minutes to download! < 1254474841 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 30 MB, that's why I was skeptical < 1254474846 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got anything with a link faster than a T...0? :-P < 1254474852 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: 30MB downloads in like a minute on my connection < 1254474852 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(esp. since on company sells a service that slims Win98 down to like 8 MB install) < 1254474859 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a non-retarded server, which we don't have in this new link < 1254474864 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: it's a game < 1254474868 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't know if you had fast internet or not
< 1254474870 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphical content, sounds... are big < 1254474880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Messenger Service is no longer supported from Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008." Wahh, I want my pop-up spam. :/ < 1254474882 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should've used better compression < 1254474895 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8Mb/s isn't exactly "fast", what with Scandinavia and bordering areas having 50Mb/s as commonplace stuff < 1254474907 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F U, Fileplanet, for wanting me to register < 1254474910 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything is fast compared to dialup < 1254474913 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: yes, let's just wave the magical wand and get every file under 1MB < 1254474927 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Fileplanet is shit, you have to wait in a queue to download your file < 1254474928 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but typically people are lazy and use horrible compression < 1254474928 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes hours < 1254474943 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.4%; I guess this download might be fast enough. < 1254474957 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" MB (K\� bytes)" --Opera, attempting to tell me how fast it's downloading < 1254474968 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *entirely* perfect on 95... < 1254474977 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(minimal Unicode, if any ...) < 1254474984 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,17080-order,1-page,1-c,alldownloads/description.html < 1254475014 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, http://www.gamewaredevelopment.co.uk/ds/ds_more.php?id=552_0_16_0_C < 1254475025 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a glorified Tamagotchi < 1254475038 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NanoPet or whatever < 1254475180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : MB seems a pretty fast speed < 1254475233 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: the Creatures series is nothing like either of those < 1254475252 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your problem? you've been interestingly critical of it since the first link... < 1254475285 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the block represents the number bigger than infinity. < 1254475335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: oh, to me it's a lightning bolt < 1254475342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can't see it though < 1254475365 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not intentionally ... just sounds like a lot of trouble for little gain < 1254475377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, it stops being a lightning bolt if I copy-and-paste it elsewhere, and turns into a control-L < 1254475393 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, as fast as lightning < 1254475407 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: it's clicking a few links, plus the game is amusing for a few minutes < 1254475414 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no more pointless than any "let's see if this works" < 1254475449 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what people used for win 95 development... gotta fix that fitt's law violation...
< 1254475454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's control-L for controlled Lightning. < 1254475463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it's a [0012] except in a box. < 1254475467 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watcom and MSVC, presumably < 1254475473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked like that when I copied-and-pasted it elsewhere < 1254475478 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DJGPP, too < 1254475485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it's a lightning bolt under Qt, but a box containing [0012] under GTK < 1254475490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, DJGPP! < 1254475504 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DJGPP existed well before Cygwin (and subsequently MinGW) < 1254475508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that Borland thing. < 1254475513 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see [0000] < 1254475516 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not [0012] < 1254475518 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, forgot Borland < 1254475533 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BC++ 55 is free < 1254475542 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digital Mars is too < 1254475543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have a copy of Borland C++ 4 < 1254475551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't really work properly on Windows XP < 1254475556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it didn't really work properly on Windows 95 < 1254475562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 4.5 too somewhere. < 1254475564 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1254475571 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid reason to learn Python: I didn't realize that there were free C/C++ compilers < 1254475572 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DJGPP for pure-Win32 development sounds misguided. < 1254475573 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is curious
< 1254475581 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also why I first started to learn Java < 1254475591 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I meant for DOS/DPMI apps (although with third-party RSXNT/DJ you could do Win32) < 1254475592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full 4.5 version came with some pc magazine. < 1254475613 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right; I'm looking to do Win32. It's gotta be simple to catch all mouseclicks in one pixel of the screen. < 1254475616 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Python ain't so bad, it's fans LOVE it < 1254475630 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenWatcom supports Win32 also (as host or target) < 1254475636 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, I like Python, but the reason I became interested in it in the first place... < 1254475637 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just have to make an always-on-top, above-taskbar borderless window whose only pixel is transparent, then catch clicks on that. < 1254475641 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd work, I think. < 1254475642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Studio 6 still works on 95, I think; at least on 98 it does. < 1254475654 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you can actually do Win32 stuff in assembly too (see FASMW) < 1254475664 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's just a matter of calling whatever function brings up the start menu. < 1254475679 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why did Borland 4 have issues? < 1254475687 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it do exactly? < 1254475701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: A true Windows developer would do that by synthesizing a mouse click event that clicks around the start button. < 1254475741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: most commonly, it would hang in the middle of compilation for no good reason < 1254475741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you'd have to change bits of things around at random until it didn't < 1254475741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, linking tended to fail on 32-bit programs < 1254475751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and of course there's always LCC-win32. That was reasonably popular too. < 1254475753 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a DOS or Windows program? < 1254475757 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, well, that'll fail if you resize the task bar to be invisible with hacks. :P < 1254475757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I actually did that < 1254475759 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCC-win32 I've used < 1254475761 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1254475762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, simulate mouse clicks and keypresses < 1254475765 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I couldn't code C < 1254475765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to do things < 1254475770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the easiest way, which is saying something < 1254475771 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it any good? < 1254475790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: lcc-win32 is one of the most common talking points over on comp.lang.c < 1254475792 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll call this sanity-restoring program Fitt. I mean, it's like Dr. Watson. < 1254475803 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's only because the developer is prolific < 1254475808 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fitt sits there, waiting for your click, intercepts it, and makes good things happen! < 1254475808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's relatively good, but has some things which are nonstandard for no good reason at all < 1254475816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has various misfeatues < 1254475818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: well, yes < 1254475828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives you a good idea of what's going on, though < 1254475844 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lcc-win32 was quite easy to install, iirc < 1254475845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the impression I got was that the development of lcc-win32 was driven by the author's commercial customers < 1254475847 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suggests OpenWatcom, no need of stinkin' MSVCRT.DLL that most compilers (ahem, MinGW) require
< 1254475853 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a click-click-click affair, and I believe it has an editor built-in < 1254475858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of who ask for stupid things, and actually get them because they're paying < 1254475860 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: is OpenWatcom free or will I have to pirate it? < 1254475865 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free < 1254475867 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1254475868 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open source < 1254475871 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.openwatcom.org < 1254475887 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the generated executables lean 'n mean or bloated in any way? < 1254475889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: Wikipedia says it's Fitts' law, not Fitt's law < 1254475893 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall something about watcom+bloated being said earlier < 1254475893 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 75 MB, but that's with all hosts and targets < 1254475893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the person was called Fitts < 1254475896 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oops < 1254475897 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bloated, no < 1254475900 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll call it Fitts, then < 1254475910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I saw a very recent example of registering a OCX control by sending a mouse click to start button (it even picked up the absolute screen size to position it "correctly" -- of course fails if the user moves the task bar), then "r" and "regsvr32 ..." and "return" keypress events. < 1254475911 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not as small as MinGW only because it (thankfully) rejects the buggy MSVCRT.DLL < 1254475923 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like the idea of having Fitts himself sit inside my computer, intercepting clicks to make them do the Right Thing. < 1254475923 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still smaller than DJGPP, though (leaner library) < 1254475928 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no POSIX, though < 1254475942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait, it actually went and simulated the keypresses for Start | Run...? < 1254475955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous on about 3 levels < 1254475969 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it, though+ < 1254475971 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I don't think I even have msvcrt.dll < 1254475973 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saw a nice sample Win32 GUI app in < 1k
< 1254475976 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1254475977 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :-) < 1254475979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the amusing thing, of course, is that the WinExec API call, which is roughly equivalent to system() in Unix, has been deprecated) < 1254475992 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SpawnProcess, no? < 1254476014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably added a replacement < 1254476015 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe it's just an example? < 1254476016 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS also deprecated tmpnam etc. I think < 1254476019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of that one, it must be newer than my time < 1254476024 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.forest.impress.co.jp/article/1999/11/16/lcc_win32.gif lcc-win32 looks happily painless; type 'n click compile 'n done. < 1254476028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: but then, they deprecated snprintf < 1254476030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: It was in the internets, I don't remember the story aroudn it. < 1254476042 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people deprecate lots of stuff for no good reason < 1254476044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more amusingly, their replacement has an extra argument for the size of the buffer < 1254476060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if anyone's ever used it with buffer size != maximum characters to print + 1 < 1254476061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except as a test < 1254476086 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenWatcom has an IDE too < 1254476088 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We would also like to thank Perforce Software for providing us with a license to use their excellent source code management system" < 1254476094 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1254476107 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I want to use software made by people who think that (a) using Perforce is a good idea and (b) getting a license for Perforce for open source software is a good idea? < 1254476108 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus himself used to use it before he wrote Git < 1254476109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, spam fone calls < 1254476111 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1254476113 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used BitKeeper < 1254476120 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about 1,000,000,000,000x better < 1254476122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Perl that used to use perforce < 1254476124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they changed to git < 1254476131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember that there was some controversy (usenet- or otherwise) w.r.t. Jacob Navia, lcc-win32's developer. < 1254476137 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all, use whatever you like, but ... Watcom existed since a long time (late 80s) < 1254476138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a usenet controversy < 1254476140 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a bad idea to use bitkeeper for linux, but perforce has the added benefit of being really, terribly awfully bad < 1254476147 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, early 80s, but the 386 C/C++ is late 80s < 1254476165 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watcom's a classic, yes; but lcc-win32 is potentially simpler. < 1254476182 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any controversy offhand re: Navia, but I know he's a bit stubborn < 1254476188 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpler? I doubt it < 1254476207 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaand here comes docking station < 1254476221 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1254476224 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: http://www.forest.impress.co.jp/article/1999/11/16/lcc_win32.gif looks very simple to me, for getting the development done < 1254476228 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: it's just the installer :P < 1254476235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current lcc-win32 says: "Requirements: You need at least Windows 2000, the compiler and command line utiltities will work with older Windows operating systems without any trouble, but the IDE may make use of features not available in older systems and is therefor not supposed to run." < 1254476237 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCC-Win32 is only for non-commercial use, OpenWatcom is for anything (so Perforce is moot, IMHO) < 1254476247 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1254476247 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to sell this :P < 1254476252 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no surprise, those bastards < 1254476253 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: eh, lame shit < 1254476263 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: "Error 0 running command .\installblast.exe --temp" < 1254476265 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will try to extract manually < 1254476268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lcc-win32 is shareware, sort-of; it's free to use non-commercially, you can get a commercial licence by paying < 1254476269 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenWatcom runs on OS/2, Windows, Linux (beta), DOS :-) < 1254476279 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/runs/& natively/ < 1254476292 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright then, hook me up with an openwatcom installer link w/ IDE :P < 1254476295 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm teh laze < 1254476303 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sure it's good, I've just never used it and don't see any need for it < 1254476336 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: okay, extracting the installer < 1254476344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, snprintf_s no longer exists, that makes sense < 1254476352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, sprintf_s strikes me as the most ridiculous function I've ever seen < 1254476354 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/openwatcom/open-watcom-c-win32-1.8.exe < 1254476358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically snprintf but worse < 1254476372 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS is weird < 1254476379 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The INSTALLBLAST.EXE file is linked to missing export WININET.DLL:InternetAudodial." < 1254476386 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: guess i'd have to upgrade IE < 1254476394 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just use OW < 1254476398 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...?! < 1254476399 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1254476402 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about < 1254476404 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles itself, for heaven's sake < 1254476411 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bound to be "good enough" < 1254476411 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf i'm talking about docking station you doofus < 1254476420 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254476425 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254476427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it has a scary line suggesting that sprintf doesn't check that the format string is valid, whereas sprintf_s does < 1254476429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: Yes, but you can replace that with Open Watcom. It's "good enough". :p < 1254476429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous < 1254476433 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: or i could just fish out the WinInet.dll from IE 4's installer... < 1254476436 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, huh, so the sysreqs lied about what IE4 was needed for? < 1254476448 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE4 is needed for its internet functions. < 1254476452 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably. < 1254476456 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have IE4. < 1254476457 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is it needed for in the installer? < 1254476467 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To register an account or something, I guess. < 1254476501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... snprintf can be used to tell you the length of the buffer you need < 1254476506 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that watcom link is strangely slow < 1254476508 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is the exe? < 1254476510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, sprintf_s causes your program to crash if it's too small < 1254476519 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254476528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: 74M < 1254476533 0 :Rugxulo!n=user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254476631 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!seen mtve < 1254476638 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, didn't think that'd work < 1254476650 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow, the blue background of the openwatcom installer < 1254476651 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow ow ow my EYES < 1254476655 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254476703 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, installing into C:\WATCOM < 1254476758 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Setup needs to modify AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS." < 1254476772 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite worrying, considering both were obsolete by windows 95 < 1254476774 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just do it manually < 1254476783 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my autoexec is empty and i have no config.sys, so it can't hurt < 1254476786 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win95 = MS-DOS 7.0 + Win 4.0 < 1254476799 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still boots as DOS < 1254476803 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just more hidden (barely) < 1254476804 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :config.sys is useless, though, because everything has windows drivers :P < 1254476810 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at the time < 1254476814 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoexec is useless because, well, not much adds to the PATH I guess < 1254476815 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still supported DOS drivers < 1254476819 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: annoyances.org agrees with me < 1254476823 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's true < 1254476826 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rare is the device with only DOS drivers < 1254476836 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such a device is indeed deprecated, so to speak < 1254476837 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that rare, in 1995 at least < 1254476857 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we still have drivers in 2009 (UIDE) ;-) < 1254476893 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, autoexec.bat is called by the shell (command.com) < 1254476907 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. 4DOS is free now, you should grab it < 1254476921 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what autoexec is < 1254476922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeDOS exists < 1254476924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does DOSBox < 1254476927 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254476929 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously :-) < 1254476930 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally irrelevant < 1254476933 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you mention that < 1254476933 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254476936 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4DOS is a command shell for windows :P < 1254476938 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is a bit stubborn < 1254476942 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is < 1254476943 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1254476950 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4DOS works very well under Win9x < 1254476957 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1254476959 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally irrelevant @ ais523 < 1254476960 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4NT (or whatever it's called now) is for later versions < 1254476963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had some ndis2-drivers-only network card at some point. < 1254476963 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mentioning freedos and dosbox < 1254476963 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254476969 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1254476977 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the single-most annoying feature of windows 9x is that your mouse movement becomes choppy and keys are dropped if your CPU is being used a lot < 1254476978 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just trying to help you ;-) < 1254476984 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even rendering a web page does that to 95... < 1254476998 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vista loses keys too, so nothing's perfect < 1254477007 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, that's not true of all Windows OSes? < 1254477018 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably due to preemptive vs. cooperative < 1254477022 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tried to access the address http://www.jpsoft.com/, which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page. < 1254477034 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: works fine in XP, so probably in NT 4.0 up < 1254477040 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe starting in 2000, dunno < 1254477044 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4dos.zzl.org < 1254477048 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean really choppy < 1254477049 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, actually, it doesn't work fine in XP for me < 1254477052 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in start rendering a page, can't move the mouse < 1254477054 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1254477056 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for seconds < 1254477067 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a VM bug < 1254477073 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe it or not, VMs aren't perfect < 1254477080 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The address you have entered has not been activated. < 1254477098 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/user/4dos/ < 1254477140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads http://www.asktog.com/columns/022DesignedToGiveFitts.html
< 1254477145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with the question 3 bonus < 1254477154 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asktog is wonderful < 1254477165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a right-handed mouse, I find hitting the bottom-right corner of the screen really hard as the mouse keeps getting stuck against my hand < 1254477172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I can't actually move in that direction far enough < 1254477188 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fitts' law sort of assumes you're not putting your mouse on a cliff with your hand bent over backwards < 1254477197 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that's an exaggeration, but it concerns a mouse held reasonably, on a decent surface < 1254477203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I thought the answer "the pixel under the cursor" couldn't be given because you didn't know exactly where the cursor was < 1254477215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: I rest my wrist on the table when using a mouse < 1254477225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to move it in order to be able to move it a long distance down and right < 1254477228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's good for other directions < 1254477268 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: do I need 4dos800 or 4dos800patches? < 1254477275 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 4dos800.zip < 1254477289 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this is kind of pointless; I can't use the ms dos window, remember? < 1254477299 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops ;-) < 1254477323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: what goes wrong when you try? < 1254477340 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen goes insane, hard reset needed (probably a VirtualBox bug) < 1254477363 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only happens with vesa driver, not vga, iirc < 1254477373 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the vesa driver is a third-party thingamajic) < 1254477378 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thinigamajig < 1254477414 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone knows any vesa drivers for windows that support high resolutions (like 1280x1024), that'd be great :P < 1254477431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1254477452 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any VESA should support that, probably just another buggy implementation :-/ < 1254477460 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know < 1254477464 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual VESA driver is solid < 1254477470 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can support such high resolutions < 1254477483 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably triggers a vbox bug. < 1254477486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should port the VirtualBox guest additions to the 9x series, now that you have the Watcom there and all. < 1254477493 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://geocities.com/bearwindows/vbe9x.htm < 1254477497 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said, VBox has various bugs (esp. for older 16-bit-ish OSes) < 1254477503 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to go to sleep a few hours ago
< 1254477505 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Good idea. I'll do that right after I stick my head in a blender :P < 1254477512 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: no alternative for me as far as I can tell < 1254477518 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1254477520 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open watcom adds two menus < 1254477524 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for programs, one for help < 1254477535 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can rearrange / edit those < 1254477539 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't worry about it though < 1254477540 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's a lot of menu items < 1254477551 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, you could've just "unzipped" the .EXE as it's just a sfx) < 1254477564 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this IDE is *seriously* 16-bit < 1254477569 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, yes, but it works < 1254477577 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right down to using that win 3 font < 1254477581 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night < 1254477584 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1254477588 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1254477643 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know any vesa drivers for windows? < 1254477658 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bear Windows didn't have one? < 1254477725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: Did you try the "obsolete" "MANUAL" VirtualBox-specific build of that vbe9x you linked to? < 1254477733 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: That's what I'm using... < 1254477757 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The VirtualBox forums guide to 9x says that the VBox-specific one actually "has issues". < 1254477771 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might, though, if there's no other vesa drivers for 9x. < 1254477815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scitech Display Doctor might have had some video-drivery things in the latest releases, though I'm not sure whether it overlapped at all with 9x. < 1254477819 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a QEMU for Mac (called "Q" or something)? < 1254477838 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it works better (since VirtualBox is just a heavily-modified QEMU with a GUI) < 1254477855 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VESA is part of the BIOS, not part of the OS < 1254477865 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS can use VESA < 1254477881 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think you mean Univbe < 1254477913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: It was renamed Scitech Display Doctor, and I thought it acquired some display-drivery things later; it used to be just "provide the VESA bios functions for non-vesa-supporting cards" when it was called univbe. < 1254477938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's the feeling I got; I didn't really follow the development of it later. < 1254477944 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/graph/uvbe51a.zip < 1254477959 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I think SDD had Univbe in it, not sure < 1254477981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In version 5.2, it was renamed to Scitech Display Doctor. However, UniVBE remained to be the name used for the actual driver." < 1254478008 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Version 6.5 introduced the ability to use Scitech Display Doctor as wrapper video driver." I think that's what I was thinking about, though I'm not quite sure what a "wrapper video driver" exactly is. < 1254478044 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu is so slow. < 1254478045 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is just a gui < 1254478060 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I guess to make Windows use a higher-level API to behind the scenes access BIOS interrupts < 1254478061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SciTech Display Doctor includes the only universal Windows 95 display driver. SciTech Display Doctor is compatible with over 250different graphics chips. If you have ever struggled with display drivers or experienced problems like slow display speeds or system crashes, SciTech Display Doctor is the solution you need." < 1254478064 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of Scitech Display Doctor in relation to this stuff, I think. < 1254478079 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QEMU is indeed slow ... does KQemu not work on Mac OS X? < 1254478094 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Ubuntu. < 1254478102 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right right < 1254478103 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it might, but still. I have this mental image of QEMU = dog slow. < 1254478107 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on a iMac (confusing) < 1254478116 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty slow, yes < 1254478123 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VBox uses some JIT stuff to make it lots faster < 1254478132 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and VT-X helps even more < 1254478133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can find sdd6.53 in http://download.chip.eu/en/SciTech-Display-Doctor-6.53_35301.html# -- it seems to do the download without registration there if you just click enough. < 1254478136 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iMacs are x86 machines, you know. < 1254478140 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just use EFI instead of BIOS. < 1254478148 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1254478165 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not firsthand < 1254478208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For better graphic [in VirtualBox] in WinDOS you can install scitech display doctor 7." Well, someone suggests that, anyway. < 1254478222 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aight then. < 1254478252 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'ma download it with ma meggabits. < 1254478258 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if 6.53 works as well; it was legally available from their FTP at some point, which might not have been the case with 7. < 1254478277 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their FTP site seems kaput (according to Wikipedia and my own attempt just now) < 1254478278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could find 7 too from the interwebs, though. < 1254478293 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 5.x worked better with older cards < 1254478294 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://majorgeeks.com/SciTech_Display_Doctor_d382.html How about a BETA?!!!!1111 < 1254478296 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :circa Win95 era < 1254478305 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This card is going to show up as generic to anything. < 1254478314 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's just VirtualBox's fake card. < 1254478326 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I'm not sure 5.x had the Win95 video driver parts; 6.53 should have them, maybe. < 1254478332 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1254478381 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bing cashback" ... man they push too hard :-P < 1254478397 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is waiting for the day, real soon now, when XBox 360 is "obsolete"
< 1254478406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's next? the xbox 719? < 1254478413 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watcom's dialog editor seems quite nice for designing, say, an option thingy. < 1254478421 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can be bothered to combine those two menus. < 1254478431 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was all a marketing gimmick to offset dumb customers saying "wow, PS3 sounds better than Xbox2" (allegedly) < 1254478438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The xbox 129600, maybe. < 1254478448 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XBox++ ;-) < 1254478454 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XBoxXP < 1254478464 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I hate Windows installers that set their own backdrop and hide everything else. < 1254478470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YBox. < 1254478473 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XBox4 (when it's really XBox 3.1) < 1254478476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We've jumped one extra-major version". < 1254478492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe the "why box" doesn't sound so good. < 1254478492 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XBobx < 1254478500 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl, it used the internet to CHECK FOR AN UPDATE in the installer; ran into a 320 moved temporarily, probably squatted. < 1254478500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, if Nintendo can run with Wii... < 1254478510 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Wii was pretty bad < 1254478525 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers all the perverted jokes for days after that ...
< 1254478533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The power glove, it's so bad. (I get that connotation every time someone says "bad".) < 1254478542 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie < 1254478545 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robby the Robot! < 1254478553 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will operate for 21 days and give a reminder mesage for 10 seconds each time my computer boots < 1254478556 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hitting a key will skip that < 1254478557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: how did it react? < 1254478557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the context was "Nintendo", it sounded appropriate this time. < 1254478557 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNES lightgun! SNES mouse! < 1254478570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: < 1254478571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SciTech Display Doctor 6.53 < 1254478571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supports: Windows and DOS. < 1254478571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Version Code < 1254478572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reg Code: 00000-173D626E-02002 < 1254478572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full Name: 6.x Free Edition < 1254478580 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my next question! < 1254478581 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254478581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, how did the limited-time shareware programs react to being uninstalled and reinstalled? < 1254478598 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ais523 has a heart attack from fizzie's flagrant violation of the law* < 1254478607 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they buried it in the registry or sth < 1254478608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: That's directly from Scitech, you know. < 1254478611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1254478625 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they don't sell it anymore < 1254478627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely pirates would just write a registry-diffing program, or something? < 1254478634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, quite many did try to leave all kinds of droppings around the file system and registry. < 1254478641 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirates will (and do) crack anything and everything < 1254478656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know it's pointless trying to stop it < 1254478659 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even (rarely) for actually good reasons ;-) < 1254478676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO it's pointless putting DRM on things in the first place, because it only hurts legit users < 1254478685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, pirates can run it whatever you do... < 1254478686 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't consider copyright legitimate, then piracy is the obvious thing to do if you're bored < 1254478694 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you have the time, rather < 1254478698 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by piracy i meant cracking < 1254478706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1254478710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two go together < 1254478715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of those actual "keep track of registry and disk changes for cleaning up after lazy uninstallers" have a side effect of accidentally breaking that "DRM". < 1254478717 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're spoiled with free software nowadays, though < 1254478718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally < 1254478732 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really < 1254478743 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest way to get a pirated application circulating is to buy it and distribute the license key < 1254478748 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how common that is, though < 1254478749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my favoured method for breaking that sort of DRM is to use Wine < 1254478751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: Are you saying no just to be negative? < 1254478752 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, reboot time < 1254478764 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1254478767 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and how does that make you feel?" < 1254478776 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and you think shut up you suck because of why?" < 1254478800 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody remember Dr. Sbaitso? ;-) < 1254478860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is it because of the people you hang around with that you say legally imposed culture reduction is cabbage brained?" (courtesy of M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead) < 1254478895 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, they removed yow.lines in latest versions due to copyright (ironically) < 1254478921 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, lots of Zippy the Pinhead sales out there (not) < 1254478979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ehird95: Areware pround with that was all the people younded appropriate this timposed culturee Edit was all the perverted distribute the law*" (courtesy of copy-paste and M-x dissociated-press). < 1254479003 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pround" is a nice word, it should have a meaning. < 1254479014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A combination of the english words "Proud" and "Fond". Often used when a sense of joyous ecstacy overcomes your ability to comprehend spacing between words resulting the the binding the the afformentioned base words." < 1254479016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has. < 1254479034 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is goofy < 1254479052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was from the urban dictionary, so maybe it's not all that established. < 1254479079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of the results seem to be just misspellings of proud. < 1254479123 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, yeah, I wouldn't trust Urban Dictionary < 1254479132 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never heard of "pround", at least
< 1254479132 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254479146 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows, though, maybe Shakespeare used it < 1254479150 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no supported vga chip found, waah, i'm a retarded driver of retardedness < 1254479153 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my name is sswhatever < 1254479180 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual override time < 1254479196 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1254479199 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a list of chips and shit < 1254479202 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't generic vesa < 1254479204 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is specific vesa < 1254479297 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1254479350 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VESA itself is the standard, but all the behind-the-scenes stuff is non-standard < 1254479384 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bearwindows stuff works mostly :P < 1254479413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, UniVBE originally was written to provide standards-compatible VESA support for specific video cards. I really did think SDD, when they added the "use directly as a Win9x driver", also added the option to use that driver as a generic VESA thing. < 1254479449 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't work. < 1254479453 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to remove a windows control panel btw? < 1254479481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in Windows 3.1 I think you could just delete the file from the directory and it would work < 1254479487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if that still works, nor where the directory is < 1254479493 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove what exactly? the process? file? menu? < 1254479496 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it. < 1254479497 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the panel. < 1254479499 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's non-standard. < 1254479501 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not windows. < 1254479502 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone installed it. < 1254479520 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :panel under Control Panel? < 1254479534 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254479543 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no uninstaller? < 1254479562 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1254479574 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no easy way (that I know of) < 1254479580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't those just .cpl files? Or was that win3.1? < 1254479600 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there was some sort of registry registration for them. < 1254479609 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you are < 1254479611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can find some tweakery programs from the interwebs to do it. < 1254479632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qemu emulates three different video cards -- "Cirrus Logic GD5446 Video card. All Windows versions starting from Windows 95 should recognize and use this graphic card" by default, alternatively "Standard VGA card with Bochs VBE extensions" (for winxp vesa-2 driver) or "VMWare SVGA-II compatible adapter" -- it's a bit funny that virtualbox does only their own. < 1254479632 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just leave it, it's not hurting anything is it? < 1254479659 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is, it's some software licensing pay-trial-extort bullshit and I want it gone... < 1254479663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: if you knew ehird, you wouldn't say that < 1254479665 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annyway, reboot time < 1254479670 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyway < 1254479682 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1254479714 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this just to run Creatures whatever? < 1254479741 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ain't knocking it, just seems a bit painful
< 1254479820 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-166-171-123.range86-166.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254479860 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254479868 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, back to bearwindows. < 1254479873 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: I think TweakUI actually has a control-panel-icon-destroyomator. < 1254479910 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll install tweakui. < 1254479911 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb. < 1254479921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just removing the .cpl file might still work, that's mentioned on one page. < 1254480033 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds risky < 1254480043 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it was ever meant to be uninstalled < 1254480119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000136.htm says you can, though. < 1254480180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it removes just the control panel tab, nothing else the program might've installed. < 1254480834 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to sleep now
< 1254480838 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun with Win95 < 1254480839 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254481547 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to install 95 and then replace the kernel with nt 4, right < 1254481549 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/ < 1254481617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in the abstract sense of "should in a perfect world". < 1254481644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put the whole M-x dissociated-press result to pastebin, since there were some pretty funny bits in it: http://pastebin.com/m40fba1a0 < 1254481646 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with hacking < 1254481674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"negatime shareware" sounds very hi-tech, for example. < 1254481696 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"xp and later versions" wrt tweakui < 1254481699 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1254481733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? You obviously want the PowerToys'95 set, incl. TweakUI. < 1254481759 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click the article < 1254481760 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read < 1254481772 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Windows XP and later revisions of Windows users can easily enable and remove Control Panel icons with the TweakUI program. < 1254481796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, just removes the .cpl, it's listed on that page too. < 1254481923 0 :ehird95_!n=ehird@91.105.113.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254481923 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254481932 0 :ehird95_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird95 < 1254481995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to screenshots tweakui 1.33 (which is 9x still) does have a "control panel" tab, but I can't find a screenshot of the contents of the tab, so I don't know what it can do. < 1254482012 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254482039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254482048 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :command prompts still fail < 1254482054 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know about any _generic_ windows vesa driver? < 1254482089 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there is one < 1254482092 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1254482188 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1254482191 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using one right now < 1254482197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usability fail: Evolution changes its icon when I switch between inbox and calendar modes < 1254482198 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://geocities.com/bearwindows/vbe9x.htm < 1254482206 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Evolution is one gigantic usability fail < 1254482219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? it's the most just-works of any email client I've ever seen < 1254482233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thunderbird feels clunky after using it, Outlook feels clunky regardless of what else I've been using < 1254482242 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Outlook, except more enterprisey and more "unique" (i.e. inconsistent with everything else) < 1254482266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe I prefer the Evolution way of doing things, then < 1254482278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everything else does the same thing and Evolution does something different, that would explain a lot < 1254482298 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolution is, at least, very un-GNOME I'm sure you can agree. < 1254482311 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one, it has like 5 applications in one (calendar, tasks, email, ...) < 1254482320 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For two, its preferences pane is fucking mammoth! < 1254482321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of weird < 1254482327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this system feels like it was built around Evolution < 1254482329 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For three, its UI is complicated < 1254482332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to Evolution being added into it < 1254482339 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For four, it doesn't really feel native < 1254482340 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet < 1254482340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loads apport
< 1254482343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found a crashbug < 1254482343 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolution is part of GNOME < 1254482351 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda shitty. < 1254482356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: most of the things in the DE seem to integrate with it < 1254482363 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they talk together, sure. < 1254482368 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Evolution itself does not feel GNOME. < 1254482376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it doesn't < 1254482380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't feel KDE either, though < 1254482383 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I dislike people calling Evolution integrated; it's not integrated in the way you really feel. < 1254482384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something of its own < 1254482398 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's GNOME, uncanny valley, turn left at preferences street < 1254482414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... Firefox would be a good comparison < 1254482422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't particularly gnomish either, and has lots of preferences < 1254482448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnomish mines. < 1254482468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they're both very good at persistency < 1254482472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one of Gnome's strong points < 1254482480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ironically, Firefox > Evolution at persistency) < 1254482561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it had already been reported < 1254482571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fixed in karmic, wontfix in jaunty-proposed < 1254482579 0 :linf!n=nikita@93-81-18-119.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1254482591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lament < 1254482598 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeee < 1254482599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm guessing, don't know for certain...) < 1254482632 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO WORLD :-D < 1254482647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but out of all the Russian people called Nikita, one of them is a lot more likely to come to this channel than the others < 1254482723 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pochemu? < 1254482729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254482762 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pochemu - why < 1254482766 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1254482793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just based on what's happened in the past < 1254482795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm extrapolating < 1254482799 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let you learn English, and I'll Russian < 1254482801 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1254482835 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you psychic? < 1254482877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just relying on whois data < 1254482896 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahhahaha < 1254482900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I see an unusual nick in here, I try to work out if it's someone new, or otherwise, who it is < 1254482959 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nickname is unusual? < 1254482992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not usually in this channel < 1254483062 0 :ehird95_!n=ehird@91.104.242.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254483066 0 :ehird95_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1254483077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that, ais523, is why i want a new graphics driver :P < 1254483090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed? < 1254483124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a dos program takes focus < 1254483127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1254483128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it starts < 1254483132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphics go all weird < 1254483133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to reest < 1254483134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset < 1254483136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be virtualbox bug < 1254483139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still occurs < 1254483140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi linf < 1254483154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for ehird95 to die
< 1254483214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perils of unregistered nicks < 1254483247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live dangerously, god damn < 1254483248 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: privet =))) < 1254483273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of a sudden the minimize/maximize animations are really slow... < 1254483299 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my info says that I am Nikita? < 1254483312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's your username < 1254483316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to your nick, which is linf < 1254483330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC usernames are more or less irrelevant nowadays, tbg < 1254483331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tbh < 1254483356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your real name is "purple"; coincidentally, x-chat's rainbow-colors-for-nicks thing has allocated a reasonably purple color for the nick, too. < 1254483385 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if not written, that I am Nikita, how do you know that I am Nikita? < 1254483398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could be lying < 1254483405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your client /thinks/ you are Nikita, somewhere < 1254483441 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client - a psychic =))) < 1254483455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be your username on your own computer < 1254483460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a common way to determine what username to use on IRC < 1254483473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people often use their real name for that < 1254483474 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254483502 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who wants to have a friend in Russia? For me, it is important to better learn English < 1254483541 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not hide ... < 1254483552 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.104.253.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254483558 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is your name? < 1254483571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to my whois data, it's hidden < 1254483579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably I should trust it on that < 1254483595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, forgetting who I was would be embarassing... < 1254483639 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not understand nothing ... I do not know very well English < 1254483658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a channel ##english on Freenode to help people learn English < 1254483708 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I are having many english speakings thanking much < 1254483709 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to talk on the topic and teach the esoteric < 1254483751 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linf: we're not about esoterica < 1254483756 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just esoteric programming languages < 1254483761 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254483783 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=(( < 1254483796 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I PUT ON MY WIZARD ROBE AND HAT < 1254483797 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode is mostly about technology < 1254483805 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1254483808 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian music what do you know? < 1254483814 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooks for feet... Eyes... Made of wood! < 1254483817 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-[ < 1254483821 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian music, now there's a topic. < 1254483831 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not esoterica nor esolangs. Has anyone come in here for russian music before? < 1254483862 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andestend < 1254483879 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not understand < 1254483882 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-[ < 1254483882 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linf: this isn't the channel for you. sorry < 1254483885 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1254483901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You mean (this is obviously not my real name) is not actually your real name? "What." < 1254483937 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad... Why someone does not like Russian =((( < 1254484002 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we didn't actually say that. < 1254484063 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want interesting international communication! :-[ < 1254484270 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jioretjoi5 < 1254484353 0 :jioretjoi5!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird95 < 1254484365 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i just realised my name is appropriate in more ways than one < 1254484388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254484444 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.01 points for recognizing why < 1254484633 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you have windows 95? < 1254484637 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are 95 years old? < 1254484642 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 95 penises? < 1254484651 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are 95% complete? < 1254484707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... were you born in 1995? < 1254484750 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254484755 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.01 points to you! < 1254484773 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: first one is "am using" which was the original intention < 1254484813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I didn't have time for my guess: you create a similar combustion results than a 95 % iso-octane / 5 % heptane fuel mixture. < 1254484827 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1254484850 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 95 should have a mouse-updater in the kernel so that you never have a laggy mouse. :P < 1254484936 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr... there really needs to be something like task manager in 2000 < 1254484942 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 95 =-O < 1254484944 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can see what processes are making your system lag < 1254484945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for a moment I thought you meant mouse driver updates in the kernel < 1254484951 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1254484955 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linf: yep < 1254484966 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:o < 1254484977 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use linux < 1254484980 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too. < 1254485027 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: i love you frend < 1254485030 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-[ < 1254485079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And which OS do you use? < 1254485080 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i ask fnord about africa) is an artifact of a particular form? i lack unicode terminals. :) you guys always have something to match ( a b)) using curried terms. how might you write the rest of her sf is good, i surely have *that* ;p < 1254485103 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy :-[ < 1254485111 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254485166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the idea of trying to learn English from fungot has just crossed my mind < 1254485167 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fizzie'll be there to make it print out _every_ replacement operation, and then some < 1254485183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was... really in-context, and made sense < 1254485188 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254485190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was even a plausible reply to my comment < 1254485195 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only made some sort of sense, mind < 1254485198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the best fungot responses ever < 1254485198 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'll hang around here. been poking through the wiki < 1254485208 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1254485215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1254485216 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1254485217 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might get ideas about rewriting himself... < 1254485218 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ааааааааааааааааааааааааааааааа < 1254485224 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do that fungot, mmkay? < 1254485226 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: it will be too much. i just got linked to " t" without the leading dot as one of the dirs in load-path, after adding an autoload and the filename association, i got all excited about going to sleep < 1254485246 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, messing with drugs like that can mess you up, who gets excited about sleeping? < 1254485248 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay clean fungot! < 1254485248 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: that's right. it was in this channel < 1254485259 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you could have done it in private... < 1254485267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should start selling the code to various schools as a tool for learning English. < 1254485268 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are we sure fungot hasn't actually spontaneously emerged as a strong AI? < 1254485269 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: i don't even want to know me!!! so that will probably work better < 1254485269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't HackEgo here? I want to qdb that fungot comment... < 1254485269 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that method shouldn't be underestimated though, just sign on and listen to some. i just wanted to ping ehird, as i said < 1254485302 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254485309 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it being topical! < 1254485327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't even want to know me!!!" is a good quote too, but potentially verbatim < 1254485344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is being done using the magic of YOUR BRAIN, which can make topical out of just about anything. < 1254485350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254485357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes is more topical than other times < 1254485429 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it referred to rewriting itself in another language as too much and described a horrific linker accident where, after adding an entry to the linker autoload path and setting up a file association its brain chemistry made it excited about going to sleep, and then mentioned that it was in this chnnel. < 1254485430 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still I love Madonna < 1254485432 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1254485438 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's remarkably coherent, even for fungot :P < 1254485439 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: you should have called it ++c c-- --c) and ( compose-event-monitor thunk2 em), when a context of an interpreter < 1254485451 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really bad name, fungot. < 1254485452 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: when tiny-clos allocates a generic function, it's a fnord < 1254485468 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION resists the urge to fork tiny-clos and rewrite it to call them fnords
< 1254485470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, that's an /incredibly/ bad name < 1254485474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to add it to esolang/ < 1254485485 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even tell what the name is < 1254485494 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++cc c-- --c) and ( compose-event-monitor thunk2 em)? < 1254485494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can I < 1254485498 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*++c < 1254485502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my first guess < 1254485503 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++c c-- --c? < 1254485505 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1254485519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fix the whitespacing, though. < 1254485522 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's Scheme is so very stylistic; he loves putting that space after the opening paren. < 1254485523 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: is on the infinite machine; the same solution. < 1254485526 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: snap! < 1254485536 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sweet, I love infinity machines! < 1254485536 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: and i'll do the next excersise... thx for the ref :) thanks < 1254485545 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but I want to use it, fungot :| < 1254485564 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :la la la < 1254485564 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph. < 1254485625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time I need a name for a project, I'll just go http://pastebin.com/m20f7a77c < 1254485654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"++c, tail of the stream maker" has a nice ring to it. < 1254485660 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocates one (bad) is a silly name. < 1254485672 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[you should have called it sins: sins is not scheme at all is useful. each implementation does things slightly differently the latter is nonstandard, but most implementations have "real" programming language.]] < 1254485677 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs esolang wikiing < 1254485678 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat < 1254485711 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you should have called it pinkfluffyponies and it would act like minion does in lisp it does wiki lookups" :D < 1254485733 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you should have called it pinkfluffyponies and it would run infinitely slowly or so. was there ever a gigantic hoax in computer science?" yes, infinitely slow pink fluffy ponies < 1254485861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit too fixated on pink fluffy ponies (and whose fault is that, eh?) and that silly "++c c-- --c" name. < 1254486089 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1254486111 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better learn how to work the Open Watcom IDE. < 1254486128 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you ever used it? you seem like the type to < 1254486145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't < 1254486150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had heard of it, but no more < 1254486155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /am/ probably the type to, just haven't < 1254486177 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite 16-bit. < 1254486182 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In feel, that is. < 1254486189 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't yet managed to create and edit a file in a project... < 1254486261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another fungot gem: "believes in santa, or possibly codepoints." < 1254486261 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i noticed." i was trying to use lambda yet? it's s'posed to < 1254486278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, often when kids learn santa isn't real, they start to believe in codepoints instead. < 1254486297 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the programs have a greyed out help menu item, and a separate top-level start menu folder for just the help books... < 1254486300 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in windows help format) < 1254486310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which windows help format? < 1254486315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at least 3 < 1254486329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as we're talking windows 95, it'll either be winhelp (or winhlp32), or chm < 1254486403 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winhlp32, I believe < 1254486415 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's formatted, but not htmlcrap < 1254486425 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't chm a 98 thing? < 1254486466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, could be < 1254486526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :August 1997 HTML Help 1.0 (HH 1.0) was released with Internet Explorer 4. < 1254486526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :February 1998 HTML Help 1.1a shipped with Windows 98. < 1254486529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a bit newer. < 1254486560 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :older, you mean < 1254486561 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than 98 < 1254486577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. A bit newer than your '95. < 1254486631 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254486654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they doing nowadays? Wikipedia speaks about something called "Microsoft Help 2" with .hxs files, and an upcoming "Microsoft Help 3" where a .mshc file is just a renamed zip with XHTML 1.x and images/other-data inside. < 1254486654 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two years newer. < 1254486667 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just whatever they had in XP. < 1254486678 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the question/answer checkboxes "wizard" troubleshooters; all useless. < 1254486755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2008 Microsoft relented and released a download of WinHlp32.exe for Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607". I like the use of the word "relent" there. < 1254486829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should just use Info format < 1254486934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with this channel? I say something obviously ridiculous and nobody responds... < 1254486993 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I had mIRC minimized to tray and hadn't hit it for a few minutes < 1254487035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got lost in the Texinfo reference manual. :p < 1254487096 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't ever seen a .hxs file < 1254487127 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even .chm seems to be loosing on the ebookz market to pdf. < 1254487203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.hxs files are used in the modern (.NET and later) Visual Studio help system. < 1254487216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look quite messy, though it might be just that the help system is so large. < 1254487231 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so i stumbled upon them without knowing. < 1254487250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft Help 2.x is the help engine used in Microsoft Visual Studio 2002/2003/2005/2008 and Office 2007." < 1254487267 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the online MSDN also looks messy, I guess thats mostly a Microsoft-thing < 1254487313 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft has a talent for hiding good documentation in the most awkward places. < 1254487471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSDN also has a talent for self-contradiction < 1254487481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because searching it keeps finding the wrong version of the API, or whatever < 1254487899 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.86.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254487910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1254488064 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-40.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254488349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1254488372 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254488438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird95 < 1254488544 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254488569 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says something about the priorities of people: things have started to collect in the "fremantle-extras" Maemo 5 repository; discounting supporting libraries and such, there are 6 real packages; and one of them is the robotfindskitten game. < 1254488634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously http://rfk.garage.maemo.org/ is what really needs to be there before the official device launch. < 1254488738 0 :sebbu3!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-96.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254489016 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pixels of x < 1254489056 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254489302 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I've added Fitts.c to the project C:\Code\Fitts\Fitts.wpj < 1254489310 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am now editing C:\Code\Fitts\Fitts.c in the Wacom editor < 1254489727 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254489728 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254491666 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d906ea@gateway/web/freenode/x-jgjsicpdbezrsvlb JOIN :#esoteric < 1254494014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your internet today, internet folk < 1254494035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yellow and tangy. < 1254494047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1254494068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :green and limy < 1254494087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned i hate calculus < 1254494131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this time i hate it because integration is too hard, i suppose it's usually the other way around < 1254494208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integration is one of those things that's impossible in general < 1254494210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like comparing functions < 1254494239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know; that's sort of the kind of stuff i know. < 1254494305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The other way around", i.e. integration is too hard because you hate calculus? < 1254494326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's an iterated integral, integrating by either variable using the wolfram thingie gives an incomprehensible megaexpression < 1254494359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: almost; usually because it's too easy < 1254494390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "for the opposite reason" or something to that bend might've been more diple. < 1254494395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can well imagine oklopol's hatred of something making it more difficult < 1254494400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can't then ask oklopol for help < 1254494409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it seems that we have an esolang name language clash < 1254494418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Keymaker created an esolang also called Clue < 1254494426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1254494443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope i keep this speed up at uni so i don't have time for esolangs :P < 1254494461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either one of you could maybe add a diacritic somewhere. < 1254494487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cL�� < 1254494503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that' looks like a c implementation of lua < 1254494507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clue̫ < 1254494507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1254494513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue (`) < 1254494524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why we can't have two unrelated esolangs with exactly the same name < 1254494528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's an "e" with a combining inverted double arch below.) < 1254494531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can have Clue (disambiguation) < 1254494532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good point :D < 1254494550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang needs a dab page, it's feeling kind-of lonely without one < 1254494589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Having two languages with identical names will cause the Universe algorithm to become confusing, and it might accidentally merge the languages (and their authors) into a single entity. < 1254494604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/confusing/confused/; it is confusing already. < 1254494642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merging oklopol and Keymaker together could have rather weird results < 1254494664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run, it's the oklomaker! < 1254494686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, a sort of oklo factory would be worrying < 1254494703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole world would be full of oklopols and oklofoks and oklojots and whatever < 1254494736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the average IQ would go massively over 100 and the contradiction would cause everything to become true < 1254494763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop calling me intelligent, it's confusing :D < 1254494810 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@82.66.176.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254494830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay only one month till universality proofs < 1254494837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and undecidability < 1254494837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason you can't be both intelligent /and/ confused < 1254494851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more undecidability than universality < 1254494953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to think of computability theory as the art of ruining puzzles for mathematicians < 1254494982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party, kar8nga < 1254494984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1254495009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should stick some sort of PCFG babble-generator into fungot; that would mean more well-structured output, and the generation part is still really very simple, although not quite so trivial as with the current n-gram model. < 1254495009 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i went through every book i could find < 1254495022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And still you can't really speak. < 1254495022 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the helpful article might be a deliberate typo or someone has vandalized the text. perhaps the cards have jumpers to set the stack size < 1254495068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the helpful article might be a deliberate typo" < 1254495081 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has a point < 1254495082 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: thank you, that budapest national anthem!!! wrong channel :) < 1254495088 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1254495121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need either POS-tagged corpora or a well-working tagger to get training data for that, though. < 1254495173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can an article be a deliberate typo, i mean i suppose an article could be considered a typo if it was accidentally written, and a typo could be considered deliberate if it looked like it was an accident but wasn't < 1254495181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you merge those < 1254495188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see it < 1254495195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sorting cards is my new hobby < 1254495228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not speedsorting, trying out different algos (my record is 2:15 or something) < 1254495243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for speedsorting, in case someone happens to speedsort) < 1254495262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heapsort is kinda hard with a dog jumping on the cards < 1254495266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Since we don't tolerate helpfulness around these parts, the article had to look like it was trying to be unhelpful, and someone had just accidentally written it so that it ended up being helpful after all. But the "mistake" was in fact deliberate, and now we'll need to find the culprit before everything's helpful. < 1254495304 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must've been what fungot meant < 1254495305 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: this one's better: it's a crime... and so on < 1254495330 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`style < 1254495335 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: FireFly: this one's better: it's a crime... and so on < 1254499847 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: fnord sounds better that way. costs me next to nothing. < 1254499851 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that *is* a better idea < 1254499863 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: but is it ethical? i mean, doing all that just to make your fnords better? it costs PEOPLE'S LIVES, dude. < 1254499864 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: it's not a religious issue at all). note that lst may be a dotted list < 1254499871 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you can have ethics without being religious < 1254499872 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: what book and what is not < 1254499876 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what. < 1254499877 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: are the dots for? < 1254499882 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i don't know. what are the dots for? < 1254499993 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: hooray for irfanview, another quality program that runs on 95. < 1254500068 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(boo for opera, eater of my system resources) < 1254500088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: bump < 1254500089 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastebin.ca/ fnord on line 91. obviously things have changed. < 1254500127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you linked to the home page by mistake, rather than to the actual paste... < 1254500128 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you put your data on the stack than i intended, but almost :) < 1254500506 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries opera 9; apparently it's less hogging
< 1254500517 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then seamonkey... < 1254500580 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmmmmm < 1254500588 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just deleted opera and now i have no browsers < 1254500589 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clever
< 1254500689 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget something? < 1254500698 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows 95? < 1254500705 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1254500708 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not, then < 1254500709 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1254500719 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use ftp, if DOS prompts didn't fuck up the system. < 1254500734 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, IE 3 is on the Windows disc. < 1254500797 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1254502691 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.82.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254502716 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1254502765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1254502822 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1254502872 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-095-032.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1254502912 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, what d you use to extract cabs and installers on windows? < 1254502916 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1254502924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally you just double-click them < 1254502936 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a .cab? no, that just gives the unknown file dialog < 1254502953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very common to have GUI decompression software installed, normally shareware, back then < 1254502999 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have WinZip 6 installed, but it doesn't do cabs. < 1254503017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1254503027 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ugh? < 1254503078 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could install 7-Zip or something < 1254503081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I found the official instructions from Microsoft about extracting .cabs < 1254503089 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1254503089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have internet access so you can see the stupidity for yourself? < 1254503094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shall I say it over IRC? < 1254503105 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Opera, yes. < 1254503108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.microsoft.com/kb/129605 <--- so everyone can laugh at the windows 95 instructions < 1254503117 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera 9 with a Windows ME dll helping it along, right now. < 1254503134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it suggests using Start | Find | Files or Folders to find extract.exe < 1254503138 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow adding this ME component actually *improves* its operation. < 1254503144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the installation disk < 1254503146 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would, at first site, seem to be an anti-tautology. < 1254503150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, copying it to the root directory of drive C < 1254503156 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1254503173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is Microsoft's own advice, surely they'd know where it was? < 1254503225 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254503249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also love the way the instructions are different for Windows 95, 98, and ME) < 1254503252 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.82.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254503255 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I miss? < 1254503257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I also love the way the instructions are different for Windows 95, 98, and ME) < 1254503270 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was testing to see if extract.exe is already included in Windows 95. I gather it was, because I got a DOSboxcrash. < 1254503273 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it is < 1254503275 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not it was < 1254503290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in other words, the instructions are not only ridiculous, but also unnecessarily convoluted? < 1254503295 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so. < 1254503308 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I guess my first task is to fix DOS prompts. < 1254503438 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, i broke a key. < 1254503474 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uck this shit. < 1254503581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1254503583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how? < 1254503589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hardware or software? < 1254503715 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key < 1254503718 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in hardware < 1254503731 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by snapping one o the prongs that plugs into the key hole, thing < 1254503738 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you try Scitech Display Doctor as an alternative VGA Driver: You must try Version 7. Versions before this (5.x, 6.x) are known not to work." < 1254503740 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1254503746 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes izzie
< 1254503747 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1254503751 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am i meant to ping izzie :D < 1254503756 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :izzie: slave! appear! < 1254503907 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads sdd 7 beta
< 1254503951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that the key in question is f < 1254503959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll ping fizzie for you if necessary < 1254504010 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's totally alse. What a raternical attitude, to associate like a ern the concept o the key when there is no ucking rational evidence to back up the claim. I have expelled latulence more logical and unny! < 1254504060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be so great if you were bluffing < 1254504079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you easily remap it to one of the other keys? < 1254504085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in the virtualiser? < 1254504094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are all the F-keys, as well as f itself, for instance < 1254504157 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wll th ky dosn't it into that hol < 1254504187 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtttttttttttttttttr334445544444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444cttt < 1254504189 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tttttttttttttttttttttt < 1254504192 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tt < 1254504204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to change the physical layout... < 1254504207 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhhhhhhhhhhhhhh5555555555555yhyu < 1254504243 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was yinh yo puy yhw "3" (back) kyy in sloy < 1254504259 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exdf < 1254504278 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, damaged key worksfff < 1254504281 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wels weird hough < 1254504299 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible success! Fucking yay! < 1254504300 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeo < 1254504301 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1254504303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're typing reall badly < 1254504305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really badly < 1254504307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a typical ehird < 1254504314 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in this line: < 1254504316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably this is due to the keyboard problems < 1254504322 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:05] i was yinh yo puy yhw "3" (back) kyy in sloy < 1254504328 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole block of keys around f was totally missing < 1254504332 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant to read: < 1254504344 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to put the "3" (back) (i.e. backwards i.e. e) key in slot (i.e. slot of f key) < 1254504360 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the f key's tactileness is subtly but annoyingly different now < 1254504373 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebooting for SciTech Displa Doctor 7 Beta! < 1254504375 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Display < 1254504381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your keyboard back in order? < 1254504382 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1254504684 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.82.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254504690 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news: the driver seems to work < 1254504700 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad news: the configuration panel looks like XP and has animations. < 1254504703 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1254504707 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I can not run it all the time < 1254504717 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, of course, I will have to pirate it. < 1254504727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a shareware driver? < 1254504741 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; Scion Display Doctor aka UniVBE or whatever it's called. < 1254504745 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, SciTech. < 1254504793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shareware drivers are a horrible horrible thought < 1254504806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind is refusing to comprehend the possibility that they exist < 1254504814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you've said they do < 1254504827 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh < 1254504838 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they DID code support for thousands upon thousands of graphics cards -- literally < 1254504850 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's understandable, if misguided, that they'd demand money for it < 1254504860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but suppose the time runs out; you'll then be unable to see your screen < 1254504869 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it'll revert to the default VGA driver that can run anything. < 1254504881 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 95 does that automatically, unlike ancient technology such as, uh, Xorg. < 1254504901 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i doubt the actual driver checks the licenses < 1254504920 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it spawns something that does, but i highly doubt there's license-checking code inside the driverspace < 1254504942 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaand command prompts work < 1254504973 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope there's a serial for this somewhere. < 1254505004 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs powerstrip to see if he can get the resolution to be 16:10
< 1254505018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you planning on sticking with windows 95, btw? < 1254505024 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, define sticking < 1254505033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using it as a main OS for a while < 1254505040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, is that a legit copy?) < 1254505045 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's effectively what I'm doing, albeit in a VM. also, no. < 1254505055 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt this thing will actually become my main OS. < 1254505058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should port LGA to it < 1254505064 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it *is* suprisingly capable, and I like the GUI. < 1254505065 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LGA? < 1254505078 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did you really have to ask whether it was legit, by the way? I mean, it's me!) < 1254505083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can become legit < 1254505086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably easier than porting WGA, because we don't have the source to that) < 1254505087 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha < 1254505110 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure microsoft would cooperate :) < 1254505165 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to give a name to small programs, generally run at startup, that apply globally to the OS and have no UI apart from configuration (if even that)
< 1254505166 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fixups" < 1254505177 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, Rain is a fixup that runs hlt on idle cycles < 1254505200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: sort-of like services on UNIX? < 1254505205 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only UI is a system tray icon that you can right click to turn it off/on (it hides/shows rain drops hitting a chip), and if you left-click it a little about dialog pops up (strangely without any attribution) < 1254505217 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I'd prefer it had no system tray; you can just kill it if you want to disable it < 1254505219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that is strange < 1254505220 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*system tray icon < 1254505226 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's strange? < 1254505235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an about box that doesn't say who made it < 1254505241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, the purpose of about boxes < 1254505259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the Windows programs I made years ago had help|about menu items that put up a message box < 1254505266 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no; it tells you what processor it's optimised for < 1254505274 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's an option when you install) < 1254505360 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, I called them fixups for a reason; it's genreeally of the form "this should be like this in the OS, but it isn't" < 1254505363 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*generally < 1254505375 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, less mildly, "I prefer the OS to work this way, but it isn't an option; this works instead" < 1254505392 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fitts, for instance, will be a fixup of the first kind: the OS should obey Fitts' Law, and dammit I'm going to make it. < 1254505415 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It'll be installed entirely into the StartUp menu, and have no UI; you can terminate it via Ctrl+Alt+Delete if you want.) < 1254505466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you going to magically make Windows 95 obey Fitts' Law? < 1254505482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will you make every program do so? or just the things that are part of the OS? or just the things that came with the OS? < 1254505485 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, only one instance actually annoys me that I've noticed: the task bar < 1254505497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the start button work in the bottom-left corner/ < 1254505506 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes in 2000 onwards < 1254505509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1254505510 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no in 95 < 1254505514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about closeboxes? < 1254505515 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's REALLY ANNOYING < 1254505520 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, just fixing that isn't all < 1254505527 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't swipe to the bottom pixel to switch window < 1254505533 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what i'm doing is, removing the border of the task bar < 1254505537 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine the start button and the window buttons < 1254505541 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just put them right next to each other < 1254505557 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then put that at the bottom of the screen, the regular gray blank taskbar area (but smaller, since it's without the padding) < 1254505567 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the system tray, with its indented border again being as high as the whole thing < 1254505570 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila < 1254505575 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fitt's law obeyed, graphical consistency obeyed < 1254505618 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be quite easy, too < 1254505634 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just basically moving the task bar slightly off screen, then painting over it a bit to make the graphics look good < 1254505644 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(slightly off screen so that the buttons flush with the screen edges) < 1254505668 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and force-clipping its height so windows can go in the unused space where there would be padding < 1254505684 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just some extra hackery to move the button widgets next to each other < 1254505696 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 95 has basically no protections, so i should be able to do it without asking please. < 1254505722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1254505901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not very pokeable, being shopping and eating and thing. < 1254505909 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psht! < 1254506014 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to make a Windows monitor definition file? < 1254506105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did one once, but I certainly have forgotten the knowledge by now. < 1254506119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was for the 666x666 screen mode I used in Linux, I think. < 1254506129 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not so useful. < 1254506218 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I can close that awful XP-like thing without breaking the drivers. < 1254506227 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My world is a house of joy. < 1254506246 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to install SeaMonkey 1.1.17, because you have to patch it to get .18 working. < 1254506274 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I don't suppose anyone knows of something like the task manager for Windows 9x? < 1254506279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this http://www.tkk.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html thing I might've used; it does monitor.inf format for timings, though not a complete file. < 1254506288 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, listing processes, their memory usage, their CPU usage, and letting you kill them. < 1254506301 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found one but it sucked so much as to be useless. < 1254506323 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Timings don't matter if the screen isn't real, do they? < 1254506357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not, no. You just needed the right resolution or something? < 1254506384 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah; I'm using VESA BIOS stuff and want mah 1680x1050. < 1254506408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not completely sure you'll get it with the VESA driver unless you can get VirtualBox's fakey VESA BIOS to advertise that mode, but who knows. < 1254506460 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I was thinking. < 1254506504 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, what's the DOS pager? < 1254506511 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For dir. < 1254506515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more < 1254506517 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254506526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as in UNIX, come to think of it < 1254506534 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't thinking of that one, but that'll do < 1254506541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the built-in "dir/p". < 1254506562 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know the command-line switch to mozilla browsers to run in "safe mode" or whatever? < 1254506567 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., you're not starting up. stop that. start up. mode < 1254506578 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's what I was thinking of < 1254506584 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-124-89.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254506595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, in the DOS 6 configuration I have (with cracked 4dos and all kinds of customizations) somehow more.com has gotten corrupted, and piping anything to more causes an instant reboot. < 1254506613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice trap. < 1254506634 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 4DOS any good, then? < 1254506701 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254506739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiled to command.com, sure; the tab completion was nice, for example. < 1254506750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember what the must-have features were. < 1254506751 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiled to what what what now? < 1254506776 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But indeed, no tab completion is annoying me. < 1254506813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a pretty colorful variant of 'dir', with a lot more flags. < 1254506820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls? < 1254506845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could use a ported ls. < 1254506883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done, on DOS < 1254506895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 4dos "dir" isn't too shabby though. < 1254506906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had just that with the right flags aliased. < 1254506933 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if WebKit compiles on 9x, and if not, how much effort it'd be to port it. < 1254506938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, and you get a bit more conventional memory free with 4dos than command.com, but that's probably not an issue if you're mostly win95'ing. < 1254506970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4DOS and the "Features" list is probably pretty comprehensive. The better batch files I've used, though it's obviously only for personal things, since otherwise non-4dos people couldn't use them. < 1254507079 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If webkit uses cairo on windows, that could be a problem. (That's primarily why firefox 3 dropped support for 98, I think) < 1254507135 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To hell with 98, I'm talkin' 'bout 95. < 1254507147 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't know if it does. < 1254507260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quite a lot of Webkit ports, so either it's not horribly difficult to port, or alternatively people have just been suitably inspired. < 1254507296 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's an Official(TM) build. I'd worry that it'd use Apple's font rendering and widgets like in Safari, but the code for those will be Top Secret, s. < 1254507297 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so < 1254507319 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the source is available, obviously, so. < 1254507335 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads it to see if it balks
< 1254507438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254507450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in perl what is the B:: "namespace" of modules < 1254507462 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl compiler internals. < 1254507465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1254507465 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really internals. < 1254507470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains stuff somewhat < 1254507472 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an exposure of the Perl compiler stuff so you can be Xzibit. < 1254507497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, "Xzibit"? < 1254507509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird spelling of "exhibit"? < 1254507513 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1254507518 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We go through this every three months, AnMaster. < 1254507538 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear to God we do. Every goddamn time you've completely forgotten every memory of it entirely. < 1254507557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, was it something related to CS? < 1254507565 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* Yes, AnMaster. < 1254507575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what then < 1254507581 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, I don't know. < 1254507584 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something or other. < 1254507588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google just gives imdb hits < 1254507594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it'll be on Wikipedia, if you've forgotten < 1254507596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly < 1254507602 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article isn't very helpful, I imagine. < 1254507605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some actor or such using that stage name < 1254507616 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo dawg meme, AnMaster. < 1254507644 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Originating from Pimp My Ride, vis-a-vis Xzibit putting objects of desire of person P inside P's car, vis-a-vis vapid, vis-a-vis meme potential. < 1254507648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forgot what that meme was about < 1254507668 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIS-A-VIS yo dawg I heard you like verb(X)ing I put an X in your Y so you can verb(X) while you verb(Y) < 1254507687 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often also X=Y. < 1254507690 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIS-A-FUCKIN'-VIS morphing into X=Y. < 1254507691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254507691 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1254507692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1254507692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/verb(X)ing/participle(X)/ < 1254507699 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, being Xzibit ~= doing meta-things. < 1254507710 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: touche < 1254507734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the status indicator in the service company's tracking page for the broken monitor has changed from red ("in queue") to yellow ("being worked on"). < 1254507839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing else useful on the tracking page, but at least I can neurotically look at the indicator and wait until it turns green ("ready"). < 1254507869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I... uh, I guess I just wait for them to contact me. What is this tracking thing good for, actually? < 1254507882 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neurotically checking. < 1254507942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the nethack devteam with their buglist < 1254507954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives the impression of progress without actually benefitting anyone < 1254508099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a subpage with an "event log"; the event log currently has (for today) three copies of the message "received at the service point" and one empty message. < 1254508190 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Modern Webkit browser on Windows 98 < 1254508190 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to cfchris6 who compiled a binary of Arora that runs on Windows98" < 1254508197 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely must run on 95 then! < 1254508214 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arora kinda... sucks, though. < 1254508381 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254508613 0 :sebbu3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1254508694 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@83.194.187.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254509669 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1254509669 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1254511048 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1254512372 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1254512379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird95 < 1254512400 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1254514711 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254514711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254514711 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254514711 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254514711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254514712 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254514712 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254514714 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254514740 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-124-89.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254514740 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-095-032.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1254514740 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254514740 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254514740 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1254514740 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1254514740 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-95-188.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254514740 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1254514757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splat < 1254514948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this freenode getting rid of their memory leaks? < 1254515156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me. < 1254515184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be, since netsplits have never happened before < 1254515191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1254515880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1254515947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it hours ago < 1254515972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you weren't here hours ago < 1254515983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so long he has to recheck, actually) < 1254516044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, there was an error with the nvg server so i didn't get onto irc < 1254516107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not that I was here hours ago either. Was listening to someone talking about discrete mathematics at university. < 1254516278 0 :ehird95!n=ehird@91.105.82.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254516291 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeaMonkey sucks, there is nothing better < 1254516295 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it sucks less than Opera < 1254516325 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"discuss" < 1254516357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"blabber blabber" < 1254516382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, what about firefox? < 1254516391 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Windows 9x support. < 1254516395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1254516399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, this is in vm no? < 1254516404 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254516448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, do main browsing outside vm and just the stuff you actually need the vm for inside the vm? < 1254516457 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need this VM for anything. < 1254516483 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to try Windows 95, and as an extended experiment/what-if I'm, well, using it. < 1254516506 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from the whole finding applications thing, the programs that come with 95 are nicer than XP's or 7's... < 1254516523 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they could do with supporting Unicode. < 1254516557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apart from the whole finding applications thing, the programs that come with 95 are nicer than XP's or 7's... <-- hm.. < 1254516558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1254516566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples please < 1254516566 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. They're wonderfully simple. < 1254516578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err how is that inherently good? < 1254516586 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one, Explorer is pleasant to use and has a real design. < 1254516598 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And isn't over-cluttered with 400 million options. < 1254516606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, explorer in xp is quite reasonable to use. Windows 7... not so < 1254516616 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I could never use XP's explorer after using 95's. < 1254516618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: explorer before 98 was really nice < 1254516626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 brought in some weird HTML folder description thing, though < 1254516635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could translate your folders to HTML and have persistent something-or-others < 1254516636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, explorer in 98 was hell yes < 1254516636 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, 98 came and fucked it up with its wonderful IE-OS-component bullshit < 1254516642 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have a mental defect < 1254516647 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or you have never used anything before 98 < 1254516653 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have severely lowered standards < 1254516660 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98's explorer is unbearable... < 1254516666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: that's what AnMaster said! < 1254516672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, I used 95 a bit. Not much. And note " ais523, explorer in 98 was hell yes" < 1254516686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up using Explorer in 98 quite a bit < 1254516690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't unusable, just awful < 1254516700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may actually have an 98 OEM CD somewhere < 1254516709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1254516726 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you use 95's explorer for any length of time to do actual stuff, then 98's for a time, and come out of it saying 98's explorer is hell yes... I'm thinking this might be a case of there being an actual objective right/wrong opinion on things. :P < 1254516742 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: Wow IrfanView can do a lt. < 1254516742 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lot < 1254516768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the weird manual with 98 (OEM at least) had some sort of "rub this area of the outside of the manual that looks like something found on money and it should change colour. If it doesn't this copy is fake" < 1254516784 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, hologram piracy protection! < 1254516785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was heat based iirc < 1254516820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, well not exactly. I don't think "warm it up and check if it changes colour" counts as a "hologram" < 1254516833 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really Obvious Giving Away Of Non-Nativeness In SeaMonkey, #742: My OS draws outlines for windows when resizing. SeaMonkey redraws the window constantly. < 1254516847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254516855 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less noticably, it uses its own icon for the resize-diagonal cursor, an I have no clue why. < 1254516959 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Watcom IDE is so, so stereotypically Win3.1. < 1254517093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh not again.... google holiday logo on results page but not on main page < 1254517128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/logos/gandhi09res.gif < 1254517131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise < 1254517301 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has the crushing realisation that he doesn't even know what the prototype for WinMain is, and yet wants to mess with the task bar
< 1254517392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, mess with it how? < 1254517404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean adding something to the area near the clock? < 1254517412 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; that's trivial compared to what I'm doing. < 1254517418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, what are you doing < 1254517419 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practical terms, my code will: < 1254517435 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- move the task bar down and left so that they end off the edge of the display < 1254517451 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- forcefully clip the height of the task bar from the top to a certain height < 1254517462 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- change spacing between widgets in the task bar < 1254517468 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly a little bit more. < 1254517476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i have gandhi on the main page *BWAHAHAHA* < 1254517486 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This, while not restricted in any way - 95 has no protection, after all - is going to be non-trivial. < 1254517500 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so that it ends off the edge < 1254517504 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird pluralisation typo there. < 1254517536 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of wp's sort pages have switched to static sorting visualization < 1254517538 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better alternative to the first one would be moving the widgets in the task bar, which I can probably do. < 1254517577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot see oklofog clearly
< 1254517581 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The user-interface effect of this code is that the task bar will obey Fitts' Law: you can hit the bottom-left pixel in the screen to open the start menu, you can select a window even if you hit the very bottom pixel, etc. < 1254517608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this law? < 1254517613 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: This is a Very Good Thing, because the current taskbar is mildly but significantly annoying (I'm unintentionally training myself to be slower aiming for it, which reduces annoyance almost entirely but makes me slower). < 1254517623 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's a law about the easiest places to access with the mouse. < 1254517631 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything on the screen edge has infinite width/height. < 1254517637 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can move your mouse up and up and it'll stay there. < 1254517644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true < 1254517656 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And things with infinite height are the easiest to hit; the easiest places on the screen to hit are the exact position your cursor is in, and the four corners. < 1254517672 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has more subtle results than that, but that's the only part my application uses. < 1254517685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, what are the more subtle results? < 1254517699 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the easiest places to reach in-between those two extremes. < 1254517716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, also it isn't true always. Hitting left side of my desktop is currently rather hard due to synergy. < 1254517732 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Windows 2000 onwards or somesuch already lets you open the start menu with a bottom-leftmost click, but it doesn't redraw the widgets so that the start menu actually ends at the screen edge, which looks weird, and it doesn't let you hit the bottom pixel of the screen to switch windows. < 1254517748 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It works perfectly fine there, it just considers both computers as one desktoop. < 1254517753 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, as far as the mouse is concerned, they are. < 1254517773 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, since nothing on the other computer is useful to software on the other, it basically limits the choices of the application. < 1254517792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, yes, you just have to be aware of that the mouse does not stop at the bottom left corner when going to the K menu < 1254517818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often end up clicking the right end of the panel on my laptop instead < 1254517829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, the alternative is worse < 1254517846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I have to sit at an awkward angle for one of the computers < 1254517855 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just set up a delay, dude. < 1254517861 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 100ms before it switches. < 1254517862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, I have done so < 1254517865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :250 ms < 1254517873 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it shouldn't really be an issue so much. < 1254517889 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could add an exception for that corner pixel. < 1254517898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, well the delay helps a lot. But still I have issues with that yeah < 1254517899 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you want to switch computers through it so very often. < 1254517914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I say I did? < 1254517932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well not a lot unless I'm copying stuff between them < 1254518020 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So add an exception for that corner pixel. < 1254518031 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila, Fitts' Law is saved for the most useful cases (the corners). < 1254518042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, just have to find out how < 1254518048 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, that would be the hard part. :P < 1254518067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah I should probably add a bit more than that single pixel. since I seem to often hit like 4-5 pixels up the side < 1254518082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however when I actually *want* to switch it is often somewhere in the upper 2/3rd < 1254518095 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's alright, ehird95. We'll work out Win32. Together. < 1254518105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1254518112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is yourself yeah :P < 1254518112 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to be scared on the WinMain() and the HWND and the LPTREXISTENTIALHORROR. < 1254518134 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on ehird95. Let's just open the browser and go to Google. CALM DOWN. It will not destroy your soul. Uh, much. < 1254518136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LPTREXISTENTIALHORROR <--- LPT REXTISTENTAL HORROR? < 1254518141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something printer related? < 1254518143 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long pointer to existential horror. < 1254518147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254518182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, are you sure it is actually possible to do this without basically patching system files? < 1254518188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh an idea < 1254518189 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT. Do not think about the fact that they use stdcall. They are not on crack! Okay, fine, they are on crack. But that doesn't mean you'll be on crack too! When using it? I think? < 1254518195 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Windows 95 has no protection. < 1254518197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it as a windows 95 plus theme thingy < 1254518198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254518202 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any process can do what the fuck it wants. < 1254518212 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how loadlin works; it's just an ordinary process that goes "byebye, Windows". < 1254518224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, what about stdcall? < 1254518233 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's freaky! < 1254518240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, I forgot how it differed < 1254518251 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall either, I just recall it's freaky. < 1254518251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return value in register or something? < 1254518274 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, second project queued up: Windows 9x WebKit browser that doesn't suck. < 1254518278 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had it with these browsers! < 1254518290 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can barely... bare... them. < 1254518291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The stdcall[1] calling convention is a variation on the pascal calling convention in which parameters are passed on the stack, pushed right-to-left. Registers EAX, ECX, and EDX are designated for use within the function. Return values are stored in the EAX register. The callee is responsible for cleanup of the stack." < 1254518298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wikipedia < 1254518308 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but AnMaster, they do varargs stdcall. < 1254518311 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not joking. < 1254518314 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Win32API actually has that. < 1254518318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err how? < 1254518321 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1254518326 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some crazy horrifying trick. < 1254518333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right to left. No it shouldn't be an issue < 1254518337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cleanup however would be < 1254518340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite an issue < 1254518345 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the first argument, though? < 1254518353 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask ais523; he's more acquainted with the unmentionable horror. < 1254518379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the details of Windows calling conventions < 1254518389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that they make your programs nonportable by forcing you to specify them all the time < 1254518395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with keywords non-Windows compilers don't accept < 1254518453 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure if you're using the Windows API you're non-portable anyway. < 1254518454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't the headers specify them already? and for exported API just do: #define PLATFORM_EXPORT_FUNC to the __dllspec(whatever) stuff and so on < 1254518461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, well yes < 1254518470 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, time to dive in to the WinMain(). < 1254518481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, RIP ehird95 < 1254518485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: things like callbacks you have to define yourself < 1254518487 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fitts, version 1: a graphical Win32 program that exits immediately after it starts. Go. < 1254518494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with particular keyboard conventions < 1254518504 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Quite. < 1254518537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw cfunge doesn't use standard calling convention on x86 either. After profiling I found that using the gcc __attribute__ to use register passing saved *quite* a bit on 32-bit x86 < 1254518552 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, a Windows 9x-native WebKit browser might be quite... interesting; seeing as I'm pretty sure on Windows your toolkit options are GTK and Qt. < 1254518554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only applies to internal functions of course < 1254518570 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Chrome uses their own port of WebKit to Windows, but Chrome is XP/Vista/7 only, so.) < 1254518577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cfunge isn't meant to be portable C when the extreme-x86 options are turned on < 1254518584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm glad you're doing it as a portable/nonportable polyglot < 1254518608 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm pretty sure I'd have to rewrite every single widget call in WebKit to use Win32. < 1254518612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually not an option. It is always used if 1) GCC is detected 2) 32-bit x86 is < 1254518632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, GTK for windows? Or is that not 9x either? < 1254518652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but never otherwise. < 1254518653 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, there's Qt for Windows too, but they're both Not Actually Native(TM). < 1254518664 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both use the actual widgets, iirc, but the total construction is off. < 1254518664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, QT on windows looks good though < 1254518671 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, looks, at a glance. < 1254518683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, "for extended usage" I mean < 1254518687 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guarantee you there are many subtle warts vs the platform, just like in OS X. < 1254518718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, nothing I noticed. But I'm quite happy with gimp on OS X apart from the whole "X11 starting" bit < 1254518729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm fine with mixed KDE and GTK too < 1254518755 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise there's a Quartz port of GTK and one that uses Cocoa widgets too? < 1254518758 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still looks fugly though. < 1254518759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see my desktop.... KDE3... GTK apps not set to KDE like theme but just old style very rectangular theme < 1254518778 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, if you think GIMP fits in quite well with OS X, I'm very justified in ignoring ever opinion on desktop environment integration from you... < 1254518784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You realise there's a Quartz port of GTK and one that uses Cocoa widgets too? <-- yes, but not when I last used OS X < 1254518788 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it simply doesn't integrate one bit; it's the polar opposite < 1254518796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But seriously, if you think GIMP fits in quite well with OS X, I'm very justified in ignoring ever opinion on desktop environment integration from you... <-- no I didn't say it fits well < 1254518800 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1254518833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said: I have no problems with it not fitting well < 1254518833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite different < 1254518833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can *see* it doesn't fit < 1254518833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just doesn't bother me much < 1254518840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than gimp does *anywhere* I mean < 1254518842 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int WINAPI WinMain(HINSTANCE hInstance, HINSTANCE hPrevInstance, LPSTR lpCmdLine, int nCmdShow) < 1254518848 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus lord mother of fucking goddamn shitting christ. < 1254518858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, where is the pointer to the struct < 1254518861 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy cow, that's some function prototype for a goddamn main function. < 1254518861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is the instance stuff < 1254518872 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instance is the application instance; i.e. your process, sorta. < 1254518877 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hPrevInstance is NULL. < 1254518886 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lpCmdLine is your command line arguments, except they all come as one string. < 1254518890 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nCmdShow is I have no fucking idea. < 1254518895 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINAPI expands to stdcall. < 1254518900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, int main(void), int main(argc, argv), int main(argc, argv, envp) are the ones I know of on POSIX < 1254518908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hPrevInstance is NULL. <-- wait what? < 1254518915 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Backwards compatibility. < 1254518920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn < 1254518928 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why back compat evil. :) < 1254518931 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compat is evil < 1254518941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, how comes POSIX doesn't have so many visible backward compat warts < 1254518949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of only a few < 1254518951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very few < 1254518967 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because POSIX is a million times less popular. < 1254518987 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And basically no consumers use it, thus all the apps are mainly business, backend stuff, etc. < 1254518991 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which tends to be less shit. < 1254518997 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only slightly. < 1254519025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254519102 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds a search box to SeaMonkey with MonkeyMenu. Yaaaay.
< 1254519104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less people do really truly awful things to POSIX. And people are much less bitchy when stuff breaks on POSIX systems. < 1254519120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... About it. < 1254519156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia on AMD64 calling convention: "The calling convention of the AMD64 application binary interface is followed on Linux and other non-Microsoft operating systems. The registers RDI, RSI, RDX, RCX, R8 and R9 are used for integer and pointer arguments while XMM0, XMM1, XMM2, XMM3, XMM4, XMM5, XMM6 and XMM7 are used for floating point arguments. As in the Microsoft x64 calling convention, additiona < 1254519156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l arguments are pushed onto the stack and the return value is stored in RAX." < 1254519158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1254519167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would help if it was actually accurate < 1254519167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it isn't < 1254519198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically. Small structs are also passed in registers < 1254519402 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_style worst wp article ever < 1254519459 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone got into the edit page and thought "I'm going to explain EVERY NUANCE to everyone who reads this article! They'll be so pleased that I've accurately documented the facts and subtleties of every single facet of programming style. Hey, what does it matter if half of them only apply to curly brace languages? What does it matter if I should be describing the basic elements because it's an encyclopedia? Whoopdihey!" < 1254519481 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254519759 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wacom IDE would suck less if it didn't have multiple windows inside windows all over the place. < 1254519762 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Watcom < 1254519771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of the term "an eightbyte"? < 1254519787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to quote AMD64 ABI: < 1254519789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within this specification, the term byte refers to a 8-bit object, the term twobyte < 1254519789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refers to a 16-bit object, the term fourbyte refers to a 32-bit object, the term < 1254519789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eightbyte refers to a 64-bit object, and the term sixteenbyte refers to a 128-bit < 1254519789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :object.1 < 1254519795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite unusual < 1254519816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the 1 there is a footnote btw) < 1254519820 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1254519826 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, my first Win32 program just executed. < 1254519830 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel my soul dripping away. < 1254519834 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, second. < 1254519839 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I executed a nop a few times before that. < 1254519847 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1254519847 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int WINAPI WinMain( < 1254519847 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : HINSTANCE hInstance, < 1254519847 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : HINSTANCE hPrevInstance, < 1254519847 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LPSTR lpCmdLine, < 1254519848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at http://www.html-protector.com/encrypt/sample.html
< 1254519848 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int nCmdShow) < 1254519850 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1254519852 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : MessageBox(NULL, "Hello, world!", "Hello", MB_OK); < 1254519854 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return 0; < 1254519856 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1254519858 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boilerplate stings. < 1254519867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much worse if you want to actually open a window < 1254519878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just sit in the background without an associated window < 1254519880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The Wacom IDE would suck less if it didn't have multiple windows inside windows all over the place. <-- why are you using that one? < 1254519880 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, let the tutorial break the horror into me. < 1254519883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how does it look? < 1254519922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "To display this page you need a browser with JavaScript support."? < 1254519923 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because I'm using Open Watcom, and it looks like it was designed for Windows 3.1. Subwindows up the wazoo, button-style toolbar icons, small (like in Mosaic), the editor/debugger/etc are all different programs, so you have to switch to another big-window-with-subwindows to do things like make and run. < 1254519930 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, all the icons are 16x16, 16-color affairs. < 1254519939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: look at the source < 1254519951 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the editor's status line actually uses black Win 3.1-font (dunno what it's called) upon dark teal. < 1254519955 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rather unreadable. < 1254519970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, they have a bunch of JS on the page that they claim will make it impossible to open the page without a password, or in a "less-restricted" browser like Mozilla < 1254519979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even people who can open the page can't see its HTML, or even retrieve it from cache < 1254519980 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it's convenient; it autoindents, syntax highlights and it also handles writing a build script for me. < 1254519987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like one of those right-click-block scripts on steroids < 1254519991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, seems like a trivial to break encryption? < 1254519994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1254520000 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is good, because these are the commands it executes: < 1254520001 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sec) < 1254520004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so incredibly trivial that I thought people here would be amused by it < 1254520017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it's just url encoding right? < 1254520022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most part < 1254520026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254520028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it is < 1254520029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where the hp_d00 is < 1254520039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval(unescape('%68%70%5F%6F%6B%3D%74%72%75%65%3B%66%75%6E%63%74%69%6F%6E%20%68%70%5F%64%30%30%28%73%29%7B%69%66%28%21%68%70%5F%6F%6B%29%72%65%74%75%72%6E%3B%64%6F%63%75%6D%65%6E%74%2E%77%72%69%74%65%28%73%29%7D')) < 1254520039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254520040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that bit < 1254520055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it defines the hp_d00 function < 1254520056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval(unescape('hp_ok=true;function hp_d00(s){if(!hp_ok)return;document.write(s)}')) < 1254520063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1254520064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran the source of the page through LeetKey < 1254520065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hp_ok? < 1254520066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1254520069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254520069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an underestimated Firefox plugin < 1254520079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does leetkey do? < 1254520089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was originally designed to parse 1337-speak into something more readable < 1254520095 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The reason I'm using the Open Watcom IDE is because it writes the Makefile (or equivalent) to run these commands without me getting near anything nearly as horrifying: < 1254520096 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd C:\Code\Fitts < 1254520096 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wmake -f C:\Code\Fitts\Fitts.mk -h -e C:\Code\Fitts\Fitts.exe < 1254520096 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wcc386 Fitts.c -i="C:\WATCOM/h;C:\WATCOM/h/nt" -w4 -e25 -zq -od -d2 -6r -bt=nt -fo=.obj -mf < 1254520096 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wlink name Fitts d all SYS nt_win op m op maxe=25 op q op symf @Fitts.lk1 < 1254520100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot more filters got added to it over time < 1254520113 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's to compile one trivial C file into a Win32 graphical executable with Open Wacom. < 1254520116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it does things like ROT13ing and URLencode/decoding etc < 1254520120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, why not use MSVC or something? < 1254520131 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1. Windows 95 2. $$$ < 1254520135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "source code thiefs"? < 1254520148 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it means people who INFRINGE THE COPYRIGHT of your code! < 1254520150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, MSDNAA doesn't seem to have such old MSVC < 1254520150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, that should be "thieves", for two, I doubt they really exist in large numbers < 1254520165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, oh I think I may have an old old copy of MSVC++ 6.0 or something < 1254520169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep mentally muddling MSDNAA with MPAA and RIAA < 1254520171 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of "thieves", their site pops up a fake dialog using OS X Tiger's window widgets < 1254520172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably pro < 1254520173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they shouldn't have picked a similar naming scheme < 1254520174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :D < 1254520178 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that, you know, just as illegal? < 1254520185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: who knows < 1254520205 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: was that an offer? I'm not exactly sure MSVC++ will be less horrific than this, but... < 1254520208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Retrieve this page from your cache... It %65xpires IMMEDIATELY!" < 1254520219 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1254520223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why the URLdecode failed there? maybe it was double-encoded in the original... < 1254520233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, it is an entire cd. if I can find it. Slow uplink. So probably not an offer as such < 1254520248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm surprised that they thought of disabling cache (which means your own server gets hammered), but not of people just using view source and URL-decoding it < 1254520250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it would be... you know. ileegal? < 1254520251 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Also, the commands for MSVC++ are probably as horrific. < 1254520253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :illegal* < 1254520254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1254520265 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piracy? illegal? < 1254520265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, first time I've seen a page deliberately coded to /not/ work in Firefox < 1254520266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks at standard compliance < 1254520267 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you. don't. say < 1254520276 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually downloading copyrighted material is legal in sweden iirc < 1254520278 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about uploading < 1254520284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, yeah, it is bleeding edge research I know < 1254520284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254520296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, um uploading is, But not downloading < 1254520296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1254520303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which forbids bittorrent < 1254520307 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's bizarrely backwards < 1254520308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you upload too there < 1254520314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, oh and I think using it is < 1254520320 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is providing copyrighted material legal, but downloading it isn't? < 1254520337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, yep. It's like "selling sex isn't forbidden, buying sex is" < 1254520355 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyrighted content: substitute for sex! < 1254520361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1254520427 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://weichhold.com/wp-content/gallery/misc/vc6_0.png ;; MSVC++ 6 seems to be a little prettier and less cluttered and has the advantage of being in one window < 1254520436 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, I don't need any of that file browser stuff since this thing is one file < 1254520444 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pirating it would probably take decades < 1254520445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how on earth would that site prevent cache and such even on MSIE? < 1254520451 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, eh, why not support FOSS :P < 1254520461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's anti-cache stuff in the headers < 1254520461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, is that open watcom FOSS? < 1254520461 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: set it to be outdated immediately < 1254520474 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the open-sourced continuation of the famous Watcom compiler < 1254520483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, ah < 1254520485 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 2003 < 1254520499 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doom, Descent, Magic Carpet, System Shock, Fast Attack, Atomic Bomberman, and Duke Nukem 3D are among well known games that were compiled with Watcom C.[1] < 1254520502 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be too bad, eh < 1254520507 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt they used the ide though :) < 1254520565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, screenshot of IDE? < 1254520575 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1254520661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the text-based Watcom IDE too; that's the only one I've used. < 1254520715 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot'd; uploading < 1254520733 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really feel the 3.1ness without using it, oh well < 1254520748 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the window decorations and task bar should make you feel the windows 95ness :) < 1254520767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, I only used windows 3.1 once. For a few minutes. < 1254520775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I couldn't ever feel windows3.1-ness < 1254520789 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/v729P.png (the commands at the end of the source file are just me typing out the build log) < 1254520820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, the background picture doesn't look windows-95-ish < 1254520823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1254520833 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's because i set it myself < 1254520843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too large res for it < 1254520844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many colours < 1254520857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, doesn't fit with the environment at ALL < 1254520872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, also it feels 3.1ish. The icons do that is < 1254520877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the three view < 1254520879 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The window decorations are pretty much invisible to me after using them for a while, so everything else is fitting in with the background. < 1254520892 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Green is underrepresented in 95, anyway. < 1254520904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, why do you need green at all? :/ < 1254520938 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice colour. < 1254520967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, /me gets nostalgia for 16-bit programs on win95 < 1254520977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, win95 font rendering < 1254520983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly but very easy to make out the individual characters < 1254520989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so although it was slow to read, it was pretty accurate < 1254521009 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, even XP ships with similar font rendering by default. < 1254521016 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At larger sizes it antialiases them, though. < 1254521017 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But otherwise it's identical. < 1254521057 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full background: http://imgur.com/vVBHr.png I scaled 'n cropped it from a 1680x1050 wallpaper. < 1254521070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: XP is more likely to use truetype fonts than raster ones, though < 1254521073 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically it's a BMP on disk for Windows, but that'd just be too slow to upload and download. < 1254521084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ouch, I remember BMP < 1254521090 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with BMP. < 1254521095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left-to-right, bottom-to-top, uncompressed, and with a weird header format < 1254521100 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay. :P < 1254521100 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, I need a Show Desktop. < 1254521108 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll code one and add it to the top of my start menu. < 1254521108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does start-D work? < 1254521118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember if that worked as far back as win95 < 1254521128 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start, pause, d pops up the Documents menu. < 1254521135 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start+d does nothing. < 1254521136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, chording < 1254521141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1254521145 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start+R and Start, pause, R do the same thing, though. < 1254521147 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bring up Run.) < 1254521155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the top of the start menu is rather a bad place to Fitt at < 1254521159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fitts at < 1254521168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't remember if that worked as far back as win95 <-- the area where it an IE was in was added in 98 iirc < 1254521173 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the target is big vs the system tray or a Programs menu item < 1254521180 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't need to access it all that often < 1254521193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, why can't you mix and match the best bits of different Windows versions? < 1254521201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still nostalgic for Program Manager
< 1254521203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is "start"? < 1254521205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the windows key? < 1254521209 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254521210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254521212 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Program Manager works on 95. < 1254521212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, super < 1254521213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254521216 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it earlier. < 1254521216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: I know < 1254521228 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of weird, because right clicks and such do nothing. < 1254521231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't load on boot < 1254521238 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you so can mix and match the best bits of different Windows versions. < 1254521247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, did the right mouse button do anything in win3.1? < 1254521252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except during the mouse tutorial/ < 1254521256 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, NT 4.0 is a rock solid OS with 95's UI, except the UI is buggy. < 1254521267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's kind of weird, because right clicks and such do nothing. <-- huh?? < 1254521273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember it was win-M in 95. < 1254521276 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could replace a good chunk of the UI straight from 95, thus getting 95-minus-meddling-plus-stability-and-sanity. < 1254521277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "minimize all windows". < 1254521284 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. < 1254521286 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 fizzie < 1254521287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : except during the mouse tutorial/ <-- what tutorial? < 1254521288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Program Manager doesn't react to right-clicks < 1254521296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Windows 3.1 had a mouse tutorial < 1254521299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1254521304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because mice were new, and you didn't know how to use them < 1254521315 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think you were here when we linked to the youtube clip containing the mouse tutorial. < 1254521321 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, let's think... NT 4.0 + 95 replacement GUI parts... well, that should be able to run 2000/XP programs without too much hacking < 1254521322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what was it like though? < 1254521324 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most 95 ones < 1254521330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe my client was < 1254521331 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No games, though; it has anemic DirectX support. < 1254521336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to grep logs on cs < 1254521336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to start with, you had to hover some polygons with numbers in < 1254521338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd* < 1254521338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then click < 1254521345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then double-click, and drag, etc < 1254521353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and near the end there was a dialog box with lots of useless controls < 1254521365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how were you supposed to open this tutorial to begin with? :D < 1254521377 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, a good subset of 95+2000 apps if you're willing to do hackery, a rock solid kernel, 95's UI (plus any additions you want as long as they play fine with NT)... < 1254521385 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like you can basically mix and match windows versions. < 1254521385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJhG-uds0-o has the win3.1 mouse tutorial; I remember that; it's the awesome, it's like this skill test "click here" "click there" "wow!" < 1254521395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know, for all I know it was shown on first boot < 1254521402 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. < 1254521403 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1254521410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually can't remember a computer without a mouse < 1254521418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is due to growing up in a mac family < 1254521427 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with mice < 1254521428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that old apple classic had a mouse < 1254521434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first computer was a BBC Micro B, which didn't have a mouse < 1254521445 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if Flash 10 wants to install on Windows 95, attempt two??? < 1254521445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it had a floppy disk drive, rather than the more usual tape < 1254521447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but you are old ;P < 1254521453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that old < 1254521455 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically as old as the dinosaurs! < 1254521466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were old, it would have been punched cards or paper tape < 1254521468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wires < 1254521478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or paper wires, or punched wires. < 1254521483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if that idioms exists in English
< 1254521491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wet behind the ears" < 1254521497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for someone young and inexperienced < 1254521508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254521514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so not just a Swedish idiom then < 1254521533 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Flash 9 is the latest for 98/ME; let's hope it'll pretend I'm 95. < 1254521547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It exists also in Finnish, except it's just "märkäkorva", lit. translated as "wet-ear". < 1254521562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah but Finnish is strange :P < 1254521566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw we should ask oerjan < 1254521572 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported operating system nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1254521573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you remember punch cards? < 1254521574 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu < 1254521577 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfjkgnklsgjljgjklsdf < 1254521578 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem < 1254521581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, flash 7 or 8? < 1254521597 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash 9, which is one behind the latest version < 1254521601 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see if flash 9 does 95. < 1254521602 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1254521605 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see if flash 8 does 95. < 1254521610 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think youtube uses flash 9 these days... < 1254521620 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOSE 98 USERS GET ALL THE CHICKS^WYOUTUBE < 1254521622 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and us 95ers < 1254521623 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all alone < 1254521625 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold < 1254521627 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weary < 1254521632 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without rick astley < 1254521643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: In a sensible operating system like DOS, you'd have the built-in "setver" command to change the version information reported to programs, and so would be able to fake it. < 1254521648 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sniff
< 1254521669 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd bet about 30% on being able to use setver with Windows. < 1254521685 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, setver is for every executable < 1254521689 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... setvar win.exe? :D < 1254521709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll still only affect the MS-DOS version number, is my guess. < 1254521724 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'aww. < 1254521742 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a different numbering there, after all. < 1254521760 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it was already at dos 7 in win95. < 1254521783 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs flashp8
< 1254521783 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flicker < 1254521784 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1254521789 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read something about seamonkey < 1254521794 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that dialog < 1254521796 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1254521801 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL < 1254521802 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to investigate < 1254521807 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows. cursor. tutorial CLICK < 1254521825 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. < 1254521829 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE IF I'D RESTART IT. < 1254521864 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After installing the plugin, click here." Big box. < 1254521878 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opens the swf in a popup. < 1254521878 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1254521917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird95: In a sensible operating system like DOS, you'd have the built-in "setver" command to change the version information reported to programs, and so would be able to fake it. <-- sensible? < 1254521929 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoosh < 1254521944 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254521951 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no flash player 8 uninstaller. < 1254521970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, oh? < 1254521978 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it wasn't wrapped ina proper installer < 1254521978 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO < 1254521982 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess oldversion are peddling in < 1254521982 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1254521985 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peddlable goods < 1254521990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1254521993 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are not the full... bodied... legitimacy of a full installer. < 1254521995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles that
< 1254521996 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extracted, as it were. < 1254522006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No definitions were found for peddlable. < 1254522010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1254522022 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thusly, it may be so that lacking their surrounding installer framework, instead being a lowly detect-browser-and-copy < 1254522035 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they neglected to set up such uninstallable facilities, for my enjoyment, esquire, poppycock, cheesecake. < 1254522036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: define:peddleable No definitions were found for peddleable. < 1254522037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254522039 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND < 1254522039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no help either < 1254522040 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THUS < 1254522047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, so what did that word mean? < 1254522058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Able to be peddled, I would guess, even without an official definition. < 1254522068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is "peddled" then < 1254522069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254522082 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::iiam: < 1254522085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A peddler, in British English pedlar, also known as a canvasser, cheapjack, monger, or solicitor (with negative connotations since the 16th ..." < 1254522087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1254522109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"solicitor"? some sort of lawyer? < 1254522111 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::iiaamif: < 1254522123 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"S: (v) peddle, monger, huckster, hawk, vend, pitch (sell or offer for sale from place to place)" < 1254522126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wordnet) < 1254522130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1254522174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're not "selling" in a strictly literal sense, but anyway. < 1254522185 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var swfUrl = canPlayV9Swf() < 1254522187 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :version nine only < 1254522196 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube on windows 95 = impossible < 1254522197 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAD :( < 1254522218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internets have some uses of "peddlable" in the "can be done with a pedal" sense too, but I doubt that's it. < 1254522265 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even flash 8 doesn't work on 95 < 1254522266 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woe < 1254522266 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1254522269 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :betide < 1254522270 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unto < 1254522270 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1254522274 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1254522306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought: does Wine run on Windows 95? < 1254522311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did DS work? < 1254522314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use it to run more recent Windows programs on older versions < 1254522359 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254522359 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254522359 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254522359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254522359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254522360 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254522360 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254522361 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254522362 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254522365 0 :mtve!n=nmtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254522373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would WINE run on Windows? < 1254522378 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-124-89.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254522378 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-095-032.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1254522378 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254522378 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254522378 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1254522378 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1254522378 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-95-188.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254522378 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1254522384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Wine run on Windows at all? < 1254522392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm < 1254522395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wouldn't make sense < 1254522400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that is some bad lag < 1254522402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 seconds < 1254522407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well down to 0.3 now < 1254522407 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINE runs on Cygwin. < 1254522414 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Cygwin 1.5 supports 95. < 1254522415 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really now. < 1254522420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, Wine compiles under Cygwin but doesn't run there? < 1254522421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: For the lulz, I guess. < 1254522424 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs there. < 1254522430 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine and cygwin both run under each other < 1254522432 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCLinuxOS looks very attractive < 1254522435 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pclinuxos is shit < 1254522436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we seem to be on the small side ofa netsplit < 1254522439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could use colinux first < 1254522439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then wine < 1254522447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's just that Cygwin no longer runs on Windows 95. < 1254522447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not on windows 9x < 1254522451 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, it's based on mandriva, which is basically the archetypical bad linux distro < 1254522453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much only xp iirc < 1254522461 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second, it's less popular than mandriva so doesn't even have the community < 1254522461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about newer windows versions < 1254522462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately: you could maybe just use the Wine DLLs on Win 95. < 1254522462 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCLinuxOS : Linux :: Windows Vista : Windows ? < 1254522470 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third, it offers nothing even over mandriva < 1254522477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1254522478 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conclusion, it's the only possible way to make mandriva worse :P < 1254522494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programs run better under Wine then under native Windows < 1254522509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get PCLinuxOS styles for Ubuntu? < 1254522516 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they're just kde styles. < 1254522519 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no. < 1254522528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have KDE on this Ubuntu system < 1254522533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When KDE works well on Ubuntu, I'll try it < 1254522539 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have kubuntu, presumably, ais523 < 1254522542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I tried, things were crashtastic < 1254522543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254522543 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, kubuntu-dekstop < 1254522545 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*desktop < 1254522547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1254522556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have most of its dependencies, but not the package itself < 1254522558 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the packages come from kubuntu, anyway < 1254522570 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't think that system running that kde is really not-kubuntu < 1254522579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge_Unshackled is linked from Wikipedia < 1254522587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with Mandriva ? < 1254522595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: looks like your creation is getting attention < 1254522608 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: firstly, it's over-commercialised < 1254522611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, we seem to be on the small side ofa netsplit < 1254522612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1254522612 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1254522614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are back < 1254522614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254522622 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus mostly based around their company and the branding mandriva < 1254522631 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seconldy < 1254522632 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*secondly < 1254522633 0 :Guest19311!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cerise < 1254522634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1254522637 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody who knows linux uses mandriva < 1254522640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a bit it was just me and pikhq < 1254522642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But PCLinuxOS presumably doesn't inherit commercialization from Mandriva < 1254522642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "were" not "are" < 1254522646 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirdly, its desktop is basically juts kde 4 < 1254522648 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the damn point < 1254522651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, when you said that you had been back for over a minute < 1254522652 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just yet another crappy distro < 1254522663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: coming back from the netsplit made me lag < 1254522667 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: considering pclinuxos = mandriva with a different logo, sure it does. < 1254522670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1254522673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because I was in #nethack at the time and there were hundreds of join messages to send < 1254522692 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question isn't what's wrong with mandriva although it can certainly be answered, the question is what on earth does it have over ubuntu? < 1254522694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the official Wiki, it doesn't work for many values of "work": http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows < 1254522696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know how it is after a netsplit < 1254522706 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, looking sexy out of the box? < 1254522706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often you end up splitting due to full queues < 1254522710 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu has a huge, huge, HUGE community, is making advances in usability, ... < 1254522713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the *server send* side < 1254522720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very annoying < 1254522731 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I guess you just sit at your computer drooling all day instead of using it, but FWIW 9.10's default theme is appealing. < 1254522752 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Mandriva doesn't even use yum. < 1254522759 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's gotta hurt. < 1254522772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what package manager? < 1254522776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw RPM, somehow? < 1254522786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, that made as much sense to me as "Debian doesn't even use rpm" < 1254522803 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: their very own wrapper over rpm < 1254522804 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I guess yum is a thingy that works over rpm? That makes more sense < 1254522806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : According to the official Wiki, it doesn't work for many values of "work": http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows <-- why are some of the UI elements on there translated to Swedish for me??? < 1254522817 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: moinmoin does that. < 1254522830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that explains it < 1254522833 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(moinmoin, n. means "shitty wiki software" in hawaiian) < 1254522834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like two ones < 1254522848 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the word "moin", "shitty", and the word "moin", "wiki software". < 1254522859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sök" and "Innehåll" oh and a third one: "senast redigerad < 1254522860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1254522862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1254522866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are: < 1254522882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search, TOC and "last edited" < 1254522951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, do you remember punch cards? <-- i vaguely recall there may have been some in the telecom building where my dad worked/works, back in the late 70s/early 80s. < 1254522962 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would not call Clue (as well as Self BCT) a language, rather a machine with a complex behavior." --Oleg on a language just as valid as BCT < 1254522974 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg should really shut up when he doesn't know what he's talking about... < 1254523046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is this "oleg"? Sure I seen the name elsewhere < 1254523053 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that oleg. < 1254523056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some other idiot context < 1254523063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, what "oleg"? < 1254523063 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg 1 is on the esolang wiki < 1254523074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg being an anagram for lego? < 1254523080 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg 2 is the uber-master-god of type systems, scheme, haskell and ocaml and he is smarter than you, full stop < 1254523092 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg 2 is of http://okmij.org/ftp/ < 1254523101 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is awesome. < 1254523109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, and which of these ie the oleg that should shut up? < 1254523112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oleg 1? < 1254523115 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1254523165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yay < 1254523181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa this is some good music that was added to wesnoth since last I checked (about a month or two ago= < 1254523183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg 2's code makes my head hurt < 1254523184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/)/ < 1254523206 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg should change his name to that, Oleg 2 < 1254523212 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cyberpunk. < 1254523218 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone gave me a command to download the Wesnoth music some time ago, but I forgot it :( < 1254523253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, svn co http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk/data/core/music < 1254523264 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1254523275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is listening to "northern_mountains.ogg" atm
< 1254523276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really great < 1254523292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably ehird95 wouldn't like it < 1254523305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some Windows SVN thingy installed, so I'll just use that < 1254523355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it may take some time. the whole checkout dir is 245 MB. So half of that size need to be download (yeah svn doesn't even store the pristine copies compressed or anything...) < 1254523358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this thing telling me 0 Bytes/sec < 1254523377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go < 1254523399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often do they add music? < 1254523406 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every second. < 1254523414 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does enigma work in 9x? < 1254523417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, varies. sometimes a few months, sometimes three in a single week < 1254523422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: I don't know < 1254523445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"windows 95 and later", according to the website < 1254523449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, anyway, it grows overall slowly < 1254523460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try http://download.berlios.de/enigma-game/Enigma-1.01.exe < 1254523465 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The operating system I currently use on my primary computer is Windows 95 OSR2. Furthermore, not only do I use Windows 95 extensively, but I prefer it to Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP, and Vista." < 1254523471 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that makes 2 to 4 of them. < 1254523472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, berlios eww < 1254523488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, "them"? < 1254523488 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy, these people. < 1254523490 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun, but crazy. < 1254523491 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can Win98 be better than Win95? < 1254523496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's where it's hosted, do you want me to magic it somewhere else? < 1254523497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, other way < 1254523505 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The same way 98 can be better than ME. < 1254523506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can 95 be better than 98 in anyone's eyes? < 1254523511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no of course not < 1254523513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only good thing about Windows 98 compared to 95 is USB support < 1254523515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, that is a big one < 1254523519 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 replaced the beautiful, usable 95 Explorer with 98's bloated shitfest IEcrap explorer < 1254523526 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :added a bunch of unstable IE ""integration"" < 1254523530 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb support < 1254523530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did windows95 even support usb at all? < 1254523531 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else < 1254523535 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get usb support for win95 < 1254523536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1254523540 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a simple double-click away < 1254523543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: ah, I didn't know that < 1254523543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, external drivers? < 1254523547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly wasn't out-of-the-box < 1254523550 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tons of drivers, yeah < 1254523552 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple to install < 1254523562 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, AnMaster: them = people who use Windows 95 as a main OS and aren't hermits < 1254523565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, doubt it would be very well integrated? < 1254523567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in Win 95B. < 1254523573 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's integrated just fine < 1254523580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, able to handle all device classes and such < 1254523582 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 95B is with the stupid IE Explorer-replacement iirc < 1254523587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if anyone still uses Win3.1 as a primary OS
< 1254523588 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSR 2.5 did that < 1254523589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: Yes. < 1254523591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, replacement? < 1254523593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1254523595 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSR 2 is the last real 95 < 1254523597 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: think 98's < 1254523600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254523600 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98's explorer = IE < 1254523604 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95's explorer = <3 < 1254523612 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSR 2.5 = IE explorer = not really 95 any more < 1254523617 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that berlios isn't loading < 1254523626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: ugh < 1254523638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: that berlios isn't loading <-- guess why I said "eww" about berlios? < 1254523640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try navigating from the directory? < 1254523643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supertux used to be hosted there < 1254523647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how horrible it is < 1254523654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of downtime too < 1254523659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how good is supertux? < 1254523670 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supertux is a fairly sundry mario clone < 1254523676 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice if you like mario clones. < 1254523681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? try it yourself. Not really working active on it any more < 1254523689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm sorry but the printf function doesn't except YouTube videos as input. < 1254523695 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat < 1254523702 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nice thing about Windows 95 is that you can run it wonderfully without any IE at all < 1254523705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just picking a random comment out of context < 1254523716 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't use .chms, sure, but how many are there in 95? Barely any. You can't use Outlook, thank god. < 1254523727 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But everything else just works, including modern Word versions. < 1254523731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some custom very messy USB drivers in addition to the OSR 2 USB support. And I think that didn't include mass storage support by default, you had to use a third-party generic-enough driver for that. Could be wrong, though. < 1254523743 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, what about DS? < 1254523767 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Docking station? It requires IE, I believe, although the DLLs I might still have from that stupid IE 4 installation I tried might still be there. < 1254523768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1254523769 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: despite sleeping in to 5:16. < 1254523769 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link me up, scotty. < 1254523789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, you need another link to DS? < 1254523792 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1254523798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, berlios indeed seems to be down atm < 1254523808 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does work, then it's just a matter of putting the relevant IE 4 DLL next to DS (so you don't have IE 4 crap in your system). < 1254523815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me to slap everyone who works for Wikia < 1254523826 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo < 1254523828 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gamewaredevelopment.co.uk/ds/ds_more.php?id=552_0_16_0_C < 1254523830 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slap everyone who works for wikia < 1254523865 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seamonkey illegal operation shutdown awesome! < 1254523867 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a first. < 1254523889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's #esoteric's opinion on Wikia, by the way < 1254523894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to know whether to like it or hate it < 1254523897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm sorry but the printf function doesn't except YouTube videos as input. <-- context please < 1254523923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: someone making the hello world a link to a youtube video when publishing a hello world on a website < 1254523933 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wikia are, simply, evil < 1254523937 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the Creatures wiki's opinion is hate it. They added junk to outgoing links, forcing most wikis to use a certain ad-filled theme < 1254523939 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1254523940 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 < 1254523960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :junk to outgoing links? < 1254523967 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And took the creatureswiki.com domain name for themselves < 1254523974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ugh, berlios indeed seems to be down atm <-- as usual < 1254523981 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wikia, for instance, fragment communities that want to split off because of their insistence on having about 5 ads per page (I'm not exaggerating) and forcing you to use the new, unusable Monaco theme. They say they want to split off, Wikia say: "You have fun. We won't have any links to you and we'll keep the wikia going." < 1254523993 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And, that whole thing with the snatching creatureswiki.com and holding it from them. < 1254523995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah http://monitor.berlios.de/berlios-status/ < 1254524000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you know how some websites have a redirect thing? They do that, so they can display ads when someone goes to an outbound link < 1254524003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice status monitor < 1254524003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: I know that Wikia is one of the few sites that I cannot cope with visiting with Epiphany < 1254524006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need AdBlock < 1254524006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish sf.net had it < 1254524017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to bear to look at the thing < 1254524018 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikia are one of the shittiest companies in existence; they have no empathy. < 1254524022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ads are really obnoxious < 1254524023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with berlios you can at least know that there are stuff that is brken < 1254524025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken* < 1254524030 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they could be opaque about their evil-for-profit like Microsot. < 1254524049 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com < 1254524054 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1254524062 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sourceforge.net < 1254524064 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bookmark it :P < 1254524067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1254524086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, doesn't work. Maybe javascript? < 1254524091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ehird95 gave a very good explanation of what wikia's doing < 1254524100 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The front page uses JS. < 1254524105 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inner pages don't. < 1254524107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254524109 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just append the domain to the URL. < 1254524140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, anyway doesn't help to answer "is svn on foo down"? or "is ssh down"? < 1254524144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: that is a good site, although with an annoyingly long domain name < 1254524151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried about:blank with it, though, and it got confused < 1254524163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it tried to URL-encode the colon < 1254524164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which for the only berlios site that is *NEVER* down, is rather nicely displayed on http://monitor.berlios.de/berlios-status/ < 1254524169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then said it didn't look like a website < 1254524195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, edge case... < 1254524204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not an important one at all < 1254524205 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, calling out ais523 for reporting on an edge case failure < 1254524209 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calling it not important WHAT < 1254524212 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THIS UNIVERSE < 1254524215 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is scary and new to me < 1254524220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is rather out-of-character for AnMaster... < 1254524222 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE REAL ANMASTER?! < 1254524226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, of course there are important edge cases too < 1254524233 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you an abducting alien or something?! < 1254524234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is just plain silly < 1254524237 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give him back! < 1254524240 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually, keep him. < 1254524243 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get used to this. < 1254524244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it fits nicely with this channel kind of < 1254524265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop making my laugh so loud that I wake up people sleeping in the next room! < 1254524267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254524268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds a {{fact}} tag to wp's Malbolge article
< 1254524280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why? < 1254524325 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: me making you laugh? < 1254524330 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you're *definitely* not AnMaster < 1254524337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, ais too < 1254524343 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but that's not odd < 1254524365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95 and yes, why did you turn funny suddenly < 1254524377 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254524383 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we all been abducted < 1254524384 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, like < 1254524385 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're aliens < 1254524390 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we abducted people in here < 1254524394 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I abducted ehird95, for instance < 1254524399 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we wiped our brains to make us think we're them < 1254524414 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of no other simpler explanation. Occam's razor, I win. < 1254524456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm acting in-character for me < 1254524464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may be wrong, of course < 1254524469 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we had to put in a joke for ourselves, naturally < 1254524480 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes perfect sense; what's the point of being just bewildered? < 1254524487 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we've never been amused before and this was the only way we had a chance. < 1254524525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, this is rather in-character of you now ehird95 < 1254524530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of ehird at least < 1254524535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the 95 bit < 1254524551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the occasional "weird OS" is normal for you < 1254524552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd ask if I'm acting in-character, but the question itself would be in-character < 1254524562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, :D < 1254524572 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: :D < 1254524578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was actually rather funny < 1254524582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusually so for you < 1254524598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also unusually insightful < 1254524623 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he is usually pretty outsightful < 1254524638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would say: By not asking, and observing that, you are not atcing in-character < 1254524646 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain hurts. < 1254524648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because i would very much like someone to provide a citation for it ;) < 1254524652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, why? < 1254524657 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS TOO CONFUSING :P < 1254524665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, citation for what? < 1254524672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that < 1254524673 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1254524674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far up there < 1254524676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254524697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, ok that is not normal behaviour for you when things are too confusing. < 1254524698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254524741 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254524766 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sad thing is, I wasn't intending to be funny. I really was considering asking < 1254524800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why there is no TCO label on my notebook. There is on my desktop monitor and some other stuff like my keyboard < 1254524824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading irc in spurts, so answers are a bit delayed
< 1254524825 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can think of when I see "TC0" is "THAC0" < 1254524832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total cost of ownership? < 1254524841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCO_Certification < 1254524847 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading irc without thinking, so answers are a bit incomprehensible
< 1254524857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost *every* computer monitor have one of those stickers < 1254524857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, misreading O and 0 < 1254524860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofog: that's banana! < 1254524860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I have seen < 1254524861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sure, you can get a nice free keyboard from a shady open-source hardware dealer now. BUT AT WHAT COST?" < 1254524871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh? < 1254524876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: FUD parody < 1254524881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh? < 1254524902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up on trying to explain
< 1254524907 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I actually understand what ais523 is saying < 1254524909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95 probably knows what I mean < 1254524911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not me < 1254524915 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads about nonmeasurable sets
< 1254524918 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure AnMaster is the only person going eh right now < 1254524919 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-101-168.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1254524928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, "huh" < 1254524951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 gives up on trying to explain <-- stop being ehird < 1254524960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really out of character for you < 1254524967 0 :mycrofti1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1254524969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofog: nonmeasurable sets are vitali important < 1254524971 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with all the characters < 1254524972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oklofog reads about nonmeasurable sets <-- ooh interesting < 1254524972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1254524981 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that a pun? < 1254524988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely reminds me of a seminar I had recently < 1254524996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well what FUD was you parodying < 1254524997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone was talking about brute-forcing infinite problems in finite time < 1254525001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1254525014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically, the theory is that if you install Linux now it'll cost you more later, in things like training costs < 1254525014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofog: you will have to read your homework to find out < 1254525015 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i need to find an example of two sets A<=R, B<=R s.t. m*(A \union B) < m*(A) + m*(B) < 1254525023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and come to more than the cost of Windows altogether < 1254525028 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reading is just so i can do that < 1254525029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah. What has it got to do with hardware? < 1254525049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway are you seriously suggesting you never heard about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCO_Certification? < 1254525056 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have read it well enough to'd remember if there were such a term :\ < 1254525061 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't heard of it until now
< 1254525062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it hasn't, that was the joke < 1254525065 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you like my use of "would" < 1254525071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you missed the joke because you missed the thing it was referencing < 1254525079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh ok. don't see why the joke was funny < 1254525080 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought you gave up < 1254525085 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if there was such a term, in the material < 1254525098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: I ungave up after you encouraged me < 1254525106 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254525107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, a joke that depends on a reference you don't know will never be funny < 1254525107 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1254525110 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't encouraging you < 1254525112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the explanation would ruin it < 1254525118 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually it is mentioned < 1254525137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1254525147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : because the explanation would ruin it <-- jokes explained explained < 1254525159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that goes far the other way < 1254525177 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just a small note at the beginning of the theorem < 1254525253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/singles/jokes_explained_explained_explained_explained.php < 1254525268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, same level as last I looked then < 1254525309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you read the mezzacotta blog, obviously... < 1254525311 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders... 2000 is nt just like nt 4, and nt 4 can run 95 stuff including a good portion of the explorer-type stuff
< 1254525314 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1254525329 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have the software support of 2000 with the 95 gui, almost :D < 1254525335 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyword almost... < 1254525350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well if you read the mezzacotta blog, obviously... <-- no I don't < 1254525386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the mezzacotta main page isn't very interesting most days < 1254525404 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Dangerous Symphony" would be a good name for an SCP < 1254525408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, I remember when "software support of 2000" was sucky relative 9x < 1254525414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse nowdays < 1254525425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's the name of one of the Battle for Wesnoth background musics, IIRC < 1254525432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, scp? secure copy? < 1254525435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, it is < 1254525438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1254525443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com < 1254525443 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically R/Q < 1254525448 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have it < 1254525456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I can't decide whether Wikidot or Wikia is worse < 1254525458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R/Q + axiom of choice < 1254525467 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wikidot just suck hard, they aren't actively evil < 1254525473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered about that "The Dangerous Symphony" < 1254525473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange name < 1254525477 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Still, XP is where it's at for software support with an even vaguely NT 4-ish system; Chrome doesn't officially support 2000, for instance (though it works if you do an offline install). < 1254525483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: the fake-toolbar thing is pretty actively evil < 1254525486 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But XP+95 shell sounds very unlikely to work properly. < 1254525489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the close box on it? < 1254525490 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's used implicitly here... < 1254525491 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's just incompetent < 1254525497 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1254525499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you want to restrict it to unit interval, so (R/Z)/(Q/Z) might be more accurate < 1254525506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: the terms of service ban using CSS or anything like that to remove it < 1254525509 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're not being manipulative sociopaths to lock people in, and forcing them to put 70 ads on one page, and locking them into one theme < 1254525511 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course AoC < 1254525518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there's a close box? < 1254525519 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're not trying to basically take people's wikis away from them < 1254525524 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just incompetent and bad at marketing < 1254525527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird95: the fake-toolbar thing is pretty actively evil <--- what one? < 1254525536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it doesn't work < 1254525538 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, go to any wikidot wiki (like the scp-wiki) < 1254525555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, it's a link trying to get you to buy a paid account in order to hide the toolbar < 1254525555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't even SEE a close box < 1254525559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, hm? < 1254525560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top-right < 1254525564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on it < 1254525564 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or you could just use an intersection < 1254525571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see anything weird < 1254525576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from the whole scp wiki < 1254525579 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for the axiom of choice thing < 1254525585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the individual pages in it (such as the history pages and what-links-heres) are unlikable < 1254525587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, the very top of the page. Scroll down a bit < 1254525588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unlinkable < 1254525588 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:59] can't see anything weird < 1254525588 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:00] well apart from the whole scp wiki < 1254525588 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254525599 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe, i'm not actually reading, too tired for that, more like tasting the proof < 1254525608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, yeah I remember seeing before. < 1254525620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, "unlikable" is also correct < 1254525620 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read it once already, but usually takes a few reads for measure theory to sink in < 1254525620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster, the very top of the page. Scroll down a bit <-- hm? nothing unusual? < 1254525628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I'm using links2 btw < 1254525630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for browser < 1254525637 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..that might explain it < 1254525654 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did that intentionally. < 1254525661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I can try lynx or w3m too < 1254525665 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also i am closely following in your footsteps, was the only one to get homework problems 1 & 2 done1 < 1254525666 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1254525672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you want booooooring why not konqueror? < 1254525678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not about to start firefox < 1254525691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine it would show in konqueror < 1254525695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches Microsoft's Get The Facts video thing
< 1254525717 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suppose i might be following even closer if i was actually interested in the nondiscrete stuff < 1254525771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1254525792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"append fail count to end of command line (/fail=%1%) < 1254525794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1254525808 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1254525810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow is that an inflexible API < 1254525813 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microscript? < 1254525824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some auto-run-program-on-service-error thing < 1254525831 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1254525847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yeah it does < 1254525858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very off colour from the rest of the browser < 1254525860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to explain why IIS is more reliable than CentOS 5.0 < 1254525862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so doesn't really look irritating or such < 1254525876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means Apache, they said the OS rather than the app by mistake < 1254525878 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikidot toolbar doesn't annoy me < 1254525880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I see the Close toolbar button now < 1254525893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no close button here < 1254525894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in knoq < 1254525897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konq* < 1254525898 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see it :D < 1254525902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, go to another page < 1254525906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: that's against the terms of service < 1254525913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1254525917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a ridiculous rule < 1254525919 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, maybe you need to be logged in < 1254525919 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254525923 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is against the tos < 1254525923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes I'm on another one. Be aware of that javascript is turned off. < 1254525925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely < 1254525928 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see any close button < 1254525930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in konq < 1254525941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: doing something to your browser to hide the toolabr < 1254525945 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't < 1254525945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95, are you logged into Wikidot? < 1254525947 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254525954 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screeny? < 1254525956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, nor am I of course < 1254525973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have an account there < 1254525993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, they're trying to administer CentOS through the GUI? < 1254526030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/2HLgi.png < 1254526058 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's obnoxious about it < 1254526058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's better < 1254526060 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the big deal. < 1254526068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're showing a pretty clear config file < 1254526079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: breaks standard UI habit < 1254526083 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1254526085 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says who < 1254526086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that, I normally aim for the bottom toolbar < 1254526096 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1254526096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding another one confuses me and I have to slow down < 1254526101 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom toolbar < 1254526101 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254526110 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254526119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: as in, whichever toolbar is lowest on the screen < 1254526128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm trained to look for the edges of client areas < 1254526224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab bar, for instanec < 1254526233 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody puts tab bars on the bottom < 1254526235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it harder to click on the tab bar is not a good thing < 1254526237 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of their browser < 1254526239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird95: I do < 1254526246 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the wikidot toolbar is at the top < 1254526248 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the bottom < 1254526251 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can it slow you down < 1254526256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, lowest out of the things on top < 1254526260 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254526266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to hit the bottom toolbar of 3 than the third of 4 < 1254526268 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, it looks nothing like a toolbar. < 1254526272 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like web page content. < 1254526293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's toolbarish enough to fool my reflexes < 1254526678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254526817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tab bars on the bottom" made me think of http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/images/mlstab.gif < 1254526838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are you trying to blind us all? < 1254526873 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, time to night. < 1254526877 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1254526898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Okay, next time I try to remember to use http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/images/tcpip2.gif which is easier on the eyes, at least as far as colors go. < 1254526926 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's trying to poison us with uglyui-poison < 1254526942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I -- http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/images/mewtab.gif -- do such a thing? < 1254527161 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1254527213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1254527255 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've just thought of the first troll linux distro. < 1254527460 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how dinky the 95 start menu is < 1254527477 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is it just me, or is the fact I'm abbreviating it to 95 signalling that my brain really likes this thing? < 1254527743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a non-free OS, not a number!" < 1254527760 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254527783 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has embarrasingly not seen the prisoner.
< 1254527800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't either. like with 99% of all other memes he passes on
< 1254527862 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises something
< 1254527876 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I have been putting in people's web logs that i'm using windows 95 :D < 1254527897 0 :ehird95!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure all the statistics-gatherers will go "wtf" when they see that 1 figure, then pass it off as a forged one